UMs are also just relatively simple with the all blue body
#Warhammer and Such
floral herald
pseudo shuttle
you're probabbly right
i dont wana overcrowd the colour palette
i've already given myself enough work by choosing to paint white armour
floral herald
Blood Angels for example have contrasting red lenses on red armor but they’re also just like
All red
So the green pinpricks make a strong contrast to the otherwise oops all red and yellow look
floral herald
i've already given myself enough work by choosing to paint white armour
It’s not that bad anymore
Just make sure it’s sort of an off white light gray
Actual white should be reserved for highlights
pseudo shuttle
oh yeah my plan is to just do a white scar spray and then a like
light grey wash
floral herald
I don’t recommend washes for whites, they often look “dirty” because of how they dry
sour sequoia
You’re gonna go to the store and pick up AP brigade grey and then you’ll edge highlight white and recess shade with dreadful visage or apothecary grey
Done
pseudo shuttle
you think im brave enough to edge highlight on my first minis?
floral herald
I’d use any primer (grey is prolly best) and use one of those bone colored basecoat paints under a light cold grey for the main color
Then you can manually highlight with white or use a wash
sour sequoia
you think im brave enough to *edge highlight* on my first minis?
I do!
floral herald
You’re gonna go to the store and pick up AP brigade grey and then you’ll edge hi...
Yeah this is a better written version haha
Edge highlighting is a simple to learn and endlessly rewarding technique
pseudo shuttle
you have
severely overestimaetd my bravery
sour sequoia
I have correctly estimated it. You are stronger than u know. Paint da fuckin highlights before you’re ready or you’ll psych yourself outta it
floral herald
You legit just need to deload the brush and use the side of it with some care
sour sequoia
Drybrush it with a proper round makeup brush or a makeup sponge and highlighting is also v easy
floral herald
It’s not that hard to learn and it’s not something like wet blending or NMM which takes a ton of technique
pastel rampart
If you have trouble doing edge highlights with a brush here's a HOT TIP: use colored pencils.
floral herald
(How hard these are is also overstated but they’re def harder than edge highlighting)
sour sequoia
Slim with the steel chair of boomer painting knowledge bless
pastel rampart
pseudo shuttle
this has escalated far beyond the
prime white and use one wash, guide i was planning to follow
tired cairn
Edge highlighting more takes awhile and less is difficult
floral herald
I play chaos space marines so
tired cairn
lmao
floral herald
I think im just used to it haha
sour sequoia
this has escalated far beyond the
prime white and use one wash, guide i was plan...
Washes are gonna be bad for white because they’re crazy concentrated and will look messy/coffee stains if you dont dilute proper, white is bad for white basecoats because you can’t highlight it at all and it’ll flatten models.
floral herald
I like to edge highlight my gold trim with a tiny bit of silver to make it look burnished
pseudo shuttle
like, this doesnt look like, "dirty" to me
floral herald
Getting it looking that clean is not as easy as it looks (like the right greave which is a little dirty)
sour sequoia
What I gave you are very very mild contrast paints to put in the recesses and cool the shadows, they’ll spread easier/more consistent shading instead of coffee staining on smooth surfaces. brigade gray is juuuust a shade or two cooler and grayer than white. If all you got is GW paints use like, ulthuan gray.
pseudo shuttle
there go my plans of trying to have a simple guide 😔
floral herald
It’s still pretty simple don’t worry
sour sequoia
like, this doesnt look like, "dirty" to me
This model def has a lot of cleanup or someone very skilled applying.
floral herald
Basecoat highlight shade is one of the standard templates
floral herald
This model def has a lot of cleanup or someone very skilled applying.
Yeah I’ve tried doing that to pick out the skull faces for reivers and I sucked at it lol
pseudo shuttle
This model def has a lot of cleanup or someone very skilled applying.
the guide is just, white scar spray prime, then soulblight grey and then using a dry brush to suck up/move around any pooling paint
floral herald
It’s not as easy as it looks for sure
pseudo shuttle
it looks far easier for me personally than edge highlighting
for one i dont have to worry about say like
messing up an edge highlight and now the whole helmet has a white smear x3
floral herald
I think you’re overestimating the difficulty of edge highlighting
It’s just genuinely not that hard
You may also be underestimating the difficulty of getting a wash only where you want it
It’s easy when precisely washing a model to have an overloaded brush without noticing and accidentally put way too much on
pseudo shuttle
i've never had the best, presure control? i guess you could call it in my hands
small gentle movements have always been a pain x3
floral herald
(I usually did this when painting orks so the resulting grease stain look was basically fine)
Hands can be taught
pseudo shuttle
so like, holding a super thin brush and making the teensiest little move to make sure i only catch the edge
sounds nightmarish
floral herald
It’s not that bad the “trick” is basically doing it so only the right motions can happen
Basically holding things at the right angles
It’s hard to explain but easy to see visually
Wait a second this guy’s an Ork lieutenant!
GW you rascals
pseudo shuttle
hmm
so wash, not the way to go
time to find another guide
why are literally all of these guides just the wash method
little bay
nice joytoy
pseudo shuttle
You’re gonna go to the store and pick up AP brigade grey and then you’ll edge hi...
so, spray white
buy this or similar shade of grey, and edge highlight with said grey, then use one of those 2 shades to shadowed/darker areas?
sour sequoia
Yeah. Def do the drybrush trick you were sayin to soak exposed stuff.
pseudo shuttle
can i ask a dumb question
sour sequoia
There are dumb questions but I doubt this will be one, go off
If it gets you painting thats a dub
pseudo shuttle
how do you like
base something , without spraying it
because obv 90% of the armour is white
but there are big sections that are black
so obv like, i cant spray just those areas black that'd be impossible
pseudo shuttle
using im assuming like
an abbadon black?
sour sequoia
The long and short of it is you’re gonna fuck up, its gonna be imperfect, you’ll get better faster than you’d ever expect if you actually experiment
pseudo shuttle
oh trust me you should see my actual first attempt from a few years back
sour sequoia
using im assuming like
an abbadon black?
For the same reason I wouldn’t use white, I wouldn’t use straight black
pseudo shuttle
my old EC were
not good
sour sequoia
Use like an Eshin grey level tone and a cooler wash, drakenhof is great
sour sequoia
When you ditch straight white and black as actual colors you can get a lot of good depth
sour sequoia
in hindsight i probabbly should have picked an easier colour scheme but
You should pick the color scheme that gets you painting.
You seem fired up abt this one. Do it, and stunt on the hoes who flake out of painting white ever
pseudo shuttle
i'll become all powerful
just not as powerful as those monsters who can paint a good yellow x3
honestly if theres one thing im a little scared of
its
how tf do i translate this scheme onto something that isnt a space marine/marine shaped
dreadnaught, thats the same shape loosely
can apply the same paint to the same areas
a rhino?
i have no idea
sour sequoia
just not as powerful as those monsters who can paint a good yellow x3
Basecoat in Skrag brown, that saturated kinda orange-brown fried food color, or in emperor’s children-level hot pink, then thin your yellow with medium instead of just water so it doesn’t break up pigments.
Simple as.
sour sequoia
Basecoat in Skrag brown, that saturated kinda orange-brown fried food color, or ...
This is black prime, one thin even layer of pink, then one thin even layer of averland yellow and some washes
pseudo shuttle
oough
AOS is another system im kinda interested in
i just have zero idea what i'd even make army wise for it
sour sequoia
dreadnaught, thats the same shape loosely
can apply the same paint to the same a...
