Warhammer and Such

[mental birch]

Pretry easy things slide in fairly well only bit thqt doesmt is the right arm

[marsh tree]

I am ONE MODEL SHORT of having a full Inquisition kill team, and unlike the other models, I can't just kit bash this one

I know I can ally them with Veteran Guard, but if I want to make a mono-inquisition force, I can't until I get this ONE REMAINING MODEL

[jaunty dawn]

Tau hierarchy is kinda. Weird

Like

The 5 given ranks

Okay partially its that 40k has unrealistically high ranking officers participating in combat as a genre convention, its not just tau

But shas'o like. Essentially just means commisioned officer

Cause it covers from lieutenant all the way to the most senior fire caste positions

[floral herald]

It’s not a super rare thing in 40K but yeah the Tau are particularly compressed

[jaunty dawn]

And this basically means like yeah theres a ton of gue'vesa'o

But theyre probably mostly in charge of other humans

Though uh idk not having Thrawn style officers would be boring

But they are thrawn style cause its rare

Or the spider dude in clone war

[misty violet]

I think a big part of the lack of social mobility within the Tau is that it's fundamentally a caste based society, both socially and biologically. It's hard for a human, especially a human not born into a well integrated Tau world, to compete with a Tau of any of the Tau castes in their given specialization because they're not likely to have been raised and conditioned in the same monomaniacal environment that the Tau would have been

[jaunty dawn]

Its also not exclusive to the tau/auxiliary split

Like fire caste value battlesuit pilots above all else

[soft willow]

Which model?

[marsh tree]

Enlightener specifically

[misty violet]

Yeah exactly, I've always gotten the impression that a Fire Caste leader is almost equally valued for their ability to conform to Tau military philosophical orthodoxy as they are for actual skill (though they're not too distantly related)

And so a human who didn't start life going to Fire caste kindergarten getting taught Mont'ka and Kauyon at the same time they're being taught how to count just isn't going to be respected

But yeah, honestly I am kind of waiting for GW to release official gue'vesa minis with the obligatory named human not!Thrawn character

With the little lore sidebar about them totally showing up some Fire Caste Tau with their incredible encyclopedic knowledge of military philosophy

[charred bridge]

Thrawn Costeau Skywalker

[dense sedge]

would geuvesa use their own weapons (lasguns) like the kroot do or use tau weapons

[jaunty dawn]

Varies i think

Theyve been depicted with both afaik

[paper bluff]

Before the orks invaded, what was the kroot tech level at?

It was like bronze or something? Maybe less

[upper canopy]

Black powder

[charred bridge]

It depends

Oh before orks invaded

I was about to say in the distant past they were more advanced but chose to go back on tech

I remember cause of these ships which I love cause even for 40k they're uniquely shaped
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Warsphere

[upper canopy]

Warspheres are post Ork

Its assumed that kroot tapped into the genetic ability to make technology orks have

[jaunty dawn]

When they had official rules in taros they were just imperial guard squads but 6-12 models (used to be a tau thing) and the sergeant could take a pulse rifle

Though its also like, the modern kroot rifle uses tau manufactured pulse rounds

The neutron weapons used by vespid are tau tech too

[charred bridge]

Oh you're right

[upper canopy]

Taros was also fairly early in Tau history

[jaunty dawn]

But thats recently incorporated pdf garrison troops and not imperial citizens

[upper canopy]

Yeah

I ran in my Tau Only War game that Tau working on human colonies genuinely integrate them into their main supply chains

And if theres manufacturing on the planet with an ongoing war machine then they keep and upgrade most of it in the short term

Then slowly phase it out with better tech

[vital barn]

there's a defecting Inquisitor in the farsight books who is let in on several important councils (and has a pulse pistol)

[upper canopy]

I gave everyone light carapace as well, since Tau would rather better armor than flak

[vital barn]

she still thinks they're kind of idiots in some ways but they don't seem to be more mean to the Imperial Guard than the Imperium is

[thin ibex]

I think when possible tau would equip humans with better guns. But I imagine also there is some logistic benefit when the guard come with their own gear that they know how to manage and maintain

Also big win for my Tau crusade. The Tau nar faced off against 2 chaos knights and a baneblade variant with the melta cannon. Killed all of em

[floral herald]

wow nice

[thin ibex]

Some unlucky dice on the opponents part and a damage 16 weapon goes a long way

[stark cypress]

Man, an Ogryn auxiliary for the Tau must be so wild.

Big giant friendly who constantly shouts in battle "FOR THE GREATER GOOD!" and "THE GREATER GOOD IS GOOD!"

[quaint compass]

Finally, someone who can rival the renegade Farsight in prowess and devotion

[stark cypress]

The Ogryn auxiliaries would pack bond with the drones.

[upper canopy]

They have to call it the Greatest Good

[soft willow]

The bigga good.

[charred bridge]

Ratling Tau auxiliary, they're not loyal they just saw that Tau get fed well and they immediately joined the Tau without them knowing

[sour sequoia]

Got paired into deathwatch r1 and 2 of the 200 person tournament my bones hurt

2.5% odds of hitting deathwatch lists

[rocky shale]

RIP

[sour sequoia]

I’m sorry fellas but we should fucking legends them

Just kill the codex already

[rocky shale]

Hilarious that they did get obliterated but successfully complained to GW enough to get brought back as the best faction in the game

[hardy harness]

They're not even that cool, I don't get why everyone likes them

[rocky shale]

Meanwhile the rest of the imperial agents codex...

Deathwatch are pretty cool IMO

Theyre just a rules nigthmare

[sour sequoia]

Their game identity is every single worst aspect of space marines

[rocky shale]

^

[hardy harness]

*not that cool compared to other chapters

[sour sequoia]

And their aesthetic identity is uhhh

Uhhhhh

[hardy harness]

"Black Templars But Different"

[sonic hare]

dark templars

[rocky shale]

I like the broad idea of "super specialist xenos hunters from all different chapters" and the way that gets brought into the game is "gigantic pile of random-ass marines with special weapons"

[sour sequoia]

Here’s a 180pt unit where everybody swings on 2s and +1 to wound global rerolls AP-4 D3 plasmas

Just bring 3 of them and also they pack more indirect fire than 3 basilisks in the same unit

[rocky shale]

The mechanical identity of space marines is having perfect stats, duh

[sour sequoia]

Sorry, my captain killed an acolyte 2 rounds ago

He has 12 attacks on 2s S8 AP-3 D4 sus lethal

Shut the fuck up lmao

[rocky shale]

Wow theif of secrets really is 1 model isnt it

Where do they get the +1 to wound from?

Pretty sure they dont get oath w/ +1 to wound

Ohhh its fortis

[pale narwhal]

yeah deathwatch have kinda been sitting at like 51% winrate with a very uninteractive list since they first dropped

[jaunty dawn]

Deathwatch are cool pff

But the big deal is really that post primaris deathwatch was like, one of the most customisable armies in many ways, and the army that required you to kitbash a ton of kits to assemble each squad

So a lot of people put the effort into doing that only for every single one of those squads to be completely gone which is extremely bullshit

[thin ibex]

It's not a soap box, but I've long held the idea that Grey Knights and Deathwatch both sound like high cost elite ally units rather than armies of their own

They show up for a specific purpose and are better than normal marines, not just going around fighting whomever

[bright dove]

Controversial opinion: They should just make the Inquisition army period. Have the option for Deathwatch, GK, and Soriatas alongside inquisitorial storm troopers all in the same army.

[humble plover]

I can't say I agree with roping Sororitas into that entirely, they have a very solid range, a clear lore and gameplay identity, and a far more tenuous connection to the inquisition than the others

A few datasheets or dedicated rules for allying them in sure, but Sororitas absolutely needs to exist as it's own army at this point

[bright dove]

Yeah, fair.

My brain still fills them in with Witchhunters.

[thin ibex]

sororitas is actually the one out of the 3 that i feel is most justified being their own whole army

[quaint compass]

Hard agree here

[thin ibex]

tangential, but guys, how significant is giving a Tau Nar 6+++? I figure its a T13, 30W, 2+/5++ profile, the 6+++ is gonna be for all 30 wounds, which isn't nothing

the alternative is giving the entire model assault, or enhancing a gun

[quaint compass]

Feel No Pain is really good at any number

Especially with the number of wounds the Narly Tau has

Ignoring 1 in 6 wounds taken is essentially giving you 5 extra wounds if you math it out quickly

[thin ibex]

first battle honor i gave it was to get more xp when marked for greatness, and now im speedrunning it to its max

[rocky shale]

Roughly +5 wounds on average

[thin ibex]

that feels reasonably impactful

especially if an enemy is riding dev wounds

[rocky shale]

That being said, titanic units disproportionately benefit from crusade blessings just because it's effecting a bunch more stats for the same xp

Make sure you're counting each blessing as 2 crusade points

[thin ibex]

Yup! I live life on a snowballs edge generally

If my titan does well, I snowball, if it dies fast, I'm pretty heavily on the back foot

[wide veldt]

Wow holy shit I was scrolled up so far

Was about to start talking about the guevsa

[floral herald]

scary

[jaunty dawn]

I like that it has a hole for the subassembly doohickeys

[floral herald]

that part is ok

[jaunty dawn]

And that its not replacing the good one

[floral herald]

It just does not feel secure

[jaunty dawn]

Mm

I think if its reallyyyy cheap that would be cool

[floral herald]

maybe it is better than it looks

[main pagoda]

is it replacing the spring held ones?

