World of Darkness

[high hornet]

Scared the shit out of an ally wizard because I (somehow) stumbled into his base and found him tending to his wounds and jump scared the fuck out of him. Not a good idea to jump scare a wizard.

[mighty zephyr]

I have the same power but it only works to scare my mom and other easily surprised middle aged women

[versed zodiac]

I also share in this ability

[high hornet]

Did they also respond with a fireball?

[versed zodiac]

my mom would

[high hornet]

Fair.

It turns out I was kinda choking the guy cause he was mortal and I'd used an ability I thought just made shit dark and hard to see, but uh... yeah oops that power chokes mortals

He was also deaf so me trying to speak to him didn't help

Thankfully things calmed down and I made him pancakes.

[supple quail]

pancakes solve every problem

at least vampires can still cook even if they can't eat

can vampires still taste food? and if so can they still enjoy it as a sensation

like ik they can't digest it really

[high hornet]

You can eat okay if you blush of health but you hurgle it back up. Some can even still taste food with a particular talent

[supple quail]

ah ok i was wondering if they could just. chew it and rest it in their mouth then spit it out

[high hornet]

We skip over the throwing up later thing most of the time because like we don't need to do that EVERY time my character puts something in his mouth

Also they can still cook but only on induction stoves. Any open flame will risk a frenzy.

[supple quail]

missing out on the true vampire experienc

[clear delta]

There are vampires who eat humans. Hmm, do the victim's stomach contents count for tge curse?

[supple quail]

oh huh

[high hornet]

Thank goodness for induction stoves

[supple quail]

i'm imagining an old vampire who just learnt induction stoves are a thing so has spent the last 3 months non stop cooking

especially like, a toreador

[high hornet]

This has been my character lately

Just going "look I can do this now" and making pancakes and people love him

[supple quail]

make pancakes then beat a sabbat member to death with a frying pan

[high hornet]

Due to plot shenanigans he has demi-control over a goblet that changes the nature of blood, and he uses it to turn blood into appropriate items for cooking, and he made a burrito made entirely out of blood, but solidified or gellified or whatever he needed for the right textures. Anyway so the vampires who hadn't done anything but drink in decades grabbed him by the face and told him to never do this in public ever

One of the things I had to ask was, well, if super hot cast iron pans to the face would do aggrevated damage just like fire does

[mighty zephyr]

Probably not for Organvores

[high hornet]

we decided that it does extra damage that is aggravated but most attacks are regular club swings.

But if you grappled someone and shoved it against their face then you can do quite a bit of damage to them

[supple quail]

man i really wanna play world of darkness

however i have kind of a fear of blood sucking and injections and stuff so maybe not vampire preferably

it doesn't really function in a safe way for me yknow

[orchid void]

There’s always mage n changeling- w-

[supple quail]

yee

i really wanna do mage

i like mage the awakening more in terms of how magic works because i pretty much always prefer hard magic systems (interactions between abilities are more fun in those imo) but also think the villains are less interesting in terms of themes than MTascension

like technocrats genuinely think what they're doing is good for the world as far as i understand, they're making things Make Sense

whilst the Seers of the Throne are just straight up serving the demiurges which are tyranny incarnate

[velvet sparrow]

Yeah! I really like the Technocrats, I like the whole "They were founded by good guys, for a good reason, and then they got taken over by bad guys and now they're evil, but they do still have, buried deep within them, a point"

Like, the entire reason the Technocracy was founded was because some Mages went "Damn, the world fucking sucks for humans. They're being killed and enslaved by every supernatural nasty there is maybe someone should do something about that instead of sitting around reading books all day?"

Don't get me wrong, fuck the Technocracy they are abhorrent and villainous (then again, who isn't in WoD) but I like how there's like, there's something there y'know?

(Also, the Technocracy is older than the Camarilla and I find that amusing because they both can be called the ivory tower)

[supple quail]

yeah 100%, it's way more philosophically interesting than god is evil go kill em if you can

[supple quail]

lmfao

i have weird WoD knowledge because it's derived from wiki dives and here mostly

i think i get the gist of a lot of it but i imagine i'm probably missing some random things which turn out to be important in playing the game (excluding rules ofc)

[velvet sparrow]

Mine is derived from wiki dives, finding what book the wiki cites, reading the book, and realising the wiki is pretty much word-for-word what the book says

[supple quail]

yeah it reads like it

like the page for vampire generations randomly describes (iirc 7th generation) as they are in the 14th century

instead of modern day

[heady kestrel]

Here's the thing though
I find Seers very interesting because they don't have a good justification

Which forces them to either make something up or wish you would just kill them

[velvet sparrow]

I mean, they do have a good justification

It's just not the most interesting one

[clear delta]

Eh, it's more complex than that.
The gods are intertwinned with bad social forces
Greed, commodification, nationalism, biological essentialism.

So it's not just fight gods

[velvet sparrow]

Well, good as in "Yeah that justification makes total sense"

[heady kestrel]

well I don't think "because if you can't beat em join em" usually helps with your mental health

[clear delta]

It's fighting the concepts they represent. In the world and yourself

[velvet sparrow]

No, but people do things not great for their health for money all the time

And the Seers get a lot of money

[heady kestrel]

they do get a lot of money

Imagine joining the Seers and not at least getting resources 2 or 3 💀

[valid merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/zombieland-money-crying-gif-19161718

when a Seer gets sad because they serve the oppression gods

[heady kestrel]

yeah

[clear delta]

Reminded of that guy in a game who was a kind farmer before joining qn evil corporation, has a full breakdown over his change when he goes home and Distorts into a monster. Then he rejects Distortion and embraces the corporate life, going "fuck it! I'll fill my emptiness with fame and money!" And becomes the quest's final boss

[valid merlin]

but yeah I do think there's some great potential with the Seers
because a lot of them probably did have idealism and morals at one point
they just decided they would rather take the "safe" option of siding with the 'winning' side

[heady kestrel]

Yeah! Very Seer Core!

[clear delta]

That, and they're inherently tied up with organizations and institutions, so you can have more sympathetic villains involved with the same organization

[heady kestrel]

Fun fact: Fame in mage creates white noise around you that makes sympathetic magic resistant

[clear delta]

Look up the codex of darkness

It has a lot of cofd stuff

[high hornet]

Question: chef vampire, what kind of place would they run as their own little "I make money and have a place of my own"?

[versed zodiac]

chef vampire?

[high hornet]

My LaSombra is a chef, at least he was before he was bitten

He's still very much a chef

[versed zodiac]

I mean, probably a restaurant

did your guy have a restaurant before being embraced?

[high hornet]

Worked on the riverbarge casino in the restaurant on there, saving up for his own place

[versed zodiac]

lots of kindred, especially Camarilla, try to keep up a job and other points of human contact

not a family though

[high hornet]

yeah that's another issue his family is around the place

he was local

Not too bad because his family farm was out from the city a bit but he can't go around handing out hotdogs at little league games.
... midnight little league games.

[clear delta]

I posted some stuff about grimoires. They're fun

[versed zodiac]

tbh, Camarilla probably know a catering company or similar he could get involved in

this is how they getcha

[clear delta]

Grimoire

[versed zodiac]

they arrange your little cover identity for you and now you're stuck, you have to participate in the stupid little Camarilla dick-dick political games

[high hornet]

I think they did that already with the whole "you caused the tremere to explode"

[versed zodiac]

yeah true but the more embedded you are in the Camarilla and their shit the more stuck you get

[high hornet]

True.

I dunno if poor Omar is smart enough to get out from the stupid politics

Though he does have a decent finance actually

I've been advised not to tell anyone about the fact he can do finances though, cause that's how someone who's been dead since before child labour was made illegal gets you do their taxes for the last fifteen decades

[supple quail]

a real great and mighty kevin type situation

[high hornet]

Too true

[orchid void]

Oh boy oh boy time to do Dream Magic In Mage

[short quiver]

hah
Mind Mage tripsitter!

[high hornet]

Terrible, horrible, I volunteer

[mighty zephyr]

A slut just wants to play W5 but no one's running it ;^;

[grave gulch]

It seems we are fated to be the "forevee gm" for a while voy

[patent talon]

I'm still itching to run Mage at some point but I don't have the time and the people I know who I'd run for aren't that experienced with roleplaying games and I feel like Mage is a big jump into the deep end

Though, I hadn't really considered play-by-post...

[fair jungle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldofDankmemes/comments/1crcu9u/otolleys_brand_twitter/#lightbox

The image :3c

[spice abyss]

Oh hi Pentex.

[fair jungle]

it does look yummy tho

[clear delta]

I saw something that could be interesting for a mastigos detective, but I forgot

[supple quail]

:(

[high hornet]

What is like a goal I should think about for my character?

I'm a bit uncertain for what he's desire

[grave gulch]

im actually glad the vamp game i was going to run didnt go anywhere

my friend invited a friend of hers...who i made pretty clear she shouldnt invite

[high hornet]

Beat them with sticks

beat them with sticks until they know what a boundary is.

[grave gulch]

she never even finished her character btw

so yeah

[high hornet]

Well at least it was avoided

[clear delta]

Hmm, cool astral stuff you can do

[supple quail]

well other than basic survival, does he want to escape or embrace the beast or does he not know?

like how does he feel about being a vampire and the loss of his humanity replaced with other instincts?

