#Warhammer and Such

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jaunty dawn
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Since the whole cybernetica thing is kinda lobotomising robots more and more to keep the fighty bits going

vital barn
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they're not as smart as the 30k bots but I think they're more "30k animal-level cybernetica cortex but with chains and safeguards" than "deterministic punchcard machine"

broken dew
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but it does feel strange for a robot that as described was designed specifically without a brain

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to somehow gain functions of sentience

vital barn
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average machine spirit moment

jaunty dawn
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I mean also just different interpretations and conflicting sources

broken dew
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yeah

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i guess trying to think of the various doohickeys and robits the mechanicus makes as standardized is perhaps an excercise in futility

jaunty dawn
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Theres a cool hammer and bolter episode about a kastelan though I liked it

tired cairn
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Clearly someone just punchcard codeded in the orders for the those one robots to show up at opportune moments before disappearing again

wide veldt
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Extremely large punchcard that consititutes sentience

tired cairn
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Really sucked when the datasmith dropped the box of punchcards

charred bridge
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Punchcard philosophical zombie

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It's not AI, they're having a deterministic punchcard existential crisis and moral questioning

hardy harness
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...stupid thought

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Can ironkin become psykers

wide veldt
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No but that’s because the dwarves can’t in general

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They have dwarf souls

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Which suck

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Well

quaint compass
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They have their Grimnyr who are psychic ipad-babies

wide veldt
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I’m like 60% sure

charred bridge
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I don't think ironkin have souls

quaint compass
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I think you gotta be somewhat biological in 40k to be given your soul card

charred bridge
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No soul means no warp presence to psyker it up

hardy harness
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solders a piece of meat into central processing unit

"Okay can I have a soul now, I'm kinda made of meat"

charred bridge
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Ad mech thinking

wide veldt
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I’m pretty sure they have souls? Think they’re just a dwarf soul put in a robit

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Put in a Chobits

quaint compass
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We've not been provided with any evidence for it, unfortunately

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and meatkin still require tools to psych you out

broken dew
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are Votann at all similar to fantasy dwarves when it comes to psyker shit or are they just human plus in that field

wide veldt
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They are

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They have weak souls like the tau

rocky shale
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Pistol keyword

quaint compass
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but unlike the tau, they have good psychic technology

wide veldt
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Broader than Just for Pistols

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Like you could give shotguns pistol I guess but it’d be weird

rocky shale
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Pistol is just "can be shot while in engagement range" the keyword isn't just for actual pistols

quaint compass
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Ye

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think the Twin Lance have Pistols without the Pistol Keyword even

rocky shale
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Eldar can give psychic flamers pistol

quaint compass
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But other weapons do

wide veldt
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…. Okay that’s gotta be called something else

rocky shale
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Eh it works since like 90% of stuff that does have the keyword is an actual pistol

quaint compass
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If Primaris get to have Heavy Assault Bolters, my homebrew WE havoc teams get to have Pistol on their Heavy Bolters

upper bluff
charred bridge
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Basically Gellar Fields

hardy harness
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What role would an Ironkin Steeljack play in the T'au military

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Like, what rank would they have, what would their official title be, etc.

wide veldt
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Guy who can hit

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Oh

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I mean they’d p much be Guevsa

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They’re….. kinda humans

hardy harness
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I mean obviously they'd be an auxiliary force

jaunty dawn
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You can also implant a xenos artefact in yourself

hardy harness
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Just don't really know what the hell they would be besides just "auxiliary soldier"

jaunty dawn
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I think tau auxiliaries generally retain their own command structure

hardy harness
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Right

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I assume non-t'au can't attain ranks like general, and that such roles are limited to the Fire Caste

jaunty dawn
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They do commonly get either translated ranks or honorary ranks

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But a steeljack is just a type of ironkin

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So as an individual it would depend on their own merit

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Theyre generally predisposed to do combat good and impress on others but they still have to walk the walk

