Warhammer and Such

[little bay]

what are the ranks of the inquisition highest to lowest?

[pastel rampart]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Inquisitor

[little bay]

thanks

interrogators?

[tired cairn]

For whatever reason that's what they call the people just under an Inquisitor

[little bay]

hmm curious

[mental birch]

Probably because rhey do the actual investigative legwork

[little bay]

i see

[tepid stratus]

Yeah they handle cases directly while the inquisitor is usually handling higher level decision making or the particularly important work

[pseudo shuttle]

can somebody help clear up a rules thing for me rq regarding detatchments

[mental birch]

?

@pseudo shuttle

Sure

[pseudo shuttle]

so i was looking through some stuff and i saw that, raven guard have their own detatchment?

the uhh shadowmark talon?

it seems kind of built around the idea of shaan being present, but can you use it without shaan being there?

im not seeing anything like "if shaan is in your list you can use this detatchment" etc etc anywhere but i wana double check

[mental birch]

You can but you lose access to the Shaan stuff

[floral herald]

Yeah

He’s not mandatory but you really want him around

[pseudo shuttle]

duly noted!

so if im not bringing shaan, is it just better to use uhh vanguard spearhead?

[floral herald]

You think if loading tracers wasn’t important orks would even be able to count to 5?

[rocky shale]

That's not a tracer it's explosive

[bright dove]

No no, that's one of the fast bullets.

[quaint compass]

Most ork forcefields are just a cloud of extremely slow moving chaff

[tired cairn]

I don't think this confirms that Orks can count to five. Only that Gretchin can

Oh hey, monsters can Tank shock (now called Crushing Impact) in 11th! I think it's still a kind of dumb strat, but as a Tyranid player, I might be less bitter about it 😅

[floral herald]

The old Ork codex has their counting system but it ends after 6

It’s like 0 through 6 and then “many”

Oops ends at 5

[tired cairn]

They need 6 in case they miss 5 when putting the tracer rounds in

Honestly, very impressive they have a 0. That took awhile for humans to figure out

[floral herald]

I love the implication that orks can actually count much higher but don’t have symbols for it

But writing 100 as 5 twenty times works

[tired cairn]

Oh, lmao it's just that stick counting system

Tally marks

[mental birch]

They stoll have 0

Hahahaa

[past sphinx]

my god it has a heavy flamer

[mystic saddle]

went to my LGS yesterday only expecting to grab some paints and a box of AoS nighthaunt ghosts (chainrasps), but i ended up getting the old Warcry Heart of Ghur box for free

[pastel rampart]

[++DREADNOUGHT ONLINE++]

[broken dew]

Furibundus :)

[pastel rampart]

Eggnought my beloved

Got the arms printing right now. Gonna be a venerable dread with a frag cannon.

[broken dew]

Furibundus is excellent

though Contemptor is still my goat

ok just seen that Joytoy have a Blood Angels contemptor fig

i fucking need this

Blood Angels Incaendius Contemptor

[sour sequoia]

The jump pack + fire weapons dread

Its a funny one

[broken dew]

so fucking based

[sour sequoia]

The pile of shame groweth my friends. LGS garage sale has me by the balls

Rockgrinders at $5 apiece kinda rocks tho

[rocky shale]

Printed or just crazy good deal?

[sour sequoia]

Deals god

[rocky shale]

Waow

[sour sequoia]

more accurately it was my LGS' usual yearly garage sale for people to circulate all their old shit

[rocky shale]

One of the lgs near me does a quarterly garage sale and it was today

It was pretty mid today unless you wanted board games or a shitload of necrons or old world

One time I walked away with 3 questoris knights for like $100

[sour sequoia]

coincidentally last year's was the only reason I can afford GSC, had like 8 people ragequit it at once right as I was starting and Host of Ascension was entering its glory days

[rocky shale]

Lmaoo

Im trying to get rid of some votann that I hype-purchased when the codex came out

[sour sequoia]

damn tryin to get rid of them right as they got good

[rocky shale]

I haven't been playing much lately and never had a full 2k

I bought a couple miniswap lots and had like 1200pts

I'm gonna keep a couple for painting projects and using sagitaurs as chimera proxies for my radial inquisitor IA

Sagitaurs and chimera are basically the same size

[rocky shale]

I play elves and knights, I know that being good is temporary

[sour sequoia]

oh they've been like, fine but now they have real game identity instead of "hey kids remember grudge tokens? pepperidge farms remembers fantasy dwarves"

wallstreetbets on the objectives is great

[floral herald]

Yeah I dig their new codex rules

[rocky shale]

Oh yeha the post codex stuff is what had me excited

Then it faded

[reef pagoda]

scratching my chin between despoiler and abominant, they both look really great..

a scheme i have is to have the knights torso dragged along by a hellflayer chariot but its probably too large to be feasible as a build

[rocky shale]

The knight questoris kit only comes with one gatling cannon so you do need a second for a double gat.

The abominant kit gives a bunch of bits you can use to make other knights chaosy

[main pagoda]

well the question that matters is do you intend for this model to be playable or is it just for coolness factor

[reef pagoda]

the despoiler would probably just be the chainsword and free arm, but i do really want knight-sized chaos bits... i cant see the sprue on GW's site, buti imagine the chaosy bits are the chains and ravens that go on top of the abominants etc? if i could i'd like a more mutant build, i've used up all my tentacles and stuff

[reef pagoda]

i'm looking for something playable, but also the literal size of the model, i looked at them side by side on minicompare and i think i underestimated how giant the real knights are lol, the chariot is tiny next to it

i wouldnt mind being cheeky and having it overhang the base a lot

[rocky shale]

Chains, ravens, spikes, etc. There's no kit thats a fleshy knight.

[reef pagoda]

yeah thats a shame, what i might consider is buying more skaven kits for fleshy parts

i hear chaos spawn is a really bad kit for parts surprisingly

[rocky shale]

Far too small for knights imo

You'd need like great unclean one chunks

The main thing you want for a "fair" knight pose is the height, since that matters quite a bit for towering rules

[reef pagoda]

oh shit youre right even the boneripper is too little... i guess i could have it growing out of cracks in the armour plates with some plastic filler

i'll scour ebay for GUO and maybe even other greater daemon parts thanks they seem more close

[desert jay]

I would also consider greenstuff for fleshiness

[reef pagoda]

if i can go to the shop tomorrow i will try to get some, i bought some non-modelling plastic filler but its not for that purpose and dries very fast so i really do need proper green stuff lol

i might also use a mortifier coffin as a sort of external throne mechanicum, i think that could look nice with wiring or hanging from a chain

[sour sequoia]

Verminlord and vizzik is the only stuff even remotely similar scale

[pseudo shuttle]

okay looking at them side by side
it seems the only real diffrence between vanguard spear head and shadowmark , is a buff to shaan and 1 diffrent enhancement

if im reading this right

so it really only comes down to which of these enhancements i'd rather have the option of taking

Execute and redeploy vs hunters instincts

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1414018875019759749/1500430632558264450/a5cdw02wblyg1.png?ex=69f8686b&is=69f716eb&hm=eecb946828985079b32ead06cd1de457cf9e8d9d41c5d3ff3ef3fad124a192e6&

[upper canopy]

Oh I love this guy

[pulsar cairn]

what are the chances of the heat of firing all that dakka just melts everything inside the mouth?

[pine matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/trogdor-gif-5728783594279782189

[pseudo shuttle]

....yknow on reflection i forgot to check if the strategems are diffrent

[finite compass]

Then all the ammo cooks off and you get EVEN MORE DAKKA

[sour sequoia]

The strats in shadowmark are outright better since you get back some killing power + the bucket of free strats from Shaan

Its a lil different but then especially because including shaan makes several strats free, you have a very smooth command economy

[pseudo shuttle]

and if one doesnt have shaan?

how worth taking is it over vanguard?

[sour sequoia]

Honestly still better

[pseudo shuttle]

📝

[sour sequoia]

You get a shooting killing power strat instead of constant tricks

[pseudo shuttle]

so is just killing power better than tricks?

[sour sequoia]

You still move like GSC with marine bodies.

You get one less schmovement for the ability to say “and now I’m pointing 9 lascannon+missile centurions at your ctan shard, say your fucking prayers”

[pseudo shuttle]

and what about the one enhancement difference between them?

[sour sequoia]

Vanguard does not get vect aura

Shadowmark gets vect aura and an r1 deepstriking/ingressing vanguard vet squad there is No Contest

“Hello my lone op combi lieutenant exists within a foot of midfield. Turn Off Your Fucking Army.”

[pseudo shuttle]

vect aura?

[quaint compass]

+1CP cost for strats afaik

[pseudo shuttle]

aaa

[pastel rampart]

And done, for the most part.