[jaunty dawn]

No it is not

[broken dew]

i have one of the spring ones actually

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/no-nope-badge502-no-emt-gif-12101368233781502723

[hardy harness]

heeheeheehoohoo

[upper bluff]

Me too I actually really like mine

[broken dew]

i got it to use with the two kits i got and i haven't used it even once

low-key gonna go get some of those metal balls to break up the paint cause mine have separated

but i do want to paint my crons and ultras at some point

[broken dew]

ok yeah it was Gaunt lmao

i recognized Cain instantly on account of the melta

but i didn't originally recognize Gaunt

[charred bridge]

Be in a guard book

[pine matrix]

Hey just some regular terminators....wait....hold on...

(whoops posted one of them twice)

These are supposed to be renegade termies, not sure if I want to give them to trophy racks or not 🤔 could be a bit overkill

[finite compass]

Would make more sense with Eisenhorn

To my knowledge, Gaunt has never done a sword fight with a chaos marine

[floral herald]

There's a scene in Traitor General where he ambushes one with a sword

But it wasn't a real fight

[pastel rampart]

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/artillery-shells-fdm-friendly Made some shells for that basilisk.

[pastel rampart]

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/magnetized-hunter-killer-missle-fdm-friendly Also finished that HK missile.

[sour sequoia]

YARRICK BACK

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/sklouxc3/new-animation-the-saviour-of-armageddon-returns/

[jaunty dawn]

Big glow up but pretty whelming

Which is fine really

[misty violet]

Yeah, sort of just a straight model upgrade/sidegrade from the previous. Which is ultimately a good thing, the original had a huge amount of character and changing more would probably have been for the worse

I'm looking at you Coteaz 2

[deft crest]

Damn I wish he could have had a bit more to say in response to the dude other than "Nuh uh"

Its all fine and good to have a character that is of little words but just kinda a let down compared to the first dude

Krieg once again getting the spotlight I can never complain.

[sour sequoia]

Armageddon, not Krieg, but I have a feeling GW isn’t a huge fan of showing armageddon guard infantry ever again without a makeover

Which. May be on the cards for 11th

[main pagoda]

tbf that is also what yarrick is like by this point

[pastel rampart]

No they just show Krieg and Cadian troops in the animation.

[junior robin]

you know you got a warhammer problem when "do I own a unbuilt steel legion army?" is a valid question to ask yourself

[pastel rampart]

Armageddon but no steel legion come ON GW

[floral herald]

I love it when the guys they execute make some good points

[pulsar cairn]

i like Yarrick and the mini's cool, but didnt they kill him off screen?

[pastel rampart]

They did but he got better.

[jaunty dawn]

rumours of his death were greatly exaggerated or something

though honestly the funniest way for this to go is he gets a story about doing this shit and then just dying

[main pagoda]

It was right when the ghaz stuff started i think he was reported dead

[jaunty dawn]

It was always couched in rumour. and also just lampshaded him getting discontinued

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/596198124414828545/1483124459815833721/image-1.png?ex=69b972ca&is=69b8214a&hm=f3ed65d52e07eb7ce280df3ce6ebfce0bdc661282e2920e5ab15b45516634d48&

[jaunty dawn]

arguably the fact that they even addressed it was evidence that he'd come back eventually

[broken dew]

Commissar Calgar...

[junior robin]

what if he did die but is a living saint?

[jaunty dawn]

a living saint but instead of like celestine where she comes back to help desperate situations he just appears to kneecap any moments of sensibility

if you track his appearances after armageddon he's making a beeline for gulliman

[upper canopy]

https://youtu.be/-N3M9YA8CUI?si=135Fsh4VteJTe1Kb

Just linking the animation as wepl

Well

Also man

How lame

[junior robin]

I hear he shows up if you say "tactical withdrawal" 3 times in a mirror

[upper canopy]

What was the point of the fake out

[jaunty dawn]

my main issue with the animation is that the lasgun like

you literally can't tell it's a laspistol

from the animation

[floral herald]

He faked his death to ragebait ghazkhull

[jaunty dawn]

cause it's just a normal gunshot

[charred bridge]

Vulkan is gonna bring him back when he respawn from the Beast, any day now...

[thin ibex]

shouldn't he just be like... decrepit at this point?

[upper canopy]

We faked Yarrick's death so we could have Ghazkull die to some random space wolf and then brought Yarrick back now that his plot is largely irrelevant

[jaunty dawn]

it would be so funny if he was just ghost rider and had the skull face from this art

[upper canopy]

Ain't that hype

[thin ibex]

yeah i cant say i much care for yarricks return, should have had someone carrying his torch instead

its not like they brought back creed

[upper canopy]

I would have been hype if they did anything creative with it

[pastel rampart]

Yarrick is like 300 years old which is near the limit of normal human lifespans in 40k.

[charred bridge]

But what if in an unprecedented display of intelligence for an ork ghaz also fakes his death?

[upper canopy]

Like he did die but they cybernetically grafted him to thr fortress of arrogance

[broken dew]

wait Ghaz is dead?

[thin ibex]

nah he got his head cut off and then got frankenorked

[pastel rampart]

He got better.

[thin ibex]

summoned the waaaagh lightning

[broken dew]

ah ok

[charred bridge]

They're both living together in a nowhere planet while the universe thinks theyre dead, toxic old man yaoi

[upper canopy]

He did die

But he got better

[thin ibex]

suposedly waaagh got juiced with enough energy to blow up a planet

[broken dew]

right

[thin ibex]

but he's kind of mostly just a head rn i think

big cybork body

[upper canopy]

Hes got his body with a bunch of other warbosses stitched together

Which is an insane thing to do for a model refresh to make him bigger because orks canonically just grow

Just make him bigger

[jaunty dawn]

yarrik has little leg braces now

[thin ibex]

but yeah the prior story was a space wolves kill team sent to go get him; Ragnar cut his head off and was mortally wounded for it, then Ragnar primaris'd his way out and Ghaz got franken-ork'd

[jaunty dawn]

idk whats going on with his accent and I'm not sure that the voice actor knows either

[broken dew]

kinda wack yeah

[charred bridge]

Ghaz's pain boy ain't letting ghaz die no matter what

[broken dew]

Orks just do that anyway

you don't need to frankensteins monster him

[upper canopy]

Guh

That event still gets me

[desert jay]

You’re right, we should also give him more arms

Maybe a sick fire spewing dragon head for one hand

[charred bridge]

Power pinchers made except the pinchers are made of power pinchers

[paper bluff]

They did do that to gaz

[pulsar cairn]

[paper bluff]

Orks are very robust compound organism

Technically speaking they don't need food

But also given the redundancy of their system, let's call it. The head can be cut off and sown back on. And they'll be right as rain.

And to explain Gaza's large size, he's basically Frankenstein's monster of a bunch of bits from boys attached to his head inside of his Mech suit.

[upper canopy]

Thats what we are saying

They didnt need to do that

Because orks just get bigger

Just make him bigger

[paper bluff]

Well he was beheaded at the time

[upper canopy]

Yes

To explain his new model

[paper bluff]

From Ragnar blackmane

[upper canopy]

Which they didnt need to do

[paper bluff]

No, but if we go by what they didn't need to do, the game doesn't need to exist

[upper canopy]

?????

[quaint compass]

Okay, now you're just killing the conversation instead of listening to the reasoning behind why they're saying that

[upper canopy]

Thats just a complete thought terminating cliche yeah

[paper bluff]

Yeah gaz would get bigger over time

That's the ork process

The lore is he got frankenstein monster

[quaint compass]

If they wanted to make a bigger Ghaz, they could've just done so. He's the biggest ork and nobody would've complained. But I reckon the reason they went with Cybork Thrakka was also to have some other visual distinctions from just being big ork.

But big for bigness sake didn't need justification through narrative

That was baked into orkz since the 90s

[paper bluff]

I would like to add it's a fun story. It's silly. Gaz getting his head cut off and his body, blown the bits, and then his pain boy and other boys giving up pieces of themselves to make him a big giant ork is very 40K and meshes with ork ridiculous lore

[quaint compass]

Yeh

[paper bluff]

The conceit of the 40k universe is grim darkness. GW is also a company that banks on ridiculous stories and cool little "guys" for that universe

They don't have to do lore with their war game, but they do.

GW as a company could right now release all of the Primarch models for 40K that make them a bunch of money, but the fans demand a reason why these fictional super beings should show back up. As a company They don't have to do that, they do anyway.

[quaint compass]

We don't have a problem with the existence of lore here, Lord Goodman. We're just critiquing it because we enjoy digging. Having an issue with a facet of the lore isn't the same as having a problem with lore in general.

They're not looking for the "right" answer, but rather voicing dissatisfaction with something they generally enjoy, but with thoughts on what could have been done better than just bringing it down.

