Warhammer and Such

[pseudo shuttle]

whatever you call the wings on the chest of a space marine

[jaunty dawn]

burning fuel is affected by gravity, I guess

[quaint compass]

It doesn't sprays as much as dribble aggressively at the enemy

[charred bridge]

Fluid dynamics maliciously

[thin ibex]

cogforts are wild

what do you even do as a normal infantry guy

"hey the fort is assaulting our lines"

hope you brought siege weapons that can back up

[still warren]

By hitting it with 20-50 of your closest friends

[main pagoda]

you be gunthur brand and just win

via the power of protag

[jaunty dawn]

bring giant or dragon

or own cogfort

[thin ibex]

cogfort battles also seem like silly fun

the forts, they're... just pushing against each other

do we draw new territory lines where the cogfort fight ends?

[sour sequoia]

By the power of AoS math you can pretty much Just Hit It

Most destruction armies absolutely deck that thang

[thin ibex]

oh yeah i know in game you can just do that but i was more thinking in-world

a halberd doesn't do a lot to a castle stone leg

[sour sequoia]

Honestly that’s also in favor, AoS is even more calvinball than 40k

But god do I love cogforts

Its good the City Fortress Faction has City Fortress, it makes more sense than just being a buncha town guard

[thin ibex]

asking yall as aos players, how good is the cogfort actually? It seems like a real fun centerpiece

plenty of painting opportunity, and lots of real estate for people to modify, and for really advanced people to kitbash or scult add ons to

[still warren]

We dont know its points or wounds/save so tough to tell. It does seem good just from having an ability to transport a unit and give it +1 damage on its attacks for the turn

[thin ibex]

also seems like a rather big model

is it like, 40k knight scale or is it bigger?

or smaller

[sour sequoia]

160mm base its a fuckin monolith

[main pagoda]

depends on how extended its legs are but yeah bout the same

[still warren]

Oh do we know its base size? Just going off its price it looks comparable to a mega gargant

[sour sequoia]

They mentioned it’s the new biggest model in AOS, it’s a circle, its gotta match Teclis and Vhordrai

[still warren]

I really want to see the rules on the new grenadier models, got the spearhead rules for them but those are pretty obviously not gonna be close the full rules

[rocky shale]

The upgrade enhancements is such a good idea compared to 10ths

As much as the faction focus detachments are mostly super boring, I like a lot of the upgrades

[jaunty dawn]

being able to put a per unit cost on a detachment benefit is a really nice lever for balancing

[dense siren]

Oldmanyaoiposting: cryptek conclave is gonna be turned into one of the character enhancement detachments

Like the librarian and emperors champion ones

I don't think we'll get a scouting detachment, but if we do it'll probably only affect deathmarks and tomb blades

Please James 🙏 gimme a scarab spam detachment

Make them battleline

James I need this

My phaerons kinda homeless

[bright dove]

We can't just send Warriors into the mulcher James, we're even more functionally extinct than the Eldar

[marsh tree]

I made a custom chapter of transfem space marines

[desert jay]

Try and jam the pointy end into the mechanisms I guess

Oh and pray. There’s probably some praying in there

[main pagoda]

i think your best bet is to get close to it and board it

important dont be the first guy

[charred bridge]

You're not that guy

[main pagoda]

yeah you gotta let tod dick and harry be that guy

[rocky shale]

Ough

Cogfort is $210usd

Not surprising but I suppose I'll have to not impulse buy one

[main pagoda]

big model pricing

[thin ibex]

What's the lowdown on the 40k Mechanicus detachments for 10th?

Datapsalm seems super strong

[rocky shale]

Haloscreed and skitarii are the good ones iirc

[atomic apex]

Yeah

[reef pagoda]

does anyone know what this skull is of, all i can find is "chaos beast" in the description of the skull pack

[sour sequoia]

Skitarii Hunter Cohort, Haloscreed, and Eradicator Cohort are basically the only usable ones

Everything else is like truly abysmal

I don’t mean that in a competitive turbosweat way I mean outright playability

[thin ibex]

??? I feel like you have a different player pool, I've played and had a good time with the kastelan detachment, it just wasn't super interesting

Unplayable feels like a stretch

Bonus AP from data psalm seemed pretty good

Kastellan game was even a win for me, it was effectively just beating the crap out of stuff with boxing bots

On a threat overload skew list

[desert jay]

Reading someone's review, they think Explorator Maniple is the only unplayable one

[thin ibex]

I feel like community do got interesting ideas around what "playable" means

[desert jay]

And that Hunter Cohort is strong but hard for casuals

[thin ibex]

Holoscreed did seem fun though, being able to give bonuses to units every round

[desert jay]

It also notes that some of these have bad detachment rules, but the enhancements and strats make it still usable

Eg. Cohort Cybernetica, which they think has one of worst detachment rules ever, but very good stratagems

[thin ibex]

The unit itself does a lot of simple work for it

Mobs of twin linked punchers that aren't super easy to kill can do a lot of work

By no means am I saying it's a top tier detach, but unplayable just seems erroneous

I'm surprised data psalm is also potentially considered unplayable, is bonus AP so devalued?

[desert jay]

Bonus AP is good but it's to a narrow slice of units

And servitor battleclade didn't even exist until a year ago

[thin ibex]

Ahh I see

[main pagoda]

everything is playable in beerhammer once you leave that space it gets iffy

[desert jay]

Richard Siegler and Robert Jones think Data-Psalm is still playable, but if it said "skitarii" instead it'd be the best detachment in the army

[thin ibex]

It's just a thing that irks me a little when it comes to words and meaning. It's a big say to assert that in a non competetive setting, that wide a swath of options are entirely unplayble

Not good I can understand, but not good does not mean unplayable

[thin ibex]

People win with less than ideal builds all the time

[main pagoda]

forever holds true

[broken dew]

thank you Kirioth, very cool

[thin ibex]

Like people trash cohort cybernetica all the time, and it deserves a lot of its criticisms. It's certainly not competetive, but you bring a heavy skew list of high threat melee punch bots and vehicles and you will win a fair number of matches

Because a lot of lists aren't built to handle the skew, and skill level is variable in a non competetive situations

[main pagoda]

tbf that just is skew lists in general but the point is valid

[desert jay]

Explorator Maniple seems like it generally just sucks tho

Most of its rules are restrictive (revolves around one specific objective marker) for underwhelming reward

[main pagoda]

40k yters have the terrible habit of making me james workshops strongest warrior

[rocky shale]

Nothing is definitionally unplayable because you could play without detachment rules and still play the game. It's generally more like, there's barely any reason you would ever pick it over other options if you have any desire to improve your chances of winning.

I.E. It doesn't offer anything substantial enough to justify taking it.

[thin ibex]

its kind of a shame explorator maniple is what it is, its thematically what id run in crusade cause itd fit the purpose of the crusade force; but itd be a bit up hill

[thin ibex]

maybe its a me thing, but there is a definite difference between "You couldn't win or have fun with it if you brought it" vs "There aren't strong incentives to play this beyond flavor" when it comes to thinking about playability. Fun is obviously a moving target, but outside of trying to compete seriously, I think unplayability is a bit overstated

common min/max discussion topic of "if its not the best, its dogshit and trash" vibes

[desert jay]

Someone went 3-2 in a GT with Explorator, so it's not even unwinnable with :v

[rocky shale]

For example if you want to play deathwatch you can either use the blackspear task force (one of the best factions/detachments in the game), or Imperial Agents Alien Hunters (Ordo Xenos)

[thin ibex]

i figure the whole shtick to leveraging what explorator gives you is just getting a big fuck off shooting platform, like a full sized destroyer stack with a dominus, and have them on your home objective intended to blast stuff?

i could prolly get away with playing explorator in crusade when all my units are getting juiced with xp i suppose

and all my tech priests are building archeotech guns

[main pagoda]

crusade is an entirely different beast

[rocky shale]

IA Alien Hunters I'd argue as being unplayable given that it affects 3 datasheets consisting of a character, an aircraft, and oldmarine deathwatch vets, making it strictly worse than playing real DW

[main pagoda]

balance? never 'eard of her

[thin ibex]

is the trade off supposedly that you have wider access to more IA stuff on alien hunters? Except that the IA stuff isn't substantial enough to make up the shortfall?

[rocky shale]

Nope, because SM deathwatch can also ally in agents

And given that the Alien Hunters detatchment doesn't benefit any other models, there's no comparable downside to doing so

[desert jay]

The Inquisition detachments are all pretty rough

They focus on a small slice of a not-big army with limited options and no real army rule, they'd need to be juiced as fuck to shine

[rocky shale]

Imperialis Fleet would be one of the best detachments in the game on any other army. Veiled blade is nifty but not great, Hereticus has some dedicated sickos but it's pretty awful. Malleus is comically bad, Ordo Xenos is the travesty mentioned above and not worth the paper it's printed on.