[rocky shale]

tricks are good but eventually you do need to actually kill stuff sometimes to win games

[pulsar cairn]

are the orks truly happy with 40k's status quo or is that more of an exaggeration from the community?

[runic swallow]

No they genuinely are having a great time

[sour sequoia]

98% of the lore as regurgitated by the community is false

Orks are dissatisfied with the amount of krumpin available so they supply da krumpin and then its GR9

[past sphinx]

aquired space mordheim

[pulsar cairn]

daaamn

also good to know that them having fun is at least a true fact

[main pagoda]

I think the only ork that regularly gets sad is Ghazgul

[pulsar cairn]

makes sense

[rare turtle]

Finish my Abbadon conversion

[little bay]

hey that book cover is also in the warhammer wrath and glory book

[sour sequoia]

Overwatch changes in 11th

[dense siren]

Ooooooo

[thin ibex]

Interesting, can't reroll at all. Makes it even less valuable if you aren't using an auto hit weapon

[junior robin]

finally, the age of melee is upon us

[rocky shale]

The overwatch strat itself is moving to end of movement phase so you get a lot of flexibility on when to use overwatch now

[mental birch]

As a tau player awww

[mental birch]

Rip the sequencing mindgames

[floral herald]

Interesting, I was wondering about the 24” limit

[mental birch]

I assume its there to stop annoying lol sure longshot overwatches

That are feelsbads

[tired cairn]

No rerolls is new right?

[quaint compass]

Ya

Snap Shooting (the hit only on 6s rule) also forbids rerolling said attacks

But if the Dakka Detachment is anything to go by, there'll be more reactive shooting using Snap Shooting

[tired cairn]

Wait, what is snap shooting?

[sour sequoia]

Resurrection of an old universal rule that was how you overwatched, that became a bespoke dice roll for overwatch

Its just the “dont do shit except on 6s”

[jaunty dawn]

it was also the rule used for shooting at flyers with non dedicated anti air weapons

[thin ibex]

i notice it doesnt look like a stratagem either, but rather a normal rule?

[quaint compass]

Yup

[thin ibex]

does that mean we'll have units that come with it on their datasheet

[jaunty dawn]

which was part of what made them ridiculously op when they came out

[quaint compass]

You get to Snap Shoot at someone when you Overwatch

[thin ibex]

rather than than universal?

[quaint compass]

No that's gonna be a core rule

[thin ibex]

so we're back to literally everyone overwatching? hmm

[jaunty dawn]

it's just separating out the modifications of overwatch so that you don't have to rewrite 'hits on 6s' if you wanna use it at other points

or if a rule wants to modify snap shots

Overwatch is still a strat I thought

[sour sequoia]

Overwatch is still a stratagem.

[quaint compass]

Everyone always could, but now they're setting up a rule set for doing reactive shooting without everyone having a specific set of words for "You can shoot as a reaction but attacks only hit on sixes and you cannot reroll"

[desert jay]

Surprised they're (apparently) not handling torrent overwatch in here

[jaunty dawn]

snap shooting is just a rule, that other rules can invoke

[quaint compass]

Yeah, Overwatch still occurs as normal, but Snap Shooting is what you do when you overwatch

[jaunty dawn]

overwatch is a strategem that invokes snap shooting

[thin ibex]

ah I see, is that the only way to be eligible for that shooting type?

[desert jay]

Probably not

But we don't know yet

[jaunty dawn]

one of the new ork detachments has a stratagem to snap shoot back

snap shot an enemy unit after they shoot that is

[sour sequoia]

Tbf torrent overwatch has been part of the game for far longer, the big problem has been like “here are my sternguard/blightlords/RepEx/Defiler with full hit/wound rerolls sus lethals. Pick up your land raider you stupid fuck you thought you got to play the game”

[thin ibex]

i was concerned that eligibility just makes it easy, and theres no listed restriction, so you'd just see mass snap shooting at the end of every shooting phase

[quaint compass]

I can see rules like "This unit may hit on 5s and 6s when they snap shoot at monster/infantry/vehicle/psyker/small children/smaller snotlings

[jaunty dawn]

yeah the eligibility basically means "you can only do this when another rule lets you"

[quaint compass]

Ya, snap shooting isn't replacing overwatch, just a specific rule that overwatch will now call on when used

[jaunty dawn]

oh the other time snap shooting used to come up was it was the only way to shoot while pinned

[quaint compass]

okay now I'm just saying what Penny already said 😅

[desert jay]

Okay reading the faction focus now, interesting that right off the bat they're making some detachments mutually exclusive

Rollin Deff not working with other "Wagons" detachments is obviously a tech to prevent double-dipping on buffing these units

[jaunty dawn]

ah so you can't double buff the same unit

but also so its like

if you go wide in spending your detachment points you're choosing a subfaction for each part of your army basically

[desert jay]

But there could hypothetically be other rules on detach exclusivity, like a fliers detachment going "no tank detachment"

[jaunty dawn]

aiui detachments are keeping the same amount of content (ie 6 strategems, etc) so it'll be interesting to see how that comes out with bloat

but even if you had like

18 strats that would still be less than 8/9e lol

[desert jay]

Oh is "detachment points" a thing?

[jaunty dawn]

yup

it might be in one of the earlier "what's changing" articles

but there's like detachment point limits per game size and detachments that cost different amounts of points

[desert jay]

Aha
(Source: https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/95fucn12/building-an-army-in-the-new-edition-of-warhammer-40000/)

[atomic apex]

oh lower limits at 1k

[desert jay]

I had to go to page 6 of all-news for this

[desert jay]

Yeah, and some detachments being 3 pts means not available at 1k

I also notice them dropping the "Onslaught" size

[desert jay]

I could possibly see 1-pters having less strats and 3-pters having more strats so that strategem count is more normalized between single/double/triple detachment armies, but we'll see

[sour sequoia]

That part’s already confirmed

They wanna avoid 9th ed’s 20 strats and bajillion pages of rules per army

1pt detaches are gonna be like, one upgrade and two strats

[desert jay]

That's cool, but did not see it anywhere

[sour sequoia]

Its scattered to one of their earlier streams or articles. I’ll try to source it but I know its been confirmed

[tepid stratus]

If they trim cryptek conclave down to be a 1pt detachment it'd actually see play

[tired cairn]

I wonder if all the legacy detachments will be 3pts or 2pts

[upper bluff]

They better not all be some of them are real stinkers

[sour sequoia]

Putting $5 on gladius being a 2pt detach

Space Marines players need it

[rocky shale]

All Imperial Agents detachments 1 point

How many stacking rules does it take to make them good

[raven meteor]

Oh huh
You can apply multiple detachments to an army now?

[rocky shale]

Well, in 11th yes

[past sphinx]

we could in yea oldin days

[junior summit]

first 0 point detachment

[raven meteor]

11th is indeed what I meant by 'now' :p
Well neat
I assume you have a given amount of detachment points to spend on your army so you can have one Big Subsystem or a few Little Subsystems?
Given these points are in 1s or 2s I assume they are their own thing and not like
'I sacrifice X amount of unit points on the board for souping up my army'

[rocky shale]

No it's just 2 points at 1k or 3 at 2k

[desert jay]

Or "who plays 3k?" at 3k

[floral herald]

Who does play 3k anyway

Escalation leaguers at the end I guess

[thin ibex]

ive played a fair few in crusade

3k i mean

my tau nar army appreciates the extra forces

[wide veldt]

My tau manta appreciated the half a normal army that can fit in it now (i dont have a manta lmao)

[valid brook]

Nobody does, it’s an urban legend

[thin ibex]

I ALMOST put one into the crusade list

But then I'd effectively be unable to play anything except 3k battles

Which is annoying

(We play online)

[sour sequoia]

My TO owns two

One is painted, even

[sonic hare]

to stands for tau owner

the manta is implicit

[wide veldt]

The manta is like

My “if i win the lottery there will be signs”

I want it v badly

[pale narwhal]

I'd get a manta and a warlord titan if I won lottery

after I wiped my student debt ofc

[pulsar cairn]

if i win the lottery im giving YOU a manta and a warlord titan

[quaint compass]

If I win the lottery, it's because I sold my manta and warlord titan to afford the scratchers

[sweet solar]

have they brought back armour facing yet

[quaint compass]

non

[mental birch]

If you play honous nenessy

(Horus heresy)

[sweet solar]

horus henessy

[still warren]

Looks like cities of sigmar but doubt they'll be getting any more reveals for a while

Maybe a dwarf unit?

