Arkham Horror: The Card Game

[wispy phoenix]

Yeah, Greed is basically going to be a testless "take 3 horror" with how low you'll typically be running

[mortal hazel]

There's a few different ways to build Bob, for sure, but you usually want to be making money positive every turn if you can

Or at least neutral

[dapper moon]

True. The idea is only to use compass if I've already Short Supplied Greed

[wispy phoenix]

Right, but then that's one of your few ways to get those Investigates passed gone as well

If you can't use it

Like...okay, for reference

[dapper moon]

Keys and Lantern are my backup there

And matches were going to be but.... taboo and stuff.

[wispy phoenix]

A typical shroud of a location is 3. Your base book is 4, and if you're lucky, you'll have PMT to boost by +1, maybe you're using the Compass or Fox Mask to go to 6

[dapper moon]

(Fox to 7, if PMT)

[wispy phoenix]

On Standard, the biggest starting token is -4. Even with those boosts, your'e still failing some 10, 15% of the time, and that's assuming you have those cards out, unexhausted, and charged

On top of that, your Scavenging rate is not great either

[mortal hazel]

Hrm, scrolling up to look at that deck, I think, as a rule of thumb, if you have more than five hand assets, you ought to know exactly what you're doing

[wispy phoenix]

There's pieces there, but the engine is lacking in grease and refinement

[mortal hazel]

This one has twelve

[wispy phoenix]

Mhm

They can be sold off to other Investigators, but that needs Bob's sig

[dapper moon]

12?

[wispy phoenix]

Oh, isn't it 8?

[dapper moon]

Cut to 7, if PMT is counted as a duplicate, and I've got Toolbelt, assuming it can either start in hand or discard for Scavenging to snag

[mortal hazel]

Oh, I looked at the post earlier

Oh yeah that's a lot better

[dapper moon]

Oh yeah

[wispy phoenix]

Anyway - getting down to real brass tacks here, my overall thought is that you're still going to need to slim your assets down by a lot

By a lot I mean 8 or 9

Not all Arkham decks need like, some kind of silly engine that does 20 things in one turn. But I think the base requirements for a deck to run smoothly boil down to Draw, Money, Boosts

You want to see important cards, you want the resources to play them, you want to boost your stats up in order to beat the bag

Assets are cool and all, but particularly in the case of ones that provide actions, they're typically only providing No. 3, and even then it might only be situationally

[dapper moon]

In order of what I would cut to drop 8:
Ok With: Track Shoes, Scrapper, Compass, Cig Case OR Rabbit's Foot, Switchblade, Fox Mask, Lantern
Prefer Not: Bandages, Thieves,

[wispy phoenix]

If you grease the deck with more Draw, more Money, and more Boosts, it'll operate a lot smoother and more efficiently. I can give you suggestions of what to cut or put in

[dapper moon]

What would you sub in to get more money/draw? (Manual Dexterity and Perception being obvious options)

[wispy phoenix]

Cut: Lantern, Derringer, Compass, 2x Tool Belt, Scrapper, Switchblade, Thieves' Kit, Track Shoes
Put In: 2x Perception, 2x Lockpicks (1), 2x Take Heart, 2x Faustian Bargain, Backpack

[dapper moon]

That does mean I lose any ability to fight or flee until I get XP to buy Shotcaster with Gun Mode

[wispy phoenix]

Your ability to do either was always going to be really limited, unfortunately

Derringer puts you at 5 Fight, which isn't cutting it against anything but things that are particularly weeny

[dapper moon]

But not 0

True, but I was not intending to shoot at the very very big stuff

[wispy phoenix]

Sure, but you also have a dedicated monster handler on the team

[dapper moon]

mm, true.

[wispy phoenix]

As the amount of players goes up, there's more room for specialization - you don't need to be able to do everything

[dapper moon]

Mm, true.

[wispy phoenix]

And if you swing for a flex play, you're much better off swinging for something big that has a splashy effect

[dapper moon]

I've just had really bad experiences with only having 1 person able to fight at all

[wispy phoenix]

eg. Blur

[wispy phoenix]

I do think it comes down to deck construction, in part - Alaen is going flex, I think, so we'll have versatility there

A badly built fighter or one that gets screwed or draw can be really bad

But a well built one is a machine

[dapper moon]

Hmm, I may reconsider my deck. Let it percolate at least till tomorrow. Depending on what Alaen end s up with may also influence me here

[wispy phoenix]

Sure thing, no problem

Hope that all helped, Hades

[dapper moon]

Yeah

[mortal hazel]

Bob can fight, but it does require fairly elegant deckbuilding, and probably heavy reliance on Well Connected or High Roller (in addition to a high-modifier weapon like the Derringer, Lupara, or upgraded Bulldog)

[dapper moon]

I don't need bob to fight boss monsters or elites. I want to either be able to kill or evade diff 3 creatures with some degree of reliability

Like slotting 1 copy of Azure Flame or Withering into a purple deck. Not a fight everything option but a "I can handle this mook* option

[proven acorn]

still a bit undecided, just made two decks for now
https://arkhamdb.com/deck/view/3726639 this one is a Parley focused Alessandra deck, can do a bit of fighting and clueing
https://arkhamdb.com/deck/view/3726852 this one is a Harvey deck, more of a dedicated cluer

also not entirely sure yet on card selection for these two either, so still taking suggestions for any changes

[wispy phoenix]

I like the Alessandra deck but it is very short on skills - I'd personally ditch Pilfer and Grift for 2x Perception, 1x Blackmail File, and 1x Well-Dressed

[proven acorn]

yeah the Pilfer I was considering cutting
curious why Blackmail File specifically?

[wispy phoenix]

Consistent, one action enemy management

It's a stall, but it's a very good one

[proven acorn]

hmm, fair enough

[wispy phoenix]

Think of it like this: your Parley events are all one and done, but Blackmail is basically permanent

[proven acorn]

Also true
I'm mostly banking on recurring the parley events with Eldritch Tongue

And getting to also committ them via Crystallizer

[wispy phoenix]

Do note that if you put your events under Crystalizer, you can't recur them until after you commit them to a test

Since they only go to discard at that point

[wispy phoenix]

@proven acorn @dapper moon are y'all aware of TCU's beginning gimmick?

[proven acorn]

the prologue, right?

[wispy phoenix]

Yeag

We can hopefullyyyy power through both it and scenario 1?

[dapper moon]

nvm, figured out how to search for bonded cards

@wispy phoenix what do you think of Ravenous Myconid?

[wispy phoenix]

You have unfortunately hit upon another card I think is very busted, haha

[dapper moon]

oh no

Well darn

[wispy phoenix]

The upgrades are all jacked as fuck, with the Treachery cancelling one being probably one of the best cards in the game

[dapper moon]

I kinda want to include it in a Mandy Cluever Deck

[wispy phoenix]

Yeah it's just kinda like, one of the cards that just means you don't need to play the game in some circumstances

[dapper moon]

Oh, I just realized what it is.... It Christopher Milan part 2

"Get money for Investigating Good"

(The base version)

[wispy phoenix]

Even the baseline Sentient Specimen version is nuts, its a Ward 1/round, and there's ways to abuse it with Shroud reduction to cancel every treachery investigators at a 0 Shroud location draw

And yeah it's just uh

Too much

I expect the next taboo to slam the fuck out of it

Deservedly

[dapper moon]

@proven acorn you want to go Alessandra and I'll ring up a Mandy Deck to search decks and get clues. Bob was not quite working out how I wanted.

[high kindle]

I have a house rule I usually run where we ban delve and obol

and just give everyone +1 xp every second scenario

and I think it generally plays a lot better

[dapper moon]

What do we think of Refine?

[high kindle]

I think the other xp cards are less problematic

refine is very awkward

pelt can be too

my issue is that delve kinda deflates the tension of missions at the end

and encourages all sorts of weird playpatterns where people have to get out except one person that does it totally safely

I think the card would be interesting as a dillemma

[dapper moon]

Something like Reverse Read the Stars?

Shuffle a big, angry monster worth 1xp into the top 10 or something?

[high kindle]

no like

when you draw delve

[dapper moon]

oh!

It fires immediately

That'd be interesting

[high kindle]

choose: exile delve too deep OR everyone draws an encounter and put it in the victory display

the issue is that its just always used with total safety on the last actions of easy missions

so it slippery slopes campaigns both ways

if you get ahead you all get +2 a mission, if you struggle you get nothing and have dead cards

similar issue with obol, plus the question of what to do when someone actually does die with it

[wispy phoenix]

That'd be sick actually

Basically kills the greed problem

[dapper moon]

m, I would maybe have it trigger if the card is in your hand at start of turn?

Instead of when Drawn

[wispy phoenix]

I think that takes away the bite of it

You need to have it be a distinct risk and a hard choice

[dapper moon]

Fair enough

I would just hate to draw it with Upkeep

[high kindle]

I mean if you get it during turns it can be worse

dump enemies on people and stuff

but yeah I think it should have real bite

[wispy phoenix]

Yeah that would be real rough, but like

If you take the greed card, you accept the consequences of said greed

[dapper moon]

Fair enough

[high kindle]

I think it was a silly card always but early arkham needed it

[wispy phoenix]

Dunwich was uh

[high kindle]

it was pretty tough and dunwich was harsh on xp

[dapper moon]

Dunwich T^T

[wispy phoenix]

Yeah, you got pretty nickel and dimed

[high kindle]

and the general card quality was pretty low early on

you had to really make do with some bad cards

[wispy phoenix]

Not even bad in a fun way really

They were just shonky

[high kindle]

I mean sometimes it was fun

I definitely enjoyed it in its own way

[wispy phoenix]

Thats fair!

[high kindle]

but the silly xp card was less of an issue then

nowdays decks are very strong and you can do it very reliably

[dapper moon]

I think I'll go Mystic and look to pick up cards to move damage/horror and otherwise shore up allies with this deck

Maybe also snag Open Gate

idk how big Circle maps tend to be

[dapper moon]

https://arkhamdb.com/deck/view/3728274

Well, Mandy is here to do silly things.

