World of Darkness | Pilot NET | Page 34

heady kestrel Jul 1, 2025, 5:36 PM

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Hey random question because the wiki didn’t really explain this to me

Is Contagion chronicles primarily a setting book with some special features to make crossovers easier, or is it like Exalted Essence for Chronciles Of Darkness

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Or something in the middle

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Or something else

mighty zephyr Jul 1, 2025, 5:38 PM

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heady kestrel Hey random question because the wiki didn’t really explain this to me Is Contag...

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heady kestrel Jul 1, 2025, 5:38 PM

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Gotcha, interesting

mighty zephyr Jul 1, 2025, 5:41 PM

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Also

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zBzJtRYHPRtzgDCh5Jj93DhQH6UA7vqQ4zqMcFWRLNI/edit?usp=sharing

Google Docs

Forsaken Loresheets

Bites Throats Bloody: (Available to Black Furies and Hart Wardens) This Firstborn represents the hierarchical and territorial nature of wolves rendered in bloody warfare. It is the personification of wolves as blood-drenched kinslayers, and the “natural” state of the pack versus the world. Many w...

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Iron Masters ADDED

grave gulch Jul 1, 2025, 5:50 PM

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vicksyW thats....bad news vicksyDerp

high current Jul 1, 2025, 6:25 PM

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im realizing that a more relevant answer to your question is the Morbus/Carriers, a Mekhet bloodline whose whole schtick is feeding on sick people, and their blurb includes this bit

While these diseases don't adversely affect the Morbus themselves (usually), they can occasionally be transmitted when the Kindred feed, share blood with their ghouls or have sex.
again, no specific mechanics provided the most 1e said about the whole vampires-spreading-disease thing was that, if you drink from a person with a blood-borne illness, you thereafter pass it on to future victims like a mosquito

hybrid dock Jul 1, 2025, 11:22 PM

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hey i cant stop thinking about this lmao.

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i have been slowly writing shit for it lmao

mighty zephyr Jul 1, 2025, 11:23 PM

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hybrid dock hey i cant stop thinking about this lmao.

Copyright idea me you owe me a penny every time they kiss

hybrid dock Jul 1, 2025, 11:24 PM

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LMAO

clear delta Jul 1, 2025, 11:24 PM

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We gotta share the royalties voy

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Or I'm sueing

mighty zephyr Jul 1, 2025, 11:24 PM

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Can we split a penny

hybrid dock Jul 1, 2025, 11:24 PM

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yeah i cant deny pandora also came up with ideas here

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lemme pull up the notes i've got

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Eli Fisher(Obrimos)
Guardian Demon

Deep Cover(Embed)
Identity Theft(Embed)
Download Knowledge(Embed)
Show of Power(Exploit)

Blade Hand
Armored Plates
Mental Resistance
Aura Sight
Mind Reading
Long Limbs
Body Modification

Moloch(She/Her)
(I don't know why she named herself Moloch)
(She's just like that)
(Moros)
(Media Influencer and Necromancer for the Seers of the Throne)

Moloch was deemed important enough to the god-machine's plans (and mutual agreements with certain other Seer forces) that a guardian Angel was deployed to act as bodyguard.

During the Guardian Angel's(Cover: Eli Fisher) service to protecting Moloch, he fell after developing genuine worry over the safety of his charge.

Eli is consistently exasperated with Moloch's behavior, even after falling, and finds himself annoyed with her. However, still views her as his charge, due to his inbuilt purpose (and her personality).

Moloch...kinda feels bad for causing an angel to fall not gonna lie.```

Eli is, technically speaking, an integrator.

They view themselves as a malfunctioning machine that should be dismantled and recycled at the earliest opportunity.
However, they also were built to guard Moloch with their life. As a result, until the death of Moloch, Eli refuses to allow himself to be recycled, ensuring the mission is followed until completion.

However, with no signal given for when the mission can end, Eli expects it to last until Moloch's death, and will fight until the last breath to ensure Moloch lives for a very long time and is guarded well.


all i've got 😔

hybrid dock Jul 2, 2025, 3:35 AM

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hmmmm

i think all i might need are specific circumstances for the fall and then i might actually be able to write this

clear delta Jul 2, 2025, 10:59 AM

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Eli had a moment, watching Moloch sleep in her mess of a room
And just thought of how her wellbeing is so important to him, even above god

hybrid dock Jul 2, 2025, 2:07 PM

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…oh my god that’s perfect

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That’s really good

marble sorrel Jul 2, 2025, 2:12 PM

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Does anyone have any...W20 Werewolf Items (Fetishes) that they think are particularly useful or fun to have? I'm very unfamiliar with W20 and such items, so I don't know which ones are nice off-hand/what books have more options.

That sentence had to be rewritten twice to make it come across as less suspect than the original version sounded.

hybrid dock Jul 2, 2025, 2:15 PM

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No yeah that makes sense

clear delta Jul 2, 2025, 2:23 PM

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THinking of jellyfish shifter
Jellyfish hurts/eats those who get too close, form blooms encompassing areas, after the blooms feed the sea floor with their corpses like whales, can survive climate change well

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I could see them as more uptight about territory than werewolves, and guarding spiritual sites

hybrid dock Jul 3, 2025, 8:58 AM

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“Oh. Okay that’s not our problem- can you let me do my damn grocery shopping in peace?”

Emote - Smugly shrug.
“I’m afraid I cannot. I am to protect and warn against all possible threats to your life and the best way of doing that is following you.”

His charge groans, flipping him off.
Context Readout - Nonverbal insulting gesture, primarily used by presenting the middle finger.

“Jesus christ. Can you at least make yourself unseen and unheard? You are annoying me and so help me by the exarchs I serve, I will somehow land a withering curse on you.”

Context Readout - Jesus Christ is a messianic figure in Christianity, popularly known for being nailed to a cross.
Emote - Tilt head.
“But then how would I inform you of any danger?”

“Fuckin send me omens or…fucking something. Whatever. I know you can communicate nonverbally, jackass.”
Analysis Readout - She seems exasperated. Throwing her hands outwards.

Emote - Nod.
“I can text you, I have access to your device.”

She sighs, and Eli backs away, dissolving the material shell of his body and returning to a twilight state.

it continues

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angel pov is weird but i do enjoy writing "emote - Do an emotion" and "context readout - completely useless trivia about what just happened"

clear delta Jul 3, 2025, 9:04 AM

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Disco elysium encyclopedia

hybrid dock Jul 3, 2025, 9:46 AM

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exactly

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Context Readout - there is a boxer named contact mike```

hybrid dock Jul 3, 2025, 5:28 PM

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man im kinda into integrators conceptually for demons

theyre weird but like

reading other content, they still do sabotage infrastructure. they just subvert it to what they believe are 'good' ends

there's real juice there

silver apex Jul 3, 2025, 5:36 PM

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a player called their character "jason blood"

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peak 90s WoD

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i love it

high current Jul 3, 2025, 6:09 PM

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that's the human identity of Etrigan the Demon from DC OhIPanda

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https://www.leodisgames.com/cdn/shop/products/Jason-Blood-Demon.jpg?v=1631591641

grave gulch Jul 3, 2025, 7:15 PM

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he's a true fae vicksySip

orchid void Jul 3, 2025, 7:45 PM

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hybrid dock man im kinda *into* integrators conceptually for demons theyre weird but like ...

its a weird fuckin place to sit, right? but its interesting, to ask people about how they want Hell to work

clear delta Jul 3, 2025, 7:51 PM

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Jellyfish shifters are good at guarding territory, being more hung up on territory than the average werewolf
They are good at wrangling local spirits and fertilizing the ecology, but if they refuse to leave it's rather difficult to make them let go

hybrid dock Jul 3, 2025, 7:56 PM

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orchid void its a weird fuckin place to sit, right? but its interesting, to ask people about...

Yeah I kinda really like them

grave gulch Jul 4, 2025, 2:02 PM

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yesterday i improved a whole dungeon based on House of Leaves

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it went great

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wixelsStrong

high current Jul 4, 2025, 2:50 PM

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#goals tbh

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im looking at doing something similar in my #1162147260348497980 game, cause i'm running Impossible Landscapes which rooHmm doesn't have anything that quite matches the House on Ash Tree Lane, but it has some funky non-euclidean space stuff going on. i'll work with what i'm given vvvSip

grave gulch Jul 4, 2025, 4:23 PM

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vicksyHappy sounds really fun!

elder fulcrum Jul 6, 2025, 11:06 AM

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after having made two very dramatic characters for Hunter (belmont-family-type daughter to hunter ancestors) and Vampire (‘blessed daughter of the prophecy’ childer of the previous campaign’s BBEG who hates this as most Lasombre do), i’ve got a Werewolf game lined up and i’m planning to pivot

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professional fighting game player glass walker

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rapid glacier Jul 6, 2025, 11:29 AM

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Art imo

vast blaze Jul 6, 2025, 9:23 PM

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Odd question

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How would y'all go about creating a playable HIT Mark

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Like, what's a decent splat to go off of to build one

mighty zephyr Jul 6, 2025, 10:00 PM

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Mage

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It's just a strong and tough person with weapons

nimble gale Jul 6, 2025, 11:34 PM

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They are, at least by the M20 rules, either Enlightened Scientists themselves or Extraordinary Citizens depending on how powerful a HIT Mark they are

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at least the modern ones, obviously if they aren't truly sapient or have free will like some older versionso f HIT Marks they'd be using NPC rules, but ultimately they're just People Or Mages (TM), that might have some unique merits/backgrounds

vast blaze Jul 7, 2025, 5:21 AM

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Right

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Mage does feel... weird, somehow?

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But I can definitely see it

nimble gale Jul 7, 2025, 5:24 AM

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Mage is a little esoteric at times

vast blaze Jul 7, 2025, 5:34 AM

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It's mostly like

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It feels weird emulating a robot with the Archetypal Fantasy Character splat

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Mages and wizards are the Fantasy Guy, they're the face of the genre

marble sorrel Jul 7, 2025, 5:36 AM

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Sure but well...mage is also the Techie Splat.

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The Technocracy and such

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The difference between a Mage HIT Mark and a guy who transformed his body into elemental energy is more one of Aestetics and Tradition than of Function.

nimble gale Jul 7, 2025, 5:40 AM

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but like, think about it like this: Let's assume a standard, modern day HIT Mark X. Integrated plasma projector in the arm? That's a Forces effect. Subdermal armor plating? Life and Matter. Eyes with built0-in HUDS that scan for weaknesses and wifi signals? Entropy 1 + Data 1.

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Science, magic; it's all the same thing. It's thought put onto the world. A technocratic field agent and a chakravanti assassin are the same thing. Agent 47 is Altair. Merlin is Tesla.

marble sorrel Jul 7, 2025, 5:47 AM

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And much less Tesla, everything Merlin had fell apart due to dumbass ego and everything ended up on fire and exploding 😛

nimble gale Jul 7, 2025, 5:53 AM

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remember kids: Hubris is the first step!

