World of Darkness

[marble sorrel]

But not the free-form power of a Mage.

[vast blaze]

Which I assume is more akin to Tremere Thaumaturgy than True Magick

[marble sorrel]

It's a bit weaker than Thaumaturgy (Willpower was generally a much more difficult resource to recover quickly than Blood), though if you're playing V5 it's likely a lot broader.

[craggy coyote]

If you invest in it? Extremely

[gleaming wave]

wiki says v20 has blush of life

me lookie and no see

is it in one of the source books or am I just being gaslit

[nimble gale]

page 269, v20 core

it's not expicilty called blush of life but it's there

[craggy coyote]

A thinblood with only 1 formula per level could be someone who can create smoke bombs around themselves, track the highest BP kindred in an area, give themsleves a one time 'i don't care what the damage type was I take -5 damage" potion, shoot lightning out of their hands, and break any blood bond they find out about in v5

They can get mighty dangerous

https://vtm.paradoxwikis.com/Thin-blood_Alchemy

[gleaming wave]

yep

[vast blaze]

There any Banu Haqim loresheets?

[craggy coyote]

Yes. https://vtm.paradoxwikis.com/Loresheets
Al Ashrad, and Teygirius for blood line related, Occult artifacts is Tremere/Banu only and about acquiring magic items

[vast blaze]

Ohoho

[marble sorrel]

Al Ashrad is great. It contention for the single scariest kindred alive and actually engaged in vampire society these days.

But also a pretty cool dude who's taught a lot of people about Demon Hunting.

Also one of the only kindred that scares Tremere himself as Al Ashrad is A) A lot older B) Was a much more powerful mage than Tremere was before both became vampires.

[vast blaze]

There any chance I could snag a magical sword with Occult Artifacts?

Or am I limited to the ones listed in the sheet?

[nimble gale]

that's a 'talk to your GM' question

[marble sorrel]

Magic Swords don't exactly lack for history in the Banu Haqim.

Their Sorcerer Quietus was all about blessing swords to make them stab demons better

[gleaming wave]

I miss my descendant of tyler v5 character

[frank atlas]

Hey who's the weirdest real person you have declared to really be a WoD splat

[marble sorrel]

Wraith is kinda a cheat there because 'this guy died' is generally historical fact 😛

[frank atlas]

Yeah there's an entire academic society that talks to dead authors and offers them publishing opps

[nimble gale]

I mean

wraith is hceating, but canonically jimi hendrix is a wraith so

Louis Pasteur is another canon one (though he was a vampire)

[gleaming wave]

I have made the single most sociable tremere in existence

[dense vault]

Louis Pasteur found out how to cure vampirism.

[nimble gale]

as far as in games I've played or run in...

Bill Nye as an etherite?

[rapid glacier]

Dolly Parton is a human ally to the Garou in my games, does that count?

[gleaming wave]

The first tremere who isn't an insufferable shutin in 6 generations

Also realised that vtm romance is so damn good

Learned it from my V:tR table that those kinds of relationships are super rewarding to explore

My vtr game was also REALLY freaky but that was besides the point

[dense vault]

Hey, I resent that, myTremere is a college student with a very active social life thank you very much.

[nimble gale]

the tremere in my dark ages game managed to poor little meow meow herslef into getting adopted by a gangrel

[frank atlas]

No notes

[gleaming wave]

Tremere thaumaturgy is

Kind of completely busted huh

[marble sorrel]

Which edition?

[mighty zephyr]

I presume 20th

Since Atw was reading it previouslyy

[marble sorrel]

Thaumaturgy is pretty damn powerful in V20, yeah. I'd not put it in like 'top 5 disciplines' powerful but it's very good.

Auspex, Celerity etc are still some of the top dogs of disciplines but Thaumaturgy has wild card power in that a given thaumature can do Some Weird Shit you were not expecting.

[mighty zephyr]

Thaumaturgy is sorta the best discipline since it is in fact a single discipline that is over 30 other disciplines

[craggy coyote]

^

[mighty zephyr]

Celerity is really the only Bullshit Matcher

[craggy coyote]

Celerity is best for kill this guy in a straight up fight but you can make an argument that thaumaturgy can rival it in some instances and also rival every other discipline with the right rithals

it's really hard to beat "fuck you I have 5 turns and feral claws, die"

in straight combat

[marble sorrel]

Eh, Celerity sorta hooks into a lot of stuff, not just combat. +Celerity to any dexterity-based action also makes it a Premier Stealth tool, Mobility Tool etc

Even if you're not fighting

A guy with 10 dice (Perception 5 + Awareness 5) will not win much against a guy with 15 dice (Dexterity 5, Celerity 5, Stealth 5)

It's part of why Celerity is my absolute top of the discipline pile.

As 'Anything that involves taking actions or using the dexterity stat' covers...a lot of a given vampire game 😛

Unironically I think Celerity is a better stealth discipline than Obfuscate

[mighty zephyr]

I mean yeah, Dexterity is the Legacy God-Stat

[marble sorrel]

Especially in modern nights, when there's a lot more cameras about and Obfuscate doesn't do much to machines.

Auspex is another one I'd put above Thaumaturgy due to just how good it is within its area of expertise and how important 'knowing more shit than anyone else' is.

It's a premier investigation, combat and social discipline.

And unlike most social disciplines, using it and people knowing you're using it is unlikely to cause fists to be thrown. Unlike Presence or Dominate.

[dusky ledge]

Welp. Fellow player is apparently considering scrapping his character after a year and a half of consistent weekly play

All because he can't or won't actually work on making connections with the coterie

[marble sorrel]

...that's...huh...that's certainly a choice/issue.

Like did he try to? Have some minisessions or something of characters talking, getting to know each other?

[dusky ledge]

Kinda?

But also his idea of reaching out didn't even register to literally anyone as an attempt to do so

Most recently, he wound up in fury frenzy during a sparring session with another PC. We're doing text rp to play out the aftermath and it's... Not going well

My Tremere sat down with his Gangrel and detailed how he needed to be careful, how this has happened before, and shit needs to change. And from there it just kinda went in circles, and so both I and my character decided to just exit the scene and let him do the work to repair things

And instead... It looks like he's giving up

[marble sorrel]

...ooof

I'm sorry to hear it

[dusky ledge]

Yeah.

It's a shame too, there was real potential there

Even in that conversation, I was trying to give him an angle and spin his lack of connections as his Beast. Being a Gangrel, I suggested maybe he's just a lone wolf

[velvet sparrow]

Honestly the more I learn about it the more Thinblood Alchemy looks like they just took V20 Thaumaturgy and made it Thinblood Alchemy instead

[mighty zephyr]

Thinblood Alchemy is more thematically eclectic on purpose

[marble sorrel]

Our Tremere has decided that if Baali are Kill On Sight, she can use them in her Gargoyle Experiments without moral issues.

Damn Tremere

[mighty zephyr]

Well there's still moral issues it's just not legal issues

[marble sorrel]

Look, I said she's decided there's not mortal issues. I never said her decisions were good ones 😛

[craggy coyote]

kinda but alchemists have a lot more limits. each kind of alchemy can only prepare so many formulae depending on how they do it. also it's their only native discipline unless they took an affinity so there's a reason it needs to be versatile

at most teebs can do "random level 1-2 discipline powers from their last meal', "discipline affinity" and tba

[mighty zephyr]

They can do one big burst of counterfeit discpline 5

[mighty zephyr]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Ln9l1_WE5PM?si=oLsff4o73dYAcOyQ

I have a new vtm character idea

[frank atlas]

Wabie's weekly torments is a strong idea for vtm

[fair jungle]

In an Anarch free state do we still have Primogens or is that an exclusive Cammy thing

[worthy sundial]

primogens r camarilla yea

[fair jungle]

Does the Anarchs have something similar or nha?

[worthy sundial]

nothing as formalized no

[fair jungle]

thank

[latent bough]

I made a Merit for Mage: The Awakening

Pros: You are now Tumblr Famous
Cons: You are now Tumblr Famous

[frank atlas]

Written from the soul huh.

[latent bough]

I resent the accuracy of this comment

[frank atlas]

Stop exposing the truth of the soul via creation smh

[orchid void]

no that's what the whole game is about

[frank atlas]

https://tenor.com/hY43P8p2qEl.gif

[craggy coyote]

This is true but beast mode's material component is insane: BP 4+ Vitae . You're making a deal with someone important for that, or trying to steal their blood, both of which are dangerous so it balances out to me

and good luck getting it from some sleeping elder when BP goes down when eepy

[gleaming wave]

ok tremere created

[marble sorrel]

Yep, that's a Tremere.

[gleaming wave]

the melee is because he has a sword

[marble sorrel]

Aininur is also having the dumbest conversation. But in her defence, she doesn't know why it's dumb.

Things Aininur does not know: She's talking to a Werewolf

She's trying to explain the Triat to a Werewolf, assuming she'll be thought as mad

[hybrid dock]

HAH

oh i love this kind of thing

character who is a part of the supernatural shakily explaining/revealing the supernatural to a character who TOTALLY KNOWS MORE but neither of them know whats up with the other"

[nimble gale]

That is the entire relationship between Aininur and her werewolf GF

right now both thinkt he other is some kind of mage

[fair jungle]

Do vampires lose humanity if they 100% drain someone that tried to kill them? Like a FBI Agent or a Thug

[marble sorrel]

Depends on the edition and, in many editions, their personal code.

Drinking a human isn't any worse than killing them any other way, though for most moral codes and most editions.

You don't nomm the soul like with other vampires.

[fair jungle]

Mostly going by V5
And yeah makes sense, because I am used in thinking "Well , if is the standard of self-defence, and they tried to kill you first, is 100% ok" but i wanted to be sure

[mighty zephyr]

Then it depends on your ST

I would probably still give a Stain because you're being attacked and going "oh sweet, food"

[fair jungle]

mmmh fair, in that case I am the ST so XP

[mighty zephyr]

It's something you'd have to mitigate imo

Unless the tone is like

action flick "yeah they're goons and thus are essentially p-zombies"

[marble sorrel]

I think it also depends a bit on context.

[fair jungle]

makes sense, thank.
Probably I will make it depend on how the player sees it, if it is a "Oh hey, bloodbag" is a stain, but if it is more akin to "Might as well" then no stain

[marble sorrel]

If you've got a gun or a knife and go 'yep, nomming', that's different than 'I'm unarmed and this is the best method I have to kill the other guy'

[fair jungle]

Makes complete sense

[mighty zephyr]

Yeah

[marble sorrel]

I'd also likely give a little more leeway if it's for a stealth kill as the Kiss keeping a guard from calling out for all his buddies makes it a notable 'This is a conscious decision for a purpose, not just hungy' aspect.