65 card deck? Apparently

[wispy phoenix]

I would highly not recommend Forced Learning for your first time playing Mandy, you're gonna be pretty miserable

Also, Knowledge is Power was chained to be a 2XP card

So you can't include it, unfortunately

[dapper moon]

pain.

It won't be my first time Mandy, just my first time non-solo Mandy

(Solo Mandy is the definition of Miserable)

... Emperical Hypothesis is 1 in play. not 1 in deck, isn't it?

[wispy phoenix]

That's correct

[dapper moon]

What would you trim if you were removing Forced Learning?

[wispy phoenix]

Cut: 2x Fieldwork, 2x Chemistry Set, 2x Knowledge is Power, 2x Tempt Fate, 2x The Truth Beckons, 2x Forbidden Tome, 2x Drain Essence, 2x Forbidden Tome

Oop Tome is there twice

[dapper moon]

Can I ask why Forbidden Tome?

[wispy phoenix]

Meant to be "Throw The Book At Them"

[wispy phoenix]

I'll actually throw this back to you: Why Forbidden Tome?

What is its eventual role in your game plan

[dapper moon]

Because FT (Dark Knowledge) is an easy solution for post-flip Hank Healing

[wispy phoenix]

I very much appreciate your concern, but I promise you I'll be okay on that front

[dapper moon]

Oh, ok, in that case, totes can cut

[wispy phoenix]

I have the two best soak allies in the game on tap

[dapper moon]

Is the reason to Cut Fieldwork because it's kinda doubled up with Mouse? or is there another reason I'm missing?

[wispy phoenix]

Its just a heavily ancillary card you don't need, really

[dapper moon]

oh, doubly so without Chem Set

[wispy phoenix]

Mandy's 50 card deck really wants you to run a core set of cards with some level of redundant backups, buoyed by fast cards, research cards and draw

[dapper moon]

https://arkhamdb.com/deck/view/3728274

[mortal hazel]

Generally a slimmer deck is a stronger deck

Mandy was locked at 50 to nerf her

The thicker the deck, the harder it is for her to find the things she wants

Forced Learning in general is a card you should only pick up if you know exactly what you're doing, as it makes all the draw and search in your deck weaker, and reduces the density of your high value cards, especially as you gain XP

[wispy phoenix]

I actually made a Mandy deck myself a while back and played it through a campaign, Hades, do you mind if I show you? I can guide you through my thought processes, if you'd like

[mortal hazel]

After three years of playing Arkham as investigators of every class, talking about Arkham with other, even more experienced card gamers, and winning nearly every campaign and every scenario on higher difficulties even when playing them unspoiled, usually with fairly experimental, gimmicky decks, I've still not really found a home for Forced Learning

Seekers kinda hate it because they already have great draw and search and very little recursion or use-from-discard cards

Survivors could like it but only Darrel and Pete have access to it, and of those, well, Darrel is a seeker, too, and Pete... I've tried to make it work pretty extensively with Pete, but it's tough, because a lot of use-from-discard stuff isn't compatible with Duke

[dapper moon]

Fire away

[wispy phoenix]

https://arkhamdb.com/deck/view/3728596

[dapper moon]

I'll post my questions as a singular big chunk, if that's ok?

[wispy phoenix]

Go for it

[dapper moon]

1. Why no Book of Lore?
2. Do you have enough econ to ignore Milan?
3. You have a lot of 2x, is there a reason to skip Dream-Enhancing?
4. You have 7 hands worth of assets (4 if you ignore dupes). What is the plan there?
5. Would you recommend going into Rogue, considering the Monster Fighter and Parley Master we already have in the party?
6. Were there any cards you were disappointed with or disliked in this list?

[wispy phoenix]

1. Old Book of Lore is extremely action intensive if you want it generate value and your name isn't Daisy. During initial play, I simply did not have the time to do small value searches every turn, it's not worth it until you get high octane action compression like Archaic Glyphs (Guiding Stones) and Pathfinder
2. Easily; the deck doesn't run expensive, but still has 10 cards worth of highly efficient econ regardless
3. I have never found DES to be worth it, and the odds of hitting dupes are even less in a 50 card deck than a 30 card one despite the Myriads
4. I don't intend to have them all in play at once; the Scrolls and Memoirs are ephemeral, then once they're gone mag glasses or the Lexicon give consistent value. They all provide useful redundancy
5. yes, imo, Rogue is imo Mandy's best subclass due to the overall compression it provides that she desperately wants
6. Maybe the Lexicon but that's about it

[dapper moon]

Ok, thank you. I'll probably cut up the deck a little further and see what I get. Thank you

[wispy phoenix]

No problem, happy to help

[mortal hazel]

Adding onto the above:

1. I'd say Old Book of Lore can be worth it if you very specifically build around it, specifically if you're planning on building around Abigail Foreman + the Raven Quill and/or Knowledge is Power, but beyond that, the value is just kinda low
2. DES can be incredibly potent but much moreso for a small deck than a big one. Pre-taboo Mandy could include it as part of an incredibly overpowered package, as could many other Seekers. If you can make DES work for Mandy these days, that probably means you're doing something very weird and absurd and are planning to be useless for ten turns then perform infinite actions and win in one.
3. Rogue, if nothing else, provides a lot of very good economy for Mandy. Mandy is the reason a lot of Rogue 0-1 cards got taboo'd, but there's still a lot of good and efficient stuff there. These days Seekers have enough healing and encounter deck management and stuff that Mystic doesn't add much. There's an argument for Survivor, but I'd also lean towards Rogue, yeah.
4. wrt; Lexicon, the absolute certainty of it is nice, it works nicely with very high-draw (as opposed to search) decks, but yeah a lot of the time Seekers would prefer various events for enemy management. (i know the Lexicon technically works through events, but yanno what I mean.)

[dapper moon]

Ok, I'm crashing, last pass:
https://arkhamdb.com/deck/view/3728274
Night until the later

[astral flower]

I have a theory that forced learning is good in a yaotl persistence pete deck

But I'm not confident

[wispy phoenix]

Are we kicking off soon?

[proven acorn]

I'm here yeah

[wispy phoenix]

yippee

Hades is in SSC, I'll be there shortly

[dapper moon]

Tis indeed my router. I told it to restart and it decided to also update then

[mortal hazel]

I've had similar thoughts, though I'm not sure if Yaotl specifically synergizes with forced learning - you wanna control what goes in your discard pile

[wispy phoenix]

Pete and Jess Dream Team

[proven acorn]

We had some awful luck this scenario

[wispy phoenix]

shockingly bad!

Like wow

@proven acorn @dapper moon If y'all want to substantially change your decks or even change your gator, in my games we typically allow people to do that after scenario 1

But not after

[proven acorn]

I think I'm good as is
deck worked mostly as expected

[wispy phoenix]

I think my deck worked well aside from the parts where I just got completely shit on by token pulls

[proven acorn]

yeah, awful luck with the autofail

and how you drew Rotting Remains like five times

[dapper moon]

I think I need more search effects? Not sure

[wispy phoenix]

yup, and you have just the card to do it with

https://arkhamdb.com/card/07223

Mandy staple, every deck wants two of these ASAP

[proven acorn]

feel like I need something for Willpower, but not sure what I could get
maybe Moxie 3
though I still need to actually draw it too
though I have a good amount of committs from Crystallizer at least

[wispy phoenix]

Might want some Black Markets?

To help with draw

[proven acorn]

I was grabbing 2 Snitch so far, and then deliberating what to do with the last 3 XP

Black Market could be good

[wispy phoenix]

Black Market is such gas

[proven acorn]

got one Black Market
not much to do with the last XP for now
could upgrade 1 of my Lockpicks, but I think I'll just save it for now

[dapper moon]

@proven acorn @wispy phoenix both of you still looking good for Monday (or local equivalent)?

[wispy phoenix]

yeag

[proven acorn]

Yeah

[dapper moon]

I cast

[wispy phoenix]

I am no longer good for Monday, argh

Is Sunday possible instead?

[dapper moon]

Sadly, I have a one-shot to run 😢

[wispy phoenix]

Is earlier or later viable?

[dapper moon]

Later, totally. Earlier presents a slight problem of being awake, but I could make it, if that is the only possible time(s)

[wispy phoenix]

Depends on Alaen, basically

[dapper moon]

(Should I ping.... or?)

[mortal hazel]

Is there any reason not to ping when it comes to scheduling stuff? @proven acorn

[proven acorn]

huh the ping didn't show up for me, weird

[proven acorn]

I could do later than our previous time on Sundays potentially

an hour or two later or so probably, because I do also have something else before that normally (though not this week)

[wispy phoenix]

Ogays

It's only for this week probably

[wispy phoenix]

Can you hammertime that out?

[proven acorn]

well this week I'm probably good either way, since my game is cancelled this week

but if we had to in other week, about <t:1712455200:t> would be where I should be relatively definitely free

[wispy phoenix]

Easy

What about you, Hades?

[proven acorn]

if we're only switching days today, you two can probably just ping me when you're free today and it should be good

[wispy phoenix]

Ogays

[wispy phoenix]

@dapper moon thoughts on the above?

[dapper moon]

I will be occupied for probably the next 90-120 minutes, if starting then works I'd be down

[wispy phoenix]

2 hours from now sounds good

[wispy phoenix]

@proven acorn @dapper moon still good to go in about ~half an hour?