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it mgiht also be the last step

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(but for real the first and most honest thought a Mage has is "The world is wrong but I can fix it")

clear delta Jul 7, 2025, 2:15 PM

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How does the average thyrsus relate to the idea of community? Since they are all about boundaries and intercession. Life and spirit are all about webs of relationships, spirit basically reflects the community
The dreamspeaker legacy is very dedicated to caring for some group

mighty zephyr Jul 7, 2025, 2:43 PM

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Thrysus can easily see the interconnectedness of humans analogous to the spirits around them

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They can see a building or a block or a town for what it truly is, a single ecosystem of emotions and resonance, diagnose the problems there in through their sightb

midnight grotto Jul 7, 2025, 2:55 PM

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Appeals to nature can be used to justify any viewpoint, so I would consider it more of a lens

marble sorrel Jul 7, 2025, 2:55 PM

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Do M20 werewolves have ways to determine if someone is a Vampire, if that vampire doesn't smell of the Wyrm/Can mimic human auras?

mighty zephyr Jul 7, 2025, 2:56 PM

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Werewolves have good perception

rapid glacier Jul 7, 2025, 2:56 PM

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I mean, licks are corpses; if they've got Lupus form or enhanced sense, its REALLY hard to hide

mighty zephyr Jul 7, 2025, 2:56 PM

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So they can just kinda go "your breath smells entirely like blood"

rapid glacier Jul 7, 2025, 2:56 PM

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and the things that can hide it from the mundane perception won't hide from Rage/Gnosis giving you bad vibes

mighty zephyr Jul 7, 2025, 2:57 PM

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They can also switch forms and realize you don't suffer delerium as another way to confirm

marble sorrel Jul 7, 2025, 2:57 PM

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In this case the character has Deceptive Aura, so they're kinda low on the 'bad vibes' front.

rapid glacier Jul 7, 2025, 2:57 PM

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I know in W5 there are two different easy to get Gifts that even cut through Obfuscate

mighty zephyr Jul 7, 2025, 2:57 PM

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Even the most hidden vampire can be outed through mundane deduction

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So the answer is very much "yes if they have reason to suspect you"

marble sorrel Jul 7, 2025, 2:58 PM

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Mostly pondering what else I need to well...stay hidden. Deceptive Aura, Master of the Mascurade, Humanity 8 so she's not stinking of the wyrm etc.

rapid glacier Jul 7, 2025, 2:59 PM

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pull a Terry Pratchett and make a smoke bomb out of peppermint and just nuke everyone's sense of smell

marble sorrel Jul 7, 2025, 2:59 PM

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that's kinda bad at the 'subtle' part. XD

rapid glacier Jul 7, 2025, 2:59 PM

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what are they gonna do, hunt down the Peppermint Bandit?

marble sorrel Jul 7, 2025, 2:59 PM

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mighty zephyr They can also switch forms and realize you don't suffer delerium as another way ...

To be fair, 'Having a good willpower' also beats Delerium. XD

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There's a non-zero number of humans who can no-sell that one

rapid glacier Jul 7, 2025, 3:00 PM

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they're not common in the slightest though

marble sorrel Jul 7, 2025, 3:00 PM

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Sure but they're likely more common than vampires are. XD

mighty zephyr Jul 7, 2025, 3:00 PM

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Yeah but if you smell like blood, only go out at night, don't react to certain stimuli, and are also immune to delerium

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A garou will go "oh, leech"

rapid glacier Jul 7, 2025, 3:01 PM

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oh yeah that's a good point, if it can pay attention to any given lick they'll figure it out; Vampires are predators

marble sorrel Jul 7, 2025, 3:01 PM

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Master of the Mascurade should be covering the 'don't react' part. That one is 'You can keep up all the subconscious stuff that humans do that vampires often forget to actively do, like breathing'

mighty zephyr Jul 7, 2025, 3:02 PM

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You still don't feel pain, nor get tired

marble sorrel Jul 7, 2025, 3:02 PM

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I mean, I also don't plan to Get Stabbed much in front of them. XD

mighty zephyr Jul 7, 2025, 3:02 PM

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No one really does

marble sorrel Jul 7, 2025, 3:02 PM

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So not feeling pain is likely a non-factor

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...I'll admit, it's a bit dissapointing to have devoted like...8 bonus dots to 'Be good at pretending to be human, even to supernatural senses and especially to animals' and have it still be 'oh yeah, a werewolf could easily beat that'. XD

mighty zephyr Jul 7, 2025, 3:04 PM

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Its not easy, but a person with reason to be suspicious has multiple ways to circumvent any mystery if they're smart

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Investing heavily in a singular defense in a storytelling game is also very much saying "it will be very dramatic if this is broken"

marble sorrel Jul 7, 2025, 3:05 PM

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Sure but like 'social infiltrator' is kinda Her Thing. Hence me trying to cover as many bases there as possible to limit the ways it can be found out. XD

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Right now the werewolf she's met thinks she's a Mage rather than a Vampire and she's attempting not to disprove that assumption.

mighty zephyr Jul 7, 2025, 3:07 PM

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Every Vampire fears getting Columboed

marble sorrel Jul 7, 2025, 3:07 PM

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Sure but...like, what I'm asking is 'what tools do werewolf toolkits have to discover this'. As I don't know werewolf mechanics very well.

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Not just 'can someone do mundane investigation'

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Hence talking about stuff like smelling of the Wyrm and hiding her Aura.

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Right now she's thought to be a Mage rather than a Vampire. The average vampire doesn't carry about Spirit Fetishes but mages do and she's an Assasmite Sorcerer, so her aura shows 'magic' but she's also got deceptive aura so it shows 'mortal'. Mortal + Magic + Spirit Fetishes has so far led to 'Oh, A Mage' assumptions. She's hoping to keep it that way as long as possible. Hence the wondering what areas outside of 'eyes' a werewolf could cause trouble working out what she is.

rapid glacier Jul 7, 2025, 3:38 PM

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marble sorrel Sure but...like, what I'm asking is 'what tools do werewolf toolkits have to dis...

The short answer for this is "Whatever tools the ST needs to make them threatening"

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planning to stop a WW in other splats usually involves a predator drone

mighty zephyr Jul 7, 2025, 3:40 PM

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A werewolf can also just
"Ask a spirit to tail you and then get a report that you drank someone's blood"

marble sorrel Jul 7, 2025, 3:43 PM

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mighty zephyr A werewolf can also just "Ask a spirit to tail you and then get a report that y...

That one luckily wouldn't work.

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Spirits are not really a problem for her.

velvet sparrow Jul 7, 2025, 3:44 PM

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Ehhh

marble sorrel Jul 7, 2025, 3:45 PM

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...and I guess I'm going to go read the werewolf book myself to learn thier supernatural investigative tools.

velvet sparrow Jul 7, 2025, 3:45 PM

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Unless you have a way to like, bind the spirit so you can control everything it says in a way that the werewolf can't tell something is up when it talks

marble sorrel Jul 7, 2025, 3:46 PM

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rapid glacier planning to stop a WW in other splats usually involves a predator drone

I was mostly planning on avoiding fights. That and this is dark ages, no predator drones. Just groups of guys with crossbows.

mighty zephyr Jul 7, 2025, 3:47 PM

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Yeah you can't really say "spirits aren't a problem" unfortunately

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since there's Infinite Spirits of Infinite Things

marble sorrel Jul 7, 2025, 3:47 PM

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velvet sparrow Unless you have a way to like, bind the spirit so you can control everything it ...

That is expressly what she has. She's spirit manipulation thaumaturgy path-wise.

mighty zephyr Jul 7, 2025, 3:47 PM

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and one of them can just be the Spirit Of Fucks Your Shit Up Specifically

velvet sparrow Jul 7, 2025, 3:48 PM

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Spirit Manipulation is so perfect that Spirits can't tell you're using it?

marble sorrel Jul 7, 2025, 3:48 PM

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They can tell you're using it but banishing a spirit isn't hard with it.

velvet sparrow Jul 7, 2025, 3:49 PM

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Oh right you're pretending to be a Mage not a normal human

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Okay yeah I guess that works

mighty zephyr Jul 7, 2025, 3:50 PM

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Well Spirits can watch you from the Umbra, so banishing them isn't really the solution there

marble sorrel Jul 7, 2025, 3:51 PM

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Spirit manipulation can see spirits and command them even if they're not normally about.

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It would be kinda useless if it couldn't

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The capstone for it lets the vampire go to the umbra personally.

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Spirit Manipulation has so far been her most useful trick. She drove out a Bane of Murder from a place.

velvet sparrow Jul 7, 2025, 3:55 PM

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Now, that would probably result in the werewolf now really wanting to know, which is a bad idea because I don't recall if they could watch you from the Umbra themselves

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Once I get to my computer I'll start looking for if I can find investigative Gifts also

mighty zephyr Jul 7, 2025, 3:57 PM

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There's a lot

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Also tribe dependent

marble sorrel Jul 7, 2025, 3:58 PM

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In other news: Dark Ages Poland is the worst place. Werewolves, Tremere/Dracula/Mage wars, Knights Templar(Who have Mages) and the Mongols all in one place.

mighty zephyr Jul 7, 2025, 3:58 PM

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And even worse than all that, Germans

marble sorrel Jul 7, 2025, 3:59 PM

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It's almost certain we're gunna end up with mages coming after us at some point. Which will suck.

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Since we DO have a Tremere with us and we've got the Knights Templar a week by horse away.

mighty zephyr Jul 7, 2025, 4:01 PM

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wait hold on

marble sorrel Jul 7, 2025, 4:01 PM

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And this is mid 'The mages are trying to wipe the tremere off the map'

mighty zephyr Jul 7, 2025, 4:01 PM

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I don't think the Templars would be there

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It'd be the other guys, right?

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fuckinnnnn

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Teutonic Order

next totem Jul 7, 2025, 4:01 PM

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The Teutons?

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Yeah

mighty zephyr Jul 7, 2025, 4:02 PM

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Yea

next totem Jul 7, 2025, 4:02 PM

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Well, idk much about medieval WoD

mighty zephyr Jul 7, 2025, 4:02 PM

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Well this'd be real history

next totem Jul 7, 2025, 4:02 PM

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yeah it's common in fiction for the Templars to have a slightly expanded role, don't remember hearing anything about the Templars in a WoD context but I wouldn't be surprised

marble sorrel Jul 7, 2025, 4:02 PM

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Chwarszczany Chapel is pretty close.

mighty zephyr Jul 7, 2025, 4:03 PM

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The Templars in WoD are a Mage Craft or Spawned a Mage Craft idk which off the top of my head

marble sorrel Jul 7, 2025, 4:03 PM

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Which was a gift to the templars

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So there's historical templars here in that time period and they've got Mages in WoD. So that will suck a bit.

radiant marsh Jul 7, 2025, 9:33 PM

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nimble gale Jul 7, 2025, 9:34 PM

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you know I've literally been using dracula flow as a form of pumping myself up to study

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this shit ain't nothing to me, man

radiant marsh Jul 7, 2025, 9:46 PM

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ngl

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"I turned his Seeming into a Definitely" made me cackle

grave gulch Jul 9, 2025, 12:27 AM

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If i diablerize a malkavian or amother vampire

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I get some of their power sure

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But can you also develop their banes that way?

nimble gale Jul 9, 2025, 12:31 AM

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In V5 specifically, givne the use of the term banes, or just like, in setting/in universe/in general?

grave gulch Jul 9, 2025, 12:34 AM

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In universe

mighty zephyr Jul 9, 2025, 12:36 AM

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grave gulch But can you also develop their banes that way?

