need help with something, Carcosa second scenario spoilers
||So the Resolution says to record each Possessed enemy in the victory display, but none of the transformed bystanders seem to actually have that tag? Are we missing something here or is this some trick?||
#Arkham Horror: The Card Game
proven acorn
wispy phoenix
need help with something, Carcosa second scenario spoilers
||So the Resolution s...
Do they ||have lunatic instead?||
||If that's the case, the mod is using the updated campaign guide but not the updated cards. Assume Lunatic = Possessed for that purpose||
proven acorn
ah okay
exotic robin
and today's investigator preview is...
proven acorn
about what I expected as her deckbuilding options
exotic robin
it's a bit more generous than I expected, I thought it'd be like, 0-3
but I guess it's not gonna be that many cards, even with Hemlock
proven acorn
yeah Parley is still mostly niche enough that I kinda expected her to just get all of them
mortal hazel
proven acorn
damn, more Lupara enablers
wispy phoenix
I'll take 6 in Rita
proven acorn
definitely pretty slick on most Rogues I think
mortal hazel
I think it's weird and it looks a lot like an amazing card, but the ecosystem is such that it's actually not?
Like, there are cards that look very similar to this and they're amazingly powerful
But actually the investigators and cardpool is such that probably only Rita and maybe Winifred want it?
proven acorn
hmmm
I guess it does need a fairly specific circumstance
you need to want to play a weapon, and have an enemy nearby
mortal hazel
You have to be able to make amazing agility checks in an emergency
mortal hazel
But you're also planning on using a weapon that uses Combat
Or you're not, in which case, things get weirder
proven acorn
wait
does this mean you don't actually benefit from combat bonuses from the weapon for that check?
mortal hazel
Yup
wispy phoenix
As worded yeah
mortal hazel
Unless you combine it with sharpshooter and a gun
wispy phoenix
Which makes it significantly worse
proven acorn
that does make it weirder yeah
mortal hazel
Yeah
proven acorn
seems decent I guess, though not sure anyone other than Alessandra would really want this
Parley still seems kinda niche as a tag, but maybe that'll change in Hemlock
are there any standout Parleys that would be worth recurring with this?
mortal hazel
Lots, potentially
I can see potential for this in Patrice, especially
Though she doesn't have a lot of the truly amazing parleys
Can also be used to immediately reuse String of Curses
proven acorn
hmm, that is pretty good actually
high kindle
thats good tech
indigo cedar
@queen rune
indigo cedar
Np
queen rune
so yeah, trying to play but also no physical space to easily play physically (i COULD go to FLGS but that requires going out), tried to go to TTS for it but seems like english language mod support isn't robust, gonna assume FFG is not too happy with TTS's role in the hobby
unless i just managed to miss the mod ppl are using
indigo cedar
Alt is the one who normally tells me things but I think she’s in transit rn
queen rune
also, if i do end up playing AH more, i might just sell what little of marvel champions i have
not in any hurry to know so that's fine
indigo cedar
I’m pretty sure there is a tts module though
queen rune
it'd make sense to have one seeing how popular the game is
wispy phoenix
so yeah, trying to play but also no physical space to easily play physically (i ...
ill dm ya with some forbidden knowledge, sec
queen rune
appreciated
indigo cedar
See, ask in the right place and the people are helpful
wispy phoenix
forbidden knowledge shared
high kindle
@queen rune FFG do come down relatively hard
the mod is no longer in the steam workshop
however forbidden knowledge can be found by those that seek it
mortal hazel
indigo cedar
weren't there a bunch of new cards like last month
exotic robin
yeah
and there's gonna be more getting show off until the release
it's the spoiler season
exotic robin
Olive has now officially tried everything
I think that's a pretty good upgrade for 2XP
an extra token kinda feels like a lot?
astral flower
33% more tokens revealed!
exotic robin
it's Wilson!
wispy phoenix
Tool boy tool boy
mortal hazel
Yeah, really kinda odd, gonna have to see more of the cardpool to really evaluate him
Not sure what his, like, niche actually is
proven acorn
Presumably we'll get some more Tools in Hemlock
Ad Hoc can at least do funny things with Sledgehammer
proven acorn
The +1 with Tools also makes him fairly flexible, as long as you have the right tool at hand
indigo cedar
Tool boy tool boy
my favourite chainsaw man character
exotic robin
Not sure what his, like, niche actually is
I think flex, basically?
tools let you do a lot of things and there's a fair amount of 1H ones
that he has an effective 4 
and 4 
when using
and given the discard thing and lack of Scavenging access, I'm wondering if Guardian is going to get some like, very specific recursion tech
for Weapons and Tools
exotic robin
he does already get Pushed to the Limit from Improvised, so could also be a new Improvised series for Survivor
honestly, I think with this deckbuilding, he's already pretty solid and can do some cool stuff? I think the big issue is having to rely fully on assets to investigate but like
there's a fair amount of investigate tools
wispy phoenix
he does already get Pushed to the Limit from Improvised, so could also be a new ...
Oh, that is really good actually
That mean you can do double Extremely Funny Sledgehammer crimes
Could Wilson theoretically break the upper limit for most damage done in a turn??
pale jacinth
I think the most you can do is 18 (discard sledge (4) to ad hoc action, have one already in discard, play 2 Pushed to the Limit, hit all of them) plus whatever one action weapon and skills you can combine with Ad Hoc. However, I don't have the card pool knowledge to know if I'm missing a way to gain more actions, redraw sledgehammers, and ready Ad Hoc (being able to gain an action and ready Ad Hoc gives you an extra 6 + weapon potential damage)
So if you have an actionless way to give Duke your weapon and get it back somehow I guess (or put some doom on it and have likewise have someone with Sin Eater???)
Ad Hoc doesn't count as a Guardian asset even though it's a unique card of a guardian, right?
So galvanise only adds a bit extra damage through being able to reuse your weapon and not more sledgehammery goodness
mortal hazel
Ad Hoc doesn't count as a Guardian asset even though it's a unique card of a gua...
It's also an event
But yeah
Most signatures are not class cards
Nathaniel, Stella, Winifred, Harvey, and Jacqueline are unique in this regard
astral flower
Ad Hoc can at least do funny things with Sledgehammer
Does it work with sledgehammer's double action ability?
It says "resolve an action ability"
I'm not sure if double action abilities count
proven acorn
it has to be an ability you spend actions on, so it can't be a reaction or fast action
but the number of actions you spend is part of the cost
astral flower
ah, okay!
proven acorn
so you should be able to use it to do the two (three) action ability on Sledgehammer AIUI
wispy phoenix
Yeah that's 100% my read
mortal hazel
Yeah
And also use the exile ability on Fire Extinguisher, Gravekeeper's Shovel, and Lantern without actually exiling them
wispy phoenix
I don't think he'd get the exile dodge on Fire Extinguisher 3 since it's not an additional cost, right?
mortal hazel
Nah, it's ignoring all costs
Though, hmm
One sec
Damn
You're right
Knowledge is Power ruling etc.
wispy phoenix
Yeah, which is sad (but fair)
mortal hazel
Very fair, but definitely sad
charred maple
Man it shows me not paying attention to this server
I didn't see this is a thing now. Which speaking of. I now need to get Circle Undone, Edge of Earth and TSK for the new release stuff
astral flower
I guess my worry was like
If I trigger "Spend 4 secrets: deal 4 damage", I still have to spend the secrets
So I didn't know if "-> ->: Fight, Deal +2 damage and get +2 fist" required me to spend the extra ->
or if it was even eligible as a target for a line of text that said you can trigger -> actions
low osprey
If I trigger "Spend 4 secrets: deal 4 damage", I still have to spend the secrets
You don't, actually. The ruling is you ignore the costs before the ":" so in that example, you spend 0 secrets to deal 4 damage
So Sledgehammer's mulitple action cost works for this, since you ignore the costs before the ":" which is the actions it costs
low osprey
The trick they prevent is with stuff like uh... research notes
Which has you spend in the ability itself and isn't ignored
astral flower
hmm
nodnods
I guess that makes sense, "before the colon = cost" is intuitively how it should work
mortal hazel
It is probably necessary for Ad Hoc to have the "ignoring all costs" part, thinking about it, for it to work as intended. Otherwise you'd be unable to use e.g. lockpicks and similar things with it, since they exhaust as part of the cost, and a card that's not in play can not, AFAIK, exhaust
pale jacinth
Any suggestions for an investigator who's not too complex to grok and good at getting clues? I'm about to teach a new player the game via the gathering, they're playing a Guardian (either Zoey or Roland) with one of the starter decks linked here, and I want to branch out from Daisy a bit for my part of things
exotic robin
maybe Ursula?
she's pretty solid, her gimmick is I think pretty simple and it's fun to zip around the map once you're set up, and for better or worse, she doesn't have that many off-class cards to worry about
charred maple
Any suggestions for an investigator who's not too complex to grok and good at ge...