[soft willow]

Fleet is really the only playable detachment for the faction if you intend to try it competitively.

The rest are fluffy and playble in situations where you can tailor, but they're rough at best.

[desert jay]

Yeah, Imperialis Fleet and Veiled Blade are juiced up, but the latter is only juicing 4 units that you can each only take one of

[soft willow]

I do want to try a fleet list with Kroyle out to see if he actually has juice sometime soon.

[rocky shale]

Malleus is hilarious because you have 4 strats that only work on Grey knight terminators which you can bring no more than 3x5 of and of the other 3, one only works on daemons, and the last is a sticky objective strat

From what I've heard Kroyle is amazing but not for what you'd think

[thin ibex]

fleet is one i want to try in crusade, cause it seems really ripe for story telling

[desert jay]

I think if I was writing IA for 11e it'd basically be "yeah you can take Hereticus/Malleus/Xenos as a 1-pt detach in another army"

[thin ibex]

especially if you bring an inquisitor AND a rogue trader

[rocky shale]

The gun is inconsistent and the buff is alright, but most importantly he's a lone op with 12" move.

[rocky shale]

VB takes #2 only because it has strats that actually work on most of the army (they just work better on assassins)

It'll be sick if you can take fleet +reworked VB

[soft willow]

Occasional hit buff, and zippy lone op is what I was hoping for.

The gun I would assume you can't actually get much value out of if your opponent plays well.

[sour sequoia]

Okay yknow thats egg on my face droppin the take and then bailing for afternoon shift @thin ibex so I apologize

[thin ibex]

Nah you're good

[sour sequoia]

The problem with most admech detaches is they just really don’t affect that many units period outside those 3 I listed—nothing in AdMech is all that tough either, punchbots and destroyers can be very effective statchecks but they’re missing pieces to keep them playing smoothly or cost a lil too much points to be worth a full focus on IMHO.

Cohort Cybernetica is playable for sure, so is datapsalm, but legitimately both are made redundant by what haloscreed can do for those units (and still being able to crank the rest of the army to hell and back too)

[rocky shale]

The gun will occasionally be funny and obliterate a primarch or a nids player I guess, but even the threat of its goofy ass rule will probably make the average person misplay around it

[sour sequoia]

Explorator and Rad Zone are genuinely quite bad and I’ve not seen anybody manage fun with them

Those detaches are on par with trying to make agents work, people think they’re funny/clever and then remember even fast games are 3hrs of your life and even cheap armies are. Quite a lot of money

[rocky shale]

I just primed 30 subductors yesterday, send help 🥲

[soft willow]

Yeah you use it as a threat the first couple of turns rather than getting killing value out of it.

[soft willow]

Only the Emperor can help you now.

[rocky shale]

I play eldar and CK, I need agents to balance out my karmic debt

[sour sequoia]

Imperialis fleet is legit good

Its just that what the crowd I’m talking about wants is not what imperialis fleet offers

The people I am talking about should play ultramarines or knights and call it good lmfao

[rocky shale]

Ah yes, people who think cop jail isn't the peak of 40k gameplay

[sour sequoia]

You will infiltrate 60 wounds of 4++ and deepstrike another like 120

And you will sit on the points until judgement day

You will kill maybe 3 units

[rocky shale]

I wish it was 60 wounds...

[desert jay]

Rad-Zone seems much better than index detach, but it also front loads a lot of its value and seems to have swingy matchups

Also that the 1 CP strat to give a 6" advance to two units is good

[rocky shale]

Precodex inquisitorial henchmen were actually goofy being 2W, 2 OC with -1 to wound from being led and like a 5++ from a daemonhosts

[rocky shale]

If you use the crucible rules you can make the baby chair inquisitors voidfarers and then deep strike 3 of them with one enhancement

[desert jay]

Also, possibly very funny extension of this: Inserting 2-pt Fleet into another army (with their own 1 pointer)

[rocky shale]

Which is basically still the least broken crucible rules

[sour sequoia]

Crucible stuff is kinda really funny cuz even if it was competitively viable basically none of it matters when they can’t take enhancements

[thin ibex]

Anecdotal but I made radzone work and it was pretty fun, did a big infiltrate list to stuff my opponent near their dz for as long as possible. It was gimmicky and inconsistent, but I had a good time. So that's at least 1 to you're list

[sour sequoia]

Best option across all of it is like, the tau bitch with 4 railguns

[rocky shale]

The 3 character deathshroud unit is also crazy

[mental birch]

Hunter the strongest second is Dronekink Haloscreed

[pale narwhal]

The 4 heavy rail rifle broadside character is very funny

[mental birch]

I am normal and can be trusted with 4 heavy rail rifles for 120 points

[thin ibex]

Only reason I didn't touch that in my crusade list once crucible came out is it felt too meme-y and I'm already running a tau nar

I do have the I've that makes every railgun in a pathfinder squad 2 shots though

Abs they gave a rail rifle too

So it's like 8 rail rifle shots with rerolls

[mental birch]

Ifnore that the going rate is 80 points for 2

[junior summit]

iirc it maxes out at 3 HRR

[thin ibex]

I do feel like radzone is like... 1 or 2 degrees away from being pretty cool

[desert jay]

It'll be really funny if it suddenly becomes top-tier with lingering bshock

[sour sequoia]

Lingering battleshock promises a few things become fuckin obscene tbh

Rad zone is actually pretty solid with that. Just run 30 infiltrators lmfao

[thin ibex]

11th gonna be the night lords and cknights edition

Bshock all day

[sour sequoia]

Plague Legion is probably more egregious than both of em

But nightmare hunt does get scarier by far

[rocky shale]

CK maybe considers something other than T1 darkness but probably not

[little bay]

tyranid perhaps?

[still warren]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/a0rblnjj/cities-of-sigmar-faction-rules/

They brought back crits (mortal) for the warforger

[marsh tree]

No more race keywords for Cities!

[floral herald]

That’s good the cosmopolitan racially segregated army was a lil weird

[still warren]

because it's only imperial guards and abhumans now or they're using sigmarite as a catch all hopefully the latter

[pastel rampart]

I love the door giants.

[marsh tree]

Agreed. My worry is that they'll make it only humans

Fingers crossed that we get more Iroweld Arsenal and other subfactions later

[still warren]

Looks like a lot more added mobility for fussilers, split the -rend to being under orders not if you havent moved

[main pagoda]

thats already happened

[marsh tree]

I mean that we won't get new non-humans later

Fusil-major and the gate gargants give me hope

And they mentioned city dwarves in one of the cogfort articles

[main pagoda]

i reckon they will just keep the non humans to lore only

[marsh tree]

I sure hope not

[still warren]

They're kinda in a bad position using old world models still and they havent said anything about getting aos specific city dwarf and elf models

[marsh tree]

Yea :(

[pastel rampart]

They could very much use a line refresh but I wonder how much that'd steop on TOW's toes.

[main pagoda]

not much

very different design types

[marsh tree]

They've made a lot of mentions of the Ironweld Arsenal

So that gives me hope that we'll get more Cities subfactions later down the road

[jaunty dawn]

I mean the thing is a line refresh means they get to move away from the whfb designs

like yeah ironweld arsenal dwarves

it would also be cool if the aelves were like. not forced to be dark elves just cause that was all that was left at the time lmao

like ah yes the iconic aelf character is a sorceress who uses her underlings as sacrifices

I'd really prefer mixed squads honestly (something ironically only found in chaos from a couple of warcrow bands) but I doubt we'll see that

[thin ibex]

Would be cool to see a squad that has like a front rank of dwarves with a line of humans behind and an aelven standard bearer

[jaunty dawn]

I have no bandwidth for the project at all but I really wanna cover a cogfort in vines for my dormant living city army project 😭

I've been playing warcrow which is unabashedly a warhammer fantasy expy and their empire has elves and dwarves in it. they're seperate squads there too

but at least they made sure to represent that aspect starting from the initial force releaseee

but like in all fairness I do get and agree that order humans didn't exist while order elves and dwarves do and that's why they did it this way but still

[rocky shale]

You can now split attacks from the same weapon

[tired cairn]

I think that makes sense

I hope this also means they split blast into the cleave part and the danger close part

Oh. Bah, sounds like it's specifically the close combat version of blast

[junior robin]

finally, tickler primaris lieutenant

[hallow star]

https://youtube.com/shorts/lPyuLTVsr1I

this made me realize how probably the population only knows the big burly dudes in armor as emperors angels

and it would be hard to tell unless some high commander or a well versed commisar can spot the heretic ones

[bright dove]

Until you see the real bad mutations

[hallow star]

yeah like the video said

"Flayed skin, that could be like, 3 or 4 different chapters"

"The nails in the skull? odd but that could be... dunno, mechanicus stuff"

[bright dove]

Blood crazed lunatic? Son of Sanguinis

[hallow star]

Sees the literal pile of corpse goo

"Ok what the fuck is that?"

