#World of Darkness

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clear delta
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Like, I think you can have a relationship with them, but you have to keep in mind they're very different animals from us, with different values

spice abyss
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You can make them essence and make a deal.

clear delta
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Just offer them essence, or to expand their domain

spice abyss
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Or you could control it

grave gulch
spice abyss
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Or you can just make a spirit

clear delta
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You can awaken a clump of essence

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Spirits also like if you help them with court politics

spice abyss
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Werewolves make deals or go "But what if I ate you, shitbird?"

grave gulch
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You can make spirits? vicksyW that sounds like a terrible idea

clear delta
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Also, the familiar bond protects spirits from essence bleed

clear delta
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*Cinema sins ding as you lose wisdom*

grave gulch
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The essence thing makes it easier for me wixelsNodders

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Lots of essence to come from a forge

spice abyss
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Spirit Mages can also make Loci

grave gulch
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What's a Loci?

clear delta
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A locus is like

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A special place tgat produces essence and aids in shifting between the shadow and physical worlds

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It centers on a symbolically important object to whatever events characterized the locus, but picks a new object if the old one is removed

grave gulch
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vicksyAww think it would fit the Forge? Or do u need to be super powerful to make one?

clear delta
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You need spirit 5 to create locus

grave gulch
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Also this is starting to look like a prime target for werewolves

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Maybe not a Locus then wixelsSit

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Chronicles is cool

orchid void
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You can develop a locus however

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Werewolves and spirits do it, no reasons mages couldn't puzzle out how to do it

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A place becomes a Locus as Resonance pools

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So if you've got enough spirit-magic to ward a place from spirits, and grow the reserves of essence in a place, eventually you'll get a locus

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Or you could use some spirit ritual, open yourself a gate to the Shadow, and convince the spirits of the Forge to organize into an allied Court

clear delta
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Yeah, that

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Forgot the process. But I remember that. The longer it pools, the stronger the locus

grave gulch
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Sounds perfect

clear delta
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The book of spirits explains a lot

grave gulch
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vicksyThink maybe i should get myself a copy

clear delta
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Both it and werewolf are good references

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Werewolf characterizes the shadow well

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Subway spirits as subway trains shaped like big horses

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Oh another spirit villain is white agora. To some extent, it's "benevolent" in that seeks people who are overwhelmed and want to be somewhere else, casting its numen
However, its numen creates an illusion of a white void over your senses, which can be dangerous depending on your situation. Like car accidents, cause lots of people would rather not be in traffic

orchid void
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boy she loves car accidents

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she's a spirit of Alienation and Loneliness

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And what's more alienated and lonely than being stuck in the fucking car, in traffic. All alone, yet surrounded by others- but that's the thing. Everyone's miserable. No one wants to be here.

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So she takes you somewhere else. And then you crash into a semi-truck and go somewhere else forever.

clear delta
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Not that she understands why she should care about you having an accident

grave gulch
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that just made me think of my want of hitting my wizards with a car

clear delta
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Also, forgot to mention. Linggan Zhao, in spite of opposing the Maeljin, has opened multiple Wounds due to his cruelty towards werewolves

clear delta
high current
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worth noting that most spirits likely have 2 names rooSip2 their real name in First Tongue, which is roughly based on Sumerian iirc, and then however they're referred to in myths/by mortals/others who have seen them

clear delta
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First tongue is a cool topic

high current
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also yeah, book of spirits, book of the dead, and astral realm have more info on spirits, ghosts, and goetia respectively

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there used to be a thread on the Onyx Path forums where people were putting together a First Tongue lexicon, based on the names we had for various spirits and stuff, dunno if it still exists or not

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i do distinctly remember that the person who started the project and did a lot of the work on it was 'immortalized' by other people working on it as a knowledge spirit though vvvSip

clear delta
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Cool!

high current
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finally getting around to checking and yeah not only does it still exist but it's pinned vvvSip

short quiver
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kind of a tangent here but I do think this is funny
Goetia is a real occult practice, probably best known for the Ars Goetia, a 17th century grimoire which describes seventy-two demons and all the neat tricks you can conjure them up to do
the first edition of Mage: the Awakening corebook featured Goetia as a sphecial kind of Mind practice whereby you could summon a spirit of your own Vices to do neat tricks on your behalf, the thing you found being a Goetic Demon

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as distinct, naturally, from the Supernal inhabitants of Pandemonium, the Acamouth from the Abyss, the playable characters from Demon: the Descent, the creatures that exist in the Lower Depths, the demons in the Demon: the Inferno supplement (which might be from one of the Lower Depths), and I think this is everything that's regularly referred to as "demons" in ChroD but I'm not sure so call it an "including but not limited to" list

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so by the time they opened up the Astral supplements they ditched the whole "demon" thing and just used "goetia" to refer to the astral equivalent of ghosts or spirits, which is a bit confusing in terms of the original use but probably makes things a lot clearer generally

short quiver
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also "goetia" is derived from a Greek word that can mean either "magic" or "juggling" which has nothing to do with anything but is very funny to me

clear delta
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Goetia was used by later occultists in self exploration, from what I was told

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Summoning your own aspects

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So mage's use fits

mighty zephyr
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Also there's Daemons

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Or Deimons

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I forget which

high current
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daemon is the greek term

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or daimon

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimon

Daimon

The Ancient Greek: δαίμων, spelled daimon or daemon (meaning "god", "godlike", "power", "fate"), originally referred to a lesser deity or guiding spirit, such as the daimons of ancient Greek religion and mythology and later the daimons of Hellenistic religion and philosophy.
The word is derived from Proto-Indo-European daimon "provider, divider...

mighty zephyr
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No in Mage the Awakening

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there's Daemons which are your interior guides

orchid void
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Yeah Daimon

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The self-potential incarnated by Mind

orchid void
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Which also sort of is mages version of like. Crowley and Dee summoning their guardian angels

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note: if you believe books I read really really high, Crowley fucked up this ritual, undertaken at his mansion at Loch Ness, and thereby unleashed from the depths of the human unconscious the Men In Black upon the occult world as a kind of parasitic meta-entities that attached themselves to the occultic milieu

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do with this information what you will

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later works I read still pretty stoned say they were a kind of tulpa/thought entity that ate fear and lied to the guy who gives the first modern report of MIBs

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who said that the MIBs represented a race of aliens that explained to him during a psychosexual nightmare that they were stealing ocean water as fuel and that the galaxy basically considered humans the bathroom rats in the convenient gas station

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this is the kind of poison that helps me write mage

fair tapir
grave gulch
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balls

short quiver
mighty zephyr
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All Mages can Fushigi Juggle

high hornet
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Okay so

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had the Vampire (more like WoD) game today

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this is the end result of what we've been doing to our storyteller

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grave gulch
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Leika is a blood drinker vicksyMEGALUL

high hornet
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I just made friends with a Mummy

grave gulch
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explain

spice abyss
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You be polite with them, tell 'em you're long-lasting and don't want to steal their stuff.

high hornet
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A few sessions ago we were sent to go investigate why a potential tomb breaking team had disappeared. When we arrived we did a look around for some information, doing investigation, learned about a giant order of chicken blood that had been brought through a few days ago.
When approaching the hotel that had found the dig site the toreador could smell the chicken blood, and we carefully slipped around the sides following the trail.
We found ourselves in a room with a black obelisk with some portal magic still around it. The Toreador knows magic pretty well so we managed to enter the portal and follow the trail again.
We followed it for along while, then entered an area that was a massive cliff and trees and a river with a single structure on it. So it turns out we'd accidentally walked into the Duat, which is ancient egyptian afterlife, and found the guy we'd been following who had strung up a person in chains.
I snuck up on the dude, and mid questioning on them the dude ran away. Well we looked into their stuff and learned they were followers of set and had jumped the dig team when they found the Mummy in a coffin. They drugged and sedated the dude and brought him here.
we searched and learned a bunch of stuff while we were here, got a bit more of a clue what was going on, and accidentally sent my character to a dark place where something tried to steal my soul but I hit them in the face.
The Mummy woke up around then and we talked to them, explained some stuff, and it was revealed that we were carriers of weapons of an order of demon hunters and he had sworn to aid these guys, which meant us.
We then mentioned about the place and the differences for the several thousands of years he's been dead. He remembered an area filled with dangerous but important relics, and we entered there, managing to avoid some of the worst, only to fight some bad dudes on the way out. Some Pentex losers. We then managed to disconnect the pyramid area from the main one.

spice abyss
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It's nice having a memory anchor.

clear delta
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Oh it's oMummy

high hornet
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We have some experience in directing drifting abyss vessels so we managed to 'sail' it back to our lighthouse, a previously connected area, because the Pentex guys could enter past the abyss creatures I'd tempted over with a bait bomb.

clear delta
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No one plays nMummy here

high hornet
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And now we brought a Mummy home

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his name is Ptolomy

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the DM explained we were MEANT to find his corpse later on after a bunch of stuff happened but we accidentally walked right up into the hostage situation and freed him.

fair tapir
high hornet
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feel free to add Omar as a weird cryptid man in your games

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just a weird fuck up who just somehow survives

fair tapir
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How does cryptid as a verb work?

high hornet
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stalking/shadows/slightly unsettling/accidentally fucking up plans without much rhyme or reason/harbringing

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Omar shows up like Mr Frog from Smiling Friends

grave gulch
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how well aware is your average mage regarding other super naturals?