I mean if you want one of the best clue getters can't go wrong with my boy Rex
I'm currently going through Carcosa with my brother. Made him a Roland deck cause he likes to fight monsters while I made a very supportive Mihn deck
pale jacinth
is there a newer arkham mod than the version on the workshop - the version I have doesn't have scarlet keys cards or a working token bag display?
exotic robin
yes, but it was taken down so it's distributed by a google drive folder
uh @glad bolt what's the server policy for sharing stuff like the Arkham mod?
glad bolt
Oh, hmm. Good question
Let's stick to the mythos busters standard
Just pm her with it
exotic robin
okay
pale jacinth
how does Down the Rabbit Hole interact with having XP at deck creation (from In The Thick of It or being an investigator who starts with experience?)
proven acorn
Doesn't apply yet
So ItTOI is a good way to pick up some XP cards without the extra cost
pale jacinth
cool ty!
astral flower
DTRH + ITTOI is a classic combination
tough owl
then you can add Arcane Research to take even more trauma!
astral flower
I wouldn't recommend going ITTOI and Arcane Research
that puts a lot of pressure on you
It's usually one or the other
tough owl
oh yeah, I meant that more as a joke suggestion, probably should have clarified.
Though I think one of Althaea's decks did this, and I'm pretty sure that one worked out...
exotic robin
I think she only had Arcane Research, and only wanted ITTOI on top of that
but me and grandar made frowny faces at her
tough owl
lol, if you're bringing up Grandar that means it was another campaign where she did that :P (Or I could just be misremembering)
mortal hazel
oh no it's just the sort of deck concept where I put it in front of Till to taunt him and/or for a sanity check
tough owl
also a reasonable reason
astral flower
Cutting arcane research does give you more sanity
proven acorn
then you can add Arcane Research to take even more trauma!
I briefly considered taking all three on my Diana deck for Innsmouth 😛
ended up settling for "just" DttRH and Arcane Research
3 XP discount on your first spell upgrade each scenario is funny as hell though
pale jacinth
Are there any campaigns people wouldn't recommend/would advise against for first-time players? Looking at doing a campaign with a friend after going through Night of the Zealot with them last week. (I have a little bit of experience BC I'm currently most of the way through Carcosa w Alaen)
wispy phoenix
Forgotten Age for sure
proven acorn
Forgotten Age I generally hear is on the harder side, so probably not that one
proven acorn
Edge of the Earth and Dream Eaters are ones I've seen mentioned as a little easier
wispy phoenix
Forgotten Age, more than any other campaign, demands you bring tech for it
high kindle
hmmm I think on hard definitely
wispy phoenix
even on Standard Till
The trend I've seen is folks walking in blind and going "oh god we are fucked" by the end of scenario 2
And then restarting
high kindle
||I have seen that a bit but I have also walked in with unprepared groups and done okay||
||I think the campaign was designed really with the intent that players would not always succeed and could get through with some really botched missions||
hmm
gonna spoiler up
||its very xp generous which helps, I think its more punishing and feelsbad than actually difficult exactly||
wispy phoenix
||That's possible, though I don't think the later missions get any easier - in particular, if you blow the temple you are turbo screwed on Scenario 7||
high kindle
||I have done scenario 7 after blowing the temple with a mostly blind team, it was tough but we got through||
||the one bit of really punishing part of it I think is that you need a reliable evader||
||I feel like most groups value and bring one esp new groups these days so I have not seen that be an issue, but for a long time there was a like "we don't need evaders just shoot em" attitude and it really punishes that||
||I think the middle missions are on the easier end except the one with the flipping locations and time stuff||
tough owl
||looking like Scarlet Keys in here||
wispy phoenix
||Yeah, fair - I will say your group is pretty bloody good at cards iirc, the groups I've seen having to hard restart are usually more novice||
high kindle
||yeah I guess what I'm saying is that I think people hard reset when its very salvagable because it feels like it is not||
||and I don't think like, thats peoples fault, you can't really know||
||but I think thats why they abandoned that kinda design and tried to broadly make most campaigns have most scenarios assuming players will succeed||
wispy phoenix
||That makes sense, I do prefer the new design lol||
astral flower
I think TFA is fine for newbies if you give them two spoilers
- ||You can't just kill all monsters blindly, you need to evade them sometimes|| and 2) ||Take the blankets to avoid trauma||
That should mitigate a lot of the NPE stuff and make the campaign a bit more difficult than usual but definitely not... unbearable, if that makes sense
Or you could like, just take ||Kymani|| into it, and it will be fine even if the newbs play unprepared
high kindle
||like I'm very sure that the train in dunwich is supposed to be failed||
astral flower
Really? Didn't I breeze through that scenario as a first time player?
eh, well, we had Gloria
high kindle
||and I think in tfa they wanted people to have a rough start then like claw it back and stuff||
astral flower
Gloria makes every scenario easy
high kindle
yeah
astral flower
I suspect like
high kindle
but like ||you only need one real bad mythos phase over the whole game and its hard to have infrastructure to really protect against that||
astral flower
the ||first temple mission|| in TFA was designed to be failed
that is a very brutal scenario
high kindle
yes agree
astral flower
But that's fine
mortal hazel
It is extremely hard on Hard difficulty in particular
high kindle
||I consider reaching the second act in scenario 1 and ideally getting the dialogue to be the scenario won||
astral flower
We just did pretty badly for the Carcosa ||mission 2 with the interviewing VIPs, we only managed to interview two of them and slay another two, and we got out with 7 XP total split amongst all investigators||
mortal hazel
But can still be very rough with a small cardpool and one or two inexperienced players on Standard
astral flower
And it like, sucked?
But I'm glad it happened
it means the newbie we're bringing along can learn what arkham is like when you fall behind and how to catch up and stuff
mortal hazel
We just did pretty badly for the Carcosa ||mission 2 with the interviewing VIPs,...
That's pretty normal yeah, it's honestly a lot like the ||train|| scenario that way
One or two stray mythos phases and things spiral really fast
astral flower
That scenario is hmm. I think the difficulty of the scenario is impacted wildly by the order in which the ||VIPs transform||
We had two instances where a ||VIP we were one turn off interviewing transformed|| and that was kinda frustrating
mortal hazel
I definitely feel like up to TFA there was always at least one scenario per campaign that didn't feel balanced for 3-4 investigators
mortal hazel
That scenario is hmm. I think the difficulty of the scenario is impacted wildly ...
yeah, there's that too
high kindle
||I feel like I have never had good transforming luck in carcosa 2||
mortal hazel
(like, I find ||TFA 1|| is much easier with a single, well-built flex investigator than a full, otherwise well-rounded group, I've fully cleared it a couple times testing out Winifred decks. It could occasionally be rough but felt much more doable.)
wispy phoenix
(like, I find ||TFA 1|| is *much* easier with a single, well-built flex investig...
It's the ||thin deck + ancient evils that really punishes the hell out of big groups. I've close to full cleared it in 2p but in 4p your clock is way fucking smaller than it looks||
astral flower
||I feel like I have never had good transforming luck in carcosa 2||
Our Carcosa 2 run went pretty okay
exotic robin
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/426803894740451330/1177704997018931231/Tinker_EN.png?ex=65737a3f&is=6561053f&hm=f91e4ec899d85d36467d520006815a1cfcd56a7b958fe801f816cfcd44b5e6cb&
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more card previews!
proven acorn
those both seem pretty good
mortal hazel
Unfortunately I already talked enough about these elsewhere that my spoons for them were kinda drained, uhh
Big summary, HEC is kinda like a cheaper, more flexible Galvanize for most intents and purposes
Different traits means it stacks poorly with Boxing Glove decks and such, and it can't be used with fight events - also, theoretically Guardians can get extra resources for Spirit events (Prophetic), but they have nothing for Insight events (Crafty)
Joe might really like HEC
It also is an interesting way of leaning flex-ish for Guardians
Obviously these are Wilson cards and a lot of other Guardians don't have access to a tonne of interesting tools
Tinker's definitely best if your weapons are also tools (Sledgehammer, Pitchfork, Chainsaw, Fire Extinguisher) or if your weapons are one-handed and you want at least three assets
Me and Aneta have speculated that Kate might have Insight access, in which case these are obviously very good cards for her
Chainsaw Yorick really likes Tinker because it means he can also have a sidearm when the table isn't otherwise perfectly set up for him (or an investigation tool, if he wants to flex a bit)
HEC is also good for tool-investigating investigators who might bring Alice Luxley (Carolyn, Parallel Roland, Joe?)
