"What does it mean to hunt something?" is a question that comes up in Werewolf and Hunter!
#World of Darkness
spice abyss
hybrid dock
i genuinely dont think this is true in relation to Predator
which focuses on physical shit
hybrid dock
ill need to read elsewhere but predator does a solid job of differentiating itself from tyrant or collector at least
spice abyss
A really funny take on Predator Hunger.
hybrid dock
insane shit
"pay me 100 bucks and i will make you fear for your life"
honestly i could see it
theres a game there
bizarre and niche but
mighty zephyr
BDSM
Better Damn Shmoove & Move
hybrid dock
@heady kestrel this one is SO FUNNY
GIRL IS A MIDDLE SCHOOLER AND HANGS OUT WITH HER BROOD MY GOD
i also really like
"she doesnt drown them (what kind of lesson would that teach) but she does just disappear under the water and make them think she drowned"
valid merlin
<@568619513399083031> this one is SO FUNNY
once again, the lesson seems to be don't try to save people who are drowning
hybrid dock
which like
fucked up i guess
no no alaen
she isnt drowning them
shes just making it look like she drowned
valid merlin
yeah she just makes them think they failed
spice abyss
Again, having to feed on Trauma.
hybrid dock
and then they get traumatized from watching a little girl drown
yeah
maybe this pushes them towards altruism later in life!
or maybe it scars them
idk
funny as fuck though
spice abyss
It's better than the Horror deciding how it gets to feed.
heady kestrel
<@568619513399083031> this one is SO FUNNY
AMAZING
sacred viper
once again, the lesson seems to be don't try to save people who are drowning
(This is not the last time this will show up in Beast)
sacred viper
(Weirdly common actually)
hybrid dock
Onyx Path HATES people who drown
mighty zephyr
Onyx Path!
sacred viper
SO TRUE
hybrid dock
oh right i forget this
sacred viper
He cries again, sobbing and reaching out from his car seat while they’re stuck in traffic. He holds out the book his mother has read for him thousands of times before. He wants her to read it again. “Not now, baby,” she says, but he doesn’t understand yet. He can’t hear the strain in her voice, only her telling him no. He screams, and she cringes. Reading the story book will make everything better. She wants him to be happy, doesn’t she? Doesn’t Mommy love him? He just doesn’t understand why she would say no. He just wants her to read to him. That’s all.
This is my favourite/most detested Beast example
spice abyss
From the Talassi, yes.
mighty zephyr
Love how this implies the beast feeds by causing traffic jams
sacred viper
It sticks in my mind, I hate, it's iconic
heady kestrel
Beast who feeds by merging without looking
clear delta
Also eager to see the Blind man
He is one of the big shot npcs, like the Chevalier among Hunters or the original Frankensteins
Only saw people mocking him
I gotta see what he's about
clear delta
"im da king of da highway"
This beast vs Bucephalus from Cain
spice abyss
Beast who feeds by merging without looking
Absolutely valid for some Hungers.
heady kestrel
"im da king of da highway"
their lair is like
an infinite liminal stretch of highway
or alternatively, their cramped car filled with fast food and other random junk
sacred viper
Also eager to see the Blind man
He is one of the big shot npcs, like the Chevali...
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The Blind Man’s blotted clothing is as result of a thick trail of what resemble fish eggs progressively leaking from his navel, urethra, and anus. Particularly around his navel area, a coagulated mass of pink and black eggs comes forth when the Blind Man strains his abdominal muscles. Horrifyingly, the Blind Man has from time to time passed these eggs off as salmon roe or sturgeon caviar, as they bear a sour, fishy odor. Those who consume his “produce” have their fertility dramatically increased, and gradually produce their own eggs in a similar fashion to the Blind Man, the only difference being that mortal-produced eggs possess a coat of thin white fur. This invariably drives the afflicted unfortunates insane, as they cannot stop the egg production, resulting in self-destructive harm. The Blind Man believes that by participating in the birthing, they increase the speed at which the Primogenitor will be reborn.
It’s rare for the Blind Man to reveal his true self, even preferring to remain in the form of an old man when inside a stolen Lair. It typically takes violence and great impoliteness for the Blind Man to appear in his Horrible Form; a wretched, flaky, yonic monstrosity coated in armies of shifting bugs and eggs. These insects and their ovum are constantly belched from a cavernous maw, roughly where the Insatiable’s stomach should be, as wispy layers of skin shed off and swirl in the breeze. Two small, button-like eyes are the only mundane elements to this otherwise alien form.
|| CW for just being gross, mpreg and oviposition, this is where people take issue with it
hybrid dock
oh this ones fun
i do like ogre
Beast they call in when they need to punish oathbreaking
oh thats actually kinda cute
@simple valley this ones really cute
clear delta
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The Blind Man’s blotted clothing is as result of a thick trail of what resemb...
Hm
A monster of self replication and birth is a cool concept
But the blind man doesn't feel fun
A plague that births insects
Wait that's just Black Grail
heady kestrel
||
The Blind Man’s blotted clothing is as result of a thick trail of what resemb...
that is fucked up body horror, and very extreme to just drop into what so far has been a mostly edgy but pg-13 affair
but honestly? I have seen worse
clear delta
Feels a bit boring, since he's just constantly emitting eggs and sometimes hiding them among food to infect people
Who then go bad from producing eggs nonstop
clear delta
Yeah, like how changelings use "corridors" mages have a hard time with
spice abyss
Beasts really are just Born Different.
clear delta
Bit odd to assume it's based on spiritual genetics
Considering how reincarnation or other factors can make someone different from normal
spice abyss
It's great.
Well, you know Mages.
They will try to fit something into their box of understanding.
clear delta
They will try to fit something into their box of understanding.
It's not their specialty, so I'm not sure on that
Could be the closest thing they were familiar with, but shrug.
hybrid dock
it might not be genetics but like
idk
my brain is stuck in nobilis terms so
something correlative
there are people who dream deep that correspond to beasts
and there are certainly beasts who claim never to have been human at all
heck, there are beasts that formed entirely spontaneously
clear delta
Los angeles in mage has people who dream into the temenos
heady kestrel
OOOO yea
heady kestrel
Bit odd to assume it's based on spiritual genetics
Considering how reincarnation...
to be fair
Mages can have bad theoriess a lot
mighty zephyr
Mages get really jealous when people do stuff easier than them
hybrid dock
theres something fucked up to being a soggier beast where you realize, for a moment, what you actually are and what youre really comfortable with.
But as it turns out the person you are and are comfortable being kinda horrifies you
theres something juicy there, probably
mighty zephyr
Ye that was the vibe Connie had
He welcomed his devouring like he was finally complete
hybrid dock
yeah
clear delta
Vampire: What the fuck is wrong with you!?
If you get a vampire to react like that, ho boy
hybrid dock
Yeah wow haha yeah wow
clear delta
Strix: If no one got me, I know beast bros got me!
hybrid dock
LMAO
Beast and strix hanging out
“Can’t stand their fake ass”
5 minutes later
“Me and bestie!!!!”
hybrid dock
LMAO
tidal creek
So I've got a friend who's building a MUSH-like game server for a V20 campaign using Godot--launch is scheduled for next week, if anyone is interested
I've been lookin gfor the appropriate place to put a more formal invitation/writeup, but it's been a while since I've hung out in here.
heady kestrel
Beast that if you talk to them during the first mission they just show up randomly for the rest of the campaign
hybrid dock
god this is kinda a good portrayal of a beast
something....horrifying
sitting there
to join you in the feast
something thats worse than you
heady kestrel
jesus
christ
hybrid dock
okay yeah
If Beasts are honest, they admit
they use the concept of “lessons” to make what they
do more palatable.
It's mostly a cope that some beasts take more seriously than others
still cringe-
like im gonna be honest
beasts
you cant keep whining that heroes are taking the wrong lessons from the teachings of fear
when like
"Oh btw yeah not killing someone is optional"
clear delta
I'm surprised beast doesn't involve a lot of trying to mess around with the temenos, comsidering the idea of teaching humans lessons
mighty zephyr
I'm surprised beast doesn't involve a lot of trying to mess around with the teme...
