also iirc Sanguinius was
#Warhammer and Such
floral herald
Yeah but it’s complicated
He saw visions of himself losing to Horus
And that meant no one else could kill him
So we went hard as hell for the siege until then
broken dew
mhm
floral herald
And then tried to defy fate while it was broken
pastel rampart
Sangy has a lesser form of the Red Thirst that he struggled with, so I imagine at this point...probably nothing. It'd persist because it's had 10,000 years to stew inside every BA gene-seed.
broken dew
big w's to Sanguinius for giving it his best shot
didn't succeed as misfortune would have it but he gave it a hell of a try
wide veldt
Red thirst and black rage are different
broken dew
i do kinda like him essentially using a prophecy to make himself temporarily unbeatable since he knew his own death
solid use of prophecy/future vision
wide veldt
That does rule
charred bridge
Funnily enough Curze did the opposite, he gave up on doing really anything whether aiding the traitors or loyalists. He knew from visions that the imperium was going down one of the worst futures he's seen and because he could do nothing about it he just ran away while the Night Lords did their own thing
pastel rampart
Red thirst and black rage are different
Yes but one leads to the other and, importantly, Cawl kept that flaw in when making the primaris because he figured Emps left it in there for a good reason.
charred bridge
Sanguinius knew a future was certain and tried to do as much good as he could and defy it
Curze and Sanguinius are such good foils
paper bluff
I still really want to know about alpha primus' gene seed would do. Cause that's all primarchs. Would it be thunder warrior?
broken dew
thunder warriors are quite different from Space Marines iirc
i don't even think they had gene seed
pastel rampart
They didn't, they were a hack job of a proto-astartes and not meant to last.
Emps wouldn't bother putting gene seed in something that was only meant to exist for a decade or so.
broken dew
mhm
they all died in glorious battle at the battle of the suspiciously non-descript Mount Ararat
charred bridge
Is it ever mentioned how Emps made THunder warriors like did they have proto gene seeds, created from a vat, just did extensive alterations to existing humans
broken dew
augmentation and alchemical shit iirc
pastel rampart
Yeah, he basically took any fighting-fit person and shoved a bunch of augments in there and super roid juice.
broken dew
which is also why they all went apeshit and started melting
he did shit like gene-sculpting, alchemical augmentation and normal biological augmentation to make them super warriors
but you know, futzing about with that if you're not careful can be rather disastrous
and Big E was to say the least, not particularly careful
Big E just kinda hit the Thunder Warriors with everything which gave them better stats than Space Marines
but they were also massively mentally and physically unstable
Space Marines have a better shelf life and and less mental issues, which makes them a lot better
tired cairn
The Emperor created at least three different processes to make super soldiers
floral herald
broken dew
The Emperor created at least three different processes to make super soldiers
low cost short time fodder with the thunder warriors, medium cost long term army builders with the space marines and absurdly high cost ultra elites with the Custodes
charred bridge
GW has the funniest opportunity to release a loyalist clone Fulgrim model so Emperor's Child can have 2 primarchs
past sphinx
god i fucking love thunder warriors
GW GIVE ME A TERRAN CONQUEST NOVEL AND MY SOUL IS YOURS
thin ibex
I still want fucked up Wulfen leman
past sphinx
give me a truely scrungle loyalist primarch
fucked up were wolf odin leman would go hard
pastel rampart
G-man: "Brother, you are missing an eye."
Russ: "Yes, I sacrificed it to gain wisdom."
G-man: "Did it work?"
Russ: [chewing on a giant thigh bone] "Eh, not really."
desert jay
Angron Transfigured exists (out of stock)
pastel rampart
desert jay
Baby demon angron??
Yeah
All the 30k legions have a primarch model, but there's 2nd models for three legions with Angron Transfigured, Fulgrim Transfigured, and Horus Ascended
Theoretically they could do Mortarion Transfigured too, since he also became a daemon prince before his arrival at the Siege of Terra
pulsar cairn
i think its funny how they still lost the heresy
i mean i do suppose they werent really cooperating much
desert jay
Well, we also knew they lost the heresy before the first book came out
pulsar cairn
i wonder how things will go if they ever wanna do like warhammer 50k
not that they need to do a 50k
they still have a lot of content left in 40 k i think
also im so sorry i keep switching the subjects
desert jay
Actually now I'm wondering when the list of all 18 legions was canonized
Okay, definitely by 1993
And most of them by 1989, only Iron Hands and Raven Guard unnamed as among the first founding
(Iron Hands had a mention in RT but not as a first founding)
main pagoda
i mean i do suppose they werent really cooperating much
literally the sole reason, SoT was pretty close cut but traitor legions gonna traitor legion
desert jay
I think at least two legions went "I agreed to this much, no more" and just... left
But also like a handful of legions weren't even at the SoT
main pagoda
yeah WB were banished because well
lorgar
NL were never there outside of like a single company
misty violet
Flaming skull headed Legion of the Damned Ferrus Manus is absolutely my pick for next Loyalist Primarch, especially with a Legion of the Damned unit update
finite compass
G-man: "Brother, you are missing an eye."
Russ: "Yes, I sacrificed it to gain wi...
I know what you mean, but I still did a double-take
And read that in the Half-Life G-Man voice
Brother...YOU are... <Long inhale> Missing an eyyyeeee..."
pseudo shuttle
time to lock in and actually build and paint these intercessors
plastic cement bought
gunna pop into my local gamestore and grab the paints from them
lifes good
sour sequoia
tepid stratus
Ah plunging, the rule everyone ignored all 10th edition now forced upon us by knights players lol
dense siren
Looks like they also reduced the height needed for plunging fire
From 6" to 3"
I think it was 6"
junior robin
finally, the floor is lava 40k
floral herald
From 6" to 3"
Thank goodness lol
GW makes all their second floors about 4” elevated
And doesn’t have a lot of third floors
pastel rampart
-1 BS for cover is going to be funky.
sour sequoia
GSC infinite handflamers stonks rising
tired cairn
GW makes all their second floors about 4” elevated
Also infantry barely had the movement to get high enough
Huh, interesting that terrain features must go in terrain areas
Ah, the L shaped ruins now go in the rectangular shaped footprints
thin ibex
Ah plunging, the rule everyone ignored all 10th edition now forced upon us by kn...
Ironically it came up a lot more in casual games online because terrain for custom maps is less standardized. I made frequent use of it with autocannon units like havocs to really punch up
sour sequoia
Crusade GSC suddenly cracking mass AP-2 was big, beyond that I think I literally never saw it
paper bluff
desert jay
I now wanna see Emp's posts on r/AITA
pastel rampart
Emps was alive during the 21st century so there's a real chance he is/was a reddit mod.
charred bridge
Emps on reddit saying Jesus is overrated as he's met the guy. Also its not that impressive to come back to life after dying and it took 3 whole days he could do better
wide veldt
It would take corvus killing me like 6 times to get me that low
mental birch
-1 BS for cover is going to be funky.
Guide keep ignore xoverrr
thin ibex
How skilled/dangerous do yall reckon prince Yriel with his Spear of Twilight is in the scope of named 40k characters?
Feels like a cool character who is generally dangerous, but doesn't seem to pop up in many discussions
I guess being a pirate leader is part of his overall danger score more so than how personally dangerous he is
vital barn
like most Eldar characters, about named space marine captain level but a lot less lucky
upper canopy
How skilled/dangerous do yall reckon prince Yriel with his Spear of Twilight is ...
He fought the Swarmlord
So he's Space Marine Chapter Master Of A 30k-era Chapter levels important
pastel rampart
floral herald
lol
upper canopy
I thought it was gonna be khorne
sonic hare
assuming thats salamanders and flamers ignore cover?
upper canopy
ya
tired cairn
And also don't care about to hit penalties from stealth
mental birch
https://www.tnktok.com/t/ZP8gFbQKv/
so! okay from experience it doesn't matter 😛
paper bluff
And also don't care about to hit penalties from stealth
You spray something down with fire. tends not to matter how stealthy they are
jaunty dawn
I kinda like the idea of just coming out with a fixed set of floor templates and then just putting whatever you want on top of them
thin ibex
I'm wondering if stealth will work different, since cover and plunging fire are BS oriented, stealth is a little less valuable if it's just -1 to hit
jaunty dawn
Guess it could become a stacking modifier again 💀
tired cairn
As long as 6s autohit, orks not caring about stealth units in terrain will be funny
pseudo shuttle
need to start putting together a paint list
i need like
4 or 5 paints for just the base
then the spray,
then...a pot of army painter for edge highlighting a pot of something else to recess shade
then i need to figure out what the hell im doing for like
the black parts of the armour
and then like , the metal, the lether, the eyes
man minis need a lot of paint
main pagoda
for black just use black legion or black templar contrast
pseudo shuttle
that seems like it'd be out of place if im doing a bunch of fancy stuff for the white parts of the armour no?
main pagoda
i mean its black
sour sequoia
that seems like it'd be out of place if im doing a bunch of fancy stuff for the ...
