grave gulch Jan 24, 2024, 2:10 AM

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also i was thinking

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the Arcanum might be nore interesting as an antagonistic Organization since they do wanna keep all of the knowledge to themselves and even stealing stuff from other people

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including Hunters

queen heron Jan 24, 2024, 3:55 AM

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I already posted this on another mage server, but

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Silver Ladder

sacred viper Jan 24, 2024, 4:51 AM

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😌😌😌

rotund lynx Jan 24, 2024, 4:54 AM

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queen heron I already posted this on another mage server, but

is the server in question public?

follow-up question if yes: may I cop an invite

queen heron Jan 24, 2024, 5:16 AM

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sure, dm'd (its a great server)

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call that Mystery Cult Initiation dot 1

strong bronze Jan 24, 2024, 6:00 AM

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ghouled gorillas?

clear delta Jan 24, 2024, 10:20 AM

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Dm me plz

grave gulch Jan 24, 2024, 11:13 AM

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can i go there in a disguise to steal their secrets

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vicksyCult

patent talon Jan 25, 2024, 2:00 PM

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Genius the Transgression

grave gulch Jan 25, 2024, 4:06 PM

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found this in the alfabusa patreon

clear delta Jan 25, 2024, 4:15 PM

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Oh, guess you can make miranda lotto from d gray-man in hunter the vigil. Make her a church hunter, and give her the defense abd healing benedictions, flavoured as her clock's time powers.

clear delta Jan 25, 2024, 4:15 PM

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grave gulch found this in the alfabusa patreon

A wonderful gift.

grave gulch Jan 25, 2024, 4:15 PM

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i'll just have gman from half life

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and he's a wizard making players do shit he doesn't wanna do

clear delta Jan 25, 2024, 4:16 PM

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Who's gman?

grave gulch Jan 25, 2024, 4:17 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/gman-half-life-alyx-creepy-gif-16000932

Tenor

sacred viper Jan 25, 2024, 4:25 PM

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Mages to have to deal with MiB sometimes...

queen heron Jan 25, 2024, 5:47 PM

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Gman ochemata….

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or that thing Nimue is- an Ananke?

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or just some outside context whatever-the-fuck like the Quasmallim

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I actually had a gman style figure in a (short-lived) western mage chronicle

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more like fallouts mysterious stranger

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he wasnt doing too much supernatural nonsense, but he was always in the right place at the right time, always keeping tabs on the cabal

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||living spell created by an archmaster to keep things stable in the region, and a Bound, bound. Trying to rope the party as an asset against other wizards||

clear delta Jan 25, 2024, 5:57 PM

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I find it very funny the writers forgot arch-qashmallim cause Firestorms all the time around them. One just pops up to play a drum when the party is going to make a bad decision.

clear delta Jan 25, 2024, 5:58 PM

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queen heron ||living spell created by an archmaster to keep things stable in the region, and...

||What was the living spell made of? Time and fate? What was the bound like?||

queen heron Jan 25, 2024, 5:59 PM

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mhm - he was the same thing as Nimue

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that Dynamics spell thats a fate/time entity made physical

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I’ll need to find my notes on the bound

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Think I was using it to explain the regional mystery, where western portals fail

clear delta Jan 25, 2024, 6:01 PM

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Oh. Kinda want to see ananke equivalents for other paths. I know they don't have to be arcana pairs only, but the idea is cool and would make sense to be common.

patent talon Jan 25, 2024, 6:01 PM

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Was just about to wonder about that

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Life/Spirit living spell that exists both in the material and the shadow simultaneously

clear delta Jan 25, 2024, 6:03 PM

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A spirit life spell to manage the area and keep it in harmony, and adapt life to what's needed

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Yeah, was thinking of that combo too

queen heron Jan 25, 2024, 6:03 PM

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it’d be a walking ecosystem imo

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it would have a physical body, but also the world around it would become it

patent talon Jan 25, 2024, 6:04 PM

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Hell yes

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Space/Life, an ecosystem that exists physically in multiple places at once

queen heron Jan 25, 2024, 6:06 PM

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Mastigos, Mind/Space dynamics that is a connection of sympathies

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not even perceivable unless its connecting to you, appears in multiple ‘locations’ at once

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existing on the edge of sight and dreams

clear delta Jan 25, 2024, 6:07 PM

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A monster the locals know about and respect. Make sacrifices and offerings to. And it adapts the ecosystem/shadow to their needs, while making requests of them. It sets up rituals for the archmage.

queen heron Jan 25, 2024, 6:08 PM

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I need to dig up my book later

clear delta Jan 25, 2024, 6:08 PM

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Prime/forces. A messenger. Energizing the soul with prime, and the physical with forces

queen heron Jan 25, 2024, 6:08 PM

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but I think the fun part of Ananke is they dont even cast spells for some of their funkiness?

clear delta Jan 25, 2024, 6:09 PM

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Makes pronouncements spread by forces and carrying the certainty of prime

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Matter/death. Command legacies. Seek memories in ancient objects and restless dead, or supress and destroy them. Maintain monuments against the test of time.

queen heron Jan 25, 2024, 6:15 PM

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hmm

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death matter is the hardest one

clear delta Jan 25, 2024, 6:19 PM

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They could erase, preserve or fabricate history

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Create evidence and ghosts

queen heron Jan 25, 2024, 6:28 PM

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what I like about the Acanthus one is how hard it combines the arcana, and the path philosophy

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are they doing time effects, or fate effects?

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Yes

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doing small changes or pressure here or there, with maximum impact

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history is a good angle…

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for the Thyrsus ones Im thinking of CultSims thunderskin

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a ceaseless rhythm

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it doesnt mind control you, but youre already dancing its beat

clear delta Jan 25, 2024, 6:35 PM

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Transmutation is also another for moros. Annihilate and transform what is needed. Build underground safehouses. Wipe out life in a village, harvest the souls and transmute everything into resources.

clear delta Jan 25, 2024, 7:13 PM

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The thyrsus one is very cool for a werewolf plot. This weird creature outside their usual knowledge.
They could meet its territory, try to investigate the community for what's going on.
Maybe werewolves seeking territory end up there and need to either accept or beat it.

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It could seek to expand or move to a new area, moving near or into territory of a pack

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Or it noticed something that affects its territory, or an oncoming disaster

queen heron Jan 25, 2024, 9:22 PM

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To Mage Sight, the Ananke is clearly a spell, not a person, and her presence causes ripples and aftershocks in Time and Fate. Those an Ananke imparts her wisdom to come away bearing destinies they didn’t have before, their futures irrevocably changed. At the moment of her creation, every Ananke embodies an Imago of a desired timeline, assesses the future to determine how best to bring about the events her creator desires, and jumps forward in time to critical points, influencing, cajoling, and threatening anyone she has to until her mission is complete.```

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hmmm

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its not just their powers as living spells

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the Ananke are the desired future embodied

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so I think Spirit / Life ecosystem embodied works

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they don't have the ability to spellcast, they are a spellcast, and self-edit to mimic the effects of any lower level Fate / Time spell

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as a non-spellcasting effect they can just edit, grant, or remove destinies on a whim - or just dissappear from Time until their mission becomes relevant again

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and they prefer to use social pressure and manipulation

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Prime / Forces could play off archmaster attempts at replicating the Watchtowers

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a Mystery Play entity

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something that shepards people towards, and violently protects, the wonders of the world

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the burning bush and the guardian at the gate of eden

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maybe something that creates Aedes, or cultivates specific truths

clear delta Jan 25, 2024, 9:57 PM

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Could see a forces/prime being messenger of a specific ideal

clear delta Jan 25, 2024, 9:58 PM

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clear delta Makes pronouncements spread by forces and carrying the certainty of prime

Like, my idea here

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I imagine a group picking up their weary bodies as the forces and prime enhanced speech of the angel reaches them

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The commands of this authority granting them energy to keep going

queen heron Jan 25, 2024, 10:16 PM

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I guess the question is what do they want

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a Time / Fate living spell-being wants to shape the future to a specific outcome

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a Prime / Forces living spell-being wants to promote philosophies?

clear delta Jan 25, 2024, 11:09 PM

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Hmm. Promote the command of a belief or structure

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A mage worshipping the supernal god of justice creating a living spell to enact the writing of some great law she wants

grave gulch Jan 25, 2024, 11:13 PM

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go damn it

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one of the players picked haunted base as a negative perk for their base

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now i gotta read up on ghosts

clear delta Jan 25, 2024, 11:14 PM

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Old or new world?

grave gulch Jan 25, 2024, 11:16 PM

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old vicksyBork

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i don't need deep details i believe

mighty zephyr Jan 25, 2024, 11:16 PM

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grave gulch now i gotta read up on ghosts

Ghosts are ghosts I wouldn't trouble yourself unless it's important to the plot that you deal with all the splat-wise metaphyscs

velvet sparrow Jan 25, 2024, 11:17 PM

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Ghosts live in Ghost-land, in Ghost-society, and it is illegal for ghosts to interact with the land of the living

clear delta Jan 25, 2024, 11:23 PM

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Their form might reflect, besides their death, the truth of them?

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That is. You could have fun designing them

queen heron Jan 25, 2024, 11:26 PM

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clear delta Hmm. Promote the command of a belief or structure

I think its gotta lean into Primes truth angle

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it doesn't just convince people, it reveals

velvet sparrow Jan 25, 2024, 11:27 PM

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velvet sparrow Ghosts live in Ghost-land, in Ghost-society, and it is illegal for ghosts to int...

They do it anyways, mind, they just aren't supposed to and if they get caught they get made into ghost-metal

clear delta Jan 25, 2024, 11:31 PM

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queen heron it doesn't just convince people, it reveals

I mean, that's same thing. Prime forms aedes on positions of power. There are many Truths, and explaining them is revelation.
"People must have freedom and power over their bodies." Is a truth.

heady kestrel Jan 25, 2024, 11:31 PM

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Idea for a mage villan this convo game me the idea for

Mysterium dug up an ancient Atlantean weapon, like one of those things the Guardians and Arrow used back in the day to take down annoying non-atlantean sorcecer king guys. Its a living spell but its meant to kill people and that bastard is still active

clear delta Jan 25, 2024, 11:31 PM

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Ugh. Hard to get my ideas across

clear delta Jan 25, 2024, 11:32 PM

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heady kestrel Idea for a mage villan this convo game me the idea for Mysterium dug up an anci...