[bright dove]

"Wait what's that smell?"

[hallow star]

ignoring the fact that if different chapters are in the same planet

and they are working together

then some

REAL

shit is going down

[jaunty dawn]

that's what you have heralds for

study for decades so they can look at a banner and know who it belongs to

[hallow star]

"Wait, that is our old banner"

[jaunty dawn]

if the banner says they descend from a legion that turned traitor that doesn't exist, then they're baddies

now you may ask why they would even bring a banner; its the same reason all astartes do it, if they don't their power armour goes on strike and they become statues

...that's probably a desertion countermeasure, now that I think about it

[main pagoda]

also quite a good rallying point when shit goes tits up

[jaunty dawn]

Csm are weird in that they have rules for squad banners but not a character banner

[hallow star]

we need the promotional shot

[jaunty dawn]

But the cultists do

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/735679742048469082/1502316088384557206/image.png?ex=6a048a63&is=6a0338e3&hm=a6a7c316992b007464ad7d4b42d2e934d78027431d2b3af14aa32a72c8732910&

[runic swallow]

Skaven insurance is just a mob protection racket, except instead of tossing a Molotov through your shop window they undermine the building’s foundation

[desert jay]

Sisters were yesterday
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/1zvyawig/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-adepta-sororitas/

Weaters today
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ujj4g76g/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-world-eaters/

[raven meteor]

I have always loved those Fucked Up Things khorne dudes ride
I've looked them up before but their name is incredibly forgettable

Especially the heavy duty ones with the chainaxe horn

[little bay]

"you're kind off staring down four astartes as a human"
"FUCK IT WE BALL" noises of lasgun fire and death

[main pagoda]

juggernauts

really sick demon mounts

[raven meteor]

Also- yoooooo
Sacresants 🥺
And fighting world eaters, too
The idea of an Unenhanced Human elite melee unit has always been so cool, I love them so much
Power armor, big mace, and a dream
Go smash open that transhuman death machine

[raven meteor]

Wait..... huh.....
The existing detachments are meant to be used in tandem with these as 2 pointers
So
Sacred Champions, and Champions of Faith??
It seems like Sacred Champions is supposed to like
Be an 11e version of CoF tho

[dense siren]

You can't take sacred champions with "reverend" detachments, so you probably won't be able to combine them

[raven meteor]

Ahhhhh

[desert jay]

But we also haven't seen what tags would be applied to any non-featured detachments at all, so it's all guessing

[raven meteor]

It would make sense to not allow the two detachments that are 'buff sacresants' to stack tho
Or rather
Since stacking the buffs themselves on sacresants wouldn't do a whole lot aiui you'd take an army with lots of sacresants and, say, lots of paragon warsuits and use your CoF buffs on the paragons rather than the sacresants

[thin ibex]

oh the pistol jump packers for the sisters, are they a damage piece or just a mobility/objective and harassment piece?

[sour sequoia]

The video mentions weaters getting a -1 damage to shooting stratagem

Be Afraid

[thin ibex]

Ah, gonna need to bring a lot more damage 1 or 3 dakka

Riptides still gonna eat good i guess

[jaunty dawn]

Lil bit damage cause they get 4 inferno pistols

[raven meteor]

Usually you see hand flamers, right? I do love inferno pistols tho

[jaunty dawn]

Oh maybe

I lose track

But yeah maneuverable objective doers

Mainly

Were the inferno pistols nerfed to 6” range in the codex or from the beginning of 10e?

[thin ibex]

no idea, but i remember them being so short range that you cant shoot em out of deep strike

[pulsar cairn]

ooooh i remember seeing a mini just like that in AoS!

[main pagoda]

yeah skull crushers are basically the same thing

[quaint compass]

Everyone loves and gets the juggernauts

[stark cypress]

From my doll shoots

[pastel rampart]

Printing a retro land raider from Doctor Spork and it is a BIG BOY

[stark cypress]

Whoa

[floral herald]

huh

I only just noticed the old school land raider lacks a front ramp

[pastel rampart]

Sure does!

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/retro-space-knight-heavy-apc This model, for the record. Prints out real nice but I suspect it's bigger than the actual RT-era model.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/f/f8/Harlequin_Land_Raider_1989_Fantasy_Miniatures_pg_2.jpg well okay maybe not that much bigger, hm.

[thin ibex]

You don't actually get out of the old land raider

[pastel rampart]

It does have side doors.

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah in horus heresy retrocanon its the land raider explorator

Where part of the transport capacity etc is made up of recon hardware

[pastel rampart]

When it first came out it had the title "Hellfire Land Raider" which despite the name didn't have any flamers, just the usual lascannons and heavy bolter.

https://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2016/4/18/793513_sm-1988%2C Chapter Approved%2C Copyright Games Workshop%2C Retro Review%2C Rogue Trader.jpg

Note the infamous deoderant tank!

[floral herald]

Need that

[pastel rampart]

MAIM

http://puu.sh/KMXrY/fa1bbe30ff.jpg

Ah here's a better shot

[floral herald]

hahaha yes

[sour sequoia]

Beautiful

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/KMXt6/ec184cff3e.jpg

[jaunty dawn]

Ferrus manus but instead of necrodermis hands he has wraithbone

[misty violet]

Alt 40k idea formulating

[tired cairn]

I finished my Deathleaper :V

[tired cairn]

Since Tyranids are hyperadapted predators, do you think they evolved/engineered some of their bioforms to have digital camouflage?

[thin ibex]

Well that kind of entirely depends on if the digital camo was an effective adaptation to a problem. Short answer is it's possible

[raven meteor]

In 40kverse I imagine they just have light refracting chitin or 'make you forget you saw them' pheromones, but hey if you want

[thin ibex]

I figure you get theatre specific color and camo patterns

[jaunty dawn]

So strictly speaking no, because digital camouflage refers to computer generated patterns and tyranids dont use computers

And I think the pixelated look is also kinda a manufacturing thing

Afaict

[valid brook]

There’s some leeway in common usage because you often see stuff like Soviet « stair step »/spetsodezhda or DualTEX referred to as digital even though no computers were involved

[jaunty dawn]

I think maybe the best chance of it happening would be colour changing tyranids copying a digital camo

Like how you can get a cuttlefish to show a qr code

[valid brook]

So the ur-example of digital camouflage is CADPAT (and a huge of modern patterns are either direct descendants or loose copies) developed in the ‘90s and it’s my understanding that the size of the « pixel » used was a compromise between software resolution, fabric printing hardware, and the need for small irregular shapes to create the desired dithering (ie. visual blending) effect.

CADPAT pixels are not all square and some of them are quite small (couple mm a side)

[little bay]

they're on a deathworld

[pastel rampart]

And done.

[still warren]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/m2dw9uao/cities-of-sigmar-rules-new-units/

That's a nasty objective holder

Especially with a 5+ ward save

[tardy vault]

Especially with crit auto wound from their terrain

[pulsar cairn]

are the big lads ogres?

[still warren]

Those are gargants, ogres are these guys

[pulsar cairn]

neat

so you also have ogres that are part of the empire?

or is this one just a mercenary?

[still warren]

They live in cities bit different from old world ogres who are mercenaries

[pulsar cairn]

cool!

old world ones were kinda mean .w.

[tired cairn]

Oh, huh. I thought the non-smooth shapes was part of the benefit. Something about the human brain actually being bad at looking for them because it's not natural

[still warren]

These are also kinda mean, they're not above making someone a snack in the middle of a fight

[jaunty dawn]

City ogors and city giants etc

Tax paying citizens

[quaint compass]

poor bastards

[pulsar cairn]

btw

question about the redeemed in AoS

the ones who become stormcasts

do they fight out of loyalty for being redeemed or do they not really have free will?

[upper canopy]

They have free will, seemingly

[pulsar cairn]

i see

so nothing like the indigo lanterns from dc comics

[main pagoda]

stormcast are abit weird in that regard

some seem to have free will while others are essentially blind zealots

[jaunty dawn]

Free will to be blind zealots

[pulsar cairn]

i asked that cause i was wondering if they being redeemed was simply them being enslaved again but to a different master

[rocky shale]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/jmtd7k9g/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-tau-empire/

[tired cairn]

They probably become more blind zealots as they lose their memory? Or at least past the point where they lost enough of their memory they no longer worry about losing it

[pulsar cairn]

oh yeah that's a thing right?

they lose their memories more and more as they die

[tired cairn]

Yeah

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Bluesky · May 13, 2026, 8:23 AM

I wonder how much +3" detection range will actually matter

[mental birch]

Hahahaa

I see gw dont want us stacking battlesuit memes

[little bay]

always freeze your heretics so they don't go insane

[pastel rampart]

science division

https://tenor.com/view/half-life-im-with-the-science-team-gif-27243004

[mental birch]

GW: we cant have people have fun staxking this with retaliation cadre

[sour sequoia]

I think legitimately the only reason tau aren’t getting giganerfed already is the vast majority of the player population existing to crisis suit meme

Montka is an 800lb elephant in the room that they have not addressed lmao

[rose hill]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXPDsE6O31I

[runic swallow]

Is this the one that has multiple (intentional) rules errors?