I guess Tinker also, hmm, it might give more space for Geared Up investigators to breathe, because they can much more easily cram their deck absolutely full of hand assets and expect to be able to make use of them.
(Tinker also notably lets Ashcan Pete keep Pocket Multi Tool + a weapon + another investigation asset in his hands without having to sacrifice Leather Coat for Bandolier, which may in some cases be handy, though I've soured a lot on Fire Axe builds in general and I think the real Pete combat meta is simply ice picks + Duke)
pale jacinth
Slightly weird Q but if you have an investigate or other tool that would normally provoke an attack of opportunity would using it with HEC still provoke an attack of opportunity
astral flower
nope
AOOs only trigger if you spend an action to do it
If you don't spend an action, AOO doesn't trigger
pale jacinth
Cool, that makes sense!
pale jacinth
holy shit that was close
just did the first scenario of Innsmouth - me as Sister Mary and a friend as Akachi - and we got out with one doom left on the last agenda
we realised about halfway through that we probably need a bit more investigative/clue-ing power bc most of it was her digging for any of her investigate-y spells, so we didn't have time to sort really any victory or anything other than the bare minimum and just barely threading the needle
so this might be quite a spooky next few scenarios
mortal hazel
yeah, I was wondering when I saw that pair which of you was the cluever
Mystics are many things, but their consistency tends to be a bit low
pale jacinth
I defintely last night had a thought of "oh I should add in some evidence" and just forgot to actually act on that
spice hare
I'd be willing to give it a shot, did like the original RPG in a box, as well as Elder Sign
proven acorn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/426803894740451330/1177704997018931231/Ti...
Can Tinker make a one-handed Tool slotless?
exotic robin
don't see why it couldn't
proven acorn
I wasn't quite sure
But I assumed yeah
proven acorn
Coming up on the finale in our Carcosa campaign now
queen rune
meanwhile: my revised core box and dunwitch has arrived
tough owl
it begins...
I suggest getting friends and family into it so you can get yourself them expansion boxes as presents to continue the collection
this has been an effective strategy for me
pale jacinth
Coming up on the finale in our Carcosa campaign now
highlights so far include (spoilers for certain bits across all of carcosa up to the final scenario)
||Daisy getting around a straitjacket via just carrying her books in her tote bag||
||Stubborn detective, a man so committed to his work in rooting out corruption on the force that he has followed Tommy Muldoon for several months, across the Atlantic, deep into the catacombs of paris during what was Definitely A Perfectly Reputable Archeology Expedition, and even into a chapel as the sky and sea both tore themselves open.||
||Getting sworn at during setup after I noticed our first and so far only violation of a certain rule||
||In these last two sessions, hunter enemies consistently spawning/being spawned at the start location and not getting to us before the end of the scenario||
||Alaen walking into one of the two "if the respective agenda gets doom on it you get hit" locations in dark stars rise, immediately calling what the other one would do, and walking into it anyway||
high kindle
highlights so far include (spoilers for certain bits across all of carcosa up to...
||the detective is always absolute comedy for that reason imo||
||and I love that certain rule||
mortal hazel
||the rule rocks, especially if someone's playing Agnes. But also because it leads to funny workarounds for the banana man.||
queen rune
aw man i need to proxy
mortal hazel
at least you have 10 knives to do it with
queen rune
amusingly i've been doing it with emergency caches which i legit have x8 overflow of
x6 of knives and flashlights is also funny tbf
mortal hazel
yeah, though at least emergency caches and flashlights have good, genuine uses
astral flower
||the rule rocks, especially if someone's playing Agnes. But also because it lea...
Agnes and (Carolyn with a Pete in play) are the two most fun ways to play with that, but anyone with an Initiate, Renfield etc. can join in the fun
queen rune
hey rules reference says if an enemy with spawn instruction has no legal location to spawn in, discard it. does it mean discard and draw next or discard and move on?
wispy phoenix
discard period
mortal hazel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/426803894740451330/1179695359384096828/FB_IMG_1701331615692.jpg?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/426803894740451330/1179695359623180288/FB_IMG_1701331617805.jpg? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/426803894740451330/1179695359874842716/FB_IMG_1701331621434.jpg? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/426803894740451330/1179695360122294292/FB_IMG_1701331619488.jpg?
pale jacinth
I was literally yesterday just thinking "it'd be cool if there was a curse-y mystic gator to more easily enable those spells"
mortal hazel
yeah, haha
There's two who are kinda good at it now, counting parallel Jim (though I don't know off-hand if he's on ArkhamDB yet)
queen rune
ok
1st scenario done finally (The Gathering, of course)
Roland Horror'ed out trying to let the (guardian) dogs out and got attacked of opportunitied by boss
Daisy almost died but i read fast event rules and realized they don't take action to play, score
Jenny last hit
accidentally misread obscuring fog's text and let it linger longer than needed, wasted quite a few actions
also roland dying with a clue not turned in cost me 1 xp. feds, amirite
tho roland dying did also enable me to go "hey ghoul priest, catch" and huck a dynamite w/ no worry of friendly fire, since the only friendly there is already lying on the ground lmao
(shout outs to Uncle George the Farmer on arkham DB for providing Structure Deck Series deck list)
also might have misjudged a few skill checks with difficulty of 0 but also adjusted skill of negative number (which evidently bottoms out at 0)
exotic robin
you only fail on autofails on diff 0 yeah
queen rune
oh also i got two autofails back to back at one point, talking about luck (normal difficulty setup)
proven acorn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/426803894740451330/1179695359384096828/FB...
Funky combination of keywords on there
I thought at first this would be pretty mild, but I guess the text means you often get slapped before you can kill it if there's blurse tokens in the bag
Oh wait, would the elusive also make it run away if the text makes it attack while you attack it?
exotic robin
Oh wait, would the elusive also make it run away if the text makes it attack whi...
afaik, the attack still resolves even if it moves away
it was already initiated while the enemy was at your location, and enemy movement doesn't interrupt
tough owl
silly exercise prompted by my friend about how Tommy Muldoon can go infinite (if given ridiculous amounts of setup):
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CCvB4hUfReeopbNoVbfG0GUWTc_5nizbiQU3iAXufHc/edit
wispy phoenix
@tough owl "I'll take that" is the wrong card, you're looking for "You owe me one"
tough owl
fuck
curse these rogue cards and their "my card name is in quotes with an exclamation point!"
proven acorn
there's a few Guardian ones for that too admittedly 😛
tough owl
yeah
i looked at "You hande this!" as another way for Wendy to pawn off her weakness to us
and I played a deck recently that used "I'll take that!" to get illicit items into Hidden Pockets, so its on my mind.
proven acorn
it's a good use for it
wispy phoenix
It's a very good card
proven acorn
Carcosa spoilers
||intentionally saying the name 3 times, to kill off my Tetsuo for the resources and tutor||
#JustTommyThings
tough owl
can't read my own spoilers D:
proven acorn
used a campaign mechanic to intentionally kill my own Tetsuo
tough owl
ah
hey you didn't kill him, you defeated him
he can come back! that means he's not dead
and that means you're not a murderer
proven acorn
Carcosa finale finished
made it through pretty well thanks to my stupid amounts of soak via Star+Tetsuo
I think I drew a Tetsuo like six times this scenario
proven acorn
also managed to assemble my Becky setup very early, so I was having an easy time dealing with the enemies
tough owl
he did escape the fate of being used in Tommy's infinite
proven acorn
Becky had:
- Custom Mods (Notched Sight, Extended Stock, Counterbalance, Quicksilver Bullets)
- Enchant Weapon
- Telescopic Sight
- Custom Ammo
I just realized I didn't draw my Stubborn Detective this time
for the comedy value of showing up in the goddamn finale
pale jacinth
Oh that would've been hilarious
tough owl
ah, I'm also playing a "Tommy Muldoon fully kits out Becky in the Carcosa campaign" deck
pale jacinth
At that point you would've had the full police force assembled
Between Tetsuo, Beat Cop, being Tommy, and the Detective
wispy phoenix
Need an Agency Backup in there too
proven acorn
only way it could have been more is if I had gotten that Agency Backup 😛
tough owl
some day, I will play someone who has two Star XVII and two Agency Backup
proven acorn
Star was definitely huge for me this campaign
shoutouts to Guard Dog 2 becoming a 5/3 soak with Star
tough owl
Guard Dog 2 is amazing, Guard Dog 2 with Star is practically its own investigator's worth of tank and damage
proven acorn
I also only today noticed that Guard Dog 2 also retaliates on Horror now
tough owl
I had this pointed out recently because I didn't realize Guard Dog 0 didn't retaliate on horror until it was quite relevant
astral flower
Carcosa spoilers
||intentionally saying the name 3 times, to kill off my Tetsuo ...