I have a good recipe for black locked in at this point, but I think if you are reticent to try things like blending or edge highlighting out the gate, you will be better served by just using black templar over grey primer and then cleaning up
It looks fine tbh
pseudo shuttle
adding a grey basecoat, and black templar to the list then
this gamestore is about to make bank off of me this is like 12 or so paints now
pastel rampart
Fluo red over yellow made it look like a cheeto...
soft willow
It's somewhere between regular and flamin' hot yeah.
pastel rampart
Honestly I kinda like it so I'm keeping it that way, just probably with some yellow highlights.
It's a great bray-shaman too so it makes sense the beastman wizard has a weird glowy skull stick.
hollow laurelBOT
We are back on our brainstorming due to being reminded the Macharius tank exist(ed) and have caught the Krieg bug once more
Kinda wish it survived the integration of Forge World but we can always 3d print and run one as a rogal dorn if we really wanted to
They’re about the same size and the rogal dorn is pretty blatantly meant to fill the same niche so we doubt most people will mind
mental birch
Dumb idea i had for a format 1.5k point roster with locked detachment, but after pairings you build it into a 1k point army call it list tailoring the event
pseudo shuttle
hmm
leather elements on a space marine
do you think they're small enough that i can get by just by using a contrast paint
and not doing any like
recess shading or edge highlighting all that complicated stuff
desert jay
Dumb idea i had for a format 1.5k point roster with locked detachment, but after...
So basically just having a 500 pt sideboard. Not that dumb
jaunty dawn
and not doing any like
recess shading or edge highlighting all that complicated ...
Theoretically yeah, try it and see if you feel like you want more tbh ^^ save your initial paint investment on just getting the main scheme down
pseudo shuttle
i just wish that priming white and then using a white contrast paint looked good x3
that would make my life
so so much easier
jaunty dawn
I feel like you could probably get pretty decent results with that nowadays
Have you seen examples and just dont like it?
jaunty dawn
Main thing would be working on your brush control then to keep those areas white
When youre painting in the blacks
pseudo shuttle
if i stuck to contrast paints the amount of paints i'd need would like
half
eh then again
between just the white an black armour even if i stick to contrasts thats still 1 spray can and 3 pots
pseudo shuttle
jeez x3
jaunty dawn
I dont think contrast would be a bad start though
pseudo shuttle
would definetly make my life a bit less stressful
jaunty dawn
Id say give it a try, you can always do the highlighting and shading stuff on top of contrast. Research and prep is good especially if youre inclined to it but theres no substitute for practice and experience ^^
mental birch
So basically just having a 500 pt sideboard. Not that dumb
Idea is to punish skew statcheck armies
But still keep to the shorter game times of 1k
floral herald
Dumb idea i had for a format 1.5k point roster with locked detachment, but after...
This is lowkey how about 40% of kill teams work
Albeit your “standard” list is more locked in there
atomic apex
The way KT does it is pretty neat
mental birch
Conceptually how do you think?
floral herald
I’m a fan of the concept
atomic apex
Some amount of sideboarding would be good I think
floral herald
Yeah there’s a lot of “this unit is good but not into MEQs” which can make them hard to take in a take all comers list
mental birch
Biggest idea is to like let people take, "oh you want to do too many tanks? Eat anti tank"
still warren
tired cairn
While not able to use Terrain Areas to gain cover, they can still perch behind ruins, trees, and rubble to gain the benefit of cover, which will be most of the time when holding an objective, as objectives ARE ruins, trees or rubble.
I feel it is weird vehicles can't use area terrain for cover?
Also, did they pass a mandate down that every article about the new rules had to talk about the "story of the game" lol
floral herald
Also, did they pass a mandate down that every article about the new rules had to...
Most likely haha
floral herald
> While not able to use Terrain Areas to gain cover, they can still perch behind...
I find it pretty at home as someone who started at the tail end of 4e but I guess it’s been out of norms for a long time
tired cairn
I think my mind goes to when forests where made with trees you can easily take away so you can put units in them easily
pseudo shuttle
okay, i think this should do me for a basic but good tabletop ready mini
the only stuff this wont super cover are any non silver metalics
and things like , leather and purity seals
thin ibex
Not in game, but lore wise, the onslaught gatling cannon is effective against light armor as well as soft targets right?
I guess that's illustrated by dev wounds
sour sequoia
Also, did they pass a mandate down that every article about the new rules had to...
After like 4 years of people screaming that 10th took away people’s ability to RP they’re trying to really stress it lol
Its Brand Talk
wide veldt
I mean i dont think people were incorrect that it was a lot less of a priority
thin ibex
I kinda feel like people were right to have the criticism but overblew the impact the rules had on their ability to pretend things
Maybe unsurprising as this is a Lancer server, but having the rules work from a balance perspective for a game first is probably the higher priority
Noting that when I say "work" I don't mean perfectly balanced
rocky shale
The average complaining gamer cannot imagine their dudes doing anything that they don't have a datasheet ability for, apparently
wide veldt
I think thats a little pithy lol
rocky shale
It is
But my LGS has a ton of people who have all been very happy and capable of doing crusades with strong narrative emphasis, writing in-character battle reports, etc. So the complaint always confuses me.
mental birch
Some amount of sideboarding would be good I think
My qurstion is if 500 points for 1k too much or better off to do 250
And like my inner maximalist wants to add an army draft phase
hardy harness
Tried making an Ironbreaker, do you lot reckon he came out decently?
main pagoda
yeah looks sick
upper canopy
That's pretty ironbreakery yeah
hardy harness
Wish I could kitbash and add a larger noseguard like the ones most Ironbreaker designs seem to favor
sour sequoia
And like my inner maximalist wants to add an army draft phase
Have you played teams ever
I think a lot of mtg players’ issues with the singles tourney format gets solved by teams
You just actually draft matchups across two teams of 8 players, using different layouts
floral herald
How do teams work?
sour sequoia
How do teams work?
You build your roster, not sharing any codexes between players—if someone takes nurglings in CK for instance, daemons is out for whole team and then a DG player couldnt run tallyband.
Each team elects a defender, facedown card
Each team selects two attackers to nominate toward that defending list
Each defender picks which attacker they take on, and then you roll off to determine who gets first pick of tables (for terrain density) and then alternate
Scores are on WTC so its actually abt the differential you force, but its actually accumulating across all 8 games per round out of 20 total per match.
It can be worth to take a bunch of grindy small wins over lining up a big 20-0 slam if it wont alleviate anything on rest of the team.
There’s a lot of thinking to do on what’s good for defending, attacking, into what armies, who needs babying matchups versus terrain, etc.
Also literally every army has a good spot in here and you’re not just showing up praying you dont get countered to hell r1/2 like in singles
floral herald
Interesting
desert jay
You build your roster, not sharing any codexes between players—if someone takes ...
Could a team take both IK and CK?
sour sequoia
It absolutely can lmao
Maybe not a great idea but I’ve seen people leverage it especially last summer when both were busted to hell and back
Team Australia’s whole bit is rocking 8 dudespam horde armies and just grinding every game
brittle salmon
Team Australia’s whole bit is rocking 8 dudespam horde armies and just grinding ...
we learnt that from the emu wars
desert jay
8 with no codex overlap, hmm...
Guard, CSM, GSC, Nids are the easy ones...
Tau, SOB, Orks, and SM? There's other options too but I gotta guess something
brittle salmon
Orks is one of the OG horde armies, yeah
sour sequoia
I gotta double check what they did but here’s what I’d rip:
AdMech - SHC
Sisters - is it bringers of the flame? The assault detach??
Black Templars - bastion task force lmfao
GSC - pick anything not brood bros or final day
Tyranids - Invasion Fleet
Chaos Marines - Chaos Cult
Orks - Green Tide
Guard - Recon
desert jay
Yeah Bastion Task Force BT was my guess for SM
mental birch
Have you played teams ever
No but like draft as in players pick units taking turns to build their armies in front of each other from the list
pseudo shuttle
this may be a niche question but
does anyone here have experience making their own custom transfers?
pastel rampart
Wanted to see how well a beastmen giant would come out on my printer.
And for FDM? Pretty dang good.
sonic hare
that looks great
pastel rampart
Pretty happy with the results. Some scuffed parts here and there due to supports since I had to orientate the arms in funky ways but nothing I can't fix.
mental birch
mental birch
30 to 24 bottom of 3
I got like 2 vanguard triggers and jumped ahead
And at that point we had nothing we could do to each other
Killing mosst of a 10 man tetminnator
Hillariously the vangusrd qjust absorebd fire
mental birch
they didn't react off the point?
