#Exalted

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tulip folio
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Whoops. XD

winged swallow
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sure lol

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if you have questions and such, you can talk em out with me here too haha

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the survey really is for reaching keeping stuff collated from people i don't normally reach out to or in spaces i'm not in

tulip folio
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Mostly I forgot to ramble a bit about craft. How Solar Craft is basicly just 'numbers: The biggening' while other splats get Cool Tricks.

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Like sids can make a meal so nice everyone gets over their issues.

winged swallow
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yes

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this is a gripe many have (i am included)

tulip folio
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Solar craft is so big and so...boring, to be frank. XD

winged swallow
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Solar Craft also has The Perfidious "Salient" Keyword

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which no one else uses

tulip folio
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It's all 'I am now 3% better at this' like you're playing daiklaive clicker. XD

winged swallow
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lol

tulip folio
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I love Sid craft for being so different to that.

winged swallow
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i'm very fond of Abyssal Craft for making you Sauron

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and i'm a huge Infernals enjoyer, so I'm curious to see what is done for them

tulip folio
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I am a huge fan of Infernals so I'm kinda in a bit of tension there as I imagine a chunk of what I did like won't return but I'm hopeful it keeps the vibes.

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I love my hammy complete fucking mess exalts.

winged swallow
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i'm very interested in Soul Pantheons and Inner Worlds

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the esotericism is what draws me to them

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and i'm a sucker for Hellish Revolutionaries

tulip folio
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The big thing that works for me is how they were defined by failure. I'm a huge fan of Personal Flaws.

winged swallow
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yeah

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i did enjoy that exaltation condition

tulip folio
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And Infernals being someone who could have achieved greatness but was dragged down not due to external factors but due to their own personal issues really sung for me.

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Ironically for being an undead guy, Lord Soth is sorta my goto 'perfect example of what makes an infernal an infernal'.

winged swallow
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i enjoy "failing because the world held them down" too, admittedly

tulip folio
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Someone who was genuinely great but wasn't great enough to overcome his own flaws.

winged swallow
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i wanna see the new team cook up Adorjan and Ebon Dragon flavored charms real bad

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i need em

tulip folio
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I really hope they keep the acts of villiany as the ways to purge limit. My issue with limit has always been it's generally very external.

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A meter that builds up until it overwhelms you and you act badly.

winged swallow
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yeah i enjoyed that abyssals and sidereals have ways to vent limit

tulip folio
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acts of villiany going 'Hey, how about you choose to do something you know isn't a good idea?' really puts a lot more on the player.

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And helps make it feel more personal

winged swallow
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i doubt it'll be acts of villainy anymore

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since the flavor has changed

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but i do figure they'll keep a limit vent

tulip folio
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Let me put people in death traps for limit venting devs ;-;

winged swallow
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abyssals can vent limit by just doing a little blight/stigmata/corruption/etc.

tulip folio
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I've got an Abyssal sitting about to play that is fun. She's at like...negative 5 dice for disguise...but that's part of the fun. XD

winged swallow
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NEVERBORN: "here's a free intimacy of contempt for all life"
ABYSSAL: "I... didn't want this."

winged swallow
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Giant + Death's Unholy Visage

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10ft tall beauty in soulsteel plate

bleak hazel
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Damn, someone should give Harrow a Sword-Queen's Foretold Blade, solves that problem straight up

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Wait you could use that charm to make a Perry the Platypus hat, couldn't you

winged swallow
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harrow only has -3 to Disguise now lol, since she's way more focused on Murdering All Sinners

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rather than dipping into trying to convince them to repent

tulip folio
bleak hazel
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"a Deathknight Errant?"
comically small domino mask removed
"Harrow the Deathknight Errant?!"

winged swallow
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harrow's artifact armor plays into a similar-ish theme at its capstone

tulip folio
winged swallow
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your identity is perfectly concealed within the mien of the Unnamed Hero

bleak hazel
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Resplendent Destinies only actually get you a -3 to enemy attempts to see through disguise but they just make it illegal to suspect you much of the time anyway

winged swallow
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that's all people see you as

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of course it's an e5 evocation

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and does more than just that

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but i didn't want to make it too easy to replicate a resplendent destiny, since that's one of sidereals' cool things

tulip folio
winged swallow
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dullahandshake

bleak hazel
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The GM is obligated to provide a warning if you're about to break character

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but if you use SQFB to give an RD to your good pal the Abyssal it provokes no cover checks

tulip folio
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Nice. Tomb is Resistance Apocolyptic 100% for the 'I have a command grab' resistance chain charms. XD

bleak hazel
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so it'll just be indestructible as long as the artifact lasts even if a couple of people eventually connect the two identities

winged swallow
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Armor-and-Chain Mortification and its upgrades/add-ons are truly one of my favorite parts of Abyssal Resistance

tulip folio
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They really do wonders in making resistance feel less...passive.

winged swallow
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yeah

coral wraith
winged swallow
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i might.. post my artifact homebrew in here sometime too

errant knot
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I'll be giving this a readthrough. Solar craft charms are

winged swallow
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Nightmarish?

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Miserable?

errant knot
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getting a picture

coral wraith
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ghastly

errant knot
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a sin

coral wraith
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works

winged swallow
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i pretend i do not see it

tulip folio
winged swallow
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i wouldn't say it's better lol

errant knot
winged swallow
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most of my homebrew is co-written with ashley

errant knot
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here's Lunars for comparison

winged swallow
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lunars my leove

bleak hazel
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I actually have an interesting artifact to design at some point, which is Rival's crane style themed sword that I'd like to have a few interesting auto unlock permanents with little minor effects rather than big moves

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Not sure how to do that

tulip folio
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Also: Man, I'm shocked by how well just a few minor changes improved the Lover Clad In Raiment of Tears. In 2e she was on my 'list to never touch' deathlord-wise but in 3e I actively tied my Sidereal and her artifacts into the Lover because she's so much more fun now. XD

errant knot
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FIFTY EIGHT CHARMS

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that's too many to do fucking crafting

bleak hazel
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I think she actually got the survival tree in the abyssal book, judging by all the ice princess stuff it has

errant knot
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vs 20 for Lunars

tulip folio
winged swallow
errant knot
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seriously

bleak hazel
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The thing about Solar Craft is that only eleven of those charms are real

winged swallow
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<- big Black Heron enjoyer

coral wraith
bleak hazel
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You care about a very particular set of dice tricks, the artifact speeder upper/craftsman needs no tools and Sublime Transference, which secretly costs 24xp because it has a bunch of irrelevant prereqs

tulip folio
bleak hazel
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luckily those are cancelled out by a different solar craft charm that just gives you three charms for the price of one

winged swallow
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evil disney ice queen is a much cooler like

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flavor

bleak hazel
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It's incredible when the authors see they massively overdid the tree and then decide to start adding charms to give you free XP rather than condensing the many tiny useless ones already there

tulip folio
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Whirling Snowflake (••••)

Starmetal Reaper Daiklaive
When the Lover's Deathknights came for the Yun Clan, they spread poison. They spoke of the emptiness of life and the death of love. How the god they had sworn themselves to was a coward, that her gentle snowflakes would shatter and flee in the face of pyreflame. They had good reason to believe such, for Whirling Snowflake was a very minor goddess, barely more than a local elemental. She helped ease the cold and dark of winter but was not a war goddess, she could not hope to oppose such a foe.

Despite that, however, she would not abandon her people. She brought avalanches crashing down upon their armies of the dead, drawing deeper and deeper on power she did not have until her body broke apart under her. Even the bleak sorcery of the Lover herself was forced backwards, the raw might of oblivion breaking on the rocks of her deep care for her people. However, she could not last forever. 

The laughing deathknight brought her shattered form before her clan and spilled her icy blood in front of them. To his shock, rather than destroying their faith, it galvanized the clan. The Yun clan is no more but those that knew of them say that not a single one bowed before the Lover Clad In Raiment of Tears.

Whirling Snowflake is a hilt without a blade, seemingly useless. When drawn by an attuned wielder, a blade of ice and snow forms, as fragile as its namesake but refusing to break no matter the pressure brought upon it.

Creatures of Darkness are always Dissonant with Whirling Snowflake.

As said, I made her related to my Sid's artifacts, the poor sid being from one of the many clans up north her deathknights are spreading through.