[proven acorn]

yep

[wispy phoenix]

I'm just waiting on some food atm

Hades is still running their one shot it seems, so I think I've got time

[proven acorn]

I'm ready, just chilling until Hades is here

[wispy phoenix]

Yup yup

[dapper moon]

HERE

@wispy phoenix @proven acorn in IPS-N hangout

[wispy phoenix]

nice

[proven acorn]

not doing much this time
Vamp just seems like a good upgrade, means I can test against 0 with Fine Clothes

also I realized now that Alessandra can actually get Eye of Valusia

might be worth an inclusion later in the campaign as a boss fighting tool

[wispy phoenix]

Yup, its kinda neat

I'm just collecting early game consistency upgrades

[proven acorn]

yeah I also still need to round out my staples still

I want a second Chuck and probably upgrade both of them to 5 if possible

[wispy phoenix]

For sure

[proven acorn]

also still thinking of getting Moxie 3

for some extra Mythos protection

for an alternative weapon, I was also considering picking up Ornate Bow

[wispy phoenix]

Bow is definitely nice

[dapper moon]

I might.... Just grab deduction upgrades?

Unless there's an easy way to send my research events back to deck

[exotic robin]

if you're running big hand, Farsight is probably the only reasonably way to do it

but Deduction (2) is just kinda cracked

hello yes I would like a Pilfer that costs 0 resources

[dapper moon]

I'm accidentally (?) running big hand? It's more just a side-effect of Search effects

[dapper moon]

@wispy phoenix @proven acorn
Everyone ready for ~6:30 tonight?

Er, or relevant time in your zone

[wispy phoenix]

yeag

[mortal hazel]

I typically use https://hammertime.cyou/ for these sorts of things

pretty quick once you get used to it

[wispy phoenix]

Can you hammertime that out for me?

[dapper moon]

In 10ish minutes

<t:1713227400:d>

Nope, one sec

<t:1713227400:t>
@wispy phoenix

(bow dow dow dow, bow dow, bow dow can't touch this)

[wispy phoenix]

Cool cool, I may be a bit late since I need to eat

[dapper moon]

I will as well, as I need to find a file for my wife, apparently

[dapper moon]

@wispy phoenix @proven acorn
Very sorry, I committed eepy and further what day it was

[wispy phoenix]

oh!!

oop

are we skipping today, then, or?

[proven acorn]

I'd prefer skipping this week now
getting a bit too late for me

[dapper moon]

Sorry :(

[proven acorn]

Np
We'll just pick up next week

[wispy phoenix]

All good!

[dapper moon]

Sounds good

[dapper moon]

@wispy phoenix @proven acorn we good for monday [or applicable day for you] at the usual time? (I can grab the timestamp if needed)

[proven acorn]

should be good, yeah

[wispy phoenix]

Yup!

[queen rune]

starting The Devourer Below, looking forward to finish an arc

[proven acorn]

good luck on Devourer

[wispy phoenix]

Yeah good luck ||you will definitely need it||

[queen rune]

rusty, enemies with doom tokens on them put the doom token back into the box when they die right?

[wispy phoenix]

Yes

[proven acorn]

yeah doom only counts while a card is in play
if they are defeated/discarded the doom is removed

[queen rune]

more mechanics questions: if a monster has prey and no hunter tag, they don't move if there's no investigator in the location?

[proven acorn]

yes

but Prey is also only a tiebreaker if there would be multiple valid characters for engaging or Hunter

[queen rune]

ok good that i checked hunter tag cause the question i would have asked would be "hey if i failed disengage as first action against an opponent with prey, wouldn't it make no sense to try disengage using action two considering even if i moved away with action three, the monster re-engages from move right?"
but i guess the question is still valid for enemies with hunter?

[proven acorn]

Well if you Evade them, they are exhausted, and they only untap in the Upkeep phase after the Hunter trigger happens

[queen rune]

OH, that is the part i forgot to do

[wispy phoenix]

Except if they have "only" at the end

Which means they'll only ever auto engage the listed character

[queen rune]

ah

[proven acorn]

oh yeah, that is true

though I think that's mostly on some monster weaknesses

[queen rune]

dang

daisy died to grasping hands... due to a -2 token

[proven acorn]

rough

[wispy phoenix]

Oof

[queen rune]

wait hold... nvm she just got knocked out, didn't realize how death work

1 physical trauma tho (on top of one psychic... and this is only mission 3)

[proven acorn]

well Devourer Below is the last scenario of that campaign

[queen rune]

that's true

but man this is untimely

still only in act 1

[proven acorn]

Devourer Below is really tough

infamously so

[queen rune]

ah

engaged investigators are allowed to drag the enemies they're engaged with via moving and tanking the attack of opportunities right?

[proven acorn]

yeah

[queen rune]

and agendas only advance during mythos phase?

[proven acorn]

the agenda only advances when the doom is added in the mythos phase, yeah

or if a card explicitly says it can advance the agenda

[wispy phoenix]

There are exceptions, like if you draw doom placing encounter cards out of phase that explicitly state they can advance, yeah

[proven acorn]

this is why Ancient Evils can be so tough

[queen rune]

ok cool mine just adds more tokens than the agenda target so it's... accidentally fine?

for certain definitions of fine lmao

[proven acorn]

if something just adds extra doom tokens, that does give you an extra round to respond, yeah

unless you draw an encounter during upkeep somehow, which can happen

[queen rune]

merely chose to get punched by silver twilight acolyte during investigation phase since this is banks originally staying in a location with no clue and a whimpy enemy

note that bank also missed so.... calculated move but man am i bad at math

[proven acorn]

ah yeah

[queen rune]

whew, that rush of endorphin an elder sign reveal gives

shame it didn't do much flashy stuff, merely prevented bad thing

oh...

i was checkmated 4 turns ago...

setup had ||the healing location||, which means ||upon drawing cover up, i lose due to not having enough possible clues to turn in. which i did, 4 turns ago||

[wispy phoenix]

I don't quite understand

[queen rune]

i misread what Cover Up does, turns out.

[proven acorn]

Cover Up takes clues from the pool, yeah

not from you

[queen rune]

i thought i'd need to discard the clue from both the board and the card

whew

[wispy phoenix]

yeah

[queen rune]

alas, hit time limit, just gonna say this session never happened lmao

[proven acorn]

Devourer is very hard, especially if you didn't do perfectly in Midnight Masks already

[queen rune]

i am certainly sweating since i'm still on act 1 when the agenda went to 3

[dapper moon]

@wispy phoenix @proven acorn we still on for <t:1715041800>?

[proven acorn]

yeah

[wispy phoenix]

yeag

[dapper moon]

Cool <3

[dapper moon]

90 minutes, yeah?

[wispy phoenix]

yup!

[dapper moon]

@wispy phoenix @proven acorn everyone still good for the usual time, usual suspects?

[proven acorn]

yep

[wispy phoenix]

In two days time? Yup

[proven acorn]

we fucking blitzed through the second half of Union and Disillusion
and cleared out all the victory locations to boot

things just really came together for a bit

[wispy phoenix]

alessandra good

[proven acorn]

Snitch is insane clue compression when it works
though it was greatly aided by everything being connected in this scenario

[wispy phoenix]

yeah its fuckin wild good

[proven acorn]

also finally got some String value this scenario haha

[queen rune]

take 2, tho playing during work hours so likely to take a while

[queen rune]

Everyone is so low .. advanced agenda 3 while still in act 1, ended up with resolution 3

[wispy phoenix]

Are you only playing with the core set cardpool?

[queen rune]

Core plus dunwitch, pretty sure I netdecked the 3 investigators

[wispy phoenix]

ouch yeah

You're missing a lot of staple cards that way unfortunately

[queen rune]

Ah

Lol wait even with dunwitch added into the pool, it's still too shallow for staples?

[wispy phoenix]

I mean, it is a pretty expansive game, tbf

[queen rune]

Fair

[mortal hazel]

Core + Dunwich works pretty well for Guardians and especially Seekers, some classic gamebreaking Seeker combos (if you play without taboo) only require Core + Dunwich, and even with taboo they're really solid.

Mystics and Survivors have basic functionality, but Survivors really came into their own with Carcosa, and Rogues... took a few more expansions

[queen rune]

No wonder Jenny felt the most underwhelming... Granted that's partially related to her flat statline

[proven acorn]

flat 3 statline is also pretty hard to make work

especially on a small cardpool

[exotic robin]

flat statline, an ability that gives you +1 money and kinda meh deckbuilding is Not Great

she's like, not the strongest Rogue ever, and Rogues only get like, functional in The Circle Undone

[queen rune]

yeah going in i didn't realize AH rewards specialization more than jack-of-all trades-ing

[proven acorn]

the small cardpool also just does you no favors
with the full pool you have a lot more tools to cover what you need, which does also matter a lot for some classes

[dapper moon]

If I've got a teammate who likes putting bless in the bag and even more so likes drawing it, is it worth taking Versatile on Daisy to grab Book of Psalms? It's an easy solution to Necronomicon horror, is a team-wide buff, and is generally a good card to have.

(From deck creation to be clear)

[mortal hazel]

From deck creation, if you wanted to be clever, you could take parallel daisy's deckbuilding and combine it with the original front. It may not be worth it to give up higher-level seeker and mystic cards for it, but it's a consideration.

Otherwise yeah if you build Daisy right, a 35 card deck is not hard to churn through

Though I usually just leave the Necronomicon in play since I'd rather spend three actions doing something else than clear it

[dapper moon]

Yeah, I was planning on (if I take Psalms) taking the "draw cards but add curse" event

[dapper moon]

It's the hand slot that kills me, usually

[dapper moon]

Deep Knowledge is the event name

[exotic robin]

there's a lot of solutions to that. Like, at an absolute minimum, Daisy's Tote Bag still nets you +1 slot, and in a larger card pool you have Abigail and Raven Quill

[wispy phoenix]

Daisy can also take Astral Mirror if you're not running anything in your arcane slot

Which is both more hand slots and even more extra actions

Daisy has a glut of options here

[proven acorn]

the handslots reminds me of when Ace and me did Unspeakable Oath in Carcosa, and she as Daisy just spent nearly the entire scenario with the ||straitjacket|| in her threat area
don't need hands if you got your trusty bag

[pale jacinth]

Yeah, it was very funny afterwards to see people talking about the scenario elsewhere and discussing how scary ||the straitjacket|| was while I had just been there with my little bag and and my books not caring at all

[dapper moon]

Ok, this is for a Scarlett Keys campaign. I know I definitely have a Lily Chen that uses Blessed Blade as her primary damage dealer.