It does
clear delta
Oh astral terraforming?
clear delta
Isn't lair rooms in like the primordial dream by default?
clear delta
Ah meant more messing around with temenos realms besides that
clear delta
Think my question is poorly worded or needs to be rethought, so I will stop
hybrid dock
Accidentally being caught and bound by a mage doing astral plane shit
“I’m not a cool legendary pokemon let me out”
“Okay but have you considered-“
“No”
mighty zephyr
Think my question is poorly worded or needs to be rethought, so I will stop
Its not poorly worded
Its just that is foundationally how Beast engages with the entirety of its metaphysics
The Dream is the Temenenos
Or at least they overlap enough
barren vortex
What do you think happens if you bust through the wall of your lair
first thing that comes to mind is a beast walking through the wall of their dream lair like the eric andre bit
hybrid dock
clear delta
Its not poorly worded
Its just that is foundationally how Beast engages with th...
Yesh was wondering if they like
Went around cultural realms doing something in particular
Since their whole thing is "teaching", but seems mostly based on affecting humans and their personal dreams
mighty zephyr
They can
Just they dont go too far into ot other than "yes beasts can do like Mages and go asploring"
The main way they writ things at large is by increasing their Lair and Legend
clear delta
A beast getting on the throne of alkahest could be disasteous
clear delta
Oh yeah, remembered a thing I thought before
If a Beast could use chambers formed by without their feeding to investigate crimes against people
hybrid dock
okay so this will probably be answered later on in the book
but when youre fairly satiated...are you able to...for lack of a better word "control" your horror's "body" in the lair?
Or are you mainly stuck in your little Beast flesh body of the material world
-# also man the way the book portrays heroes is so...boring
-# i'm excited to read conquering heroes after this
clear delta
Apparently, max satiety can put your horror to sleep
heady kestrel
-# also man the way the book portrays heroes is so...boring
-# i'm excited to re...
revenge of the nerds jock ah charecter writing
(refrencing someone else for this joke)
clear delta
Otherwise high satiety just makes it less aggressive? And like low satiety makes you stronger
heady kestrel
Apparently, max satiety can put your horror to sleep
sleegy guy
The levithan is doing a big yawn, and needs a nap
clear delta
Hm fire beast that just
Really likes burning things
But is a good person otherwise
mighty zephyr
but when youre fairly satiated...are you able to...for lack of a better word "co...
Your horror is you for one
hybrid dock
Ye
mighty zephyr
For two it is generally less liable to immediately try to kill something that enters the lair the higher it satiety
hybrid dock
Mhm mhm
I guess what I’m asking is, are you…able to…control it like you would your player character in any way
mighty zephyr
And when you go into your lair your horror rushes to join you
hybrid dock
Or is it just sorta….ah
mighty zephyr
Yes
hybrid dock
Oh?
mighty zephyr
It has stats and it is you
mighty zephyr
When you go into your lair you become it
hybrid dock
YESSSS
YEASSSSSSSS
GOOD
okay that makes me happy
Also because I’m me,
Christian ugallu girl who has a catholic guilt angelic horror shtick going on
Easy hunger for punishment
mighty zephyr
hybrid dock
Also https://youtu.be/lu8i-OyjLYk?si=1u_jfQFDApKf5T_M
oh i havent seen this
mighty zephyr
Its Limbus company music
mighty zephyr
Its also
hybrid dock
oh good music
mighty zephyr
Fantastic catholic rage
hybrid dock
yeah yeah yeah
mighty zephyr
Its really good when you hear it switch to the second half
clear delta
Also because I’m me,
Christian ugallu girl who has a catholic guilt angelic hor...
I should've been thy Adam, but rather, I am the fallen angel
hybrid dock
theres an angle of like
Punishing sin but picking a specific sin to be the guardian of
sending out nightmares of hellfire and clouds and spears from above
wings fluttering
mighty zephyr
Man
clear delta
Its really good when you hear it switch to the second half
It's a pity how fast the roguelike encounter ends
hybrid dock
the sky breaking
mighty zephyr
Realm of Darkness works so well for beast
hybrid dock
oh DAMN this music is hitting
hybrid dock
that too but hes mostly just down bad
though
the red robed figures chanting "MEA CULPA" is really good
god voy this music IS SO GOOD
im remebering why angels are my gender because of this
clear delta
Oh mili is a good music producer
She made many boss songs for project moon
hybrid dock
goood shit
mighty zephyr
And all of them slap
mighty zephyr
Also Mili is a band not the woman, iirc
clear delta
Also Mili is a band not the woman, iirc
Ah I see
Also, another great song is Through Patches of Violet
mighty zephyr
Cassie Wei is the singer iirc
clear delta
Also, another great song is Through Patches of Violet
The sheer self loathing and issues of the two characters the song is about
clear delta
hybrid dock
Tyrant Anakim "da king of da highway"
hybrid dock
oh is this what you use for abyssal creatures if you wanna splash and play with them
spice abyss
Yep yep.
mighty zephyr
"Guys I can talk down the abyssal horror, I just need an innocent person"
hybrid dock
seer who uses a Beast for cleanup duty
"WHY DID YOU ADD THE ABYSSAL HORROR TO YOUR BROOD"
"HE WAS CUTE!!!"
"WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU"
hybrid dock
oh my goodness beast might be -
I think i really really like beast
heady kestrel
I think the funniest genre of beast jokes is like
“Beast that has an INSANE family tie”
Like a fucking pandoran
mighty zephyr
Do you mean Pangean?
heady kestrel
Do you mean Pangean?
No
The Promethan antagonist splat
Pandorans are creatures spawned when a Promethean's creation rite goes horribly wrong. Instead of creating a whole Promethean, the process transforms pieces of the reassembled corpse into small living creatures of a variety of shapes and abilities.
They need to feed on Azoth to continue… being animate
But they can spend super long amounts of time Dormant
And then get woken up by like, a Firestorm
Presumably if you have family ties to one, it has enough of a reliable feeding method that it can stay awake when there isn’t an active Promethan situation in town
And I just think its really funny to have like “one of those motherfuckers from the video game Grime” as one of your buddies
mighty zephyr
Oh those guys
heady kestrel
There are certain types that can metabolize human pyros
Inefficiently but… anything is more efficient than “wait to get woken up by Promethan disquiet”
marble sorrel
Beast would be an intriguing game to see get an oWoD version ala how Changeling and Demon made the transition from oWoD to nWoD. See what is done with the absolute broadest of strokes of the concept of 'playing an X'.
clear delta
Is the difference between beast and hero absolute?
spice abyss
Yes actually.
So imagine the Primordial Dream as an ocean.
Damn I could have made a Alan Wake joke there if I planned.
Oh well.
Anyways.
Both Beasts and Heroes can feel what's going on in this ocean, and to an extent they can control what's happening.
The difference lies in the control.
A Beast dives deep, but its scale is ultimately limited. They can do some tremendously impressive thing, but it's at best going to be to a few people.
With the strongest (Apex) being able to hit an entire town or city.
Heroes do not have the same depth of power. They can't do as many of the impressive, supernatural feats a Beast can.
But this shallow breadth of power means a massive amount of influence. Even a basic Hero who's just coming into their own can rile up a whole town with ease, and the most proficient Heroes can define entire bloodlines of Beasts for generations to come.
That is the true difference between them.
hybrid dock
The enemies to lovers arcs for beasts and heroes gotta go CRAZY
clear delta
So a beast cult with a hero second in command can be very effective
spice abyss
It is, in fact, seemingly how the Beast/Hero relationship is supposed to go.
clear delta
Probably with the addition of the hero occasionally using a rolled up newspaper on their boss
Anathema: Rolled-up newspaper
Hm
If we take Jungian psychology, you could parallel the exploration of the unconscious
Though you'd maybe need to workshop some things
The shadow and other such things are already hostile and mysterious archetypes, so that can be linked to Beasts
clear delta
From what I heard, Heroes were supposed to face/meet Beasts for wisdom to bring back to civilization?
