everybody's favorite
(even though it's IIRC the antagonist in the actual expac lmao)
#Warhammer and Such
atomic apex
wide veldt
Yeah he is lol
pine matrix
You know, I'm surprised there's never been a Deathwatch FPS. Seems like a perfect fit, though maybe it'd eat Darktide's lunch a bit
quaint compass
That's just Boltgun, if you wanna have the Deathwatch (the RPG) experience
pine matrix
I guess I was thinking multiplayer! But yeah, I should check it out
Just seems like the move, I know Space Marine 2 let's you make a custom marine, but having cool Deathwatch special weapons too, lots of different enemy possibilities, ranged and melee combat
pastel rampart
A Deathwatch FPS would probably be closer to Star Wars: Republic Commando.
(although Tau would be a better fit for that formula I think)
pine matrix
Yeah, theres definitely overlap, though I feel like if you've got playable Tau, battlesuits should be involved
pastel rampart
Yeah probably. That'd be a bit like an Armored Core game at least in terms of gameplay--probably closer to AC2, which isn't anywhere near as fast-paced as later titles.
quaint compass
Battlefront-style game could be very neat
"They got droidekas stealth suits!"
"Watch out for those pulse blasters!"
pine matrix
Red Orchestra: Damocles Crusade
quaint compass
Verdun 2: Necromunda Gang Wars
Literally the same game but you're two sump-gangs fighting in the underhive
charred bridge
Is this the cinematic of a guy who like 1v3 a whole party and just gets killed in another trailer and they werent even the antagonist despite having massive aura
Look anyone armored knight who sees armed people and silently does an honorable greeting flourish then throws hands has made aura
tired cairn
Red Orchestra: Damocles Crusade
RO seems like it would fit best for PDF fighting other, traitor PDF lol
pastel rampart
Is this the cinematic of a guy who like 1v3 a whole party and just gets killed i...
I know it's a villain but these guys went from dealing with overwhelming forces, being outmanned, killing demons, vampires, and werewolves to needing to gang up on a single guy with a sword. No special powers. Just a guy in a metal suit that runs on cold rage and most likely skooma.
raven meteor
Is this the cinematic of a guy who like 1v3 a whole party and just gets killed i...
To be fair, they ARE actually the main antagonist of the DLC
He's just very generic looking
charred bridge
Oh I see
What was the trailer for? II remember seeing it but not interested in the game
pastel rampart
Such is the case with most MMOs.
raven meteor
Well, I've actually heard almost wholly good things about ESO, but yeah obviously the fight with him in game is not
That
vital barn
I think my favourite part of that trailer is the fisticuffs
he's cool in all of it but it's especially great when he gets disarmed and then reveals that his hands are rated E for everyone and absolutely destroys the big barbarian guy
ruby token
misty violet
My gut says an AoS Soulslike has gotta have the protagonist be a wannabe Chaos champion. Start as a club wielding Darkoath marauder and work your way up to being a Lord or Sorcerer. Getting resurrected by the Dark Gods for mysterious plot reasons
upper bluff
That would probably be the best way to approach it especially since the chaos gods already separate into nice builds and different stats. We'd even get a dlc rat god upgrade line lol
wide veldt
Give that it’s a 40k game there would be 2 god paths and the other 3 would be DLC
pastel rampart
We were talking about potential AoS games.
wide veldt
We were talking about potential AoS games.
Sorry I meant just like
Warhammer in general
I was just making fun of GW’s video game habits
raven meteor
I feel like given the Big Protagonist Faction come back whenever killed as their big thing, Stormcast Eternal would be a no brainer in that situation
GW loves Pushing The Brand and it'd make some amount of diegetic sense
upper canopy
We have had another life ticked down in Dark Heresy
jaunty dawn
Deathwatch game is just space marine/2 co-op but you all put on black armour
charred bridge
Stormcast Eternals Dynasty Warrior
pine matrix
Deathwatch game is just space marine/2 co-op but you all put on black armour
I forgot space marine 2 had co-op lmao
charred bridge
I've heard about SM2 players who don't just primarily play coop but ive never seen one before
One day I could meet someone who plays SM2 for the PvP mode
main pagoda
theres the deathwing games which can kinda scratch the itch
floral herald
One day I could meet someone who plays SM2 for the PvP mode
I liked SM1 PVP a lot but SM2 doesn’t have the same juice
pastel rampart
Stormcast Eternals Dynasty Warrior
tepid stratus
Haven't read novels with stormcast as the antagonists, yeah they'd fit right into a dynasty Warriors style game
Very "Lu Bu shows up and bodies everything" moments
mental birch
broken dew
duel disk...
pastel rampart
Weird print issue with this macharius.
There was no damn infill here.
Instead it tried to print a layer over open air and then an infill which is ????
broken dew
great success
pastel rampart
I popped it into tinkercad and filled the insides as best I could so now it just prints a straight infill instead of whatever that nonsense was.
broken dew
average Tinkercad W
thin ibex
I liked SM1 PVP a lot but SM2 doesn’t have the same juice
I honestly feel the same, I've been wondering if sm2 is just different or has me being older affected my enjoyment lol. Cause SM1's multiplayer was kind of bare bones but man was it fun. I can't quite get submerged in sm2's pvp
floral herald
It’s just different imo
jaunty dawn
When space marine had a free wekeend and the pvp came alive it was so good
cinder wraith
the new knight profile is making me conflicted
sour sequoia
cinder wraith
beat me to it
thulia ghuld looks good
the new knight can move like 13" minimum and 15" maximum
mental birch
Granny's pep Talk
mental birch
Fusilers arent great
vital barn
Ghuld just passively dismantling vehicles is pretty funny
mental birch
Competing with chickens 🙁
vital barn
it feels like Cawl is a bit more useful though, just because he's got Oath 2
I guess Ghuld can throw hands
cinder wraith
all i know is that the local competitive scene here is going to be abit insufferable for me but thankfully i am not in that scene due to how much try hard sweaty it is
vital barn
I like the beamer variants
marine removal service
not that that was a huge issue to begin with
junior robin
finally, bonsai lieutenant
junior robin
oh no, got another army idea: Brood Angels, a small space marine warband infected by a GSC
soft willow
There’s a canonical chapter that has this happen in one of the Cawl books.
upper bluff
Ok i'm glad my immediate :/ reaction to the antitank skitarii was reasonable
soft willow
The serfs and some of the marines are infected, the Marines use psy-dampeners to fight back against their own connection to the broodlord.
junior robin
perfect to hit all those iron warrior siege weapons camping at the back :v
tired cairn
It is very weird they paired the anti-vehicle secondary with the anti-infantry primary and vice-versa for the new Skitarii infantry
tired cairn
I love situational +1 ap 🙄
Tbf, 10th edition cover rules means it's almost always +1 AP
vital barn
you can also stick a Marshal in the unit, unlike with chickens
so easy full hit rerolls
(I think, anyway, I'm kind of squinting at the statblock image)
tired cairn
Also weird they made the new Knight one data sheet despite being able to do all guns or so stabs. Though I guess they kind of finagled that in with the special rules favoring leaning into maximizing on loadout or the other
tired cairn
(I think, anyway, I'm kind of squinting at the statblock image)
Yeah. Anything that can attach to rangers can attach to them
(I hate how they do that. Please update the other leaders or use keywords better lol)
It's kind of sad Ghuld wants you to just take Skitarii
Poor mechanicus half of the army
vital barn
Ghuld does look like Worse Cawl to me
there's not really anything in there to match his gigantic buffs and you already have a lot of scoot and shoot from other places
Exterminators have AI4+ and Sustained, so stick a Manipulus in there and that's a lot of sustain lethals
or a marshal for accuracy
tired cairn
she has better drip though
soft willow
Also weird they made the new Knight one data sheet despite being able to do all ...
