World of Darkness

[marble sorrel]

Yeah, by default only armour soaks agg

And well...if it's not Dark Ages...

There's not much of that about

[patent talon]

Just finished watching the WoD Dimension 20 episode, it's real good

[rapid glacier]

Also in W5, there is a hotly debated line about how Garou can only be permanently killed by fire, silver, or ‘total body obliteration’, which is up to the ST to make a ruling on but I mean who isnt weak to being shoved into a woodchipper

Killing a vampire is Sunlight or getting decapitated, and they get immobilized by a stake in the heart; granted that’s a tough called shot but a frenzied Garou is uh gonna be able to handle that

I think thematically speaking, them surviving their kind of violence is mostly to hammer home just how ineffective violence is at fixing their problems, which is why many of them succumb to spiritual depression and suicide almost as frequently as being destroyed in combat

[fathom haven]

Sigh Harano, my hatred

And yeah, I think that's a good way to put that, a lot of the problems require healing and a surgical scapel, instead of thrashing a hammer around

[tough pebble]

In WoD, how much of the early FOSS community do you think was secretly glasswalker garou

Not asking if there's a canon answer, asking how funny do you think it would be if WoD-Linus Torvalds didn't know he was talking with werewolves

[fathom haven]

I think that's one of the funniest things I've ever heard

[rapid glacier]

what makes you think Linus Torvalds wasn't a werewolf

[tough pebble]

But also imagine a libre software community with even more infighting and weird personal beliefs

[tough pebble]

Oh god. His mailing list rage. It all makes sense now.

Or maybe it would be even worse

"Your sorry birth broke Gaia's heart the same way you break userspace."

[viscid stratus]

Tbf, all of this is assuming more literacy than the average lupine has :v

[fathom haven]

Hope you like fire bombs, leech

[viscid stratus]

joke's on you, the chantry is warded
Hey, my MtA character is dating a werewolf :v
-# She's Society of Discord and he's a stargazer, and together they are completely insufferable

[radiant marsh]

My Shadow Lord in a server game once started dating a Vampire

Completely by accident

Neither of them were aware there was anything weird with the other

Because Vampires don't suffer from the Curse, and the Vamp in question was Humanity 8, so she didn't ping as Wyrm tainted.

Sadly the game died before Shenanigans could ensue

[nimble gale]

@marble sorrel hey does that story sound familiar

[marble sorrel]

Shush You 😛

[nimble gale]

why is it always shadow lords

[viscid stratus]

Well, one of the pcs in the V:tM game I've been enlisted to run has expressed interest in playing True Brujah

so good news everyone, there is now a Temporis discipline for v5

[limpid shoal]

Oh no

[marble sorrel]

Yay

[frank atlas]

Enlisted?!

[viscid stratus]

new German draft laws, haven't you heard?
You know how it is, you don't want to waste a time slot, no one else has the bandwidth to run something etc 🤷‍♀️

[frank atlas]

You don't have to run yourself, workaholic

How many weekly games you on

[rapid glacier]

I just woke up and saw this but I have to say it; this has to be the most obnoxious power couple lmao, I feel for your ST

[viscid stratus]

Not that many actually
Like five plus a handful of pbp's

[viscid stratus]

It's just deeply amusing cause it makes 'sleeping with the enemy' free real estate cause both of those faction are like, chill with it

-# so really this character only has 15 flaw dots, not nineteen

[rapid glacier]

Are uh there not rules for maximum number of dots of flaws in the older editions? 15 seems like a lot

[frank atlas]

I need you to know that's one per day of workweek

[rapid glacier]

We should all be so lucky

[frank atlas]

I'd die

[rapid glacier]

I’d run games every day if I didn’t have bills to worry about

[viscid stratus]

You get freebie points for up to 7, but you're allowed to have as many as you want

[rapid glacier]

Well good luck, I can’t get fifteen in any version of WoD before I start to look like the dude from Smoking Aces

[viscid stratus]

It is also the sum total of my free time 🤷‍♀️

It's the minimum my backstory required 🙁

[marble sorrel]

Aininur just got her hands on Way of Fire, which will make her a very accomplished vampire sorcerer. Or, you know, make everyone in LOS freak the hell out because while she's immune to red fear from fire...they are...very much not.

[nimble gale]

make the solution to all your problems 'I summon a spirit of flame'

[marble sorrel]

And now she's chasing a bird around town that stole some of her hair.

Because A) She knows what a good mage or sorcerer could do with that B) This is the dark ages. Do you know how much work it takes to make your hair look good before modern plumbing and treatments?

[clear delta]

I almost was part of an omage game years ago and was gonna run an artist in it
I wonder, if one could make an entire order dedicated to art in nmage

Like, "Magic is communication" or something? Magic is already inherently symbolic

[mighty zephyr]

That's already the Free Council tbh

[high current]

Yeah, and one of the 2e books gives mechanics for casting spells through art, called Basilisks iirc

Signs of Sorcery I think?

[mighty zephyr]

Ya

[high current]

Man at some point I want to have another go at running nMage with people who actually get the vibe right. I've run a few games but most of my players either wanted the rules explained to them instead of reading the book or just essentially expected me to handle all of the mechanics for them

[viscid stratus]

The Taftani would like a word

"Art is the ultimate form of human expression, Magic is the ultimate form of art"

they are incredibly cool except for all the obligatory 'oh white wolf' bits

[clear delta]

THough their creed is more "humanity is magical"
Yeah, don't think art itself can make an order

[marble sorrel]

Update on Aininur: She accidentily introduced a werewolf to another werewolf and they immediately got into a fight. Aininur remains unaware of this fact. She does not have Auspex.

[mighty zephyr]

Yeah but art is a huge facet of humanity

[clear delta]

good point

[vast blaze]

Possibly a stupid question, what's the closest thing to like, traditional fantasy dwarves in WoD

The Nockers, right

[viscid stratus]

Live underground
Hideous
Petty
constantly clinging to grudges
Pretty sure it's the Nosferatu :V

[vast blaze]

Hideous?! HIDEOUS?!

THAT'S A GRUDGIN

[viscid stratus]

I guess it is a little unfair to the Nosferatu, they aren't that ugly 😔

[vast blaze]

OOOOOOOOOOOOO THAT'S A GRUDGIN FOR SURE

https://tenor.com/view/dammaz-kron-dwarf-gif-27703552

[viscid stratus]

https://klipy.com/gifs/goblin-slayer-high-elf-archer-3

[nimble gale]

it varies splat to splat and also what aspect of dwarf you want to like, emphasize

but nockers are a good play, legitimately so are nosferatu

[craggy coyote]

vtm: Nosferatu or some variety of Ventrue tbh.

wta: unsure

mage; syndicate technocrats

[limpid shoal]

[strong bronze]

this will be interesting

[vast blaze]

Oh my god 😭

This y'all

[strong bronze]

....

about that

one of them

[vast blaze]

LMAO

"Do they deliver e-mails on Sunday?"-ass

[viscid stratus]

My current coterie had this exact 'does anyone have a dot of technology?' conversation after we found... a comical amount of plastic explosives in need of being defused

-# And while my Tremere only has exactly (1) dot in technology, by way of "six successes on six dice" we found out that apparently she paid very close attention during those kinds of classes as a girl in soviet high school in the late 70s q.q

[limpid shoal]

"Can I bully a nerd tho" is funny

[vast blaze]

Stupid thought

What happens if a Gargoyle gets turned back into a human

Like, specifically a Tremere-created one

[fathom haven]

I've thought about this extensively

[vast blaze]

Do the two poor sods that were chophouse'd get separated and turned to humans? Does the Gargoyle just turn into a regular dude that's sort of a blend of the two? Or just a guy that looks like one of the two? Would their physical form even change at all or would they remain a stone dude with wings?

[marble sorrel]

I mean, I'd query how they got turned back. You can't really un-vampire a vampire very easily.

[vast blaze]

Let's say either Golconda or the blessings of Osiris

[fathom haven]

Bc in the campaign I'm running for VTM I've got a Gargoyle Sheriff

[marble sorrel]

I'd say they go back to full independent people then, yeah.

[fathom haven]

In my opinion, I think they'd become a new person

[marble sorrel]

Golconda and Blessing of Osirus both fall under 'a god did it and one with a history of kindness', so I'm kinda on the side of 'give them the best deal'

[vast blaze]

That's a good point

I guess Osiris could maybe also leave them with their new form if they like it for some reason

"Okay I hate being a vampire but I like having sicknasty wings and rocky skin, can I keep that?"

"...eh, sure, why not."

[fathom haven]

It could also be a matter of individual as well, and perhaps if they've been freed from Tremere control before it happens or not

[vast blaze]

Tbh I kinda wish Gargoyles were weird ghouls or something rather than Kindred, they don't really feel appropriate for vampires

[marble sorrel]

Clearly the best option this being Osirus is they come back as seperate people with the missing parts replaced with Mummy Soul, making them Mummies.

[vast blaze]

True

[marble sorrel]

As that point you literally have someone who was cut up and then brought back to life

[vast blaze]

"Oh shit, two mummies for the price of one??? What a steal, y'all should go recruit more of these weirdos."

[marble sorrel]

Which feels kinda in theme for Osiris.

[vast blaze]

Oh shit that's very true

I hadn't considered that angle

[fathom haven]

Technically they have Gargoyle ghouls as well

[vast blaze]

In V5, right?