Look up how other chapters do rhinos, they have pretty straightforward extruded/recesses areas of armor and are blank canvasses for heraldry
little bay
This is black prime, one thin even layer of pink, then one thin even layer of av...
hmmm yes good-great model
sour sequoia
Put racing stripes on the shitbox idk
pseudo shuttle
off the top of your head, do you know any good like
non single color chapters i can steal ideas from
only one i can think of is like
uh
is it crimson fists that are half blue half red?
sour sequoia
Successors, largely. White scars, salamanders, heresy era traitors have some dope shit
Novamarines, lamenters, astral lions, mantis warriors, dark krakens have fun ones
pseudo shuttle
ooh lamenters might be a fun one to look at
sour sequoia
The one rat fink ass rg chapter, phoenix something or other thats purple and yellow and all ace stormraven pilots
pseudo shuttle
yknow im not surprised this is the first image result on google
sour sequoia
Red Corsairs too tbh
Its a basic scheme but it relies on alternating blocks of color/trim
pseudo shuttle
yknow i've not actually heard of the astral lions
sour sequoia
Howling Griffins?
pseudo shuttle
also nope
sour sequoia
Might be Gryphons.
pseudo shuttle
looking at google, the standard does just seem to be single colour vehicles
at least for like, rhinos
floral herald
is it crimson fists that are half blue half red?
Storm Lords
Wait whoops they’re red on white
Howling Griffons are red on blue quartered
Red on yellow wow I have very approximate memory today
Brazen Claws are the quartered red on blue
I knew it was one of my Deathwatch blorbos
pulsar cairn
unrelated question
when it comes to gene seed
which ones are the ones that have astartes who are more functional in non-combat roles?
i was thinking Ultramarines and Fists since both seem to be pretty good at organizing things in general
floral herald
I don’t think the geneseed really matters outside of like, blood angels eventually going into the black rage
pulsar cairn
so its more chapter culture?
floral herald
Chapter culture wise I think it’s the Ultramarines and Mentors near the top
floral herald
so its more chapter culture?
Yeah
floral herald
Like the Mortifactors are Ultramarines geneseed but they’re murder cultist freaks
floral herald
While the Mentors are also UM geneseed and actually specialize in cross-training mortal forces
pseudo shuttle
geneseed just does
whatever you need it to really
narratively not like, diegeticlly
pulsar cairn
i heard of the mentors before
i like them a lot
i think they are very creative cause like
having a space marine train people for combat fits really well
floral herald
Wow Fellgore Ravagers swept adepticon
sour sequoia
Got a connect for the new Defiler
I’m digging people freakin out abt the pricetag when its a goddamn superheavy
160mm base and that damn tall. Fucked up bruh
floral herald
Yea the model is huge
pastel rampart
I wonder how tall the new Defiler will be.
pastel rampart
Is there a way to zoom out on Minicompare?
tired cairn
Impressed it's not significantly larger than the previous iteration
runic swallow
Tbh the original is pretty big
floral herald
I think that’s a lot of it yeah haha
sour sequoia
The original is fucking absurd
floral herald
The old one is just also humongous
sour sequoia
It doesn’t parse until you see it
pastel rampart
The original is a WIDE boy but can fit on a 160mm round base.
sour sequoia
Shortstack monolith
floral herald
Lmao
pastel rampart
Just barely but y'know. It's like...6"x6" if you're trying to not stretch it out to a wild degree.
tired cairn
Tbh the original is pretty big
It's true, but GW seems to love upscaling things
broken dew
nice joytoy
thx, it's pretty neat
i saw it while i was getting TheInfinite and The Divine at the book store
main pagoda
ah my favourite old gay couple
paper bluff
We showing our jottoy now?
broken dew
oh hell yeah
Custodes
i'm a bit surprised at how much of this figure moves
the little blood angels talisman on the belt is individually articulated
as are all the pouches and the holster
paper bluff
I know it's not 1 to 1 but I like to think that Constantine is taller than an average custodian
paper bluff
i'm a bit surprised at how much of this figure moves
That's the thing! They're really nice figures. I get why some folks play kill team with them
broken dew
would have maybe liked an open hand to two hand the bolt rifle
i think you're supposed to have the other pistol holding hand grip it
but it does worry me a bit with plastic warping
so my lad is going to be going for the classic pistol and chainsword loadout
tired cairn
https://www.youtube.com/live/xJQCm1oCXyw?si=L8speI2jWY4Q6LxY
Still cheaper than an AdMech army
jaunty dawn
i need an opinion from somebody experienced in kitbashing 40k
What’s up?
pseudo shuttle
take a balistus dreadnaught
replace the lascannons with a thundercoil harpoon
feasible or not feasible?
floral herald
Knight and dreadnought shoulders are different sizes but a similar plan iirc
But it might look weird
The harpoon is huge
pseudo shuttle
mhm thats what im worried about
sour sequoia
feasible or not feasible?
The harpoon is twice the size of the dreadnought
You could see about scaling down an STL lookalike
Also if you’re buying a knight expressly for this, thats a $200 kitbash supply
pseudo shuttle
yeah i was wondering about the size diffrence
floral herald
The harpoon looks bulky on a heavy knight
soft willow
The harpoon is as tall as a dreadnaught basically.
soft willow
I don't think it would work.
pseudo shuttle
it was just an idea anyway
soft willow
Let me see if I can get you a picture.
rocky shale
The harpoon joint is also on the top of the gun and the ballistus is on the side, so you'd have the whole thing tipped 90deg
soft willow
Rhino for scale:
floral herald
Oh yeah I forgot about the drop shoulders on knights
soft willow
pseudo shuttle
oh jesus yeah
floral herald
Oh wow that is big
tired cairn
I wish the model was more viable in game. It's so 40k nonsense
jaunty dawn
I mean you only really need the harpoon bit
pseudo shuttle
aw well
luckily i wasnt super hoping for the harpoon dreadnaught anyway
pseudo shuttle
i was mainly going for the harpoon because its a harpoon
its very fitting for the chapter
soft willow
I mean what stops you from building your own harpoon?
pseudo shuttle
i mean
out of what? x3
rocky shale
Sculpting is hard
pseudo shuttle
there isnt anything else harboon-y in the gw range thats close to dread scale is there?
soft willow
There's a Warmachine warjack one that would work.
pseudo shuttle
this isnt a gw piece tho 😔
im trying to makesure it stays gw legal just in case i ever wana go to an event
floral herald
They don’t really care as long as it looks good
pseudo shuttle
i thought the policy was that kitbashes were fine as long as its all pieces from a gw system?
floral herald
That is the policy
But esp for stuff which just doesn’t have a GW part it’s usually fine
main pagoda
there isnt anything else harboon-y in the gw range thats close to dread scale is...
was going to say the warhound harpoon from AT but they stopped selling it it looks like
soft willow
It would be a little small I think, but you could probably make it work.
pseudo shuttle
AT?
soft willow
Adeptus Titanicus
pseudo shuttle
ahh
soft willow
The Epic scale Titans.
jaunty dawn
Realistically like they do not care yeah
pseudo shuttle
i'd rather ere on the side of caution
i dont wana show up to an event, and then suddenly yknow
not have a dreadnaught that day
sour sequoia
i thought the policy was that kitbashes were fine as long as its all pieces from...