A bit of an alternate take on mtaw dreamspeakers
spice abyss
Especially since Heroes can forcibly open Lairs, yes.
clear delta
I think reading up on the Jungian take on neurosis could be an interesting way to answer what went wrong
I remember Jung using godzilla as a symbol of things going wrong in humanity's relationship to its thoughts
Anyway, using beasts and heroes as a mechanism to the functioning of the deeper astral areas can be an interesting purpose to them like Werewolf and Geist have
spice abyss
Beasts and Heroes can also use Lairs to enter the other places.
You can get into the Shadow and the Hedge through Lairs if you know what you're doing.
clear delta
You could do a thing where you use your lair to metaphorically impose your narrative on a place, and people dragged into the lair explore that place through this lens?
hybrid dock
You can get into the Shadow and the Hedge through Lairs if you know what you're ...
Oh shit???
clear delta
Beasts, demons and mages are the kinda people to break into other spooks' realms
spice abyss
You could do a thing where you use your lair to metaphorically impose your narra...
Correct!
spice abyss
Oh shit???
Oh yeah, Beasts can just go places.
hybrid dock
Oh I know about the skeleton key
But like
I assumed that was for preexisting places
Beasts can just go??
spice abyss
Beasts can just go
hybrid dock
Beasts, demons and mages are the kinda people to break into other spooks' realms
They really are
hybrid dock
Beasts can just *go*
That’s so funny
I think I love beasts
Guys I think I like beast
This is so fucked up
clear delta
Hm hm hm
I can see beasts and heroes being meant to be a mechanism to impose sense/a model on the world, specially dangers and mysteries
mighty zephyr
I forget
what happens if multiple beasts do lair drops at the same time
What happens if you hit 'em with the
clear delta
Sukuna the Apex
mighty zephyr
Still not entirely sure what Yuji and Sukuna count as
I don't think there's a splat explaination
clear delta
Sukuna does seem to possess and claim
Yuji is just built different, making him good at containing sukuna
Now for what thing sukuna is
Could go with powerful ghost
Could go with how humans can become immortal by becoming spirits
He could be a lich too
The vibe for curses makes me lean spirit or ghost
mighty zephyr
Cursed Spirits are sorta both
Especially since they can be "naturally occuring" or be made on a Sorcerer's death
hybrid dock
yeah
though some of the big ones make me lean towards spirit
since theyre representative of natural forces....though
then again
theyre also the fears of those natural forces too
the big 3 were cute
i miss em
mighty zephyr
Jogo is a Spirit
This is a Ghost
hybrid dock
mhm mhm
clear delta
Hm hm hm
I can see beasts and heroes being meant to be a mechanism to impose sen...
Plus the whole chamber creation and addition thing
If you wanna thread a perspective/understanding that you build over time
And so modern beasts and heroes could play with things like news media, video essays, or even anonymous rumors
Nightmare of the city
Plague of the city
Star of the city
hybrid dock
Ugallu tyrant thats like
A giant flying drone
With a thousand camera lens eyes
watching you
Robot panopticon
mighty zephyr
I think that's an example Ugallu
clear delta
Beasts seem to just make literal cults, but would be interesting to see other cultural movements
clear delta
I’m still losing my mind at “the perfidious ugallu”
I'll be honest
Juggalo just comes to mimd
sacred viper
Still not entirely sure what Yuji and Sukuna count as
You can probaly buidl em in Deviant if you squint a little
sacred viper
What happens if you hit 'em with the
Reading the rules rn and I thiiiink you just end up connecting your Lairs together
Cause like doing a Lair Drop is essentially making it that
A = physical place in reality
B= Chamber in Beast's 1 Lair
C= Chamber in Beast's 2 Lair
Then when B1 does a "lair drop" then A=B and then if B2 tries to do it too then its A=C
So A=B=C -> B=C
hybrid dock
So, unless I’m wrong, it’s surprisingly reasonable for a beast to live inside their own Lair
mighty zephyr
So, unless I’m wrong, it’s surprisingly reasonable for a beast to *live* inside ...
It is though its usually the mark of a beast who's going nutso
hybrid dock
Oh
I suppose
“Technically the haunted office building chamber of my lair has a working mini fridge and electricity so I keep my groceries there”
See that’s the big question voy
Can I bring my groceries into my lair
My Costco bag
mighty zephyr
WoD-ism that the instant a supernatural goes "oh I should isolate myself entirely to simply the supernatural" is when they are about to hop clear off the deep end
mighty zephyr
Can I bring my groceries into my lair
Also yes, there is a merit specifically for this
I think its called Well-Stocked Lair
It let's you sustain guests too
clear delta
https://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/main-forum/the-new-world-of-da...
In its few free moments, the River Tyrant idly hopes that the river that hosts its glorious rebirth will be the Yangtze. There’d be a nice poetry to that.
That's kinda cute? Or something lile that
"Man it'd be so cool if my plan went off there"
hybrid dock
I think its called Well-Stocked Lair
Is this merit in the player guide
Cus I didn’t see it in the core book
mighty zephyr
Yis
hybrid dock
Epicccc
hybrid dock
oh ineresting
...thanks awful typing
interesting
nightmares benefit from high satiety while atavisms benefit from starvation
clear delta
Thinking about the blood talon's oath still trips me up sometimes
"Offer no surrender that you would not accept"
heady kestrel
That Is Not Your Hand(Pandoran)
Its eyes are wide open, ITS FINALLY AWAKE. It wants to be free! It Hates You! You Can't Trust It. It Was Asleep But Now It Is Awake And It Cannot Be Trusted.
Dice Pool: Presence+Satiety vs Composure+Supernatural Tolerance
Normal: The target becomes utterly convinced that their dominant hand is a separate, sapient entity that is actively working against them. They must spend 1 willpower to do any action that requires both hands.
High Satiety: This effects both hands instead, and they must spend a willpower to do any action involving their hands instead.
Satiety Expenditure: Instead of the normal effect, the target is forced to make a grappling roll against themselves, treating the first roll they make as "The Hand" and the other as "Themselves". You make decision for "The Hand" during the course of the grapple. This continues until they successfully damage or restrain "Their Hand", effecting themselves in the process. If you have High Satiety, "The Hand" has a +2 bonus on grappling rolls.
Exceptional Success: The target gains the Delusional Condition, convinced that their hand is against them even after the nightmare ends
Hey I actually went and made a Pandoran Kindred Nightmare
It might be unbalanced, but I am proud of "Pandoran Kindred Nightmare that makes you hallucinate that your Hand is going against you, and if you expend satiety it actually does go against you"
Might make a Strx one soon if I can think of a good premise for one
hybrid dock
love that this one is a buff
like
if you expend satiety
you can use the exhilarating nightmarish terror to make someone do something Better
hybrid dock
```
That Is Not Your Hand(Pandoran)
Its eyes are wide open, ITS FINALLY AWAKE. ...
oh fuck yeah
oh my god beasts are terrifying
"hey, if youre a mage? die"
mighty zephyr
love that this one is a buff
This is actually incredibly worse
Since it means you use your entire turn to roll perception
hybrid dock
this is true
however if theyve got an extended action going on
that ones easier
"oh hey are you having trouble hacking into that computer? here let me help" INFLICTS MORTAL TERROR
mighty zephyr
"oh hey are you having trouble hacking into that computer? here let me help" **I...
Average middle manager
hybrid dock
so true
honestly a solid way for a tyrant to eeke out a bit more satiety by spending satiety
making your employee terrified of you by looking over their shoulder or tapping their shoulder as they work
buffing their work and also making them fucking scared
spice abyss
This is what one of my Beast Players did, yes.
spice abyss
Yeah, it's one of my favorites for a reason.
hybrid dock
It’s quickly becoming one of mine
Because I’m me I really want to write a beast crushing on a hero(the beast just as baffled about it this crush as well) because that dynamic sounds really really juicy
But I need to read more about heroes to comprehend the requisite implications
grave gulch
What's a lodge? 
clear delta
Lodge initiations can be extreme haha
"You must be buried alive for 72 hours"
"You must be put in a funeral pyre and lit up"
orchid void
Gauru are fucking tough so go crazyham and test their mettle!!!
clear delta
Found what I was looking for
Lodge of the hungry ghosts, a Japanese lodge that gets along with spirits
Fortunate I thought to search for it. I was wondering about how werewolves surrender themselves to Toad hosts to calm their rage, and wondering what healthy ways they have to control themselves
And read that this lodge's ability to have calm negotiations can be used on werewolves
That or the lodge's members are just calmer themselves instead of calming other werewolves
orchid void
There’s sooo many fun wrinkles to the Rage-As-Constant the splatbooks poke at isn’t there?
clear delta
I imagine Fetishes for calming down or managing aggression are a common creation
clear delta
Gauru are fucking tough so go crazyham and test their mettle!!!