Also to give Glacier Jade just the Most Wuxia Backstory I Could.

bleak hazel
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The devil on my shoulder is telling me to add an appendix to the craft guide that rewrites and tightens up the base crafting rules and I just know that'll take forever

winged swallow
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is it cool if i can ask to have the reforging survey link pinned lol

bleak hazel
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a couple of simple houserules make it way better but I'd really want to eliminate Silver Points and that's more of a hassle

winged swallow
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just because i know my silly ass is likely to yap about other exalted stuff forever, and it WILL get buried

tulip folio
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You'd need to talk to a moderator. Wait, I'm a moderator. XD

winged swallow
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holy shit

tulip folio
winged swallow
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thank ye

bleak hazel
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Exalted Celebrimbor should not have to make arrowheads for an evening to make a hammer to forge the three rings, although having to do stuff other than legendary wonders is fine on its own merits

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"do normal projects to get gold juice to make artifacts to get white juice" is quite complicated enough

winged swallow
bleak hazel
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I had an interesting discussion about the Alch charm that turns white XP into splat XP for evocations at a 1-1 ratio and someone pointed out that it could be made so much less annoying in ways I might like to steal

tulip folio
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imo, I feel like if I ever did anything with redoing crafting I'd likely make it tied more into Solving Problems with crafting than What, Literally, Did You Make. There's a little of that right now but it's mostly focused on 'How many swords did you put in the pile'.

bleak hazel
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I actually think it's quite good for that

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but I am sufficiently spreadsheet brained that updating three columns of figures when I do a craft roll is a nice tickbox exercise rather than suffering

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It has a built-in anti-spam feature, which is good, it just then undermines it by mandating two layers of mundane craft, one of which should be stunts or background fluff

tulip folio
winged swallow
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god damn it, i defined it in the old version

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good catch

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there we go

tulip folio
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Ah, yeah. That makes sense. Very fun!

winged swallow
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it's very much an deathknight-errant's armor

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one who's going more antihero with it

tulip folio
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I did some soulsteel silken armour myself, though it's for an Alchemical, not an Abyssal.

bleak hazel
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oh yeah I need to write up Crimson's light armour for when he eventually makes it

tulip folio
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Innocent Oblivion (••••)
Soulsteel Silk Armour

When Erlik became the Apostate Metropolis, they did not do so alone. The lifeblood and internal health of the city, its leaders, were some of the first to be corrupted. It was the Lector-Preachers that preached bleak words of private pleasure over public good and the Plutarchs who hid the signs of apostasy, sure they would be rewarded with a place of renown in the coming world.

Instead, the roaches were the first to be led to the slaughter, their souls flayed from their bodies even as they spoke of the greatness before them. These souls were fashioned into spikes and knives with which to continue their abuse of the people they had sworn to serve.

Innocent Oblivion is soulsteel woven so fine as to be thread and sown into Hanfu reminiscent of an official or priest. Each thread is the life of an innocent of Erlik, cut short by the soulsteel that was once their Olgatory and Theomachracy. They give off a sense of lost innocence and the duty of those who served, unaware they had already been betrayed.
winged swallow
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peak

bleak hazel
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which will be a minute because he's just gotten started and he actually has so many downtime things to do that I haven't been able to fit them all in

tulip folio
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It's for Righteous Restoration of Industry (RiRi for short), my Alchemical Necromancer.

bleak hazel
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He needs to cast Shade Summoning Conscription for free lackeys, make his necromantic shaping ritual effigies, take a bath in human blood and build some exceptional crafting tools for his three major disciplines

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Crimson has more chores to do in game than I do in real life

tulip folio
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@sinful cave did art for RiRi. She's exactly 150cm, so she's a Tiny Exalt.

riri_ikiryo_comm.jpg
bleak hazel
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Alchlet

winged swallow
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oh moid, you produce peak

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i love you riri

merry arch
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obsessed with her platforms

tulip folio
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Moid's going to be putting together some little stickers of her face in various expressions that will be fun to use in the game. XD

winged swallow
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i gotta finish my harrow art soon

bleak hazel
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Standing her next to Crimson at NecroCon purely because he's very tall by normal human standards, he's 6' 5"

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He's the second shortest person in the party because there are so many Giant merits

winged swallow
tulip folio
# merry arch obsessed with her platforms

RiRi was very carefully designed by Divine Minister Ku to be as Not Scary as possible because it's an attempt to try and see if normal non-apostate achemical necromancers are feasible and being big and scary would be...not great for that.

merry arch
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understood she's serving a magnitude 9.9 cuntquake

winged swallow
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lmfao

tulip folio
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Intimacies
Defining: The Dead Are Part Of Our Community (Principle), Autochthon (Faithful Hope)
Major: Most Divine Ministers (Positive Tie, Awed Respect), Divine Minister Ku (Negative Tie, Exasperation), I Am Not A Monster (Principle), Spellcraft (Positive Tie, Joy), It's In Everyone's Best Interests To Be The Best Version Of Themselves For Their Role (Principle)
Minor: Half-Forged (Negative Tie, Horror), Food (Positive Tie, Comfort), Tunnel People (Positive Tie, Sympathy)
tulip folio
bleak hazel
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Oh god the necromancer is going all Confucian

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I forgot to finish Crimson's intimacies, I will do those in the morning

winged swallow
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thanks lol

tulip folio
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Rogue Cell Isolation Protocols
Cost: 4m; Mins: Manipulation 2, Essence 1
Type: Supplemental
Keywords: None
Duration: Instant
Prerequisite Charms: None
The Alchemical’s eyes are rimmed with chrome and soulsteel plating, turning her steely gaze into a hall of mirrors filled with tortured souls.

The Alchemical doubles 9s on an instill roll to weaken an Intimacy that conflicts with a character’s responsibilities, duties, or social position within a group or community. She converts bonus dice from Transpuissant Manipulation Upgrade to automatic successes. She can’t weaken positive Ties to communities she serves.

If the Alchemical succeeds, affected characters can’t voluntarily strengthen the targeted Intimacy until the next time they regain Willpower from resting.
winged swallow
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Alchemical Manipulation tree is crazy

tulip folio
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She's mostly the friendly sort of alch but yeah, the alch manipulation tree lets them be real scary. XD

winged swallow
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i can sum up a lot of harrow's character in one easy principle

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Defining Principle: My fury is justified. My anger is pure.

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related back to alchemicals

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if i had a penny for every orichalcum i knew who was designed cute as hell

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i'd have two pennies

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which i'm delighted has happened this often

tulip folio
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Nice. I think it's one of Glacier Jade's (My Sid) Major's that is the most 'giving a vibe for her'. She's got defining hate of the lover but her general day to day self is:

Major Intimacies
Strong Opponents (Excitement)
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She's got a terminal case of Gokubrain

winged swallow
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real

tulip folio
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Which has led to the hillarity of countering 'Name an intimacy directly related to this fight or stop it' with 'I LIKE FIGHTING'

winged swallow
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lmao

tulip folio
winged swallow
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harrow has like.. a bunch of intimacies relating to the shit they want to be doing, and they're also Integrity Favored, so trying to her to stop Hunting Down Sinners is real difficult

bleak hazel
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I Like Fighting is a very good intimacy for Sids, they've got that Heroic Essence Replenishment

winged swallow
bleak hazel
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The more Goku brain you have, the more motes you have

winged swallow
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although, my moonsilver caste's player made his alch normal sized

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the jade caste is like.

tulip folio
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shock

winged swallow
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fantasy dwarf but Tekken JACK built

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the orichalcum is normal-sized but also Cute

bleak hazel
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My alch NPC is roughly height and width but he does have four arms, so he looks very deep because he has one pair folded in front of him and one pair folded behind him when he's leaning against a wall slacking off, which is often

tulip folio
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RiRi can fight (She is a martial artist) but she'd rather not. If she has to fight her primary plan is well...

Ghost-Lit Duty
Cost: —; Mins: Essence 1
Type: Permanent
Keywords: None
Duration: Permanent
Prerequisites: Raise the Skeletal Horde
Under the ghostflame light of Innocent Oblivion, the dead rise again to defend what they did in life.

When you Raise the Skeletal Horde, instead of Zombies, you can instead raise Ghouls. Ghouls are treated as Militia, except they are Mindless and Undead. When you raise multiple Size worth of zombies, you can divide the raised undead among any type of undead you can create.

See Her Artifact

bleak hazel
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Adamant caste trained by top lazybones operatives of the Division of Journeys to lean against the wall smoking whenever possible

winged swallow
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i have one big Exalt, and it's Harrow. who is the biggest the Giant Merit allows you to be

winged swallow
winged swallow
bleak hazel
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Oh hey, Iki, the new Alch book has a statblock for Corpse Soldiers

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which are just zombies upgraded to be worth something as light infantry

tulip folio
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Oh, that's handy. I'll need to check that out.

bleak hazel
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you may want to compare and/or steal that

tulip folio
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Oh god, I forgot I literally included 'God forbidden women have hobbies' for Ivory's intimacies towards her deathlord (Another abyssal of mine. From 2e but I used her as a testbed for building them in 3e).

winged swallow
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Circling briefly back to the entire reason i rejoined the server: once the survey has at least 10 responses, i will actually sit down and Begin Creating Shit. this is not to say 10 is a cap, but rather a threshold. more input is always welcome beyond this.

wise ocean
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the intimacies for both of my characters are weird because they're both complete freaks

winged swallow
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we are presently at 8 responses

wise ocean
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One of them thinks that people who can't challenge them in direct combat aren't self-actualized and therefore not real, while the other things that the only truth is what people by majority agree upon and that there is no valid objective reference point for anything

tulip folio
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Defining
Princess Magnificent (Positive Tie, Sol Forbid Women Have Hobbies)
bleak hazel
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After the first time my zombie BG was casually farmed for init breaks I decided that zombies are not fit to be good meat walls without some soak upgrades and relegsted them to tying down other BGs, offscreen swarm work and carrying stuff

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Zombies are really good at carrying stuff

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Most premodern armies would kill for land porters that don't need to stop or eat

tulip folio
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I kinda played careful by going 'X but mindless and undead' but something custom-made is likely better for it

bleak hazel
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in the end we had the world's shittiest motorised infantry, regular dudes sitting in wagons pulled by zombies

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only a few, though, since they still couldn't move at night

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I'll have to see if ghosts have night vision

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the big dog things probably do, at least

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Morghasts or whatever they're called

tulip folio
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There are Good Boy Ghost Dogs in one of the books.

winged swallow
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Gravehounds

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og harrow was gonna have one as a familiar at one point

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it is interesting to see that most people have ended up skewed towards Supernal should be (Essence + 1) rather than just Essence 5 for purchases/repurchases/milestones.