Link: https://arkhamdb.com/deck/view/3859123
Text:

Trauma: 2 Mental
2x  Archaic Glyphs
1x  Book of Psalms 
1x  Dream Diary 
2x  Old Book of Lore
1x The Necronomicon 
Arcane
2x  Ineffable Truth
Accessory
1x  Holy Rosary
1x  St. Hubert's Key
Ally
2x  Dr. Milan Christopher
2x  Research Librarian
Other
1x Daisy's Tote Bag 
2x  Forbidden Knowledge
1x  Scientific Theory •
Permanent (2)
1x In the Thick of It
1x Versatile •• 
Event (12)
2x  Deep Knowledge 
2x Emergency Cache
2x  Logical Reasoning
2x  Ward of Protection
2x  Ward of Radiance 
2x  Working a Hunch
Skill (6)
2x  Deduction
2x Perception
2x  Promise of Power 
Enemy (1)
1x Silver Twilight Acolyte 

Anyone have thoughts?

I was thinking about dropping something to grab healing word or medical text for a little bit of physical healing, but I'm not 100% sure.

[wispy phoenix]

I'd straight up throw Ineffable Truth and Forbidden Knowledge out the window, neither are good cards for you or really good cards in general

Emergency Cache is pretty easily replaced with Burning the Midnight Oil, and you have room to include Crack the Case as well

Which pretty cleanly takes care of your econ

I'd also ditch Scientific Theory, which is similary just not a good card

[dapper moon]

I do need something for evade (played a teaching game tonight and got absolutely lampooned by the number of enemies that chose to jump me) so is there a cheap card you'd slot into the spot Scientific Theory leaves?

[exotic robin]

Cryptic Writings is a pretty solid option for Daisy - it's pretty reliable when you're searching 3 cards every turn

[exotic robin]

evading base 3 with an asset is like, not worth it

[wispy phoenix]

If you're in a 2p game you doooon't really need enemy management of your own unless things get really dire

[dapper moon]

It'll be 4

[wispy phoenix]

Oh, that was not mentioned

[dapper moon]

Ah, sorry

[exotic robin]

Seekers also just have some cracked events to fight with that'll get an enemy off you

[dapper moon]

got a recommendation?

[wispy phoenix]

I'd either go "I've got a plan" or Transmogrify

[exotic robin]

Transmog is great

[dapper moon]

Note that I will have a(n) xp if I drop SciTheory

[exotic robin]

Daisy can also use Occult Invocation p well, she defo has the card advantage for it

Occult Lexicon is also. a decent option

[wispy phoenix]

Transmogrify needs some foresight to use, but it can hard shut down stuff with one action other stuff needs multiple to do

[exotic robin]

it's clunky, but testless

and Daisy has the hand slots to hold the book

[wispy phoenix]

yeah Lexicon is pretty sweet

[dapper moon]

sounds good. I'll look at options

[wispy phoenix]

@dapper moon @proven acorn I am unfortunately not good for game this week, can we move it to Tuesday?

[dapper moon]

Not easily. If we need to pass this week, that's ok, cause I don't have a lot of days where I'm free late enough to play

[wispy phoenix]

I can do Sunday as well if that works

[dapper moon]

I could do Sunday at T+4 hours from our usual start time

[proven acorn]

I could do Sunday later than our usual time, because Monday is a holiday fortunately

[wispy phoenix]

I'd be down for that

[queen rune]

hey there's no rule saying a party can't contain more than one investi8gator in the same class, right?

[wispy phoenix]

None at all

[queen rune]

kk, cool

[astral flower]

I've had parties with all same class even

[proven acorn]

baffled by the resolution of In The Clutches of Chaos

||did we just misread this or miss something, or does the resolution on this one just basically not matter?||

[mortal hazel]

no, that sounds about right

it's ||not a popular scenario,|| and people doing ironman challenges (play and win a campaign in a day) often ||just resign on turn one||

I like ||giving it my best shot anyway|| but I fully acknowledge ||that's just me being prideful.||

[wispy phoenix]

Wow Before the Black Throne really brought the hammer down on us

We decided to restart because Hades's internet was really poor, but before then ||we were on track for a Round 5 advance of Agenda 2||

[proven acorn]

thinking of making some starter decks for easing friends into learning the game a bit
I'll probably make one of each class, and let them choose
a bit unsure on some still, but currently my thoughts on picks are:
Guardian: Mark or Zoey (not sure if the self damage aspect of Mark is maybe a bit too much for beginners, and Zoey helps with econ on blue)
Seeker: Rex or Daisy (Rex feels a bit simpler, though Daisy has that 5 Int)
Mystic: Jacqueline
Rogue: Wini
Survivor: Stella or Pete (unsure if the fail forward suite with Stella is maybe a bit too unintuitive for newer players, and Pete can flex pretty well)

[wispy phoenix]

Oh I actually have some starter decks already made if you want em

My picks are actually identical to yours as well, lol

Zoey/Rex/Wini/Jacqueline/Pete

[proven acorn]

oh yeah true I could have just asked you for yours haha

I would appreciate those deck lists, yeah

[wispy phoenix]

Sure thing

[astral flower]

I recommend Pete for survivor

I myself started with Stella and failing forward was unintuitive

[wispy phoenix]

Yeah

The unfortunate thing with Survivors is, because they're the oddball class, there's no real good beginner option

I think Pete is good enough

But I feel a lot of the power in Survivor is in mechanics that are at least somewhat advanced

[astral flower]

Pete is good enough because you get instant setup with him at the start of the game

you can always contribute a little bit, you're never useless

But the gap between "contributes a little bit" Pete and "optimized" Pete is gigantic

[formal depot]

Hiiiiiii

[dapper moon]

nerd

[formal depot]

Lmao been a while

[dapper moon]

Still a nerd >:D

But indeed

You getting into Arkham?

[formal depot]

Yep, Alaen offered to teach me

[dapper moon]

oh nice

It's a v good game

I hope you enjoy

[formal depot]

Posted about the game(I was Rex) in card games and then was directed here

[dapper moon]

ooh, got a link to the deck?

[formal depot]

https://arkhamdb.com/deck/view/3911134

[dapper moon]

Interesting. Is there a big reason for the Scavenging include? I count 5 qualifying cards, all of which stick around without overwriting and no Short Supply

[formal depot]

I think its for the ice picks later

[proven acorn]

the Scavenging in that deck is mostly to set up for Ice Pick 3 later yeah

I just ran people through Gathering with some premade decks for now

think we can do Midnight Masks to get a taste for a more proper scenario, and then try for a real campaign

side note, it's always funny to me how generous Gathering is with XP
though I guess you need it for how short the core box is

[dapper moon]

Gotcha.

Yeah Scavenge -> Ice Pick(s) is a pretty good combo

[proven acorn]

On Rex especially, you can get to three clues fairly reliably

[dapper moon]

Oh yeah

And the fact that it can pick it up on the same check that tossed it is really good

Oh, real quick: What is the primary issue that people have with Deep Knowledge?

[proven acorn]

You can't actually retrieve the Icepick on the same check you discard it AFAIK

But that just means you do it every other one or try and cycle both of them when possible

[dapper moon]

Oh you right

[proven acorn]

Do people have an issue with it?

It seems fine to me

Though Seeker has a lot of card draw options already

[dapper moon]

Uh, people recommended against it in my Blurse Daisy Deck

[mortal hazel]

In Daisy, it's mostly just that you don't remotely need it

It's better to just get your old book of lore or grim memoirs out as quickly and reliably as possible

[dapper moon]

Ah, I have played the deck twice now and I really appreciated it in both games when it came up

[mortal hazel]

If you specifically want to put curses in the bag, that's something else, though I'd probably go with Tempt Fate instead

[proven acorn]

Daisy does have OBoL yeah

Which gets you a lot of draw

[proven acorn]

I mean, if it works for you go for it
I don't think it's a bad card or anything, just that a lot of Seekers already have a bunch of other ways to draw too

[dapper moon]

Ah, I usually use the Book Action for Dream Diary, Psalms, or solving Archaic Glyphs (less so now that it's done)

I... could use Feed the Mind?

Or Empirical Hypothesis

No idea

[proven acorn]

The card selection old book gives you and your allies is pretty incredible IME

[dapper moon]

I'm near positive that is true, but I have books I use a lot more. Notably, cause we're in Scarlett Keys (cw: things you face in early Keys) ||there's a lot of horror, so Book of Psalms is really good|| and the Essence of the Dream is really, really good

[formal depot]

We managed to beat all of the cultists in Midnight Masks!!!!

[queen rune]

woah, pog

[formal depot]

https://arkhamdb.com/decklist/view/49002/preston-s-money-quest-1.0
Made my first ever deck

[proven acorn]

low effort meme I had to get out of my system 😛

[formal depot]

played Preston for the first time tonight and hyped for when I can do this

[wispy phoenix]

lmao

[proven acorn]

Played through the first prelude and scenario of Hemlock today

We did ||The Lost Sister|| first

Much crab punching ensued

[pale jacinth]

My brain immediately went to a Jenny deck I played with Delilah, Lola and Lonnie as the three weed smoking girlfriends post

[dapper moon]

I just laughed aloud at this and then had to try and explain to my dear wife why this is funny to me

[formal depot]

So I’m curious

Do y’all prefer Big Money Preston or Dark Horse Preston

[mortal hazel]

Big Money, at least on Hard

Dark Horse Preston sounds cute but on harder difficulties it's very hard for him to scale up enough to actually beat tests

It's much better to just dump your savings into your pool for Well-Connected and similar effects and otherwise try to do things testlessly.