I played Agnes in Carcosa. It was fun.
mortal hazel
pale jacinth
that's pretty solid bless gen if you can afford it, right?
mortal hazel
yeah
exotic robin
solid bless generator
proven acorn
It seems decent, though probably still mostly if you need the blesses for synergy
exotic robin
also first good bless gen in Guardian
pale jacinth
wow after looking it really is - being Mary in a 2p game with 4 copies of Tempt Fate between us has really skewed my notion of what bless generation looks like
everything else is either action hungry and wants you to want to have the side thing, one-shot, or is holy rosary (2) which this just seems far better than unless you really need that willpower
actually just looking is this full stop the best repeatable bless generator at the minute, or am I missing something?
proven acorn
I don't think so?
queen rune
wait does it even globetrot at all?
proven acorn
oh wait Scarlet Keys might have some scenarios there
queen rune
is that the one that keeps changing? or was it dreameaters?
(vaguely remember one campaign that is said to be everchanging)
proven acorn
Scarlet Keys is non linear in scenario order, if that's what you are thinking of
queen rune
i'll have to dig into my browser history to find that one buyer's guide i was reading, sec
ok yeah i think that's what i was thinking. thx
exotic robin
proven acorn
hmm, that seems pretty decent I feel
though 2 resources is pricey
being a Parley feels a little tacked on, but nice bonus I guess
pale jacinth
It is shorter than saying no attack of opportunity
proven acorn
true
queen rune
lmao
tough owl
thank you izen
queen rune
i only remember it being the icon for ability of same name in war3, dreadlord?
tough owl
life drain, I think Dark Ranger
it's the green version of mana drain, from the blood mage
high kindle
loool
queen rune
err
if an asset's reaction defeated an enemy
does it count towards the owner defeating the enemy or the asset?
context: roland triggered attack of opportunity to assign damage to his guard dog to use guard dog's reaction to last hit an enemy
queen rune
ok so roland's ability does trigger and collect a clue
mortal hazel
Yep
queen rune
sweet
wispy phoenix
got R2 on scenario 2
what campaign?
queen rune
4/6
3 investigators
this time, nobody trauma'ed out, which is improvement over last scenario (poor roland, seen too many shit)
wispy phoenix
4/6 is good for a first runthrough
You're not expected to get all the cultists every time
queen rune
kept failing door locks was the biggest roadblock, amusingly
big enemies i was surprisingly pretty capable of dealing with
wispy phoenix
Yeah you need good commits for stuff like Locked Door
queen rune
my jenny almost died but a SUPER timely elder sign overkilled her enemy's difficulty so hard it's super funny
(she had 6 resources lol)
proven acorn
queen rune
wait i just realized...
i never consider this but i assume no deckbuilding rule says core box characters' decks can't contain other cycle's cards even if they're running night of the zealot?
wispy phoenix
That's right, you can bring any card in you like that's part of a standard cycle
queen rune
gotcha
pale jacinth
Just finished Innsmouth yesterday with a friend, and aside from ||the finale|| , which was ||a little underwhelming and feels like it might want to be either a fair bit harder or to not lock what sounds like a cool idea behind a flashback,|| the rest of it was absolutely stellar! As two new players with definitely less clue power than ideal, the difficulty felt tense but never overtuned, and a lot of the scenarios have design that really nails the vibe they're trying to capture.
(Also to be fair to ||the finale||, we did misinterpret a certain treachery which would have been a bit worse and also both got really good draws, but it was still ||a bit of a let down in terms of difficulty - certainly I never felt super at risk or as scared of Dagon compared to e.g. Carcosa.||
Very cool campaign, absolutely would recommend
exotic robin
Innsmouth miiiight just be my favorite campaign, yeah
proven acorn
Key seems pretty good, but for 4 XP I guess it better be
exotic robin
def feels like the power level you want out of a 4XP card
proven acorn
Purified also seems decent
overkill an attack and put a bunch of bless into the bag
astral flower
both strong
someone on another server mentioned silas with purified and that seems strong
If he has good skill checks he can keep getting purified back and repeatedly fill the bag with bless so everyone's checks are effectively +2
or just, you know, do good things with bless payoff investigators
pale jacinth
Wait does the "if successful" effect still happen if Silas picks this up? Or is this just that he's likely to have a bunch of skill recursion
astral flower
I thought it did but now I'm not actually sure
wispy phoenix
I thought it did but now I'm not actually sure
Nope, Silas pulls a skill back on token reveal
For a skill to be really dumb on Silas it needs to take effect on commit
Eg. Unrelenting, Signum Crucis
Anything that happens on skill test resolution can't be abused by him
What Silas can do with Purified is guarantee it gets a good proc
Since he can look at the test results and decide "nah, not good enough" then take it back
exotic robin
more new cards!
article with Kate's card front and sigs for reference: https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2023/8/4/a-feast-of-hemlock/
mortal hazel
Combines well with stuff like Guard Dog, Beat Cop, Agnes's ability
Random damage pings
Either your own or someone else's
Which works well with what Wilson is doing, actually
proven acorn
oh Hatchet is ranged, I only just now noticed that
proven acorn
letting other people pick up the Hatchet is also pretty funny
pale jacinth
Wishing I could play hatchet in the Rita deck I'm currently using
mortal hazel
yeah, funny thing about hatchet is that it seems worst/most inconvenient by far against exactly 2-hp enemies
Otherwise, it works great with anyone who can otherwise do 1-damage pings
(4-hp enemies are also potentially awkward, but it depends a bit on build)
exotic robin
it seems kinda alright for Rita
though with Long Shot, I'm more of a Enchanted Bow believer tbh
in general, I'm like, not super sold on Hatchet, it just seems very awkward
it would be very funny if there was a 3XP upgrade with an extra action " 
: Yoink the Hatchet out of the enemy. Deal 1 damage to the enemy Hatchet is attached to and take control of Hatchet."
mortal hazel
yeah
I think the best fit for it might actually be in Wilson, because Tommy and Yorick definitely don't care and have other things they want to be doing, but Wilson does have access to a lot of situational little boosts for this
But even then I suspect you'd probably be better off just grabbing a fire extinguisher, most of the time
pale jacinth
I think my want for it in Rita is BC I am very much not the primary fighter in this campaign, so it's a 1h weapon testing at 8 for things that need killing or if we end up with a lot of enemies
Also means I don't feel that bad if I end up needing to discard it
The pain point there I guess is if it's worth 1xp per vs the derringers I currently have
I say as though my current planned upgrades haven't ended up being exclusively cards that cost 3xp
Token of Faith seems really good, though
exotic robin
some more new cards
one fairly okay, but maybe a bit overloaded card and uh
and one which exists I guess
proven acorn
hmmm
Providential has decent symbols at least I guess?