[grave gulch]

True

[high hornet]

He's rather new to it all is the problem, hasn't even left the house yet. I suppose that might be the thing, see how he reacts to actually interacting with vampire society first

[orchid void]

It goes like this, in tight little block text. Notes from the unwell and the weird. About the NYPDs secret jail where they keep serial killers on contract to hunt the undead, supposedly under Rikers Island. About the lights in the sky, spotted by the besotted of Yonkers. About the Men In Black hunting ‘reality deviants’ and how to avoid them. About the hungry god under Wall Street. In between these notes are classifieds- asking for pictures, testimony. Offering guns, survival manuals. In between the blocks of text, intentional blanks- lines you trace from word to word. Stitching together talk of Athenian death and the hidden signs to find more.
a description of the magazine my mage’s cult runs

[supple quail]

athenian death?

[high hornet]

Couldn't be Promethean death, he never got to die.

[clear delta]

Think a hunter conspiracy worships Athena. Maybe it's the fall of Athens, the city?

[grave gulch]

So

I had a few more ideas

For a zone like area

I was thinking of MGSV

In Africa you have a bunch of PMCS who are taking car of corporate interests and etc

I could have something like that in my game as well, different kinds of companies with different kinds of PMCs and factions, each damaging nature in a way that's difficult to ignore

I still would like to tackle with radiation tho

Folks down at the wod server gave me some good ideas

[mighty zephyr]

Reading some more W20

it's so weird that werewolves can only regenerate in certain forms?

Like if you're a homid you can only regenerate in a not-human form and vice versa for wolf-born

[grave gulch]

I feel like that's a way to make the player feel vulnerable

[grave gulch]

Like i dont think it's supposed to make sense

[mighty zephyr]

I'm just so used to Forsaken where you just

Are constantly regenerating

[mighty zephyr]

Man reading the discourse on this edition really makes me wanna fucking fight people

[grave gulch]

you could always change it so you always regenerate

what discourse? .w. i'm waiting for the book to come out on my country

[mighty zephyr]

Basic edition war stuff but it's so very clear when people are literally just talking out of nostalgia and hatred of change vs Actually Critiquing The Thing

[grave gulch]

oh right

[mighty zephyr]

ALSO

MOTHERFUCKERS expecting a core rulebook that's intended as a full reboot to establish a new baseline to have every bit of lore from 3 editions that are all in varying arrays of retcon

[grave gulch]

it aint like V5 has a shit ton of books for lore and other stuff

cause if they tried to fit everything there it wouldnt work well

[orchid void]

Lucy is themed for Labyrinths- 7 by 7 Athenian youths were sacrificed to the Minotaur. Their deaths are what drove Theseus to offer himself as one of the 14

[supple quail]

ahhhh ok

[orchid void]

Catacomb Lucy is, symbolically speaking, an Ariadne figure. Kin of Asterios, Guide through the Labyrinth, Weaver-Woman

The magazine is just another brick, falling into place. The Maze builds itself.

Mage is FUN when you just go hog on the mystical allusions and play up the various loves of the western traditions of mysticism (Abrahamic and Hellenistic)

[supple quail]

something something
me in the

[house]

tbh

[orchid void]

More this, but as your sleep paralysis nightmare tbh

lucy loves her mazes and her harrowing

[supple quail]

v fair

i'm fond of house of leaves because the maze and the minotaur are the same entity

[orchid void]

nah, when i'm doing it with Lucy is more, the maze traps victims, and they confront the minotaur. Lucy's working with a Guardian's Labyrinth- so its a lot of cults with themes that draw people to Dead Ends. The Minotaur is Ignorance. The Minotaur is Pride. The Minotaur is the thing that keeps the Unworthy from the Prize.

The truth must be kept secret, and safe, from those unworthy of laying hands upon it.

[midnight grotto]

Labyrinths always seem tricky to work out but I've got one idea for my Mage Noir plan where the city's primary one is designed to ensnare jaded rich boys in self-satisfied decadence, which is also convenient for giving the Guardians some easy cash flow. The obvious complication is that the people running the Labyrinth get sucked into the same trap as a result of having access too The Good Life.

[orchid void]

Idk how @mighty zephyr has the greater new york labyrinth set up, but Brooklyn's got a lot of Lucy's work, focusing on the occult underground of the 90s counterculture to push and pull at what people are looking at

[midnight grotto]

excellent

[barren vortex]

And you think you know Truth then?

What Truth do you have other than the one that says it is?

The light under heaven shines in many hues and yours is but one flame. Do you know your Truth to be eternally, universally, correct? These laws which stand with the same self-assurance of a monolith, constructed as its own justification. It has no reason for existence other than it could not permit any other way. The victor of a Titanomachy whose battlefield's soil became the loam of creation, and from the blood that seeped in blossomed principles of matter that grew tangled through the principles extant. Electromagnetism, Gravity, fundaments of all-there-is, and your Truth sits atop them superordinate to their designs and brooks no equal. How narrow you are, in believing a single storyteller.

have me freestyling... something, probably

[mighty zephyr]

The Labyrinth in New York is a very different beast.

[short quiver]

Wagner the FC Mastigos sez
"People ask if the talk about walking the path to transcendence via drugs and weird sex is just an excuse for the drugs and sex. It absolutely is. And also, it is a path to transcendence.
"When you can understand the contradiction, you will be enlightened,"

[mighty zephyr]

It's about gaslighting as hard as fucking possible

[supple quail]

so wait, what are labyrinths in this context? kinda reminds me of pandemonium a bit?

[clear delta]

A system of cults and organizations

Run by Guardians

[supple quail]

ahhhhhh ok

[rare swallow]

MtAw has like a lot of mystery cults going on lol

[short quiver]

With the intent of directing seekers away from the Truth.
Give them somethng to do with their time, and make sure that anyone who does get to something real has earned it.

[grave gulch]

banes are cool

[supple quail]

what’s your bane

[grave gulch]

Bees

My friend wants an introduction to mage

Just mage he said

I think i'll throw awakening at him

Idk what i should show him first tho

Anyone got any good ideas as to how i should make this introduction?

[high hornet]

i bane you with bees

🐝 🐝 🐝
🐝 🐝

[mighty zephyr]

unfortunately I don't really have any Mage-Specific Media to throw at someone

[clear delta]

Maybe the 2E corebook fiction

[mighty zephyr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj7O8mrO_wY

I almost wanna say this

[clear delta]

What else. The guardians of the veil book fiction?

[spice abyss]

So the best intro to Mage that I know of is, unfortunately, actual occultism.

[orchid void]

Yeah but you can’t ask people to read that shit

It’s poisonous

And deeply stupid sometimes

[spice abyss]

So incredibly poisonous and deeply stupid, yes.

[orchid void]

The Invisibles is as good a start as anything I guess

It’s more Ascension, but it’s also a good intro to the American/Modern cultic milieu

[mighty zephyr]

John Constantine in those DCAU movies?

am I onto something there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiNMxbbSjEg

[clear delta]

2e basically goes: we had to tone down the Atlantis thing, and one reason was that occultist beliefs of Atlantis can be racist

[grave gulch]

The invisibles?

[chilly vault]

A comic by Grant Morrison

[grave gulch]

oh

[chilly vault]

It is known to be very magepilled ascensionmaxxing

[grave gulch]

Idk if that helps honestly

Since i wanted to give em something that talked about the lore

Such as what a sleeper is

[chilly vault]

Awakening?

[grave gulch]

Yeh

Since it feels easier to pick up than ascension

[chilly vault]

“The world is covered in a lie that magic doesn’t exist. Most people carry a bit of the Lie within themselves, which makes magic difficult to perform in their sight and prevents them from remembering it well. They are called Sleepers.”

[grave gulch]

I felt like showing them that one would be a better way to introduce them

[chilly vault]

(Awakening is also just better, you made the correct pick)

[clear delta]

Edition war time

Really, the most recent ascension book has issues, unfortunately.

[heady kestrel]

I feel like Awakening stuff is usually better to explain through lived experience metaphors than media examples

Like specifically “you are in a niche subculture” but the niche subculture is reality warping instead of a fandom

[grave gulch]

can a awakening mage also turn your head into corn?

they can right?

[heady kestrel]

Probably

[grave gulch]

similar control over reality?

[heady kestrel]

Seems like a Life thing

[grave gulch]

i didnt say anything since i dont know much myself they just asked me about mage

i mean i did say some things, but i dont know a whole lot

[clear delta]

Life 3 I guess

[chilly vault]

Which is achievable for a starting character FYI

The big thing I would say about Awakening is that thematically it’s as much about not using your incredible divine powers as it is about having them

Reckless use of power is hubris

And hubris leads bad places in Awakening

[heady kestrel]

Imagine for a moment that you are a big fan of this show. Its gotta a lot of messaging you really like and a fandom that made you feel like you belong. But there is a couple problems.

First of all everyone you talk to that hasn’t watched the show thinks your fucking insane, you send memes in the group chat and everyone is like “dude what are you talking about” but no one else actually wants to watch the show with you and sometimes people just tell you to shut the fuck up when you try to talk to them about it

As a lot of niche fandoms do you have a lot of drama and discourse about how the media should actually be treated

There’s also the semi-official discord server, which gets direct communication with the devs but the mod team is fucking awful and all the people who stay on it are pretty problematic

Also there is a weirder, even more niche part of the fandom that makes fucking disturbing fanfiction, like I’m talking some loud house level shit. Everyone hates them even the semi-official discord server

[heady kestrel]

I’m Geniunely kinda proud of this extended metaphor

[grave gulch]

im sending that to my friend

[clear delta]

In awakening, mages are bastards

[clear delta]

Oh, thought it was just my impression tgat loud house fics are weird

[high hornet]

I am doing my best

I fucked up I fucked up I fucked up I fucked up

[versed zodiac]

oof

you should use Inconnu

it is a good dice bot for VtM

[supple quail]

wuh oh

[high hornet]

I pumped a lot of blood into my strength to break a magically enchanted window, which promptly blew up in my face

[radiant marsh]

Late, but just saying. That's perfect.

