Warhammer and Such

[pine matrix]

Lmao, that's fair

[thin ibex]

Most clunky games, in my experience, never fully okay with the whole rule set active ever

Every table takes on whatever shorthand or shortcuts that best suit it

[mental birch]

So looking to make heavy armour jetpacj dudes

Any guidance on torsos?

Non spacemariens

[pine matrix]

I completely forgot they're doing an Ork range refresh with the new edition and I was looking through their models going "huh, almost all of them are out of stock, how weird!"

has just got the red Corsairs battleforce hmm maybe I should finally start a Ork army :)

[mental birch]

Trying to figure out how to do space suit infantry haha

[tired cairn]

Navy Breachers maybe?

[mental birch]

Too expensive sadly foe this mini projext

For cult millitia

[tired cairn]

Fair

[mental birch]

Core idea is the basic infatry is wearing spacesuirs

So trying to figure if i can get any en mass

[frail jacinth]

depends on what vibe of space suit you want but the only other thing that comes to mind is solar auxilia

you get like 20 of them per box i think

[soft willow]

If you don't care about GW lots of good space suits out there in the 3d printed world. Or just look at Lunar from Black Site Studios.

[frail jacinth]

depends on aesthetic but van saar from necromunda could fit more of a mass-effect higher tech vibe

[mental birch]

Dont care abkut GW but need a lot for a reasonable price

Lol

[thin ibex]

Votann are surprisingly good for space suits

[mental birch]

Sadly short

[rocky shale]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/zd2usx9o/da-speedwaaagh-begins-with-two-new-ork-detachments/

[tired cairn]

Turbo Boost is a hilarious ability

[stark cypress]

That priest is ready to party.

[pale narwhal]

Stargrave kits might have some spacesuits

[paper bluff]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/0gmcnp9x/lore-of-armageddon-part-3-ghazghkulls-grand-plan/

I SEEN THIS BEFORE

[spice flicker]

Working on a motorised guard force for crusade and I wonder if it would be worth working in some tauros assault vehicles and tauros venators to the force since theyre 50 points a pop and how best to use them.

[spice flicker]

They reminded me of the warthogs from Halo and my initial idea was to have them charge forward and try to bog down the enemy since their shooting doesnt seem good enough for reliable hit and run tactics.

[spice flicker]

What do you guys think?

[rocky shale]

Dedicated transports have to start with units in them

So that makes it much more expensive

[mental birch]

Issue is not in units of 20

[spice flicker]

No I was talking about the legends tauros units not the tauroxs.

[runic swallow]

RIP to (Modern) Space France

As opposed to Space WWI France/Germany, who are living it up

[valid brook]

much regret over the loss of the Giscardpunk Space French

[pulsar cairn]

do they have smokes, cigars and etc in 40k?

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah theyre called lho sticks

[pulsar cairn]

neat

[spice flicker]

What happened?

[valid brook]

FW stopped making Elysians what, ten years ago?

RIP in peace

[jaunty dawn]

we got a plastic venator at least

one you have to extensively convert to make it a military one but still

[junior robin]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ubr2cptv/zoom-across-armageddon-with-new-space-marine-detachments/ space marines tank commanders, yaay...

and another transport themed detatchment, they really want to sell those metal boxes, huh.

[jaunty dawn]

If youre a die hard treadhead

They say

Even tho modern marine tanks float

[charred bridge]

I do it's funny you become a super soldier with giga physical enhancements and end up operating a vehicle. Although knowing 40k the tank's interior conditions would kill a normal human

[floral herald]

IIRC it’s more just a bunch of whacky MIU-armor links

So you more or less sleeve into the tank

[vital barn]

highly important to invent reasons mortals can't do this

please ignore the fact that in Heresy "battle servitor control" was an upgrade over marine-piloted fighters

[floral herald]

That makes some sense to me since servitors were broadly higher quality back then and legions were sort of jobbers compared to modern astartes

[vital barn]

surely that means you want to get the higher-quality servitors even more now so you can free up more of the marines you desperately need for doing marine things

as far as we know Legion marines are biologically the same as 40k firstborn/very slightly worse than Primaris and have better tech, most of them were just kind of new and chumpy compared to the 500 year old mega-marines that populate every 40k chapter

although Primaris seem to have the same problem given they lose like 1000 guys per Dawn of Fire book to much more experienced heretics

[junior summit]

40k firstborn are supposed to be a lot less independent than a legionnaire due to use of hypno indoctrination iirc

[vital barn]

at one point a primaris leader, protege of Gulliman, shows up with eighty bolter boys and goes "we'll hold this position" before getting his clock totally cleaned by 20 Word Bearers terminators that he literally cannot hurt with any of his ranged weapons because Intercessors have zero tactical flexibility

which was extremely funny

[junior summit]

not that they still don't go traitor

Yeah primaris being incredibly specialized produces very funny failure modes

[vital barn]

there are about fifteen pages of them getting beaten up, finding a secret Ultramariney resolve, BOLTERING HARDER, still doing nothing and repeating until they run out of ammo and he gets his head beaten in fairly casually

which I think was meant to read as a noble last stand but really instead comes off as a comedy routine

good job, Captain Ferren, you're one of the worst to ever do it

[floral herald]

Yeah it’s more that they’re recruited scientifically in mass and trained more conventionally instead of being ultra-obsessed war cultists with absurd recruitment standards and more aggressive hypno

[junior summit]

also better tech

[charred bridge]

Megamind meme
No STC?

[tired cairn]

Unfortunately for lore Primaris Marines, being specialized has game design benefits

[pastel rampart]

It's a quality vs quantity thing, with Heresy-era marines having more bodies and better firearms but overall worse training compared to 40k firstborn.

[floral herald]

I can’t find it but Erika had a good post about the modern space marine looking back at the legions like “wow my venerated ancestors” without realizing that the median heresy-era legionnaires would look at the them like “what the FUCK is wrong with this guy??”

[pastel rampart]

Yeah lol

[vital barn]

in practice the difference manifests mostly as Heresy background marines being more numerous and having less plot armour

in 40k they don't really do anything smarter but somehow don't get shot by things they're running straight at instead of losing 1d3 guys per newly mentioned enemy type

[jaunty dawn]

This is really dumb

Not that thats at all unusual for 40k writing though

[vital barn]

dawn of fire was not a very good series

[charred bridge]

DaoT humans would probably look at 40k citizens in horror

[tired cairn]

If you have 80 Marines, you should really take a specialist squad. You aren't even allowed more than 60 intercessors :V

[vital barn]

but the Primaris spend all their appearances in the "wow, new marines for you to buy" books swinging wildly between being glazed so much you start worrying about the narrator's health and being absolutely owned compared to all firstborn

[junior summit]

One of the post-HH HH books explicitly says it wrt hypno indoc

[charred bridge]

What do you mean you don't have a robot waifu?

[jaunty dawn]

The equivalent of 80 tactical marines is not 80 intercessors its 60 intercessors a hell blaster squad and some heavy weapon squad they havent designed yet

[vital barn]

they may have had a few hellblasters or something but they did not appear to last long

[junior summit]

Attempting to explain the concept of teto to the average citizen of the imperium

[vital barn]

mostly it was just a lot of pages of bolters bouncing off terminator armour

[tired cairn]

That is very silly lmao

[vital barn]

I suppose that's revenge for the bit in Dark Imperium where Repulsors kill an entire squad of Iron Warriors by hovering on top of them

[tired cairn]

Maybe the author didn't like how GW did the marine refresh

[charred bridge]

AITA, my omnissiah blessed machine wife left me during humanity during the Men of Iron revolt...

[floral herald]

Yeah I was gonna say most of Dawn of Fire is just pretty meh

[vital barn]

and one then jumps under said repulsor to try to meltabomb it only to get pancaked like W. E. Coyote

[pastel rampart]

That's just objectively funny tho.

[charred bridge]

The anti-bolter porn

[junior summit]

the other issue with primaris in lore is that outside of lore their roster has holes in it which makes the "all specialists all the time" theme much harder

[tired cairn]

What specialist are they missing at the moment?