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(Essence + 2) has had a couple votes, and we've had one "leave it alone and focus on fixing the charms"

dense verge
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hello glory

winged swallow
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hello bees

dense verge
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im pretty sure i did the survey but its good to see it here

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solar craft and the base crafting system trained me to ignore craft entirely so i was shocked when i looked at sidereal craft charms and they did things

tulip folio
dense verge
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interesting things even!

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solar supernal is neat in concept, but, completely breaks the power curve as-implemented

tulip folio
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Also: Some abilities don't go all the way to E5 which feels weird for supernal's basic concept. XD

dense verge
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a surprising amount of solar trees just dont do E5, and even E4 sometimes

tulip folio
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Like obviously you don't have to go all the way to E5 but you'd think with the 'You can buy up to E5 charms' mechanic, you'd have...E5 charms for every ability, not just some of them.

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If that remotely makes sense?

dense verge
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yea

tulip folio
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On that topic: I should look more into Abyssal Survival.

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As Glacier Jade's artifact needs more 'do cool things with snow and ice' evocations.

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And 'snow princess' is one of the abyssal survival things. Might inspire some ideas.

winged swallow
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several trees end at e3

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i did contemplate a different supernal mechanic entirely

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which was that some native charms had supernal effect riders

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namely the intro charms, middle of the tree charms, and then the capstones

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rather than just “yeah you can have a capstone at chargen” it was meant to be “your supernal intro charms compared to a non-supernal’s use of them is visibly more Special”

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but it had its problems

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like Supernal Martial Arts

tulip folio
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It's much later in the lint but I think, had it existed back then, something like the Submodules for alch charms could have been fun there.

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So you have like 'You can buy submodules of any essence value'

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Instead of opening up the entire charmtree, you open up the 'make some cool adjustments to your existing charms' early.

winged swallow
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not a bad shout

tulip folio
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But that does still run into 'supernal martial arts' issues.

errant knot
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I think the other thing about crafting is how horrid it is to have them be different skill tracks rather than just unlocking via a specialty

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I had that typed up a while ago and then had many Troubles so I wanted to finish it out lol

tulip folio
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Yeah, I was really grateful my GM just treated different crafting skills like Lore Backgrounds.

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So you've got:
Craft ***

winged swallow
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alright but Lore Backgrounds have Their Own Problems

tulip folio
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And then Craft Background - Blacksmith etc

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That's fair

winged swallow
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(Not Well Defined)

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this isn’t me saying That’s A Bad Idea

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on the contrary i think it’s pretty decent

tulip folio
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Oh yeah, I 100% get what you mean though.

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It's quite easy to have a lore background you could argue applies to Everything.

winged swallow
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but Lore suffers a lot because it uses Topic, Specialty, Background, and more to talk about stuff

tulip folio
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'I studied at the Heptogram, I should likely know everything about the realm, and demons, and history and magic and...'

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etc

winged swallow
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true

tulip folio
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I do think areas like that it would be great to have more sidebars with GM advice about what is and isn't acceptable.

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Peeks behind the curtain are great for helping get people on the same page

errant knot
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there was an attempt by someone years ago now to rework crafting

winged swallow
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reworking exalted mechanics is a time-honored tradition

errant knot
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lemme see if I can find it

tulip folio
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I've mostly just been updating some old favorite martial arts. XD

errant knot
winged swallow
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i have a personal project that is just reformatting pre-Many Faced Strangers/Charting Fate’s Course Martial Arts

tulip folio
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I was a bit worried with the mention of some new martial arts coming out but luckily none of the ones I did homebrew updates of made it to 3e yet. XD

errant knot
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it bothers me that there's only one fighting style that makes use of a regular sword, but 5 (that I have access to) that use Seven Section staves

winged swallow
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Violet Bier of Sorrows, you mean so much to me

errant knot
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it feels like the solars book martial arts are really restrictive when it comes to what weapons they allow, but later books are a lot more lax

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except for things like the Immaculate martial arts, but they're extremely regimented styles that have very specific schools that teach them

winged swallow
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i wish there were more styles open to greatsword

errant knot
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word

winged swallow
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like we have several that use scythes

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but one that uses Greatsword

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bwuh

errant knot
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god I really wanna read through abyssals, see what martial arts they have 👁️ 👁️

winged swallow
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Hungry Ghost Style is fun

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and ofc

errant knot
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that sounds cool

winged swallow
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who could forget the love of my goth heart

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Albicant Sepulcher of Extinction Style

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a Sidereal Martial Art with the core principle of Oblivion

errant knot
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I instantly saw that in super bloody font in front of a goth anime character

winged swallow
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:3

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aforementioned dusk caste of mine is gearing up to learn it

errant knot
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😮 where is that from, anyway?

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I don't think it's in the sidereals book

winged swallow
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Abyssals

merry arch
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abyssal book, taught by Bishop of the Chalcedony Thurible

errant knot
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they get sidereal styles too?

tulip folio
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I've got a greatsword one that's nearly finished. Just gotta finish fluffing it up. It's based on Isiodoros.

winged swallow
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it is, in essence, the SMA that is as much meant for the Abyssals as it is for the Sidereals

errant knot
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sick

velvet raft
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Just left my survey response, I'm gonna give myself away and say that I think Solars could stand to have unique mechanics related to Merits and/or Intimacies

winged swallow
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however

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the latter three require a Sidereal teacher

tulip folio
# 
Event Horizon Grip
Cost: 3m; Mins: Martial Arts 4, Essence 2
Type: Reflexive
Keywords: Terrestrial
Duration: Instant
Prerequisite Charms: Unstoppable Boar Charge
The Black Boar's sheer presence dominates space around him. Even if they are beneath his notice, they are drawn irresistibly under his hooves.

When an enemy would enter or leave Close Range with the martial artist, she can attempt to halt them with a swell of her internal energy. The enemy must make a successful disengage, opposing the Martial Artist's (Strength + Athletics) roll or the movement is halted. If the movement already required a roll (Such as an attempt to Disengage mundanely), it is made with a (Higher of 3 or Martial Artist's Essence) dice penalty.

Terrestrial: Legendary Size characters cannot be halted by this charm.
velvet raft
#

Infernals historically didn't get SMA

winged swallow
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or the Bishop in the case of ASOE

errant knot
#

oh I meant more in that they get them in their own book

winged swallow
#

well this one is special

tulip folio
#

Infernal historically got to be Absolute King Shit Of Sorcery though.

winged swallow
#

it is the only SMA that allows a non-Sidereal to gain Enlightenment bonuses

velvet raft
#

If they learn all of the charms in Chalcedony, they can get Enlightenment bonuses

winged swallow
#

thus far

velvet raft
#

Abyssals, that is

winged swallow
#

i don’t imagine they will do many of these

errant knot
winged swallow
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as it steals the fun from a lotta Sidereal stuff

winged swallow
velvet raft
#

Solars as blinding, overwhelming, causing the world to revolve around them for better or worse

#

And whether or not the Solar likes it, to some degree?

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Oh, one thing I forgot to put in the survey: I think there should be fewer of them

tulip folio
# winged swallow ohoho okay

It's designed to be basicly 'I am an unstoppable object'. It's not the Absolute Killiest but it's relentless and Smashy.

# 
Black Hole Body
Cost: 4m; Mins: Martial Arts 4, Essence 2
Type: Reflexive
Keywords: None
Duration: Indefinite
Prerequisite Charms: Rex Frame Form
Those who strike the boar find that there is no flesh to cut, merely relentless power.

The Martial Artist may ignore one Crippling or Shaping effect that would affect her body. This will not cure it but will allow one to ignore even the most grievous effects, forming limbs of dark essence to replace those reduced to pulp by deadly blows or unmade from existence by powerful sorcery.
winged swallow
#

i am not in the business of defining numbers of exaltations that exist, i’ll state that now

velvet raft
#

Fair

winged swallow
#

i appreciate the ethos behind 3e being vague with stuff

tulip folio
#

Sidereal thinks there should be less solars, news at 11 😛

winged swallow
#

and i would like to keep that going as far as the worldbuilding stuff goes

velvet raft
#

Well, I mean like the ratio of Solars:Abyssals:Infernals feels off to me these days

#

But that's fair

tulip folio
#

Honestly I think that they could have gone fully into 'not defining numbers for any exalt type'

winged swallow
#

real

merry arch
#

yeah I don't care to know because then it becomes something you have to take into account and consider with your worldbuilding because it's fucking established

winged swallow
#

10000 Deathknights Stand As 10000 Deathknights Because Well

#

:)

#

world of abyssals now

tulip folio
#

Sids getting a hard number is more a limitation than a good strength in writing.