[high hornet]

Turns out we were MEANT to get ambushed, but sheer dumb luck'd our way around the encounter and wound up finding an enslaved fae being who asked us to help free them. We learned a few things about what was going on here, we agreed to free them, they let us bypass even MORE security because they had a bunch of keys, we looked around a place and reminded the ST that one of our players could read enochian. They accidentally spoke a passcode and we were in the enemy treasury before we knew it. And we then spent most of the session discovering secrets and robbing the place blind.

First moment they knew we were even there is me setting off an alarm in the vault room, then smashing our way out with pur fisting power.

[supple quail]

many such cases

[grave gulch]

FRIENDS

I need moar ideas

You know the africa region in metal gear solid V?

trying to think of a similar area

As in what other places on the planet could feel similar

[high hornet]

Well you're going to find african regions will work, could go for spanish, though they're a bit less barren. Like what's the feel you're aiming for?

[mighty zephyr]

American West and the deserts in South America

[orchid void]

I was gonna agree that Southern Spain would also work

Since that’s where all the Spaghetti Westerns were shot

[radiant marsh]

That sort of tropical scrubland butting up against jungle?

But yeah, a good chunk of elsewhere in Africa, Northern Australia, India, Southern Brazil down into Argentina. For less tropical climate, there's Central Asia past the Caucasus (the 'Stans' in other words)

Basically just do a search for 'Tropical Savannah Biome' and look at the map

[grave gulch]

right right

i might actually pick africa since i want a region with a lot of natural resources that people are attempting to extract, that would piss off the werewolves pmcs acting as security and whatnot

[radiant marsh]

Is this W20?

[grave gulch]

i wanted to do w5

[versed zodiac]

Trolling

[mighty zephyr]

Werewolf/Mage vibe

[orchid void]

https://www.americanforests.org/article/the-trees-that-miss-the-mammoths/

The article is worth reading

[short quiver]

For real it is.

[grave gulch]

I read that just after having a nightmare about trees

Not the whole article mind yoi, just the image

[high hornet]

Is it impolite to ask the fae if they bleed? Asking for... me

[grave gulch]

shoot them

[rare swallow]

Yes
do it anyway

Iirc at least in the Changeling 20th book, it says changeling blood is basically akin to psychedelics to kindred.

Which actually leaves them vulnerable

[velvet sparrow]

Old, proper, dark ages fae? No idea. What we've got now? Yep!

[rare swallow]

Before the changeling way fae still had to find ways to get physical bodies to be able to interact with mortals, so they'd still have blood that's probably full of glamour
That's just me making assumptions though

[velvet sparrow]

Actually I think there's rules for drinking fae blood in DAV so they totally do

[clear delta]

In cofd. Hmm. Changelings bleed. Dunno about hobgoblins. True fae it depends on the form they're using

[radiant marsh]

True Fae bleed if they want to bleed.

That's pretty much how it works when you're a living archetype.

One MIGHT have something akin to blood. One might literally have ice water running through their veins. Another might not have anything even comparable because how do you get biological processes and tissues out of something whose entire existence is literally 'the shadow you see out of the corner of your eye'

[sudden shoal]

Good gosh I want to run or play in a Technocratic Union chronicle

Its a rich idea vein that I think could work really well if you genuinely tried to make them feel like the good guys trapped in an outmoded nightmare bureaucracy

Inherently distrusted assets of a god machine-- ah wait fuck I made Demon the Descent again

Also tree sap, ichor, and liquid shadows are common elements that become analogous to blood I think. Because shadows and woods are an easy reach of the fae.

Consider however the horror of shooting a True Fae in a kingdom of celebration and glee that bleeds confetti and fireworks

Or maybe brightly coloured cake frosting

True Fae to me at least are like Witches in Madoka. They have themes, their world operates on their rules, your own ability to enforce your will on their domain is by force or cunning, preferably a mix.

Pain is a base emotion. Easy enough to inflict on a creature of the fae if you're playing the part properly

[mighty zephyr]

Another analogies to blood is oil

[radiant marsh]

Pretty much. Exalted Fae also hit a lot of the same vibes.

Where they're essentially living narratives.

And the only reason they do anything is because it makes a good story

[strong bronze]

Hmm

[spice abyss]

Is this flirting?

[high hornet]

eh

[versed zodiac]

this is Arceuid

[orchid void]

that is fr arceuid

[strong bronze]

Indeed

[mighty zephyr]

If she has Protean

that means

https://tenor.com/view/neco-arc-neco-arc-fate-cat-gif-1748062773671823114

SHE'S CANON IN WOD

[grave gulch]

YES

[clear delta]

Man, arcueid looks so cute

[mighty zephyr]

Cannot decide

between Galestalker and Red Talon

for this werewolf game I'm in

[radiant marsh]

I only really have a handle on Pre-W5 lore (I have...Opinions about W5), but I think the big question is how much do you want to play a Lupus?

Because for Red Talons it's mandatory

[mighty zephyr]

Nope! Not anymore in W5.

[radiant marsh]

Oh fer...

[mighty zephyr]

It has more Lupus than other tribes but because Breeding Lore is all gone anyone can be anything

[radiant marsh]

I hate W5! I hate W5!
(We have you surrounded, come here and roll your rage dice)

ANYWAY

[mighty zephyr]

And because Lupus are now exceptionally more rare, most Red Talons end up human

[radiant marsh]

Are they still the 'Impergium good, kill all humans?' tribe?

[mighty zephyr]

Not really, but they think that humans deserve to be treated as any other species on the planet.

And if need be should be culled for the sake of the environment.

"All Garou know the stories of the Impergium, the
time when werewolves waged an open war against the
world of humankind. Detractors seek to frame the Red
Talons as revanchists and Impergium apologists with a
longing for “the good old days.” This characterization
oversimplifies their plight, though, and attributes malice
where the motive is actually survival. To the Red Talons,
Impergium may be the only option they have left."

[radiant marsh]

I apologize, I shouldn't be salty, it's just...wow all my lore knowledge just vaporized with the edition change.

[mighty zephyr]

I mean you can still use the old lore, it just takes some reframing.

[radiant marsh]

But yeah, what's the concept

[mighty zephyr]

Lupus-born that survived the Swedish wolf culls

I'm either going Ahroun or Theurge

And the Chronicle is going to take place in an Industrial Town in northern Sveden

[radiant marsh]

I'd say Red Talon

[mighty zephyr]

Yeah it's like

Red Talon is more immediate resonant with his persona plot

but Galestalker's vibes are just fucking immaculate

But yeah W5 Red Talons are now much more sympathetic despite what People Who Can't Read say

[radiant marsh]

No comment. Like I said, 'Opinions' 😛

[orchid void]

You’ll find me equally cheering W5 bc old Apoc was radioactive for me, lorewise

[supple quail]

i mean aren’t humans the like, most invasive species ever (at least in the last 20 million years)

[mighty zephyr]

I mean yes

That's sorta the thing (also making this point got me unironically called an eco-fascist which was very funny)

That the Red Talon viewpoint is that "Humans don't have any intrinsic worth vs other animals, because I'm not human."

[supple quail]

makes sense

from that standpoint isn’t disappearing isolated towns as a cull kind of the logical response?

[mighty zephyr]

Well depends

If the isolated town is actively developing and cutting down huge swathes of wilderness, Probably

But if they're taking care of the local deer population in healthy amounts, fishing regularly, etc etc, probably not.

[supple quail]

makes sense, i guess species that actively regulate the ecosystem in a healthy way should be encouraged

[mighty zephyr]

Which humanity actually did fufill for like

a while

it's only relatively recently (historically and ecologically) with industrialization that that changed

[clear delta]

So the vibe is "cares less about humans dead as collateral/cost"?

[mighty zephyr]

Yeah

"I'll kill a human as readily as I would a deer."

[high hornet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1166153511738802227/1243249795368489073/RDT_20240523_2010195361634526507764437.jpg?ex=6650ca19&is=664f7899&hm=4c004c0d6cbe3ca86cd0801b7042d515b3a83eb9bd961d9044a42982bc392ff3&=&format=webp&width=444&height=473

[radiant marsh]

This is accurate.

[clear delta]

Best vampire the masquerade ganes on steam?

Seems there's a sale

[radiant marsh]

Night Road

Well, I assume we're talking about the visual novel stuff and not Bloodlines. Because Bloodlines is Bloodlines and if you haven't played it, you should. 😛

[clear delta]

Bloodlines is still at regular price

[radiant marsh]

But yeah, Night Road

by far

[grave gulch]

If i push a werewolf down silver stars

Does it count as aggravated damage?

[versed zodiac]

probably not but it would be really funny

[clear delta]

I think pure from cofd take damage from contact with silver

[radiant marsh]

They take lethal, IIRC

Not Agg

[grave gulch]

cool

also i like writing down ideas for games i may never run

now i'm thinking of maybe making a monster for a hunt in hunter

that messes you up through infrasound

ya start going a lil cray cray with time...then it becomes more and more real....

victims start seeing shit and all that

[versed zodiac]

Goes hard

[grave gulch]

so im just brainstorming right now....trying to figure out ways to give them a hint that the sound isnt something you can actually hear

like...maybe folks pets become restless for no apparent reason?

[versed zodiac]

Dust/sand shaping into patterns due to oscillation

Jittering antennae and wires

Bats falling out of the sky

[grave gulch]

i'm writing that down writing that down!