Not ursarax thallax
Haaahaahah
Got shot off the point
Ursarax ended up just absorbing 2 rounds of attention
vital barn
well, they are really good at that
I'll have to remember Myrms have Vanguard, I keep forgetting that's a thing despite the fact they can zap marines really well
mental birch
I'll have to remember Myrms have Vanguard, I keep forgetting that's a thing desp...
Myrmidons + thallax
Hillariously vanguard 3 + comptroller 1
Was wild fun
mental birch
well, they are really good at that
They didnt manage any killi g
But did do violemce
vital barn
I thought Vanguard didn't work with Comptroller
or was that thallax scoring + myrmidons finishing stuff off
mental birch
I forgot to apply it either way.
mental birch
or was that thallax scoring + myrmidons finishing stuff off
Whst does that mean?
mental birch
I thought Vanguard didn't work with Comptroller
Oh it doesnt nevermind haha
vital barn
Whst does that mean?
I have some lists where a Reductor magos goes with thallax, who cap stuff with Comptroller and weaken units, and then all my Vanguard dudes (Domitars, Myrmidons) shoot them
magi are slow so being able to daisy chain Thallax out in front to put some metal toes on points helps significantly
little bay
very nice hellbrute
mental birch
@vital barn
Mechanicum - 1k - [1000 Point(s), 1 Apex Detachment(s)]
Mechanicum - ++ Crusade Force Organization Chart ++ [800 Point(s), 1 Apex Detachment(s)]
Allegiance
Allegiance: Loyalist
Mechanicum - ++ Crusade Primary Detachment ++ [170 Point(s)]
High Command [170 Point(s)]
Archmagos [170 Point(s)]: Myrmidax, Cyber-familiar [20 Point(s)], Nuncio-vox [10 Point(s)], Fury of Ages [5 Point(s)], Phased plasma-fusil [15 Point(s)], Arcana Benefice, Frag grenades, One Apex Detachment
Mechanicum - ++ Apex - The Host of Destruction ++ [630 Point(s), 1 Apex Detachment(s)]
Elites - Myrmidax Only [630 Point(s)]
Myrmidon Destructor Host [210 Point(s)]: Myrmidax, Shock chargers, Frag grenades
• 1x Destructor Lord [20 Point(s)]: Darkfire cannon [20 Point(s)]
• 2x Destructor [65 Point(s)]: Darkfire cannon [20 Point(s)]
Myrmidon Secutor Host [210 Point(s)]: Myrmidax, Power axe, Frag grenades
• 1x Secutor Lord [20 Point(s)]: Twin phased plasma-fusil [20 Point(s)]
• 2x Secutor [65 Point(s)]: Twin phased plasma-fusil [20 Point(s)]
Myrmidon Secutor Host [210 Point(s)]: Myrmidax, Power axe, Frag grenades
• 1x Secutor Lord [20 Point(s)]: Twin phased plasma-fusil [20 Point(s)]
• 2x Secutor [65 Point(s)]: Twin phased plasma-fusil [20 Point(s)]
Skitarii Conclaves - ++ Allied Detachment and its Auxiliary ++ [200 Point(s)]
Army Configuration
Advanced Reaction
Skitarii Conclaves - ++ Allied Detachment ++ [200 Point(s)]
Troops [200 Point(s)]
Skitarii Battle-Pilgrym Corpus [100 Point(s)]: Frag grenades, Krak grenades, Acquisitor
• 1x Skitarii Ordinatus: Voltlock arquebus
• 7x Skitarii Battle-Pigrym [10 Point(s)]: Voltlock arquebus
Skitarii Battle-Pilgrym Corpus [100 Point(s)]: Frag grenades, Krak grenades, Acquisitor
• 1x Skitarii Ordinatus: Voltlock arquebus
• 7x Skitarii Battle-Pigrym [10 Point(s)]: Voltlock arquebus
Had a idea
mental birch
floral herald
👀 that's sick
quaint geode
how are they as models? was thinking of getting the box for some kitbashing fodder, but there's been surprisingly little discussion of them as kits
mental birch
how are they as models? was thinking of getting the box for some kitbashing fodd...
The body is difficult to harvest for kitbash parts
What kind of kitbash you wanna do?
As long as you use the body+head+shoulderpad atructure its pretty fine
quaint geode
The body is difficult to harvest for kitbash parts
more like kitbashing onto them I guess, yeah
was actually specifically thinking of using the bodies as the basis for some really weird custodes
quaint geode
kind of leaning into the absolutely ancient, wizened inhabitants of the deepest bits of terra Earth, who have gone to seed
NICE. arms were one of the main things that was giving me pause.
pastel rampart
charred bridge
bright dove
Shoots Rogal Dorn
broken dew
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/596197650332778498/1492941544708116521/im...
feelsbadman for the Warhounds
vital barn
also the Blood Angels
broken dew
you know thinking about it
maybe my homebrew chapter should have been like a 30k loyalist group or something cause the whole inspo for it was loyalists from a traitor chapter
which is like the most interesting concept to me from the whole setting
broken dew
maybe my homebrew chapter should have been like a 30k loyalist group or somethin...
not like the Dusk Defiant are particularly thinly veiled as death guard loyalists
thin ibex
Yeah who names their son Horus Heresy even?
charred bridge
Yeah who names their son Horus Heresy even?
Is he stupid?
Why would he say he'd not a god when his name is Godemperor of Mankind?
pulsar cairn
i like loyalists from traitor legions
there were these guy's from the sons of horus who renamed themselves back to Luna Wolves when they refused to join the rebelion against the emperor
i think i would like the traitors more if they werent crazed chaos cultists
cause like, the emperor 100% had it coming 
but chaos reign isn't much of an improvement
desert jay
*Shoots Rogal Dorn*
Acceptable losses
stark cypress
Decided to some headswaps
Gonna be using some Krieg and Stormtrooper bits to make something for Stargrave.
Do I have the rules for it? Not yet.
pastel rampart
Well these printed out pretty nicely.
Gonna drop the layer height from 0.2mm to 0.12mm for future ruins prints tho, it's slightly more visible than I'd like but I can work with it.
junior robin
to bad its archeotech and we cant put 2 in every space marine
also bit funny in the lore, one say that its like a laspistol and another a "hot-shot laspistol"
god I wish I had the skills to 3d sculpt so I could do a Guiliman wielding Yarrick like a rifle.
broken dew
god I wish I had the skills to 3d sculpt so I could do a Guiliman wielding Yarri...
lmaooooooo
do we count Yarrick as archeotech himself at this point if Guilliman is gonna use him as a gun
junior robin
feels like he is more machine then man at this point
junior robin
also love the new weirdboy, though they did sadly peak in 1e 👀
also looked up madboyz and their lore is probably my favourite ork thing, they are feral orks who have seen technology so advanced they went mad from the revelation.
broken dew
that's kinda funny
tired cairn
I like how Yarrick can charge people that end up near him (though I suspect shooting will be the ability used the most there)
New weirdboy model is pretty good
pastel rampart
https://store.steampowered.com/app/317620/Space_Hulk_Ascension_Classic/ ...wait, why am I getting an email saying this is on sale? Wasn't this delisted?
pastel rampart
I guess???
stark cypress
pastel rampart
The hell happened
junior robin
clearly this means 11th ed will bring a new era of space hulk 
soft willow
Clearly gotta sell my old version of the board game before they reprint it for 11th.
pastel rampart
Hhhhuh.
junior robin
fire warrior?! 
stark cypress
!?!?!?
sour sequoia
I like how Yarrick can charge people that end up near him (though I suspect shoo...
Dreir death riders or attilans offturn charge is actually goated tbh, the death riders reactive move is on the same timing
So you can slingshot some fucking horsies and really mess with people
floral herald
Yooooo
spice flicker
So I was working on trying to flesh out a crusade for some friends, that would all be playing imperial forces allied with one another (they chose that), and came up with an idea for a "final threat" to shake things up. For reference the crusade will be based around a system that is a key chokepoint in keeping both halves of the imperium connected, recently barely held off an invasion from a hive fleet, and chaos forces are about to launch a siege as well.
The system's populace also has a weird quirk to them: they belong to the sect of the golden angel, an offshoot of the mainline imperial faith with a heavy emphasis on "the Golden Angel, the Golden Dragon of Emperor" with the latter name being revealed late in the campaign. This sect actually worships a dormant brainwashing xenos that nearly became a chaos god before being struck down 65 million years ago and again early in the great crusade by the Emperor himself when humanity's expansion threaten to reawaken this beast.