But again, all depends on circumstances.

[mighty zephyr]

Well when I hear "drain" I imagine it's "Drink this person to death"

Which if that's the case is why I'd almost always give a stain

[marble sorrel]

I give a lot more leeway for people who would actively attempt to kill you, if they could. Both 'active self defence' and 'I'm not going to make you have to actively introduce yourself to skinhead/let him get the first swing'.

And I'm assuming this situation isn't like 'Actively Trying To Murder People', which...yeah, that will weigh a lot on the soul.

[fair jungle]

Thanks for the perspectives!
I am not used to rules like WoD , more akin to pathfinder stuff, so is always good to ask

[gleaming wave]

mannnn I've made this whole tremere and now I'm like

"oooo brujah"

I love the brujah!!!!!!

nah I think the idea I have in mind works best as a supporting brujah who goes with the flow in an anarch game

but unfortunately within this coterie, I am the flow

[fair jungle]

Mood
Tho what fucks me over is how one single pick sold me an entire clan, the Ravinos.

[gleaming wave]

oh?

[fair jungle]

The aura of this is just
So good

[gleaming wave]

I saw this art while reference browsing and went "dude I need to play a brujah so goddamn bad" to my ST

[fair jungle]

and hey their lore of always on the run is also very cool, as well how their antideluvian got literally nuked

[gleaming wave]

https://www.artstation.com/bbybluemochi

not on their artstation

[fair jungle]

Thats soooo cool

[gleaming wave]

like this????? brujah as fuck

[nimble gale]

ne ofmy favorite vtm characters was an anarch everyone thought was a brujah, because shew as a politically active warrior-scholar who ran a biker lesbian bar in texas. She was 4'11" tall and her name was 'Big Momma'.

(She was a toreador who picked up potence out of clan)

[gleaming wave]

my last brujah was a 12th gen 19th century german communist who diablerised his sire during ww2 for, well, german ww2 things

ran a proto free state in stettin before leaving to the west coast after the soviets invaded because he didn't fw the brujah council

he was the talky one and his ventrue friend was the combat beast

[nimble gale]

i love combat ventrue

[gleaming wave]

I got the "yeah it's fine by me if u swap character concepts" from the GM and other players

and now it's like

"ohhhh fuck why did you say that"

[fair jungle]

Combat Ventrue is a walking brickhouse

"Oh wow cool, in the book you can get a 'sub-class' of sorts based on your philsophy! Let's see about that Bahari thing-"

[nimble gale]

the path of lilith is fun!

[graceful saffron]

Running Contagion Chronicles content is harder than I thought!

I like the materials fine, but I think I'd have been better served just sticking with Dread Powers.

I'm running a campaign about the Contagion that evokes vampirism bleeding into mortals.

[gleaming wave]

wanna play a brujah in dark ages so bad

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-its-peak-its-way-too-peak-its-honestly-more-than-peak-meme-gif-14944785001351870503

[vast blaze]

SAME

I yearn to be a vampire knight so goddamn bad

[gleaming wave]

FACTS

[craggy coyote]

Looks at vtm redemption
christof my beloved

[frank atlas]

he's still out there

somewhere...

[gleaming wave]

brujah has been cooked

[vast blaze]

God

I remember my old Gen 4 Brujah knight

Man was fun as fuck to play as

[gleaming wave]

Dont have access to my pc rn but I'm reading about a berserker merit and I can't tell if it's v20 or v5

And if it is v20 I cant tell what book it's from

[latent bough]

Don't think I've ever been able to sum up a NPC better than this >:D

He's that wandering anti-hero who'll come to town, solve a few problems, break a few hearts and then start to leave when the going gets tough

But then, at city limits, he'll always pause, look back, say "aw, goddamnit" and come back to help

[frank atlas]

Finished Coteries of New York

what a waste of time lol (Positive?)

[worthy sundial]

we got the pentagramm

[vast blaze]

WE'RE GONNA SUMMON WHATEVER THE FUCK THE BAALI ARE WORSHIPING

THAT'S RIGHT GUNK, THIS WAS ALL A PLOY TO DERAIL THE CAMPAIGN UTTERLY

[worthy sundial]

its so funny ur in this game now cuz i definitely asked abt stuff for future plot arcs in here

[marble sorrel]

Satan: "Hey, don't look at me! I'm a pretty cool guy with nothing to do with them!"

[vast blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/i-pretend-i-do-not-see-it-i-do-not-see-it-emoji-ew-gross-gif-20086803

Anyway you can just slap spoilers onto it and write "WAMLY DO NOT READ THIS" or something

[worthy sundial]

bah its long ago enough that im not gonna worry abt it

[vast blaze]

Yeah I don't remember reading any posts from you asking for advice

So I either never saw them to begin with or just forgor

[vast blaze]

Question

In Mage 20th Edition, what Spheres would you need to make someone have bad luck?

[marble sorrel]

Entropy is generally the one for that

[vast blaze]

Aye, yeah...

[marble sorrel]

Reading over that fan update to Kuei-jin for 20th edition is interesting and makes me more tempted to do stuff with them. They're a very different beast to vampire.

[marble sorrel]

(The Dharma system is also a lot better mechanically than Generation/Humanity)

[marble sorrel]

I also find it very funny that the book spends like half a page shitting on humanity as a moral system for the undead. Both that 'no, doing the horrible things doesn't make you Less Human. Doing horrible things is a major part of being human! Humans are very good at doing horrible things!' and also that it's the 'path of what makes me feel sad' more than something with any philosophical backing, unlike paths. XD

[vast blaze]

Stupidass question: At a glance, what splat does this dude look like he'd be

Just like, immediate first impression

[nimble gale]

In owod, modern nights, changeling

[orchid void]

An Exalted Character. That’s Flafel

[rapid glacier]

VtM: Dark Ages || but that’s cheating, of course, I’ve seen her design before ||

[vast blaze]

Elaborate?

[vast blaze]

Shit I forgot about Changelings

[nimble gale]

IOh shit that is Striga's daytime armor isn't it

[hybrid dock]

that fucker!

[rapid glacier]

Oh is it not the same design from season 2 of the Castlevania anime? It’s a very similar armor design if it isn’t

[rapid glacier]

Yeah this was my thought, the face mask was a dead giveaway but it could be someone else’s interpretation

[nimble gale]

I got caught up in how much it looked like ornstein but I think the daytime armor was basically ornstein + berserk so

[vast blaze]

OH no, this is a mix of the Seething Bazelgeuse and Master Rank Bazelgeuse armor from Monster Hunter Rise

[nimble gale]

ah yes, the B52 Bomber

regardless though in the modern nights I'd go with a changeling knight of some variety, likely unseelie becuase it gives Dark Knight vibes

possibly a troll, maybe just a beefy sidhe

[vast blaze]

The fit in-game

It kicks ass and I pray that Capcom adds these armor pieces back to Wilds

[rapid glacier]

this is reddit user 'KevinGlint's take on Striga, there appear to be some design inspirations

although Striga is more like Artorias with her armor

[vast blaze]

I'd imagine Striga took some degree of inspiration from the Seething Bazelgeuse helmet, Iceborne predates the Castlevania anime

[marble sorrel]

...I do like the V20 update to KOTE noting that some paths, like Via Caeli are viable for Hungry Dead if you're playing one of the many hungry dead who came from around the world. As much like normal vampires are not in europe only, the Hungry Dead are all over the place too. They just tend to get mistaken for a random shovelhead by most vampires when they see a guy crawl his way out of a grave and try to eat flesh for sustenance.

[vast blaze]

Lmao yeah

"OH FUCK A SHOVELHEAD"

"The fuck is a Shovelhead???"

[marble sorrel]

Likewise it notes that while the various philosophies are described in terms of where they come from there's nothing inherantly More Spiritual about them being from China or Korea or Japan or such. It's just that a lot of cainites tend to not really give a shit in modern nights about cultivating their spiritual nature. Even the religious ones tend to just see it as a way to get social power.

You could just as easily be an Irish or German member of the Thrashing Dragons, as people can discover the same philosophical underpinnings all over the world.

[worthy sundial]

becoming rhe blavatsky of the vampire wotl

[marble sorrel]

It does a lot to try and push back on the 'Hollywood movie Asian gong sounds' the 90s WoD had a lot of.

[marble sorrel]

"What if I just fucking annihilated the concept of the gauntlet for a while. Ain't I a stinker?"

[marble sorrel]

The Godbodies are a fun mechanic and overall this does dodge a lot of the 'thaumaturgy is super broad' issue by making rituals something that Literally Anyone Knows.

[mighty zephyr]

Straight up

I think I'm getting 3 level 3 potence powers

[craggy coyote]

Yeah level 4 potence powers aren't that good, so I kinda get it

Whatcha thinking on?

[mighty zephyr]

Wrecker Exhuberence and Brutal Feed

I could get Crash Down

[craggy coyote]

Yeah, but Brutal feed or exuberance or unrelenting grasp (Whichever one adds potence rating successes to subsequent attacks/grapple checks, including bite attacks) would be better for you

[marble sorrel]

Hmm...honestly, a lot of the Godbody stuff reminds me of what they're doing now with infernals in exalted. Where you turn the suffering of hell into something useful.

Third Preparation: Fever’s Purity (•••)
The apprentice of Poxes accepts a crushing fever, granted by a master or by a powerful spirit – perhaps one of the pox-gods still wandering the Korean peninsula, or a sickly functionary of the Wicked City who carries a box of dubious syringes. Unfortunately, it takes far more than one bout of fever to understand its purifying powers.

System: The Hungry One can reflexively roll Stamina+Poxes (plus Medicine, if the apprentice has it) at Difficulty 8 to initiate a fever – She is sweating, trembling and glassy-eyed, suffering -3 to all dice rolls for at approximately half the night, or several hours.

However, once the illness passes, she will be free of all mind control and supernatural bonds, and she regains a point of Willpower as she sees the world with beautiful, fever-broken clarity. Furthemore, the Storyteller provides one clue about a situation that currently troubles her, which takes the form of a vision of the future, or a voice from an unseen guide speaking to her in the fever’s heat.