[versed zodiac]

Obviously rats and other highly sensitive listeners would be driven off or start behaving irregularly

Oh, undisturbed water might start to ripple

[grave gulch]

oh that gives me another idea

i like to take stuff from folklore

it sort of reinforces the idea of "oh shit supernatural is real"

so i was thinking this creature could be some sort of siren

[versed zodiac]

Could do

Infrasound is a good, subtle effect for a monster to use because not only is it eerie, it has lots of seemingly uncorrelated effects on the environment by very slightly disturbing objects that don’t weigh much or that resonate with the sound

[grave gulch]

which gives a lot of subtle hints!

and if that doesnt help ....well...

they'll start seeing shit soon enough

thanks for the help lunatic i'm going to bed now

goodnight!

[versed zodiac]

G’night

[short quiver]

night

[sudden shoal]

I really hope the (probably) sequel/spiritual sequel to Heart of the Forest is good

For a 2 hour game to finish your first time through I liked it a lot it was just short

I haven't played Hungry Names yet but it's below Night Road and Coteries of New York atm.

[open roost]

ordered a copy of werewolf 5 off ebay. from what i understand this is the get of fenris

[sudden shoal]

Fenris are
somethin' in 5th

Somehow make the Black Spiral look more cohesive and sane as a belief system almost

Werewolves love their forever wars

[grave gulch]

[sudden shoal]

like the get were kind of low key consistently The Worst forever so I'm not really surprised or disappointed they're basically NPC antagonists now

I'm sure we'll get a book later that talks about the ones who aren't turbo bastards but probably a good move to not have them in focus at launch as bad as it is to portion off content from previous editions like that

[grave gulch]

yeah, they always felt kind of meh to me

"we hate everything "

[sudden shoal]

I had massive doubts about W5 but I kinda don't mind most of it in the end

It seems easy enough to port old lore over without many sticking points

[grave gulch]

to me they would work better if they were werewolves who went completely feral, like, can no longer go back to their human form and are forever stuck in the rage of their war forms

[sudden shoal]

i don't care about rebrands and retcons very much cause it's not like there's a single canon for WoD at all and shit in real life gets renames and reorganisations. its actually weirder to me to assume they'd be the same as in the 90s realistically

we didn't really need another vague group of perma-ragers tbh

[grave gulch]

ya mean the get? or what i said?

[sudden shoal]

black spiral are already more likely than not going to favour weird mutant crinos forms anyway

the get

[grave gulch]

right right

[sudden shoal]

i think the get need more flavour in W5 to be worthwhile and that is valid not to include in the core, but also because frankly the optics on get were awful and saying "the werewolves who uncomfortably mirror the nazis are pretty much bad guys now" is at least making the right statements to the playerbase

i would like to see them flesh out how the get ended up in that position in the W5 canon and how they're structured now

They can't just be wild murdermonsters cause that doesn't propagate, there must be some logical thinkers in there somewhere

White Howlers were the best of the best for conducting glorious wars and remaining above it all and their downfall is a result of hubris and their fate is an ironic parable. But they're also a phenomenon more than a group. Anyone can dance the Black Spiral ultimately.

They're a black hole slowly corrupting and eating the world they work off existing structure more than creating their own?

What are the get, a firework

My impression from W5 is they all fucked off and became berserkers

That cannot be true of all of them that isn't sustainable

[radiant marsh]

My issue is I really dislike Hauglosk as a concept. Which doesn't help that in a lot of the published material, like Book of Hungry Names or the adventures, they seem to be pushing the CoF as the primary antagonists rather than the Wyrm/BSDs. Which is definitely a choice.

Also this is purely opinion, but the overarching theme seems to be "The world is dying, but actually trying to do anything about it is bad and doomed to failure, and also here's a sidebar about how not all big corporations are bad, actually."

And then there was this whole thing about the writing process.

https://www.patreon.com/posts/86463964?utm_campaign=postshare_creator

[spice abyss]

I mean, Apocalypse is about how the Werewolves, in their infinite wisdom, made the apocalypse they were created to fight inevitable by killing everyone else who was trying to help them.

[radiant marsh]

I always took that as a consequence of pride.

[spice abyss]

The Garou already fucked up, and there's no walking their incredibly poor choice back.

[radiant marsh]

Yep. The Garou are their own worst enemy is a running theme.

[spice abyss]

It would have strained my belief if W5 had it possible to fix the world, because the consistent Apocalypse theme has been "Yeah, no, we're fucked"

That's why it's called Apocalypse.

[radiant marsh]

Yeah, but there's a difference between the approach of doing what you can anyway, even if you know you'll never live to see a good outcome, and deciding that while the Titanic might be rapidly sinking, by god those deck chairs are going to be perfect.

eh, maybe it's just nostalgia goggles

And I will admit that I absolutely loved the hell out of Forsaken

really the only WoD game I bounced hard off of was MtAw, and that was mostly because the first edition book was...Not exactly the most compelling thing.

(Also Beast, but nobody talks about Beast, for good reason)

[sudden shoal]

I love Forsaken, 2e is great

If you wanna play Werewolf sans Apocalypse, Forsaken is great

Not treating the Chrod line as a replacement but an alternate take has been the correct decision

2e learned this lesson real good

[chilly vault]

Forsaken is wonderful

It makes me believe in werewolves as a people

[mighty zephyr]

BoHN literally has the CoF as side-antagonists to the wyrm tho

[mighty zephyr]

Also I like Beast, it's fun.

[sudden shoal]

werewolf the apocalypse is the definitive answer to the question "would you still love me if i were a wyrm"

[mighty zephyr]

And also fun fact! The guy who was a sex-pest that everyone assumes wrote Beast didn't actually "write" Beast.

What he did write most of was Changeling 20th

[sudden shoal]

bad people are write good sometimes tbh

[mighty zephyr]

He was literally the most prolific freelancer at Onyx Path and wrote most of 20th edition himself.

[sudden shoal]

beast is bad because its a malformed concept with poor execution more than it being idk, ideologically tainted by a shithead

conversely 20th was standing on the shoulders of giants

[mighty zephyr]

I don't even think Beast is bad with the additional 2 books it got.

[sudden shoal]

im not really interested

[mighty zephyr]

Player's Guide and the Night Horrors book did a ton.

[sudden shoal]

deviant also failed to hook me

my understanding of where either went is pretty minimal

[mighty zephyr]

You're free to not be interested but I'm saying as someone who read and played all of these that they're Good.

[supple quail]

isn’t beast the one where you’re the next in the line of mythological monsters and get hunted down by ‘heroes’

[mighty zephyr]

Kinda

[sudden shoal]

beast sounded like it could be really good but it feels like it lost clarity during its many revisions

i'm not really sure how they might have fixed that with more content

night horrors is probably good anyway though those books always rule

[mighty zephyr]

Consistent tone and no gigantic revisions done right in the middle of production.

[sudden shoal]

the vampire night horrors book is really good

its full of wild shit that oozes story potential

i don't think i'd include vampiric tongue parasite outbreaks in masquerade but that's definitely something i would include in requiem

they're all good for hunter anyway and hunter's great despite a lot of book issues

[sacred viper]

Beast is a pretty mediocre execution of a good premise at best I'd say at someone who read every book of it

[sudden shoal]

reckoning 5 took a lot from vigil and its better for it

i did want beast to be closer to the pitch tbh

i didn't mind the perceived powerscaling issues at all, wod's never been powerscaled well

i dunno I hope I'm not coming off as dismissive, I don't really doubt the ability of the community on its own to find ways to make the core games more fun and more focused. they're toolbox games, you're meant to do as you will with the guidelines.

i'm sure more books provides more to work with and that's good

i'd argue requiem 1e was pretty bad until it got more support

[open roost]

yyyyyyeah i cannot abide by the shit paradox did. kinda why i went to ebay for my copy

[radiant marsh]

I like Deviant, but it's definitely a toolbox.

And I dearly wish it had more actual setting

[clear delta]

Most cofd stuff manages to interest me when I look up stuff about. Beast doesn't

It just doesn't feel like what I'd want out of roleplaying a nightmare monster

I really astral stuff. A closer look could maybe interest me, but getting beast stuff then readinh through it would be a waste if I confirm I don't like it

[mighty zephyr]

Deviants a good toolbox if nothing else

[clear delta]

Deviant is pretty. I wanna build characters from other works in it

[mighty zephyr]

Setting is hard to do for it given how much it's personalized

[sudden shoal]

deviant just seemed like "we wanted to do promethean again"

[clear delta]

What's each clade's thing again?
Mutants are valuable to the conspiracy, coactives mess with elements and can fuck with other splats

[sudden shoal]

i'm aware that's an unfair thing to say

[clear delta]

Such as sunlight against vampires

Or messing with essence

[orchid void]

It’s more Promethean that doesn’t require full philosophy degrees lmao

Promethean and Wraith are beautiful, beautiful games that are exceedingly hard to play well- the level of emotional beatings both promise you are just

Such hard sells

[spice abyss]

Deviant is a wonderfully simple revenge story

[sudden shoal]

Oh I love those books but I cannot imagine how to play them

I have campaign ideas but none feel likely to work out

[spice abyss]

Promethean is a story about figuring out how to be a person.

[sudden shoal]

I had a concept for a Silent Legion campaign and I mean. I don't need to tell you anything more, that concept alone is a hard sell with a lot of risks

[radiant marsh]

Chimerics are spliced DNA with animals or other things

[sudden shoal]

And that's even if I keep it tame

[radiant marsh]

Cephalists are Psychics

Invasives are cyborgs or tech or magic combined wiht biology

[clear delta]

Well yeah. But as I said, mutants have tgat extra detail of being valuable to conspiracies. So I was wondering about further stuff about the clades

[sudden shoal]

Yeah it needed subtlety. promethean was part of why i started reading alchemy stuff in earnest i do genuinely love it but it wasn't really a playable tabletop game

[clear delta]

And their place in the world

[sudden shoal]

I use the imagery of alchemy of the self a lot in my own feelings about myself and my self improvement because of promethean, it really speaks to me

[spice abyss]

Oh no, Promethean is playable. It's just emotionally draining.