Oh garou is how wta wolves were called
Wtf wolves are called uratha, but their middle form is called gauru
hybrid dock
Steal not more than a seventeenth of another's wealth
Hold all spoken vows honestly
Do not harm someone more than threefold what they deserve```
Thinking about rules for an ugallu nemesisWerewolves have a hard time of it yeah
Not only do they gotta deal with their new temper, they have a hard time relating to humans
So they get really focused on their packs
marble sorrel
Looking over Hart Wardens, they feel...a bit dull. You can really sorta tell they had to strip all the Fianna-ness out of them.
clear delta
Looking over Hart Wardens, they feel...a bit dull. You can really sorta tell the...
What happen? Not keeping up with apocalypse
marble sorrel
What happen? Not keeping up with apocalypse
In oWoD they were the Fianna, based on ancient Irish warrior bands associated with wolves and stories of people who can turn into wolves (Making them kinda a natural fit for one of the Werewolf groups). The mythological Fianna are famously...very melodramatic. Their stories are about warrior bards who who party and fight evil and get into dumbass strife all the time. So the werewolf version had a lot of that personality.
Hart Wardens are the nWoD version, where they stripped out the cultural aspects and made them 'They defend parts of nature from harm', which is...that's the Default Werewolf Deal. Oh but they're also very loyal which is...also the default werewolf thing as they're all about tribes and packs and such...they sorta lost most of their identity that's distinctly them.
clear delta
Oh must've missed them while looking over forsaken stuff
That's unfortunate
nimble gale
well, it's W5, not nWoD, but the fifth edition of hte owod stuff tends to have more in commong with nwod than owod
marble sorrel
Oh right, W5 isn't technically nWoD it's...there is too many WoDs.
It's the new world of darkness but not new world of darkness...urg
Iki staring at WoD versions that are not new editions but are entirely different games.
clear delta
I feel like I'm weird for not getting confused/mixed up on the versions
high current
this is why they renamed nwod to cofd 
clear delta
It's the new world of darkness but not new world of darkness...urg
Call it new owod
nimble gale
there's owod, nwod, cwod, clwod, wod5 :D
hybrid dock
This sounds like halo elite dialogue
sacred viper
wort wort wort wort
hybrid dock
Hey beast pov sometimes those disturbances are you murdering people.
I-I don’t think you can say “this ain’t about you” actually.
Actually I think it’s morally good to track down the site of someone’s random supernatural trauma that just happened a couple days ago that seems prudent.
“This ain’t about you” you kill people????
Beasts will really say “here comes the woke mob coming to cancel me for killing and eating people”
clear delta
I think that holding beasts back from doing too much shit is in fact one of the proper purposes of heroes besides bringing back wisdom
hybrid dock
Yeah
Y’know
Maybe killing the monster that hurts and torments people is like
Y’know
Justifiable
clear delta
Again
Anathema: rolled up newspaper
hybrid dock
Considering what beasts can do without having a balance???
Like, some of the only practical reasons to not simply torture and consume as much as you want is because it attracts heroes
Heroes implicitly, even without being nearby, regulate feeding habits
heady kestrel
Beasts will really say “here comes the woke mob coming to cancel me for killing ...
Hey! They wouldn’t say woke!
They would call the mob fascist for stopping them from killing and eating people
hybrid dock
The only reason beasts don’t just grab someone to torture forever and ever is because it attracts heroes!!!!
clear delta
On that note, I wish beasts inherently had weaknesses and heroes instead gained powers based on their quarry
Would fit the idea of heroes gaining wisdom from beasts
hybrid dock
Ooo that is fun
I don’t hate anathemas
Since they also encourage you to be starving or really satiated and teach you to avoid the middle
clear delta
I like mythological weaknesses, so having players pick and customize them to some extent would really help build the character
hybrid dock
Heroes implicitly, even without being nearby, regulate feeding habits
Like actually this is pretty important considering how horrible an unchecked beast can become
hybrid dock
I like mythological weaknesses, so having players pick and customize them to som...
Augh that is also really true
clear delta
Like how storm gods often faced dragons
So dragon with a lightning weakness
marble sorrel
My concern with Anaethemas is well...the issue with Corebook Heroes.
That they sorta play into 'This isn't a real weakness, it's a bad thing the mean guy put on you'
mighty zephyr
Anathema should be easier to put on you
clear delta
And beasts can learn nightmares from others
So heroes should also gain this ability to adapt and gain new powers
hybrid dock
Anathema should be easier to put on you
So true actually
clear delta
Since they also encourage you to be starving or really satiated and teach you to...
COuld still have satiety affect the weaknesses. It would make sense
hybrid dock
Ooooo
mighty zephyr
It does, I think
marble sorrel
ironically, Anathema would fit as written very well in Old world of darkness. Where reality was more of a collective belief. Spreading that belief through the human subconscious until it becomes a part of reality.
hybrid dock
As you’re more and more satiated, weaknesses matter more as the nightmare you represent gets more picky about things
heady kestrel
The only reason beasts don’t just grab someone to torture forever and ever is be...
Beasts when someone regulates their behavior:
“this is so fucked up”
heady kestrel
Ima be real I feel like beasts would still be pissed if the heroes just yelled at them instead of killing them
mighty zephyr
ironically, Anathema would fit as written very well in *Old* world of darkness. ...
This is just the Mage PoV though, that's not how most reality worrks
hybrid dock
Ima be real I feel like beasts would still be pissed if the heroes just yelled a...
“Ugh you don’t get it!!! You’re missing the point!!! We’re teaching lessons!!”
heady kestrel
Like they would be the weird blue/orange morality entites that hold grudges for hundreds of years
Even if the heroes were “working as intended”
Or well, beasts aren’t immortal, but that’s the vibe
hybrid dock
They can live for a while
Every dot above 5 in lair adds, by default, 50 years to their lifespan
So a strong beast can live for…a while
mighty zephyr
Beasts can become Immortal
mighty zephyr
If they become a Legend
clear delta
This is just the Mage PoV though, that's not how most reality worrks
There's the triat and god
It was a big complex fusion of cosmologies
hybrid dock
Still on the corebook but I’m nearly done
mighty zephyr
The cosmologies were mostly just like
"Half triat, half Abrahamic god"
and then nothing done to weld those together
clear delta
I think beast and hero fights should just be both sides bulshitting nonstop to mess with the narrative
Public opinion swinging like ping pong
sacred viper
Heroes need to be stronger
hybrid dock
I like heroes a lot
heady kestrel
To put something that has been on my mind in a more flowery…
Beasts, as a collective entity, represent that there monsters in those woods. That the world is dark, that just as much as you should be respectful, you should be afraid.
The truth they represent, the lesson they teach, is abusive and cynical.
And a long time ago, that made sense as an approach to take to the world, because you didn’t really have any other choice.
That people like that that mythical figures like that deserve respect, worship even.
So that is what Heroes did
Now, with the rise of modernity and mass media and actual psychology, people don’t think Zeus and Hera were justified in most of the shit they did, you think Polyphemus and Scylla are gonna get away with it?
We can talk about how we must learn to respect these wicked, powerful creatures of the world and learn the ramifications of their actions
Or We Could Handle The Fucking Problem
clear delta
Oh. Could let heroes have four "slots" for fighting styles. As they hunt beasts, they develop skills and powers to fill these styles, and can replace some features
Newbie heroes are unpredictable but weak/unskilled
Experienced heroes are gonna keep most of their repertorie static, but are very good at using it
clear delta
Oh I see. THought they were focused on anathema
I'll wait for her Karen to hit the hero section
hybrid dock
Still reading through it yeah
I’m given to understand that anathemas aren’t their only weapon tho
They do seem to have a variety of powerful abilities (not elaborated on yet)
And also get stronger if they kill a Beast
clear delta
THought only if they do kill, and not during the hunt
marble sorrel
Honestly, their abilities are...not that impressive. Like the Hero vs Beast thing is heavily weighed towards the beast.