The soul cage actual play jad a murderous living spell guarding a temple

heady kestrel Jan 25, 2024, 11:33 PM

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oh?

clear delta Jan 25, 2024, 11:34 PM

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Yup. It tore apart people's patterns

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Weird magical mass attacking people

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Signs of sorcery also has its own take on temple guardians and defenses. But mostly faded from my memory

heady kestrel Jan 25, 2024, 11:35 PM

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I wanna run mage at some point, and I do plan to have some wild antagonist ideas

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Reaper/Banisher is on the list

clear delta Jan 25, 2024, 11:36 PM

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The spirit stuff looks so fun. Need to find a game for it

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Not necessarily mage

queen heron Jan 25, 2024, 11:37 PM

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clear delta Ugh. Hard to get my ideas across

no I can see what you mean

clear delta Jan 25, 2024, 11:39 PM

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Anarchist mage talking about the fundamental right of freedom. Green power mage who envisions a great future

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Thought anarchist archmage is so funny

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Since they're so unequal and must work through minions

grave gulch Jan 25, 2024, 11:51 PM

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one of the players wants to base their character's investigation stuff on asking ghosts about stuff vicksyBork

queen heron Jan 25, 2024, 11:51 PM

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"Archmasters would find a way to breathe unethically, if they could"

queen heron Jan 25, 2024, 11:51 PM

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grave gulch one of the players wants to base their character's investigation stuff on asking...

ooo

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thats neat

clear delta Jan 25, 2024, 11:55 PM

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That's very cool

grave gulch Jan 25, 2024, 11:55 PM

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that's why i also feel like i should read up a bit more on ghosts haha

clear delta Jan 25, 2024, 11:59 PM

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The thing about ghosts is they want to move on, but the common, enforced belief is that's impossible.
They're struggling with a dark side that wants to break them and tske over.
The land of the dead is being devoured by oblivion, which empowers the dark sides.

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So unlife sucks and hope is scarce

grave gulch Jan 26, 2024, 12:27 AM

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vicksyNoted

versed zodiac Jan 26, 2024, 4:06 AM

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is Blood Sorcery goated

velvet sparrow Jan 26, 2024, 4:07 AM

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Which edition

versed zodiac Jan 26, 2024, 4:07 AM

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5

velvet sparrow Jan 26, 2024, 4:08 AM

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Prior to V5 is wild, V5 is not that great from what I've heard, although I don't know if it's "not that great" compared to it's previously busted state, or not that great compared to other stuff in V5

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I've heard it's leaning the latter, but never played myself

crystal fern Jan 26, 2024, 10:53 AM

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Blood Sorcery in V5 is highly ST-dependent in many ways

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what it does is relatively specific by comparison to other disciplines, and depending on the ST you might need to put some work into getting rituals

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but basically it's a utility discipline, and it's never going to be as straightforward as wiping people's memories or punching through a brick wall

grave gulch Jan 26, 2024, 11:26 AM

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give me a fun example of what u can do with it Kat vicksySip

crystal fern Jan 26, 2024, 11:47 AM

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I've not played with it much personally (and in the chronicle I ran the "Tremere" was secretly a Tzimisce so her blood sorcery was pretty low) so I don't have too many stories from first hand experience. One of the big things it does is that there are tons of wards and pieces of protective magic of various kinds, because kindred are kindred (warding out creatures, protection from stakes, protection from the sun, etc). Also there are weirder things like creating a magical tracking device, temporarily letting someone fly, telepathy between sire and childe, knowing when someone's lying, speaking with the dead, that sort of thing.

grave gulch Jan 26, 2024, 12:19 PM

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kewl

clear delta Jan 26, 2024, 2:43 PM

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Are Les Mysteres the only hunters that regularly employ spirit powers?

grave gulch Jan 26, 2024, 3:07 PM

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is that from chronicles? vicksyAww

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i know the arcanum knows some magic stuff, but they don't seem to have any actual wizards

clear delta Jan 26, 2024, 3:16 PM

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Chronicles hunters

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Les Mysteres employ spirits, letting them ride their bodies for a time, but capable of keeping some control.

queen heron Jan 26, 2024, 3:17 PM

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I assume a huge portion of hunters know at least some magic tbh

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depends on how common occult equipment is in your setting

clear delta Jan 26, 2024, 3:19 PM

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Les mysteres kinda trust spirits a bit too much, and think forsaken werewolves are bad

queen heron Jan 26, 2024, 3:19 PM

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If you’ve got occult 4, theres probably some tricks you’ve picked up

spice abyss Jan 26, 2024, 3:19 PM

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Back in Vigil 1e, any group could learn a tactic to forcibly embody a spirit, no resistance

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Literally just drag it across the gauntlet into a fake body

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And you could 100% for real kill it, no respawning

clear delta Jan 26, 2024, 3:21 PM

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Lmao

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Oh, by spirit powers, I meant getting help from them.

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But this tactic is funny

spice abyss Jan 26, 2024, 3:23 PM

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You could use their impending death to bargain

clear delta Jan 26, 2024, 3:23 PM

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Oh, true. Good idea

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Going to do this to all spirits I want to use. No way this can go wrong

spice abyss Jan 26, 2024, 3:25 PM

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Banes and Bans are on the table too

grave gulch Jan 26, 2024, 3:25 PM

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since me players picked "haunted" vicksyBork as disadvantage for their base

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i'm now going out of my way to think of a side quest for the ghost

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also now i gotta think of all the ways the ghost can fuck up the base vicksyHeck

mighty zephyr Jan 26, 2024, 3:56 PM

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clear delta Les mysteres kinda trust spirits a bit too much, and think forsaken werewolves a...

Forsaken werewolves ARE bad

grave gulch Jan 26, 2024, 4:01 PM

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u mean bad as in they suck or bad as in bad news?

clear delta Jan 26, 2024, 4:10 PM

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Yeah, confused here. They don't necessarily care about humans much, but they're important to the shadow ecosystem

queen heron Jan 26, 2024, 4:31 PM

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Apoc werewolves are the worst

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forsaken... ehhh

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much better than the Pure, which is not a high bar

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the Pure are pretty well written though, they just suck lol

grave gulch Jan 26, 2024, 4:42 PM

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that's good honestly

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since they are supposed to be the bad guys vicksySip

queen heron Jan 26, 2024, 4:47 PM

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Luna's also on the chopping block

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He keeps the void spirits away

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but he also does some real squint stuff

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I can understand why the forsaken have their problems given the fact they're basically in a forever-war against godlings causing issues

grave gulch Jan 26, 2024, 5:13 PM

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vicksyBork i thought luna was father wolf's wife or somethin

clear delta Jan 26, 2024, 5:13 PM

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Father wolf. Mother wolf. Wolf

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All apply

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Luna, besides being a difficult to understand alien being, is a spirit of change

mighty zephyr Jan 26, 2024, 5:21 PM

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clear delta Yeah, confused here. They don't necessarily care about humans much, but they're ...

Oh yeah I know, but try telling a deer that the wolf is needed.

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Forsaken are still unrepentant murderers who instinctual consider humans and spirits prey animals

clear delta Jan 26, 2024, 5:21 PM

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True

grave gulch Jan 26, 2024, 5:24 PM

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clear delta Father wolf. Mother wolf. Wolf

vicksyNoted

queen heron Jan 26, 2024, 5:25 PM

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mighty zephyr Forsaken are still unrepentant murderers who instinctual consider humans and spi...

100% I wouldn't trust the Uratha, personally

grave gulch Jan 26, 2024, 5:25 PM

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A "werewolf is a werewolf at the end of the day" is what i got from all of this

queen heron Jan 26, 2024, 5:26 PM

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but someones gotta mantain the shadow, and they're set up

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All the moral judgements are gonna depend on specific werewolves and specific packs

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Werewolves are bad when they lead to bad outcomes for people, nothing more or less

queen heron Jan 26, 2024, 5:27 PM

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grave gulch <:vicksyBork:996566504311099533> i thought luna was father wolf's wife or somet...

The moons like a sort of guy, to me

grave gulch Jan 26, 2024, 5:28 PM

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vicksySip

queen heron Jan 26, 2024, 5:28 PM

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but yeah the largest spirits tend to be beyond strict human gendering

grave gulch Jan 26, 2024, 5:33 PM

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vicksyBork but yeah i had the idea cause the moon is more commonly represanted by a female figure in a lot of folklores

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not in japanese folklore tho

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vicksyAww which is interesting

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not trying to correct you by the way

mighty zephyr Jan 26, 2024, 5:33 PM

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Luna is a God and one of change and has no inherent gender

grave gulch Jan 26, 2024, 5:33 PM

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vicksyLUL i just think that's the reason why i thought of it that way

mighty zephyr Jan 26, 2024, 5:34 PM

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Same with Wolf

grave gulch Jan 26, 2024, 5:34 PM

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also voy give me your helmet vicksyGun

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i wanna look kewl

mighty zephyr Jan 26, 2024, 5:34 PM

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Nuh

grave gulch Jan 26, 2024, 5:34 PM

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how dare

mighty zephyr Jan 26, 2024, 5:36 PM

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Fun fact my pfp is made by the guy who made OFF

clear delta Jan 26, 2024, 5:36 PM

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Oooooh?

mighty zephyr Jan 26, 2024, 5:36 PM

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Yeeee

clear delta Jan 26, 2024, 5:36 PM

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Tbh, not sure what your pfp is

mighty zephyr Jan 26, 2024, 5:37 PM

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My bretonnian knight Aiden du Aullard of Aquataine

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https://voytekio.tumblr.com/post/157641443846/a-masterpost-of-my-bretonnian-knight-aiden-du

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I Don't know what to name this

A masterpost of my Bretonnian Knight, Aiden du Aulard of Aquataine, along with a guest appearance from his Hippogryph, Jean.

He goes around the Old World slaying baddies and adventuring, trying to prove himself a worthy knight to his household and getting into arguments with Imperials about the differences in their culture.

art done by @mo...

clear delta Jan 26, 2024, 5:38 PM

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Had the other day the idea of mages making a pact with Luna to help the shadow. Death thyrsus

grave gulch Jan 26, 2024, 5:38 PM

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oh

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i thought it was some very big red ogre with a tiny head vicksyLUL

mighty zephyr Jan 26, 2024, 5:39 PM

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He just has a big cloak

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The horns from his helmet are from a Bestigor he dueled

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He had affixed to his helmet

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He then would headbutt guys to death if he ever got disarmed

grave gulch Jan 26, 2024, 5:41 PM

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i like headbutts

spice abyss Jan 26, 2024, 6:01 PM

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mighty zephyr The horns from his helmet are from a Bestigor he dueled

Bah, not even stolen from a Bullgor

grave gulch Jan 26, 2024, 6:49 PM

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one of the things i really wanna do with my hunter game is expand the world of darkness to my friends who only really knew of vampire

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I don't wanna include EVERYTHING

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obviously cause I can't

velvet sparrow Jan 26, 2024, 6:51 PM

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One thing I'll say, is if you don't plan on making it a significant focus of your game,

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Don't go too deep into Mages

grave gulch Jan 26, 2024, 6:51 PM

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vicksyAww i was thinking of having 2 mages tops

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i want a Trumpet playing mage that doesn't do much vicksyBork

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he just plays his trumpet vicksyBork

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and maybe a G-man kind of mage that coerces the players into doing something they dont wanna do themselves

clear delta Jan 26, 2024, 6:55 PM

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Could just use some simplified version of mages

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Hunter cofd did a system for that. But there could be something more appropriate to owod.