[sudden shoal]

Yeah it has a lot of limitations in viability I guess

i even like mummy i just struggle to think of much you can do with it

dtd is niche but it has a lot you can do with it at least, i think

[heady kestrel]

Love demon the descent

[sudden shoal]

i cherish the limited edition i have

[orchid void]

Dtd is easy! You just have to cram spy fiction and Gnosticism into your mouth

I always like Burn Notice as a starting point for DtD

It’s a good little show about burned spies and it’s easy to adapt its push-pull style to the systems of Demon

[heady kestrel]

Supernatural and scfi thrillers also seem good

[orchid void]

Supernatural is better for Hunter, tbh, but Hunter is an easier sell than technognostic spy-thriller

[heady kestrel]

Out that s isn’t meant as a reference to Proper Noun supernatural

I meant

supernatural thrillers and scfi thrillers

[clear delta]

Promethean is kinda hard to think on, yeah.
You have to walk around, and each lineage is well defined on its quirks and mental hang-ups

[heady kestrel]

Because I think one of the funnier bits of demon is putting the poor bastards in a situation

[versed zodiac]

I am once again forcing you to watch Paranoia Agent

Idk which WoD game it’s most relevant to but it has useful Vibes for urban fantasy weirdness

[clear delta]

Astral, I'd say

[mighty zephyr]

Paranoia Agent is a mortals game

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/727099049957654579/1244020549299081317/8rm1fr.png?ex=665397eb&is=6652466b&hm=e643a78e2f72251910522623b172d4527a0c64533f6fb95b964f3e9993360e25&

[versed zodiac]

Calling out the entire thread I see

[mighty zephyr]

Upset that thus says dming but still funny because me

[heady kestrel]

Putting Demons in a Situation is so

Its a bit like putting a mage in a situation actually

[radiant marsh]

I need to read the book again. I seem to remember Chimerics basically being considered 'grunts'

You're still valuable, but you're not glamorous. You're basically a glorified attack dog.

[mighty zephyr]

Playing a Cyborg was so fucking fun

Invasive my beloved

[radiant marsh]

Also Mummy is fascinating

But I have no idea how I'd actually run it

[mighty zephyr]

Episodic anthology of period pieces: the game

[radiant marsh]

Especially with the 2e thing that Descents and Awakenings don't necessarily follow chronology

Like you can have a modern bit, go back into hibernation, and when you return from Duat it's the middle ages.

[clear delta]

Astral shit going on in town, and you don't understand shit

[heady kestrel]

Like you can just throw a demon or a mage into some random plot and they will have a really weird way of interfacing without

[radiant marsh]

Mages are Out of Context Problems

[sudden shoal]

There's a lot of potential in it, it's great, I just have zero ideas for an actual game

[heady kestrel]

Like “family buys a house, its haunted by a extremely powerful presence”

Put a mage or demon in there, it is now goofy and will lead to crazy shit

[mighty zephyr]

I think having any splat have to deal with a Mummy is very funny

[sudden shoal]

it's an interesting entity

it borrows from so many books in neat ways but I'm not sure its more than the sum of its parts at times

[radiant marsh]

Also I'm a sucker for like lost civilization adventure stuff

Especially when combined with supernatural weirdness

[orchid void]

Oh lmaooo

[orchid void]

I am beaming at @mighty zephyr head put us in a locked room mystery

A locked room mystery is the Most Situation I can think of for WoD

[heady kestrel]

Lmao yeah

That is awesome

[short quiver]

A couple hours late, but gonna chime in here and agree with this.

The arc line of W:tA is "When Will You Rage" getting mad at how fucked everything is has always been kind of core to it.
The feeling that everything is wrong and is getting worse is objectively true, and maybe you can't fix it but you can break some shit about it.
Which yeah, maybe that's a profoundly adolescent take, but... the oWoD was always profoundly adolescent that's always been part of its charm

[mighty zephyr]

to me W5 has the energy of "There's laundry to do and a genocide to stop"

Which is a great bit of poetry

It's about how yes the world is fucked up and changing for the worse but it's not OVER and thinking it is and trying to blow it all up isn't helping anyone

Choose to Rage vs When Will You Rage

[short quiver]

Heh, I can see that.
I do feel like the "imminent Armageddon" thing was a very 90s aspect of the setting

[radiant marsh]

All the gamelines had it

[mighty zephyr]

They did

[short quiver]

Yeah, although it was more central in some than in others.
I maintain that it was very 90s all the same.

The 2nd Ed Ratkin book actually had a whole sidebar on, basically, "I'm sure a lot of this is gonna look weird to anyone reading after 1/1/2000"

Not saying it's that aspect of the setting can't still work, to be clear
Just that it's very much part of the zeitgeist of the time it was written

[clear delta]

Does Apocalypse have bug shifters?

[short quiver]

Specifically spider shifters.

Instead of Rage they have Blood Points, like vampires.

[high hornet]

What would be a good athletics specialty?

It's my second one, first one is throwing

[clear delta]

Parkour?

[high hornet]

He's not very... parkour kinda guy

he's a rather large and chunky chef

[radiant marsh]

Ananasi are Werespiders

They can discorporate themselves into a swarm of spiders

[high hornet]

I have chosen the Athletics specialty "Breaking"

because of his habit

[short quiver]

I played a werespider the once and, I gotta say, there are remarkably few situations that "become several hundred tthousand spiders" can't resolve.

[radiant marsh]

It's a very handy 'get out of any situation' card

Trapped by a bad guy? Spiders.

Need to sneak by something? Spiders.

Need to escape a jail cell? Spiders.

Awkward social engagement? Spiders.

[open roost]

ok so im reading how the spirits work in w5 and can someone explain how this works. it sounds badass but do they mean "sometimes a wrecking ball comes to life" like i think they do

[clear delta]

Hmm mastigos investigator. But doesn't like taking information out of people's heads

[heady kestrel]

Space is also really nice for detectives

[mighty zephyr]

Sometimes spirits will possess a bulldozer

[clear delta]

Killdozer

[open roost]

ok radical thank you

i cannot wait to play this game

[clear delta]

Oooh, devastator feom transformers!

[clear delta]

Space is really nice, yeah.
Mind also gives you access to a lot of skills and knowledge. You can quickly google about jobs, places, materials.
Any summon can be used as sentries. Though spirit will reliably have some at the place already, that you can ask about the past

I think it's reasonable to use death to do that thing sin-eaters do, of using plasm to replay events that happened in a place

[short quiver]

Space really came into its own in Mage 2nd.

[mighty zephyr]

Vampire the Requiem

[radiant marsh]

VtR 2e in ten seconds

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/b3043nB7vtQ

[versed zodiac]

"I will not speak to whether or not Dracula Flow exists in the World of Darkness"

quotes from my session

[high hornet]

Wonderful

Having a discussion about our player 'luck' over the last few games

Not pictured: insane amounts of fucking up and somehow progressing forward despite everything

Just to check: for the Craft skill, can you use it for basic other things if you have dots in it? Or is it only ever used for the specialty you have in it?

[versed zodiac]

I wouldn't stop my players from using it for basics

ohhh my players are about to step into a bear trap

a wolf trap, actually

Garou are a great argument against rampant murderhoboism against the kine.

[high hornet]

oh dear oh dear

[versed zodiac]

they think he's a vampire
👍

[clear delta]

Turns out, out of control predators get taken out

[high hornet]

What classifies as murderhobo btw?

What are their charges, so to speak

[versed zodiac]

ran into a guy in a parking lot at night trying to dispose of a body in a nearby bog and went "let's just kill him lmao"

they were disposing of the body, to be clear

[short quiver]

To murderhobo, one must both murder and hobo.
Mostly it refers to violence as a first resort, and a lack of inclusion in any sort of legal or societal structure that might contextualize or restrict their violence.

[versed zodiac]

I call it murderhoboism when the players just violence+intimidation through situations that neither want nor need that kind of brute force problem solving

[high hornet]

Ah I see

Yeah kill all the witnesses will get you a visit from the naughty police

[crystal fern]

it's very weird to see murderhoboism manifest in a traditional D&D way in vampire, which to my mind is a game that's very quick to remind players that random murder puts your humanity score in jeopardy. it feels like being a murderhobo is a thing that marks a character's inevitable decline towards becoming a wight or dust

[grave gulch]

thin bloods can enjoy human food

i feel like playing a thin blood amongst full bloods could be fun in some ways

even if it's not recommended

[grave gulch]

imma use these lads in my werewolf game if i ever get to run it

[heady kestrel]

Cursed idea: Goetia half fleshed

What sins will they commit

[velvet sparrow]

To be wholly fair, killing the person who witnessed you disposing a body is like, the kind of murderhoboism that I can get behind in vampire

Is it a bad idea? Definitely. Will it end well for anyone involved? Absolutely not. But it's gonna be so much fun to follow through with

[short quiver]

Look, sometimes you do need to kill the people who notice that you're killing people.

[clear delta]

How doe you half flesh an ephemeral?

[heady kestrel]

No idea the more practical implications of it

By my main thought after giving it some time in the shower is people who feed on attention

Them False Idols

[clear delta]

A goetia's thing is spreading their meme, or fulfiling a goal. Right? They don't always have to center attention on them

Someone in the background, driving a leader forward, for example

[heady kestrel]

Right but often when you get in Half Fleshed, concepts narrow a lot more

Werewolves are a lot more narrow than spirits

Bound are a lot more narrow than ghosts

[clear delta]

Ooooh, that's what you meant

Thought you meant making them sorta organic. Was very confused

[heady kestrel]

Sorry

[clear delta]

Okay

Also, what do you mean by false idol?