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But mostly theyd just be in demiurg hierarchy as normal

hardy harness
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Right

rocky shale
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Steeljacks are just beeg ironkin

jaunty dawn
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Steeljacks are ironkin who happen to be jacked

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But its also not exactly happenstance cause they are purpose built to be jacked guys

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When the votann determines that a jacked robot is needed

cloud flicker
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The datasheet looked pretty bananas yeah.

wide veldt
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Thankfully they’re an epic hero so

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There’s at least not gonna be like 3 of them in every army lmao

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What’s their lore btw?

vital barn
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Industry plant farsight replacements, I believe

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The Empire's new faces of Mont'ka (minus their bondmate who was killed)

desert jay
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I think they're more successor than that, AIUI there was someone in the position before Farsight and there will be (theoretically, given how slowly GW advances the setting) someone in the position after them

quaint compass
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A successor is by definition a replacement

wide veldt
quaint compass
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Following their ritual bonding the knife is then carried into battle by the team leader, although it is not designed for use in actual combat, and serves as a reminder of the sacred bond the group shares. Fire Warriors who serve as part of a Battlesuit team may also undergo the process, although instead of carrying the actual knife into battle the team leader may instead paint a knife design onto his armour.

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Battle siblings!

wide veldt
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Oh tbh I thought it was a closer analogue to marriage

quaint compass
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it kinda is

rocky shale
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The new tau epic heroes can very casually move 30" up the board in round 1 without advancing

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8" scout, 10" move, then another 6" move at the end of each fight phase

hardy harness
quaint compass
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Yup

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Big as hell

rocky shale
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If you go second they can start their the 14" up the board it's crazy

quaint compass
hardy harness
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...I wonder if one could go toe to toe with a space marine, actually...

quaint compass
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Yes

desert jay
brittle salmon
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steeljacks are basically terminator equivalents, they will dice up marines

quaint compass
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36 Power Sword attacks with Sustained 1 is a LOT of dicing

hardy harness
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Holy fuck

rocky shale
hardy harness
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The real answer

pastel rampart
past sphinx
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offically yarrik posting

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for no good reason

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im in my misinformation era

upper canopy
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WHITE BOY DUELING AN INCUBUS

hardy harness
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GO WHITE BOY GO

upper canopy
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Entire rest of the warband taking care of the one

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me dueling the other one

slim prawn
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GETTEM

hardy harness
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FUCK HIM UP WHITE BOY

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GO FOR THE NECK

upper canopy
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HE HAS BROKEN MY CHAINSAW

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THINGS ARE GOING BAD

wide veldt
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Stories of his death were greatly exaggerated

upper canopy
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Eizen down to 0 wounds

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our Sister just got downed

slim prawn
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uh oh

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this wrath and glory?

upper canopy
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Dark Heresy 2

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we did win

slim prawn
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got there in the end

upper canopy
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Our kill count this mission alone is an entire gang of hivers with an ogryn

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a grotesque

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and 2 incubi

broken dew
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pretty good kill count

pine matrix
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So with the Lords of the Malestorm battleforce, I've got:
10 Reavers
10 Legionnares (annoyingly, the old sprues rather than the new kill team)
10 Traitor Guard
5 terminators
1 Reaver Captain

Which is about 750ish points if my calculations are correct

Anyone got some suggestions for getting up to 1000 points? I'm guessing some Rhinos would be useful, though the Reavers seem pretty speedy on their own

still warren
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Cogfort! Cogfort!