[formal depot]

I’m doing Big Money rn and its a lot of fun

Partially because I sat shit like “I’m gonna transfer that to my personal bank account” and have like 40 resources

But when I was looking for decks it was almost all dark horse stuff

[dapper moon]

Me, building a THAC0 Darrell: :)
The Taboo List: >:(
pain

[dapper moon]

2x  Hawk-Eye Folding Camera 
1x  Lantern
1x  Microscope 
2x  Old Keyring 
Accessory
2x  Rabbit's Foot
Ally
2x  Medical Student
Other
1x Darrell's Kodak  
2x  Empirical Hypothesis  
2x  Matchbox 
2x  Schoffner's Catalogue
Event (6)
2x  Crack the Case 
2x Emergency Cache
2x  Winging It 
Skill (8)
2x  Deduction
2x  Long Shot 
2x Perception
2x  Resourceful
Treachery (2)
1x Random Basic Weakness 
1x Ruined Film  

https://arkhamdb.com/deck/view/3950954

Look at this Photograph - Darrell Simmons Deck for a Forgotten Age Campaign as the Cluever
I'm not sure I like Long Shot and Medical Student here.
On Long Shot, I feel like I could grab a better skill from the Seeker category to buff investigating, but having the ability to chip in that extra damage feels really helpful
On Medical Student I'm not sure if there's a better option for a little healing and tankiness in Survivor, or a better option for Darrell's Ally slot.

Thoughts and feedback are appreciated

[low osprey]

Are you looking for general feedback, or feedback that takes into account that this is for Forgotten Age?

[dapper moon]

Both, ig? Like, if there is feedback that is general but you wouldn't give knowing it's for forgotten age, avoid that, but all other advice is welcome

[low osprey]

Okay, so first I think I'd recommend literally any other accessory for Darrell aside from Rabbit's foot. I don't have any specific suggestions, but Darrell is not likely to fail a test every round, his ability makes that really hard to do unless you really really try to. I also think you have a lot of hand slot assets, and while I actually really like lantern, most of the other ones are things you want to keep around long term and that makes lantern a bit harder to use. I also don't think you want schoffner's catalogue and emergency cache, and being a survivor, that means you probably want to cut emergency cache since you can recur the catalogue

For forgotten age specific stuff, more movement would be good. Shortcut, for example. More soak also would be good. For that reason, I think you want another ally. I really like medical student, especially here, but you are likely to kill them quite quickly. As for long shot... I uh, I'm not sure. I like it a lot less in forgotten age, but it's really tempting. I have no idea if it's good

[astral flower]

You can also run take heart, as it draws cards

it's important to draw into your combo

I agree you should run another ally, milan is good

[low osprey]

You want Milan to stick around though

Which makes medical student a lot less helpful

[astral flower]

also, run short supply in a resourceful deck

that is probably also going to buy scavenging later

I think it's fine to just run 1 medical student, then if you draw it first, play it and let it die to one of the billion damaging treacheries TFA has then play milan after

if you draw and play milan first then draw medical student after you can commit it and it's just one dead draw

(you can also go down to 0 medical students if you really don't want dead draws, it's up to you)

[low osprey]

Oh! Bandages!

Take Bandages

[astral flower]

empirical hypothesis is limit 1 per gator, so don't run 2 copies. I think long shot is bad as serena mentioned

[low osprey]

Resourceful/scavenging makes them very good

Especially in forgotten age, which is going to forgotten age at you a bunch

[dapper moon]

I'm running 2 copies because it's a really good card to get early.

[astral flower]

It's not 100% necessary and you don't want to draw the second copy ever

[mortal hazel]

It's not really different from having two copies of LCC pre-relic hunter

I do often go with just one Hypothesis, but I usually also make sure to have really good draw

[astral flower]

I think rogues are a lot more dependent on draw than Darrell is and also have more oversuccess tools, so it makes more sense to run 2 LCCs in them

[dapper moon]

Asset (17)
Hand
2x  Hawk-Eye Folding Camera 
1x  Lantern
1x  Microscope 
2x  Old Keyring 
Body
1x Tool Belt 
Ally
2x  Jeremiah Kirby 
Other
2x  Bandages
1x Darrell's Kodak  
1x  Empirical Hypothesis  
2x  Matchbox 
2x  Schoffner's Catalogue
Event (6)
2x  Crack the Case 
2x  Shortcut 
2x  Winging It 
Skill (8)
2x  Deduction
2x  Long Shot 
2x Perception
2x  Resourceful
Treachery (2)
1x Ruined Film  
1x Unspeakable Oath (Cowardice)  

I've ended up here, I think

That Unspeakable Oath is a really rough weakness, but with all of my things, I should be able to deal with it, I think?

[astral flower]

You can consider pelt shipment too

Great card for darrell

[dapper moon]

What would you cut to slot one in?
Maybe a Perception?

Asset (18)
Hand
2x  Hawk-Eye Folding Camera 
1x  Lantern
1x  Microscope 
2x  Old Keyring 
Body
1x Tool Belt 
Ally
2x  Jeremiah Kirby 
Other
2x  Bandages
1x Darrell's Kodak  
1x  Empirical Hypothesis  
2x  Matchbox 
1x  Pelt Shipment 
2x  Schoffner's Catalogue
Event (6)
2x  Crack the Case 
2x  Shortcut 
2x  Winging It 
Skill (7)
2x  Deduction
1x  Eureka!
2x  Long Shot 
2x  Resourceful
Treachery (2)
1x Unspeakable Oath (Cowardice) 
1x Ruined Film

https://arkhamdb.com/deck/view/3950954
This is what I've got now. Again, thoughts and feedback appreciated. (A/N: This is a deck for Forgotten Age, if that alters advice.)

[astral flower]

(mild innsmouth story asset spoilers)
I paid for the whole board, I'll use the whole board

[proven acorn]

oh wow, Observed

[formal depot]

HOLY SHIT
I just had a spectacular moment with Big Money Preston

I finished off a boss fight by purchasing our Guardians Runic Axe in the middle of the fight and used it+well connected to finish off the boss

you owe me one is a card of all time

[formal depot]

oh I forgot to mention
I used a Decoy to exhaust 2 enemies in the same term

in order to clear the way for the just focusing the boss

we had like.... 5 or 6 enemies in the same location at multiple points

with the boss still there

[glad bolt]

https://youtu.be/crbv1SzaYQk oh forgot to share this last night when though I said I would @autumn wraith @tough owl

[exotic robin]

Earthborne Rangers good

[autumn wraith]

Ty!

[autumn wraith]

Is there any way to play Earthborne Rangers online? Much as I adore physical board games, they sadly cut down on the groups I can play them with

[formal depot]

hiiii chat
we gt banished to the weird gimmick dimension today

[proven acorn]

Did not expect ||a minecart sequence||, but we managed to clear a route pretty quickly fortunately

[exotic robin]

we've used this yesterday: https://beta.dragncards.com/plugin/8

worked pretty well

for deckbuilding, I think you need to create one on RangersDB and import https://rangersdb.com/

[autumn wraith]

Oooh ty ty

Especially since it looks like there's no real way of getting a physical copy before Q4 2024

[dapper moon]

How many autofails do you need to pull in one encounter before you conclude the damn bag is cursed? Asking for a friend (I'm the friend)

[dapper moon]

Scarlet Keys spoilers:
||Does anyone know if there's a card like The Claret Knight (bank resources then can ship them to others or self later) in the normal player pool?||

[proven acorn]

Ariadne's Twine can do some of that, though more limited

[tough owl]

Venturer or Cleaning Kit kind of

[dapper moon]

Ah, those all convert resources to other things. I was looking for something that would let me share resources with my allies

[tough owl]

oh
uh
Teamwork, Stand Together

I only know blue cards

[dapper moon]

ew, imagine actually fighting monsters

[tough owl]

hey sometime there's no monsters to fight

and my allies have to collect little not-damage-tokens

[dapper moon]

lol

I'm a staunch Purple/Yellow player, so I don't think I've done damage in the last 5 or so sessions I've played XD

[proven acorn]

"I'll Pay You Back"
but that's all of your resources at once unfortunately, so more tricky

[dapper moon]

Sadge

[proven acorn]

They weren't lying, that night can longest

Had to pause that one midway, we just took a bit too long

[formal depot]

Hardest holdout style encounter I’ve had in any game

Tbh

[dapper moon]

Is there a good spell tutor available for mystic 2 or less?

I just need to find a single spell in a daisy deck

[tough owl]

Word of Command

[mortal hazel]

alternatively, if you've got a large cardpool, simply doubling down on your Old Book of Lore with Abigail and Raven Quill can work

[tough owl]

there's also Arcane Initiate if there are some other spells you want to look for, or you've got whatever seeker card the "when you search and find this get something" is called

[compact fern]

Arkham is going well tonight [spoilers for Feast of Hemlock Vale]

[compact fern]

Better screenshot

[astral flower]

[proven acorn]

||that location is on fire fortunately||

[formal depot]

I ended the game with 51 money

PRESTON HOURS

[compact fern]

I ended with 3!

[proven acorn]

We cleaned house in Threads of Fate
Got a little close at the end, but we got everything done

[compact fern]

Woooo

(What's Threads of Fate?)

[proven acorn]

The third scenario in Forgotten Age

[proven acorn]

they're finally doing it, Cthulhu coming

https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/17/58/17587f1a-d347-483b-a373-9de4df609cbe/arkham_horror_dark_horse_comic_issue01_lcg_parallel_investigators.pdf
also parallel Jenny

that new front seems pretty good, off class Talents on the back also opens up some possibilities

[exotic robin]

she gets all of the level 3 multiclass talents from EotE

[tough owl]

lol

[mortal hazel]

she can get all the permanents

[exotic robin]

oh damn, she gets Scavenging?