The sect will probably start off as a traitor guard force when they become antagonists before gaining other forces as well like Alpha Legion forces who also have succumbed to the brainwashing. Besides mortal forces, the "golden angel" also corrupted all the destroyer cult necrons sleeping on the planet into serving it, and the "sleeping but growing aware" entity has also been trying to subvert some of the surviving tyranids away from the Hive Mind and into its control.
A potential modifier to the campaign once the Sect and its forces take center stage is that losses to the sect carry an additional penalty. If a unit falls in battle against sect forces and suffers a battle scar, a leadership test is needed. If the test is passed then proceed as normal and tje scar is applied, otherwise if failed then the unit is "converted" and gets replaced by a fresh equivalent (for free) since the fallen has now become part of the sect and I can have it appear in later battles as additional allies to the sect forces.
What do you think of this idea? Admittedly it was inspired by the analog horror Godzilla Just Pray and the depiction of Ghidorah in it who is brainwashing people into forming a cult around it as "the three headed seraphim, the golden dragon, etc." Also if you havent seen what it looks like in tjat series its one of the more interesting depictions of it in fan media.
Sorry if the idea is a bit much but it was something I just came up with earlier and it got the idea wheels turning. But yeah first part of the crusade is mopping up Tyranids before chaos arrives, second is holding off the forces of chaos before the Sect takes advantage of the situation and tries to "awaken the angel to save us all", and final part is everyone against the sect as they seek to awaken what could evolve into a potential chaos god and brainwash everyone into serving it.
spice flicker
If its a bad idea I will just scrap it but am curious what others think.
tired cairn
Dreir death riders or attilans offturn charge is actually goated tbh, the death ...
He can join the horsies? He must be really hoofing weird-claw-pawing it on foot
finite compass
Pondering how I'd kitbash this
Probably Krieg body, dunno what I'd do with the head
sour sequoia
Probably Krieg body, dunno what I'd do with the head
Aquilons and some greenstuff I think works out best
stark cypress
I've been doing something like
Been taking some Scion heads and snipping off the joint.
And then I snip off a bit of the Krieger body (the portion where a Krieg head would) to make the head fit.
That's how I did these last night
Plastic glue and green stuff will help with covering up gaps.
Same with Sprue goo.
paper bluff
color me suprised they even ported it
stark cypress
Fire Warrior remast or remake when?
pastel rampart
I'd rather see a full-on remake because that game is not good.
upper bluff
At least "it's quiet"
paper bluff
Fire Warrior remast or remake when?
when enough reviews on the steam page say it
floral herald
Lmao new fire warrior has this
stark cypress
Oh right
because the MC may or may not be a Khrone champion due to everything that happened.
upper canopy
"The Tau are competent in this: viewer discretion is advised"
sour sequoia
“Yeah sorry we wrote this in an age people besides marines were allowed to do shit”
still warren
Lmao new fire warrior has this
This game dedicated to our brave Gue'vesa auxiliaries
thin ibex
hey its not like Tau cant fall to chaos, its just pretty rare
that have a much reduced warp presence, they're not all nulls
floral herald
I think it’s really funny cause Fire Warrior was never very aligned with the broader lore
jaunty dawn
Lmao new fire warrior has this
Any resemblance to fictional persons of canon dubious or no is purely coincidental.
charred bridge
Lmao new fire warrior has this
It is not canon that GW has ever glazed the Tau without the first contact books
floral herald
Shas’la Kais is a freak
Fun fact: Malum Kaedo is blue so he can be the same color as La’Kais
tranquil ivy
holy shit a glaive
upper canopy
I want Kais being a tau murder blender to be canon
native schooner
color me suprised they even ported it
holy shit
been wanting to play this for ages
noo i dont have enough steambucks (and i cant use paypal anymore for it in my country) 😭 😭
paper bluff
what's your steam name?
dense wharf
I want Kais being a tau murder blender to be canon
If we're allowing Malum to be canon, He should be too
upper canopy
One joke I am so mad I never got to use in TTS was Kais doing the double Duke Nukem kick
dense wharf
One joke I am so mad I never got to use in TTS was Kais doing the double Duke Nu...
Are you able to comment on if were there plans to have more tau before... everything?
most I recall tau getting focus was one off jokes, w/ Eldar getting most of the "xenos" focus
vital barn
I believe Kais is still the Tau Winter Soldier
dense wharf
I mean
all the tau "Generals" are winter soldiers
Far Sight is arguably Tau "Nomad" cap
vital barn
Kais is mentioned in some of the otherwise mid Farsight books as this disgustingly dangerous solo operative who murders everything personally and stayed conscious for his entire cryo period getting better at murder
dense wharf
they all go into cryo
though I'd say Kais is more Tau "Doom guy"
he's not exactly subtle
meanwhile WS was a ghost for ages
bright dove
Yeah, Kais is for when you need everything, and I mean everything very dead very fast.
dense wharf
Ain't nobody gonna be a witness if ain't no witnesses left
bright dove
I do love that FIre Warrior is basically Kais going "Oh no, this is my first combat deployment. I hope I do OK!"
upper canopy
Are you able to comment on if were there plans to have more tau before... everyt...
Ya Tau were gonna show up
I still think we fucked over Xenos super hard
dense wharf
Admittedly you "Did" in terms of screen time, but that's as much a writing decision as a reuslt of 40k focusing Heavily on human conflict
so given the central conceit of the series is involved in Big E trying to do things, most of what he has to do is gonna involve the humans
It took us how many years to get the Yvraine stuff, only for them to be abandoned after 1 meh novel trilogy?
main pagoda
i think that mainly comes down to them fucking up that whole story line
dense wharf
Also true
Them putting the only resolutions for themselves as "Slaneesh dies" was maybe not the best plan
Could have at least allowed for "With enough souls, the Eldar are now feeling less of a pull" so the good news is, they're not as reliant on soul stones, and Slaneesh can't auto damn them.
Bad news:
The other chaos gods now are gonna try and stake a claim on the real estate
charred bridge
Maybe the AoS elves told the 40k Aelderi how they just imprisoned slaanesh and they got an idea
dense wharf
Alternatively, just have Yvraine's ressurection allow the Eldar to begin ressurecting some of their gods besides Khaine
and stop letting Khaine's avatars be jobbers
main pagoda
it is the thing of them finding their feet with a meta plot style that can work fine in AoS but 40k just has alot bigger scope so its alot harder
charred bridge
Could have at least allowed for "With enough souls, the Eldar are now feeling le...
I think it'd be funny if the bad news happened but now all souls go to cecoragh automatically and not everyone wants to be part of the clown posse so they still got issues
dense wharf
it is the thing of them finding their feet with a meta plot style that can work ...
its also just bad decisions in the writing structure of "a win here upends the galaxy"
You don't want every campaign or battle to be Cadia and bigger events
charred bridge
I mean the slaanesh thing in AoS iirc happened pretty much with the release of the setting
upper canopy
and stop letting Khaine's avatars be jobbers
This largely did get fixed ftr
dense wharf
True, could have been trying to mimic that
upper canopy
The last couple of appearances of the Avatar in novels have them kicking absurd amounts of ass
charred bridge
I don't think any setting reset for a setting that large would be perfect
rocky shale
Shout out to the AoK being the last unit in 40k with a true half damage effect
charred bridge
It did give them a fresh slate to build up to current AoS
rocky shale
Now that ctan lost theirs
bright dove
I will say that I did, in fact, quite like Slaanesh getting imprisoned over in AoS.
upper canopy
One was lost on a Tyranid controlled planet for a month and when the Eldar came back to reclaim its corpse it was still alive under an actual mountain of corpses thay it erupted out of like a volcano
dense wharf
Metal as hell, and needed
I think if they don't want to kill Slaneesh off, just allow the flow of Eldar to be fueling other gods because of the Yncarne's actions
bright dove
It's nice to knock the Gods of Chaos off their high horse in a setting that does, in fact, have other gods.
upper canopy
Another kills an entire task force of black Templar terminators
dense wharf
Slaneesh is still a threat, and GW gets to sell new Eldar minis on par w/ C'tan
rocky shale
Another kills an entire task force of black Templar terminators
Is this praxis?
charred bridge
I think the existence of other gods really helps a lot, AoS's god games is less obivious and overplayed when a like plot twist god scheme isnt automatically tzeench
dense wharf
Nah, praxis is throwing hands at the racist BT player, not beating them in the war game
charred bridge
And the existence of "good" gods existing that wont screw you over if you follow them is like, actually plays into the idea warp is a reflection and not plain evil
upper canopy
Its not praxis due to Black Templars being Imperial Fists and thus allowed to lose
dense wharf
also true
charred bridge
Like Hastur is an asshat but will treat you good if youre an absolute evil tyrant
dense wharf
like say what you will about the war of the beast trilogy
Dear god the fists are allowed to lose
bright dove
I also have a like of the Gods of Chaos having to be annoyed by TGHR
charred bridge
Ironically I think a lot of the writing in 40k is too small, despite the setting being larger cause almost every single book needs to involved the imperium and a chaos god
bright dove
Is this where I bring up Ciaphas Caine being better about this, even with older lore
rocky shale
If you don't have a primarch model you're allowed to take Ls
dense wharf
No no you're right
Ciaphas caine, Gaunt's ghosts are good examples of how smaller stakes work very well in 40k
charred bridge
Yea I do like inquisitor stuff where imperium is just awful and people are terrible. The Watcher in the dark was oddly good for that, the warp aspect was important but like it didnt do much. The awfulness was entirely human
dense wharf
Hell, Infinite and the Divine, despite ending in "Gang fights c'tan" is still another exammple of smaller stakes battles feeling more important
Its a single planet of a million worlds being fought over
charred bridge
There was no plot twist that was like "oh this entire thing was part of a plot by genestealers or a warp eneity"
Also shows the biggest killers in 40k is the administratum
bright dove
Funny enough, I do love the twist in Infinite and the Divine of genestealers.