Everybody who freaks the fuck out abt this doesnt play
There were kitbashes and prints at worlds
The policy exists so you dont get some fucking moron rockin into the store flexing his 13th new army “and it only cost me $20 instead of paying here wink wink nudge nudge arent i a clever boy for rockin up to cults3d and printing flavor of the month metachase”
Which is a shockingly common Type Of Guy but I digress
pseudo shuttle
its good to know they're lax about it
but i stil plan to be careful about it
sour sequoia
They dont even do wysiwyg anymore because then every chaos marines player is fucked six ways to sunday or paying $85 per 5 models for the stupid goddamn killteam sprue to get One Chaingun
I promise you when bashes and conversions are done for the sake of Sick Model, nobody will ever care
Or I’ll come and fight them in the parking lot for you
pseudo shuttle
i do miss wysiwyg
mainly because its just fun to say
but yeah even if its like
a one in a blue moon chance of happening , i'd just rather not roll that dice yknow x3
desert jay
They dont even do wysiwyg anymore because then every chaos marines player is fuc...
And on the flip side no one knows what Xenos guns look like so it quickly devolves into "trust me bro" anyway
sour sequoia
And on the flip side no one knows what Xenos guns look like so it quickly devolv...
World Eaters expect me to respect the difference between eightbound and exalted eightbound and yet nobody knows what the fuck a mining laser even is
runic swallow
And on the flip side no one knows what Xenos guns look like so it quickly devolv...
Yeah that’s a Turbo-Enfuckerator, how could you ever think that’s a Implode-o-Tron
desert jay
Mining laser is one of the easy ones
pseudo shuttle
also i kinda lucked out in harpoon dreadnaught not working out x3
so i dont even have to worry about it
desert jay
Yeah that’s a Turbo-Enfuckerator, how could you ever think that’s a Implode-o-Tr...
Is it a Kustom Mega-Kannon or a Traktor Kannon or a Bubblechukka? (All actual weapon names from a Mek Gunz sheet)
sour sequoia
Mining laser is one of the easy ones
Its at least one of the ones people realize they can disrespect Exactly Once
raven meteor
World Eaters expect me to respect the difference between eightbound and exalted ...
In my first warhammer 40k game on TTS my (also beginner) opponent briefly assumed the Heavy Mining Tools on their Acolyte Hybrids were some kind of laser cannon and we both were badly confused for a minute or so
These things
raven meteor
We eventually figured it out! It was just a very silly 'neither of us know what we're doing' moment
runic swallow
It happens
raven meteor
(Yes they started with Genestealers, I helped get them into the wargame and when they asked for a 'big brain' and 'swarm' army I told them about Genestealers, said they were VERY HARD and maybe consider Tyrannids also, and they went 'nah genestealers cool')
floral herald
They dont even do wysiwyg anymore because then every chaos marines player is fuc...
I think they finally made em in the standard box but it’s still expensive given you can otherwise make the squads 2 from a box
I think the chaingun isn’t super meta anyway
pseudo shuttle
aaa
i almost forgot , i need to work out how to base my space marines too
or i suppose
run my plan by people who know how to paint and see if it;'ll work
main pagoda
whats the scheme
pseudo shuttle
plan is
before i spray prime the minis
apply stirland mud to the base and let it dry
then prime it and the mini white
so it gets a sorta snowy look
but then give it a sorta light blue ish wash to mak it not pure white
then to make it a little , uneven
get some like , yknow those tubss of mini basing grass/fallen leaves,
apply little random patches of that around the base too
main pagoda
vallahan billzard with a light application of pylar glacier make great snow bases
pseudo shuttle
from what i could see , vallahan billzard wasnt as good for like
being, the base itself
like its good for puting ontop of things to make it look snowed on but all the guides i saw used it kinda suplementally i guess is the word
(im saying as somebody with 0 experience myself im only going off of what i've seen in guides trying to find good snowy forest base guides)
rocky shale
Are you doing white marines on a snow base?
rocky shale
You may want to consider not doing a super snowy base because you won't have any contrast between the model and the base
It makes sense for camouflage but if you want your minis to stand out from a distance, camouflage isn't necessarily the way to go
You'll have a very white blob army
pseudo shuttle
thats the issue im having in my head yeah 😔
im torn between reppin the home planet
or , doing something good for actual mini painting
but this is why i was planning on breaking up the snow with stuff, fallen pine needles, some tufts,
also making the snow less...white if that makes sense
main pagoda
if its a light model you want a darker base
main pagoda
(im saying as somebody with 0 experience myself im only going off of what i've s...
in my experience thats not true its fine by itself
pseudo shuttle
you're probbably right that its better to use a darker base 😔
wide veldt
Man I really wanna kitbash some guevesa breachers
also NEW RECRUIT GOT THE CRUCIBLE RULES YEAAH BABY
jaunty dawn
White model on snow base can look great imo
You can contrast the two in other ways
Snow bases do look good with other elements though and not just an even layer of snow texture
I mean thats fine as any other base that simple but it looks great with more complexity
This has not white feet but eh
I wish I took more pictures of this project. And finished this project. Oops
I have another white on white project but its from around the same time and I have no pictures of that either 😭
But in this case the contrast is because I have a somewhat warm white with tan shadows vs the snow which is much more blue
rocky shale
This model is majority darker colors so it still has good contrast
I'm talking like white scars space marine 100% white on snow base
jaunty dawn
I think thats an oversimplified way of looking at it and also just like
Dont really jive with telling someone not to do a project just because it might be slightly harder to execute
Especially if that increased difficulty is imo overblown
jaunty dawn
Space marine on 25mm base jumpscare
floral herald
Kind of a tundra base
rocky shale
^ yeah that's what I mean by like, generally avoid having your base and model not exactly the same colors
Not to rag on this one random guy who made it into my Google image sesrch
jaunty dawn
I feel like the problem there is mostly just that the snow looks bad
rocky shale
Something like this would work well because the green gives some contrast
jaunty dawn
You can literally look at the foot and see that theres plenty of contrast to be readable
floral herald
I think that one is a good example because it’s from an unfavorable angle - all the snow is visible instead of being on the side
It probably looks fine from a higher angle because the rock isn’t hidden behind the snow
tired cairn
Modeling snow has a particularly uncanny feel to me IME
jaunty dawn
I use gw snow and ak sparkles
And frost solution which is a bit hit and miss
Thats a product too but fck the company that made it and its just saline
pastel rampart
Snow bases do look good with other elements though and not just an even layer of...
https://www.instagram.com/p/DVwCtInjkXx/ Longtime friend of mine does good stuff with snow bases.
jaunty dawn
Prettyyyy
Photographing snow is also hard haha easy to blow out white
Without making it not white either
pastel rampart
Adding crystals is one good touch, but also he mixed some blues and purple in a wash over an off-white before drybrushing white and then adding snow flock. Shockingly easy.
I plan to paint my Blood Angels on similar bases as a fun little thing for when we play games. Opposing armies with matching bases is something we've tossed around and we both think that's fun.
wide veldt
Ouuuygh man I’m worried about the fact that they didn’t like
jaunty dawn
Yeah I love that!!!!
wide veldt
Mention customizable heroes for 11e at adepticon
rocky shale
These were some necrons I did real fast with just the Vallejo tub of snow, worked out OK for just slapping it on
Or maybe it was the proacryl snow base? I forget actually.
pastel rampart
Hell yeah
rocky shale
Mention customizable heroes for 11e at adepticon
I doubt we're getting crucible-esque stuff as baseline
jaunty dawn
Ive thought about opposing bases not sure if I ever did it off the top of my head
pastel rampart
Yeah I love that!!!!