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Could reflavour disciplines. Could use whatever rules there are for powerful spirits in owod, never looked it up.

velvet sparrow Jan 26, 2024, 6:58 PM

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Like, just kinda have them as "Mages exist and they all seem to do different things. Some of them do pagan ritual magic some of them are combat cyborgs"

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Don't try to get into the Why or the How of it

clear delta Jan 26, 2024, 6:59 PM

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Oh, you mean the lore

velvet sparrow Jan 26, 2024, 6:59 PM

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Yeah

clear delta Jan 26, 2024, 6:59 PM

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Yeah owod mage got crazy. Reality zones, consensus, shard realms

velvet sparrow Jan 26, 2024, 6:59 PM

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Also don't try to get into trying to represent Dynamic Magic

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Just give them some cool spells they can do, and have it be that

clear delta Jan 26, 2024, 7:01 PM

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Yeah, hunter the vigil just gives witches a list of their schools of magic with simple effects.

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Could also use rituals as plot devices

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The mage can do something for you but requires X materials, Y actions and Z time.

velvet sparrow Jan 26, 2024, 7:03 PM

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Honestly, feel free to just kinda play it loose with the other team's supernatural powers

queen heron Jan 26, 2024, 7:05 PM

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good advice for world of darkness in general

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werewolves have discipline-esques when in a vampire game, and may not even be Uratha

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get weird with it

clear delta Jan 26, 2024, 7:06 PM

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They're garou in owod

queen heron Jan 26, 2024, 7:08 PM

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have both

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galaxybrain

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just focus on the interactions that are happening with the players, over any deeplore or esoteric bs

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is my general advice

sacred viper Jan 26, 2024, 7:10 PM

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A dice pool and and a vague "this shit happens when they succeed" always works

mighty zephyr Jan 26, 2024, 7:13 PM

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spice abyss Bah, not even stolen from a Bullgor

He did duel a minotaurb

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He just didn't kill it with an exploding crit of 54 wounds

spice abyss Jan 26, 2024, 7:16 PM

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Fair

grave gulch Jan 26, 2024, 7:17 PM

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vicksyBork the book has a gun wizard they can fight

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unsure about the gun wizard tho

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he looks op as shit

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he always knows when someone recognizes him as well vicksyInspect

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so it's hard to ambush the dude vicksyDerp

clear delta Jan 26, 2024, 7:18 PM

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Make him weaker?

grave gulch Jan 26, 2024, 7:18 PM

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i wanted something a lil less scary for the first wizard they meet vicksyHappy

clear delta Jan 26, 2024, 7:19 PM

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Just give a guy a spell to redirect bullets and another to get extra damage

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Bam! Gun wizard

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Also a roll to notice people tailing him for long

grave gulch Jan 26, 2024, 7:20 PM

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vicksyInspect i'll give it a lil more thought

mighty zephyr Jan 26, 2024, 7:21 PM

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Aiden dueled 2 trolls
A chaos warrior
A bestigor
A minotaur
A chaos spawn
A manticore
And a giant

grave gulch Jan 26, 2024, 7:22 PM

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also, i know I don't need the entire ghost lore vicksyBork but how do they usually move on?

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I'm the manticore

velvet sparrow Jan 26, 2024, 7:26 PM

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grave gulch also, i know I don't need the entire ghost lore <:vicksyBork:996566504311099533>...

Intentionally vague and left to the Storyteller's discretion, I believe

grave gulch Jan 26, 2024, 7:26 PM

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so it can be whatever i want? vicksyAww

clear delta Jan 26, 2024, 7:26 PM

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Yeah. Transcendence is a hope, considered a myth.

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Ghosts seek it in spite of the hardships

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In the face of their inner darkness and inevitable entropy

grave gulch Jan 26, 2024, 8:05 PM

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OH

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i had an idea for a mage

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got this idea from a book i read long ago vicksyAww

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do the bullet reflecting thingy

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but

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there's this mechanic called "danger lvl"

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the higher the danger the more difficult some aspects of the hunt gets

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vicksyInspect and sometimes that means your prey knows more and more about ya

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vicksyHappy depending on how high the danger lvl gets with the mage, i'll give him a thing where if he knows your True name he can do some vodoo crap to you

orchid void Jan 26, 2024, 10:03 PM

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hi. this is my Guardian of the Veil.

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everyone look at lucy.

clear delta Jan 26, 2024, 10:09 PM

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Lure of the light

orchid void Jan 26, 2024, 10:09 PM

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Catacomb Lucy, a keeper of the Laybrinth.

midnight grotto Jan 26, 2024, 10:13 PM

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hommina hommina

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love the dripping candles, I believe all mages should be Weird

clear delta Jan 26, 2024, 10:14 PM

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True

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Must cosplay as your supernal being sona.

midnight grotto Jan 26, 2024, 10:15 PM

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to me, Psychonauts characters are A+ mage design

clear delta Jan 26, 2024, 10:16 PM

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Oh, yeah. Psychonauts are so good

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And they are eccentric researchers with superpowers

sacred viper Jan 26, 2024, 10:17 PM

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Average Mage party

grave gulch Jan 26, 2024, 10:20 PM

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no milkman

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vicksyAngy

clear delta Jan 26, 2024, 10:20 PM

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The asylum cabal

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Milkman belongs to it

sacred viper Jan 26, 2024, 10:22 PM

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Milkman's a Scelesti

orchid void Jan 26, 2024, 10:24 PM

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Lucy's gonna feed some sleeper to a minotaur and then see how many fall for mystery cults

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Love the weird fucked up magical cold war the Guardians have themselves in

sacred viper Jan 26, 2024, 10:24 PM

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I believe The Minotaur deserves a healthy diet

orchid void Jan 26, 2024, 10:25 PM

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please pay no attention to the daeva dressed in minoan cult garb and drooling he's definitely safe and not an asterios she's groomed.

sacred viper Jan 26, 2024, 10:36 PM

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I should read my Mage books someday

orchid void Jan 26, 2024, 10:39 PM

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mage the awakennninngg

clear delta Jan 26, 2024, 10:39 PM

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Summoners and astral realms are awesome

orchid void Jan 26, 2024, 10:40 PM

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Night Horrors: The Unbidden

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That’s a booook

clear delta Jan 26, 2024, 10:41 PM

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Didn't read that one

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Saw people talk a bit

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Like the scelestus priest who was abused by his mage dad and found comfort in an abyssal book

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His dad sorta cleaned up his act and wonders what to do. And just waits outside the church, worried and unsure.

orchid void Jan 26, 2024, 10:44 PM

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Yeaaahh

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There’s a whole cabal associated but I personally?

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The brain spiders and corrupt organ qigong

sacred viper Jan 26, 2024, 10:45 PM

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I really like the fake number that slowly draws entire communities to madness

clear delta Jan 26, 2024, 10:48 PM

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Damn, don't know those

clear delta Jan 26, 2024, 10:48 PM

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orchid void The brain spiders and corrupt organ qigong

Please infodump at me

mighty zephyr Jan 26, 2024, 10:51 PM

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(Do not read the Archmage book)

orchid void Jan 26, 2024, 10:54 PM

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clear delta Please infodump at me

Sinister Organ Qigong is an abyssal energy generated by abyssal yoga practice, presented to the public as a new kind of health workout

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Once enough has built up, one of the organs within a person becomes an egg

clear delta Jan 26, 2024, 10:56 PM

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mighty zephyr (Do not read the Archmage book)

Don't remember much. I know it depicts abyss as diabolical, which is incorrect

orchid void Jan 26, 2024, 10:56 PM

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It becomes alive, in an abyssal way, and hijacks the body, overproducing bile until the body begins to fail- eaten from the inside out by its own stomach acids and the new life trying to puppet the stolen flesh

versed zodiac Jan 26, 2024, 11:01 PM

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Evil yoga?

sacred viper Jan 26, 2024, 11:02 PM

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Evil yoga

orchid void Jan 26, 2024, 11:10 PM

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Evil yoga!!!

clear delta Jan 26, 2024, 11:12 PM

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sacred viper

Reminded of how the omage book of spirits keeps going on about modern ignorance of old ways

queen heron Jan 27, 2024, 2:01 AM

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orchid void mage the awakennninngg

getin

queen heron Jan 27, 2024, 2:01 AM

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mighty zephyr (Do not read the Archmage book)

the line dev also says this lmao

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it was written as a throwaway book

mighty zephyr Jan 27, 2024, 2:02 AM

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wait legit

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source plz

queen heron Jan 27, 2024, 2:03 AM

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mighty zephyr source plz

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this is the 2e line dev tbf

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whos I think different from the 1e team

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but he does have an idea of the writing process

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oh no Dave worked on IM

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huh

mighty zephyr Jan 27, 2024, 2:05 AM

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I feel rage and vindication swirling in me like the Yin-Yang Symbol

queen heron Jan 27, 2024, 2:05 AM

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yeah so thats from one of the main authors lmao

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the way specific fans treat archmages and the way the writers treat archmasters are not the same!

mighty zephyr Jan 27, 2024, 2:18 AM

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THEY GAVE MY GM THE GUN

spice abyss Jan 27, 2024, 2:28 AM

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Your GM had to load it with the bullets though.

sacred viper Jan 27, 2024, 7:24 AM

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queen heron

I actually probaly woke someone up with the infernal shriel of laughter when I saw this

clear delta Jan 27, 2024, 9:53 AM

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The way they wrote the abyss was so generically diabolical

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Guy finishes his ascension and the gulmoth laughs evilly

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Because he messed up reality a bit and erased his apprentice

grave gulch Jan 27, 2024, 9:56 AM

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grave gulch <:vicksyHappy:996566499630260345> depending on how high the danger lvl gets wit...

may i get an opinion on this? vicksyThink

mighty zephyr Jan 27, 2024, 11:06 AM

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I think that works great man

clear delta Jan 27, 2024, 11:07 AM

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Looks cool

grave gulch Jan 27, 2024, 11:14 AM

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thank you vicksyAww

clear delta Jan 27, 2024, 12:49 PM

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Oh, a version of uncrowned kings that uses spirit, death and matter. Focusing on improving an area, by purging bad resonance and helping ghosts move on.

hidden rock Jan 27, 2024, 12:59 PM

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At some point I'll have to describe the cabals in my Paris by Night. It lasted way too little for how much fun I had designing it >_>

sacred viper Jan 27, 2024, 1:39 PM

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Sometimes your best work is notes for a game that ended way too fast

queen heron Jan 27, 2024, 2:19 PM

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grave gulch may i get an opinion on this? <:vicksyThink:996566524225663086>

good way to portray witch-insight, just having them learn stuff about the hunters
Cool idea

grave gulch Jan 27, 2024, 2:30 PM

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vicksyNoted thank you for your insight vicksyHug

heady kestrel Jan 27, 2024, 2:37 PM

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How many mages do y’all think would be hanging out in the local branch of a Seer Ministry

Like I’m not sure what seer numbers look like on a smaller scale

grave gulch Jan 27, 2024, 3:05 PM

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wizards are nerds vicksyBork is a Seer Ministry a popular place for nerda?

heady kestrel Jan 27, 2024, 3:06 PM

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grave gulch wizards are nerds <:vicksyBork:996566504311099533> is a Seer Ministry a popular...

a Seer Ministery is where all the bastard wizards go
Not dark wizards, but bastard wizards

grave gulch Jan 27, 2024, 3:07 PM

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vicksySWA

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damn bastard wizards

sacred viper Jan 27, 2024, 3:08 PM

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heady kestrel How many mages do y’all think would be hanging out in the local branch of a Seer...