And that all being Trazyn's fault.
charred bridge
It's not really an important plot twist, Trazyn just made a funny mistake
bright dove
Trazyn played a lil prank
dense wharf
TBF to the administratum, managing a million worlds in a galxy where space time is ltierally being blown apart by malevolent gods, and your best form of logistics is incredibly unreliable means they're doomed to failure, if your goal is perfect functionality
bright dove
Look even setting aside the warp
charred bridge
It's not really an important plot twist, Trazyn just made a funny mistake
Or rather to rephrase it, it was not a plot load bearing twist that the actors were genestealers
bright dove
They have a fucking awful task.
stark cypress
TBF to the administratum, managing a million worlds in a galxy where space time ...
"This isn't an Agri-world."
"...What."
"Gamma Rho-17? That's, that's a forge world."
"..."
"What was in that Corn, Lexus."
dense wharf
also the only people who can build the ships will declare you a heretic if you ask them to make the Vasa a meter wider so it doesn't sink when put to sea
Like... think about that
charred bridge
TBF to the administratum, managing a million worlds in a galxy where space time ...
Well Watcher in the Dark was about how a clerk has killed billions cause they're a sociopath that enjoys murder and knowing they singlehandedly have doomed countless planets and people by intentionally making clerical "mistakes"
dense wharf
Also true
Its the imperium, I have no doubt corruption runs rampant in the facists empire's ranks
But I'm more saying even on a good day the best the admin can hope for is "DMV with every employee taking laxatives"
charred bridge
Like with a dozen people like her out of the entire massive administratum like probably dwarves the kill count of most space marine chapters probably in their history
dense wharf
Oh absolutely
Like... there's a reason Bobby G (off screen)'s first major act is killing half the high lords
he knows the power of microsoft excel
dense wharf
TBH accountability would be a second beheading
like... they let things get this bad
Only reason Bobby probably doesn't do it is knowing even he doesn't have the political capital to spend
charred bridge
Horror to those in the administratum
Someone wanting to reform the administratum and holding people accountable
dense wharf
Yeah
and even the reformist Bobby G is still a facist
Or at least, still fine with xenos genocide, man has not really considered the issues of human supremacy and how the expansionist nature of empire meant they were doomed from the start
stark cypress
Oh yeah, the Administratum fucks up constantly.
charred bridge
Emperor says we're winning trust
stark cypress
Oh yeah, the Administratum fucks up constantly.
For example, in the book 12 hours, a green guard regiment is sent to an Ork infested killzone because of a mistake. That was due to a single wrong letter in a planet designation.
And nobody wants to admit they fucked up.
bright dove
The Badab War, aka Holy Shit the Administratum Fucked This.
stark cypress
aka Horse Heresy Taxes edition.
charred bridge
That was explored in the Watcher series, yes this lady did choose to kill billions for fun, but she's not even the worst offender as many more are unintentionally killed by mistakes, sloppiness, or ego. Is the worst? (yes)
dense wharf
Yeah, it also doesn't help that most admin members are worked to the bone in 14+ hours shifts
there are very few computers to double check
oh and the penalty for failure is death
so good luck getting experienced workers
charred bridge
Yeah, it also doesn't help that most admin members are worked to the bone in 14+...
Thats what the augmentics are for
dense wharf
everyone at the top is just the people who learned to lie their asses off
charred bridge
You get a servo skull caffiene IV pump or something
stark cypress
so good luck getting experienced workers
Oh don't you know, Tecatin. The human spirit is better than machines. /s
dense wharf
because everyone else is probably dead
stark cypress
Oh don't you know, Tecatin. The human spirit is better than machines. /s
The Imperium survives in spite of itself.
Hell, Cadia getting blown up should've made everything collapsed.
But then Robute got woken up.
dense wharf
The imperium survives in the sense that it takes a tick a long time to kill a bear
even if the bear is sick
charred bridge
there are very few computers to double check
Well they do have the have the equivalent of servers, but everything is done by servo skull physically getting records and the autoscriber writing it onto vellum then getting back to you.
And the servo skull may or may not malfunction and get you the wrong thing or just not come back
sour sequoia
Nastyman wip
I may have picked up like 1500pts of chaos bundles for some 75 bucks so I guess I play chaos marines now
tranquil ivy
WIP hellblaster Lieutenant
(Plasma Pistol + Power Fist)
yes that is a terminator power fist, i thought it looked cool
dense wharf
... Local twink kills cougars
finite compass
oh and the penalty for failure is death
Chen Sheng situation
There was actually a Dark Heresy antagonist in one of the books that was like this
Not really a Heretic or Chaos Tainted
But he was a Planetary Governor, and the Administratum randomly decided to jack up his planet's tithe grade
So his options became
"We continue as we are and fail the tithe, at which point the Imperium makes an example of the planet"
or
"We try to meet the tithe, the industry destroys our planet's biosphere, and in all likelihood we still fail at which point the Imperium makes an example of the planet"
So he decides to rebel
pseudo shuttle
this may be a niche question but
does anyone here have experience making their own custom transfers?
sour sequoia
this may be a niche question but
does anyone here have experience making their o...
The secret is its temporary tattoos
If you find anybody who can print onto that, you’re good to go
pulsar cairn
Nastyman wip
What makes him Nasty? is it chaos?
or maybe he doesnt wash his hands after using the bathroom?
little bay
https://i.imgur.com/RUeRAY8.png
very nice
pastel rampart
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Watson_(author) Well shit, Ian Watson died.
soft willow
RIP the legend.
pastel rampart
Wouldn't have a lot of 40k lore without him.
soft willow
A lot of the stuff that they're fleshing out in the heresy and the current books now was started by him.
floral herald
Aw man
jaunty dawn
I was surprised how few bl novels specifically he wrote but yeah damn
Just an undercurrent to the whole franchise
soft willow
80ish is a good run though, so cheers to him for making 40k weirder for us along the way.
pastel rampart
Wish it was easier/cheaper to get physical copies of his 40k novels.
soft willow
Yeah, kicking myself now for having purged a bunch a few moves ago, but so it goes.
wide veldt
I was surprised how few bl novels specifically he wrote but yeah damn
I couldnt stop reading this as boys love
jaunty dawn
I didnt not notice that before I typed it but i didnt do anyhting to avoid it
wide veldt
Lol
pseudo shuttle
The secret is its temporary tattoos
is it that much of a speciality thing to print?
pseudo shuttle
😔
thats inconvenient
wait are inkjet printers uncommon?
i didnt even think about that part
sour sequoia
No. Its pretty normal stuff
You go to any art supply store or printing shop they should be able to help you in like 5 minutes
mental birch
Only thing you have to keep in mind is you cant do wjite transfers
soft willow
I don't like the printable transfers because you tend to get printer dot artifacts in the transfer. That said you can always paint over the transfer once it's on in a color in the lines sorta way.
mental birch
oh you cant?
Well you can but its a pain finding white ink
pseudo shuttle
Well you can but its a pain finding white ink
suddenly i feel a great empathy for raptors players
junior robin
upper bluff
I continue to be amazed by that model
pastel rampart
thin ibex
macrodosing
soft willow
makkrodosin' for those who prefer the original orkish.
charred bridge
What if Cegorach succeeeded in killing Slaanesh and a new chaos god immediately takes his place thats best-rat like in age of gold-manthing yes-yes
main pagoda
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/596197650332778498/1493722318772375723/im...
