World of Darkness | Pilot NET | Page 5

mighty zephyr Dec 30, 2023, 9:03 PM

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Yeah the Impergium was as far as anyone can tell just a fascist genocide state against literally every other species on the planet

queen heron Dec 30, 2023, 9:03 PM

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its what led to a lot of the other shifter-type’s deaths

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yeah

clear delta Dec 30, 2023, 9:11 PM

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Apoc wolves were just mega murderous and the cause of a lot of problems

mighty zephyr Dec 30, 2023, 9:12 PM

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And now they're mega murderous and the solution to the none of them!

velvet sparrow Dec 30, 2023, 9:14 PM

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Werewolves killing everyone is arguably the reason the world is in such a bad state

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I say arguably only because every splat has a reason the world is in such a bad state

clear delta Dec 30, 2023, 9:19 PM

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It's funny forsaken wolves are the ones atoning for ancient sins

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When apoc wolves have spilt such oceans of innocent blood

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Australia straight up hates them

velvet sparrow Dec 30, 2023, 9:28 PM

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There's also the fact that in Apocalypse you can't just go "Fuck off you assholes I'm going off by myself"

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I mean, you can, but then you're pretty much sacrificing half of the game

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Because your ability to do cool supernatural stuff beyond turning into a wolf is tied to your status in the spirit world, which is directly tied to your status in the werewolf nation

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And if you forsake the nation because it's a bunch of people who go "Y'know, humans don't deserve to live they should just do what we say and everything would be fine. And all those people we killed totally deserved it" then you just aren't respected by spirits at all anymore

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Which means if you think werewolves are a bunch of assholes, but you still wanna like, try and fight to make the world a better place

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You're kinda fucked?

grave gulch Dec 30, 2023, 10:59 PM

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clear delta Apoc wolves were just mega murderous and the cause of a lot of problems

i want to cause problems on person kinda of people then vicksyBork

mighty zephyr Dec 30, 2023, 11:23 PM

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velvet sparrow Because your ability to do cool supernatural stuff beyond turning into a wolf is...

(This is no longer the case in 5e)

velvet sparrow Dec 30, 2023, 11:25 PM

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Hooray!! Shame they removed the werewolf children of werewolves.

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I get why they did it, and I refuse to call them by the name that they gave them,

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But still, there was some neatness in there that could have been used, I feel

grave gulch Dec 31, 2023, 12:22 AM

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what's that about werewolf children?

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vicksySip

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kids that could turn into werewolves?

mighty zephyr Dec 31, 2023, 12:35 AM

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Werewolf on Werewolf conception would result in mutant children that had a name that I am fairly certain is a slur.

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Like an actual slur

grave gulch Dec 31, 2023, 12:36 AM

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oh god

velvet sparrow Dec 31, 2023, 12:39 AM

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Now, I don't believe the word is a slur.

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It is, however, the name of a real world minority

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That they decided to use for what are effectively the cursed foul offspring of an unholy union

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I'm unsure of it's status as a slur because I don't really have any interaction with any people of that group,

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But the name they gave to the children of two werewolves, cursed and disfigured and forbidden, is the name used to refer to the descendants of First Nation peoples and French settlers

mighty zephyr Dec 31, 2023, 12:45 AM

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I'm looking up the etymology and some people consider it offensive nowadays but I think it's in debate

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It's also just

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A factually incorrect use of the term

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"Metis" means "Person of mixed heritage" and the child of two werewolves is very explicitly not a child of mixed heritage

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white wolf what da hell

velvet sparrow Dec 31, 2023, 12:47 AM

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Like, the concept of them is very interesting to me

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The name is fucking yikes

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Even by White Wolf standards, imo

clear delta Dec 31, 2023, 1:07 AM

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Forsaken had its own yikes take on children of two werewolves. Which got dropped in second edition

queen heron Dec 31, 2023, 1:09 AM

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2es got a whole section on werewolf pregnancy where the tone is overall "don't be weird + sorry Werewolf's been weird about it in the past"

clear delta Dec 31, 2023, 1:20 AM

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Demon the descent: flowers of hell also tells you not to be weird or make people uncomfortable in the pregnancy section

mighty zephyr Dec 31, 2023, 1:25 AM

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2e also went "You can turn into a wolf the size of a horse do you think you can't get a man pregnant?"

grave gulch Dec 31, 2023, 1:31 AM

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vicksySip

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vampires kill your ass if you find out about them

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what about the other super Natural factions?

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do any of them go like "no one is going to believe this dork anyway"?

mighty zephyr Dec 31, 2023, 1:32 AM

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All of them

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Attention attracts death.

grave gulch Dec 31, 2023, 1:33 AM

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i see vicksyAww makes sense

mighty zephyr Dec 31, 2023, 1:33 AM

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It's part of the Oath of the Moon that the Herd Must Not Know

velvet sparrow Dec 31, 2023, 1:36 AM

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Generally, all the supernaturals don't want the world at large to know about them because on a meta level, people not knowing the supernatural exists is part of the setting

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Once the world at large knows that the supernatural exists, it changes the setting, and becomes something else

grave gulch Dec 31, 2023, 1:38 AM

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vicksyBork i see

velvet sparrow Dec 31, 2023, 1:38 AM

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Now, some splats want different things than others

midnight grotto Dec 31, 2023, 1:39 AM

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mighty zephyr 2e also went "You can turn into a wolf the size of a horse do you think you can'...

I've read some literature that explores that concept

mighty zephyr Dec 31, 2023, 1:39 AM

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If you mention a/b/o in my presence I will strike you down swifter than the gale.

velvet sparrow Dec 31, 2023, 1:39 AM

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Some splats want the world at large to know specifically so that it does change, but there's people who don't for whatever reasons

midnight grotto Dec 31, 2023, 1:40 AM

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I think the only splat I know of that just flat-out has no masquerade equivalent is Sin-Eaters

grave gulch Dec 31, 2023, 1:40 AM

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mighty zephyr If you mention a/b/o in my presence I will strike you down swifter than the gale...

vicksySip are u a wizard?

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i thought the sabbat didn't like the masquerade either

mighty zephyr Dec 31, 2023, 1:41 AM

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Sabbat

velvet sparrow Dec 31, 2023, 1:41 AM

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A big thing about the Sabbat is that they're kinda hypocrites who are very much like the Camarilla?

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And, yes the Sabbat wants to tear the Masquerade down, that is one of their talking points, but

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The Masquerade kind of exists for a reason?

grave gulch Dec 31, 2023, 1:42 AM

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vicksyBork all hot air?

velvet sparrow Dec 31, 2023, 1:42 AM

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And Vampires who don't follow it tend to die and give up whatever influence they had to people who do

velvet sparrow Dec 31, 2023, 1:43 AM

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grave gulch <:vicksyBork:996566504311099533> all hot air?

Mostly

mighty zephyr Dec 31, 2023, 1:43 AM

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The Sabbat are a huge mixed bag of evil for evil's sake, people actually adhering to the ideals presented, and people who think being a vampire means they're a king just waiting to happen

velvet sparrow Dec 31, 2023, 1:45 AM

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Don't forget the people who became the Elders they originally rose up against and went "This is pretty based actually"

grave gulch Dec 31, 2023, 1:45 AM

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vicksyInspect buncha nerds

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what about the anarchs?

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are they any better than the other 2 big vampire factions?

velvet sparrow Dec 31, 2023, 1:45 AM

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Define "better"

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And then realise that the Sabbat at least has the pretense of a central binding philosphy

grave gulch Dec 31, 2023, 1:46 AM

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vicksySip from what i know of the Camarilla and the Sabbat us that being part of those factions kind of sucks

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if ur not a big shot that is

velvet sparrow Dec 31, 2023, 1:47 AM

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Depends on your local flavour of Anarch.

grave gulch Dec 31, 2023, 1:47 AM

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one is slavery(blood bonds) and the other follows an idea of completely abandoning your humanity vicksyConcern

velvet sparrow Dec 31, 2023, 1:47 AM

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And also blood bonds

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Some Anarch cities are pretty cool and chill actually, relatively

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Other Anarch cities are "The Camarilla but we use different names"

mighty zephyr Dec 31, 2023, 1:48 AM

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Others are "Anarchy is we kill everyone, right?"

grave gulch Dec 31, 2023, 1:50 AM

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.w. giving me some Lancer Horus vibes

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as in you can expect basically anything from them vicksyLUL

velvet sparrow Dec 31, 2023, 1:52 AM

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Yeah, that's kinda what happens when you get a large group with no real central oversight or even beliefs beyond "Freedom, baby"

grave gulch Dec 31, 2023, 1:52 AM

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i'm stealing your quote vicksyGun

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so they can be pretty cool but also absolutely horrible .w.

velvet sparrow Dec 31, 2023, 1:53 AM

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Yep

clear delta Dec 31, 2023, 1:53 AM

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The new world of darkness masquerade is
The mortals know the world is weird and scary, if not the details. But they mega repress it for their mental health. It's a part of growing up that you realuze the world is fucked up, and to mind your business.
The supernaturals just need to hide that they're not human, and hide the details of their kind

clear delta Dec 31, 2023, 1:54 AM

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mighty zephyr 2e also went "You can turn into a wolf the size of a horse do you think you can'...

So trans women werewolves cam get pregnant! Amazing!

velvet sparrow Dec 31, 2023, 1:54 AM

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Tbf that describes old wod pretty well too

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The masquerade bit, not getting trans women pregnant

clear delta Dec 31, 2023, 1:55 AM

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If a town is occasionally eaten by an horror, the masquerade pretty much requires effort on the humans' part

mighty zephyr Dec 31, 2023, 1:55 AM

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velvet sparrow The masquerade bit, not getting trans women pregnant

another reason NWoD is better tbh.

velvet sparrow Dec 31, 2023, 1:55 AM

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At this point I'm in too deep to owod

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And also my st only wants to run owod because that's what she's familiar with sadcowboy

clear delta Dec 31, 2023, 1:56 AM

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clear delta If a town is occasionally eaten by an horror, the masquerade pretty much require...

And tokyo is hard mode. Bunch of supernaturals. The abyss is eating the place. So many abyssal monsters the guys who fight are ptsd filled and use black humor to cope.

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Yakuza idols

queen heron Dec 31, 2023, 1:59 AM

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tons of systemic corruption in the supernatural power structures

clear delta Dec 31, 2023, 2:01 AM

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Wait, I think both werewolf games have ways to change sex, anyway

mighty zephyr Dec 31, 2023, 2:01 AM

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Yeah they do

clear delta Dec 31, 2023, 2:02 AM

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queen heron tons of systemic corruption in the supernatural power structures

Crusty old sexist mages.
"I will let this town be eaten by horrors from beyond before I let a woman into office"

midnight grotto Dec 31, 2023, 2:03 AM

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clear delta So trans women werewolves cam get pregnant! Amazing!

there's a meme I desperately want to invoke here but it's wildly against server rules so just imagine Father Wolf sharing encouraging words and hopefully the point is conveyed

midnight grotto Dec 31, 2023, 2:03 AM

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clear delta Wait, I think both werewolf games have ways to change sex, anyway

there's too much overlap with Exalted Lunars not to

clear delta Dec 31, 2023, 2:03 AM

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On the topic of demon children. I love how demon the descent makes them into such plot hooks and sources of trouble. The cypher for them is awful and dangerous

clear delta Dec 31, 2023, 2:04 AM

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midnight grotto there's a meme I desperately want to invoke here but it's wildly against server ...