For 1 Chi, she may bestow this fever on others, which can kill a mortal who fails a Stamina check at Difficulty 8.

Like having the sickness of fever have her shed supernatural influence.

[mighty zephyr]

Exuberance gives 2 permanent extra Potence

[craggy coyote]

yeah its add 2 to your rating for rolls (wild) but you take agg on some failures/messy crits?

reason I mention the unrelenting grasp one is because that would stack with exuberance

[mighty zephyr]

Yeah but wrecker also stacks with exuberance

[craggy coyote]

6 automatic successes to keep someone grappled or bite into brutal feed

also true

it's good either way

[mighty zephyr]

So i could just throw a car at someone

[craggy coyote]

... now listen. I'm not saying Alan could teach your boy unerring aim

but I am saying I've wanted to see someone throw a car at DC 1 for a long time

[mighty zephyr]

Kindred Anti Air Division

[craggy coyote]

anti building division more like

I've always joked to myself that the tremere think a chantry is safe until a brujah buys a scrap yard

[mighty zephyr]

Well I dont need unnering aim to hit a building

[craggy coyote]

this is true

but hitting the dip shit tremere who thinks his warding circle will save him from the wrath of a Ford f 150 loaded with every bomb we can find would

[frank atlas]

I appreciate you giving it a read, this is real interesting

[marble sorrel]

Yeah, they seem to have gone hard on 'No, this isn't Asian Vampires. These are a type of hungry dead that is superficially vampire-like and thus most places tend to Assume they're just normal vampires. Since they've got a stronger society in Asia, people assume they're Asian Vampires'.

I also like the tie into Wraith they gave.

Where one of the primary goals of the devil-aspected ones is 'Hell is Broken...I can fix it'.

With their thing being 'There is always going to need to be a place where sin can be purged, so people can overcome their flaws and become better. If it needs to exist, it should be run by people who are in it to help people, not just make their own personal kingdoms of the dead'

The Big Capstone for them is you get a Cool Otherworld Base and the forces of the underworld are forced to acknowledge you as a ruler there, not just an escapee.

You'll need to pay 2 chi + 1 willpower per week to keep it active (Or drag people to hell for their punishment) but after a year it become permanent, the groundwork of a non-shitty hell.

A big thing with Hungry Dead - Campaigns for them are a lot more Werewolf than Vampire.

You care a lot about the various spiritual realms

[frank atlas]

Very small hell

[marble sorrel]

And have the power to visit them easily.

So you'll be wandering about the various realms just as much as werewolves do

[frank atlas]

Yeah I'll always appreciate the attempt at rehabilitation

[marble sorrel]

Among other things: They repeatedly use the term 'hungry dead' rather than KOTE or that mangled 'well we kinda made Racist Asian Sounds from a japanese and a chinese term put together'. XD

[frank atlas]

There really is no such thing as kuei-jin

[marble sorrel]

I do also like how all the paths have a 'Spirit Realm Shit' capstone and a 'Your game isn't about the spirit realms' capstone.

Like Vitality can either meld the spirit realm and the physical world for a scene

or they can bring to life the spirit of objects to let a statue beat your ass.

[frank atlas]

Both are good

[marble sorrel]

I also like them making clear that Wickedness isn't just 'you're evil' or something.

It's about your control over the worse parts of yourself and of others.

But those are part of being a human

It's also the stat about staying in control when confronted with your own worse impulses.

Someone with Wickedness 1 isn't someone purely good hearted. They're someone for whom they've not really engaged with 'Hey, there are parts of myself that I don't like'.

So when it comes calling, they're just as shocked as everyone else.

[frank atlas]

Ah so max is like, perfect understanding of your desires and bad impulses

[marble sorrel]

Yeah.

The triggers for it, for example. The base version is 'I'm being a bit of a bastard' but notably the other two are when you're confronted with the horrors of the world...or when all attempts to be good and rightous mean nothing and you need to deal with that emptiness.

Someone with low wickedness likely won't be doing much to actively harm people but is vulnerable to the fact the world is a shit place where goodness isn't rewarded and wickedness often wins getting the better of them.

[frank atlas]

I like how it's harder to accept philosphical failure than moral failure

Like your personal ethics being tested and found wanting is worse than seeing someone be a prick.

[marble sorrel]

Likewise Vitality has a bit of the Vampire Beast in it but a high value isn't 'I'm a hungry beast', it's 'I have enough of an understanding of my hunger that it won't shock and overwhelm me when I'm weak'

[frank atlas]

Oh they have rotschrek too

Yeah like, I'm not fit to judge it but

I'm really happy to hear someone wanted to try and care about what was being said

[marble sorrel]

Yeah, I appreciate it a lot.

I also like their version of Blush of Life.

[frank atlas]

Are roaring dragons still funny naked people

[marble sorrel]

Where you pick 1 of the 4 virtues and you become in tune with it.

With Vitality being the more traditional 'you are alive' sort

But you being able to get some cool tricks from the others too

[frank atlas]

I like playing hedonites but they were a little orientalist in their own ways iirc

[marble sorrel]

Like attuning with wickedness makes you able to root out supernatural evil more easily.

[marble sorrel]

They're still hedonistic but not quite funny naked people.

They're more 'don't take life for granted'

There's a lot more 'The spirits of nature around you are part of life, be an envoy to them and help them'

[frank atlas]

I like the second one a lot.

But the first one is making a guy who really wants to flex his hungry dead nature.

[marble sorrel]

One of the listed examples is very much flexing that with taking a hungry dead spin on a classic job.

'Hello Fox Shifters, I will sit down with you for some delicious human liver'

[frank atlas]

"Oh yes tonight I'm preparing food for those quaint little school children. The cammy rilla?"

[marble sorrel]

I also really like the concepts for the Devil-Tigers, they really doubled down on 'The world is shit and I'm going to use my understanding of how shit it is to make it better'

[frank atlas]

Number 2 is a fucking campaign

[marble sorrel]

Number 2 is 'Hello, Player Character Detective Agency. How can I help?'. Which I do appreciate.

[frank atlas]

"Friends of the First Night" chronicle where you're all hungry dead trying to help people step into the world of darkness

Fend off Technocrats as the newly awakened escape their base, evacuate and cover for the first change of a werewolf as hunters kick down their door, help a hunter understand what they're seeing without getting a shotgun blast to the head.

Noo. I'm getting ideas

[marble sorrel]

They also seem to have pushed harder on 'heavenly doesn't mean good', both with more on 'beating up spirits who are misbehaving' and on the Resplendent Cranes having some real bastard options.

They care more about Harmony then Justice. If some crimes need to get ignored because letting them be known would cause a lot of chaos and unrest? Well, such is life.

[fair tapir]

Oh no, I feel targeted

[fair tapir]

https://www.tumblr.com/mrsqadiral-asmai/801432478405492736?source=share

🥰 Qadir 🥰

I was possessed...

Tumblr · Nov 28, 2025, 4:52 AM

[velvet sparrow]

Ohhhhh where did you get it?

[mighty zephyr]

It's from the storyteller's vault

[rapid glacier]

Lmao this is an example for keeping the Veil in WtA btw, getting caught on phone cam in Crinos is mostly met with “oh cool special effects, I wonder what prompt they used” but if you keep doing it the feds will torch your house with a drone strike

As long as the same incident isn’t seen by multiple cameras you’re reasonably in the clear but those incidents will stack up, hope you’ve got the Rite to delete that evidence remotely

[frank atlas]

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/435620/kindred-of-the-east-the-relentless-age

I'm planning on checking out eventually, i always say remakes should come to games that were like 5/10 6/10 with potential

[vast blaze]

...man I wanna play this shit now

These all kick ass

[frank atlas]

I'm a little worried about it, but we're at a solid werewolf out of 10

[vast blaze]

"So who's your sire?"

"Hell if I know. Some guy with horns helped me out though, got me to the local Cam stronghold. Nice fella, would've died without him."

"...what."

[frank atlas]

"Oh yeah that guy, yeah his boss dropped the prince here when he was still warm!"

"WHAT."

[vast blaze]

Would a Changeling theoretically be any good at monster hunting

Kinda wanna make a Changeling that also works as a Hunter in that cross-splat server I'm in

[nimble gale]

Yes

You just wanna make sure your cantrips work outside chimerical reality

[mighty zephyr]

Well they wouldnt be a Capital H Hunter if theyre a changeling

[nimble gale]

I mean they can be a Hunter's hunted hunter, I BELIEVE that there's a way for changelings to take true faith. Linear sorcery probably not? But yeah they wouldn't be imbued

[mighty zephyr]

Oh I mean any supernatural isnt really a Hunter

Even if its a non imbued

You are still an other who harms people to live

[nimble gale]

Changelings don't really do that though? I mean, being an other yes, but they don't need to harm other people to live. And a lot of stuff they would do that trades pain for glamour is ultimately banal or nightmarish in the end.

[vast blaze]

This is true, I mean just a hunter in the sense of "I go after supernatural threats"

[vast blaze]

...I... don't think Mages really need to harm others to live

Beyond basic self defense and selfish goal-furthering

Or Changelings

Really vampires are the only ones that absolutely 100% NEED to kill, and even then you can put in some effort to not do so

Well, werewolves too, that's the name of the game with Garou

[nimble gale]

yeah, mages don't have to but often will because as mages they know better, look, sometimes a couple eggs break, you gotta make an omelette

(possibly hot take Senator Armstrong is a perfect example of how a mage actively wanting to win the ascension war acts)

[patent stirrup]

And also hunters hunted hunters include gouls, the childer of Osiris, and the ATF so like it's a vary difeirnt standard

Hell there is even a pre Wt:A werewolf in that book as an example Hunter to thorw at PC vamps

[vast blaze]

The ATF?

The one group of mortals that can make a werewolf tremble in their boots

[marble sorrel]

...changelings get glamour by helping inspire people to creativity. Nothing about them makes them hurt people.

[nimble gale]

They can with--ravaging I think it is? but that's both inefficient and generally frowned upon

and is entirely optional

[marble sorrel]

Yeah, it's generally seen in changeling society as a dickhead thing, like how humans can mug other humans for money.