We're gonna do it with his orks and my steel legion too. Desert wasteland, though where he's going with an oil rig and highway sorta theme I'm going with broken building ruins that the SL are still trying to defend for a more contrasting element that still ties into things.
jaunty dawn
I guess I did with kill team but not finishing the storm troopers make it not feel like counting
wide veldt
I doubt we're getting crucible-esque stuff as baseline
That’s a shame, it rules
pastel rampart
https://www.instagram.com/monstapainting/reel/DVVBygGjpyo/ Oh right yeah they also have like 20k points of Skaven and after like 20 years of sitting on a shelf they finished their custom rat giant thing.
wide veldt
And sure it’d be harder to balance but also GW is a monster truck of a company I’m sure they could afford the extra manpower lmao
rocky shale
They barely have the ability to balance the game without them lol
jaunty dawn
https://www.instagram.com/monstapainting/reel/DVVBygGjpyo/ Oh right yeah they al...
Ooh rat giant (not to be confused with giant rat)
pastel rampart
They made that just as the new plastic giant kit came out and well before a hellpit abomination was a thing!
jaunty dawn
Woahh
pastel rampart
We've been in the hobby for like 26 years, haha
jaunty dawn
Thats how old I am!
wide veldt
They barely have the ability to balance the game without them lol
I mean sure but by that margin we should never get anything new ever because GW is incompetent
I can still be disappointed they’re too incompetent to do a really cool thing lol
rocky shale
My experience with the crucible stuff has been largely either "oh neat this let's me make a janky version of a legends datasheet", "I can make a bland but technically new to this range random datasheet" or "holy shit why wouldn't you run 3x of this in every list" and I think having to dodge the 3rd outcome makes catering for the first two less appealing
wide veldt
They should be able to weed out the third thing lmao
pastel rampart
I'm currently helping him, slowly, clean up and organize his basement so we can get a table in there and actually start playing for the first time in like 6 fuckin' years.
jaunty dawn
Hell yeah
rocky shale
You might be eating good if you're like a space marine player but the xenos options are pretty bland
pastel rampart
Slow-going but we'll get there before the summer is out, hopefully. Maybe sooner if I get over there more often.
wide veldt
I just want customizable lords back man
rocky shale
Eldar get like, autarch wayleaper back when it had loneop, bike autarch that can actually lead shining spears (this should just be on the bike autarch datasheet) and wraithseer (went to legends this edition)
wide veldt
Yeah part of the problem is they just keep sending stuff to legends that there’s no replacement for also
rocky shale
Similarly imperial agents is like: your 50th and worst option for a loneop blorbotron, something only for deathwatch, and inquisitor karamazov but not legends
wide veldt
Well
It’s also imperial agents
Anyway I mostly like crucible by adding a bunch of leaders for units that don’t normally get them tbh
rocky shale
They sold a codex for IA, I will die on the hill that it should be a perfectly valid army choice
rocky shale
It just took 4th at adepticon 🙂
wide veldt
Okay well actually my opinion is that it shouldn’t be an army and should like
Literally be a soup list and a seperate inquisition faction
That’s my opinion for sure tho
floral herald
I think the setup where they throw all the soup into one big list is pretty good but it should be called not-a-codex Imperial Agents
wide veldt
Looking back at my cult list and opened the swarms tab and choked on my drink a lil ngl
Is this literally just like
rocky shale
If you're gonna give it an army rule and detachments it should actually be an army
wide veldt
Mutant rats
floral herald
If you're gonna give it an army rule and detachments it should actually be an ar...
IMO it just shouldn’t have those things but I appreciate people making it work
rocky shale
I think there's plenty of room for an inquisitorial faction and basically everything in IA fits for it
rocky shale
Mutant rats
They're clearly Mutoids™, not mutants
floral herald
Genuinely did not know those guys were legal in bighammer
I assumed they were some kind of reroll token
jaunty dawn
Yeah its a series of worms and flies and stuff
floral herald
They were uhhh
Equipment options for Gellerpox in kill team lol
I think the new edition promoted them to Mandatory Goblins in this edition at least
wide veldt
I’m making my OC legion of dudes who have a fuck load of cultists they sometimes do dark rituals on to turn into new chaos marines
native schooner
Oh whammer thread
floral herald
Wait no still equipment
native schooner
Im playing as a Sister of Battle Repentia in a oneshot (Lex Ecclesiastica was the name of the Spirelike game iirc)
Any tips
Oh wait is this a thread for whammer lore in general or the game systems specifically
jaunty dawn
Probblyyy
Do you know what youre repenting for
I never got around to reading the game :(
native schooner
Not acting fast enough to stop a charismatic chaos cultist from having a foothold in a hive city
Except thats a lie my repentia is covering for her sister who was actually the one who hesitated in killing the chaos cult leader when she had the chance
So theres self sacrifice from the get go but also resentment towards the hesitant off the hook sister there
native schooner
Ten is the number of chaos/xenos/whichever
wide veldt
Also me staring at the chaos vehicles like
None of these names mean anything
Made a flavorful but probably not very good list lol
rocky shale
Traitor guardsmen ONLY come in squads of 10
It's a different kit than normal guardsmen
And it's a kill team kit historically
pseudo shuttle
Something like this would work well because the green gives some contrast
THIS WAS WHAT I ACTUALLY WANTED ORIGINALLY
There
Was just
Absolutely no guides for it
Anywhere
pseudo shuttle
...damm is it really as simple as
Follow mr 2 thin coats terrain guide
And then add snow ontop?
Because that's all that looks like to me
strong owl
they did the in 90s
pseudo shuttle
...huh
Today I learnt
jaunty dawn
I made my space marines red accented because I was like gun is red even though its like only dark angels that actually do that nowdays
I feel like theres probably a lot of art of it left over though??? Idk!
Like some drawing in the 4e rulebook or something
So many people who make replicas make them red too
soft willow
It's a little more than I think people expected.
Even though it's a pretty large model still.
sour sequoia
Cult detach goes hard
It just doesn’t have much of any involvement with the rest of the army and is expensive as hell
wide veldt
Yeah
I also made a Creations of Bile army for the sillies
Think I’d rather play the ork Mek detatchment for silly gambling tho
sour sequoia
The secret of Bile is its barely gambling and you just wanna make Fast Possessed
And its Really Fucking Good
desert jay
You have cheap bodies and ok buffs
Is it still good if it's 100% Kill Team kits?
saw a certain meme list
mental birch
Is it still good if it's 100% Kill Team kits?
Do you like your wallet
pseudo shuttle
question
is it 2nd company ultramarines that have the gold trim thats the "standard"
main pagoda
yes
pseudo shuttle
is it always 2nd company thats got the "normal" looks for the chapters?
jaunty dawn
not necessarily no
just an ultramarine thing afaik
and it's only really standard in a meta sense kinda thing]
I suppose?
calgar's terminator armour looks kinda sus in the rubricae direcation ngl
I guess it's kinda hard to distinguish between gold as status and gold as heraldry
but like how tigurius has just got librarian blue trim with no signification of any company I think
floral herald
Is it still good if it's 100% Kill Team kits?
