Exalted

[bleak hazel]

there's a couple of fun new ones, like the crippling injury charm, but most of it is mirrors

Abyssal Thrown had to do the whole tree over again and it's a banger

[winged swallow]

Abyssal Thrown FUCKS HARD

[velvet raft]

And honestly I don't know how to do EIT without Supernal working the way it does or some other weird way

But I love it :(

This is my son, he has no bones and every disease

[prisma sun]

Do Abyssals get supernatural

Supernal

How does that work

[winged swallow]

Apocalyptic

[velvet raft]

By a different name

[prisma sun]

Is there any fun cool capstone for Abyssal Crafting

[winged swallow]

i'll be real, i don't think the absolute coolest part of a tree should be its capstone. i think enticing people to blow everything just to get the cool thing at the end, and then never have anymore progression in that tree over the course of a game or skill in other areas, is kinda bad tbh.

[winged swallow]

Oh Yes

Have You Ever Wanted To Be Sauron

several charms in Abyssal Craft enable you in this respect

not just the capstone

Soul-Tarnishing Treasures is Craft 5, Essence 3, and lets you embed a compulsion within something you make that then affects whoever uses/wears that thing

like a sword that craves violence

or a chalice that encourages drinking to excess

its prereq (Five-Fold Malice Curse) is Essence 2, and lets you make cursed items

said curses activate depending on your choice of a condition

[prisma sun]

Ah evil curses and hexes

Very good

[winged swallow]

you can embed a Defining Intimacy into a sword, and if the wielder goes against it

Curse Pops Up

[bleak hazel]

it's also just a really strong craft tree in general

[winged swallow]

yeah

Solar Tier without any of the Solar fuckor

[prisma sun]

Waking keeps putting curses of "I will maintain this demense faithfully" on all the shit he makes

[bleak hazel]

my only complaint is that the cool gollumizing charms are locked behind a couple of irritating number crunchers

otherwise very slick

[winged swallow]

abyssals certainly keeps a nice amount of balance between "this boosts your numbers" and "this does cool shit"

[bleak hazel]

also I must just say that the Skullstone writeup in the Abyssal book is amazing

there's a shattered underworld continent webbed by rivers under the West, and my Moonshadow is planning to change Skullstone's policy there from raiding and looting to outright conquest to secure rivers between his good shadowlands so he can undercut the Guild with good and consistent trade routes

digging canals through Underworld Panama with legions of zombies and hiring a Lunar and his horde to storm the citadels of the Hexarchs like a Space Marine Legion in the opening of Horus Heresy

I have so much stuff to do

I'm also evil as hell but hey, it says "Deathknight" on the door

[merry arch]

ougghh good, yes. i have a bastard skullstone bureaucrat moonshadow as well. we love conquest, trade and colonization in the courts of the silver prince folks.

[bleak hazel]

it is just the Moonshadow Party Location

Crimson Rain Augurs Fell Tidings is setting up his own capital on the Grey Shores, a shadowland-island a couple of thousand KM south of Skullstone

going to build a giant manse on the demense there and start holding cultivation auctions

[prisma sun]

Can any splat make cultivation boluses?

[winged swallow]

boluses?

[prisma sun]

Drugs that make you more powerful

[bleak hazel]

lunars can feed people their blood to give them mutations, otherwise no

alchemy is not well provided for

I did cultivation-alchemy as two-dot or three-dot artifact projects that produced consumable pills - no attunement cost, but they unlock exactly one evocation

[prisma sun]

That's probably a good way to do it

[bleak hazel]

so you can find a bunch of rare reagents and cook up a cool cultivation technique, but no artifact stats for you

[tulip folio]

You can do alchemy pretty well if you wanna be a sorcerer

Cool enough cultivation alchemy can teach you Terrestial Sorcery.

[prisma sun]

Can you?

There's no real buff spells

Besides iron skin

[tulip folio]

No, I mean one of the sorcerous initiations is literally internal cultivation alchemy + drugs

[prisma sun]

Oh dope

Which one is it?

[tulip folio]

Soul-Perfecting Elixir

Corebook, page 169

[velvet raft]

It is fairly mundane by cultivator standards

But that's just part of Exalted's conceit

[prisma sun]

Might this Abyssal be the first time I'm compelled to make a sorcerer

I wonder if there's any good Blacksmithing artifacts

Guy keeps summoning demons to protect the things he fixes so other agents of the Deathlords can come get them, does not give any way for the demons to identify friend from foe

keeps getting agents killed as a result

[prisma sun]

Never saw the Shadow Amulet

That's hilarious

"Hey shitass"

[velvet raft]

Yeah, sometimes a sorcerous initiation is just "you get a free 4-dot artifact"

There's a couple of others

A really nice moonsilver cloak iirc

And a blue jade puzzlebox

[prisma sun]

Oh sorry woops

Shadow-Casting Jewel

https://i.imgur.com/qOvjmWx.png

Damn I'm surprised there's nothing like

"This is a blacksmith's hammer that you hit people with"

[tulip folio]

Shadow Casting Jewel seems great for just destroying a battlegroup. XD

'I summon up the anti-you'

[prisma sun]

I mean you do kinda bypass the "you only have 3 health levels" if you do that

[tulip folio]

And battlegroups don't have charms to lack!

[prisma sun]

Funny thing you can do as a Sidereal

summon this and then turn people's faces into that of the most powerful warrior in the room

extradite

Hmmmmmm

Is the ABYSSAL the one who gets a warstrider maybe

[bleak hazel]

there's Godcarver, which is a craft artifact in sidbook that makes you better at raising temples and so forth

but it's not a weapon

so far no artifacts exist that give raw craft power, for obvious reasons

there are the Bracers of Universal Crafting but they're mostly useless

their dice are charm dice so all they really do is make completing tons of projects at once without rest easier, and that only really comes up when repairing warstriders quickly

[prisma sun]

Yeah I don't particularly want like crafting number bonuses other than counting as exceptional equipment

I just want the Vibe

I want to Forge people to death

[bleak hazel]

fair

[winged swallow]

if you wanna forge people’s corpses…

gestures at abyssal craft

[bleak hazel]

the Cultivation initiation is really good, the 5-dot merit that lets you regen all your motes in an hour is very handy, but I am annoyed that the cultivators have to be ascetics

[winged swallow]

soulsteel forge hammer that syncs a little into abyssal craft could potentially be neat

[bleak hazel]

you want to go wild and crazy and take every medicinal pill under the sun, that's the fun part

[winged swallow]

real and true

[prisma sun]

I am going to be doing this

I just want a cool hammer to do it with

[winged swallow]

:)

[winged swallow]

yeag i think you could absolutely do somethin’ like this

my main thought would mainly be how you improve on those native charms with an evocation

[prisma sun]

hrmghhhhhhh

[bleak hazel]

reminds me of this lad from Castlevania

although the other one had the big hammer

[prisma sun]

Isaac and Hector

And yes, 100% the vibe

[bleak hazel]

Isaac was very fun, I have stolen some of his fits for my Abyssal

[winged swallow]

god

[prisma sun]

He isn't going to be the unstoppable hammer princess

However he is going to cheat

[winged swallow]

lmao

[bleak hazel]

and his arc was the only thing I was actually paying attention to for like the entirety of season 3

[prisma sun]

by throwing infinite guys at you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Afn8lA2zRc

[bleak hazel]

that fight was very good

[winged swallow]

i love the forgemaster shit

peak

[prisma sun]

"If I keep throwing ghosts and demons at you, I'll probably be fine being above average"

[bleak hazel]

I think the last couple of seasons of Castlevania dragged a lot but I was still a huge fan of Isaac's arc

Nocturne had much snappier pacing even if it was occasionally a bit overfull

[prisma sun]

I still kinda don't like that Isaac got a happy ending

They didn't really have to make him genocide an entire region

and then forget that happened

Y'know

why are the Deathlords just like

normal human size

why ain't they Big

[winged swallow]

some of em can be big

some like to blend in with da other ghosts

[bleak hazel]

Dowager has Big Mode

Bishop may also have one depending on how large his gribbly monster form is

and Falafel is large by default

[prisma sun]

I forgot I had the manuscript for Abyssals

nyehehehe

[winged swallow]

there’s a fair few changes from the manuscript to the pre-errata backer pdf, so if you got questions, we can answer em

[prisma sun]

I think Falafl is the only Deathlord that fits Waking Smith tbh

All the other seem like they'd love bomb him too much

[winged swallow]

lol

[prisma sun]

Which I think is funny because I think any other Deathlord would genuinely love to have him

and the one that does nab him is the one guy who doesn't give a shitt

[winged swallow]

i do appreciate our agender overlord’s no-nonsense approach to their abyssals

even if i’m a Black Heron enjoyer at my core

[prisma sun]

I think Mask and Heron are my favorite guys

conceptually

[winged swallow]

real

[bleak hazel]

Mask is fun

[winged swallow]

mask is a lil freak

[bleak hazel]

Skullstone is my favourite sandbox but Silver Prince is not my favourite deathlord

[winged swallow]

pop off

[prisma sun]

But I like the idea that Waking Smith is a frustrating experience for his Deathlord

[bleak hazel]

Prince has his shit too together, if Skullstone was ran by Mask I'd be giving it 10/10 rather than 9/10

[prisma sun]

Because he's too ADHD-ridden to be of use in a grand warplan

[bleak hazel]

Prince does all the stuff I want to do

[winged swallow]

so real actually

[prisma sun]

He's not a Knight Errant, he's just useless

unless you tie him down for a year and then he churns out one of the most beautiful monstrosities or artifacts you've ever seen

and then he's like "can I leave now"

[winged swallow]

peak

[prisma sun]

Outdoor cat behavior

I also think this might be the one character I actually use the Lunar Bond with

if only because I think a Lunar finding their cringe lame ass husband is a funny story

[winged swallow]

“are you sure that’s him?”
“yes. i remember his cringe failson ass from my past life visions.”