[charred bridge]

First time? - guard who are highly specialized. When combined arms is a rare specialty

[vital barn]

to be fair I think 20-30 of Kor Phaeron's personal terminator elite should probably low diff a random Primaris line company that isn't particularly equipped or ready for them

it should just be done in a less clownshoes manner

[floral herald]

I do like the sort of between the lines but not really read of primaris that most of them are initially quite poor troops by space marine standards

They’ve basically got no real combat experience and it’s all sims for them

[vital barn]

they stay quite bad for a long time

[floral herald]

And textually they’ve got tactically simple monotask squads because they’re too green to handle more complicated multi-role missions initially

[vital barn]

which makes sense because Legions were also like that and they had way more average experience than every primaris does at narrative present

[tired cairn]

Firstborn have the special ability where their chapter can keep getting decimated or worse but still be hyper-elite veterans lol

[vital barn]

(post-retcon timeline, anyway)

[charred bridge]

Firstborn primaris though

[floral herald]

And then they add in special commissar-chaplains which indicates a major breakdown in discipline

[vital barn]

oh yeah ignoring those

[junior summit]

its fine you steal a bunch of veterans out of the fists successors and its cool

[tired cairn]

Firstborn Primaris are allegedly rare

[floral herald]

Basically what I’m saying is they’re gonna add a primaris tactical squad eventually

[tired cairn]

Really high chance of dying unless you are a named character lol

[floral herald]

To mix and match all your Mk10 specialists

[vital barn]

what fists successor veterans, surely they were all used up reconstituting the fists for the Nth time

[junior summit]

black templars probably

[charred bridge]

Basically named character privileges

[junior summit]

they've got spares

[vital barn]

(this is somehow both a joke and basically sensible Fists slander)

[tired cairn]

I would be surprised, but maybe they have to in order to discontinue the tactical marine kit

[junior summit]

Imperial Fists of Theseus

[tired cairn]

(without people getting too angry)

[floral herald]

The Imperial Fist’s big secret is they just never shut down legion recruitment they just send em off to various chapters at the end

And by big secret I mean “thing they just do openly”

[vital barn]

I'm frankly surprised no other first founding chapter has ever been outright destroyed

the Wolves got really close, they were fucked by the time they got Primaris

[tired cairn]

Though I guess it's not like a tactical Primaris squad will be that good on tabletop unless pointed sillily so idk

[vital barn]

but 10k years is a long time

[floral herald]

Probably not yeah

[tired cairn]

Two of them did :V

[vital barn]

there are a lot of interesting force compositions in books that I think would be cool but would never work on tabletop

[tired cairn]

I don't know when the redacted primarchs were redacted though

[vital barn]

at one point Skitarii show up with one Kataphron per squad as a kind of mobile heavy weapons platform

[mental birch]

From rhe start

[vital barn]

so between the three special weapons and the rolling minitank they had stupid amounts of anti-power-armour

this did nothing because they were admech in a black library book

but it was cool

[tired cairn]

Like, lorewise or writing wise?

[vital barn]

and quite sensible considering Kataphrons are meant to be "stamped out by the 10k" level expendable like Skitarii are

[mental birch]

Writing wise from when the legions became an explicit thing

[floral herald]

From a publishing standpoint they were always MIA

[tired cairn]

Ah, yeah

[floral herald]

Lore wise it’s Mysterious but some time in the first half of the great crusade around the Rangdan genocides

[tired cairn]

But presumably it took a bit before the Emperor wrote them off and did something else with their legions

[floral herald]

With a lot of characters going “man it’s weird what happened there let’s leave it at that”

[tired cairn]

Were the legions not space Marines until their primarchs were found?

[floral herald]

And I think the implication that one of the legions got a blue paintover

Errr ultramarine blue not scaly blue

[tired cairn]

It is funny to me that UM got a disproportionate amount of the problematic loyalists

[rocky shale]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ubr2cptv/zoom-across-armageddon-with-new-space-marine-detachments/

Oh already posted

Skyborne sanctuary unnerfed but only for space marines

[tired cairn]

The new detachments having "except aircraft" is a bit cruel.

Stop it GW, they are already dead!

[floral herald]

Adding planes was a mistake and they must be punished for it

[charred bridge]

Tau will continue to receive incursions until aircraft stop

[tired cairn]

I think they should just give up making them special and only use the hover* rules for all of them. With maybe deep strike and uppy-downy as standard

* Yes, especially for the ork planes

[rocky shale]

Aircraft getting the tank ace keyword would be a bit funny

Even with hover they're bad, that's the issue

[tired cairn]

Yeah, but if they only had hover you can balance around the one mode

Instead of worrying about the other mode messing things up

They also probably shouldn't have the weird LoS rules. Which might be the bigger issue?

[rocky shale]

Pretty sure they lose those Los rules in hover

But ultimately even as just a vehicle with fly they'd have to be a lot cheaper to compensate for being fairly large, undergunned models that are tricky to hide

[floral herald]

Yeah they’re all overcosted to be put in the balance icebox because they torture the game if they’re good

[mental birch]

Still truing to make aircrsft function for map campaigns

[vital barn]

I find it very funny they made an aircraft for Admech right at the point they decided planes in general needed to go into the forever box

and it was a three-build kit, so now there are three different planes that are all totally worthless and have been basically since the model came out

[mental birch]

My cureemt thoufht is i tbink theres some sauce in making them usable in several armies at the same time for point efficinecy

[sour sequoia]

Stormravens are honestly one of the best units around rn I cannot wait for that shit to go to legends

[rocky shale]

They are the exception, true

[vital barn]

they've also been the exception for ages

stormraven spam was big in 7th and 8th IIRC

just 5000 guns for cheap, plus it used to be an assault transport

[sour sequoia]

"if I win roll off you lose half your army, unreactable, and get jailed by eradicators and ballistus dreadnoughts" is a super cool healthy play pattern that definitely makes me respect space marine players

[rocky shale]

New SM detachment puts a full land raider worth of infantry like 28"+ up board T1 with the units able to charge still

[sour sequoia]

the fact you don't see three every list is because there's 40 other horsepiss datasheets to get through

[vital barn]

Heresy instead has the Long Stormraven which was also extremely good but is now hindered slightly by 3e flying transports being real gamble hours

it's a reasonably doable gamble but if the plane with your elite termie assault squad + warlord doesn't come in for two rounds you do kind of eat shit right there

I do need to try a bunch of cheapo tartaros or gorgon termies jumping out of storm eagles at some point, because I think it might be extremely funny and they're less all-in than an eagle deathstar

my heresy hot take is that WS4 termies have more legs than they're given credit for but I haven't been able to play enough recently to actually stress test this

[rocky shale]

Wow the repulsor, Gravis captain, biologist, eradicators combo in this detachment is vile

I never want to hear a complaint about fire dragons again

Fuegan did nothing wrong

[floral herald]

I think evaluating detachments in a vacuum is pretty fruitless

[rocky shale]

Somewhat yeah

But this one is pretty much stacked. Every line of text is good shit.

Kryole is only 100pts tho 🙂

They could have done him so dirty

[pastel rampart]

https://imgur.com/a/xvm7wAK

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408452338622267401/1496594966384873582/image.webp?ex=69ea742d&is=69e922ad&hm=919a99610f362821c7b58ac1099edd2c8c95636092f743ac689bfb10e9c52b52&

[pulsar cairn]

so cahl seems to have a personality library

does that like completely change him or does he always have like base personality traits?

[reef pagoda]

can chaos knights run daemons or is that an allyship thing

i also really like the sound of that eating cultist detachment from grotmas... i might grab some cultists with a war dog tomorrow hehe, its ridick that EC cant use cultists or i'd have some already

[jaunty dawn]

They can yeah

The rules are in the daemon section I think

[rocky shale]

It's as an ally thing, they don't benefit from knight stuff

That being said, nurglings and beast of nurgle are extremely meta for CK

[reef pagoda]

Ah so its like how other chaos armies can have a chaos knight and not part of the faction keyword itself?

[rocky shale]

Yes

[reef pagoda]

thanks u two, i might consider it still because i like daemons, i want to try some cool non slaanesh daemons too

[rocky shale]

Nurglings and BoN solve the issue of knights not having access to little dudes to hold points and do actions and stuff like deep strike and infiltrate

[reef pagoda]

i adore that nurgle knight with the hot tub full of nurglings on it

[rocky shale]

Unfortunately the other lesser daemons aren't nearly as useful

[tepid stratus]

Well nurglings infiltrate and charge block, that's about it. Gotta get the puppies to play guard dog and push buttons

Daemonettes are very good but they're good at something knights already do

[rocky shale]

Nurglings can also do stuff like behind enemy lines

[reef pagoda]

oooh i might fix up my daemonette paintjobs then

are the tzeentch daemons any good, i really like them

[rocky shale]

Not in knights

Knights want cheap blorbos to sit in one spot and do utility

They already do "run in and kill stuff" and "shoot stuff until it dies"

[reef pagoda]

fair enuff

[rocky shale]

Horrors are really pricey

[reef pagoda]

pointswise? i imagine theyd be with their gimmick

[rocky shale]

Yeah

[reef pagoda]

well thanku, i suppose i will go for nurgley daemons, but the knights are first! im probably going to paint house devine but im gonna dig up some more coool paintjobs

[rocky shale]

If you are running the cultist detachment you may not need any daemons since the cultists fill a similar role

However you do want like 50-70 of them

[jaunty dawn]

40-60 feral humans

[tepid stratus]

40-60 honourable levies loyal to their true lords

The rags and rust knives are for building character we swear. So they can better appreciate the efforts of their betters

[atomic apex]

damn

[runic swallow]

That guy’s going hard even by Night Lord standards

Like, other guys in his warband would be asking if he was doing okay

[tepid stratus]

Dudes competing with the Death of Saints for freakiest night lord

[upper bluff]

"Brother Murderlicious Skinflayer, We really dig the flesh draped over your power pack but don't you think the cloak of arms is a little obstructing?