Yes, its a flaw you can get

nimble gale Jul 9, 2025, 12:37 AM

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At least in previous editions (I know V5 changed things around) then there was the possibility you could, yeah

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I'm not the most familiar with V5 but some things shouldnt' change too much I imagine

rapid glacier Jul 9, 2025, 1:24 AM

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V5 has callouts for bad things happening after diablerie in a bunch of books, and the big one is 'losing the willpower check afterwards bad enough makes the other lick take your body over, game over' so I'd assume even a successful one might have that bane hit you

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especially if its a lower gen like an elder

mighty zephyr Jul 9, 2025, 2:04 AM

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I think In Memoriam just added a bunch of diablerie flaws

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including gaining a clan bane

rapid glacier Jul 9, 2025, 2:27 AM

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I didn't make it far past the Ancillae/Elder chargen rules

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I kinda want something for this for like Fledglings, even? Something to better map your life before being Embraced

mighty zephyr Jul 9, 2025, 2:28 AM

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It's either that or Gehenna war

rapid glacier Jul 9, 2025, 2:28 AM

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core book has a few things but its not a ton of depth

mighty zephyr Jul 9, 2025, 2:28 AM

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I mean you could do the same stuff and just like, Not Take The Mechanical Bonuses

rapid glacier Jul 9, 2025, 2:28 AM

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true

mighty zephyr Jul 9, 2025, 2:28 AM

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but fledgelings don't usually have to deal with like

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decades of supernatural intriguee

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don't need a system about how you're a retired accountant

nimble gale Jul 9, 2025, 2:32 AM

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wait

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wrong channel

rapid glacier Jul 9, 2025, 2:32 AM

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wrong splat lol

nimble gale Jul 9, 2025, 2:32 AM

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snip all that

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lol

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not my most embarrasing 'oops wrong channel'

rapid glacier Jul 9, 2025, 2:33 AM

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I mean it does hold over here a bit; in Vampire, you're already an established mortal most of the time, so there is an element of what you did before becoming a Vampire or before your chronicle starts

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having a fancy house or being wealthy, or having a lot of government connections, etc etc are absolutely little details that aren't always shown on a character sheet but still should be worked out

mighty zephyr Jul 9, 2025, 3:39 AM

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Yeah but does it need a system more than what we have now?

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Like what doesn't character generation cover

mighty zephyr Jul 9, 2025, 2:11 PM

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Oh shit

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New werewolf book is already out

clear delta Jul 9, 2025, 3:12 PM

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Wonder if vampire can use consensual diablerie to share a body

grave gulch Jul 9, 2025, 3:13 PM

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That sounds vicksyHmm real creepy....but i could see a big shot vampire ordering someone to do that to them

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Creepy cause diablerie is already creepy

clear delta Jul 9, 2025, 4:11 PM

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I guess a comparison of space and spirit
You eat a dozen tubs of ice cream due to a breakup. They go into the trash, then a landfill. So you have resonance of cold, gluttony, and heartbreak. Leading to a spirit in the area that will probably find other related trash to feed on resonance and spirits
So you have barely any sympathetic connection there, but you had an impact on the place

rapid glacier Jul 9, 2025, 4:42 PM

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mighty zephyr New werewolf book is already out

hell yes I've been waiting on this for my next round of W5

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gonna have my pack figure out a way to tame a volcano they just made in north carolina

radiant marsh Jul 9, 2025, 8:41 PM

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stupid shit i'm not proud of but got a laugh

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My Shadow Lord declaring the Red Talon "Wouldn't know a pop-culture reference if one sliced their hand off and declared itself to be their father"

high current Jul 10, 2025, 3:05 PM

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https://www.polygon.com/news/612076/white-wolf-jess-lanzillo-dungeons-dragons-magic-the-gathering

Polygon

Ex-D&D and Magic: The Gathering VP takes over Vampire: The Masquera...

With experience from D&D and Magic: The Gathering, Jess Lanzillo joins to help shape the future of World of Darkness.

clear delta Jul 10, 2025, 3:08 PM

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I like spirits that besides maximizing essence and power, care for people in an alien way
White Agora trying to give relief to overwhelmed people
The wolf spirit touchstone believing abandoning civilization will solve the werewolf's stresses

grave gulch Jul 10, 2025, 3:16 PM

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high current https://www.polygon.com/news/612076/white-wolf-jess-lanzillo-dungeons-dragons-ma...

Not sure how to feel about that

high current Jul 10, 2025, 3:25 PM

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yeah, paradox also did a press release about it with more or less the same info and on one hand, she seems to be familiar with WoD and actually give a shit about the games and the brand, on the other, i have no idea what work she actually did at WotC so i have no idea if she's actually going to be any good or not vvShrug

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https://dungeonsanddragonsfan.com/dnd-vp-jess-lanzillo-leaves-wotc/

During her brief tenure, she oversaw a number of major initiatives, including the revamping of core rulebooks, the 50th anniversary of Dungeons & Dragons and the development of the now defunct Project Sigil VTT.
these are not points in her favor

untold elm Jul 10, 2025, 4:22 PM

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She was in Creative at mtg for several years and then was wotc chief of staff before they made her vp of dnd. She definitely had a very narrow window in which to do anything

rapid glacier Jul 11, 2025, 3:21 AM

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New W5 book is good and I’m glad they out in more stuff about Caern life and how it pertains to spirits and things, saves me a ton of time writing out stuff myself

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Now I’m curious what other kinda splats they’ll do since it feels like most of the bases are covered here now

strong bronze Jul 12, 2025, 7:22 PM

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how effective would it be

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for a nosfie to swat a hunter camp

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like

a nosferatu decides that going out and dealing with the hunters himself isnt ideal

so he calls the swat on them on a anonymous tip about a bunch of lunatics raving about vampires with enough weaponry to take down a small city

mighty zephyr Jul 12, 2025, 7:30 PM

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It doesn't have to be specifically a nosferatu

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but also swatting enemies is how the Cammies busted shreknet open

clear delta Jul 12, 2025, 7:32 PM

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If you wanna direct gangs or police to take out your enemies, there are many ways to do it

rapid glacier Jul 12, 2025, 10:12 PM

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Getting the cops called on you is a time honored WoD PC group tradition it actually doing it to other NPCs usually backfires like how Voy said

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It’s, without exaggeration, how the Second Inquisition got its legs this time around because someone leaked Schrecknet to them and they sat on it for a while

clear delta Jul 12, 2025, 10:13 PM

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So instead throw gangs at them

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Or ruin their social lives

rapid glacier Jul 12, 2025, 10:14 PM

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And then call the cops on the gangs

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Or yeah that, if it’s possible

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Hunters exist as a specific type of threat in the splats, one that you can’t really predict or deal with easily predicted ways

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So you could call the cops on them, but it’ll probably get the FBI or IAO involved in whatever you’re doing

clear delta Jul 12, 2025, 10:16 PM

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Hunters stockpiling weapons and drafting plans
The nefarious obfuscated malkavian, who has learned everything about them and is setting up the collapse of their lives:

rapid glacier Jul 12, 2025, 10:18 PM

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You know what I need to look in the Hunter book and see if Hunternet is still canon

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Because if it is , that could be an avenue of attack for a Kindred, since I think it was speculated to have been managed by the same Nos who did Schrecknet in the first place

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Oh you know what, you want a good way to deal with a Hunter cell and make trouble without directly involving a call to the cops? Get a home inspector or CPS involved

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Just make annoying regular people talk to them constantly

clear delta Jul 12, 2025, 10:20 PM

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Have rats chew their wiring

rapid glacier Jul 12, 2025, 10:21 PM

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Yeah and you’re already a Nos, they can be spooky rats for intel gathering

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They probably won’t live very long but being a nuisance works, and then if you can nail down their stockpiles or homes, then you can act on that more directly

clear delta Jul 12, 2025, 10:26 PM

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Can also have henchmen pretend to be criminal loan sharks
A hunter will already look off and secretive to loved ones
They'd easily believe the hunter fucked up and attracted legbreakers

spice abyss Jul 12, 2025, 11:28 PM

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The best defense against Hunters is clean eating and not getting on the radar in the first place.

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But if you have to deal with them.

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They need things you don't

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Food, money, housing.

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 2:07 AM

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I get to run a VASCU game for Hunter!

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 2:11 AM

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hell yeah

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 2:16 AM

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And now I will see how many people will be able to spot me using Nerdy Prudes Must Die as the inspiration. 😛

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 2:17 AM

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https://youtube.com/shorts/idyJXbZOITM?si=vpOtpfdEgBQ6erSR

YouTube

ThirdChildFilms

Work In Progress Clip...💀🔥👻 #starkid

▶ Play video

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is it this one specifically

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 2:18 AM

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Not that one speciifcally, but it is what led to it yes.

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 2:19 AM

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Best representation of a CofD ghost

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 2:19 AM

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Absolutely.

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I am going to retool Max there just a bit, both because VASCU and to make things less obvious.

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We get to have the exciting modernity of Nerd Bully.

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 2:20 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/musk-cybertruck-bad-future-techbro-apple-vr-gif-9393691545719057399

Tenor

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 2:21 AM

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Cryptobro - High School Edition.

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 2:21 AM

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wait

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actually hold on

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 2:23 AM

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spice abyss Cryptobro - High School Edition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY73pVlZjLg

YouTube

Hydraulic Beanbag

caught lacking

shidding in the school bathrooms is not a viable strategy
sometimes even if there's nobody there the toilet can be so gross that it has fermented piss crystals all over the lid

learn more

▶ Play video

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb20kHvX6Oc

YouTube

Hydraulic Beanbag

caught lacking again

who wouldn't want to crunk the bape kings vapor rod
broreallybroreally bro really, and to furthermore this advent of instanceitiveness, the vape kings lord of season 2 of show dot com, boof the ultimate grumblo in minecraft, in real life fr fr ong no cap

nooo oOo OOooooh SSHHhoooooooT

learn more

▶ Play video

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 2:24 AM

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Oh good lord what is that thing

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 2:24 AM

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average vaper

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I'm also going to have this happen to a player in my cyberpunk game

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 2:58 AM

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So another chat gave me the perfect suggestion for where to pull from for Nerd Bully.

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Obviously he's the captain of the debate team.

rapid glacier Jul 14, 2025, 3:55 AM

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Insufferable philosophy ‘expert’ who misunderstands basic ethics is also a good one

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Nobody wants to give a swirly to anymore more

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WoD is just werewolves and vampires shoving Charlie Kirk-types into a locker in perpetuity

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Sometimes there is a wizard

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 4:00 AM

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God, I forgot how mundane but incredibly useful the VASCU psychic powers are.

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Even with computers, background checks take time. Often, the first that a VASCU agent learns about projecting her senses involves speeding up the process. Working from a single piece of information — a photograph, a name, address, or license plate, for example — she can trace back, digging up everything from criminal records to bank details, credit reports, phone records, even down to individual school report cards. As long as the agent has an Internet connection, she can find whatever she needs.

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 5:56 AM

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i have acquired beast
i will read Beast tomorrow

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 5:58 AM

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Oh boy

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 5:59 AM

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the thing is

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basically

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everything people have told me about Beast has been like
"Woah this is right up my alley"

But also

"Woah that isnt how i wouldve written that"

so

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im gonna open the pdf

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and see for myself

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whether this is indeed

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somthing that i might actually...like

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:01 AM

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Beast is l, in think, a good game bogged down by a lack of clear direction it did not get until the players guide

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:01 AM

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mhm mhm

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:02 AM

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Theres the obvious fluff problems and a few specific mechanics that can ruin the game

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But the bones are good

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:02 AM

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i see i see

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that sounds about right

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anyway i AM genuinely excited to read the pdf and form my own opinions on it

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:07 AM

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Enjoy

rapid glacier Jul 14, 2025, 6:10 AM

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What is Beast about? Like what’s its deal, I’ve never even seen the book for it before

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:12 AM

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rapid glacier What is Beast about? Like what’s its deal, I’ve never even seen the book for it ...

You play as a Beast, a manifestation of a fear of the collective human consciousness as living in the soul of a human being.