[prisma sun]

"he was a bit more put together at the time"

[winged swallow]

“the bar seems low”

[tulip folio]

I feel like a crafting artifact would want to play into areas more like the Alchemical 'Make a bunker instantly' charm. Less 'Improve Long-Term Crafting' and more 'Do Cool Things With A Craft Theme'.

[winged swallow]

flash-forge corpses into… Stuff

[bleak hazel]

there's a necromancy spell that turns them into barricades

I'm wondering if anyone's Abyssals could ever be talked into accepting the Sid charm that de-enemy-of-fates someone or whether they're all too oblivionpilled

[winged swallow]

harrow is RIGHT THERE

[bleak hazel]

I think Crimson could be talked into it, but Heaven would not offer it

oh yeah, Harrow is a good candidate

[prisma sun]

Okay I have an idea

[bleak hazel]

conveniently doesn't put you on the path to having to use annoying gold charms

[winged swallow]

yes

[prisma sun]

A Soulsteel Smith's hammer that absorbs corpses and then spends them as charges

to instantly build shit

[winged swallow]

although i’d be much more cool with that if i pull off my reforging successfully

nodding

Huskflayer has a similar mechanic, be worth looking into that

[prisma sun]

Oh? Where's that

[winged swallow]

abyssals

5dt grimscythe

you build up gore points through….

god i can’t remember, one sec

yeah when you deal decisive damage

gain 1 gore per damage dealt

[prisma sun]

I have Picrewed him so I have something to rotate

I think it's also conceptually really good if he died from starvation before his exaltation

[bleak hazel]

well, "died"

I've gone back and forth on whether they actually got to the point of cutting Crimson's throat before he got offered the moonshadow juice

I think yes purely because all his fits have really high collars and I like the idea that there's a big dramatic scar there

[prisma sun]

I assumed you needed to be a corpse first

[bleak hazel]

nah, you don't technically die

Abyssals are living humans hit with the death juice, not ghosts who somehow got glued back together

(which I believe is also why you can't be an Exalt, die and then get back up glowing black, you're still on "the same life")

[prisma sun]

Ah it's like

the split second before death

[bleak hazel]

yeah, you're offered the choice of dying or taking the oath to destroy Creation to continue living as an Abyssal

presumably Abyssal Exaltation gives you a bit of a heal boost because a lot of them have been varyingly fucked up in the moments before their exaltation, Dusk McDusk in the book cut her own throat and is now wandering around with her 5/5/5 physical attributes just fine

[prisma sun]

I wonder what a Lunar Deathlord would look like

can it still shapeshift

[bleak hazel]

the Dowager, I would imagine

since she does

[prisma sun]

Well Exalted can't bleed out

[bleak hazel]

the pre-deathlord careers of the deathlords are deliberately not mentioned but Bishop has sid vibes and Dowager has lunar vibes

[prisma sun]

so most likely whatever was killing you is suddenly Not Enough

[bleak hazel]

with her shapeshifting murder forms and witchy stuff

[prisma sun]

Oh! They got rid of their backstories?

[bleak hazel]

they're all ghosts of Exalts killed in the Usurpation

[prisma sun]

I thought I read that like half of them are confirmed Solars

[bleak hazel]

but they're not particular types of exalt any more

besides Mask, because Chejop in the core book refers to him as the ghost of Larquen Quen

although we have no 3e information that Larquen was a Solar this time around

[dense verge]

oh i missed that

i will now ignore it

mask is some manner of ex DB to me

[bleak hazel]

I quite like Core's depiction of Chejop honestly, but that bit I am fine with losing in the great decorening

[dense verge]

the corebook art of mask is rad tho

[bleak hazel]

I do think it's nice that the five-thousand-year-old chessmaster goes "oh, it's that fucking guy, wonderful", that's just cute

[dense verge]

it is a good frame

[bleak hazel]

Solarness notwithstanding

[prisma sun]

What the fuck is the Abyssal Craft charm that just lets you decide a trap is there

anywhere

[bleak hazel]

for all his many glaring flaws, I think Chejop Kejak at this point is going to be basically impossible to rattle

[prisma sun]

that's hilarious

[bleak hazel]

my man has seen it all before five times over

[dense verge]

doing the thoughts for rivergame, walker, heron, and mask are all up there in my deathlord rankings now

[bleak hazel]

that's ascending order of drip for those three as far as I'm concerned

if I was to have a top three I might swap Walker out for FAFL but generally the east is eating good where deathlords are concerned

Silver Prince is cool-looking and has a wonderful sandbox but is a bit boring himself

Bishop isn't bad

[velvet raft]

You might be able to reflavor the Volcano Sword from the corebook?

[dense verge]

giving walker a flamberge and deciding he should speak in iambic pentameter increased his drip for my spin on him

silver prince is also up there for me

[bleak hazel]

hot damn I didn't notice Malicious Mechanism Mastery's stats, that's one hell of a trap charm

hit someone with the Diff 7 grapple trap to slow them down or the big spikes

[velvet raft]

Yeah, I suspect you can't really gotcha Old Ketchup with any sort of surprise or argument, he has had time to consider all of this, and insofar as he is right he is right, and insofar as he is wrong he is wrong, but nothing's going to change his mind.

He's a very old man who is very set in his ways

[prisma sun]

in their own house evven

[bleak hazel]

apparently all the sids in the sid companion are going to be real freaks so I'm interested to see how they do Mr. Carjack

he's not Anys Syn level but I also do want to see what kung fu they give him

I am thirsty for those combos

[prisma sun]

https://i.imgur.com/mgrvjko.png

[bleak hazel]

all the high essence sids are getting those martial arts wombo combos

[prisma sun]

Question

what is Wretcheed Workshop Flourishing

that is not a charm in this book

[velvet raft]

Someone like Anys Syn, who is sticking with Bronze out of a sense of responsibility for Creation and the aftermath of the Usurpation, might be rattled

But not ketchup

[dense verge]

i think if chejop comes up in rivergame im going to go with not even he knows how long he has left, incidents of time manipulation and lost memory introduces a nebulous blank spot of plus/minus a few decades so for all he know he could drop dead tomorrow when he hits 5000th birthday

[bleak hazel]

it's meant to be Barrow-Mound Stockpile, fixed in backer PDF

also I only just realised that Craft Apoc can just whip out 3-dots from chargen with that

that's very mean

[prisma sun]

Yup

You can also just

keep doing that

Once per story

Just revealing that you've had 5 3 dots this whole time

[bleak hazel]

that's only like 7 charms too

2x Frenzied Forge Within, 2x Void Demiurge's Art, Ceaseless Wicked Toil, Barrow-Mound Stockpile, WSAE

very plausible craft apoc starter build

[prisma sun]

https://i.imgur.com/x6WkDIl.png

Is this a Solar charm???

This seems nuts

[bleak hazel]

standard craft tech

[prisma sun]

I've kinda never looked at crafting charms heh

[bleak hazel]

Sids and Lunars have exactly that, Alchs have a charm-slot flavoured version of it that works with their swapping kits mechanic

Solars have a stupid one that lets you buy tons of craft dots with gold points

core

[prisma sun]

Oh thank god

the very first abyssal melee charm

is teleporting your weapon into your hand

[bleak hazel]

TLE is basically mandatory for artifact crafters because it cuts the cost for artifact crafting from 19xp to 8xp

in practice I would really suggest houseruling that additional crafts are just specs and ignoring TLE and similar entirely

[velvet raft]

Craft is incredibly expensive in terms of XP, so these charms have become standard

[winged swallow]

harrow was given the offer seconds before she died from Head Being Cut Off Syndrome, accepted, and then stuck it back on as she turned on the people what tried to kill her

this is both for the cool scar factor

and because Dullahans rock

[velvet raft]

I kinda assume that The Big Exaltation Moment is something of a limit break

In most cases

[winged swallow]

yeah

[coral wraith]

yup

[winged swallow]

weird shit SHOULD occur in the union between a spark of divinity and a chosen mortal soul

[coral wraith]

My Sid for Bees' upcoming game was in the middle of having their face melted off by their angry volcano god patron

[velvet raft]

I do like that Sids have a whole mystery play thing going on with their Exaltation

[prisma sun]

Mage DNA

Another Waking Smith-ism

he treats all of his tools with absurd care and maintence

except his Goremaul, which he irreverantly just drags behind him with one hand

"I made it for hitting people, it doesn't require upkeep."

Abyssals can summon 2nd circle demons right?

[bleak hazel]

yes, they get Celestial Circle Sorcery

[prisma sun]

Hmm hmm......

Necromancy and Sorcery aren't mutually exclusive right?

[coral wraith]

it's not, you can take both unless you're an Alchemical

[prisma sun]

My Demon/Zombie army shall be forged

[velvet raft]

DBs can't take both either

It's one initiation or the other for them

And Sids can only take the first circle of necromancy

[prisma sun]

https://i.imgur.com/wE2W4i1.png

This is fucking evil

I need more vibe music

I'm seeing the sauce

I'm jiving with the juice

[winged swallow]

welcome to one of my top 5 favorite abyssal charms

[prisma sun]

Love how it can't even be percieved

you just exhude rancid vibes

and people die

[winged swallow]

love my psionic death wail

[prisma sun]

"Here's Necromancy"
"Okay"
"It's all about ghosts and the dead"
"Makes sense"
"Here's the first spell."
"Oh, like Raise Dead or someth-"
"Black Hole."

[winged swallow]

the narrative control effects are also tight

“bone hands sometimes pop outta places to help me? crazy”

[prisma sun]

Holy shit

"Summon your pimp chair"

[merry arch]

abyssals have so much fucking sauce its insane

i love abyssal bureaucracy

[bleak hazel]

found some fun art from Exalted Modern's Sid Firearms

[prisma sun]

why a gorilla

[bleak hazel]

blood ape

[prisma sun]

waiit you can build corpse giants just like

By Thinking Really Hard?

Necromancy having a built in "Phase 2" spell

is insanely fucking cool

[bleak hazel]

Ivory Circle necro has a few duds, I'm not super into the summons you get there, but Shadow and Void are peak

[tulip folio]

Hey, Zambies are great 😛

[prisma sun]

Zombies are fun

Especially once you can shove them into a goliath

[tulip folio]

Oh, I also looked into these. They're cool and make me think that the evocation I made played it a bit overly careful with the statline, as 'militia' are basicly a net neutral trade from normal zombies.