[floral herald]

This trend of new kill teams getting their bighammer rules out first is driving me up the wall lmao

They look neat but I can’t glean that much from em

[tired cairn]

If they didn't say the order stops affecting them when the battle ends, would that mean you get to keep the order effects in the next game? :V

[floral herald]

Clearly yes

Idk if I’m picking up their big box but I’m 100% getting these guys

Some of my favorite guard sculpts

[pine matrix]

Warhammer 40k: Legacy

[desert jay]

Had the exact same thought

[sour sequoia]

The furtive ogre, so easily forgotten

[sour sequoia]

Did they give points values?

This is just kasrkin loadouts trading the good BS for infiltrate+stealth

[floral herald]

80 pts I believe

Which seems pretty good?

[sour sequoia]

Hmm

Yeah its Fine

[desert jay]

Cool enough but not as exciting as the red terror

[tired cairn]

Hard to compete with that tbf

[floral herald]

It’s always tricky to evaluate guard infantry cause they have so many datasheets lol

[sour sequoia]

Will elaborate when i get to the study spot

[raven meteor]

I assume 'autostubber' means a chainsaw grip lmg of some sort but I am amused by the idea of just a regular assault rifle like the one we have today being better than the laser guns

Like genuinely at that point why even have the laser guns

[floral herald]

Its bottom left I think

[raven meteor]

Yeahhhh makes sense

I love the look of rocket launcher guy
The big coats they have fuck

[desert jay]

Some units have regular modern assault rifles, they’re usually referred to as “autoguns”

[floral herald]

I guess it’s the M1919 to the heavy stubber’s M2

[sour sequoia]

Shoutout GSC rockin exclusively stubbers

[strong owl]

looking forward to making a version of these guys for my custom guard regiment lol

[floral herald]

I need their KT rules

[jaunty dawn]

I love how far the loader is falling behind the launcher here

He is fuuuucked

[tired cairn]

My understanding of the 40k universe is that stubbers/autoguns etc are cheaper/easier to make than lasguns but guard prefers lasguns for logistical reasons. The performance between the two is otherwise similar

[jaunty dawn]

In necromunda they have fairly different profiles but then van saar get las carbines which are just autoguns but better

[sour sequoia]

So the thing is these guys are great as soon as they’re below 120 cuz thats what people pay for 2x ratling squads, their job is to infiltrate and block pressure from full send running at you

They’re cheaper than a 10-man ratlings and tougher with the same defensive rules

[tired cairn]

I would expect van saar to get "gun but better" regardless of what it was though, ha

[sour sequoia]

Its really kinda boring but its a crucial unit role for deployment games that guard legitimately couldn’t fill until now

Recon Element getting good infiltrators + good cheap scouts in catachan is probably heinous but there’s like 20 guys who can run recon well total

[jaunty dawn]

I think a wargame built around a starting territory draft phase instead of one bolted on from emergent behaviour would be interesting

[junior robin]

clearly cable terminal for a electrician primaris techmarine lieutenant

[mental birch]

Weirdly IMO theyre still better with the humble lasgun on Juuve

[sour sequoia]

Space Wolves now heroic the way old Tau overwatched

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/xiczsalv/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-space-marines/

[tired cairn]

I get why they used A, but ew:

Also they are cowards for not phrasing it as "rolls to determine the D of a weapon"

[mental birch]

@tired cairn a Subtek with Lasgun and Mesh Armour is like 60 pts with a 4+ save

[thin ibex]

CADIAN recon squad?

come on now

[tired cairn]

At least they aren't obviously Cadian

[thin ibex]

im not saying cadians dont have recon teams, but like... catachans are right there. light infantry and recon specialists

[rocky shale]

First sentence is funny

[mental birch]

Finally

A baked in definition

[atomic apex]

Now waiting for a weapon to somehow accidentally contain plasma

[desert jay]

Another funny implication is that if you take a freeblade Castellan, the plasma decimator isn't a plasma weapon

(Or whatever agent unit has plasma gear. Deathwatch squads?)

[mental birch]

Adeptus Astartes keyword i hope

[tired cairn]

Plasma and Bolter are things they needed to add as keywords. But alas, we are stuck with this style of wording for another edition

[raven meteor]

Game designer tearing his hair out over the new overpowered Neoplasm Aperture weapon everyone's complaining about- 'how could we have avoided this,'

[desert jay]

No clue what they plan on doing for agents in 11e

Shot in the dark guess: You now need to spend one of your 3 detachment points on a 1-point agents detachment to take agent units

[tired cairn]

It is also funny that stealth doesn't seem to benefit from being in cover

How does the "70 new or updated detachments" math work if Black Templars and such are getting 3 o.O

[desert jay]

Space Marines getting a quarter of the 70 is not unexpected

[rocky shale]

If it means we get an army rule that isn't assigned agents...

[tired cairn]

"you get to mix and match detachments. But, uh, you only get one"

[desert jay]

Because remember, there's four categories of army:
Marines, Imperium (not marines), Chaos (still mostly marines), and Xenos (defined by the imperium)

[sour sequoia]

I’m fully expecting GK, Deathwatch, IA to become one army this point

[rocky shale]

Can't watch since I'm at work but apparently the video in that article says that battleshock now sticks around until you succeed a leadership test

Also the librarius detachment may have 5 enhancements and no strats?

[tired cairn]

Oh wow. That video is almost an hour long

[desert jay]

Someone mentioned BT's emperor's champion detachment also having 0 strats

[floral herald]

Lore accurate

We out here accepting any challenges that’s the strategy

[past sphinx]

god i didnt know i needed squad machineguns in 40k

are they mentioned any wizard reworks?

[thin ibex]

im still sad that the basic infantry squad in the guard can't have a heavy stubber

[sour sequoia]

Librarius doing a lot more just off the disciplines stuff it mentioned and then easily being able to mash with another detach, but no mention of psychic phase yet to my knowledge

[past sphinx]

hell yeah

i haev aquired a thunderfire cannon

time to terrorize like its 2012

[deft crest]

A lot of people I know was hoping they'd be gaunts ghosts

And now they'll be kitbashin them to be them

Also celestians are all +3 or +2 saves and that feels so fuckin funny

[pastel rampart]

https://bsky.app/profile/dreadquill.com/post/3mkx6j4wx7s2f

Dreadquill Rob (@dreadquill.com)

Oi mate you got a loicence for that weapon

Bluesky · May 3, 2026, 12:40 PM

[wide veldt]

This kinda thing is legitimately out of control in GWs rules lmao

Sometimes they write it like aliens

[pastel rampart]

Friend gave me some skull stampers they printed out and I finally found a use for'em.

https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-doi-stamp-tool-394209 From here.

[broken dew]

sick

[pastel rampart]

Super simple way to get purity seals now. The parchment is just thin plasticard, in this case a for sale sign (they're a very cheap way to get thin plasticard btw).

[broken dew]

i'd probably just use plaplate since i have it

[pastel rampart]

That also works. You could also use paper or index cards/poster paper for it too, would be easier to make it look wiggly and waving.

[broken dew]

mhm

[floral herald]

You know, I somehow hadn’t realized that the dark elves are the USians of Warhammer fantasy until now

[upper canopy]

Canadians technically

But yes

[sour sequoia]

This tracks for Quebecois

[tired cairn]

wait, what?

[upper canopy]

The Old World is just the earth but greebled and with Atlantis

And Naggarond is in Canada

[mental birch]

Slaveowning elves who left Albion

Yes

[pale narwhal]

cadian specter killteam rules just dropped

honestly I kinda dig them

[floral herald]

Same

Funky team

[pale narwhal]

I seem to be drawn towards weird questionably good shooty killteams (battleclade and now spectres)

[jaunty dawn]

The loader can put rocket into any of the guns

[floral herald]

I think clade is pretty good now

I really am digging spectres though

Non-elite Phobos

[deft crest]

Clade can now pull a Pocket melta out of nowhere more often so that rules

[main pagoda]

peak

[jaunty dawn]

Oh made to order

Hey um gw make a taros campaign crusade book and make to order elysians

[pastel rampart]

I got a 4th one printing lmao

[sour sequoia]

Triple nerfing yarrick within 24hrs of release while defilers continue to ransack the entire game with several weeks of proof is hilarious

[soft willow]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[sour sequoia]

Oh I play GSC I promise I aint new here

Its just funny as fuck

[floral herald]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-chaos-fun-party-costume-gif-13764258

One true answer

[sour sequoia]

Marines Players Need The Help

God lets see wheres the canhammer pic when you need it

Number of defilers at a 28-team, 8-man teams tourney last weekend

[vital barn]

apparently the new admech heavy infantry had different rules in the instruction booklets than they did when first released online, which is just funny honestly

[sour sequoia]

Where you can’t duplicate armies for teams

[vital barn]

that's what, about 50?