The special rule for melee only is pretty weak on first read since you can still only make attacks with one of the weapons and profiles. I still think a mixed loadout will be most useful.
tired cairn
Oh. Whoops. I forgot about that rule for some reason lmao
soft willow
Same with its shooting rule, it’s good but highly situational, so you’re not terribly incentivized to double even though you can.
sour sequoia
Ghuld does look like Worse Cawl to me
So the other thing we’re waiting on is the detaches, they’ve been splitting stuff to detaches and characters a lot lately for more balancing levers
Thulia is very strong and now ruststalkers don’t need Haloscreed to get advance and charge which is actually huge
Pending points, AdMech has better drukhari scourges disembarking out of cover, getting full hit + wound rerolls on 5 lascannons, then scoot and shooting back into the transport in Hunter Cohort
As ever you need to look at the units in costs and pending all potential combos in an army like AdMech instead of just getting a gold plated turd of damage on a plate like Marines/Death Guard/Knights
sour sequoia
I love situational +1 ap 🙄
They can swing AP-5 ignore cover so you can tell everybody without invulns to go fuck themselves
rocky shale
Plus vehicles are pretty big so they tend to almost always be able to get cover from something
thin ibex
whats the rule with vehicles? at least half can't be seen or is obscured by something else?
sour sequoia
Also if you exist in imperium you get Smoke keyword, half the time they can pop it for free
charred bridge
Reddit
pine matrix
Woah, I thought you'd be up to their like wait at least
broken dew
yeah the uh, Primarchs were large
i can see why people had problems talking with them and shit
thin ibex
imagine that, and then imagine that moving fast, jumping, turning etc; heck imagine that yelling
broken dew
yeah
upper canopy
We can only imagine that because it will never be represented in a visual media
broken dew
lol
pine matrix
Horus wasnt even walking that quick in the trailer
(also I still think Horus speaking in a raspy evil voice in that trailer was lame)
(show me the silver tongued statesman who won over his brothers)
https://youtu.be/-0Se57MuiL8
Everything else in this trailer was peak tho
charred bridge
It makes gullimom more and Lotarra goated as they squared up to Primarchs and called them out
With that size difference
pine matrix
True
pine matrix
Angron: "How's my ship doing?"
Lotara: "You mean my ship. And we're doing just fine."
What a queen
jaunty dawn
Why rangers when hestarii are clearly heavy vanguard
I dont think it even makes a difference but thats more reason to just go with vanguard
Oh wild the leader gets the gun despite not having one
floral herald
Built like an APC thulia ghuld is
How does she have all of that Tau melee???
wide veldt
Her melee is p great looking actually
jaunty dawn
Rod of the war forge is a name
wide veldt
Oh my god her microwave gun is pretty fucking nasty tho
thin ibex
looking at the knight destrier, what's its niche exactly?
floral herald
Her melee is p great looking actually
No no ||the joke is that tau melee is ass||
thin ibex
are they supposed to be maybe a cheaper melee option? or just in general a bit of a faster mover?
rapidfire d6+3 is very silly but i like it
jaunty dawn
The ramjet rule is so underwhelming looll
But yeah the point cost is kinda everything
jaunty dawn
The shooting is all assault which I think might be something
thin ibex
D3 extra move and all assault might be something yeah
wide veldt
No no ||the joke is that tau melee is ass||
LMAO
Okay that was p good
I was honestly more referring to the fact that her stat line is like
Really stacked
For a commander type and not a combat monster
jaunty dawn
Cawl used to be really good idk about 10e
But just cause he had a power fist and a power axe and 2d6 mechadendrite attacks and used all of them every time
rocky shale
Yeah I expected a jump knight lol
It does still have super heavy walker
And IK does have a detachment with access to advance and charge
So like 12"+D3+D6+2D6 threat range
upper canopy
Also
Dark Heresy bit
we found out Dark Eldar guns aren't actually just lasguns
as a single Kabalite warrior's one semi-auto shot took off one of our warband's ear and arm
Hilariously this was right after she shot another kabalite warrior twice in the legs (one for each leg)
dense sedge
Aeldari weapons are scary
I was watching a play on arena game and a space marine list that crushed a gsc list that was a finalist last tourney by having terminators they couldn’t deal with; the drukhari had no such issues
A ten man kabalite squad killed a termie on a shooting phase
past sphinx
Love the pose
the raiders kit is really good
runic swallow
Oh is that the new maelstrom dudes?
runic swallow
Nice
past sphinx
also mk5 pads
but only mk7 and corvus heads nothing weirder
but they are badab boys so understandable
runic swallow
Bad(ab) boys, Bad(ab) boys, whatcha gonna do
past sphinx
their gonna board an imperial military frigate and be killed one by one by a semi competent squad of guardsmen thats what
runic swallow
love anything in a chainsword scabbard
The crossbody holster is also a hell of a look
paper bluff
we found out Dark Eldar guns aren't actually just lasguns
Nah, they aren't lasguns. i think it's a flanchette round designed to cause pain
runic swallow
It’s solidified poison pushed by a laser iirc?
Like crystals of poison that debilitate (leaving potential for capture) or kill
mental birch
Xenos - Aeldari - Corsair Coterie
Kharseth (95pts)
Prince Yriel (130pts): Archraider, Warlord
5x Corsair Voidreavers (65pts)
5x Corsair Voidreavers (65pts)
10x Corsair Voidreavers (110pts)
10x Corsair Voidreavers (110pts)
5x Corsair Skyreavers (75pts)
5x Corsair Skyreavers (75pts)
Starfangs (75pts)
Starfangs (75pts)
Wave Serpent (125pts): Twin Shuriken Catapult, Twin Shuriken Cannon
My current army tjought
For 1k
pastel rampart
Dreamforge Games 15mm Leviathan (long since out of print).
This came with a bunch of tiny screws and a screwdriver which was a goddamn first.
rocky shale
Xenos - Aeldari - Corsair Coterie
Kharseth (95pts)
Prince Yriel (130pts): Archr...
Pure Corsairs is gonna be rough if you need to kill a decently tough vehicle or monster
mental birch
Pure Corsairs is gonna be rough if you need to kill a decently tough vehicle or ...
Yea
🙁
Is it fine within the limits of pure corsairs or what am i dropping for like
Anti tanm
Tank
jaunty dawn
Are bright lance vypers anything
rocky shale
Is it fine within the limits of pure corsairs or what am i dropping for like
None of the corsair detachments really require you to have all corsairs, coterie even less than raiders.
rocky shale
Are bright lance vypers anything
Now that they also have an missile launcher they're kinda OK, but for 10 more points I'd take a much better war walker
The -1 to hit on vypers isn't nearly as helpful as +1 AP army wide (and a second bright lance instead of the missile)
jaunty dawn
Yeah that makes sense
rocky shale
Just like basically any other list, you're gonna want either a pile of bright lances, some fire dragons, or 2-3 fire prisms to solve your tank problems
mental birch
None of the corsair detachments really require you to have all corsairs, coterie...