It's a good time to be green
Or maybe not
finite compass
What if Cegorach succeeeded in killing Slaanesh and a new chaos god immediately ...
Malal Sweep
charred bridge
First the Aeldari were so messed up they made Slaanesh and now they messed up and made Malal canon again
pulsar cairn
did they actually?
little bay
it was a macrodose
sour sequoia
Good look @ new combat phase resolution stuff
Its actually looser than AoS is now! You can move around inside engagement in your move phase, engagement is 2” and charges require base to base still unless literally impossible
Combat activation initiative is identical to AOS as well
vital barn
oh good, target after roll, I always liked that from 7e/HH
floral herald
These seem like good changes
rocky shale
Screening is a lot harder now I think
At least against fast stuff
Slow stuff it may be easier
upper canopy
Well I do think engagement range being 2 inches makes it easier and harder?
soft willow
Nope, just easier as you can move through engagement range as long as you don't end in it without charging.
sour sequoia
You’ll have to do it differently and treat it more like 6” consolidates
rocky shale
Another key change is ingress moves – which cover all types of special deployment like Deep Strike and other ways of moving in from Strategic Reserve – allow you to set up more than 8” away from enemy models, rather than the current 9”. This means that you still need to roll a 9 to successfully charge out of Deep Strike, but now your potential landing zones are larger, and you have much more flexibility to move your models around when the dice gods are kind.*
Fuegan makes fire dragons have 18" range and 9" melta range btw
sour sequoia
Another key change is ingress moves – which cover all types of special deploymen...
They’re gonna keep demolition charges at 8” and I’m gonna fucking cry so much.
upper canopy
does voting for a side dictate who will win
rocky shale
Unfortunately unless they also change the wording for unshrouded truth to be 8" instead of 9" then the only way to deep strike a fire dragon will be out of a falcon
sour sequoia
I think the nasty stuff is gonna be easier terminator/thunderkyn/crisis suits/hearthguard/assorted daemons units
Do obliterators have deepstrike
Maybe eradicators in that one bad marines detach
Oh god actually exp. cadre melta suits will go hard
paper bluff
https://ow.ly/SNRo50YJWq7
What does it mean for custodes?
sour sequoia
The same it does for everybody else?
They aint got fight twice or anything like AoS so I dont see anything suuuper funky coming up. Reduced deepstrike radius is beneficial, easier to fit em for a 9 bomb
tired cairn
Is this the first time Warhammer has used the traditional wargame numbering system for rules?
floral herald
Traditional wargame numbering system?
tired cairn
XX.YY
rocky shale
I don't think section numbers are a wargame thing
tired cairn
It's not just a wargame thing. But it's a very common wargame thing (particularly for WWII games at least)
Some of them get a bit silly and have like 3 layers of it lol
If I'm reading this right, you measure units you can charge with a straight line, but then move them as normal. So you have an extra 2" of distance to get around corners?
Which is mildly weird
Crucially, you can fight any enemy within engagement range (2”), which means there’s no more of that “I’m going to stand 1” away from the wall” malarkey.
I guess it's basically impossible to pull this trick with a 2" gap?
upper canopy
I think the thing is you now have to either get cover or get the charge defense
you can't get both
sour sequoia
If you play tourney stuff at all, this is WTC charging rules instead of default charging rules
Just streamlined to universal instead of really unhinged 10 page FAQs for a single phase
tired cairn
Wait. Really? That seems like a wild change for a tournament to do
sour sequoia
The WTC/GW split is a little bit unhinged but also honestly having played both it makes a lot of sense once you see it in action
tired cairn
I think the thing is you now have to either get cover or get the charge defense
I don't follow for how that's the case?
sour sequoia
Inch-blocking gets obscene
And only really occurs cuz of the beveled edges of GW bases and the physicality of terrain versus the rules
tired cairn
Do you mean all the changes in the article or specifically the engagement distance stuff?
tired cairn
Ok. That makes more sense, ha
sour sequoia
This lets you fight through walls on terrain without really fucking bizarre counterintuitive interactions. Thats really what it boils out to
tired cairn
Yeah, there have been a bunch of different ways to handle it in the past because it is a bit tricky with the abstraction colliding with the physical reality of the game
you can still 2" block big melee units IG, but that's not as big of a deal. And probably less likely with how they placed walls in the new terrain setups for larger buildings I think
I wonder if they got rid of the extra vertical distance for engagement range 🤔
tired cairn
A funny outcome of this is that since you have to end your regular move outside of engagement range (2"), you can't guarantee a charge as a roll of 2 will always fail now
mild glen
Question for anyone here who has built a Stormsurge before (feel to ping me the answer)
How posable is it?
Could I, for example, have one foot on top of a destroyed Rhino?
runic swallow
I think that’s one of the “pin and socket, but pin can be trimmed to make it ball and socket” kits?
But they could have changed it since I saw someone build it or I could be mixing it up with a different Tau kit
pale narwhal
Having its foot up on a ruined vehicle is a very common pose for em, I believe it’s what hellbrute said. Same release wave as ghostkeel which had the same, too
runic swallow
Which is the one with the open-ish cockpit, I know the ghostkeel was the big stealth one
Also, why did they change the “poster art” tau from orange to white in that era?
Like, it’s also a good look, but was a bit surprising to see them change it since GW usual keeps the “poster” colors consistent
thin ibex
you know, ive been crusading with the tau nar as kind of a "well i wouldn't bring it under any other circumstance" way, and its been doing work for me
is it doing 740 points of work? im not so sure, but pretty much nothing survives the rail cannon array
one other crusader member brought a thunderhawk and i just dropped it out of the sky
valid brook
Also, why did they change the “poster art” tau from orange to white in that era?
The vomit brown look never completely went away but the second Tau codex (late 4th? or early 5th) had Sa’cea in space wolves grey featured at least as prominently.
The first white look I remember was for Cities of Death, similar timeframe
runic swallow
Damn guess you weren’t a fan of that color lol
valid brook
I mean that’s literally what the Citadel color was called
I assume they’ve changed the names since, it’s been a long time since I looked at Citadel paints
floral herald
Also, why did they change the “poster art” tau from orange to white in that era?
I'm not sure but there was a major range refresh when they did
It was during the era I didn't play in though so I'm really not sure haha
valid brook
Yeah I think that was their third codex?
Plastic pathfinders, new crisis suits, updated firewarrior sprue
floral herald
jeez it was only the 3rd
I say because it was also 7th edition
By Damien_V_Grimm
jaunty dawn
Apparently the change from tau to vior'la was because an eavy metal painter had a personal army in that scheme that everyone loved and when the range refresh happened they convinced marketing to change the box art scheme
little bay
By Damien_V_Grimm
ah that's fun
little bay
By Damien_V_Grimm
i just noticed the shoe on sanguinius
main pagoda
Apparently the change from tau to vior'la was because an eavy metal painter had ...
Tbh as much as I like the ochre look the white just looks so much crisper
pastel rampart
Reddit
marsh tree
dude, you need to base your models
sour sequoia
I say because it was also 7th edition
7th ed being the edition they finally allowed xenos to be good (and really just finally updating em after like ten year old codexes and 3 editions) was hilarious, people went insane
Tau and then Eldar were the kings for a while after that but genuinely it was half an effect of “people were just not used to something besides marines or guard being contenders”
mental birch
Tau were fine
main pagoda
thats looking at 7th through very halcyon lenses
it was an horrific edition, it didn't make xenos good it made certain combos completely brainless win strats while the vast majority of the codex was eh
sour sequoia
thats looking at 7th through very halcyon lenses
Oh 7th sucked for a lot of reasons! I was there the whole time do not take this as me wanting a return to 7th lol
But when so many factions you’d regard as core to the setting were 3 editions out of date and people thought that was the intended order of the world, tau suddenly having Genuinely Good Shooting even on basics, not the wacky triple flier riptide spam thing, lotta players freaked out
junior robin
tired cairn
I like how you can now drive closer so she can hit them with her sword
junior robin
after plowing them down first.
pastel rampart
Looks to be half again as long as a chimera and about as wide.
jaunty dawn
I mean also like how many can fit in side the aura and in real terrain conditions, but yeah
oh the embarking rule for centaurs is fun!
pastel rampart
Yeah, like I think you could fit...I'unno, 6? chimera-sized vehicles within the aura. It doesn't say "fully within" so you could kinda kiddy-corner them, though it'd be funky.