My instinct wants to say between 10-25

heady kestrel Jan 27, 2024, 3:09 PM

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That would make some level of sense, Fascist Book club with like 14 people in it

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make it like 8 guys from the main ministery and some other seers from other ministeries that were sent to reinforce because seers tend to specalize

queen heron Jan 27, 2024, 3:35 PM

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~~as many as you want to prep~~

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10-25 sounds good for a caucus sized group

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fits with the idea that seers are the size of either 1-2 orders

grave gulch Jan 27, 2024, 3:37 PM

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eat the wizards

sacred viper Jan 27, 2024, 3:37 PM

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queen heron ~~as many as you want to prep~~

The greatest trick for this is that you can copy-paste their sheet and give them one distinct character trait for most of them

grave gulch Jan 27, 2024, 3:37 PM

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gain their power

queen heron Jan 27, 2024, 3:38 PM

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Seers power might not be palatable lol

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those are the wizards that serve the fashy symbols

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I like to lean on non-mage members of orders as making up the bulk

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and doubly true for Seers / Exarchs

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Proximi, Sleepwalkers, Spirits / Vampires / Other Supernaturals - all of them can fit into the Iron Pyramid

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so long as they remember their place is at the bottom

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~~the Seers cope that their gods dont see them the same way~~

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sidenote - thats one of the things I do like about Archmasters as a story-beat

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You can draw a parallel between how they treat wizards and wizards treat sleepers

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that makes Mages deeply uncomfortable

velvet sparrow Jan 27, 2024, 3:45 PM

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But not uncomfortable enough to actually change how they treat Sleepers I imagine

queen heron Jan 27, 2024, 3:46 PM

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no they just ban Archmasters from holding office lmao

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going:

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sacred viper Jan 27, 2024, 3:50 PM

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Classic Mage Moment

midnight grotto Jan 27, 2024, 5:22 PM

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https://www.tumblr.com/vampiricegirl/740599622645514241/wake-up-babe-new-starlight-pastel-shop-shirt-just?source=share

Tumblr

EUTHANIZE ME

wake up babe new starlight pastel shop shirt just dropped!!!!

get it here!!!!!!

if you buy something and send me an ask with ur order number or name on the order i will include a free gift! (ill an…

velvet sparrow Jan 27, 2024, 5:29 PM

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midnight grotto https://www.tumblr.com/vampiricegirl/740599622645514241/wake-up-babe-new-starlig...

Based

grave gulch Jan 27, 2024, 7:14 PM

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midnight grotto https://www.tumblr.com/vampiricegirl/740599622645514241/wake-up-babe-new-starlig...

i'll make those in world and start selling them to kindred and Kaine alike

clear delta Jan 27, 2024, 8:24 PM

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Seers are the counter example to the idea realistic villains are ones you'd sympathize with

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They are sellouts who support atrocities

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Just think of, say, the followers of the Raptor

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Supporting shit like eugenics, racism, ableism, appealing to the idea of cruel social phenomena being "natural", and thus right abd unavoidable.

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Hmm. I imagine they get involved in other forms of control through the body? Like denying necessary medicine to poorer populations?

patent talon Jan 27, 2024, 9:57 PM

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I'd imagine so

sacred viper Jan 27, 2024, 10:00 PM

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Opression Through Deprivation is a classic

patent talon Jan 27, 2024, 10:03 PM

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The Psychopomp is an interesting one to me too, the fear of death and denying people an afterlife if they defied the Exarchs

clear delta Jan 27, 2024, 10:05 PM

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Think I saw somewhere that Psychopomp also rules over prisons, and so could be fear of punishments in general

patent talon Jan 27, 2024, 10:08 PM

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I feel like the Ruin could also fit that niche, in terms of prison-industrial complex. Your Fate is either to be behind bars or on your way to them, the only way to escape is death

clear delta Jan 27, 2024, 10:09 PM

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Yeah, the exarchs overlap a lot.
Like Pangloss, who follows Father but also fits Raptor, using a youtuber persona justifying tradition by claiming it's natural.

mighty zephyr Jan 27, 2024, 10:11 PM

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how would the Panopticon not be prisons

clear delta Jan 27, 2024, 10:12 PM

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Hmm? Panopticon is surveillance. Very much used in prisons

patent talon Jan 27, 2024, 10:12 PM

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It's a rich tapestry

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All the Exarchs holding hands and dancing around the Fallen world

mighty zephyr Jan 27, 2024, 10:14 PM

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I'm still sad I never got to fight a Seer

clear delta Jan 27, 2024, 10:15 PM

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patent talon All the Exarchs holding hands and dancing around the Fallen world

~~Is this yuri?~~

patent talon Jan 27, 2024, 10:15 PM

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clear delta ~~Is this yuri?~~

The platonic ideal of toxic yuri

clear delta Jan 27, 2024, 10:16 PM

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Imbued item: curses doll.
Can cast "create fetish". It's usually built with some swappable part, like the face, eyes, or batteries. Which are used as the fetishes. Thinking of a conjunctional matter effect to make it harder for the spirit's ban or bane to break it.

mighty zephyr Jan 27, 2024, 10:17 PM

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Not gonna lie

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Having watched JJK I would play a Thrysus as Geto

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just the idea of containing and absorbing as many spirits as possible

patent talon Jan 27, 2024, 10:18 PM

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I love this hubris of this, Voy

clear delta Jan 27, 2024, 10:18 PM

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Spiral, is that you?

patent talon Jan 27, 2024, 10:19 PM

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Fuck the ecosystem, we're playing Pokemon until we hit a shiny

clear delta Jan 27, 2024, 10:19 PM

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Also, thinking of some hubristic mage using a version of create fetish to actually cram a bunch of spirits into the same object

mighty zephyr Jan 27, 2024, 10:19 PM

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Spirit + Forces

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Maximum Output:

sacred viper Jan 27, 2024, 10:19 PM

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patent talon Fuck the ecosystem, we're playing Pokemon until we hit a shiny

Guy who is gonna have to fight 100 werewolfes

mighty zephyr Jan 27, 2024, 10:19 PM

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Uzumaki

clear delta Jan 27, 2024, 10:21 PM

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The junji ito manga?

clear delta Jan 27, 2024, 10:22 PM

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sacred viper Guy who is gonna have to fight 100 werewolfes

"I could take a 100 werewolves."
"In a fight?"

mighty zephyr Jan 27, 2024, 10:23 PM

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||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gHC4ThcDXc||

YouTube

OKUI Goku Black

Kenjaku's Maximum: Uzumaki (Jujutsu Kaisen Season 2 Episode 22 Clip)

Damn they did not need to go THIS hard for Uzumaki; it made Kenjaku hella menacing.
Credits to Toho Animation and MAPPA Studios for the anime.
Credits to Gege Akutami for the Jujutsu Kaisen manga.
#kenjaku #jujutsukaisen #shibuyaincident

▶ Play video

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JJK spoilers

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basically

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take a thousand spirits and condense them until they're a railgun

clear delta Jan 27, 2024, 10:23 PM

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Oh, I see!

grave gulch Jan 27, 2024, 10:43 PM

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i still want to execute my idea of having a supernatural be friendly to my players vicksyInspect

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and i think i mentioned it here but i wanted it to be a Salubri vamp vicksyAww

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does anyone think that it would be better to pick something else?

mighty zephyr Jan 27, 2024, 10:47 PM

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I don't think there's better but there's definitely worse so go for it

grave gulch Jan 27, 2024, 10:57 PM

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mighty zephyr I don't think there's better but there's definitely worse so go for it

like weresharks? vicksyLUL

mighty zephyr Jan 27, 2024, 10:58 PM

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I just realized Spirit Scream is actually just Uzuamki kinda

clear delta Jan 27, 2024, 10:59 PM

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Or
"Oh, this vampire is weird looking but so polite. They're gonna introduce me to their pets."

grave gulch Jan 27, 2024, 10:59 PM

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i know the one ur talking about vicksySip

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they freak me out

clear delta Jan 27, 2024, 11:01 PM

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mighty zephyr I just realized Spirit Scream is actually just Uzuamki kinda

Special damage spell that requires a bunch of high rank spirits.

mighty zephyr Jan 27, 2024, 11:05 PM

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How many Spirits do you think can fit in a Mage's soul

clear delta Jan 27, 2024, 11:06 PM

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Spirit dots? Or min(gnosis,5)

queen heron Jan 27, 2024, 11:06 PM

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mighty zephyr how would the Panopticon not be prisons

all the Exarchs intertwine tbh

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a devestating war spurned by nationalistic influences leads to massive resource deprivation - thats like

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at least 3 major ones

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The Death Exarch is the Prison one because its about damnation

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and 'deserved' suffering

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prisoners are condemned

clear delta Jan 27, 2024, 11:08 PM

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Yeah, the major ministries were having fun in cold war. But I bet the followers of the Nemesis did too

queen heron Jan 27, 2024, 11:09 PM

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mighty zephyr How many Spirits do you think can fit in a Mage's soul

lets find out!

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at least 40, by canon book example

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we might be able to do 60

clear delta Jan 27, 2024, 11:09 PM

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Spiral?

queen heron Jan 27, 2024, 11:09 PM

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yeah

mighty zephyr Jan 27, 2024, 11:09 PM

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Spiral?

clear delta Jan 27, 2024, 11:09 PM

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That could be a Rapt power

queen heron Jan 27, 2024, 11:10 PM

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Shes one of the Rapt in N&A

clear delta Jan 27, 2024, 11:10 PM

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mighty zephyr Spiral?

Rapt from nameless and accursed

queen heron Jan 27, 2024, 11:10 PM

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extremely powerful multi-master

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not quite a human anymore - some sort of gestalt spirit mage

mighty zephyr Jan 27, 2024, 11:10 PM

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Oh also Wax you wanna know the funniest thing about Uzumaki as a Spirit power

clear delta Jan 27, 2024, 11:10 PM

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Hmm?

mighty zephyr Jan 27, 2024, 11:10 PM

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Spiral c:

clear delta Jan 27, 2024, 11:11 PM

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Oh yeah. Junji ito's manga was all about spirals

mighty zephyr Jan 27, 2024, 11:11 PM

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Yeah that's what Uzumaki means

clear delta Jan 27, 2024, 11:11 PM

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Oh, I meant I know because of it, oops

mighty zephyr Jan 27, 2024, 11:12 PM

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Nah I getcha

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still though really funny coincidence

clear delta Jan 27, 2024, 11:13 PM

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It's very cool. Should give this attack to Spiral

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She whips it out in the boss fight

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Werewolves go into warform. But oops! All aggravated!