Yeah fair this is meant to be a thematic list
At 2k the intent is to add the 2 units of fire dragons to cause provmems
little bay
turtle
rocky shale
Huh?
little bay
i'll let you figure this out
pastel rampart
Or you could just explain it.
mental birch
So yeah this is like a scoring nonsense xore
little bay
what?
pastel rampart
Vagueposting about models and list building is poor form and generally frowned upon. It's also not really fun to anyone but the person doing it.
little bay
understandable
mental birch
Scoring nonsese list re the list i posted earlier
I assume its too clever, not enough solid anvil?
little bay
I assume its too clever, not enough solid anvil?
Aegis rose below
mental birch
Aegis rose?
little bay
aegis arising pattern ivory
floral herald
Ok this bit went stale
little bay
fuck this glossia stuff
floral herald
Or you could just not do it
little bay
understandable
rocky shale
I assume its too clever, not enough solid anvil?
Aeldari don't really get an anvil most of the time.
You use trading pieces and objective trickery
floral herald
Your best bet is what, AoK or wraith constructs?
rocky shale
AoK by far
A guardian blob with warlocks can also be a fake anvil by sheer weight of bodies with 5++ and -1 to wound that you can replenish in guardian battle host
floral herald
Huh weeeird
rocky shale
Gbh has a 1cp strat to return a guardian blob to reserves and return every destroyed guardian model to it.
So once you get down to 1-2 left you just pop it back to full
mental birch
You use trading pieces and objective trickery
Fair but the list i posted lacks like tank removal then right?
rocky shale
Fair but the list i posted lacks like tank removal then right?
Yeah, you have some blasters that wound on 5s,a couple wraithcannons potentially, and like 2 fusion guns
Def give the wave serpent a bright lance
mental birch
Sure 🙂
rocky shale
Then maybe drop something for 5 dragons or a war walker or something
rocky shale
At 1k there shouldn't be a huge quantity of tanks so you can supplement with grenades too
mental birch
nods trying to figure what to drop
Like the current way its set up i'm leaning on primo jank
Like pirates due with lance nonsense
main pagoda
the fire prism is just so good for its point cost
not sure if it would fit the theme tho
rocky shale
It's fairly good but it's been solidly worse than fire dragons for basically the whole edition
Now that dragons are super expensive they're more appealing
sour sequoia
fire prisms can slam ctan a lil more reliably since they got the str 18 and long range
that's part of the calculation
fire dragons need to drop out transport, asplode for SURE, and then get back in or they'll just pop like balloons
mental birch
I'm building for theme lol
main pagoda
how would the harly skimmer stack in theme wise
i found quite good abit swingy but good enough for 1k
rocky shale
fire prisms can slam ctan a lil more reliably since they got the str 18 and long...
The main reasons they've been sidelined since the codex is losing 1 shot from linked fire and losing the detachment rerolls so they went from crazy reliable and safe to losing half their damage output in linked fire and whiffing into 3+ wound rolls and invulns too often.
Precodex they were hot shit because you could linked fire 2 shots then fire and fade the one you poked out to shoot
sour sequoia
Hey wait did they straight lose linked fire
rocky shale
No, it's just 1 shot instead of 2 when linked
And you can't linked the 2d6 shot blast profile
Fire dragons were ideal for the knights meta because they have huge damage output and can vaporize a couple targets before they can do anything.
Prisms can't survive trading shots with anything that can survive one turn and shoot them back because T9 3+ no invuln
Which is sad because they look so cool
rocky shale
Hey wait did they straight lose linked fire
pastel rampart
pastel rampart
The forge world has almost completed the Macharius.
mental birch
little bay
corsairs
paper bluff
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/735679742048469082/1486434327268167972/AQ...
"The avenging son robote guilliman on his journey to replace the old high lords of terra M41.000"
charred bridge
Can't wait for the next episode of Gorillaman has an aneurysms and it's not the Jokaro (again)
stark cypress
Jokaro are funny
Techno monkey make good stuff
Also, this Summer, when I have my hobby time back.
I'm gonna buy some Bulldog and Grognard kits from Atlantic.
tardy vault
Daughters of Khaine battletome leaked
Morathi lost her 3 damage per turn passive
but in return got bullshit amounts of healing, recursion, and fuck you mobility
thin ibex
What was morathi's lore? Didn't she like... join with/ split into a god or something?
quaint compass
Snatched Khaine's iron heart from his divine corpse and now funnels all the worship that goes towards him into herself
Claims to work to bring him back to life, and works heavily to tie worship of Khaine into worship of her too. Such as taking the name Morathi-Khaine and exterminating all the dissenting cults (with like two of them still scraping by per current lore)
broken dew
snatched Kaela Mensha Khaine's entire flow
finite compass
Khaine Flow just makes me think like
"Took a sip of the Jose, everything went red for eight minutes. Woke up in Hag Narr. Dammit, I did it again."
tardy vault
Claims to work to bring him back to life, and works heavily to tie worship of Kh...
She actually merged with Khaine at this point
The splitting of her soul was part of that whole thing
quaint compass
Ah
tardy vault
Because she hesitated before eating her first husband and he cut her in half
upper canopy
I am still pretty upset about that tbh
tardy vault
But yeah, the new tome has a lot more interesting build options
upper canopy
Khaine is too cool to just kill off permanently
quaint compass
From what Lexicanum says, Grombrindal may have some shards of Khaine's heart which Morathi could not claim
broken dew
yeah axing Khaine for Morathi isn't my favourite
quaint compass
Obviously, this means the Avatar of Khaine will be added to Fyreslayers
runic swallow
Either that or they repo’ed the chair from the dude
pastel rampart
broken dew
Calgar Sororitas...
dense sedge
Damage control concept art
floral herald
wait is there a stream or something?
floral herald
such is the power of nagash
dense sedge
Guy in the audience yelled ‘get a tech priest’
floral herald
oh my gosh space strykers
pastel rampart
floral herald
he's back n greener than ever
broken dew
Orks getting nothing but the sickest looking things
pastel rampart
Good luck with line of sight, idiot
floral herald
hehehe
pastel rampart
floral herald
ahhh I remember it now
pastel rampart
floral herald
I like this a lot more than the old half track
pastel rampart
Way better looking, yeah
broken dew
That's entirely too reasonable looking lol
it feels a bit off and you've put into words how
broken dew
it looks way too normal and sensible
floral herald
I do like power fist commissars
broken dew
we do love a good power fist
floral herald
heh
Looks like a space version of this which is a very silly looking armored car
oh my god
fuck yes
still warren
A salute to inquistor Kyle
pastel rampart
Could the audio get any quieter
floral herald
lol yeah I can't hear shit
pastel rampart
jfc just hire a couple vtubers to run your livestream
dense sedge
Kroyle is neat
past sphinx
holy shit thats baller
big fan of the light tank
also a traight up halftrack
big W on the character vehicle
pastel rampart
Red Terror ayyy
floral herald
YOOO
dense sedge
Lots of tech issues tonight
floral herald
augh for the kill team fuck
I liked the look of both of em
I love these cadian commandos and I love commando gaunts
pastel rampart
marsh tree
specters should have been tanith >:(
tired cairn
Oh sick. I hope the Red Terror can still eat people
finite compass
specters should have been tanith >:(
Or Catachans
marsh tree
YESSSS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PERFECT
marsh tree
Oh sick. I hope the Red Terror can still eat people
they mentioned regeneration from consumed biomass, so my guess is yes
tired cairn
Huh, I was not expecting it for kill team
hardy harness
Do you lot think a Steeljack is roundabouts equivalent to Terminator armor in terms of how tanky they are
hardy harness
They're described as being tankier than a Thunderkyn, which I feel puts them on par with a Hearthguard
And Hearthguard exo-armor is comparable to Terminator Armor
So I feel it's not a huge leap
marsh tree
I’ve been reading the articles
I screamed “OH MY GOD” at least thirty times when I saw the new Gargants
upper canopy
wait, new gargants?
rocky shale
The cogfort has me drooling
tardy vault
the cogfort is fucking nuts
marsh tree
I know!
floral herald
oh wow
hardy harness
Good lord
thin ibex
Is that a cities of sigmar mech
pastel rampart
tranquil ivy
WE GET ACTUALLY CUSTOMIZABLE INTERCESSORS THAT DON'T JUST WEAR MKX
oh my god finally
finite compass
pastel rampart
Mmmh...not really a fan of that look, it's too Krieg.