[raven meteor]

looks name up
Oh is this why that killteam pack was sisters vs night lords

Also- ARGENT SHROUD W

[charred bridge]

Love nightlords, but outside of a few named characters (also mostly Curze). Is there a lot of sympathetic nuances to them?
I think like many of the named characters that shared curze's beliefs arent around anymore, I don't know how many sympathetic characters there are after they opened recruitment to random criminals

[pastel rampart]

A lot of the sympathy comes from Conrad being just the worst kind of dad.

But then that's mostly through the lens of the Night Lord trilogy which is a goddamn masterclass in turning insane murderers into actual characters you give a damn about.

[upper canopy]

The Sympathy comes from the fact that they're just kinda shit

Like in terms of all the Legions they've probably fallen the most in that they have no real grand plans or respect or standing, they're all considered worthless vagabond mercenary scavengers even among current Chaos Marines

[west zealot]

The thing that's funny about this is imaignign all the efffort it took to actually sew that

and the number of times it fucked up and "oh goddammit, i have to flay anotehr g uy"

[floral herald]

They probably have thralls or something for that or maybe he just loves sewing

[west zealot]

I prefer to imagine he loves sewing

and has an eternal struggle with the chaos gods on finding needles that suit space marine hands

[charred bridge]

Ah I can't say I felt sympathy, 40k is full of bad dads

I don't really know where nightlords feature in post heresy modern 40k, besides just showing up and being a PITA for loyalists or chaos united

[broken dew]

bad dads are a dime a dozen in 40k

[charred bridge]

I feel sympathy for world eaters even though they're in a similar train except a big difference to me is they wanted to serve the emperor and appeal to their primarch no matter what and that destroyed them from within. The older Night Lords that were about Curze's ideology of control via fear I get the sympathy for them since their legion was diluted with a bunch of people they would have personally like murder-tortured, but that was mostly 30k. Night Lords in 40k I feel lesso for

[past sphinx]

ah yes the leoplurid's

[mental birch]

Leoplurid?

[past sphinx]

liopleurodon

liopleurodon's charlie

[mental birch]

I dont get it

[valid brook]

brainrot from 20 years ago

[past sphinx]

back when we had to make our own brain rot, with our hands!

[tranquil ivy]

new detachment has me excited

you can literally have a list of nothing BUT vehicles

You can have a tank as your warlord and thats fucking lit

[soft willow]

Beep beep we’re driving onto the objectives now.

[tranquil ivy]

LITERALLY

I have a Land Raider/Spartan that'd look pretty damn good as a warlord

[sour sequoia]

Im late to this but there’s like, one fun bit in the books that basically says

“All of you kiddies who grew up in the worst kind of hell, afraid and alone and desperate, your only purpose is to become the nightmare to everybody else, you will never amount to more”

And then they have fun with it because they’re all 12yr old sociopaths on superdrugs

But no there’s not nuance

[raven meteor]

Killa Kans and the basic Custodian Guard are priced nearly the same per model
I don't have anything more intricate to say here I just find the idea of a goblin in a really badly made PC tower having a one on one duel with a walking demigod and one of humanity's greatest paragons very funny

[pine matrix]

I was mulling over a Heresy-era Night Lord OC who'd be a Loyalist Praetor who is just as much a homicidal murderer as the rest of them (he has a cloak made of the faces of all the commanders he's managed to defeat in battle) but is a true believer in the imperial project and thinks all the horrible murder is just unfortunate but necessary punishment

"How short sighted that these people cannot see the imperial truth we bring through their veil of ignorance :( I suppose we must unleash the torment nexus on them :("

Lipless Cenobite putting his arm around a Blood Angel: So good to have you by my side, cousin, we'll surely show those traitors what for!
Blood Angel:

[floral herald]

lol

[frail jacinth]

exactly why I'd love to get some loyalist death guard at some point

the stinky chemical warfare trench sluggers just seeing their allies yelling about glory and challenging everyone to duels

(also partly whyI think it'd be really funny to ally custodes with DG or IW)

complete polar opposites aesthetically/tactically

[pine matrix]

That rocks as a concept, "hey yeah man glory to the Emperor but we can just smoke them out"

Very funny for a loyalist IW to be like "oh you couldn't endure the disrespect of the Imperium? That's the whole point bro"

[broken dew]

hobestly loyalits from traitor legions has always been the most intetesting thing about Space Marines for me

it's why i made my homebrew chapter as a Death Guard successor

[mental birch]

Leader of the upcoming narrative event is loyalist IW

[broken dew]

[frail jacinth]

exactly

and then also as an army you get to do death guard infantry gunline then custodes melee blenders

(i have never played heresy but still)

[desert jay]

Wait for real?

[mental birch]

I mean here

@desert jay theres a running narrative thing here thats ongoing

Current loyalist leader plays IW

[desert jay]

Ahhh, cool

[mental birch]

If therea a ZM i am running in with violent plasma

[junior robin]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/apbymsj6/ace-tanks-spearhead-vehicular-carnage-with-new-armoured-gauntlet-rules/ finally, crew shaken is back

[past sphinx]

4000 more dorns to kill

[main pagoda]

Ralderon and the painted count?

[finite compass]

``The Champion showed no reaction. He didn’t even move. ‘I knew that warrior,’ he said with
solemn care. ‘He was Caleus, born of Newfound, and I know he died as he lived: with courage,
honour, and knowing no fear.’

Xarl swept his chainsword across the scene, gesturing at the prone forms of First Claw. ‘I know all
of these warriors. They are First Claw, and I know they’ll die as they lived: trying to run away.” ``

[pastel rampart]

https://bsky.app/profile/irhottakes.bsky.social/post/3mjjxaoxybk27

Starfire’s Deranged Neocon Foreign Policy Podcast (@irhottakes.bsky.social)

Chaos Space Marines in denial about their corruption are the funniest 40k characters.

“Xarthus tensed and prepared for combat. He was a cool professional, not some deluded fanatical Word Bearer. Chaos was a tool, nothing more. He turned to his husband, Demons Pete, who was on the phone with Satan.”

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[broken dew]

i think the funniest one for me is the Soul Drinkers

loyalist chaos marines

their chapter master literally turned into a spider centaur and was like "truly the emperor blesses us"

[bright dove]

Don't forget about Khorne's angriest Jello Mold Man with chainsaw hands in the Soul Drinkers as well.

[broken dew]

trueeeee

they all kinda turned into weird chaos mutants

[bright dove]

Also oh hey Honsou.

[pulsar holly]

Muscles for days

And scar tissue

[pulsar holly]

The funniest thing was they literally were loyal, aside from the faction led by that chaplain and Mr chainsaw hands

Sarpedon even went down swinging against Chaos rather than turning on the Imperial Fists that tracked them

[broken dew]

i didn't call them loyalists for nothing

Sarpedon and his lads were truly loyal to the God Emperor and his dream

Sarpedon was goated

[thin ibex]

one thing that i wish was less of a thing in the current media presentation of space marines vs chaos is that rn, normal space marines look clearly cleaner, less scarred, more generically handsome, and more noble than their chaos space marine counterparts; I'd prefer we retained the older presentation, wherein a normal human really couldn't always tell if the space marine were chaos or imperium aligned because they uniformally look fucked up and armored up

but instead we have like... the platonic ultramrine being a mostly unscarred guy with a handsome squidward face and service studs, and the platonic black legion guy having actual horns, covered in spikes, possible wearing a cape made out of human flesh.