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like as in knowing they exist

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not really knowing about their politics and lore

midnight grotto
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Probably moreso than other splats just because they're nosy

clear delta
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They have mage sight

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And it pings when supernatural stuff happens nearby

grave gulch
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true

clear delta
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They have a metaphysical map of reality and will beat everything they find into a shape that fits

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What can't fit they just call a Lower Depth

grave gulch
high current
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the average mage doesn't know any more than a mortal about other splats, but they have an easier time leaning about them because of mage sight and their natural addiction to mysteries

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that said, iirc the official line for CofD is that everyone knows supernatural shit exists, and just pretends not to/relies on their internal weirdness filter to ignore it

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(helps that werewolves have delirium, mages have disquiet, vampires have the masquerade, etc)

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fun fact on that note though, i remember DaveB, the lead dev for Mage 2e, talking a while back about how disquiet works, and how it doesnt mean mortals are incapable of knowing about supernal shit, they just won't remember seeing it happen

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you can be married to a mage and listen to + fully believe their stories about dealing with supernal shit, but you're very unlikely to remember seeing them cast a spell or anything no matter how many times it happens, at least until you become a sleepwalker

fair tapir
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oh, that's some good existential horror

clear delta
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Even worse horror to be someone close to a seer of the throne

grave gulch
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i was brainstorming some ideas for my vampire drug plot

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would you like to hear more about it friends? vicksyGa

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that's also why i asked about other splats awareness

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@chilly vault tell me about dhampir vicksyAww

chilly vault
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I don't think I ever read anything about them

grave gulch
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well

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guess i'll read the book people suggested then

high current
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i dont remember how they happen but they are essentially ghouls+ iirc

grave gulch
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from what i understand they are the children of vampires wixelsNodders like actual biological children

high current
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by which i mean 'they have all the same stuff as ghouls, plus a bit extra'

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ye, its just, how they happen is a mystery, because vampires aren't supposed to be sexually potent

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i think that might even be the official answer, given CofD's tendency to answer a lot of questions with "~it's a mystery oooooh~"

radiant marsh
grave gulch
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Strix are messed up vicksyW

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But so cool

supple quail
fair tapir
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it's like the one bit of special sauce you get for playing a thinblood

grave gulch
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what kind of supernal fuckery could justify stories being made real from a writer? vicksySip including a character of said stories made real

high hornet
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Prophesy is the easiest method

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More that the writer is accidentally writing the truth which is terrible for the masquerade

grave gulch
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vicksyAwwFastShake it's for wizard game

high hornet
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I mean they still do not need folk learning this shit

orchid void
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Founded during the heyday of WW1 by the eldest Dr. Wicikowska, the bloodline has remained remarkably attached to the Ordo Dracul of Warsaw, serving often as a kind of "Court Alchemist" to the nominal ruler of the city surrounded on all sides by wolves that similarly savor the taste of kine. As with most of the great families of Warsaw, the Wicikowska are reclusive, bound very tightly with their herds- the Wicikowska began their nights feeding on the other doctors around them, their childer supping upon the patients. This has not changed, but for a fact born out of their nature as Shadows- they began to drink not only the Vitae of their prey, but sweet dreams as well, leaving behind only the Nightmare. And then, you know, they drink that to, until the prey simply forgets how to dream. ```
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Throwing spaghetti at the wall

grave gulch
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did u write that yourself? vicksySip

high hornet
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More like swaghetti am I right?

orchid void
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Most of the big blocks of text I do are me

grave gulch
orchid void
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Making a bloodline for my polish failgirl and her sister

grave gulch
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Delilah....could i maybe dm u at some point to ask for some feedback regarding stuff? wixelsHide the stuff you write is really good...and you know a lot about chronicles

orchid void
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Oh? Sure I guess!!!

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my brain has been boiled in this stuff the tone is reflexive in some ways

grave gulch
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vicksyClap yay! Thanks Delilah!

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I dont have anything to show at the moment but i should have something to show tomorrow vicksyAww

orchid void
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s'all about vibes per word you gotta make that shit drip with toxin, hooks, ways to get people thinking

mighty zephyr
orchid void
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warsaw seems like it sucks mostly bc the only other things i've found written about poland is uh, the Field of Dogs

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which. which is a bad time.

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the kindred keep to their herds bc outside the city is werewolf war

grave gulch
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@mighty zephyr would u also be okay with me dming you to ask for some feedback? vicksyAww

orchid void
grave gulch
orchid void
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Forsaken dwell where their territory is, where there is prey

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The Field of Dogs involves uh, not forsaken, but the followers of Lyacon, who feast on the flesh of humans

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Both Forsaken and Pure are in short supply in lower Silesia

radiant marsh
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Uratha are less city-averse than Garou

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Pure tend to be more rural than Forsaken just due to their mindset, but that's nothing resembling a rule.

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There are even urban Predator Kings

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One of the statted characters in the old Pure book was even a corporate executive.

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With the explanation basically being

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"Wait a minute. The PK Tribal ban is 'Honor Nothing of Human Craft.' How does that work?"

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"It doesn't. She's a massive hypocrite."

mighty zephyr
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One of the new Predator Kings was an urbanite party girl

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Pure also have the Ivory Claws who rival the Iron Masters in urban dwelling

radiant marsh
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And Fire Touched can show up anywhere

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Especially given how part of their schtick is aggressive evangelism.

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But yeah. Forsaken has no real Weaver equivalent. So cities are just another spiritual environment.

spice abyss
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In fact, cities usually need some work because of how many humans are there mucking up the spiritual environment.

mighty zephyr
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you can but I will also say "I probably won't be able to answer"

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everyone messages me this kinda stuff when I'm at work, I usually forget to answer because adhd

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and then I feel bad when I remember to reply 24+ hours later

grave gulch
clear delta
chilly vault
grave gulch
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what kind of magic could make a character in a book real? i'm thinking mind magic could do the trick(it would only feel real to those affected by the magic)

mighty zephyr
grave gulch
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forces? vicksyAww

mighty zephyr
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By manipulating light, sound, and telekinetic forces, Forces can make holograms able to exert force

grave gulch
radiant marsh
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Dumb idea

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Use Forces/Life to make the Star Trek medical hologram

clear delta
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Death 5. Create the ghost of someone who never lived to begin with

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Except it will unfortunately have limited duration

grave gulch
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Then a powerful enough artifact could do it, neat

fair tapir
clear delta
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Ah, mixed up the names, it's changeling tge dreaming

versed zodiac
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Kind of a good behaviour clause but also lol, lmao

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Fucking WoD

sacred viper
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Surprised it doesnt take less effort

short quiver
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oh man, the Ananasi!
so those are the werespiders in Werewolf: the Apocalypse, and where most of the were-whatever have their animal form as a member of whatever animal species (a wolf, a bear, a rat, a crow)
the Ananasi turn into a swarm of spiders roughly matching the mass of their human form

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there are remarkably few situations (combat, hazard, social) that "turn into a swarm of spiders" can't effectively get you out of

orchid void
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Replaced by the more villainous Azlu in forsaken who do the same basic shapeshifting trick

fair tapir
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turning into a giant snake swarm of spiders never always helps

short quiver
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yeah, the Hosts being kind of an adaptation of the oWoD Fera but making WtF werewolves a very specific and unique thing, rather than one kind of were-critter out of many (except that the other werecritters got genocided. By the werewolves.)

clear delta
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The brineborn are fish people

short quiver
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yeah, you had the Hosts
and then the guys in War Against the Pure
and then there was Changing Breeds, which was a thing

clear delta
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Changing breeds is not canon to forsaken

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Literally, it was a new world of darkness book rather than forsaken

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And it connects to no cofd/nwod lore, cause the author didn't bother learning at all

mighty zephyr
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There's also were bulls

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Who worship Helios

orchid void
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And cats who are driven mad

mighty zephyr
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But yeah also I'm also glad that w5 does not have the Fera be all genocide victims of the werewolves all made by Gaia

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And its much more likely that it's just a bunch of esoteric animal shifters trying to grok how they all exist

clear delta
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Also dark eras talks about the bull shifters

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As descendants of tge Bull pangaean

grave gulch
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You mean there are cats who are driven mad or were bulls who worship cats who were driven mad?

orchid void
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the werecats from War Against the Pure

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and they are driven insane by their need to punish the guilty

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with no magical senses for how to find the guilty

grave gulch
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what kind of shifters do u have in forsaken?