[bleak hazel]

the Bone Throne is my personal favourite Ivory spell

it's so neat

[prisma sun]

It's aura-farming and I'm here for it

[bleak hazel]

they are a little harder to get than Ivory Circle +1 evo, but I think the artifact dots basically round off on that anyway

[tulip folio]

Yeah. I'm not thinking quite Full Corpse Soldier Tier but there's room between Corpse Soldier and Militia. XD

[prisma sun]

Can Solars do Void Necromancy?

[tulip folio]

Nope. They get up to tier 2 but not 3.

As an aside; I wonder why the necromancy names changed between 2 and 3.

the old first tier was Iron.

[merry arch]

prolly cos ivory is Bones -> skeletons -> necromancy

but that's just my hunch

[spring lynx]

yeah it used to be shadowlands (iron), labyrinth (onyx), void (obsidian)

[prisma sun]

https://www.tumblr.com/an-teng/786446087579959296/something-malignant-beneath-the-labyrinth-is?source=share

[fierce star]

oh hello darkest dungeon

[prisma sun]

I think I'm gonna go with the crafting Initiation

[bleak hazel]

for necromancy?

yeah it's very strong

I need to go to the errata form and suggest they put a cap on it because Craft success counts get so high that you can load the entire mote cost of Birth of Sanity's Sorrow into it at once and more still

[prisma sun]

None of the other ones super appeal for this concept

Tho the blood one is cool

[bleak hazel]

yeah, bathe in blood + craft effigies are the two that Crimson has

really solid burst casting

[prisma sun]

Wait huh

You can get more than one?

[next delta]

You get one each circle if I remember correctly

[tulip folio]

Each time you initiate you get an extra ritual. You only get 1 control spell of each tier (Regardless of sorcery or necromancy).

...do you think a charm where you can Counterspell alongside other actions (As a counterpart to the 'you can weave a spell alongside other actions this turn' charms) would be interesting?

Terrestrial Geomantic Initiation
Cost: —; Mins: Intelligence 3, Essence 1
Type: Permanent
Keywords: None
Duration: Permanent
Prerequisite Charms: None
Unlike mortals, the Jadeborn were not granted capability for sorcery by the Salinan working. However, their deep connection to the leylines of creation makes them experts at countermagic and geomancy, shaping the world around them and shattering spells.

The Jadeborn is initiated into Terrestial-Level Sorcery, gaining one Shaping Ritual. Unlike other Sorcerers, Jadeborn cannot know or cast any spells, though they are treated as Sorcerers for all other purposes (Such as Sorcerous Workings or Countermagic). Jadeborn are treated as having knowledge of all Terrestial Circle spells for the purpose of countermagic and may spend Sorcerous Motes from Shaping Rituals as non-Charm Successes on Countermagic.

Submodules

Prismatic Gemstone Awareness (6xp; Intelligence 5, Essence 2): The Jadeborn converts dice from Transpuissant Intelligence Upgrade to automatic successes on Countermagic rolls.

Jade Shattering Pattern
Cost: 2m; Mins: Intelligence 4, Essence 1
Type: Reflexive
Keywords: None
Duration: One turn
Prerequisite Charms: Terrestrial Geomantic Initiation
To face a Jadeborn armed with the magic of creation is to like trying to bring flame against an Ifrit. They are well versed in it and unamused by attempts to leverage it against them.

The Jadeborn flurries a Countermagic action with a non-attack action, ignoring all penalties from flurrying.

Submodules

Everyhungry Leylines (6xp; Intelligence 5, Essence 3) (+4m, 1wp): The Jadeborn can pay a four mote, one-Willpower surcharge to extend this Charm’s duration to one scene.

I'm back to my 'Hey, what if I did jadeborn up as a Variant Alchemical Version'. XD

They can't cast spells but are otherwise sorcerers and they are brilliant at countermagic.

[bleak hazel]

I like these, but I do find it slightly odd that geomancy powers are not actually making them any better at Craft (Geomancy)

might want some other charms for that

[tulip folio]

Yeah, I'll likely do up some Craft charms for this. My plan is to do up a few charms to basicly replace the parts of the Alch charmset that don't work for them.

Like the sorcery charms.

But with most being 'You'd know it by a different name but you still have access to this'

They don't likely call it Anticipatory Simulation Processor but they do likely have a 'GM, is this a Stupid Idea?' charm that works the same etc.

[tulip folio]

The first of Autothon’s species, it was from the Jadeborn that humanity was crafted. When the Primordials rampaged, it was the Jadeborn who sheltered the first humans within their cities and taught them Autothon’s gift of creation. They saw their younger sibling alone in the world and reached out their hands to help shield them.

When the Incarnae raised up chosen humans as Exalts, they did not fight alone. They had sworn, like all other beings, not to raise hand against the primordials. Like some gods however, they did everything they could to skirt this oath. Their blades cut down the lesser souls of Primordials to buy openings for the exalted and their craftspeople wrought the bones of creation into weapons that an exalt’s hand could wield in their stead.

However, this kinship did not last. As they had not directly fought the Primordials, paranoid exalts saw the mostly unharmed Jadeborn as a threat to a new human creation. There were pogroms and cries out against these beings that had dragged the celestial host down by refusing to truly fight like the exalts had. Some even called for their destruction, too much of a threat for humanity to be allowed to live.

In desperation, Autothon shattered brilliant jade upon his anvil. The true jadeborn of long ago are no more, broken apart into castes that represent a small aspect of what they once were. They are no longer Samildánach, equally skilled in many arts. Instead each is restricted in body and mind, confined within the cells of their own souls and limited to a singular role. This appeased the Exalted, giving them slaves rather than equals.

However, Autothon’s creations are not so fragile as to be unable to be repaired. Through reincarnation after reincarnation, they move slowly towards enlightenment, pulling the fragments of their souls back together. Only a few have achieved this enlightenment and it is uncertain if all ever will. They will never be like they were but those who have achieved their true selves can at least be whole and independent.

Rather than just doing a 1:1 Copy of old Jadeborn fluff I did a bit of a tinkering that's mostly the same but tried to give a bit more of a spin of the three castes being not 'Artisans Best, Others Shit' and more 'Each caste represents one part that the Jadeborn once were, with the enlightened able to step beyond that caste into wholeness of self'. Though the Artisans did remain the 'Elf Caste' for style.

Worker
Caste Attributes: The Worker Caste shows the devotion that drove the Jadeborn to stand against the primordials themselves. They are endlessly enduring, detail oriented and intimately connected with those about them. Their Caste Attributes are Stamina, Perception and Charisma.

Soldier
Caste Attributes: The Soldier Caste shows the strength that stood blade in hand to help defend their younger siblings, humanity. They are mighty as well as tactically and situationally aware, though they tend more towards working with terror more than inspiration. Their Caste Attributes are Strength, Wits and Manipulation

Artisan
Caste Attributes: The Artisan Caste are a reflection of the brilliant sights that once flourished among the Jadeborn. They are flexible in body and mind, their inner strength reflected externally for all to see. Their Caste Attributes are Dexterity, Intelligence and Appearance.

[tulip folio]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10xcIxHzHUrjSOh37l1d9eSp5OjYjZKRJ8qxGqvgluOo/edit?usp=sharing This is still like pre-alpha level note scratching but I hope it reads okay/seems interesting.

[quiet garnet]

Has anyone ever played in a Lookshy focused campaign?

[prisma sun]

The Exalted pbp I was running was very Riverlands-focused and someone was from Lookshy at least

Also Abyssal/Lunar romance is, in my mind, just this on repeat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtTYQuO1j6w

[winged swallow]

realized that i forgot Archery was an Ability

so

once i'm done with anima powers, i'll start revamping Archery first lol

[fierce star]

Hmm. Wonder if ten MA charms and four styles is too many to take at chargen for a non-MA supernal abyssal...

[bleak hazel]

it's a lot, my 400xp sid elder setup only has three styles + one more to form

what styles are these?

[velvet raft]

Never XD

[fierce star]

White Veil, Black Claw, Rat, and Toad, though Toad has no charms and only one dot in it as a 'set up for later' thing.

[bleak hazel]

well, you can skip that

I don't think you need all of those honestly, half the point of Black Claw is that it's a self-contained combat suite for socialites

[velvet raft]

I think they’re going all in on poison

[fierce star]

Well, the plan was to stack--yeah

as many poison and disease effects onto my attacks as possible

[wise ocean]

citrine poxes soon stalker

[fierce star]

and environmental. I'm survival apocalyptic going down the 'summon a blizzard' capstone route, planning to invest in the 'store/inflict diseases and poisons' abyssal medicine charms

[velvet raft]

Anyway, as long as you have what you want from other abilities, I don’t see why not

[bleak hazel]

so you're stopping Black Claw at Flexing the Emerald Claw?

[fierce star]

Yeah

at least for now, possibly completely since I'm unlikely to get PAOC for stancemaxxing

I do have a sidereal mentor but they're not an elder and I dunno what they know other than citrine poxes

[prisma sun]

Should I give this abyssal a gun

[chilly sluice]

do you think prayer pieces will ever come back in Ex3, or are firewands gonna remain the only guns

[fierce star]

Probably just firewands. Prayer pieces are fun but they're also like... the sort of silly/gonzo stuff that ex3 has somewhat pushed back against

The current charm setup (using advanced/essence 2 characters)

Survival: Old Crow's Wisdom, Weeping Sky Lamentation, Maelstrom-Weathering INdifference x2, Blood Chilling Caress, Winter-Queen's Countenance, Blizzard of Tears
Resistance: Corpse Body REsilience
Dodge: Ephemeral Presence Elusion, Flitting Shadow Form
Stealth: Moonless Night Absense
MAs:
Black Claw: Open Palm Caress, Torn Lotus Defense, Flexing the Emerald Claw
Rat: Hungry Gnawing Fang, Rat Brings Fleas, Scurrying Rat Retreat
White Veil: Birdsong Over Blades, Owl Clutches at the Night, Alehouse Memory Stance, White Veil Form

I could drop Moonless Night Absense and a couple of merit dots to free up enough charm slots/bp to start with toad out to poisonous fist, which'll also give me iron-skinned toad so I would, in theoyr, not need to start with aritfact armor, actually...