[mental birch]

Tau players and playing every single mech over the superior army

[sour sequoia]

I’m not even saying dont run mechs I’m saying run 20 breachers with devilfish n fire blades and a mere 14 mechs

[valid brook]

So the brain is actually very good at picking out things that don’t « look natural »; we’re great at identifying when one thing in our visual field doesn’t match up with everything else.

[pale narwhal]

Breacherfish are my absolute go-to for the core of any list tbh

[mental birch]

Objectively theyre the best

But the call of retaliation

[thin ibex]

breacherfish feel good because its still shooting, its aggressive, tis fast, and still feels tau

I do however

feel the need to have more railguns than is ever competetive

i like the railhead a lot

also railsides have done right by me frequently

[pale narwhal]

railsides are very solid

I haven't played a ton in the tail end of 10e (been focused on killteam which I also find I'm enjoying considerably more) but they've done very well in every game I took them in

[sour sequoia]

Railsides keep tau competitive into the era of triple repex and ctan and defilers

They’re very very good

[thin ibex]

I fully accept I'll never compete because I won't triptide and like railheads. My railsides are a mainstay in any edition and in any detachment

I'm also never gonna be competetive cause the hbc looks a million times better than the ion gun

[rocky shale]

Secret tech: model the gun that looks cool then tell your opponent that its whatever gun you want

[jaunty dawn]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/fonzhtcp/colour-us-surprised/

People are being extremely normal about this

[tired cairn]

lol at the Ork Biker reveal casually put in there

[main pagoda]

Aw hell yeah

[pale narwhal]

I'm... in two minds about this. It's cool to be able to have prepainted terrain for those who want it but it's probably going to be accompanied by an increase in price. Because terrain wasn't expensive enough already

[soft willow]

I mean, I think there's a clear market for pay more now to not spend time painting your terrain.

[stark cypress]

I can see this being for starter sets/campaign boxes.

But for everything? Nah

[jaunty dawn]

Id assume the opposite

Like this is probably just gonna be its own product

Not in kill team boxes n the like

[thin ibex]

im honestly surprised they aren't trying to get in on the aftermarket pre-painting market too, as i see ads for that all the time

[jaunty dawn]

My thing is gw terrain is already the expensive option so having a more expensive (yet significantly less than comission painting) option is nbd. However the complexity of the painting required is like the #1 thing ppl dislike about gw terrain when they get it

Its ridiculously detailed and the concept of actually painting a full board of it with all the details is tedious and fiddly

[main pagoda]

i will say this is probably designed for the LGS/tournament organiser crowd rather than your average hobbyist

[jaunty dawn]

But yeah theres a big conspiracy that the miniature and paint manufacturing company doesnt want you building miniatures or painting them

[floral herald]

There is?

Wait is this weird chud twitter posters again?

[jaunty dawn]

Ig and yt comments

Idk why I do it to myself

[main pagoda]

its good to remind yourself that the 40k online community is largely insane

[tired cairn]

There are a few other companies that offer this type of product

I don't know how well the tech works on things that are not essentially rectangles

[floral herald]

I’m gonna pretend this is about having crazy online communities

[tired cairn]

lmao

[jaunty dawn]

The examples they showed were fairly impressive

Like individual wires on a big mass of cables

[tired cairn]

Lots of companies get that for free!

[tired cairn]

Oh yeah, the tech is very impressive. But I suspect there is a reason it's used on only greebled rectangles (afaik) right now you know?

[jaunty dawn]

Yeaaah kinda

Idk its funny cause its a technology whose defining feature is irregular geometry but its more of a silhouette thing

Like I dont think it can do overhangs

But aiui its done on the sprue

[tired cairn]

This is a different company that I suspect is using the same or similar tech to GW: https://archon-studio.com/blog/archon/prismacast-a-revelation-in-rpg-terrain-market

[jaunty dawn]

So the plastic is already set up for the same constraint

[tired cairn]

Yeah, that's true

[sour sequoia]

This terrain move is 100% a thing for TOs and event orgs

[main pagoda]

i dont put much stock in what im about to say but i wonder how much of this might have been influenced by GTs etc using the woodcraft terrian thats looks abit naff

[sour sequoia]

Oh 100%

its been one of the biggest complaints, but its a logistics thing without a solution besides MDF/plexiglass terrain and GW’s comp terrain set only being able to make half their own terrain layouts, as well as continually being OOP, layouts changing yearly, etc

We can’t shell out $300 per table per year to keep up

[tired cairn]

Eh, I think there is demand by non-Tournament players

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah gw terrain doesnt last around very long

[tired cairn]

Well, pre-painted terrain is not going to fix most of those issues

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah really

Cause cost mostly

I think the new footprint thing is a big step forward though

[sour sequoia]

GW did say their dimensions are not gonna change for the duration of the edition

I’d be down to buy a set per edition, its annoying but its way more reasonable

[jaunty dawn]

Its not a hardline between to and player though like players bringing a table is a thing and this makes it easier for players with the resources to do so. Or rather, to do so while lining gw's pockets rather than someone elses

[sour sequoia]

^^^

[jaunty dawn]

Which like is just competition not saying otherwise

[tired cairn]

There is the GW tax, but the additional cost of it being pre-painted might not be that much. For Archon it's like $70 vs $80 (I think USD?) for one of their sets

I do wonder if GW will split it into pre-painted and bare plastic versions though

Oh, ha, you know another reason this probably won't be coming to miniatures anytime soon: GW terrain is done in China and that's probably where these printers are

[jaunty dawn]

I think itll be a new terrain line and theyll go from there as the demand shows up

Cause I dont think the stuff they showed was an existing set iirc

[tired cairn]

Oh, yeah it's definitely a new set. But I'm curious if they will release two versions of the set or if it will only be pre-painted

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah probably the latter at least to begin with

One concern Id have is the kits kinda need to be designed more carefully in build quality for the process to not muck up the paint job

If you want to be able to hide seams and sprue connections n stuff

Could be push fit like the aos starter stuff 🤔

[tired cairn]

Yeah, GW stuff alternates between "wow that's an amazingly clever way to hide mold lines etc." and "you put the connection there to make me suffer didn't you". Often on the same model

It's a lot easier on building style terrain though. Plus aiui they use black plastic to better hide the cutoff points

[main pagoda]

well the thing is actually painting the terrian will take time so it will probably be made to order or something

[tired cairn]

It's more like printing then painting

I mean, I assume. But I doubt that GW is having people manually paint stuff and instead using a neat printer thing

[rocky shale]

It's a form of printing yeah

[tired cairn]

(see the PrismaCast stuff I linked above)

[pulsar cairn]

you think tzeench would be angry if all his followers were Ogryns?

[rocky shale]

He works in mysterious ways

[tired cairn]

Maybe he'd be delighted at the Orgyns being constantly surprised at the twists and turns of his plans. Even if there is no current twist or turn

[pulsar cairn]

true

[thin ibex]

Its a toss up. Ogryns disengaging the moment the plot becomes too complex, so the big payoff is always flat, vs complete and total surprise and mystification at every twist.

Tzeentch "And it was blue the whole time!!!!!"

Ogryn: "Uh-huh. That... bad?"

[bright dove]

"Does that change the flavor?"

[tired cairn]

<bone'ead that is just smart enough to know when to clap on seemingly irrelevant reveals>

"I dun't see that one comin, sah"

[pulsar cairn]

[tired cairn]

@floral herald you've noted how somewhat surprising it is that World Eaters have notably good apothecaries. I've been reading a fanfic Khorne-society and how it might be functional, and the explanation for why that society has good healthcare is that they wouldn't want Nurgle to get a win. Which I feel might also apply to WE

[floral herald]

Lmao that’s great

it counts as blood flow when you lyse bacteria with antiseptics so get cleaning

[tired cairn]

It's a major controversy if hospitals should staunch bleeding lol

[soft willow]

Fabulous Bill apparently trained a fair number of WE apothacaries too.

[jaunty dawn]

Khorne cares not from whence the cytoplasm flows

[sour sequoia]

Khorne becomes a very weird god whenever you investigate it cuz he sure as shit wont let you starve or get sick

AoS is very upfront about him being the god of righteous wrath n justice too

[tired cairn]

Also unrighteous wrath I imagine

[quaint compass]

Khorne cares not for which direction the blood flows - Buther-Surgeons on transfusions

[bright dove]

Look, a warrior dying is only one death. If you stop him from dying, he can go kill more people

More people dead = More Skulls = Happy Khorne

It's similar to the reasons he churns out good forgemasters too

[quaint compass]

That's just because he enjoys trains

[bright dove]

Loves trains

Tzeentch keeps thinking he's done a novel transportation system, and each time Khorne gets to say "lol, lmao. You just made trains again"

[upper canopy]

Khornate plastic surgeon

[quaint compass]

Eightbound are just berserkers who've gone too deep into the body modification pool

[desert jay]

"I got disarmed one time and thought, what if that never happened again?"