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You are both nightmare and person in equal measure, and you go around building your legend and your lair whilst causing your particular fear to stay fed

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:15 AM

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the particular parts that appealed to me, karen are

"You play as a monster that feeds in a particularly bad way"
"everybody hates you"
"Also theyre right to hate you"

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all of this is

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really strong for me

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also i heard my good friend fluffy describe them as "half-flesh but for goetia" which parses to me so

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yeah im excited to try giving it a read

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despite all caveats

rapid glacier Jul 14, 2025, 6:17 AM

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That’s kinda wild, kinda reminds me of In Nomine if it were playable, a bit?

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Tulpa Simulator

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:17 AM

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hybrid dock the particular parts that appealed to me, karen are "You play as a monster tha...

Yeah the weird direction of Beast is that it was a mismanaged writing team where half of the team were veterans writing unabashed monsters and newer writers writing queer allegories

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:17 AM

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Mhm mhm

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:17 AM

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The combination is why the misinformation of "the writer of beast wrote it as abuse apologia" is so prevalent

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:18 AM

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Mhm mhm

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Nodnod

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:18 AM

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rapid glacier That’s kinda wild, kinda reminds me of In Nomine if it were playable, a bit?

Its kinda like Chainsaw Man tbh

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Devil's and Horrors work surprisingly similar

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:18 AM

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I’m excited to read it in the mindset of fucked up horrible beasts living in the same reality as incredibly soggy beasts

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I like soggy horrors

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:18 AM

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Theres an entire splat about being soggy

rapid glacier Jul 14, 2025, 6:18 AM

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mighty zephyr The combination is why the misinformation of "the writer of beast wrote it as ab...

Ah I would probably bounce off this hard, if I wanted to play people feeling bad about being themselves vampire and werewolf are like right there

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:18 AM

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I like being hated and it kinda being deserved but also not wanting to be a bad person this is like

My favorite shit

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:19 AM

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But like in the living in the ocean way

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:19 AM

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In the water sense voy-

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Yeah

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It was in the water sense

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:19 AM

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rapid glacier Ah I would probably bounce off this hard, if I wanted to play people feeling bad...

No

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You don’t get it

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:19 AM

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rapid glacier Ah I would probably bounce off this hard, if I wanted to play people feeling bad...

I mean there's very specifically no morality meter

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:19 AM

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you don’t get what I’m looking for

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:19 AM

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You can just Do Shit

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My Beast Connie struggled under essentially being enslaved by the local Mages even though they kept him fed

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:20 AM

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OH THATS SO FUN

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:20 AM

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Because he specifically wanted to kill people

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:20 AM

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THATS SO GOOD

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:20 AM

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so bad

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:20 AM

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That’s so funny

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:21 AM

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He made sideroom deals with changelings to hide them in his lair to lure huntsmen into his lair

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To eat them

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:21 AM

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THATS SO FUNNY

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:21 AM

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He was an insane predatory monster

rapid glacier Jul 14, 2025, 6:21 AM

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Running this sounds difficult

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I bet it’s great for small groups though

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:21 AM

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The hardest part is lair management

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And making base Heroes scary

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Because they suck in the crb

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:22 AM

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I like that beasts seem to be, from my understanding, either some of the worst people ever or some of the soggiest saddest fucks imaginable

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:22 AM

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Yup

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:22 AM

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It’s

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So good to me

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That’s juicy

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:22 AM

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Also

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:22 AM

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That’s juice

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:22 AM

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Domain expansion

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Built in

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You can just do it

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:23 AM

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Yesssss

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Aahahahhahaha

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Yesssssss

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Me (the sickos)

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:23 AM

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If an area is resonant with your lair you can drop it on reality

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:23 AM

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Yeah I’ve heard

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That part seems cool

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:23 AM

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So classic example is turning the fire sprinklers on and suddenly the building is under the sea

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Connie could lair drop if it got too dark

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:24 AM

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Connie is cool

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I’m gonna be sleeping soon but tomorrow I’m gonna read this

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:24 AM

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That game sucked ass unfortunately

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That was the horrible multiple splat mage game i was in

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:25 AM

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That’s unfortunate to hear

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:(((

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:25 AM

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With the ST who doled out plot relevance via how much sex your character had with his STPC

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I ruled though

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:25 AM

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You rules

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:25 AM

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Made so many good characters who i stick with still

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:25 AM

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God bless

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:26 AM

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I even got to use Connie in Sukus chainsawman game

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:26 AM

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Oooo

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:26 AM

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Where he unhinged his torso like a jaw and had a coyote headed hydra pop out of it

marble sorrel Jul 14, 2025, 6:26 AM

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Part of the antipathy to beast also comes from 'Okay but this is world of darkness. most mythological monsters have at least one other splat saying they're connected to it' + 'Beast not seeming to entirely get how some other splats work'.

Like their take on Demons being 'If I pulled off your face, would there be anything left?' iirc and there being a very clear answer of 'yes and it would be very angry at you'.

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:26 AM

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And ate a town

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Well Demons and Beasts fundamentally misunderstand and hate each other

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That is very built into them

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:27 AM

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That does seem to be the case

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:28 AM

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Weirdly as someone who dislike the usual vampire and werewolf rivalry

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I think this is funny and good and interesting

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I think because its so fringe

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Its like finding out that the guy on the 1st floor and the guy on the 10th floor hate each other

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:28 AM

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It does seem so bizarrely specific

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:28 AM

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Like how did you ever foster this

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:29 AM

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The weird robot demons from the matrix and the nightmares beneath humanity have weird beef for some reason

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Why them

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Is there beef with angels????

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Is it just demons???????

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:29 AM

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Yes its the god machine in general I think

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:29 AM

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Is this a bit from the god machine? Does copper taste bad?

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Oh that would track yeah

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:29 AM

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Something about the dark mother and the gm being incompatible

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:29 AM

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I mean I’m glad someone has beef with the gm

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That’s like

marble sorrel Jul 14, 2025, 6:30 AM

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Heroes also...really were not written well. Mostly in the sense that well...a hero is 100% the Beast's fault but then you had the people writing it as queer analogy and 'You are the reason people are bigoted against you' didn't go well there.

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:30 AM

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It’s weird more things don’t have open beef with it

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:30 AM

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Primordial Divorce

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:30 AM

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marble sorrel Heroes also...really were not written well. Mostly in the sense that well...a he...

Mhm mhm

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I kinda like heroes when they’re justified. Conceptually.

Cus like

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:30 AM

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Conquering Heroes did so much to make Heroes cooler and more interesting

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:30 AM

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I dunno

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My juice and desire with beast is

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“Actually it’s kinda reasonable for people to hate what you are given what you are. That kinda sucks though given you are you. Sorry.”

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I see I see

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Perhaps I’ll check out conquering heroes afterwards!!

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:31 AM

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I think the fun thing about Heroes is that they're only so mildly superhuman

marble sorrel Jul 14, 2025, 6:31 AM

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The corebook also imo went way too hard into trying to go 'Nobody likes heroes, despite their innate power to rile up angry mobs like gaston' where it talks about how even Hunters hate heroes.

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:32 AM

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The corebook writes them bad yeah

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:32 AM

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I’ll make sure to go into the book with the idea that heroes are actually cool in mind then

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Cus I do think heroes are cool

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From what I’ve heard, at least

heady kestrel Jul 14, 2025, 6:33 AM

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(I started beast posting after going on a wiki dive and sold Karen on them, but haven’t actually read book just a wiki dive)

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:33 AM

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I was going to run in my new york game a Hero being helpful to the party

heady kestrel Jul 14, 2025, 6:33 AM

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Are insatiables cool?
Again, fake fan here

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They seemed neat conceptually

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:33 AM

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Insatiables are indeed cool

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Imo some of the best CoFD writing is when they take a sorta

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Ecological approach

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And insatiable hit that

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:34 AM

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heady kestrel (I started beast posting after going on a wiki dive and sold Karen on them, but ...

This is so funny to me

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Fluffy wiki posting to me about beast and me going

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“Oh wow beast seems cool”

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And then the Caveats ™ get told to me

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But I’m glad to finally be trying to form my own thoughts now

marble sorrel Jul 14, 2025, 6:35 AM

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There is some minor mention in the corebook about heroes being the natural link between the dark and humanity, heir to shamans and such which I think really could have been a better focus than 'Heroes are the guys pushing Beasts into the Locker'. Where it basicly goes 'heroes are bad because they try to make their trauma about how They feel instead of how humans should learn a lesson from their trauma'.

I'll admit I've not read the beast expansions, the corebook kinda turned me off it.

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:35 AM

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mighty zephyr I was going to run in my new york game a Hero being helpful to the party

Oh????

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Oh wait the mage New York game????

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:35 AM

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No another one

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Same setting

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:35 AM

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Oh ok-OH ok

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:36 AM

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This was a mortal game

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:36 AM

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I see

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:37 AM

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A beast mobster was gonna be one of the first antagonists

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:38 AM

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Fuck yeah

heady kestrel Jul 14, 2025, 6:40 AM

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Strix are insane in chronicles of darkness

Anytime I am reading a book and the Strix come up its like, actual cryptid, what the hell are you what are you doing here

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:41 AM

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Hey Tokyo werewolves, what are you up to
"We just made a Strix our Totem."

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https://tenor.com/view/you-what-fish-yell-spongebob-gif-18159874

Tenor

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:43 AM

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I one time had a thought for a destroyer demon who has beef with strix because their old angelic purposeful was to be a strix like, exterminator.
Not exactly exterminator but, I hear that they like to cause problems. for infrastructure

heady kestrel Jul 14, 2025, 6:43 AM

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Im still not over “strix can do parasitic wasp shit to god machine infrastructure in order to reproduce but make a bunch of weird monsters whenever they do that”

You are BREATH OWLS that act as a SPLAT VILLAIN for VAMPIRES

Why can you give the god machine cancer

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When I first heard about contagion chronicles I was half expecting The Strix to become the central metaplot antagonist

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Because they are built like that

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:45 AM

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Strix are funny because they have so little ink that is not just "fuck you"

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What's their motivation "fuck you"
What are their abilities "fuck you"
How do they interact with other splats "fuck you"

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https://tenor.com/view/night-white-owl-gif-6362853098022636771

Tenor

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The bird is indeed the word

heady kestrel Jul 14, 2025, 6:47 AM

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I feel like if Strix were the main antagonists of contagion chronicles I wouldn’t even be mad

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They could get away with that

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:47 AM

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I mean you could juat make one it

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Theres a potency 10 strix in the GMs brain

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:48 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/bird-up-gif-13150403

Tenor

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The fuckin “bird up!” Riff in my head when a strix attacks you

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Because eat shit and die

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:48 AM

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God I need to add bird up to my soundboard for cyberpunk

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I decided all Raven ICE is just a png of a bird man sliding at you without animation

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While bird up plays

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:49 AM

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Terrifying

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:50 AM

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This was, after like 4 sessions and several violent encounters

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The first damage I landed on the player

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:50 AM

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The bird up riff for the strix is so terrifying

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:50 AM

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The Prince snaps his head 180 degrees at you

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Bird up

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:50 AM

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Hahahahahha

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:50 AM

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Dead touchstone rises from the grave

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Bird up

heady kestrel Jul 14, 2025, 6:51 AM

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….

What would a rank 10 strix even be like

Like I can imagine archangels,and spirit-gods and Cthonic overlords
I can wrap my mind around what a high ranking Qaushalim or Goetia or supernal entity would be like

What the heck is a rank 10 Strix

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Or wait are Strix even a spirit type?