[fathom haven]

Yeah, Blood Sigils book

I think my thought process is that if they're under Tremere control when it happens, then they revert back to individuals, but if they have been freed and had the opportunity to develop themselves as an individual, they might just come back as one new person, unburdened by their past selves

[mighty zephyr]

Gargoyles being ghouls are the default in v5 ya

[vast blaze]

Feels like it should've been that way in V20 tbh

They just feel kind of weird as vampires

[marble sorrel]

Eh, I think they work fine as vampires. They're weird vampires but flesh crafting has an established history in VTM

[vast blaze]

Mmm, true

Idk, I just wish they were sort of their own thing rather than being vampires

They work fine as vampires, it's just they'd have been neater if they were some weird outlier

[patent stirrup]

Got a question for yall loreheads
Would a flare gun be effective against a vampire?

[fathom haven]

Absolutely

[patent stirrup]

HEHEHE

I will use this power for evil

[fathom haven]

It still has the capacity to produce a flame, and is more than enough to make the Beast of a vampire wig the fuck out

[patent stirrup]

Hmmm… would it be difficult for a vampire to use one then?

[fathom haven]

Hmm

If they were close to their target

I would say tesy

*yes

[mighty zephyr]

Not really tbh

[patent stirrup]

My zoner build works then

[mighty zephyr]

Vampires can use lighters

[fathom haven]

Yes but even a little cigarette can make them uncomfortable

*lit cigarette

[viscid stratus]

Shoutout to my Brujah firing off a dragon's breath round in an enclosed underground space, instantly frenzying all 6 other vampires in the room

[fathom haven]

V20 rule book, when talking about the Red Fear

Lighting of a cigarette is minimal, but it still makes the Beast stir with discomfort

[fathom haven]

Hell yeah Sister 🤘

[viscid stratus]

-# That woman also fully believed she was a superhero to be fair

[fathom haven]

I would say firing off the flare itself might not be too bad

[nimble gale]

Basically the vampire firing the flare gun is probably going to feel uncomfortable about it through their Beast, but since they've prepared themselves to do it, they aren't likley to lose control to it

[fathom haven]

Exactly

Now if the screaming burning vampire..were to say

Use it's last actions to sprint towards the attacker

[viscid stratus]

-# they find out I have five more rounds in the tube

I mean yes, that would definitely be scary

[fathom haven]

LMAO

[marble sorrel]

Well, Aininur just got into a brawl with a werewolf because she makes Dumb Decisions.

It went surprisingly not-badly! Mostly since the werewolf wasn't expecting a silver blade.

But Aininur runs under 'gut me once, shame on you. gut me twice, shame on me'

In even more dumb decisions: Aininur let the werewolf go. I'm sure @nimble gale is gunna have that bite me in the ass later.

[nimble gale]

Maybe even literally

but what's the worst that could happen, it's just a get of fenris theurge in 1242

[high current]

🍑

[marble sorrel]

To be fair, that's not the worst 40s to met the Get of Fenris!

[nimble gale]

fuck

jesus fucking christ dude

i'm gonna die lmao

[marble sorrel]

But yeah, Aininur didn't want to kill the werewolf. She just wanted them to stop fighting in town where it might get people hurt.

She's a serial Amaranth performer but like...she doesn't want to kill people without a good reason.

And 'two dumbasses in a stupid fight in-town' isn't 'Time to kill them!' worthy in her mind.

And anyway, Aininur's not very pleased with the local werewolves right now.

Aininur: Oh look, local werewolves:

❎ Fight The Wyrm Spirits or Protect The Caerns?
✅ Get In Pissing Matches With Other Supernaturals and Start Brawls In Town?

[limpid shoal]

Yay brawls...wait...

[marble sorrel]

...I'm also realising that for as much as if she knew about the games, Aininur would be offended by the Assassin's creed games she did just beat a werewolf up and down a street by relying on 'Parry, then Riposte with a short blade'.

[high current]

Aininur is a Soulsborne protag

[nimble gale]

more bourne than souls

the souls protag is Piotr, the Polish Peasent Prince

the man stupid enough to sleep with a setite but good in a fight

[marble sorrel]

Though Aininur sorta really lucked out on this not really being a Dedicated Combat Werewolf

As like even a 'combat isn't my main thing' werewolf a terror.

[limpid shoal]

Still a blender on legs

[marble sorrel]

Oh 100%

[nimble gale]

If htat bite had hit you were looking at six dice of aggravated damage, so yeah

[marble sorrel]

Yeah, Aininur's got Masterwork Class 1 armour

So that would have been...2 dice. Total.

For soaking that

[nimble gale]

yeeep

[marble sorrel]

Also: Man, being rich is great in dark ages.

Being able to go 'I have a silver, mastercrafted sword' was a lot of the reason she had any chance in that fight

[craggy coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/violence-i-choose-violence-both-is-good-gif-624126049265307727

[marble sorrel]

Aininur right now.

[nimble gale]

[marble sorrel]

...in new funny things: The Get doesn't know Aininur is a vampire.

As far as she's aware, this random human walked in on two werewolves fighting, beat the shit out of one of them and yelled at the other one until it stopped fighting.

And now is desperate that no other Get of Fenris find out she got beaten up and down the street by a mortal sorcerer with a silver knife.

[limpid shoal]

Hahahahahah

[marble sorrel]

The power of deceptive aura + blush of life in terms of 'NOBODY MUST LEARN MY SHAME'

[vast blaze]

And Touch of the Wyld

I kinda wanna make a vampire that's just like

Human+ essentially

Blush of Life, Deceptive Aura, Touch of the Wyld, Eat Food, the one merit that makes animals not hate you

You only suffer the absolute worst of the drawbacks of being a vampire

[marble sorrel]

Critters!

That's the name of the merit

[vast blaze]

Oh, no, it's Inoffensive To Animals

[marble sorrel]

Right, Critters is the upgraded version.

But yeah, that's basicly Aininur's setup. She doesn't have Touch of the Wyld but she's also Humanity 8 so she just naturally doesn't detect as wyrm tainted.

If her humanity dropped she'd start detecting

[vast blaze]

The issue with being high humanity is it also necessitates kind of boring gameplay

[marble sorrel]

Eh, depends on boring. Aininur is fun because she makes so many terrible decisions based on her being high morality.

Like having a half-dead werewolf and telling it to go away and stop causing trouble, despite me as a player being fully aware this is going to get her attacked later.

[vast blaze]

True

Boring to me in that it limits how much you can kick ass and take names

...which I know I'm not supposed to do but unfortunately I like the pillar of combat too much

[viscid stratus]

Shoutout to V5 for fixing humanity rules

[marble sorrel]

I'm a bit iffy on V5 there but then, Aininur would not have her high morality in V5 due to how those rules work. XD

[viscid stratus]

how does that work? o:

[marble sorrel]

Amaranth in V5 is always a turbosin, no matter the morality rules for the campaign.

And Aininur is...Banu Haqim.

While it's not a sin against her Zoroastrian Faith in Dark Ages.

[viscid stratus]

I mean, I've committed Diablerie multiple times in v5 without losing a single dot of humanity

It's just a matter of how you build your convictions

[worthy sundial]

yea conviction reduces any stains gained from diablerie

or well more generally, any stains flat so long as what u did is for the conviction

[marble sorrel]

...I need to check my v5 book again. I swore it came with an automatic point of humanity lost outside of stains.

[worthy sundial]

doublechecks - ok yea it does lmao

Effects of Diablerie
Once the diablerie is complete, the diablerist must assert control over the alien Blood in their system or risk falling prey to their victim’s spirit. This process resolves as follows:
■ The diablerist loses 1 point of Humanity.

and then u do a humanity+blood potency vs victims resolve+blood potency contest to see if u lose any extra humanity

[viscid stratus]

Ok fair, I did not remember that
-# everything else about the diablerie rules needed to be fixed, I did not remember we changed that too

[marble sorrel]

Yeah. Aininur's just in a bit of an awkward area where V5 Morality + Blood Sorcery rules would kinda mess her up.

As her path of magic doesn't exist in V5

She's Path of Spirit Manipulation. She's a Spiritualist (Not Ghosts, Spirits of the world about her).

[viscid stratus]

See, I've been having a lot of fun playing Tremere in v5, but the solution to Blood Sorcery was also to just write my own that aren't terrible

[marble sorrel]

Spirit Manipulation is fun as it sorta avoids a lot of the 'Hey, this path is super powerful all the time' issues by being a really good but also really specific tool.

She's gotten a lot from 'how about I ask some local spirits'

But if someone's beating her ass, she needs to bring out the knife

Still very pleased with the first time the other PCs realized she was a sorcerer was her grabbing a Bane Spirit by the throat and commanding it 'Start running and never stop'

[viscid stratus]

See, I am in the awkward position of "the canonical powersets of the flavor of tremere I am are a random grab bag of wizard druid shit", but I find that is very easy to balance narratively

[marble sorrel]

We have an Actual Tremere in the group too. Aininur's second most important role is applying the spray bottle to Cassia whenever she looks about to do some Real Evil Wizard Shit.

[viscid stratus]

'actual tremere' is such a loaded term :v

-# On my character sheet it says [Tremere*,**]

[marble sorrel]

Well, this is Dark Ages so 'actual tremere' runs into 'oh yeah, she's met Tremere, titular'

Aininur's stance on Cassia is 'with some hard work, she might one day develop a conscience'

Which is very optimistic

Despite having a Serial Amaranth Performer who spends her time talking to rocks and an Actual Tremere, our lowest humanity guy is Piotr.

Why is Piotr low humanity? Eh, he just kinda started that way. He was a dark ages soldier for a vampire lord before he was turned and was already very numb to the idea of killing before he became a vampire.

He's less 'malevolent' low humanity and more 'very callous' low humanity. He doesn't really care about killing.