I mean the silk armor's sitll better soak

[prisma sun]

There's a revolver in Arms of the Chosen

[fierce star]

Is there?

[winged swallow]

i think prayer pieces revolved around a piece of setting metaphysics that like, isn’t around anymore

[limpid badge]

I just give someone a first age laser if I need them to have a gun

Weapons of the Ancients n such

[winged swallow]

good ol’ adamant lens firing a focused beam from an orichalcum and red jade-based sorcerous engine

[prisma sun]

It's like Cirrus or something

I came up with a first age ligjtning pistol that reloads via spinning it

[winged swallow]

tight

[fierce star]

Sirrush? It's a normal devil-caster, flame tag and everything

it does fit the thematics of 'cowboy duelling revolver' but it is not firing a solid shot

[velvet raft]

I really like those Smashfists in Heirs which are meant to be used by Elemental Bolt specialists

[prisma sun]

Those are fun yeah

I like how my first thought when seeing the deep grimdark antihero Abyssals is to essentially make a romcom protag

I am still up in the air on goremaul or Dire goremaul

A regular goremaul does let me invoke Radagon

[spring lynx]

but if you go dire goremaul you can channel nightreign revenant

this could be you!

[prisma sun]

https://tenor.com/view/mhw-hammer-gif-24949482

[quiet garnet]

Did the party ever go to Lookshy?

[prisma sun]

Non

[quiet garnet]

[prisma sun]

Why the specifity tho

[tulip folio]

Kinda funny how there isn't just like...firedust being used to propel a projectile anywhere.

[limpid badge]

Curiosity hence the original question voy

I think she just wants to hear about lookshy

[prisma sun]

Well yeah but I mean like

Yeah

[limpid badge]

It’s nice to hear how people handle setting elements

[prisma sun]

"Are you doing something with Lookshy yourself, if so please share"

[limpid badge]

Yes that is what someone was asking thru conversation

[prisma sun]

Yes I'm asking that in return

[prisma sun]

Also is there an Abyssal charm that let's you pretend to die

[velvet raft]

I don’t need a charm for that

XD

[quiet garnet]

fixation. Thorns and Lookshy been on the brain recently cause Wondrous Atlas

[prisma sun]

If you want to join the pbp I do really gotta revitalize it

Like 90% of the characters are in the East atm

[quiet garnet]

Unfortunately I’m looking for voiced games

[winged swallow]

yeah

[quiet garnet]

As frustrated as I am at trying to find Exalted games through the Exalted server (it’s currently a mad scramble to respond every time an ST posts a game, especially if it’s first come first served )

[prisma sun]

Oh the server I'm in is less a running game and more like

Touys

more an rp forum than a hard mechanical game

[prisma sun]

Excellent...

I'm glad all the cool flavor stuff for Abyssals is 1-1

[tulip folio]

How's this seem? Trying to play about with things without like 'designing a whole exalt-like creature type from scratch'.

Will need to refresh myself with some of their iconic charms but I did note that Abyssals have a charm now for Making Soulsteel so the old 'Jadeborn can Create Magical Materials' is likely on the table.

[fierce star]

It's looking good to me so far, though as a question, are you going to let jadeborn take the alchemical charm that gives extra magical material resonances?

[tulip folio]

I was thinking so. Previously the only magical materials they couldn't create were Soulsteel and Starmetal, since both of those are Made Of People.

So I don't see much reason for them to not be able to pick up other Resonances.

[fierce star]

and now neither one is explicitly only made of metal. Ethical soulsteel is rare but not impossible to produce.

makes sense though, was just curious

I'd almost suggest a submodule for it just for them that lets them treat any artifact theyv'e made themselves as resonant regardless of material, if they do something with like, behemoth bone or something?

[tulip folio]

That would be pretty cool.

I'm looking at borrowing/tinkering with Nightmare-Carving Murmur from Abyssals as a base to give them some Geomancy Stuff.

[fierce star]

ooh

[tulip folio]

As that's the Abyssal 'Hey, you can just Make Soulsteel From Empty Air' + 'Reshape the Enviroment'

So that seems like a good basis for both 'Manipulate the enviroment' geomancy and 'If you are insanely good at this, you can forge magical materials into existance'

As I don't want them shitting out 'Hey look, Free Moonsilver' to be easy

The 2e version was a bit too simple on that front

[fierce star]

legit

[tulip folio]

I think I'm also going to add a bonus E5 submodule to the 'make a bunker/fort' charm.

Which is 'as long as you sustain an essence-formed bunker, it's treated as magical materials and any effect that would destroy it is fucking hard'

So if someone pulls out a 'I wipe out the fort' trick you go 'Come on, this fort is made of adamant. You are not doing that shit with a mortal artiliery battery'

As I want to play with them as craftspeople without it just being 'make artifacts' crafting.

[winged swallow]

i cannot believe i’m seeing the ethical soulsteel thing pop up again

[winged swallow]

you can’t just make it from nothing. you always need ghosts to bind into the metal.

[tulip folio]

True, though the shadowlands are very full of that.

[bleak hazel]

that's Abyssal Wyld-Shaping Technique, so might want to make it slightly smaller in scale than that

but I like the idea

[tulip folio]

I think the big thing is I want to expand the timeframe

Not '1 min per check'

[winged swallow]

?

oh ghosts

[dense verge]

wait i was only doing a bit, when did ethical soulsteel pop up

[winged swallow]

yeah true, but it would still be unethical lol

[fierce star]

I was also attempting to make a joke

[dense verge]

yeah thats still some bit of soul right there

[tulip folio]

Autothon

[fierce star]

though there is--yeah

it's still like

got souls in it, but the octet (probably) didn't put it there

[dense verge]

autochthon can have ambiguous sources of soulsteel

[fierce star]

they just harvest veins of it, screaming and covered in faces

[dense verge]

im not going to ask where he got that from

[fierce star]

The 'ancient race that he killed the last and locked in soulsteel becuase they tried to enslave him' are no loner mentioned, atl east in the draft manuscript

[winged swallow]

“hey where did you get those souls from?”
“WHAT ARE YOU, A REGULATOR? GET OFF MY BACK.”

[fierce star]

it's a real big ???? for autobot

[dense verge]

my soulsteel is the most ethical, creating a dream using Quicksilver Hand of Dreams, then harvesting the dream people therein

[winged swallow]

Bees. Buddy. We talked about this.

[dense verge]

its so fucked you can just make soulsteel with that in essence

[winged swallow]

those are still people!

[fierce star]

but if I wake up they'd die anyway right

really I'm helping them by encasing htem in neverending torment in labyrinth-ore

[dense verge]

dont worry! they only exist in reality in soulsteel form! suffering!

[winged swallow]

[fierce star]

it would be unethical not to soulsteel them in fact!

(Reasons I Should Not Be ALlowed To Play Abyssals, number 137)

my current abyssal build is taking toxic yuri to a whole new level

[merry arch]

Good

[dense verge]

hey, i have the ethical high ground over solars at least

[fierce star]

(white veil + rat + black claw + toad + abyssal medicine + abyssal survival + abyssal resistance.......)

[limpid badge]

the walker gets his soulsteel from the dead dream civilization he’s posing cuntily on top of presumably

Very ethical

[winged swallow]

delilah im gonna fucken get you

[tulip folio]

Yeah, since it's in creation, I want to make the focus narrower/the effect more difficult but being able to play cartographer is still a big deal. XD

I think the big target point for it is I want to make it slower.

You can't just wave your hand and shape shit.

As Abyssals and Solars do it in Minutes

[dense verge]

surely this city called carcosa has all its soulsteel above board

[tulip folio]

I also love how Autothon managed to have both 'slightly more ethical than normal soulsteel' (They just Mine Ore) and then decided they needed to re-invent doing it the horrible way.

(Thanks Lux, you fascist trash can)

Ah, there it is! The old 2e charm that is inspiring tinkering with this.

Artisan Pattern Mastery (Likely needs a more interesting name)

It was kinda silly.

'Hey, who wants to just shit out a 1m x 1m x 1m cube of orichalcum? I can do that for 7 motes!'

[bleak hazel]

for some reason I'm still stuck on the idea of the One Sidereal In Autoland

nobody knows what the fuck any of his martial arts are because he's probably literally the only being capable of using them, there aren't many third circles around who are kung-fu focused

he has gotten used to the weave of fate around here somehow tasting of metal and involving too many right angles

[tulip folio]

Sidereal, Jadeborn and Alchemical all arguing about which one of them 'emulates a manse' more properly as all 3 of them do it in a way that the other two can't do. XD

[bleak hazel]

mechanical pattern spider finding an obvious patch job on the Grand Design that is all flowing and organic and intuitive rather than matrix-raining-code and going "gah, shoddy workmanship"

[bleak hazel]

I'd be interested to see Autosid breaking out the craft charm that lets you seal shadowlands on a Blight zone, because it's probably the most Alchemical charm they have - you need to keep the seals maintained and stop people fucking with them, and their craft tree is all about arranging group efforts

almost literally stitching up autobot

[tulip folio]

Alchemical: "I have the perfect tool for helping avoid people messing with the seals." Puts up a No Entry Sign

[bleak hazel]

do they actually have a superpowered sign-making charm?

if not they totally should, that sounds very fun

[tulip folio]

They do, it's Holographic!

[fierce star]

oh my god

[tulip folio]

It lets them turn their anima banner into a sign.

[fierce star]

holosigns... atmospheric issues requiring constant maintenance...