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pastel rampart
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Finally, a primaris lieutenant door.

spice flicker
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Did Angron, Fulgrim, or Magnus fully ascend into a daemon primarch first?

pine matrix
pastel rampart
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Magnus was first, iirc. Pretty much right after Prospero.

main pagoda
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yes its magnus>fulgrim>angron

spice flicker
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I suspected magnus was first after Prospero but I wasnt entirely sure. Also i couldn't remember if Angron or Fulgrim ascended before the other.

pastel rampart
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Lorgar probably fell to chaos first but he wasn't the first daemon primarch.

main pagoda
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Fulgrim becomes a demon fairly quick after istavaan while angron is at the kinda end of the 500 worlds campaign

spice flicker
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Angron ascended shortly after calth which was just about a year after Istvaan. Betrayer was immediately the aftermath of Know No Fear with about a month and some days passing in book.

pine matrix
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Huh, I didn't realise Fulgrim ascended so quickly afterwards. I don't think it's referenced in Betrayer

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Btw I'm sure this has been discussed at length before but how do people feel about the change that Fulgrim overcame his daemon possession rather than being possessed the whole heresy? I do think it's sensible in the sense of otherwise losing a whole character from the cast, both from 30k and 40k, but I think it could have been an interesting way for the Emperor's Children to degenerate

floral herald
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Oh is it back to that?

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I think it’s been kinda weird flip flopping writing

pastel rampart
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Reflection Crack'd states as much, yeah.

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Fulgrim kicked the daemon out.

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Or, well, I guess "forced it to be quiet" which opens it up to a bit of interpretation but Fulgrim is still pretty much in control (and certainly is by the time he becomes a daemon primarch).

pine matrix
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I do really like the idea of Fulgrim, unable to bare the killing of Ferrus, gives up and then is trapped in his own body for the remainder of the heresy. The lore that he just kinda overcomes the daemon and decides to ascend kinda undercuts that

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Idk, could have done something neat with a Daemon interacting with a Primarch's weird psychic-biology, or something like Argent Tal and his fellow passenger where they reach a equilibrium

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It'd be a good addition to the Daemon primarchs stand their legions. Angron doesn't care about his, Magnus and Mortarion broke to save their sons, a Possessed!Fulgrim who wants to obsessively possess the EC as he leads them into depravity would be neat

main pagoda
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have you read a perfect son?

desert jay
main pagoda
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its got that kinda vibe

pine matrix
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I haven't!

pine matrix
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...what if daemon princes Fulgrim was the daemon that possessed regular Fulgrim through warp shenanigans

quaint compass
pine matrix
junior robin
quaint compass
hardy harness
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What would an elite auxiliary soldier be called in the T'au military?

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I know an elite Fire Warrior would be Shas'Vre, just trying to figure out what a non-Fire Warrior would be called

floral herald
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‘Vre and such are rank suffixes and the Tau use whatever normal name with the rank suffixes at the end EG Gue’vesa’vre

hardy harness
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I see

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So an elite Ironkin would be Ironkin'Vre or some such?

floral herald
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Probably a Tau word but essentially yeah (we don’t have a Tau word for Ironkin)

thin ibex
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Kor'ves/Kor'vesa faithful helper Tau drone i thin kwould be closest, but they'd need to invent a new word probably

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Tau aren't yet in a social position where the AI they currently develop are fully considered people, though there are experiments with digital engrams functioning as fully fledged warriors

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puretide neurochips and Oblotai being examples

jaunty dawn
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Possibly Srry'Tok'Vre

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or just Demiurg'Vre

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it wouldn't refer to them being an ironkin

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I think srry'tok is the closest tau designation we have

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being the tau for seran-tok leagues, probably

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it's not a very explored or recently clarified part of the lore

thin ibex
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where did you find that term? I was checking the tau language lexicon page

jaunty dawn
thin ibex
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two I could find are
Bentus'la wise-gifted ones Demiurg Battlefleet Gothic 2010 Compendium, T'au Kor'or'vesh - The Armada, pg. 155
Kor'ves/Kor'vesa faithful helper Tau drone [1][5]

jaunty dawn
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bfg magazine lore

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oh that might work too

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it would be like bentus'vre for an elite demiurg, srry'tok can be incorporated like how sept worlds are

thin ibex
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there might be a level of "The ironkin consider themselve kin no socially different than a biological kin in the leagues, so the tau would just use the same term they use to refer to biological votann'

jaunty dawn
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i mean yeah kin is kin