[quaint compass]

EXACTLY

We Need More Fuck-Ugly Marines In SM

[pastel rampart]

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Alaitoc aspect warrior

Bluesky · Apr 24, 2026, 4:15 PM

[little bay]

"you bore me monk'eigh

[wide veldt]

Get off my throne fucker

[little bay]

no

[floral herald]

Woag

[pine matrix]

I'm always saying this, all marines should look like genetic freaks, the whole idea of the Blood Angels is that's they're the "handsome ones", but they only really stand out now for being blond

Give me this freak (positive)

[pulsar cairn]

that ork is so tiny

[charred bridge]

But but I'm no slave to chaos I just need them for all my power and needs and bills

I wish non chaos traitor legions got more stuff, they ain't about chaos but they ain't about the imperium either

Afaik what I see in 40k most when it comes to nonchaos traitor marines is like some Night Lords showed up that aren't with chaos united and being a PITA for everyone then get killed

[main pagoda]

being an unaligned warband is a quick way to get mulched if your not large enough

[sour sequoia]

Thing is I dont think these actually… exist? Outside like, Ashen Claws who get written down loyalist the way Taiwan gets written down as a province of China and then ignored

Everyone loves talking about Iron Warriors or Alpha Legion or non-really-explicit-chaos-god-cult-legions as being above it and using chaos but like every time its the biggest copium

[floral herald]

The Astral Claws counted for a while but they spent enough time drinking warp soup now

[vital barn]

being renegade marines with zero powerbase is not a long-lasting state of affairs as a rule

even the Ashen Claws were kind of bullshit in that they just popped up after a zillion years AFK with a full 30k armoury just to fuck with the sharks in one book

Alpha Legion are admittedly on infinite layers of cope so it's hard to tell sometimes but I do love writing them with real space alien mindsets on chaos corruption

[floral herald]

The chad answer is the Ultramarines are the most successful renegades :^)

Usurping the Emperor and making Horus’ vision reality

[vital barn]

the Word Bearers are total jobbers but I do actually appreciate them for being basically the only guys who aren't coping about falling to chaos

even the Cult legions get sad about it half the time

meanwhile the WB have a huge number of people signing up to rename themselves "Galactigor the Magnificent" or something and then die to a random captain after pulling off just enough of a grand plan to destroy 1d100 Imperial warships

it's a peaceful life

[broken dew]

mfs really be calling themselves "Uralon the Cruel", accomplish nothing, and die

[floral herald]

Probably managed at least a little cruelty

[vital barn]

There's a WB chaos lord in one of the Dawn of Fire books who obliterates an Imperial fleet with a giant gun made of bones, deletes two Custodes and then gets randomly no diffed by a couple of Sisters of Battle who were kind of just hanging out

which I consider a solid B+ villain career and judge all other random chaos lords against because of how incredibly generic all of it was except the flavour of power armour that killed him

[broken dew]

yeah a little bit of cruelty for sure

[vital barn]

The true power of the word bearers is pulling enough offscreen marines together to bleed the imperium out with weight of mcguffin fuelled phyrric victory

Just repeat that plot 3000 times and it's over for them

[broken dew]

just about the only thing i respect about them is the fact they full sent it on chaos and never looked back

[vital barn]

It would be nice if their offscreen villain dark matter was more "infinite cultist swarm war machine" and less "tons of marines who die constantly" because mass mortal recruitment is kind of their thing

[broken dew]

yeah

[stark cypress]

Angels made monsters

Monsters made angels

[charred bridge]

Night Lords do get mulched a lot

[bright dove]

You want the Soul Drinkers

[charred bridge]

Iron Warriors I consider chaos legion, they may not be loyal to any one chaos God but definitely do make deals and such with daemons to maximize their weapons

[bright dove]

Because that is exactly the Soul Drinkers

[charred bridge]

Well I'd wants legions sized, I think it'd be an interesting narrative niche of we hate the imperium, and we hate chaos, and now we're stuck between dark imperium and imperium and it sucks we're being destroyed for refusing chaos and many have defected type stories

[wide veldt]

The closest thing currently to not chaos fellas is uhhhhhh

Corsairs? The pirate fuckers

[bright dove]

The original Soul Drinkers did not fit the standard template of Excommunicate Traitoris. Unlike most Renegade Space Marines, who have devoted themselves to the Chaos gods, the Soul Drinkers despised the Ruinous Powers as much if not more than they hate the Imperium that cast them out. Instead, they developed an ideology that stated that the Imperium has betrayed everything the Emperor has stood for; so they still fought the powers of chaos even though they disagree with what the Imperium now stands for.

For those who don't know the Soul Drinkers

[wide veldt]

I was gonna say peter turbo but hes a demon now so

Uh

[charred bridge]

And I know there are non chaos aligned traitors, I want more

[main pagoda]

IW cope about not being chaos

[wide veldt]

Oh the soul drinkers rule actually

Peter is Chaos Undivided now

[bright dove]

The Soul Drinkers are great

[wide veldt]

More than he is renegade

[main pagoda]

oh your legion primarch is a demon and like half your main cast are as well oh curious

[wide veldt]

The soul drinkers just Being Right

[charred bridge]

Weapons manufacturers saying they're not a part of the war industry type cope

[wide veldt]

Also me when they didnt go far enough

[main pagoda]

LITERALLY

[wide veldt]

Would love to see renegades who love mankind but think big e was a huge piece of shit lol

[charred bridge]

But tbf they're not loyal to chaos, much in the same way a manufacturer who sells to anyone is not loyal to anything but profit

[raven meteor]

You know that bit about the Soul Drinkers does remind me
So what's the situation with the Custodes regarding the Religification Of The Imperium
They were the Emperor's closest reddit atheist besties back in the day right, do they still have that going on or are they in on the god emperor stuff

[main pagoda]

they are opposed to it but they also know theres not much they can do about it

much like SM during the post heresy

well most SM

[charred bridge]

Ask an Warp Smith to make something that doesn't involve shoving a Daemon into it

[raven meteor]

I think they are talking about Custodes there

[main pagoda]

i was responding to the custodes question

but it works for both lol

[wide veldt]

The IW arent non chaos as much as they are just like

Not sucking their cocks and believing theyre gods

[main pagoda]

look the niles not just a river in egypt

[charred bridge]

Theyre kind of the opposite of chaos united, like chaos but unaligned

[pastel rampart]

To IW chaos is just a useful tool and a means to an end, not something to be worshipped.

[wide veldt]

Yeah

[charred bridge]

But they're not above worship for better tools

[main pagoda]

But they are also the tool

[wide veldt]

Although who knows with the uhhh

Demon prince stuff now

[main pagoda]

like thats the irony

[charred bridge]

Did any chaos God make perty a Daemon prince

[pastel rampart]

By all accounts, no.

He just reached apotheosis on his own through some inscrutable means.

[main pagoda]

it followed the iron cage

he became a demon prince of chaos undivided by sacrificing 400 geneseed of the IF

[desert jay]

SMH it's a mutually beneficial relationship

[bright dove]

They will avoid putting daemons in the trench lines

[desert jay]

You do some favors for these extradimensional entities, and in return they give you cool powers and stuff

[main pagoda]

you read the honshu books and its just the death of the IW are not fully chaos idea

[bright dove]

Honsou isn't devout, but he is religious

[jaunty dawn]

I think a renegade chapter that still cared about abstract humanity probably just wouldn’t burn bridges in the first place

Given what they can already get away with

[charred bridge]

In terms of relationships with chaos, that's probably the best option you're gonna get

[charred bridge]

Trench lines?

[charred bridge]

You know, 400 seems kind of quite low to me for some reason as price to ascend to daemon prince

[main pagoda]

post siege numbers thats quite alot

[pastel rampart]

This is after he broke Dorn and the Imperial Fists at the Iron Cage (THIS SUNDAY ON ACW) so it's a combination of the geneseed and the audacity of humbling his rival.

[finite compass]

Iron Warriors Be Like: "We use Chaos as a tool, and we are not corrupted by it. Sure my left arm turned into a tentacle, but I cut it off and replaced it with this cool augmetic (which is, admittedly, also slowly turning into a biomechanical tentacle). My warband consists of two dozen completely unaltered Brothers, and also five Obliterators. Anyway, we're about to sacrifice these Imperial citizens so we can summon a daemon to shove in the new Defiler."

[pastel rampart]

Pretty much!

A good IW story blurs the line between using the immaterium as a tool (as they often claim) and fooling themselves into thinking they're not slaves to darkness.

[finite compass]

Also the Night Lord books

Completely in control of their own destiny and not falling into Chaos corruption like those other fools... Meanwhile Uzas is in the background rocking back and forth and muttering "Skulls for the Skull Throne" and the Warband leader is well into the process of turning into a Daemon Prince.