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Any mages without defenses up? Dead or pretty close

mighty zephyr Jan 27, 2024, 11:15 PM

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That's nice Time armor you got there

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what if I hit you with Influence (Agelessness) 4

clear delta Jan 27, 2024, 11:22 PM

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I love the effects Spiral has. Mortals, after suffering quiescence, remember the effects of her powers as tears opening in the world, and blood and flesh coming through.

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She sees the gauntlet as bad and wants to tear it down, and "ascend" humans by turning them into claimed

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Her tulpas erode and collapse the gauntlet

mighty zephyr Jan 27, 2024, 11:28 PM

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This was a Vampire character idea I had

clear delta Jan 27, 2024, 11:29 PM

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Oh, not just sight. They have vivid sensations of meat, muscle and bone oozing through. Horrifying

mighty zephyr Jan 27, 2024, 11:29 PM

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A Daeva who would come to believe that the "solution" to the Vampiric condition was to bind every Vampire to a blood spirit

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A perfect symbyosis

clear delta Jan 27, 2024, 11:31 PM

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Lmao. What a disaster in the making

mighty zephyr Jan 27, 2024, 11:32 PM

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He was going to find every Revanant he could and "cure" them

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in return for their service

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He had the Discipline that basically let him get all the benefits of a Claiming without any of the downsides

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and had in centuries past groomed a Blood Spirit named Morcufula into his eternal partner

clear delta Jan 27, 2024, 11:33 PM

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mighty zephyr He had the Discipline that basically let him get all the benefits of a Claiming ...

Lmao. Spiral paid for that with her name

mighty zephyr Jan 27, 2024, 11:34 PM

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Ah the Eater of Names

clear delta Jan 27, 2024, 11:34 PM

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Yup. An investigator lost his name, sympathies and identity going after it

patent talon Jan 27, 2024, 11:44 PM

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Speaking about Spiral made me realise I never read through all of Nameless and Accursed, and I noticed this change of pronouns in D'Eon's (non-binary seer who loves to impersonate) artifact description. At first I thought it was a typo, but could it be intentional to show D'Eon mimicking someone with the Pearl? chadthink

clear delta Jan 27, 2024, 11:45 PM

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"Was that a mistake?"
"No, it's just magic!"

mighty zephyr Jan 27, 2024, 11:46 PM

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man

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spirits are so fucking cool

clear delta Jan 27, 2024, 11:46 PM

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Yeah

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The shadow has such character

clear delta Jan 27, 2024, 11:56 PM

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clear delta She whips it out in the boss fight

First time she shoots it could be when the vocals kick in

grave gulch Jan 28, 2024, 2:15 AM

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i really need to add a wizard now that my friend added a character that was introduced to the supernatural by a wizard vicksySip

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good thing i already wanted to do that vicksyLUL

grave gulch Jan 28, 2024, 3:35 PM

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also vicksyAww in the vampire book it is read that some wizards like to collect the vamps vitae for experiments and stuff

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so the wizard will fit right in!

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specially with the Salubri friend who i hope they don't end up killing .w. i'm still thinking about the ways i could introduce them into the game

clear delta Jan 28, 2024, 3:41 PM

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Do like mythbreakers. Have the vampire forgive the party for attacking them, save the party from some monster, then take them for pizza

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Ina fucking ran over the friendly vampire before being saved from a bunch of bad rolls trying to run away from a true fae

grave gulch Jan 28, 2024, 3:43 PM

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idk how true fae work in wod but they usually scare me

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pizza vicksyHappy

queen heron Jan 28, 2024, 3:48 PM

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its all The Dreaming innit?

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idk if Old World specifically defines True / Not True

clear delta Jan 28, 2024, 3:48 PM

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Yeah, mythbreakers was a mix of wod and cofd

queen heron Jan 28, 2024, 3:49 PM

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ahhhhh

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those are fun

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oh is mythbreakers the vtuber hunter thing?

queen heron Jan 28, 2024, 3:50 PM

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grave gulch idk how true fae work in wod but they usually scare me

thats pretty much all you need to know tbh

clear delta Jan 28, 2024, 3:51 PM

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queen heron oh is mythbreakers the vtuber hunter thing?

Yes. Think they had to rush the end

queen heron Jan 28, 2024, 3:51 PM

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they're contracts made manifest, beings that swore themselves into existence

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they can do what changelings do in dreams, in real life

grave gulch Jan 28, 2024, 4:10 PM

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vicksyAww spooky

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can they be killed?

velvet sparrow Jan 28, 2024, 4:24 PM

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I don't believe true fae are a thing in WoD

clear delta Jan 28, 2024, 4:29 PM

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grave gulch can they be killed?

Really fucking hard

clear delta Jan 28, 2024, 4:29 PM

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velvet sparrow I don't believe true fae are a thing in WoD

Yeah, I just used that game as an example. There is no relation with owod changeling

queen heron Jan 28, 2024, 5:44 PM

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grave gulch can they be killed?

depends what you mean by "killed"

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their Avatars / Titles are ||~~mechanically not as cool as they should be~~|| just big changelings, really

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but the Title isnt the True Fae

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they are their stories

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which means their self is invested more in Arcadia

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enviroment, characters, particularly cool artifacts - all of those can be the True Fae

sacred viper Jan 28, 2024, 5:46 PM

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You can like kill them but they have 20 phases and they can run off

queen heron Jan 28, 2024, 5:46 PM

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and also

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you really dont want to fight them in Arcadia

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Ironside they are big Changelings

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Arcadia? They use the Rank 6+ rules

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which mostly means "lmao good fucking luck"

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They've got a blessing and a curse in their Oaths

sacred viper Jan 28, 2024, 5:47 PM

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Rank 6+ is the ST hates you territory

queen heron Jan 28, 2024, 5:47 PM

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they have to follow what they've sworn to do

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or act in a manner that fits the title

sacred viper Jan 28, 2024, 5:48 PM

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Also huh them being Enlarged Changelings is weird

queen heron Jan 28, 2024, 5:48 PM

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If the Duelist of Moonlit Nights swore to always respond to a fair challenge - they have to

sacred viper Jan 28, 2024, 5:48 PM

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I would have expected them to also use Spirit rules Ironside too

queen heron Jan 28, 2024, 5:49 PM

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and so True Fae, despite being incredibly varied

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often have patterns individually

queen heron Jan 28, 2024, 5:49 PM

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sacred viper I would have expected them to also use Spirit rules Ironside too

yeah I think its an area they dropped the ball a little

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expanded stuff later gave them Dreamshaping rules in the Hedge, and made contracts pack a little more punch

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but eh

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Influence would be a good way to represent the True Faes contracts with reality

heady kestrel Jan 28, 2024, 5:52 PM

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tbf they are REALLY big changelings

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like they have all the contracts of a certain regalia

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and omnipotence in whatever their role is

queen heron Jan 28, 2024, 5:55 PM

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I'm just biased towards freeform contract rules tbh

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I've seen a couple of people take a crack at it, but never a full systems rewrite

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I want to take a bunch of debt to ask The Sun for assistance in the now

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and have it screw me over down the line

clear delta Jan 28, 2024, 6:01 PM

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Well, they can have a bunch of pledges ready

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I imagine that, when they're running out of titles, they start whipping out the big favours they have ready

queen heron Jan 28, 2024, 6:06 PM

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and thats how I run it too

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more of their power soft

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but I wish it was more mechanically supported

grave gulch Jan 28, 2024, 7:38 PM

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idk if i'll use her vicksyNoted but there's a thin-blood working for the inquisition that's awesome, here name is Gabrielle Ellis

grave gulch Jan 28, 2024, 9:47 PM

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ANOTHER player picked haunted as a flaw for their base

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vicksySip

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this is going to be one fucked up ghost

clear delta Jan 28, 2024, 9:55 PM

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Wonder how powerful they get in owod

velvet sparrow Jan 28, 2024, 9:56 PM

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Ghosts or faeries?

clear delta Jan 28, 2024, 9:56 PM

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Ghosts

velvet sparrow Jan 28, 2024, 9:57 PM

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Hm

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Tag team @rare swallow for the Wraith question

rare swallow Jan 28, 2024, 9:59 PM

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I'll preface this by saying I only know 20th anniversary rules

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But Ferrymen are pretty freaking powerful

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Tho also a very passive force

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When it comes to stuff outside of the tempest

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But they were living people at some point, so they are powerful ghosts
They partake in a ritualistic removal of their Shadows that basically leaves them generating infinite pathos, however their shadow gains "physical" form and generate infinite angst

clear delta Jan 28, 2024, 10:04 PM

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What are the effects of removing part of your soul?

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The shadow

rare swallow Jan 28, 2024, 10:06 PM

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The biggest effect is that, it becomes its own thing and it's hellbent on destroying you

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And it's just as powerful as you are

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But your corpus also becomes stretched and strange to look at

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In compensation you are free of your shadow and you generate infinite pathos

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The Ritual of Severance is pretty much exclusive to the Ferrymen tho

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Besides that wraiths don't have anything fancy (at least as far as I know in 20th) like old wraiths having more than 5 dots in things

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Spectres can be really scary but mostly because of their dark Arcanoi and the hive mind

velvet sparrow Jan 28, 2024, 10:13 PM

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(Pathos is what Wraiths spend to do their magic powers)

rare swallow Jan 28, 2024, 10:13 PM

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And angst is it's Spectre/Shadow counterpart

velvet sparrow Jan 28, 2024, 10:14 PM

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And some of the Arcanoi are quite scary, like uh

rare swallow Jan 28, 2024, 10:15 PM

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Let me find the one™ I can recall is really scary

velvet sparrow Jan 28, 2024, 10:15 PM

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Puppetry is pretty spooky

rare swallow Jan 28, 2024, 10:17 PM

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The Outrage arcanos has a power that lets you rip a tear through the shroud

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At 5 dots

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Basically 5 dot abilities in Arcanoi are like elder disciplines for kindred more often than not

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Mnemosynis 5 lets you erase someone from people's memories

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Another lets you transform areas in the skinlands into Escher esque nightmare scapes

grave gulch Jan 28, 2024, 10:23 PM

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vicksySip

rare swallow Jan 28, 2024, 10:26 PM

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You can rewrite someone's fate, etc

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Lots of really powerful arts in the 5th level

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Basically, they can get almost as powerful as mages without worrying about paradox lol

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The issue is always the shadow and oblivion of course

clear delta Jan 28, 2024, 10:39 PM

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Huh. Thematically, outrage seems equivalent to the Rage in cofd, which has Breaking The World as a final power, which wrecks the area and inflicts a danage over time effect over it.
Breaching into the underworld belongs to the forbidden Void power, which can also summon a hungry black hole that can go out of your control

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Interesting to see the parallels

grave gulch Jan 28, 2024, 10:39 PM

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ooohhh... vicksyAww should i make the ghost on my game become stronger the longer they keep it around?

rare swallow Jan 28, 2024, 10:40 PM

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Eeh I'm ngl making wraith NPCs is a pain for other systems

grave gulch Jan 28, 2024, 10:40 PM

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i didn't mean to use the books npcs vicksyLUL was thinking more of it's idea

rare swallow Jan 28, 2024, 10:41 PM

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I've done it for a game my wife is running and you have to keep a decent amount of things in mind
Because wraiths won't interact with the living (or unliving across the shroud) unless they are after something and that can either be dealing with Passions and Fetters or illegal stuff that'll eventually lead them to being shadoweaten (spectres)

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Spectres can be decent antagonists tho

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They have powers to corrupt and manipulate living beings

grave gulch Jan 28, 2024, 10:42 PM

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vicksyNoted ooohh you know of any examples of that happening?