But then that's just concept art so who knows what the models will look like.
upper canopy
Those guys do look very similar tbf
pastel rampart
tranquil ivy
also i didnt realise we were getting vanvets at first until i realised Jump Pack Intercessors don't get Power Swords
pastel rampart
Steel Legion have some differences from Krieg and this feels more like an overlap of the two.
Which I suppose in a meta way is a little funny given their origins and all.
tranquil ivy
i hope we get a new tac squad sometime
i know i know, im basic as fuck but oh my god i love my space marines :>
upper bluff
So steel legion confirmed?
pastel rampart
Yup.
upper bluff
That's good
pastel rampart
But probably like 2 years out.
upper bluff
Also don't mean to be a negative Nancy but wth is this force pack lol
Like that's just the kill team and a vehicle
Anyways there's some cool reveals that new Inquisitor is awesome
upper canopy
The trailer sure was Bolterslop
mental birch
Like that's just the kill team and a vehicle
it's 2 kill teams sqidward
(Trying to riff on the with cheese bit from spongebob)
upper bluff
Yo that's awesome
valid brook
Callback pose and everything
stark cypress
valid brook
oh that rips crazy style
upper bluff
Nemesis are those neutral enemies that interrupt both sides, right?
upper bluff
The new red death looks rad
valid brook
not a fan of the Steel Legion concept art tbh, too much removed from my beloved metal SL
finite compass
I'm mildly annoyed that it's more Cadians
But still Red Terror
And the models look nice
stark cypress
Oh
finite compass
I'm totally yoinking the new vehicles
stark cypress
I want something different besides Cadians.
Like it would be funny, though annoying, if they do a limited time Kill Team of Indentured or the Maccabian Janissary's.
rocky shale
Also don't mean to be a negative Nancy but wth is this force pack lol
Its 2 kill teams and a vehicle*
humble plover
""2"" kill teams
finite compass
Give updates to some of the classics
I would give away various body parts if it meant plastic Mordians
stark cypress
I would give both my eyes if they bring back the Bulldog's.
Or, or if they make the Chemdogs.
Like, for fucks sake, I know the reason why.
But they have so many other guard regiments they can make.
And yet it either is space WW2 Britain, Rambo, or Fatalistic All Quiet On The Western Front.
runic swallow
Cadians are more Cold War Mishmash
stark cypress
I see
but my point still stands
They have a rich universe but they keep it to oldies.
Why do the Cadians still get stuff even though their planet blew up.
runic swallow
Because full new model lines are expensive to spool up
stark cypress
True
runic swallow
And they have it because Cadians are the standard guard kit, they’re the ones everyone patterns off of if they don’t have their own weird thing going one
upper canopy
Cadians are generic guardsmen yeah
runic swallow
They’re the Multicam and AR pattern rifles of the 41st millennium
dense sedge
Or, or if they make the Chemdogs.
I love the chem dogs
stark cypress
They’re the Multicam and AR pattern rifles of the 41st millennium
Bring back ma Laslocks.
I mean I could do that with Sigmar
upper canopy
I will be real, unless they are doing that for every faction, I'm fine with specific factions not also having entire other factions nestled inside them
it's already lame the Marines get it
floral herald
""2"" kill teams
It's actually really hard to make all options for DW without 2 boxes so it's nice for them
Just sell the plane I guess
Huh 11e sounds interesting
spice flicker
Well since the new Armageddon launch box coming in June, I am thinking it would probably be best to hang my hat on the idea of starting up one last crusade with friends before the edition was over. Was hoping to have more time but looks like I dont.
dense sedge
I wonder howmylti detachments will work
Pick two is generally a system I find compelling though so I’m very interested
humble plover
It's actually really hard to make all options for DW without 2 boxes so it's nic...
yeah exactly, tis why I'm hesitant to accept calling it two kill teams
tired cairn
fast dice rolling for dealing damage
I wonder what this means?
dense siren
they made rolling all dice in a step at once the default in the rules
which is what everyone did anyways
tired cairn
Right, but the reason you couldn't do that for damage before was because of how variable damage and multi-wound models interacted
I wonder if it means the attacker rolls damage and gets to apply damage in an optimal way
dense siren
oooooooooo
forgot about that
also it hasn't been mentioned yet but the new "units in terrain are hidden until they shoot or are within 15" of an enemy" is neat
tired cairn
It is funny to me they took a world famous for an IG regiment and made it about Space Marines
dense siren
yeah lol
12e is gonna be a salamanders-focused crusade on catachan
trust
another 30 years before we get new jungle fighters
brittle salmon
It is funny to me they took a world famous for an IG regiment and made it about ...
I regret to inform you Armageddon was always about space marines first
sour sequoia
I wonder if it means the attacker rolls damage and gets to apply damage in an op...
I actually gotta imagine it means damage rollover
Its just AoS resolution on all these things
tired cairn
Hmm, not sure how I feel about that. I like how AT weapons work in that they can't kill multiple models. But maybe only some weapons will spill over
brittle salmon
Yeah I don't want that to be sincere
sour sequoia
Yeah I don't want that to be sincere
I sentence you to fifteen games of playing into 20 iron hands terminators/victrix guard/custodes/death guard
brittle salmon
I do not want 40k to be even more lethal when it's ballooned this much
sour sequoia
There’s like seven armies right now that might actually have to learn how to play the game if they do this lmao I almost wouldn’t mind this even as it annihilates the army I play
You can tone down lethality a lot when units are actually balanced to die instead of no-selling 90% of the game like ctan and those terminator/custodes bricks
Contrary to belief of knights and custodes players it is not fun for your opponent to sit there and fling 90% of their army at one unit to just sit and pray for 4++ or get cored
tired cairn
I think this is a problem with the design of those armies. Though it is hard to fix (for knights in particular anyways)
Wait, how does multidamage cascading help with this problem though?
That should mostly help if horde armies were dominate right?
rocky shale
I actually gotta imagine it means damage rollover
There's no way they could do something like damage rollover while old codecies are still valid
spice flicker
Wasn't Armageddon originally Ullanor from the great crusade?
rocky shale
Did we not learn anything from wraithknights
sour sequoia
Wait, how does multidamage cascading help with this problem though?
FnPs or -1 damage cause you to lose one damage, instead of six. Fire damage 3 weapon into 3 wound supertermie, one fnp made, he has six wounds in effect now
rocky shale
Contrary to belief of knights and custodes players it is not fun for your oppone...
Ermmmm actually knights have a 5++ except for the lancer
desert jay
Did we not learn anything from wraithknights
I think it'd be a little different if it was universal and not something with wildly different levels of army access
sour sequoia
It’s really fucking pronounced when you’re dealing with -1 to hit -1 to wound -1 damage armor of contempt ass marines units with 3-4 wounds lol
rocky shale
I highly doubt the fast dice thing is actually going to be a meaningful change so much as GW just recognizing that people use it in the rules
Cover being -1 to hit is either going to be an amazing change or the worst change ever
Oath of Moment existing makes me think the latter
tired cairn
FnPs or -1 damage cause you to lose one damage, instead of six. Fire damage 3 we...