Anaethemas are nice but beasts sorta lack a 'generic' weakness like a lot of splats so it kinda just gets them to the starting line vs 'I'm hunting werewolves, I know I need silver'
heady kestrel
The angry mob rules, when I skimmed them, seem pretty good
They get mini Exalted War
clear delta
Since heroes dream wide, it seems like giving them a wider/more adaptable version of the Beasts' nightmares
Oh, do they have any powers related to mobs besides whiping them up?
heady kestrel
They can basically treat the Mob as a resource token economy
Each person in the mob can give the hero +1 to actions
Whenever someone in the mob dies the hero gets +3 to their next action(stacks)
The mob can take hits in the heroes stead
clear delta
Ugh. I'm getting interested in beast, but might be uncomfortable to read it
Hm, I opened that online review that's heavily against beast
The mention that heroes are paranoid is interesting
If beasts are fear and trauma, heroes being based on being fearful and defensive is thematic. Also kinda reminds me of how spirit focused splats like ithaeurs or bone shadows take to routine rituals and taboos, being eccentric and in the case of ithaeurs, anxious
Do heroes get a Lair/Chamber equivalent?
heady kestrel
I do feel like heroes could do with a power boost via having a central stat
heady kestrel
I also feel like heroes probably shouldn’t use integrity
hybrid dock
I actually quite like the integrity idea in concept
sacred viper
Heroes need to be stronger
Imagine you manage to kill a dude who has a Domain Expansion on command and all you get is 2/0 Armor when fighting against specifically against more of those guys 🥀
hybrid dock
That the weirder and more assholeish heroes are gonna be lower integrity
Because they’re not actually like, doing okay
I just wish higher integrity heroes participated rather than “oh they act like good little heroes and ignore the echoes of the primordial”
I’m gonna be real it’s morally okay to check out what the fuck a beast is doing
hybrid dock
I just wish higher integrity heroes participated rather than “oh they act like g...
Idk maybe higher integrity heroes can have a focus on something else
hybrid dock
Hmmmmm
sacred viper
Imagine you manage to kill a dude who has a Domain Expansion on command and all ...
I do like stuff like Saint's Whisper or Loremaster as Gifts tho, would have appreciated more of those
mighty zephyr
Their morality is over writ by The Story
sacred viper
There's a fan rewrite of Beast I have a pdf of I need to check
hybrid dock
I do just like that “actually unlike beasts THEY have a morality stat” but
Hm
I shall continue reading
heady kestrel
I think they should have an Honor stat or something
They have a Code That Hero Follows or All Heroes Follow, and Breaking that Code a lot marks them out as a Bad Hero
Like they have a morality stat
But it works like the morality of a fictional character
They don’t get traumatized they fall from grace
And Low Honor Heroes are basically the same as low integrity heroes
But high honor heroes are like having a fucking Paladin on your ass
hybrid dock
Okay yeah heroes get a bunch of gifts they can acquire
Kinslayer is funny since it targets supernaturals the beast is friends with
sacred viper
I think the best model for what heroes should be is probaly Melanie
heady kestrel
Melanie?
sacred viper
The Sleeping Beauty
The girl in a coma with a family that loves her, who shows up to assist Heroes in Beasts Lair as a weird ghost dream Stand and with every slain Beast is recovering from her coma
clear delta
I like the idea of a beast and hero gaining powers from fighting each other
Make them shonen rivals. Or a face and heel in wrestling terms
And also lets them level up without killing, plus avoiding heroes arguing about who gets a kill
A beast and hero who are cooperating can be more symbiotic. A beast attacks a person but is fought off by a hero. The beast feeds, the hero become stronger. The person probably becomes more careful
And maybe make the heroes able to recover fast.
So while beasts are mighty and destructive
The hero can keep coming back
That also lets you have good recurring enemies for the ST to play with
And is fitting for stories.
The nadir, the worst and hashest moment. Before the hero makes a comeback.
heady kestrel
Heroes are good at recovering fast already
They heal a bashing every 10 minutes, a lethal every day, and an aggravated every 3
sacred viper
Low HP but high regen
clear delta
Oh that's the issue
hybrid dock
They’ve got a naturally high regen yeah
sacred viper
Beasts are also, if willing to spend Satiety, probaly the best fuckers in all of WoD at healing real fast
clear delta
I thought they were durable rather than regenerators
clear delta
So you have to specifically double tap
Okay that's a bit funny
The beast is some big ogre but it's the lil human who got to be double tapped orr they crawl away to be a pain again
mighty zephyr
Beasts are pretty easy to murder at least
clear delta
Ugh. Yeah I should read it. I just haven't added to my stock of cofd books in a while
I tried to at least get a sense through others but that really doesn't get the meachanics across
mighty zephyr
Because outside of the lair, they're as fragile as a person
mighty zephyr
and a person can get assassinated pretty easy in CofD
hybrid dock
Mhm mhm
hybrid dock
Because outside of the lair, they're as fragile as a person
Well there is the weird super regen atavism but yeah
That’s more
A specific type of beast
clear delta
Because outside of the lair, they're as fragile as a person
That looks a bit odd. Since beasts are all about being these strong monsters
So are they more like glass cannons?
mighty zephyr
No
Just they aren't like Werewolves and Vampires where they are always 100% super durable
they gotta turn that on
hybrid dock
Their durability is specific to their lair forms and stuff
clear delta
Ah, so toggle based
clear delta
Okay so
Heroes are regenerators and don't bleed out. They only get stronger from killing beasts, and through their wide dream connection can detect beasts and whip up mobs
THey can place weakness on beasts, and their powers from leveling up are varied but maybe not strong enough
That's their deal?
heady kestrel
Yeah
Also the book says they are glory hounds that no one likes despite simultaneously making them psychically charismatic
mighty zephyr
The charisma doesn't really work on supernaturals
including Hunters on a Vigil, seemingly
clear delta
They don't have a domain expansion, but someone probably homebrewed it
Would be cool if they had a personal trauma chamber to deploy
mighty zephyr
A Hero Gift where they can take over a Chamber makes perfect sense tbh
clear delta
The charisma doesn't really work on supernaturals
Ah, a parallel to beast's kinship
Though they probably don't get along with demons too
Doesn't stop some Freeshooter hunter from probably existing
sacred viper
Beasts are also, if willing to spend Satiety, probaly the best fuckers in all of...
Beasts can enter their Lairs, merge with the Horrors,
and repair their bodies very quickly. This leaves them hungry,
however. A Beast in her Lair can spend one point of Satiety to
heal all bashing damage; three points of lethal damage, or one
point of aggravated damage. If the Beast currently has multiple
types of damage, the player chooses which to heal, but can’t heal
different types with one expenditure. For example, a Beast with
three points of aggravated damage and two lethal damage would
have to spend four dots of Satiety (one for each aggravated and
one for the lethal) to heal it all.
marble sorrel
The 'even hunters don't like them' feels like it's from the wrong edition of hunter, as they don't have any supernatural backing built in in nWoD
clear delta
Honestly, starting to like heroes, or at least what they could be
Some poor traumatized bastard who keeps detecting literal nightmare monsters and wants to make sure they won't hurt them or others seems like a fun concept
clear delta
https://i.imgur.com/1rBcTlE.png
Nice. Been thinking of some rifle gadget for a demon to offer in a deal. That seems like a fun hero concept
heady kestrel
Hero and Inquisitor Demon team up…..
clear delta
Oh some heroes want to be like mummies to hunt beasts forever, apparently. Mummies think that's a bad idea
heady kestrel
Would go hard tbh
sacred viper
Would be
Oh idk if it has been talked before but I still find it funny how the example Beast char is a lonely pensioner
clear delta
Heroes don't get the life extension beasts get, I imagine
mighty zephyr
They might if they get enough kills
hybrid dock
Immortal hero is really funny
heady kestrel
Hero who can spend 1 Willpower to come back from the dead like certain splats can spend other stats
clear delta
They might if they get enough kills
Oh that's a gift?
heady kestrel
SAINT GEORGE
THE DRAGONSLAYER
mighty zephyr
No, but it could be
clear delta
I like this
Ancient knight sitting in a monastery, leaving when detecting disturbances
hybrid dock
“YOU KNOW HIM, YOU LOVE HIM, HES NOBODY, HES EVERYBODY! THATS RIGHT, ODYSSEUS!!!”