[heady kestrel]

Ya know those conspiracy theories about Mr. Beast being the anti christ

Imagine that

People aren’t literally worshipping you, at least probably not

But you are a Idol, a false god in the noonsphere

[mighty zephyr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNmM4P9gKAQ

[heady kestrel]

And you evoke yourself in association with much older ideas

[clear delta]

So, the idea of "narrative" and perspective. How you and other people perceive and conceptualize you

[heady kestrel]

Yeah

Combined with ideas of Memes as New Gods

[clear delta]

What is their "role"?
Forsaken and sin-eaters have their duties

My own ideas when I had thought of astral splat were "remove interference in the astral" and "kick goetia back there, and close possible breaches."

[spice abyss]

This is Beast.

[heady kestrel]

Are beasts considered a form of half fleshed?
Like do they have a rank?

[spice abyss]

I mean, your Horror is A). From the Astral and B). Using your body to get to things it normally wouldn't.

And it took out the soul stuff you normally have and nestled in there instead.

[mighty zephyr]

And you can get Legendary Horror which gives your Horror Influence (Fear)

[heady kestrel]

Fair enough

[mighty zephyr]

And yes your Horror has Rank, which is your Lair stat

because you are your Horror and your Horror is you

[heady kestrel]

Yeah I was just checking because “has a rank” is typically how I see if something is considered half fleshed or something else weird

Though that is a messy metric

[clear delta]

Do Beasts have a purpose? Besides scaring people

[spice abyss]

So, one very interesting sub-aspect of Beasts is being able to tell when Bad Things happened in a location.

It's a vital part of how they get more chambers for their Lairs.

[mighty zephyr]

Yeah

[spice abyss]

There is some merit to the idea that Horrors are a punishing force.

Stories of monsters are usually born as cautionary tales, after all.

[mighty zephyr]

Yeah Beasts fill a sorta "needed" role of antagonist in the universe is the thought process.

Though they may just be naturally occuring nightmare creatures born from the Dark Mother

[spice abyss]

Either way, they feed off of fear and trauma, and can sniff that out. It's no more unnatural for them than for a spirit looking to encourage its influences and feeding off of that Essence.

[mighty zephyr]

Yeah

Beasts have a lot of "purposes" they can fufill.

[spice abyss]

It depends on how the person wants to be. The Horror has to eat, but you get to dictate when, how, and the amount.

[mighty zephyr]

Your purpose could be becoming a demigod!

Just go Ascendant babyyyyyyy

[heady kestrel]

Yeah that was kinda my best idea

Your just kinda…. Biggering

[mighty zephyr]

I need a bigger office

I need a bigger Lair.......

Unironically I specced all the flavor stuff for my Lair with my Beast so I could do a rendition of "Be My Guest"

and never got the chance

I had little bats that could sing :c

[short quiver]

awww

[mighty zephyr]

I also had Much Larger Bats that could deal Agg damage and that I was planning on feeding a guy to.

[short quiver]

less whimsical

[mighty zephyr]

Connie was like that.

I will say that Lair drops really are the ultimate flex in CofD

Someone went to see Connie and he walks out of a cave, the sky turns blood red, the sun melts, the ground begins to crack, shadows grow starker, and bats in infinite number begin to pour of the mouth of the cave.

And then he's just standing there like "Why are you at my house"

lair drops are just domain expansions

[supple quail]

what’s a goetia

[heady kestrel]

Creature from the astral plane

[clear delta]

From Cofd

You summon them with Mind magic

[supple quail]

i think i’d do a mr spider from TMA

[clear delta]

Goetia from a single person know they're goetia. They represent desires, emotions, virtues and vices, characters. A goetia outside the person will probably try to induce their desire or goal on anyone, but will mainly want to guide their original mind. However, they see the value in making the local community more amenable to what they represent.

Example: Patricidal urge is righteous murder. He'll talk at length to his host about his secret plans to kill his dad and get his sister safety and therapy. He'll try to get people to commit vigilante violence, so as to make it more acceptable.

After the individual Oneiros (their mind), you reach Temenos, the collective soul of humanity

It's divided in many realms, and most of the figures in it don't realize the nature of their existence, being immersed in their realms' "stories"

The Teenage Rebel is one archetype.

[sudden shoal]

https://youtu.be/0nfKGWkNMqw

Oh I'm so getting this

[high hornet]

Do you have any characters with call signs?

Like for if they're on a mission and don't want their name to be known

More nicknames or monikers I guess

[clear delta]

All demons in demon the descent do

Think changelings like to use fake identities too

[high hornet]

ah fair fair

do you have any those characters? What were their nom de guerre?

[high current]

I had a demon who went by Janus briefly, inspired by the goetic demon Bifrons. Also had a Mage NPC who went by Baron, because he was wealthy and owned property (he was the PCs landlord, and occasional employer or assistant)

Also a nMage PC who went by Asmodeus; was a Mastigos Guardian of the Veil so he wore a demonic mask and used a lot of Mind magic to mess with people

[midnight grotto]

For Changelings, at least in Lost, it's a mix of secrecy and genuinely wanting to create a new identify.

Also maybe it's just my experience but I feel like they're the most likely to do weird wordplay for their names.

[clear delta]

Yeah, by necessity, their society has to know how to make identities

Whether to hide, to start over

[open roost]

My big stupid book is here :)

[mighty zephyr]

Nice nice nice

[orchid void]

Shadow Names count?

Because her name isn’t really Lucy

And that’s before we get to the fact “Lucille Cairnwright” is as fake as “Catacomb Lucy”

[mighty zephyr]

All of my characters use fake names when out and about usually.

[high hornet]

I will have to count shadow names cause I don't really know what they are

and yeah our two haven't yet. I think we were meant to but because a) we're idiots and b) there was a large time skip where we forgot some things, we forgot to call each other those names

[mighty zephyr]

Shadow Names are Mage symbolic names

[clear delta]

In awakening, mages craft magical identities

These create a division between their lives, which makes their mundane loved ones harder to target, and suppresses the effects of their magical auras on the environment

[orchid void]

Mages use Shadow Names to keep themselves and their “regular” lives separate and safe from Sympathy other mages might use to their advantage- some (who buy a merit for it) develop the name into a fuller persona/magical tool

If you fulfill the symbolism of your name you get some bonuses to casting

[clear delta]

Also, the magical identity contributes to your long term nimbus, altering events in your life. Someone using the name Odin is at risk of losing an eye

[high hornet]

Neat

I'm thinking of enacting the pilot protocol for ours, and have it so we can't nickname ourselves but have to pick it for one another

Otherwise I might nickname myself Nom De Guerre

[orchid void]

noam dee gerry is a fine upstanding young kindred

[high hornet]

This is my Louisiana vampire that I asked you about ages ago btw

[orchid void]

oh i remember

[high hornet]

so he speaks french and is a chef and his fake name is Nom De Guerre which makes it like a double downed pun

And unfortunately my teammate loves it

[sudden shoal]

biting lip trying not to come up with a Mage character called Chef Boyardee and lean massively into the bit to mantle the name's powers

[orchid void]

I mean Chef Boyardee was awarded the Order of Lenin

You can have fun

[clear delta]

Perhaps a member of the kitchen alchemists

[sudden shoal]

He was an interesting guy

I just want him to run a chantry called Chez Boyardee

[open roost]

I think the answers yes but if im reading how damage/regeneration work correctly is this shit saying that throwing a werewolf into the grand canyon wouldnt fucking kill them?

[mighty zephyr]

In which edition?

[open roost]

5

[mighty zephyr]

Then yeah

throwing a werewolf off the ISS wouldn't even kill them presumably

[open roost]

I think this game rules

[velvet sparrow]

Damn they must have massively fucking buffed Werewolves then

[mighty zephyr]

Eh

yes and no

Werewolves can only be killed through complete bodily destruction, silver, or fire.

[open roost]

yeah from what im reading if the assailant knows what they're doing then like, odds are evened out pretty fairly

[mighty zephyr]

Even in BoHN you at one point can get decapitated by one of your packmates

[open roost]

...well maybe not that fairly but the options are opened up

[mighty zephyr]

who puts your head back on after you've "cooled off"

[velvet sparrow]

wow

[open roost]

man i'd be a shit werewolf i would just be abusing the fact that nothing can kill me at all times

[high hornet]

So I might be... fucking around with the fae courts in a bit. Uh... what would be a good ability to get so I don't immediately get my head pulled off?

[velvet sparrow]

WoD fae... I dunno, probably just treat them about the same as you'd treat walking into the house of a 1000 year old vampire

Actually, are you playing Masquerade or Requiem?

I think you're playing Masquerade, but don't remember why

[high hornet]

so uh,,, etiquette? Masquerade

I am indeed playing VtM

[velvet sparrow]

Yeah, etiquette's a good idea

More than that is kind of reliant on what fae court you're walking into

[high hornet]

I am not sure

We kinda freed a bunch of fae and took over an area and got told that this might have at least some court show up to prod us with a stick and judge us

[spice abyss]

OK, first big rule

Don't be boring.

Second rule: Don't be too interesting.