I can see it helping for elite health stuff a bit, yeah.
tired cairn
I highly doubt the fast dice thing is actually going to be a meaningful change s...
I don't think people fast roll damage right now?
tired cairn
Cover being -1 to hit is either going to be an amazing change or the worst chang...
RIP orks losing half their shooting DPR 🙃
tired cairn
I can see it helping for elite health stuff a bit, yeah.
Though I think you can fix it other ways. Like not giving those buffs so liberally or giving access to multiple of them stacking lol
rocky shale
I don't think people fast roll damage right now?
Not damage but that's because you can't per the rules
tired cairn
Right, but the article mentions fast rolling damage explicitly
rocky shale
Ohhh
Yeah that's kinda wierd given that it would only apply when using d3/D6 guns
It could still be just "roll your 5 d6s for giant pile of lascannons and then apply in the order you want" and still not be damage pooling
And it would be fast rolling
tired cairn
I would be fine with that. Though I'd also be fine with just getting rid of d3 damage weapons because they are annoying lol
D6 damage weapons are less likely to have the volume to matter
Though the note about fast rolling damage is in the paragraph about melee, so it'd be funny and a bit bizarre if it was cascading damage only for the fight phase
upper canopy
Oh huh
Ork Boyz are no longer sluggas and shootas
Theyre just boyz and boyz have both
mental birch
And now we have a tabletop depiction of Ambull's.
Always have came out in 8e
mental birch
Cover being -1 to hit is either going to be an amazing change or the worst chang...
T'au getting ignore cover built into the army rule makes it very funny
main pagoda
So BA Vs orks starter box
jaunty dawn
Oops was posting in indie
Wazdakka looks crazy
For some reason the angle they chose for the main picture looks like its photoshopped lol
Too many tangents
Commisar graves is cool, the centaur is cool but Im sad that its reusing the centaur name
But redesigning the tauros to be a half track works really well with the new cadia designs
The hippogriff scout car is funni and I like it
Red terror looks Awesome
Spectre squad Im also very into. I do get wanting an alternate regiment but I think having a generic light infantry squad will be great and they came out pretty amazing
Kill team nemesis sounds cool theoretically
Oooh solar auxilia mole mortar rapiersss
Cogforts exceed expectations theyre amazing
Awww the gate gargants are fun
Ooh freeguild grenadiers are cool
But yeah hate to see it but looks like dwarf/elf cities is dead
Ogryns and gargants are nice at least
The spearhead idea is nice and eshin look awesome
New boyz are really cool
pale narwhal
Commisar graves is a really neat model
might pick her up just to add to my inquisition warband for inq28
broken dew
that's so cool
main pagoda
But yeah hate to see it but looks like dwarf/elf cities is dead
Yeah they killed them for TOW
brittle salmon
considering playing them required you to buy models old enough to drink that have been out of print for about as long, I'm fine with that
main pagoda
It's a relic of 1e tbh, I'm just waiting for them to axe all the DE so they can finally come back to TOW
runic iron
Just saw the new AFVs very cool, i really like them and i think the box set is a good start
pine matrix
Those walking forts might get me get into AoS, they fucking rock
still warren
I've definitely been eyeing CoS since the fussiliers came out, think this might push me to start building them
Also the new grenadiers for me are the sleeper hit
marsh tree
mfw Cities of Sigmar get a Titan before Dark Eldar
marsh tree
Is that a cities of sigmar mech
Basically
marsh tree
And now we have a tabletop depiction of Ambull's.
They were originally in Blackstone Fortress
marsh tree
I'm mildly annoyed that it's more Cadians
I agree. This would have been a perfect opportunity for Catachan SS
marsh tree
Yeah they killed them for TOW
Never say never. We’ve still got the Ironweld Arsenal refresh
floral herald
Oh it’s just this
Why would Deldar have a titan haha, CoS seems like a likely faction to get a Fort Knight
main pagoda
Never say never. We’ve still got the Ironweld Arsenal refresh
No as in the current kits get removed from aos ported to TOW with square bases
marsh tree
This is true
But I think we have a chance of seeing dwarves and elves
My tinfoil hat theory is that it’ll be like Dark Eldar with three main sub factions
main pagoda
As new kits yes maybe
marsh tree
y’all will have to be racist for now 😔
also I can’t wait for the jade and amber Battlemages
still warren
Sigmar delfs probably get a new faction range for Malerion
marsh tree
literally just Daughters of Khaine sub factions
main pagoda
Just put them out soon so I can mald at DE being broken in fantasy again
marsh tree
darkling need to go
I like scourge privateers, though
Also we got new Gargoylians
The ogre and giant models make me hopeful that they won’t become just all human
still warren
Think they'll have a more traditionally dwarfs faction "returning to their holds" even with two other dwarf factions?
marsh tree
Three
still warren
Think there's been rumors of that
main pagoda
I'm all for combining them with fyreslayers, fyreslayers just need a bit of variety
quaint compass
Fyreslayers is the unfortunate outcome of trying to make a distinct faction out of the Fantasy dwarfs but not wanting to make "Standard" Dwarfs. Kharadrons are gyrocopters and engineers, so there's more space as a theme.
pine matrix
And trying to make a faction out of just slayers seems like a fools errand, kinda "this is the most popular part of this faction, so we can just lose the rest of the faction, right?"
quaint compass
They're cool and distinct because there's something to stick-out from
They're the goths of dwarfdom
Dress wierdly, have weird goals, but you gotta respect them once you hear them out
Honestly, they should've tied Rangers into the NuSlayer faction
pine matrix
Yeah, you need the rest of the dwarves to be goth from! It'd be like if they scrapped all other space marines other than Black Templars and Blood Angels
"What if I don't want guys with broadswords or vampires?"
"Sorry, we don't sell those here"
quaint compass
Those who eschew armor and fortresses, not because they don't work, but because innovation has to come from tradition and not just technology. While the Kharadron adapted to the changing world by raising their holds high up, the Slayrangers adapted by forsaking anything but what they can hold.
The stone of the World-That-Was could not protect them, so Grimnir ensured that they will not need it to survive. The wisdom the traveling ancestor means they choose the stone that stands this day. Their holds is what they have. The venerable chiefs, those who have picked burrs out of their grey beard for longer than you've been alive, know the nomad rune-routes to travel safely.
And when faced with an obstacle, the ruin-speaker strides forth, tells the tale of ruin which befell their ancestors, and such tragedy befalls the obstacle as well.
No stones shall ever fail to safekeep a dwarf again.
thin ibex
The biggest problem with the slayer faction is that the whole army kind of looks like the same unit
Not their lore i think
quaint compass
One informs the other imo
thin ibex
Informs sure, but I think from a visual design point of view, more variation was an option even considering the lore
quaint compass
It's a darling they've yet to kill. Slayers identity is tied to their appearance, which limits how they can look and what they can wear.
So to remain Slayers, Fyreslayers need to be more naked than clothed, no concealing armor pieces, mohawks, and avoiding most ranged weaponry.
As I'm not too invested into AoS as I'd actually want to be, I'm probably very wrong about some assumptions regarding stuff they do as units, but they had a very limiting amount of features from the getgo.