I've seen memes like that, I think I know what you mean

queen heron Dec 31, 2023, 2:07 AM

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oh I was unsurprised to learn recently that a lot of Demon's vibes were inspired by the Sidereals

grave gulch Dec 31, 2023, 2:47 AM

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i want a werewolf game where we go around killing the owners of the restaurant that puts demons into their burgers

grave gulch Dec 31, 2023, 3:08 AM

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speaking of weird....anyone knows anything about the hollow earth?

queen heron Dec 31, 2023, 5:21 AM

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dont know much oWoD

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sounds Umbra related

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unless you mean, like, the irl things people have said about it

velvet sparrow Dec 31, 2023, 5:22 AM

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Uh

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Yeah, weird Umbra stuff

velvet sparrow Dec 31, 2023, 5:24 AM

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grave gulch speaking of weird....anyone knows anything about the hollow earth?

Remind me tomorrow and I can look into it for you?

mighty zephyr Dec 31, 2023, 9:38 AM

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grave gulch speaking of weird....anyone knows anything about the hollow earth?

The Hollow Earth is where dinosaur lizard kings rule

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It is indeed an Umbra thing

grave gulch Dec 31, 2023, 2:19 PM

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vicksySip

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i also heard about steampunk people fighting nazis in there, what's up with that

clear delta Dec 31, 2023, 5:04 PM

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Steampunk people? The sons/society of ether?

grave gulch Dec 31, 2023, 5:04 PM

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idk, are they fighting nazis?

velvet sparrow Dec 31, 2023, 5:43 PM

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Okay

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Got it

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Umbral Realm; Accessible from Earth through portals, although those portals are closing and becoming rarer as the Hollow Earth slips further and further out of the Consensus

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Possibly the Shade Realm of Matter

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Biotopia: The lush forest where all the dinosaurs and other extinct and lost plants and creatures (And cultures) reside

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Oh my god

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lmfao

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Doc Eon, in his travels through Agharta, became aware of a race called the *dero*. He thought they were robotic slaves to Hitler's Third Reich, little realizing the true peril they represented. In actuality, I maintain that *they* were often in control of Hitler's minions.

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Robot in the sense of "worker" or "slave", not mechanical beings it seems like

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A slave race created by the Society of Ether before they left the Technocracy that rebelled and is using their leftover technology to wage a war against Humanity

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lol

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lmao, even

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Uh, let's skip ahead a little...

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Ah, here we go.

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The roads to Agharta include an entry through the north pole... Though no one has visited that Realm since the end of World War II, it is generally believed that several prominent Nazi scientists escaped to Agharta and set up secret laboratories and factories there designed to bring about the Fourth Reich in the near future.

velvet sparrow Dec 31, 2023, 5:59 PM

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velvet sparrow ```The roads to Agharta include an entry through the north pole... Though no one...

@grave gulch

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That is about as deep as it goes, in typical White Wolf fashion

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grave gulch Dec 31, 2023, 6:04 PM

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vicksySip sounds about right

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that explains the nazis but still weird

velvet sparrow Dec 31, 2023, 6:05 PM

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So, yes, there are Nazis in the Hollow Earth, although any fighting of them beyond the native residents is up to the Storyteller

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There are mentions of "the mystickal Mind magick of the Goro monks" hopefully being able to keep them in check until communication with the Realm can be reestablished

grave gulch Dec 31, 2023, 6:09 PM

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vicksyBork what realm?

velvet sparrow Dec 31, 2023, 6:10 PM

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The realm of Agharta, in the Hollow Earth

grave gulch Dec 31, 2023, 7:30 PM

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oh right

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vicksySip if their tech is anything like wolfenstein then we do have a problem

velvet sparrow Dec 31, 2023, 7:31 PM

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Eh

grave gulch Dec 31, 2023, 7:31 PM

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not that much of a threat?

velvet sparrow Dec 31, 2023, 7:31 PM

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The Technocracy has multiple orbital kill-sats

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Would they use them on the Nazis?

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Debatable

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The point is, even if they had technology like that, they'd run into the same problem as everyone else who has technology like that

grave gulch Dec 31, 2023, 7:35 PM

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sooo...kinda like the necrons who can blow up solar systems

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but they don't cause there will be nothing left?

velvet sparrow Dec 31, 2023, 7:36 PM

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Namely Paradox and the multiple other groups who have equivalent tech and their own goals

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All of which are contradictory to what the Nazis want, and well, they're Nazis, so they'll be in direct conflict

grave gulch Dec 31, 2023, 8:36 PM

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kill em vicksyRaid

queen heron Dec 31, 2023, 8:42 PM

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the difference between hollow earth nazis and the technocracy is less than you’d think tbh

velvet sparrow Dec 31, 2023, 8:43 PM

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Yes, but I feel that they wouldn't work together

queen heron Jan 1, 2024, 10:23 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blikKjazASA

YouTube

Everything Everything - Topic

Only As Good As My God

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℗ 2015 Sony Music Entertainment UK Limited

Released on: 2015-06-22

Background Vocal, Vocal, Composer, Lyricist: Jonathan Higgs
Bass, Composer, Lyricist: Jeremy Pritchard
Guitar, Composer, Lyricist, Programmer: Alexander Robertshaw...

▶ Play video

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I cant get over how much this is a Praetorian song

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Seers in general, really, but especially the praetorian

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Then my horses on the concrete
Make you quiver and ah-ooh, shake, ooh, quake
You can't get out of my way, so you're split to pieces

If they crawl out of the mud
Wash them away in a flood
I'm only as good as my god
Burnt hair and more money```

midnight grotto Jan 1, 2024, 1:14 PM

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fuck that's incredibly Seer-core

midnight grotto Jan 1, 2024, 3:41 PM

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thanks for introducing me to this band(?)

rare swallow Jan 1, 2024, 7:11 PM

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Game idea: Vampire Wild West where you're all Sabbat Inquisitors, but it's a western so you're all like vigilantes hunting demonologists and baali in the night on horseback.

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Don't ask me how it'd work

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It started because I liked the stupid fucking Lasombra shadow horse Obteneration ability

mighty zephyr Jan 1, 2024, 7:16 PM

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As someone running cowboy werewolves

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Cowboy wod is fun

clear delta Jan 1, 2024, 7:19 PM

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Could transfer the ghost town from new world of darkness to your game

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Just, uh, cw

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Racism, lynching. Mentions of SA.

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But it's a well built setting and mystery.

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||The town ghost is somewhat alien, and creates confusing sub ghosts of people. It has a symbiotic relationship with the sheriff' ghost, being each others' anchors||

grave gulch Jan 1, 2024, 9:37 PM

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uuuh

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anyone knows when WoD 4th edition firtst came out?

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how long did it take for 5th come out after that? vicksyThink

rare swallow Jan 1, 2024, 9:40 PM

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V20 (4th ed) came out around 2011 for VtM

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Other 20th Anniversary editions for Mage, Werewolf, Wraith, etc came out not too long after

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Not every WoD splat got a 20th anniversary edition

grave gulch Jan 1, 2024, 9:41 PM

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vicksySip i see

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5th started coming out on 2018 right?

rare swallow Jan 1, 2024, 9:41 PM

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5th came out in 2018 yes

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Werewolf released last year (2023)

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3rd edition (Revised, as it's called) and 20th anniversary are, however, basically combine-able iirc

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You can just use stuff from Revised into 20th no problem

grave gulch Jan 1, 2024, 9:45 PM

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neat vicksySip

clear delta Jan 1, 2024, 10:48 PM

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Oh, archangels from cassette beasts are good inspiration

clear delta Jan 1, 2024, 11:10 PM

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They're basically ||like high level goetia. Powerful entities of thought.||

grave gulch Jan 2, 2024, 12:38 AM

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vicksyThink

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do these vampires burn in the sun?

clear delta Jan 2, 2024, 12:51 AM

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Hmm?

queen heron Jan 2, 2024, 1:42 AM

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clear delta They're basically ||like high level goetia. Powerful entities of thought.||

oh wow one of them is literally ||The Fear of Death||, yeah

grave gulch Jan 2, 2024, 1:42 AM

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the worlld of darkness vamps

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cause if they do

queen heron Jan 2, 2024, 1:42 AM

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canon like rank 8 goetia

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they do

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its one of the true universal banes

grave gulch Jan 2, 2024, 1:42 AM

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that's probably a good way to get rid of their bodies vicksyBork

mighty zephyr Jan 2, 2024, 1:43 AM

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Depends on hold the vamp is

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if they're old enough you don't gotta get rid of anything

grave gulch Jan 2, 2024, 1:44 AM

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oh

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their bodies uuhh age rapidly once they die right?

mighty zephyr Jan 2, 2024, 1:45 AM

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They revert to their true biological age.

grave gulch Jan 2, 2024, 1:45 AM

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vicksyBork i see

queen heron Jan 2, 2024, 1:45 AM

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its not super lethal in CofD until you reach higher BP / lower humanity

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I think it has a twin track, where one is how often the damage ticks and the others how much damage you take

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you're almost certainly not going to die in seconds or minutes exposed to the sun

grave gulch Jan 2, 2024, 1:47 AM

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do their corpses burn as well? or does it like...become a human body again? since they revert to their biological age

queen heron Jan 2, 2024, 1:48 AM

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hmm

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oh yeah its very generous for lower BP vamps

mighty zephyr Jan 2, 2024, 1:49 AM

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I think you can also turn it into bashing or double the duration or what have you with good enough covering.

queen heron Jan 2, 2024, 1:49 AM

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I don't know if Reqiuem vamps revert on death

queen heron Jan 2, 2024, 1:50 AM

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mighty zephyr I think you can also turn it into bashing or double the duration or what have yo...

I saw a GM the other day go on a mini-rant about how he doesn't like this rule lmao

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"Its a metaphysical weakness I'm not letting you stop it with a particularly thick coat"

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basically just rules clothes never count as enough covering

mighty zephyr Jan 2, 2024, 1:51 AM

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me with big hat: "you're just jealous because I'm gucci"

grave gulch Jan 2, 2024, 1:51 AM

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mighty zephyr I think you can also turn it into bashing or double the duration or what have yo...

i don't think i understand

queen heron Jan 2, 2024, 1:51 AM

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blood aint the only thing out here drippin' 💀 🔥 🔥

grave gulch Jan 2, 2024, 1:51 AM

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oh i get it

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"protective" clothing and whatnot

queen heron Jan 2, 2024, 1:52 AM

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mighty zephyr Jan 2, 2024, 1:52 AM

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Yeah

queen heron Jan 2, 2024, 1:52 AM

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heres the rule in the book

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it doesn't explicitly say what counts as coverage, so there is room

mighty zephyr Jan 2, 2024, 1:52 AM

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So BP 1-2 can go out in big clothing.

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And be completely fine.

grave gulch Jan 2, 2024, 1:52 AM

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can the tremere use blood magics to protect themselves from the sun?

spice abyss Jan 2, 2024, 1:52 AM

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So if you're a starting vamp who covers absolutely everything but your eyes, you can be in the sun as long as you want.

mighty zephyr Jan 2, 2024, 1:52 AM

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Tremere are an OWoD thing

mighty zephyr Jan 2, 2024, 1:53 AM

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spice abyss So if you're a starting vamp who covers absolutely everything but your eyes, you...