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like could it like corrupt the rats? vicksyAww

rare swallow Jan 28, 2024, 10:43 PM

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Bigger scale, like influencing world leaders

grave gulch Jan 28, 2024, 10:43 PM

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interesting vicksyThink

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i'm trying to figure out a ghost that will be haunting the PC's base, since 2 of them picked a flaw that determines their base is haunted by something vicksyAww

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since they share the base .w. it's a stronger ghost...

rare swallow Jan 28, 2024, 10:44 PM

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Aah I see

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Well I could help since that's happening to a PC in a game im in
We decided the wraith is actually chill tho, but their shadow is a pos and causes issues

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How's the flaw written? I imagine it's a flaw

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You could make the wraith benign but the vampires' base is their haunt also and because of that the place has echoes that are problematic

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There's definitely lots of ways to go about it

grave gulch Jan 28, 2024, 10:47 PM

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it's indeed a flaw! let me go get it for ya

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"your base is home to a supernatural phenomena , that you have no control over or doesn't understand" it says it could be a ghost or something else like an ancient curse, the risk is both in the thing itself and in somebody else who could understand the phenomena and use it in their favor.

rare swallow Jan 28, 2024, 10:50 PM

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Oh let me print screen and send you something then

grave gulch Jan 28, 2024, 10:51 PM

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they'll also be loosing a dice for each dot they got in this flaw in tasks where the ghost is attempting to hinder them vicksyBork

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 1:04 AM

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Man

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I need to find that write up about Dire Wolf

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and why he's so fucked up

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 1:11 AM

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he's a bad wolf? vicksyAww

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 1:12 AM

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He's one of the Pure Totems

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The oldest of the Firstborn and the most powerful (allegedly)

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https://i.imgur.com/PZ0c7MD.png

Imgur

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I fucking love Chris Allen's writing

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 1:33 AM

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vicksySip

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would a Brujah try to participate in a regular human underground fight club?

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 1:34 AM

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Probably

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 1:35 AM

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right vicksyLUL one of the players way to make money is through that, i feel like that could be one of the consequences if they allow the danger lvl to increase too much

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 1:35 AM

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That's definitely the one vampire clan you don't wanna get into a bareknuckle fist fight with

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 1:35 AM

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the vamp finds out that he fights there and shows up for a match

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for sure!

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like, bad things are supposed to happen at danger lvl 5 and stuff vicksySip

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so i thought that would be a fun twist vicksyLUL

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 1:37 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/dracula-kitten-punching-trevor-belmont-castlevania-gif-16594958

Tenor

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Trying to fist fight a Brujah

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 1:38 AM

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lmao

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i'll save that for reference

rare swallow Jan 29, 2024, 1:54 AM

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I mean tbh that's more like trying to first fight a ventrue

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Lol

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Now I want to rewatch Castlevania

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 1:56 AM

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Brujah also have fortitude

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They just have physical disciplines

rare swallow Jan 29, 2024, 1:57 AM

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Uh they have Potence, Celerity and Presence iirc

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It's not just all 3
That's just the Noob Caitiff clan 😆

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For all the players that make a Caitiff and give them all 3 physical disciplines

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 1:59 AM

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Oh huh

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I thought I read they had all 3 physicals

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 2:00 AM

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rare swallow For all the players that make a Caitiff and give them all 3 physical disciplines

(Don't do that)

rare swallow Jan 29, 2024, 2:00 AM

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mighty zephyr I thought I read they had all 3 physicals

Nah

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 2:00 AM

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(For the love of Caine don't do that)

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 2:00 AM

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Do it

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it's so funny

rare swallow Jan 29, 2024, 2:00 AM

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True Brujah have Temporis instead of Celerity and they're pretty cool

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 2:00 AM

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It's both really boring, and not even that good

rare swallow Jan 29, 2024, 2:01 AM

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If you're going thay route why make boring vampire, make a Risen

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Risen get all 3 physical disciplines

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 2:01 AM

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Limits your character heavily into something the game isn't even focused on

rare swallow Jan 29, 2024, 2:01 AM

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But yeah VtM combat is boring

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 2:02 AM

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Super strength is fun beyond combat once you get creative

rare swallow Jan 29, 2024, 2:02 AM

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Oh yeah definitely

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 2:02 AM

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I don't find it boring, but it is quite slow and definitely not something you should be doing a whole lot

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 2:02 AM

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My Deviant dealt with a locked door by just walking through the wall next to it

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 2:02 AM

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Oh yeah, Potence can be a great one

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 2:02 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/baki-baki-hanma-netflix-ogre-anime-gif-17317987594888449408

Tenor

rare swallow Jan 29, 2024, 2:02 AM

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That's uh something

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 2:03 AM

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Baki be like that.

rare swallow Jan 29, 2024, 2:03 AM

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The most broken physical discipline is Celerity

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 2:03 AM

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that's him walking through reinforced bulletproof glass

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One thing i really wanna do with my Eventual Malkavian Immune to the Bloodbond is to just start picking up whatever discipline I want

rare swallow Jan 29, 2024, 2:04 AM

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The second most broken is gargoyle flight, because I consider it to be a physical discipline

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You van just grab a lick and fly all the way up and drop them to torpor

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Rn I'm having fun with my green path blood sorcerer

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 2:05 AM

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Thaumaturgy 😌

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I'm having an enjoyable time with my Fleshcrafter

rare swallow Jan 29, 2024, 2:05 AM

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Has a cottage full of plants and the plants are moving around and doing daily chores like cleaning

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It's a fun fantasy

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 2:05 AM

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Horrid Form actually kinda slaps

rare swallow Jan 29, 2024, 2:06 AM

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Zulo form zulo form zulo form!

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It's really cool

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 2:06 AM

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There is one desire I have for VtM

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 2:06 AM

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Oh?

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 2:07 AM

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I wanna use a Claw Hammer

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHfb1_drtrI

YouTube

Unfettered73

Dorohedoro - Shin - Hammer Time

▶ Play video

rare swallow Jan 29, 2024, 2:07 AM

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That looks like it'll be violent

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So I'll skip

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 2:07 AM

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It is indeed very violent

rare swallow Jan 29, 2024, 2:08 AM

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But yeah I'm having a fun time with my green path Thaumaturge and their weird ass coterie

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 2:08 AM

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it is people getting killed with a claw hammer

rare swallow Jan 29, 2024, 2:09 AM

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Imagine for a second a Nosferatu that really wasn't meant to be a Nosferatu
Who just chills and wants to be a mage again since their avatar got shattered
Learns Thaumaturgy and green path and becomes friends with a Maeghar and a Lhiannan
It's extremely unlikely but they all want to protect one area of the island so

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Next character goal is figure out how to make it possible for them to learn ogham

little light Jan 29, 2024, 2:50 AM

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mighty zephyr https://tenor.com/view/baki-baki-hanma-netflix-ogre-anime-gif-173179875948884494...

I love the bodyhorror of baki like "Yeah just lift weights and you can become a eldritch muscle creature"

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 2:56 AM

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Yujiro is your average Tzimice

clear delta Jan 29, 2024, 8:04 AM

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rare swallow The second most broken is gargoyle flight, because I consider it to be a physica...

Gargoyles are so cool

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 11:46 AM

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you say gargoyle fight and i just think of the vampire equivalent of illegal cockfight

rare swallow Jan 29, 2024, 1:37 PM

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Flight

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They have wings, so they have the discipline flight

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 1:37 PM

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vicksyEmpty

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das me

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 3:03 PM

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https://vxtwitter.com/nali_draws/status/1751745622229635501

vxTwitter / fixvx

Twitter

Danielle | Nali (@nali_draws)

If you don't stop and take a picture, no one will believe you.

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clear delta Jan 29, 2024, 3:10 PM

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So, was discussing geists. You can have the ones who don't seek bound have resisted the amnesia a bit. Which is great. You can have a feral super ghost haunting an area due to whatever unfinished business.

clear delta Jan 29, 2024, 4:12 PM

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Idea. Key of metal, crowned key of bars and chains.
Governs deaths by authority, rules or convention, or deliberate ignorance and lies that limit a person.
Doom: the beaten down tilt?

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 4:19 PM

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how trigger happy are wod werewolves? i see that they also hang out at city parks and stuff vicksyConcern that doesn't sound good for your average joe

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 4:20 PM

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old world werewolves are VERY trigger happy, especially pre-W5

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They are creatures of Rage and solve most problems through violence

spice abyss Jan 29, 2024, 4:20 PM

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Garou are generally murder-happy

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 4:20 PM

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vicksySpin

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how do they manage to stay hidden

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 4:22 PM

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Delerium

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And killing all witnesses

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 4:22 PM

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By killing everyone who sees them

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And Delerium, yeah

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 4:22 PM

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jinx

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owe me a COKE

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 4:22 PM

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oh yeah forgot about that lil trick

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 4:23 PM

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Delerium is the uh, supernatural trauma from that genocide they did on humanity a long time ago that makes people forget whenever they see a werewolf in their warform

queen heron Jan 29, 2024, 4:23 PM

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grave gulch oh yeah forgot about that lil trick

I know you probably mean Delerium but its way funnier to assume you mean murder

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 4:23 PM

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(Fuck werewolves, honestly.)

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(Not like that you dolt)

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 4:23 PM

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the vampire "fall of london book" states that they like to hang out at some parks within the city vicksyLUL

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that sounds super bad

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 4:23 PM

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Eh

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 4:24 PM

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It's only bad if you fuck with them

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 4:24 PM

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If they're hanging in a city park they're probably one of the chiller varieties of werewolf

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 4:24 PM

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ok so they wont murder me if i just go for stroll around the park

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 4:24 PM

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(There is no chill variety of werewolf)

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Only if you're possessed by a Wyrm spirit or desecrating stuff or littering too much

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 4:24 PM

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mighty zephyr It's only bad if you fuck with them

like bees vicksyBork

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 4:24 PM

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(Relatively speaking, there are chill-er werewolves)

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(Look me in the eye and tell me the Glass Walkers are not more chill than the Red Talons)

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 4:26 PM

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There are not "more chill" werewolves there are "more homicidal" werewolves

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Red Talons georg who lives in a cave and eats over 10,000 weaver spirits a day is an outlier adn should not be counted

queen heron Jan 29, 2024, 4:28 PM

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are any of the other shifters left in owod?