Don't disagree at all however
Just that they needed to make them more than Slayers that are On Fire from the outset
marsh tree
quaint compass
Love the Gargles
marsh tree
gargoylians are my favorite
floral herald
I’m looking closely at the new Spectre Squad kill team and hmm
These are very Tanith lol
Camo cloaks, light crew served anti tank
quaint compass
Cadia, First and Only
marsh tree
That's what I was saying!
quaint compass
YE
marsh tree
they really are just white-label Tanith
Krieg, Cadia, Tempestus, and now Tanith
what's next
though I do understand why they're doing this from a rules perspective
Tanith's First and Only is a regiment on its last legs, and with the way Guard seems to be pivoting towards regimental synergy, it would be annoying to have just two Tanith units, one of which is a named character
spice flicker
I was about to start a new crusade for some friends but now that only 2-2.5 months remain of 10th edition, I am unsure if I should or not. What do you guys think: go ahead and start the crusade and enjoy it while 10th edition lasts and until I get the crusade rules for 11th edition or just wait for a few months and start fresh with 11th?
thin ibex
depends on how long your crusade is intended to run; all the dexes will stay valid through, and itll just mean you're crusading in 10th edition instead of 11th
quaint compass
Ye
thin ibex
chances are it'll take a while before 11th crusade rules come out in earnest
marsh tree
You should be fine
quaint compass
At worst, you'll have fun with your friends for 2 months in 10th, and then you'll have to have fun with your friends in 11th.
floral herald
Tanith's First and Only is a regiment on its last legs, and with the way Guard s...
Yeah “thematically very tanith common guard” is better for a generic unit for sure imo
pastel rampart
And also if you somehow still have Tanith models you have rules that can properly reflect them.
marsh tree
I feel like if GW released a kit that's just gargoylians for decoration or basing material it would still sell
quaint compass
GIMME
pastel rampart
They kinda did with the old Cities of Death kits, as that came with a load of gargoyles and other decorations.
Alas they stopped selling it for...reasons, I guess.
marsh tree
they should make a kit that's just a bunch of skrunklies for the various factions
Snotlings, Gargoylians, Servo-Skulls, Spites, etc
spice flicker
Screw it ill just hit the ground running and start the crusade sooner than planned to get more time for it running.
pastel rampart
Haha Macharius go brrrrrrrrrrrt
marsh tree
needs more skrunklies
pastel rampart
Still gotta print out the sponsons and the other turret but otherwise close to done.
junior robin
soo like, did they reveal what the green skull cog aquilla was about in the stream, because I cant see anything about it on the site? 🤔
sour sequoia
Potentially the veteran guard KT, but nothing else explicit
spice flicker
In 10th would you say that world eaters or custodes were better in melee?
main pagoda
Bias but I'd say WE
tired cairn
Right now hopefully WE since that's basically all they do
Early tenth it was Custodes because of easy fights first lol
sour sequoia
Varies by patch. Currently custodes who have nothing else and fare slightly better into ctan
Previously honestly world eaters, who have genuinely fantastic shooting pressure on top of it they’re not a onetrick army if you’re not a moron
spice flicker
A 10 man WE berserker squad in the berzerker warband detachment with 2 eviscerators can do 40 S6 AP1 D1 attacks and 8 S10 AP2 D2 attacks. You can also potentially give them sustained hits 1, lethal hits, or devastating wounds if you're lucky with the blessings. Seems kinda hard to beat.
sour sequoia
Forgefiends, terminators, land raiders have crazy impact and the incoming defiler is WILD for them especially if it gets worl eatas rapidfire 2 every gun
spice flicker
Surprised my friend running DE once when a berserker squad got close enough to successfully charge a tantalus and killed it in one turn.
sour sequoia
A 10 man WE berserker squad in the berzerker warband detachment with 2 eviscerat...
Zerks+kharn and zerks+Master of Executions will punch up into anything not a T10 vehicle or monster in the game real good
desert jay
Poorhammer just did a WE meme list too that was built around buckets of shooty dice
sour sequoia
The idea that World Eaters is 100% melee only is mostly on the backs of a specific kind of goon at tournaments running “Lore Accurate” YT meme world eaters
spice flicker
Forgefiends, terminators, land raiders have crazy impact and the incoming defile...
Foregfiends and LR are fun with WE from my experience...so long as im not up against a list that brought 3 of the DE bombers and 2 fighters.
sour sequoia
More power to the goons but they dont get to complain lol full plasma forgefiends go fucking crazy
desert jay
Unfortunately they were maximizing attacks so that list’s effectiveness is based entirely on how vulnerable your enemies are to bolter fire
paper bluff
Welcome back inquisitor Karamazov
sour sequoia
I think its a full dinner plate, too big
thin ibex
It's kind of funny that WE, generally phrased as a melee faction, but shoot pretty well all things considered, and in volume. Makes me feel a certain way about ork shooting, which is also high volume, but not super good
junior robin
if only we could get lore accurate WE shootyness 
desert jay
WE, despite everything, are still spess mehreens
finite compass
Also your periodic reminder that Objectively Best World Eaters Canon Character uses a heavy bolter
pine matrix
Suns out, Guns out
sour sequoia
It's kind of funny that WE, generally phrased as a melee faction, but shoot pret...
Listen the only orks unit I respect is flash gitz their shooting is legit
Also the fucking killa rig. Wurrtower is absurd
desert jay
I think best WE canon character is Flag Captain Lotara Sarrin
finite compass
Not technically a World Eater though
Though Lheor is also technically former World Eater considering he's a founding Black Legion member
sour sequoia
Also the fucking killa rig. Wurrtower is absurd
Casual torrent lascannon
You ever seen a leman russ explode on overwatch
charred bridge
I think best WE canon character is Flag Captain Lotara Sarrin
It was nice of her to let Angron use her ship for his sons
finite compass
I still love Kommandos and want to eventually do a Blood Axe themed army
I have a mental image of a Warboss in like a Gen. Patton helmet slumped down over his eyes and chomping on a cigar
spice flicker
Honestly the new light vehicles for guard look like a nest way to provide some more variety to mechanised infantry lists. If the tauros can survive in legends then things could get interesting.
Struggle against heavy vehicles i bet but tons of maneuverability and shots.
hollow laurelBOT
dense sedge
shame we haven't got another karamazov model but new guy is great
spice flicker
With legends you could take both and claim its "take your daughter to work day."
raven meteor
Soon we will have lady ministorum priest, lady arcoflaggelant, and the cooties outbreak will finally be contained,
runic swallow
I just like to think the SoB’s repo’ed it from Karamazov, dude wasn’t paying his bills
jaunty dawn
The new characters throne has a different name
Hers is the throne of blame, karamazov's the throne of judgement
Implying theres a set of them
runic swallow
Oh interesting
paper bluff
Hers is the throne of blame, karamazov's the throne of judgement
Who is the tech priest out there making bespoke Thrones for people
quaint compass
Archmagos Walter Closette, of course
sour sequoia
Who is the tech priest out there making bespoke Thrones for people
Whoever that heresy mech guy with the fuckass palanquin is, probably
Draykavac, yeah
little bay
what use is this fucking device
vital barn
it makes your average archmagos as tough as a dreadnought and lets him give his units free reactive moves
little bay
that isn't even a device that's a doohickey
vital barn
really good wargear
vital barn
Draykavac himself is really fun because his special power is the Joestar secret technique
little bay
Draykavac himself is really fun because his special power is the Joestar secret ...
i see
vital barn
at any point on your turn he can make an int test to book it and just delete himself from the board and not award any victory points
little bay
at any point on your turn he can make an int test to book it and just delete him...
damn
seen sbr yet?