[sour sequoia]

Yeah somebody gutted their gun profiles post-printing which is hilarious, actual vendetta levels

[vital barn]

pretty classic for admech though

meanwhile Mechanicum continues flexing on people with the best 3+ save medium infantry in 30k

[floral herald]

So that’s why I can’t fucken buy one

(Store I meant to buy from opened early and I didn’t realize and they sold out in an hour)

[desert jay]

Well it's also a cool model

[vital barn]

counted 'em, 63 defilers

[desert jay]

Can a WE and EC army on the same team both take Defilers?

[sour sequoia]

Unlike loyalist marines who all have their shitty little uniques and then pull from the main marines codex

Every chaos cult legion has their own datasheet with its own abilities

And thus you can fit 15 defilers on one team rn and they’re frankly all busted just on firepower economy

[desert jay]

I couldn't remember because I recall Chaos Daemons daemons and cult-codex daemons counted as the same guys

[pulsar cairn]

do chaos cultists have their own army or are they only supporting units for chaos space marines?

[desert jay]

The latter

[pulsar cairn]

i see

nothing like traitor guard then

[main pagoda]

well they exist as like a single unit

[pulsar cairn]

[desert jay]

Traitor guard used to exist in various forms but yeah currently just like 4 units in CSM

[sour sequoia]

They exist as a full army, in the CSM codex

There is almost no overlap between Chaos Cult and CSM tbh

And its a very, very fucking good army

[main pagoda]

my forever hope is we get bloodpact or sons of sek

but i know its not happening

[sour sequoia]

There’s just a type of guy who starts screaming crying throwing up when they dont get a $60 codex and 6 detachments for like 4 datasheets

Behold the 7th ed knights codex

[vital barn]

they used to be Renegades and Heretics, which was actually a banger army but was a Forge World list that was fully intended to be a convert-your-own and as such did not survive the transition to 8th, when all of those were culled

(Unending Host was giga busted but the army itself was great fun)

the basic idea survives with 30k Militia and Cults, which can still throw some interesting curveballs out

rogue psykers have not been good in literally any edition though

RIP those guys

[desert jay]

I know some people were even rooting for as much as a "scratch off IMPERIUM and write in CHAOS" detachment for Astra Militarum

[main pagoda]

broodbrothers esq

[pulsar cairn]

i suppose that's a problem too...it ending up being just the guard but chaosy

[main pagoda]

i remember when these dropped and they looked sick but i have never actually seen them

[sour sequoia]

Accursed Cultists + Dark Commune is a staple

Traitor Enforcers either solo or with the traitor guard are also insanely good

[main pagoda]

a proper stalk tank would be awesome

[rocky shale]

The guard previews are bit sauceless tbh

[pulsar cairn]

sorry, sent that by accident

[jaunty dawn]

I dont really rate renegades tbh

[floral herald]

They used to be premier objective babysitters but I think they’re just screening now but solid

[jaunty dawn]

They used to have silly regeneration and now they just have solid regeneration I think

[vital barn]

the LI stalkers are actually about the right size for stalk tanks but since the scale is different they come out pretty spindly

given the thing's basically a walking heavy weapon plus a couple of lasguns that's proof against small arms, basically the smallest thing that genuinely counts as armour, it's basically just a funky chaos sentinel

or a kataphron with legs

[sour sequoia]

They’re cheap good melee with pacts access that surge move and have a weird toughness/FnP breakpoint

The big ones actually fuckin crank for killing marines

Add the Commune and they get really fast + add a 5+ invuln which on the FnPs, toughness, wound scamming makes them genuinely hard units to deal with efficiently and an excellent first wave trading piece

[tired cairn]

I am increasingly worried that the new detachments scheme is mostly going to be detachments that are for very limited lists of units

[sour sequoia]

The existing detaches are almost all gonna be 3pt or 2pt

The new stuff they’ve mentioned is explicitly very focused, its a return to 9th style

[rocky shale]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/s/C7zza4v66E

Yeah these are all 1pt

[marsh tree]

<-grumpy red terror isn't going to be playable

[rocky shale]

Huh?

[marsh tree]

Yea

[rocky shale]

It has a datasheet

[marsh tree]

So do other non-playable operatives

[desert jay]

Oh, you mean KT-playable?

[rocky shale]

Oh you mean in kill team?

[marsh tree]

Some missions are co-operative or otherwise vs environment

yea

[rocky shale]

Ywah a single model just isn't functional in normal missions

[marsh tree]

It would have been so funny!

[rocky shale]

You'd just lose on objective every time

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408452338622267401/1501616556407390342/tumblr_4981882a2eed4064a5ac5dabc710f294_a61858a1_1280.png?ex=69fcb8e5&is=69fb6765&hm=4c9747d0eec4713770716c68b72110ae98e3d0b81447118b4f705ed346658347&

[floral herald]

You can get kinda close to the experience with Raveners at least

[marsh tree]

oh well

Fingers crossed for a Sisters of Silence kill team

[rocky shale]

You can take them with inquisitorial agents KT as requisitioned units

[floral herald]

Insidiants also have a pretty similar theme but they’re SoB

[rocky shale]

You can get so many flamers it's hilarious

[floral herald]

They’re a really fun team

Tons of short ranged firepower and Silent guns and you get buffs for stunting on people

[rocky shale]

Oh I meant SOS in agents

[floral herald]

Oh, well they have that in common haha

[deft crest]

All the insidiants also have Shock on their weapons much to my delight

[pastel rampart]

https://bsky.app/profile/opensketchbook.bsky.social/post/3ml4iztkvak2g Scrungaloids got taken down 😔

Erika Chappell 🏳️‍⚧️ Stop Asking For STLs (@opensketchbook.bsky.social)

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well, cults has told me nothing except that the request game straight from GW. i'm gonna let this sit a bit before considering what i do next, but given the free kits are still up, that'll probably be what i do going forward

Bluesky · May 5, 2026, 3:32 PM

[jaunty dawn]

Got scrungle’d :(

[pastel rampart]

Total bullshit of course, but GW gonna GW.

[jaunty dawn]

I was procrastinating on downloading from the patreon due to not having a functional printer but I wanted to sort something out for june :(((

[pastel rampart]

I'm sure if you message Erika she'll work something out.

[floral herald]

I’m not shocked but I am disappointed

[upper bluff]

This is awful news 😔

[stark cypress]

Hmmmm if GW did this.

[upper bluff]

Scrungaloids is Canon or whatever the joke is when gw cease and desists something

[stark cypress]

Uh, are they gonna start sending take down requests to Myminifactory? Because, uh, there are a lot of figures/models that are either !NotMarines or !NotKrieg that are almost 1:1.

[paper bluff]

GW of the 80's would look at the GW of now and say "what happened to you man?"

[sour sequoia]

The thing about krieg is they’re such a pastiche of wwi Grim stuff if they came out today they’d be accused of being AI slop

You can’t copyright fucking shit on em

[stark cypress]

Yeah.

[paper bluff]

Well ww1 in general

[stark cypress]

And besides Krieg there are also !NotCadian, !NotElysian, and !NotValhallan models too on Myminifactory.

[floral herald]

I like how this implies the existence of chill and bright parts of ww1

[sour sequoia]

Space Marines actually are something you can enforce the aesthetics on. God only knows why they chose scrungaloids and not the flashgitz slop but here we are

[vital barn]

elysians are vaguely recognisable but Cadians are just Generic Scifi Trooper 500

[sour sequoia]

Who are also all frankly generic as fuck lmaooo

[vital barn]

and Valhallans are just Russkies

[raven meteor]

It's pointed out in that thread that tons of projects that make third party models have not been targeted in this way
The uncharitable reading that readily jumps to my mind is 'someone in GW didn't like the project that's explicitly almost entirely about mocking space marines'

[stark cypress]

Why can't they stop being knobheads.

[paper bluff]

French

German

Kreig

[vital barn]

best bit about the new krieg kits is the artillery

that artillery kit is gorgeous, shame I have to swap out all the bodies to make my beloved 30k Militia shitguns

BS2? doesn't matter, it's a huge template that costs zero money, it'll hit something and I have three of them

the space marines are not prepared for the Mechanicum deliberately adopting Ork tactics

[floral herald]

Modern Krieg paint jobs are kinda blue which is fun

[stark cypress]

Yeah, they can be cool.

[vital barn]

I do think 40k lost a little something when it got rid of the large blast template, NGL

[marsh tree]

capitalism happened I think

[stark cypress]

If GW didn't hadn't done this, I would have bought some new sprues and painted up with the Army Painter's new Patriotic War set

[vital barn]

the small ones were usually just annoying, but blowing big holes in enemy formations with pie plates is a joy

and it was fun to deliberately hand giant guns to dirt-cheap gunners with conscript/ork/servitor ballistic skill because template scatter was way more forgiving than regular shooting

[floral herald]

Small blasts were bad but large blasts were kino yeah

[vital barn]

accuracy by volume

[floral herald]

Small blasts were basically just “this hits 3 guys”

[stark cypress]

Divine skeleton death blast

Wipes everything, but will crash your game.