Those are their good bodies so yeah I think so
also essentially all non-PA infantry in CSM are kill teams
floral herald
is it always 2nd company thats got the "normal" looks for the chapters?
No it’s kinda random
2nd company UMs, 3rd company Raven guard, 5th company imperial fists
I forget WS BA and DA since they have less traditional ones
jaunty dawn
combat patrol is 5th
as is lazarus
dark vengeance had 5th company too so I assume that's mostly the case haha
floral herald
Probably 5th then yeah
jaunty dawn
for blood angels the yellow tear on the shoulder pad is 2nd company
floral herald
Oh yep I misread the chart and thought they were third
Space Wolves are Blackmane’s great company iirc
jaunty dawn
yeah the yellow field and the wolf head
floral herald
No wonder I can’t remember white scars lol
broken dew
No wonder I can’t remember white scars lol
holy shit the leg company markings 💀
jaunty dawn
iron hands are clan raukaan
which is the three bolts in the cog
and then the black shoulder/white chapter icon is salamanders 1st and 2nd company
though adrax agatone is 3rd
junior robin
PETER TURBO ART!!!! 
also no spoiler engine today, not sure how I will survive the week without it 
jaunty dawn
it's okay you can just call that it'll be a primaris lieutenant
soft willow
Null Primaris Lieutenant reveal today
junior robin
surely one of perturabos guns must be powered by the souls of primaris lieutenants
vital barn
welp, I guess if this is Demon Primarch debut campaign it's time for the Mech to get flattened again
why can't we ever lose to someone cool
floral herald
Ok it’s ||extremely funny the space wolves saved him and didn’t fuckin tell anyone|| ||cause fuck em, that’s why||
junior robin
I mean ||last time they tried to save people on armageddon it didnt end well for them (and the grey knights)|| 
finally
floral herald
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/krrfctul/perturabos-grand-pla...
This guy basically looks how I expected (sick as hell)
jaunty dawn
Oh wild theyre publishing the game from imperial knight renegade again
That was such a good box
Two knights and terrain for barely more than one knight
marsh tree
they really need to make a kit that's just a bunch of small critters for modeling
pulsar cairn
does the size on that squig makes it more or less violent?
still warren
Peter Turbo gonna be a knight sized model
paper bluff
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/krrfctul/perturabos-grand-pla...
I do like it looks like he's a very well put together obliterator/mutilator giant
I wonder if he's the origin point of the virus
ruby token
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/krrfctul/perturabos-grand-pla...
holy fucking shit he’s so sauced
pseudo shuttle
just an ultramarine thing afaik
so say
imperial fists 2nd company isnt their ,
how do i phrase this not default
most recognisble colour scheme? i guess?
ruby token
hopefully we get a model for him soonish i’ve never wanted a daemon primarch more
jaunty dawn
most recognisble colour scheme? i guess?
We went through all the first founding chapters a little up 😊
floral herald
IF’s second company also looks weird and low contrast imo
pseudo shuttle
if it was always "2nd company are the most recognisble ones" i could follow that rule but if its just random then aaaaa
floral herald
Eh just pick one which works nicely
Black on white on red makes 3rd or 5th company sort of a natural pick
pseudo shuttle
...let me look up what the companies are built for again i cant remember
i only remember 1st and 10th
floral herald
2-5 aren’t specialized by default
6-9 are weird focused ones to bulk out 2-5
I forget the exact breakdown but I think it’s 6-7 (laugh it up) are tactical reserve companies, 8 is the assault reserve company, and 9 is the devastator reserve company
Post-primaris I’m not sure how they work
main pagoda
also have air and armour specialised companies
paper bluff
It would be so funny that if when perty gets a mini in the game, they also release a mini for the imperial first chapter master
pseudo shuttle
oh this is fun
i guess the diffrent company captains have diffrent jobs
junior robin
guy is missing a hand, clearly a clue that rogal dorn will return soon 
main pagoda
oh this is fun
i guess the diffrent company captains have diffrent jobs
eh kinda but not really, outside of some specific chapter roles if your battle company you are fighting and if your a reserve company you are well also fighting
floral herald
The company captains all have specific jobs yeah
In addition to normal company leadership
pseudo shuttle
like, master of the watch, master of the fleet, lord executioner
main pagoda
well master of the fleet is something different
pseudo shuttle
im just working off of the titles of this one image i found
and it says 4th company captain is master of the fleet
main pagoda
in what chapter?
floral herald
That’s the codex setup yeah
main pagoda
fleet command is separate aiui
floral herald
pseudo shuttle
this makes my life a little easier then
i guess 5th company is the default look for my guys
main pagoda
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Master_(Space_Marine)
intrestingly seems that it can shift between actual marines and humans. Current UM MoF is a mortal
pseudo shuttle
course i could always diverge a little from the codex
would it be non compliant to only have the company markings on a knee?
or do we think thats still in keeping with it
floral herald
intrestingly seems that it can shift between actual marines and humans. Current ...
You mean Gaius Silva?
pseudo shuttle
yknow come to think of it
floral herald
Oh yeah huh I wonder if he’s still in charge
pseudo shuttle
i've not really thought about if theres any
punishments, for being a non codex compliant chapter
main pagoda
well no one is confining Uriel "spin the block" ventris to orbit
main pagoda
i've not really thought about if theres any
punishments, for being a non codex c...
theres levels to being non codex compliant
floral herald
well no one is confining Uriel "spin the block" ventris to orbit
He was a terrible master of the fleet ngl
floral herald
i've not really thought about if theres any
punishments, for being a non codex c...
Not usually
pseudo shuttle
oh really?
floral herald
Like it depends
pseudo shuttle
so its more the suggestion astartes?
pulsar cairn
are you gonna wanna tell the big super mutant what to do?
floral herald
“We’re gonna change our company colors and fuse apothecaries and Techmarines” “ok that’s fine” “we’re gonna have 30 full strength companies”
pseudo shuttle
if you're also a big super mutant yes x3
floral herald
main pagoda
yeah like i said theres a sliding scale
pseudo shuttle
so as long as you're not really being a dick about it its fine
main pagoda
BT are dicks about it but they can kinda handwave it
floral herald
BT get a pass since they’re bad at math kinda
junior robin
good ol crusade loophole
pseudo shuttle
so its not like your gunna get declared traitor for not following it to the letter
pulsar cairn
its funny to me that a son of dorn would be bad at math
but its like ya said to me the other day
floral herald
The UMs had some comparatively minor deviations before Guilliman came back and now they kinda just make it up as they go along really hard
pulsar cairn
its more chapter culture than geneseed
floral herald
its funny to me that a son of dorn would be bad at math
In less short form it’s because all the IF successors benefit from Dorn’s stupid robust recruitment pipeline
pulsar cairn
deviations on what? on codex stuff?
main pagoda
IF do have minor and then theres last wall
floral herald
Where they just drag in shitloads of recruits run em all through the phalanx and pipeline the failures into phalanx guard
And then ship off the successes to various chapters, who also independently recruit from the watch station network
pulsar cairn
do they make recruitment for all of the IF successors at the phalanx?
floral herald
The black templars are just really good at accounting fraud basically
floral herald
do they make recruitment for all of the IF successors at the phalanx?