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 4:28 PM

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Yeah

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Only like, two actually got fully wiped out

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 4:28 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1014538127722946600.gif?size=128&quality=lossless

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 4:28 PM

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Yes even in W5

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Expect now in W5 they are INCREDIBLY rare and modern Garou don't know anything about them really

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 4:32 PM

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i wanna play W5 and wrestle a wereshark

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 4:32 PM

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You know what's really fucked up about Thrysus

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Spirits don't trigger Paradox

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 4:32 PM

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what's that?

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thyrsus that is

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 4:33 PM

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A type of Mage focused on Spirits and Life

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 4:33 PM

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oh cool

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i think i understand what the paradox is

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it happens when a human or someone else that can trigger it looks at the magic happening and cause of some status quo shenanigans it goes bad? vicksyLUL

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 4:35 PM

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Basically yeah

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 4:36 PM

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vicksyInspect i always wanted to ask this, lets say im a wizard and i do "pulling something out of my pocket" trick, would it trigger a paradox or would the spell work since they can't see my hand?

clear delta Jan 29, 2024, 4:37 PM

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Old mage paradox is a natural part of the world reacting to excessive magic, and got too strong.
New mage paradox is due to an evil unreality invading your magic

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 4:37 PM

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grave gulch <:vicksyInspect:996566514226430063> i always wanted to ask this, lets say im a...

Depends on if the person is paying especially close attention

clear delta Jan 29, 2024, 4:38 PM

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grave gulch <:vicksyInspect:996566514226430063> i always wanted to ask this, lets say im a...

As long as they don't know it's magic

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 4:38 PM

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i see

clear delta Jan 29, 2024, 4:39 PM

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In old mage, you could have normal people eventually accept your magic as possible, thus not triggering paradox

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 4:40 PM

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New Mage they gotta become Sleepwalkers

clear delta Jan 29, 2024, 4:40 PM

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In new mage, there's a thing in their souls, a shard of unreality, they need to get rid of, becoming sleepwalkers

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 4:41 PM

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you could pull off some 40k orky shenanigans

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just say "aha this device makes cars explode"

clear delta Jan 29, 2024, 4:43 PM

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Well, if the device is too outlandish, I think it'd trigger paradox in old mage.

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 4:44 PM

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If you prime someone to think there's a pipe bomb underneath someone's car and they watch it explode it probably won't trigger Paradox

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 4:45 PM

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vicksyNoted

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sounds like you could have a lot of fun as mage

clear delta Jan 29, 2024, 4:45 PM

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Universal observer arguments, tho

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 4:49 PM

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Universal Observer Arguments feel kinda bad and boring

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Why bother trying to come up with fun, creative ways to do anything when you're just going to get Paradox no matter what?

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 4:50 PM

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vicksyConcern oh

clear delta Jan 29, 2024, 4:51 PM

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Yeah, old mage could have a paradox chance even without sleepers staring

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 4:51 PM

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what else can cause paradoxes?

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is it just humans?

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 4:52 PM

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Essentially yeah

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Nothing supernatural and no animals

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It'd be really funny if Orangutans specifically caused paradox

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 4:54 PM

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so ironically hunters have an edge over them? or do to their belief in the supernatural that goes away? or would it depend as to how often they dealt with mages?

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 4:54 PM

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Some Hunters would be Sleepwalkers but not all of them

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But generally no Hunters have no special distinction until they get supremely fucked up

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Also it's not really an Edge since there's basically nothing a normal human can do against a Mage after a while

spice abyss Jan 29, 2024, 4:56 PM

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mighty zephyr It'd be really funny if Orangutans specifically caused paradox

For shits and giggles, I'd say Orangutans, Elephants, Dolphins, and Octopuses cause Paradox. :p

spice abyss Jan 29, 2024, 4:57 PM

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mighty zephyr Also it's not really an Edge since there's basically nothing a normal human can ...

https://tenor.com/view/ahead-of-you-gif-18442352

Tenor

clear delta Jan 29, 2024, 4:57 PM

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Owls

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 4:57 PM

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Owls not at all

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Owls stupit as hell

clear delta Jan 29, 2024, 4:59 PM

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They can sometimes throw spells. Hard to predict what they'll use due to their stupidity

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 5:00 PM

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mighty zephyr Also it's not really an Edge since there's basically nothing a normal human can ...

vicksyHmm is that cause they are smart?

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 5:05 PM

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Could be that

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Could be cause (depending on timeframe) Mages fuck off to other worlds after a while

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Good luck hunting someone who's hiding on Mars

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 5:05 PM

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.w. oh they just go away?

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lmao

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 5:05 PM

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Yeah they can just (timeframe dependant) Do That

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Go chill out in a magical city in another realm where Paradox does not exist

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(Until the Avatar Storm hit)

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 5:07 PM

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vicksyBork what would be a sound strategy against a mage?

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cause they are still peopler right? like, insane power, but frail bodies?

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 5:07 PM

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Don't let them see you coming, figure out what they can't do,

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Yeah, Mages are still Human

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Although with Time and Entropy they can start doing wild stuff about it...

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 5:08 PM

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Kill them in one hit somehow

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 5:08 PM

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Honestly the way you deal with Mages, as a mortal, is either find a way to let Paradox get them, or find a way to get other Mages after them

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With the caveat that the vast majority of Mages won't actually be able to do the real crazy shit

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You aren't really able to consistently throw a fireball without considerable prep time until like, Arete 5 or 6

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 5:10 PM

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vicksyNoted

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 5:11 PM

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I'd be kinda surprised if most Mages got beyond Arete 3, what with the war and all the things that don't like Mages and just the innate difficulty of reaching beyond that level

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 5:11 PM

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what kind of mage would be into voodoo shenanigans?

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 5:11 PM

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Space mages

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 5:11 PM

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what's thing called?

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the uuh

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magic sphere

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 5:11 PM

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What do you mean?

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Ah, the spheres of that

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I could see Correspondence, yeah

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Life, Entropy,

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Entropy being Fate and Luck and Destiny, as well as the inevitable end of things

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Uh, remember what I said earlier which is "Don't try to figure out too much of a Mages things" just let them do some stuff instead of trying to figure out their specific Spheres or anything

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 5:15 PM

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i know i know

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i'm just super curious now

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vicksyLUL

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not going to put in specific spheres or anything

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i'll have him going around vicksyInspect and stealing shit like vamp blood and etc

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vicksyHmm i do feel like the paradox thingy is something cool to include tho, even the beeg gun mage from the book has it

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 5:28 PM

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Oh no include Paradox

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Paradox is one of the defining features of Mages

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 5:31 PM

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right vicksyAww

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i was maybe thinking of giving them a birb

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but maybe that's too close to the book i read

midnight grotto Jan 29, 2024, 5:37 PM

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I've noticed we're crossing streams between Ascension and Awakening a lot here

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 5:37 PM

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hi genome

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vicksyAww

midnight grotto Jan 29, 2024, 5:37 PM

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Hi

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Jsyk Madeline is talking about Ascension and Voy is talking about Awakening

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 5:45 PM

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^

midnight grotto Jan 29, 2024, 5:46 PM

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I worry sometimes that Fox is being put through a lore rock tumbler because everyone answers questions like this assuming it's about whichever version they're more familiar with lol

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 5:48 PM

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True

midnight grotto Jan 29, 2024, 6:01 PM

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I also think we have to be fair and concede that most supernaturals have high-level abilities that let them just steamroll mortals

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A Requiem 2E vamp could pump a lot of blood into making themselves super strong and fast and invulnerable and just use that to drain more blood

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 6:04 PM

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vicksyNoted

versed zodiac Jan 29, 2024, 6:04 PM

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to quote Big D

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Mages are nerds who you can punch

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but never from the front

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 6:07 PM

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midnight grotto I worry sometimes that Fox is being put through a lore rock tumbler because ever...

Skully is playing Hunter the Reckoning 5th Edition, which is WoD, which is why I'm bringing up oWoD stuff

midnight grotto Jan 29, 2024, 6:08 PM

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Oh yeah you're in the right there

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I just think everyone needs to be clear about stuff lol. I've been lax about it before

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 6:08 PM

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But yes, always good to clarify which edition you're talking

rare swallow Jan 29, 2024, 6:14 PM

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I answer with mostly 20th stuff
But I think I've made that clear before already

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I'm still hoping for WtO 5 so I can join the hate train on 5th ed

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 6:16 PM

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I'm waiting for Mage 5th because I feel like that's going to be...

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Honestly?

rare swallow Jan 29, 2024, 6:16 PM

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Oh boy that'll be the most upsetting for sure

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 6:16 PM

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I can't wait for Mage 5th because I might actually enjoy Mage lol lmao

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 6:16 PM

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I'm genuniely interested in seeing what they do with it.

rare swallow Jan 29, 2024, 6:16 PM

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With how they're going about simplifying stuff

queen heron Jan 29, 2024, 6:16 PM

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mighty zephyr If you prime someone to think there's a pipe bomb underneath someone's car and t...

I actually disagree kinda

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new mage is much less based on perspective

versed zodiac Jan 29, 2024, 6:17 PM

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streamlined Mage is actually fine

queen heron Jan 29, 2024, 6:17 PM

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well idk its fucked tbh

versed zodiac Jan 29, 2024, 6:17 PM

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Mage is already so damn complicated

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 6:17 PM

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hi julia

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 6:17 PM

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Right but we were talking about Old Mage there?

rare swallow Jan 29, 2024, 6:17 PM

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I think the one thing they'll definitely do with WtO 5 is shadow dice are turned from an interesting mechanic to the same thing as hunger dice in V5

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And just completely leave shadows to the GM and dice rolls

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Which is fine

queen heron Jan 29, 2024, 6:17 PM

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oh yeah in that one its how it works

rare swallow Jan 29, 2024, 6:17 PM

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But I worry about other stuff like I imagine they'll focus heavily and mostly on the Shadowlands probably

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 6:18 PM

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Really?

rare swallow Jan 29, 2024, 6:18 PM

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To keep things simple™

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They've mostly been trying to keep things simple

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 6:18 PM

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I'd think they'd focus really heavily on the Skinlands, if they were trying to keep it simple

rare swallow Jan 29, 2024, 6:18 PM

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The underworld is kinda complicated to wrap your head around

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 6:19 PM

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Or

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Maybe I'm getting Shadowlands/Underworld confused

rare swallow Jan 29, 2024, 6:19 PM

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Yeah but wraiths live across the shroud so it'd have to be the Shadowlands

queen heron Jan 29, 2024, 6:19 PM

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grave gulch <:vicksyInspect:996566514226430063> i always wanted to ask this, lets say im a...

in New Mage, almost certainly yeah - it depends more on someone coming in contact with the Supernatural than their perspective on it
In Old Mage, maybe not idk

rare swallow Jan 29, 2024, 6:19 PM

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The Shadowlands is just a reflection of the skinlands across the shroud

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 6:20 PM

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Mage 5th: Honestly what's the worst they could do?