[high hornet]

Concerning

[timber talon]

Would werewolf burn up on reentry if thrown from the ISS thus killing it with fire

[spice abyss]

Yes

But everyone on the ISS is probably dead

[mighty zephyr]

depends on if the werewolf was able to regenerate the reentry damage

and then knocked unconcious by the impact on the ground

[crystal fern]

me, only vaguely understanding WoD metaphysics: isn't space part of the umbra, so the heat of reentry is metaphysically caused by being forcibly ejected through the gauntlet

[sacred viper]

I dont think thats right but I dont know enough Werewolf to disagree (also sounds sick regardless of canon)

[patent stirrup]

iwrc it's only out side of the lunar orbit that you enter the umbra, post moon landing. Like what happens when you get to the lower ends of the palgic zones

[high current]

space is space, the umbra is the umbra, you don't necessarily enter one by going through the other
the deep umbra is in outer space, but they're still distinct from each other iirc

[clear delta]

What are the immortalities mortals can get in cofd again? I remember the blood bathers, the immortality stealers, and the thing with turning into a sort of spiritual being

[mighty zephyr]

I forget the name but you essentially reimcarmate perpetually

[chilly vault]

I think that’s NWOD

In which werewolves are noticeably easier to kill

Although still quite powerful

[clear delta]

No, space isn't umbra in nwod

[heady kestrel]

Body Thieves, who do that shit the Orokin do in warframe or doctor octopus did in that one comic
Purified: if you kill them they just stay in the shadow, and if you destroy their soul it eventually puts itself back together, and then they can breach into the physical world again
People who do the Hawkman Hawkwoman thing where you just keep reincarnating with all your memories
“Patchwork people”

[clear delta]

Space has its spirits and the void leviathans, but flesh and shadow (umbra) are still distinct

[mighty zephyr]

Also Chronicles Werewolves are actually way harder to kill in WtF2

I literally had two of my pack survive terminal velocity in my cowboy werewolf game

[clear delta]

Reentry is just physics.
Helios, on the spirit side, does push you with his light.
Luna and her spirits protect the border between Earth and space

[mighty zephyr]

(Also CofD splats being "less powerful" is a myth perpetuated by Big WoDHead)

[heady kestrel]

@clear delta I missed some

People with ultrabenvolent parasitic worms with their brains that make their lives better
Patchwork people work by having a magical “pacemaker” or clockwork heart that makes it so that they can just keep replacing all their organs and limbs
Wardens are humans that get metaphysically connected to a location, becoming immortal and ultra Durable guardians with magical powers based on the location at the cost of never getting to leave
Guy who did the Koschei the deathless/dnd Lich thing where you just takeout your mortality and curl it up somewhere else

[clear delta]

In warform, they regenerate in one turn all non-aggravated damage
Can't chronicles werewolves stand in front of unshielded reactors?

Aggravated damage, requires silver or doing so much damage it overflows to aggravated

[mighty zephyr]

Yeah

[clear delta]

Warform woofs is when the resident evil music kicks in

[mighty zephyr]

There's a reason it's the Killing Form

[spice abyss]

Only thing that compares is a very hostile Lair Drop or Going Loud

Or a Promethean going "Fuck it, won't die"

[heady kestrel]

Demons are weird power level wise

They don’t have a lot of aggravated damage like mages and woofs do, but their social powers are pretty insane and they can deal…. So Much Lethal

Like any time I try to place them mentally I have trouble

[mighty zephyr]

Cyborgs in Deviant probably have the strongest healing ability as aprt of their base splat

Where they can just tic down one of their permutations by 1 and heal all the damage they've taken that scene

[spice abyss]

There was also 1e Masks

Which had a very simple ability: All attacks would have their damage total downgraded to 1

[mighty zephyr]

Mages can do that too with Fate

[clear delta]

Everything but environmental damage

[high hornet]

Also it's funny to play a vampire whose secret nature is masochist

I keep having to go "oh yeah that's a unique method of pain that I just experienced I get some willpower back"

going up against a fae called "the butcher" and it's like... oh okay I'm about to have a real neat day

[mighty zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/konosuba-darkness-bds-hmm-shy-gif-14064144

[high hornet]

I thought a secret masochist who presents as a perfectionist suited a "head chef" type

the kind of guy who will work for hours and hours getting burnt and cut because he needs to run his place perfectly felt... suitable

[radiant marsh]

Late, but in nWoD Space is spiritually dead

[clear delta]

It lacks essence

[radiant marsh]

Because the Hisil requires life and/or emotional resonance, and Space is pretty much empty apart from the Incarna-level spirits that represent concepts of celestial bodies.

[clear delta]

But void spirits eke out a living

Starved

[radiant marsh]

Except the Idigam

Which were stuck on the Moon

[clear delta]

Void leviathans are half-spirit

[radiant marsh]

Until the Apollo landing created sort of a metaphysical bridge between the Moon and Earth

[clear delta]

Shunned by the moon talks about the void spirits

[radiant marsh]

Need to read that again

[clear delta]

Void spirits get a raw deal. Starving, but earth, a place of plenty, is just too much for them.

[mighty zephyr]

Also the angels from other planets

And the invisible war the sun wages on everything dark

[orchid void]

Space (the Place) feels like it might be funny to abuse with Space (Arcana) but you'd probably need a bunch of Forces too,,,

[barren vortex]

space is the place

[clear delta]

Get some good sympathy to the other celestial bodies.

Huh, what would it take for awakening mages to hang out in space

[spice abyss]

Not dying from Paradox.

Yes, no sleepers.

[clear delta]

Air, radiation shielding

Ah, life is useful

[spice abyss]

But there's a lot of physics flipping off you have to do that will draw Abyssal attention.

[orchid void]

what if I just live in Sputnik huh

[mighty zephyr]

Which version of space

There's 3

Potentially 4

[mighty zephyr]

Personally like the idea that space junk has accrued so much that now there's ghosts up there

[high current]

There are Emanations of the various planets, according to Signs of Sorcery, but those are reached through irises in the material world/on earth, rather than by flying there in the Shadow

(the only one actually detailed is Mars, but its implied that there are ones for the other planets)

[mighty zephyr]

You can also walk to the Supernal versions of the planets

once

[high current]

during your mystery play, potentially

[mighty zephyr]

Nah it's next to the Aeons

[open roost]

Just remembered stolen moons what the hell

Like i knew there was body horror going in i didnt know it was gonna be that mean

[supple quail]

yeah need to use the domain expansion

[clear delta]

Stolen moons?

[clear delta]

Oh man. Anyone came up with emanation realms for othe planets?

[open roost]

this is from the quiz they have on their site. i... think theres a word for that

[clear delta]

Fursona!

[open roost]

exactly!

[open roost]

people who skin werewolves, wear that skin, and then perform a ritual to become a werewolf

it's mentioned pretty early in the book but i was somehow able to move on from that really quickly

[open roost]

writing up a simple self insert garou. can someone explain how gifts work at character creation? like how many do i get

nvm found it

[mighty zephyr]

Stolen Moons are the W5 term for Skinwalkers

And represent any "werewolf" that isn't a Garou

It can either be from skinning a garou, making a deal with the devil, drugs, etc etc etc

[velvet sparrow]

Oh they changed the name

Nice!

[radiant marsh]

The name changes are pretty much the only W5 change I agree with.

(Though they totally should have gone with the original 'Winter's Teeth' instead of 'Gale Stalkers')

[mighty zephyr]

Eh, I think both are good

[velvet sparrow]

The name changes have my 100% emphatic support, and actually go a long way in making me accept other changes

Like, they outweigh most, if not all minor change gripes I have

[open roost]

i think, as a newcomer, im having a lot of fun

[velvet sparrow]

That's good!!!

[mighty zephyr]

Most of my minor gripes tbh come with "I would like more information about this new paradigm"

[open roost]

end of the day im still biting oil executives heads off, like, am i not supposed to like this

[radiant marsh]

Yeah, I just think a lot of this could have been done or fixed without throwing the entire bathtub out with the bathwater

[mighty zephyr]

What changes are you not a fan of?

[radiant marsh]

Hauglosk, the loss of almost all of the cultural context of the tribes leaving a good chunk of them flavorless, the entire Get of Fenris going full-on stupid, the removal of Garou-born as a breed, Kinfolk not really being much of a thing anymore, the fact that the entire focus and theme of the game seems to have changed to "direct action bad" to the point where there's a sidebar about how now all big corporations are bad actually. The fact the Umbra is virtually nonexistent and you're not able to access it inherently anymore, the loss of Gnosis as a stat, leaving Rage as the only pool and meaning that 'losing the wolf' is practically inevitable rather than something that only happen in extremis, the Crinos changes...

tl;dr I'd probably have a lot more positive opinion of it if it were called something other than Werewolf: the Apocalypse

[mighty zephyr]

So to address a few of those:

• If removing the cultural context of the tribes left them flavorless, I think that's more damning about their original status than anything else. If there was nothing about Big or Little Brother other than they were the Native American tribes and removing them leaves them flavorless, then they were just stereotypes.
• I'm really sad to say but having read their stuff in Legacy I genuinely think is the most substantive the Get have ever been as the Cult. If you take away the Viking Stereotypes and the Racism, all you really get is "strength, intolerance, and belligerence", which is what the Cult are.
• The "direct action bad" thing is genuinely either projection or misinformation and I do not get how people get this. Yeah you aren't gonna personally save the world or destroy Pentex, and you can't stop the Apocalypse. Neither of these are changes from Legacy content. It still goes as far as a book from a major company can say that "if you ripped the CEO of BP apart it'd be good for the world." The only difference is now it addresses that you can't just solve every problem with violence. And it makes a distinction between exploitation and a Company Just Existing.
• Kinfolk were just bad I'm sorry. The designated "breeding stock" caste being removed is a net benefit as far as I'm concerned.
• I don't see how the Gnosis/Rage stat is some kinda inherently bad thing. It's Just Different.

[radiant marsh]

I'll agree to disagree on all those points.

[mighty zephyr]

The thing I get all the time is "They could've done the tribes tied to ethnic groups respectfully, I don't see why they changed it" yet no one yet has ever given me a way how.