[tired cairn]

Just setting yourself up for a cheeky pun there really

[pastel rampart]

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Bluesky · May 14, 2026, 12:16 PM

[pulsar cairn]

does khorne corruption make you ugly or did they just get like that from going nuts in battle?

[tepid stratus]

Khorne corruption normally just makes you more prone to violence which is counter productive to vanity and self care

But a lot of specific blessings and rituals do involve bulking up or reshaping bones and shit

[pastel rampart]

And often adding dog-like features.

[silk verge]

workin on a swarmlord

[pulsar cairn]

i see

[main pagoda]

more of a bi product of always fighting as well

[bright dove]

At least one blessing of Khorne has changed a dude into a jello man who replaced his hands with chainswords.

[pulsar cairn]

wouldnt that make him extremely dependant on others outside of battle?

[quaint compass]

Good!

[pulsar cairn]

it sounds like such a horrible idea just carry 2 chainswords instead

im probably expecting too much out of a khornate guy

[bright dove]

Yes. Khorne's blessings are sometimes to be avoided.

This is an important balancing act.

You need to get enough blessings to survive whatever battle.

But not too many that stop you from getting to said battles.

[pulsar cairn]

interesting

[main pagoda]

really could just expand it to all chaos gods lol

[pulsar cairn]

i imagine tzeench is one where you want the least amount of blessings from

since its probably very fucking random

[thin ibex]

we think the swarmlord is a avatar of khaine level contender lore wise?

[quaint compass]

Ya

[tired cairn]

I imagine the Avatar of Khaine has jobbed more in absolute numbers, but I wonder which one has done so proportionally

[pastel rampart]

Given that the signature Tzeentch spell is "turn this mfer into a chaos spawn" yeah he's the one most likely to just fuck you over on the mutation chart.

[jaunty plinth]

I came across this and thought I would share.

from r/poorhammer

[valid brook]

hell yeah standees gang rise up

[tired cairn]

I am reminded of this great kitbash: https://www.reddit.com/r/orks/comments/u78qjy/the_rebel_grots_painted_up_a_decoy_ready_to_trick/

[pulsar cairn]

that looks so lovely haha

[paper bluff]

It's a valid GW model

[main pagoda]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ntd1gm7z/converting-the-cogfort/

peak

[pine matrix]

These fucking rock

[jaunty dawn]

Hell yes

[reef pagoda]

i'd love to see a few more Death ones, im imagining a FEC one thats just a ruined gothic fort with no legs and cryptguard

[pastel rampart]

Plague tower would also be cool.

[wet grotto]

The little lantern at the end is sending me

[reef pagoda]

finally found a group in london to play with so hopefully i will make wargame friends :D theyre kill team mostly so im gonna have to pick... chaos cult probably, i only need a dark commune, i dont belieeeeve emperors children have their own kill team?

[rocky shale]

They do not

[atomic apex]

Not yet

[reef pagoda]

awww, well chaos cult it is, thank god i was planning on iconoclast fiefdom for 40k already

[rocky shale]

Otherwise it's just painting a csm team pink

[atomic apex]

There isn't Khorne marines yet either, just cultists

[reef pagoda]

i have lovely pink cultists, just need to wash em up

[main pagoda]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/fjoetakr/aelves-and-duardin-in-the-cities-of-sigmar/

for the people wondering

[rare turtle]

I do like the phobos armor

[main pagoda]

into the painting 20 ork boyz part of the week now

very much wish i did not have to do this

[wet grotto]

i refuse to play infantry heavy/swarm lists because of my hate of paining lots of little shitheads

[desert jay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJQomLZy68

A bunch of actually helpful questions/answers in here

Battleshock tests changed to be at or below half-strength instead of just below half, on top of needing to test to clear

[rocky shale]

IA not getting anything yet

[desert jay]

GK, Daemons, DW situation basically as it is in 10e (plus the new detachments)

Hah, runtherds now 0-1 in gretchin squads, you may legally have unsupervised grots now

[rocky shale]

GK?

Or did you mean IA

[desert jay]

Grey Knights. Someone asked

[rocky shale]

Lmao what even is the Grey Knights situation

Other than full of short models

[desert jay]

I meant in terms of an army with their own codex and not squatted or folded into IA or whatever

[rocky shale]

Ohhh ok

Yeah I don't believe that GK are gonna get poofed, they're slightly too popular for that

[tired cairn]

Sounds like a bad idea. Can't let the grots get ideas

[rocky shale]

Daemons and DW both living in no codex land is funny

[tired cairn]

Not really what people meant by not selling codexes and providing free rules, but ok

[desert jay]

Well, Daemons in "index only, no codex" land and DW in "gets to pick from two other armies' codices" land

[tired cairn]

And their own detachment, but fair

[rocky shale]

DW are never gonna pick the agents one XD

No army rule vs oath of moment

[desert jay]

Also the agents unit roster leaves... something to be desired

(And you can still dip a few agents into a SM-DW army)

[rocky shale]

Agents deathwatch can take a whole 4 datasheets

Oldmarine DW Vets, new DW kill team, plane, character

[quaint compass]

Playing the Armageddon crusade missions can be really funny sometimes

[tired cairn]

(plus all the agents themselves, not that, that is what DW players want)

[rocky shale]

The Ordo Xenos detachment only touches those 4 units so it's pretty dire for the other units

Even the Ordo Xenos epic heroes

[quaint compass]

Played against a dude who brought a Spartan to a Breakout mission, putting most of his actual marines in it for an easy escape at the exit point on the opposite of the board to me.
He managed to weave through the daemons flooding in, advanced and was just a single turn away from it. On my turn, he popped a stratagem to block my deep strikers from getting in the way. And then we roll the anomalies which caused the Spartan and its occupants to go poof.
He went from a likely draw or even victory at round 2 to definite loss like that.

[rocky shale]

Armageddon crusade was pretty peak silly

[quaint compass]

We've only played against each other twice so far, both of us getting screwed by the fading reality

Also, his units routinely get jumped by the daemons

First game, he infiltrated half his force between me and the exit. And then three greater daemons appear ontop of him. He won because my dudes were sent to reserves on the last round I could score.

[rocky shale]

A lot of the missions are incredibly hard to win as one side vs the other, especially in some matchups

Like death guard in the one where you have to run as far down the table as you can

[quaint compass]

You talking about Into the Mouth of Hell? The one with multiple zones, each further into the defender's side?

[tired cairn]

Like the death guard have to run down the board?

[quaint compass]

I think "scary terminator" faction can handle that one easily

[thin ibex]

I love those anomalies, i had a match where me and my opponent just like, lost half our armies in one anomaly turn

[quaint compass]

Yeeee

They add that certain je nais si quoi

[rocky shale]

It's surprisingly easy to screen, especially when there's 12" no deep strike auras from upgrades

As soon as the terminator has to walk, you aren't running up that board

[quaint compass]

My first battle as votann was that mission, and i was lucky enough for my opponent to over-aggress as T'au

Let my einhyr swooce into the back and hammer his strike team into shape

If he wasn't allergic to crisis suits, I think I would've lost

[desert jay]

Swarms can move through terrain like infantry

(Q&A continued)

[desert jay]

"Uppy-Downy" is not to become an offical rules term

[tired cairn]

Boo

[desert jay]

They did joke though about a High Gothic version, IIRC "ascendy-descendy"

[desert jay]

Got to the IA question

Basically the same as before, but not getting new detachments at launch, unlike other armies

They didn't say, but hopefully the Ordo detachments become 1 pt then

(I've been watching on and off)

[rocky shale]

If they were 1pt we might be cooking

if theres no way for us to get to 3 itll be fucked up

[desert jay]

Also would enable the Triple Inquisition Teamup meme list XD

[rocky shale]

Hereticus + Fleet would be solid

possibly malleus + fleet

[soft willow]

Watch fleet be 3 and the others all one.

[rocky shale]

I'd write a strongly worded email for that one

[tired cairn]

🤔 it is weird that stealth does nothing in cover. You'd think it would like, reduce detection range or something

[desert jay]

Psychic keyword on a weapon does something!

(Ignores modifiers to hit and wound)

[jaunty dawn]

Thats useful

Oh especially with cover now

[soft willow]

Grey Knight stonks are up.

[paper bluff]

What will trajann valoris even offer since that's psychic now

[little bay]

Ohh so that's where my cloak went

[quaint compass]

Trajann Valoris
Special Abilities
Trajann Valoris: When this model hits with an attack roll, kill 1d3 models in the target unit. These models cannot be used to play warhammer 40,000 or any other game for that matter, as they have Trajann Valoris'd and nobody survives that. The opposing player has to destroy it infront of you at a Games Workshop retailer or a witnessed by trusted youtube influencer.