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:52 AM

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Bird that swallows the sun

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:52 AM

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They are not

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:52 AM

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Or something

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Idk

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It’s him

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The headmaster of the bleak academy

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:52 AM

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They are ephemeral beings but they aren't spirits

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:52 AM

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Why is he considered strix? Fuck you

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:52 AM

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They're something to the left

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:52 AM

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It’s he the lord of deaths dominion he he’s back

heady kestrel Jul 14, 2025, 6:52 AM

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Ye sorry bad phrasing I more meant

Do they work with the spirit rules

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:52 AM

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WAIT THIS IS WHAT NIGHTBIRD’S FEATHER WAS ABOUT FLUFFY

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IT WAS ABOUT THE STRIX THE WHOLE TIME

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:52 AM

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Kinda but they dont have Rank

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They have a 1 to 10 stat

heady kestrel Jul 14, 2025, 6:53 AM

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hybrid dock IT WAS ABOUT THE STRIX THE WHOLE TIME

SO TRUE KAREN

heady kestrel Jul 14, 2025, 6:53 AM

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mighty zephyr They have a 1 to 10 stat

Icic

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:53 AM

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I think their stat is ug

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Shadow Potency?

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Cuz blood potency

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And vampire made first so the rules are kinda bad syndrome

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:54 AM

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Strix who says “it’s me Valentina sosunov watch me use my iconic world breaker’s hand”

“What”

“[extended sounds of things no longer existing]”

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Freak ass birds

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:54 AM

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The only thing I think i would change about strix

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Is not making them specifically just owls

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But all birds

heady kestrel Jul 14, 2025, 6:54 AM

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hybrid dock Strix who says “it’s me Valentina sosunov watch me use my iconic world breaker’s...

Strix who inexplicably can preform Wyrd miracles

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:55 AM

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Built like that

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:55 AM

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Okay

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What's the worst thing a strix can possess

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:55 AM

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Like for the possessed, the world, or the strix

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:55 AM

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The world

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:55 AM

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Mhm mhm

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:56 AM

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Werewolf is obviously up there

heady kestrel Jul 14, 2025, 6:56 AM

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mighty zephyr But all birds

I feel like that’s pretty fair

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:56 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/merlo-uccelli-uccello-cammina-bird-gif-27694882

Tenor

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Imagine this but evil

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I guess a demon or mummy would be the worst

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And I do not think either are immune to possession

heady kestrel Jul 14, 2025, 6:57 AM

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mighty zephyr What's the worst thing a strix can possess

Gonna go a bit off the beaten path here

Not sure if their classified as corpses but I wouldn’t be surprised

The Tass Relic-Corpse of an ascended mage

rapid glacier Jul 14, 2025, 6:57 AM

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The ocean

heady kestrel Jul 14, 2025, 6:57 AM

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mighty zephyr And I do not think either are immune to possession

Oh I thought mummies would be immune to something like that

rapid glacier Jul 14, 2025, 6:58 AM

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They’d become that water monster from Dragon’s Dogma

marble sorrel Jul 14, 2025, 6:58 AM

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Hmm...by default in V20, Werewolf claws don't ignore armour, do they? They're aggravated but it doesn't seem like they bypass armour.

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:58 AM

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Mummies are immune to fate and time and death magic

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But not possession iirc

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I think there's claw gifts specifically for bypassing armor

rapid glacier Jul 14, 2025, 6:59 AM

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Yeah Razor Claws do for sure

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But that’s a Gift

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I think the Crinos and Hispo bites might by default though

heady kestrel Jul 14, 2025, 7:00 AM

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heady kestrel Gonna go a bit off the beaten path here Not sure if their classified as corpses...

I partially say this because anytime one of these is discovered its a huge race between all the mages to see who finds it and uses its power

But imagine, for just a moment, everyone’s horror as a Fucking Bird got it first

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 7:01 AM

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bird up

marble sorrel Jul 14, 2025, 7:03 AM

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Setting things up to give our primary combat idiot his best odds against a werewolf. Obviously, we don't want to fight them but well, 'do you fight the werewolf' tends to be the werewolf's decision.

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Unfortunately, Plate Armour is a bit too advanced for Dark Ages Vampire but Blood Tempered Mastercraft Chain Armour should hopefully at least blunt the mauling he'll get.

rapid glacier Jul 14, 2025, 7:08 AM

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Ooof

marble sorrel Jul 14, 2025, 7:08 AM

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And a Silver Javelin with the right bonuses is...8A, Can't Soak before any successes. Likely won't kill the werewolf but it might at least make 'start a fight' less tempting an option.

Kinda funny to be preparing this hard for fights we don't want to happen but you know what they say 'If you want peace, prepare for war'

rapid glacier Jul 14, 2025, 7:08 AM

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Have you tried faking his death and hoping the werewolf fucks off bored?

marble sorrel Jul 14, 2025, 7:09 AM

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rapid glacier Have you tried faking his death and hoping the werewolf fucks off bored?

Not really an option. This is kinda His Home/The campaign is about the local area.

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And we're kinda well...trying to not start a fight with the werewolf.

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As we'd much rather he not be an enemy when there are bigger problems than any of us.

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Also: Aininur's girlfriend would get really angry if they killed her brother/got killed by him, so that's extra reason not to fight if we can talk it out.

rapid glacier Jul 14, 2025, 7:15 AM

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Guess you gotta hope it’s not a Get, they’re not big on chatting with wyrmspawn

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Even polite ones

marble sorrel Jul 14, 2025, 7:16 AM

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Aininur has some minor leverage over him socially, which will hopefully help.

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Mostly the fact that he's the reason she's a vampire.

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He gutted her when she was alive in a frenzy and the only reason she's still about is because a vampire saved her.

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 7:16 AM

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I think the main one you want to avoid is a silent strider

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Because they specifically will be like "oh I have a moral obligation to specifically uproot and destroy this vampire and everything they stand for"

marble sorrel Jul 14, 2025, 7:21 AM

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Shadow Lord Galliard (His sister is a Ragabash)

rapid glacier Jul 14, 2025, 7:27 AM

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Oh pffffff yeah you can probably make a deal there

marble sorrel Jul 14, 2025, 7:28 AM

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I hope so because the 'bigger problem' is Baali and Black Spiral Dancers.

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...huh, werewolf 5 replaced the Fianna.

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 7:38 AM

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Yeah

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They're now the Hart Wardens and are much more generally bawdy paladins focused on protecting hearth and home.

marble sorrel Jul 14, 2025, 7:40 AM

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That's a shame. Man, WoD can't stop going 'Hey, I see you have Irish mythology here. What if you...didn't?'

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 7:40 AM

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Idk if the Fianna are good Irish representation in any real regard

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You can also still just have Irish Werewolves

marble sorrel Jul 14, 2025, 7:41 AM

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It was kinda mixed but the choice of Fianna for the name was honestly a stroke of brilliance/I'm not sure they quite got how well it worked when they made it. As that's not really just 'Irish', that's a very specific thing.

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 7:41 AM

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There is in fact an entire new visual novel/CYOA about specifically that

marble sorrel Jul 14, 2025, 7:43 AM

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The Fianna were warrior bands who's stories are characterized by extreme emotions, boasting and living larger than life. So it avoided 'Oh yeah, all Irish are super emotional/angry' by tying it more specifically into a group within that mythology.

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 7:43 AM

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Well they still dealt with the other stereotypes

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Being hard drinking fighting Catholics who did not believe in sexual contraception and thus had a ton of kids

marble sorrel Jul 14, 2025, 7:44 AM

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I mean the 'hard drinking fighting and fucking' was the Fianna mythologically.

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Hence me saying it made for a very good name as it's more tailored than just 'Irish', it's a specific group within that mythology known for those traits.

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Especially with the links in many stories between the Fianna and the Werewolves of Ossory, one of the earliest mythological werewolves we know of.

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It's weird to see werewolf remove perhaps the single best theming they got with any of the tribes.

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 7:51 AM

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I dont think it was worth it if it meant keeping in "tribes are This ethnicity"

marble sorrel Jul 14, 2025, 7:52 AM

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I mean, I don't think that was really needing to be kept. To become Fianna was a thing you chose to become, not something you were born to.

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It's a joining of a group.

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 7:52 AM

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Except it was, also.

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The Tribe Fiana

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Not the mythological one

marble sorrel Jul 14, 2025, 7:53 AM

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Sure but if they're changing things I'm not sure 'the Fianna exist' was really the thing that needed changing, so much as the 'tribes are this ethnicity'.

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 7:54 AM

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If they change the Fiana from being Irish they should also probably not name them specifically the Irish name

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There is absolutely nothing stopping you from saying "this is how The Irish Werewolves work and call themselves" but now someone in Hong Kong can be a Hart Warden and it not feel weird

marble sorrel Jul 14, 2025, 7:56 AM

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I mean, Children of Gaia made it to 5e.

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That one likely also needed a rename there

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 7:56 AM

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Idk what they'd rename Gaia to

marble sorrel Jul 14, 2025, 7:57 AM

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Sure but like...it's a very culturally specific name

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 7:58 AM

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I mean yeah, the Black Furies also probably could have done with a slight name change

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But its much less egregious since they weren't cultural stereotypes to begin with imo

marble sorrel Jul 14, 2025, 7:58 AM

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...wait, 5e still has Fomori...okay, yeah this feels like a really half-assed name changing. XD

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 7:59 AM

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It wasn't half-assed just Late.

marble sorrel Jul 14, 2025, 7:59 AM

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If you're excising cultural names that one really should have been top of the list

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 8:00 AM

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The whole change on tribes and not making the Get just Nazis didnt happen until way late into W5s development

rapid glacier Jul 14, 2025, 8:07 AM

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I don’t think fomor/fomori were really that much of an issue to begin with but I’m not up on my Irish myth

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Fomors are like monsters in Irish myth right?

marble sorrel Jul 14, 2025, 8:09 AM

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They're one of the people of Ireland. They came before the Firbolg and the Tuatha De Dannan.

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They're generally treated as misshapen giants but they're not Inherently Evil. The war against Balor was a Civil War (He was supporting some of his kin for King), not 'fighting monsters'.

rapid glacier Jul 14, 2025, 8:11 AM

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Word? I’ve never really got into Irish mythology outside of brushing up against it in other media like games, they’re not portrayed much differently than in those either

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Learn something new every day

marble sorrel Jul 14, 2025, 8:12 AM

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It's basicly one of the most culturally specific names you could have. They're thought by a lot of mythology scholars to be representations of the dangers of nature.

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I'd honestly put them above the Fianna in 'Oof, you're just using names'. XD

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 8:16 AM

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At the very least they give alternative names for em

marble sorrel Jul 14, 2025, 8:16 AM

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Ironically, it would be a much better name for the spirits that werewolves entreat than wyrm related stuff. XD

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Especially in 5.

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 8:16 AM

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I think this is a specific in universe argument that gets brought up

marble sorrel Jul 14, 2025, 8:17 AM

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Sure but I can remain annoyed that they kept the worse Irish Mythology representation while removing the better one. 😛

rapid glacier Jul 14, 2025, 8:18 AM

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Better is doing a lot of heavy lifting, since from what I remember of the Fianna entries in the old books they were made to sound like IRA werewolves (as told by colonialism)

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It’s moot now, the change is in already, you can just change the names back if you want to for a home game

marble sorrel Jul 14, 2025, 8:20 AM

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rapid glacier Better is doing a lot of heavy lifting, since from what I remember of the Fianna...

So, to give a little context - That's because the IRA draws heavily on the mythology of the Fianna. So it's less 'IRA werewolves' and more 'The IRA draw on the myth of the Fianna, so anything based on the Fianna is going to have some overlap'.

rapid glacier Jul 14, 2025, 8:21 AM

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Sure but I’m fairly certain that was not well known when they wrote the book originally , so first impressions are “catholic werewolves who drink and blow up stuff and party and are Irish”

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I remember being young and dumb and still looking askew at that (and the Wendigo)

marble sorrel Jul 14, 2025, 8:23 AM

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While I'm very much into Irish history and mythology and I filed them under 'Kinda flawed but I really liked them, could do with a second edition like a lot of things'.