And then also sunglasses exist.

queen heron Jan 2, 2024, 1:53 AM

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NwoD has a group of dracula science-cultists

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who can eventually trade away some of the sun weakness

queen heron Jan 2, 2024, 1:54 AM

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grave gulch can the tremere use blood magics to protect themselves from the sun?

personally I'd rule no - because I'd go with "Magic from vampirism inherits its weaknesses"

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so, no blood dome to block the sun

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probably let you do some Skyrim Dawnguard stuff and temporarily block the sun in a place though

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that'd be a bit of a big ritual

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its like how changeling contracts have trouble affecting cold iron in general

grave gulch Jan 2, 2024, 1:55 AM

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i heard blood magic is not even real magic

queen heron Jan 2, 2024, 1:55 AM

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ehhh, I mean

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its magic for sure

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in both versions

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definitely something wizards might say though

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"ha, when you summon a horrendous blood god built from your sacrifice, you don't even know the symbols you're calling upon. Basically completely different than when I do it IDIOT 😎"

grave gulch Jan 2, 2024, 1:56 AM

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vicksyThink i know that the tremere used to be wizards but after being embraced they lost their powers

queen heron Jan 2, 2024, 1:56 AM

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and then you get pasted by a blood god

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mhm

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I don't know what the OwoD's explanation for not stacking supernatural templates like that

mighty zephyr Jan 2, 2024, 1:57 AM

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It's not stacking

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it's trading

queen heron Jan 2, 2024, 1:57 AM

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but its probably something like "Their souls are shredded"

mighty zephyr Jan 2, 2024, 1:58 AM

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they essentially changed their Magehood for Vampirehood

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And became fucked as a result

queen heron Jan 2, 2024, 1:58 AM

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they weren't just embraced, right, it was a whole ritual?

mighty zephyr Jan 2, 2024, 1:58 AM

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yeah

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btw

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who would like to be bothered by my Jujutsu Fansplat ramblings

queen heron Jan 2, 2024, 1:59 AM

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you can throw em out

mighty zephyr Jan 2, 2024, 1:59 AM

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(Requirement: Offensive Output) 
A black flash is an instinctual, unconscious application of Cursed Energy. With the perfect application of energy 0.000001 seconds after a hit, the Sorcerer may increase the effect of their blow by the power of 2.5. 

A Black Flash is a rare occurrence. It requires an exceptional success on an attack, after which the Sorcerer rolls Grade. On a success, the hit becomes a Black Flash, doubling its successes. 

Idk if I like this but it’s here for now.

Domain Expansion:
Pick a dicepool upon gaining this technique, as well as a Resistance stat. Your dicepool is Attribute+Skill+Grade while your opponent’s is the Resistance Attribute + Grade. If your opponent succeeds by 5 or more successes, they overpower your domain and deal 1 Aggravated damage to you.   

When you pick this technique, choose one of the following effects. You may pick this multiple times to have your domain contain multiple effects:

Inflict a Condition so long as your Domain remains in effect. This condition is something you should build with your ST, but should not have penalties or bonuses greater than Grade. 

Inflict Damage: Inflict Aggravated Damage equal to how many more Successes + Grade. If your opponent succeeds with more successes than you, deal 1 Aggravated damage. 

Inflict a Tilt: You may inflict a tilt akin to Environmental Hazard with severity up to Grade. ```

queen heron Jan 2, 2024, 1:59 AM

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I glanced at the page and missed it was Jujutsu until I got to the explaining powers out loud bit lmao

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never watched the show

queen heron Jan 2, 2024, 2:01 AM

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mighty zephyr ```Black Flash: (Requirement: Offensive Output) A black flash is an instinctual...

WEW

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Exceptional into extra Aggrevated will demolish someone when it goes off

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I think inflict damage is probably the best of the three

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if its not a grade roll but instead just grade+ damage

mighty zephyr Jan 2, 2024, 2:03 AM

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The damage is your difference in successes + Grade

queen heron Jan 2, 2024, 2:03 AM

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when you say difference in successes

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is that just how many more you got than you needed, or is the defender rolling something too?

mighty zephyr Jan 2, 2024, 2:04 AM

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The defender is rolling a resistance stat + Grade

queen heron Jan 2, 2024, 2:05 AM

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oh I somehow skipped the Domain Expansion

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I thought this was what happened on a black flash

mighty zephyr Jan 2, 2024, 2:05 AM

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Nah

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Black Flash is seperate

clear delta Jan 2, 2024, 10:10 AM

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queen heron oh wow one of them is literally ||The Fear of Death||, yeah

Oh uh, spoiled myself? Oh no, already found their lair. Their thene is apparent

grave gulch Jan 2, 2024, 3:21 PM

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btw, what's a different word for "blank" hunters used that term for vamps but i'm also trying to figure out a good translation for that vicksyThink

mighty zephyr Jan 2, 2024, 3:22 PM

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grave gulch btw, what's a different word for "blank" hunters used that term for vamps but i'...

in old world?

grave gulch Jan 2, 2024, 3:22 PM

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yeah

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what's the New world term? maybe that's easier to translate

mighty zephyr Jan 2, 2024, 3:24 PM

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So wait

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are you aware that vampires are called "Blanks"

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or are you using that like a mad libs

grave gulch Jan 2, 2024, 3:27 PM

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vampires are called blanks

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vicksyThink i said that cause it's what i read in the book i got

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called blanks by the hunter guys that is

grave gulch Jan 2, 2024, 3:28 PM

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mighty zephyr or are you using that like a mad libs

idk what a mad libs is vicksyDed

rare swallow Jan 2, 2024, 4:52 PM

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Hunters call Vampires blanks or leeches
Vampires call each other kindred (camarilla mostly), cainite (sabbat mostly) or lick (derogatory)

grave gulch Jan 2, 2024, 5:32 PM

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leeches i can translate easily i think

clear delta Jan 2, 2024, 5:50 PM

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Oh, to Portuguese right?

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Lemme ask my group

grave gulch Jan 2, 2024, 6:12 PM

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vicksyHappy AAA

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wait a fucking minute i just realized Julia speaks portuguese as well vicksyBork

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what's code would u use for vamps in portuguese? @rare swallow

rare swallow Jan 2, 2024, 6:18 PM

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Oh hmmmm

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I actually never thought about that

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There's probably a decent VtM community in Brazil tbh, I can imagine people have thought about it already

grave gulch Jan 2, 2024, 6:20 PM

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true vicksyThink

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would have to dig it up a bit

nimble sundial Jan 2, 2024, 7:25 PM

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grave gulch btw, what's a different word for "blank" hunters used that term for vamps but i'...

Blank is short for blank body. They call them that because they have no body heat and so don’t show up on infrared cameras. Maybe something like cold body or cold one could be another term for it.

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Like, they’re trying to say vampires have no life signs without using terms like dead or undead

grave gulch Jan 2, 2024, 8:20 PM

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ooh vicksyPog that's a good take on it

mighty zephyr Jan 2, 2024, 9:53 PM

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If I have a power stat that only goes up to 5

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should I bother giving people the option to dump 10 merit dots into power stat at character generation?

heady kestrel Jan 2, 2024, 9:55 PM

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mighty zephyr should I bother giving people the option to dump 10 merit dots into power stat a...

I would say yes just so you can have the cool narrative "I am a natural user of power" or "I am a little older than the rest of the party"

mighty zephyr Jan 2, 2024, 9:56 PM

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Yeah I mean Megumin was a Grade 2 on starting out.

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So it makes sense.

clear delta Jan 2, 2024, 10:23 PM

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grave gulch ooh <:vicksyPog:996566518903083028> that's a good take on it

My friends had no name, only recommendation to find a name related to a lack of vital signs

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Honestly, "nulo" works

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Not very good but

mighty zephyr Jan 2, 2024, 10:36 PM

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I am thinking

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I could maybe use the spellcasting rules for Mage on how to build an Innate Technique

grave gulch Jan 2, 2024, 10:44 PM

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clear delta Honestly, "nulo" works

oh

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.w. why couldn't i think of that?

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honestly it works vicksyLUL

late goblet Jan 3, 2024, 3:25 AM

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Do you think it will be possible for a caitiff to independently tap into v20 shrecknet?

void helm Jan 3, 2024, 4:11 AM

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Hello hi quick question. Has anyone here played Werewolf: The apocalypse? Just wanted to know that's all

grave gulch Jan 3, 2024, 4:12 AM

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vicksyBork people here really like the reckoning version of it

void helm Jan 3, 2024, 4:13 AM

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Huh really? Well I've always been intrested in hearing more about the game from players

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Since finding content online is a tad bit difficult sometimes

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Thought I have been reading up on a lot of the lore the last week or so

patent stirrupBOT Jan 3, 2024, 4:14 AM

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we have played it a bit

void helm Jan 3, 2024, 4:14 AM

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And I even bought heart of the forest

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(since I doubt my laptop can run earthblood)

mighty zephyr Jan 3, 2024, 6:36 AM

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void helm Hello hi quick question. Has anyone here played Werewolf: The apocalypse? Just w...

I haven't played it yet

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But I've been trying to

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I have read it top to bottom tho

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Several times

clear delta Jan 3, 2024, 9:25 AM

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grave gulch <:vicksyBork:996566504311099533> people here really like the reckoning version ...

Werewolf reckoning?

grave gulch Jan 3, 2024, 11:55 AM

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SORRY

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Forsaken

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vicksyEmpty 👈

late goblet Jan 3, 2024, 12:34 PM

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void helm Hello hi quick question. Has anyone here played Werewolf: The apocalypse? Just w...

I did, albeit i do think its very bad

grave gulch Jan 3, 2024, 1:12 PM

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did u play 5th edition?

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just wondering since I'm hoping to buy that one for myself soon

late goblet Jan 3, 2024, 2:23 PM

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I played older eds and unaware how they changed it in 5e

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My main qualms with wta was its lore and concept

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concept

Hard to make a combat oriented game on storyteller

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One time i was playing nuwisha and had the stupidest encounter i ever saw

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I roll 13+ dice

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Black spiral dies

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Gets up

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I roll 13+ dice

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Repeat

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Its one of the worst examples but its hard to not encounter them as you play

grave gulch Jan 3, 2024, 2:31 PM

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oh yeah the lore is a main complaint

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from what i heard it got better

late goblet Jan 3, 2024, 2:35 PM

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I went on multiple rants on how the wta lore sucks

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And by lore i mean garou nation being the default group people are a part of, and the way its handled

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It does arguably more heineous shit than other "default" factions such as camarilla, traditions, but is portrayed more positively. You are not really "meant" to go against it, as far as the book is concerned, while, say, camarilla is shown as much of an antagonist to the players within it, as forces outside it

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Tribes being racist caricatures doesnt help too

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I have no idea how one would make this better outside of like just straight up dismantling it, like what happened to sabbat and basically happened to cama

hidden rock Jan 3, 2024, 2:45 PM

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It's funny how WW does consistently better when it's going for emo instead of edgy

grave gulch Jan 3, 2024, 3:09 PM

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but yeah uuuh

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pretty sure Werewolf the Forsaken fixes a lot of that

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that's chronicles of darkness

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by the way

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would hunters be dealing with some of the creatures the other supernatural groups have to deal with as well?

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like weirdo spirits from werewolf the forsaken and abyss monsters from mage?

queen heron Jan 3, 2024, 3:19 PM

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100%

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they exist in the same world

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probably run across each other sometimes

grave gulch Jan 3, 2024, 3:21 PM

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nice! i feel like that can make things really really fun, and also expand the options for encounters/hunts vicksyAww

clear delta Jan 3, 2024, 3:54 PM

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Hunters in tokyo must be having such an awful time

grave gulch Jan 3, 2024, 4:06 PM

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lots of abyss stuff in there?

clear delta Jan 3, 2024, 4:16 PM

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Yes

late goblet Jan 3, 2024, 4:34 PM

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grave gulch pretty sure Werewolf the Forsaken fixes a lot of that

Thats like saying wh 40k fixes wh fantasy
Different takes and games, even if they are related

grave gulch Jan 3, 2024, 4:37 PM

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i just meant to say people say good things about it....