Not exclusively but yes
pulsar cairn
right right
pulsar cairn
thats clever honestly, if they have to cooperate with different chapters its probably easier if they are their successors
pseudo shuttle
in that case, i think i''l keep the markings but swap the colours around a bit
i mean in retrospect they're already not super compliant in terms of
battlefield tactics
paper bluff
The BT also recruit as they go along. Each crusade fleet get new recruits but ALSO recruit on their own
And considering what they do with noviates makes sense
little bay
how connected are titan legions and techpriests?
upper bluff
From my understanding super connected
little bay
thanks
paper bluff
There are even tech priests inside the titans
stark cypress
Yeah
The Titans are massively crewed
and have their own entire separate bodyguard legion.
little bay
thanks
paper bluff
Funnily enough, it was in a titan related book that that I saw BL use xe/xer pronouns for a techpriest
main pagoda
yeah imperator
warhound titians have the smallest crew of about 10-15 including servitors
then you have warlords and up with thousands of dudes and clades of secutarri
pseudo shuttle
hmm
so, if you're in a 100% codex compliant chapter, where do the company markings go, on the knees?
they couldnt go on a left shoulder because thats where battlefield role icon go
and it cant go on the other because thats where the chapter symbol goes right?
so it bascially has to go on the knee
but then, squad markings then have to be inside the battlefield role icons right?
floral herald
Company markings are shoulderpad trim by codex
tired cairn
Wait, shoulderpad trim. Does GW even do this lol
pseudo shuttle
ahh banners and kneepads
floral herald
Wait, shoulderpad *trim*. Does GW even do this lol
Yes
floral herald
ahh banners *and* kneepads
But not always
I think they’re sort of a “backup”
Like for armor marks with different shoulderpads and such
pseudo shuttle
is there a standardised position for squad markings then? if the knees taken
floral herald
is there a standardised position for squad markings then? if the knees taken
They go on the same shoulderpad as the squad type markings
In some respect
floral herald
Huh, I guess the default UM scheme is for 2nd battle company then
Yep!
Most of the studio paint jobs are for an “iconic” specific company with space marines
pseudo shuttle
so like inside the battleline icon then would be a 5 for example?
floral herald
I always love to rivet count space marines lol
jaunty dawn
I think the circle ones are also used on vehicles mor often?
floral herald
Oh yeah true
jaunty dawn
at least i feel like I've seen that idk
cause there's also just company colour circle
pseudo shuttle
now i just have to sort out the screaming in my head about mini basing
pine matrix
raven meteor
Space Skaven
pseudo shuttle
malal is now canon again
rocky shale
Calgar in no armor
tired cairn
Is there anything left on that list from that one April fools video that still has yet to come out?
jaunty dawn
junior robin
we did get the plastic thunderhawk (in aironautica) so no
jaunty dawn
it's kinda wild how personality driven content like this was one of the ways in which gw rehabilitated their image in a major way and then they were like no we hate that actually
I say that
the last few reveal teasers have some of that energy
like the silly hints
tired cairn
They've kept those, but have downplayed particular people
jaunty dawn
idkkk
like stuff like reset the clock, the hell I can't
I mean they literally don't have them on their yt anymore
and yeah I'm not saying warhammer community ever went anti goof but there is a difference
ironically the sacrosant chamber got reclosed 🙃
floral herald
jaunty dawn
I skimmed the article and it seemed like his plan is to fortify the entire path to terra which is definitely how that works
tired cairn
I mean, I guess they should fortify some of the path so they don't have to retreat all the way to the eye of terror every time
upper canopy
Party my man you cant fortify space
raven meteor
Party my man you cant fortify space
By all accounts his plan is to fortify space,
Which
Like,
If half the galaxy can turn into a big warp portal I suppose half of it can turn into a bigass wall too if it's the Great Demon Of Bigass Walls doing it
jaunty dawn
necrons did totally fortify a few bits of space haha yeah
tired cairn
Peturbo is unaligned right? How did he get to be a demon prince?
junior robin
...did anything come out of that "necrons build device to turn off connection with the warp in large area of space" plot thing? 🤔
jaunty dawn
and its only recently that him being a daemon has been like, firmly established
tired cairn
...did anything come out of that "necrons build device to turn off connection wi...
It's why the big warp tear cutting the Imperium in half happened
jaunty dawn
fwiw I'm less talking about fortifying space and more about like
creating a series of fortifications on the path to your goal is not how war is done good
tired cairn
Abandon was totally succeeding the whole time by breaking the necron obelisks holding back the warp and not actually failing every time he had to retreat
junior robin
oh not the obelisks
tired cairn
Oh wait, you are talking about a more recent thing
I don't know what happened there
That was the pariah nexus stuff right?
jaunty dawn
I think it's just an ongoing conflict in the new present
tired cairn
Lexicanum doesn't talk about a conclusion at least
Though I don't think it really needs one tbh
junior robin
felt like a bigger threat overall when it was released I guess
main pagoda
Peturbo is unaligned right? How did he get to be a demon prince?
he kinda had to or else he would have died
thanks fulgrim
v cool
upper canopy
Pariah Nexus is just another big war zone in perpetuity
dense wharf
real talk I think it's a mystery that has yet to be adressed
looks at Vashtorr
Now Listen I know it'd technically be a retcon, but I genuinely think Pert would be something close to "happy" or at least "willing" to deal with vashtorr, and that could be a good new explanation for his demonic ascenscion.
Like attracts like, and they're both ruthless bastards with a desire to make things.
Plus he and Vashtorr can both comisserate over "I don't want to be bound by these 4 idiots" and that's funny
jaunty dawn
may bbb
quaint compass
If they pull a warhammer fantasy and start including chaos gods outside of the big 4 they will get one of my moneys
junior robin
#bringbackmalice
jaunty dawn
personally i think if vashtorr made him a prince then the best way for that to work is for perty to end up creating vashtorr
charred bridge
Tzeentch has plans you can't comprehend
pulsar cairn
i feel like the chaos dwarfs would like Vashtorr
jaunty dawn
I think there's a lot of hashut in vashtorr yeah
junior robin
they did have that daemon cannon
now I wonder if its older then daemon engines in 40k 🤔
jaunty dawn
daemon engines as in rules for daemon piloted vehicles came pretty early
little bay
Tzeentch has plans you can't comprehend
that one just looks tired
charred bridge
that one just looks tired
Yea he's tired of being bloated from all the corpse rain despite not drinking any
pulsar cairn
bird
charred bridge
Also have a similar one
tranquil ivy
muehehe
wide veldt
They need to make a fifth secret kind of assassin who has a katana
floral herald
Death cult
jaunty dawn
They need to make a fifth secret kind of assassin who has a katana
They did in horus heresy
But dont worry its not. Good
quaint compass
boring
desert jay
Adamus Temple is theoretically still out there in M41 but they don't got 40k rules
thin ibex
What's their shtick?
desert jay
They get a mention (appearance?) in the novel Ghost Legion (2026)
desert jay
What's their shtick?
Studying their target intently over months to years and then doing the perfect decapitation strike
Also, cool swords
And they will just duel a guy if that's what it takes
upper canopy
So vindicaires but swords?
thin ibex
Wait so like... normal assassin stuff?