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Bring it down to street level, removing all the extraplanar travel? They already did that in Revised

queen heron Jan 29, 2024, 6:27 PM

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velvet sparrow Yeah, Mages are still Human

this , for both versions

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which also includes how able people are to handle violence

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becoming a Mage doesn't give you any innate advantage in handling combat situations

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 6:28 PM

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good vicksyAww

queen heron Jan 29, 2024, 6:28 PM

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I mean, not counting the magic

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I mean mentally

versed zodiac Jan 29, 2024, 6:28 PM

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it's not like being a vampire or a werewolf

queen heron Jan 29, 2024, 6:28 PM

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in CofD, at least, 95% of combat comes down to who strikes first and overwhelmingly

versed zodiac Jan 29, 2024, 6:28 PM

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which automatically prepares you for combat

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or even like being a changeling, which makes you more death-proof than humans

queen heron Jan 29, 2024, 6:29 PM

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set off a bomb near a wizard and even if they end up fine, you set off a bomb near them

versed zodiac Jan 29, 2024, 6:30 PM

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Big D's point about wizards being nerds you can easily punch is basically that uh

queen heron Jan 29, 2024, 6:30 PM

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even Johnny Three-Life-Dots is gonna feel a gunshot wound

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this is double for oldWoD wizards, I think?

versed zodiac Jan 29, 2024, 6:30 PM

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they're not especially more resistant to geting suckerpunched

queen heron Jan 29, 2024, 6:30 PM

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they're less able to do on the fly casting afaik

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more reliant on set-up

versed zodiac Jan 29, 2024, 6:31 PM

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whereas if you try to King hit a vampire

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you might not like the outcome!

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 6:31 PM

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oWoD I'd argue have it worse, actually

queen heron Jan 29, 2024, 6:31 PM

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yeah

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easier to suckerpunch

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 6:32 PM

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In Awakening Mage Armour is just a Thing you can have up for like, as long as you feel like it, no?

versed zodiac Jan 29, 2024, 6:32 PM

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punching an unsuspecting wizard has lots of potential outcomes, some good, some pretty bad

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punching a vampire has lots of potential outcomes but the great majority are NOT good

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and, like, don't punch a werewolf

queen heron Jan 29, 2024, 6:33 PM

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velvet sparrow In Awakening Mage Armour is just a Thing you can have up for like, as long as yo...

cuts out after a scene, and needs mana to bring up

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 6:33 PM

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It also doesn't just apply to attacks

queen heron Jan 29, 2024, 6:33 PM

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could just leave it up - probably would have knock-on effects

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 6:33 PM

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So you couldn't have it on all the time without risking getting outed

queen heron Jan 29, 2024, 6:33 PM

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versed zodiac punching an unsuspecting wizard has lots of potential outcomes, some good, some ...

its very much a strat that works until it doesnt

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one day you will run into the person whos magical praxis is driving railroad spikes into their skin to elevate their mind from the pain and then its over

versed zodiac Jan 29, 2024, 6:34 PM

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it is all fun and games until the unreasonably ripped MMA (magic martial arts) practitioner punches you through a wall

queen heron Jan 29, 2024, 6:35 PM

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you aim the barrel at their head and shoot

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and they just bare-fisted parry the bullet

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 6:35 PM

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versed zodiac it is all fun and games until the unreasonably ripped MMA (magic martial arts) p...

This was my Mage

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If you punched him he'd just be like "well alright"

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and then Brawl 5 Strength 5

queen heron Jan 29, 2024, 6:36 PM

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wew

versed zodiac Jan 29, 2024, 6:36 PM

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"oh good heavens"
-a Hunter who didn't know what's good

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 6:36 PM

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Perses didn't need no spells

queen heron Jan 29, 2024, 6:36 PM

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I had one of those, with 3 and 3

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Praxis for kinetic fist

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could throw lightning, prefered to throw hands

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 6:38 PM

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We have an Akashic in our Mage party

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That man drop-kicked an enemy through a wall

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Wait no that's not true

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I believe what happened was he jumped through a wall (the wall was made of cardboard) with the intent of drop-kicking the enemy on the other side, but rolled no damage

versed zodiac Jan 29, 2024, 6:42 PM

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bounced right off them

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boi-yoing

midnight grotto Jan 29, 2024, 6:43 PM

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``"Certainly." Woodwose then exhales through his nose and centers himself. He begins flexing--or are those katas?--and chanting something in a language his temporary allies cannot understand.

<<"The Dragon's Voice must be strong! The priest must protect his flock, the king must defend his throne! I am the champion of the Island City, surrounded by the waves of chaos! I am--Hero of the Beach!">>

(Honing the Form; I wouldn't normally have to roll paradox but since I did last time...)``

Taking the opportunity to post this old scene of my urban shaman beefing himself up to fight

clear delta Jan 29, 2024, 6:43 PM

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I just mention cofd to skully for fun or comparison. They've shown an interest in some cofd stuff

versed zodiac Jan 29, 2024, 6:43 PM

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Flex Mentallo?

rare swallow Jan 29, 2024, 6:48 PM

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Mages also can't go too crazy with spells because consensus

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So combat definitely has to be a planned out thing I imagine

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If you just go crazy because it's a stressful situation you might get fucked by paradox instead

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 6:50 PM

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Of course, Mages are also I'd say the most likely splat to just have a gun

clear delta Jan 29, 2024, 6:50 PM

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Just stack self enhancing spells that aren't obviously magical

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 6:50 PM

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Which is not that scary against other supernaturals, but fuck humans up perfectly fine

rare swallow Jan 29, 2024, 6:51 PM

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I guess sphere of life does allow shapeshifting into possibly combat forms iirc

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But like

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Paradox

versed zodiac Jan 29, 2024, 6:51 PM

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mages keeping that fucking blicky on them

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just in case

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 6:52 PM

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Genuinely

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All the other splats have some sort of toughness or innate combat ability they can rely on

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Mages got none of that, and the only ones you'd find just wandering the street are people who grew up in modern society

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They're the most likely splat to have a gun, be willing to use it, and know how

versed zodiac Jan 29, 2024, 6:53 PM

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Gun Vampires are the second most likely

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 6:53 PM

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Hm

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I dunno, what would be more likely, Gun Vampires or Gun Werewolves?

clear delta Jan 29, 2024, 6:54 PM

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rare swallow I guess sphere of life does allow shapeshifting into possibly combat forms iirc

Well, you could just make yourself more durable.

versed zodiac Jan 29, 2024, 6:54 PM

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They live amongst humans and commonly in cities and OFTEN are engaged in criminal violence

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 6:54 PM

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Glass Walker's entire schtick is using modern technology against the Wyrm

clear delta Jan 29, 2024, 6:54 PM

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Oh yeah, cyborg werewolves

versed zodiac Jan 29, 2024, 6:54 PM

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at a certain point as a vampire you're gonna want, like

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a gun just to fit in

clear delta Jan 29, 2024, 6:54 PM

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Digimon-ass guys

versed zodiac Jan 29, 2024, 6:55 PM

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and you might as well learn to use it

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 6:55 PM

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True

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Also because, as the book says

versed zodiac Jan 29, 2024, 6:55 PM

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KEEP THAT MF THANG ON YOU

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 6:55 PM

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(VtM 20th)

versed zodiac Jan 29, 2024, 6:55 PM

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that's what the book says

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stay strapped or get clapped

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 6:55 PM

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"Claw marks and sword wounds make the police suspicious, but nobody pays much attention to someone being shot"

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 6:55 PM

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It's actually really easy to win a gunfight with someone when a bullet hurts as much as getting punched

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 6:55 PM

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vicksySip tru

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 6:56 PM

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Also

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Everyone else has swords and claws

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what are they gonna do against a .50 Cal in a nest

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Get Ranged On, Idiot

velvet sparrow Jan 29, 2024, 6:56 PM

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"Executing a mortal with a sword starts investigations. Clawing someone to ribbons tears the edges of the Masquerade." is the exact quote

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 6:57 PM

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depending on where they live vicksySip just tearing someone apart as a pack of regular wolves is probably good enough as well

versed zodiac Jan 29, 2024, 6:58 PM

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Werewolves have options

queen heron Jan 29, 2024, 7:01 PM

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velvet sparrow Of course, Mages are also I'd say the most likely splat to just have a gun

I made a gun mage specifically!

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she was fun

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I just took KSBD's lesson of the rat to the extreme in an awful way

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and then gave the mage a revolver

versed zodiac Jan 29, 2024, 7:03 PM

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I love you, magic gun

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BANG BANG BANG

mighty zephyr Jan 29, 2024, 7:03 PM

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Perses also used a gun

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Any Forces Mage should have a gun tbh

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it's very versatile

queen heron Jan 29, 2024, 7:03 PM

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I like Guncanthus

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lets you do silly cowboy nonsense

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slow down time to a crawl as you line up a perfect shot

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quickdraw faster than sight

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ultrakill-esque ricoshots

clear delta Jan 29, 2024, 7:04 PM

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Loved that acanthus guy who drove a car into a big spirit and blew it up.

midnight grotto Jan 29, 2024, 7:04 PM

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versed zodiac Flex Mentallo?

💪

clear delta Jan 29, 2024, 7:04 PM

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clear delta Loved that acanthus guy who drove a car into a big spirit and blew it up.

From soul cage

queen heron Jan 29, 2024, 7:05 PM

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I need to read that sometime

midnight grotto Jan 29, 2024, 7:07 PM

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Mechanically, vehicular homicide is one of the most deadly attacks in WoD

clear delta Jan 29, 2024, 7:08 PM

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Dude used fate and time to survive his stunys, such as by rewinding

grave gulch Jan 29, 2024, 7:08 PM

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vroom

rare swallow Jan 29, 2024, 7:10 PM

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The counterpoint to using guns against kindred is that they do bashing damage to vampires

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And bashing damage is pretty shit

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But yeah if you're a vampire it's definitely a good choice if you have to fight humans

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If you have to fight garou, you don't, you just run

versed zodiac Jan 29, 2024, 7:11 PM

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If garou show the fuck up, it's time to LEAVE

rare swallow Jan 29, 2024, 7:11 PM

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Yes

versed zodiac Jan 29, 2024, 7:12 PM

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you got Celerity? you got sweet sweet vampire agility? it's time to fucking use it

rare swallow Jan 29, 2024, 7:12 PM

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Fighting garou is for a group of elder gangrel and they might only have a chance at a 5:1 ratio probably

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And I mean low gen elders

versed zodiac Jan 29, 2024, 7:13 PM

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idk an elder Brujah is pretty fucking mean too

#World of Darkness

I feel rage and vindication swirling in me like the Yin-Yang Symbol