[exotic robin]

non-pernament only

[tough owl]

up to 10 non-permanent Talent cards level 0-5

[mortal hazel]

oh, aww

fair

lmao

[exotic robin]

still pretty strong

she gets like Pathfinder

and Well Prepared

oh she just gets Empirical Hypothesis at max

and like

all of these come in without a play action and at a -1 discount

[proven acorn]

and you can ditch a talent if necessary for a quick refund

[exotic robin]

yeah

potentially quite nice with like, the EotE talents? can't recur them tho

[proven acorn]

I don't think there are that many talents you would want to regularly ditch, but I see it more as an emergency option if you need some resources

[exotic robin]

oh

actually

a funny one

base Pickpocketing

https://arkhamdb.com/bundles/cards/09062.png

[proven acorn]

looking over the list what would be some useful Talents to snag from other classes
Empirical Hypothesis is probably up there, and the tri class talents
Drawing Thin
Scavenging
Try and Try Again, maybe?

[proven acorn]

oh yeah Disguise is a good one for that

[proven acorn]

Well Prepared?

[exotic robin]

yeah, might be an evade fighter build there, with Pickpocketing, Dirty Fighting and Disguise

[exotic robin]

Well Prepared is good! and her new guns do just have two wild icons

[proven acorn]

her advanced pistols also look kinda decent now
though you might need some help or pump some resources into Streetwise to clear the advanced weakness

[exotic robin]

depends on the icons on your assets really

yeah, I like the new guns quite a lot

[proven acorn]

Steady Handed could potentially help with Rogue oversuccess stuff too?

[exotic robin]

oh yeah

I've been kinda thinking it might be good for Trish

+1 on oversuccess stuff and horror healing

and getting it for cheap makes it have a really low opportunity cost

[mortal hazel]

Physical Training + Hyperawareness (or Streetwise) + Well Prepared + 1 composure of choice if you just wanted well-rounded stats, maybe

without basic Jenny's money stuff, pumping for stats on the regualr might be too expensive

And even with Well Prepared + another talent, you're going to have trouble testing at higher than 7

Lone Wolf being fast and free to play helps a bit

One issue is that nearly all useful talents cost XP

hmmm

Evade-Fighter might be the best shout

You do have True Grit and Something Worth Fighting For as potential soak options to cover for a Stylish Coat or composure

First Aid gets a bit better when played fast for 1 resource

Fieldwork... can help with early investigates, but gets a lot better if you can successfully combine it with Safeguard/Pathfinder

hmm

if you can get your intellect high enough (somehow), Burglary... might almost be worth a look. idk how you'd do that without magnifying glasses, though.

[dapper moon]

Pendant of the Queen is truly an excellent card

I understand why it's not as crazy as I think it is

But we did the Eternal Slumber scenario last night and made out with 8 exp. Which is WILD.

[proven acorn]

it's very good yeah

[low osprey]

Oh, it definitely is. That card is wild

[dapper moon]

Oh, ok. Is it nearly an auto-include in any Seeker deck? Or not quite that silly?

[low osprey]

I don't think I would say it's an auto include, since it costs xp and takes work to set up, but there are very few problems it doesn't solve with no effort

[exotic robin]

if you can find it and recharge it reliably then it's like... kinda busted?

[low osprey]

It can evade elites from anywhere with no actions, it can teleport you anywhere, it can get you clues

It used to not get removed when it was empty

Which, how could that have been printed like that?

[mortal hazel]

It's completely banned in our playgroup kinda silly

Though I guess it's kinda not too insane if you can't recharge it

It's actually at its strongest in Trish with Eldritch Sophist + Red Clock to give it infinite charges, and Trish can of course get double use out of it (or more, if you can find her a useful tome to slap Raven Quill onto)

It also auto-evades any enemy, including gods :P

[exotic robin]

if you're not recharging it, I think it's mostly just okay and needs a deck that can find it reliably so like... Trish or Daisy, but both of them have means of recharging it so your team is going to be giving you the side-eye if they know what's up haha

three auto-evades on Elites is pretty good

[mortal hazel]

there's also quite a few missions where the teleport function is absurd

[formal depot]

God I wish The Favor Cycle had upgrades

I have been playing Big Money Preston and they are good cards but it would be so cool if I could get enhanced versions

like imagine a Small Favor that can infinite pump into damage, or just has the better damage in general

[formal depot]

Chat we did so good into todays scenario

[formal depot]

TFW you have so much XP you just take Observed

[compact fern]

We just, sorta did it in what, 4 turns?

Getting what I can only assume is the optional harder resolution

[mortal hazel]

yeahh, at least Money Talks and Well Connected have upgrades

[dapper moon]

Leomund's Secret Chest
0 Cost - Mystic Level 1
Will

{Fast} Exhaust Leomund's Secret Chest: Move up to 3 resources from your resource pool to this card. Any Investigator at your location may trigger this ability.

Resources on this card can be spent as though they were in any investigator's resource pool.

[exotic robin]

custom card?

[dapper moon]

Yeah

Was just thinking about how I would do a Claret Knight effect but not as a scenario effect

[formal depot]

I feel like this would work better as a rogue card than a mystic one

Since Mystics do not have good econ, and as a rogue card it would basically let you use your amazing rogue econ to do stuff like support the mystic and guardians

[dapper moon]

That makes sense. I was mainly just wondering what kind of lore justification I could make for it and "literally just an extra dimensional space for you & your buddies" is a classic DND spell, hence it's mystic

But like "Moonshine Cache" or "Secret Stockpiles" might be an equally valid flavor

[formal depot]

I do think this should take up a slot, maybe even an arcane slot

[formal depot]

https://arkhamdb.com/decklist/view/49002/preston-s-money-quest-1.0
Here is my Preston deck, I am pretty proud of this thing

for my first deck I think I did pretty damn good

wait a minute the share link hasn't been updated huh

https://arkhamdb.com/decklist/view/49785/preston-s-money-quest-2.0

[dapper moon]

Does this game Hate Alaen™️? Further Evidence:
On 3 separate checks in one turn, pulled autofail

[proven acorn]

it was ridiculous

on a check I really needed to succeed to get rid of some Doom too

[compact fern]

Woooooooo

We beat Hemlock Vale!!!

[formal depot]

Big Money Preston was way more consistent than I thought it would be

Permeant Streetwise was genuinely enough to make me a whole ass charecter

[dapper moon]

Are there any decks that utilize Chemistry Set effectively?

[exotic robin]

Kate science deck

Steady-Handed makes it fairly reliable to hit a condition and it's a Science card, so you can move a clue to it

[dapper moon]

Can Kate be effectively run as a Solo character or is her base fight too low?

[compact fern]

Yeah it was pretty sweet

I played as Luke and god, I am going to miss the Gate Box. I didn't really use his ability, cause I'm still new to the game and by the time I realised he had one it was too late to rebuild my deck, but the Gate Box is still so powerful

[dapper moon]

I CAST: later, nerds.

[compact fern]

Engaged with three enemies and don't have your spells? Gate Box. Need to travel to the other side of the map now? Gate Box. Need a turn to set up in a safe place? Gate Box.

And I never really ran out of charges on it, either

Three charges plus getting one on an Elder Sign, combined with a few charge events is plenty

[proven acorn]

If you pick up some enemy handling, you might be fine

Occult Lexicon can do a lot

You can also just evade

[dapper moon]

I wish there was a spell or something that you could slap down, and when you moved, you could pop a charge to move an extra space. Like a multi-use shortcut or something

[proven acorn]

Eon Chart 😛

[dapper moon]

That's specifically not what I was looking for

Like, it works, ig

But the thing I was looking for is an upgrade of "I move, use this to move even more"

[proven acorn]

Haste, kinda I guess

But yeah there isn't really anything exactly like that

[proven acorn]

Oh, Track Shoes

[dapper moon]

Oh, yeah

Those would work well

[exotic robin]

uh, maybe? never really played solo, but she can evade if she has to. I suspect you'd have to lean on the like, more nonsense parts of the Seeker cardpool? or at least have Acidic Ichor

[dapper moon]

Mmm, Crack The Case and Burning the Midnight Oil should be enough resources, I think

Oh, along with Christopher Milan

https://arkhamdb.com/deck/view/4100291

2x Alchemical Distillation
1x Hyperphysical Shotcaster • •
1x Magnifying Glass
2x Microscope
1x Occult Lexicon
Arcane
2x Dream-Enhancing Serum
Accessory
2x Chemistry Set
Ally
2x Dr. Milan Christopher
2x Laboratory Assistant
Other
2x Empirical Hypothesis
1x Steady-Handed •
1x Strange Solution
Permanent (2)
1x Flux Stabilizer
1x In the Thick of It
Event (6)
2x Burning the Midnight Oil
2x Crack the Case
2x Tinker
Skill (5)
2x Deduction
1x Perception
2x Well-Funded
Treachery (2)
1x Failed Experiment
1x Random Basic Weakness

[Shotcaster has the Railshooter Upgrade]

Early upgrades are Charisma, Occult Lexicon (3), Higher Education (3), Magnifying Glass (1), Alchemical Distillation Refined x2

I think

[dapper moon]

I could maybe use Mind Over Matter or "I've got a Plan!" but I don't know what I would pitch to do so

[compact fern]

Oh, also, extremely funny: the Enervation encounter card

You make a test (I forget what), if you fail you discard the highest cost card in your hand. Lodge Debts, Preston's weakness, costs 10.

(Lodge Debts gives you a mental trauma if it's still in your hand at the end of the scenario)

[compact fern]

Edge of the Earth, scenario one:

I am wondering if Alaen is like, actually cursed irl because he's drawn like, two autofails every turn

The three of us have 10+ resources each

[compact fern]

In a single scenario

@proven acorn has identified all his cards

[proven acorn]

I went mad with unidentified cards, but at least managed to finish all my minigames immediately

[dapper moon]

Alaen is the harbinger of autofails. I'm truly convinced of it.