[sour sequoia]

Did you ever see the old Manticore rule you could actually build a tool for

[floral herald]

The what now?

[vital barn]

oh yeah the overlapping barrage template thingy

that was always a bit odd

[floral herald]

The apocalypse barrage?

[sour sequoia]

Where you’d place a blast, scatter 1d3 more blasts sequentially and they couldn’t break overlap more than center-to-edge

Each time you fired

[floral herald]

https://i.etsystatic.com/11294372/r/il/af726e/1046807813/il_570xN.1046807813_2ltc.jpg

[sour sequoia]

So that wouldn’t do it because manticores explicitly created a line of blasts

[floral herald]

Ah I see this is different

[sour sequoia]

But similar vibes

[vital barn]

the tool was this fucking thing

[floral herald]

Oh god

[sour sequoia]

Baby’s first tau list was abt 1500pts of actual tau, then two manticores, guardsmen screens and an aegis defense line

Use the manticores to flush people out into tau firing

[vital barn]

the worst blast gaming I've ever seen was HH1e

where quadmortars fired some stupid number of small blasts that didn't pen marine armour

[floral herald]

The original thunderfire cannon did that

[marsh tree]

I need it

[floral herald]

I hated it since I played orks

[vital barn]

and throwing frags was statistically better than firing bolters without Fury of the Legion so you literally had 20 man marine squads sprinting up and throwing 20 grenades one by one

[floral herald]

“Apocalypse barrage” template if you want it Etsy sells them

[vital barn]

(if your opponent was a prick, anyway)

HH1e large blasts were also incredibly broken because artillery was S10 AP2 barrage and as such was essentially a boardwide deletion cannon

HH3e has reined them in a lot and Solar Auxilia demo cannon spam is still pretty fucking terrifying

[jaunty dawn]

Tbf the thunderfire cannon and quad launcher are basically the same thing

[marsh tree]

I meant in the game

[tired cairn]

Clearly you just need to play the right version of apocalypse 😛

[stark cypress]

Huh

Hey, apparently, the First Born are back?

But as a made to order thing?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/gpaqpfb5/the-vostroyan-firstborn-return-for-a-made-to-order-muster/

[rocky shale]

They do MTO stuff all the time without writing rules or anything

[stark cypress]

Did they do MTO for Elysians?

[desert jay]

Elysians have not gotten a MTO run so far

[stark cypress]

ah

[desert jay]

And the previous Vostroyan MTO was in Dec 2018

[stark cypress]

Oh huh

[sour sequoia]

Elysians are gonna be dead as all shit given they've only ever been FW, who GW seems really intent on putting into the grave

vostroyans they can rev up old stuff

[desert jay]

Where's the Tallarn and Mordian at?

[sonic hare]

alone with the canoness tho?

[thin ibex]

I want Valhallans but I don't know what rule they'd have over the krieg. Maybe easier access to cover?

[floral herald]

Baked in respawns

[raven meteor]

So have we actually seen the bighammer version of the red terror, I know we have eyes on the cadian guys

[rocky shale]

Yes

They posted both on the same day

[raven meteor]

Where? Googling it is yielding nothing useful and I've always found the website hard to find stuff in

[atomic apex]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/fituxx6v/red-terror-rules-revealed-for-warhammer-40000/

[raven meteor]

Thank you!!

[atomic apex]

130 points

[raven meteor]

So it's like
An anti-infantry monster with lots of sustain
Neat!

[tired cairn]

Very good at eating space marines. Especially in synapse range

[soft willow]

I mean sometimes a hive mind evolves a critter to have one job, and this one's job is to eat space marines.

[floral herald]

Is the red terror the last of the political joke name characters to make it?

I guess the red gobbo sort of counts

[soft willow]

I can't think of any that we're missing off the top of my head.

[runic swallow]

Red Gobbo absolutely counts with the whole communist revolutionary thing he has going on

[tired cairn]

It should be bad at combat but cause a lot of battleshock effects to better fit the name then :V

[floral herald]

Tenehuini got renamed but is technically still around

[floral herald]

Yeah but I gotta post it cause it cracks me up

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Robinson_(trade_unionist)

[runic swallow]

I think all the skinks were pun names weren’t they?

[floral herald]

I think they were all puns or Dutch

[runic swallow]

Wait, Dutch?

[floral herald]

Oh that’s only Total War:Warhammer

Oops

But apparently all the autogenerated lord names for them are Dutch

[tired cairn]

I am thinking of the Red Scare. Oops

[zealous vapor]

I suppose some of you already know this but gosh

it really sucks when you make a video on something you find adoring and then GW just had to come in and ruin it

they are not even standing on any legal ground for this bullshit, dammit

I like Scrungaloid dammit

[pine matrix]

Yeah, I was gutted about that, I'd have said they come under parody law for sure

#freescungaloids

[zealous vapor]

they 100% do, these are legally distinct designs, and like, there's knockoff models that look one to one (some are frankly superior to GW's quality too) but GW won't even touch them because they have no ground sueing those either

[reef pagoda]

the 3d knockoff scene is so cool i love the offbrand names people come up with, Dawn of Scuffles 2 is my favourite i've seen so far (for a dawn of war 2 adaptation)

also "boobs" for slaanesh guns and flayed flesh armour

[past sphinx]

finally

every unit can be lead by the greatest space marine to ever live

in every type of armor, on every type of vehicle, in every configuration of unit

[pine matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-clone-wars-begun-the-clone-war-has-gif-21159557

[paper bluff]

Re: red gobbo/ robbo

I think that being a part of the lore is one of the main reasons that I genuinely believe that the Margaret Thatcher and Mag uruck thrakka is actually true

Like is that robbo gobbo wasn't there, i think it name being pulled from her name is like "okay yeah haha it's kinda close but nah" but it 100% is

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWRJIAYhIcc

[main pagoda]

10 seconds in and we get a full on thinking monkey vs lion moment

[tired cairn]

Wait, really? Lmao
https://bsky.app/profile/irhottakes.bsky.social/post/3mlbsgdwrhk2q

Starfire’s Deranged Neocon Foreign Policy Podcast (@irhottakes.bsky.social)

-# ↩ Starfire’s Deranged Neocon Foreign Policy Podcast (@irhottakes.bsky.social)
Reminded of that Warhammer bit where the Space Wolves lost the holy spear of Lemon Russ and their 10,000 year-old corpse robot grandpa says “idk why you guys are so upset, the only time he used it was when he got drunk and tried to throw it at the moon.”

Bluesky · May 7, 2026, 6:03 PM

[vital barn]

oh those Ruststalkers are cool as hell

love the cloak on them

and I do like the Marshal with his plasma caliver bodyguards

[main pagoda]

its so on brand

nerd shit

[vital barn]

my favourite moment there is the one someone mentions further into that thread where Guilliman comes back, walks into the shrine the Ultras made out of his old office and immediately starts sweeping the dust off his old dataslates and lounging in his old throne, at least as much as someone permanently locked into a massive suit of power armour can lounge

and every Ultra officer who sees this has to resist the temptation to castigate Dad for sacrilege

"dude, it's a chair, I used it to sit in, what do you think I used it for?"

[tired cairn]

That was a really great moment

RIP orks being the trailer jobbers though lol

[vital barn]

I feel bad for the Orks

although I think the necron mains were angriest over that one enginseer throwing hands with lychguard

Admech finally scores a couple of Ws (ten seconds of animated footage)

[raven meteor]

Now that I think about it
You don't really see Mechanicus vs Chaos a lot do you
They're usually the Designated Xenos Fighters of the Imperium

Admittedly, I'm not as deep in the weeds of Warhammer lore as many but from the stuff I've consumed it seems when Chaos shows up within 10 miles of Mechanicus most writers have them either all die instantly or start bolting flesh tentacles onto themselves also

[vital barn]

they tend to get instantly chumped whenever chaos shows up because lol scrapcode

in older books they do better, a Forge World goes blow for blow with Abbadon's armada in the Night Lords books, priests are really scary in the Word Bearers omnibus and in Titanicus it's loyal titan legion vs traitor titan legion without anyone getting warp corrupted

[raven meteor]

Eyyyyyy

[vital barn]

but in newer books it's just "skitarii go pew pew a bit, kill 1d6 marines, chaos marine presses the instantly fuck the forge world button on his PDA and that's all she wrote"

this happens literally more often than it doesn't, I made a list somewhere

see here

[raven meteor]

I like seeing (or rather, mentally conceptualizing because they never happen) Rare Fights
Mechanicus vs Thousand Sons
Sisters Of Battle vs Dark Eldar
Orks vs Tyrannids