I think in realistic conditions 2-3 transports.
junior robin
I think you could go with 8 if you place them in a strategic flower pedal formation around it
pastel rampart
Somewhat like the action shot above, hmmm 
jaunty dawn
I think you could go with 8 if you place them in a strategic flower pedal format...
thinking about that one ultramarine player who in 8th edition (peak aura ville) came up with a narrative formation for optimal castling
junior robin
oh what if you make your map highway themed and then you can fit transports on elevated roads above him
jaunty dawn
Full clover
pastel rampart
I've actually been thinking of how I'd build out a highway for a board.
jaunty dawn
Wait whats the deal with her crew weapon being enforcer crew
pastel rampart
Friend and I are doing an orks vs steel legion kinda thing and obviously we want to do terrain and their orks are very like...biker/50s greaser themed (with a heavy doze of ZZZ aesthetics) and part of that is doing a desert wasteland board.
Ground highway strip is easy, but elevated? That's more challenging.
vital barn
7th ed being the edition they finally allowed xenos to be good (and really just ...
Eldar have been good pretty regularly and in 7th both Orks and Nids were so horrifically pathetic you had to give them quite a few extra points even in casual games to make things remotely fair, I feel this was mostly a Tau moment.
floral herald
Eldar were also The Guys for a fair amount of earlier 40K
Everyone plays space marines and then the eldar win
jaunty dawn
Eldar are good very often yeah
main pagoda
theres a point every edition where eldar just go off balance wise
thin ibex
interesting that the centaur is like an ork trukk kinda
just a mechanized guard list where no one gets out
sour sequoia
Again, Eldar were not updated between 4th and 7th
Same as Tau
That is 100% the long dark winter of Space Marine McFucksville, now with Grey Knights Super Special Turbo Marines
Both kinds of eldar, tau, a few others like tyranids were on 8-10 year old codexes and expected to just deal, especially thru the entire era where they said “units can only shoot flying models on 6s unless they have the Skyfire tag (a rule never printed prior to 6th)”
“Anyways the first of three Heldrakes is going to immediately autohit instant death 25 models because of flying beast rules”
thin ibex
pretty sure that era is why every xenos player is kinda just not expecting updates and it makes the updates we get feel like treats
pastel rampart
Again, Eldar were not updated between 4th and 7th
They had a 6th ed book.
They didn't have a 5th ed book which is an outlier for Eldar, but 5th was weird and kinda cursed.
Tau, same deal. No 5th, but had a 4th and 6th.
floral herald
Dark Eldar also had a 5e book which was part of the curse
jaunty dawn
A lot of the 7e codexes were like nerfs too
sour sequoia
^^^^
jaunty dawn
Which if your existing codex was good was annoying but if it was kicking you while down you just cried forever
sour sequoia
God how long did the sisters of battle printoff index last for
pastel rampart
Then an actual book in 8th.
pulsar cairn
https://www.reddit.com/r/orks/comments/1sml9xb/youre_a_guardsman_1st_day_on_the_...
i wonder what pink would do for them
runic swallow
Apparently the change from tau to vior'la was because an eavy metal painter had ...
I didn’t know that, that’s kinda cool
jaunty dawn
Which I guess is also more generally responsible for that being the default vior'la scheme
As opposed to a muted green type thing
reef pagoda
im CRAVING a chaos knight i want to paint up house devine slaaneshies
sour sequoia
The humble wyches/incubi/hand of the archon
mental birch
The humble wyches/incubi/hand of the archon
Shit yeah need to be 28
sour sequoia
Really its only eldar with 28mm bases that will Fuck Your Entire Shit
GSC has neos but screening the move is not the issue
mental birch
Also now moveblock is diffrent
Its now how i moveblock knights but applied to the whole game
floral herald
I just don’t understand why the EC defiler doesn’t get a real sweep profile it’s such a baffling nerf
soft willow
Just roll a 63 on a 6 sided die.
pastel rampart
Used to be a 67, sad they nerfed our boy 😔
desert jay
Woulding 67+ -> 63+ be a buff?
tired cairn
Not to a Slanaash worshipper that is all about excess(ively high WS values)
desert jay
By that logic it should be 69+
tired cairn
That it isn't is the real insult
soft willow
The defiler just isn’t trying hard enough to get those numbers up.
jaunty dawn
69 and 67 aren't copyrightable, you know gw
rocky shale
tired cairn
I agree with Poorhammer's annoyance that GW made a really cool horse and then said lorewise there is basically no more of them
rocky shale
But have you considered lascannon sniper rifle
soft willow
And army wide re-rolls for Imperial Agents?
I am very excited for Kroyle shenanigans in an IA list.
broken dew
I agree with Poorhammer's annoyance that GW made a really cool horse and then sa...
it's really fucking funny lore
but it's also needlessly restrictive
rocky shale
In imperialis fleet a squad of breachers can now get +1 to hit, reroll hits, and reroll wounds
tired cairn
Putting the Oath of Moment on the single shot (maybe 3 shots if you are really close) weapon is a bit cruel lol
tired cairn
it's really fucking funny lore
Oh? I don't know the details
rocky shale
Putting the Oath of Moment on the single shot (maybe 3 shots if you are really c...
Command reroll let's gooo
soft willow
In imperialis fleet a squad of breachers can now get +1 to hit, reroll hits, and...
This on the Breacher/Rogue Trader boat is really funny. Or on Breacher/Draxis.
floral herald
Maybe more with reaction fire?
soft willow
Functionally 14.
Reaction fire won't work with how the rule is written, it specifies your shooting phase.
floral herald
Ah ok
soft willow
You won't reach 16 until after shooting in turn 5 so it's 6/8/10/12/14 assuming you get a shot off every turn.
Which is unlikely tbf.
tired cairn
Anti-monster 2+ is very weird on a single shot 2 damage weapon
soft willow
I mean it gets up to 6 damage after a couple shots, and that's when it's spooky.
tired cairn
(I generally hate weapons that are only anti-monster or only anti-vehicle)
rocky shale
This on the Breacher/Rogue Trader boat is really funny. Or on Breacher/Draxis.
On draxus it rips
tired cairn
Oh, I missed that damage went up too
RIP Tyranids
Why doesn't he simply put the good toxins in for the first shots?
floral herald
I think it’s like scanning targets and adapting them?
broken dew
Oh? I don't know the details
i'm not sure there's more to it than him wanting a unique xeno mount but i just find that concept extremely funny
pseudo shuttle
i have acquired the paints i need
set me back like 50 quid but thats fair for the amount of paint i bought
tired cairn
i'm not sure there's more to it than him wanting a unique xeno mount but i just ...
Clearly they need a lore update where some drukhari archon cloned a bunch of them just to annoy Kroyle
broken dew
yeah
pastel rampart
runic swallow
I always loved how evocative just the name Techno-Barbarians is for the setting
upper bluff
I love it because techno barbarians could already describe like 3 factions so it's like what made them different?
tired cairn
"but we don't sound like we are saying 'bar bar bar'" - those three factions, probably
pulsar cairn
you could probably make a game out of tech-barbarian factions
wide veldt
Maybe one of them worships like
Some kinda corpse that used to be their god king
And the other worships ruinous demons representing humanities worst impulses
And maybe theres some other guys who are neither but who cares about them
mental birch
Rowboat jonesey
desert jay
I agree with Poorhammer's annoyance that GW made a really cool horse and then sa...
They really saw people making Guard OCs and putting them on Lord Solar's horse for a counts-as Lord Solar and went "no one of that"
tranquil ivy
WE ARE SO BACK
tranquil ivy
boutta have a game of 40k :3
mental birch
Nicee
tranquil ivy
good idea
tired cairn
This is pretty good lmao
broken dew
the lace really pulls it together ngl
pastel rampart
I'm reminded now that fancy doilies in that pattern can work well as frames for stained glass windows when you're making like, a church or whatever for terrain.
pulsar holly
The lack of Kin leagues in here is criminal 
soft willow
Better?
pulsar holly
Better
mild glen
The lack of Kin leagues in here is criminal <:NAWWWH:804580813852508180>
Look, I love the kin. I have a limited budget and one shooting army already
junior robin
they will get my money when the ironkin gets something big.
grim mango
pastel rampart
Snake an LED in there and see what's up
junior robin
finally, Dayremover
pulsar holly
they will get my money when the ironkin gets something big.
Tbf just about any kin you see with visors is possibly an Ironkin too, and they did get the big suits recently.
junior robin
thinking more in the dreadnought to armiger scale.
soft willow
It was a different era.
pastel rampart
A simpler time, really.
bright dove
Still really clean paintjobs.
pastel rampart
Oh definitely, but what we consider a very achievable paintjob nowadays was slayer sword-winning material in 1999.
Very different standards now, where the top 3 GD winners in any category are almost indistinquishable in their polish.
stark cypress
90's GD is the tabletop standard of today.
mild glen
I look at 90s Golden Demon and see something doable.
I look at contemporary Golden Demon and want to dunk my head in acid.
pastel rampart
stark cypress
I look at 90s Golden Demon and see something doable.