#

As you could genuinely Run Out Of Sids Of A Type for NPCs with how low their numbers are.

merry arch
#

that sorta shit drives me nuts 😭

tulip folio
#

'Look, between the party and your established contacts we have filled out like 1/4 of Battles'

dense verge
merry arch
#

completely unnecessary information that honestly only hinders

dense verge
#

5% of Endings at least is rogue from the Bureau

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i am of the track of only sorta having numbers, DBs are in the tens of thousands, celestials are in the hundreds

tulip folio
# dense verge 5% of Endings at least is rogue from the Bureau 
"Average Endings Sideral has a 1/20 chance of going rogue" factoid actualy just statistical error. Average Endings Sid is entirely loyal. Rakan Thulio who lives in Old Heaven & commits over 10,000 heresies an hour, is an outlier and should not have been counted.
velvet raft
#

It could also have a sort of general baseline number but sometimes there are more or less for reasons nobody understands (if Lytek knows he's not telling).

dense verge
#

there's effectively been a maximum of 19 endings sids for the last thousands of years because of rakan thulio, if the hard 100 cap is kept

velvet raft
#

Yeeeeah Thulio and the Getimians are a whole bag of worms

#

With Sids in particular I do like it being a very small club, if only because by dint of Arcane Fate it means Sids are stuck with this small group of people similar to them. Hell is other people and all that.

dense verge
#

sids should be small enough in number that everyone kind of knows and is aware of each other, i agree

velvet raft
#

And can plausibly run out of people to be friends with, which forces a kind of horrid tolerance of the only people in the world who understand your situation.

errant knot
#

still, maximum of 100 people is still pretty tiny

#

it is nice and round though

winged swallow
#

“sure we are diametrically opposed on what we should do with creation, but we are also gonna gather for tea and snacks this weekend.”

velvet raft
#

Yeah

#

I'm civil service-brained

errant knot
#

I suppose then that makes a party of all-brand new sids something of a major event

#

with lifespans of 3-5000 years, it means you've not only known everyone in your community, you've known them for many centuries

velvet raft
#

And I like that sids have civil servant vibes

errant knot
#

so 3-6 brand new people dying and joining all at once is a major thing

velvet raft
#

For sids it's a little more complicated because sid exaltations are destined from birth

#

Just usually unidentified until they happen

#

But sure, there could be 105 or 110 or 120 sids at any given historical moment, and nobody knows why but it's not a big deal to find the 101st sidereal except in the sense that Oh Hey You Found An Extra Sidereal Maybe We'll Be Less Overloaded

tulip folio
#

'The maidens work in myserious ways' - A sid pissy he doesn't know why it happens.

velvet raft
#

"Hey Lytek can you give us a few extra sids"
"You ask me this every few decades Ketchup"

#

But yeah, I can see the virtue in not having hard caps, exactly, so it's impossible for everyone to ever be present and accounted for

errant knot
#

now I want to spend some time making an excel chart of all the martial arts to see which ones use which weapons

velvet raft
#

Razor Claws, Seven-Section Staves, and knives have a lot of representation

tulip folio
#

Knives turn up pretty solidly. I found that out when I went through them for a Sid idea.

#

As Unweaving can use any martial art that uses any ranged weapon.

#

And knives are thrown

#

With there being zero martial arts that use bows or crossbows (No wood dragon, you don't count. You can't shoot the bow), your options there are 'knife martial arts' and 'chakram martial arts'

velvet raft
#

Yeah, I was looking for the same reason

tulip folio
#

theoretically firedust weapon martial arts

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But they care too much about the firedust part

chilly sluice
#

No bow MA has really surprised me

#

I really figured there would have been something

tulip folio
#

I feel like there's a lot of room for a solid 'do trick shots' ranged martial art.

#

Bow Clash would be very fun too, as you just Robin Hood the incoming arrow, splitting it in half.

chilly sluice
#

Still wonder if it would be fine to just let Wood Dragon work with bows in general

tulip folio
#

I think it would be a notably more powerful martial art as aiming is important for ranged weapons and its all about aiming.

#

that said wood dragon also has a lot of chaff to it right now

#

So it might need the help.

#

Its healing is remarkably poor for a life/soul/healing-themed martial art .

prisma sun
#

I gotta look up the Solar charm list to do this questionaire

winged swallow
#

oh hi alaen

#

long time no see

chilly sluice
#

Hey Glory

winged swallow
prisma sun
#

I am going to quickly jot this down here so I don't forget: Light, Banishment, Sacrifice, Humility, Hubris. They should more embody the ideals of the Unconquered Sun.
Lights Among Sorrows

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Oh I ain't doing it now

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me go bed

winged swallow
#

even so

winged swallow
tulip folio
#

I think my big concern about 'Letting wood dragon work with bows at range too' is sorta - The areas where wood dragon is good would really like that and the areas where wood dragon is really naff don't really care about attacking.

#

If that makes sense?

#

It would help one of the worse immaculate arts but it wouldn't do so by helping its issues so much as just having the issues continue to exist but now its good charms are even better.

velvet raft
#

And feels wrong given it has a bunch of charms about Very Precise Targeting

prisma sun
#

Wood Dragon should just let you do both

velvet raft
#

Yes

#

Like Air does

tulip folio
#

Agreed. I don't think it's a bad idea, so much as 'wood dragon's biggest mechanical issues are more tied to the other charms'.

bleak hazel
#

Conveniently someone on the Exalted discord already did this

graceful geode
#

Hmmmmm

bleak hazel
graceful geode
#

Is this encoded binaric data?

tulip folio
# bleak hazel

I'm starting to thnk some weapons got cheated here. XD

#

Tiger Claws/Seven Section Staff: "FEED ME MARTIAL ARTS."

winged swallow
#

think we just need ooooone more survey result and then we can begin

prisma sun
#

I didn't know Solars had a Performance Charm that makes all Performance charms free for one performance

#

what the fuck

winged swallow
#

yeag

prisma sun
winged swallow
#

o waow

#

lets see here

#

Uni-resonance with Orichalcum and Supernal (Essence+1) have won out pretty handily.

#

some interesting ideas in here for sure

prisma sun
#

My version of Supernal is mostly "I think each ability should have 1-2 Supernal charms that you get at base that scale with you and serve as your Iconic charms"

winged swallow
#

this was similar to an idea i had for supernal

#

where certain charms had Supernal keyword, and a rider effect

#

the problem is, however

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Supernal Martial Arts

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among some other smaller things

prisma sun
#

Supernal Martial Arts?

winged swallow
#

yes?

prisma sun
#

Oh, going Supernal in martial arts

winged swallow
#

yeah

#

i realize how that can be misconstrued now

#

lol

prisma sun
#

I mean you can just Not Let Them Do That

winged swallow
#

i thought about that, admittedly

prisma sun
#

I think a Solar already has enough benefits to doing Martial Arts that they don't really need supernal on top of it

#

Or you can just have a Sidereal-style "here's a charm that buffs martial arts"

winged swallow
#

it certainly veers away from the Skill themes and encourages specializing more

#

i’m hesitant about that

#

martial arts coolness is kinda the sidereals’ shtick, y’know?

#

they have almost-entirely versatile keyworded combat trees

prisma sun
#

I know

#

but Solars also have the shtick of doing other people's shticks

winged swallow
#

i don’t think this should be encouraged, imo

#

i am still feeling compelled to remove the martial arts ability from the list of potential supernals though, admittedly

#

learn styles like the rest of us

#

unrelated

#

fascinated by the spread on the subtitles question

#

Tarnished Yet Unconquered still leads with 40%
Heralds of a New Dawn and To Mend What Was Broken are both at 20%
and two custom inputs of Lights Among Sorrows and feeling like Heralds of a New Dawn is almost there but not quite, both at 10%

#

fun to see, Tarnished Yet Unconquered was easily the 50+% winner for awhile there

#

largely a strong support for “Make those past lives a bigger deal”

#

it’ll be interestin’ to figure out how to do that lol

mighty rover
#

i do like Heralds of a New Dawn

bleak hazel
#

taking MA off the Supernals list does mean that Dawns are now encouraged to actively avoid martial arts because their native combat abilities let them use their big fancy character deal, or alternatively they end up heavily into Dodge/Resistance rather than their combat ability - I think they can keep that, there's a fairly stable existing dynamic where they're the best martial artists at lower essence and then Sids catch up around E3 with Enlightenment + Versatile coming online and their first styles finishing off to get perma-mastery

prisma sun
#

My argument against it is you can't Dawn when Dawn is a character option

#

makes them seem like the Main Characters (which they kinda are but I don't think that's a good thing)

winged swallow
#

📝

mighty rover
prisma sun
#

And I feel like Heirs of the Shogun is better for that reason

winged swallow
prisma sun
#

Fire Aspect Deebs

winged swallow
#

i feel a lil confused as to what’s bein’ discussed but that might just be the grogginess lol