[fathom haven]

I surpassed an elder using celerity today :]

As a Mokole

[marble sorrel]

You gots the Zoomies

[fathom haven]

Very much have the zoomies, zoomies that left a me sized hole in a wall that fried said elder

Via the sun wielding Corax, I should add

[viscid stratus]

See, that's what I really like about the v5 rules - like, the all Hecata chronicle I was in went some uh... dark places, and 2/3 vampires in the coterie lost like multiple humanity dots before everything was said and done
Meanwhile my girl (Elizabeth Nimue Milliner) was groomed all her life to be a vampire mob prince, and she was already such a phenomenally trash person as a kine that, like... nothing monstrous she did afterwards particularly fazed her
-# also all of her convictions where phrased as quotes from Jack Nickolson's character from The Departed, because that amuses me greatly

[worthy sundial]

its hitting me that the wod5 model rly is a continuation of owod bc they still somehow havent made a general system rulebook

[marble sorrel]

It's going to be risky but Aininur is Planning something that might help with those 'sunlight' issues for her. Also just generally help her with the 'it's the dark ages and all you fuckers are afraid of fire' issues.

[fathom haven]

Is it something you could tell your local friendly totally not a Shadow Lord :]

[marble sorrel]

Rank 4 of Path of Spirit Manipulation lets you make Fetishes, like a Garou!

Eye of the Night - Level 2, Gnosis 5 - The Eye of the Night is an unusual fetish in that its effect changes from day to night. A small circular glass disk maybe 5 inches in diameter, the fetish is either bound with a sun-spirit at dusk, or a Lune just before dawn. Both spirits produce the same effect in this fetish. When activated, the disk is hurled into the air and at its apex will suddenly stop and remain centered over the user's head.

If activated at night, the disk will suddenly burst into a glow as powerful as the full moon. This can be useful for searching dark areas, and it will also stun any opponents who can't make a Wits + Alertness roll at difficulty 7. (Stunned opponents lose their next action; this fetish can't stun entities that don't rely on sight.) 

During the day, however, the disk foes black as a starless night and filters the sunlight through the night-infused glass. This is most particularly useful during very long, hot, sunny travels. Garou with this fetish receive -2 difficulty to Stamina rolls for fighting off exhaustion under appropriate circumstances. An Eye of the Night can be activated once per scene.

And she's aiming for this one

[fathom haven]

Ooohooo man that's so cool

[marble sorrel]

The 'daytime' bit is not really the goal so much as the nighttime bonus. Being able to just Have a Light that doesn't cause all my allies to start making red fear checks if things go chaotic is useful

[fathom haven]

https://tenor.com/view/knife-annoyed-gif-13396678

[marble sorrel]

As this is kinda pre 'you can buy an electric torch'

[fathom haven]

I need to play just a straight up Garou again, I miss it

I've been Fera for so long

[marble sorrel]

The tricky part is going to be 'Finding a Lune, just before dawn and getting this done in time'

As that's kinda not a safe time to be a vampire

[fathom haven]

Hmmm

I wonder

What time frame of Dark Ages are you in

[marble sorrel]

1242 poland!

[marble sorrel]

As I described it to ID: 'Not the worst 40s to encounter a Get of Fenris during'. Though still not a good one.

[fathom haven]

Pay a Black Spiral Dancer to find the Lune for you

[marble sorrel]

Having anything to do with BSD would go heavily against her morality.

She hates those guys/they defile spirits

[fathom haven]

In that case

You could owe a Shadow Lord a favor if you parley

[marble sorrel]

She's going to try and do it herself becuase the local spirits do owe her a solid.

She found one of the local spirits attacked by the Baali, bound in bloody iron spiked chains and left to bleed out in a grove.

And freed it

So the local spirits have her as 'not a bad sort'

[fathom haven]

Honestly that's so fair, I've played one Black Spiral Dancer, and I didn't feel comfortable doing anything with that character than murder, cannibalism, and a bit of chemical terrorism

[fathom haven]

Very good very good

[marble sorrel]

The main threat of the campaign so far is Baali and BSDs. They're using the aftershocks of the mongolian invasion of poland to try and push things fully into plague/collapse of society.

And well...they're making a solid shot at it so far. The local werewolf pack are all dead and so is the local prince.

[fathom haven]

That's a great plot hook holy shit

[marble sorrel]

A lot of what Aininur's been doing is less 'knife fighting werewolves' or 'doing big rituals' and more less overt but important stuff like 'visiting local granaries and driving out the spirits of sickness they've goaded into the buildings'

As if the mortals get pushed into 'pandemic', then the vampires will also collapse and that leaves the Knights Templar as the only Major Supernatural Group in the region that could cause them trouble.

[fathom haven]

I love that, this sounds like a hella cool story

What I wouldn't give to play in a VTM campaign

I'm always running them

[marble sorrel]

The GM did it in part to make it a situation where the players are relatively new vampires making calls way above their usual pay grade.

Aininur might not be a veteran vampire but she's the only spiritualist they have on hand.

[fathom haven]

Desperate times and all that

[marble sorrel]

And Piotr is a very newly turned ex-soldier but he was also the last vampire turned by the Prince and this is 'Dark Ages Prince', not 'Cam Prince' and that means he's technically next in line, though everyone's aware his position is very weak.

There's like 20 vampires total in the region. Lower totals due to dark ages and all that and the PCs are needing to do a lot of heavy lifting to stop things falling apart.

Which makes 'Hey, good(?) news: It looks like Black Spirital Dancers might not be the only werewolves in the region, some new ones just arrived...oh fuck, it's the GET OF FENRIS' a very frustrating revelation. XD

[fathom haven]

LMAO

Yeah that would suck lmao, especially as relatively new vamps

So you're Tremere, what is Piotr

[marble sorrel]

I'm Banu Haqim, actually!

[fathom haven]

OH

Hell yeah Banu slaps

[marble sorrel]

Aininur is from the Sultanate of Rum and was asked to visit as a favour from her mentor to the old prince as they wanted some magical guidance.

We have Cassia, who is Tremere but also: She's Tremere, so most people don't trust her as far as they can throw her.

[fathom haven]

Wait like

She TREMERE

Like the guy who's name is on the tin

[marble sorrel]

No, no. I mean she's a member of the clan.

[fathom haven]

OH I see I see

Thought we were having a Tzimisce situation

[marble sorrel]

And Piotr's sire, the prince, was Tzimisce. Now, they're not full 'at war' like they are elsewhere in eastern Europe but a Tremere in Tzimisce territory is not looked at favourably, no matter how needed the support is.

So there are...diplomatic issues

[fathom haven]

Oh very fun

Gods I wish I could play with you guys, this sounds so fun

[marble sorrel]

Our last character, Harper is Gangral and she's the worst of the lot.

She's...Mongolian

[fathom haven]

I've never done dark ages

[fathom haven]

As someone who's part Mongolian 😔 damn dawg

No but I get what you mean, this is right after the invasion lol

[marble sorrel]

Hahahah. For context: The Mongolian invasion of Poland ended less than 6 months ago

[fathom haven]

Oh yeah, so HELLA not long ago

[marble sorrel]

Which is also sorta why the Tremere and Tzimisce are not Actively At War in this region.

They sorta didn't have the freedom for Internal Vampire Wars

In the middle of the Actual War

[fathom haven]

Which is extremely fair

[marble sorrel]

Yeah. Dark ages being dark ages there's also a lot more regional identity than clan identity

Like clans matter

But it's harder to decouple from 'the local mortal issues' than it is in modern times

[fathom haven]

I've always wanted to do a Dark Ages Nosferatu

[marble sorrel]

That's fun.

Aininur is very funny for being A) Not Christian B) One of the group members who speaks latin.

Piotr can't read his own holy book but Aininur can.

And she teases him about it

[fathom haven]

LMAO

[marble sorrel]

Cassia is greek and Aininur might have slightly offended her in turn when she found out Aininur spoke greek.

'I learned Greek amid the most learned speakers of that language: Byzantium'

Aininur is moral but she's also kinda A Bit Of An Asshole.

[fathom haven]

As one should be

Hmm, I've got to put thought into a Dark Ages vamp now

I could be a Nictuku as well

Lot of good opportunities for monsterous homies

[marble sorrel]

Then again, she has some ability to be smug because she's got a two int advangage over half the team...and her int is 3. XD

2/4 PCs are int 1

[fathom haven]

It's the Dark Ages! Int is a dump stat!

[marble sorrel]

Harper has some excuse as she got beaten so hard she's got some memory loss (Including her name, hence Harper as her name. A local gave it to her).

Piotr's just kinda dumb.

[fathom haven]

Dang

[marble sorrel]

the big wildcard right now is the Knights Templar. They're very much not going to be our friends but they also are not exactly fans of the Baalie/BSD.

The big concern with them right now is that one of them has met Aininur and has decided she's evil. Not that he knows she's a vampire. She's just a non-Christian from the middle east in the middle of dark ages poland.

He's just a bigoted asshole.

[fathom haven]

Good old Xenophobia

[marble sorrel]

But yeah, we're trying to keep them out of this as much as possible as we really don't want to tangle with Mages.

And more importantly: We don't really want to tangle with guys that have a lot of armoured soldiers who can go and burn our houses down during the day.

[fathom haven]

Yeeeeaaaaaah

[clear delta]

Ugh I really wanna play forsaken someday

[hardy fjord]

I know its a pretty random question, but would Soft and Wet Go Beyonds nonexistent bubbles be able to bypass Caines immortality?

[mighty zephyr]

Well Caine doesn't have like

"You can't kill me" immortality

He's immortal like a vampire is

With the addition of the Sevenfold Curse if you believe that tidbit

[marble sorrel]

Caine is 'whatever Caine needs to be for the story', honestly.