[vital barn]

since then there's a couple of additions, there's Lords of Silence where the Skitarii are not chumped although they do lose, like in Twice-Dead King, and The Silent King where they, wonder of wonders, actually manage to hack someone else

by building a new toy called a Frame Stabilizer that lets them lock out necron phasing and then fucking with their shit

they had a bunch of those so I think it's just in the arsenal now, cute toy

[raven meteor]

😌
Mechanicus fucking with necron tech instead of the other way around, the world is healing

[vital barn]

a myrmidon being able to grab a phased-out wraith and punch the shit out of it was pretty fun

but I think that's literally the only case I know of of a techpriest doing offensive hacking rather than just clearing out all the instant mind control scrapcode, which they do in a lot of books

[main pagoda]

as a full fledge member of the green team, it is our job to be the mulch and you know what im okay with that

[vital barn]

also like, it's a dozen boyz

even pretty broke ork leaders don't notice losing a dozen boyz

that just tells them where there might be a fight today

[main pagoda]

also

the boyz dont mind dying in a fight

it wouldn't be a fight if you couldn't die and thats just no fun

thats grots work

[vital barn]

Skitarii are also expendable chumps but they look more tricked out so this isn't brought up as much

there's a fun moment in the Skitarii book, which is otherwise mid, where a few divisions of Skitarii get wiped out after a whole book of fighting Iron Warriors and the techpriest in charge just looks down from orbit and goes "alright lads, good recon by fire, send in the actual first wave" before a few million skits deploy properly

(they still manage to somehow lose multiple forge worlds due to the events of this book despite being on the offensive for the entire duration, go figure)

eradication beamers go zap

the lore for these has always been incomprehensible but I like the newer version, which is "this is a power field projector, but instead of empowering a physical object we just point the molecular disruption cone at the target"

[thin ibex]

im gonna love the walkers different weapon options

i do like the two mode gun, but i always feel obligated to take the neutron laser

and the icarus array seems really cool also but not a strong take

[mental birch]

Such is the fate of thr admech

[upper bluff]

It makes me so sad they're such jobbers

[upper canopy]

Man Orks were getting robbed by marines in their own dang trailer

[mental birch]

Lol the bots are the gunny version

[pastel rampart]

Gonna laugh if orks end up being OP in the game at launch.

[lost rock]

I just learned about scrungaloids today and I am already sad.

I just want to figure how to play it on tabletop sim now.

[pastel rampart]

https://bsky.app/profile/davidaug.bsky.social/post/3mlb7pyn5jk2c

David Augustyn Art (@davidaug.bsky.social)

"Two Scrungaloid foragers fight to the death over a firearm. Their packmate, holding two, observes."

I have not been able to stop thinking about @opensketchbook.bsky.social 's Scrungaloids since I first saw them. I also cannot stop compulsively saying the word "Scrungaloid" and giggling to myself.

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Bluesky · May 7, 2026, 12:28 PM

[charred bridge]

Spy vs spy energy

[stark cypress]

And amid those two

There stands...the humble guard.

Trillion upon trillion of fodder.

Yet they have even felled the mightiest of warriors.

Of course, after much screaming and panic firing to do so.

[mental birch]

Was mostly joking tgat the axmech are cultivators

[stark cypress]

Oh

[desert jay]

Multi-track drift it

[thin ibex]

multi-trukk

[soft willow]

Big explosion to crash into both

Honestly this isn’t so much “the ork trolly problem” as it is the “ork trolly opportunity”

[quaint compass]

The problem is seizing the orkportunity

[thin ibex]

Need more lads so they can krump both

[floral herald]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer/s/qFd0DQ4Itx

Oh my god

[main pagoda]

i know its bait but this is comedy

[past sphinx]

theres a new nightlords detachment!

and its fucking dogshit

https://tenor.com/view/ramsay-bolton-theon-greyjoy-reek-game-of-thrones-tradition-gif-16893280409098973085

[floral herald]

As is tradi- lol

[thin ibex]

Might end up getting a boost in 11th cause bshock seems to be more impactful in 11th

[desert jay]

The good news is that I think they said all the Faction Focus detachments are gonna be 1 DP?

Oh also the bshock doesn't automatically clear, it only clears on successful leadership roll

So... might be decent to throw in if you got a lot of fly guys

[tired cairn]

Time for Shadow in the Warp to get even more swingy 😌

Sucks for the cool-aid man abilities that trigger battleshock though

[sour sequoia]

To our knowledge, 90% of the codex detaches are also set to be 2DP

so think more in terms of this being on top of say, pactbound or huron's or renegade warband.
My assumption is Raiders is in line for 3DP unless it eats some scope reductions and nerfs cuz jesus christ

[desert jay]

Raiders IIRC did get nerfs already to bring it more in line, but also I could see rolling the nerfs back a bit to make it worthy of the 3DP

[rocky shale]

I can't see them making a ton of 3s just because you can't use them in 1k games

[pulsar cairn]

the word "dogshit" makes me laugh

talking about atlas comment

[reef pagoda]

using the knight chaintalon and claw to make a karnivore with cartoonishly large weapons? yes

[tired cairn]

Yeah, they confirmed that "most" codex detachments would be 2 DP and all of the new/updated ones will be 1 DP

Some interesting changes to Heavy. I think I preferred the elegance of did/did not stay still but w/e. It requiring not being engaged makes a lot of sense though

In your Shooting phase, each time an attack is made with a [HEAVY] weapon, add 1 to the hit roll if all of the following apply to the attacking unit:

• That unit is unengaged.

• That unit was not set up on the battlefield this turn.

• No model in that unit has moved more than 3" this turn.

[pulsar cairn]

do they look cool at least?

[desert jay]

Yeah. Which means (if they're smart) it's gonna end up reserved for regiment-of-renown style stuff where you have very specific compositions, and for focusing on stuff like superheavies that can be problematic at 1k

[jaunty dawn]

3” of movement feels a little random but could be interesting

Feels kinda like the combat speed for vehicles before

[rocky shale]

It's already the movemebt speed of heavy weapons teams in IG

[jaunty dawn]

Wild

[sour sequoia]

Unironically that being a massive buff to some goofy ass units like neophytes and guard HWTs is hilarious

If I can respawn out, walk 3”, keep heavy?

[rocky shale]

I believe being set up also disqualifies you from heavy that turn

[brittle salmon]

Respawning counts as being set up that turn, so it's a no go

[mild glen]

The GW flight stands are the worst and I hate them and why do I never see anyone else's breaking?

[pseudo shuttle]

soon,i shall check to see if my brushes survived the years in storage

after that, buy new brushes if i need them
and then finally its painting time

also find a good tool for applying texture paints

[pseudo shuttle]

...intrusive thought that a coffee stirer may be a good tool for texture paint

[mental birch]

It is

[pseudo shuttle]

oh it is?

[sour sequoia]

The cult ambush, yes. The icon reanimation protocols, no. Cmon Briar have a little faith in my ability to be a fucking rat

Many times I’ll kill heavy n special guns first, respawn 5, use it like a free move

[pseudo shuttle]

...this reminds me i need to go look at strategems at some point

[brittle salmon]

that's fair

[vital barn]

such a shame I can't do that with domitars

I have to restrict myself to having absurd per-model regen on my terminator mulchers

[pseudo shuttle]

i keep being surprised by how similar these 2 detatchments are

honestly im looking at em and to my unexperienced eyes vanguard seems (mostly) better for what i want

[sour sequoia]

This one is the big deal

The enhancements are better when you know whats going on but this strat is the big one

[pseudo shuttle]

oh damm that does look helpfull

[sour sequoia]

Omni-move is just genuinely the best rule in the game and this means you have a squad of omni-move Vanguard Vets

Because fuckin Kayvaan Shrike is Phobos tag

[pseudo shuttle]

those are the like
knight looking dudes right?

[sour sequoia]

They’re the more elite jump pack fellas, what got revealed in 11th ed starter box

[jaunty dawn]

Jetpack power sword dudes

[pseudo shuttle]

ooh

those do sound up my alley

[sour sequoia]

Everybody gets a melta pistol and a good power sword, lethal hits on charge + kayvaan’s pile of really good rules

[pseudo shuttle]

they sound pretty good even without shrike from the sounds of it

[jaunty dawn]

why did they give vanvets inferno pistols what

Not that theyll keep them

[sour sequoia]

The average marines player cannot comprehend winning a game without free anti-tank on every unit

Now remember shadowmark has turn 1 DS/Rapid and +1 to wound Oath lmfaooo

[jaunty dawn]

Penny mad abt decision made 13 years ago

[pseudo shuttle]

oh wait are they old marines?