#

aha

#

okay, i see now

prisma sun
#

I'm saying Dawn shouldn't be used in the title because Dawn's are a character option

#

and already hog a bit of spotlight

winged swallow
#

right! yes, that’s not a bad shout either

#

reminds me how i made a note for myself on charm flavor to not do so much dawn and dawn-related text

#

ah, i just remembered a question i forgot to include

#

gotta have handles for the contributor's list

#

so uh, if you've already answered the survey, feel free to ping me with what you wanna be listed as

#

so your contributions can be immortalized in my fuckass passion project

#

another question for my exaltheads, how do we largely feel about the flavor of the Solar castes as they are now?

prisma sun
#

I don't like the Night caste

#

that's not the sun you fool

#

that's the Moon

#

Luna's right there

winged swallow
#

☝️ 🤓 erm, ackchually, the night is the purview of the Abyssals if you think about it

#

i kid

#

though i do like Abyssals as the Night as a whole (but then we have to point at the Day Caste and go "what's up with this little freak")

#

what would you replace Night Caste with then, i'm curious now?

bleak hazel
#

I feel the castes are pretty much core to the whole deal right now, no need to mess with them

#

and the symmetry between the Solar, Abyssal and Infernal castes is neat

winged swallow
#

and what about the flavor of the castes?

#

you still think it's alright?

bleak hazel
#

I don't really have a problem with any of the Solar lore, except in a few places where the charmtext goes a bit wild with the written equivalent of jerkoff motions

winged swallow
#

i am gonna change up who gets yapped at by sol tho

#

which is to say

#

everyone gets yapped at

#

hell, or no one.

#

that could be fun

#

"figure it out yourselves", says the Unconquered Sun, turning back to face the Games of Divinity

upper stratus
winged swallow
#

yes, who deserve nothing

prisma sun
winged swallow
#

nodding

velvet raft
#

My issue is that the nature of Solars leaves them very disconnected

winged swallow
#

oh?

#

this is something that has come up in survey answers, if you mean disconnected from the world

velvet raft
#

They are the most murderhobo-ish exalts by default, with no strong hooks for a player to start from

#

This can be a feature, since it gives more freedom to just make stuff up

winged swallow
#

ah yes, this is something i very much wanted to address

velvet raft
#

Entirely off the cuff, I think the magic bullet might be doing something with merits, in the same way lunars shapeshift or sids do prophecy

#

Solars should have strong connections, even if they don’t have specific institutions they exist in relation to

mighty rover
bleak hazel
#

I kind of like the idea of Solars being the only splat to have a 2e-style Motivation on top of your intimacies

#

you write down Your Deal at chargen and then some charms hang off it

prisma sun
#

Solars could use Touchstones

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Though I guess that's intimacies

errant knot
mighty rover
#

player solars or npc solars

errant knot
#

As for the Night caste, I like the theming. The other castes are all based on where the sun is in the sky. Night solars aren't the moon, they're just "sun's not here"

prisma sun
#

There's like 2 npc solars

errant knot
#

I really haven't read much of the lore sadly 😔 so players

winged swallow
#

hm

#

how do we feel about the anima powers

bleak hazel
#

Good, eclipses no longer eat the world

#

Might want to steal some of the tighter wordings from Abyssals

dense verge
#

wyld shaping technique must be slain

winged swallow
#

worry not

#

we will slay the great beast known as WST

#

well

bleak hazel
#

Underworld Shaping Technique far superior

winged swallow
#

i'll just crib the underworld shaping technique

dense verge
#

that seems prudent

bleak hazel
#

I have increasingly large numbers of ideas for stuff to put in Craft

dense verge
#

imagine all the ethical orichalcum you could have made compressing the spontaneously generated people you created into a cube

winged swallow
#

we will collab

bleak hazel
#

Other than the combat abilities + War, the only ones I have real persistent gripes with are Lore (rip and tear) and Stealth (may as well read GM Don't Interact)

#

I think a few of my core game improvement ideas would be better as tweaks to the core rules, but some of them work as charms

dense verge
#

i havent actually looked at solar socialize but i assume it to be Not Good

bleak hazel
#

It basically works but a large part of the tree was eaten by the Persona charms

#

which need you to make new character sheets for your alternate identities because they have different ability scores

dense verge
#

other thought, could also follow the example of other Performance trees by cutting down the divisions between performing arts types in the tree

bleak hazel
#

Craft question: charms for specific kinds of crafting, yes/no

winged swallow
#

uhhhhhhh

#

hm

bleak hazel
#

Nobody else has any but I think it might be neat to have a few for Solars

winged swallow
#

there's a part of my brain that says "This may add a lot of complexity to a system that is already a little complex."

bleak hazel
#

not like deep, important trees, but maybe one charm for tailoring or architecture or whatever because otherwise it tends to turn into Crafting Is Just Swords

#

I've been going back and forth on whether it's worth the space myself

winged swallow
next delta
winged swallow
#

are specifically about paintings/sculptures

#

artistic craft endeavors rather than just Swords

#

which does then have a repurchase that lets you apply its bonus to anything that incorporates artistic elements

#

i think ultimately craft is gonna be subject to like. the player's whims, y'know? if someone wants to make non-sword stuff with it, then they'll do that

#

and vice versa

#

the potential is still there to make it not just artifacts-generation

#

just a matter of choice, innit

next delta
winged swallow
#

not a bad idea

bleak hazel
#

I do think that a few nudges in that direction would help, like Sids and Abyssals have

#

for every other splat Sorcery and Necromancy are actually the only places with reliable sources of non-artifact crafting that has mechanical effects

next delta
#

Like something that replaces a requirement of a bunch of manual labourers is something that presumably helps architecture more than it helps swords as a very basic example

errant knot
#

I was just thinking that perhaps a charm could be the ability to use Craft in place of presence or another social ability when used to get people to build things you've designed

winged swallow
#

there's quite a bit going on in there

velvet raft
# winged swallow how do we feel about the anima powers

Dawn: This is fine
Zenith: probably also fine
Twilight: Fine, but suffers from a lack of elementals with stats in the system.
Night: Feels a little low on juice, tbh, and pigeonholes them a littttle too much
Eclipse: Another “fine, but” — need more eclipse charms

#

Zenith has a ton of juice when it comes into play

#

But it is very specific

winged swallow
#

my thoughts on zenith anima stuff is that the midnight caste's influence roll booster makes sense for that caste archetype more than i feel the "blast a creature of darkness" does?

#

idk

velvet raft
#

It makes sense from the "you are a priest of the sun and call down his power" perspective

winged swallow
#

i feel like that's one very specific concept within the greater zenith like...

#

bubble..?

#

that's probably the wrong word

#

you get what i mean though

velvet raft
#

But like yeah it's very pigeonholed

#

And may not come up very much depending on the campaign

winged swallow
#

nod nod

#

i think we can replace it with something a bit more usable

velvet raft
#

In terms of applicability to basically every possible game, Dawn and Eclipse absolutely win

winged swallow
#

yeah

#

i agree

velvet raft
#

I like Twilight's Pokemon master schtick

#

But I'm not sure about it, and it suffers from the game's general tendency to ask you to homebrew a lot of stuff

#

Eclipse charms do too

winged swallow
#

mhm

#

the pokemon master thing we can look at but the eclipse charm thing is

#

well

#

Iconic

velvet raft
#

Yeah, I just mean there's not a lot of them

winged swallow
#

maybe i'll make a few uhhhh

#

eclipse-keyworded charms just for fun

#

throw em in at the end

velvet raft
#

Might be useful!

winged swallow
#

yeah!

#

could be fun too

velvet raft
#

Night, I like half of

#

I like being able to hide peripheral mote use better, that's very cool

winged swallow
#

mhm

velvet raft
#

But the "conceal your identity" schtick feels very specific

#

This is a wild project to take on btw, 5/5 hats off to you

winged swallow
#

yeah well, it started off as me being a legendary Solar hater

#

i have always been irked by solars being positioned as the bestest guys, and then having just the sickest (negative) bones

velvet raft
#

Misc kinda converted me to one, personally

winged swallow
#

i also was never huge on the flavor

velvet raft
#

They have sick bones and they're boring

winged swallow
#

i love my fucked up gothic bullshit of abyssals, or the esoteric hell stuff of infernals

velvet raft
#

Yeah

winged swallow
#

but i’ve come around on solars of late

#

and i’d like them to get the love they likely won’t be able to get

velvet raft
#

I do honestly have a yen for, "there are only a few solars, it's mostly abyssals and infernals"

winged swallow
#

plus it’ll look great in my portfolio lol

#

if it works out well

velvet raft
#

It will!

winged swallow
#

lol thanks

#

expect all work on the project to be on hiatus when infernals drops tho

velvet raft
#

I am so nervous about infernals

winged swallow
#

i will be entering my inner world and conferring with my soul pantheon (making new blorbos up)

#

yeah? i think the new team have handled the flavor and mechanics of abyssals pretty well