still not sure if I'd pay 2 XP for that
exotic robin
yyyeah
there's really no reason to
you get Keep Faith and Signum Crucis for no XP, and Spirit of Humanity at 2XP
Purified being in the same pack is just cursed
exotic robin
I think it's alright, but really wants you to run the Parley support to be able to access most of the effects
which I think kinda locks it to Alessandra
those are not big effects on their own (well, except the doom removal, that's solid) so you kinda want it for the versatility
astral flower
Maybe a Preston or Winifred or Jenny that can get high stat values in anything on demand
exotic robin
yeah, I think this is alright for anyone who likes Well Connected
proven acorn
Guided by Faith seems decent, if somewhat expensive
astral flower
Guided by Faith seems pretty bad
wispy phoenix
Guided by Faith is a Mary card and that's about it
mortal hazel
I was feeling pretty interested in janky uses of Persistence until I noticed the XP cost
high kindle
its not like survivor struggles for it
I can maybe see minh playing one
but her deck does already have super powerful options
mortal hazel
I guess my thought is more, if I'm designing a deck that revolves around this sort of thing, it'd be nice to have it from the start
Though I guess if you really wanted to play around with this stuff, Yaotl + 2 copies of persistence does fit the ItToI budget
Hmm
If Hank isn't the Survivor equivalent of Tony/Mandy/Carson/Gloria style deckbuilding, maybe he'll be the Survivor who has terrible deckbuilding but starts with 5xp
(Though I'm reasonably convinced he'll be Survivor 0-5, non-assets 0-1 from one of Guardian, Seeker or Mystic)
astral flower
Hes survivor 0-5, innate or spirit cards 0-2
No extra XP, sadly
I wish he did because he's sweet
mortal hazel
innate innit
with a deck size of 35, it does feel like they really want him to do stuff like run Yaotl just to thin his deck
(first possible main fighter who can really run Wards of Protection (2))
(no, mystics and sister mary don't count, get back to me when you can fight rats without needing an expensive gun or big combo in play)
astral flower
noo sister mary can commit tti noooo
proven acorn
Parallel Monty is not one I expected
proven acorn
exotic robin
judging by the end of the article, they'll probably get back to Dunwich? It would be real weird to just completely skip Jenny
Parallel Monty seems really interesting
kinda a proper Relic investigator?
ability's neat, though, hm... I think in practice, regular front, parallel back might be more interesting - you're getting a search 4 at most, and probably not every turn
tough owl
okay, for him to get the runic axe, he'd have to grab versatile right?
so that he can have the initial card that he can then get the relic upgrade for?
exotic robin
yeah
mortal hazel
I don't think you'd want to, but you could!
exotic robin
well, people do swear by Runic Axe Carson...
mortal hazel
(Though you do have Eldritch Sophist access...)
tough owl
can't believe the 2 fight rogue might not want the axe
oh right, charge replenishment shenanigans
exotic robin
classic combo
mortal hazel
That'd be the obvious way to break it
(Though Ursula and Trish also have access to the Red Clock)
exotic robin
Red Clock used to be the battery
well, probably still is - spending both hand slots for this feels iffy
tho, it is cheaper in terms of XP
tough owl
how classic can it be scarlet keys is like a year old D:
exotic robin
i mean more, Pendant + Sophist + Charge Battery
the classic busted Ursula combo
(and by classic i mean since dream eaters)
mortal hazel
a lot of busted things in dream eaters
pale jacinth
oh wow that's a big jump for vamp
bc with fine clothes all of those tests are difficulty zero
(also just getting all of them is definitely a big buff too)
exotic robin
both look kinda mid tbh
like, Absolution might've been okay, but we're also getting Purified and Ancestral Token in the same set, and the same class
might be alright as healing for Bless Carolyn before she gets Key of Solomon
wispy phoenix
Scrimshaw being an accessory kinda just means its DoA, in my opinion
Being in the same faction as Lucky Cigarette Case and all
tough owl
well, there was the one permanent that held an extra cursed item, right? I think it was cheaper than Relic Hunter
proven acorn
it's one of the other new cards, yeah
proven acorn
took me a while to find it again
but either way, I feel like there's much better stuff to use those slots for than Scrimshaw
and Rogues especially have a lot of other economy options
pale jacinth
I'm kind of interested in the idea of Scrimshaw as repeatable big money for a low xp cost if you/the table can get those curses out and/or benefit from them - obviously it's a contested slot but I can envision a deck/group where I'd want it
exotic robin
I really like these
Strong-Armed not giving bonus damage for Firearms sucks but damn
and hey, Survival Technique gives Kate a second off-class card!
pale jacinth
Strong-armed works with grenades! bonus impact damage!
is investigating a skill test on a location?
Looks like it is, because you can use grizzled to investigate
mortal hazel
yup
and conversely, True Understanding has much more specific wording to prevent it from being used that way
mortal hazel
yeah, pure baseline it's a better Fieldwork 80% of the time
(the other 20% of the time being when you're using the Fieldwork bonus against enemies or weird agenda/act tests, or treacheries that stick on people)
exotic robin
yeah, pure baseline it's a better Fieldwork 80% of the time
okay, I think this doesn't work on Duke, since it's a test on Duke, not on the location
but it should work on basic investigates...?
mortal hazel
Well, we know from Haste that a thing can be multiple things at once, so presumably a test on Duke can also be a test on the location?
exotic robin
MythosBusters server seems to be convinced it doesn't work on investigates based on uh, a Grizzled FAQ, but it seems like some really cherrypicked wording
maybe I should request a rules clarification from FFG for an unreleased card 
mortal hazel
What? That is really cherrypicked
Is the argument that an investigate is "against" a location rather than "on" one?
low osprey
MythosBusters server seems to be convinced it doesn't work on investigates based...
I don't think it should work on investigates, but if we are using the Grizzled FAQ, it very clearly says it does
mortal hazel
Personally I think it should work on investigates because that makes it a lot more interesting and useful without being overpowered. It'd put it closer on par with the other level 2 talents that give stat boosts - more conditional in some ways, less so in others
So you'd have a baseline very useful thing on it that makes it not a waste of space if you don't have any of the four cards you want to combo it with in hand and the campaign doesn't happen to be giving you any treacheries to use it on
idk without the ability to boost investigates with it, it's either a tech card you only bring into specific campaigns you've already beaten, or something you use for very specific, kinda overpowered combos (like Breach the Door)
because if the combo isn't kinda overpowered it's just not worth the deckspace and effort you need to go to to make it work
proven acorn
it does help with treacheries that are in your threat area I guess
but I think it's meant to just work for checks written on the location card specifically
mortal hazel
Like, I think, if this doesn't work on investigates, what would end up happening 90% of the time is that you put this in your deck with a cool scenario in mind, and then you never end up having time and resources to actually play it and make use of it
yeah, I can see an argument for it being intended to work either way, I'd just be unhappy with it one way
'cause it just becomes extremely niche, as opposed to a reasonably viable but unessential alternative to other means oaf achieving the same effect in a wide variety of builds
"I'll take this because I couldn't fit ||Hex|| on my Grizzled card on my eighth run of ||The Circle Undone||" is just kinda a sad use-case for a card
queen rune
Q: does AH campaign's structure usually allow for west marches style play?
(if it's on a campaign by campaign basis, it's good to know as well)
wispy phoenix
no, imo
astral flower
West marches?
wispy phoenix
Rotating players
tough owl
like the very beginning of pilot net!
charred maple
Q: does AH campaign's structure usually allow for west marches style play?
Absolutely not, there's story cards that'll go into people's decks and the game expect you to have a certain amount of xp as it ramps up
proven acorn
if an enemy with doom spawns, do you still get the charges?
It doesn't say you have to place the doom, or that it needs to be on a card you control
but either way, the masks seem pretty great so far
exotic robin
yeah, think so
proven acorn
actually you'd get a recharge from the agenda advancing too at worst
for level 0 and slotless, that seems pretty strong
mortal hazel
The masks are all really really strong, I think
Bit worrying, tbh, some amount of power creep is inevitable, but every investigator is already strong enough to help win the game on most difficulties
proven acorn
The masks are all really really strong, I think
yeah the ones we've seen so far seem pretty strong, and not that hard to recharge
exotic robin
and the second preview for today
proven acorn
okay I wasn't quite sure if the Wolf Mask would actually just be on engaging, but it sure is
that seems kinda insane
astral flower
my take on masks
proven acorn
I'm gonna guess Int/Will
wispy phoenix
Probably
tough owl
Guardian matches Combat Training (composure) [Fight, Agility]
Seeker...