I look at contemporary Gold...
Yeah, GD of today is like "I went to and was trained by art school" levels of work.
pastel rampart
2002 winner is still a step above for most people, I think.
bright dove
http://puu.sh/KLL0j/f105911ba9.jpg
Jesus christ
runic swallow
It's kinda funny looking back at old GD winners.
Hey, if nothing else it both shows how the overall field of mini painting has progressed but also can make you feel good about your own painting if you’re feeling you aren’t “good”
pastel rampart
Pretty much!
Like that 1999 winner is something I could pump out in an afternoon or two.
runic swallow
It’s so funny to see the guy on the far left with FIST across his chest though
broken dew
lmao
pastel rampart
crimson solar
http://puu.sh/KLL0j/f105911ba9.jpg
honestly why go for any other competition than the one where you get a sword
pulsar cairn
btw
is it easier for codex compliant chapters to work together?
i mean like
does the codex have sections on operating with different chapters?
broken dew
i think most chapter co-operation tends to break down regarding chapter secrets and attitudes
main pagoda
well they would certainly be able to co-operate easier but a SM chapter is an SM chapter at the end of the day co-operation is basically a headbutting competition
broken dew
like if you're the Mortifactors chapter
and you get sent to reinforce The Lamenters
you might go "fuck these guys, they're cursed" and leave
upper canopy
It is generally easier for codex chapters to understand force compositions though yes
main pagoda
Id just look at Armageddon for how it works and doesnt work
upper canopy
You hear a 5th company is coming you know generally what they are gonna do
broken dew
or if you're a Dark Angel and you get a whiff of a Fallen
you might just dip entirely with no explabation
broken dew
It is generally easier for codex chapters to understand force compositions thoug...
but yeah this is true
lotta difference between bekng reinforced by say
a codex compliant 5th company
upper canopy
The ultramarines or the space wolves
broken dew
or a Space Wolves great company
pr whatever their combat groups are called
The Space Wolves iirc have a lot of splintering in their organisation since they basically section off into companies and kinda don't take new recruits?
so one of theirs might be a normal company size or it might be like 5 older marines and a dread or smthn
pastel rampart
It's also generally going to depend on their parent chapter too.
Codex compliant chapters who share Ultramarine geneseed are going to probably work together just fine. Same with SW and DA, for the most part.
broken dew
that too
the way i see it co-operation would usually work or not work more on social aspects than organisational ones
pastel rampart
Yeah. As mentioned, Armageddon is a good example of multiple different chapters working together, some of whom are very much not codex compliant.
broken dew
like with the Mortifactors and The Lamenters, if you get teamed up with the wrong guys they could just leave you for dead
conversely you could be an ultramarine working with ultramarine successors
greatest of them all team up
floral herald
http://puu.sh/KLKY1/52c981dba6.jpg
That freehanded FIST is inspiring
finite compass
Like
This is a Gold Winner
Admittedly the back banners are impressive and I'd royally fuck them up
But yeah compared to like
thin ibex
Tbh i still couldn't do the first, but the second one is miles more technically apt
soft willow
Different times back then, a lot of the people doing painting contests now are painters first and only, and not players who painted well.
pale narwhal
Paints, brushes, and tech has also advanced considerably in the last 20 years
runic swallow
And knowledge has been spread a lot wider and more accessibly
pastel rampart
Different times back then, a lot of the people doing painting contests now are p...
And y'know what, I think that'd been my problem with GD over the past 10-15 years. It all feels like display pieces rather than centerpiece models for an army.
pastel rampart
Gettin' my ruins on.
The base board for both warped thanks to too much glue and this paper mache mix a friend gave me, so I had to strap them down with rubber bands on top of cookie sheets and slapped with some thinned-down layers of mod podge. Which worked out shockingly well, it straightened them out.
little bay
very nice
also good news
i have warhammer total war 3 now
it is downloading
and the tides of torment dlcs
past sphinx
in a slightly of the moment i bought the new knight kit
VERY posable
everything is on cutable tabs
its basically a giant armiger
i suspect it will find its way into a lot of casual armies
soft willow
Honestly for a hot minute I thought they had sent me an Armiger sprue looking at the size of the sides.
past sphinx
yeah the torso is weirdly tiny on the panel
soft willow
I think it'll have competitive legs at it's current cost.
Both it and the new Defiler are wildly cool and posable kits though.
past sphinx
its gonna be my new baseline kit for recommending people who want to try knights
not a big fan of the carapace set up as it cant be simply removed
and its loaded doesnt really inspire taking more than 1
soft willow
I need to get it on the table before I make any calls, but I think it's got several solid loadout options.
tired cairn
I wouldn't be surprised if they use it as a chassis they add weapon options to in the feature. Which they have done for the other Knight chassis
soft willow
I mean likely just on it being easier to add a small sprue rather than a whole new set.
past sphinx
i really think for me its just that the giant frag cannon isnt a frag cannon!
its hald a frag cannon!
half
wheres my knight sized shotgun GW
WE EXPLODE THE GRENADE INSIDE THE BARREL
its a 40k flak cannon!
floral herald
Assault 2 template is whack lol
brittle salmon
DW is currently a really strong marine army
They're a niche but serious contender
floral herald
I mean, the above is just Sternguard with a funky special weapon
I’ve forgotten what people usually have sternvets back then though
main pagoda
I mean, the above is just Sternguard with a funky special weapon
Yeah but what set them apart was that everyone kinda did their own thing in the squad
Idk maybe it's just me but they felt really unique when they released
mild glen
Okay. I have this Stormsurge all ready to be primed. Just counted fifteen subassemblies.
jaunty dawn
I liked the iteration where each dw guy gave you a different special rule
To make up for having a very silly inconsistent loadout
Like bringing the bike gave you fall back and charge or something
pastel rampart
pseudo shuttle
It's finally assembly day
pulsar cairn
u gonna use that torso?
pseudo shuttle
I am!
mental birch
quaint compass
Teched up priest
mental birch
Myrmidax Secutor
pine matrix
Obviously the three main Ordos have their own "chamber militants" for dealing with their focus, but I'm wondering if any of the lesser Ordos have them. Specifically I was thinking about the Ordo Astartes, what a military force focused on fighting Marines specifically would look like (other than discount Alpha Legion)
jaunty dawn
Minotaurs?
main pagoda
they fall under the high lords dunno if they would work for an ordo in particular
jaunty dawn
Also I think this is kinda why the chambers militant lore is de-emphasised cause while its still a thing theyre very independent organisations with their own deals going on
But like even tho minotaurs are high lords stuff they were literally brought in by an insquisitor for badab war which is like the prototypical ordo astartes type conflict
Idk if thy were actually involved just cause theyre kinda niche mainly
mental birch
pine matrix
Idk if thy were actually involved just cause theyre kinda niche mainly
Yeah, I did consider the Minotaurs but yeah they do seem like the Imperium's pet asskicker of marines
But I guess it makes sense the SoB, GK and DW are off doing their own things when they're not getting called up by Inquisitors
pine matrix
Iron Warriors suffering is eternal
"Hi welcome to the legion, your father hates you by default and theres nothing you can do about it, but you are genetically primed to seek his approval :) now go conquer the galaxy!" see also World Eaters
jaunty dawn
Peter turbo just wants to make an infinitely large house where all his friends (that he hates) can live together
jaunty dawn
😢
upper bluff
What do you mean you lost the baby go find it
pine matrix
Is the Honsou series any good?
floral herald
This is cool
pine matrix
That's sick
He's literally radioactively toxic
I looooove the image of him being difficult to see due to everything fucking boiling and melting in his presence
pastel rampart
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/y3qjzfux/new40k-chaplain-with-jump-pack-revealed/
jaunty dawn
I dont like the greaves trim they’ve started doing
Or started doing again technically i think
main pagoda
Is the Honsou series any good?
yes its very good
deft crest
charred bridge
This is cool
So Perty has aura and it kills you
broken dew
bro got those stink lines
charred bridge
That's morty, Perty has the deadly rancid vibes
But rancid as in twitter comments, not rancid as in commenter someone who hasn't showered in a business week
broken dew
that's fair
spice flicker
Tempted to take some Tyranids to play colosseum and was curious which direction would you guys suggest: Unending Swarm, Warrior Bioforms, or crusher stampede?
rocky shale
Not crusher stampede
soft willow
Swarm them.
spice flicker
My initial ideas
soft willow
I like the 45 gaunt list.
Boy that's a lot of stuff, plus the biovore and a couple of heavy enough hitters seems solid.
spice flicker
Wish I could fit in a screamer killer or hive guard though for some anti-armor
Or even some venomthropes to make the swarms more durable
pine matrix
That's surprising, I thought it'd be a bit intense rules wise