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...I dunno. I just kinda wish that Fomori wasn't literally the only remaining bit of Irish Mythology in WoD after both Changeling and Player Character Werewolf stuff got it scoured out, when Fomori is the most 'You're not doing much with the mythology, you're just using names' of them.

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 8:24 AM

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Changeling hasn't been scoured out

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Its getting a new edition after Mage.

marble sorrel Jul 14, 2025, 8:25 AM

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...that's not what I said. XD

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I said the Irish Mythology stuff had been scoured out of Changeling.

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 8:26 AM

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That's what I meant

rapid glacier Jul 14, 2025, 8:36 AM

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Man I hope they have some mage teasers at gen con

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Mage is the one of those games I never got to play or run because it’s so damn daunting

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Werewolf is easy, Vampire is tricky and complicated, but Mage is another level of insane entirely

marble sorrel Jul 14, 2025, 8:37 AM

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I doubt it's turning up ever but I hope once they do the mainline games they finally turn to oWoD demon but...well, going by statements...unlikely to happen.

rapid glacier Jul 14, 2025, 8:37 AM

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Great antagonists though

marble sorrel Jul 14, 2025, 8:39 AM

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...that does remind me. Aininur's gunna need to be careful about Knights Templar and their mages. So far they're not actively hostile/haven't started anything but she's also A) Vocally Not Christian B) In Dark Ages Poland B) Hanging around with a Tremere so they're a concern.

rapid glacier Jul 14, 2025, 8:42 AM

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Supposedly getting a V5 dark ages book, too, that’ll be interesting if it’s a whole new corebook or just a splat

marble sorrel Jul 14, 2025, 8:49 AM

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...also man, I'd forgotten how hard True Faith hits mages in V20.

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-True Faith rating successes before any resistance rolls is a lot of reduced successes.

clear delta Jul 14, 2025, 10:08 AM

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mighty zephyr Best representation of a CofD ghost

I also like ghosts of living people.
What a curveball to throw at players
A ghost enacting the grudge of a living person

marble sorrel Jul 14, 2025, 10:58 AM

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Even if they're gunna almost certainly make it less Celtic-Mythology Heavy, I'm hopeful for Changeling. Getting an update on Dreaming is nice, as it's basicly been supplanted by Lost and having a distinct 'No, this isn't Lost, this is Dreaming' with rules that don't blow chunks will be nice.

high current Jul 14, 2025, 12:17 PM

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mighty zephyr The combination is why the misinformation of "the writer of beast wrote it as ab...

no i think that was because the writer of beast was an abuser VVSipp
https://theonyxpath.com/about-matt-mcfarland/
(there was a lot in Beast that lined up with the abuse apologia stuff, but whether that was entirely on mcfarland or just a combination of him and the experienced writers doing monsters and the less experienced onces doing queer allegories, rooSHRUG )

Onyx Path Publishing

richt

About Matt McFarland

clear delta Jul 14, 2025, 12:21 PM

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REgardless, I just don't talk about beast, mostly
Way too easy to draw discourse

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I quit a mage server because of it
I had just heard there were inexperienced writers and matt neglecting to coordinate things as a lead dev so I thought "Oh, matt didn't coordinate things so the inexperienced writers wrote this contrast of queer allegory and complete mosnters". I was told that writers are just given sections to write and the head has to make sure it all follows properly
So I'm like, okay, good to know. But I note the other user seems to believe I was shit talking the experienced devs who worked there, so I try to correct that
And realize the person is seeming angrier and angrier, and ask about it. And both he and another user come in to say I "internalized" that beast had issues because of all the devs and I'm "insisting" that's the reason it had problems

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 2:12 PM

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i am now awake and Ready to read

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okay yeah first page in

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i see what youre talking about voy

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"we teach lessons and wisdom-"
buddy i think you do a little more than that

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 2:16 PM

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high current no i think that was because the writer of beast was an abuser <a:VVSipp:46384297...

Yes, I know this.
This is still misinformation because he wasn't "the writer". Beast had the biggest writing team of any splat thus far. He was the lead dev but he was also the lead dev on Changeling 20th and actually did "write" dozens of other books.

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 2:34 PM

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Oh hey, I'm looking forward to your thoughts on Beast Karen!

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 2:34 PM

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woo!

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it seemed, despite everything, like something really up my alley

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so i wanted to give it a shot and actually form my own opinions

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 2:34 PM

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I whole-heartedly support that. It's what I wound up doing.

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 2:34 PM

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yay!

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 2:35 PM

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I'll let you keep at it.

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 2:35 PM

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i got distracted by farum azula but yeah i'll probably get back to it soon

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i gotta say spontaneous beasthood is REALLY FUNNY

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 2:41 PM

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That's how I've always pitched it to my players.

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 2:41 PM

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i gotta say i prefer it

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aw damn beasts cant become immortal ? so sad

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 2:44 PM

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Welll

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Pin that for the Player's Guide.

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 2:45 PM

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:0

clear delta Jul 14, 2025, 2:47 PM

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I hear player's guide fix most beast issues, but what I ehard about the tallassi makes it a bit of a hard sell to me
Anyone who already read it, what do you think of them?

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 2:50 PM

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Mechanically the most interesting subsplat.

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 2:51 PM

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I’ll need to pick up the players guide then

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 3:30 PM

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okay yeah i see what you guys mean from the way the book portrays heroes

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like yeah murder sucks but y'know

I can kinda see why the "trauma monster who traumatizes you to eat your fear" doesnt actually win many favors in public opinion

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 3:41 PM

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Correct!

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But at least they're not vampires.

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~~I maintain the sometimes unpopular position that Beasts are less gross than Vampires~~

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 3:42 PM

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I mean I'd say it's at the very least "about as bad"

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 3:43 PM

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i suppose one feeds by traumatizing you remotely and the other feeds by literally drinking the life out of you

clear delta Jul 14, 2025, 3:43 PM

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Technically, you can feed as a vampire without much trauma or harm

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 3:44 PM

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Well, kinda

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 3:44 PM

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true yes

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 3:44 PM

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It's almost impossible to do so ethically on the regular

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 3:44 PM

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i dont necessarily want to actually say which is better or worse cus im not interested in that but

theres some comparisons to be made

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 3:44 PM

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Beasts can also feed ethically depending on their Horror

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Like a Beast can feed by just smashing windows in a rich neighborhood

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 3:44 PM

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The Beast-Vamp comparison is a very good point to point.

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And part of it comes down to Beasts being more variable in how they get to eat.

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~~Also the fun trolley problem that is "Do I just let the Horror feed itself?"~~

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 3:46 PM

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also man beasts deciding everyone else is actually their sibling is so funny

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 3:46 PM

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spice abyss ~~Also the fun trolley problem that is "Do I just let the Horror feed itself?"~~

TRUE

clear delta Jul 14, 2025, 3:46 PM

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Never got beast feeding from the outside as I didn't read it
So is is about the painful emotions from the act? Or is it about the act itself?

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 3:46 PM

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It is specifically the trauma.

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 3:46 PM

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Yeah

clear delta Jul 14, 2025, 3:46 PM

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How specific is each beast's feeding act?

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 3:46 PM

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It doesn't count if someone doesn't get fucked up

velvet sparrow Jul 14, 2025, 3:47 PM

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...

Now I'm also kinda interested in Beast

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 3:47 PM

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Beasts can feed in any resonant way with their horror

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from "nibbles" to Killing Someone

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For instance a predatory Beast could feed by just following someone for a suspiciously long time at night

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 3:48 PM

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I had a player who kept his Horror fed by being an incredibly shitty to his employees Best Buy manager.

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 3:48 PM

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ive already slowly started pondering a beast oc that plays up a very villainous outer persona and on the inside is constantly stressed, tired, sad, and freaking out

velvet sparrow Jul 14, 2025, 3:48 PM

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Yeah that sounds like a Karen character

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 3:48 PM

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of course it is!!

clear delta Jul 14, 2025, 3:48 PM

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So how do you avoid being a criminal/prankster with a weird MO? Seems against tone

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 3:49 PM

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Well, the good news is that it's World of Darkness.

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You can aim at a jackass.

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Or, if you the person don't want to do things

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You can let the Horror feed itself.

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 3:49 PM

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The thing about Beast is that you wildly fluctuate in satiety a lot

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since you spend it to fuel your powers

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So "nibbling" does not actually do much for you if you're starving

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 3:50 PM

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im reading through here and also

cant you also create weird nightmares? or do those not feed you

ill need to read further in

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 3:50 PM

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hybrid dock im reading through here and also cant you also create weird nightmares? or do t...

Yes

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 3:50 PM

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You can create nightmares and feed that way, yes!

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 3:50 PM

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You can jump into people's brains

heady kestrel Jul 14, 2025, 3:51 PM

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Criminal/Prankster with a weird MO feels like a solid % of beasts

Add another % for weird vigilantes

And some more for “I don’t wanna pull the lever(though their inaction can be just as harmful as anything sometimes)”

You can feed by encouraging/helping other supernaturals feed, though this opens up Other Types Of Problematic

Or you could play shit straight and be a fear demon supervillan

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 3:52 PM

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mighty zephyr You can jump into people's brains

cool and epic

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love that shit (fully earnest

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 3:52 PM

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The Player's Guide also lets you summon "Horrorspawn"

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which is your Horror having babies

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 3:52 PM

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YO WHAT

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 3:52 PM

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So if you want you can go Full Xenomorph Queen

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 3:52 PM

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THATS SICK AS FUCK

clear delta Jul 14, 2025, 3:52 PM

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Even beyond the contradicting themes and controversy, there's something that just doesn't vibe there for me
Which is unfortunate
As an astral splat to be a monster of fear and stories is a pitch I'd like. Plus creating little monster minions

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 3:53 PM

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OH MAN IM EXCITED TO READ PLAYERS GUIDE LMAO

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 3:53 PM

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The Player's Guide adds so much.

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 3:53 PM

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hehehehehehe

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 3:53 PM

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Like the cults!

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 3:53 PM

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this is excitinggggg

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 3:53 PM

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Either you and another Beast can have your Horrors reproduce (not neccessarily sexually but it can be), or you cut off part of yourself

clear delta Jul 14, 2025, 3:53 PM

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Hm might homebrew a werewolf power to have little minions

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 3:53 PM

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Connie was going to try and shove his Horrorspawn into a whale

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 3:54 PM

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IM SO

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man

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man

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i might

velvet sparrow Jul 14, 2025, 3:54 PM

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Oh no I'm starting to get into it now too

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 3:54 PM

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i might actually be into beast

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voy

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grabs ur shoulders
VOY

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 3:54 PM

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hi

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 3:54 PM

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It's rad as hell, yeah.

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 3:54 PM

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THIS IS MAKING ME EXCITED TO CONTINUE DIGGING THROUGH THIS

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 3:54 PM

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Also fun thing about Lairs

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 3:55 PM

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not only can i be soggy i can also be a single mother-

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 3:55 PM

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is that they let you teleport between the chambers

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 3:55 PM

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OWOWOOWOWO

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 3:55 PM

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Actually Voy

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Let's let Karen get to lairs on their own.

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Lairs are about the coolest thing about Beast.