Can X affect Caine? Dunno, he's Pure Plot Device, not a statted character with defined limits.

If you're running a Hunter game, Caine can likely get beaten by half a dozen plucky humans with stakes and guts.

If you're running a mage game, Caine can likely shove an archmage in a locker.

[hardy fjord]

I was thinking that i could sorta combine the two and make the players and some of the enemies have stands.

Though im not sure how i could implement stand abilities in a wod game

[mighty zephyr]

Well there's an entire Chronicles Fan Splat for making Stand Users

so "Play Chronicles" is my suggestion

[hardy fjord]

Ok, thanks!

[mighty zephyr]

https://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/main-forum/the-new-world-of-darkness/1071380-chosen-of-the-ripple-a-jojo-s-bizarre-adventure-game-for-chronicles-of-darkness

[rapid glacier]

Oh I bet that’s for high potential to be cursed as hell

[grave gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/jojos-bizarre-adventure-oh-my-god-omg-gif-10076058

[mighty zephyr]

I made a guy with this once

his stand was Smooth Criminal, which let him swap the positions of two things

[grave gulch]

could you swap any 2 things?

like even things attached to something?

like, hey your car wheel is now replaced by a wooden log

[mighty zephyr]

I decided that to make it fair, you had to replace whole objects

[vast blaze]

...I kinda wanna play that now

Maybe try to port it to 20th edition

[mighty zephyr]

It definitely would not work porting it over

[vast blaze]

Mmm, true

[strong bronze]

i had an idea for how to start my hunter game but

i dont know if it would be too intense for a first session or too action movie-y

[strong bronze]

define object

in a rainy day,could you use raindrops

[mighty zephyr]

Ya

[strong bronze]

goddamn thats busted

[mighty zephyr]

Well the only problem with that is being able to focus on a single raindrop

[vast blaze]

Generally speaking, action movie shenanigans go poorly for Hunters

[strong bronze]

they are mostly new to hunting. dont really know what theyre getting into,or know eachother.

They are on a little restaurant in the middle of the night by coincidence.

After a few minutes of just general faffing around,a car pulls up and a few ghouls walk out and start airing out the place,sent to kill a vampire that has been mingling around the restaurant and shooting up the place to try and hide it.

If they succeed in stopping then,the vamp may recruit then and try to manipulate the group into helping then fight back against the one who sent the hit on them. Or something.

Idk.

[vast blaze]

Hmm

It might work then

[vast blaze]

Question

What do Anarch Warlords do, exactly

[worthy sundial]

theyre like primogens apparently

ah basically just supervises like anarch defense forces in essence

[strong bronze]

Pretty apt name

[vast blaze]

So generals?

Sensible

According to the Anarch server I'm in they're also second-in-commands of sorts

[high current]

oh, white wolf

[strong bronze]

granted,the lawyer has yet to pick out his freebies but

[fathom haven]

Y'all need a Nosferatu

[strong bronze]

unfortunately they would probably stake and study them if they got the chance

hunters and nosfies dont have the best relation

[fathom haven]

OOH RIGHT

I forgot these were hunters

Which would explain why they probably don't use computers

[craggy coyote]

Honestly I feel like they can, but only in one context:
INternet freaks who don't know who the toher is.

They'd get along in like... a hacker's forum/4 chan thing insulting everyone else about how shit their security systems are, and so long as they never meet it's fine

[fathom haven]

One of my favorite uses of the internet and Nosferatu

This freaky guy I met in a chatroom is giving me hints on where to find vampires

Hunter gets to hoont, and the Nos takes care of rivals and such

[strong bronze]

...would wearing silver rings on your fingers as a makeshift knuckle duster work against werewolves

granted you would instantly be ripped in half but

[nimble gale]

jewelry silver generally isn't silver enough, too diluted

but if it's a pur eenough silver then yes

[marble sorrel]

My vampire used silver jewerly to hurt a woof but it was also very clearly True Faith carrying, as the jewellery melted in her hands when she had her hand in the werewolf's mouth.

It also wasn't Modern Silvery Jewellery.

Modern Silver Jewellery sold as 'Alpaca silver, German silver, Tibetan or Tribal Silver' is not actually silver the metal

It's a nickel-based alloy that just looks silver

Silver Filled is also only 5-10% silver

With it around a brass core

If you wanted 'pure enough silver for a werewolf to give a shit', you're likely looking at Coin Silver, Argentium Silver or Sterling .925 Silver.

As those are all 90%+ silver

[strong bronze]

how would you rule that then

[nimble gale]

per W20 core, page 259

so apologies, jewlery silver can work if it's on the purer end for it

[mighty zephyr]

Yes but at the same token that's such a poor weapon that the werewolf will probably just kill you in breed form.

[strong bronze]

what,like

the normal wolf?

[mighty zephyr]

Yeah or a normal guy

[nimble gale]

'a normal wolf' is still quite capable of taking a normal human down. Wolves ar ebig scary bastards.

and a normal guy probably has a gun.

[marble sorrel]

or at the least a lot of hand to hand experiance.

You don't tend to be a werewolf long without brawl dots

[strong bronze]

also,that made me think

if a wolf was in war form,he doesnt have his gear when they turn back right

[mighty zephyr]

Depends

[nimble gale]

that's part of the Rite of Pants

I forget the actual name of it ,hold one

Rite of Talisman Dedication

[strong bronze]

oooh

is it a one time thing or

[nimble gale]

each werewolf lis limited to maximum talismans by their Gnosis score

it's page 211 in W20 core. I'm sure there's an equivalent in W5.

[mighty zephyr]

Rite of Dedication yeah

[nimble gale]

where it's probably limited by rage, I'd imagine? I don't have the book to check right now

[mighty zephyr]

Generally it's "whatever you can easily carry on your person"

[strong bronze]

so you carry a talisman taht just

lets your clothes and belongings schlorp into your body when you shift

thats cool

[mighty zephyr]

No you do a ritual that lets you keep your pants

and part of that is you can keep a bunch of talismans on you that also change as you do, so you can use them in your supernatural forms

[vast blaze]

Watched some Equilibrium clips a friend sent me

Kinda wanna make a gun kata Technocrat now

[strong bronze]

my view of vamps and garou with hunters is

garou are generally more agreeable people than vamps because their existence isnt built on murdering people (thats just something they do for fun sometimes),but they are also a lot less likely help hunters since they are a lot more communal than vampires. if you hunt a vampire,you can probably still cooperate with any vampires that arent directly linked with them if your interests align since vampiric society is very backstabby as is,but garou due to being a closer knit society and basing a lot of their identity in that society are not going to be as ready to buddy up with someone that killed one of them

i could be wrong but thats the vibe i get

[craggy coyote]

Its entirely dependent on the garou, the hunter, and just as importantly the hunter's quarry

But I'd say its inverse

Vampires need the masquerade to survive, and long term any relationship with hunters tends to end in one party killing the other unless the vampire is very determined to be humane.

Garou may not like humans, but that communal society also means they can build a measure of actual respect with hunters, especially if the two are hunting other things lurking in the night

The biggest bar to Garou/Hunter cooperation is usually more of a matter of "you killed my buddies in a berserker rage", while Vampires may kill your buddies in a berserker rage, kill you because they're too hungry, and are more likely to manipulate you into meeting them to begin with

[vast blaze]

Hunter: The Parenting talk

The more I think about it the more I feel Big D is actually just a Solar Exalt

Man healed up a garou scratch in... what, half an hourish?

Had a traumatic brain injury that left him unable to string together a coherent sentence from Pyotr and suddenly he's... well, not fine but certainly not as brain damaged as one would think

Got shanked in the neck and subsequently bit and there's not even a scar

[strong bronze]

I heard people say mummy but I dunno much about those

[patent stirrup]

There is a dedicated channel for that I think

Wamly the Crab God ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161696306100715550 message) The more I think about it the more I feel Big D is actually just a Solar Exalt

Just to keep spoilers cordoned off

[high current]

#1216227286177808584

[limpid shoal]

Looking at some jobs and uhhhhhh

[fathom haven]

No fucking way

Idk if you wanna do that job my friend

[nimble gale]

yep,. There's also a Pentex Energy in texas.

[fathom haven]

https://tenor.com/view/phineas-and-ferb-i-know-what-were-gonna-do-today-i-know-what-were-going-to-do-today-gif-27359053

[untold elm]

[patent stirrup]

Big subpeona

[strong bronze]

A quick question

What is stopping any mage from going A HUNDRED THOUSAND FUCKING KILOTON NUKE and destroying the entirety of north america,presented they are fully willing to die from the paradox

[mighty zephyr]

The fact it would take forever, alert anyone with any real capability to detect magic, and would instantly result in their murder by any number of agents both mage and not mage

[strong bronze]

fair enough

[patent stirrup]

WoD equivalent of killdozer

lukelblitz ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161696306100715550 message) A quick question

What is stopping any mage from going A HUNDRED THOUSAND FUCKING KILOTON NUKE …

[clear delta]

Also, for any dumb but possible big act, you can expect to have people see it in the future and kill you first

[mighty zephyr]

Its true but also not true

[clear delta]

If you want to blow up your neighborhood, you'll probably get stopped

[clear delta]

Hm?