[high current]

Iirc there's like 5 methods of getting glamour, one of which is banned by both Seelie and Unseelie courts, and 2 of the remaining ones harm the mortal in question but don't kill them

And then there's Revelry which varies from Kith to Kith

[patent stirrup]

yeah theat's ravaging wich liek is not baned but is frowned apon by both corts as it dose reduce the overall glamour avable for everyone but also if you need a hit it will get it for you

[radiant marsh]

We’re

Phone being stupid and can’t delete or edit

But like ideally white room no other factors Vampires are really the only major splat that’s HAS to hurt people to persist

In actual practice not so much

[vast blaze]

Aye

...on the topic of Changeling I got a really fucking stupid but really fucking funny idea

Fantasy dwarf

How would I build such a character

[radiant marsh]

Intolerance (Sidhe)

[nimble gale]

what part of dwarf do you want

and like, fantasy dwarf or mythological dwarf

because if you want 'foul tempered tinkers' the nockers are right there

[radiant marsh]

I was imaging full trope generic Urist the Boatmurderer fantasy dwarf

[nimble gale]

believe it or not I think an autumn sidhe would be a fair approximation of a svartalfar/eddic dwarf (you could do an arcadian as well I think)

full trope generic urist mcurist... play an alcholic nocker I think

[vast blaze]

Slick, thanks

[mighty zephyr]

Well yeah but from a ground view hunter perspective thats not really the reality whatsoever

[patent stirrup]

Consitering that the kind of hunter that is being talked about comes from the book that introduces the children of Osirus as a kind of playable hunter your not relay talking abotuthe same thing as every one else voy

[marble sorrel]

It's also not really other splats fault if hunters are wrong.

[vast blaze]

Hunters are just kinda fucking stupid in a lot of ways

Which fits with their general vibes

[mighty zephyr]

I mean they arent stupid they just are usually victims who don't particularly care for the nuance splats want to argue

[marble sorrel]

Sorry, bigoted, not stupid. As I mean, this started with talk about changeling. A splat that not only doesn't have to hurt people but who's primary method of sustaining itself is 'Helping people realizing their long-lost hopes and dreams'.

[mighty zephyr]

And they still end up fucking over enough people to make almost everyone else hate them

[nimble gale]

I'm actually pretty sure Changelings have more allies among the prodigals than enemies save for like, most of the technocracy and when they butt up against mages and werewolves for freeholds/nodes/cairns

[marble sorrel]

The issue they have with vampires isn't 'they screw over vampires' it's 'Vampires think we taste fucking delicious'.

[patent stirrup]

Yeah they are the least hostile to everyone else of the splats

[nimble gale]

yeah, and even then, you have maeghar and ravnos who semi-regularly interact with changelings via chimerical reality

[marble sorrel]

...this really is making it seems like hunters as the rednecks from the South Park game, where they'll be bigoted against the player character, no matter what what.

[mighty zephyr]

The Dreamspeakers have them as kill on sight

[patent stirrup]

Sorce please

[mighty zephyr]

Dreamspeaker revised trad book

[marble sorrel]

I mean, the changeling book actively lists them as one of the allies of the changelings.

Can we get the page number/quote about them being kill on sight for dreamspeakers?

[vast blaze]

Have you seen the Leopoldites

[nimble gale]

found it

and it is less kill on sight on my read and more 'the guy telling the story spent time among some bad unseelie and doesn't want to repeat the experience, so doesn't trust changelings at all'

given this is told from the in universe perspective of a single dreamspeaker

[marble sorrel]

Meanwhile, the dastardly things the average changeling does to feed!

[vast blaze]

Leopoldites: "CLEARLY THE SPAWN OF SATAN, BURN IT ALIVE"

[marble sorrel]

...that's not even Unseelie. That's Rhapsody.

The Unseelie forbid that feeding method

[nimble gale]

shit, that's right; I forget they hard ban it too

[marble sorrel]

'I watched one of the greatest crimes of changeling society, which even their darker courts forbid. Clearly that's why we can't trust changelings'

That's like judging all mages based on watching a guy get Gilgulled

Hunters turning up to fight a Troll Changeling. He is 8 years old.

[radiant marsh]

I mean if you know literally nothing else about changelings and that was your only experience with them

And most supernatural splats aren’t going to bother to
explain themselves

[patent stirrup]

I mean yeah, but also dreamspeakers are one of the traditions that has the most experince with the fey

Being traditional allys and all that

[mighty zephyr]

The point of that section seems to serve the function of "this is how an average member of the Tradition views these splats" to me

Id question its inclusion as anything else but that

[radiant marsh]

I always liked the stereotypes sidebars

[mighty zephyr]

The wod version of the shadowrun racism table

[radiant marsh]

Shadowrun racism table?

[patent stirrup]

Yeah when you first encounter an NPC the GM rolls to see who they are raciest agenst and how strongly.

[radiant marsh]

Ah

[patent stirrup]

A lot of the books will also list this for NPCs

Or at least used to

[radiant marsh]

I meant the stuff in like the clan write ups

V20 malks on gangrel

“Pin the tail on the OW OW OW FUCK!”

[mighty zephyr]

Yeah i getcha

[radiant marsh]

Less racism table more how what each clan or tribe or whatever thinks about others says more about the one making the observation

[marble sorrel]

It is amusing how so many splats have like maybe a hint that the technocracy exists at best. Meanwhile Changeling has them at 'oh yeah, we know exactly who they are. We fucking hate them and are using the fact they dismiss rumours of our existence to fuck them over as much as we can'.

The technocracy is basicly set up as the changeling enemy because so much of it is profoundly banal and it's actively attempting to stamp out wonder and magic from the world.

[radiant marsh]

W20 Shadow Lords, all of theirs are basically observations on how best to manipulate the other tribes

[radiant marsh]

It’s actually thematically perfect

Shame owod crossovers are such a headache

[marble sorrel]

Yeah, the Technocracy gives them sorta an important area of 'Opposed group with actual superpernatural powers'

As Autumn people are a problem but they're not a 'this is something the troll will punch' problem

And they fit very naturally into the Glamour/Banality setup

It seems to be from the writeup in changeling that the Fey have good relationships with: Dreamspeakers, Ecstatics and some Hermetics. Moderately negative relationships with Akashics (Who are sometimes friendly but also as a group keep trying to steal Changling Freeholds). Very negative relationships with the Technocracy (Banality Incarnate).

[radiant marsh]

Pre-W5 there’s some crossover with the Fianna

IDK if that carried over to the Heart Wardens

[mighty zephyr]

The Hermetics are probably an exception considering they have a law against consorting with fairies

[marble sorrel]

Yeah, we don't have a C5 book so I'm going off C20.

Where it's a little more complex internally with the changelings.

But mostly positive.

Just a case of 'Look, we like you guys but holy fuck we are not stepping in as formal allies while Literally Everyone Else hates werewolves'

[high current]

[sad Merinita noises]

[radiant marsh]

“We’ve seen what you fight. No thank you”

[nimble gale]

every good hermetic, of course, knows that it's only illegal if you get caught

[mighty zephyr]

Tis the only actual real rule

[high current]

this is the first time ive actually looked into what happened with Merinita in WoD, i knew they werent one of the modern houses but for some reason i didnt think they'd be amongst the first to fall

(i was familiar with Ars Magica before i got very familiar with oMage)

[nimble gale]

I have a funny story about ttrpgs involving omage

and by 'funny story' I mean my first everexperience with TTRPGs was dnd 3.5e and an early version of the returners final fantasy TTRPG, and I went from those straight into mage the ascension and unknown armies.

my neurochemistry was permanently rewritten by those latter two

[vast blaze]

It's only illegal if they can prosecute you

[nimble gale]

wamly is already 80% of hte way there to being a proper Hermetic wizard

[mighty zephyr]

People in the new york server im in did not appreciate my wisdom that things arent illegal if you just kill all the cops sent to arrest you

[radiant marsh]

The literal first rpg I ever played face to face with other people was Paranoia

This probably explains a lot

[nimble gale]

lol

[radiant marsh]

All hail Friend Computer

[vast blaze]

"But what happens when they send more cops" you kill THEM fool

[radiant marsh]

Operating on Payday logic

They just keep coming

You have opened a portal to the Elemental Demiplane of Cops

[nimble gale]

legitimately a rote one of my new world order characters knew in a technocracy game once

[marble sorrel]

'Summon Cop'

[vast blaze]

Naw, Pentex has a flash-cloning machine they stole from the Technocrats solely so they can churn out three billion cops

[rapid glacier]

Ah in DC they call this the “Payday 2 Method”

Also hello WoD friends hope your holiday went well, I spent mine sick and thinking about ghosts

[nimble gale]

I've been plotting more nefarious things for the baali to do in my dark ages game

as far as stuff wod related

[marble sorrel]

They should send one of them to try and kill Aininur's girlfriend. After all, how dangerous can she be? 😛

[nimble gale]

she's like 4'10" and grew up in a cushy noble household in the sultanate of rum, this will be an easy assassination job.

(for those viewing at home: Aininur's girlfriend is a Shadow Lords garou. A ragabash, so not exaclty the best fighter, buuuuut)

[vast blaze]

Cthulhu

Or hell, maybe something more grandiose

Like Nyarlathotep

...wait does the Cthulhu Mythos exist within World of Darkness...

Apparently not, but there's an interesting plot beat, invader eldritch gods from another reality are trying to force their way into this one

[mighty zephyr]

there's like 10 of those

[nimble gale]

There's a few chthulhus, yeah

you should find a copy of,... fuck, what was the book

blood-dimmed tides?

it covers most of the squiddly stuff

and I think the lasombra nuclear submarine pirates too

[mighty zephyr]

i haven't read that but the ogres love it which means it's probably Not Good In A Spectacular Fashion

[marble sorrel]

Ogres are fine. They're a respectable changeling, they just like oaths 😛

[vast blaze]

Question

How did the Order of Reason make people start thinking magic isn't real

[spice abyss]

You'd be amazed what ideas you can get people to believe with just a little work.

[nimble gale]

money, propaganda, and taking advantage of the fact that the mages were fractured and not paying attention to the little guy

also sabotage

[vast blaze]

Right, right

[marble sorrel]

Also the general slow march of 'You thought that was magic? Well, actually it's Y'.

It wasn't overnight

[vast blaze]

Trying to explain to a vampire in-character about the history of the Union

[marble sorrel]

But convincing people that there's a logical explanation helps reinforce their paradigm.

[vast blaze]

It's a long story, she's a Tremere that for some reason the Order of Hermes is allowing in as an apprentice but specifically for Linear Magick???