Rogue matches Streetwise (permanent) [Book, Agility]
Mystic matches Blood Pact (permanent) [Will, Fight]
Survivor matches Dig Deep (assset) [Will, Agility]
so no consistent pattern that I can see, but I think Will + Book rounds everything out
wispy phoenix
Almost certainly will have "when a location you're at is emptied of clues" as a refill condition
astral flower
Almost certainly will have "when a location you're at is emptied of clues" as a ...
You could abuse that with clue drop
clear a location, drop 1 clue, pick it up again
mortal hazel
well, "abuse," that kind of payoff is generally already built into cluedrop
exotic robin
I'm gonna guess Int/Will
I hope not, I've heard and it's supposedly an owl mask based on the CC's teasers
but 
sure sounds like something they'd give Seekers
(the funniest option would be 
and I'd absolutely be on board for that)
proven acorn
even more support for the difficulty 0 strat was not something I expected necessarily
mortal hazel
yeah
proven acorn
slotless and 0 XP to boot
mortal hazel
I talked about this a lot elsewhere 'cause I try and be careful with where I post powerfully mixed feelings
I think, in a vacuum, it's just a decent card. Slotless but limited-use lantern that stacks with other asset or event investigate actions.
It probably gets a bit stupid when mixed with Shed a Light and Old Keyring 3, or with sufficiently powerful Scavenging 2/Bob decks
Though in the former case I think that's more an issue with Shed a Light and especially Old Keyring.
proven acorn
slotting into the Shed a Light combos was mainly what I was thinking of
also new weakness
mortal hazel
yup, and it's a good one
Very multi-faceted in a good way, is worse for some investigators than others, but not nearly to the ridiculous extent of the Scarlet Key RBWs.
proven acorn
mortal hazel
basically as expected
was either gonna be that or intellect and combat, and I think people figured out it was gonna be either a mouse or owl mask from some faint spoilery hints, and neither of those scream combat
(and clearing a location of clues would probably be too good)
Think this one has pretty limited utility outside of, obviously, Luke, for whom it is an autotake. May also be quite good for Amina, but the replenishment mechanic is even less generous on someone without the mobility options found in Seeker.
Seekers don't need the intellect boost, the willpower might be okay until you get Higher Education if your gameplan doesn't simply involve drawing infinity cards, hm, I guess Roland could maybe use it? If he can get enough combat boosts elsewhere, this rounds out his boosters elegantly, maybe as a placeholder for Girish.
Darrel really doesn't care
Monterey miight like it, but 5 level 0 seeker slots and +2 willpower isn't enough for him, without additional support, to do much against willpower treacheries.
proven acorn
Of the Masks so far, Wolf seems like the easiest include for most Guardians to me
Combat boost is usually good, and it has an easy recharge
Wonder if there will be an upgrade to the masks
exotic robin
If anyone's curious about the new investigator expansion, the author of this site got their pack on the original shipping date and is currently in the process of uploading the card images: https://arkham-starter.com/explore/fhv
(and if anyone's seen the text leaks - yeah, they were accurate)
proven acorn
Huh
exotic robin
(my box is probably arriving on the 16th or later, so I kinda appreciate this lol)
proven acorn
Katana real I guess
exotic robin
aside from the Myconoids the Seeker cards are very... normal? Cool but also not like, super powerful
fucking love Transmogrify
love the Rod of Carnamagos, but damn don't wanna look at the Rots too close huh
very appropriate that it's a Curse card
proven acorn
looking through the spoilers now, the upgrades to Read the Signs and Spectral Razor seem amazing
mortal hazel
Need a bit of buildaround but yeah
tough owl
or you just need a cursed player who says "don't draw the autofail" every time
mortal hazel
you're welcome
charred maple
Man so right now I got only three campaigns
QUESTION IS should I go by chronilogical order and get Circle Undone then wait for the Dream Eaters repackaging
Or say screw it, get Circle Undone and instantly go for Edge of the Earth?
tough owl
Edge of the Earth is great
mortal hazel
If you had to get any one expansion other than Dunwich, EotE is a pretty good one - though I'm thinking of investigator expansions there, on second thought, hm
Hmm
Well, campaign-wise I think I might still rec EotE first, but, yeah, depends on what theme calls to you more
astral flower
New taboo: OKR 3 + 1 XP, scavenging and its upgrade + 2 XP, pay day now works with Double cards
feels like it's making a lot of normal survivor decks pay for the sins of a few outliers
astral flower
did they?
mortal hazel
I think Scavenging (2) was genuinely a problem card. I think if Scavenging (0) eats a taboo, then they should also hit Lucky Cigarette Case, Magnifying Glass, Grim Memoir, and Arcane Initiate. Which doesn't, per se, mean that you can't justify hitting all of those cards, but it does go to point to a much bigger... consideration?
(there's an amusing lack of guardian cards on that list, I know)
tough owl
this is because guardians are of course the most honorable cards
pale jacinth
Been playing through The Circle Undone with my partner, card pool of EotE + Core + Circle Undone, they're playing Carolyn and I'm on Daniela, and every single scenario has been really close so far
So I'm trying to work out if there's any meaningful clue support I have access to in that card pool
Or otherwise interesting XP options
mortal hazel
yeah hmm, Survivor clues is a bit awkward in small cardpools
There's Burn After Reading if you've run out of other XP to spend, could also be used to get LWIF into your deck if you need to get rid of obsoleted 0xp Survivor cards
And I think that's about it, unfortunately
There's also Evidence in 0xp Guardian, 0xp Flashlight for a Neutral option
And it looks like that's about it
tough owl
I guess TCU has Interrogate
mortal hazel
Oh right so it does, hm. Well, if you can Burn After Reading it into Interrogate (probably worth more than spending 1xp on Interrogate outright) then that might be a decent source of clues
(With taboo, Interrogate doesn't require Humanoid enemies)
pale jacinth
Really just had the worst luck from the encounter deck today - (false lead surges into) the second demonic piping surges into the third demonic piping (which summons a miniboss if you have all three of them) surges into an enemy right as I'd been engaged by a boss
wispy phoenix
Does Kate's weakness count as a "player card effect"?
https://arkhamdb.com/bundles/cards/10008.png
exotic robin
(Added in FAQ, section 'Game Play', point 1.12) Weaknesses with an encounter cardtype (such as enemies or treacheries) are considered to be player cards while they are in their bearer’s deck, and are considered to be encounter cards while they are being resolved, and once they have entered play. Before a weakness with an encounter cardtype is resolved, it is still considered to be a player card.
yes when they're in your deck, no when you're actually resolving them
wispy phoenix
mortal hazel
Same goes for Roland's alternate weakness
wispy phoenix
Makes sense
wispy phoenix
I really like this one
proven acorn
Deckbuilding is Seeker 0-3, Curse and Gambit 0-4, up to 5 level 0 Rogue cards
wispy phoenix
The Advanced sigs actually seem respectably balanced, maybe
high kindle
they really are pushing the curse themes far
that search for the truth is pretty damn powerful
wispy phoenix
its stronk but I think the cost is pretty fair
capitvating discovery gets cards from deck in hand at a 1 to 2 per dropped clue ratio, where this is from discard at 1 to 1
I do like how it adds a new option with its own tax rather than being a pure upgrade to the baseline function
exotic robin
and also comes with turning Rex's Curse into a real weakness
wispy phoenix
Is it weird I like this Rex's Curse better than the base one????
It's just
simpler
Instead of a bunch of text for a token mulligan you just draw another
mortal hazel
yeah vanilla Rex's curse is just... really weird
On Standard it doesn't do much, on Hard it sometimes does things for weird unintuitive reasons, sometimes it has weird interactions with Curse tokens
exotic robin
I like because it's like... an actual weakness that does something. The base one is just annoying, but I don't think it really... does anything?
high kindle
cards from discard is I'd say a good bit stronger than hand
its a bit closer to tutor from deck
astral flower
Rex's Curse has not caused me much harm in 2 scenarios of my Innsmouth run
I think I lost a clue due to it
because I succeeded by 3 instead of 5 on a glyphs test
glad bolt
@visual wasp @high steeple @reef hedge behold, the world famous Alex Turns:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VULJqbFkivo
(spoilers for the dark matter fan campaign)
@mortal hazel @exotic robin @high kindle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4su1KBtilrI bonus video for THE LADS @tough owl @wispy phoenix
mortal hazel
<@189061207586504705> <@360367495963607040> <@431776413100802048> behold, the wo...
these turns are a lot louder in my head
glad bolt
"Investigate again, as my final action - investigating at - well, maybe my final action - I'm at 6, 7, 8... +5 cock shit eat fuck - no sorry I have an extra action"
dapper moon
Would people be interested in playing a campaign together here?