#

sidereals too

#

i think they can pull off that stuff for infernals

#

THE ART HOWEVER

#

i live in despair for

velvet raft
#

I'm terrified that they're gonna be bland rebel without a cause and also they turn into monsters types, as they are in Essence

vestal dew
#

It bugs me a little that they're seeming to step away from infernals as being Evil with a Capital E, agreed.

winged swallow
#

i do not like Essence, i’ll say it now

velvet raft
#

I don't think infernals should be evil with a capital E

winged swallow
#

i mean, i don’t hate stepping away from there just being an entirely Evil Exalt type

#

Abyssals is done well, where you’re pretty free to be Villain or do some Antihero shenanigans

#

and the writing is too heavily focused on like

velvet raft
#

But I adored Infernals in 2e as being deeply tied to the experiences of the yozi and of demonkind in general, and honestly bringing some pathos to them

winged swallow
#

either path

winged swallow
vestal dew
#

Abyssals fill the niche of antihero, I don't see why having an irrevocably evil Exalt type is a problem. And to their credit I honestly loved how some of the Infernal charms work for types of actions, etc, that resonate with a given Yozi.

velvet raft
#

And the fact that the yozi choose people who failed or chickened out or backed down is such a good expression of their trauma

winged swallow
#

you can have more cake

#

different cake even, and this is Good

velvet raft
#

I do really like how Infernal charms were spirit charms and the excellencies were incredible

winged swallow
#

the very clear and very strong yozi-themes on charms were nice

#

Freedom Lets Go my love

vestal dew
#

I suppose not, but I also don't want them to go the "Gray Jedi" version where Everybody Is Just Misunderstood And You Shouldn't Have A Problem With Them Doing Evil, MAAAN

winged swallow
#

idk how to tell you this but every exalt is just as much capable of like

#

“good” and “evil”

velvet raft
#

But I think there should be room for infernals who lean into the rage and trauma of their masters, and infernals who rebel against that rage and trauma, and infernals who sympathize and want to make demonkind better

#

And everything in between

raw owl
#

everything i've heard about 3e infernals basically smacks of overcorrection

winged swallow
#

and these should, frankly, be represented equally in all the splats

lunar magnet
winged swallow
#

Solars can be arrogant tyrants succumbing to the sins of their past lives or like genuinely repentant forces for good

lunar magnet
#

Behold, an Infernal

raw owl
#

like okay. 2e infernals were bad. the bad things about them included:

  • the mandatory gangbangs
  • the pedophilia
velvet raft
raw owl
#

3e infernals appear to have concluded that the sauce also all needed to go

vestal dew
velvet raft
#

Sympathy for the devil, as it were

winged swallow
#

i wasn’t being rude?

#

i’m sorry if it came off like that.

vestal dew
#

Apology accepted, I'm sorry if I came off obtuse.

winged swallow
#

‘s cool

#

everyone’s entitled to their opinions on this stuff

#

and i know the 2e infernals had some Good Juice in there

lunar magnet
#

But yeah, 2e Infernals doesn't just have to throw off the shackles of its own book, but also Return of the Scarlet Empress

velvet raft
#

They had a few bits of really bad lore and just about everything else was fantastic

winged swallow
#

i like that we have more yozis invested in them now

lunar magnet
#

Which is a hell of a double whammy

raw owl
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and like, it's not like i don't have faith in the 3e writing team, so i'm confident that we'll get something interesting

winged swallow
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whereas before it was just Malfeas, Adorjan, Ebon Dragon, and uhhhh

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SWLIHN

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and..

velvet raft
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And Cecelyne

raw owl
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and Siscon

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yeah her

vestal dew
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Honestly it's the Star Wars trauma in me that's partially influencing that opinion; I've run into so damn many bad Sith fans and it makes me overcorrect a bit. -_-;;;

winged swallow
winged swallow
velvet raft
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I'm just fearful that The Good Edition of Exalted will not retain one of my absolute favorite splats

winged swallow
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look

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if infernals gets done poorly

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which i doubt it will

velvet raft
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And will replace it with something else bearing the same name

winged swallow
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i will simply reforge the infernals

velvet raft
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XD

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One project at a time :D

vestal dew
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So far I'm really happy with Alchemicals, at least.

velvet raft
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YES

errant knot
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thinking about how Dragon Blooded get the ability to just throw an elemental bolt as a lore 3 essence 1 charm, and Solars afaik don't get anything nearly as evocative as that

velvet raft
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Alchemicals good

winged swallow
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IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT, CUT IT INTO A MORE DESIRABLE SHAPE

winged swallow
velvet raft
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Anyway, one thing Abyssals and Infernal Classic both managed is that their powers sort of express the nature of their patron

bleak hazel
velvet raft
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And I think Solars should as well

winged swallow
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yes this is something i want to achieve

dense verge
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Big Lamp

winged swallow
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the Virtues of the Sun and such

vestal dew
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I'm like, chomping at the bit every time I hear about new Alchies art or such. Heck my copy of COCD: Autochthonia is signed. 😛

velvet raft
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Blinding, overwhelming, potentially nurturing but at their core Too Much

winged swallow
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stuff like that too

bleak hazel
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I personally think the Daybreak one beats the Twilight one but that's because I have no interest in Spirit Pokemon

winged swallow
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brb gotta wash dishes

velvet raft
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Everything the Solars do is intense, whether they're good or bad

dense verge
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big lamp, not bog lamp, thats an exigent of will o wisps

velvet raft
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When Solars do bad, they do very bad

bleak hazel
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Bog Lamp would be an Infernal that was very into Kimbery

velvet raft
#

In a desert, the sun is your worst enemy. On a cold day, the sun is your best friend. The sun can burn you just from being under its gaze, yet it is necessary for life.

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Look into the sun for more than a moment and it will sear out your eyes, but the illumination it provides lets us know the world

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I would love solars that followed that kind of idea

raw owl
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at the risk of being Girl Who Makes Everything About Her Hyperfixation Du Jour, i think long-running web serial The Wandering Inn has some pretty good examples of Solar fiction

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especially in the ''so bright it hurts'' kind of way

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several of the big characters (protagonist Erin Solstice, most obviously, but also Geneva and the King of Destruction) have this recurring thing about how hard it is to keep up with them, not just in terms of skill or power but in terms of sheer will and ambition

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Laken to a lesser extent, pretty classic Zenith activities

velvet raft
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... okay but hear me out

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You know how in One Piece, ambition is a type of literal overwhelming spiritual force?

errant knot
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oh, conqueror haki?

raw owl
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i think if anyone gets Hype And Aura Moments as a stat gimmick the solars are a good candidate

velvet raft
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There's a whole argument for how the best translation for haki would just be to call it ambition

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Because in One Piece, ambition has physical and spiritual force

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I dunno, "solars do a lot of weird shit with merits and intimacies", seems like an interesting mechanical take

winged swallow
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i guess my question re: the merits thing, is

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what do you envision this as

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like, what is "weird shit with merits and intimacies"

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like if you had to pick an example

velvet raft
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I'm honestly pretty vague on that, I'm just sort of spitting into the wind here right now >_>

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Your project has me thinking but many of my thoughts are probably unhelpfully vague <_<

winged swallow
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even vague ideas might one day pave a path to something neat and concrete

prisma sun
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I like the idea that Solars can get social merits as they gain essence

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As they naturally grow a following

velvet raft
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When I liked solars more, I did have a tendency to make ones who were strongly themed to a single 5-dot artifact

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Like, "drew Stormcaller and exalted at the same time" type of stuff

prisma sun
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I will say I like Solars being Ori+Jade

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I think that's better than just Ori

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Actually

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You know what would be a good angle

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Really hone in on the Sid and Solar relationship of Sifu Student and apply it to the rest of solar stuff

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They can learn to use any artifact, under the tutelage of someone capable of it

errant knot
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oh so as a merit they could be resonant with a particular artefact rather than all materials?

prisma sun
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Something like that

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Like tying things to specific Mentors

velvet raft
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That kind of thing could be an extension of a supercharged mentor merit or something

winged swallow
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hmmm.. past life mentor...

prisma sun
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I need to get my grubs on the Abyssal book so I can finally make a goth

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Only one of my ocs is a goth but in the like

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Sack Rome way

fierce star
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por que no los dos

velvet raft
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Any exalt type can be a goth

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Abyssals just have themed powers

fierce star
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There are plenty of romes to sack

errant knot
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I wanna sack rome :c

winged swallow
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go sack the blessed isle

velvet raft
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That's a lot of sack

fierce star
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exalted levels of sack, I'm down for it

errant knot
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I'm only the one lunar, how much sack could I accomplish?

winged swallow
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yeah

raw owl
prisma sun
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She's a cavewoman with a shotgun who worships the goddess of conflict and athleticism

winged swallow
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legend

prisma sun
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She was indeed legendary

winged swallow
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once i run through the anima powers, i’m gonna start combing through the Athletics tree as i meditate on this potential unique mechanic for solars

tulip folio
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Yay, seeing 'hey, want to just Do Double Damage' with a crowbar taken to it. XD

winged swallow
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much will likely have a crowbar taken to it

tulip folio
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It's a minor thing and not really a solar thing but I'm eternally shocked by how deadly falling damage is for exalts.