“HES BACK AND READY FOR MORE”
heady kestrel
There is at least one Hero who is also part of a half splat
So that is another really funny way to make heroes, and they even have a special gift for heroes like that which force your Found Family to choose between their Ties to The Beasts and their ties to Their Original Splat
hybrid dock
Even beasts getting caught up in “oh that’s a famous dude I wanna say hi”
Beast taking a selfie with the legendary Odysseus
mighty zephyr
Yeah there's a Hero that's a Proximi
clear delta
"Please autograph my tail"
"One time he threw me trhough seven houses. It was awesome"
heady kestrel
Like you can have a Wolf Blooded Hero who who keeps their wild blooded powers as a gift and tries to stop beasts from subverting werewolf packs
Or a Fey Bound hero that jumpscares you by going Through The Hedge to chase you
rapid glacier
Do wolf blooded actually get anything in ChoD? I thought it was just “this mortal as flagged as potential violent furry”
clear delta
You know, instead of Ego
You really could emphasize fear and danger response in what motivates and shapes their actions
Like they're a mix of wound and trauma response of the Primordial Dream
Or give them some empathy sense that sweeps them in emotions, and lets them reinforce emotions. Which leads to the charisma and mobs
mighty zephyr
Do wolf blooded actually get anything in ChoD? I thought it was just “this morta...
They get Tells
clear delta
Do wolf blooded actually get anything in ChoD? I thought it was just “this morta...
Yes. They get so much weird stuff
You can be born with a sentient pelt
mighty zephyr
Which are the old folklore "signs someone is a werewolf"
like hair under their skin
clear delta
The pelt turns you into a wolf, and wants you to talk walkies frequently
mighty zephyr
or spindly fingers
hybrid dock
You know, instead of Ego
You really could emphasize fear and danger response in ...
Yeah fr
rapid glacier
Oh word I didn’t know that about the weird gifts, the tells make sense though, that stuff is in W5 for someone who hasn’t changed yet
clear delta
Third nipple gives you an essence source
rapid glacier
So they’re like chronicles of darkness thin-bloods, Werewolf flavor?
mighty zephyr
Ehhh nah
hybrid dock
Yeah fr
Heroes as the trauma response from the collective unconscious like, tracks perfectly to me
mighty zephyr
They're closer to Kin-Folk but meant to be as cool as Ghouls
hybrid dock
Since that’s kinda what they do, functionally
They trail the echoes and screams of torment in the primordial dream
The signs of someone experiencing horror and terror
rapid glacier
They're closer to Kin-Folk but meant to be as cool as Ghouls
Honestly still pretty rad, I’ve introduced something like that in my home game of W5 with human occultists and such
mighty zephyr
Ye, W5 is good for that
rapid glacier
Getting a lot of mileage out of my BoHN inspirations
clear delta
Wolf blooded are also an important support to packs
They are more calm, can hold jobs and manage things while werewolves have unstable lives due to their hunts
Also help with rituals
Plus any flesh side enemy is gonna be vulnerable in some way, so they can help
rapid glacier
They relegate that to Kin in W5 but having a kind of diet-Garou would be an interesting play space for NPCs and PCs to live in
rapid glacier
Thinking about the demon pretending to be wolf blooded
I’ve got a Gangrel that just recently got caught doing this
mighty zephyr
Well no, Kin don't work like that in W5
clear delta
Anyway, sorry for jumping the gun about mechanics. Karen's readthrough is really interesting
rapid glacier
Well, had is probably a better word lol
mighty zephyr
Kin are just "We think this person is a werewolf"
hybrid dock
Anyway, sorry for jumping the gun about mechanics. Karen's readthrough is really...
D’aww thank you
It’s quite a neat game and I really enjoy it
This has quickly become one of my favorites
I’m super happy I have it a chance
rapid glacier
Kin are just "We think this person is a werewolf"
Shit I’ve been using it to refer to any humans that are ‘in on the Veil/Litany’
clear delta
Honestly, I never thought it'd actually inspire me again
Years ago I thought of like a minotaur and Greek themed heroes taking down a politician
Your readthrough is very honest, looking at the good and inspiring and tearing the bad
Most talks of beast are either the Fatal and friends review which hates it, or people who keep glazing beast
rapid glacier
Yeah I’ve only seen the name before, a breakdown has been kinda neat and interesting
hybrid dock
Also this is cute crossover advice
mighty zephyr
Shit I’ve been using it to refer to any humans that are ‘in on the Veil/Litany’
Nope, that's just "humans that help"
rapid glacier
I ricochet’d off ChoD hard when I was younger so I never got to delve into its splats and product lines like I did with the older stuff
hybrid dock
I gotta say I really really like the lairbuilding, monster forms, and crossover mechanics
It all makes them really awesome
The satiety mechanics are really cool to me
clear delta
People were kinda sad the monster building wasn't like the demon form
hybrid dock
I’m a bit sad too but honestly I don’t hate it
I like demons a lot but beasts get lots of identity via atavisms and nightmares
And I like the monster form you can chill as
At least in your lair
Oh my god @heady kestrel some mages claim the dark mother could be the Raptor
clear delta
Makes sense honestly
heady kestrel
Oh my god <@568619513399083031> some mages claim the dark mother could be the Ra...
Holy shit
The raptor would
In general Beasts being a bit Exarchical makes sense
hybrid dock
The gentry treat beasts as relative equals which is creepy
Beasts are also super good at navigating the hedge
heady kestrel
I ricochet’d off ChoD hard when I was younger so I never got to delve into its s...
Id recommend, its a franchise I care about a lot
Demons and changeling are the most altered, but all of them are very different, even Hunter
heady kestrel
this is why y’all ain’t invited to certain parties beasts
clear delta
Golconda exists in Requiem?
sacred viper
Shoutout to that paragraph that goes "Oh yeah some Beasts end up fooled/sympathetic to the Gentry enough to help return Changelings to em"
sacred viper
There is at least one Hero who is also part of a half splat
So that is another ...
Shoutout to my favourite Hero Gift
heady kestrel
Shoutout to that paragraph that goes "Oh yeah some Beasts end up fooled/sympathe...
Geniunely one of my top “where did the gentry comes from” theories is that they were a third thing in the beast and hero dichotomy before they invaded and colonized Arcadia
And made their deals with the Wyrd
sacred viper
Makes sense to me
hybrid dock
I could see some funny shit with beasts and demons
Demon with her beast gf…
Oh huh
When beasts war with eachother, their satiety drain gets more intense
sacred viper
Demon with her beast gf…
Many such cases
hybrid dock
Many such cases
So true
clear delta
I could see some funny shit with beasts and demons
I had an AU in my mind of the God Machine being rogue parts of the Temenos/Goetia of society that extruded into reality
Whihc could be interesting to play the demon beast relationship, but hoenstly doing it with no beasts reduces complexity
heady kestrel
Is she the Dream warrior?
hybrid dock
Yeah
She has NO IDEA WHY THIS HAPPENED OR HOW TO GET BACK TO HER BODY
And honestly considering what she witnesses in the primordial dream
I don’t blame her for helping heroes
Like yeah okay fighting the big evil monster in dreams who keeps attacking random humans seems a solid bet
clear delta
Wait till you get to Hunter: Tooth and Nail
The merrick institute are a bunch of kids who escaped a lab and hunt beasts in dreams
hybrid dock
Oh I’ve heard
heady kestrel
Question for people who have actually seen the system in play
How strong are demon form demons
hybrid dock
Okay that’s beast the primordial done
Should I read player guide next or conquering heroes
heady kestrel
.. playerbook before gm book
hybrid dock
Nodnod
clear delta
Though player guide was the last one released, I think?
spice abyss
I'm glad you're enjoying Beast!