[jaunty dawn]

Goodlordman is contesting the idea that the lore was written solely to justify a new plastic model

[upper canopy]

That's sorta not how GW runs things though

Explicitly, and has been stated by the company dozen of times, they do models first, lore second.

[paper bluff]

More that's it's both. They feed each other

If the music business had panned out for them, we might have models based on stuff from D-rok albums

I'm not claiming all the lore is solely to justify the models

[jaunty dawn]

I'm saying the opposite

sorry for the confusion

[paper bluff]

Let me add a clarifying word

[quaint compass]

But in the end, they always do the thing that angers me, their most ardent fan 😌

Now allow me to buy forty more berzerkers I will not paint

[pastel rampart]

Heck, there's at least one instance of an ork's head getting stuffed with a bunch of crap because he lost his brain and he kept on truckin'.

[paper bluff]

I would never expect you to do something that I also continued refused to do

I did one unit of berserkers and the trim, and I don't ever wanna do that again

[quaint compass]

:)

37 more to go :,)

Doesn't help that I went with red trim on a white base

[charred bridge]

GW just releases lore to make people angry /s

[unkempt echo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N3M9YA8CUI
never commented on here, just came to say
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOO

[quaint compass]

I can't believe that they clickbaited me into starting an eldar army >:[

[sour sequoia]

I kind of almost respect the cultural stagnation that demands brutal deaths for everybody that Mean Literally Nothing, we’re approaching the batshit insane sequence of events to explain comics peter parker getting biological web shooters instead of Gadgets because marvel execs were afraid of moviegoers being confused by the difference

[charred bridge]

The next step is to make the memes Canon lore

[upper canopy]

40k Marvelfication continues

[sour sequoia]

Titus will get devoured by khorne and then spat back out to get a chainaxe now

[charred bridge]

Tzeentch: one step closer to 40k x fortnite

[thin ibex]

I think Yarrick should have had a protégé rather than just show back up

[jaunty dawn]

I think arguably yarrick's history is more important to the character than for eg creed

creed is just cadia guy

yarrick is not just armageddon guy, he's thraka's personal bff

[paper bluff]

BNF

Best nemesis forever

[quaint compass]

Best Foes Feternaly

[atomic apex]

Yarrick just coming back from supposed death is very true to the character, so it makes sense to me

[jaunty dawn]

i was kinda expecting the animation to adress it at all like the first guy is like he's dad 😭 and he goes no I aren't

[quaint compass]

Where was you when Yarrick die? I was at underhive when Pyotir call
Yarrick dead
No

[charred bridge]

What's the summary for those that can't watch the vid

[jaunty dawn]

generic battle shots of cadians and kriegers (in trenches as always)

guy is on the vox phone and saying "shit's fucked man it's all fucked the orks are gonna get us and this planet has zero worth atp" and it comes out on speakers in all the trenches

the kriegers are like "huh you hearing this??"

and then the guy continues "run away everyone there are evacuation ships go to them go i'm so proud of you all but shit's fucke-" but then he's cut off cause he gets shot from behind

and now static is blaring on the trench speakers

yarrick tosses his body aside and says "no retreat actually. evacuation ships? that was a lie. we're gonna win"

and then a krieger gets stepped on by a stompa

the detail of the evacuation ships is fascinating to me cause like an evacuation is an enormous logistical endeavour it's either happening or it isn't

[charred bridge]

Oh huh

I guess news of his death was greatly exaggerated

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah there isnt actually any like addressing of his death or lack thereof

[upper canopy]

Yarrick dies and looks better than before

[quaint compass]

Rigor mortis helps with wrinkles

[jaunty dawn]

The most likely explanation is that it was just a clerical error

It was actually Sebastian Yamck

[quaint compass]

Sebastian Errick

If there's one odd-ball story I wanna read about in 40 cakes, it's a high-stakes spy drama set entirely within an Administratum facility

Bames Jond, Of The Record

[main pagoda]

theres the new hive books coming out

from big dan

[pastel rampart]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/5/58/FortressofArrogance.jpg Y'know, since I was planning on printing a baneblade anyway...

[quaint compass]

"The information in this ledger is highly sensitive. If word got out that I showed its vaunted tables to someone outside Storage Librarium 87-B, I dread the mark they'll set upon my record."
"Do not worry, our transaction here will be entirely of the record."

[charred bridge]

RIP it was actually my darktide veteran. Commissioner Yarrick

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/722865032391819305/1483147562293792820/no-ones-ever-really-gone-v0-2k613happfpg1.png?ex=69b9884e&is=69b836ce&hm=6755b56277471198af5d6ac7ec6e52d896a82e403b0af2e99ec885e7ed13f3c4&

[pulsar holly]

GW would like to know your location

[pastel rampart]

They'll find it if people keep pinging me.

[charred bridge]

gets pinged from pinkertons

[quaint compass]

pingertons 😌

[charred bridge]

Pingertons is good it's now a word for me

[past sphinx]

I WAS FUCKING RIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGHHHHTTTT

[thin ibex]

i did actually enjoy the generic battle shots

seeing depictions of actual war in 40k is always fun for me

[thin ibex]

i wonder if he'll be more dangerous than farsight in melee

[finite compass]

The fact that the animation is all Krieg and Cadian and not a single Steel Legionnaire hurts me on a deep level

[pastel rampart]

Current theory is that steel legion are getting a plastic kit and GW didn't want to show that off but it reads like copium.

[junior robin]

clearly the optimal move is to give us armageddon ork hunters that can also be built as catachan jungle fighters

[thin ibex]

Honestly give us Armageddon steel legion as a kill team that has rules for exiting a transport in 40k

[finite compass]

I mean, I'm mostly certain the reason is "We don't have an in-production Steel Legion range, and Corporate has dictated that we can't actually show anything people can't buy."

[pastel rampart]

Again, pings.

[desert jay]

They might not have a 3D model for them without just ripping Darktide assets

[pastel rampart]

That I kind of doubt.

[little bay]

have this meme

[soft willow]

https://tenor.com/view/addition-to-mycollection-more-collection-gif-14095863

[dense sedge]

An Armageddon trailer with only cadians and kriegers is sad

But not unexpected

[pulsar cairn]

yeah

[past sphinx]

so the indomitus crusade wasnt 100 years after Gman it was like 15 now?

[pulsar cairn]

even Darktide remembered the steel legion

[past sphinx]

thats why yarrik is still here?

[upper bluff]

I think they just retconned his death and made him really old

the model reveal mentions calipers holding him together (not really seen on the model. A continuing and worrying trend)

Like if you're going to make a super fast knight with rocket thrusters make the thrusters obvious and attention drawing. If you're making a super old commissar literally being held together with calipers and an iron will make it obvious and not just little rivets in his ankles

[jaunty dawn]

This is a caliper

They are shown on his model

I agree that its weird they didnt take a picture of the back of the destrier so seeing the rockets is basically impossible

[upper bluff]

ah those are the rivets on his ankles. I was thinking of the other calipers

[wide veldt]

Oh shit yarrick is back??

[jaunty dawn]

He came back with his smokes and milk

[quaint compass]

Finally, war-papa came back with the smilk

[charred bridge]

I just watched the new animation dropped and hot damn that was good stuf

I know it's 40k but I love how actually grim it is, it isnt the normal like human spirit perserving through the worst and doing something heroic sacrifice The commissar has given up and the guard are on the edge of breaking and you see how human they are despite all the media portaying them as unyielding unquestioning zealots

Also a great portrayal of a commissar inspiring guard. The shoot a random nameless grunt fleeing to make everyone retreating turn around in fear is fun but we get much less of other ways besides shooting those fallen to chaos

[paper bluff]

Do.... do grox have milk? I believe their reptiles so I think no

[charred bridge]

I would not doubt the existence of milkable reptiles in 40k

[upper canopy]

They do

[quaint compass]

You can milk anything with blood

[broken dew]

Big E after gaining some modicum of consciousness and learning he has his own daemon equivalents

[jaunty plinth]

What do you MEAN That Commisar Yarrick is back?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N3M9YA8CUI

[west zealot]

He just got lost on the way for cigates and milk for a while

[jaunty plinth]

Yeah that tracks

[charred bridge]

The walk to Armaggeddeon promethium stations are no joke

[paper bluff]

He had to walk from one end of the hive to the other

[broken dew]

finally managed to cook up a banger 🙏

[charred bridge]

Uphill both ways

[jaunty dawn]

Grox do not seem to have milk

Milk exists though

Seemingly from cattle

Among other sources

[pulsar cairn]

i mean even if there arent cows there's probably some other space equivalent to mammals who can be used for that

wouldnt be the dumbest thing in 40k honestly

[jaunty dawn]

Theres one alien milk from the rogue trader game

Its an antipoison

But characters have referenced cows before

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/735679742048469082/1483372276748521553/651547569_930827272825606_2536993296799895629_n.jpg?ex=69ba5996&is=69b90816&hm=0b4b3d4f650c01513b016139f80702f14dbc79d37aa6634ef1e03b9daefae2ff&

[pine matrix]

They prefer Quake

[quaint compass]

All about SPEED BAYBE

WE OUTRUNNING SLANEESH AND THE SPEED RUNNING RECORD ON THIS RUN

[charred bridge]

If you die in the game you die in real life

[pastel rampart]

Unreal Tournament is hardcore on the infinity circuit.