[sour sequoia]

Custodes players mass protest outside GW because its not D3+4

[paper bluff]

Very fun book

Cawl is such a fun character

One of the emperor's silliest little guys

||even in lore||

[thin ibex]

How's the hidden feature work, visibility for dummies?

[sour sequoia]

18” Lone op if on terrain footprint and haven’t shot yet

[pulsar cairn]

i like it too

[sour sequoia]

Loads of things modify detection range to a comical degree, Tau are clocking +9” and Death Guard are clocking +6”

[pulsar cairn]

Cawl is a great character

[quaint compass]

Afaik, it's 15" for hiding in terrain

[junior robin]

headcanon: Arkhan Land is not dead but collected by Trazyn the infinite for the use of finding the worst technology to add "land" in front of.

[paper bluff]

You know he would. Every time he has a few he releases Land from status. AL: alright what's this one?
TtI: here we have some examples of varient engines under the Raider designation
AR: did they just put a bunch of bolters in the pinion mounts and call it something new?!
TiI: why yes. They call it the Land Raider crusader.
AR: Land's Raider! Curse you demon

[sour sequoia]

Fighting for my life to fit my GSC army in da trays

Every fuckin time man host of ascension is heinous

[silk verge]

gettin more work done on the big feller

[broken dew]

excellent

[charred bridge]

Canon to me

[upper bluff]

The infinite and the divine if it was good

[charred bridge]

Gork and Mork don't want you to know this but you can parry an ork for free, I've parried 30 Orks in the park

[little bay]

I'm ninty percent sure trazyn would have this in his museum

just to annoy him because from what i heard he likes to mess with the infinite

i meant divine

[jaunty dawn]

Pff

Simply block the attack

[desert jay]

Do not try this on Orks larger than typical Boyz

They can easily overpower you, or shake you around until you fall off

[upper canopy]

Orks do not get larger than a man and to say that the Infantryman's Primer is incorrect in its depiction of the xenos violates Munitorum edict 784-1-B

[jaunty dawn]

I think best case scenario by doing this the ork sends you flying away instead of chopping you which isnt bad

[main pagoda]

a quick way to get into a headbutting contest, mork or possibly gork approves

[pulsar holly]

Oh hey Dan Abnett’s new two book set is out

[thin ibex]

Oh what's it called

[quaint compass]

The New Set By Dan Abnett

[main pagoda]

hive part one and part two

[frail jacinth]

just started listening to it yesterday, I was explaining it to a friend of mine and he immediately asked if it was enemies to lovers

fingers crossed

[little bay]

MECH MECH MECH

[main pagoda]

God Ursrax just ooze meance

[pulsar cairn]

are those 30k?

[mental birch]

Yes

[mental birch]

They actually did a lot

More than i thoguht they would

[vital barn]

was it Panoply of Cruelty?

they just have disgusting stats for cost in that detachment

they're not the kind of elite demolishers that people take notice of but they just have so much goddamn bulk for something that fast and hit hard enough to clear out anything that isn't a terminator

[mental birch]

Yes

[mental birch]

I ran 2 units into my opponenets autocannon squad

And dared him to try to kill both

He only killed 1 and i charged it off the board

Their key job was bullying marines off objectives

[mental birch]

Really stupidly proud of this paintjob

[pastel rampart]

Do I need a warhound? No but I have a printer and no sense.

This is just one leg.

[pulsar cairn]

they look great!

[soft willow]

Maybe you just have big hands but that actually seems a little small

[main pagoda]

they aren't all that big height wise just due to the pose

[vital barn]

I'm surprised they killed all of one, without stuff like the Thousand Sons autobreaching cheese

I guess they weren't huge squads

[soft willow]

So maybe not small, but it’s certainly a different design

[pastel rampart]

https://fbi.cults3d.com/uploaders/14173491/illustration-file/2d90e20b-f659-4d02-8a7a-36ef2280d2aa/71836432_1513174098852559_8910818144214319104_n.jpg

It's this design.

https://fbi.cults3d.com/uploaders/27227458/photo-file/902ac19d-a00d-4c91-8c00-9f202b7222e5/486643207_9521371131256816_1435349629779517982_n.jpg

Which ain't small!

[pulsar cairn]

dog

[pastel rampart]

It's a reimagining of the old Armorcast warhound.

https://www.mindtaker.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/IMG_8832-scaled.jpg

http://www.ironhands.com/warhound.htm It was surprisingly large for the time!

[pulsar cairn]

that was even more dog

if im not mistaken, that class of titan is on the faster side right?

[pastel rampart]

https://rustymagos.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/dscf3286.jpg Though obviously smaller than the FW one just due to scope creep and at least a decade between sculpts.

[pulsar cairn]

neat!

[pastel rampart]

And yeah it's a faster class, 58kph on road and 42 off-road (36/26mph).

A Reaver, the next size up, is half as fast. Emperor has no listed speed but assume that because it's really big and has a cathedral on its back that it's top speed is "we'll get there eventually."

[pulsar cairn]

probably has a lot of range tbf

i wonder how they even move it from planet to plant

[pastel rampart]

They're in giant hangers and basically drop-podded down to the surface.

They have a fleet of lifters to get them off-planet, which makes it difficult to extract some of them in an emergency.

Also if you want some big-ass models there's a guy called Geargutz who does truly ridiculous STLs for ork titans.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/591429239211950081/1505608485767876729/t31wkx9zehdb1.png?ex=6a0b3eab&is=6a09ed2b&hm=53b6c8b4b6dd93248ea53a65008f591596fb797f404414d8f33d8471353e8913&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/591429239211950081/1505608905055801374/i-finally-got-this-monster-gargant-finished-i-cant-wait-to-v0-zalrqrgvw7ra1.png?ex=6a0b3f0f&is=6a09ed8f&hm=aa54507ad2f6ee5b2373929914169b79e850e96467caa3fb3930739e091da494&

[pulsar cairn]

that's amazing

probably needs a huge printer

[pastel rampart]

An average-sized FDM printed can do it, it's just in a bunch of large parts so it'd take a while to print and then assemble.

I could print one on my machine but it would take...a couple weeks? of non-stop printing, I think.

[little bay]

WAAAAAGGGGGHHHHHH

[pastel rampart]

https://geargutsmekshop.com/collections/super-heavy-walkers-stl-download?page=1 His stuff rules, and a fair price for the STLs I think.

[pulsar cairn]

i see!

[pastel rampart]

I did print one of his big-ish meks and that took a little under a week or so.

https://geargutsmekshop.com/products/hick-broozer-naut-a-stl-download?_pos=2&_sid=10623670c&_ss=r This one, yeah. It's about the size of a gorkanaut.

[main pagoda]

so it depends on the titan but typically they are carried in the void in huge carrier ships and then carried down to the surface in coffin ships or dedicated carrier aircraft

[sour sequoia]

My buddy is on the wyoming teams tourney stream if anybody wants to see some top end competitive

https://www.youtube.com/live/40DUzGogbSw?si=qmaDgq3ifwjC5YTa

[desert jay]

Which one am I rooting for?

[sour sequoia]

Holbrook!

Raiders CSM

[desert jay]

Hell yeah

[mental birch]

They did do that

Issue is they cant splitfire

I slammed them in his fsce with PAY ATTENTION IMPORTANT

[vital barn]

I could not tell those were Thousand Sons, never mind then

good to see that particular strat getting taken down, honestly

I need to get back on the Mechanicum grind, the Myrmidon/Thallax/Ursarax heavy infantry core is so pretty and so effective these days

[mental birch]

I jumped a ursarax unit within 4" of 3 units

And he reacted all of them

The fool

[vital barn]

ooo, spooky vanguard

no. 1 purpose of vanguard, makes people spend all their reactions stopping you getting it

(sorry Custodes, all-Vanguard still doesn't work)

[mental birch]

If he didnt react any of them i would be killing 1 unit ma

Max

But because he reacted them off i'm killing 2

Ahahhahha

He saved his autocannon squad bt charging terminators

But also hahahaha

I had free reign to shoot st them because he used up his reaction points

[vital barn]

it is extremely Mechanicus to throw a squad of ten foot tall murder cyborgs at you, watch them all get blasted and then go "ehh, made you look" and open fire with infinity guns

[sour sequoia]

I think today was the dirtiest I’ve ever done someone in a game of 40k lads

Top to bottom’d a knight destrier on mortals

two atalan jackals squads and one reductus dropping a hero of the imperium R1 babey

[thin ibex]

Executed a movie worthy demolition trap

Pretty much how irregular would do it too

That's pretty cool

[pastel rampart]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/xordlfvg/commissar-cain-comes-to-the-tabletop/

[past sphinx]

well fuck me sideways

[floral herald]

After a thousand years…

[broken dew]

Jurgen :D

[past sphinx]

jurgen melta his nuts

[main pagoda]

nice they managed to get his shit eating grin onto the model

[past sphinx]

and jurgen is just fuck ugly enough

[main pagoda]

now me personally the man with the melta is the most handsome in the room

[bright dove]

No no, the man with the melta us the hottest in the room

[past sphinx]

if cain doesnt have a get up on 2+ ill be incredibly disappointed

[pastel rampart]

Oh he gets up alright.