[pastel rampart]

I think the NL are much more willing to admit to being sad wet blankets, but still claiming to be some sort of threat that's on their way back to glory.

A delusion of a different kind, but delusion nonetheless.

[finite compass]

TBF that's mostly Talos

The majority of the Night Lords don't seem to give a shit either way as long as they can get loot and get their jollies off with the occasional massacre

Talos is the one insisting there has to be a point to it all

[pastel rampart]

True. Though we don't have much in the way of 40k NL stories post-Talos so for all we know his rhetoric took off.

[finite compass]

We do have the small blurb with Decimus

But that's basically it

And Zso Sahaal from Lord of the Night

Who is also insisting that he's non-Chaotic and the only one doing it right.

Meanwhile his main rival ends up both leading one of the largest extant fragments of the Legion and also went full Daemon Prince

[jaunty dawn]

Fabius might have the strongest claim to genuinely being independent of the four’s whims if only because his kids are causing him to be replaced by a minor god

[broken dew]

The God Emperor's strongest atheist

[vital barn]

Uzas is admittedly great

the Night Lords trilogy is probably the best example of chaos marines going "we're totally not corrupted" since basically every squad mentioned had at least one Uzas-like figure

Harrowmaster shows that particular ball of random Alpha Legion warbands have less chaos stuff going on, they seem to be somewhat less lost in that sauce in exchange for being absolutely lost in their own internal factional sauce instead

[desert jay]

But also has anyone asked him what’s with the coat?

[wide veldt]

so are there non-heretic night lord?

[wide veldt]

i fucking love the bit of him being like "fuck off slannesh i dont care man"

"shut up whore im busy with my meth"

[bright dove]

There are almost certainly Night Lords that stayed loyalist.

[main pagoda]

I think there were some in the sigilites teams

Can't remember names

[sour sequoia]

There’s at least one RG successor thats hinted to be “we are night lords lying our fucking asses off and Shrike said its chill”

[tranquil ivy]

another week another game

[mental birch]

Had a game today

Death guard great success

[pulsar cairn]

were you playing as death guard or did you beat death guard?

[mental birch]

Beat death guard

Baited him into overexposing his army as Retaliation Cadre

[pulsar cairn]

nice

[wooden herald]

I painted my first models

[pulsar cairn]

those are some big plasma guns

[wide veldt]

Sorry alsp

Arent the night lords the terror tactics huys

Whose primarch was totally fucking crazy

that’s the legion that didnt totally turn traitor??

[sour sequoia]

Lots of night lords had gainful employment the whole time and thought Konrad was kind of a huge bitch who should stop whining

[desert jay]

Kurze also had like this curse of prophecy thing going on

[floral herald]

The raven guard were also supposed to be like em but the chaos gods saved Corax as a prank

[raven meteor]

As I understand it, Kurze was Totally Nuts and ALSO hated the Night Lords and wanted little to do with them, unlike most of the Primarchs who at least had a use for the marines under them
So it wasn't as simple as 'follow papa into the nightmare pit' like a lot of the chaos legions

[quaint compass]

Unfortunately, the night lords had already made the nightmare pit with papa

[main pagoda]

well the main thing about HH era legions is that most still have a decent sized terran born element which are who tended to remain loyal in the heresy

[bright dove]

No legion turned completely traitor.

Not even the Word Bearers.

[main pagoda]

there was a reason istavaan 3 happened first

[sour sequoia]

The funny shit is the raven guard terran segment is who turned traitor and Corax was pretty heavily disliked by a lot of his legion

On account of “we are hardcore stealth + assassinations now, stop it with civilian shields and terror tactics”

[pulsar cairn]

you also have a couple of named characters from traitor legions who remained loyal to the emperor

which i think is pretty cool

like dantioch! i like that one

[broken dew]

Barabas Dantioch

[main pagoda]

yeah it tended to be terran aspect in loyalists like the WS as well

[charred bridge]

To a degree similar with Corax, they made an example of a random city and basically took planets with no resistance. Curze trolled Corax convo about how they basically do the same thing of not using open warfare but fear tactics

Except Curze is direct fear and ravenguard making those in the government afraid

[stark cypress]

Yeah

Like if shit had not gotten wild with the Horse Heresy

Curze would've been the bloody reminder of disobeying the emperor

The Twins would be the reminder of the Emperor always watching

Corvus would be the silent death of the Emperor

[charred bridge]

Curze also said this with Alpharius, although Alpharius had a point that his method was more stable cause after taking the planet cause they had manipulated it to work how the emp's wants

[stark cypress]

Curze, Alpharius, and Corvus were supposed to be the black ops crew

[charred bridge]

They all basically disliked each other

[stark cypress]

Angron and Russ were supposed to be the attack dogs.

[charred bridge]

Now that I think about it, primarchs that were similar butted heads

Like Dorn and Gulliman

[stark cypress]

Oh yeah they did

Fulgrim, Lorgar, and Hawk Boy were supposed to be the faces of the Imperium.

[past sphinx]

converting some cadians for only war

group of undergrounders from an ice world

known to their fellow regiments as "squinties"

still clumsy with sculpting tools but getting there

[dense sedge]

Friend o fmine is top 10 at the ongoing Warhammer gate

[upper canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2i0Ud4OuDRg?feature=share

[little bay]

oh hey it's dantioch

i like dantioch

wasn't a chapter made in his honour?

[pulsar cairn]

idk

[little bay]

the silver skulls they're called i think

also i find it funny that in warhammer wrath and glory one talent is called "the flesh is weak"

which makes you immune to bleeding and suffocation

gives you a bonus on the tech skill

a

[broken dew]

the ultramarine successors?

[little bay]

but a debuff for the persuasion skill

[little bay]

i think yes

[broken dew]

Trazyns chapter /j

[main pagoda]

its the scythes of the emperor

[broken dew]

that makes more sense

[little bay]

in one book trazyn and his necrons were mistaken for the silver skulls no?

[broken dew]

yuh

[little bay]

knew it

anyway

anyone wanna know my current warhammer 40k wrath and glory character?

[floral herald]

sure

[little bay]

his name is voss harken

like all my other characters

he's especially good at ranged combat, tech, medicae and other intelegence stuff

hes has the talents

the flesh is weak

two augmetic talents

one which gives him mechanical legs and mechanical eyes

and the other gives him a servo arm

he also has the conversational cogitator talent

he has red robes

an eight thingie cog

a refractor shield and galvanic rifle

a data slate and a chronon

chrono

he's 48

and he used to have black hair and brown eyes

he's 5 foot 10

oh and of course a combi tool and holy oils

holy oils are quite useful

they allow you to ignore one complication with imperium technology during the scene

[still warren]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/6l0ru1k2/sunday-preview-grand-cathay-levies-and-solar-auxilia-reinforcements/

HH ogryns

And Cathay got the units they need to fill out their roster

[atomic apex]

that's pretty cool

[vital barn]

fuck yeah charonites

love those guys

and they're really solid this edition, up there with Daemon Brutes and Ursarax as point-efficient medium infantry/light vehicle pulverisers with lots of beef

[wooden herald]

Painting Vashtorr today

[past sphinx]

building some ogryns and i have to say its a lovely kit

really fun to build

[thin ibex]

How are the standard ogryns these days? I like them a lot but they seem to be a bit outshined

[past sphinx]

the bodyguard rule is wildly effective

[mental birch]

Myrmidax archmagos with cbeamer

Y/N?

[junior robin]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-anime-yes-yes-yes-yeah-its-a-yes-gif-17161748

[mental birch]

If yes i can straight up just use Thulia

Ahhahaa

[sour sequoia]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/zkictn6p/new40k-grot-week-reveals-day-1/

Stop da fuckin presses boyz

New gretchin

[floral herald]

Little guys…

[sonic hare]

mini ature

[tired cairn]

"Surprisingly good shots" means 4+ doesn't it?

[runic swallow]

Compared to orks it is!

[sour sequoia]

Look my anti-knights unit is shooting on 4s it gets the job done

[junior robin]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/9b3pet5i/warhammer-40000-armageddon-unboxing-1-may-2026/

[tired cairn]

An announcement for an announcement? I guess I can't be surprised anymore

[jaunty dawn]

I mean they announce most of their reveal events lol

[junior robin]

also a sneak peak on whats in the box from the side, some new ||heavy weapons unit||?

[jaunty dawn]

Might be part of the tactical squad

[desert jay]

Intercessors... 2!

[pastel rampart]

More ruins on the docket.

Old tins from little chicken pot pies make for good craters btw, just flip'em and push down.