God knows what the hell strings she pulled to get that apprenticeship though

Or what the hell kind of prodigal skill she has in Linear Magick

[worthy sundial]

im p sure its not canon but it would be funny if it was initially thru the catholic church

[vast blaze]

I would not be surprised, they've ruined every fucking thing they got involved in all throughout history

[mighty zephyr]

I mean like

Blood sorcery is linear magic

Linear magic isn't anything but "Mages calling other stuff that isn't theirs a lesser term"

[worthy sundial]

im specifically talking abt how the catholic church's doctrinal understanding of magic is that its not real

[marble sorrel]

Most mages would consider 'basicly anything another splat does' linear magic, though you'd find it hard to say that Cantrips and Thaumaturgy are really the Same Thing etc.

[rapid glacier]

I always thought Linear Magic was just “magic that has rules”, where Sphere Magic has basically one rule, and that is “don’t let the Consensus catch you slippin”

[mighty zephyr]

Well Dynamic Magic actually has a lot of rules

[mighty zephyr]

I do not actually think that's correct

[marble sorrel]

Linear Magic is more accurately 'magic that isn't Sphere Magic'.

It's defined more by what it's not than by what it is

If that makes sense?

[worthy sundial]

it was the medieval view at minimum iirc

[marble sorrel]

More precisely: The Catholic Church didn't believe in witches

It's one of the reasons the Spanish Inquisition wasn't part of the Catholic Church despite being done by a Catholic Nation

[mighty zephyr]

I do believe the official doctrine is that magic

1. Is real, due to it being in the bible
2. should not be practiced

[marble sorrel]

Generally the stance is that 'it doesn't matter if magic is real or not, doing so is a type of heresy as it's showing you believe you can have god's power yourself'.

things don't need to be real to be heresy. In fact, generally heresy is defined by not being seen as something people believe that isn't correct

[mighty zephyr]

2117 All practices of magic or sorcery, by which one attempts to tame occult powers, so as to place them at one's service and have a supernatural power over others - even if this were for the sake of restoring their health - are gravely contrary to the virtue of religion. These practices are even more to be condemned when accompanied by the intention of harming someone, or when they have recourse to the intervention of demons. Wearing charms is also reprehensible. Spiritism often implies divination or magical practices; the Church for her part warns the faithful against it. Recourse to so-called traditional cures does not justify either the invocation of evil powers or the exploitation of another's credulity.

It's also really important to note that other gods and wizards exist in the bible

So you can't really say they don't exist

[vast blaze]

...new crackpot conspiracy theory

The Technocracy is the product of God trying to stifle out magick and other gods

[marble sorrel]

...I mean, that's actively not the catholic belief. Catholicism is strictly monothiestic.

It's not 'other gods exist but you shouldn't worship them' or such.

[mighty zephyr]

I mean yes that is the doctrine, but going by the Bible, other deities do exist.

[marble sorrel]

...no?

Other faiths exist.

[mighty zephyr]

Yes

[marble sorrel]

But not gods

[vast blaze]

Yeah the thing with the Bible is like

[mighty zephyr]

Other gods definitely exist in the Bible

[vast blaze]

"Them's not gods, them's DEEEEEEEEMONS in DISGUISE"

Which is a horribly shitty worldview to have but whatever, we're not here to discuss the ethics of Christianity

[worthy sundial]

other gods exist in the bible but theyre to be interpreted as idols yea

[mighty zephyr]

Though they do, explicitly, have powers

and God has on at least one occassion been routed by another God

[marble sorrel]

...

That's not...

The hell are you talking about Voy?

[mighty zephyr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzV5Se8CMFU

[marble sorrel]

I went to seminary and I have no clue what you're talking about.

[vast blaze]

I grew up a Christian unfortunately and seconded, the Bible is very much of the opinion that "There are no other gods, it's just demons"

[mighty zephyr]

There's other gods in Genesis too

Hence why God refers to "us"

[worthy sundial]

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2 Kings 3&version=NIV

its old testament shenanigans

[mighty zephyr]

Yeah

[vast blaze]

Huh wha

[mighty zephyr]

Yeah

[vast blaze]

Do you remember where you read that because that is deeply fascinating to me

[mighty zephyr]

Genesis 1:26

“Let Us make man in Our image”

[vast blaze]

Oh, that

[marble sorrel]

...that's a real fucking stretch.

[mighty zephyr]

Yes

[vast blaze]

I feel that more reflects on like

[mighty zephyr]

No

it's not a stretch

[vast blaze]

The Holy Trinity

[mighty zephyr]

no lmao

[vast blaze]

"Us" being like

Father, Son, Holy Spirit

[mighty zephyr]

The Trinity wasn't invented until several centuries later

The original Isrealite religion was polytheistic

[worthy sundial]

like every part of the old testament, genesis has shenanigans

[rapid glacier]

It reads like a holdover of some Gnosticism writing

[worthy sundial]

no gnosticism came after

[mighty zephyr]

Way after

This is original hebrew

[worthy sundial]

gnosticism is explicitly built on trying to make sense of this weirdness

[rapid glacier]

Yeah yeah but the current writing of the Bible was edited during the reformation, wasn’t it? To throw out some of the stranger or more paganistic stuff? This is not an area of study I’m super familiar with, so I could be misremembering

I’m a bad Methodist at best

[worthy sundial]

its still around is the thing

[vast blaze]

...god I fucking wish Gnosticism had caught on

[mighty zephyr]

I mean even God saying "us" is in current print

[rapid glacier]

It lives on in the spirit of JRPGs and fanfics

[marble sorrel]

It also doesn't seem to...be there at all.

[worthy sundial]

what does

[vast blaze]

Instead of the current vein of "GOD SAYS TO BE AS CRUEL AND EVIL AS POSSIBLE TO EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING"

[mighty zephyr]

I don't think gnosticism would have made the current trend of christofascism any better

[vast blaze]

...eh, true

But enough about that

[mighty zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/but-enough-about-that-enough-about-that-dropout-zac-oyama-make-some-noise-gif-14515419411959859752

[vast blaze]

I assume a vampire learning some Linear Magick is just a fully acceptable thing at base?

And not some homebrew for this server specifically?

[marble sorrel]

Anyway, the point of this is: Catholicism as policy doesn't believe in witchcraft but lots of individual Catholics in the middle ages did.

[worthy sundial]

yea

[mighty zephyr]

Yeah

[vast blaze]

Yeah

[rapid glacier]

I mean Thaumaturgy/Blood Sorcery is linear magic, isn’t it?

[vast blaze]

True

[mighty zephyr]

Also yes

[vast blaze]

Linear Magick besides Thaumaturgy and Blood Sorcery

[marble sorrel]

Yes, though vampires generally adapt it to Blood Sorcery

[mighty zephyr]

From a gameplay perspective I do wanna say

[marble sorrel]

As if you've got a big blood battery, use the better magic system

[mighty zephyr]

What the fuck is a vamp learning from linear sorcery they can't get out of Thaumaturgy

[marble sorrel]

Sorcerers are much more limited than Thaumaturges

[vast blaze]

True

[mighty zephyr]

it's got like 50 paths

[vast blaze]

...ah, I didn't realize that

[marble sorrel]

Linear Magic is much more interesting to Shapechangers than Vampires.

As Shapechangers don't have 'Sorcery+' in Thaumaturgy.

[mighty zephyr]

mmeant to type 50 but wolves got mme

[marble sorrel]

So werefoxes and werecats often make a lot of use of Sorcery

Generally, there's very little call for the more directly offensive sorcery if you're any sort of supernatural splat.

It's not a strength of it.

But if you want Divination or Information Gathering or Weird Support Tricks, there's some use to it.

Alchemy for example is a big one.

As it's 'Make Almost Anything In A Bottle, If You Have Enough Downtime and Enough Resources'

Alchemy 5 can do some shit

'Who wants Potence 1, Celerity 1 and Fortitude 1 for a scene?'

Even rank 1 lets you make some Good Painkillers

[mighty zephyr]

I think most of that first thing can be done with cocaine

[marble sorrel]

But yeah. If you're any sort of splat, this is the sorta things that you want out of sorcery more than 'I throw fireball!'

Or for Enchantment

Mortal Sorcery isn't great at direct shit but it's good for 'Hey, I have some Tools/Gadgets/Tricks to get an edge'

[mighty zephyr]

Mortal sorcery has the best direct spell

Buick at 75mph

[vast blaze]

Oh, yeah, that's the GOOD shit

I gotta get my hands on that

[marble sorrel]

Funny thing; That's actually the express use of Wayfare 1 for Changelings.

'Yeet a car at a guy'

[mighty zephyr]

Oh apparrently the divine council is mentioned by name in the Bible

[marble sorrel]

'A leaping smart car could have significantly more serious results'

[mighty zephyr]

that's fun

[marble sorrel]

Wayfare 1 is one of the best/scariest 1 dot art dips as 'Propelling someone somewhere at speed' is always good.

Most splats when they tick off a Wayfare changeling.

Even werewolves don't super like 'I propel you up onto the wing of a passing plane'

[vast blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/this-bitch-empty-yeet-meme-throw-gif-16703581

[marble sorrel]

I'm still not sure if 5 hits can send someone to the moon but if someone asked in a game I'd go 'space isn't real and it can't send you to a spirit realm' 😛

[vast blaze]

This raises the question of "What if the person being yote to the moon believes the moon is real though"

Does their Disbelief and Consensus overwrite reality?

[mighty zephyr]

well the reality is the moon exists, that's not consensual

[hybrid dock]

i do love that "some parts are definitely real that parts just real"

[rapid glacier]

This is what I always had a hard time with in mage and why I bounced off it

The moon is real but space isn’t

Sooooooooooooo where is the moon, then

[mighty zephyr]

Well space is real

The best way to think about it is that the Gauntlet is so imperceptiably thin that Mages can't not experience it umbrally by virtue of being a relatively powerful supernatural source of energy

So Mages just assume space is just the Umbra

meanwhile Niel was just like "yup this is space alright"

[rapid glacier]

Are you implying Niel Armstrong was Awakened?

[mighty zephyr]

no

the opposite

He experienced "normal" space

[rapid glacier]

I am dreading M5 even more, now

[hybrid dock]

oh y'know

up there

[marble sorrel]

I also find it funny that the Avatar Storm is just this 'only mages care' thing.

Mages: "OH GOD GOING THROUGH THE GAUNTLET IS SO HORRIBLE AND PAINFUL NOW."
Werewolves: "...the fuck Is he talking about?"
Hungry Dead: "...I got no clue."
Normal-Ass-Vampires With Path Of Spiritual Manipulation: "...beats me."