[grave gulch]

not to mention how even opposing factions would be interested in taking care of such a problem

[compact dune]

that

s just a 100mt nuke

barely a city-cracker

[craggy coyote]

also most mages contrary to memes do not have the power to summon a nuke like that

it takes a lot of time effort and energy and talent to be a mage capable of making a bomb like that without being found out

[viscid stratus]

Actually most mages just have skill issues. Thankfully I'm built different
-# hubris? Never heard of her

[high current]

there's also the issue of paradox, depending on if we're talking old or new mage and what edition

i mean, paradox is an issue regardless, but what kind of issue it is depends on version/edition

iirc technically in nMage actually making a nuke requires Forces 6, as in archmastery, because a nuke isn't just a bit explosion, but a big explosion that then seeds radiation, which makes it either multiple Forces 5 spells or a Forces 6 spell since it's changing itself after the initial cast

[compact dune]

wouldn't it be easier to magically steal and then set off a regular nuke

[high current]

and if you're nMage 2e, Paradox may fully just say 'oh, you wanted a nuke? lol, lmao, get fukt loser' and undo your Advanced Scale

yeah probably

[vast blaze]

Aye, you'd need a LOT of wizards for something like that

...which does remind me of this really fucking hard gif

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-wizard-money-gang-drop-gif-10328830494264232756

[hybrid dock]

the shadow wizard money gang are certainly not novices

[vast blaze]

Archmages for sure

[hybrid dock]

certainly

[viscid stratus]

Many mages do however have the ability to transform a pile of batteries and a bottle of party helium into Lithium-6 deuteride (Matter 4), and the ability to bombard the pile they have made with X-rays (Forces 4) :v

-# assuming they have a paragidm that believes in sleeper science

[marble sorrel]

I mean, I'm not sure 'two spheres at 4' is 'many'. XD

[spice abyss]

Vastly overestimating how many mages have that, yeah.

Now making a proper bomb is nice and simple for a mage, and that's enough to get the job done most of the time.

[viscid stratus]

I mean, for that matter stealing them is much, much easier and often less vulgar

[clear delta]

Werewolf the forsaken plot

Pig host farm

Or plague spirits

[strong bronze]

....why did you put "i should make the SWMG a thing in my games" on my brain

[nimble gale]

in omage they're just a branch of edgy hermetics

... or westernized taftani maybe?

[vast blaze]

That or Orphans

Or some random tradition unaffiliated with the main 9

[craggy coyote]

Yeah contrary to playby post wod games, in Lore Disciplines and Sphere ratings of 4+ are as of V5 "insanely powerful, above what a trained expert does" and rating 5 is "Fear"

[vast blaze]

Saw an advertisement for a V20 server set in Night City

Seems interesting and I'll probably pop in to see what the hubub is about but it feels

A bit wasted, somehow

Like, for it to be just vampires

[nimble gale]

There's precedent, I believe vtm 2e had a crossover sourcebook with CP2020

World of Future Darkness

[vast blaze]

Aye, aye

Probably using modified World of Future Darkness rules

[vast blaze]

Like, Technocrats alone would have SO much insane shit, wizards would go crazy hard, Glasswalkers would have so many fun toys to play with, Changelings would have such an interesting struggle to stay alive in such a grim environment, Mummies would... idk, do something cool

[marble sorrel]

Yeah, the thing with Changelings is that for all the high tech and cool stuff god CP2020 is such a Banal society, in Changeling terms.

It has actively ground all the whimsy and joy out of the world

[mighty zephyr]

Technocrats are so redundant in Cyberpunk lol

They're just Corpos

They don't really have anything the Corpos don't already

[marble sorrel]

On the plus side: Changelings would mesh very naturally with 'rock star' being a default CP2020 profession.

Also: Johnny Silverhand is literally a fey reference.

[nimble gale]

Nuada!

[mighty zephyr]

I also think every Garou tribe but Glasswalkers is more interesting in a post-apocalyptic setting

[marble sorrel]

Yep! Iki being Iki I keep being tempted to do a Sidhe who has a Chimerical Cybernetic.

In real life it looks like a modern plastic replacement but it's silver sidhecraft in chimerical reality

[nimble gale]

Hell yeah

[vast blaze]

...would Gargoyles have an easier time in Cyberpunk?

Just pass themselves off as Exotics

[mighty zephyr]

I mean I don't think you really gotta keep the Masquerade up in Cyberpunk regardless

I don't think humanity at that level cares about vampires

An Antediluvian shows up and V hits the Sandevestan

[vast blaze]

True

...though if anything that makes it even more imperative

"Do NOT let the humans find out about us or we WILL get slimed tf out by some dickhead with more chrome than flesh"

...oh god can you imagine what the Second Inquisition would be equipped with

[mighty zephyr]

Militech weaponry yea

[nimble gale]

I will admit though seeing Ilyes and Adam Smasher get into a fistfight would be hilarious

[vast blaze]

Not even Militech weapons, imagine their chrome

Shit's gotta be Adam Smasher-tier

[mighty zephyr]

Well not really, Smasher is the richest dudes in the world building a genetic freak into a super kill machine

As far as we know, Militech can bust out dragoon fullbodies and shit like that but no one's quite on Smasher's tier

That's sorta the funny thing of the Crossover

Cyberpunk doesn't really have big hidden mysterious forces at play

Arasaka and Militech and Night City will send their biggest strongest dudes to shoot a guy on a livestream because fuck that gonk

[marble sorrel]

The average SI guy is...variable.

Like, fi you want to take on vatican SI guys? Then you're in for some power.

But a lot of places the SI is just some local FBI guys lying on their timesheets and pretending they're hunting terrorists

Because they'll get put on mental health leave if they say 'vampire'

[vast blaze]

Somewhat scary thought: Gargoyle with four dots of Vicissitude and therefore access to a Zulo Form

+3 to all physical stats, plus a growth spurt, and on top of that you can fly and ultratank thanks to Visceratika, and if shit hits the fan, you just dive into the ground and swim away

Good lord

[clear delta]

Hunter in darkness werewolf who writes into a book everything she considers transgressions by people near or in her sacred places, and hunts down to punish them

[grave gulch]

do all those implants also make Smasher a slave? like do the suits have like a kill switch in case he goes rogue or simply doesnt do what he's told?

i know this aint cyberpunk chat .w. i promise i'll only ask that

[marble sorrel]

He's got a dragoon body, which tend to limit thoughts in ways that make disobediance something they literally don't think about.

I'm not sure they've got an actual kill switch but they do have hooks in him.

The biggest being 'if you go rogue, you die. Nobody else can maintain a body that cybered up long term'

He's also got a corp netrunner inside his head at all times to keep enemy hackers out.

But you know: That means he's got a guy who's job is 'frying cyborg brains' in his head at all times

[grave gulch]

cool

thanks Ikiryo

[nimble gale]

He's also kept around with basically full access to everything he wants in life. It's a lot of carrot as well as a very big stick.

[strong bronze]

V5 got a Japanese release

And they get a special cover art

"Sometimes I imagine how much easier it would be to maintain the masquerade if we didn't glow bright red"

[clear delta]

Reminds me of Double Cross rpg

[limpid shoal]

That cover art is sick as hell

[fair tapir]

the back cover is fun, too

[high current]

https://bsky.app/profile/lorebynightvtm.bsky.social/post/3mjq4bt44zk2i

Lore By Night (@lorebynightvtm.bsky.social)

There's been a bit of buzz today about a Japanese version of V5, just because the new back & front covers slap hard. Unfortunately, everything else inside is completely the same to western releases.

How do I know? Well I just bought it for £25. The things I do for the VtM communities lmfaooooo

Bluesky · Apr 17, 2026, 11:46 PM

[mighty zephyr]

I would be really surprised if they did the entire book differently???

Who expected that at all

[high current]

i think people were hoping for different interior art

rather than an entirely different book

[mighty zephyr]

Yeah that's what I meant

who would expect that, that's insane

[high current]

weebs, apparently

[velvet sparrow]

oh waow

gender

[grave gulch]

BALD

You keep the looks of the age you were embraced at right?

does that make you weaker in any way if you're lets say embraced at old age?

or do you just look old with all the benefits of being a vampire?

[mighty zephyr]

You might begin physically frail but thats not a hard constant through your unlife

[hybrid dock]

Yeah

Vampires are supernatural. They don’t actually have blood flow. Their muscles shouldn’t work. Most of their organs are just tubes of meat without purpose.

And yet they move

You’re a corpse being animated by glorious vitae

Course, a character who is an old man might not have that many dots in strength or stamina

But nothing says old looking vampires are more frail.

[clear delta]

You probably can find a way to permanently change your form, besides a tzimisce

[craggy coyote]

... fallout wod would be a good fit

the power of nukes destroying the planet and creating wonders science can't explain means the hermetics have a lot more ground but also god dang nuclear fire has a way of ingraining the power of science in survivors

[clear delta]

Augh, I wish vtm had body fuckery be accessible to everyone like the ordo dracul in vtr

[craggy coyote]

yeah tzimsice aren't exactly trust worthy

best bet is probably find one in the nephilem because they're still working towards ideals of beauty that don't give HR Geiger a chub

[mighty zephyr]

Well it is in V5

[clear delta]

It is? Great!

[mighty zephyr]

Yeah anyone with Protean/Dominate can learn Viss

[clear delta]

So gangrel, learn dominate

[mighty zephyr]

Or Minister

Or Ventrue learn Protean

Or Tremere or so on and so on

[clear delta]

Hm, body horror tremere

[strong bronze]

i do remember being embraced as a child was like

a 7 dot flaw in v20 or something

[high current]

thats more because people will treat you like a child for eternity than anything else iirc

see: Interview with the Vampire, Claudia

[strong bronze]

wait how is she

wasnt it a thing that vampires couldnt use touchscreens because their bodies dont have a electric current or something

[high current]

you can use blush of life to use it anyways, but also i think a lot of groups just handwave it

[strong bronze]

was wrong

its only 4 dots,but your strenght and stamina cant ever be higher than 2

[grave gulch]

i once used bread and the touch device recognized it as a finger

unless the electric current passed through me to the bread

[mighty zephyr]

It was that

[craggy coyote]

^
it's why teebs still being kind of? Alive don't have issues with touch screens since they're always blushed and thus have natural electric current... and cool electric powers if you want to spec into them

[hybrid dock]

Wait that’s a thing?