It's definitely got some rough areas, but it's such an interesting concept!
hybrid dock
Yeah
It’s rough and I see where it’s rough
But the concept is something I am super into and behind
I love them
They’re a splat built to crossover with every other, acting as primordial monsters that embody the idea of fears and the stories the others tend to be allegories for
Their nightmares from kinship being born from the perception and horror stories about other splats
Rather than drawn from those splats directly
And the fact that they have such huge potential for villainy and heroism???? Is really fun???
spice abyss
I think my absolute favorite power that Beasts have is tucked away in the Lair rules.
hybrid dock
A beast who helps out changelings and protects them and a beast who has decided to join the seers are both incredibly reasonable
Oh?
Which one
spice abyss
clear delta
Yeah you can play an investigator
spice abyss
Beasts can just sorta tell when a normal human has lost Integrity in a spot because of supernaturals, and this feeling sticks around for five years.
hybrid dock
They’ve got a sense for the fear in the world
spice abyss
Just like Heroes do.
hybrid dock
Yea
spice abyss
And you're very good at figuring out if it's another Beast.
hybrid dock
YUP
spice abyss
But yeah, I do enjoy just how much Beast lets you decide how bad you're going to be.
hybrid dock
I’m super into characters who don’t want to be bad and feel bad for being monsters so I’m glad this game also has that for me
Because it also has the worst fuckin people imaginable and those are cool too
spice abyss
You could just give in to your worst impulses
Or you could tightly control your Horror.
Or you could just
Ignore the choice.
Treating your Horror like a trolley problem is something you can do! You probably shouldn't, but it's there!
hybrid dock
Gehehehhe
spice abyss
Help that Mage investigate, it's good for your soul.
Hell yeah, that Promethean wants to learn more about Humanity.
Mmmm, yummy yummy vampire hunting time.
Oh goody, an abyssal horror wants to unmake part of reality!
Wow, a Gentry has asked you to joing their hunt!
hybrid dock
Yeah
It’s so funny
The beast who’s just happy to participate
Also now that I’ve read at least one book
The enemies to lovers arc for a beast and a hero DOES GO CRAZY
I gotta do something with that
spice abyss
Boy does it!
clear delta
Heroes are very interesting to me
spice abyss
You're going to get some notes on that exact topic in the next two books.
clear delta
I love the idea of some poor fuck in between the regular temenos and the primordial dream, traumatized into gaining dream powers
spice abyss
Yeah. Like, it's wonderful how little you have to change about Beast to get things rolling well.
Just obliterate Lesson Culture and put in your own nuance on Heroes.
clear delta
Also, the whole chamber assimilation reminds me of how
Other supernaturals have this thing where they cover supernatural truth with folklore
Lodge of hook hand, the scarecrow ministry, the Guardians' labyrinth of mystery cults
Yoinking the supernatural into your narrative
hybrid dock
Just obliterate Lesson Culture and put in your own nuance on Heroes.
Yeah genuinely
Or playing with lesson culture as an obvious cope
spice abyss
Indeed!
clear delta
Though then you gotta come up with a purpose. Werewolves and sin eaters at least have something productive to do
hybrid dock
Since they’re a crossover splat you can probably add some big threat to multiple supernaturals
Idk do some shit with the exarchs
Or the god machine
spice abyss
You gotta eat. You eat Trauma.
hybrid dock
Metaplot it up
spice abyss
That's a big ole hook.
hybrid dock
True!
Beasts honestly benefit well from a multisplat spread because they can fuck around and talk to other splats and are easily distrusted for their horrifying nature
spice abyss
Any Beast that tries to be ethical about their eating either has to investigate the local supernaturals and hang out with them, getting caught up in what they're doing.
clear delta
The whole thing of yoinking other supernaturals, guess you could give them a purpose to like
Make dangers and problems fit into a framework that might have supernatural power in and of itself
Make the vampire become "just a corrupt business person who can be ruined by this one secret leading to a scandal"
spice abyss
Beasts also make fantastic antagonists.
clear delta
Dunno, can't quite form the idea
hybrid dock
Any Beast that tries to be ethical about their eating either has to investigate ...
That or intentionally starving themselves so that they can be satiated off of more ethical food
Like Catch and Release predators
spice abyss
Yeah.
clear delta
I like the idea of imposing stories and frameworks
hybrid dock
At a low enough satiety you can just give someone some bites and scratches and leave them alone
spice abyss
Push enough to make people uncomfortable and scared as a tyrant.
hybrid dock
Honestly “the dark mother is actually the raptor” would be a very fun premise for a beast game since it establishes you as the descendants of the worst kind of god for a game
heady kestrel
At a low enough satiety you can just give someone some bites and scratches and l...
Pick them up in your mouth and wiggle them around a bit
hybrid dock
Push enough to make people uncomfortable and scared as a tyrant.
Steal someone’s…watch as a collector
heady kestrel
Honestly “the dark mother is actually the raptor” would be a very fun premise fo...
Consider: rather than making it an Actually, you just say “The Dark Mother Is Raptor”
Like its not a twist just… another thing she does
spice abyss
Yep yep!
hybrid dock
Lmao
heady kestrel
Yeah like that
hybrid dock
Oooo
Ravager who just smashes a couple windows at low satiety
Slashes some tires
Keys a car
spice abyss
Petty vandalism, yeah.
Your horror won't be happy, but if you run them down and keep them at a balancing level of hangry
You don't have to be too bad.
You're going to seem like a shitty person.
heady kestrel
You can just be an Asshole instead of a Monster(in the metaphorical way)
spice abyss
It could be so much worse.
hybrid dock
And hey, horrors like it when you feed with Effort
So if you’re a low satiety predator looking to keep it ethical
Making it a whole long winded game of a hunt could be a nice once in a while treat for your horror
Sure you didn’t kill him, but hey, setting traps and chasing him for 3 hours was the real good part
spice abyss
He'll never forget it.
spice abyss
Feeding and the Lair are the coolest parts about Beast.
Nothing like entering Horror Movie mode by being some creep who turns a light switch off so the Monster can come get you.
hybrid dock
I like that you just need one trait to bring the rest in
If your lair is corrosive and dark
You turn off the lights
And suddenly there’s burns and claw marks on the walls
hybrid dock
THESUNTHESUNTHESUN
spice abyss
He could just bring in The fucking sun
hybrid dock
I love that lair suns work on vampires
spice abyss
It's such a fucking flex when it happens.
And of course the ever fun "DO YOU WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT DROWNING FEELS LIKE?!"
hybrid dock
Yeah
Okay I’m reading conquering heroes and
“Standing in the way of someone with real purpose” BEASTS SUCK SOMETIMES ACTUALLY
I will see if it improves but the start of conquering heroes is…rough
spice abyss
An important fact to remember is that Yes, you are a monster!
hybrid dock
I think it’s what appeals to me
I like playing as people sad about being monsters
this requires you to be something bad, for me
Striving against that monstrosity you could become is so much juicier if what you can become is truly wretched
spice abyss
And you can sink lower than any other splat if you want.
spice abyss
Feeding matters in a way to Beast that it doesn't really manage in Vampire.
sacred viper
I'm really curious about how Beast plays- nobody talks about how their campaigns with it went and it always has been a mystery for me
spice abyss
It's a constant balance, yeah.
My Beast campaign largely focused on existing as a Beast
While also trying to displace the local Apex because it was making the Primordial Dream actively awful to exist in.
Because every Chamber just had these extra gribblies in them that would attack you or your Horror.
Not kill them, just hurt.
spice abyss
We did not finish sadly.
One of the players was getting a bit too... Radicalized into Right Wing Thought.
spice abyss
As was I when it happened.