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i'm sorry you don't like it

late goblet Jan 3, 2024, 4:37 PM

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Nah i like it

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Its good

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I am saying it doesnt fix wta, because wtf and wta are different, vaguely related things

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Sorry if this came off rude, didnt mean it that way

grave gulch Jan 3, 2024, 4:39 PM

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vicksyHug

late goblet Jan 3, 2024, 4:40 PM

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^w^

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I actually think wta would be fine if they set ronins as the default tbh

mighty zephyr Jan 3, 2024, 5:38 PM

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late goblet I have no idea how one would make this better outside of like just straight up d...

This is why the entire lore got rebooted

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For 5th

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All old lore is now officially non-canon until said otherwise

late goblet Jan 3, 2024, 5:39 PM

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ohhhh

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good

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Whats the new lore, more or less?

mighty zephyr Jan 3, 2024, 5:39 PM

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Tribes are no longer tied to ethnicities

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All breeding and eugenics has been removed

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Well, kinda, there's still lupus born werewolves and the Silver Fangs are still somewhat the hereditary ruling caste

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The Cult of Fenris are now a neutral-to-hostile faction

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And generally things are smaller scale, less blood and thunder, and many think Gaia is already dead and they're just moving around the corpse.

late goblet Jan 3, 2024, 5:44 PM

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mighty zephyr Tribes are no longer tied to ethnicities

How are they handled then? 🤔

mighty zephyr Jan 3, 2024, 5:44 PM

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They are spiritual archetypes and the only real deciding factor is the whims of the Patron spirit

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@late goblet

late goblet Jan 3, 2024, 5:48 PM

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Could you give an example? Sorry for bothering

mighty zephyr Jan 3, 2024, 5:49 PM

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I mean they're all examples now

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The tribes are now all global phenomenon with no ties to ethnicities

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I can't really give an example because it's just how they all work

late goblet Jan 3, 2024, 6:23 PM

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grave gulch Jan 3, 2024, 7:27 PM

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now i need to figure out how i'll ne running my hunter game vicksySip

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i got the vampire book as well since i was planning on vamps being one of the main targets for my players

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old Wod btw

mighty zephyr Jan 3, 2024, 7:34 PM

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Use it for lore but don't add specific powers

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games aren't balanced around each other

grave gulch Jan 3, 2024, 7:43 PM

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will do

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if anything i think i can come here and ask for help when it comes to balancing stuff

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like, if i add a specific vampire i probably want it to keep it's flavor

grave gulch Jan 3, 2024, 8:44 PM

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ok this is funny

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you can play discount hunter with the vampire book

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there are rules for human characters vicksyLUL

little light Jan 3, 2024, 9:03 PM

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Always wanted to do that

grave gulch Jan 3, 2024, 10:15 PM

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vicksyLUL i wonder how it would go

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since i do have the book i'm obviously considering running vampire at some point

grave gulch Jan 3, 2024, 11:26 PM

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ok

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i read up on a really interesting kind of vampire

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they are called "Salubri" from the old world of darkness

rare swallow Jan 3, 2024, 11:32 PM

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They're mostly extinct, but yeah they're interesting

mighty zephyr Jan 3, 2024, 11:35 PM

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squats

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ODDSQc2c1BJ2YhCinorbNC3bSv0ztjmRF4WMUv56ix4/edit?usp=sharing

Google Docs

Sorcerers: The Cursed (WIP)

rare swallow Jan 3, 2024, 11:35 PM

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~~Ask the Tremere why they're mostly extinct~~

mighty zephyr Jan 3, 2024, 11:35 PM

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I have scribbled character creation

rare swallow Jan 3, 2024, 11:35 PM

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👀

mighty zephyr Jan 3, 2024, 11:35 PM

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and will now begin play-testing this as soon as I write down the cost of usages of Cursed Energy

grave gulch Jan 3, 2024, 11:36 PM

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vicksyBork i might use one on my game at some point

velvet sparrow Jan 4, 2024, 4:53 PM

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Hello!

grave gulch Jan 4, 2024, 4:53 PM

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HI

velvet sparrow Jan 4, 2024, 4:53 PM

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Wow I missed a lot of fun discussion 😔

grave gulch Jan 4, 2024, 4:54 PM

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mostly me talking about random stuff i might want in my game vicksyAww

velvet sparrow Jan 4, 2024, 4:56 PM

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queen heron but its *probably* something like "Their souls are shredded"

That's it exactly, actually. The Embrace shatters the Avatar, which is what allows a Mage to do magic. Vampiric blood in general weakens it, actually, and if you're a ghoul for too long you just lose the ability to do magic

grave gulch Jan 4, 2024, 4:58 PM

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interesting

rare swallow Jan 4, 2024, 5:48 PM

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Obligatory dunking on House Tremere

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Imagine willingly shattering your avatar

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L + Ratio

mighty zephyr Jan 4, 2024, 5:55 PM

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Counterpoint

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Imagine being the rizzless state of being of a mage instead of the Most Rizz Supernatural, the vampire

rare swallow Jan 4, 2024, 6:21 PM

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I have a counterargument for that but it might be too 18+

clear delta Jan 4, 2024, 6:39 PM

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I think in cofd the major templates that have souls had their souls modified by the proccess in incompatible ways. The soul of a mage and the soul of a werewolf have incompatible mods

midnight grotto Jan 4, 2024, 7:44 PM

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Yeah souls are important in nWoD as tangible things

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It's a fun metaphysical through line

grave gulch Jan 4, 2024, 7:51 PM

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is there an abyss equivalent in old wod for mages? what do they do over there? like...who's their antagonist?

queen heron Jan 4, 2024, 7:55 PM

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Old Paradox was more becoming nihilistically solipsistic, I think

grave gulch Jan 4, 2024, 7:55 PM

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.w.

queen heron Jan 4, 2024, 7:55 PM

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getting so caught up in your own bullshit you change consensus yourself

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but its negative?

grave gulch Jan 4, 2024, 7:57 PM

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dang

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sounds like old wod mage lore is BORING vicksyBork

queen heron Jan 4, 2024, 7:57 PM

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queen heron getting so caught up in your own bullshit you change consensus yourself

I feel like I might be mixing up the Nephandi and these guys

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the Nephandi were the vibe-proginitors to the Scelesti

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and were mostly kind of.... pop-nihilists?

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They want to turn to dark forces for power, or corrupt the world, or serve eldritch goals, or just end everything

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pretty much if its bad, and maybe a little chuuni, thats them

grave gulch Jan 4, 2024, 8:00 PM

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vicksyInspect

queen heron Jan 4, 2024, 8:00 PM

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one of their important figures (and who I think is important in the Mage Apocolypse scenarios) was named Voormas

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and like

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Voormas is a withered, ancient man of South Asian descent who hobbles on a cane made from a child's skull and spinal column.

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thats the Nephandi

grave gulch Jan 4, 2024, 8:01 PM

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oh vicksyConcern

queen heron Jan 4, 2024, 8:01 PM

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he's actually in Awakening! kind of!

grave gulch Jan 4, 2024, 8:02 PM

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he survived the reboot! vicksyBork

queen heron Jan 4, 2024, 8:02 PM

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On the black beach off Oroboros, the Old Man, called the Other, the Saint of Paradox and other things, rambles around a round hut made of skin and cloth. When he opens the hut’s flap you can never see inside, as the shadows defeat all perception. The Old Man is friendly, but a bit tired. He never uses force except to defeat violence in his presence, which he cannot abide by. He represents the Abyss, but not the mad-god majesty dreamed of by some Scelesti (for whom he, too, is a god), but the void with all illusions shorn, that one turns to out of desperation, ambition or gnawing curiosity. Nobody who ever goes in the hut comes out again, but nobody’s ever forced to go, either. 

As for the Other himself, age and dust conceal all signs of any particular ethnicity, but there’s something wrong with him, at the edges: monster’s footprints, screams echoing in his yawns, and teeth that look like tusks from the corner of your eye.```

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writers have talked about how the Old Man's design is a nod towards Voormas

grave gulch Jan 4, 2024, 8:06 PM

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the Chronicles mage lore is starting to feel a bit more interesting to me vicksySip

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maybe cause the old wod one just felt a tad too complicated to me vicksyDerp

heady kestrel Jan 4, 2024, 8:07 PM

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queen heron the Nephandi were the vibe-proginitors to the Scelesti

Nephandi became their own personal idea of the worst possible peerson

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I think

queen heron Jan 4, 2024, 8:13 PM

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queen heron getting so caught up in your own bullshit you change consensus yourself

ah, these guys were the Marauders

heady kestrel Jan 4, 2024, 8:13 PM

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yeah

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Marauders are guys who have some bizzare ideas now and make those ideas real
Nephandi are their own worst selves

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like a marauder would be on some shit like "everything rots nothing dies"

late goblet Jan 4, 2024, 8:15 PM

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nephandi were weird tbh

queen heron Jan 4, 2024, 8:15 PM

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funny enough, I've seen that last one used in Awakening for scelesti

late goblet Jan 4, 2024, 8:15 PM

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its a very interesting concept but it was handled kinda
ehhhh

queen heron Jan 4, 2024, 8:15 PM

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I like scelesti more

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but also never really saw Nephandi used in a game

late goblet Jan 4, 2024, 8:15 PM

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its because of the way they are described, imo

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its a cheap take on edgy evil mages

heady kestrel Jan 4, 2024, 8:16 PM

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I was inspired to do something based off the Nephandi in a non-mage way

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by making it hard to be That Bad

late goblet Jan 4, 2024, 8:17 PM

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i have an illustration from the infernalist book that perfectly encapsulates why nephandi went underutilized, but its nsfw

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nothing that bad its just very funny while trying to be edgy

heady kestrel Jan 4, 2024, 8:17 PM

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like they don't just get the easy way out where their old self ego deaths

they have to cultivate a supervillain persona that actively goes against basic moral concepts, but its just a persona and those mfs are constantly suffering for it

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and if their actual self is ever completly destroyed they become a demon

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was the dynamic

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and demons are completly unkillable, so in order to kill a demon all you have to do is make them human again

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Sorry, I just had this idea a while ago after reading about the Nephandi and wanting to use similar concepts and I haven't been able to share this

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the Aspiration To Ontologic Evil

grave gulch Jan 4, 2024, 8:50 PM

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so Nephandi create monsters and stuff?,

waxen onyx Jan 4, 2024, 9:48 PM

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grave gulch Jan 4, 2024, 10:10 PM

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Hi Mah

patent stirrupBOT Jan 4, 2024, 10:11 PM

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They are more like the Mage quavlent of a black spiral dancer, with there souls twisted perminataly by the wyrm

Cheese and Quackers ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161696306100715550 message) so Nephandi create monsters and stuff?,

grave gulch Jan 4, 2024, 10:11 PM

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that's a bit hard to understand

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could you i give me a practical example of what happens in a city once they became that?

spice abyss Jan 4, 2024, 10:15 PM

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Supervillain shit

patent stirrupBOT Jan 4, 2024, 10:15 PM

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Magikally caused nuclear meltdown of the local reactor, the local drinking water resavor becoming more poluted then the salton sea, a sharp increase in the number of formari in the city. it depends in part on what they were befoere the became a naphandius but mostaly it's just normal Wyrm thigns but done by altering local relaity to make them happen insted of like just dumping cehimals in the watter

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The Wyrm is the funtamental force of entropy and it went mad and wants to whipe the slate cleen

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Basicaly the stuff Pentax would spend milions of dolers and years to do but done by magic

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But the Naphandi are more of a secondary antagoniests in mage along wiht Marauders, with the tecnocracy being the main eanamy faction as it were

mighty zephyr Jan 4, 2024, 10:38 PM

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grave gulch maybe cause the old wod one just felt a tad too complicated to me <:vicksyDerp:1...