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the demiurg comprise ironkin and meatkin

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just like kroot kindred comprise green kroot and avian kroot

thin ibex
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well, kin is kin to the Votann, I'm split on how Tau view 'kin is kin', its not like their unilaterally socially progressive

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In that tau don't generally consider their most advanced AI people; but they might also accept Votann's own terms of address and keep their own ideas about hte personhood of Kin to themselves

jaunty dawn
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I guess it's possible that ironkin in the demiurg would pretend to be robots sure

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but I don't think there's necessarily lore to support that

thin ibex
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ultimately kin of bio or robot, would be seconded to the tau in the tau empire, the same way guevesa are

jaunty dawn
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and it doesn't really fit with the power dynamic of tau incorporated leagues imo

thin ibex
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Actually, noting that guevesa is the term, wouldn't it be something like Bentus'la'vesa?

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vesa seems to denote helper

jaunty dawn
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these are the people that gave them like most of their space technology startup

bright dove
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"That leaguer never takes off his suit and I don't know when he sleeps. Oh well."

thin ibex
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I think the Tau empire respects contributions to their growth, but that doesn't put other races on equal footing to the Tau's "first amongst equals" approach to auxiliary races

jaunty dawn
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I'm pretty confident that la would be replaced with the appropriate honorific

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like how gue'la is A Human

thin ibex
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cause like, human warriors who assist are Gue'vesa, they don't gain the notation of 'la or 'vre

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oh thats true

jaunty dawn
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a gue'vesa commander could be gue'vesa'vre

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like a nco commander anyway haha

thin ibex
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I also don't know if there are rank restrictions for non-tau, like 'vre kinda denotes hero, which has cultural connotations, but it also serves a utilitarian purpose for the tau to establish military hierarchy

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so it wouldn't make tHAT much sense to restrict it

jaunty dawn
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but like the demiurg are so far from human (and machine hating) space that the imperium doesn't even know they're not aliens

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so I don't think they'd hide the ironkin when meeting the tau

thin ibex
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Probably just a socially enforced sense that a Gue'vre would never outrank a Shas'vre or even a Shas'ui without authority being specifically handed out

jaunty dawn
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and after tau create drone tech I don't think they'd go uh actually we've decided a chunk of your population aren't people anymore

floral herald
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There’s some black library stuff with them using the same ranks

jaunty dawn
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partially I don't think the goal of drone tech is to create people at all

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so it's not really analogous

thin ibex
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Oh I don't think they'd hide ironkin from tau, AI are not heresy to the Tau, the curiosity for me is if Tau would consider Ironkin specifically people, or would just nod their head at their supposed peoplehood while providing whatever accomodations are necessary as an ally

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a bit more nuanced than like, seperating out ironkin, but no less culturally dismissive

jaunty dawn
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I mean the cogs would be right there as a comparison right

thin ibex
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definitely

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i think ideally, they'd be more than happy to consider them people as they consider themselves; I jsut don't see the tau empire as like... necessarily always going to be on the right side of the personhood debate in situations; but also political and military alliances will contribute to the aunic ruling on the matter

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I'm disinclined to assume Tau will always rule favorably or even correctly

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Though, I also think Tau don't make one decision for forever

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so a decision made might be amended quickly

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sort of like daemons being diplomatic prospects from another dimension

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I could see tau being policy wise, correct about ironkin, while socially lagging behind that

jaunty dawn
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I think I don't think of it as a like naiive or ignorant position to take?