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If someone punts you into orbit, you are very rapidly going splat. XD

winged swallow
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it’s very funny how you can survive shit like first age soul nukes with some charms and then

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go splat with falling damage

tulip folio
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A non-zero number of solars were killed in the usurpation by sids secretly adjusting the height of some stairs.

tulip folio
#

Hmm...do you think it would be unreasonable for an artifact to have a (Specific Weather) version of weeping sky lamentation?

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Pondering on that can only create snow/cold weather.

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It can be gentle, comforting snow or harsh hail but it has to be cold weather/it can't warm things up.

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Tinkering with Evocations for Whirling Snowstorm, a Starmetal Blade that is the remnants of a northern elemental goddess.

winged swallow
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that seems fine to me

#

what dot rating is it?

tulip folio
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It's a 4* artifact. It's not a world shaker but it's the symbol of a clan's spirit and the legacy of their goddess, now that both are gone.

winged swallow
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yeah that’s absolutely kosher imo

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tbf it’s also already in the charm purview of a celestial exalt

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so

tulip folio
#

Fair enough. XD

# 
The Yun Do Not Kneel
Cost: 2m; Mins: Essence 1
Type: Reflexive
Keywords: None
Duration: Instant
Prerequisite Charms: Heart of the Yun
The Lover Clad In Raiment Of Tears could not make the Yun kneel. Nothing will.

If an effect would cause the wielder to become Prone, she can use this charm to instead keep her footing. This may be used when falling to reduce the damage suffered as if she had fallen one zone less and to land on her feet. 

If the wielder dies, she always dies standing.

The idea behind it is that a lot of its stuff represents people who died rather than accept a philosophy without hope + the themes of their patron goddess, who was a terrestial ice goddess but one that was willing to burn herself out trying to protect them.

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Also: Man, Abyssal Survival has fantastic vibes.

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The addition of the 'ice queen' and 'horror domain' stuff did wonders for what would otherwise be a pretty mundane charmset

winged swallow
winged swallow
upper stratus
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it is really funny that high falling damage is less survivable than uncountable falling damage

winged swallow
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ain’t it just

tulip folio
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Alright. 8 Evocations done for Swirling Snowflake. That's a Pretty Good Amount.

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3 weird support-y ones, 5 'more for fighting, this is a sword' ones.

velvet raft
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DB game start is fast approaching, still gotta write the four evocations for my stupid bonking things

winged swallow
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need a hand?

velvet raft
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I would appreciate it, actually! The character's a Thousand Blades/Earth Dragon DB, using four goremauls. She was part of an Immaculate Order weapons project meant to draw power from the elemental poles, but the project failed and the fifth, earth-aligned goremaul was never completed. The concept I was sorta thinking of was:

  • Unmade Earth Grand Goremaul: Without it, the exalt can't have [Heated] and [Chilled] or [Flowing] and [Rooted] simultaneously — newer cancels out older. Evocations would be about managing or using multiple of these states. Needless to say, it does not exist. Might be 4-5 dots?
  • Rising Flame: Gives the wielder [Heated] when used for a withering attack. Evocations need to spend [Chilled]. First evocation is some kind of very fast decisive attack thing.
  • Falling Chill: Gives the wielder [Chilled] when used for a parry. Evocations need to spend [Heated]. First evocation is some kind of retaliatory defense that freezes the attacker.
  • Wildsea: Gives the wielder [Rooted] when used for a decisive attack. Evocations need to spend [Flowing]. First evocation is a gambit that plants nasty wooden spikes in the target.
  • Deepforest: Gives the wielder [Flowing] when they evade. Evocations need to spend [Rooted]. First evocation is a dodge that disorients and penalizes the attacker.
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But actually making the attunement bonus evocations is very intimidating to me

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(Probably in part because I have made this whole idea stupidly complicated)

winged swallow
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mhm mhm

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well, i’ll see what i can come up with when i get back home

errant knot
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I think you might have deepforest and wildsea switched

winged swallow
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yeag

errant knot
#

Also these are 4 separate artefact hammers this player is attuned to and carrying?

winged swallow
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yeah, that’s how thousand blades style works

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multi-artifact weapon

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wielded by thought and essence

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sick ass style tbh

errant knot
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Damn

winged swallow
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yeah

errant knot
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I have so much reading to do

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Where tf is this?

velvet raft
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Yeah, 4 three-dot hammers

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Also, Wildsea is the Wood hammer, and Deepforest is the Water hammer

velvet raft
errant knot
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Ahhh, another book I do not have

velvet raft
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Wildsea being a reference to the game Wildsea, and Deepforest to the abundance of sea life

errant knot
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Ic ic

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But you can see how those two have that weird naming convention but the other two don't?

velvet raft
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Ye

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I'd change the other two before those, tho

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:D

errant knot
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(also I was just woken up by cheetos based stomach cramps so I'm tired as shit)

velvet raft
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Conceptually, this was a Division of Mela prodigy's big theory of unifying the force of the elemental poles in a single person (it failed, and now she's a wyld mutant with memory problems and kitty ears)

winged swallow
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perfect

tulip folio
errant knot
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Excellent

winged swallow
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gund-bits 1k blades is peak

winged swallow
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the whole freezing defense thing

velvet raft
#

she is actually just Rosmontis Arknights

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winged swallow
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you’ll need to tune down the general power a touch, but otherwise it Works

velvet raft
winged swallow
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wildsea’s gambit makes me think of some sort of wound penalty increaser because well

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you’re full of painful wooden spikes

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thousand splinters style

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most obvious things to take from might be Water Dragon Style or Violet Bier of Sorrows Style

tulip folio
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Rising flames is tricky, as it's a fast decisive attack when generally exalts are already trying to be as fast as they can...vague pondering - Init order booster. So you get 'Take your turn as if was <Some Amount> higher but you have to make a decisive attack in that turn'.

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There's a martial arts charm that does that in VBOS that I borrowed for First Pulse.

# 
Blistering Ignition
Cost: 3m, 1 Chilled; Mins: Essence 1
Type: Reflexive
Keywords: Decisive-Only
Duration: One round
Prerequisite Charms: None
The wielder adds (higher of Essence or 3) to her effective Initiative to determine when she takes her turn. During this turn, she must make a Decisive Attack with Rising Flame, or lose that must initiative at the end of her turn.
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Maybe something like this?

velvet raft
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Hm, interesting

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I’m about to go on a tour, and so will return to this later, but thanks for the ideas

winged swallow
# 
Glorious Burning Visage (Permanent): As the base Dawn Caste’s fear-based influence anima power (Exalted, p. 175).
Dawn’s Inevitable Victory (10m; Reflexive; Instant): As the base Dawn Caste’s combat/movement Charm reset anima power (Exalted, p. 175).```how we feeling about these names
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since most anima powers now have names goin on

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like Death Is Inevitable and Essence-Flensing Insight

prisma sun
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I think this is the vibe of the Abyssal

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I like the idea that he just has like 3 sentient ghosts and then a small army of comedy skeletons

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Mental image of him restoring some long-destroyed Manse-Castle as the waltz is playing and the skeletons are all backup dancing as he moves through the building, repairing things as he goes

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Disney-ass sequence

prisma sun
winged swallow
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mhm

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wanna put any ideas forward to make em better?

#

an injection of juice

prisma sun
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I think when it comes to charm names most just exist and are fine, and it's the rare one that hits hard.

#

Hard to juice them when there's so many already

winged swallow
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True.

chilly sluice
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building a White Veil/Black Claw stylist DB rn, does this seem good as a statline?
I've been a little concerned about my low Int for Disguises and Hide Evidence purposes

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winged swallow
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yeah ‘s pretty alright

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good thing black claw rules

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Doe Eyes Defense will be instrumental in keeping your squishy ass safe

vestal dew
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I'm playing a Full Moon Thousand Blades stylist with dips into Golden Janissary style and three artifact direlances. It's great.

chilly sluice
vestal dew
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Because seriously, dealing Aggravated damage on Decisives is amazing and kinda exactly what you want when fighting Creatures Of Darkness.

chilly sluice
winged swallow
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remember to keep that guile high

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invest in those socialize charms

chilly sluice
#

I have 5 Guile and a specialization too

winged swallow
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good heavens

chilly sluice
#

my plan is mostly to hopefully not get hit lmao
and rely on some of the big ticket MA defense tricks to reduce anything that does get through

vestal dew
#

What kind of Exalt, I'm sorry?

chilly sluice
#

Dragonblood

winged swallow
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aspect?

chilly sluice
#

Water

winged swallow
#

mhm mhm

chilly sluice
#

I also have some Water Dragon to cheat around the Terrestrial keyword

vestal dew
#

Ah. I don't think there's an analogous charm for DBs, my response to being squishy was a Lunar charm that lets me reflexively clash against an incoming attack and negating the attack on success.

chilly sluice
#

Water Dragon has a good defensive charm in Bottomless Depths Defense, Black Claw has a few, and I have a bit of Ebon Shadow as well which will give me a strong defensive charm too

velvet raft
#

This is the same game as me btw >_>

bleak hazel
winged swallow
winged swallow
#

i would honestly throw a dot from cha into app

velvet raft
#

I would love Black Claw if it’s flavor weren’t so, so specific

winged swallow
#

it’s one of my favorite flavors i’ll be completely honest

velvet raft
#

And yeah, appearance is really strong in 3e since it can be used for social rolls

winged swallow
#

the unremoveable tie of love for your teacher is.. something though

bleak hazel
#

I kind of like that one honestly, more martial arts should have background stuff like that embedded

winged swallow
#

but i understand how it feeds back into the juice

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i don’t hate it, to be clear

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it’s just that it is the only style that does this tmk

velvet raft
#

Tbh the tie to your teacher is fine by me, I just wish one of the best pure unarmed styles weren’t so specifically about pretending to be innocent while starting shit

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That’s not a bad character direction but it is extremely specific

winged swallow
#

it reflects its Eight Truths nicely

#

Love is a lie, innocence is a lie, blame is a lie—lies are inescapable; children betray their parents, gods betray their makers, students betray their teachers—betrayal, too, is inescapable.