[charred bridge]

Knowing Eldar they'd probably find a way to make demons killed in DOOM actually kill daemons somewhere else

[floral herald]

It’s terrible there’s too many 8000 year old Exarch Sweats

[charred bridge]

8000 years of shittalking a new eldar on the path

[thin ibex]

Exarchs done get enough rep

[floral herald]

No no I mean 8000 years in the circuit doing nothing but grinding UT

[thin ibex]

Be like "I have trained for a bazillion years with this one set of gear to perfect the style of combat it represents."
And then
"Damn, damn it all, I never trained for mortars, oh Khaine it's all over, oh the Aeldarity"

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/KK82V/ca5c3ff13d.jpg

http://puu.sh/KK831/a753c43627.jpg

Spent entirely too much time fussing with this salamander scout tank.

http://puu.sh/KK83e/6715240bea.jpg

Even had to make the rear hatch from scratch because the files I did find was so riddled with errors that editing it just introduced more errors.

[desert jay]

Counts-as an Impulsor?

[thin ibex]

spacem arine pickup truuuuuck

[pastel rampart]

The treads are a separate piece for ease of printing.

Honestly, finding good reference pics for the salamander was kind of a pain!

[desert jay]

Oh wait that Salamander

I thought you meant a scout tank for use by the Salamander chapter

[pastel rampart]

Aha, nah I'm working on a steel legion force for a bit. Printing out a buncha tanks and such.

Going through a lot of old books for ideas and vehicles that you don't normally see.

[junior robin]

finally, primaris ~~lieutenant ~~ cobbler.

[floral herald]

Primaris Genestealer Cult Victim

[runic swallow]

Primaris Lieutenant (Melta Battle Damaged)

[pastel rampart]

Some minor errors but otherwise a success.

Got the autocannon and back hatch printing right now.

[junior robin]

neat, someone updated the chimedon page with armourcast model, only had the epic one before

a chimera with a battle cannon and still full troop carrying capabilities.

[pastel rampart]

The chimedon is so funny.

Like how you fitting dudes in there with the ammo a battle cannon uses.

[junior robin]

either all the benches for the troops are replaced with the ammo or the battery for the default multi-laser takes up 75% of the tank so lot of space to switch it out.

[pastel rampart]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/9/95/Chimerax_Inquisitor_Magazine_Issue_16_pg7_Color.jpg

Chimerax is one of my favorites because bro that's just 4 gun team autocannons slapped on there

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/3/31/Chimerax_WD_203_pg_24.jpg

[junior robin]

like why do we even have leman russes if we can do this to a chimera?

[pastel rampart]

LRs can carry sponsons and even bigger guns, like giant fuck-off plasma cannons or the vanquisher cannon (my beloved)

[junior robin]

that is true

thought what is the point with the king russ? 🤔

[pastel rampart]

Double the treads, double the fun.

[junior robin]

big fan of the scylla (counts as armoured sentiels)

[hardy harness]

How much authority/prestige would a Rogue Trader Gue'Vesa have in the T'au Empire?

[rocky shale]

I'd assume substantially less than in the imperium

They'd effectively have to be more like an ally than directly integrated into the empire I'd assume

Given that the tau don't really have a position for "space merchant with borderline unlimited authority granted by God"

[hardy harness]

True

[upper canopy]

A lower position among the Water Caste fleets probably

[hardy harness]

Idk about lower, they carry immense clout and power in the Imperium

Like Turtle said, they're probably allies rather than a proper part of the Empire

Or maybe they are a part of the Empire, they're just sort of their own thing rather than being attached to any existing caste

[rocky shale]

The whole point of like harmony and the greater good would be kinda thrown off by trying to integrate a rogue trader who has infinity dollars and a fleet of ships that run of generational serfdom of tens of thousands of people.

The concept of a rogue trader doesn't really align with anything the tau have going on

[rocky shale]

Kinda defeats the purpose of castes, wouldn't it?

[hardy harness]

...mmm, true

[humble plover]

that is how tau auxiliaries fit into the caste system tho, afaik

the castes are a species thing, not an empire thing. The kroot don't have castes for example, they're just Kroot

[pastel rampart]

https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-scylla-light-tank-sentinel-282011 🤔

[humble plover]

Also, I get the vibe that the Tau aren't very picky when it comes to who they see as being in the Tau Empire

[rocky shale]

True, though I meant like they're not just gonna have a rogue trader of infinite authority integrate into the empire and keep that infinite authority

[humble plover]

like, theres a thing I've seen repeated online that seems to be somewhat true (but I'm having trouble confirming right now) that the Tau think the Leagues of Votann are In the Empire™ because they trade with them

[thin ibex]

I think the Tau have traded with the Demiurge, a cover that the Leagues use, and so those elements are considered part of or on friendly terms with the Empire, but they do not consider the Leagues of Votann as part of the Empire

[jaunty dawn]

it's not a cover it's just a specific group

[restive obsidian]

So I've come in to a significant amount of emps children on sprue, with a boxes worth of tormentors/infractors, as far as I can tell. Am I better off doing 10 of one of the two or 5 of each?

To pick a specific thing to do with them, let's say King of the Colloseum is the initial goal

[soft willow]

Two fives is generally the best play with them.

There are a few lists that want a double wide of Infractors, but you get the most value with the MSUs.

[restive obsidian]

I was leaning to 5 tormentor 5 infractor so that's good

(Unless you mean do 10 infractor but run as 2 5s)

[sour sequoia]

Honestly just as I’m building armies I tend to go for getting one unit out of the way first but you’ll pretty much always run both

I’d get 2x5 infractors out of the way, build tormentors with your second box

[soft willow]

I didn't but that would also be fine.

What else do you have on sprue?

Might make it easier to suggest which of the squads you want if say we know you have melee covered with Flawless Blades, or shooting backup with Noise Marines.

[restive obsidian]

Got 1 unit of each of those

But also some spare bodies that could either fill out some noise marines (though I'd have to check weapons) or build a 2nd unit of blades

(There's 3 leftover legionaries from a kill team)

(And if I counted right, 9 noise marines)

[pastel rampart]

https://i.redd.it/ue2eecfztlpg1.png

[spice flicker]

Was talking with a friend about if the favored mortal champions of the Chaos Gods were summoned as servants for a holy grail war and this is what we concluded:

Lucius: Saber servant with his resurrection ability being his noble phantasm.
Ahriman: Caster with the rubric being his noble phantasm or maybe something else.
Kharn: Berserker though we couldn't figure out a good noble phantasm for him besides Gorechild.
Typhus: Caster with the Destroyer Hive or something related to how closely associated he is with poxwalkers.

[soft willow]

We are all now blurst with this knowledge.

[tepid stratus]

For what it's worth Kharne also has a revive, because the only thing special about Lucius these days is his ego. And personally I'd put typhus as a lancer for the sake of variety, his power scythe is a pole arm after all and surviving otherwise fatal blows is on brand for the lancer class

Morbid curiosity compels me to add on to this: Eidolon is a rider with his sonic scream as NP. Talos is an assassin with foresight as NP. Fabius is a caster with the ability to enhance others as NP. Huron would probably be an assassin or rider since he's a hit and run specialist his NP is a pirate ship. Abaddon is a tough one, probably saber but I could agree on avenger if the thought experiment includes non standard classes. NPs are drachnyen and the ascended mark of chaos undivided

[spice flicker]

Abby would be a saber i feel like and good point about typhus.

[broken dew]

i feel like The Talon of Horus mayhaps deserves a mention for NP status

killed best boy and mortally wounded Big E

kind of a big deal for the whole Horus Heresy mythos and the legend that Abbadon essentially inherited when he became Warmaster of Chaos

[spice flicker]

Anti-Divinity NP

[little bay]

https://tenor.com/view/addition-to-mycollection-more-collection-gif-14095863

[spice flicker]

Honestly of the 4 mortal champions/heralds of the chaos gods, who would be the safest bet to have as a servant in terms of not just winning but surviving the war (and being around them.)

[broken dew]

precisely

Kharn or Typhus

Kharn for his pure killing focus and Typhus for his plagues and durability

i don't like Lucius and i think Ahriman is a bit of a pillock like his dad

i think personally i'd pick Typhus, loathe him as i do

[spice flicker]

Typhus does seem like a safe bet but I am more than certain that if he starts spreading plagues you're screwed since I doubt his master would gain immunity to them. They might not kill you but might not protect you from them either.

[broken dew]

yeah that's fair

Khârn The Betrayer should be a fairly safe bet unless someone summons Sigismund

[spice flicker]

Ahriman, and Kharn oddly enough, do feel the safest out of the four to stay around so long as they dont backstab you at least. Ahriman you have to worry about being ritual fodder (avicebron flashback) or just backstabbed in his pursuit of the grail (likely wish for the rubric to be reversed if i had to guess.) Kharn might be safe so long as he isnt in a frenzy, feel like betraying you, or suspect your skull is worthy for tribute to khorne.

Lucius I trust the least and Typhus feels the most hazardous due to plagues.