[misty violet]

All heavy bolter gravis? Some kind of new mixed weapon primaris devastator unit?

[tired cairn]

Gravis Lieutenant

[pulsar holly]

https://youtu.be/ke9dz7rPUEs

IRON WITHIN! IRON WITHOUT!

[reef pagoda]

i have 2 spare legs so i'm thinking of a quadruped war dog next... i'd love a titanic knight but i dont really have a cool concept i want to try building yet ;-;

[soft willow]

Make the Wardog an actual dog.

[reef pagoda]

im definitely going to use the dog skull head, i know theres some chaos dog somewhere but i dont have the pieces lol

[sour sequoia]

My round 1 trash drops are getting to be pretty good lookin

[jaunty dawn]

Unless you want an army in scale with itself lol

[mental birch]

Using Thalia as a Myrmidax Archmagos with CBeamer

[jaunty dawn]

She looks so coool

[junior robin]

the rumour engine is back!

finally, salamanders primaris lieutenant

[quaint compass]

Primaris Lieutenant with Combi-Mouther

[floral herald]

A second little guy has been posted

[pastel rampart]

Printed a throwback version of the Armorcast battle wagon for a friend.

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/retro-space-ork-battlewagon From here. Prints like a dream, made for FDM.

[little bay]

me when the me when the

[desert jay]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/paeb02ns/what-is-a-cogfort/

Cogfort!

[charred bridge]

Is there a model for this, I'd get it just for the model

AoS has really fun designs, it's a shame it doesn't got the 40k levels of attention from GW

[pastel rampart]

It...it shows the model in the preview.

[floral herald]

Ok the engine having an escape balloon is very charming

[floral herald]

Figured it out

[pastel rampart]

You joke but that'd be an excellent pull.

[floral herald]

I wouldn’t even be mad

[pastel rampart]

Primaris-sized toilet not included.

[charred bridge]

Thought that was a render

[pastel rampart]

Fair, studio paint jobs can sometimes appear render-like.

[charred bridge]

Also not sure if I could buy it now

[pastel rampart]

Ah, currently not actually out. I thought they'd released it already.

I am reminded of the Duchies of Vinci titans from OPR though.

https://dl2.myminifactory.com/object-assets/621cd0afaeecb/images/720X720-dv-bull-titan-render-ads-6.jpg

https://dl2.myminifactory.com/object-assets/60ddac0582f5b/images/720X720-dv-fortress-render-ads-5.jpg

https://dl2.myminifactory.com/object-assets/64c40a65a8d238.69438883/images/720X720-dv-bear-titan-render-ads-14.jpg

[pastel rampart]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/1syc7h3/i_tried_to_adapt_astartes_homebrew_chapter/

[tired cairn]

Checks out that Tyranids are very emotionally available: every thought and feeling of theirs is available to every other Tyranid

[reef pagoda]

I NEED BITS I NEED BITS this model is so cool (by richard cook) but getting the parts to kitbash is a small fortune or superluck of the draw, and thats if you know what youre looking for

i guess the spirit is using what you have, i made a little anglerfish light with a helsmiths burning mace and a maulerfiend tentacle that hangs over the heads of the dogs if you put it in their cannonslot

[sour sequoia]

Dont be postin AI slop in here 😤

[proud wing]

wait is it?

[rocky shale]

The cover almost certainly is

[sour sequoia]

The cover is. The text probably is as well.

[proud wing]

nah I am very confident the text was not

satire of trashy romance novels is a time honored Internet tradition

[sour sequoia]

My faith in warhammer fans who’re already using AI art is fucking 0

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[reef pagoda]

new plan: convert hell pit abomination into war dog, i think using the bottom half and shoving a chassis on it would look pretty crappy so i need to think of somethin else but i'd love to save 100% of the top half to be erupting out of a knight with servo/machine heads eventhally

[pastel rampart]

I think if you slap on a bunch of wiring into the bottom half you'd be a good ways there making it doable.

[reef pagoda]

yeah they have some nice wiring on the sprue already i think, i have some old broken cello strings somewhere to use as well, im not sure what people use for modelling other than instrument strings for extra wiring

[pastel rampart]

Guitar strings, electronic wiring (like old headphone wires), and using a tube maker + greenstuff.

[junior robin]

my god now there are 3 of them!

[pastel rampart]

Or just a plastic comb.

[reef pagoda]

oooh comb is a good idea for what i have in the house thanks

[pastel rampart]

https://bsky.app/profile/chumiicham.bsky.social/post/3mknigfrwms2k

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Bluesky · Apr 29, 2026, 4:11 PM

[upper bluff]

Beaky

[mental birch]

Ice marines when

[bright dove]

Did you mean: Wolves?

[tepid stratus]

Frost is the second most used word for them right after wolf

[thin ibex]

Primaris Wolf Lieutenant, Wolf Frost the Frost Wolf, wielding his Frost Weapon, riding his Thunderwolf

oh and he has a Helfrost pistol

[past sphinx]

hey there should be some fang in there

[sour sequoia]

good news everyone aircraft are broken again

and by aircraft I mean specifically the same space marine datasheet that breaks everything every time because you can elect for it to not have the aircraft keyword and vomit a redemptor + 6 eradicators per plane into 99% of the board t1 💖

[thin ibex]

the... stormraven was it?

the space marine blackhawk

[sour sequoia]

You’re goddamn right

[soft willow]

They uhh didn’t read Hover at all did they.

[rocky shale]

The deathwatch plane is also goofy with this

Since it's heavy

[sour sequoia]

Yeah but this doesn’t play nice with blackspear

[rocky shale]

That is true also

But the shitty flyover mortals are funny

[mental birch]

Heheehehe

Archmagi yuri

[pulsar cairn]

does she do yuri magic or is she a yuri gal who's magic?

[mental birch]

Yuri magic on each other hehee

(Actual yuri magic is Fury of Ages and buffing spell

[pulsar cairn]

pog

[mental birch]

I need to make hh3e mechanicum videos

[floral herald]

The fourth little guy

[misty violet]

That grenade is as big as he is!

[floral herald]

He is 1 potato masher tall

[junior robin]

4 grots?! When will this madness end.

[desert jay]

On Friday, I think

[reef pagoda]

still need to add wiring + pauldrons + decide if i want the default rocket pod or use up a slaanesh staff bit but this is the silhouette basically, im pretty happy for my first real bash

oops filled in the huge gap lol

[jaunty dawn]

He is a little girl who weighs 0.6 potato mashers and is 1 potato masher tall

[stark cypress]

Scrungaloid.
https://youtu.be/Ip86tQ82Hww

[reef pagoda]

a fly just landed on my nuln oil while i was building 😭 sign to paint some nurgle

[pastel rampart]

Call your army The Black Flies of Nurgle in honor of said fly.

[paper bluff]

Say what you will but GW nailed us fans with revealing a grot a day

[stark cypress]

Three options actually

The Black Flies of Nurgle

The Black Brotherhood of Nurgle

The Black Banners of Nurgle

[thin ibex]

gw still does delivery outside of hte UK right?

trying to figure out how to claim this while warhammer subscription figure but I can't ever put in my address in the us

[mental birch]

Yeag they do

[main pagoda]

have you set your location to US?

[thin ibex]

I have, but it keeps auto navigating to GB, very frustrating

any time i check out

[pastel rampart]

Printed a texture roller for my Tomb Kings army that's on the backburner and I'm pleased with the results.

Tested it on some foam and that's preeeetty good!

[bright dove]

ooooo

[stark cypress]

God dam

that's amazing

[deft crest]

LETS GO RIPTIDE! GET HIS ASS

[thin ibex]

My crusade riptide has become a terror, with the hbc enhanced with ap and damage

[mental birch]

Riptide didnt kill morty

Ended up being the 2 sunforged suits deepstriking in his face turn 3

[deft crest]

Sunforged suits are the twins right?

i've been outta the game since like

7th or 8th

[mental birch]

The the melta crisis suits

Twins were busy cleaning up his terminators

[deft crest]

Gotcha

i gotta find my old list so i know what i got

[pastel rampart]

And another one.

https://www.myminifactory.com/users/randommakingencounters?show=store From this guy, who has a bunch of free rollers. Really nice too.

[paper bluff]

wait!

what's today's grot

oh yeah, that's the stuff

[floral herald]

Hell yeahhhhhh

[thin ibex]

Is he looking at the hammer of his pistol?