i liked it
vital barn
so you use him as bait, tank on his absurdly durable abs and then just warp him out before the enemy actually gets Slay the Warlord
and no, I have not
little bay
it's good
little bay
so you use him as bait, tank on his absurdly durable abs and then just warp him ...
cool
which dreadnought is your favorite?
personally brutalis
vital barn
Heresy, so el classico boxnaught
they're just good
cheap, cheerful, pleasantly derpy
little bay
may i see an image?
floral herald
Boxnaught bestnaught
broken dew
that's a Leviathan
little bay
damn he's cool
runic swallow
Love leviathans
broken dew
Leviathans are cool
but the Contemptor is unmatched
cool enough even the Custodes use em
little bay
yes
pine matrix
How do people feel about them getting rid of circular objectives? I've not really played 10th but it seems a bit odd to just go to terrain now
little bay
so which weapons do you put on it?
pine matrix
Just glad I didn't print off some 3D objectives markers
little bay
personally i put two meltas two boltguns two powerfists and an anti airgun
broken dew
it's just goated
little bay
it's just goated
especially the characters in the books from what i heard "this death is ours"
main pagoda
How do people feel about them getting rid of circular objectives? I've not reall...
i fuck with it, its a nice change and feels abit more idk fluff?
broken dew
🙏
little bay
goodbye for now
remote wharf
TAKE THAT SMURFS, MY SAD ANGEL BOYS TURN.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ctdexme4/warhammer-40000-the-new-edition-is-revealed-at-adepticon-preview-2026/
floral herald
How do people feel about them getting rid of circular objectives? I've not reall...
Good change
main pagoda
it's just goated
still think the legion specific sarcophagus they did was some of the best modelling FW ever did for 1e heresy
broken dew
looks cool
main pagoda
not sure how well they work with the new plastic ones but cant imagine any issues
jaunty dawn
You have to do some offbook modification but its extremely doable and there was zero need to discontinue them
main pagoda
You have to do some offbook modification but its extremely doable and there was ...
they aren't discontinued?
jaunty dawn
Oh holdup
jaunty dawn
they aren't discontinued?
This is what he is supposed to look like
The bodies which remain in production are just a part swap with the plastic
But to mix a resin shoulder with a plastic arm requires a tiny amount of cutting of the plastic so they got rid of everything but the body
broken dew
great success
pastel rampart
main pagoda
This is what he is supposed to look like
oh you meant the full body contemptor yeah its weird esp since they have kept the full body levis
thin ibex
any predictions on what niche the half track will have?
main pagoda
battlebus me thinks
thin ibex
im imagining less tough, less wounds than a chimera, no armament; maybe a good rule and a firing deck?
prolly wont fill the same role as a taurox etiher
main pagoda
its got a heavy stubber only seemingly so its gonna be relying on the firing deck to kill things but i imagine it will be quite fast
thin ibex
im a fan of it conceptually as enjoying light mechanized lists
but yeah curious as to what niche it has
main pagoda
cheap and fast probably, might be good with scions/flamer squads
thin ibex
man, chimeras be dirt cheap already, that might be wild.
mybe limited capacity, like command squad only or something
or hvy wpns team
tepid stratus
I'm expecting better speed and carrying capacity
sour sequoia
Kasrkin and scion squads honestly will drop a lot of fire with even a little bit of firing deck
thin ibex
maybe its special rule will be an interaction with its firing deck abilities
main pagoda
i dont imagine it will have a bigger carrying capacity than a chimera
but i think this might hearld a chimera buff indirectly
i hope we get a weapon platform varient
misty violet
any predictions on what niche the half track will have?
Even cheaper and more cheerful Chimera, I suppose
Honestly it feels like it's liable to be essentially wargear for a squad of Guardsmen at that point, rather than an independent vehicle, but that's kind of a hilarious concept in itself
jaunty dawn
Firing deck and reembark or quick disembark
pastel rampart
wide veldt
This…. This isn’t real right
misty violet
If only it was
wide veldt
When will doom rider be back
charred bridge
Why isnt it blue?
pastel rampart
Cuz red ones go faster, even Calgar knows this.
desert jay
Calgar also understands the value of accent color
upper canopy
The bike is a lieutenant
charred bridge
Imagine being outranked by a bike
pastel rampart
wide veldt
Oh shit yeah I forgot but is that a new nid epic hero?
valid brook
Not for a long time hence; we last had rules for it in uhhhh 4e?
wide veldt
Yeah that’s old enough that it’s new
raven meteor
Oh shit yeah I forgot but is that a new nid epic hero?
It's current release situation is very weird
It's a kill team model but used for something novel to kill team
It's basically a raid boss that you fight on a cooperative operation from what Im reading?
BUT
Kill team models get full game rules so yes likely an epic hero
wide veldt
Mhm
Yeah I would be absolutely baffled if it didn’t get into 40k
That would genuinely just be stupid on GWs part lol
floral herald
Lmfao that last one
raven meteor
Yeah it certainly will be
Every kill team model gets rules and it would be the opposite of what logically makes sense to not do that for the biggest fanciest kill team model yet
floral herald
Also not sure if it's for just Killteam or not
I genuinely can’t remember the last time a kill team model wasn’t legal in bighammer
floral herald
It's current release situation is very weird
It's a kill team model but used fo...
It’s technically not novel but it is the second ever
wide veldt
Then again not porting it would fuck over a xenos faction so like
Maybe
Also also yeah this is why the dragon ctan got a glow up
Was for kill team
Do yall think they’ll ever add another named ctan
raven meteor
It’s technically not novel but it is the second ever
Yeahhh, I did know about the ctan shard one
But even then this one seems Double Weird
Where it seems like two killteams vs red death?
I thought the ctan operation was 'two opposing killteams but also the shard wants everyone dead'
I may be wrong
Also it's the first Killteam Bespoke Nemesis model as opposed to an existing ctan shard (no I don't know their name)
floral herald
Do yall think they’ll ever add another named ctan
I reckon it’s about as likely as another primarch
wide veldt
So yea
floral herald
Yeah
past sphinx
mans been dead a long time
well
technically MIA
but buried with full military honors, parade and all
charred bridge
Cain's new waifu will bring him back from the warp, and this woman? Inquisitor Jaq's girlfriend
floral herald
I’m kinda good with Cain being a novels character more than a models character personally
raven meteor
People die in 40k?
floral herald
I guess multimedia brand synergy is bigger now though
floral herald
People die in 40k?
Iirc the Cain novels are posthumously published memoirs
past sphinx
they start will his bones dusty and run out the clock till like post the fall of cadia iirc
floral herald
Which is why they have Amberly Vail’s M42 footnotes scattered around
past sphinx
yeah shes editing them for publishing i believe
quite sad actually
i like to imagine they buried jurgen with him
he wasnt dead or anything
just chucked the dirt over both
wide veldt
I’m kinda good with Cain being a novels character more than a models character p...
Yeah I actually don’t think everyone should be a model
Especially imperium characters lmao
We’ve got enough
charred bridge
Yeah I actually don’t think everyone should be a model
500 ultramarine
mental birch
yes
mental birch
Oh terrain footprints as objectives
wide veldt
Blood angels vs Orks is…
Well I’m glad it a xenos faction and I
REALLY like the blood angels
So I guess it’s not bad
But those two factions didn’t really need the refreshes they’re about to get lmao
wide veldt
I was REALLY fucking hoping the enemy faction would be drukhari the
mental birch
But those two factions didn’t really need the refreshes they’re about to get lma...