EVERY session I push the "rolls stats" button. Every session Alaen is labeled an auto-fail magnet

To the point I'm this close to seeing if there's cards I can bring that benefit from him drawing autofails, it's that reliable

[formal depot]

I drew two autofails in a row

[proven acorn]

there were a lot of autofails this scenario

at least we didn't draw any Frost related autofails yet

[compact fern]

I feel like we have to have averaged at least one autofail a turn

[dapper moon]

jesus

[dapper moon]

Are clues Kate puts on science cards still valid to be spent?

[proven acorn]

yes

you still control them, and can spend/drop/remove/etc them

[dapper moon]

ty

[proven acorn]

Kate is kinda weird, because all the clue shuffling looks kinda complicated but ultimately mostly just means you get some skill bonuses

[exotic robin]

it's a lot of hoops to jump through but tbh being able to spike random tests to like +6 is pretty handy

[proven acorn]

it is pretty useful, yeah

I mostly meant that her ability has fairly little actual cost, beyond needing an asset and the opportunity cost of not getting the bonus again until you clear it

Well it makes your weakness worse I guess

[mortal hazel]

yeah it's definitely awkward

though Quick Study can help a lot with that, if you haven't been too greedy

[proven acorn]

I have seen some people suggest that Kate looking really complicated and doing weird science stuff that no one else understands is an example of flavor resonance lmao

[dapper moon]

Shotcaster was a VERY important include into the Solo Kate deck 😓

Just playing through Zealot episode 1

And it has saved my ASS

hmm, now to figure out what campaign to actually solo

Path to Carcossa, maybe?

[dapper moon]

Silliest Possible opening hand for a Solo Kate game XD

[dapper moon]

Path to Carcosa Scenario #1 Location Spoilers:
||The fact you take horror from looking too close at the green room is so funny and painfully accurate||

[astral flower]

Cluedrop Kate is the closest thing Arkham has to a conbo deck

Once you get your engine set up you trivialize the scenario because your research notes ignore shroud and give you like 3 clues an action and you're at +4-6 to all random treachery tests (and have forewarned for the testless ones) and can quick study to negate your weakness and can flux capacitor to deal with enemies and move for free with pathfinder and eon charts

Before that you're a mediocre gator struggling to get clues

There are other seekers who can do busted stuff too but for them it's more like gradually getting more powerful as they build up resources

Kate goes from like 30% power to 200% power in a couple of turns

[compact fern]

Alaen keeps drawing autofails

[tough owl]

what're they playing?

[compact fern]

Uh

I forget his name. Card draw Seeker

Norman Withers?

[compact fern]

Harvey

The old white men blend together in my head

I'm aboutta unload a BAR into a boss monster, killing it instantly before it gets to do anything

[compact fern]

I'm gonna do it again

[formal depot]

Playing a mystic is wild
We are barely into the campaign and I have already spent 28 xp

[compact fern]

I killed like, 7 monsters with the BAR in two turns

The entire campaign so far, I've been kind of fumbling around, doubting myself on if my deck was actually useful

And then the Combat Scenario started

And I ended it

[proven acorn]

For reference, that was me drawing an autofail on a test with Glyphs, that I paid resources into and committed a Deduction

Fortunately Glyphs op and I could still pick up six clues in one action a few turns later 😛

[compact fern]

Yeah, he was testing at like, +14 or something ridiculous he put (almost) everything into it

I had convinced him to save a resource for the second investigate

[mortal hazel]

always consider the autofail

you shouldn't live in fear of it, but always have a plan B for if it happens

[proven acorn]

It wasn't backbreaking ultimately, just sucked a bit in the moment

I paid in like 3 resources and a Deduction

But that's just how it goes when you Glyphs and Higher Education
Sometimes you just get unlucky

Not too much I can do against that except bully our Mystic into playing Seal of the Seventh Sign 😛

[compact fern]

@formal depot

[formal depot]

lmao

[prime blade]

huh this topic exists
since it was on sale I bought it! heard it's 2nd iteration is better, altho i still have to try and play it and i was locked because i did not understand from after the studying room you go in the first chapter of the included campaign
but i'm a sucker for hpl so this game is a must for me

[exotic robin]

"second iteration"?

[mortal hazel]

Revised Core, probably?

[dapper moon]

Alaen remains cursed: Turn 2, pulls an auto-fail against a "take horror by number failed check"

[compact fern]

What was the test number

[proven acorn]

Yithians are present in my threat area

[formal depot]

"There are Yithians in my threat area" read like "There are federal agents outside my home"

[tough owl]

Hot single Yithians in your threat area!

[proven acorn]

I'm now imagining Kymani in the Stuff pose

[proven acorn]

also it was 3

I took six horror by turn two
and then another three not too long after
and spent the remainder of the scenario one horror away from defeat

[compact fern]

Damn

[wispy phoenix]

Alaen attracts the autofail at the absolute worst times

I don't know what it is

[prime blade]

yeah I mean thtat

[formal depot]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MfyBJJGC1RY
The vibe most of the time
Warning for explicit lyrics

[proven acorn]

saw this on the reddit, unfortunately not sourced though

[mortal hazel]

Official stream

It's legit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV0MOEffCiw

[proven acorn]

Seems like people assuming McGlen might be big gun Rogue were onto something

[astral flower]

The Beretta rises

[wispy phoenix]

[exotic robin]

what was the last token

wait, what is happening here

pulling another after the +1 and the ?

[wispy phoenix]

This is ||Innsmouth Scenario 7||

Rex's advanced sig pulls another token, then I hit the Cultist and ||draw another due to the effect, which is a curse so I just cut it off there because autofail||

[exotic robin]

oooh, the advanced signature

[mortal hazel]

tbh would be tempted just to take his advanced sigs just 'cause the advanced weakness is simpler to run

[wispy phoenix]

Yeah, and the advanced Search for the Truth is actually meaningfully balanced on the whole I think

[exotic robin]

yeah, I do like Parallel Rex tbh

[mortal hazel]

I'm not entirely sure about that, but then again tbh vanilla Rex's most insane stuff always involved recurring stuff with Scavenging anyway

so it's not exactly like recursion is a new thing for him

(and even without his signature he can just build to draw through his deck repeatedly and recur things "the long way around" anyway)

[astral flower]

what did vanilla murphy recur?

[mortal hazel]

Mostly high-power Seeker items

Stuff like Ancient Stones is a classic

[astral flower]

that makes sense

[formal depot]

Stephan U. Kaina, The Time Traveler 
Cursed, Wayfarer 
Willpower: 4
Intellect: 3
Combat: 1 
Agility: 4

Health: 6 Sanity: 8

You have a +3 bonus to all skill tests made during additional actions, if you choose to gain resources with an additional action you gain 2 more.  

Elder Sign: +0, You may take an additional action during this turn.  

Deck Size: 30
Deckbuilding Options: Rogue 0-5, Mystic 0, Fortune cards 0-3
Deckbuilding Requirements(Do not count towards deck size): 3x Time Distortion, Destined Death, 1 Random Basic Weakness

Time Distortion
Cost:0
Event, Spell
Fast

1 Wild
1 Willpower
1 Agility 

Spend any numbers of actions, you take one more than that many additional actions during your next turn. 

Destined Death
Treachery
Weakness
Curse

Reveal the top 3 cards of the encounter deck, draw any treacheries revealed this way and discard the rest. 

I had a silly idea for a homebrew investigator

Lore idea is that they are from 10 years in the future who found a way backwards to try and escape their own death

Play all those weird time cards in rogue

Guy Who Was Out Of Time So He Found More Time By Time Traveling But Then His Time Is Running Out So He Started Running From Time

[proven acorn]

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2024/9/12/the-drowned-city/

Drowned City finally officially announced

[compact fern]

Huh, neat

Wonder what the other 4 will be

[formal depot]

Big Gun Rogue is extremely likely now that we know who the guardian is

[proven acorn]

theorizing with fluffy that all of the investigators might have a choice of two classes

but maybe that's just Agatha

[formal depot]

I am also theorizing that the 6th gator is neutral

And hoping that we have a True Neutralgator

Guy who only has neutral 0-5

But something to make up for it

[mortal hazel]

naw, the only investigator whose class is unknown at this point is Michael's, and he's definitely gonna be a Rogue, otherwise there wouldn't be any rogue in this expansion

[formal depot]

My theory is that all of them are duel class like Agatha, because it would be really weird to do that but only once

[mortal hazel]

They're doubling up on either Seeker or Mystic, depending on how you count. Gloria is in this, and the new and Lucius is a Seeker https://store.asmodee.com/cdn/shop/files/AHC83_MassMarket_back_2000x2000_6767f490-e46b-4aa8-9d9e-9a4779f8b6c7_2000x.jpg?v=1725656979

In the article, Agatha is explicitly called out as dual-class. This makes sense with specifically Agatha. Also note that her two investigator cards have different numbers.

Or, hmm

[formal depot]

Lucius as a Seeker/Rogue
Marion as a Guardian/Survivor

Gloria as Mystic/Survivor
And then a Guardian/Rogue focused on guns

Is my theory

[mortal hazel]

They don't usually double up on deckbuilding rules

And no the card numbers literally don't fit

Marion is card 1, her signatures are 2 and 3, Lucius is 4, presumably his signatures are 5 and 6, we know Agatha's two investigator cards are card #7 and 8

This theory unfortunately doesn't make any sense, neat as it is

Agatha being dual-class also kinda makes sense with her very specific kinda setup.

It's not impossible that they'll give Michael, George or Gloria a second class option, but we can rule out Marion and Lucius having a second class

[compact fern]

Guardian Gaming

Do y'all think I should go up to 67?