[tired cairn]

Gretchin are actually supernaturally good at aiming. Unfortunately, they are also taught how to use firearms by orks

[jaunty dawn]

reveal tim

Extremely whelmed by armageddon up to this point but we'll see I guess

I think it would be really funny if they didnt show any box art just the raw sprues

A flag

A landed speeder

Ooh wait ork trakk??

I like that

Doesnt look like tactical squad is real. Just a heavy bolter trio like the eradicators

[tired cairn]

Are heavy bolters good enough to be the main armament for an elite unit sized squad 0.o

[jaunty dawn]

They might be uh

Heavyternal Megabolters

Or maybe heavy bolters will just be further buffed in 11e

Or wait thats not how theyre doin it

I cant tell if Im just misremembering or if its actually a smaller box than the last couple years? Which bringing the cost back down would be a reasonable goal

[thin ibex]

its a decent volume of fire in the right detach, like they'd have play in the anvil detach

also hb are decently cool

[jaunty dawn]

Im actually not sure how different theyd be compared to a heavy intercessor squad kinda

Just gives them room for a more murder based special rule I suppose?

Painted model time

Tbf if I was more into footslogging orks I think Id be more excited. They have a couple cool vehicles that are my favourite i think

I think it is staying about the same size

sorry my screenshots are kinda trash

two boss nobs

the combi rokkit is being given its own profile

as opposed to the unified combi profile

[reef pagoda]

oh shit its the reveal i forgor

[jaunty dawn]

the sprues they showed were like 10 orks and 5 gretchins to a set, with two in the box

[floral herald]

I dig those orks

[jaunty dawn]

ork lieutenant

the models are really nice yeah

[little bay]

"me an' da boys bouta have a good scrap"

[jaunty dawn]

this guy is cool :)

[tired cairn]

Hmmm, I don't like the combined ork plus gretchin sprues

[floral herald]

Primorkus lieutorknant with kombi rokkits

[jaunty dawn]

it might just be for this and starter boxes tbf

[tired cairn]

Orks are definitely winning the modeling contest with this box set

[floral herald]

Hell yeah

[tired cairn]

Yeah, it's probably less of an issue for base troops like these

[jaunty dawn]

a multipart ork boy box would be. nice

[floral herald]

Fuck it I’ll collect orks again

[jaunty dawn]

the size difference between the characters and the boyz is pretty extreme and that's cool

this is my fav grot

[reef pagoda]

i have almost enough parts for a free war dog stalker/brigand but i just cant do it (prettily) grrrr

my favourite is todays i like his hat

with the spike

[jaunty dawn]

weirdboy looks very cool

I think I also don't fully love the eavy metal orks atm

his axe is blast in combat

boy warboss nob

[tired cairn]

I like them more than some of the other stuff they've done

[jaunty dawn]

wartrakk : )

[vital barn]

not a huge fan of the armour on the wartrakk but literally everything else looks great

some really nice orks

[jaunty dawn]

with a comparison

i like this too

[vital barn]

baby cogfort

marvellous

[rocky shale]

Oh fuck that's cool

[jaunty dawn]

oh it has a force field

[vital barn]

it looks like a cartoon dinosaur

[tired cairn]

Was that ork jealous of the SoB chair mech?

[vital barn]

adorable

[jaunty dawn]

this big mek is great at force field miniaturisation, his is a third of the usual size

[upper bluff]

The dakkarig is awesome

Big fan of that thing

[rocky shale]

More fodder for enthroned agent kitbashes

[jaunty dawn]

kan and dread for scale

[floral herald]

Ok making the force field mek a walker is dope

[vital barn]

this might be a totally insane idea

but I'm kind of feeling that for a big archmagos conversion

fuckhuge abeyant

[upper bluff]

No completely valid

[jaunty dawn]

arkmadgus

[vital barn]

30k archmagi can get swole enough to win fistfights with leviathan dreads

[upper bluff]

Inhuman walkers are xool

[vital barn]

I think they can be on a big doom tower

[rocky shale]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/dmmfaihb/warhammer-40000-armageddon-unboxing-the-orks/

[jaunty dawn]

looks like they're not really going for unit bloat this time around

land speeder looks like a straightforward refresh? with vanguard marines

[floral herald]

Good

[jaunty dawn]

I can't tell if the heavy bolter sarge has a heavy bolter

[floral herald]

SM too big

[jaunty dawn]

mm

I think the heavy bolter squad might be the only new unit

[upper bluff]

There's surprisingly few things in the box for marines compared to orks

[vital barn]

I think if you pared down some of the armour plates and swapped the guns out for beep boop things this might be a pretty clean abeyant actually

it's orky but not that orky

[tired cairn]

How thick the stack of datasheet cards was for SM versus every other faction was pretty funny though

[upper bluff]

The legs specifically seem like prime material

[jaunty dawn]

just intercessors with some of the retro part things like 'mk7' helmets and 'mk6' greaves and trimless shoulder pads etc

[floral herald]

I dig em

[jaunty dawn]

oh idk if I saw a grenade launcher

idk if the dark imperium intercessor squad had one(or two)

ah okay

so they're making eradicator the gravis 3 man devestator squad officially

[vital barn]

NGL those gunshields look dumb as fuck, but in like, a suitably space mariney way

[tired cairn]

Holding the gun to shoot the pistol looks so awkward

[jaunty dawn]

they give their heavy bolters blast vs infantry units

[vital barn]

if you painted them something that wasn't the armour matte colour I think they'd come out nicer

good case for the Iron Hands white bolters or similar

[jaunty dawn]

the gunshields do look really dumb which is weird when they've done good blast shields already?

[tired cairn]

Is it optional?

They don't look large enough to do much

[raven meteor]

I doubt this is true,

[jaunty dawn]

the right gravis has a gravis mx8 helmet which is kinda cool

thing is if the squad is 10 then that already uses every sculpt cause there's only 5 gretchin aiui

I guess there could be 20 boy sculpts but I kinda doubt

their vanguardin

they mention that vanguard are effectively veteran assault intercessors so (and sternguad veteran regular intercessors)

makes me think it would be nice to get a gravis veteran unit haha

the poses are quite nice

sculpted detail like the text etc

they point out that this brings the runic inlay from the terminator librarian onto the tacticus one

[pastel rampart]

"Librarian we are at war this is not the time to play pool"

[jaunty dawn]

the psykers are explicitly duelbait haha

[tired cairn]

You do in fact get 20 boys in the box!

[jaunty dawn]

no I mean like

20 different ork boyz

[tired cairn]

It'll be very weird if Gretchin are a 5/10 squad

Oooh, yeah

[jaunty dawn]

as opposed to 2x10 of the same ork boyz

grenad

captain has a crest option

[tired cairn]

Huh, they are doing less of the 'eavy metal "edge highlight absolutely every edge" these days aren't they?

[jaunty dawn]

I feel like they just need to rename the onslaught gatling cannon back to an assault cannon at this point???

[pastel rampart]

Captain sharing a sprue with the warboss means they won't be released separately, alas.

[vital barn]

ah, I like this a lot more than the primaris replacement speeders

[jaunty dawn]

heavy flamer option in the box apparently

to replace the gatling

[vital barn]

I feel it's important to the soul of marines for them to have a flying shitbox with two guys in it

[jaunty dawn]

it also has an entirely optional tactical rock using an alt part

which is cool

the other duelbait

[tired cairn]

Wait, is this not the 11th edition starter set?

Da Boss Nob has a choice of a kombi-rokkit or a kombi-shoota, and there are cosmetic options, including interchangeable ‘eads, so yer mob can all look different.

[jaunty dawn]

I love this guy

[tired cairn]

Or are they not doing totally mono-pose push-fit this time?

[jaunty dawn]

its pretty standard when they have repeated sprues in the box

maybe...more this time I guess?

[tired cairn]

Maybe they just didn't bother with termagants for straightforward reasons. Ha

[jaunty dawn]

mmm

usually it is just unit leaders up to this point I think

[tired cairn]

I don't recall any of that for the Tyranid half of the 10th edition starter. But well, they are a bit of a special case

[jaunty dawn]

like the two boss nob options would be the bare minimum but head options for the boyz is new

tbf tyranids don't have unit leaders haha

[tired cairn]

Hey, they have a few now

Though the neurotyrant didn't start as one lol

(the prime with wings did, but couldn't lead anything in the box lol)

[jaunty dawn]

like sergeants I mean

[tired cairn]

Ah, yeah

Well, technically they do for warriors (confusingly, it is a warrior prime) and zoanthropes. And I guess neurogants but lol

[jaunty dawn]

mhm

[rocky shale]

Orks absolutely winning in this box

[tired cairn]

Ork sergeants did get to keep special statlines unlike space marine ones though. Though maybe they also get a better knife sometimes?