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just the wolfies?

short quiver
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so, you have Hosts, who are kind of shifters
instead of being born human, they're born as animals of whatever kind, and become shapeshifters by killing and possessing a human

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then, again, there were the guys introduced in War Against the Pure as shapeshifters that might exist, although I don't think they were ever "canonical" by default
there were were-bulls that worship the sun and sacrifice wolfbloods, I think? Were-cats compelled to punish the guilty, were-jaguars who eat hearts, were-cockroaches that spread their condition like a disease, were-fish

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plus rules to invent your own

clear delta
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Were-bulls pop up in dark eras the sundered world

short quiver
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outside of that, you got two books that were supplements for mainline WoD rather than WtF specifically that let you play shapeshifters

grave gulch
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i think i know about one wixelsNodders

clear delta
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Oh also were-crocodiles in dark eras

short quiver
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WoD: Skinchangers gave rules for playing pepole who learned rituals to transform themselves into animals, mostly (but not always) using the animal's hide as part of the ritual, different from the spirit/flesh hybrids like the Forsaken

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and WoD: Changing Breeds, which is about people who are born with the ability to change into an animal, and largely bringing back the whole ecoterrorist "wrath of Mother Nature" that was deliberately left out of the adaptation between WtA and WtF

clear delta
short quiver
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||(also brought back from wta heyooooooooo)||

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but yeah it's not regarded well
and i'm sure some of that is general anti-furry stuff but also the problems are real

clear delta
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Yeah, honestly should we even mention it beyond a warning against picking it up?

patent stirrupBOT
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Is there a white wolf game whit out messy or broken mechanics?

grave gulch
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vicksySip i get the message

short quiver
# patent stirrup Is there a white wolf game whit out messy or broken mechanics?

yeah, and this is fair.
I do think that the CB book is a standout even given the competition, but on the other hand a lot of it comes down to the rules not even attempting balance or rigor and just throwing around stat boosts and whatnot because they're giving rules for people who turn into anything from a housecat to a rhinocerous with a framework that's just on the edge of "do whatever"
and on the other other hand do you really need a book for that

patent stirrupBOT
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Ahhh Mage Level of balince i got it

short quiver
# grave gulch <:vicksySip:996566522828968088> i get the message

but yeah by "default" you have the Forsaken and the Hosts
most commonly with the Hosts you get the rats, which gnaw on the strands of the Gauntlet until the spirits can wander back and forth without effort, and the spiders, who weave their webs to make the Gauntlet so strong that the connection between spirit and matter withers and dies

grave gulch
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So when a host takes over a body

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Lets say a toad host

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Can they shift between a monster toad and human?

orchid void
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Nah, the human corpse slowly rots and mutates into a hybrid form

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As the Host devours more of its kind

orchid void
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Toads got a writeup in Shunned By The Moon

mighty zephyr
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Yeah

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They can get turned into even worse things

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Like giant networked flesh amalgams

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Actually!

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The closest we have to a "complete" host is a spider host who CAN transform between a hydrid and fully human form

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Except her hybrid form is like a kaiju

orchid void
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because the "true" form of the hosts are usually the pangaean they used to be before they were shattered

radiant marsh
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There are also Wolf Hosts

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To even more complicate matters

chilly vault
grave gulch
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Hi gk

chilly vault
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Hi skully

grave gulch
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would you be allowed to retire from the guardians of the veil if lets say

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your not able to perform your duties anymore either because ur too old or became soft?

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would they mind wipe you? kill you?

clear delta
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You get recycled into rations

high current
# chilly vault There aren't, but Changing Breeds was so much worse than average that it was pre...

as an example, one of the most glaring instances of 'this doesnt fucking work' that i remember is they can take a merit that grants them Awakened-style magic, but their rating in this merit is subtracted from their power/supernatural resistance stat(blood potency/gnosis equivalent), and both the merit and the power stat are capped at 5 by default, with iirc no restriction on raising the merit to 5 even at character creation, so it's entirely possible to make a character who is technically a fera, and technically capable of awakened-level magic, but because their merit is subtracted from their power stat cap, they have a 0 in their power stat and the merit isn't usable without at least 1 dot in the power stat, so they're functionally mortal

high current
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i slightly misremembered how the merit in question worked btw

Beast Magic is freakishly, unbelievably broken. It allows you to take one specific spell from a Mage Arcana of your choosing (up to three dots), and be able to cast that without Paradox. To be fair, this costs a ton of experience - it has its own mini-track - and your maximum Feral Heart dots (the power statistic) can only be 3 - your maximum Beast Magic dots.
Wait, hold on a second, that means if you have a three dot Beast Magic spell, your maximum Feral Heart dots are zero, meaning you are no longer a Changing Breed by the rules of the game which means you can't have Beast Magic at all GOD FUCKING DAMNIT MY BRAIN JUST EXPLODED

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there's a specific breed of shifter you can be that does get up to 5 dot mage spells, which ensures your feral heart is 0

clear delta
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Note: these reviews come from a site tgat tends sti-furry

high current
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fair, but there are also some legitimate criticisms raised

clear delta
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I know, I read. Just good to note

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I checked the original thread for the beast review, and damn did some complain about otherkin
I don't remember the reviewer's take, but I think they didn't partake in that

patent stirrupBOT
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That sounds as bad as some of the 3.x stuff white wolf put out

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shuddres thorn giants

grave gulch
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hey Violet! long time no see

chilly vault
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It was just a notoriously awful book

grave gulch
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i hope u been doing well

patent stirrupBOT
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Hay skully and I have, just been bussy wiht my own stuff outside of the system

grave gulch
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wixelsNodders that's fair, good to hear u been doing well tho!

patent stirrupBOT
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thanks I aperacate it!

grave gulch
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btw

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when a Strix leaves the body of a vampire

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the vamp goes into torpor

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if that's the parameter

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what would happen to a mortal?

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vicksyThink does torpor mean the vampire was wounded? if not would the mortal simply pass out?

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strix can take over mortals too, i read it in the book that talks about them...it didnt say what happens to them when the strix leaves however

orchid void
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For vamps, that’s when they hit torpor

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For mortals? They die

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If I remember right the Strix don’t ride bodies gently, so humans tend to decay from damage of a ghost manipulating their limbs and using disciplines

grave gulch
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they seem to decay simply from havign a strix inside of them

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so even if the strix just wanted to sit at home playing videogames it would be bad

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vicksyHmm someone in another server says that strix can be driven out

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they also said it still kills you if ur a mortal....you think mages could do it safely?

short quiver
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Probably.
I feel like Mage (both editions) has a whole issue where on the one hand the Wise being potentially able to do most anything is foundational to the concept but at the same time you want to avoid the "this is their setting, you just live in it" outcome

grave gulch
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i am running mage wixelsNodders that's why i ask really

high current
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tbf most other games are self contained and/or have their own form of 'mage' archetype

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(mekhet/circle of the crone/lancea et sanctum; ithaeur/bone shadows; etc)

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and Hunter even made up a whole new lesser form of magic in the form of witches vvvSip

orchid void
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and the wise look at their legacies and go “idk man maybe pancryptia redecays when sufficiently fallen” <words of a free counciller in to deep

grave gulch
orchid void
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when the ancient conspiracy of enlightened mystics still shrug when you ask them why vampires are real

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It feels more like tending an outlet of light against the night

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Which is mage as hell

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(my GoV fully doesn’t believe in uratha, but she has only run into Kindred)

grave gulch
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think there's any issues with me wanting to use strix btw? i just thought they were cool and wanted to include them .w.

orchid void
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“werewolves aren’t real” <girl who is going to be hunted by iron masters

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orchid void
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And slowly reveal the Kindred that parasitize society and how the Strix prey upon them as they prey upon humans

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Ask the players if it’s Hubris to end a requiem

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(can something dead be of worth? are all the lives staining its lips worth the dark knowledge it utters with a Beast’s tongue?)

short quiver
# orchid void I feel like if you lean mega hard into Mysteries being the central mage Thing yo...