I could play a SS13 atmotech alchemical

artifact fire axe...

imagine the robustness

stares at the pipes until they make sense

[bleak hazel]

Guns of Icarus updated the other day for the first time in many years and it's made me want to play an autobot game in the pole-of-smoke city

[fierce star]

Xexas

[bleak hazel]

autobot commentary from the Exalted discord

[wise ocean]

[wilhelm scream]

[winged swallow]

lmfao

[prisma sun]

Doesn't even know how they got there

Got Isekaied and is like "Well shit"

[tulip folio]

Okay so the hammerings to Wyld Shaping/Nightmare-Carving to get it a bit more in-line for the Jadeborn Geomancy/Artisan Pattern.

-Timeframe moved from 1 min/check to 1 hour/check.
-Everyone with essence senses in the area can immediately tell someone is Fucking With The Dragon Lines. This is profoundly unsubtle.
-A note that any attempt to shape an area that the local mortals wouldn't like is going to hit you *hard* with Great Geas points.
-Most of the options beyond basic environmental stuff is locked behind submodule upgrades. You don't get magical material making until E5, unlike Solars/Abyssals.

So the basic charm will be 'Oh yeah, I can Part That River' with upgrades for 'Oh yeah, I could Make A Building' or 'I can adjust the elemental alignment of this place' and if you hit E5 you get 'Oh yeah, I could shape magical materials with this'.

[fierce star]

The usual excuse I see for a Sidereal in Autochton is 'heaven had a junior member spying on autobot's followers when he left and the sidereal didn't expect the door to close quite that hard behind them'

[bleak hazel]

there's also the funny setting sidestep of "yeah, there's eight of them in there, it's why there aren't 108 Sidereals"

but yeah, the single sid works better without bending the rules

and sids and alchs have very complementary skillsets on top of the obvious "what the fuck" moment that an Alch must have when the obvious meat-human catches the megaton hammer in one hand and palm strikes them through the side of the comic panel

Sids have to make do with their weird-ass toolset full of hyperpowered adamantium moustache-curlers, Alchs can go home and fit themselves out with a bunch of practical stuff useful for today's issue but move in very obvious and straight lines

[tulip folio]

...actually, looking over it, I think I might meld this into some submodule upgrades for Theoplastic Engineering Protocol. As that already does the 'basic environmental changes', so I can just expand it into some wider stuff.

[bleak hazel]

that makes rather more sense, yeah

I do like big landscape-sculpting stuff and big submodules come in fairly high-essence and high-xp variants so you can probably fit most of the same things in

[tulip folio]

Yeah. Theoplastic Engineering Protocol is e3 and I can do some E4 and E5 submodules to emulate a lot of this stuff. Like:

[prisma sun]

"There's actually 150 Sids we just lost track of 50 and decided to do some creative accounting after"

[bleak hazel]

I still think there should be some more sids precisely so it's easier to wedge a couple in strange corners for extremely long periods of time

hmm, I need to do the artifact for my snake stylist Siddie

presumably a hook-sword, and I just wear mundane shields

although it would be kind of nice to have a panoply artifact that's a cool sword and a bracer

[tulip folio]

Geomantic Realignment (6xp): You can alter an existing terrain feature into a Demesne of a type that matches the local elemental affinity of the region (Such as Fire in the South). This has a goal number of 20 for two-dot demesnes and 30 for four-dot demesnes.

Alternatively, you can adjust the elemental affinity of the affected area. This increases the goal number by 10, or has a Goal Number of 20 if you are affecting an area without a Demesne. After this goal is completed, the local area will take on aspects of its new elemental affinity over time (A desert aligned with Water will remain a desert but will find itself with more oasis's or becoming a colder desert instead of a hot one, depending on the Jadeborn's intent)

Something like that.

[bleak hazel]

wondering how to do the evocations for an artifact that I basically don't have any XP to spare for

a couple of neat auto-unlocking permanents and that's it, probably

[fierce star]

My general thing is that if I don't plan to have any auto-unlocking evocations and odn't have the XP for it, unless inspiration's struck, I just note down what the artifact's themes are for evocations and come back to them later when I have spare XP and inspriation

[bleak hazel]

I don't expect to have any XP for this thing for the forseeable three essence levels, purely because Sids going MA + core combat trees simultaneously drink all their XP forever

its primary theme is "dead mentor's teachings" so it might be nice to have a "slash the weave, reveal contingency" type thing

[fierce star]

legit

[bleak hazel]

I think this character only gets everything I'd ever want on them at like 400 main XP, which, yeah, fair enough, that's about right for absolutely totally done

I'll have to budget it out because part of taking a bunch of odd MAs is trying to hit various breakpoints at particular XP levels so you're not locked out of SMA until E4 or something else odd

[prisma sun]

https://i.imgur.com/ixP5COR.png

Do you not already instantly kill trivial characters if you want to

[tulip folio]

No

They lack init

And you get nothing for taking them out

But it's not technically an instant-kill.

[tulip folio]

snrk
I forgot that Jadeborn in 2e just flat got access to their own version of Five Jade Fury. XD

2e: 'So you can't learn martial arts but you have a notable chunk of Prismatic Arangement of Creation in your soldier patterns by default'

[tulip folio]

Jadeborn Submodules:

Thermoplastic Engineering Protocol

Caging the Dragon (3xp): When using this charm as an extended action, you may shape the land out to (Essence x5) miles from a Deseme or Manse by working within it. When shaping the environment this way, the interval is reduced by one degree (Weeks to Days, Months to Weeks etc).

Fortress Raising Pattern (3xp): As an extended action, the Jadeborn can shape the earth into large objects and structures of incredible complexity, such as statues, observatories and castles. The goal number depends on the type of project that would be necessary to create the object: 3 for basic, 10 for major, and 20 for superior.

Earth Reinforcing Pattern (3xp, Caging the Dragon): The Jadeborn can pay a 5 Mote, 1 Willpower surcharge when she uses Thermoplastic Engineering protocol to temper her creation against the Wyld. If she did not use this charm as an extended action, for the rest of the scene Fae and Gremlins find themselves being drained away by dragon lines and it becomes an environmental hazard for them with difficulty (Essence +1), Damage 3A/round. If she instead used this charm as an extended action, the affected area becomes an environmental hazard for Fae and Gremlins with difficulty 3, Damage 2A/minute until calibration.

Geomantic Realignment (6xp, Caging the Dragon): As an extended action, you can alter an existing terrain feature into a Demesne of a type that matches the local elemental affinity of the region (Such as Fire in the South or Abyssal within a Shadowland). This has a goal number of 20 for two-dot demesnes and 30 for four-dot demesnes.

Alternatively, you can adjust the elemental affinity of the affected area. This increases the goal number by 10, or has a Goal Number of 20 if you are affecting an area without a Demesne. After this goal is completed, the local area will take on aspects of its new elemental affinity over time (A desert aligned with Water will remain a desert but will find itself with more oasis's or becoming a colder desert instead of a hot one, depending on the Jadeborn's intent).

Reset: Once Per Story

Creation-Crafting Pattern (6xp, Essence 5): The Jadeborn wields the very hammer of Autochthon, calling up the ore of magical materials from deep beneath the earth and forging it. Creating enough of a magical material for a weapon or armour has a goal number of 30, which rises if a large amount of material is needed (Such as for a warstrider). A Jadeborn cannot make Soulsteel this way, as while she could draw up the ore, she could not bind the souls within it.

Reset: Once Per Story

Took a shot at it.

3xp for small buffs/situational stuff, 6xp for Big Extra Things.

You can do bigger areas faster if you work within a Deseme/Manse, you can make buildings, you can go 'IF THE FEY WON'T GO THE THE IMPERIAL MOUNTAIN, THE IMPERIAL MOUNTAIN WILL GO TO THE FEY' and adjust geomancy stuff.

Earth Reinforcing Pattern is beefy but only working on Fae/Gremlins (I'm makes Darkbrood count as Gremlins for any charm that cares about such) VERY situational.

[tulip folio]

The Great Geas

The cruel shattering of the Jadeborn at the direction of the Solar exalted had restrictions weaved within it to prevent them ever rising up against an Exalted Creation. It prevents them living aboveground except at the direction of an exalt and cuts them off from contact with their former kin among the Fae. The effects of this Geas are called Divergence and are measured the same way that Limit is.

Gaining Divergence

A Jadeborn who defies the Sun's order gains limit equal to her successes under the following circumstances:

-When she breaks her word or acts to aid a Creature of Darkness, she rolls three dice.
-If she commands or receives worship from mortals, she rolls two dice.
-For each Scene spent aboveground without being in the presence of a friendly Exalt, or for each scene of non-hostile contact with a Creature of Darkness, she rolls 1 die. During downtime, she roll 1 die per week spent this way.

My plotting is to make the Great Geas a lot more like Bleak Expiation than conventional limit break. You've got a list of Ways This Can Suck that can range from 'well, this kinda sucks' to 'oh Fuck This'. Stuff like fucking with intimacies or geomantic backlash.

As I think it works better for reinforcing 'Oh yeah, the exalts turned these people into slaves' than the 2e one of 'Oh yeah, hit you with the Eclipse Anima Effect, end of line'.

[velvet raft]

The Primordials have always had a weird relationship with souls, and indeed were deeply integrated into the mechanisms of reincarnation prior to the divine revolt, so, sudden hot take out of nowhere: primordials can create ethical soulsteel because they can just shove pure soul-stuff into the metal, without any particular need for individuated suffering. Soulsteel as it exists post-revolt is a twisted version thereof, analogous to the Underworld itself.

[tulip folio]

It seems to be that like...well, the primordials have an endless well of soul. I could see Autocthon making soulsteel being the equivelent of a human cutting their hair so someone can get a wig.

It's not nothing so it's still not super common but it's not a permanent loss or major issue

[velvet raft]

Soulsteel Caste Alchemical encounters Creational soulsteel artifacts, says "wtf", sets up a hospice facility for them to try to ameliorate their pain

[tulip folio]

...yeah, I can do some mean things here with the Great Geass to make Jadeborn very miserable/set up interesting role playing opportunities

Subservience

The Great Geas clamps shackles around the Jadeborn's very soul, reminding him of his enslavement to heaven. All levels of Subservience share two effects: imposing Intimacies or weakening Intimacies.