This is usually how things work in general ngl

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There's a lot of 90s foundation in owod that leads to weirdness (not affectionate)

patent stirrupBOT Jan 4, 2024, 11:03 PM

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there were 8 diferint game lines in oWoD, and some of them had contradictory information about how there shared univers worked

velvet sparrow Jan 4, 2024, 11:05 PM

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Were they ever even intended to be in a "shared universe"?

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I've heard conflicting things

late goblet Jan 4, 2024, 11:08 PM

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Yes, they are intended and they are

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The shared universe in question works fine, the info given about it is meant to be apocryphal

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Best sources are, imo, mages and demons

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Then werewolves, wraiths and fae

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Vampires are more so about history than metaphysics

clear delta Jan 4, 2024, 11:12 PM

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Nephandi have a whole thing about inverting their avatars towards Descension, making evil their aspiration.

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Wasn't a dev afraid of players using nephandic magic IRL?

clear delta Jan 4, 2024, 11:15 PM

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grave gulch he survived the reboot! <:vicksyBork:996566504311099533>

Yeah. I think dave brookshaw, a dev, said the abyss uses a character from the wrong universe as its aeon, because of how nonsensical, paradoxical, glitchy or whatever word he used the abyss is

clear delta Jan 4, 2024, 11:16 PM

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queen heron ```The Hollow Hut and the Old Man: On the black beach off Oroboros, the Old Ma...

Huh, thought people who entered the hut came out abyss worshippers?

patent stirrupBOT Jan 4, 2024, 11:18 PM

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That sounds more like CoD stuff then oWoD stuff

late goblet Jan 4, 2024, 11:19 PM

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clear delta Wasn't a dev afraid of players using nephandic magic IRL?

I think its a common joke that the reason mages rules are so vague is because one of designers was afraid of people using the rules to do magic, but irc its just a joke

clear delta Jan 4, 2024, 11:20 PM

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Ah cool

queen heron Jan 4, 2024, 11:20 PM

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patent stirrup That sounds more like CoD stuff then oWoD stuff

The old man, and the aeon stuff, is

late goblet Jan 4, 2024, 11:20 PM

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In russian speaking community we joke about his approach to rules like
"eh, who cares about rules - now, the important thing, is to have a good lunch"

queen heron Jan 4, 2024, 11:20 PM

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I think my favorite part of the Old Man

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is that the Cthonic Ocean has a mirror

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the beachcomber for the Ocean of Fragments, who picks throw its debris

patent stirrupBOT Jan 4, 2024, 11:21 PM

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It's true oWoD mage's rules were vauge to the point of debating the GM if you can or can not do a thing with you magic was kinda a core part fo the game

late goblet Jan 4, 2024, 11:21 PM

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Yea if your gm is a shitster imo

patent stirrupBOT Jan 4, 2024, 11:22 PM

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But also it is a gam of saying "i reject your relaity and substatue my own"

clear delta Jan 4, 2024, 11:22 PM

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queen heron the beachcomber for the Ocean of Fragments, who picks throw its debris

Oh, the crew of that ship, that currently looks like the titanic

patent stirrupBOT Jan 4, 2024, 11:22 PM

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we would disagrea with that wholehartedly

Eule (she/they/fae) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161696306100715550 message) Yea if your gm is a shitster imo

late goblet Jan 4, 2024, 11:23 PM

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patent stirrup It's true oWoD mage's rules were vauge to the point of debating the GM if you ca...

The real point of contention was the paradigm and "uhhh does your character actually believe they can do that? How?"

clear delta Jan 4, 2024, 11:23 PM

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The underworld is such a cool setting!

patent stirrupBOT Jan 4, 2024, 11:24 PM

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we are aware, Mage was the WoD game we played as a teen

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[Reply to:](#1161696306100715550 message) The real point of contention was the paradigm and "uhhh does your character actually believe they ca…

late goblet Jan 4, 2024, 11:24 PM

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Wto is done dirty by its rules tbh

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Stygia is such a cool setting

clear delta Jan 4, 2024, 11:25 PM

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Hmm. I have Shadow stuff, but don't have werewolf books like Predators

clear delta Jan 4, 2024, 11:25 PM

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late goblet Stygia is such a cool setting

Oh, meant cofd underworld

late goblet Jan 4, 2024, 11:26 PM

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I know

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I just like owod underworld

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Genuinely one of the best bits of the setting

clear delta Jan 4, 2024, 11:26 PM

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Hmm, gotta go through wraith 20th anniversary

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I know little of stygia

velvet sparrow Jan 4, 2024, 11:27 PM

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If you're talking about Wraith I'd feel remiss not to @rare swallow

rare swallow Jan 4, 2024, 11:28 PM

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Stygia is a great little collection of memories built upon the suffering of many souls being grinded by a heartless system that strayed from its original goal

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: )

late goblet Jan 4, 2024, 11:29 PM

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Its such a brutally edgy place but they actually pulled off doing edge good

rare swallow Jan 4, 2024, 11:29 PM

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Yeah, I love Wraith

late goblet Jan 4, 2024, 11:29 PM

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But then it didnt matter anyway since the system conceptually was very flawed

rare swallow Jan 4, 2024, 11:29 PM

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I feel like it's the most like capital P Punk splat in WoD

late goblet Jan 4, 2024, 11:29 PM

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Shame, i loved it

rare swallow Jan 4, 2024, 11:29 PM

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I still play it and make it work

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shrug

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As put in Bruva Alfabusa's video on WoD "Play it with your Priest, rabi, polycule, anyone you trust."

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It's a really rewarding experience when you play with the right people

clear delta Jan 4, 2024, 11:31 PM

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rare swallow Stygia is a great little collection of memories built upon the suffering of many...

... wow, that's a likely origin for the underworld in cofd.
They both sure are places of memories and grinding down ghosts.
And it's known that the rulers of cofd underworld can be replaced and change the place, and the past and origin of it are unknown, so being a system that lost its original purpose makes sense.

late goblet Jan 4, 2024, 11:31 PM

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Its also a very specific kind of experience

clear delta Jan 4, 2024, 11:31 PM

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Guess geist and wraith are both among the most punk

late goblet Jan 4, 2024, 11:32 PM

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clear delta ... wow, that's a likely origin for the underworld in cofd. They both sure are p...

Do note that stygia is not the only "dark kingdom" there is in owod

queen heron Jan 4, 2024, 11:33 PM

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clear delta ... wow, that's a likely origin for the underworld in cofd. They both sure are p...

Soulsteel in exalted is probably the most direct connection

clear delta Jan 4, 2024, 11:33 PM

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late goblet Do note that stygia is not the only "dark kingdom" there is in owod

Oh yeah, there are those that promise transcendence

queen heron Jan 4, 2024, 11:33 PM

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Oh I love the past of CofD's underworld

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originally it was a flat expanse of calm, endless water

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as more people get dragged into it, it gets bigger

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layers that build and build to prolong suffering

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instead of a peaceful oblivion

clear delta Jan 4, 2024, 11:34 PM

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queen heron originally it was a flat expanse of calm, endless water

Oh, yeah. But the origins of the rulers and the cthonians are unknown

mighty zephyr Jan 4, 2024, 11:34 PM

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I do love the idea of the Underworld being

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"No that's not YOU as a the ghost going down"

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"That's an exact replica of you that's born the moment you die to suffer horribly"

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"This is somehow worse"

clear delta Jan 4, 2024, 11:35 PM

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I mean, not like the soul is much you

late goblet Jan 4, 2024, 11:38 PM

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I mean in owod the soul was implied to be just straight up you

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Just, you know, if you do get to stay

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My condolences

clear delta Jan 4, 2024, 11:38 PM

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Oh, meant in cofd

late goblet Jan 4, 2024, 11:38 PM

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Good news tho!!

clear delta Jan 4, 2024, 11:38 PM

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The soul is weird there

late goblet Jan 4, 2024, 11:38 PM

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Youll likely be a coin anyway

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Coins dont feel much

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(stygian currency, obols, is more or less 1 person physically pressed into a coin)

queen heron Jan 4, 2024, 11:40 PM

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my favorite metaphor for cofds soul is that its the foundation, or a plot of land

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maybe some broad tendancies and preferences, not something that cant be replaced

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but if its not there? Everything collapses

clear delta Jan 4, 2024, 11:41 PM

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For humans

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Other creatures are fine without it

queen heron Jan 4, 2024, 11:41 PM

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Most supernaturals, tbh

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changelings directly experience the effects of a tattered soul

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mummies still have theirs, just claimed by the judges

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Stuff like Sin Eaters have a replacement to support their self

clear delta Jan 4, 2024, 11:42 PM

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And stolen souls still have a connection to the mind. You can access memories and skills through it

mighty zephyr Jan 4, 2024, 11:42 PM

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Deviant is EXPLICIT that whatever happened to you was so invasive that your soul was broken and cracked and your powers are the glue filled into the gaps

queen heron Jan 4, 2024, 11:43 PM

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yeah exactly

clear delta Jan 4, 2024, 11:43 PM

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queen heron Stuff like Sin Eaters have a replacement to support their self

I was including human adjacent being in needing the soul or a replacement

queen heron Jan 4, 2024, 11:43 PM

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I guess demons do fine without one

clear delta Jan 4, 2024, 11:45 PM

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They aren't of human origin

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Even if they get influenced. And may come to be human through attitude and identity

queen heron Jan 4, 2024, 11:46 PM

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theres a wild crossover plot

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demon trying to use Divine Fire to bootstrap themselves their own soul, in an attempt to reach hell

mighty zephyr Jan 4, 2024, 11:51 PM

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Man I gotta stat these fuckin

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Claimed........

heady kestrel Jan 5, 2024, 12:19 AM

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queen heron demon trying to use Divine Fire to bootstrap themselves their own soul, in an at...

I had a demon who was a tempter who's plan was using mages to try to go to the supernal realms

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but uh
he doesn't know about the issues with that plan yet

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 12:34 AM

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clear delta Oh yeah, there are those that promise transcendence

That's the thing right, Stygia was founded precisely on the premise of promoting transcendence, but it has been straying farther and farther from its goal

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And it's probably about everything but transcendence nowadays

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But yeah imagine the WoD underworld like the ocean actually
And memories are like that biological snow and other things that slooooowly float to the bottom

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Until they reach the labyrinth and oblivion, where they are forgotten forever

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Stygia is like a big island of memories that have clumped up together

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The shallow waters are the Shadowlands, abyssal zone is the tempest and the labyrinth and oblivion are basically the Challenger Deep
(Edit: confused some names)

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The further down you go the more those memories are degraded and the more alien and awful things lurk in the dark

clear delta Jan 5, 2024, 12:43 AM

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What are the other kingdoms? Think one was jade?

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 12:43 AM

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Jade, Ivory

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Obsidian

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And Wire

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I think there's 1 more but I can't recall

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 12:43 AM

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i was wondering

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idk if i asked this already but could i include the Abyss in old wod? or is it like...suoer incompatible?

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 12:44 AM

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Ivory is Africa, Obsidian is… well it is South America, but unfortunately the conquista also happened in it

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Wire is… another gigantic oof

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 12:44 AM

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vicksyAww it my friend Júlia

clear delta Jan 5, 2024, 12:44 AM

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grave gulch idk if i asked this already but could i include the Abyss in old wod? or is it l...