I mean intercessors got a refresh
which is annoying ahahaha
wide veldt
…. Aren’t intercessors only like
3 or 4 years old
Guys some of drukhari can fucking legally drink in the US
Please god
Also I know some people don’t like it since we already had kreig but
YEAH BABY STEEL LEGION
FUCK ALL OF YOU THOSE ARE MY GUYS
runic swallow
Iirc the Cain novels are posthumously published memoirs
Super technically, since he was mistakenly declared dead so many times, the Administratum stopped declaring him dead, so even though he is presumably actually dead, he’s still officially listed as alive
wide veldt
Ough
wide veldt
Oughgghhh
Also
Love to see Paizo and GW have the same level of technical difficulties
Despite them being leagues aboard
*apart
runic swallow
This isn’t even the first time for GW iirc
mental birch
Love to see Paizo and GW have the same level of technical difficulties
I think it's the venue insisting on using their guys
wide veldt
Is this guy the coolest pro to ever live
Oh my god speed freakz has an epic hero
Also his model is either gonna be completely indestructible
Or the most fragile thing on gods earth
God damn ANOTHER cadian kill team ???
Lmao
Poorhammer when Gandalf got revealed for the middle earth game no one cares about (sorry): 400th Gandalf, Gandalf is the Marnius Calgar of middle earth
runic swallow
Wait they’re still doing the LotR game???
I remember seeing that in stores many years ago, but haven’t seen it in forever
desert jay
It's current release situation is very weird
It's a kill team model but used fo...
Also wild that the "Nemesis Operatives" has a Redemptor on the cover, and other big models are teased in the text (Crisis Suit, Screamer-Killer, Helbrute)
Is this the groundwork for the mythical Knights kill team?
atomic apex
very curious how the Nemesis thing is gonna work
desert jay
Yeah Wardog + feudal cultists or Armiger + lasgun yeomen
pale narwhal
I remember seeing that in stores many years ago, but haven’t seen it in forever
It’s mostly online only now afaik
wide veldt
Yeah Wardog + feudal cultists or Armiger + lasgun yeomen
Okay alternate idea
Single Rogal Dorn
As an imperium nemesis
Lmao
Poorhammer quoted the “democracy dies with thunderous applause” bit cause people cheered the old codexes still being compatible and I gotta agree that’s not actually great news lmao
“Imagine being happy that you get to keep codex tau you fucking idiot” is a direct quote lmao
pale narwhal
Especially with the new cover rules I can’t imagine much will stay the same. Weapon support systems are now redundant with being guided with markerlights, for example
tired cairn
Oh wow. Charges are roll and then pick your target for 11th
humble plover
Is this the groundwork for the mythical Knights kill team?
the article calls them out specifically actually lol
tired cairn
That's where they put some of the funny jokes
humble plover
its easy to miss on this one, its under the footer for the adepticon preview
desert jay
Yeah but I was looking for informative bits, not japes
mental birch
Wait they’re still doing the LotR game???
I'm menacing locals with Dead and Hill tribe spam
sour sequoia
Yeah it certainly will be
Every kill team model gets rules and it would be the o...
Dont worry, exactly two kill teams have no bighammer rules still and its two xenos factions lmao
Brood Brothers and Hierotek Circle
GW is perfectly okay fucking over xenos factions
desert jay
Brood Bro KT might be playable as Cadian Shock Troops? But building them towards that end is probably unwise
wide veldt
lol
It’d be cool to have them…..
Make them battle line in the brood brother detatchment…….
Please………..
desert jay
TBF, a lot of the KTs are unwise to build for bighammer if you want to also play them as KTs, since it often means leaving behind some of the specialists
wide veldt
Also they often suck
In bighammer
IMO
A lot of the kill team units are like…. Why are you here
And then some of them are grossly powerful
humble plover
Dont worry, exactly two kill teams have no bighammer rules still and its two xen...
Hierotek is playable in bighammer, just not as one unit. It's just a collection of different necron units that you play separately, kinda like the white dwarf teams.
I believe Canoptek isn't fully playable in bighammer tho, only the Geomancer is
Unless the bugs got a datasheet that I missed
sour sequoia
Hierotek is playable in bighammer, just not as one unit. It's just a collection ...
Incorrect, there is still no despotek and no apprentek rules, and everything outta canoptek is playable the macrocytes are simply Bad
atomic apex
I believe Canoptek isn't fully playable in bighammer tho, only the Geomancer is
No the units are all there
It's just Geomancer, Macrocytes, and Tomb Crawlers
humble plover
Ah ok, so I did miss the bug sheets
atomic apex
Tomb Crawlers even have the special attach so you can do them as one unit
humble plover
That makes sense, I was kinda confused why it was taking so long lol
sour sequoia
They’re so Nothing you really didn’t miss much, geomancer is funky utility and then tomb crawlers make immortals into the hardest hitting battleline in the game
atomic apex
Still kinda weird to me how underwhelming Tomb Crawlers are in 40k, vs the massive shitkickers they are in KT
But that's the scale difference I guess
sour sequoia
Still kinda weird to me how underwhelming Tomb Crawlers are in 40k, vs the massi...
You’re not seeing the full picture because tomb crawlers giving necron shooting ignore mods is absolutely batshit
atomic apex
The passive is good yes, i just mean their actual statline
humble plover
Incorrect, there is still no despotek and no apprentek rules, and everything out...
Also I'm pretty hesitant to count this as not being playable tbh. Basically all the teams have specialists that aren't represented in bighammer, I don't think Hierotek is that special for that
sour sequoia
Also I'm pretty hesitant to count this as not being playable tbh. Basically all ...
Again, I don’t mean “not give specific rules per cool model” I mean literally not playable
The funny models in nemesis claw still all go into nemesis claw and its a unique unit
You also still got brood brothers who don’t exist and the loadouts are incomprehensibly different to neophytes
humble plover
I'm still not convinced (about Hierotek). You can't run a single unit of Warpcoven, for example. Its 3 Exalted Sorcerers and 3 rubrics, which can't be run at that number
sour sequoia
Sure, but exalted sorcs come in a pack of 3 and then you are Gonna Have 3 Rubrics casually
You’re not buying a box of stupid bullshit that doesn’t translate
wide veldt
So like
What gyrtop is saying
You cannot legally put the apprentek on the board
In bighammer
And have it be something
There is no unit that model belongs to
sour sequoia
I go out of my way to buy $80 KT box with unusable amounts of deathmarks and immortals and then models with no equivalents or rules versus everything else which is Just A Unit
humble plover
Mhm ok, I guess I get y'all's points
jaunty dawn
I mean the despotek is a royal warden
wide veldt
It would be cool but also u get ur value out of ur killteam box in a kill team game format
jaunty dawn
Like they gave them different name but thats pretty clear
wide veldt
They’re not obligated to make it usable in both imo
I mean, it’s a bad financial decision on their part but
They aren’t
jaunty dawn
Warpcoven is a bad example as is the other wd teams
humble plover
My perspective is that the only person who plays Hierotek in my KT group is an established necron player who cobbled the team together from his existing collection, so in my head it just works like a white dwarf team
But now that y'all bring it I can't actually remember what he did for the apprentek lol
sour sequoia
They’re not *obligated* to make it usable in both imo
Given the fact we all have to deal with imperial agents existing and having to warn players off playing it because its steaming bullshit with no army rule or cohesive identity, I think it’s absolutely hilarious they don’t actually bother to make it 100%
jaunty dawn
The apprentek should be a guy tho
wide veldt
Oh I mean it’s funny
sour sequoia
But now that y'all bring it I can't actually remember what he did for the appren...
The secret is the apprentek is the cheaper way to buy a plasmancer because the royal court sprue is ass to track down