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 3:55 PM

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I just wanna describe ittttttt

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 3:55 PM

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voy may describe voy may describe

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 3:55 PM

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Cuz Connie's whole thing was he had a Murder Cave as one of his Chambers

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so when the Mages came "knocking", the lair overlaps over reality for a bit

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So he walks out, the sky goes red, the ground cracks, shadows become impossibly dark, and bats fly out in impossible numbers

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and he looks at them and goes "what the fuck are you doing at my house"

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 3:57 PM

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gjhdgfjkalsdghf

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thats so funny

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 3:57 PM

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Lairs let you Aura farm

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so hard

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 3:57 PM

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My beast had a blasted tundra with a perpetual sun giving you snowblindness.

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 3:58 PM

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i wanna do something with like

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excrucian shadow flavor of beast

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 3:58 PM

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Easily doable.

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But yeah, Lairs are hype.

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Can't wait until you learn more about them.

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 3:58 PM

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like this

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something with too many hands, too many wings, too many teeth

SOMETHING that scrabbles at you in the darkness

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 3:59 PM

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Incredibly doable.

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 4:00 PM

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yessssssssssssssss

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 4:14 PM

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hybrid dock not only can i be soggy i can also be a single mother-

i like that this is where my brain went

heady kestrel Jul 14, 2025, 4:14 PM

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Yeah

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You would

velvet sparrow Jul 14, 2025, 4:14 PM

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Yeah

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You would

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 4:34 PM

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Regional organizations are common, typically arranged
around the most powerful Beast in the area. An Apex Beast
naturally assumes a position of, if not leadership and respect,
then fear and deference. Whether part of a Beast’s Lair or
not, the Chambers of the Primordial Dream take on a subtle
reflection of the most powerful and feared supernatural being
in the area. If that’s a Beast, the Beast’s Lair influences all
others. If it’s a vampiric prince, for example, Chambers in the
area might on a bloody, sensual flavor.

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oh man im kinda into that

pale token Jul 14, 2025, 4:36 PM

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hybrid dock not only can i be soggy i can also be a single mother-

Karen

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 4:36 PM

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hybrid dock oh man im kinda into that

Again, a great cool thing about Lairs.

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 4:37 PM

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Apexes are fun

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 4:37 PM

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pale token Karen

spirie what are you DOING HERE

pale token Jul 14, 2025, 4:37 PM

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I'm here to shame you

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 4:37 PM

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Beast and Vampire are the only two splats I can think of where you can go "I wanna be Hokage"

clear delta Jul 14, 2025, 4:37 PM

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Back when I first heard of beast I thought of like, a Minotaur beast
But you could also make that minotaur themed banisher an apex

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 4:37 PM

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mighty zephyr Apexes are fun

im kinda super into the idea of like
a local apex monster that everyone locally is deferent to but the other local splats get weirded out by it

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 4:38 PM

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pale token I'm here to shame you

wh

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HOW DID YOU EVEN KNOW

pale token Jul 14, 2025, 4:38 PM

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You've been posted in the blackmail channel lmao

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 4:38 PM

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OH MY FUCKING GOD

velvet sparrow Jul 14, 2025, 4:38 PM

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Karen is so absorbed by Beast she cannot see the world around her

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 4:38 PM

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dhfkjhdaskfjh

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 4:38 PM

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hybrid dock im kinda super into the idea of like a local apex monster that everyone locally ...

It's so much fun when a Non-Beast is the Apex too. It's particularly funny in Tokyo for the core book.

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Because Tokyo's Apex is a ghoul.

heady kestrel Jul 14, 2025, 4:39 PM

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hybrid dock im kinda super into the idea of like a local apex monster that everyone locally ...

“William Afton becomes the apex and it annoys all the beasts” was my pitch for beasts when I was doing “Afton is a valid villan for every chronicles splat”

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 4:40 PM

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Oh, so that explains the animatronics.

clear delta Jul 14, 2025, 4:40 PM

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heady kestrel “William Afton becomes the apex and it annoys all the beasts” was my pitch for b...

Okay I'll bite
How, for the other splats?

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 4:40 PM

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spice abyss Because Tokyo's Apex is a ghoul.

WHAT

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 4:41 PM

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You'll get to Tokyo eventually.

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It's interesting.

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 4:41 PM

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Beast having Philiedelphia and it being described as an absolute hellscape is the funniest thing ever

velvet sparrow Jul 14, 2025, 4:41 PM

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Ohhhhh Fluffy's talking about William Afton in Chronicles again

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Er, that was an "Ohhhhh" of anticipation

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This is good stuff I'm excited I like when he talks about this

heady kestrel Jul 14, 2025, 4:46 PM

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clear delta Okay I'll bite How, for the other splats?

Serial killers are bad for vampire business, make people on high alert

There is a valid read of the animatronics as Agony Spirits, rather than ghosts, which makes him great for werewolf

He’s a weird supernatural mystery, that is enough for mages to bite on its own

He’s a guy torturing ghosts to obtain immortality, that’s like a whole genre of geist villan

William Afton is part of the web of pain in Deviant and Circus Baby is a player character

Beast he becomes an Apex

The judges just don’t like him in mummy

Changeling there is 2 ways to do this, either you have a Fnaf themed gentry version of Afton, or the changelings just don’t like abuse assholes and take him down for that alone

He’d make a really weird and interesting Slasher for Hunter

Demon, he either ties into GM infrastructure or you just don’t like the guy and have personal beef

Promethan he would totally want to figure out how to get into alchemy and already is willing to kill children for power. He barely needs disquiet

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Ummmmm I feel like I’m forgetting someone

clear delta Jul 14, 2025, 4:47 PM

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heady kestrel Serial killers are bad for vampire business, make people on high alert There i...

Well afton could sell kids to gentry

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 4:47 PM

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but he wants them

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he needs their agony

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hes doing his own shit

clear delta Jul 14, 2025, 4:48 PM

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Maybe a collab
Gentry think he's funny

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He's their pet jackass

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 4:48 PM

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Gentry sometimes steal away his kills at the last moment because funni

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"Oh good, I'm saved!"

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 4:48 PM

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He could just be a Privateer

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 4:48 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/under-new-management-more-like-under-new-management-megamind-megamind-meme-jokez-da-joke-gif-19867663

Tenor

heady kestrel Jul 14, 2025, 4:48 PM

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(The reason animatronics track as agony spirits rather than ghosts is that they don’t actually track 1-1)

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 4:49 PM

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Like, Afton would play hell on the shadow and is definitely making a Wound.

heady kestrel Jul 14, 2025, 4:49 PM

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Like you can melt down haunted robots to make different haunted robots

That aren’t possessed by any given child they are just extant things of Pain and Hurt

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 4:49 PM

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Even the least responsible werewolf pack needs to stop that.

heady kestrel Jul 14, 2025, 4:49 PM

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Yeah

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 4:49 PM

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I think most Werewolves would kinda just go

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"Oh we're killing this dude"

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Like just out of a moral sense

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 4:50 PM

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That does tend to be the first answer for something that bad, yeah.

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"They're never going to find the body."

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 4:50 PM

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and also because guilt-free killings are awesome for Uratha

heady kestrel Jul 14, 2025, 4:50 PM

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Yeah this isn’t exactly a moral problem

But bro always comes back

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 4:50 PM

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do you know how awesome it is to finish a Hunt and be like "Yeah that murder was 100% justified"

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 4:51 PM

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It's why hunting Hosts is great, yeah!

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 4:51 PM

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Well even that's like

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still sad

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because Hosts used to be people

clear delta Jul 14, 2025, 4:52 PM

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heady kestrel Yeah this isn’t exactly a moral problem But bro always comes back

"Cool, I can get to high primal urge and just always have a Sacred Hunt target ready"

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 4:52 PM

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Avenge that murder.

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But yeah, Afton is a great werewolf problem

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Because of the "I always come back" aspect.

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Which means a pack has to be ready to go into cleanup mode.

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 4:53 PM

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I mean if he's a Spirit they can just Eat Him

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 4:53 PM

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you might think

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you might think that

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but also the mimic-

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 4:53 PM

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Don't make me post it

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 4:53 PM

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The ai recreation of him.

heady kestrel Jul 14, 2025, 4:53 PM

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mighty zephyr I mean if he's a Spirit they can just Eat Him

So here’s the thing

He was sent to hell, to burn forever, and still came back-

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 4:53 PM

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sometimes

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theres a mimic

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its just

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how it is

heady kestrel Jul 14, 2025, 4:53 PM

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Yeah
The mimic is here lmao

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 4:53 PM

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the universe wants him

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so bad

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to keep living

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the god machine itself scheming to keep afton alive through increasingly bizarre schemes

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every fuckin time

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 4:54 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp8o35zahgo

YouTube

XTRATUNA

"JACKIE'S BOX" - FNAF MIMIC SONG (Secret Of The Mimic Original Song)

WARNING: CONTAINS STRONG LANGUAGE!

Yeah, I know, I know, this game still hasn't come out... But come on! The Mimic is just too dang interesting! Hope you enjoy! 🎧

Jackie Model by Miaou Master https://x.com/miaoumastr

Support the Five Nights at Freddy's games here! https://store.steampowered.com/app/31...

#fnaf #fnafsongs #fivenightsatfre...

▶ Play video

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 4:54 PM

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YES

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YESSSS

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THE BEST SONG

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EVER

clear delta Jul 14, 2025, 4:54 PM

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His essence just spawns a new version of him whenver he dies

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 4:54 PM

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THANK YOU VOY

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 4:54 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/david-edwin-jackies-box-mimic-fnaf-gif-16985125493030602170

Tenor

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 4:54 PM

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AHAHHAHAHAHA YESSSS

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 4:54 PM

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Hell, 1e WtF has the Fungal Host for this!

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 4:54 PM

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he'll put bombs in your belongings

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 4:55 PM

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Fungal Hosts: For all your "Fucking with murder happy pack" needs!

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The Beast angle to dealing with Afton is also funny though.

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"OK, we don't like this Apex. Time to replace him as the thing everyone is afraid of."

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 4:56 PM

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"This motherfucker"

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 4:58 PM

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Also one of the members of Ogre found out about Kindred of the East today

velvet sparrow Jul 14, 2025, 4:59 PM

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Oh no

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 5:01 PM

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https://bsky.app/profile/iraganaart.bsky.social/post/3ltwcojuyyc2b

Kristina Amuan🍉COMMS closed (@iraganaart.bsky.social)

alfabusa showed the Kindred of the East RPG book and i felt like this was an appropriate video to make(he also informed me that games workshop used to have ""pygmy"" models in the 80s but thats a topic for another day)

▶ Play video

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 5:02 PM

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LMAO

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 5:27 PM

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LMAO

"Yeah im gonna be real im not...touching that"

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"I think you got the gist i dont need to be here"

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okay the eshmaki do certainly charm me but i shall continue reading

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im into a thing of scrabbling darkness and shadows biting

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what are you fucking babbling about

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 5:39 PM

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Demons are a lot of different people

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through Covers

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 5:40 PM

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no yeah

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its just

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all the demon ones are so weird

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the beef is so funny

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beasts are NOT allowed to pretend heroes are unjustified when they do shit like this

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OR THIS

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LIKE

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DUDE

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THAT IS BAD

heady kestrel Jul 14, 2025, 5:45 PM

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hybrid dock beasts are NOT allowed to pretend heroes are unjustified when they do shit like ...