[broken dew]

i wouldn't pick a tzeentch worshipper in any situation

but i would want to have Lucius at my back even less

and yeah Typhus would probably be a huge issue on account of the plagues

ironically Khârn The Betrayer would probably be my best bet

[broken dew]

also for Khârn you could maybe do something with his kill counter and his madness enhancement

[spice flicker]

Who'd thought that the guy with betrayer in his name was the most trustworthy?

[broken dew]

since he 100% would be a berserker class you could have him have some kind of skill or np related stuff with his kill counter, countering his madness enhancement

[spice flicker]

Full power NP of gorechild is just a representation of Kharn being Angron's equiary/2nd in command. Summon Gorechild's twin and the strength/wrath of Angron against his foes. Bit of a stretch ill admit.

[broken dew]

yeah

[cinder wraith]

land speeding for ticket

[spice flicker]

Neat

[bright dove]

That Kharn, he's a swell guy

You just have to take every fight

[spice flicker]

As they say, BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE! Also i do like how after Betrayer the writers did try to make Kharn more than just a mindless battle crazed berserker like most world eaters in most of his following appearances.

I still find it funny that the fatal flaw of the guy who would eventually be so well known for betrayal that Betrayer becomes part of his name, had his sense of loyalty and devotion be his fatal flaw in the Horus Heresy.

[quaint compass]

You know how it goes

Served loyally for decades and nobody says anything
Betray your allies once to such devastation that they never recover and now everybody calls you "The Betrayer".

[junior robin]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/sr5fkxao/join-the-biggest-warhammer-preview-of-the-year-at-adepticon-2026/

clues for ||speed freeks, blood angels, deepkin?, probably steel legion?, not sure about the green gear aquilla combo || 🤔

[spice flicker]

Greenwing dark angels?

Looks kinda like the mechanicus skull symbol upon closer inspection.

[quaint compass]

Yeah

Maybe something to do with Knights?

No, that's a different symbol

Maybe Steel Legion?

[junior robin]

one thing for sure, its not the Legio Cybernetica symbol so no 40k robots this time

[main pagoda]

steel legion is a lighting bolt

[quaint compass]

I should've checked what their icon was before speculating.

[mental birch]

40k cybernetica fans malding

Literally one model

[pulsar cairn]

do they have redeemed chaos warriors in AoS? i heard Sigmar had the ability to do that in fantasy

[main pagoda]

yeah

[pulsar cairn]

any named characters?

[jaunty dawn]

https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/stormcast-eternals-tornus-the-redeemed-2024?srsltid=AfmBOoqaOX5TV4JyFu8E9j2z4gk0K8Fv1mdxMewZdAH451wPgo1U70vD

This guy

[pulsar cairn]

yay

thanks Penny

i love redeemed characters

[charred bridge]

There is no war against chaos in Tau space

[quaint compass]

There was one, but then defeated Slaneesh

[pastel rampart]

https://www.kkinstagram.com/reel/DN67tKNjO1A/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== Hmmmmmm

[main pagoda]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/project-leviathan/war-ganizer-hobby-safe

looks pretty cool

[pastel rampart]

Yeah.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/591429239211950081/1484337396270235678/95b5342cb8f3c87fe68a4cef40b74f86.png?ex=69bddc6c&is=69bc8aec&hm=43ff68f45cf24d24761f41962b4ef4c0904fdf159840743898c0605e1ad34a82&

It'd be tricky to do on my Ender 3 Pro but doable.

https://war-ganizer.ca/products/war-ganizer-1-5-mini-carrier-basic-set-stl-digital-download Oh he's got one specifically for Ender 3s, nice.

[jaunty dawn]

For when you want to transport your minis in a pc case :)

[pastel rampart]

Get some RGB lighting in there to really sell the effect.

(I would actually do this lmao)

https://war-ganizer.ca/products/war-ganizer-battle-board-late-pledge I do like this too: plastic frame for foam board.

[jaunty dawn]

That would actually be really fun for infinity haha

[pastel rampart]

It would, actually!

[jaunty dawn]

Ohhh Ive wanted something like this so bad for ages

Ive seen one like wooden product but it was expensiiiive

[pastel rampart]

I've seen those too and yeah I ain't got the money for that.

[rocky shale]

Oh shit this might be what I'm looking for

[pastel rampart]

My friend and I were planning on just building a table but this might fit better in their basement so I'm heavily considering it.

[mental birch]

Keep wanting to build a table but no space

[paper bluff]

If I own the house, I definitely have a warhammer table

[little bay]

yo slim

you seen the first episode of steel ball run yet?

[pastel rampart]

Nope

[little bay]

it's cool

seen it already

[pine matrix]

Looks like fun! And this might be odd to say, but seeing people play with unpainted models gives me a bit of motivation to just build my guys

[spice flicker]

Hmmmm.... Oops all infantry for guard is starting to become more tempting for a crusade force. Just spam as many squads and officers as I can and you know, maybe bring a baneblade or two at higher point levels. Temptation is strong.

Its on tabletop simulator so I dont have to actually worry about painting at least.

[sour sequoia]

Kasrkin and Scion bombs will still do their thing, you can use lots of catachan and cadians for holding points after you trade your bombs for theirs

I think the big deal is depending how hardline you are you probably do want like, an autocannon russ and/or scout sentinels

[spice flicker]

We're going Napoleonic here, massed infantry and any artillery is heavy weapon squads.

[paper bluff]

Yes but what about Calvary?

And forming the squares

[spice flicker]

Rough riders and I guess death riders are acceptable

[mental birch]

Oops all infantry is one of the strongest way to play guard lol

Recon nonsensw

[spice flicker]

Quantity is a quality all of its own after all

[mental birch]

3k points of heresy

[sour sequoia]

Needs more ursarax I think

This fuckin rips

Gotta get on finishing my raven guard but I’ve been side tracked, friends have. Given me a chaos marines army after enough comments on hating marine armies

[mental birch]

Theres already 18 of them

Hahahaha

[vital barn]

27 ursas or bust

[mental birch]

Too expensive

Ahhahaa

[vital barn]

honestly I've been surprised how easy they are to fit into lists but they do cost a lot of £

[mental birch]

Pleasant build

[jaunty dawn]

Can you do a size compare?

[mental birch]

Eeer

Give me a bit

Roughly farsight commander

Size

[jaunty dawn]

Thank youu!!! ❤️

[little bay]

i had an idea what i will play in warhammer wrath and glory

a navy officer lord captain voss harken

i will have my own frigate

and i'll for sure pick the bombardment talent

in other words nuking some poor fucks is on the table

also augmetic of course

[pulsar cairn]

would being big like an Ogryn mean you have more back problems in old age? which i assume isnt a problem since not many get to grow old

[mental birch]

Am now a tau player

[jaunty dawn]

🙂‍↕️

Tau

[little bay]

that ain't the tau

that's da eldar

specifically corssairs

[mental birch]

Corsair

Derp

Was always tau

Oh!

Eldar weirdos

Suggestions on how to build corsiats

[little bay]

corsairs

essentially pirates

[mental birch]

I mean like what guns to give the pirayes

[little bay]

shuriken

[mental birch]

Really? Huh special weapons?

[jaunty dawn]

I think its either none or all

Two datasheets

[mental birch]

Yeah voidweavers

Trying to figure out how to build them

[pulsar cairn]

i like Eldar corsairs but the fact a lot of them dont see a problem with trading with the Drukhari makes me like em a lil less

[atomic apex]

I mean a bunch of them were probably Drukhari at some point, so why wouldn't they

[pulsar cairn]

yeah true

i did imagine they wouldn't be welcome back there tho

didnt think becoming a Corsair was something your former aeldari group took well

[pine matrix]

Do the Custodes have any psykers, in canon?

[junior robin]

looks like they do not

[floral herald]

Not traditional ones

They have a weird psychic link to the emperor

[rocky shale]

Generally it's sword+neuro for the felarch and then swords for everyone except 1 blaster per 5

All swords is also arguably fine

But the blasters are solid

If you're gonna run them as voidscarred instead of reavers (basically only in one detachment) then you also build the guy with two daggers, the bird guy, and the soul weaver holding the soulstones

If you want them for kill team then build all the specialists

[pulsar cairn]

is it like the thing blood angels had with sanguinius?

[mental birch]

Oooh sword good?

Also run em in 5s?