Oh yeah, it's not inevitable with Mage crossover or anything, especially Awakening
(Ascension could be a bit trickier about Paradigm being presented as the True Truth of the oWoD, which meant everyone's cosmology was true but Mage's was truer)
It can still be a bit of a balance to cross Mage into other splats without feeling like one side got an everything-proof shield, but mostly it's fine as long as everyone realizes it isn't that the Magi have the model that understands everything, it's Mages going "oh I understand everything. See? I put it on the model"

orchid void
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And the best mage experience is being wrong in novel ways bc that’s Hubris baby

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Eat your fucking paradox

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@grave gulch that’s my advice to your players for mage btw- make someone you’re excited to see fuck up and have to pick up the pieces. that’s how you have the most fun with WoD

mighty zephyr
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Man I hope I can continue the NY game at some point guscry

orchid void
short quiver
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"So the Lower Depths are the horrible un-places outside of the model where things that shouldn't be crawl out into our world from, so any horrible not-place that isn't on my model that things that shouldn't be crawl out from is a Lower Depth, which means it's on the model."

orchid void
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“im a genius ill combine lichdom with this horrible owl from the lower depths I found OH NO”

orchid void
# orchid void I do tooo

because im thinking about Lucy having to explain how paradox works now to the professor and she would get frustrated enough to tell him to “eat your fucking mistake like you’re supposed to”

versed zodiac
short quiver
orchid void
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bro just one more mystery cult and we will understand physics

versed zodiac
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Academia with cosmic powers is troubling because you’re giving academics something other than impact factor and publications to invest their self-worth in

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And it’s “the ability to make Big Problems for everyone else”

short quiver
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the Demon Core only it's letting an Acamoth into the world

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(literal demon lol)

grave gulch
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demon core vicksyDespair

orchid void
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Chernobyl but it’s a silver ladder we prommy

versed zodiac
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What’s a Mage supercollider

orchid void
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another silver ladder we prommy

versed zodiac
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Important details

  • must be a wildly expensive project you have to coax everyone else into contributing funds to
  • humongous
  • requires a lot of upkeep
  • does one specific thing really good
  • could turn out to be mildly useless if the thing you’re hoping it will do doesn’t happen
barren vortex
mighty zephyr
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Final boss of the NYC game

barren vortex
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holy SHIT

orchid void
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oh nyo not the great bambino

grave gulch
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Where did i hear that name before?

orchid void
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babe ruth, the great bambino

short quiver
orchid void
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civic diety of New York probably

grave gulch
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i'm making a baseball forces wizard

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that's not even a joke i feel like that would be a fun npc

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guy snipes people with balls he throws using forces magic to make scary shit

spice abyss
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Correct!

fair tapir
mighty zephyr
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This was a stand user my friend made once

short quiver
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not just on baseball, but on all our sports franchises

grave gulch
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would a vamp using a discipline trigger a mage's peripheral mage sight?

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like lets say they use the ones that keeps you hidden

spice abyss
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Not pinging the Mage Weirdness Alarm is usually a Demon thing.

grave gulch
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dang mages are difficult to surprise if not with something mundane

high current
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ye obfuscate pings mage sight

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but all the mage knows is 'something magic happened'

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if they dont have mind, they probably won't be able to detect the vamp

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(obfuscate is technically like, a mind 2 shielding effect, in mage terms; without at least mind 1 for mage sight, you're unlikely to figure out what actually caused the ping)

weary pagoda
weary pagoda
grave gulch
high current
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Ye

grave gulch
chilly vault
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The moment a mage starts to think they can do anything is when they start to plant the seeds of their own downfall.

high current
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on an unrelated note, i get the joy this weekend of giving my players consequences
granted, they are not the consequences of their own actions, but they're the ones who will probably have to deal with it vvvSip
last session they went to check out a storage locker belonging to a vamp who's now a wight, and they brought along an npc who knew the location and lead them there. she's on the downward slope humanity-wise, and doesn't really give a shit about preserving human lives, so after they snuck past one of the guards, she doubled back and ripped his head off, but the group all failed their awareness rolls to notice her slipping away to do this.
later in the session, they realized how fucked up she is when she tried to kill another guard right in front of them, and also threatened to kill another vampire they found trying to break into the locker, so after some arguing she fucked off; i'd forgotten at the end of the session as they were leaving the place to point out the dead guard, so i'm probably starting next session with them finding the body rooScheme

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up to them if they want to try and clean it up

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except she got away clean because arms of ahriman rooVVoid

orchid void
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If you don’t clean it up, the Harpies will

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And who wants to owe a harpy for cleaning up after you?

grave gulch
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What's a harpy?

fair tapir
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the local vampire spymaster/rumormonger

orchid void
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A lot of them are keeping the Masquerade by knowing where the bodies are buried

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Because they put them there for you, moron, don’t feed stupid- or if you do clean up your own mess.

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They make a good knife for the ST to use :3

high current
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fwiw the PCs are currently unaffiliated, leaning anarch

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and also, they didnt do the murder, and it's not technically a Masquerade breach, unless there's security footage rooSip2

orchid void
grave gulch
short quiver
spice abyss
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Losers can't even think of winning without magic lol

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Get styled on

Sincerely,
The Adamantine Arrow

short quiver
chilly vault
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Like imagine hypercompetent wizard Bernie Sanders

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(I know Bernie's not always right, it's a vibe)

silver apex
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ooh another new years story for vtm

chilly vault
clear delta
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Prime

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As it's the arcana about magic

chilly vault
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That does track

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Maybe Prime and Matter?

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As a joke about socialist materialism >_>

clear delta
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Mind is a good arcana for someone focused on improvement and dealing with flaws/self delusions

grave gulch
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i was wondering

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if some Werewolf the Apocalypse use tech

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they probably dont even need to go wolfy

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just go full on cyber war

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i mean the specific group that uses tech btw

chilly vault
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It probably helps if when the feds come knocking you can turn into a wolf monster

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But yeah

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It could absolutely be a last resort behind the hacktivism

grave gulch
fair tapir
orchid void
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yah that's the obfuscate babes

high current
grave gulch
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do true fae have any kind of power outside of their realms?

clear delta
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Yes

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But they're weaker

grave gulch
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i imagine that they are a lot weaker but still strong enough to be scary

chilly vault
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In their realms it's very difficult to do anything to a True Fae that doesn't exploit their underlying story

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Outside they're extremely powerful spirits

radiant marsh
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This is part of the reason they very rarely leave Arcadia

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In Arcadia they're the closest thing to gods. On Earth it's very possible (albeit probably difficult and complicated) to kill one permanently

clear delta
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They sometimes banish True Fae here for crimes we could never understand

chilly vault
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"Being nice to squirrels"

grave gulch
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Cain from the amazing digital circus is a true fae

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Also i'm a bit scared to think of what "being nice" means to a true far

sacred viper
orchid void
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vvvv gettin art of my werewolf very excited

grave gulch
sour zephyr
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awesome!

orchid void
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we love a girl who lies to people about what horror movie they're in

sacred viper
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Yeeesdds

orchid void
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you can think you're in Wrong Turn but no you are in The Howling sorry

high hornet
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Volf art

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Yey

grave gulch
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i was going to make a wizard who heals you by stabbing you with a scalpel

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but that's probably in poor taste vicksyConcern considering my game happens in london

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instead i'll have a baseball wizard vicksyHappy

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deilah gave me the idea when talking about the Bambino fella

grave gulch
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Ok ideas for mages so far:
Mage who commands squirrels/rats
Obrimos baseball player

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Can life control animals?

clear delta
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Yes

grave gulch
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ok then life rat wizard vicksyHappy i dont think there's squirrels in london....

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wait

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google says they have "grey squirrels"

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squirrel wizard vicksyHappy

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he lives in a park vicksyJammin

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or maybe she

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havent decided yet

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gonna have a bunch of tunnels that go under the place wixelsNodders has squirrels who take turns running on generators that power their stuff

high current
# grave gulch havent decided yet

por que no los dos? vvThink life 3 lets you change your appearance, so a life mage could easily be gender fluid and swap back and forth physically

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(granted, it only lasts as long as the spell's duration and while you have it going it takes up one of your spell control slots)

grave gulch
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True vicksyMHM

radiant marsh
grave gulch
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heh

grave gulch
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Do vamps go into torpor during the day?

short quiver
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pffft

radiant marsh
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In VtM it's a diff 3 humanity roll to stay awake for a scene

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dice capped by humanity rating

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I forget what it is for VtR, but it's similar

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And the OD has a rite that lets you stay awake

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Because of course they do.

short quiver
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OD's end goal really is "all of their strengths with none of their weaknesses"

orchid void
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In VtR you don't torpor during the day, you daysleep

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It still looks like torpor though, you just. stop being animate.

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Up until the exact second it takes hold the Beast is driving you to find somewhere to sleep

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Somewhere sunlight cannot touch so you can collapse into a heap of safety and return to being a corpse until night falls.

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If you don't well

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You'll see the sunrise.

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Ripping open the curtains or blowing up the roof is a great way to breach a haven during the day

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since unlesst they're ordo, they're gonna be Daysleeping and relying on the living as guards

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And even then, only the insane guys who study the Mystery of the Ascendant (aka THE SUN IS MY ENEMY)

high current
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technically it's not torpor, but they're indistinguishable until you try to wake the vamp up

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daysleep can be awoken from with a willpower roll if it's still light out iirc, and a rouse check
torpor iirc the vamp has no vitae left so they need to be given blood, and then make a rouse check to wake up

heady kestrel
# radiant marsh
  • Fascist
  • Wolf Themed
  • Insanely Physically Powerful

I see no diffrence, they can both work with this

grave gulch
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i thought the fascist get of fenris got wiped out vicksyThink

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wixelsBlank still.....i feel like they are horrible people either way

grave gulch
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what kind of supernal creature would be the one to give you knowledge at a price? vicksyAww

spice abyss
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Any of them tbh

grave gulch
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i see

radiant marsh
grave gulch
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wixelsNodders so yeah still bad people

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but hey not gonna complain about them wiping out the fascists

mighty zephyr
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The Swords of Heimdall are still very much extant in 20th

radiant marsh
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Oh right

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Because 20A everything put the clock back so every world-shaking metaplot event hadn't happened yet

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No Ur-Shulgi, Assamite split, Avatar Storm, or Zapathasura getting Akira'd either

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And likewise, every not-so-world-shaking event

clear delta
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And they might have additional prices for doing things

mighty zephyr
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Today I learned that Slipknot formed because they all liked Werewolf the Apocalypse

orchid void
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huh

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well

grave gulch
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neat

grave gulch
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i need music for a mysterium initiation

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@chilly vault @clear delta i summon thee vicksyGa also @mighty zephyr

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would yall happene to have any suggestions?

chilly vault
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Is this music supposed to be diegetic?