I'd have to check what times I'm free, cause weird schedule hours, but Arkham is that much better with at least 1 additional person
glad bolt
Would people be interested in playing a campaign together here?
I know my cule are wrapped up in like 3 campaigns already, but if people wanna run a pnet campaign that would be lovely
and yeah it's excellent with 2-4
astral flower
I am full on campaigns unfortunately
pale jacinth
Depends when, but I might be free
pale jacinth
(I realise that's vague, it's just a matter of "I can commit to weekly sessions that roughly align with my timezone" but my schedule and workload is such that it's easier if other people lock in a time that works")
Honestly if I find time tomorrow I could throw up a when2meet
proven acorn
can anyone actually send me the newest version of the mod?
I'm a few versions behind now I think
dapper moon
If I have a when2meet link, should I ping Arkham players with it? Or just post it and let people fill it out on their own?
dapper moon
Oh, there is not an easily pingable role. I'll just post
dapper moon
Arkham Players!
I would like to Host/Play/??? a Campaign on Pilot Net. I'm hoping for 1-3 other players and a consistent, weekly meetup time. The game will be played via TTS.
To help facilitate organizing times, I have created the following When2Meet: https://www.when2meet.com/?24277286-lpl5A. If you fill it out, I'd love a ping to check the times. Thank you for your attention.
wispy phoenix
Does this even have like
A timezone picker?
@dapper moon
Does it convert automatically or just not at all
dapper moon
Oh, uh, I believe it converts automatically?
Yeah, looks like it converts automatically
wispy phoenix
Okey dokey
dapper moon
Oof, just a 30 minute time period? that'll be rough to fit a game into
wispy phoenix
Oof, just a 30 minute time period? that'll be rough to fit a game into
Oh that was an accident
I'll fill it out properly in a bit
Get in Helldivers in the meantime
dapper moon
At work T^T
wispy phoenix
dapper moon
pokes Briar
wispy phoenix
*pokes Briar*
I've highlighted the block that works best for me
dapper moon
Thanks
oof, a grand total of 1 hour overlap, idk if that'll work for a game
But, we'll see how it turns out, ig
dapper moon
Oh, sorry
dapper moon
Yeah, between the three of us, there's a single window when everyone is free that is an hour long
wispy phoenix
dapper moon
We'll figure it out
dapper moon
Arkham Players!
I would like to Host/Play/??? a Campaign on Pilot Net. I'm hoping for 1-3 other players and a consistent, weekly meetup time. The game will be played via TTS.
To help facilitate organizing times, I have created the following When2Meet: https://www.when2meet.com/?24277286-lpl5A. If you fill it out, I'd love a ping to check the times. Thank you for your attention.
[This is the second posting, just want to make sure that people get a chance to see it]
dapper moon
Alrighty. I've got 4 responses, so I will ping you here and we'll talk it over.
@wispy phoenix
@proven acorn
@pale jacinth
It looks like the only time all 4 of us are available is <t:1712030400> (converted to your local time). And that is only for an hour total. Would either Alaen be able to start earlier by 60-90 minutes, or Empress be able to go longer by 60-90 minutes?
pale jacinth
Are you sure that's the right time? (I assumed when2meet had already converted to my time zone, which in hindsight might not have been smart)
dapper moon
... I thought that it did.... I may have been mistaken.
Is the time you listed as your "Monday" (idk if it's your day) <t:1712001600>?
Or is it off
pale jacinth
As in does my block of time on Monday start then, or the block of time on Monday where all four of us are available?
pale jacinth
Alrighty. I've got 4 responses, so I will ping you here and we'll talk it over.
...
The thing that's throwing me is just that the hammertime in this message is 5am my time, which I definitely can't do
So something's gone wrong time zone conversion wise somewhere
dapper moon
As in does my block of time on Monday start then, or the block of time on Monday...
Block on Monday Start
That's what I'm trying to figure out
pale jacinth
Is the time you listed as your "Monday" (idk if it's your day) <t:1712001600>?
4pm my time, the hammertime in this message is 9pm my time
proven acorn
Is the time you listed as your "Monday" (idk if it's your day) <t:1712001600>?
That is the time I input as the start of all my blocks yeah
dapper moon
Ah, so something is fucky. Let me see if I can find a better site for making this work
wispy phoenix
Ah, so something is fucky. Let me see if I can find a better site for making thi...
Use whenisgood.com
Way better
dapper moon
do you mean .net? .com is giving me a bunch of music vids in Korean
dapper moon
oops. I borked it. Take 2
@wispy phoenix @proven acorn @pale jacinth
Ok, apparently, despite saying it adjusts to timezones, when2meet does not in fact adjust for time zones so we've got a new option. Just make sure the timezone section (directly below the title) is set to the proper one for you. I people just want to fill out the 1st-7th zone as their weekly availability, cause I forgot to trim the available days
wispy phoenix
done
dapper moon
Ah, no worries
wispy phoenix
Done fr
wispy phoenix
Not looking great?
dapper moon
looks like we're looking at 1 total hour of shared availability between you and Alaen
Looks like around 1:30 pm on Tuesday for you? (for about 60 minutes, I think)
dapper moon
I think so. I'll wait for Empress to respond before a full ironing out, though
pale jacinth
filled in, sorry for the delay
dapper moon
No worries, people have lives
pain.jpeg
ok, so, it looks like no matter how I arrange or anyone can flex, the best sets are (in my time zone):
A. Monday Eve starting at circa 6:30pm, if Briar is still up to start ~2hrs before their posted start time. Unfortunately, that would exclude Empress. <t:1712017800>
B. Monday Morning at circa 3am. Unfortunately, that would exclude Alaen. <t:1711963800>
C. +24 hours from Slot B (Tuesday circa 3am), unfortunately still missing Alaen.
@wispy phoenix @proven acorn @pale jacinth anyone have thoughts?
pale jacinth
I'm cool to dip if it makes scheduling less of a nightmare - I've got enough of my IRL friends into Arkham that I can get a campaign together elsewhere, and my schedule is probably the most likely to be subject to sudden "oh wait I can't make this something's come up" over the next month or two (it's not necessarily likely, but it's definitely not impossible given I have uni work deadlines looming in the distance)
dapper moon
@wispy phoenix would you be able to make around: <t:1712017800> this time? If yes, I think we can plan for that with Alaen, You, and Me.
wispy phoenix
Yeag
dapper moon
Ok, one more ping incoming, sorry for that.
@proven acorn @wispy phoenix
Looks like we'll be playing at circa <t:1712017800> on a weekly basis. I've got a few question I would like answered and then a few requests.
Q1. Would we like to be prepared to play at that time or do a "session 0" at that time?
Q2. What role do you generally prefer filling?
Q3. What level of comfortable are you with "managing" the game?
Q4. Is there a set of stories (missions? campaigns?) you would strictly NOT like to play?
Q5. Is there a preferred method for sharing decks? (ArkhamDB is my go-to, but it might be different elsewhere)
Request 1: If we could try to communicate cancelations as far in advance as possible, it's just easier for my brain the longer I have to process changes of plan.
Request 2: Please ping me in any responses to this message.
wispy phoenix
<@145271829882339328> <@166290470530580480>
Looks like we'll be playing at cir...
1: Prepared to play
2: I can play anything, idm
3: 110%, completely
4: Forgotten Age and Path to Carcosa
5: ArkhamDB is the best
proven acorn
<@145271829882339328> <@166290470530580480>
Looks like we'll be playing at cir...
That time should be fine for regular play
- Should be good to play at that time, we can probably figure out decks and campaign in advance
- I got a lot of gators to play still, so I'm also flexible in terms of role
- Pretty comfortable I think
- Carcosa because I played it previously
- Definitely ArkhamDB
wispy phoenix
Do you have an investigator preference, Hades?
dapper moon
Not in particular. I usually play a Purple Flex character
Dragon Pole Akachi or Cancel Everything Diana are my typical go-tos, but I'm thinking about branching to either a "I see the Whole Deck" Mandy Thompson or a "Why should my allies pay for anything" Bob Jenkins
Mandy obviously used as a Cluever and either a fighty or generalist Bob
depending on what else comes up
wispy phoenix
Alaen, what were you thinking?
dapper moon
There's also Gunslinger Jenny as a character I've always been interested in playing if we need someone SUPER fighty
proven acorn
Alaen, what were you thinking?
thinking maybe Darrell or Alessandra
probably overall tending more towards clueing or flex
dapper moon
Cool, I'll throw together a kinda Fighty Bob, in that case.