Huh

[strong bronze]

theres LOTS of things that being a corpse makes harder

[hybrid dock]

Well that’s one thing that didn’t carry over to requiem

[strong bronze]

lots of them are handwaved but

[hybrid dock]

No I know that they’re corpses I didn’t know that bit wasn’t handwaved

[craggy coyote]

its not much of an issue in v5 because using the blush of life lets you use your phone if it's a touch screen

[hybrid dock]

…wait hold on

[craggy coyote]

or you can just go retro

[hybrid dock]

Okay how do touchscreens work

[craggy coyote]

electric current

[hybrid dock]

Cus I just assumed fingers had the same effect as a stylus

Disrupting electric current

Do you need to be alive for your skin to disrupt that

[mighty zephyr]

Yes

[hybrid dock]

Huh

That’s wild

[mighty zephyr]

Styluses carry your current with it

[strong bronze]

i tried to use my drawing tablet's pen to use my phone a bit

with no result

[hybrid dock]

Fascinating

[craggy coyote]

practically speaking the main issue is that using the blush increase your rate of hunger and thus how often you need to hunt which risks something going wrong

[strong bronze]

well there are technically two kinds of touchscreens but

for modern touchscreens its mostly capacitive

[craggy coyote]

it's one of the smaller but many reasons higher humanity helps blend in;

less cost to use the blush = less issue being seen using phones or eating food

[hybrid dock]

I’m genuinely curious about this now, and the science behind it.

Why does being dead remove your ability to carry or disrupt current? Is it neurons or is it some other component of biology

This is a genuine question

[strong bronze]

its your own electic current disrupting it

the one moving your muscles and firing your nerves

[hybrid dock]

Yes but where is the current/why does being dead remove it

Okay so is it the current generated by your nerves then?

[craggy coyote]

it's generated by your heart and nervous system

[hybrid dock]

Huh

[craggy coyote]

and because a vampires heart doesn't beat and the skin doesn't carry warmth because its dead ...

[hybrid dock]

I started also looking stuff up about this (probably worrying) but skin capacitance is also generated by moisture and electrolytes in the skin…

Genuinely I’m trying to get to the bottom of this one

[craggy coyote]

you also aren't producing those much either

[hybrid dock]

That’s true!

Though you aren’t losing them much either

[strong bronze]

All cells have electro chemical gradients. All excitable cells use electricity as a mechanism for their function.

muscles use electric currents to move. neurons use electric currents to make synapses. so on and so forth

[hybrid dock]

Mhm mhm

[strong bronze]

as a vampire you

arent doing any of that

you are a corpse animated by magic,all your bodily functions are zero

[hybrid dock]

Yes

Don’t worry I’m aware of the corpse bit animated by magic and supernatural forces

[craggy coyote]

then yeah you get the logic

[hybrid dock]

Trying to gauge what works and what doesn’t especially since I’m a requiem reader and this wasn’t in there, so it’s new knowledge for me

[clear delta]

Electric vampire bloodline

[hybrid dock]

Interestingly enough, further research does indicate some things work more than others

[craggy coyote]

vampires stop doing things a body does. lower humanity ones and older ones are even described as being like statues because they don't breathe, blink, or move unless it's a conscious decision so removed are they from human habits

[hybrid dock]

Cus some stuff seems to solely rely on capacitance which, while vampire bodies don’t do many biological functions, they evidently do retain moisture

And at the very least the consumption of blood is new liquids

This isn’t phone screens this is like

Elevator buttons n stuff

[craggy coyote]

yeah but the blood is then converted into vitae

which being magic follows its own rules

[hybrid dock]

Which

Yeah

But

[craggy coyote]

and one of many reasons vampires don't give blood transfusions

[hybrid dock]

They don’t look mummified

[clear delta]

Hm, lightning feels like a weird power for vampires

[hybrid dock]

I mean yeah

It’s vitae

[craggy coyote]

yeah they're cursed

[hybrid dock]

Yes

[strong bronze]

but you do look pale and unhealthy forever

[craggy coyote]

it's important to remember they're all magic and the magic is designed to make life harder

[hybrid dock]

Yea

Well aware

But this does mean they can at least use elevator buttons

Or similar things that solely rely on capacitance

If only because supernatural curse doesn’t make them dry out like beef jerky

[hybrid dock]

Well yeah but I’m trying to get to the bottom of things from the like…what are they missing and what is staying as a corpse

[strong bronze]

unless i am wrong elevator buttons use ressistive touchscreens,right?

[hybrid dock]

I dunno I’m looking shit up and from what I’ve read

Many of them are just capacitance

I mean some are different

Like okay yeah no electric charge means no touchscreen phone unless you’re doing something weird

Or the phone is doing something odd

But other stuff, like certain buttons, probably would work.

No electric charge or biological functions but not really losing water or drying out

Odd mix of things

I wonder how you get through the phone thing…

[strong bronze]

blush

[hybrid dock]

Yeah that looks like it

I went on a lil journey looking at how prosthetic limbs use phones

And yeah mostly just hooks into body electrical charge

Well that was a fun journey

[strong bronze]

honestly the nosfies can probably also come up with

touch screen gloves of some sort

they are crafty

[hybrid dock]

Those would have to have their own electric charge which…

[marble sorrel]

I think it also falls under 'eh, don't worry about it, not letting pcs use computers doesn't make for a more fun game'

[hybrid dock]

…actually probably doable

[hybrid dock]

They can use laptops!!!

[craggy coyote]

it's mentioned in setting styluses help. plus computers with keyboards need force not electricity

[marble sorrel]

Magic vampires can keep some odd functions due to magic etc

[craggy coyote]

so... yeah about the same conclusions you came to

[mighty zephyr]

The Chad unplugged lasombra

I also think that restricting your PCs access to phones does in fact make for a more fun game

[clear delta]

Tzimisce with ghouled fingertips installed

[mighty zephyr]

That still just costs vitae

[marble sorrel]

Just have one of the lightning sorcery paths. I command electricy! uses smartphone

[mighty zephyr]

Thats TBA only

[marble sorrel]

I thought v5 still had kolunic

[mighty zephyr]

Yeah but it cant do electricity, it can only do the classical elements

[marble sorrel]

...I need to double check as I swore air did electricity.

[mighty zephyr]

You can strike people with lightning bolts from the sky

'Sabout it

[marble sorrel]

I mean if someone can do that i don't think it's unreasonable to be able to use a phone. That's a much lesser use of lightning and it's spiritualism, it doesn't have in-universe 5 levels.

[craggy coyote]

Or just.... blush of life

using the power will still probably be a rouse check

[strong bronze]

I know that it would effectively be useless but

Has there been recorded instances of someone embracing a person only to diablerize then

[craggy coyote]

Actually yes

Thirst of ages is a pain

and embracing a childer to feed off them can avoid hunting vampires you can't control

and well if you want to avoid blood bonds...

[high current]

yeah that's a common practice for elders afaik

[craggy coyote]

Helena in V20 was diablerizing people by the boatload to avoid being beckoned or something akin to that in an end times scenario (source: needed)

and most of them were younger

[high current]

or at least, i remember VtR2e makes it a thing that higher blood potency means mortals dont give as much blood so a lot of elders will embrace people and then immediately diablerize them

[craggy coyote]

Yep

[mighty zephyr]

The withering

[craggy coyote]

Ah that's the one

🤜 my man

[mighty zephyr]

The source of "baby on a stick"

[strong bronze]

Huh

I was thinking more on "I hate this person so much I am literally going to give a piece of myself to them so I can eat their soul",I didn't think there was a practical use

[craggy coyote]

I mean that may still happen ebcause spite embraces exist

[mighty zephyr]

I mean yeah that could totally happen and probably has

[craggy coyote]

its why Cleopatra Nosferatu are an entire subculture in the clan

[mighty zephyr]

Average nosferatu sire tbh

Jinx

[craggy coyote]

at least some of those childer were diablerized

but yeah, Vampires are petty, and hold grudges

[high current]

to quote an NPC in Blood Lords, a PF2e adventure, "What's the point of immortality if you can't hold a grudge for a couple hundred years?"

i dont know if that's actually something in the book or something my GM made up when we were talking to the dude but it got a laugh out of us and we quoted it last session when we were talking about what to do with the person he had a grudge against

[vast blaze]

Possibly a stupid question

Was there ever a Battletech x WoD crossover thingy or am I delusional

Swear on my mother I remember something about it but I can't tell if that's my stupid ass making shit up or if it was actually a thing

[marble sorrel]

That was Battlerun

Battletech and Shadowrun

[vast blaze]

Ah, yep

Thanks Ikiryo

[nimble gale]

Free St I--Taiwan!

and I think a couple of other books

[steel agate]

No Vampire X Battletech game, but there was a V:tm/Cyberpunk 2020 crossover

in White Wolf Magazine #36-38, of all places

[orchid void]

Also basically innn Edge of Night

This nice 3rd party 2020 book

[vast blaze]

Speaking of Cyberpunk

How would you lot build a Device that's just a Sandevistan

Grants you extra actions in combat a la Celerity and generally lets you be something of a speed demon

[mighty zephyr]

Time 3 effect

[vast blaze]

Ah-

Yeah, that should've been obvious

Guess it'd be about 6ish points for it

[strong bronze]

a question

if you are a mage and you are with a sleeper that knows a bit about magic

can you just go "please turn away i want to do magic shit and you staring may make a vein pop on my brain" work or is their presence itself a problem