But once a player starts spouting off "facts" about how gay people are statistically more likely to be pedophiles, you kinda
Have to drop them.
clear delta
My well wishes
Anyway, thinking on destroyer wolf from forsaken
Feels funny the tribe of the firstborn of violence and devastation is just the guys you call to deal with werewolves who lost their way/turned against the forsaken
Makes sense since werewolves take a lot of punishment to go down
But it's the hunter in darkness who care about shaping and changing the environment
hybrid dock
man
beasts are not allowed to complain when heroes exist
because they do shit like this
i love her
voice of the victim's a fun one
heady kestrel
She’s so fucking good
hybrid dock
like
shes just kinda
...good
i mean like
an anakim called her a "wet liberal" and continued to abuse people and their trauma
like
y'know
candy over here
She's doing good work
she also just
actually supports her community
she acts like a voice for victims
shes empathetic
and kind
its great
i love her
spice abyss
Ye. Heroes can indeed be heroes!
hybrid dock
i like her a lot
"Beasts sit there frustrated by her guiltless appearance" Oh jeez im sorry is this the first time you're realizing your actions have consequences???
spice abyss
Like Beasts, they're driven to do something, but they get to choose how they approach it.
hybrid dock
i love em
i honestly really like the "Good" heroes the most
they make for the funnest antagonists because like
shit i dont want to kill them
i like them
but theyre also in the way
spice abyss
"But they will fuck me up. Hrm."
hybrid dock
yeah
its like
really good
and lends itself to some fun situations
(...beast saving a hero's life from another beast would be SO FUNNY)
(NOBODY IS HAPPY ABOUT THIS)
heady kestrel
an anakim called her a "wet liberal" and continued to abuse people and their tra...
Calling a hero a liberal is CRAZY
Beast who says “Checkmate woke moralists”
“Cancel structure strikes again” as my lair is invaded by an angry mob coming to kill me for my crimes
hybrid dock
no no fluffy
heady kestrel
Including the random vampire you let join
hybrid dock
this means
it can hit- yeah
not even other brood members just like
OTHER MONSTERS THAT YOURE FRIENDS WITH
"expose fucking explodes a wizard"
people suspect she might've been ghouled by a vampire once
she isnt but she does get help from some vampires
heady kestrel
Beasts hate watching the stream like "don't worry guys we will get her one day"
valid merlin
"Beasts sit there frustrated by her guiltless appearance" Oh jeez im sorry is th...
Beasts when they hit the finding out phase of fucking around
spice abyss
Talking about Beast has made me remember one of the cool sub-aspects of Lairs
I forgot Beasts are immune to Tilts that are present in their Lair.
Which is very fun with things like this.
hybrid dock
I forgot Beasts are immune to Tilts that are present in their Lair.
YUP
spice abyss
Very confused mage when a Beast walks past their carefully placed wards.
hybrid dock
it also means that like
you can apply your tilt to a situation to navigate the situation
hybrid dock
or if your lair is cramped
they suddenly crawl through cracks in the walls
by making the entire place cramped
its really funny
spice abyss
"This is the Lockpickinglawyer, and what I have for you today is the paranoid thoughts being proven right. No lock will keep you safe as long as I'm around."
hybrid dock
LMAO
clear delta
I should do a read through of homebrew splats
Princess has like 3 versions? And authors fighting?
spice abyss
Yes, yes it does.
hybrid dock
okay i might not actually read more of conquering heroes i reALLY wanna read the player guide
so im gonna do that
spice abyss
Fair!
clear delta
"This is the Lockpickinglawyer, and what I have for you today is the paranoid th...
Channel for a hero obsessed with security
"Welcome to my fortress. It has three layers of security, both supernatural and mundane, and is staffed by the monsters I've slain, bound as my army"
Probably not gifts that exist but imagine
I just think an insane obsessed warrior followed by an undead army is cool as shit
spice abyss
Hero Influence tags an already existing undead army. nods
And like
All it takes is one hero stumbling across one of the many, many, many types of enchanted items that exist.
hybrid dock
i gotta think of some dope heroes for my ultimate "shipping a beast and a hero together"
spice abyss
Also, the Chapter 1 short fiction is good at the Beast vs. Hero thing.
clear delta
On that note
Beast doesn't have item creation?
hybrid dock
Also, the Chapter 1 short fiction is *good* at the Beast vs. Hero thing.
oh which book
spice abyss
Player's Guide.
hybrid dock
epic epic
ill trust you then!
Ive been avoiding the microfiction because a lot of the beast perspective is too....insufferably smug for what im looking for
but i might give this one a chance
sacred viper
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/J2lXf9r5DSM
Armstrong fits scarely well as a beast
hybrid dock
"WHAT DO YOU MEAN?"
"DON'T YELL AT ME FOR THIS!!"
"I-*sigh* sorry. Look. This is just- this is the most baffling part about you. Like is this part of your hunger for hoarding?"
"N-no I hunger for prey."
"Are they your prey then?"
"Nope."
"This is- why are you like this."
"Wha-what's that supposed to mean??"
"The shadow thing makes sense, the gnashing teeth makes sense, your tendency to sleep inside your *lair* makes sense. But this? Bridge too far."
"How is this a bridge too far."
"Kacey you said you were, and I quote 'into Heroes. Like romantically.'"
"You have no room to judge me- you dated a Demon for three years!"
the brainworms have become terminal
Im too late about this
i like beast now
sacred viper
Tragic 2 see
hybrid dock
:333
hybrid dock
Okay so I don’t have the energy to read the player guide in depth as it turns out
BUT
I’m liking what I’m seeing
I was not aware that a well stocked lair could also correspond to minions who live in it
Well, not minions but
Creatures
Like ghosts
Or mortals
Support for the freakass abyssal crew continues
hybrid dock
y'know
i get more and more annoyed with the default perspective the book takes on heroes
when this is here
spice abyss
Correct.
heady kestrel
imagine if CoD andd CoD did a crossover.
(this was a nonsensical thought derived from someone thinking we were talking about the other CoD)
nimble gale
bloodhunt? I guess it's gunplay is rather different from cod's
about as close as we get though
clear delta
i got to the motherhood rules
Werewolf needs meatspawn minion rules
clear delta
Carl is a fun guy
His other simplicity was the bible. He never took much to those acolytes who follow Mother Ocean - those fish-men always seem shifty, like they're up to no good. But Jesus, there's a man who makes sense. Carl doesn't go to church much, but he sure reads the Bible plenty. [...]
(Werewolves who hear his First Tongue name might be able to translate it. An approximate paraphrase would be, ""The Voice of the Red Horizon." Carl doesn't know that his name means any such thing, and mostly goes just by "Carl.")
untold elm
lmao every reddit post about v5 h5 or w5 is just "this is the worst game ever made. unplayable garbage." and they just seem fine and normal
high current
yeah that sounds like reddit
hybrid dock
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"WHAT DO YOU MEAN?"
"DON'T YELL AT ME FOR THIS!!"
"I-*sigh* sorry. Look. T...
I gotta write more beast fanfiction this is the funniest shit ever
hybrid dock
Carl is a fun guy
>>> His other simplicity was the bible. He never took much to ...
LMAO i love this guy
clear delta
LMAO i love this guy
Carl is an innsmouth guy. He just wants to chill as a boatman and sometimes go to arcades or parties
Murders likely connected to an ocean cult have disturbed his peaceful life, and he wouldn't involve himself, but one victim was his arcade friend
Plus werewolves have killed his podmates, and if he concludes it was the players, he's bringing it to the Christian congregation to get justice, and maybe the Ocean congregation too.
hybrid dock
wow
clear delta
Carl also offers cheap boat rides for people who can't afford other boats
hybrid dock
a friend of mine h
as
given me
demon the fallen
so that should be fun to check out later
mighty zephyr
Oh boy
marble sorrel
I like Fallen a lot.
The rules are not great in several places but that's oWoD for you.
grave gulch
i only now saw where i am, so for a second i though you fell down or something
hybrid dock
i am
sacred viper
so that should be fun to check out later
Enjoy!
hybrid dock
interested in reading it
sacred viper
(Geniunely, it's a weird but not bad game with some interesting stuff)
hybrid dock
if only because
well
me, im me, and i have a literal angelsona rn so
im interested
clear delta
Check descent too later