[rocky shale]

Or 10s with yriel

Sword is good but more importantly the rifle is bad

[mental birch]

Aaah

[floral herald]

No it’s a different thing

[jaunty dawn]

kinda like familiar stuff I think

[misty violet]

Is there anywhere that explicitly says that the Custodes don't have psykers or is it simply that they never explicitly have? I'm just genuinely curious if that was ever put in writing, because it both does and doesn't make sense for the Emperor to prohibit/avoid it

On the one hand, he clearly doesn't trust any open psykers (except himself and Malcador) and wants them contained. On the other, the custodes would be exactly the place he could have trialed creating his own personal perfect psykers

[marsh tree]

Don’t think so, but they wouldn’t exactly get along with the Sisters of Silenxe

[misty violet]

True, but the SoS are also responsible for rounding up psykers for the Scholastica Psykana (and to feed to the Golden Throne)

So they must have some respect for their usefulness

[upper canopy]

I do think they just wouldnt grow or send children to the custodes if they were psykers

[broken dew]

probably

[misty violet]

That seems to be the case, yeah, I just wonder if the rationale has ever been articulated anywhere

The Emperor was clearly resistant to Psykers among the Space Marines but they were inevitable based on the scale I guess

[broken dew]

i imagine he made the Custodes resistant to warp bullshit

which maybe isn't inherently disqualifying from being a psyker but i think given they work with the SoS they probably just were never intended to be psykers

[paper bluff]

Well, in theory, they'd be around the most powerful psyker So they wouldn't need a psyker

[jaunty dawn]

Apparently a codex mentions that they dont make psyker custodes

[main pagoda]

might have something to do with the method of making them

[jaunty dawn]

They also have a degree of psychic resistance

And weird souls

[bright dove]

Custodes are obviously the Lesser Daemons to the Primarchs Greater Daemons

[muted elm]

yes. greater daemons of the dark god of the jackboot

[charred bridge]

Custodes were homebrewed DIY daemons from the emp's.
Primarchs were custom ordered professionally done from the chaos God's for the emp's

[floral herald]

They’re weird psychic relays for the emperor and not normal psykers - it’s not super well explained thus far but they have like limited internal psychic comms and can be amped up/remote controlled by the emperor

Well less remote controlled and more like

Locally controlled

[jaunty dawn]

I think it might just be familiar stuff

not a hugely explored bit of the lore

but like it makes sense to me in my head

[desert jay]

Remote controlled like an RC car, not remote controlled like a MQ-9 Reaper drone

[tired cairn]

Assuming direct control?

I'm guessing the emperor isn't terribly capable of that right now though

[pine matrix]

Makes sense them not having psykers I suppose, was just thinking about if that'd be a useful tool for them. But I think Emps saw psykers as unreliable on the whole, at least mortal ones

Don't want a Daemon crawling out of your body guard's heads

[charred bridge]

Well there was the time maybe the emps possesses some random peasant child in front of gulliman to speak to him then the girl died from being possessed by an immense being

[floral herald]

Yeah he's unable too now

[upper canopy]

Our new Warhammer Fantasy RPG party is a Dwarf, a Halfling, an Elf and a Human

all by rolls

[upper canopy]

Also

second time I have rolled 16 for age for a whf character

[upper canopy]

Showed this to our gm and she did find it Very Funny considering how much she loves Dungeon Meshi

[quaint compass]

Altdorf Meshi
Rat Catchers surviving in the sewers by NOT eating ANYTHING EVER

[little bay]

very fitting

[little bay]

i like it too

well gotta wait till the new episodes come

also recently found this image

[hardy harness]

My Psyker's complete

[broken dew]

cool!

[quaint compass]

Snazz!

[mental birch]

Am now a corsair player

Ohno

[quaint compass]

Mandatory pirated rules

[mental birch]

Yaaarrr

But serio8sly truing to build up to 1k

Haahhaa

[pulsar cairn]

i think they are the cooler aeldari faction so we friends now

[junior robin]

bit sad that eldar got rules so you could run a tank company but they got no tank/vehicle HQ

[rocky shale]

The tank detatchment is pretty ass anyways

It gives vehicles assault but like, your army rule can already give one vehicle assault and the rest +2" move

It can deep strike a wave serpent tho which is funny

[past sphinx]

trying to figureout meshmixer now 3dbuilders head

needs about 40 wires and a backpack with a petrol generator for the proper grimdark

[past sphinx]

actually quad nods are cringe

[charred bridge]

It looks like they wear disco light projectors

[past sphinx]

sextuplenods!

[past sphinx]

their just 6 flashlights strapped to his face

[sour sequoia]

Assorted hobbying shit, have locked in my raven guard scheme for heresy and I’ve finally figured out how to make nice lookin ground for basing

[pine matrix]

That's a fantastic colour scheme and gorgeous base!!

[sour sequoia]

Turns out the secret to good black is to ditch black paint entirely

This man is fuckin dark angels green basecoat

[pastel rampart]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer30k/comments/1hs8dv5/meteor_hammer_for_my_tartaros_praetor_champion/ Alright this dude is cooking.

[sour sequoia]

Not a yea

A Hell Yea

Objectively best weapon ever made and I’m realizing I have a good set of parts to do this

[hardy harness]

Question regarding the Aquilan Shield custodes, what would it take for them to stop protecting someone

Besides "right, this is where me needing to protect you ends, ciao"

[humble plover]

Anyone have any thoughts on this girl? I have maybe half an hour of workability left on the greenstuff if anyone has feedback

[hardy harness]

Is that a hood or hair

[humble plover]

hood

[hardy harness]

Right, thanks, sorry

I'd tilt the upper portions of the hem down some to reflect gravity, but that's just a me thing

[humble plover]

What do you think of this?

[thin ibex]

To be honest, probably nothing short of a direct order from the emperor himself

[hardy harness]

That looks a LOT more natural yeah

Sorry

[humble plover]

awesome! thank you!

no need to apologize lol

I like it a lot more too

[viral crest]

I feel like the uh, Lord Commander of the Custodes or whatever their title is probably could, too.

[rocky shale]

With most Custodes stuff if the lore says "they will always do this no matter what" then the answer is that they will never stop doing that thing, becauser there's like 10 of them and they're all nigh-perfect beings by design.

[pulsar cairn]

i had a dream where a custodes gave me a kolibri(very tiny pistol) and told me to go do crime

[pulsar cairn]

are those the corsairs you mentioned picking up yesterday?

[mental birch]

Yes

Hahaha

[pulsar cairn]

nice!

i like em a lot

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/735679742048469082/1485530392512434366/comment-on-the-other-warhammer-factions-like-these-necron-v0-fqaheej73lqg1.png?ex=69c2337d&is=69c0e1fd&hm=f2f5a42ec536dd4e15d57f6d60506321411471c2e8f03111767f0d83fd771ce5&

[spice flicker]

Thoughts on haruspex vs screamer killer?

[thin ibex]

In what way? Which is better?

Personally I think the haruspex is pretty much just better

Though I quite like the screamer killer

It tends to not have a strong niche

The one thing it's got over the haruspex is ap 2 instead of 1

[spice flicker]

Was trying to compare to see which is better in general (and I guess in crusher stampede as well) since theyre the same points cost.

[thin ibex]

Yeah haruspex has better anti armor, more volume attacks, 2 extra toughness, more wounds, 1 more oc

And a precision attack

Screamer killer, as far as things it has that are better, are ap 2, and its battleshock test rule triggers in the shooting phase

[spice flicker]

Was working on putting together a crusade for some friends that would be different than most. Instead of it being pvp focused, I was going to have the small group of players (3-4) all be part of a single super faction (imperium, chaos, aeldari, etc.) of their choice.

Main setting for the crusade was a system that is key for keeping the two halves of the imperium accessible to one another. Said system just barely stopped a hive fleet before reinforcements could arrive but at great cost. The hive fleet was only "scattered" rather than destroyed as the imperium forces present managed to destroy the cohesion of the hive fleet but it split into four parts: the innumerable swarm where most of the fleets psychic bugs also went in what can now be compared to a sea of gaunts, the burrowers who have hidden in caverns (and secret necron tombs) below the main planet's surface, and the crusher stampede force which is now moving like a herd in the ruins of where the nids first landed. There was a fourth fragment but it was destroyed at least.

On top of the lingering (but dazed for now) Tyranid (and secretly necron) threat, Abbadon has sent a small collection of forces to the sector as well to try and wrest control from imperium hands. The players could be the incoming imperium reinforcements, the encroaching chaos forces, or another collective of forces interested in the system based on their choice of armies.

The tyranids (and later necrons) would be pve armies i would control (unless one of the players want to take control for a battle) to create a more pve environment than pvp. The friends i am organizing this for are more used to weekly games like dnd or pathfinder so figured id try to make a crusade that's a bit more structured like what they're more familiar with. There are still opportunities for things like pvp where the players can clash with one another if they want, but theyre supposed to be allies fighting for a single cause than every man for himself.

Was considering starting them off at 750 points but with three list building restrictions:

1. No epic heroes
2. You must have at least one crucible of champions unit as your warlord and overall leader (unless playing knights since they dont get a CoC unit.)
3. Your list can not contain a unit worth more than half your total fieldable points allowance.

[marsh tree]

still no love for Cities 😔

[pine matrix]

That sounds like a lot of fun!!

[spice flicker]

One idea I had was that the first battles for each army might just be king of the colosseum battles. Might justify it as a Structure the friendly matches as the leader of the fleet wanting to arrange a bit of a bonding experience and entertainment for those aboard the flagship by letting the gathered forces non-lethally clash (to burn off stress and get battle ready) as well as let them observe each other to learn more about their allies. A tradition born from the old gladiator sparring pits aboard some space marine ships.

Could be a way for players not used to their chosen army to get a feel for it or those with more experience to test themselves. While xp will still be awarded for these "mock battles," battle scars wont be as to reduce any stress or stakes from the matches besides bragging rights.

What do you think of starting a crusade with a kotc battle?