[rapid glacier]

Actually speaking of Umbra, in W5 it states the Digital Web is ‘in shambles’, is there more info on that somewhere?

I heard (or maybe saw on a discord or something) that someone ‘nuked’ it, and now there isn’t a digital representation in the Umbra anymore as of W5?

[marble sorrel]

...if there is, it happened in W5. I don't recall anything like that in W20

[mighty zephyr]

He did say in W5

[nimble gale]

I mean, the avatar storm/dimensional anomaly did make the gauntlet more difficult to cross for werewolves and blew up the underworld (it's why there wasn't a wraith revised)

[mighty zephyr]

I can check Moonlit path

but I don't recall

[rapid glacier]

Yeah the Gauntlet in W5 is brutal now

[mighty zephyr]

do you have a page on it

[rapid glacier]

I don’t I’m at work rn

[nimble gale]

but i think in revised itw as just mages that it was like

'oh god I might just die' to cross

[rapid glacier]

I’m working off of a half remembered quote somewhere

[marble sorrel]

Also: ID, if Aininur dies I'm bringing her back as a Hungry Dead. As vampires make wraiths/ghosts just fine 😛

[mighty zephyr]

The Digital Web is not mentioned a-once in W5 so far

[rapid glacier]

Hmmmm gives me an idea or two

I need to finish my Kith homebrew first though, Loresheets are harder to design than I thought

[mighty zephyr]

I need to finish my Uratha homebrew

I keep forgetting I have that

[rapid glacier]

Is that where you’re remaking the lodges in W5?

[mighty zephyr]

the tribes as camps essentially yeah

[rapid glacier]

Cause I also like the idea of pseudo-political camps like that

I dunno if there are enough wolves running around left for it to matter but I like the idea of a sort of ‘path’

[nimble gale]

I think this is before the guild revolt so i'll see what all is avaliable arcanoi wise then :V

[mighty zephyr]

Well it's less political and more metaphysical

it's wolves following shards of Wolf

[rapid glacier]

Did you ever square those lodges with MP’s statement of “Wolf and Fenris aren’t the same”? I’m about to introduce Grandmother Wolf into my game and I wanted to toy with that idea a little bit if the pack wants to investigate it more

[hybrid dock]

a hungry dead you say...

[mighty zephyr]

Yes

The basic idea is that Wolf disagreed with itself on leaving the nation

so avatars of it remain loyal in the broods of other patrrons

[marble sorrel]

I mean, Hungry Dead don't use arcanoi. They get to the body, hop in and then they've got demon arts/soul arts etc 😛

[nimble gale]

you still gotta spend time as a wraith beofre you pop back in right

it's like being a risen but sideways

[marble sorrel]

And I Gotta Go To Hell! But how many sins can a vampire really have committed?

[nimble gale]

lol

[mighty zephyr]

Wait when does MP say that

[marble sorrel]

...hmm...on one hand...homebrew Kiasyd for v5 would be really easy to do.

On the other - It would kinda shit on an existing player character option by doing their unique thing.

V5 Kiasyd
Disciplines: Auspex, Oblivion, Thin-Blood Alchemy.

Bane: Fae Blood - While in contact with Cold Iron, they receive a penalty equal to their Bane Severity to all dice pools while subject to the cold Iron. They also add their Bane Severity to damage taken from Cold Iron.

Compulsion: Curiosity - Called by the glamour of knowledge, the Kiasyd must obtain unknown, lost or secret knowledge. Until they satisfy the requirements, they receive a two-dice penalty for any actions not directly related to uncovering secrets.

Funny thing - They're one of the few groups who can say they've genuinely got both sides of Oblivion, having had both Necromancy and Obtenebration in previous editions.

[mighty zephyr]

TBA?

[marble sorrel]

Yeah, Kiasyd Alchemy was a big thing for them in previous editions.

Mixing various bloods to get interesting supernatural effects

Comes from their weird state of having Fae blood in them.

Kiasyd Alchemy
Until now, the Kiasyd practice of alchemy has resulted in a bevy of flavors, if not successful functions. Lately, however, some of their bizarre mixtures have begun to alter the forms and powers of those who drink them. Some claim this is due to the awakening of Hrotsuitha, while others mundanely state after a near millennium of research, it would be more surprising if nothing had been achieved. Kiasyd cocktails may convey temporary benefits, such as increased Strength or points of Protean through consumption of a werewolf-based drink, greater affinity for Thaumaturgy or astral projection during the day by drinking the blood of magi, and temporary immunity to the sun’s rays or use of Chimerstry through drinking from fairies. Such powers should come at a cost, however. Increased likelihood of frenzy, becoming subject to bizarre coincidences when using Masquerade violating Disciplines, or being hunted by illusionary entities are all possible penalties for indulging in the macabre field of blood alchemy.

[mighty zephyr]

I don't actually think mechanically it works to give full kindred TBA

Since I don't think it's balanced around blood potency

[marble sorrel]

Yeah. That's sorta my 'it would kinda shit on an existing player character option'.

But they sorta had the issue of the previous edition that their disciplines are in a...weird state...for v5.

[mighty zephyr]

I feel like the best way to do them would be like

[craggy coyote]

yeah the only way for full blooded kindred to imbibe tba formulae without having massive side effects afterwards is through a specific formula

a formula that requires Methuselah blood

[marble sorrel]

Being the only guys with Necromancy and Obtenebration means they are an easy shoe in for Oblivion but it also means their two disciplines became 1.

[craggy coyote]

not high bp

[mighty zephyr]

Oblivion, Presence, Obfuscate

[craggy coyote]

Methuselah

[mighty zephyr]

That way they have Oblivion and Chimestry and you can probably just add in a merit of like

"oo Can drink TBA without getting sick"

or whatever

[marble sorrel]

The tricky area of 'TBA stole their thing'. XD

I'll need to double check TBA to see what would actually change mechanically with access to 'actual blood potency'

[mighty zephyr]

It means it now get bonuses to discipline rolls

[craggy coyote]

and it's both really stronger in some respects for that but also weirder since tba is technically 3 disciplines based on how you practice alchemy

and requires extra rouse checks to prep formulae

[rapid glacier]

I’m gonna need a list of citations at this point, but it’s in a sidebar or one of the quotes

[marble sorrel]

Yeah, it's just tricky when trying to convert the Blood Alchemist Fey Vampires.

...I should also clarify what counts as Cold Iron.

As that's one of those terms people argue about a lot.

[rapid glacier]

Isn’t cold iron just wrought iron? Or is there a more specific definition

[marble sorrel]

It is in changeling but different fantasy things argue different things.

So I'll clarify that it's Wrought Iron.

The compulsion was basicly made up out of whole cloth.

[rapid glacier]

What do you reckon fey think about a Cold Steel catalog, do you think their shitty metal knives and swords count as cold iron?

[marble sorrel]

C20 has some rules for cold iron and it is so ratshit if you're not fighting fey. Cold iron blades (Though not blunt weapons) have -1 damage compared to forged iron counterparts and a cold iron weapon of any sort that is parried by 3 or more successes breaks

[rapid glacier]

I mean it certainly fits the physical description, wouldn’t trust those not to fall apart on a hook

It would also be very funny to stab a fey creature with what amounts to a knife stolen from a gas station

[marble sorrel]

The book does not that Sorcerers have figured out ways to make non-shitty cold iron with magic but the average guy hunting fey doesn't know many merlins.

So ironically you mostly see half-decent cold iron in the hands of a fey who is real pissed off at another fey.

[rapid glacier]

I guess they don’t have the same skin allergy reaction like Garou have with silver, then?

[marble sorrel]

Oh, they do. Those fey are called Dauntain and you don't last long as a dauntain.

As you're constantly dealing with the cold iron trying to eat your soul

[rapid glacier]

Lovely

[marble sorrel]

There's a few types of dauntain that exist but they're mostly 'so why did you decide to be a dumbfuck?'

From 'I don't know anything about fey'

To 'I'm in denial about being a fey myself'

To 'I am that fucking pissed off'

And 'I'm built different' (You are not)

Warlock Dauntain are very funny as they are literally running on 'I'm built different' and 'nah, I'd win' against the fundmental force of winter.

And are always shocked when they can't overcome winter using winter's tools.

[rapid glacier]

lol, our soon-to-be-Gale Stalker has a Hypothermia spirit bound to her and is always amazed that when it gets excited it keeps telling her to sleep in snow and just relax

Hubris against the primal force of Winter, it just keeps happening

[marble sorrel]

Bunks are one of the funnier things in CTD.

They're how you power up your arts.

By doing actions that sympathetically empower it.

Like you count empower dragon's ire, the art of heroism and glory by openly challenging a guy and telling him your name.

Or telling a full story over several minutes to really empower talecraft.

On one hand: They're cool.
On the other: They're often very silly.

The ones for Ruin are some of the silliest as Ruin is the art of cold iron and banality.

So you need to do things that actively destroy wonder.

You also don't really fuck with Dauntain if you can avoid it because they can summon Weaver Spirits.

5: Cry Wolf
The caster will summon a Weaver spirit. The entity level of power of the spirit depends on the number of success attained. For more details on Weaver spirits, see Werewolf: The Apocalypse or Mage: The Ascension. Examples include Paradox Spirits of the Mind Sphere. Pattern Spiders and Nexus Crawlers. This is extremely dangerous, and shows the inherently destructive nature of following stasis.

And not even mages and werewolves enjoy 'suddenly, a nexus crawler!'

[rapid glacier]

Yeah Nexus Crawlers are THE big bad enemy for any pack

[marble sorrel]

...god, I forgot how creepy some of the dauntain powers are.

Rosetint is literally an Exalted Infernal Charm.

Where you take a traumatic memory and warp the emotions to make the person addicted to attempting to re-experience that feeling.

So you point a guy and go 'hey, that feeling of finding out your daughter is dead from a few years back? Guess what new addiction you've got'

[orchid void]

oh yeah that's literally an old ebby charm isn't it

[marble sorrel]

Yep!

The one above that is ironically much less creepy and a lot funnier.

It's Procedural Addiction, which gives them 'You are now blinking and breathing manually'

You force the other guy to spend an action each round just Breathing and doing other normally automatic bodily functions.

If he doesn't split his actions or get another source of actions? Well, I guess he's not breathing this round!