As for Campaign, how does Circle Undone sound?
wispy phoenix
I can but y'all will have shitty ping
dapper moon
I mean. We're central US, Central US, and Australia. Everyone who isn't hosting is gonna eat it a little bit
wispy phoenix
Fair enough!
dapper moon
I will likely be taking Charon's Obol, so be prepared for me to duck and weave... a LOT
wispy phoenix
I would actually prefer if you didn't, if that's okay? I'm not a fan of how Obol creates large XP gaps and, moreover, how it encourages selfish play or bad decision making
dapper moon
Sure, can do
wispy phoenix
I'd overall prefer a soft ban approach to it and cards like Delve Too Deep
Cheers, appreciate that
dapper moon
Thank you for letting me know
wispy phoenix
No problem!
wispy phoenix
Using it to greed XP and also just, again, inflating XP values a bunch
Can make stuff too easy
dapper moon
Fair enough
I've probably played too many early campaigns, cause I'm used to like 3 XP per scenario, if you're lucky
dapper moon
Dunwich, mainly
And also Dream-Eaters
which feels like it needs about +1 XP per scene for the first couple of scenes
wispy phoenix
Yeah, don't worry, other campaigns have significantly better XP opportunities
dapper moon
Ok, cool
So, my Bob is shaping up to be pretty heavily able to grab clues and just generally investigate in addition to fighting, just fyi, Alaen
Honestly just kinda able to do most things, depending on the cards I draw
hmmm
Hyperphysical Shotcaster is right there
It does nothing scene 1, but is very, very good thereafter
(Nothing beyond being a 1 ? skill card, ig)
#justplaycontrol
wispy phoenix
If you want Shotcaster, just upgrade into it and run a useful card scenario 1
You don't need to have it in your deck to purchase it with boxes already ticked later, sans tax
dapper moon
Costs +1 xp if I do that, hence why I was thinking about catching it ear-
Wait
What
That's... Perfectly sensible but not how I processed that working
wispy phoenix
That's not how it works with Customisable cards
dapper moon
Which, yeah. I bring something else in that case
Also, I'm near-certain there's a Rogue card that lets you investigate but if you succeed you get money instead of clues, but I cannot find it for some reason
Oh, it's
It's Burglary
More ways to do an investigate without needing clues makes Bob better, I think
wispy phoenix
More ways to do an investigate without needing clues makes Bob better, I think
Why is that?
dapper moon
Cause Scavenger and Prof William Webb will let me recover more Items the more times I can investigate.
Now, if we need me to just knuckle down and collect clues, I'm also fully capable of that, but with a Darrell on the team sometimes picking up all the clues isn't optimal.
It's also just a good way to make money for Bob
wispy phoenix
I very much don't want to backseat your deckbuilding, but I'm actually not a big fan of Burglary myself
dapper moon
Can I ask for specifics as to why?
Also, no worries on Backseating Deckbuilding, I like hearing other perspectives beyond my own
wispy phoenix
Its mostly that it's a very inefficient source of resource generation - 1 action, 1 card, 1 resource to play, then another action to test for the possibility of getting resources, means you're only breaking even on overall investment of cards and time by the third success
Finding more clues is never going to be a realistic problem in 90% of scenarios
dapper moon
Gotcha. Is there a long-term resource generation card you'd take instead?
dapper moon
Ah... hm... I'd probably want to In the Thicc of It -> Charisma for that, as I'm already running Prof Webb for Item Recovery...
Tho... If I drop Webb
wispy phoenix
I'd honestly probably just go for Scavenging instead of Webb - I'm fine with ignoring the latest taboo
proven acorn
So, my Bob is shaping up to be pretty heavily able to grab clues and just genera...
that's okay, I might also lean more flex then
also probably not doubling up on Survivor then, just because I dislike class doubles
might do Alessandra and do parley shenanigans
or another Rogue perhaps
wispy phoenix
I mean to be fair
Hank and Darrell are basically chalk and cheese
Its a bit irrational to dislike double classing when our card overlap will realistically be tiny
Play him if you like
dapper moon
Chalk and Cheese? That has to be a regionalism
proven acorn
also true
I was actually thinking of Bob, but he also actually goes into Rogue
so maybe I'll do Darrell after all
I'll see about brewing up something tomorrow
dapper moon
Right, I totally forgot about the newest Taboo. That's painful.
Especially for Jenkins
wispy phoenix
Yeah I think it's stupid and paying for Matchbox's mistakes
dapper moon
I... I was planning on including matchbox
heh. I just started watching Kim and Kath. "My marriage is O-V-A-H. OVER!"
wispy phoenix
If we ignore the Scavenging nerf I will ask we either soft ban matchbox or make it like
2 or 3xp
It is truly fucked up
proven acorn
yeah not sure how Matchbox made it in as is
it just slots way too easily into the diff 0 archetype
wispy phoenix
Real
proven acorn
which mostly just seems odd after they already nerfed a bunch of the cards the last two taboos
wispy phoenix
I have faith they'll change it, but yeah
dapper moon
2x .18 Derringer
2x Flashlight
1x Lantern
1x Mariner's Compass
2x Old Keyring
2x Pocket Multi Tool
1x Switchblade
1x Thieves' Kit
1x Lucky Cigarette Case
1x Rabbit's Foot
1x Tool Belt
1x Gregory Gry
1x Bandages
1x Fox Mask
2x Scavenging
2x Schoffner's Catalogue
1x Scrapper
1x Shrewd Dealings
1x Track Shoes
2x Emergency Cache
2x Long Shot
2x Resourceful
1x Greed
1x Random Basic Weakness
This is what I have so far. Might pick up Short Supply though
proven acorn
I have faith they'll change it, but yeah
I think chaining it by 1-2 XP would already mostly do it
I think the main thing that makes it a bit egregious is just that it's free to include
dapper moon
I would also posit that XP cost cards without altering some things would be a better solution, tbh
wispy phoenix
I would also posit that XP cost cards without altering some things would be a be...
Could you elaborate?
dapper moon
... I missed some words in there
I would posit that increasing the XP costs of some cards without altering the level
some thingswould be a better solution, tbh
There we go
dapper moon
Ah, neat
proven acorn
I don't think any of the taboo has actually changed the level of a card yet
Also trending more towards doing a Seeker now, still a bit undecided
Might do Harvey
Need to think about it a bit more, but I'll do that tomorrow
wispy phoenix
...Hrm, okay
dapper moon
...Yrm, okay
wispy phoenix
This deck is funny but your lack of events and skills is going to cause you extreme money problems and make it very difficult to pass tests consistently
You're gonna need to click for resources a lot, especially if you don't draw into your Schnoffer's or ECaches
dapper moon
Yeah. I may do a little finagling here
I mean, if I take Thicc, I could fit up to 3x Easy Marks
Or 1x Crafty for 2x Replenishing Resources
Both of which actually make a lot of sense and could let me thin out the deck a little
There we go. 3x Easy Marks should up my card draw and resource gen
wispy phoenix
So what's the main objective of the deck?
dapper moon
Very flexy, but with a slightly higher focus on investigation to trigger Scavenger or Thieves Tools
It's also hoping to be able to play ally Items for them
wispy phoenix
What's your overall plan for passing tests consistently?
Patricularly the oversuccess you'll need to get Scavenging to activate
dapper moon
- Pocket Multi Tool
- Mariner's Compass
- Fox Mask
- Scrapper
- Resourceful a little bit
And Gry, potentially
wispy phoenix
Hmm
Okay, so I think you're running into some pretty hefty clashes here
PMT is a good card overall, but its only +1 to a test, and only 1 per round
dapper moon
If you're going to mention hands, I've got tool belt for that.
wispy phoenix
The Compass can add a good amount of book...but it needs you to spend money. So does Scrapper. Your deck needs extreme amounts of resources to function, overall, and Scavenging back Catalogues is good but very time heavy
Fox Mask is a good card, but the recharge stipulation is prohibitive for you