Imposing Intimacies
The Jadeborn gains an intimacy on the same level as the Subservience. This can’t be resisted with
Willpower, and the Intimacy can’t be weakened by any means for the rest of the session. Examples of suitable Intimacies include: 

-Positive intimacies towards humans, especially exalts
-Negative intimacies towards creatures of darkness, especially Fae.
-Positive Principles related to the role imposed on the Jadeborn.
-Negative Intimacies related to independence and autonomy.

Weakening Intimacies
The Subserviance weakens an Intimacy of the same intensity or lower. It can’t be restored to its former intensity for the rest of the session. Suitable Intimacies are those antithetical to the kinds of Intimacies that Subservience can inflict.

Making the Great Geass not just 'I will hit you with a stick if you disobey' but very much 'They've been twisted body and soul into this and attempts to fight back against it hurt'.

Alongside some more 'Geomantic Backlash/Physical Curses' stuff for possible divergence effects.

[velvet raft]

I'm not gonna lie I find the idea of the Black Heron crouching outside of somebody's window to watch them very, very funny

[tulip folio]

Oh, she's just a creature in 3e.

I love it

Sorry for the wall of text as I work on things btw. XD

[velvet raft]

omg

Abyssal notices their Deathlord crouching outside their window, goes "wtf"

[tulip folio]

It does make my 2e Abyssal much funnier if I replace the 2e Heron with the 3e Heron. As Ivory was just as obsessive about the Princess Magnificent.

[velvet raft]

She's an overprotective parent (evil)

[tulip folio]

Imagine losing a swordmatch when a necrotic titan just bursts through the wall going 'Don't worry, I'm here to help!'

[velvet raft]

Okay, yeah yeah she's one of the scariest most badass assassins of all time and wants to make everyone so frightened they die

She's also really funny

[fierce star]

Honestly most 3e deathlords are

Absolute gremlin creatures

[tulip folio]

3e Black Heron

[velvet raft]

notice me senpai

the murder gremlin attracts murder gremlins

lol

Yeah the writers knew what they were doing

[tulip folio]

Pure Melodrama

[velvet raft]

Recalculating my "one Nobilis Excrucian of each type ends up in Exalted Creation" fic idea

[prisma sun]

I feel like you can win against the Dowager by just shoving her into the well

[velvet raft]

Or getting her to walk in willingly

Unfortunately the well is very tall

My mental image is of her turning into a giant corpse-monster and standing on tip-toe so that just her eyes can see over the edge

[prisma sun]

Punching a giant monster a football field high isn't exactly hard to do

[velvet raft]

(It was not a sincere objection I just like imagining her as the neighbor from Home Improvement)

This is also very funny

She sounds perfect for a very player-directed Abyssal game tbh

"My boss is an incoherent, babbling, giant, half-tiger zombie who spends her time on her tip-toes staring into a very large stone pot, and then occasionally creates a giant monster I have to fight"

[prisma sun]

"I have one of the best bosses as a result"

[velvet raft]

Seriously though, now imagining four Excrucians getting sucked through the Well and being very confused

[raw owl]

Genseric Dace causing levels of problems scarcely imagined since the Primordial War

[tulip folio]

I am being Mean with the Jadeborn Great Geas to make it a bit more interesting to engage with. It's ending up a very 'Order/Heirarchy' instead of 'Death' version of the Abyssal Great Curse. Which means if you let it do stuff, it Makes You Miserable but doesn't take control of your character away.

[prisma sun]

Aren't Excrusians just Fae

[velvet raft]

No, although they're fae-coded in some cases

[velvet raft]

The raksha were definitely an influence on the excrucians

Excrucians come in four categories:

• Warmains are the wolves at the gate, ciphers that want to find what is worthy in existence, and conduct elaborate tests in order to do so. The worst thing you can do is impress one (at which point they will either absorb or merge with you). They have some of the strongest fae coding, and are immense physical threats in addition to more broadly miraculous ones. In this hypothetical fic, the Warmain tries to continue its M.O. in Exalted Creation, but frankly Creation and its denizens find the Warmain a lot more interesting than it does them.

[prisma sun]

Before you continue, I have played Nobilis

[velvet raft]

Alright, fair

But no, deceivers and mimics in particular are not particularly raksha-esque

Strategists have some of it but it's not necessarily prominent

[prisma sun]

Well motivation wise, they still want to destroy creation and return the world to itt's primordial form

[velvet raft]

Noooooot exactly?

The excrucians can't even agree on what they want, exactly

They're a big tent

I feel confident saying, given Jenna worked on Exalted 1e, that there's definitely some raksha DNA in the excrucians

But they're not really the same and their agenda is far more complicated and far more derived of trauma

[velvet raft]

Anyway it would be funny because Deceivers and Mimics are not typically physical presences but kicking one from one end of creation to another doesn’t do much

[winged swallow]

i always liked to joke that my dusk caste regularly got letters from the black heron that was always just lightly-veiled pleading to come back to stygia

abyssals are hard to make happen

[tulip folio]

'Why don't you ever call your Deathlord?'

[velvet raft]

Yes this is good

[winged swallow]

“Look man, I’m tired of all the parties. I’m here for vengeance, not decadence.”

[tulip folio]

Okay so lets see:

-Great Geas: Done
-Chargen Changes: Nearly Done
-Caste Abilities: To Do
-List of 'you can't take this' charms: Nearly done.
-New charms to replace them: Nearly done.

I think I should be able to get this 'Play an Enlightened Jadeborn' done by the end of this weekend.

Oh right, I also want to do an Unenlightened Warrior statline for Battle Group purposes.

Which is going to be beefy but like...Beastman/Lesser Elemental Beefy, not DB beefy. XD

Not sure if this project is one people will ever use/enjoy but I like writing for the sake of writing.

[velvet raft]

I almost want to make an Abyssal now just to be an errant Abyssal of Black Heron

Or Dowager

Dowager is also very funny

[winged swallow]

Deathknight-Heront

[velvet raft]

I do like how they managed to make Black Heron as pathetic as she was in 1E

While also making her more interesting

[bleak hazel]

Heron is really fun, if Crimson wasn't so far in the west id have been very tempted by either Mask or Heron

He does have both Thrown and Socialise so maybe a third of his skillset is from various Heron trees

[winged swallow]

i wouldn’t go so far as to call her pathetic lol

but i am glad that she’s like

an actual person in 3e

and not what previous editions did with her

White Wolf Moment

i think maybe she’s a little desperate to shore up her power base, but like.. anyone would be in her situation

especially considering who her colleagues are

[tulip folio]

She's a creature (affectionate).

Which is good. Most good RPG characters are some amount of 'look at this weird creature'. XD

And it's so much better than if they treated all the deathlords as Entirely Serious Characters. The humourous aspects help make them feel more like people

If that makes sense?

[winged swallow]

yeah i ain’t saying she’s without her funny parts, but i am saying that i wouldn’t consider her overtly pathetic and that i am also glad she has more going for her than “the neverborn made her a slave to the first and forgotten lion”

[prisma sun]

Here in the modern day we have learned the power of gap moe

[dense verge]

she's in better shape than spamton, but still desperate to claw back resources

[bleak hazel]

she is a little bit pathetic, to balance out her position as like no. 2 most killy deathlord

[prisma sun]

All the deathlords are a little pathetic

Even falafel is like

Sauron (Depressed)

[winged swallow]

if i had a special move called DEMIURGIC ART: PURGATORIAL RADIANCE i would not be so depressed

[prisma sun]

I imagine using Demurgic Art: Purgatorial Radiance on people stops them from being depressed for a bit

[wise ocean]

sometimes... all you need is a missing piece (really cool martial arts move)

[winged swallow]

TRUE

anyway, go my The Gates of Paradise Open

[prisma sun]

Remember you must always name your combos so they have a full page spread

[bleak hazel]

this is why Anys Syn has that warning to GMs on her character sheet

it's nothing to do with threat level, it's that almost every single move she has is a specially named combo so by the time you get all the aura farming out of the way the art budget is ruined

[prisma sun]

Solar looking down at their hands in terror as they realize the animation just improved dramatically

[vestal dew]

You have now provided me with the best way to give a Sidereal a premonition, thank you.
"You sense the animation budget was suddenly tripled."

[bleak hazel]

Auspicious Prospects for Battles, surely

[prisma sun]

Auspicious Prospects for Budget

[bleak hazel]

you know, for the least openly flashy Exalts, Sids really do hit all the genre conventions for hype moments and aura a lot

they even come with a few dozen badass-litanies-in-a-can

plus the Greater Signs, which let you set the lighting for the big battle

[vestal dew]

Sidereal: "There once was a maiden-"
Circlemate: raises plastic sheet to protect themselves

[bleak hazel]

the Sid Melee scripture is so obviously written to enable badass stunts, the capstone is "wrapping a prayer strip over your eyes while reciting it"

a lot of the other ones are a little murkier

the SMA scriptures are even better for this because at least in the case of the original seven, the scriptures are one-line-per-charm

[prisma sun]

https://youtu.be/NyPf5ipLFkU?si=30aRvqj9v7oOsp2f

Essence 5 sid vs newly exalted Infernal

[tulip folio]

...hmm...do you think it's unreasonable stripping out the 'Must Obey Celestial Exalts/Falls Apart If You Ever Fight Them' when doing up Enlightened Jadeborn? It's kinda the most 'Not a viable player character' part and there's still plenty of Geas with 'can't be aboveground without an exalted sponser', 'can't do anything with Creatures of Darkness' and 'eat shit if you break an oath'.

It's the bit I least feel works as 'Doing this up as a Player Character Option'. Going 'you can't engage in cool kung fu fights' in exalted is kinda unfun. XD

[bleak hazel]

I would leave that out, yeah

[tulip folio]

Also to be frank: I don't like anything that cares about Celestial exalts being in 3e.

It was always part of 'DB are not Real Exalts' nonsense, having a carveout that only aplied to a single exalt type just to say they don't engage with things.