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah

Nobs were always just a bigger upgrade

Same with exarchs

Whereas with space marines the +1 attack is baked into the melee weapons only they get and the +1 leadership is baked into the squad

[tired cairn]

https://bsky.app/profile/bitshammer.bsky.social/post/3mks7yglzfc2e

Bits (@bitshammer.bsky.social)

For those who haven't read the 4th ed Chaos Daemons codex:

-# Bits (@bitshammer.bsky.social)
Her and her little dog!

Bluesky · May 1, 2026, 1:23 PM

lol at the Wizard of Oz reference

[jaunty dawn]

Its actually kinda funny that like. The orks got a more unit bloat-y unit than the marines did. I think the kill rig is really cool but its like the only part of the box that is just a sudden new unit

Dakkarig

[tired cairn]

They do have more of a delta to make up for

I wonder what the cycle length would be if GW only did refreshes from now on

[thin ibex]

so yall think the land speeder is gonna be at a lower points cost over the storm speeder and serve... what role will it serve?

fast mover obviously

all teh storm speeders are synergy pieces already

[jaunty dawn]

Doesnt the land speeder technically still exist

[thin ibex]

i think its legends?

not sure

[jaunty dawn]

They mentioned that its rule is gonna be jumping after shooting

[thin ibex]

so an IFV style stick and move map control piece maybe

low firepower, but big movement

[jaunty dawn]

Sgot missiles a multi melta and a heavy flamer/onslaught gatling cannon

[floral herald]

I think this is the box winner for me

[little bay]

good orc

but remember not to let him become a mad doc

[tired cairn]

I do not want orc healthcare

Maybe pain boys don't actually heal anyone; they just "convince" wounded orks that they are actually totally fine and capable of fighting still

[sour sequoia]

Idk Im not convinced ork healthcare doesn’t match drukhari medicine

It probably only hurts about the same amount too

[vital barn]

they have truly magic bullshit healthcare it just only works on orks

[sour sequoia]

Get me a doctor and a sixpack of buckfast stat

[vital barn]

it doesn't even come in six-packs so it'll have to be even worse wine

behold, the premixed buckfast tin, a horror beyond my comprehension

[thin ibex]

ork doctors are pretty much just playing lego

[sour sequoia]

If the guy I was painting this lucius for was british I’d be printing out decals of these for his backpack canisters

Thats so beautiful. Ork healthcare

[vital barn]

I don't know who thought anyone would ever consume that but it's funny to collide wine mum tinned cocktails with the default hooligan drink

[thin ibex]

ok what's buckfast?

[vital barn]

15% abv fortified wine with the caffeine content of weak coffee or espresso depending on which variant you buy

bought in full 750ml bottles

made by some monks in southern England, consumed largely by yobs

imagine it is as 4loko multiplied by four in every dimension and you're about right

some of the only booze I've encountered that took out well over half the group before we even left the door to go to the club, I escaped only because I had a total of one small glass

[bright dove]

16llllooookkkkoooo, got it

[sour sequoia]

Staring at the detach that makes guard tanks characters

Also the equal attention marines detach that makes vindis characters

[rocky shale]

Not sure why you'd want to heroic a guard tank given that they kinda suck in melee

[soft willow]

To suddenly put a whole second tank on that objective.

[rocky shale]

Fair

[raven meteor]

This sounds deadly,

[floral herald]

Isn’t there a shoot for your melee detachment for guard tanks?

[desert jay]

I think there's at least some degree of stapling things back in place

[rocky shale]

You're probably thinking of the shoot blast weapons while engaged one

[floral herald]

I probably am

[rocky shale]

I don't think did anything in 10 that actually lets you use a ranged profile in the fight phase

Just the one tau unit with the gun flavored melee profile

[tired cairn]

Not necessarily onto the same body as the part is originally from, as I understand it

[past sphinx]

im not unhappy with a new landspeeder

but whats the other one gonna do now

perfect ork

[thin ibex]

Can you just slap a gatling gun on the bottom of the og land speeder and boom you have a new one?

[pastel rampart]

OG land speeder had an assault cannon underneath so wouldn't even have to change anything.

[floral herald]

Might need to stick some missiles on

[pastel rampart]

Typhoon missile launcher on the sides.

[floral herald]

Perfect

[pastel rampart]

Aside from the heavy flamer the OG land speeder had all the weapons the new one has.

[past sphinx]

love a good harrassing unit

one day attack bikes will return

or they will let you take full ATV squads

very interested in the nonpushfit vanguards because i recall the sterngaurd pushfit where also kinda stinky

[pastel rampart]

Also: final one for now: diamond plate.

[misty violet]

Kind of weird that they're making the new HBolter guys explicitly also Eradicators. I would of that means we might see other Devastator weapons appearing as Eradicator variants (rocket launchers, plasma cannons, graviton cannons, lascannons, etc)

[floral herald]

Happy to see fewer Dr Doofinshmirtz squads I can’t lie

[jaunty dawn]

Although it is kinda weird cause like melta eradicators arent multi melta squad theyre 2x melta+ and a multi melta

[floral herald]

Yeah I was wondering if one of them would get a Heavier Bolter

[jaunty dawn]

Heaviest bolter

Tbf they might get one in multipart afterwards lmao

Since the indomitus eradicators didnt get the multi melta yet

I do really dig this alt head for the captain

Specially the crest one I mean but the mk7alike is cool too

[pastel rampart]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/850964450013216788/1499814546964217977/image0-283.webp?ex=69f62aa5&is=69f4d925&hm=ca3936985fe79d8c4eb787a9fd12a70ca0282c60dec5dc9395b0782ba27a2f19&format=webp&width=1196&height=1421&

[soft willow]

Stolen an abominable intelligence

[jaunty dawn]

The article also points out that the vanguard vets all have crux terminatus on their shoulder pads and in retrospect its weird that the sternguard didnt lol

The ones in leviathan, at least. The multipart ones do

Neither flavour of bladeguard though

Mkay yeah the intercessors are 5 poses with 2 builds each, as opposed to just the sergeant having an alt build

Subtle but kinda nice

[stark cypress]

Shush you. The small child is obviously a machine spirit.

Huge difference.

Machine spirits seek to aid humanity.

Abominable intelligence seeks to destroy humanity.

[soft willow]

https://tenor.com/view/error-damn-not-found-scaevola-40k-warhammer-gif-16411412438171560757

[stark cypress]

My rebuttal

https://tenor.com/view/jared-happy-birthday-gif-22622137

[floral herald]

I just noticed that this is a new helmet for gravis and that the heavy bolter is ejecting brass

[sour sequoia]

Behold the strat in the stupid baneblade fire into melee detach that gives vehicles +6 attacks and an extra AP on melee

Baneblade goes 12 AP-2 high STR attacks

[rocky shale]

Oh yeah that one does exist

[past sphinx]

the only important part of the reveal

THE BOYS ARE HERE

[thin ibex]

I know it's the shoulder pad but I saw that and went BIG SHOE

New primaris with one extra large boot

[jaunty dawn]

Omg yeah

[little bay]

ohhp sorry

[junior robin]

Well at this point are there even any civilians left for the marine malevolent to whirlwind?

[desert jay]

Yes, because they consider Guard and Sisters and PDF and Skitarii and etc to also be civilians

Jury’s out on Knights or Custodes

[little bay]

hey lads

and ladies

what are the ranks in the inquisition from lowest to highest?

also how many psykers are among the inquisition?

[broken dew]

remembering that one time they used an active field hospital full of Guard and Hospitaler as bait for an orc waaagh

[little bay]

pdf?

[broken dew]

planetary defense force

[little bay]

what is a pdf file doing there?

[little bay]

i see

good to know

[desert jay]

PDF are basically Guard but less well-equipped and less trained and they don't go offworld

[broken dew]

budget budget

[desert jay]

Sometimes they get "hey, you're a guard regiment now, here's a proper lasgun instead of that slug thrower" and then thrown into a meat grinder somewhere

[broken dew]

all glory to the imperial guard

[desert jay]

"I haven't been trained on a lasgun, sir." "It's the same principle. Point, shoot. If you survive combat then we'll talk field maintenance after"

[little bay]

i see

so the pdf just get autoguns and shit

[desert jay]

Depends on what the planet can afford, but yes

[main pagoda]

it can really be a sliding scale from dudes with laslocks to essentially a whole guard regiment

[pastel rampart]

PDF are to IG what the national guard is to the US Army, to put it in a comparison closer to the real world.

[little bay]

i see

may i ask a question

[valid brook]

Please do