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The words don't mean anything but the idea is to sound sort of like a Buddhist chant

grave gulch
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what does diegetic mean? vicksyAww

chilly vault
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Real within the fiction

grave gulch
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that does give me an idea

chilly vault
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Like, is the Mysterium playing the music

grave gulch
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makes me think of nier automata actually

chilly vault
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I wouldn't put it past the Mysterium to do some drum circle stuff during an initiation, either

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Very "submerge into the mind of the collective"

grave gulch
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their initiation is pretty hardcore vicksyConcern at least for the rank of mysterium arche

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like actual animal sacrifices

high hornet
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So I suspect we're out of usual standard procedure by now in our vampire game, and have been for a while

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but what does a "pool of ascension" do?

mighty zephyr
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what

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That's a thing your ST made up I think, I've never heard of this.

high hornet
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I think it's a Mummy thing because we just helped fight Pemtex off of a burial ground area and stabbed a bunch of Hollow Men and had a fight with a vampire dude with a snake head and at least serpentis 5

mighty zephyr
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it is not a mummy thing

high hornet
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Okie dokie

mighty zephyr
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you're in the hands of god now Leika

high hornet
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they mentioned something about it helping repair what was lost from before their death- also yeah I mentioned that one of the guys was having a nasty chat with anubis right now and the ST chuckled and went "closer than you think"

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Anyway we got our friend in there

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The good news is we got like 10xp. gonna need to figure what to spend on

fair tapir
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genuinely the only thing that I can find that's even close to a Pool of Ascension anywhere is the Well of Ascension from Mistborn (which is a pool)

high hornet
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What's... thaaaaat do?

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I suspect we're far into the otherlands now anyway so I'm just updating people on what the fuck is happening in my weird adventure

fair tapir
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Big spoilers for the first Mistborn trilogy ||it "ascends" you into an immortal sorcerer emperor||
Big BIG spoilers for same ||it's actually an evil god, kept in check by said emperor regularly tapping its power||

high hornet
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Good thing he's a friend :3

orchid void
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oooh leika you might be doomed as fuck

sacred viper
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:3

orchid void
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im also thinkin about fun rumours/mysteries to staple to the Lodge of the Hook Hand and the idea that their patron spirit is a magath because it accidentally ate the goetia for slasher movies

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that feels appropriately strange and taboo-crossing enough for the vibes they put together on lodges

high hornet
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to be fair he didn't immediately obliterate us after emerging from his pod

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which is a bonus

high current
sacred viper
orchid void
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A specific film reel, a novel in a library

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These are spirit things

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Goetia falling out of the collective unconscious representing specific ideas and fears,,, that’s a good way to get a Mystery goin

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Yes there’s easier i guess but the easier doesn’t feel justified by my read on the text so I’ll go for the harder thing that makes more questions

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And build the lodge patron Beyond the Firelight, Dreaded Sundown

high hornet
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So, just to check, when Setite dudes have like snake heads and are known as "priests" that means they're pretty dangerous to fight, right?

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or like, have as enemies

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I'm guessing yes considering how hard he was to stab but I'm not really aware of how fucked we are

mighty zephyr
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I have no idea what Serpentitude or whatever that discipline was called

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I only know V5 Ministers

dense vault
# sacred viper

Thank you for introducing me to Deviant, this seems like it's extremely my type of shit.

high current
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@high hornet yeah that's like 4 dots in Serpentis at least, maybe 6 depending on edition

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(assuming 20th, it's 4 dots; Revised put it at 6)

high hornet
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I believe 4th dots. I believe.

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I hope

velvet sparrow
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Snake head? No that's like, 6

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4th would be... turning into a snake, I think

velvet sparrow
high current
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in revised

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at least, going off the unofficial white wolf wiki

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dark ages 20th moved it to 4

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ah, in non-DA V20 it's a combination discipline with Potence 3

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or Serpentis 6

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(you can get it earlier if you have Potence 3, otherwise it requires Serp 6)

velvet sparrow
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No, I think that's transforming into a different thing, not just snake head

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Or, wait, no, sorry

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I have trouble reading the dots

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It's 7, not 6

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Now, there is also the potential that they're using Obfuscate

high hornet
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I know they weren't seven dots in something cause I ain't dead

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So I'm guessing it was the four dot one

velvet sparrow
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The four dot one is not human body with snake head.

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The four dot is either turn into a snake, or turn into a full-body humanoid snake monster

high hornet
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They may have been snake monster

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I only remember snake head cause they were ducking behind a sarcophagus

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He had tough scales I remember that

sacred viper
grave gulch
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Is awakening also autistic individual? wixelsSit

heady kestrel
grave gulch
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well then that's spot on wixelsICANT i'm a storyteller for that

short quiver
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(they need to make them Followers of Apep it would make so much more sense)

clear delta
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So remember when we talked about Spiral?

The giant mage looked enraged, then her face and mouth expanded. Faces of spirits appeared on her skin, converging to her head before they started spinning. Blood and ephemera gathered in her mouth, spinning ever faster
A beam was shot out, with a great flash, as many inhuman voices cried out in agony, including her own.
Spiral stood there, panting as the faces receded, looking thinner and worn, her skin melting more than usual
All around her, what remained of the frontliners was a puddle of gore and ephemera, mage werewolf and spirit easily destroyed by the attack.
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Phase 2 transition, vocals kick in. Her uzumaki causes aggravated damage to her.

grave gulch
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no more wizard game till february vicksyThink

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i wonder if i should work on that other idea i had

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had this idea for a stalker like werewolf game

sour zephyr
# sacred viper

what does CtD have to do with being trans? /gen
i'm not very familiar with it

short quiver
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CtD is a game about being part of a world of imagination and wonder that the real world, in part out of malice but mostly uncaring clumsiness, is always working to stamp out and kill everything about you that's special.
It's not just a trans analogy but I can definitely read that there

sour zephyr
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i can see that being part of it too

short quiver
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It's one of my favorite WoD games, although its relationship with the rest of the setting is... odd.

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Like, you're living in a literal fantasy world where there might be a dragon under the hill behind your house or a horrible monster under a kid's bed but normal people can't see it and someday you'll forget it was ever real to you.
It doesn't really vibe super well with the actual vampires and werewolves hanging out all over the place

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(some of the mechanics were a bit wonky and it definitely had some of that "science is evil for telling you that crystals aren't as good as vaccines" thing WoD loved but it's still a cherished memory of mine)

lethal idol
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Just on the surface, changelings think they're regular human but discover that they've been part faerie their whole lives

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As opposed to vampire or mage where Something Happens and then you are different

fair tapir
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oh, is that how it works? I thought Changeling was about getting kidnapped into Fairy and trying to make a life for yourself after finding your way back

lethal idol
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I believe that's Changeling: the Lost

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the chronicles equivalent

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(I am not super into Changeling so I could be mistaken!)

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in CtL you are specifically kidnapped and turned into a strange creature, then you escape and have to deal with it

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in CtD you are part human part faerie and at some point realize that the world is a strange and mystical place

short quiver
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Yeah, Dreaming and Lost share some terminology and really broad conceptual stuff but are extremely different games and themes going on.

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Changeling: the Dreaming is about how we used play pretend and give each other different names we would build a rocket ship and then we'd fly it far away we used to dream of outer space but now they're laughing in our face saying WAKE UP YOU HAVE TO MAKE MONEY

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Changeling: the Lost is fundamentally about survivors of trauma and specifically abuse

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It does it in some really cool ways, incidentally, and specifically not defining their whole lives by that trauma is a significant theme of the game.
But also there's no way to turn a Changeling back into a human, they won't ever be the same person they were before, although some will be more or less intigrate back into their old lives.
Which also features one of the big questions of the game: "if your Keeper tore off a piece of your shadow to turn a pile of trash bags and chicken bones into something that looked like you and set it to live your life, what do you do with it when you got back?"

orchid void
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changeling the dreaming is a game not written by otherkin, that never-the-less ended up being deeply informative and shaping in early otherkin culture

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and that, in turn, is part of why it overlaps with trans identities and the way trans and otherkin used to venn-diagram a lot in the early internet

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so that's probably why, in a modern lens and with back information of Lost's thematics of abusive cycles, informs reading it as a trans allegory

clear delta
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Are there otherkin rpgs?

open roost
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Guy who insists on calling successes sucs.

grave gulch
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speaker D scares me

orchid void
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:3c

grave gulch
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Hi delilah! vicksyWave

short quiver
orchid void
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watched this clip last night and couldn't help but think "oh that's mage the ascension"

high hornet
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Oh Cunk is like an anti-mage

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Pure power

grave gulch
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how would you describe a werewolf without telling your players that this is a werewolf?