Don't see why not!

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 12:44 AM

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What is the Abyss in CofD

clear delta Jan 5, 2024, 12:45 AM

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Except the way it relates to paradox

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 12:45 AM

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Because OWoD has an Abyss also

clear delta Jan 5, 2024, 12:45 AM

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Since paradox is different in the gamelines

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 12:45 AM

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vicksyAww tell me about the OWoD abyss

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 12:45 AM

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And it's debatable if it is Oblivion or not, I headcanon that it is Oblivion

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 12:45 AM

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i mostly like the potential in creatures that can come out of the Abyss in the Chronicles

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 12:46 AM

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grave gulch <:vicksyAww:1191819830714703922> tell me about the OWoD abyss

I don't know much about it? It's a pit of blackness and nothingness and it has a voice that comes from it

clear delta Jan 5, 2024, 12:46 AM

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rare swallow What is the Abyss in CofD

Uh, think we had a convo explaining it. If I don't find it, I'll write up

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 12:46 AM

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I headcanon it as Oblivion because it just makes sense

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 12:46 AM

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what's your favorite WoD creature Júlia?

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 12:46 AM

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Hmmmm

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I'll be honest in saying I like changelings, I also really like the Kiasyd and Maeghar vampires

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Because they're creepy changeling vampires

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And the Kiasyd are related to one of my 3 favourite clans, the Lasombra

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 12:48 AM

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changelings? sounds about right vicksyAww

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the vampire clan i like most is the triclops one

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cause they don't feel like complete meanies vicksyLUL

mighty zephyr Jan 5, 2024, 12:49 AM

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rare swallow What is the Abyss in CofD

The Abyss in CofD is the "Non-Reality" that was either created or summoned when the Archons kicked the ladder of asencion down from under them

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 12:49 AM

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I like Wraiths but they're pretty boring in comparison
They're just dead people, they're not inherently weird or creepy

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 12:49 AM

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mighty zephyr The Abyss in CofD is the "Non-Reality" that was either created or summoned when ...

Ah, I see
Unrelated to OWoD Abyss then

mighty zephyr Jan 5, 2024, 12:49 AM

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Yeah

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A lot of CofD is similar terms but used differently

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 12:50 AM

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You'd probably have to rename one or the other to take that Abyss into OWoD

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Just to not confuse things
Or you could say they're actually related idk

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Anyways I gtg

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 12:50 AM

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bye Júlia!

clear delta Jan 5, 2024, 12:50 AM

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#900544429193060443 message

mighty zephyr Jan 5, 2024, 12:51 AM

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?

clear delta Jan 5, 2024, 12:51 AM

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That's the link. But you guys already answered them

mighty zephyr Jan 5, 2024, 12:52 AM

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Oh

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It just says Unknown and doesn't work for me

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https://i.imgur.com/qfsB8eb.png

Imgur

clear delta Jan 5, 2024, 12:52 AM

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Weird

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 12:52 AM

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indeed

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but it works

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for me

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hey Wax ur from Brazil?

clear delta Jan 5, 2024, 12:53 AM

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rare swallow Ah, I see Unrelated to OWoD Abyss then

Yup, the abyss is infinite and at the same time non-existent. Filled with stillborn universes and things that cannot be

clear delta Jan 5, 2024, 12:54 AM

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grave gulch hey Wax ur from Brazil?

Yes

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 12:54 AM

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vicksyHappy

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me hunter book arrived, they use "corpos frios" for blank bodies

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.w. honestly i think "nulo" sounds better

clear delta Jan 5, 2024, 12:55 AM

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Well, it's kinda funny. Imagine talking about vampires and calling them "frios" as a noun

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People'd think you're talking about your shopping list

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 12:56 AM

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xD yeah

mighty zephyr Jan 5, 2024, 12:56 AM

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What does Frios mean?

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 12:56 AM

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i mean... considering the purpose of the word it works but it's just a lot more boring lmao

clear delta Jan 5, 2024, 12:57 AM

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clear delta Yup, the abyss is infinite and at the same time non-existent. Filled with stillb...

The abyss is desperation and cynicism. You can get. People make deals with the abyss, because it offers the possibilities of what doesn't fit the rules of reality, what can't be

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 12:57 AM

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how do we explain frios? vicksyThink

clear delta Jan 5, 2024, 12:57 AM

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Or they're just people who stumbled on an abyssal being who made an offer

clear delta Jan 5, 2024, 12:58 AM

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grave gulch how do we explain frios? <:vicksyThink:996566524225663086>

Frios. Plural adjective for cold things. And noun for certain food items

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 12:59 AM

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@mighty zephyr vicksyAww

mighty zephyr Jan 5, 2024, 12:59 AM

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Ah gotcha

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like calling vampires "Cold Cuts"

clear delta Jan 5, 2024, 1:00 AM

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Some abyssal stories!
A bull wanders into the wild stepping on ants. He gets stuck on an anthill and is torn apart.
A man rips his lower half off and throws into a well. One leg separates itself and crawls up the well. The man, horrified at this thing he has no idea what it is, throws it into the fireplace.

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A girl is free to explore her house, except the locked closet. She finally gets bored and opens it, finding a mannequin that looks just like her. She runs all over the house, eventually reaching the closet again and hiding in it. The mannequin locks the door, calling her the mannequin

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 1:01 AM

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.w. oh god

clear delta Jan 5, 2024, 1:02 AM

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Grandfather lives with his four children, near a great wall. One by one, they wonder what's on the next side, and grandpa tells them to go look.
The first returns, saying there was light, but it was useless to him for he had no eyes. He fell sick and died.
The second spoke of music before his death.
The third spoke of time before his death.
The fourth was grandpa's favorite. So grandpa took a box and took eyes, ears and a clock.
The boy saw his grandpa and hears his voice for the first time, and realized how long they had live in that house at the edge of the world. He tore himself apart.

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 1:04 AM

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the wizards from chronicles deal with that stuff more commonly right?

clear delta Jan 5, 2024, 1:05 AM

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The abyss, in game themes, is also the price of mage's hubris. The origin of paradox due to reaching beyond your grasp or being careless with sleepers, and is the result of the old society of mages, erased from reality for their mistakes that allowed the Exarchs to gain so much power and reshape reality.

clear delta Jan 5, 2024, 1:05 AM

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grave gulch the wizards from chronicles deal with that stuff more commonly right?

Yes

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Not all mage adventures will have abyss adventures. But it's their thing

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 1:05 AM

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.w. i have the pdf for chronicles mage book

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i think i'll give that a read

clear delta Jan 5, 2024, 1:06 AM

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Oh, cool!

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The chapter fiction is good! Do check it out

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 1:09 AM

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i think i have all of the Chronicles books actually

clear delta Jan 5, 2024, 1:09 AM

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Poggers!

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Got a hold a chunk of books

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I like what I jave, but kinda wish I got werewolf stuff

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 1:11 AM

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vicksyNoted noted

clear delta Jan 5, 2024, 1:13 AM

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I like the other worlds. As you probably noticed

mighty zephyr Jan 5, 2024, 1:15 AM

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Okay

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time to make a fucked up Horse

late goblet Jan 5, 2024, 1:15 AM

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rare swallow Because OWoD has an Abyss also

I actually lean on there being multiple places known as abyss

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I do think abyss and oblivion are different

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I doubt demons cpukd survive in oblivion and ladlsombra merging with it would have pretty big implications

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 1:17 AM

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That's fair

late goblet Jan 5, 2024, 1:17 AM

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I do think lasombra abyss and demon abyss are different places, although it would make sense for them to be one in the same

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 1:17 AM

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Just gotta remember that things do seem to exist down there somehow, the neverborn come from within it after all

late goblet Jan 5, 2024, 1:18 AM

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You familiar with Grandmother?

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 1:18 AM

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From Orpheus? A little

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I haven't read much into Orpheus yet

late goblet Jan 5, 2024, 1:19 AM

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I didnt either, just skimmed through the lore since i dont intend on ever playing it

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Offered some interesting insights tho

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 1:20 AM

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It's what becomes of Oblivion after the 6th great maelstrom that destroys Stygia. Unlike Oblivion, it's an active force that seems to be more conscious.

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That's all I know

late goblet Jan 5, 2024, 1:20 AM

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as far as i got grandmother is a physical representation of the oblivion in the same sense wyrm is of entropy

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Except its kinda worse

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 1:21 AM

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Eeeh, both the Wyrm and Oblivion are entropy tbh

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It'd be just another representation of entropy

late goblet Jan 5, 2024, 1:21 AM

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Imo orpheus also establishes border between entropy (death, decay, rot) and oblivion (nothingness). They are still related as oblivion is a form of entropy, just a very specific one

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 1:22 AM

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Hmmm, that's where I'd say Orpheus strays from the original material then
Because it's said multiple times "oblivion" can be seen on things and the living as death, rot and decay

late goblet Jan 5, 2024, 1:23 AM

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Like corruption. Its a form of entropy, gets its iwn separate head.

Oblivion doesnt. Ecen ib wto, Oblivion is metaphysically separated to be a layer "deeper". It gets its own "banes", and it gets its own

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 1:23 AM

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Deathsight, an ability possessed by all Wraiths, allows them to see the Oblivion on all things, which translates to being able to see illnesses, etc

late goblet Jan 5, 2024, 1:23 AM

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rare swallow Hmmm, that's where I'd say Orpheus strays from the original material then Becaus...

Orpheus mostly elaborates on it

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Irc it does say directly that grandmother isnt a naturally formed spirit, but is instead an entity from a previous universe, coming to nom this one up too

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Hinted to be a "ghost" of it too

late goblet Jan 5, 2024, 1:25 AM

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rare swallow Hmmm, that's where I'd say Orpheus strays from the original material then Becaus...

I think thats because oblivion is still within entropy on the triat, and wrauth doesnt deal with the triat

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 1:26 AM

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Eeeeeeh
Wraith very specifically describes oblivion as a force of entropy that encompasses death, decay and corruption

late goblet Jan 5, 2024, 1:26 AM

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Mhm

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 1:26 AM

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Live very explicitly

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And

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Constantly

late goblet Jan 5, 2024, 1:27 AM

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The point i am making is that oblivion as a force is still distinct enough to behave separately from the usual wyrmstuff

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 1:27 AM

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Oh yeah, I'm not arguing they're the same

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Just that both are entropy

late goblet Jan 5, 2024, 1:28 AM

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Mhm

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 1:28 AM

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Just the Wyrm is a more active form of it
Oblivion is passive and very patient

late goblet Jan 5, 2024, 1:29 AM

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I do think oblivion is distinct by being more absolute

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 1:29 AM

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I think I'd use the word inevitable

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But yeah

late goblet Jan 5, 2024, 1:30 AM

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Entropy in itself is already inrvitable, and oblivion can canonically be avoided

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 1:30 AM

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It's also however very much contained in dealing with Wraiths and the underworld specifically, however
It did somehow create the Veil too
While the Wyrm tries to corrupt other realms too iirc?