[mighty zephyr]

Generally fine but unclear

[high current]

depends on old v new mage and what edition technically i think

oMage if they know about magic they may qualify as a sleepwalker and thus it's just whatever; otherwise it depends on the spell and how much/if they're aware something Magical is happening
nMage 1e i think operates on the same rules basically? cause 1e hadnt figured out what they wanted to do with Paradox really
nMage 2e them witnessing it at all as a sleeper is going to amplify Paradox a bit

(basically, what Voy said; the books dont focus much on stuff that specific, but perception is the key so it's kinda up to your ST)

[strong bronze]

v20 but i will try to keep the mage barkeep on the downlow then

[high current]

i mean if you're playing V20 you can take or leave the concept of paradox entirely, whatever works best for your game

they may not even be a capital-M Mage, but just a Sorcerer(mortal with hedge magic/psychic powers/etc)

(also Vampires 100% count as sleepwalkers for Mage shit anyways)

[strong bronze]

the joke with her is that she works on every store the players will come across by using dupli kate powers

[high current]

see also, uhh the Black Hand book i think for the rules on the Itarajana, a sect of mages from the dark ages that held onto the Foundation/Pillar paradigm instead of swapping to Arete/Spheres

[daring hazel]

Just thinking about. Vampire culture suddenly

[strong bronze]

what does humanity do for a human

[mighty zephyr]

Nothing

Other than using it for certain rolls

[clear delta]

Remove human from human
Do you get nothing or a lambda-human?

[mighty zephyr]

Depends on what human you're removing from a human

[craggy coyote]

not much but if it's tracked and you're turned into a ghoul or vampire it may mean you're more susceptible to frenzy than a regular fledgling.

it's enough of an issue where a fad in the v20 lasombra clan book is embracing serial killers in times of war only for the killers to turn into wights really fast. while not explicitly stated I think it's easy an inference that

"low starting hum + already killing + killing because vampire" is an easy way to rack up stains and go feral fast

[marble sorrel]

Yeah. One of the vampires in my current game is low humanity not because he's some malevolent supernatural monster but becasue before he was embraced he was a soldier who'd gotten very blasé about the concept of 'just kill them all'

[strong bronze]

So no "you somehow hit 0 humanity as a hunter,give me your sheet"

Ok

[velvet sparrow]

Hitting 0 humanity is a problem for vampires cause the Beast takes over, humans don't have a Beast that can take over

[mighty zephyr]

In Chronicles it also lets you get possessed easier

[marble sorrel]

There's also a few effects that Care About Humanity in various editions, generally by fucking over people with low humanity harder.

But they're rare

[craggy coyote]

Yeah, also most humans evne war criminals are probably capping out at 4, 3 or lower takes extreme effort

[strong bronze]

What normal animal you figure could give a garou in Crinos a run for it's money if the garou didn't use gifts

[fathom haven]

We talking just one animal? Or like a group?

[strong bronze]

Individual

[fathom haven]

Hmmm

[high current]

a grizzly bear could probably go toe-to-toe

[fathom haven]

If it's just one Crinos Garou, a grizzly could give em trouble

yessss

Ya know

[high current]

assuming W20 since we dont have many animal stats in 5e afaik

[fathom haven]

A hippo

[high current]

also a bison

[fathom haven]

I think a hippo could mess up a Garou something fierce

[high current]

im specifically looking for animals with 5+ strength and a +2 lethal attack btw

elephant

[fathom haven]

Grizzly, Elephant, Hippos

Big and pissed and strong

[high current]

"Octopus, Monster (Boat-Eater Size)"
under natural animals
thanks M20 Gods and Monsters

[fathom haven]

LMAO

[high current]

large sharks would also work

[fathom haven]

Very true

Then again a Garou shouldn't be out in the open ocean anyways

[high current]

since when has that stopped one

[fathom haven]

It hasn't, but the Rokea sure have

[high current]

i say, gesturing at oil rigs causing spills and all that

[fathom haven]

I had a Same Bito who wasn't super good at anything except being a hammer in combat....Until we hit the ocean, and I solo'd the Elder Mariner Gangrel causing trouble for my peeps :]

[strong bronze]

If you're gonna put them in the ocean,then they are gonna be fighting the rokea instead

Is only fair

[fathom haven]

Rokea my beloved

[marble sorrel]

Also: Any animal in barding gets a lot tougher vs a garou.

As armour applies vs aggravated damage

[fathom haven]

You know what I love more than Rokea though?

Mokole

Being able to turn into a massive mix matched dinosaur dragon is the shit

[steel agate]

tfw your Caitiff doctor has to spirit the would-be necromancer-turned-demon plague victim out of the city, and decides the best place to take her is his Tzimisce mentor's flesh palace of fun

this same Tzimisce has suggested to the party using the aforementioned plague victim as a conduit to communicate with the plague demon pulling this shit; my Tremere is perhaps less than thrilled at the idea, much as she wants to not have said plague demon eating away at the heart of the city

[pure mauve]

...okay, this was going to be a joke answer but now it has be actually wondering: do Garou have any sort of resistance to parasites?

[craggy coyote]

Generally yes, higher stam, gifts to resist disease. Garou are known to age in good health on account og being expected to fight

that said a lot of garou tend to die before a parasite could be a major health concern, on account of the high amounts of violence

[vast blaze]

Plague demon

GODDAMMIT NURGLE

[steel agate]

Metathiax, actually, from what our coterie has managed to dig up

[vast blaze]

Tried concocting a Device for myself, do you lot reckon this is any good or does it need tweaking

Full-Body Conversion

12 points

A rare and costly process, a full-body conversion is the total excising of a human's fleshy body, replacing it for a modified HIT Mark chassis and transforming them into a brain in a jar piloting a robotic body.

• +1 to physical stats
• 4 die of armor
• 2 additional health levels
• No longer required to eat, drink, or breathe; can withstand extremes of temperature up to 75 degrees hotter or colder than normal humans.
• Cannot be affected with Life magick, save for the brain; this encompasses ALL Life magick, harmful or beneficial. Must use Matter at an equivalent level to affect body.
• Cannot be healed with Medicine checks; must be repaired with Craft checks, at a base difficulty of 8 if the individual doing repairs lacks dots in the Hypertech skill.
• Anything more in-depth than visual investigations will reveal the true nature of the body, and possibly alert others that something isn't right.
• If this cybernetic is successfully disabled, cannot move in any fashion; effectively considered Incapacitated until rebooted with a Craft check by someone else, or by a magical effect.

[strong bronze]

i did some research on it,but apparently if you lose all humanity as a human you gain a derangement and go back to 1 humanity

[clear delta]

I'm curious. There are some supernatural methods for dealing with ephemeral beings
How much of a summoner can you make a mortal/minor splat in CofD?

[high current]

Hurt Lucker has a supernatural merit called Invoke Spirit(••) that lets you telepathically call on a rank 1 spirit, at the cost of having the Urged condition

granted that as-written, the spirit is only going to defend you, and thus it's not great for offensive stuff

and a Proximus(Mage half-splat) can learn up to 3-dot Mage spells, which is the bar for summoning with Death/Mind/Spirit

Wolf-Blooded can have a spirit familiar as their Tell(also rank 1, like Invoke Spirit)

i think most mortal/minor splat stuff limits you to rank 1 spirits, outside of Proximi shenanigans

[mighty zephyr]

Theres also occultists in Werewolf the Forsaken who gain Influences from a patron spirit

But also any mortal can technically call on any spirit if they make an area resonant enough with them to call them forth

[strong bronze]

100 humans vs 1 garou

[fathom haven]

Garou, easy

[high current]

depends on if the mortals have silver weaponry or anything like that tbh

[fathom haven]

I think it's just

100 dudes vs a Garou

Which I admit

Would be funny to watch

[vast blaze]

What about 100 Shovelheads vs 1 Garou

[mighty zephyr]

The humans win due to action economy

[velvet sparrow]

100 dudes is a lotta dudes

[vast blaze]

True

[mighty zephyr]

Roll 4d10 100 times and if they get more than 7 successes in total they win

[fathom haven]

I assume these people are just using their fists??

That's just bashing damage aka easily soakable

[spice abyss]

100 people is a lot, and the Garou loses for the exact same reasons as a gorilla

Though the whole moon madness does swing things a bit

[fathom haven]

Ok ok important bit here

What edition

[strong bronze]

Doeant being in a mob of 50 people per garou disable that

[spice abyss]

Depends

Requiem has the Nossie bit on humans give the best advice.

"Sure, you can kill a human easily, maybe even ten. But unless you can kill a thousand in an instant, keep your fucking head down."

[vast blaze]

The Nosferatu who managed to get his hands on nuke codes: "Lol"

[spice abyss]

I cannot think of a faster way to get yourself killed

The line of things that'd show up

Even setting aside the human response

[vast blaze]

True, but it would be funny

[high current]

assuming W20, theoretically if the 100 humans are totally mundane, not using silver weaponry, etc etc
delirium takes out a hefty chunk of them(roughly 30% of them will be capable of putting up a fight, with half of those going into a berserk rage and another quarter being probably split between running and fighting)
the mortals who are capable of fighting will probably be treated as extras, due to being, yknow, a faceless mob; thus the werewolf only has to do 4 damage to kill, and they're likely to retreat after the first couple of deaths
the werewolf can soak the damage with stamina assuming they aren't a metis

and personally rather than roll 30 individual attacks i'd probably just handle the whole mob as one entity, but that's getting into homebrew territory

[fathom haven]

Now if this is just people using their fists, as per the whole gorilla thing, the dudes are STILL fucked because you automatically heal one level of bashing damage each turn, just for free, so any damage that gets through being soaked is just gonna wither away, not to mention, even if they DO get the Garou below the threshold of incapacitated, if the Garou still has rage, it can just keep going

[orchid void]

Imports battlegroup rules from exalted and lets the crinos eat em

[mighty zephyr]

You cant put in retreat as a stipulation because then the Garou would run immediately

Because otherwise they would be violating the litany

[fathom haven]

There's also a lot of factors you have to take in like

What auspice, what tribe, etc

I still think the Garou has got it though, call it glazing or whatever but Garou are built for that shit

[mighty zephyr]

The game is definitely not is my point

100 guys could beat an antediluvian to death with the stats we have

[fathom haven]

I mean

I guess

If we aren't bringing in elements of the game though, what's the point?