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what words would you use?

spice abyss
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Terrifying Furry

clear delta
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Shapeshifting murder machine

fair tapir
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What do they know/what can they see?

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Tbh, unless you go full horror movie and don't show the monster until the climax, it's going to be hard to hide. Both the players and their characters live in a world saturated with werewolf media, so hiding that a bipedal wolf is a werewolf might not be worth the effort

grave gulch
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yeah sure it's going to be difficult but i think it's more fun to describe what it looks like rather than telling them "this is a werewolf"

fair tapir
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Ahhh, okay. Not hiding it, just looking for descriptive text?

grave gulch
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yes!

fair tapir
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Ok, great, that's much easier.

  • What would a movie focus on? Shadows moving just out of sight, light glinting on tooth and claw, posture shifting between animal and human. Sheer size more than a discrete shape.
  • Think about all five senses: what do you hear (panting breathes, claws clicking, bones crunching, a growl you can feel vibrating through your chest), smell (wet dog, musk, blood), feel (fur, heat, eyes on the back of your neck), and since this is WoD taste (energy to the point of frenzy, rage)
  • If they're seeing the transformation, focus on the action/verb of the change and not the basic noun of "werewolf". Talk about limbs lengthening, bone cracking, fur growing.
supple quail
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also if they're human then they're probably gonna have that primal fear response thing

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not sure if mages also have that

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but you can go 'the cold deep lizard part of your brain, the part your ancestors passed down to you like a spear, screams at you you're already being torn apart'

velvet sparrow
high current
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there'd also be a ping on mage sight when the werewolf shapeshifts vvvSip fwiw

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ye, cofd/wtf also has a fear thing for mortals seeing war form werewolves and stuff

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i can never remember which is which between apocalypse and forsaken

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but i know one calls it delirium, the other calls it lunacy

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i think forsaken is lunacy

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ye

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forces a breaking point on any mortal who sees a werewolf in any form other than human or wolf, with varying penalties and bonuses

supple quail
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do mages get that as well?

high current
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success/failure give a condition and the witness forgets/reinvents events to fit their understanding of the world
exceptional success refills willpower, and they remember the scene with perfect clarity
dramatic failure makes them a wolf-blooded(kinfolk)

mighty zephyr
high current
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ye wtf 2e core explicitly calls out 'anybody that doesnt use Integrity is immune to lunacy'

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which means Hunters are still vulnerable to it vvSmug

grave gulch
orchid void
high hornet
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Oh for the problems of a vampire seeking love

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heady kestrel
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Ghosts of Christmas past, present and future seem like a good touchstone for tier 3+ ghosts

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“I’m a ghost”
“Of who?”
“Christmas past”

short quiver
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Christmas Past is some horror fuel, btw, if you look at the Dickens description

heady kestrel
short quiver
# heady kestrel Oh? Now I’m curious because the horrifying revenant I always think of is the apo...

So Christmas Future is directly spooky, menacing featureless black robe thing going on
Past, though, so it's a figure that looks like a child, or maybe like an old person being made to look like they're far away through "some supernatural medium," except that their skin is completely unblemished and young, and it's shooting a pillar of light into the sky around it, and it carries around a giant candle extinguisher to put itself out, and

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Even this, though, when Scrooge looked at it with increasing steadiness, was not its strangest quality. For as its belt sparkled and glittered now in one part and now in another, and what was light one instant, at another time was dark, so the figure itself fluctuated in its distinctness: being now a thing with one arm, now with one leg, now with twenty legs, now a pair of legs without a head, now a head without a body: of which dissolving parts, no outline would be visible in the dense gloom wherein they melted away. And in the very wonder of this, it would be itself again; distinct and clear as ever.

heady kestrel
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Oooooooo that is fun

chilly vault
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I think what this establishes is that Dickens could have been a top-notch horror author if he had wanted to be

high hornet
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Well, when he wanted to be

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He definitely dipped into that ink well once in a while

clear delta
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The cgi movie did well in making it eerie, and then disturbing when it starts having the faces of everyone in Scrooge's past

chilly vault
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Does feel like, I dunno, these are a bunch of divine ghosts meant to instill terror and regret, they should probably all be kinda scary and uncomfortable

mighty zephyr
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https://youtu.be/WnLd9u2_GPI?si=Fha2vN8cj0HLIHCz

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Satyros Phil Brucato on Magick and 30 Years of Mage The Ascension

In this conversation, Satyros Phil Brucato discusses his journey in developing 'Mage: The Ascension,' exploring the spiritual and metaphysical influences that shaped the game.

He reflects on the development process, the philosophical underpinnings of the game's factions, partic...

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Hrmm

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This is so strange

grave gulch
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why is it strange?

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is it because wixelsOld ?

mighty zephyr
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Well he talks about how the reason he wrote the Nephandi like that is because he had seen people actually sacrifice animals

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So just strange all around

grave gulch
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oh that is strange

clear delta
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I thought animal sacrifice was normal for like, verbena

high current
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'i wanted to make M20 one book but i didnt have enough page count'
[puts in half-page sidebars about memes, food, and why playing evil characters will turn you evil irl, leaving out a bunch of things that would be more important for the core book]

clear delta
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The ignorant stuff about trans people

high current
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i'm not even aware of that tbh vvvSip but there's a lengthy list of things he's put in books that is highly questionable at best

clear delta
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M20 sure is a book

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Heard some rules contradict each other

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Oh yeah, there's the sex stuff he inserted while talking about the character sheet

midnight grotto
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I'm curious

clear delta
mighty zephyr
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Presumably the interview

midnight grotto
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yeah

orchid void
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this is not to throw stones in glasses houses of the occult. but i don’t believe him!!!

sacred viper
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He is speaking the truth, I was the sacrificial animal

mighty zephyr
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I watched the full interview

chilly vault
clear delta
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He's weird about all beliefs

short quiver
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so does anyone else remember the Pentex: Subsidiaries book where Justin Achilli got to write a whole chapter that was like half inside jokes and half just talking shit about the industry and hobby generally and White Wolf specifically?

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(including himself, in fairness)

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anyway this was in it just leaving it here

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chilly vault
high current
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I hope he has nothing to do with Mage 5e, assuming it's even in the works VVSipp

clear delta
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I think owod and cofd are both dead?

high current
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cofd is, owod isn't, they're still publishing new stuff as recently as this month

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with other upcoming books announced and available for pre-order(In Memoriam for V5, Apostates for H5)

patent stirrupBOT
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5e is not quite oWoD and is it's own hing wiht a lot of stuff getting cahnged and some splats getting flat out removed for the better.

grave gulch
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I want wizards 5th edition vicksyAngy

clear delta
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How is ars goetia different from Infernalism, in oMage/Ascension?

short quiver
patent stirrupBOT
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If by the first one you mean the sorcererious path of summoning and by the second one you mean Napahndi stuff then a lot

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[Reply to:](#1161696306100715550 message) How is ars goetia different from Infernalism, in oMage/Ascension?

clear delta
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Yeah I saw hermetics use goetia

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How are tgey different from demons bephandi summon

patent stirrupBOT
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well in that case, it's that they have not turned there soul inside out for the Wyrm

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but in that case it's just that the hermetics use cermonial magic osa foci for the sperit sphear and well not turing there soul inside out

clear delta
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But tge ars goetia, are they just spirits that are called demons?

mighty zephyr
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Maybe!

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Maybe they're actual demons from hell.

high current
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what is hell if not an astral or spirit realm

grave gulch
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i dont wanna go there

orchid void
grave gulch
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i read that in big D's voice for some reason

clear delta
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Anyway, so we can have non-evil satanist trans witched in ascension

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Though I also like angel summoning trans mages

grave gulch
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can't werewolves transition or something of the sort?

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vicksyThink i know there's a luna's gift thing that allows you to do so in forsaken

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is there something like that in apocalypse?

clear delta
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So, a vtr vampire who's Christian but worships desires and gluttony would be able to fit into the Circle of the Crone?
I think she could go for Lancea et Sanctum if she hides her true beliefs, but she'd need to buy into the idea of guiding the flock too

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The ordo dracul is a good fit, but I wanna think about how she'd fit with those two covenants

mighty zephyr
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In Shattered Nation

grave gulch
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How does it work? vicksySip

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You just do it? wixelsSit

mighty zephyr
grave gulch
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I liked the baby bit wixelsSit

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Anyways, thanks voy!

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I've been curious about that bit of info

clear delta
clear delta
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I kinda like the idea of her being a serial diablerist who believes she can become an angel (and vampires can turn into something other with effort)
Which I realize is a milder version of vtm's Capoadocius, who thought the most Christian thing to do would be to devour God

grave gulch
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Diableri is scary vicksySip dont u go a little crazy from doing it way too much tho?