Their shtick is being the best most normal assassin
desert jay
Yeah they're normal and boring
vital barn
they have never been any good, since their power is "copy the weapon skills of the target"
and that means that your average space marine HQ with decent weapon skill and much better gear and wounds wrecks them handily
upper canopy
That sounds way cooler in 40k than 30k
desert jay
The most exciting way to describe them would probably be Taskmaster (Marvel) but a 40k Temple Assassin
vital barn
they're trying to do a "mimic your fighting style" wuxia beat but the other guy has a power fist and that means that both of you hitting on 4+ doesn't mean shit
thin ibex
Honestly I do vibe with "really good at being an assassin and is otherwise normal" vibe being elevated to a full ass assassin temple
vital barn
yeah, they would just have to not suck
at least Callidus has her sneaky stuff despite the lack of particularly amazing weapons and the Eversor eats regular squads
desert jay
I guess you could make them "I'm you but better" where they get a good WS (always) and a power sword (power swords are generally solid) and can copy rules off guys they're in melee with
vital barn
sadly a power sword in 30k is grotesquely under par for a duelist HQ but you can easily up them to paragon blades without changing the model and do that, yeah
unfortunately they did not do this
desert jay
Technically a paragon blade is just a really really good power weapon :v
vital barn
eh some of them are amazing chainswords or funky xenotech, but yeah
generic term for "really good melee weapon"
jaunty dawn
Being the sword guy with a worse sword than the sneaky girl because she has a phase blade just kinda makes him silly
thin ibex
Could do "WS+1" so that they're always better at fighting than the other guy
Wait are they supposed to be like Marvel's taskmaster vibe?
finite compass
The most exciting way to describe them would probably be Taskmaster (Marvel) but...
Would this mean that Adamus vs Orks would be the equivalent of Taskmaster vs Moon Knight? 😛
charred bridge
Tau upon meeting the imperium
spice flicker
Ive got a friend in a crusade who is wanting to make "40k loyalists world eaters" as a space marines army. How would you go about making this?
I suggested looking at being a blood angels successor mechanically so that you can use death company as berserkers of a sort since that was something he wanted to do with his force. What do you think?
floral herald
30k or 40k?
thin ibex
blood angels pretty much
you can really even use regular assault intercessors as berserkers
desert jay
30k or 40k?
They didn’t exactly say 30k loyalists :p
broken dew
yeah it's the Blood Angels
spice flicker
He is more used to 30k but yeah this crusade is in 40k.
thin ibex
you could also conceivably do BT, but i think BA overlay best
they pretty much have a detachment that all but matches the WE main detach
floral herald
pastel rampart
BA if he wants wild uncontrolled berserkers, BT if the aim is more "what if the world eaters didn't have devices causing literal brain damage 24/7"
wide veldt
IS PETER BACK
floral herald
ok this is the funniest post for someone to learn about this from
spice flicker
He said he wanted to go a more "hint hint nudge nudge we're totally not just world eaters from 30k just under a different name. Just ignore out tendency to become berserkers and favoring of melee."
floral herald
floral herald
I think it's likely
pastel rampart
It would be wild not to, with the whole IW lead-up the past month or so and this piece of art.
quaint compass
The move with some soul would be Perty getting offed on the way to Random Forgeworld
spice flicker
A daemon primarch the size of a knight
main pagoda
most already are
jaunty dawn
Not quite
Like with wings kinda
But thats not really the same as actually being as big as a knight
main pagoda
i know angron, morty and magnus are
or well angron with wings
i actually dont know how big fulgrims model is
spice flicker
Perty being the largest daemon primarch so far would be nice
main pagoda
id be surprised if he was bigger than magnus height wise but he should be the chunkiest
jaunty dawn
Without wings primarchs are pretty comparable to an armiger so its like
Magnus is beeg
pastel rampart
https://www.reddit.com/r/EmperorsChildren/comments/1kg6lm6/fulgrim_size_compared_to_guilliman/ Fulgrim is giant
Reddit
jaunty dawn
Theyre all about the same head height but morty if flyin
Hes ended up pretty odd one out haha
Which is a shame cause hes my fav of the four by a significant margin
wide veldt
I really want to see Perty with an AOS tier model
rocky shale
Apparently GW doesn't actually have separate modeling teams for AoS vs 40k
Same people working on both
jaunty dawn
He was destroyed and all that remained was a hand
wide veldt
Damn alright yeah
jaunty dawn
He definitely isnt going around somewhere with one hand
desert jay
Perty being the largest daemon primarch so far would be nice
Honestly, even if he's about the same size (head height) he'd be properly big and imposing with all the weaponry(?) hanging off his back
jaunty dawn
Idk if theres a name for this trope and the only other instance I can think of is from harry potter so 💀
bright dove
He definitely isnt going around somewhere with one hand
No no, as one hand
wide veldt
Perty being a Chaos Knight basically would rule
bright dove
pastel rampart
The only confirmed actually dead-dead* primarchs are Ferrus Manus, Sanguinius, and Konrad Curze.
- In whatever amount of dead GW is keeping with at any given moment.
upper canopy
Apparently GW doesn't actually have separate modeling teams for AoS vs 40k
Why the hell do they phone in 40k so much then lmao
jaunty dawn
Maybe one of the twins?
wide veldt
I want them to like
pastel rampart
Alpharius and/or Omegon may or may not be dead due to the nature of the Alpha Legion just being Like That™.
desert jay
And also Horus
upper canopy
The only confirmed actually dead-dead* primarchs are Ferrus Manus, Sanguinius, a...
Well no
wide veldt
Weakly try to bring back Ferrus Manus and just have no one care
jaunty dawn
I think they just have junior artists and they mostly do kitbash pose jobs
bright dove
I would care
jaunty dawn
Which do exist in aos but less often than in 40k
bright dove
It'd be so funny
wide veldt
He comes back but his hands are gold now
pastel rampart
Bile didn't make a successful Ferrus clone you're thinking of Fulgrim.
bright dove
"Oh yeah, I run an Iron Hands army" is a statement of the deranged
pastel rampart
He made a bunch of Ferrus clones for Fulgrim
And none of them survived.
upper canopy
Fulgrim tries to corrupt them and fails every time so he keeps killing them
desert jay
There was also the time a renegade Iron Hands successor stole Ferrus's fists and grafted them to a primarch-sized servitor(?) and pretended Ferrus was back
jaunty dawn
Honestly I dont really buy the meme I think the meme existing just provides confirmation bias
upper canopy
Ferris is back
pastel rampart
Also clones are not the original.
jaunty dawn
40k gets good models all the time
upper canopy
Doesnt matter for the purposes of the plot
pastel rampart
It kinda does actually.
upper canopy
Ferrus is back if Ferrus is back
Whatever justification will be used for that purpose
stark cypress
Ferris is back
Iron Hands: ...He may not be our father, but he is still our father. We will kill you Inquisitor Curs if you touch him.
rocky shale
Why the hell do they phone in 40k so much then lmao
Slop for the slop enjoyers
desert jay
Apparently Ferrus's skull was also recovered from Chaos hands
pastel rampart
Ferrus is dead. A clone of him could come back but it won't be Ferrus Manus the Original (now with shiny new polish on his arms).
mental birch
IS PETER BACK
Have artwork of demon perty
wide veldt
Well
rocky shale
40k does get a lot of good models they just also get new intercessors
jaunty dawn
I think voys argument is basically that if you can justify making a model it doesnt matter
desert jay
As intercessors go I think the new intercessors look pretty good
wide veldt
Voy is uhhh
jaunty dawn
Even if its not ferrus if it means you can make a big iron handed space marine
pastel rampart
Could GW bring Ferrus back otherwise? Yeah probably, The Death and the End does some timey-wimey bullshit at one point and I wouldn't put it past GW to shoehorn that shit in there for model sales. But I don't think anyone would like that.