It also prevents them taking reactions well...reactively. They can't buy an action to dodge. They need to have, on their turn, declared the action to dodge before it happened.

As all of a sudden the other guy is playing octodad: Werewolf Edition.

And it turns out most people are not really equipped for running their entire body on manual.

One of them also lets them pick an emotion and someone can no longer feel that emotion, naturally or magically.

[pure mauve]

I have a vague idea about a Thanatologist being dragged into a Sin-Eater krewe (probably Necropolitan?) and gradually being forced to become a better person.

I say Necropolitan because IIRC a lot of their rituals look like 12-step programs, and I have this vague idea that the Thanatologist is a psychologist and like all doctors is a terrible patient.

[vast blaze]

Thought

Would Santa Claus be some form of Changeling

[marble sorrel]

Nocker Santa

[vast blaze]

Eh, he's too jolly to be a Nocker, aren't they grouches?

Besides, seems more logical that his elves would be Nockers

[nimble gale]

You've never been so happy you want to cuss before?

[vast blaze]

I have, but Old Saint Nick ain't the type to cuss

[nimble gale]

i think that one's just an evil mall santa

[rapid glacier]

Wait hang on he’s also in the first HtR game, not just Redeemer

Wait no my mistake, it was a big teddy bear I got my bosses confused

[vast blaze]

That's an Evil Fucked Up Mall Santa yeah

I mean the REAL DEAL Sandy Claws

[worthy sundial]

it is but its still funny to post

[vast blaze]

True

Would Krampus be a Fomor

Or a fucked up and evil changeling

[rapid glacier]

Changeling, bet

[worthy sundial]

honestly probably a boggan kith

[nimble gale]

Krampus is an unseelie redcap

[violet sigil]

Dread Powers are wild

Had a pth nightmare hiding somewhere today and it gaslit all the players into being guilty or spooked

still no idea if i built this thing properly though lol

[lucid cape]

For Forsaken, how does one go about killing the spirit of a big box store

[mighty zephyr]

Bite it to death then eat it.

[lucid cape]

Mmm, big box store spirit mukbang

[mighty zephyr]

non-joke answer

Find Ban
Find Bane
Prep previously mentioned
Go over all possible escape methods
Siskur Dah Rite
Everyone slams all their Renown flares and gifts as hard as possible
You run at it and then bite it until it dies.

[lucid cape]

Im just conjuring up a small 3 or so sessions to really get the as much of the forsaken experience and "Go kill walmart" sounds like a good way to sell a few sessions of thid

[lucid cape]

Thanks, I can now induce my anti-big box store propaganda upon my players

[mighty zephyr]

Yeah don't expect "a big boss fight"

Uratha are super good at killing

superlatively good at killing

So you probably wanna do like

Session 1: Establish why you gotta kill walmart
Session 2: Prep for killing walmart
Session 3: Kill walmart

[lucid cape]

That's the plan

[hybrid dock]

my daily affirmations

[nimble gale]

is this just stardew valley wtf edition

[vast blaze]

Do y'all have any ideas for why an Old Clan Tzimisce might be in the States, rather than skulking in their castles back in Europe

[frank atlas]

That's where they'd expect to look

[vast blaze]

...true

[nimble gale]

he has family over here that he wants to help out with

"Oh, the Bratovich! I remember that line! Let me see how my old revenants are--kupala's teeth waht even is this"

[high current]

i mean, Dracula and Nosferatu provide a pretty compelling reason; some mortal woman over there has drawn the tzim's attention(Jonathan Harker/Thomas Hutter equivalent optional)

[vast blaze]

...he met someone via e-dating and he's here to visit

[clear delta]

Dracula paying for for harker's transition before biting her

[high current]

"V-dating" just occurred to me so there's that

Though that's basically just playing a Siren

(or using Tender, the in-universe app that totally isn't run by the Cam as a method of finding people with specific resonance)

[patent stirrup]

Our host's group gave me the chance to make a character to pop in with every so often, I'm quite excited

[vast blaze]

Nice

What're ya thinking of making

[patent stirrup]

Got a solid idea so far, just hammering out the finer details. Caitiff neonate, meant to be a go-between for the coterie and the local Anarchs

Wamly the Crab God ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161696306100715550 message) What're ya thinking of making

[vast blaze]

Very nice

Could do a funny and make then eighth generation, depending on if this is V20 or not

Make the clanless one inexplicably have the purest blood around

[patent stirrup]

Nah, it's v5

Though it is in Chicago, so I'm thinkin' maybe Maldavis was an inspiration for this lick

[mighty zephyr]

Could make them part of the Church of Caine

[vast blaze]

Stupid question

What ability is generally used for like, basic charisma shit

I.e. making people like you, presenting yourself as a trustworthy face, etc.

Like, what skill encompasses what Persuasion does in PF2e

[mighty zephyr]

Charisma

[vast blaze]

Not Attributes, I mean what Ability generally encompasses it

Sorry

[patent stirrup]

If your doing it as as a way to be sneaky or that sort of thing subterfuge, but also etiquette, culture, or maybe even expression

[craggy coyote]

In v5?
Persuasion (arguments) or Etiquette (following social norms)
Lying and general forms of deceit is subterfugue

[patent stirrup]

Oh also Animal Ken if your trying to be friendly with animals. it relay depends on who, ware and how your doing it. it's like how D&D has BAB abut ST systems have brawl, melee, and firearms

[rapid glacier]

Seconding Etiquette as the one you want, and if you’re trying to use force of personality and not any kind of social techniques or reasoning, pair it with Charisma typically

Now if you’re gonna use norms and rules to leverage your knowledge of Etiquette, then that would be Manipulation instead of Charisma

I think there would also be a case for Politics or any other basic skill if it’s very specific, but that’s not necessarily any easier or more successful than using the social skill

[nimble gale]

welp, the sabbat play by post i'm in has had our pack develope a new game of instinct, Hot Packet Toss. You buy a bunch of smartphones or tablets with swollen batteries and play hot potato with them. Last one standing/not on fire wins.

[marble sorrel]

Yeah, that sounds like the Sabbat

[frank atlas]

peam

[hybrid dock]

peam

[clear delta]

Peam

[worthy sundial]

if we just mean convincing people, persuasion yea

[vast blaze]

That's fucking hysterical

[rapid glacier]

hey WoD fans, my artist got finished with our WtA pack's artwork last week and I forgot to share. Say hi to our loveable cubs and Cliath out of Sieverville! Artist is the servers' very own @fickle vale

[nimble gale]

is that a pipebomb being thrown by the one wearing green?

[rapid glacier]

yes, her name is Ivy and she makes homemade explosives

she's the Girl Scout-turned-Sailor Scout, she had her first change at 12 on a commercial airliner, game start she's only 15 and is a gremlin

she's still a cub but is heavily leaning toward Galestalker

[vast blaze]

I gotta play Werewolf someday

[nimble gale]

I approve of any and all uses of improvised explosive devices in the context of tabletop role playing games

[rapid glacier]

we've established that she's blown off multiple digits making bombs

I mean, they grow back, so once you get over the ouch factor, bomb making and disarming isn't so scary

[gleaming wave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MjoD6D5wMc

[high current]

for a moment i forgot this was werewolf and i was gonna say 'vamps never get over rotschreck'

[rapid glacier]

I can get you a link to our backlog on my twitch if you wanna listen in; I record and stream the games I run for a few friends but WtA is one of those games everyone seems to be interested in and never gets a shot to play, so we’ve got lots of newer faces tuning in too

[vast blaze]

For me it's like

Conceptually it's interesting, but I always feel like I'd rather play a guy with a sword instead

For some reason

[rapid glacier]

a sword is just a claw someone else can use imo, and there's nothing stopping you from being a werewolf that also has a sword

can't go Crinos all the time, its rude

[vast blaze]

...that's true, I forgot about klaives...

[rapid glacier]

That albino kid with scars is going to make one for his personal arc, and the pack has a Crafting Patron spirit in the form of Tomahawk

[lucid cape]

I should make a hunt where the pack hunts down the spirit of an AI data center

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-my-beloved-gif-22029076

[vast blaze]

Could add a twist and say it's an unwilling spirit

Something that Pentex chained up

[lucid cape]

Shit, pentex is also in cofd?

[vast blaze]

OH you're running CofD

[lucid cape]

That's the plan, yeah

Someone sold me on it

They sold me on it when they say it was
"Furry Jujutsu Kaisen."

It sold itself for me when I realized its Furry Jojo Part 4

[rapid glacier]

yeah WtA maps pretty well to JoJo's, what with how damn weird it can be and all the FULL CONTACT VIOLENCE

[clear delta]

Anyway

You can have the data center wreck the spiritual ecosystem

Most spirits want it gone
A chunk is joining its spirits in hopes of survival or a path to power

[clear delta]

We are talking about werewolf the forsaken

[high current]

the spirit of the ai data center is stealing essence from the area and depriving the local spiritual ecosystem of essence, feeding itself with a mishmash of different resonances while contributing nothing of value
you barely even need to metaphor-ize it

[worthy sundial]

thats just a normal data center

[orchid void]

hiii that was me Forsaken is good

Focus on describing the spiritual ecology of an area to players and how the current hunt messes with the Web of Interacting Resonance

With a data center you might get Magath of spirits feasting on Data, because all other resonance has been pushed out by the new construction

[hybrid dock]

The poor web crawlers keep getting caught in nets

Spider shaped internet spirits….

[high current]

Yeah that's just the owod digital web

Nwoof doesn't have as much of a thing wrt tech and the internet, beyond how it's usage affects the local spirit ecosystem

[clear delta]

But we can homebrew supernatural internet stuff!

[mighty zephyr]

Well Nwoof does have tech and internet stuff, it just doesn't have like

The Internet Dimension

[mighty zephyr]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/227453835117854720/1317546351998930964/tumblr_8ae7825763bb3af477db02268a696cb9_4d4b1ed0_2048.jpg?ex=69346a29&is=693318a9&hm=6cb4e94fcb5f0545b497cb30361b09afcc68180a9e416465ced3007a7a1752cc&

reminder to play Book of Hungry Names

[clear delta]

For a moment thought this was Demon the Descent

[rapid glacier]

The Dexterity training bit from Lucinda is probably my biggest inspiration for this Cub game I’m running rn lmao

[radiant marsh]

When you think about it, AI could easily be multiple factions

Turning all of human creativity into a formula - Weaver

The death of creativity and the stifling of human curiosity - The Technocracy doing Super Banality

Sheer conspicuous waste of resources while also torpedoing mental health and feeding false information - Totally Pentex

[pure mauve]

Is Pentex entirely just the Captain Planet villains who love polluting because they're evil?