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Like cant you end up turning into a different person?

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Or just straight up having one of the people you absorbed take over your body?

clear delta
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I dunno in vtr, but in vtm I think you can play it safe and eat people without a significant difference in power
And just avoid antediluvians entirely, you are likely to lose the soul fight even if you're a 4th generation

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I think in vtr a low power difference also helps

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(All this, considering stronger prey
Draining vampires tgat are much weaker must be easy to not get taken over)

orchid void
radiant marsh
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It's party of Luna's blessing that you change to embody your true self.

clear delta
clear delta
radiant marsh
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clear delta
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Hm werewolf the forsaken needs rat shifters

spice abyss
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It's got Beshilu

grave gulch
heady kestrel
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aren't rats one of the two big Hosts

orchid void
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yah it’s got the belishu

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But hosts ain’t quiet shifters

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They kinda only go one way (get worse)

clear delta
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So, morphean liches had the side effects on their minds explained
Do the other archons, spirit and ghost, get similar descriptions somewhere?

clear delta
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Legacy idea. Mage can summon ghosts of things and people she has devoured

grave gulch
clear delta
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Better idea. The main part of the legacy is owning and controlling through space. Death is for elimination, while also getting to still own what you destroyed

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This is all under a metaphor of consumption

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What you own is part of you

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Mastery is cutting off a place from the world, like Blank from Generator Rex

heady kestrel
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Curious about chats Banisher takes

Do y’all prefer writing Ideologue, Harrowed or Hungry Banishers

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Ideologues are just mages who hate magic or mages for one reason or another
Harrowed are people who awoke wrong and have integrity instead of wisdom. Leading to being around magic causing them agony which they seek to snuff out. This is contagious
Hungry Banishers are mages who picked up Banisher Legacies, which even if they are chill with magic leads to them doing Banisher Shit like destroying Hallows or Magical Knowledge for no fucking reason

mighty zephyr
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I like Harrowed the most

radiant marsh
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Likewise

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They're the most...IDK. 'Mage'y'

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Like you could have an Ideologue story with any splat

heady kestrel
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Harrowed are really fun!
I do have a special place in my heart for ideologues due to shit like the Trimori(a faction of Banishers that goes back to Atlantis) and the fact “witch Hunter who is a lowkey witch and its like a internalized homophobia metaphor or some shit” is funny

And hungry are just a really weird and kinda neat way for a mage to be left handed

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Sometimes you just… have a couple Hungry that haven’t been rooted out yet in your local guardians or mysterium chapter

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Like a guardian of the veil taking a legacy about killing “unworthy mages” could be considered a Hungry Banisher

clear delta
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There's a hungry banisher legacy that's all about devouring knowledge and making it only yours, the Logophages
One thing they do, mentioned in the example characters' plot, is ||prepare apprentices just to eat their minds later||
From night horrors nameless and accursed

short quiver
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I like Idealogues because statting up the totally not Church of Scientology as a Banisher group with totally not Tom Cruise as a Banisher is still extremely funny to me.

chilly vault
patent talon
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Harrowed are my favourite but I love a Splat-that-hates-their-splat. The idea that the creator of the quiet legacy in Mage Noir went banisher because he fully wanted to embody the ideology of magic rules, but I like Harrowed both as a fucked up thing that can happen and consequence of hubris when interfering with Awakenings

chilly vault
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I like that they acknowledge there are many reasons a mage might hunt mages

short quiver
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I feel like Guardians aren't quite there but a lot of them would just need the slightest push

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like the slightest shift from "I really need you motherfuckers to stop using the fire of creation to heat your cocoa and barely pay attention to whether you're burning the house down" to "banned. banned. none of you are free of sin"

clear delta
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Honestly I get it. Mages must be frustrating

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You can only deal with so many tragedies due to foolish casting

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Before you decide the sins you must commit for the awakened need to be a little more heavy-handed

orchid void
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Sins for a just aim grant Wisdom…

short quiver
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"The Awakened are often called 'the Wise,' mostly by themselves."

grave gulch
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Lets see how wise they get with a pack of raging werewolves on their butts

clear delta
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Oh my

clear delta
versed zodiac
grave gulch
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what do u mean vicksyHeck

versed zodiac
high current
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Wisdom is stored in the butt
hence the term 'wise-ass' vvvSip

clear delta
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Scions of god are an interesting legacy

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Out of the spirit legacies, this one involves becoming partially your spirit as a holy self, and possibly becoming a full spirit after death

clear delta
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Has been a while since I've touched ascension but
The Christian rock summoners.
They use music, and to some extent other forms of art, to summon angels or borrow their power
Subgroup of the Celestial chorus that uses Spirit
Is big on accepting queer people, having a large amount of trabs members

ancient narwhal
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anybody here a princess the hopeful fan?

clear delta
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I know of it but I'm not deep into it

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And I'm willing to participate in a convo or get infodumped, but I want to post a thing before I forget

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Idea inspired by Centipede from Cain
Incarnated catastrophes feared by werewolves, the conditions for their manifestation are unknown, except for the fact they frequently attack Wounds
They devastate areas on both shadow and flesh sides, spitting acidic venom, and disappear if they finish the job. On Wounds, they tear apart the corrupted fabric of the Shadow, and as they disappear, the world of spirits, bubbling from the venom, melts closed, ending the Wound

clear delta
ancient narwhal
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i don’t have a favourite per say. Last time I played in play by post i was playing a beacon-shikigami duo that unison transformed

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but personally I like the hearts and swords equally

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all I wanted was to play garo in wod

clear delta
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Shikigami?

ancient narwhal
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shikigami are advisor spirits that can inhabit dolls, plushies and small animals

clear delta
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Ah cute

ancient narwhal
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they’re also a player option

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there is a merit that they can combine with someone to transform

clear delta
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Ah unison transformation
That's a nanoha thing, correct?

ancient narwhal
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ye i believe so

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there’s a merit for the shikigame so they have control and a merit for the human if they want control of the combined form

clear delta
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Abd if none take the control merits?

ancient narwhal
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oh, sorry. The Unison merit dictates who has control of the transformed form

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My beacon had it, so he could unite with his shiba inu shikigami and turn into the golden armor knight to kick ass. He was the one in control.

ancient narwhal
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but yeah, I just like the Princess the hopeful vibes

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love me nobledark media

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love me fighting the grimdark genre itself

clear delta
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The way to heal the dethroned is interesting

ancient narwhal
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yuuup

silver apex
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princess looks super cool, i always wanted to try that doll fanmade splat too

mighty zephyr
silver apex
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literally the only 2 things i see on the internet about it seem to be extremely negative lol

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but i think a game about dolls in general is a really neat idea

heady kestrel
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I remember reading a little bit of that Siren fan splat and really liking the Fishers

I feel like that sorta faction is ideal Chronicles Shit

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The Fishers for context are based on that myth that drinking the blood mermaids gives you eternal youth

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So they are a bunch of cyberpunk corpos who want to eat you

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And have cybernetics that cause them to age rapidly

high hornet
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Had a small... conversation with some Crinos werewolves

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I was trying to talk to some fae allies

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it' did not go well

grave gulch
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Did they go wolfy?

high hornet
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yes

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My ally got beat the shit out of, I somehow kept dodging and soaking and avoiding

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Werewolves kept on attacking me and I was fine but he kept on trying to interrupt attacks and then got focused and stabbed and everything

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I probably would have been off worse but I didn't have my weapon so I kept dodging trying to get it and they kept on swarming me.

grave gulch
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Im surprised nobody died

clear delta
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Magath of ant and subway/train spirit
It would be utterly obsessed with punctually doing its tasks
Could have a brood of those in the Shadow underground, perhaps making their colony in a Place-That-Isn't

clear delta
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Though they might be compatible enough to not be magath

high hornet
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I was very lucky and my ally got very close.

stiff tiger
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Dark ages vampire has the best rules for allies ever

clear delta
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What's your favorite group in hunter the vigil?

midnight grotto
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Union!

clear delta
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Yeah. Using work and homemade tools, and just wanting troublemaking supernaturals to fuck off

grave gulch
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||that chair is made of silver ||

high current
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Union, Lucifuge, and Cheiron are my faves

clear delta
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Les Mysteres are funny
Being manipulated by spirits

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They let spirits possess them

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I think a chunk of members are claimed

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I like the religious hunters that deal with spirits and ghosts

spice abyss
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I love VASCU

clear delta
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Yesh, they act like police, but with psychic powers

orchid void
spice abyss
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Better

clear delta
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Tired vascu agent explaining to a mage they should get a job reforming old homes instead of breaking into property to fix it to spirits' liking

radiant marsh
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VASCU is neat

clear delta
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White hare society is interesting in poking other worlds
Council of bones is probably getting regularly dragged to the underworld by reapers

ancient narwhal
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Light Company from the princess the hopeful complement is my favourite

ancient narwhal
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from the base I like the VASCU

clear delta
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What's light company about?

ancient narwhal
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The Light Company: Sworn Mercenaries who support Princesses in their fight against the Darkness in exchange for Bequests and the hope of finding their place in the world.

clear delta
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Magical girls with mercenaries, cool

ancient narwhal
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yus

stiff tiger
clear delta
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Official book? They'd never put a fanmade gameline tgere

ancient narwhal
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🤷

clear delta
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Best at: destruction, setting up disasters
Worst at: blending in with humans, anything that requires having human hands
Centipedes can manipulate humans or try to set themselves up as gods, but feigning being nice and friendly is generally beyond them.
There are early signs of an oncoming centipede manifestation, and you can even suppress it. Those who know of them then desperatelly try to figure out if there's some cause that they can eliminate

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It's funny if you have one of the myriad things happening in tokyo cause a centipede to try to manifest, and mages start being side-eyed as a possible cause. They already have a hard time hiding due to their spells creating a signal that alerts nearby supernaturals

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I also thought of maybe centipede suppression and/or manifestation inducing the creation of centipede shifters

red flower
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Played my first session of VTM today. Basically session 0.