[past sphinx]

roll to seduce drukari Archon

then roll to seduce drukari player

[main pagoda]

hes whatever he wants to be im not arguing

[junior robin]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/begrgyld/new40k-rules-more-dakka-than-you-can-shake-a-rig-at/

https://assets.warhammer-community.com/40k_dakkrigrules-may18-datasheet-ccn4zucqza.jpg

[tired cairn]

Less gun profiles than I was expecting lol

Also, Heavy feels so wrong

[pastel rampart]

+6 attacks on infantry ain't nothin' I suppose.

[upper canopy]

Does seem to be a pretty good MEQ mower

[spice flicker]

Cain coming to tabletop is neat.

[rocky shale]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/pqqff7as/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-imperial-and-chaos-knights/

IK get good rules and CK get the same rule but it says battle shock, everything is right in the world

[sour sequoia]

“Hello we heard you guys are getting automatic plunging fire to negate cover and still are losing games when you push 5 models mindlessly up the table”

“How about another +1 to hit all the time”

[rocky shale]

But only for the knight dominus

Which can now be T13 again

Every 2dp detachment being able to add 500pts of skitarii or cultists is kinda sick

[sour sequoia]

That is actually the first good thing I’ve ever seen given to knights, they need lil guys

[jaunty dawn]

The skitarii rule is a lot nicer than reroll 1s, damn

[rocky shale]

The skitarii seem better as actual units but 60+ cultists is cheap as shit

[jaunty dawn]

And the detachment can just focus on skitarii strats instead of trying to make the actual part of the army work

Being limited to the same unit roster kinda keeps it being pretty silly but it should be more functional at least

[rocky shale]

Meanwhile I am bringing 100 cultists

[tired cairn]

That should let the admech ally detachment bring the transport so the admech units can actually keep up

Does this really need to say "per army" lol

[sour sequoia]

Yes. Yes it does

It has been week 16 of telling daemons mirrors the enemy’s shadows of the warp does not stack with theirs

[floral herald]

It’s the same warp it should 😤

[vital barn]

It used to back in HH1e, actually

This never mattered because one whole person played ruinstorm daemons as a primary detachment, but theoretically if you played a mirror match functionally the whole board would be within range of one side's warp rift or another and nobody would ever die because both armies got to reroll saves all game regardless of location

[desert jay]

Stabilized suspensions iz for wimpy humies!

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yeah-it's-all-coming-together-emperor's-new-groove-kronk-gif-14493286164171601186

[stark cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/invader-zim-chicken-legs-gif-17803002044323528216

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/legs-spongebob-squarepants-patrick-star-gif-5320288

[stark cypress]

LMAO

[thin ibex]

https://www.newrecruit.eu/app/list/sePRn

This feel thematically like a PDF?

[vital barn]

no, it's on newrecruit, it's more of a .txt

(ha ha)

[floral herald]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-applause-gif-26841887

[vital barn]

looks about right to me, with the only stuff pushing the usual PDF scope is managing to scrape up the Death Mask (everyone has relics on the tabletop, so not a problem) and a Primaris Psyker

but a whole planet managing to rustle up one good psyker is pretty reasonable

[sweet solar]

https://tenor.com/view/tower-of-fantasy-eos-tof-eos-tof-end-of-service-tower-of-fantasy-end-of-service-i-thought-you-were-dead-gif-1348878719118156352

i dont know who the anime girl is

[sweet solar]

thats just the version of the gof discord has for some³ reason whats that 3 doing there howd you get there

[hazy bough]

Discord's doing a mild amount of trolling

[thin ibex]

A generic orc horde would probably still have flash gitz on it right?

[floral herald]

They sure could

[junior summit]

oddboyz kinda just crop up once you hit a critical mass of normal orks

[main pagoda]

So it kinda depends on size and tech but yeah

[mental birch]

Oh last saturday's heresy event hahahah

[pastel rampart]

Almost done.

Painting a bunker is simple and brainless and fun.

[jaunty dawn]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/fvbmcs1u/new40k-rules-zoom-across-the-battlefield-in-the-updated-land-speeder/

oh, are flying stonks back?

[tired cairn]

Subtracting 2" seems unnecessary but w/e

lol at Zoanthroape fly being 3" though

[jaunty dawn]

I mean it was nerfed to begin with for a reason

reverting without a new drawback wouldn't really make sense

[tired cairn]

🤔 do you take to the skies before or after rolling the dice for a charge

[jaunty dawn]

good question

[junior robin]

finally, chaos primaris librarian lieutenant

[jaunty dawn]

i imagine before if its at decleration

[tired cairn]

I guess I find a flat decrease in distance moved weird. Versus it being like Fly X

[jaunty dawn]

yeah fair

[tired cairn]

Yeah, it's weird that they say "Each time a FLYING unit" but also "before moving any model".

[tired cairn]

I think it would also make sense for the penalty to be something other than a movement one? Like you can't be hidden/get cover or whatever

[mental birch]

Spunds like becore because on selection

[rocky shale]

The vast majority of flying units are 8-14" move speed

[mental birch]

Crisis suits are mostly happy

Hahahaa

[tired cairn]

I think if it was on selection it wouldn't have the additional note about before moving? But idk

[mental birch]

Also find it really funny that the loyalist faction in the heresy event

Were rhe more organised

[quaint compass]

I guess it's sequenced to flow more instructionally?
"This unit Moves and Takes To The Skies," flows easier. Reads to me that it lets you decide after rolled movement such as Advance/Charge before Skying to the Takes.

[mental birch]

Ah

[quaint compass]

Avoiding "I advance and take to the skies, aaaand I rolled a 1..."

[tired cairn]

I think you could word it as "When a Flying unit is selected to <movement type>, the active player can declare that it Takes to the Skies" as a "definitely before rolling dice" phrasing

Though, is the active player the one whose turn it is? So reactive moves can't use fly (or more sillily, the other player gets to choose if they fly or not)?

[quaint compass]

I think active player is the term for whose turn it is. But I will look further because I got curious.

[soft willow]

Before as it’s when it’s selected.

[little bay]

very good

[thin ibex]

Taking to the skies, does it let you move up onto terrain as well?

Like if your base is stable on a thing, can you just go up there?

[rocky shale]

Yes, but your base has to not just be stable but not overhang at all

[untold swallow]

As they say on Fenris

Shit's Fucked

[thin ibex]

gotcha so not just perched, but has to actually be on some kind of flat platform

[thin ibex]

oh what's this?

[main pagoda]

deathwatch ttrpg im guessing

[thin ibex]

oh those guardsmen are screwed

[untold swallow]

deathwatch west marches

[main pagoda]

that seems like a great way to use that system since i dont think its great for long campaigns

[untold swallow]

SHIT

SOME OF THE GUARD ARE GENESTEALERS

FUCK

SHIT

This Is Fine

[stark cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/aliens-game-over-man-burning-game-over-gif-17237234

[untold swallow]

(I am that marine in the middle, yes)

[thin ibex]

You brought the heavy flamer right?

Can never go wrong with flamers

[untold swallow]

I'm a Librarian

I have a heavy flamer with me wherever I go

[thin ibex]

Excellent, that just means you've been handed a target rich environment. Praise the emperor for providing such a bounty of xenos to slay.

[untold swallow]

One of just got his arm ripped off

[floral herald]

Not to worry it’s just over there

[untold swallow]

I have lost a leg

XD

[jaunty dawn]

Gotta get your characterful bionics somehow

[raven meteor]

Space Marine 2 gave me a hankering for a Tyrannid Campaign
Cuz SM2 basically like
Is a TTRPG campaign in structure and vibes in a lot of ways

[wide veldt]

Jesus they REALLY forgot the blood angels existed

They KEEP showing cool new ork things lmao

[main pagoda]

they did show off the new landspeeder rules today

orks are getting completey new stuff BA stuff is just 1 new kits and then old ones

[wide veldt]

Thats so sad

[main pagoda]

idk the new SM models do look really cool

even the orks is like 3 new models then just old kits

and by old kits i mean stuff thats already in the game not old models

[desert jay]

It's an SM starter box so it's for all of SM and SM doesn't really need more datasheets IMO

[tired cairn]

The ork stuff is cooler so it makes sense 😛

[wide veldt]

Yonow what fair

[rocky shale]

If they add more datasheets the codex will implode and form a neutron star

Vanvets getting some new models is perfectly good, the old models were a bit rough

[desert jay]

I think it's also un-legends-ing Land Speeders but I'm not sure on that

[main pagoda]

thats what this box is for orks essentially alot of our old kits getting revamped

[rocky shale]

It's also a generic SM box not specifically BA

[pastel rampart]

It's secretly an all-ork box if you don't mind converting.