[strong bronze]

Lore and memes,mostly

[fathom haven]

100 people can beat the hell out of most things

[strong bronze]

Also I never thought about that

[fathom haven]

Like anything in world of darkness (besides maybe ghosts?) you throw 100 people at is gonna lose if they can't use any sort of abilities/bringing stuff from the game into it

Bc 100 guys are just gonna go "THEY CAN'T STOP ALL OF US" and bum rush them

[mighty zephyr]

Well yeah but thats what the question was

And the more caveats you add the less of an answer it is

[fathom haven]

Then why is it 1 Garou instead of just 1 werewolf, a Garou without the ability to do Garou stuff is just a regular, stock, movie werewolf

[strong bronze]

I dont think it's the ability to do their stuff,it's

Not treating it mechanically

[fathom haven]

If that's the case, then a Garou can use gifts, which means a Garou just wins

[mighty zephyr]

Well because not every Garou uses the same gifts

And then also I just dont think they do, because 100 dicerolls is 100 dicerolls

[fathom haven]

I thought we weren't thinking about this mechanically

[mighty zephyr]

I was speaking purely mechanically

[fathom haven]

See that's where I'm confused

[mighty zephyr]

I am almost home so I can illustrate

[fathom haven]

This made me think that we aren't treating this mechanically, so in my brain, I'm just sending in a Red Talon, and that alone, gifts and all, will take care of 100 people

[mighty zephyr]

Okay so to kill the Werewolf we need to deal 14 bashing damage in total in one turn before it can regenerate, right?

Because they only have 7 health levels, we need to get them lethal incap and then kill them

And to even be generous, we will assume average humans with a brawl dicepool of 1

and a strength of 2

https://i.imgur.com/XWCcJ6d.png

Now we can add willpower on top of that, so every dude is also rolling with an extra success

[fathom haven]

Yeah, but that also means there has to be room for 100 people to attack them at once is the thing as well

But also I see what you mean

Send a Red Talon Ahroun out there he'll be fine

[mighty zephyr]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Mcty_v5Xb_0?si=QVXm18mRQVWAtYgF

The Garou is defeated by a perfectly timed salvo of dropkicks

[fathom haven]

The funniest answer you could have given lmao

[strong bronze]

That is why I asked, yes

Thr meme just popped up in my brain

[mighty zephyr]

This guy is my favorite channel on youtube rn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQOizpRSY2g

[vast blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-doom-foot-dive-marvel-vs-capcom-3-mvc3-gif-9365417687786898125

Footdive reigns supreme even beyond the realms of MvC

[fathom haven]

I still say give me the Red Talon Ahroun, even better, make him a Lodge of the Predator Kings Red Talon, and him and Griffin will sort out 100 guys

[strong bronze]

...A ghoulrilla

[fathom haven]

Oh god

https://tenor.com/view/iss-space-gorilla-meme-caption-gif-26185460

[mighty zephyr]

See that's diminishing returns

Everyone expects the Gorilla to be a physical powerhouse

ghoul a single cockroach and give it Potence/Vigor

that bug is now as strong as a man

[fathom haven]

👀

That's a good point

[heady kestrel]

Consider

The obfuape

[fathom haven]

...

Terrifying

"Did you hear about the gorilla who escaped from the zoo?"
"No"
"I'm a very sneaky gorilla"
the sound of a freshly broken neck

[strong bronze]

What about the celerity ghoulrilla

Who can flashstep

[heady kestrel]

Sadly animal ghouls can only take physical disciplines iirc

So you can’t build your own Ghoulrilla Grodd

[strong bronze]

The funniest thing I have heard in a while

[fathom haven]

How about a scarier primate

Baboons

[heady kestrel]

In eclipse phase, I had a really high resources

and the way resources works in that game meant I could purchase a bunch of items

so I ended up coming up with a plan where I would purchase mass amounts of biologically enhanced baboons with cybernetics installed

[strong bronze]

Is

Is there a reason you did that

[heady kestrel]

I mean

What else was I gonna buy?

Combat drones?

[strong bronze]

Ghoulrillas,duh

[fathom haven]

My Glass Walker made a similar army with Baboons and Chimps

[valid merlin]

it's something to spend the money on

[strong bronze]

An army of cyberbaboons marching against a legion of ghoulrillas

Dear god

[fathom haven]

I miss that Glass Walker, Cyber Dogs camp, Metis Ahroun

Worked as a security in our pack leaders building, ended up going out in a blaze of glory by making sure a "Nature Bomb" built by the local City Farmers went off in the middle of a Pentex factory during the Apocalypse itself

[strong bronze]

....nature bomb?

[fathom haven]

A device filled with many nature spirits that when it went off, instead of a fiery explosion, it reignited the life and vegetation in the area, returning it to it's natural state, which ended up being the push we needed to fight back the Apocalypse to the point of a victory

My character's legacy is his cybernetic skull being used as a story telling device, as in his spirit could tell stories to Garou and humans alike via the skull

[vast blaze]

Why only one though, make a whole swarm off your blood and have em jump a fool

[strong bronze]

every one costs one potency,no?

[fathom haven]

I would find a Gangrel w ape traits way scarier than any other Gangrel

[high current]

1 blood, not potency

having to sacrifice an entire point of blood potency in V5 to make a ghoul would be absolutely wild, considering that would mean that higher gens just straight up cant have one

make yourself a thin-blood by ghouling some rando

[fathom haven]

How is V5 btw?

I'm so used to V20

[high current]

i like it but its definitely not for everyone, especially people who are used to older editions and expect V5 to be The Same Thing But Newer

[fathom haven]

And if it would be easier to get my players into it, I'm all for it

[high current]

instead of a blood pool you have hunger dice, disciplines that would cost blood instead require rouse checks(a single d10 roll, 50/50 chance of success, failure means your hunger goes up by 1)

a lot of disciplines have been merged, and some of the clans have had their Main Things kind of turned optional(Nosferatu aren't an automatic masquerade breach, and they can instead choose to be smelly or something instead of ugly)

the art still mostly shows them as ugly though

[fathom haven]

I did see a clan getting merged as well, that's how we got the Hecata right?

[high current]

instead of a sliding difficulty/TN for rolls, it's always a 50/50 on each die(1-5 fail, 6-10 success; 10 is also a crit, if you get 2 they count as 4 successes, otherwise it's just another success)

Hecata are a combination of the Giovanni and the various bloodlines that got Necromancy or related stuff yeah

[fathom haven]

Samedi, Caps, etc yee yee

Setites are the ministry now?

[mighty zephyr]

I love it personally

[high current]

Hunger dice add a Bestial Failure on a 1, if you roll one of those and don't pass the check then it's essentially a botch(except intended to be flavored by the Beast somehow getting in the way)

[fathom haven]

I should give it a try

[high current]

and yeah Brotherhood of Set is now just The Ministry, the Cult of Set still exists as a thing anybody can join in theory

[fathom haven]

I'd wanna play before I run it though

[mighty zephyr]

It shaves off a lot of the clunkiness and jank of older editions with a focus on Vampire being a big dramatic game where big dramatic things happen

[high current]

Lasombra and Hecata both use Oblivion for what used to be Obfuscate and Necromancy(/Mortis/etc)

[steel agate]

yeah, I've been enjoying my V5 game immensely so far

[fathom haven]

Oh yeah, I forget, it's V5 for Night Road

[high current]

Vicissitude is now just a Protean 2 power that requires you to have Dominate 2 first(or Presence 2 if you're a Toreador and part of Baron Vollgirre's bloodline)

also all disciplines officially cap out at 5 dots, there's some stuff in the book Gehenna War for having methuselas/elders have weird extra powers beyond what's available to players but they're specifically not given dot ratings

[mighty zephyr]

Likewise a lot of old 6+ powers were bumped down to 4-5s

so now neonates and ancillae can be significantly scarier

[high current]

also, Thin-Bloods are a thing now

they get access to a unique discipline nobody else can use, Thin-Blood Alchemy, that lets them do all sorts of funky stuff

theoretically if a Thin-Blood makes something in a way they can bottle it, a full-blood Kindred could use it, but it comes with Issues™

also some TBs can walk in the sun, some don't have fangs, some gain temporary access to 1-dot discipline powers depending on who they've most recently fed on, etc etc there's a lot of variation with them

[fathom haven]

I feel like Phyre in bloodlines 2 getting brought up to speed

I'm just so used to older editions

[high current]

Phyre is weird

oh right did anybody post the trailer for the Benny DLC?

[fathom haven]

I haven't seen anything for it yet

[high current]

https://youtu.be/tAN6R0GEJyM

came out earlier today, DLC releases in like 4 days

[steel agate]

My Tremere went on a pseudo-date with her Primogen last session to what was essentially two Thin-Bloods trying to show each other up with progressively more elaborate displays of Alchemy. It ended with one of the Thin-Bloods trapped in a wall for all eternity.

[high current]

Benny plays more like a standard kindred instead of having telekinesis and flight and all that