[radiant marsh]

Well the big example of that is they actually hired Indigenous writers to go over the two Native American tribes

Only for the guy Paradox put in charge of the WoD franchise to basically step in, drop a bunch of racist stuff, suggest that it'd be easier to have 1 tribe and the other 'died in a massacre', and basically do everything he could to belittle them before cutting all their contributions.

[mighty zephyr]

Yes I am fully aware of what happened with JF Sambrano.

That doesn't actually do anything to answer my question though

[radiant marsh]

I did

You asked how they could do it respectfully

[mighty zephyr]

How do you do tying mechanics to ethnic groups respectfully

[radiant marsh]

Well the big example of that is they actually hired Indigenous writers to go over the two Native American tribes

The only mechanics tied to tribes were gift lists

[mighty zephyr]

That's still tying character concepts and mechanics to ethnicity

[radiant marsh]

Not to mention the origin point is not necessarily where the tribe ended up. The only one that was really still tied solidly to ethnicity was Younger Brother (Which, admittedly, did need a rewrite.) The rest were pretty cosmopolitan.

But saying that "The Black Furies originated in Greece, and have a distinctly Greek-inspired flavor to their culture and rituals" does not mean that all, or even a majority of Black Furies are Greek.

[mighty zephyr]

There was a small minority of tribes tied to their ethnicities so heavily that removing them caused a problem

And it's the Get being vikings, which also tied heavily into them being structurally a white supremacist tribe

and the Native American tribes

Everyone else was rather ethnicity agnostic, and I don't think anyone's actually upset that the Shadow Lords aren't Vaguely Eastern Euroepeon

But removing their cultural context is imo a net benefit because

1. WtA like all of OWoD was horribly Euro-Centric to a borderline nonsensical degree with the scale of what it was about.

[radiant marsh]

Technically it was America-centric.

Because written by a bunch of white guys in Georgia before the internet

[mighty zephyr]

That's not what I mean.

[radiant marsh]

I know the non-euro stuff is weird, as a whole

[mighty zephyr]

Why would there only be 3 tribes in all of the Americas but Europe has 10?

Why were the Mages in Europe more powerful politically than all of the Mages in Africa and the Americas combined?

[radiant marsh]

Why are there no native Werewolves in Africa

[mighty zephyr]

There are

[radiant marsh]

What the fuck is a Kuei-Jin

Etc. etc.

[mighty zephyr]

Yeah

[radiant marsh]

I thought the Garou's duties in Africa were mostly taken up by the Simba and Ajaba

[mighty zephyr]

No, there was Red Talons that bred with African Wild Dogs

[radiant marsh]

But yes, are you familiar with Hunter: the Parenting

[mighty zephyr]

[radiant marsh]

It cracked me up how their explanation/belief for the Kuei-Jin was that they were a LARP group based out of Los Angeles

Because that was the only explanation they could think up for the horrible trainwreck of disconnected cultural details.

[valid merlin]

(Voy is actually involved with the production of HtP, he's a writer for the project IIRC)

[mighty zephyr]

I'm a lead writer yes

[radiant marsh]

Oh nice

I hope you're taking Fatigue randomly deciding to explode as canon

[mighty zephyr]

Yeah that's why we made the video where he does that idk what people are on about with a murder

[sudden shoal]

are there any werewolves who would count as phantom thieves

i'm asking the important questions here

[sudden shoal]

this line will never not be funny to be tbh

truly what the fuck is a Kuei-Jin?

[orchid void]

orientalism

[clear delta]

That fucking book

How many times is killing babies mentioned as part of seeking enlightenment for kuei jin

[versed zodiac]

The fuck

[open roost]

ok so like, just double checking, the way rage works in wta5 is like, if you have 5 rage and are rolling 10 dice, you'd replace half of them with the rage die?

[versed zodiac]

If it’s like hunger dice in V5 then yes

[open roost]

ok cool

ordered a bunch of dice, wanted to make sure i got it right first

[short quiver]

It was the centerpiece of WoD's Year of the Lotus (1998)!

[short quiver]

It wasn't as extensive but you did also get the Beast Courts (Asian were-creatures, with werewolves kinda marginal), Asian Changelings (who were, like... small divine spirit-people who got power from granting prayers), and Demon Hunter X (which fukkin slapped)

Western monster hunters doing some X Files covert investigation stuff & then we get "or you could be a ninja cyborg"

[high hornet]

Discord messages with threatening auras

What could my ST have meant by this?

[mighty zephyr]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/idyJXbZOITM

Cofd ghosts

[candid shadow]

so question, do we know whats up with how the movie nosferatu got the name nosferatu right?

[high hornet]

I like to imagine that no one was paying much attention to hollywood and then when that shit came out they realised that the media was about to be a problem

[spice abyss]

Probably one of the earliest really scary masquerade breaches, ye

[spice abyss]

NGL, this is making me really want to do some Chronicles.

[mighty zephyr]

I think I'm gonna do up how my Theurge percieves how spirits exist in Apocalypse

Since it's so SLIGHTLY different and ill-explained in OWoD that I really have to get into it I feel like

[short quiver]

I was in a Vampire game way back when & made the argument that vampire popular media is actually integral to maintaining the Masquerade.

If someone starts to see vampire shit going down and goes "something weird is going on," they might start investigating, and they might tell people and have other people listen to them.
But if they see some vampire shit go down and start saying "oh my God, vampires are real!" they just sound crazy.

[mighty zephyr]

"To think of the spirits as 'individuals' is at both correct and wildly misleading. 'Spirits' as you know them are slivers of a greater whole, and their unknowable hierarchy does not come from individual choice nor oaths of loyalty, but to in-built instinct. It is better to think of them more akin to kingdoms and nations. Circles on a fractal venn diagram that includes everything in existence. An Incarnae is not an enigmatic individual being. It is a god. It is a domain and a world and a universe of thinking spirits all onto itself. And so Winter shares it's borders with North Wind who shares his with Famine who shares hers with Death. And so on and so on do these sentient kingdoms cascade up and down and out. Every creature and beast inside is both peasant and beast, and the 'individual' spirits we know are merely fragments of that world born out of our own."

[radiant marsh]

Looking it up

Looks like it's derived from the Romanian 'Nesuferitu'

'The Offensive/Insufferable One'

But just as many are saying it was made up for the movie

SO, it's possible that in the WoD-verse it just became an accepted Romanian word for Vampire that the filmmakers borrowed

[candid shadow]

That would make sense

[candid shadow]

The concept of movies was brand new so I’d believe it

[radiant marsh]

I imagine they LOVE Vampire media

Because it's both a great way to introduce disinformation, and also discredit anybody finding out the truth

[short quiver]

It definitely wasn't made up for the movie, van Helsing uses it in Dracula

the novel, I mean

[candid shadow]

Oh I competed missed that when I read Dracula

[short quiver]

Chapter 16
Friend Arthur, if you had met that kiss which you know of before poor Lucy die, or again, last night when you open your arms to her, you would in time, when you had died, have become nosferatu, as they call it in Eastern Europe, and would for all time make more of those Un-Deads that so have filled us with horror.

[short quiver]

Okay that is a pretty cool take, IMO

[orchid void]

points yozi

[mighty zephyr]

not wrong

Though

His point is that Spirits are so all-encompassing and broad that they're also the borderlands between themselves

Wind and Winter form together to make North Wind who is also technically an independent entity but is also both

[crystal fern]

I pitched a short chronicle that we never quite got to run that was based on this, the idea was that a journalist had got a load of sensitive information on a dead man's switch, so the coterie was tasked with figuring out the details of the leaked info, making a film following the plot to create plausible deniability, and then off the journo

it was a little contrived but a fun premise. Exactly the sort of way an unhinged Toreador sheriff would cover up a masquerade breach

[sudden shoal]

That's awesome Kat holy shit

[crystal fern]

"how the fuck are we supposed to film a movie at night?"
"you're not being paid to ask questions"
"I'm not being paid at all"
"Damn straight. This is so much easier than dealing with SAG-AFTRA"

[high hornet]

"Do we have to include the social commentary about some baron from the middle centuries? It confuses the plot-"
"I WILL HAVE MY REVENGE ON THAT CHEATING BASTARD AND NONE OF YOU CAN STOP ME"

[sudden shoal]

dw most film crew know better than to ask questions

[clear delta]

SAG-AFTRA?

[high hornet]

Screen Actors Guild-American Federation of Television and Radio Artists

[midnight grotto]

I was in a vampire one-shot set in Weimar Germany and everyone threw a fit about that movie

Though my Nos (who I basically played as like, an affable Lovecraft ghoul) was like "Hell yeah I want everyone to think the only way to kill me is to let me drain a beautiful woman."

[clear delta]

"Cute rats!"

[clear delta]

I keep replaying this

[spice abyss]

I wound up watching the entire musical.

[clear delta]

What's the border between amateur hunters and mortals getting involved in multiple supernatural incidents

[spice abyss]

Intent

[clear delta]

Ah, seeking it?

[spice abyss]

Yep. Hunters hunt

[clear delta]

Like "experience survivor returns in the sequel, happening upon the main characters and deciding to help", is a mortals character

[spice abyss]

Can be, yeah!

[clear delta]

But could be a hunter who isn't very proactive

Anyway, the stuff across the books should be good for equipping a mortal well even without hunter books.
There are the medium merits, the exorcist thing, camera obscura is cool but has drawbacks

[open roost]

So like... how does someone join the technocratic union

I know im willfully opening up a can of worms with that one

But it just hit me they gotta come from somewhere right?

[mighty zephyr]

They recruit mages with appropriate paradigms

[high current]

or sometimes inappropriate paradigms, who are then brainwashed into having appropriate paradigms