We all started out as humans, seperated across the city (actually our home city, which is pretty sweet.)

I was driving my car when a Gangrel was chasing after me, on foot, on the highway going 120km/h.
It jumped ontp my car and tried to tear into the roof. I drove into the suburbs and knocked it off with a low hanging tree, before reversing to try and run it over.
It recovered, slashed my tires, and punched a hole in my engine.

So my character got out of his car and wacked the vampire in the teeth with a baseball bat.
In retaliation, it guts my guy, and decides I put up enough of a fight to actually turn me.

Quite a start to the game!

high current
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that is indeed a good way to impress a gangrel(or a brujah)

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though brujah would be more about fighting for something, rather than just survival

clear delta
mighty zephyr
short quiver
mighty zephyr
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II think it's the third punch

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It's just perfect comedic timing

high current
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"You must be the Belmont"
interpretable as either "Only a Belmont would punch like that"(whether it's strong or weak), or "Only a Belmont would dare to punch me barehanded" vvvSip

ancient narwhal
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both? Both is good

radiant marsh
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"Only one family would be crazy enough to just try to punch me, let alone multiple times."

stiff tiger
radiant marsh
spice abyss
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Oh my god, that's not a world of darkness game?!

high hornet
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It is now!

clear delta
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Also lmao the sex tattoo

short quiver
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I think this is the genuine artcle

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ah, no, this isn't Chick at all
It's from the Truth For Youth abridged Bible with comics

clear delta
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I thought "ah they'll be like vampires" then got progressively 😱

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Jesus fucking Christ

mighty zephyr
grave gulch
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why

sacred viper
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Yeah this makes sense

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(Also the real answer is that fandom the website is a fucking mess)

clear delta
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Yeah it sucks

orchid void
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hi friends come getcha juice for Vampire

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(I found a cool book)

grave gulch
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i must hunt

high hornet
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that's some hella juice there

orchid void
high hornet
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Quite a lot to work with there

grave gulch
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Can vamp drink blood that has been stored in a blood bank?

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Or does it have to be fresh blood?

versed zodiac
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in WoD?

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Drinking bagged blood is restricted to only certain vampires who have the ability as a Merit

orchid void
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i remember the rules always being a little wibbly on it, i know the fresh stuff is better, i think the bloodbags are like. half as nourishing by volume? at least that's what my memory says but do not trust it

mighty zephyr
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In V5 there's a specific merit for it yeah

clear delta
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https://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/main-forum/the-new-world-of-darkness/werewolf-the-forsaken/884923-gisilu-the-ant-host
https://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/main-forum/the-new-world-of-darkness/werewolf-the-forsaken/8999-shartha-bharsalu-the-bee-host

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Hey all, it's been awhile since I have offered content to the Werewolf forum, and I felt that you all would appreciate these little monsters; they have taken a

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I'm exporting my stuff from the old forums. Here's the first one. LostLight deserves some credit for having inspired into making this Host. The others who posted in

fair tapir
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hmmm. I wish I could find a version of the Oprah "beeees!" gif that didn't have a wasp flying straight at the camera

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for the purposes of this joke, please imagine Oprah as summoning a bee host. thank you for your cooperation with the joke.

clear delta
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Got it!

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Hosts are fun
More and more Sacred Prey

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I also like new shifters

clear delta
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So bat hosts are all about drinking suffering and creating Wounds, and hate the celestines, specially Helios and Luna. And their pangaean is alive, wandering space
Moth hosts are about fear and beauty, feeding on fear and nightmares, and having a complex and risky life cycle so as to have a beautiful final form
Ant hosts are angry about humans altering the world too much and thing they should destroy everything in the hopes of starting over
Abd bee hosts are control freaks who want to kill all other creatures to make the world into their personal garden

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Any favorite for you all?

grave gulch
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also asking here cause yeah

clear delta
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As far as I know, counter spell does not use nimbus

mighty zephyr
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Correct, it only counts for Nimbus

clear delta
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And Bear awakens to take it back

mighty zephyr
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ty

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I should've finished that and made Werebears

grave gulch
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were u always purple Voy?

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am i simply confused cause of the profile pic change

mighty zephyr
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latterr

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I've been ppurple for a few years

grave gulch
short quiver
# grave gulch Or does it have to be fresh blood?

In V5 it is, as mentioned, a Merit to be able to get sustenance from stored blood.
In Requiem's first edition, stored blood could be used for Vitae if you got enough but was small enough that it was worthless in practice. They might have just made it outright useless in 2nd or I might have missed it, either is possible

patent stirrupBOT
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i older edition of VtM IWRC it was worth one blood point per bag if it was whole blood and not seperated plasma

short quiver
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Yeah, something like that.
They made it a lot less useful in Requiem, presumably because they felt the "gothy silver punch bowl and chalices of blood" thing wasn't worth the way it made vampires less incentivized to do the vampire thing

versed zodiac
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that don quixote pfp...

dusky ledge
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My Tremere just took Calix Secretus

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Out of game I'm calling it the Juice Box, and I expect our Nos will follow suit shortly

clear delta
clear delta
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Posting quick thing to fix later
Absorbers of dark spirits

  • 1 Sense dark spirits
    Optional: Detect sickness
  • 2 Command them to claim you, while suppressing their will and powers. You have a slightly unsettling aura and become sickly
  • 3 Let out a little of the spirit's powers.
    Optional: let your body warp from the spirits within. Gain strength dots, can stretch. Looks grotesque
  • 4 Damage spell or upgrade on previous
  • 5 Use your death as a ritual to cleanse an area spiritually, possible to even close a Wound
    Optional: Life in the area receives more vitality for a time, being sickness and poison, and gaining faster regeneration
    Oblations: drinking poison, baths/washing, studying health, studying the state of places
    Yantras: poisonous animals, cleaning utensils
clear delta
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Spirit and life legacy

grave gulch
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you know what sounds fun?

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having a hunter game set in Japan and make em hunt yokai

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there's so many fun yokai that could be used

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i should at least do a one shot of that

clear delta
clear delta
grave gulch
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centipedes scare me

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that would be terrifying

clear delta
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Oh, on centipede shifters.
I think I'll make the condition likely to happen to people who:

  • Suffer a breaking point
  • Feel helpless
  • Feel a need to escape
grave gulch
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i would feel that regardless if i was able to resist it or not

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hooooooly

clear delta
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Resist becoming a shifter?

grave gulch
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oh sorry i misunderstood

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i thought u meant that would happen to those who saw the shifters

clear delta
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Oh no, I meant that those people would be more likely to become shifters

grave gulch
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right vicksyNoted

clear delta
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They'd have the drive to destroy granted by the centipede, and likely already have something they see as a problem to destroy

dusky ledge
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Special double feature in my VtM group this week, starring my Tremere flipping the fuck out, locking themself in their house, and then using Calix Secretus repeatedly to intentionally drive up their hunger

clear delta
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@mighty zephyr that nerdy prudes must die animatic is gone, for some reason

dusky ledge
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After getting some stains, our Salubri's sire and mawla used Unburdening the Bestial Soul on my character. Not only did she pass both rouse checks, but she also landed a crit.

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So uh I've got 8 humanity now. Out of fucking nowhere

stiff tiger
dusky ledge
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That's... A good thing?

high current
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subjective, but generally yes vvvSip

clear delta
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Anyone a fan of Mummy the curse?

dusky ledge
clear delta
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A mummy can wake up in the 90s, then the 1700s, then 2010s

mighty zephyr
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It doesn't really

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Mummy's are purely individual creatures and finding another one in your travels is a rarity

clear delta
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I see

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So you don't socialize much with your guild

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Though I think the Su-Menent keep eyes on heretics

grave gulch
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Hello Voy wixelsSit Hello Wax

clear delta
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Yo

stiff tiger
versed zodiac
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vampire brain at work tbh

grave gulch
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their brains still work?

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not saying vampires are dumb, i just thought vitae worked as their brain