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and Heart-Ripping Claw is worth it all

velvet raft
#

It’s very good for what it is!

chilly sluice
velvet raft
#

I just wish something else had something like Doe Eyes Defense

bleak hazel
#

the combo of Doe Eyes and Torn Lotus is sometimes considered to be a Bit Much, you can make some incredibly deadly social characters for very little investment because you can just beat people up with your massive social stats, and damn the parry/attack pools

#

I can see why they never wrote Doe Eyes Defence 2

velvet raft
#

Because I personally am never going to play the type of character for whom Black Claw is fitting

bleak hazel
#

most Black Claw characters are fine, but it's a bit like DPC where there are some ways to cheese the hell out of it that later MAs were more careful about

velvet raft
#

I mean I guesssss Red Evening Sky could fit but she has Manipulation 1 and that will never change >_>

#

Gk create a character and don’t dump manipulation challenge: difficulty impossible

winged swallow
#

lmao

#

i could never dump manipulation

#

that’s my toxic wife

velvet raft
#

I personally am pretty constitutionally incapable of anything more significant than tact, even in roleplay

bleak hazel
#

my Sids are all high charisma, but my abyssal is heavily invested in Mansplain Manipulate Manslaughter as a trifecta

#

also can confirm that this charm is so much fun, this is going on every Abyssal I ever make

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has an automatic E3 upgrade for unlimited range, too

velvet raft
#

So I play to my strengths

bleak hazel
#

I have to resist the temptation to spend all my motes on telepathy even when just talking to people normally because it's very cool

velvet raft
#

I have a sid, the aforementioned Red Evening Sky, who has 5 Appearance, 1 Charisma, 1 Manipulate, Graceful Maiden’s Mien, and crippling social anxiety

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She has 0 dots in resources because of a bureaucratic error that would be trivial for anyone else to correct

chilly sluice
velvet raft
#

Anys Syn is her sifu and is the only person who knows what’s going on in her head and finds it very funny

winged swallow
#

Your Approach, y’know?

bleak hazel
#

yeah, you can roll Presence with Appearance even if you're being particularly flashy and obvious

winged swallow
#

Manipulation is more about lying and misdirection and what not

bleak hazel
#

really either of Charisma or Manip can be your mainstay for most if not all social rolls, and Manip tends to be a bit more attractive because it also calcs Guile

velvet raft
bleak hazel
#

but the devs know that Charisma is the odd duck of social stats and hang a lot of cool charmtech off it

chilly sluice
#

interesting
I may actually go Appearance 3 instead then

bleak hazel
#

Rival is all in on charisma for social tertiary and it works on Sid Craft, Sid Presence, a little bit on Crane Style, etc...

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if you want a dedicated socialite, they tend to be Manip + App

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because those non-charm dice are juicy

#

and you can stack a lot of appearance on many splats

chilly sluice
#

I am like... half socialite half stealth ambusher

velvet raft
#

Sids have a lot of charms that love Charisma

bleak hazel
#

my Abyssal is about two charms away from App 7

#

stupid sexy sauron

chilly sluice
velvet raft
#

It shows up a bunch in miscellaneous supernatural abilities

chilly sluice
#

I don't think anything in White Veil or Black Claw keys off Charisma directly though

bleak hazel
#

both of those are all manip all the time

#

for obvious reasons

velvet raft
#

I do love that most White Veil charms are either-or on being for stealth ambushes like Ebon Shadow, or getting away with shit in public like Black Claw

chilly sluice
#

yeah once I got my charm suite more together, I'll be pretty capable of both

velvet raft
#

Meaning it pairs extremely well with either

chilly sluice
#

also I really at some point want to do the extremely funny thing of poisoning my attack, and then doing Dragon Dies Screaming together with Flexing The Emerald Claw, to inflict three poisons on one attack

fierce star
#

reasons I should not be invited to Abyssal games: "Hey [GM] if I work for an appropraite deathlord how many dots of mentor would The Green Lady be?"

velvet raft
#

That seems like a reason you should be invited

vestal dew
errant knot
winged swallow
#

if someone approached my table with toad/black claw/white veil style, i might cry

#

the triple poison heart explosion

#

surpassed only by someone who did these three AND then learned citrine poxes

fierce star
#

... wow I wasn't even looking in here are two people making the same abyssal?

#

I'm looking to combine toad/black claw/white veil/rat with abyssal medicine and eventually citrine poxes :D

chilly sluice
#

incredible

fierce star
#

plus abyssal survival for the White Queen stuff it can do. Whip out as many 'this entire massive area sucks to live in, fight me irl' effects as possible.

velvet raft
#

Oh yeah Rat

prisma sun
#

If I were to make a goremaul focused Abyssal, are there any good MAs for that

winged swallow
#

goremaul huh

#

hm

#

lemme go see

#

nothing really for hammers unforch

#

earth dragon uses tetsubo?

prisma sun
#

Dam

#

I guess this guy could go thousand blades to fit the Smith vibe

chilly sluice
#

Thousand Blades works as always, but that's a semi copout

prisma sun
#

Jinx

winged swallow
#

1k blades really is the “damn, no MArt for this weapon type? guess i’m taking 5 different artifact versions of it”

velvet raft
prisma sun
#

It just kinda sucks cuz I don't like taking elemental Mas on non deebs

velvet raft
#

Earth Dragon is pretty good as those go, but your best bet is probably Abyssal Melee

winged swallow
#

abyssal melee's fun

#

"what if solar melee was good and goth flavored"

velvet raft
#

Solar melee is so boring

#

"Excellent Strike" how is this a charm name

winged swallow
#

you have no idea how much i complain about this

#

call it like

velvet raft
#

Boring is the worst sin imo

winged swallow
#

Blinding Corona Blade or some shit

#

you must match the freak of Abyssals' Five Shadow Feint

#

throw a... lunge in there or something

velvet raft
#

Solar Brawl has too much juice even for solars, but I still like it on account of it being very fun

#

It has the right idea

winged swallow
#

solar brawl can expect a visit from me and my world-cutting blade technique

prisma sun
#

Heaven Thunder Hammer would be fine if you could do it ONCE

velvet raft
winged swallow
#

i need to take a hammer to thunderclap rush attack

#

who thought this was okay

prisma sun
#

Also the goku charm is good

raw owl
prisma sun
#

The super sayain transformation

raw owl
#

One hundred million years of cumulative Exalted playtime yet no real world use has been found for Solar Charms

velvet raft
#

Yeah TRA is a stupid charm

winged swallow
#

i get the vibe and whatnot but

#

it is nuts busted

winged swallow
#

you tell em

velvet raft
#

There's a mechanic for going first! It is called initiative

#

And yeah, some charms do funky stuff with that

prisma sun
#

Solar Charms have a use called pressing a button to win

velvet raft
#

But they probably shouldn't ignore it entirely

#

Look I'm just eternally mad about Essence Induction Technique

#

Extremely cool charm, no actual rules

prisma sun
#

Wassat

velvet raft
#

It's an Essence 5 charm for Occult, and one of the cool reasons to go for Supernal Occult

winged swallow
#

it's where the essence is induced, using a technique

velvet raft
#

It lets you create a spirit familiar

#

And that spirit familiar gets XP alongside you

winged swallow
velvet raft
#

So it lets you play an occult character with a spirit buddy who levels with you! This is very cool and appealing!

winged swallow
#

"what if we made rules terms and then never used em"

velvet raft
#

Very fitting for Twilights and Eclipses!

#

However there are (a) no rules for the spirit you are expected to create, and (b) see (a)

bleak hazel
#

also NPCs don't use XP, so there are no rules for that either

velvet raft
#

Yes!

bleak hazel
#

since each splat has its own XP cost table

velvet raft
#

I really like the charm conceptually for enabling a character archetype

#

You devote a lot to it and This Is Your Thing Now

#

Probably with some sorcery on the side

bleak hazel
#

honestly Abyssal Melee is almost literally just "we put cooler fluff on Solar Melee and cut some of the extraneous bullshit"