[jaunty dawn]

Until next edition yeah

[sour sequoia]

They are currently old marines, 11th ed release is updating em

They’re the models everyone is really mad about being space marines when they asked for space marines

[jaunty dawn]

Theyre good models tbh idgi

[pseudo shuttle]

...i really need to go find some battlereports

[floral herald]

Kinda blood angels themed without only being blood angels maybe?

I’m not totally sure how “melta weapons” became a thing for them but it’s been around a while

[pseudo shuttle]

need to find somebody using roughly what i wana use so i can watch and reverse engineer what to do

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah dante had an inferno pistol since 2e and its just extrapolated from there

I think giving vanilla vanvets inferno pistols was probably just ultramarine writers mad theres something they didnt get

[floral herald]

lol true

[pseudo shuttle]

actually ...hmm

do people make guides on like
"how to play [X] in 10th edition"

tell you what sort of army to put together what to do on the field etc etc

[jaunty dawn]

Oh no okay it was a 10e change

In 9e it was a blood angel and deathwatch only option

So its just wanting to spend less and less text complicating wargear options I guess

[main pagoda]

Yes plenty of people do

[mental birch]

I'm trying to put together a Mechanicum guide for heresy

Hahahaa 🙁

[pseudo shuttle]

oh thats good to know

[sour sequoia]

10/10 slander

Did you know your bedroom window doesn’t lock

[past sphinx]

Only primarch to be defeated by a window screen

[tired cairn]

Probably can't see windows very well and keeps stunning himself by flying into them

[bright dove]

This is why you never go full bird. Can't handle windows anymore.

[thin ibex]

I'm playing a meme wulfn list today and I'm hoping that my opponent doesn't realize that if they can precision my leaders out, 90% of my army has no OC

[past sphinx]

average eldar list

[thin ibex]

Lol

[past sphinx]

40 pheonix lords at every minor skrimish

[tired cairn]

"why do we keep losing all our irreplaceable leaders"
"well, you send nearly all of them out to fight, and the only reason it's not literally all of them is because one of them gets sacrificed to Khain"

[past sphinx]

i bring the full invuln space wolves list against eldar just to make them feel what its like

[thin ibex]

i just know that generally normal non hammer wulfen are considered bad, as are, generally, wulfen dreads; so i wanted to do a 13th company theme list to use "bad" stuff

[past sphinx]

"no no every single guy has a 4++"

[thin ibex]

lol

isnt that also just daemons too?

[past sphinx]

yeah but thats cringe

[tired cairn]

Custodes

[thin ibex]

yeah but stodes dont really do high volume

[past sphinx]

their just dog flavoured possessed without the hammers

put em in a dog crate land raider and catapult into the backline

[thin ibex]

but they have a beefy 9" move base

[past sphinx]

but its funnier on turn 1

[desert jay]

Hey not everyone stacks up on aspect warriors. However yes the aspect warriors are incredibly cool so I can’t blame those that do

[marsh tree]

What are y’all’s thoughts on Total Warhammer/Old World Cathay?

[main pagoda]

they look sick

100 million ballons my life is a fuck

[marsh tree]

agreed

but idk, I get the vibes that they're a bit too fantastic compared to the other factions, especially with the lack of chaos corruption given they're the second most magical faction after high elves IIRC

[main pagoda]

kinda but thats the point of them

they are meant to be this far away magic place compared to the shitshow of the empire

[reef pagoda]

my tournament playing friend keeps saying something about unpainted cathay balloons a while ago

but i really like their statue models

[jaunty dawn]

I saw a scratchbuilt one the other day but it was painted and I just respect the hustle

[still warren]

The balloons were nuts op from my understanding on release but have been toned down. And their army book even from an in-universe propaganda perspective was pretty glaze heavy even just vs their little blurbs on all their techs from the total warhammer game

[main pagoda]

oh balance wise they were turbo fucked

[mental birch]

Gunline . Army

[thin ibex]

total warhammer im quietly super excited about but curious to see what comes of it, because i knew they'd have to develop a bunch of new ways to handle things rather than their classic total war formula

old world cathay is just sick

great looking models

[runic swallow]

Just be aware their games are almost always a bit of a mess (to some degree or another) on release

[misty violet]

Yeah CA has very much been a "Fix it in post (launch updates and paid content)" sort of company since at least Rome 2

[jaunty dawn]

I wonder when ice ppl will come out in old world

I forgot their name

[misty violet]

Kislev, yeah. It's sort of a mystery why they haven't shown up in New Fantasy yet

But if I had to guess it's really just that people didn't seem to get very excited about them in Total War

[jaunty dawn]

I think its just them having a limited amount of new model budget and most of it went to cathay

But eventually

[misty violet]

Oh definitely eventually, they've shown their model concept art and some other bits and bobs

[jaunty dawn]

Mm

[misty violet]

I just think the designs they ultimately went with didn't fire people up like they wanted them to. At least, that's the only real explanation I can credit for why Cathay got it's model range launch and a further update before we've even seen the Kislev models teased

[bright dove]

Cathay's a more fun, unique hook that gives the Old World its own stuff to buy.

[misty violet]

Besides, maybe, political reasons? That I don't know if I can really give too much credit, but I could see it coming up in the conversations at the GW office

[bright dove]

Kislev is nice, Kislev is cool, I don't think it has the juice.

[misty violet]

Yeah, I think the big thing is that Cathay is very distinct from the rest of the roster and Kislev is sort of neither fish nor fowl in between Chaos and the Empire

[misty violet]

Making their generic infantry buff dudes in sleeveless jackets was a weird choice, I won't lie

They did end up getting a basic infantry unit with sleeves, but it was added later on as FreeLC alongside a DLC

I think, ironically, Kislev would have had significantly more juice if they had leaned more into historical designs (to parallel the Empire and to a lesser extent Bretonnia)

[main pagoda]

probably once they stop with the porting over

[main pagoda]

wdym?

[misty violet]

Total War: Warhammer 3 released on February 17th 2022, Russia launched it's full scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24th 2022 and I can imagine that, and the ongoing fallout of world opinion towards Russia, may have cooled GW interest in launching their new Warhammer Fantasy edition with a Russian-inspired faction

I don't know how much that conversation was actually had but I can certainly see it influencing them deciding to push Cathay more than Kislev as the face of New Fantasy, especially after Kislev had been the poster faction for Total War Warhammer 3 all the way up to launch

[main pagoda]

i doubt it cause Kislev is more just eastern europe/steppe people the mix

i think it really is kislev is just too similar to empire

[misty violet]

Ironically I think Kislev was ultimately too different from the Empire, in terms of the target audience

But I also see what you mean

I just don't think they, as they have been conceptualized in Total War, actually appeal to any part of the Warhammer audience more than another faction does

People who want historical-esque human everymen want to play the Empire or Bretonnia. People who want to play the huge beefy ripped pagans will play the Norscans or Chaos. If you want beardy drunk gunlines you can even play the dwarfs

The original tabletop kossars look like this, which I think there is definitely an audience for

In Total War Warhammer they look like this

Which just feels like it's splitting the difference between too many things

[thin ibex]

Oh yeah I know, I'm not the typical CA or GW forum goer looking for things to flame about

Not to say that the mess isn't worth criticism, just that I'll probably be enjoying it before and after fixes

[runic swallow]

Oh I more was saying that in case you weren’t aware to temper expectations

[main pagoda]

i mean the main thing that sets them apart is A) lots of guns B) lots of hybrid units C) Human faction with monsters/big cav

its also the fact that their actual visual design sets them quite far apart from other order humans

[bright dove]

I'd do a Kislev army for purposes of Bears, yeah.

[misty violet]

I feel like the only thing they really have, of those mechanical niches, is the hybrid units. The Empire has guns as well, and even more of them ultimately, and has Heavy and Monstrous cav in basically the exact same niches (if worse, admittedly).