[junior robin]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/lg5kfaxf/eye-of-terror-new-rules-for-defilers-mutilators-and-kravek-morne/

so they lied about the defiler (twin heavy bolter option is gone) but other then that it looks good.

ok, bit sad that you can do dual guns but not dual scurges.

[pastel rampart]

Dunno how often people used HBs on it anyway.

[junior robin]

I did

[pastel rampart]

Dual scourges would step on the soul grinder's toes. Defiler has always been a weapon platform with some melee to back it up.

[junior robin]

true

[floral herald]

The defiler had twin heavy bolters?

[junior robin]

yeah, the reaper autocannon arm was the same size as the land raider gun so you could swap them out

think its a option all the way back from 3.5 🤔

[floral herald]

I see

[desert jay]

Ah, so it has all the options from the old sprue/box but not all the options from the old sheet

[junior robin]

love that world eaters are anti-grey knights

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/KKsV0/6673338fff.jpg

http://puu.sh/KKsV6/c52ec75d31.png

4th let you give it a CCW.

[junior robin]

[dual scurging intensifies]

[desert jay]

• You know, the guys who’ve been training their siegecraft for ten thousand years. No big deal.
  I feel like they should be better at it by now

[junior robin]

they cant even use basilisks anymore

smh

[pastel rampart]

That's the humor of it, I suppose.

IW's haven't been able to use a Basilisk since the 3.5 'dex and honestly it's probably for the best. Shit was abusive as all hell.

[spice flicker]

CSM with proper artillery would be nice for IW.

[desert jay]

Okay give them the Whirlwind instead

[junior robin]

...wait a minute, we dont even have the vindicator anymore?!

[desert jay]

No, you do

[pine matrix]

I wonder if CSM will get any units that don't have Dark Pact abilities, the Renegade Raiders detachment doesn't have many options to choose from current, afaik

[desert jay]

It's under C for Chaos Vindicator, not V

[junior robin]

[sour sequoia]

Chaos Marines has plenty of big guns tbh especially with defilers now

You just dont really need indirect fire en masse in the army with dark pacts

[pulsar cairn]

is that a tech marine? do chaos space marines still employ tech marines?

[junior robin]

yes but they call them Warpsmiths

[jaunty dawn]

After the warsmiths of the iron warriors

[pulsar cairn]

i see do iron warriors still call em warsmiths?

i imagine it depends on how old the iron warrior is

[main pagoda]

Yes

[pulsar cairn]

neat!

[marsh tree]

Hypothesis: Age of Sigmar will become more loved as the "old guard" fans (grognard AoS haters) die out and are replaced by new, young people who enjoy the idealistic setting

[floral herald]

This already happened

[pulsar cairn]

i sarted to like AoS cause i aint as depressing as 40k

sometimes the setting gets a lil tiring with all the grim darkness so i go see AoS stuff

[marsh tree]

It is?

[floral herald]

It’s the second most popular wargame globally

[main pagoda]

Yeah I'll say alot of the 1e hate has died out and now that old world exists there's no point in hating it

[marsh tree]

It is?

It seems to have a really tiny presence online

[desert jay]

Compare to 40k maybe, but 40k is freaking huge

[main pagoda]

AoS coach server has 15k

Which is a good amount

[marsh tree]

waow...

[jaunty dawn]

Thats pretty much how the aos scene was from like late 2e

[marsh tree]

What changed?

[jaunty dawn]

Mostly the bugs that gave it a really bad reception were sorted by the end of 1e and the actual factions coalesced

[marsh tree]

I thought people were mad that it killed fantasy

and they feel like old world is its reanimated corpse

[jaunty dawn]

Second edition starter also rocked with the nighthaunt

Yeah but it didnt help that the game launched without points or missions

[thin ibex]

Some people are still mad about it, it wasn't the most graceful transition, but AOS is by most accounts pretty darn good

[jaunty dawn]

Also after an edition or two worth of model releases it wasnt just like

What old world kinda is now

[charred bridge]

It's got a lot of that juice and nuance of a reset setting having left quite a bit of lore baggage from fantasy and using what they've learned for the new reboot lore wise

Such is the power of Nagash

[jaunty dawn]

But yeah like you said/people were alluding to it found its own audience, new fans didnt have the emotional baggage, some of the mixed warhammer spaces became less hostile to it, and some people were won over

[quaint compass]

They unfortunately didn't already have 40 years of lore and association for people to be interested in on release of Age of Sigmar

[still warren]

1E had a lot of official joke rules that really added insult to injury after how fantasy ended, people warned up to it slowly as the rules improved

[upper canopy]

Most people have taken Age of Sigmar as it's own thing while still hating End Times

[jaunty dawn]

I like how nagash’s silly rule has become too iconic for him to ever lose it

[sour sequoia]

Its one of those things where its hard to stress how much the age of shitmar people dont play or show up in person unless you make effort to show up in person a ton

Even when I was playing all over denver back like 2011-2015 I hardly ever saw warhammer fantasy people playing, I see AoS games everywhere now

[marsh tree]

I just wanna write my Dracomar yaoi

I see

so it's sort of like trans men (need a better comparison) where you don't see them as much online because they're busy existing in real life?

[sour sequoia]

I assume no malice here but there is literally no version of this analogy you walk outta the room alive

[marsh tree]

noted

My apologies

[sour sequoia]

But honestly its good to understand warhammer online and warhammer The Actual Game And Hobby

Are entirely, entirely separate

[floral herald]

Def

And there’s less of an “online fandom” for AoS because there’s less ancillary material to be a fan of instead of the game

[marsh tree]

Ah!

[sour sequoia]

Fantasy even being around with a fervent fanbase is kind of a happy accident of Total War, being totally real

I say this as someone who has been around for a bunch of it and a fan, I’m not nearly as veteran as Voy and Slim since IIRC slim started playing about the month I was born

but the timescale on this stuff is way bigger and the numbers were lower than people care to realize usually

[floral herald]

Yeah fantasy was… very dead prior to the end times

[hardy harness]

I think a decent chunk of Fantasy fans came from Vermintide tbh

Idk if that's true or not but that was certainly my introduction to it, and I'd be surprised if it wasn't a lot of other folks' introduction too

[sour sequoia]

Observe a fantasy fan and see if they know any factions besides Empire, Chaos, Skaven

[floral herald]

A sort of weird side thing is that AoS doesn’t have much in the way of video game tie ins

There’s I think maybe literally 1 and it’s not super good

[marsh tree]

still think an AoS MOBA would go so hard

[quaint compass]

As always, fantasy was only as alive as GW let it

[hardy harness]

I yearn for Vermintide But AOS

[marsh tree]

aren't there those funny knight guys

[pine matrix]

I was sore about WhFB and the start of AoS but that's entirely cause Fantasy was the first Warhammer game I played as a kid, so there was an emotional connection there, even though I was so dogwater at the game I barely played

[sour sequoia]

I really hate to go “here is a tourist alert” but there’s a retroactive idea of warhammer fantasy that was never ever ever extant

[quaint compass]

That'd be cool as fuck!

[hardy harness]

I also yearn for Vermintide But It's 40k And Also You're A Gaggle Of Xenos

[quaint compass]

Humantide

[pine matrix]

Didn't help I started playing during the Horde rules. Nothing less fun than fighting a 10x5 block of Chaos Warriors with two wizards

[quaint compass]

A crack team of exodites have to fend off an invading horde of rabid humans, dead set on turning your gaia world into a shake-shack

[hardy harness]

The idea I got is like, you're a group of various xenos and maybe a rando human that got caught out in an invasion of some planet by the Imperium, and now you have to fight them off so you can get back to... something, idk

[pine matrix]

Vermintide and TW:W is honestly the best legacy it could have (I don't much care for Old World)

[hardy harness]

An Eldar, a T'au, an Ork, maybe a Necron

[sour sequoia]

Tau and Votann vs GSC uprising boom go

[quaint compass]

Literally Deep Rock Galactic tie-in game

[hardy harness]

Could have GSC be a secondary foe

Primary objective is "get these goddamn Imperium dickheads off the planet" but then surprise! It's the fucking Tyranids!

Have some boss stages where you fight Astartes and Baneblades and such and the big final level is you taking down a Titan Earthmover-style

[quaint compass]

Cthonian Minning Guild
You get an ax, stims, and a deadline. Harvest the ores.

Areas include:
Archeotech Facility
Exodite Forest
Necron Tomb
An Actual Cave

Hardest mission/area
Imperial Palace

[floral herald]

My wishcast 40K tie in game is basically Vicky3 on an imperial planet but you play a chaos cult trying to bring down the government

Kinda shadows of forbidden gods style

[still warren]

For AoS games I would love to see a grungy Cities of Sigmar crusade focused one, or just sky dwarf drg

[pine matrix]

Chaos cult Vs genestealer cult Vs tau friendly insurgents Vs the government

[hardy harness]

And also a Necron dynasty

[pine matrix]

End game threat

[quaint compass]

Alternate Game-mode where you're just a politician, but every event only replaces the types of chaos influence you gain/spread with imperial influence. Everything else remains the same.