[mighty zephyr]

Not entirely

They love polluting cuz it's cheap and easy and makes the number go up

[pure mauve]

Okay. Sometimes it sounds like they're profit-oriented and sometimes it sounds like their primary goal is to actively maximize harm.

[craggy coyote]

pentex like any mega corporation is big enough to have internal factions with differing priorities. that said while not every one in pentex is aware of or even agrees with actively kill the planet anyone high up in the company is effectively someone willing to do whatever it takes to make money. including killing the planet. so it's a moot point.

[pure mauve]

I feel like "I love making money and don't care if it kills the planet" is at least more realistic writing than "I love polluting and making everything worse for everyone muahahaha".

[craggy coyote]

i don't think it's meant to be realistic in its entirety.

[pure mauve]

That's fair.

[craggy coyote]

but also I mean you look at the groups pentex satirizes and I gotta tell you past a certain point it really does feel like the people in charge of oil corps do get a boner from hurting people.

I mean shell was hiding climate change data for decades

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/sep/19/shell-and-exxons-secret-1980s-climate-change-warnings

so while the individual opinion may vary past a certain point the end result is the same

fuck you, fuck the planet, I'm rich, try and stop me

[nimble gale]

there are some parts of pentex that are in it for the pollution and planet ruining, because several members of the board are Fomori or worse

[mighty zephyr]

Legacy Pentex was more of a death cult first and a corporation second, while W5 has them be a corporation first and a death cult second since corporations are already basically death cults now

[pure mauve]

That's fair, and makes sense.

[vast blaze]

OH MY FUCKING GOD 😭

[rapid glacier]

oh thats a big ooof

[radiant marsh]

My interpretation of how I'd run them has always been like. The leadership is a death cult. But it turns out that for 95% of applications, just the standard practices of being a massive corporation under Capitalism do the Wyrm's work by default. In Pentex's case, they don't even have to think about mitigation apart from public opinion, because said deleterious effects are actively beneficial to their end goal.

You don't need to stick Banes in the mining rigs for the mountain top you've blown off to ruin the surrounding environment, and the toxic chemicals from the process to leach into the groundwater. You've wounded Gaia by just following SOP, and you're making money on top of it.

That's how Pentex subsidiaries usually operate

It's every big corporation that puts profit before any sort of responsibility, except in this case they see the damage they're causing as a bonus.

[mighty zephyr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4DP_ci1aAM

Thinking about making Kuze as a Puttanesca

[tough pebble]

I swear I've read multiple times that garou generally aren't supposed to know about every Pentex subsidiary. Or even that a particular company even belongs to Pentex. And if that's the case, their operations shouldn't stand out from the norm in most cases, otherwise it would generally be obvious which is which.

Sometimes the banes just show up because you made the perfect environment of decay and despair. Didn't have to do anything fancy.

[mighty zephyr]

That is correct, most Garou don't know Pentex exists

[tough pebble]

That and "actually only the Bad Company™ With Supernatural Evil causes the most pain to the Earth, the others aren't important" is sure A Take to be taking in your animism ecoterrorist game

[nimble gale]

I never got the feeling it was only pentex and subs (which are still like half of all corporations canonically), just they were the worst of a rotten bunch

most other corporations aren't summoning banes to shove into their high level employees

[marble sorrel]

Meanwhile in the dark ages game:

Prince's Advisor: "Someone tried to kill the Salubri visiting."
Tremere: *Shifty Eyes* "Wow, we really should find out who did that."

Slightly paraphrased.

[high current]

kinda wanna hear what other people think of this idea; ive got session 1 of my game tomorrow, and right now the plan is to have the Beast be the same for all 3 PCs, and essentially be the voice of Caine as a cosmic horror prehistoric progenitor who can sense what's going on with any kindred
(inspired by Tattered Facade's Cosmic Horror section, specifically this bit: "Is the Blood itself a sentient entity, embracing every one of the Kindred,
planning in generations — across millennia — to create a pattern that embraces the earth, raising up a hypergeometric city of Enoch as prison-palace for its slave-hosts? If such an immeasurable entity already dwells inside you, leaches off of you, manipulates you to carry out its plans, suddenly the horror once more turns personal while remaining cosmically inevitable and omnipresent."; i havent planned out what exactly the end-goal for Caine-as-Cosmic-Horror would be yet, im mostly just toying with presenting the Beast this way to spook my players a bit. the full-on cosmic horror stuff probably won't start until at least after the first story)

tl;dr less "the beast is the voice of your sire/parent/mentor/bully/whatever goading or encouraging you to feed/be violent", more "the beast is impersonal, while still encouraging you to act out, and even trying to goad you toward specific targets instead of just violence in general"

[supple quail]

ooo i like that a lot

reminds me of the vyskant from Spire

[high current]

time to look that up cause i own the spire books but never read that bit

[radiant marsh]

Pretty much. 'Pentex' is the holding company behind a whole bunch of shit. For precisely this reason.

Subsidiaries can take the heat or be severed to protect the whole, without any knowledge of what's actually directing everything.

[tough pebble]

I mean the idea is more that Pentex outscaling all other companies in evil by several margins undermines the message.

You don't have to be intentionally shoving banes into everything to destroy the environment utterly. If most of their evil is mundane evil that happens to serve their goals, rather than always direct Wyrm worship, not only does this serve the concept of being hard to trace back to Pentex (after reading more of the 5th books it seems the usual tipoff for Garou is that the subsidiary is stupidly prepared for werewolf encounters), but also re-emphasizes that you don't have to shred fomori flesh into burgers to fuck up the world.

[mighty zephyr]

Yeah in general 5th does point out that an actual regular oil company is likewise as vile as any Pentex front from a moral and ecological standpoint

[tough pebble]

A majority of the evil being the result of a giant hidden death cult worshipping decay itself kind of like. Softballs the whole moral quandary surrounding human existence that is meant to be core to WtA.

It refocuses most of the problem to being the result of an outside force acting on humans, rather than human decisions.

[hybrid dock]

tbf thats like
classic wod sometimes

sometimes there is a giant elder evil.

...and also sometimes there is human evil

[orchid void]

yah, you just use whichever of those works best for scaring your players

[hybrid dock]

"Nothing's more terrifying than the unknown"
"What about a really really big bear thats on fire"
"Shit that's pretty scary"

[rapid glacier]

Hey I used an evil hot sauce to scare one of my players

Go to war with what you got

[mighty zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-hot-sauce-face-powers-of-naughtiness-really-really-hot-gif-17804061

[rapid glacier]

Yeah see, Voy gets it

Speaking of hot sauce I’m so glad my group meets again this week, taking the holiday off sucks

I’d do WW every week if I could, I love this game to bits

[heady kestrel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snSMGDO_xK4

CW for Expected Dracula Flowisms

[radiant marsh]

Chat, is this Mage: the Ascension?

[nimble gale]

It definitely can be

[marble sorrel]

This is how the Void Engineers fuck with entropy mages

[mighty zephyr]

https://bsky.app/profile/diogooldskull.bsky.social/post/3m7apmgg7ys2i

Diogo Nogueira - Lead Game Designer - White Wolf (@diogooldskull.bsky.social)

So this happened…

I am White Wolf’s new Lead Game Designer!

I will figure out how to post the whole text here, but there is a picture with the announcement and the alt text has the full thing!

#TTRPG #RPGLATAM #VtM #WoD #DnD #NotDnD #ShowYourWork

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Bluesky · Dec 5, 2025, 2:38 PM

[rapid glacier]

He apparently had made some OSR stuff on a different label, all of which feel like it has the goal of being hyper specific niches of WoD, so this looks promising

[frank atlas]

Oh he did primal quest

[clear delta]

Oh, Brazilian!

[high current]

there was one(1) failed rouse check in the entire session, and it was when the coterie woke up

[vast blaze]

Stupid question

How would y'all build a Tremere that's just a reference to the Winter Warlock

The fuckin wizard from that one oldass stop-motion Christmas movie

[clear delta]

Explain more

[vast blaze]

What Disciplines allow one to manipulate ice like how Lure of Flame lets you manipulate fire, basically

[high current]

Koldunic Sorcery is the obvious one, if we're talking V5

doesnt look like there are any paths for it in older editions

[vast blaze]

Not V5, V20

[mighty zephyr]

That's nuts

Dio was doing that shit in the 80s

[clear delta]

Homebrew it is, then

[high current]

Jason Carl is leaving White Wolf

[olive laurel]

https://bsky.app/profile/opinionhaver.bsky.social/post/3m7l5rzt7pc2i

William B. Fuckley (@opinionhaver.bsky.social)

I appreciate how Ventrue abilities in the vampire game are, as benefits the management vampires, all about getting someone else to do combat for you.

Point at strongest goon, "kill your friends. now drop your gun. now forget I was here and turn your back to me. Thanks big guy, you're a rockstar"

Bluesky · Dec 9, 2025, 6:18 PM

[clear delta]

Thought: each project moon finger could exist as a faction in werewolf the forsaken

Thumb focusing on werewolf hierarchy

Index following some compilation of the wills of territories, made by devices reading essence currents

Middle really focusing on pack structure and sacred hunt

Ring as art werewolves
Who see a parallel in how the shadow and art represent the world

[violet sigil]

What about the pinky

[mighty zephyr]

Mimics

[clear delta]

You know how the human form fades in a crowd?

Something based on that, probably

A whole group of werewolves that can infiltrate other groups

Like a version of the guardians of the veil

Thumb werewolves using a lot of guns feels funny
"What are you gonna do, maul me like the dogs you are?"
-Person who got shot 10 times

[vast blaze]

...so we the party went out hunting for some weird fuckass bat-spider hybrid abomination thingy in today's session

Big nasty fucker, fast and tough and generally not fun to go up against

We ambushed it and killed it in a single round

The gun nut unloaded her shotgun into it and just fucking brutalized it thanks to getting three billion extra attacks from Celerity, I chunked off its health with my great big sword, and the Gangrel finished it off with her claws

The ST is now actively contemplating throwing Garou at us instead

[mighty zephyr]

That's combat in wod yeah

It's not really that good and making it a focus is usually doomed to fail

[worthy sundial]

well i see the st's problem, they gave u time to prep