[winged swallow]

i do appreciate that deebs actually kick considerable ass in 3e

‘specially if they’ve got other deebs with em

[tulip folio]

I do like that DB are allowed to Have Cool Things in 3e, instead of every single DB charm being 'What if we took a celestial exalt charm and made it More Limited'.

[winged swallow]

narratively and mechanically

[bleak hazel]

I was reading some forum discussions from early 3e and there were some very funny moments where someone asked "how many deebs can a starting Lunar take?" and the answer turned out to be "usually exactly one"

you can make a total combat monkey Solar who can blend DB hearths but that's 15 charms in pure alpha strike

if they don't kill more than half of them before any deeb gets a turn that's game

[tulip folio]

Yeah, it feels less like 'normal expected power level' and more 'solar charmset has First Designed Charmset issues'.

While later ones don't have quite the same 'you do what?'

And more...general coherance/interesting aspects

[bleak hazel]

I don't think Abyssals even have that combo because it depends almost entirely on stacking double damage from TAP on IFOTD or Heaven Sword Flash

and TAP got nixed in the Abyssal charmset because it was silly

[winged swallow]

i watched 3 deebs hold their own against a resistance supernal dawn caste and an eclipse caste archer

like

really well

they probably woulda won if the solars had stayed any longer

[velvet raft]

I really hope they try to reassert this

[tulip folio]

Makes sense. Resistance doesn't quite have that sorta 'I fucking end the fight immediately' that brawl and melee can.

So he's forced to actually Play The Game

[winged swallow]

yeah but the fact that they were being worn down like they were was pretty wild

[tulip folio]

Oh, 100%

Wyld Hunts are like a genuine understandable threat to 90% of solars.

[winged swallow]

yeah

i like that

[tulip folio]

Sure, there's the occasional Invincible Sword Maiden but if you're not an absolute swordtwink or grapplenutter, 5 power rangers turning up is going to result in you losing your teeth.

[winged swallow]

actually means your decision to flare anima and kick ass in like.. places the IO has any presence, is meaningful

[bleak hazel]

the invincible sword princess is a true freak even among Dawns

[winged swallow]

yeah fr

[bleak hazel]

if you can kill five deebs at once out of chargen you can do nothing else, those builds are like "yeah I left off artifact armour because if they can ever hit me reliably I die anyway"

[tulip folio]

A bit of an odd pondering here is working out exactly how far to push their craftsmanship for the Quick Character Jadeborn Soldiers. As 2e could have them all armed with Basic Artifacts but that's really not 3e's style but there also isn't really a lot of 'Exceptional Craftsmanship' that isn't 'It's an artifact'.

That said - just being Veteran Soldier-tier guys with Might 1 and solid mundane gear already makes them 'Scary Battlegroup'

[bleak hazel]

the usual fail state is "initial alpha decisive didn't do enough, deebs get a whole round of attacks, solar is now at low init/motes so they get a whole second round of attacks, fight over"

being beaten on by multiple artifact-bearing exalts with excellencies is usually a fail state

I think I have a Sid build that might be able to take three normal deebs at E3, but it's also pure combat monkey and depends mostly on cheesing Parry and getting basically free excellencies for your rain of crane style counterattacks

there are a decent number of ways around that

[bleak hazel]

yeah, that's already pretty solid - you might give their basic attack Overwhelming 2 to represent cooler-than-mortal weapons, some scarier BGs have that

not hugely impactful if they're getting massive orders because order actions stack so much raw damage, but very relevant if they're autonomous

[tulip folio]

'This is an overwhelming 2 spear' - Enough to already be pretty scary.

I think the big area they'll shine in is non-combat dicepools.

Basicly play up them being uniquely modern style professional soldiers instead of ancient 'we got who we could/whoeever was on hand' by going 'These guys have some pretty generally useful skills like acting as sappers or stealth'

Rather than giving them the Biggest Combat Dicepool Ever

[bleak hazel]

honestly the BOKL and CMOS ones are carrying out of the original seven, some of them are just slightly too odd to be cool lines

like Prismatic, which means stuff but is mostly just gibberish to other people in-setting

the Student Sutra for Border of Kaleidoscopic Logic is the best one, IMO

[tulip folio]

...man, I forgot that crossbows are actually pretty uncommon in creation/they're mostly an autocthonian thing.

Like not unheard of in creation

But not a super common weapon.

[bleak hazel]

they're fairly standard in 3e, 1/2e had this weird thing going on where crossbows were some country's super secret weapon rather than perfectly normal in Imperial Chinarome

[tulip folio]

Autochthon's Blades: Their exceptional training, geomantic enhancement and superior weaponry gives a battlegroup of Unenlightened Soldiers Might 1. Their geomantically blessed weapons are anathema to the Wyld and are treated by Fae as if they were Iron.

There we go. Avoided going too weird with special abilities for the unenlightened ones.

[tulip folio]

There we go. These guys are along with Half-Forged in the 'costs you an extra dot to pick up as troops', as they are better than human soldiers but not like...impossibly good. Actual Exalts can still chop them up just fine.

[prisma sun]

I also feel like "100+ actually very competent soldiers" is very underestimated in terms of helping kill invincible sword princess

[bleak hazel]

big BGs are handy, but they have to be tough lads - zombies or militia are just init break sources

[prisma sun]

Elite troops are tough lads and they're the Realm default

[bleak hazel]

elite troops with a war deeb behind them will fuck almost anything up, Orders are huge

[tulip folio]

Battle-Ready Troops are actually the Realm Default. Elite Troops are a step above that.

[bleak hazel]

I believe Realm legions are mostly Battle-Ready Troops, but those still have 11+ soak in a decent BG, which is enough, generally

archers are good for this

harder to blend and have good accuracy bonuses

[tulip folio]

The difference between Battle Ready and Elite is honestly mostly in attack.

Elite are +1 Parry, +2 soak. Which isn't bad but their big step up is going from 7 dice to hit to 11.

[bleak hazel]

100 elite troops have 13 soak, 10 Magnitude and 14 dice to hit, which is Exalt-level and definitely not really worth ISP's time to get init from unless she has nothing else to hit

deeb war excellency also very good, has free reroll 6s

[prisma sun]

Are Blood Apes the only demon that really works for putting in a battlegroup?

[bleak hazel]

tomescu are also fine

arguably Teodozjia too, but then you need to wrangle an entire battlegroup of Teos

[prisma sun]

I mean more like

Logistically

[bleak hazel]

War deeb with a maxed order pool ordering your elite guard puts them up to 23-ish dice to hit, which will reliably burn lots of motes off ISP and chunk her circle

so yeah, bring good mortals

[prisma sun]

Waking Smith I'm going to have ghosts, zombies, and demons

[bleak hazel]

I think all three of those still work - Tomescu have no particular teamwork issues unless you get the 1/10,000 shiny tomescu that the others are scared of

and Teos are a hive mind, so they work great together

they're just very hard to handle if you don't want dedicated Malfean iconoclasts and preachers as well as combat monsters

all are about as easy to summon as any other

[prisma sun]

I think the only thing Waking Smith would find objectionable would be if they touched his stuff

If they did he's gonna kill em

[bleak hazel]

they are unfortunately very likely going to touch his stuff, even if just passively

they really love burninating

[prisma sun]

And Tomescu are the bug clouds iirc

[bleak hazel]

yeah

they're good lads

[prisma sun]

Oh yeah wait

Blood Apes don't self replicate anymore right

[bleak hazel]

they can reproduce, like many first circles, but new demons are unbound and the binding ritual is part of the summoning ritual, so they're probably going to stay unbound

this is the one problem with Stomach Bottle Bugs, who are otherwise very useful and pretty chill - when they eat enough horrible toxins they split into 2-3 new bugs and now you no longer have a bug

so you need to make sure you send yours back to malfeas and get a new one every so often

[prisma sun]

Damn subscription services

[bleak hazel]

easier to just keep summoning new blood apes every day

[prisma sun]

Man Exalted hates gorillas

What book are the reddit atheist lions in

[bleak hazel]

none in 3e, but one of the current devs did a fan writeup which is where I got that from

https://violetlydreaming.tumblr.com/post/178425617572

[prisma sun]

Hmmm

God killing specialists looks like

So if I were to think of this in terms of match ups it'd be like

Blood Apes vs general mortal armies, Tomescu vs Exalted, and Teodozji vs Spirits?

Also I'm not crazy right. You can bind a ghost that's a necromancer and then have it bind ghosts for you?

[bleak hazel]

pretty sure you can, although there is a rule on Workings that you can't have summoned sorcerers/necromancers do workings for you to skip the XP cost etc.

[prisma sun]

Would that count as a necromantic working?

Wouldn't it just cast Bind Ghost

[winged swallow]

like i guess you could?

[prisma sun]

All of my guys have been social beat sticks or punchy socials

I have to really bite down onto Sorcery or crafting

[next delta]

What if the necromancer goes home before the ghosts do?

[prisma sun]

Ghosts are unbound for a bit, it's probably fine

Just one day a year you might have to kill like a thousand pissed off ghosts

That's what the demons are for

Then when the demons get unbound the ghosts kill those

Rinse repeat

[bleak hazel]

you can absolutely get your new ghostly necromancer to bind ghosts, yeah

although ghostly necromancers are sufficiently rare that locating one should take some effort, if not massive effort for an Exalt

you just can't get them to do Workings for you because that's cheating

(although they do count as Means for your own Working rolls)

[prisma sun]

So if I wanted like

An army of demons

That'd be sorcerous working?

[bleak hazel]

it would normally just be a lot of uses of Summon First Circle, one per day, or a few flunkie sorcerors (hard to get, there is no way to mass-produce sorcerors) but yes, a big working could probably get you a bunch of first circles at once

[prisma sun]

Hmmhmm

[quiet garnet]

Hmm, The Bishop and his Shining Way looks kinda interesting.

[prisma sun]

oh shit right I need to read

Oh, Necromancy can get most Sorcery Spells?