[thin ibex]

40k video games need more necron bbegs and fewer fake outs into chaos bbegs

we need a double fake out

[quaint compass]

Eldar Antagonist fake-out

[thin ibex]

'haha it was me, lord barblebooth the evil sorcerer' and then they get impaled on a void scyther and then its 'haha it was me, lord wofijhslojf of the wskjfhwoif dynasty actually'

[quaint compass]

You think you've been dealing with a tzeentchian plot

PSYCH!

[floral herald]

Every dawn of war did that

[quaint compass]

Eeeeh

[floral herald]

(All of them with Eldar anyway)

[quaint compass]

As in, the Eldy were the secret nasties you fight. Not the usual plot-point of them secretly using the other factions and then dipping.

[hardy harness]

That'd be a kickass plot twist, you spend the first act dealing with a Chaos cult, you get to the climax of it and just as it looks like the big grand final boss fight is about to happen, a Necron lord just sort of materializes out of thin air, decapitates the cult leader, and informs you that you're tresspassing and will be shot

[quaint compass]

New Mission
Resettle

[thin ibex]

"Get off my lawn" says the overlord

[little bay]

very cool

[thin ibex]

"Chaos gods? Back in my day we built massive lasers and shot our gods. That's why we took a long nap"

[little bay]

"cause a pirate be free you are a pirate"

[thin ibex]

Necrons might be the most nap-maxxed, sleep pilled faction in the game

[quaint compass]

Nurgle vs Necron nap-off

Who can snooze the longest?

Who can be the most sedentary?

ONLY ON DEMIURGE DEATH DUELS THIS SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY

BE THERE

RER-

[thin ibex]

Damn this war looks like it might be tough. Better nap about it

Long enough to fade into legend

[quaint compass]

Rem claims another setting for bedtime

[little bay]

dawn of war is on sale

[rocky shale]

Total War makes old world seem way cooler than the tabletop ever could be lmao

[upper canopy]

I mean the thing is that like

Fantasy got a shot in the arm with Total War

right as they killed it

Which is: Insane Hell Logic from GW

[rocky shale]

Then they went "oh shit oh fuck we can make money off this" and revived old world

The new Cathay models are genuinely sick but I will not be tricked into playing old world

A game which is unfortunately only played by the smelliest guys in my lgs

[jaunty dawn]

Mood

Tbh even if theyd banked on total war reviving the setting I dont think fantasy would be as big today as aos is

[rocky shale]

The game itself is just clunkier

Which is fine for people who like that

[jaunty dawn]

The aesthetic is also a pretty big part of it like

Aos is built from the ground up to justify its model line and its model line is its biggest selling point

Not that whf models arent cool but theyre more niche

[upper canopy]

Listen I do think the most sensible thing would have been to do the whole set up with AoS and just have it be the "Extraplanar" shit going on while the Old World lived as it's usual self

[jaunty dawn]

That would be funny because it would basically be like

Rogue trader 2!!! (Not a critcism)

[hardy harness]

I still vaguely wanna play as a 40k character that ended up in Fantasy/AoS via Warp Chicanery someday

Either someone important like an Astartes or some rando Militarum guard

Or a Psyker

Militarum guy would be hilarious by sheer virtue of "Suddenly the most powerful weapon in this world is wielded by the most average guy imaginable"

[pine matrix]

"I'm just a regular wizard, yessir, just doing regular magic"

[rocky shale]

Psykers are just kinda wizards who blow up more often

[hardy harness]

This is true

[hardy harness]

Especially because iirc you can flat out recharge las-gun packs in a fucking fire

[quaint geode]

... is this not the 'Excoriator Cannon'? same profile, swapping sustained 1 for +1S?

[rocky shale]

It does break the pack after a while

[hardy harness]

So what once was a kinda mid rifle is now suddenly a LUDICROUSLY powerful weapon of destruction that no warrior can hope to stand against

[jaunty dawn]

I mean magic armour

[hardy harness]

True

[rocky shale]

AoS does have a lot of magic swords and armor floating around. Your lasgun will do work right up until you meet a proper warrior of chaos.

[sour sequoia]

you don't even need crazy fuckery for that, its explicitly in some of the books that Fantasy is occurring on some daemon world swallowed in the rift and 40k is occurring inside Belakor's funny wizard orb in his keep in Fantasy

just do shit man

[junior robin]

sadly not, those are the new patented nipple guns

[vital barn]

endless recursive warhammer

fantasy is inside 40k is inside fantasy, repeat

[floral herald]

A lasgun averages out to approximately space .308 which isn’t that crazy in a world with muzzleloading rifles

Like it’s more powerful and much more quick to fire but it’s in the same category

(Sometimes it’s more powerful, occasionally fish-atomizingly so but that’s sort of an outlier)

[pastel rampart]

The main advantage of a lasgun is how easy it is to operate, can work in damn near any environment, and that ammo is as simple as just recharging the power pack (and the large amount of shots it can carry).

On a logistics level it's amazing.

[rose hill]

yeah and in some descriptions the power pack can be recharged by doing shit like "heating it in a fire overnight"

which is basically like, holy shit, the holy grail

[pine matrix]

WARNING Do not let the Mechanicum of your regiment know you did that or they will blow a capacitor

[pastel rampart]

Charging the power pack in a fire isn't the best idea since it reduces its lifespan and runs the risk of exploding but in a pinch, hey

[floral herald]

Yeah it’s in the manual

There’s like a 10% chance it ruins the pack and a 100% chance you get less shots out of it but

It’s better than no lasbullets

[pine matrix]

Genuinely one of my favourite justifications in the setting, a little bit of space logistics

[sour sequoia]

Fellas I think chaos terminators are back on the menu between Huron and Kravek

[floral herald]

Oh yeah those are good guys for em

[pastel rampart]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Lasgun Okay yeah apparently the average lasgun has 150 shots per pack, real-world infantrymen wish they could get that much.

[little bay]

my god that much?

also they can be overcharged

and used as a bomb as a last resort

as seen in the eisenhorn books

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, 150 is the average tho. I'm sure other variants increase stopping power at the sacrifice of ammo count.

[little bay]

hellguns

and we aren't talking about the volley versioon

that one must empty quick

[main pagoda]

hellguns use different powerpacks

[floral herald]

No surprise but this is also a very variable number

But it’s usually big

[pastel rampart]

Hellguns use a backpack, usually. Much higher draw power for more stopping power.

[main pagoda]

yeah its either the backpack or just hellgun power packs which are higher quality by necessity than the standard lasgun power pack

[little bay]

makes sense

so slim seen the first steel ball run episode yet?

[floral herald]

You know, #1161696278640594954

[pine matrix]

Steel Legion Run (when they see Ghazghkull)

[main pagoda]

are the symbols moulded on the flag or is that freehand? either way looks great

[little bay]

nice corsair captain

[junior robin]

some better pictures of the patches from the biker jacket.

from FB

[misty violet]

Has anyone been able to place the green skull? That's the only one I've felt particularly at a loss for

[junior robin]

most common guess I have seen is "adeptus mechanicus exploration fleet"

but I have not found any matches for it.

[main pagoda]

i thought it was a new legio Metalica thing but idk

[jaunty dawn]

The symbol is quite admech

Like the alchemy symbol

[main pagoda]

I thought it might be agrippa but thats the pie symbol

[misty violet]

I half expect some kind of 40k Titanicus expansion

[junior robin]

the "A" does look like the pre-heresy alpha legion symbol but not sure what that got to do with the rest 🤔 also looks like a pair of dividers used to check distances on maps.

[little bay]

heard someone say explorator

or smth

[jaunty dawn]

The red one is definitely a white scars techmarine on bike

[thin ibex]

Gonna get a generic white scar tech marine before we get a generic white scar captain

Though now with crucible champs I actually feel much more able to make a white scar leader

Only thing is they can't take enhancements?

[quaint compass]

yup

[tepid stratus]

We've gotten 4, two of which are just adaptations of the board games and the other 2 where just bad

[charred bridge]

What I would give for more AoS video games, I love 40k but sometimes fantasy is nice.

Vermintide but AoS would probably go hard

[floral herald]

Lore wise I will note that AoS is unusually well set up for a soulslike

[pastel rampart]

Soulslike in AoS would work too, there's at least like 4 armies you could do it with.

[quaint compass]

And Soulbound is already a solid way to do an RPG with a broad crew of bobodies

[charred bridge]

Stormcast eternal soulslike? That's a sick concept

[broken dew]

i am become Sigmars strongest soldier

[pastel rampart]

Stormcast, any of the 3 flavors of undead, or heck even chaos.

[charred bridge]

Reverse vermintide but you don't respawn at all you just get one shot and you take over a faceless rat from the horde which picks up your old character's equipment when you "respawn"

[broken dew]

Skaven moment

[pulsar cairn]

rat

[tepid stratus]

We've literally got a chaos lord with stolen stormcast powers, Eternus

The opportunity is there

[raven meteor]

I think I'd be obsessed with stormcast eternals if they had any kind of helmet other than 'funeral mask'
Those helmets that are supposed to look like faces just look bad in any media imo 😔
But I very much like 'high fantasy space marine'
A whole faction of that big knight from the ESO trailer

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/paladin-eso-nameless-knight-knight-gif-11483325911537984746

[pine matrix]

[SOMEDAY LOVE WILL FIND YOU]