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I know extremely little about the wyrm

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My 2 splats are Vampire and Wraith mostly, and I've been getting into Changeling and Mage. Very little interest in Werewolf, which touches on the Wyrm the most

late goblet Jan 5, 2024, 1:32 AM

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I think its not that oblivion only goes after wraiths, its that they are physically closer to it

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 1:32 AM

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The thing is, why would it be related to the Veil, which keeps Wraiths in

late goblet Jan 5, 2024, 1:32 AM

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Hence why when it swallows up the dark kingdoms, it starts actively invading the shadow and skinlands too

late goblet Jan 5, 2024, 1:33 AM

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rare swallow The thing is, why would it be related to the Veil, which keeps Wraiths _in_

Because of what the veil and oblivion are emotionally

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 1:33 AM

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Before oblivion showed up, Wraiths could move between the Shadowlands and Skinlands at will

late goblet Jan 5, 2024, 1:33 AM

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Its death. Cold. Hopelessness

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You cannot go back, and the despair of it is how oblivion swallows you up

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 1:34 AM

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Yes, as said it's intrinsically related to Wraiths and the Quick (people)

late goblet Jan 5, 2024, 1:35 AM

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Everything in the setting is, to be fair

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It might also be related to separation of physical world from umbra

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Semi related factoid

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There are direct physical paths from the Dreaming to the underworld

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Not back tho

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Additionally, any human legible to become a wraith, but dying within dreaming, doesnt go into the underworld. Instead, they become a special ghost - a Keremet

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It also happens to just enchanted people/kinain sometimes, accidentally or deliberately

mighty zephyr Jan 5, 2024, 1:46 AM

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what dread powers should I give this fucked up Horse

spice abyss Jan 5, 2024, 1:49 AM

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Obviously a bite attack of some sort.

mighty zephyr Jan 5, 2024, 1:50 AM

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grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 1:51 AM

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am i going to have demonic horse visions if i drink Absinthe in it's presence?

mighty zephyr Jan 5, 2024, 2:26 AM

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Oh

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Claimed don't get Numen

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that makes things relatively easy

clear delta Jan 5, 2024, 2:31 AM

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The claimed should remove the hooves, revealing fingers that make everyone else uncomfortable

spice abyss Jan 5, 2024, 2:34 AM

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Consider: hoove mouths.

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As in the front of the hooves open up for chompies.

mighty zephyr Jan 5, 2024, 2:55 AM

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Really funny concept

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just have it be a normal horse until it stands up

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 3:37 AM

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tell me cool vampire facts from Chronicles of darkness that i can steal

velvet sparrow Jan 5, 2024, 4:47 AM

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Daeva may have come into existence from the Dancing Plague of the 16th century

clear delta Jan 5, 2024, 9:46 AM

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The daeva are the social vampires in cofd, btw

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There were some vampires adapted to one of the poles. The hibernated during the day chunk of the year. Could get a bit of sustenance from corpses' blood. Could preserve the vitae of frozen blood, creating a supply.

clear delta Jan 5, 2024, 12:35 PM

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I thinl são paulo has been detailed as a setting?

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 12:36 PM

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Yeah

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 12:36 PM

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vicksyAww good morning

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i must stop heading to bed at 1 am

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 12:39 PM

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Sao Paulo is a Sabbat controlled city with a strong presence of the Black Hand

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Most of Latin America is Sabbat tbh, iirc

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 12:42 PM

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.w. oh shit

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 12:50 PM

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The stupidest but funniest thing about it all is that BOPE has a hunter division in lore

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 12:52 PM

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they do vicksyBork

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BOES

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 12:55 PM

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It's hilarious because every time I think about it, I think "what if Tropa de Elite, but WoD"

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 1:06 PM

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i think i heard some people say it's pretty much that lol

little light Jan 5, 2024, 4:18 PM

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clear delta I thinl são paulo has been detailed as a setting?

literally everyone I know who plays WOD games is brazillian

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this makes sense now

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 4:18 PM

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vicksyBork people here really like vampire

clear delta Jan 5, 2024, 4:19 PM

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Interesting

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 4:32 PM

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also i'm trying to figure out some campaign ideas for hunter vicksyThink

little light Jan 5, 2024, 4:36 PM

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grave gulch also i'm trying to figure out some campaign ideas for hunter <:vicksyThink:99656...

I’ve found either monster of the week or “Fuck this dude in particular” are good

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Either trying to whittle a vampire’s holdings and allies down until you can take them out or just driving around the countryside fighting stuff

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 4:39 PM

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i wanted to try and have a Salubri Vampire be friendly to the party

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vicksyAww that way they could have some easier info on blanks, they are usually hunted by other vampires themselves so that could be a good reason for the Salubri to want them as friends

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but how do i make them see it as a friendly vamp?

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 4:41 PM

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High humanity, salubri usually seek golconda and try to aid other kindred in achieving it
(I don't know much about golconda but it's a state of being in which a vampire is basically human again, but has to be maintained)

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 4:42 PM

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i see vicksyInspect i got a mini book with extra info on vamps since i got the deluxe edition of vampire, and in that book says they have been known to heal both Kaine and Kindred alike

velvet sparrow Jan 5, 2024, 4:44 PM

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Yes, but not necesarily because they're good or nice

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 4:45 PM

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vicksyBork either way they are hunted down by a lot of vampires

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so that feels like a fair reason for one of them to seek a friendly relationship with a hunter cell

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so i feel like i could make it work

little light Jan 5, 2024, 4:53 PM

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grave gulch but how do i make them see it as a friendly vamp?

First introductions mean a lot, maybe they are trying to spy on the vampire and see them saving a child from a moving vehicle or something

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 4:54 PM

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vicksyNoted good point

little light Jan 5, 2024, 4:54 PM

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Could go even further and have the vampire save them if a disaster happened while they were spying

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Like tailing them and they get in a car accident

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Its harder to stake someone who saved your life

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 4:56 PM

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i was thinking of that possibility too, since the salubri can heal people too vicksyNoted

heady kestrel Jan 5, 2024, 4:56 PM

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ya know being a Giovanni is wild because you have to come up with a whole ass scheme to feed due to the painful kiss

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 4:56 PM

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a hunt gone wrong and stuff

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Giovanni?

heady kestrel Jan 5, 2024, 4:57 PM

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one of the clans in old world of darkness vampire, unique in that it is also literally a group of families

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and their special vampire weakness is that their bite hurts

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so you have to come up with a whole scheme to feed or else your gonna be shot

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 4:58 PM

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oh yeah, that would make things harder on them

heady kestrel Jan 5, 2024, 5:00 PM

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Some popular ones include
Working at hospitals and stealing blood bags
Feeding on people who are asleep
Drugs, lots of drugs

velvet sparrow Jan 5, 2024, 5:01 PM

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Well maybe not lots of drugs

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Like, if you feed on someone, there's a chance that they might injjure themeselves fighting back against it

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Very tricky

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Supernatural part of them, too

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No way around it

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 5:03 PM

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Tbh Salubri are hunted by kindred of the Camarilla because of the Tremere.
The Tremere basically ate the whole clan and when they stole their spot in the Camarilla they started a huge propaganda campaign against the Salubri iirc

velvet sparrow Jan 5, 2024, 5:03 PM

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Ye

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And most Vampires honestly didn't like those goody two-shoes in the first place

rare swallow Jan 5, 2024, 5:04 PM

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The Salubri within the Sabbat have a deep hatred of the Camarilla and principally the Tremere for it

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They're not healers tho, they have the warrior version of the Salubri discipline

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Because clan salubri was divided in 3 castes; healers, warriors and seers

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Healers are the ones with Obeah nowadays, and warriors are within the Sabbat and have Valeren
Though in the past it was all Valeren

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Obviously the presence of the warrior caste within the Sabbat doesn't help with the whole Tremere propaganda thing for the healers.

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 5:20 PM

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indeed vicksyAww

queen heron Jan 5, 2024, 7:08 PM

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grave gulch also i'm trying to figure out some campaign ideas for hunter <:vicksyThink:99656...

I like having central themes or vibes, and connecting all the monsters based on that - even if their origins are different

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the most fleshed out hunter setting I’ve made was all based on “Dreams” - hunters might have to deal with stalking predators born of nightmares, surreally shifting liminal landscapes, morbid and prophetic dreams repeating theough the population, time and reality being a little ‘stretchy’, fae nobles on the hunt…

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not always literally related to sleeping but instead the vibes of being dream-like

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Monster of the week but with something to tie them together - its like the city itself has a flavor

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 9:18 PM

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got my d10 vicksyAww

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so i was considering doing the game in the "Fall of London" setting(i have the pdf for it) they have many details in how the city is in regards to vampire controlled territory and even a bit on werewolves

queen heron Jan 5, 2024, 11:09 PM

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does OwoD have any sort of 'true name' magic stuff in it?

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(asking because I remembered cofd had like 7 types)

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 11:15 PM

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what's that like?

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if anything i could just use that...you can use mages as enemies in the vampire book but you don't get a lot of details on them

clear delta Jan 5, 2024, 11:25 PM

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Hermetics have some weird thing with their over complex shadow names

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 11:26 PM

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also there's a rogue werewolf in hunter the reckoning called Russel Sharp or "Footpad" who's known to help out hunters from time to time

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mostly against vampires

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he's not safe to be around tho

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vicksyBork i didn't make that up btw

little light Jan 5, 2024, 11:29 PM

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grave gulch <:vicksyBork:996566504311099533> i didn't make that up btw

he is one of my fav npcs

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the fact he literally looks like wolverine

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 11:29 PM

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vicksyLUL yeah

little light Jan 5, 2024, 11:29 PM

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I want to have the players meet him if I ever run hunter

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 11:34 PM

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I'm thinking of having him show up too haha, he probably won't tho since London

velvet sparrow Jan 5, 2024, 11:35 PM

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queen heron does OwoD have any sort of 'true name' magic stuff in it?

Depends on the Mages paradigm

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Tremere can do funky stuff with it, cause they were originally Hermetics, who care about that stuff

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An Etherite isn't particularly likely to care about that, though

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Although, some Etherites might

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 11:51 PM

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ok

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here's a mage npc who just..creates guns

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he's also apparently really good with them

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he creates them when out of sight

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is that a specific kind of mage @velvet sparrow ?

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oh it said something about technomagic here, is that a thing?

clear delta Jan 5, 2024, 11:56 PM

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Just those traits?

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Yeah, lots of technomages, like etherites

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And the virtual adepts

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Other mage groups will dabble into it.

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I think only verbena have a significant section against modern conveniences?

grave gulch Jan 5, 2024, 11:59 PM

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he might be a rogue like the werewolf

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but yeah, he's a technomage then

clear delta Jan 6, 2024, 12:00 AM

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I mean

mighty zephyr Jan 6, 2024, 12:00 AM

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It's less "rogue" I think due to 5th having the vibe of a less globally connected supernatural community

clear delta Jan 6, 2024, 12:00 AM

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Guns aren't that high tech

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Conjuring guns

mighty zephyr Jan 6, 2024, 12:00 AM

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Werewolves are only "rogue" if they're actively making trouble for other Gaians

clear delta Jan 6, 2024, 12:00 AM

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Seems like something an hermetic or euthanatos would do

grave gulch Jan 6, 2024, 12:00 AM

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i see vicksyBork

clear delta Jan 6, 2024, 12:01 AM

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An euthanatos being able to conveniently get guns and ammo for assassination

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Though manipulating probability to get those is also a method

grave gulch Jan 6, 2024, 12:03 AM

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i see vicksyAww

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also

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i'll probably have to homebrew some stuff i think vicksyThink so i get some more variety on the vamps

clear delta Jan 6, 2024, 12:04 AM

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The traditions are interesting but the level of specific each has is variable

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The dreamspeakers and etherites are grab bags

grave gulch Jan 6, 2024, 12:05 AM

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what's a grab bag

clear delta Jan 6, 2024, 12:06 AM

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A miscellaneous collection

grave gulch Jan 6, 2024, 12:07 AM

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oh

queen heron Jan 6, 2024, 12:10 AM

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are the hollow ones a full tradition?