desert jay
But they're also basic intercessors, the most boring of space marines possible
wide veldt
The narrative construct
rocky shale
They're fine but they do feel like the last possible kit you'd choose to update
jaunty dawn
I think making new basic marines is less of a baby job
stark cypress
What if they plan on doing end times LOL
jaunty dawn
Cause you kinda have to set a tone on a whole thing
wide veldt
Here- they don’t - here’s the thing
I think AOS and 40k have similar product ranges IF
You include the stuff that has old world models
desert jay
They're fine but they do feel like the last possible kit you'd choose to update
Rumormill is that the new intercessors are the full replacement for tactical squads
stark cypress
I think AOS and 40k have similar product ranges IF
Yeah, all the model teams are the same.
wide veldt
The reason the disparity seems bad is that AOS is relatively new and a bunch of shit is like
New models
And the new models are good
desert jay
Which if true, basically just leaves devastators as the last unupdated guys
jaunty dawn
Thats true for the overall quality of aos models yeah
wide veldt
Like if we randomly rolled to look at a model from each
rocky shale
Rumormill is that the new intercessors are the full replacement for tactical squ...
That would make sense
wide veldt
Sure yeah you could get the really cool ghost lady
Or you could pull uh
A dark elf cities of sigmar guy
upper canopy
I think we are probably going to get a model called Ferrus Mannus the Primarch of the Iron Hands who looks identical and has the memories of Ferrus Mannus, and i think they will jump through whatever hoops shall be jumped to include it
jaunty dawn
Yeah
floral herald
I think AoS is also less weighed down by keeping a visual tradition for so long
jaunty dawn
That is voys argument
wide veldt
I don’t actually think enough people give a shit about Ferrus manus to actually bring him back personally
Like no offensive but he’s a pretty bottom tier primarch in terms of who is going to bat for him lmao
desert jay
That would make sense
And also TBF, "it would make sense" is basically the main foundation the rumor has to it
rocky shale
They have a lot of slightly less irrelevant primsrchs to do first
jaunty dawn
Ferrus manus coming back as a force ghost is a million times more likely than random clone now
wide veldt
Then again so was Peter Turbo in many ways so
floral herald
I think AoS is also less weighed down by keeping a visual tradition for so long
And can kinda build it's aesthetic around modern crazy CAD models
rocky shale
Peter at least has a cool visual concept
rocky shale
Like he's a big cool cyborg daemon man
pastel rampart
Ferrus didn't have enough time in the oven to really form much of a personality in the HH books.
wide veldt
Yeah doesn’t he die like
rocky shale
Ferrus is just a guy
pastel rampart
Yup
desert jay
Peturabo and Leman Russ are probably the next two, in one order or the other. Lorgar and Corax and Khan and Vulkan and Alpharius are further down the line, then Ferrus and Dorn are the big ??? marks
wide veldt
That’s so fucking funny
jaunty dawn
Daemon primarchs are also like the only ones that actually came out with any speed and they existed in the setting before the book series even happened
wide veldt
Btw is that series actually over yet
wide veldt
Holy shit they did it? Terra got sieged??
pastel rampart
Daemon primarchs are also like the only ones that actually came out with any spe...
Heck, they even got models in Epic back in the day which is more than can be said for uh...any primarch except Russ.
floral herald
They're also back filling some stuff
jaunty dawn
Yeah emperor got died
floral herald
But the conclusion is out
wide veldt
Oh I heard about this
desert jay
Yeah The Death and the End pt 3 came out in like 2024
wide veldt
Didn’t they remove the bit about a random guardsmen trying to get down Mr president the emperor when Horus swung at him
In the last book
rocky shale
That's years I'll take the win
wide veldt
To be fair to me I only really got into Warhammer this year
jaunty dawn
The pius situation is pretty complicated
pastel rampart
And really stupid, hah.
jaunty dawn
Also not sure what even happened with it in tdate
desert jay
Anyway we're into HH: The Scouring series now with the first book, Ashes of the Imperium, coming out last Dec
wide veldt
Is that the backfilling or the direct sequel
floral herald
The current version is that there was a guardsman there but he was super special
wide veldt
The whole point is that he’s just a guy
jaunty dawn
People have a lot of feelings about it
floral herald
The whole point is that he’s just a guy
They lied to the guard to make them feel special :p
desert jay
Is that the backfilling or the direct sequel
Sequel, the Scouring was the hunting down of traitors and whatnot after the Siege of Terra
wide veldt
Also the series still being named HH is really funny
Given that horus is dead as hell
broken dew
i do think the idea of one random guardsman stepping between Horus and Big E is the coolest version
jaunty dawn
I guess technically the hh never ended
wide veldt
People have a lot of feelings about it
I haven’t read it but I think like
Just from what’s been said here
upper canopy
I don’t actually think enough people give a shit about Ferrus manus to actually ...
At this point I would be surprised if they didnt
They are very committed to making 40k about the Primarchs
wide veldt
Yeah I think it works way better as a not fleshed out legend about a random human taking an attack for big e
upper canopy
They will all come back eventually
floral herald
i do think the idea of one random guardsman stepping between Horus and Big E is ...
I think it's kind of hype moments and aura-y but it was also kinda clear it didn't happen like that pretty quickly
Since the imperial army wasn't a part of the boarding action
floral herald
They also kept the replacement canon for it as well which is fun
jaunty dawn
To really get into it you gotta like examine the history of the story within the fandom in a meta sense n stuff its a whole thing
broken dew
every part of the imperial military machine has their own version of the story
wide veldt
Fair
broken dew
with one of their guys as the person who stepped between Horus and Big E
wide veldt
Again I’m just purely on the level of like
desert jay
I wanna hear the SOB's
broken dew
i think that's kinda neat too
jaunty dawn
I wanna hear the SOB's
Pffff
wide veldt
My like second uncle or some shit gave me a 4e IG codex when I was 12
broken dew
i mean the result is the same no matter what
wide veldt
And I read that story and thought it fucking ruled
So I’m mad it’s not like that lmao
broken dew
that is to say the person stepping between them gets hit with the obliterate like Dr.Manhattan did to Rorshach
wide veldt
(Not actually mad)
I do think the idea that the event was entirely made up is also deeply cynical in a way I like
jaunty dawn
I guess with the sob their founding story is too important to forget and claim descendance from the original imperium
broken dew
but idk it's just the idea of someone stepping into certain and inevitable doom to buy Big E just one more moment of time
wide veldt
Yeah for sure
jaunty dawn
Theres probably daughters of the emperor great crusade stories though maybe
wide veldt
It’s really cool
broken dew
cause at that point
wide veldt
It also makes the fact that Big E sucks also more tragic
But shows at the same time that people did genuinely believe in him
Like on a personal level
While he was still alive
broken dew
yeah
raven meteor
I just read about the 11e announcement properly
From what I'm seeing 10e rules still apply except where specifically changed, and this means you can use 10e armies out of the gate?
(As a stopgap until their faction gets an 11e book)
desert jay
Yeah 10e codices are the new 11e indices
raven meteor
I get it honestly
If playing more games takes me any time soon I can still use Sisters :3