Important life lesson: don’t… help… drowning… women 📋

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 5:45 PM

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yeah lmao

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theres no lesson here

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fuckin beasts

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 5:46 PM

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I do think the culture of lessons being more explicitly "a coping mechanism used to justify why you're good actually" is a fine lens to view it through

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 5:47 PM

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oh absolutely

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i think thats the main lens i view from

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because...the one where its true is just...wrong

#

like
im gonna be honest
"i might kill your loved ones with evil wolf attack" isnt a very good teaching method

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 5:48 PM

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"I'm about to make you a better person"

clear delta Jul 14, 2025, 5:48 PM

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Though then it seems hard to have a loop
Like
You try to feed to some rule that teaches a "lesson", but you may have to square the circle to get a lesson

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 5:48 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/jujutsu-kaisen-shibuya-arc-sukuna-shibuya-arc-fukuma-mizushi-sukuna-domain-expansion-gif-4902864608735534993

Tenor

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 5:49 PM

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LMAO

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"Youre about to undergo so much character growth" ANd then the fucking sukuna gif

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"Suffering builds character. And buddy? Your narrative arc has only just begun"

clear delta Jul 14, 2025, 5:50 PM

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mighty zephyr https://tenor.com/view/jujutsu-kaisen-shibuya-arc-sukuna-shibuya-arc-fukuma-mizu...

Lol
"For the lessons to sink in, you need to have something in your stomach to vomit"

heady kestrel Jul 14, 2025, 5:50 PM

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Beast who says “One day, looking back, you’ll thank me” like a shitty patriarch figure

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 5:50 PM

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HAHAHAH

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makara thats not what theyre talking about

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girlie-

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hm

#

actually i do wonder how beasts interact with the abyss

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given...what beasts are

clear delta Jul 14, 2025, 5:52 PM

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hybrid dock makara thats not what theyre talking about

Makara no, you are walking into ultra unreality
She has airpods, she can't listen

clear delta Jul 14, 2025, 5:52 PM

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hybrid dock actually i do wonder how beasts interact with the abyss

The abyss does connect to the astral

heady kestrel Jul 14, 2025, 5:53 PM

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Beasts getting ready to say the dumbest shit you’ve ever heard and then like their own eyes to emphasize the point

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 5:56 PM

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so true

clear delta Jul 14, 2025, 5:58 PM

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Someone mentioned a quote to demons that went like "if I tore your masks off, what would I find?"
Baby, no
That's a bad idea

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 5:59 PM

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hybrid dock actually i do wonder how beasts interact with the abyss

Funny you mention that. So, Beasts can connect to anything, except demons.

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 5:59 PM

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For the demon

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 5:59 PM

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And very fun note

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This does include Abyssal Things

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 5:59 PM

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YES

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LETS FUCKING GO

#

HAHAHHAHAHA

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AHAHHAHAHA

clear delta Jul 14, 2025, 5:59 PM

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mighty zephyr For the demon

Yeah, but now you have an angry demon who does not have any cover to lose

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 5:59 PM

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thats

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so funny

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beast who keeps hanging out with abyssal horrors

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 6:00 PM

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clear delta Yeah, but now you have an angry demon who does not have any cover to lose

Beasts are one of the few things that can, in fact, tango with a Loud Demon.

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:00 PM

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to the point where it makes seers and pentacle so mad

clear delta Jul 14, 2025, 6:00 PM

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The Japanese orders must fucking hate beasts

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 6:01 PM

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hybrid dock to the point where it makes seers and pentacle so mad

A Player Guide Beast Nightmare is actually "I put a shard of the Abyss inside you so you're normal again, Mage."

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:02 PM

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Keep in mind

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Beasts also can hang out with True Fae

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:02 PM

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spice abyss A Player Guide Beast Nightmare is actually "I put a shard of the Abyss inside yo...

oh thats a really really mean nightmare

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HAHAHHA

#

YES
THATS SO FUCKED

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 6:02 PM

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In fact, they're really good at managing the Hedge.

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:02 PM

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the namtaru have gotta stop flirting with all the splats

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"hey mage you like mysteries right?"

"What?"

"I want you."

"...what?"

"Carnally"

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:03 PM

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"I'll hide inside a dream fortress, the gentry will never get me there!"
The Perfidious Ugallu:

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https://tenor.com/view/big-bird-angry-door-fall-gif-11404358

Tenor

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 6:04 PM

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Beasts be like that.

heady kestrel Jul 14, 2025, 6:05 PM

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hybrid dock the namtaru have gotta stop flirting with all the splats

Just roasting those poor Bound

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:05 PM

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fluffy the thing is i think thats also a flirt

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this is really funny im keeping this image around

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:05 PM

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Beast is also the only splat that can hang out with Prometheans

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:05 PM

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yea

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:05 PM

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they are THE ONLY THINGS immune to Disquiet

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 6:06 PM

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I'd put money on Abyssal Things also not being affected by Disquiet.

#

But

#

That's not necessarily good.

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:06 PM

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Splat-wise

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and that's a Person You Can Hang Out With

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:07 PM

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the eshmaki and the ugallu certainly interest me

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in that one of them can let me be scrabbling shapes in the dark

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and the other lets me pull out my fucked up angel gender

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(bird)

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@heady kestrel werent the tick-tock men something to do with mage or is this a different allegory

clear delta Jul 14, 2025, 6:09 PM

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My theory is that beasts get this family thing either because they are conceptually linked to monsters through astral stuff (And demons are exempt by being so far from astral and the world)
Or they are a glitch entity caused by the changes high level supernaturals cause to the workd and magic (and God machine stuff is Off to them due to also being an accumulation of magical symbols and rituals)

heady kestrel Jul 14, 2025, 6:09 PM

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hybrid dock <@568619513399083031> werent the tick-tock men something to do with mage or is t...

Might both be refrencing the same thing

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 6:09 PM

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My thought is that since they're the literal stuff of nightmares, they just attach to the things in the world that cause nightmares.

#

And the God-Machine and its related functionaries (aligned or otherwise) just Aren't Of This.

#

Which is weird when you factor in the Abyss stuff, but

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:13 PM

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fhakjsdhfkjadshfkjhdasf

heady kestrel Jul 14, 2025, 6:19 PM

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what i up with the tallassi that they were brought up as a specific point of interest?

clear delta Jul 14, 2025, 6:22 PM

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They have a sort of curse specific to them

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 6:25 PM

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heady kestrel what i up with the tallassi that they were brought up as a specific point of int...

I can get into that. They're a player guide subsplat.

heady kestrel Jul 14, 2025, 6:25 PM

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ah ICIC

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 6:29 PM

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So, Talasii are Nightmares of Confinement.

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And well

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CW for rape:

||The Talassii’s current name stems from Talassius, who led the raptio, or forced abduction of women, against the Sabines in early Roman legends. In that context, the cry “Talassio!” meant “for Talassius,” identifying who a particular abductee was intended for. While the Sabine women were not sexually violated, they were seduced into marrying their captors with promises made by Romulus himself. Still, by the time an imprudent brood of Captors indulged their Horrors and re-enacted the rape of the Sabine women on a band of Heroes, the word “rape” meant sexual violation as well as forced abduction.||

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And this being paragraph two colors people's ideas about the Talassi.

heady kestrel Jul 14, 2025, 6:33 PM

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I see

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:34 PM

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i see

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 6:34 PM

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It's such a baffling choice to make

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:34 PM

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IT REALLY IS

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 6:36 PM

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While Horrors may lick their chops at the idea of hurting and humiliating their prisoners, Talassii actively restrain themselves from unnecessarily cruel or unusual punishments, unlike the Anakim. The chase and the capture can directly provide an appropriate environment for the Captor’s lessons, but the cause or method of confinement matters little. The true lesson comes from being actively kept from one’s home or safe place, and lacking the everyday freedom humanity takes for granted.

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Because here's the real Talassi gimmick.

clear delta Jul 14, 2025, 6:36 PM

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spice abyss And this being paragraph two colors people's ideas about the Talassi.

They cursed to under suspicion of ot, I think?

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 6:36 PM

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It is mentioned in one sentence, yes.

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:39 PM

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yeah wow the writing decisions there are
somewhat baffling

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 6:40 PM

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No, I don’t want your money, and please, for the love of God, keep your clothes on. I don’t want that, either. With her final breath, a single Hero just like you wiped out our entire identity, tainting every single one of us with the unspeakable crimes of her personal foes. Violation has never been part of the lesson we teach, though. I will keep you here, for a time, and when I let you go, you will tell your band, or whatever you call them, the truth of what you learned here. You will fix what your predecessors have broken.

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They ruined what is actually a very fascinating fear.

clear delta Jul 14, 2025, 6:41 PM

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And the player guide came out later on, to fix things
So I really wonder how that got through

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 6:41 PM

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No, you don't understand

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This is one of the families introduced in the Player's Guide.

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And the weird part is that this only comes up in a couple of sentences

clear delta Jul 14, 2025, 6:42 PM

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I know???
How would what I said mean it "came before"?
My confusion is this being added by the players guide

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 6:42 PM

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But it's always the earliest stuff!

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:43 PM

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WEIRD

clear delta Jul 14, 2025, 6:45 PM

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Like
"Okay team, beast got issues. It's controversial, it lacks purpose. We gotta fix it"
"You know vampire clan curses? Let's add a family with a curse that everyone thinks they commit SA"
"Cool!"

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 6:45 PM

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That's the thing!

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That doesn't even mechanically exist!

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 6:46 PM

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It's just a reputation they have based on the name

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 6:48 PM

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And the examples they give just have sweet fuck all nothing to do with the whole rape thing!

clear delta Jul 14, 2025, 6:48 PM

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spice abyss And the weird part is that this only comes up in a couple of sentences

Like their writeup
I saw mentions that comes up in a text saying talasso avoid specific dreams, and in an example of inheritance or whatever those advanced states beasts achieve

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I don't have the book. So I'm interested im when karen reaches it

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:50 PM

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nodnod

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im glad other people are experiencing beast vicariously through me

clear delta Jul 14, 2025, 6:51 PM

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I won't really read it soon cause it likely to trigger me
So it's good to see it secondhand

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 6:57 PM

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im digging my way through all the...

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not factions but

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feeding methods???

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got through tyrant, on collector

#

#

this is the funniest possible burglary

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 7:00 PM

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Yeah so

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Instead of factions its

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Shape of your horror
How you feed

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 7:00 PM

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yeah

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im into it!

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conceptually cool

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adds a lot of variety for feeding methods

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 7:04 PM

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Indeed! It's a real nice approach for a Beast.

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And really does shape the game into "How bad do you, the player, really want to be"

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 7:04 PM

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yeah

clear delta Jul 14, 2025, 7:04 PM

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Beasts seem very local about organizations

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 7:04 PM

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gives you a lot

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 7:04 PM

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I can't recall off the top of my head

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But I think Connie was an Eshmaki Predator

clear delta Jul 14, 2025, 7:04 PM

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Either with each other or a random spook they attached to

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 7:04 PM

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I had an Anamaki Predator.

clear delta Jul 14, 2025, 7:05 PM

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How is predator different from being a beast in general?

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 7:05 PM

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ill need to look

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 7:05 PM

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You specifically physically hurt people

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 7:05 PM

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but yeah im big on the eshmaki

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 7:05 PM

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He found that the best way to feed his Horror was to stare down vampires who thought they could prey on the homeless without consequence.

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Or really anything.

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 7:06 PM

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Predators dont really have a social aspect to it

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Its you hunting someone

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 7:06 PM

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Simple as.

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For reasons that are obvious, they get along with werewolves.

hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 7:07 PM

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i find "catch and release" really funny

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 7:08 PM

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hybrid dock Jul 14, 2025, 7:09 PM

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yeah

mighty zephyr Jul 14, 2025, 7:09 PM

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I should buy this hat

sacred viper Jul 14, 2025, 7:15 PM

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clear delta How is predator different from being a beast in general?

Mean answer: Beast is bad at differentiated character choices and you can really tell they ran out of ideas later on

spice abyss Jul 14, 2025, 7:15 PM

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Well, actually

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There's another gameline that answers this.

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Two, actually!

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