I really like the hybrid units, to be clear

And I actually really like playing Kislev

I think the larger issue is lack of an aesthetic identity that people like, besides bears

If you google "Kislev infantry" in images the third image is a reskin mod

[main pagoda]

well its bears lancers ice magic theres a whole lot

[misty violet]

Oh I means bears as a thing that people like

[main pagoda]

kislev as well have the bonus point of just being a faction being like

[misty violet]

Also, I should qualify, I'm just trying to say what I think are the reasons we haven't really seen any more of Kislev in a long while from GW while getting more Cathay stuff relatively consistently

[main pagoda]

tbh i think the primary reason imho is that they haven't finished up killing the stuff in AoS to port it TOW

[misty violet]

Yeah admittedly TOW seems to have had big development problems/GW has really wavered in their confidence around it

Because the release schedule has been glacial, even if it is a specialist game in GW's mind

[main pagoda]

has it?

its kinda every 3 months we get something which is normal for specialist games

LI,necromunda and TOW are all kinda in the same 3 monthy new thing release schedule

[misty violet]

No you're right, I guess I still have it in my head because TOW was announced in 2020 and was only released in 2024

Which feels like a really long turnaround for GW

[main pagoda]

well they said it would be

unfortunately its the nature of the beast when your making/reviving a new system

I do think TOW is in a really good position rn its just the last 2(?) AJs we need

the new books and models (shout out to the new marauders) have been chefs kiss tier releases

[past sphinx]

slooooooow going

[wide veldt]

Learning more about the flesh eater courts and man

This gotta be one of the best undead factions of all time (i know theyre kinda alive but)

[runic swallow]

Yeah they’re some good stuff

Emperor has no clothes kinda stuff

[past sphinx]

flesh eater courts are baller as hell

AoS has all the banger undead factions

[runic swallow]

Except the Tomb Kings, RIP to my boys

[past sphinx]

their

fine

i think they are improved by making them robots

[runic swallow]

I mean kinda, but also the part of me that grew up with The Mummy loves them

[past sphinx]

on one hand the most stereotypical option of an undead faction

[runic swallow]

Undeniably

[past sphinx]

but they commit to the bit so fucking hard its hard to not dig it

begrudingly id also same the same of the breton on very specific occasions

[misty violet]

I do love that the Tomb Kings are villainous only because they're doing the exact same things they were doing while they were alive; killing everyone in their country who doesn't accept them as god kings and invading their neighbors for glory and wealth

You could easily just have living Khemrian Pharoahs doing all the same stuff

[wide veldt]

In old world there are even like

Mentions of relatively benevolent tomb kings

Because yeah theyre just thw same as they were in life

[soft willow]

I mean why let death stop you from doing your favorite things?

[valid brook]

Aspirational stuff tbh

[rare turtle]

At my parents house there is still my old Mortarion

[main pagoda]

even trade between tomb kings and human kingdoms and hell some tourism

its the idea of an undead kingdom being able to interact normally with a non undead kingdom just being so cool

vamps dont count they always on some BS

[pine matrix]

This microfiction did make me love tomb kings a lot:
https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/7ru4sh/in_preparation_for_the_release_of_tk_in_a_couple/
The humanity left within them!! That's the good shit

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/tomb-king-tomb-kings-dance-warhammer-skeleton-gif-26396393

[pine matrix]

Settra does serve

[pulsar cairn]

i like Tomb kings as well i like skeletons

[thin ibex]

i do kinda like how TK are effectively just an expansionist empire, with necromancy and worship tacked on; they have the goals on an empire not the goal of chaos gods and stuff like that

[main pagoda]

and ofc the nagash hate boner

[jaunty dawn]

Idk how expansionist they are even

Like in the tomb king era anyway

Specially because of the great ritual makinh most of the dead lands otherwise uninhabited

[tired cairn]

Are they revanchist more specifically? That seems like a very ancient, recentlyish risen undead empire thing to be

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah I think that works

[main pagoda]

yea

they (settra) essentially want all the land that used to be his

which is alot

[misty violet]

Yeah it's left up in the air how much of the world actually belonged to settra at his peak

[misty violet]

This is the Empire of Alcadizzar, who iirc is supposed to have been the absolute territorial maximum for Nehekhara but still illustrative

And we have to assume that once Settra found out about it he thinks he must go beyond this to one up Alcadizzar

[pseudo shuttle]

so, i need opinions

did these brushes survive storage?

[stark cypress]

hmmmmm

give 'em some TLC and they will be good

[pseudo shuttle]

what would that be in the context of brushes?

[rocky shale]

Brush conditioner if you have it

The basing one looks like it's probably thrashed but you always can use a shitty brush for stuff that would wreck good ones

[pseudo shuttle]

i do not 😔

so, dont use the basing one for basing?

[main pagoda]

it looks fucked

the rest look fine

[pseudo shuttle]

thats kind of unfortunate

thats like
the most useful brush

[main pagoda]

do the bristles still move?

[stark cypress]

I think the base brush could be salvaged.

[rocky shale]

You can use a brush for things it's not labeled for lol

A base coat brush is just gonna be larger

[pseudo shuttle]

oh i didnt test the bristles

[floral herald]

I think that's just for ID since it's labeled base

[rocky shale]

I paint 99% of things with like 3 brushes total

[stark cypress]

I use a total of four to five brushes

[main pagoda]

base brushes just have quite short bristles

[pseudo shuttle]

so if they dont move
dead?

[main pagoda]

no it just means it needs some work

natural brushes are hard to kill tbh

[pseudo shuttle]

is the work worth it compared to just buying a replacement?

[floral herald]

It depends

It's good to have old/messed up brushes for techniques which are bad for brushes

[pseudo shuttle]

like uhh
dry brushing?

[rocky shale]

I don't think citadel makes natural brushes

Dry brushing, washes, and metallics are all rough on brushes

[main pagoda]

any GW brush with a black handle is sable hair

[rocky shale]

Oh really?

Explains why they're so expensive

[main pagoda]

white handle is synthetic

[stark cypress]

...

You mean to tell me I was using sable brushes the whole time????

I just thought they were overpriced.

[main pagoda]

well its a bit of both

[stark cypress]

True

I know I can get a cheap boxcutter compared to the warhammer one.

[rocky shale]

I have a set of brushes with wolf hair that I won in a convention painting contest that I haven't tried yet

[pseudo shuttle]

im glad my brushes survived with only one potential casualty

[main pagoda]

will say GW tools and brushes are fairly high quality

[rocky shale]

Most of my brushes are like $8 Sable brushes fished out of the clearance section of my local art store

[pseudo shuttle]

i'll pop into my local store and grab a new base brush

[rocky shale]

You just need a big brush, a small brush, and a shitty brush and that's about it

Anything else is extra

How big and how small depends on your painting habits

[main pagoda]

i normally use a synthetic base brush then natural for everything else

[pseudo shuttle]

i think i've got that covered minus big brush

[main pagoda]

base brushes exist to be abused

[rocky shale]

If you're doing vehicles then a big flat brush helps

[pseudo shuttle]

rn its just

primaris

[main pagoda]

doing base layers on a big model and i know a base brush has a 50/50 chance of being mulched

the main difference i find is you can nearly always restore a natural brush tip

[pseudo shuttle]

i think the biggest i'll ever be going is a dreadnaught

[pseudo shuttle]

actually

is a base brush even the best thing to base a space marine with?

[main pagoda]

i mean its the biggest

but theres not really a "best" its just whatever you prefer

[pseudo shuttle]

well best as in like
most recomended

[main pagoda]

it depends really if your spraying a base colour that is the foundation for most of your scheme you can probably use a layer or similar but if you still need to do large bits of colour base will be good

[reef pagoda]

i just use glue and builders sand hehe

i should probably work on it, the colour pops more unpainted than when i purplify it

[main pagoda]

oh wait

@pseudo shuttle do you mean base as painting the base or applying a base coat to model

[reef pagoda]

OH basecoating

sorry lol

[sonic hare]

I have two nice brushes which are for details, touch ups, and spot painting. then I use a bag of brushes I got 50 of for a dollar for basecoating, basing, and drybrushing

[pseudo shuttle]

applying a base coat

sorry im a lil late somebody cut the fibre cables to my house

yknow like
applying your abadon black, your retributer armour
those paints

[floral herald]

Wtf why

[pseudo shuttle]

they find it funny i guess

this is the 2nd time x3

[pulsar cairn]

think it was some kids?

[pseudo shuttle]

no idea

its not as like
how do i phrase this

like other pranks and mischief they get a reaction they can see
this is not that yknow?

[main pagoda]

then yes a base brush will probably serve you best though i would recommend contrast black legion/templar over Abaddon black

[pseudo shuttle]

oh i was just using it as an example

hold up lemme just grab my paint list

[pulsar cairn]

i see

[pseudo shuttle]

this is what i plan to use

i didnt think using ah uh
is it contrast paint? thats what black templar is right?

i didnt think using one would be worth it considering the things i plan to paint black arent the biggest

[still warren]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/gyfmfcvt/cities-of-sigmar-rules-the-mighty-cogfort/ da rules

The two big weapon profiles

[floral herald]

Man I wouldn’t wanna face one of these at nite

[main pagoda]

it is but actually painting using black paints kinda sucks

[tired cairn]

I'm not sure how that's supposed to aim down at the infantry

[pseudo shuttle]

😔

[main pagoda]

lowers the front legs presumably

[pseudo shuttle]

i keep hearing that yeah

im sure it'll work out

[tired cairn]

Black paints are great. Usually excellent coverage. Painting something to look black is what sucks

[vital barn]

I love this thing, easily my favourite AOS model so far

I want one and I don't even play AOS

[pseudo shuttle]

the areas i chose to be black arent going to be nice either

forearms and thighs

also the trim on the shoulderpads
and the uhh