That's good to know

[winged swallow]

yeag

sorcerous and necromantic motes are not interchangeable tho

[prisma sun]

ah and you only get 3 control spells

[winged swallow]

i can’t remember if it mentioned this in the manuscript or not

[winged swallow]

yeag

the control effects are fucken fun tho most of the time

[prisma sun]

Yeah the control effects are sick as hell

[velvet raft]

There is one way to get an extra control of any one tier

A particular hearthstone

Key of Mastery?

[winged swallow]

Field of Fell Dreams has a fun one

“At times, skeletal hands emerge from nearby surfaces or within the necromancer’s attire to aid in simple tasks.”

that’s just the fluffy part of it

[prisma sun]

https://tenor.com/view/steiner-rudolf-rudolf-steiner-biodynamie-biodynamy-gif-18808181

[bleak hazel]

Seat of Deadly Splendor has a fun one too

any chair you sit in becomes a cool bone throne

I actually avoided taking Seat control and Forest of Ivory Razors control because the latter makes any bones around you start growing like vines, and that would get quite inconvenient if it applied to any chair you ever sat in

[winged swallow]

lmfao

be kinda sick tho

[prisma sun]

Does the Eschaton Engine have art?

what do you mean essence 8

[winged swallow]

sec

[prisma sun]

https://tenor.com/view/behemoth-bestiary-final-fantasy-16-final-fantasy-xvi-ff16-gif-13377060800464697109

[bleak hazel]

I admit I imagined it looking more like a giant stone-robot scorpion or something rather than a Really Big Lad

but it's said to swap forms constantly so anything goes

[prisma sun]

Damn okay

So I have to really decide between Craft or Occult Apocalyptic

Wait

Does skipping to Occult 5 let you get the Soreries and Necromancies of higher tiers?

[winged swallow]

no

you can’t use Supernal/Apocalyptic to just instantly gain all sorcery/necromancy tiers

the same restriction applies to Sidereal Martial Arts

[velvet raft]

Sorcery/Necromancy is a specific exception

[winged swallow]

i am glad of the restrictions, frankly

[velvet raft]

Yeah

[winged swallow]

i say this as a solaroid enjoyer

[velvet raft]

E1 solars should not be using Demon of the Third Circle

[winged swallow]

Void/Solar Circle workings

at e1

[prisma sun]

Ah okay

Okay cool Craft it is

Screaming is cool

but making robots is cooler

[winged swallow]

fair enough

i’ll be real, the psionic death wail is enough to make me consider occult apoc sometimes

[prisma sun]

It's really cool

wait what the fuck

Lore just gives you a ki blast?

[wise ocean]

yeah

[bleak hazel]

yeah, most Exalts have some form of mind bullet in Lore or Occult

[prisma sun]

Defaulting someone's onslaught penalty to -2 when the goal is to throw Multitudes of Bastards at people seems really good

[coral wraith]

Unweaving Method go

[tulip folio]

Honestly, I think in terms fo Mind Bullet I think Sids have the best, with Dragonblooded second there.

[prisma sun]

Sids have a mind bullet???

[tulip folio]

Dragonblooded one is a little weaker on a first buy but unlike most of them has extra charms to add onto it, giving you AOE before long.

Unweaving Method. Where they just decide 'Reality says you don't get arms any more' and your body falls apart.

[prisma sun]

Huh

This seems a bit worse than the Abyssal one at least

Since it can't be used against undead

or anyone immune to Wyld exposure

[velvet raft]

It can be, they just do better against it

[prisma sun]

which is also Most Lunars

[winged swallow]

crypt bolt W

[velvet raft]

But it can critically be used with martial arts

[prisma sun]

Wait you can Naruto yourself?

[winged swallow]

hwuh

[velvet raft]

Any martial art usable with a ranged or thrown weapon is compatible with Unweaving

[prisma sun]

https://i.imgur.com/LORP6xR.png

[winged swallow]

ah yes

[coral wraith]

Unweaving Method with one of the Ebon Dragon charms generates like, 5+ extra damage

[prisma sun]

You can put the Nine-Tailed Fox in you

[winged swallow]

one of my faves

[velvet raft]

Which includes some wild stuff like Ebon Shadow, yeah

[coral wraith]

Ebon Shadow* yeah

[prisma sun]

A lot of my reading of Exalted is incomplete because I a lot of abilities lack sauce to me

[velvet raft]

It also notably includes Obsidian Shards of Infinity

Since that’s usable with knives

And knives are thrown weapons

[prisma sun]

Oh

[tulip folio]

Ebon Dragon would be a very different beast. XD

[velvet raft]

So any knife-friendly style is compatible with Unweaving Method

To some truly heinous ends

[fierce star]

i love martial arts so much

[velvet raft]

Sids stay combo-ing

[fierce star]

(hey do any outside the rat/toad/black claw/white veil quadro + citrine poxes inflict poison or disease)

(I ask because my goal with this build is to become a putrid rancid sack of frozen horror spreading venom and ruin whereever I roam)

[velvet raft]

I think that’s it

OH

I think Centipede has something

And maybe Snake?

[tulip folio]

...oh right, I'd not realized that Jadeborn are kinda annoying for an Unweaving Sid. Since even the unenlightened ones are immune to wyld exposure and would get the extra tankiness.

[velvet raft]

That’s why we bring Ebon Shadow XD

[tulip folio]

I guess that makes sense. The guys literally crafted by Autocthon imposing a pattern on them find that pattern hard to remove. XD

[fierce star]

centipede is lunars right

[quiet garnet]

How do the Abyssals fare in exposure to the Wyld?

[coral wraith]

Real

[fierce star]

okay snake styel does... on the capstone

but it doesn't seem to be an actual poison, by the rules?

or... maybe?

it isn't formatted as a poison?

[tulip folio]

About the same as everyone else. They've got charms to handle it but they're not innately resistant.

[prisma sun]

As bad as everyone else unless they have a dot in Lore and get the "Fuck you WYld" charm

Oh, 3 dots

https://i.imgur.com/8hZRk6o.png

[tulip folio]

Lunars are the only ones Innately Resistant

Integrity gives them the 'just me' one.

[fierce star]

and centipede does too

[tulip folio]

But it also extends to non-wyld environmental shaping effects

[fierce star]

so i'll add snake and centipede to the list, lol

[prisma sun]

Also Whispers seems funny

[tulip folio]

Jadeborn Physiology
Despite being earth and stone given form, Jadeborn are treated as living creatures for all purposes. Poison can taint their bodies and they must eat to sustain themselves. However, they only require four hours sleep per day and when they die, they return to the earth. This prevents their body or soul being raised as undead.

Jadeborn are filled with the might of the elemental pole of earth, making them incredibly resistant to the works of the Wyld. They are immune to Wyld Exposure, their unarmed touch is considered by Fae to be Iron and when the Shaping Effect of a Fae would affect them, they can suffer one unsoakable aggravated level of damage to ignore that effect. A Jadeborn with Reality Stabilization Matrix may pay instead apply this to all Shaping Effects.

[prisma sun]

https://i.imgur.com/WeBNabl.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/WeBNabl.png

Hilarious

"Well you see, I'd fight you, but I think you'll have to wait for that"

Slenderman appearing in the corrner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5YBEdFSow8

[winged swallow]

Me: calling forth The Hat Man
The Essence 4 Wyld Hunt pulling up:

[prisma sun]

I also must once again think

how hard would it be to make Kaido into a Lunar

[winged swallow]

kaido?

[prisma sun]

One Piece man

[winged swallow]

ah

[prisma sun]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kocANaM4BuU

Here he is fighting his incredibly powerful trans son who he hates (not for being trans, but for stanning his nemesis)

[winged swallow]

yamato my love

[prisma sun]

Yamato is indeed the best

[winged swallow]

kikunojo also my love

[prisma sun]

My favorite way to dispel the "Is Yamato trans" argument is the fact that Oda would never let someone he perceives as a woman fight the main male antagonist in a dramatic duel.

[winged swallow]

Damn.

[velvet raft]

Snrrk

[prisma sun]

Nightmare-Carving Murmur seems like

stupidly powerful

for being Essence 3

[winged swallow]

yeah that’s solarkin stuff for you

[prisma sun]

Can Solars just decide your country is a lake now

[winged swallow]

solars have to shape the wyld

so

[prisma sun]

Oh

wait

https://i.imgur.com/gS686ed.png

[winged swallow]

abyssals can only shape the underworld

[prisma sun]

"Fuck you mean 'nuh uh'?"

[bleak hazel]

it's a considerably more useful version of Wyld-Shaping Technique

[winged swallow]

“hey miss deathknight, this is where i keep my stuff, can you not make a massive vein of soulsteel with the immediate vicinity and ghostly populace? thanks”

[winged swallow]

and it only takes up like what

a page?

page and a half?

compared to WST which is several pages

[tulip folio]

Alchemicals can just decide your country is a lake

[velvet raft]

The trick is just murder everybody inhabiting it

[tulip folio]

But their version has a week-long gap between rolls, not 1 minute.

As they have to Manually Rebuild It with nanomachine clouds

[prisma sun]

Oh true

[bleak hazel]

Sidereals have Creation-Shaping Technique but it's way smaller

[tulip folio]

I do find it funny that one of the 'this can be done but would take a long tine' thing for Alchs is 'What if we just push our version of an elemental pole somewhere else'.

[prisma sun]

oh no

Abyssal Medicine starts exactly as I imagined it would

[bleak hazel]

sid one

[fierce star]

abyssal medicine is going to be fun on my current abyssal

[prisma sun]

"I diagnose you with cholera"
"I came in for a sore ankle"
"That was your mistake buddy"

[tulip folio]

Oh hey, the sid one is very similar to the alch one.

[velvet raft]

Larceny has some of the Sid Wyld-shaping stuff

[prisma sun]

Also there's no Soulsteel warstriders printed, right?

[wise ocean]

Not that I know of, unless Abyssals added one between draft and release

[fierce star]

oh huh. I just noticed tha tou can't actually add more charms to existing MA styles.

like, explicitly RAW.

[velvet raft]

Yep

MAs are complete by their nature

With rare, rare exceptions

[winged swallow]

but there are...

Secret Techniques