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they seem like the most grab bag

grave gulch Jan 6, 2024, 12:19 AM

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i'm so excited to run this

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u folks have no idea

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vicksyAww

velvet sparrow Jan 6, 2024, 12:28 AM

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queen heron are the hollow ones a full tradition?

Depends on edition, I think

grave gulch Jan 6, 2024, 12:39 AM

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before adapting the vampires from the masquerade into hunter i thought of taking a look at the couple of vamps they have in here

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.w. and one of them doesn't burn with fire apparently

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blood magic?

rare swallow Jan 6, 2024, 12:47 AM

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Blood magic

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What do you mean one of them don't burn with fire

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(I just repeated blood magic because blood magic is cool)

grave gulch Jan 6, 2024, 12:48 AM

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foxeetBonk

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well it's just the one vampire vicksyHmm he's immune to fire...doesn't burn

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i couldn't find any info on his clan

rare swallow Jan 6, 2024, 12:50 AM

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Oh a specific one?

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Is it Vlad? I know Vlad's a fucking weirdo

grave gulch Jan 6, 2024, 12:50 AM

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Efrain the luminous vampire

rare swallow Jan 6, 2024, 12:53 AM

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Can't find anything on that one

grave gulch Jan 6, 2024, 12:54 AM

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wish the mentioned why he's immune to fire, it just feels cheap now vicksyLUL

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ill just pretend he's a tremere and move on vicksyConcern

rare swallow Jan 6, 2024, 1:05 AM

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I mean

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What does it say about him

clear delta Jan 6, 2024, 1:08 AM

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Could be fortitude?

mighty zephyr Jan 6, 2024, 1:08 AM

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Tremere's can't be immune to fire

rare swallow Jan 6, 2024, 1:08 AM

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Because if it's blood magic related, he could be a Koldun, Way of the Fire has ways one could pretend to be unaffected by it
And Koldun are usually Tzimisce, very old Tzimisce.

mighty zephyr Jan 6, 2024, 1:08 AM

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Maybe he's just a freak like that

clear delta Jan 6, 2024, 1:08 AM

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Just, very high level fortitude

rare swallow Jan 6, 2024, 1:09 AM

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Or really high level fortitude

grave gulch Jan 6, 2024, 1:09 AM

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vicksyBork he freak then

spice abyss Jan 6, 2024, 1:10 AM

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Sometimes there's just weird shit.

mighty zephyr Jan 6, 2024, 1:10 AM

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I think that's a problem with oWoD is that it's hard to get people to accept "This guy's just built different"

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"he's just a freaky little man"

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"god forbid women break lore conventions"

spice abyss Jan 6, 2024, 1:10 AM

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Also, vampire is such a broad term.

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Eat life, be active mostly at night.

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Boom, vampire.

clear delta Jan 6, 2024, 1:11 AM

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Both versions of vampire just have them mutate in all sorts of weird ways

spice abyss Jan 6, 2024, 1:13 AM

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And Kindred have the audacity to call some things Not Vampires.

mighty zephyr Jan 6, 2024, 1:13 AM

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Werewolves are basically just gangrel

clear delta Jan 6, 2024, 1:14 AM

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A vampire genetics specialist would be interesting

mighty zephyr Jan 6, 2024, 1:15 AM

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That's the Ordo Dracul baby!!!!!!!

clear delta Jan 6, 2024, 1:16 AM

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True

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What are the vampires whose experiments horrify even ordo dracul elders?

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I can't remember which ones

mighty zephyr Jan 6, 2024, 1:21 AM

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Dunno

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the only really antagonistic faction from 1e Vampire was Belial's Brood

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who are the satanists vampires

spice abyss Jan 6, 2024, 1:22 AM

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mighty zephyr the only really antagonistic faction from 1e Vampire was Belial's Brood

VII

clear delta Jan 6, 2024, 1:23 AM

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It was, like, a bloodline? That is described as making even the ordo dracul elders pale or something

grave gulch Jan 6, 2024, 1:32 AM

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i think it won't be all that hard to adapt some of the specific vampires to the hunter game

late goblet Jan 6, 2024, 1:54 AM

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queen heron does OwoD have any sort of 'true name' magic stuff in it?

yes

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demons are bound by true names, for example, and you can summon or speak with one by invoking it

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mages can also use true name magic, usually represented with sphere of spirits or prime

late goblet Jan 6, 2024, 1:55 AM

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mighty zephyr I think that's a problem with oWoD is that it's hard to get people to accept "Th...

its a problem with fanbases of systems that are like 30+ years old imo

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warhammer also gets a lot of it except when it doesnt

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wod is like that too

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you have a bunch of stupid stuff in the lore but the moment you do something weird every grognard will cry their eyes out

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i had a vampire antagonist in one of my games whose whole gimmick is that he comes up at you during the day

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he was a hunter turned nosferatu, that promptly diablierized his sire and then joined sabbat, in a pack that specializes in hunting down other vampires

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his whole gimmick was that he mummified himself in black cloth, and then just went at his targets when they were asleep and sun was still around, orienting around with auspex and staying awake with willpower and hatred

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mummified himself

he did everytime he wanted to go out like that, wasnt like that all the time

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made for a really really scary antagonist

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especially since its not like he was a pushover if confronted during the night, dude killed his sire with bare hands, he can kill you too

grave gulch Jan 6, 2024, 2:07 AM

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btw vicksyThink what do Brujah do?

mighty zephyr Jan 6, 2024, 2:08 AM

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Rebel against stuff

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usually by punching it

grave gulch Jan 6, 2024, 2:08 AM

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fun vicksyAww

late goblet Jan 6, 2024, 2:12 AM

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Brujah are weird

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People play them either as raving rebeldls or the chillest people ever

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They are a bit inconsistent in portrayal

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WW insists that they have depth and are a clan of poets, artists, philosophers and were from the start of time

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But then portrays tgem exclusively as punk biker bros

mighty zephyr Jan 6, 2024, 2:38 AM

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also just weird because like

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"being rebellious is in the blood"

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what

clear delta Jan 6, 2024, 10:02 AM

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Also, anger issues as a curse

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The true brujah are weird. But temporis is cool

grave gulch Jan 6, 2024, 11:03 AM

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Temporis? vicksyAww

clear delta Jan 6, 2024, 11:08 AM

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Time manipulating discipline. Counterpart to celerity

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Tge founder of clan brujah had it

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The true brujah are cold and detached vampires who claim the founder embraced two rather than one vampire, abd they're the descendants of this other vampire, and believe they're better

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This angers the founder in the scenario he shows up. As he was forbidden from embracing, and the true brujah are claiming he made that misyake twice

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Seems there's no space manipulating discipline

grave gulch Jan 6, 2024, 11:23 AM

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vicksyThink weird

clear delta Jan 6, 2024, 2:22 PM

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So, trains being associated with journeys so frequently. I was thinking of mages running a train network with matter and space magic. And realized they could have a connection with that train in the astral realms, that is the realm of journeys

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And could be cool. Multiple supernaturals could make use of those secret subways. You could talk to them for information, observe their movements. Bunch of supernaturals could use the trains to reach the location of some meeting, for example.

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Also, it's a cool quick travel mechanic

rare swallow Jan 6, 2024, 2:37 PM

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May I recommend having a look at the midnight express from wraith for inspiration

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The train arrives at all of its stops exactly at midnight, breaks the laws of physics and comprehension and is just made of a multitude of carts from a bunch of different types of trains and rail vehicles

clear delta Jan 6, 2024, 2:50 PM

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Oh, the train from mage the awakening is also a midnight express

rare swallow Jan 6, 2024, 3:01 PM

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Awesome

clear delta Jan 6, 2024, 3:16 PM

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rare swallow Awesome

It moves across the soul of humanity. One ticket is for life, but you must pay the price with something valuable to you, that becomes dust in the real world. There are those who live in the train

rare swallow Jan 6, 2024, 3:27 PM

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Oh the Wraith one has no price, but the Ferrymen inside will try to promote the values of Transcendence at you

clear delta Jan 6, 2024, 3:32 PM

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Oh no. Station to station preachers

grave gulch Jan 6, 2024, 3:44 PM

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how interesting are the changelings?

clear delta Jan 6, 2024, 3:46 PM

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Yes

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Longer answer. Changeling: the lost is one of the most popular gamelines

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Of cofd

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The interesting story of trauma and abuse recovery, the weird and interesting supernatural powers and creatures

rare swallow Jan 6, 2024, 3:51 PM

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If Wraith is a bit weird because you have to think of a world that is very abstract (the Afterlife in WoD)
Changeling gets that and multiplies it by at least 2

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In OWoD

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In CofD it's different iirc

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Because you don't play as the fae, but as people cursed by the fae

clear delta Jan 6, 2024, 3:55 PM

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In changeling the lost. Arcadia is an horrifying incomprehensible realm. But there are rules to going there and fighting the true fae at their strongest.
In between arcadia and the human realm is the hedge. A twisting realm filled with strange plants and the hobgoblins, who run markets and stuff there. The hobgoblins are useful, but still inhuman being with their own interests.
The hedge also connects into human dreams.

clear delta Jan 6, 2024, 3:56 PM

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rare swallow Because you don't play as the fae, but as people cursed by the fae

Well, changelings are humans that became fae.
Fae in ctl are divided into changelings, hobgoblins, and the true fae, or gentry. The latter are mad self centered gods who kidnap humans

rare swallow Jan 6, 2024, 3:56 PM

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Ah I see

grave gulch Jan 6, 2024, 3:57 PM

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vicksySip

clear delta Jan 6, 2024, 3:58 PM

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The powers in ctl are primarily centered around contract

grave gulch Jan 6, 2024, 3:58 PM

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I find world of darkness so exciting, both WoD and Chronicles

clear delta Jan 6, 2024, 3:59 PM

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The powers are "contract of x". Which come from ancient deals with parts of the world, like elements, animals, mirrors and so on

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There's also a pactmaking system

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Though people seem to prefer its version in 1e.
For example, you may make a pledge when forming a party. You could make a deal to do some work for a human in exchange for milk, and that produces glamour, your magic fuel, which is what you actually wanted from the deal

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Pact may give you bonuses to perform the task.

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Changelings are very careful with their wording, to not be bound in unwanted deals. The Wyrd, a force of destiny, dreams and storytelling governing the fae stuff, may bind them for what they say.
So even when speaking to themselves or with non-fae, they're careful

grave gulch Jan 6, 2024, 4:05 PM

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fae are scary in my opinion

clear delta Jan 6, 2024, 4:05 PM

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Changelings suffer from issues in their sense of reality, represented by their Clarity stat

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It worsens as their mental health worsens

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Such as due to reminders of their trauma, or moments of vulnerability

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They're also good escape artists.

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Which fits. They don't want to be bound agai

late goblet Jan 6, 2024, 4:15 PM

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rare swallow If Wraith is a bit weird because you have to think of a world that is very abstr...

i think ctd is easier to get than wto

velvet sparrow Jan 6, 2024, 4:27 PM

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Eh, I'd say they're about the same, really

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They're both kinda the same thing but different, if you get what I mean?

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The Dreaming and Afterlife, that is

rare swallow Jan 6, 2024, 4:31 PM

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Makes sense

velvet sparrow Jan 6, 2024, 4:32 PM

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Actually, they're kinda opposites of the other, even

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The Dreaming is where things come from, the afterlife is where they go

rare swallow Jan 6, 2024, 4:33 PM

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Ooh yeah

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