[main pagoda]

the glow ups are insane

[tired cairn]

I don't know what you mean:

[runic swallow]

I will say the top right one is still charming

[main pagoda]

yea

[runic swallow]

It’s got character to it

[main pagoda]

even the old weird boy still has character

[runic swallow]

But is probably finecast

[floral herald]

https://bsky.app/profile/jetblackraider.itch.io/post/3mmackytb4c2d
the greatest to every do it

JBR (@jetblackraider.itch.io)

-# Gadsaboke (@gadzaboke.bsky.social)
This guy should have had his shirt off imo, if we can give tau boob jobs we can make an Incubus show off the goods.

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Bluesky · May 19, 2026, 9:12 PM

[tired cairn]

I feel like Ork models have generally been on the upper end for artistic quality

[floral herald]

https://bskye.app/profile/gadzaboke.bsky.social/post/3mm5suvorus25
context

[main pagoda]

just ignore the previous new boyz

[desert jay]

Now stack the SW and BA and DA and DT ones on top of it

[main pagoda]

the bad time

[tired cairn]

Is W Artel the one that makes not-quite-porn pinup models?

[main pagoda]

the mek is the only truly ass old ork model imho

kinda just sauceless to me

[desert jay]

It was a different era

[tired cairn]

Maybe they have an alternative chest piece option like some of their other models, if it is the company I am thinking of

[floral herald]

Among many many others

[desert jay]

That Ork has like twice the sauce of any Marine from the same year

[floral herald]

This is turning me into a skeleton

[main pagoda]

i think my main issue is you compare it to the other old mek which is the SAG one and it just falls flat

[floral herald]

Having a generic mek was nice IMO

[rocky shale]

Artel does make quite a lot of non porny models but yeah it do be like that

[main pagoda]

yeah its no issue

its just eh

[floral herald]

Albeit the meta one was this fella

[rocky shale]

They made some of the best aspect warrior proxies before the latest refresh

[main pagoda]

see thats sick

[floral herald]

(That model came out well after I had my orks)

[pastel rampart]

Sauceless? Hardly, he's mustard-colored.

[main pagoda]

I think after these refreshes we only really need new trukks/battlewagons, new mega armoured stuff and new deff dread

[tired cairn]

Is the Deff Dread the one with the horrible to put together kit?

[main pagoda]

yea

nothing wrong with the look

its just assembly made me want to do things to the person

[floral herald]

As is tradition

[desert jay]

Wait was Deff Dread not in this release? I thought it was

[main pagoda]

no its another walker

dakka walker

[floral herald]

this one also sucked to make

[pastel rampart]

Sure fucking did

[desert jay]

Ah right, the Big Mek Dakkarig

[pastel rampart]

Right around 5th edition the starter box was also orks vs SM but they had a dread in it and a whooooooole lotta ork players made a deff dread out of that.

[main pagoda]

black reach my beloved

2nd favourite starter box after skull pass i got

[desert jay]

Also hey we had a EC player in here, right? Faction focus came out today

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/d7cmuzbg/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-emperors-children/

[tired cairn]

Oh, huh. I was predicting that they were going to turn all the soup detachments into 1-pointers

[desert jay]

Termie detachment, battleline detachment, and Flawless Blades detachment

[desert jay]

DG didn't get that either, nor did WE

[tired cairn]

Oh rip

[soft willow]

Seems like solid options so far. Will it get people to stop playing Coterie even if that’s a 3 point detachment? I highly doubt it.

[sour sequoia]

Currently the rule of thumb is codexes are 2pt, the only known 3pt is Mont’Ka

GSC’s gonna have a weird keywording mess since one soup detach is core and one soup detach is grotmas so final day may be dead? Even as brood bros is the one that needs to die lol

[rocky shale]

The real winners are anyone who had a shitty grotmas detachment

CK and IK getting their goofy soup options but just added to an existing pick? Amazing.

Aeldari getting to throw the vehicle detachment in the incinerator for literally anything else? Peak.

[wide veldt]

That sucks, final day thematically fucking rules

[little bay]

allow me to give you a tip

explosives

[deft crest]

God i love artists depictions of Deldar lol

Fan art of em i mean

[deft crest]

I should get my OC drawn in drukhari themeing

[mental birch]

I may have made a mistake

So like local heresy players have been avoiding using weapons that hand out statuses intentionally because its annoing to remember

But!

I made game aid reminders and distributed them

Now poeple are considering

[vital barn]

Surely this is good for you because Mechanicum Cl is crazy high

unless they start Panic spamming

[mental birch]

I guess

Hahahah

[main pagoda]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/pwjpxpeu/new40k-da-trakk-is-back/

[little bay]

truly the top of orcish engineering

[quaint compass]

I wonder if Suppressed is a generic rule or something you'll only see when written on the unit sheets

[junior robin]

that feel when no scorcha/twin big shoota options

[quaint compass]

i'm sure they'll add a whole new data sheet for the Da Firetrakk

[tired cairn]

The way they did the parenthetical makes me think it is a generic rule

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1045869632659140658/1506464692397408367/20260519_200710.png?ex=6a0f04d3&is=6a0db353&hm=d83ff6e1708df9e6765d374fbeb8bcd8578adfbde7e89beb96ec7d645c636872&

[little bay]

this is mine now

[stark cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/tts-i-cast-fist-gif-18135032

[tired cairn]

https://bsky.app/profile/williameburns.bsky.social/post/3mmcghnazpk2u

William Burns (@williameburns.bsky.social)

-# ↩ (@lastpositivist.bsky.social)
The problem here, I think, is the distinction between deaths in war and deaths by violence. In many wars, the largest number of casualties is caused by famine or disease. Are these deaths pleasing to Khorne? Indeed, (and here I venture into outright heresy) Nurgle may be the god of actual war.

Bluesky · May 20, 2026, 5:27 PM

[desert jay]

Is that an S10 rokkit I see?

[floral herald]

I’m gonna beat you with an axe

[desert jay]

Do famines serve Nurgle, actually? For the grandfather loves all creatures down to the lowly parasites and microbes, and they all need subsistence

[main pagoda]

well famine and disease kinda walk hand in hand so sorta

[floral herald]

Famines are actually Slaanesh - they’re excesses of hunger

[main pagoda]

well it comes down to what caused the famine ig

[tired cairn]

As long as I don't die from infection

[pastel rampart]

Torso took forever to print.

[pastel rampart]

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/custom-proxy-imperial-knight-cracatacus-class alright this is cool as hell and a suitable knight proxy.

[jaunty dawn]

Not a cactus smh no wait actually this looks pretty coolmyeah

[pastel rampart]

I'm not entirely sure on the total scale, even with the videos he linked. But probably close enough.

[tired cairn]

The first image makes me want a version using a guitar

[pastel rampart]

Slaaneshi knight right there.

[pastel rampart]

https://www.reddit.com/r/TerrainBuilding/comments/1tim3xi/from_two_fruit_boxes_step_by_step_to_a_terrain_set/

[vital barn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itUHD-j-AU0

so the new game's soundtrack is just as good as the first one

[soft willow]

A high bar that they do need to clear.

[tired cairn]

I feel like overlapping detonations is making a special rule to have a special rule. Just put blast on the gun, the difference is very minor lol

Blast # is a good idea though

[still warren]

https://www.twitch.tv/warhammer?sr=a skulls event live in 10 minutes

[past sphinx]

wow they are literally a worse heavy intercessor

i dont know why i always get excited for skulls

pegi 7?

never heard of a pegi 7

[broken dew]

pegi 7 for a Warhammer game

[past sphinx]

i know PEGI EIGHTTEEN

good meme game

[broken dew]

my pegi 7 great unclean one and plague marines

yeah there we go, pegi 18

[past sphinx]

their using old chaos marines but not old world eaters of plague marines

thats

well a choice

[broken dew]

holy

that was a big khornate chain axe

[past sphinx]

Kytan id say puffing on my crack pipe

[broken dew]

that or maybe a Lord of Skulls

[past sphinx]

how long before GW takes a go at a digital tabletop

well

total war 40k i guess

GW you cant throw around the word "classics" for your old games

90% of trash'

[misty violet]

They've managed to leverage their brand identity to a point that trash has become endearing trash for all the people who have only ever heard about them from youtube retro reviews of them

I can almost guarantee more people have watched the MandaloreGaming review of Fire Warrior than actually played Fire Warrior

[broken dew]

HELLDIVERS!?

[misty violet]

GREAT HEAVENS

[broken dew]

oh for fuck sake

don't announce things when you have nothing to announce