[exotic robin]

pog

[compact fern]

I will not be going up to 67

That would cost a bit much for me

[compact fern]

This is turn 2

Zoey is a fun Gun Guardian

[compact fern]

It is now several enemies later

[formal depot]

Sixth sense 4 is so fucking good yall
I have had clue compression on par with our seeker in multiple scenarios

[compact fern]

I love the BAR 😌

[compact fern]

Jesus Christ

Alaen just drew 2 autofails in a row

While we have 10 blesses in the bag

[dapper moon]

I'M TELLING YOU HE'S CURSED AS THEY COME

Like, took up breaking mirrors as a full-time job for at least 12 months level cursed

[compact fern]

Okay, to be fair, 10 blesses in the bag is an exaggeration

We only had 10 blesses on the first draw

[formal depot]

This is Mystic Moment

Extreme Couponing

[dapper moon]

jeebus

[proven acorn]

What Down the Rabbit Hole and Arcane Research will do to your XP total

Also we've been cleaning house in EotE, and it pays out quite well

[formal depot]

I’m also rich in game too
Because Diana can pull out surprising amounts of cash

I even have paranoia as my basic weakness and I’m like, fine

[compact fern]

I got to 50 ammo on my BAR last game

[compact fern]

55, I think

[formal depot]

Yeah

[proven acorn]

You got up to 69 in either Fatal Mirage or the one before IIRC

[compact fern]

I did, didn't I

[proven acorn]

we speedran the hell out of Depths of Yoth

made it out before the Harbinger could even show up

[formal depot]

Yall we thought of an insane combo

you can use Jaquelines weakness+Dark Prophecy to get EVEN MORE TOKENS inside your Voice of Ra

I probably spelled her name super wrong fuck

[tough owl]

and then you tapped paradoxical covenant, right?

also what campaign has two +1s?

[mortal hazel]

Forgotten Age, on Standard

[tough owl]

ah

the sneaky +1 on hard when I was using clairvoyance D:

[compact fern]

Scarlet Keys on Standard here

[compact fern]

Paradoxical Covenant? What's that? :P

(It was a Jacqueline pull)

We've got a Jacqueline doing Normal Mystic Shenanigans, a Darrel maxxing difficulty reductions, @formal depot's Paladin Tommy deck, and I'm running Fifty Shades of Blurse

[proven acorn]

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2024/10/23/questions-and-ultimatums/

https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/1c/0c/1c0cada9-eaf9-48e3-a360-f8fb70aecf51/ahc_faq_v23_october_2024.pdf

Chained:

• Underworld Market +2 experience
• Ravenous Myconid Sentient and Carnivorous Strain +1 experience

Mutated:

• Unscrupulous Loan, now Campaign Mode only
• Empirical Hypothesis, ability limited to twice per round

Also exiling or removing a card from the game can now never be ignored

[proven acorn]

the wretched homunculus

[compact fern]

I'd take this

[mortal hazel]

yeah the problem is that it's kinda almost always strictly correct to take, if you're good.

and Mystics, unlike Rogues, can easily be extremely resilient, if they build to be

(Rogues can also get pretty resilient, given a couple turns and such, but they've got a much tougher time just laughing off a critfail on a rotties or w/e turn one)

[proven acorn]

I'm mostly just
Did Mystics really need even more XP acceleration?

[mortal hazel]

yanno if all the other XP acceleration options didn't already exist, I do think this would be really cool

[proven acorn]

Like I'm not against weird Mystic version of Obol necessarily

[compact fern]

Shame they have like, multiple of the best in the game

[proven acorn]

But they already have so much

[mortal hazel]

less of an obvious patch on Mystic progression than Forbidden Knowledge, doesn't constrain Mystics to Spell Asset Spam™️, more interesting downside than Down the Rabbit Hole

[proven acorn]

Maybe let Guardian in on the XP juice at some point too

[mortal hazel]

And the downside is less devastating than Obol, so the card becomes less game-warping to play around, dying is bad but not restart-from-0-xp, potentially losing the rest of a party's campaign levels of disastrous

[proven acorn]

You do get one more chance at least, yeah

[exotic robin]

hey, so can Daisy!

[formal depot]

In the future if I play a rogue again I am taking Obol

I didn’t when I played Preston and I regretted it

Because I didn’t even take damage for most of that campaign let alone get defeated

[proven acorn]

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2024/10/30/aura-of-faith/
Parallel Mateo out now

new back finally has full Blessed access, but gives up the extra XP and higher level Mystic access
too bad there's no Blessed suite of spells yet

new front seems neat, definitely more active than the old one at least

[formal depot]

I just tanked a 4/4 damage/horror enemy without taking any damage through sheer soak

[dapper moon]

Hmm, I'm going to play a Wrangler into Hemlock Vale, but I don't know who yet...

Any recommendations?

Probably purple or blue, but I'd be ok with an attack green.

[proven acorn]

I played Mark in our HV playthrough

[dapper moon]

What kinds of bonking stick should I look for with Tommy Muldoon?

(weapons)

Actually, better question: is Runic Axe a usable option for Tommy?

[formal depot]

That is what Alaen used

[dapper moon]

I really like the look of it

[compact fern]

Runic Axe is I think just kind of generically good

[compact fern]

On Tommy?

[formal depot]

Oh I meant in our Hemlock Vale playthrough

[tough owl]

cannot believe you are forsaking Becky like this
also, he came in the expansion with The Hungering Blade: The Calamitous Blade of Celephais so that one's fun to use. (note: for a specific definition of fun) Definitely not suggesting this because it's a fun weapon to just type the full name of every time.
But I think Runic Axe is probably fine too, I guess

[dapper moon]

Ok, but Becky plays for a very different team than my "all attacks are to my benefit" version of Tommy.

So I ended up with a WILD tommy deck that's 25% "hey, all damage/horror consequences are actually dealt to me" 25% "I need to ramp a little econ" 10% "when all I see are nails, better make sure I got a hammer" and 40% "heh, you think that hit me? try again."

[dapper moon]

Asset (20)
Hand
2x  Machete
Hand x2
1x Becky 
2x  Runic Axe   
Body
2x  Hunter's Armor • •  
Ally
2x  Guard Dog
2x Sled Dog
Tarot
1x  Ace of Swords •
Other
2x  Pelt Shipment 
2x  Schoffner's Catalogue
2x  True Grit
2x  Wolf Mask 
Event (7)
2x  Dynamite Blast
2x Emergency Cache
2x  Motivational Speech 
1x Refine 
Skill (4)
2x  Long Shot 
2x  Vicious Blow
Treachery (2)
1x Random Basic Weakness  
1x Rookie Mistake

Ok, this is where I ended up. Pretty sure there's better options, but I like the general idea of this list

Willing to fiddle with it tho, to be clear

[proven acorn]

Not sure how much Schoffner's is helping you

Especially since Tommy has fairly little issues with money once you get going IME

Also which checks did you take on the Hunter's Armor?

[dapper moon]

Lightweight for the -1 cost

[dapper moon]

Ooo, that's true. I was originally running a lot more items, but I saw Runic Axe and that jostled my deck list. Is there a tutor or card-draw effect that might work?

[proven acorn]

You'll probably want some ways to tutor out the axe later

Tetsuo and/or Prepared for the Worst would probably be my rec there

Tetsuo is something I generally recommend too, he's just good

I'm a little unsure about the sled dogs too

[exotic robin]

I would not bring Sled Dogs, especially only two of them

they kinda only work as a full set, and realistically only make sense on Leo

[dapper moon]

Yeah, was actually just talking with some other people about using Vow in there instead of dogs

[proven acorn]

If you want sled dogs, you really should run four

[dapper moon]

(just the sleds, not the guards)

[proven acorn]

And you'll need an extra ally slot

[dapper moon]

They work as damage sponges for Tommy, but I understand why I wouldn't bring them in favor of better options

[proven acorn]

Also not relevant quite yet, bit in terms of upgrades the Composures are even more goated than usual on Tommy IME
So I heavily recommend grabbing two Combat Training 3 later

[dapper moon]

Wait, Tetsuo Mori is 0xp

I'm very silly

And is higher soak than his cost 👀

[proven acorn]

Tetsuo is great
Decent soak, can tank for other people, and grabs you or others Items

[dapper moon]

He's literal Tommy Fodder, holy heck

Do you think 2x Tetsuo Mori will be enough tutor for me to drop the Machetes?

[proven acorn]

Uhh, not quite sure

Oh and just remembered, Backpack is also an option

Has the extra benefit of being able to grab a Backpack off Tetsuo

[dapper moon]

Doesn't backpack take up your body slot?

[proven acorn]

oh yeah it does, so it would conflict slightly with the Hunter's Armor

unless you turn that into an arcane slot

[dapper moon]

True....

[dapper moon]

Deck
Asset (19)
Hand x2
1x Becky 
2x  Runic Axe   
Accessory
2x  Cherished Keepsake
Body
2x  Hunter's Armor • •  
Ally
2x  Guard Dog
2x  Tetsuo Mori 
Tarot
1x  Ace of Swords •
Other
3x  Solemn Vow
2x  True Grit
2x  Wolf Mask 
Permanent (1)
1x In the Thick of It
Event (8)
2x  Dynamite Blast
2x Emergency Cache
2x  Motivational Speech 
1x  On the Hunt
1x Refine 
Skill (4)
2x  Long Shot 
2x  Vicious Blow
Treachery (2)
1x Random Basic Weakness  
1x Rookie Mistake

Ok, here's where I'm at, I think

[formal depot]

John "The Hammer" Smith 

Willpower 1
Intellect 3
Fight 4
Agility 4

 After you succeed at a skill test by 2 or more while Fighting an enemy: Deal an additional damage to that enemy.

Neutral 0-5, Guardian 0-5

Ol Reliable(also a hammer)
Item, Weapon, Melee 
5 Cost
CC?
Action Fight. You get +2 Combat and +1 damage on this attack.
Action FightYou get +2 damage on this attack. 
2 Handed 

Marked Man
Enemy Weakness 
Humanoid, Criminal
Aloof, Elusive
Spawn- Location Farthest From You

If the scenario ends and the Marked Man is still in play, you suffer 1 Mental Trauma.
Fight 5, Evade 5
Damage: 1

Behold! Bad Arkham Horror Homebrew

This started as a joke that Rex as a Guardian would be just as busted

[proven acorn]

new card that was spoiled today