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treating ironkin differently requires an understanding that they're robot people

thin ibex
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i imagine they appear different on tau scanners?

jaunty dawn
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which is greater than the understanding of just meeting a group of people who have diversity within them

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like they could be cyborgs

thin ibex
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yeah thats true

jaunty dawn
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to be clear it's definitely possible

desert jay
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Also the Tau Empire, leading a confederation a species, might possibly assume the Leagues are a confederation between biokin and ironkin and the differences don't present any issues to unit cohesion

jaunty dawn
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but like I personally don't see it being an obvious or inutive tact for them to take

desert jay
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Whereas Fire Warrior vs Kroot the differences do impact unit cohesion so they don't have mixed units

thin ibex
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to clarify a little, i don't think the Tau would be outwardly disrespectful or oppressive regarding ironkin as members of the tau empire; I think there would be a social view of ironkin as something akin to their finest drones; which would be an incorrect view, but would be relating them to something familiar

charred bridge
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Even the most intelligent drone arent sentient in the way ironkin are

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Id imagine once Tau realize the extent of ironkin's sentience being on par with Votann they'd treat them the same

jaunty dawn
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I basically think “holy shit this person is a robot” is a more likely realisation than “holy shit this robot is a person”

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And as a result not treating ironkin as people requires actively depersoning an individual introduced to you as a person and living a full life

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Like uh. Data

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And like yeah people do do that to data, sure

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But I think its about as likely as treating a scaly meatkin like a pet alligator

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I guess

charred bridge
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The thing is Tau deal with a large variety of psyches and are open to inducting species with very different psychology it isnta huge leap of logic to see ironkin as the same as votann person wise considering the water caste will very much delve deep into their claims and personalities and likely realize they're not just programs

jaunty dawn
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Yeah these are also the people who met giant bugs and were like what if we had a giant bug talking device

charred bridge
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To me that just suggests they'd be more open to ironkin being people on par with meatkin

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That even things that look like giant bugs could be intelligent with personhood

jaunty dawn
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Mhm

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I agree

paper bluff
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I think of kin's society and the iron kin as we all lift together from warframe as a species philosophy

jaunty dawn
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Now I kinda want tau dolphin auxiliaries

desert jay
paper bluff
charred bridge
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I dont imagine it'd ever happen but Tau might be the best bet for solving Votann's ancestor core problems. Tau are behind on the AI front but they learn and develop new tech quickly and probably in like a few years could get an ancestor core equivalent and figure out how to deal with the issues

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Earth caste is pretty cracked when it comes to innovation assuming they're allowed to do a thing

upper canopy
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Tau don't seem to have any issues with AI

desert jay
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I think the issue is the existing ones have so much data it’s impossible to migrate systems

charred bridge
charred bridge
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Dont need to replace them, could upgrade or add stuff that solves the issues enough for a better solution to be made long term

deft crest
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If it hasn't been mentioned as a empire that has created Engrams of Tau leaders, I think they would be able to recognize a sapient AI and be like "Ah yeah thats no engram, makes sense."

spice flicker
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A friend challenged me to trust and make a halfway decent list involving a warhound titan, thoughts on how i did? As he put it "doesnt have to be competitive but does have to be at least a decent list that isnt a complete pushover."

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First thought was going with guard for the challenge but figured why not see about having the warhound guided by war dogs

thin ibex
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The main thing I think I'm resistant to is the idea that the Tau will always make positive and inclusive choices about teh factions they ally with. They respect kroot, but that doesn't mean they approve of kroot, nor does it mean they unilaterally treat them as Tau proper. Tau have a very real imperial issue of treating non Tau as second class citizens; or in the case of 4th sphere expansioners, actively being racist against humans.

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Just because Tau are actively seeking conglomeration doesn't mean they are free of the questions of personhood or the politics of species

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and they are certainly bound to misstep

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heck, their society is divided into strict class hierarchies; and while hte elements are not hierarchal to one another directly, they are strictly apart.

tepid stratus
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Elemental council deals with their unstable relationship with humans a lot. The constant sidelining of human auxiliaries once the problem changes from "war with the imperium" to "human rebellion on newly conquered world"

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While at the same time the main ethereal in the book keeps a human bodyguard and gives no shits at his friend committing tau social faux pas because he knows he's going to do a good job

spice flicker
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Every time I am reminded of the tau castes I cant help but be reminded of problems I hear that the Indian caste system historically had.

thin ibex
pine matrix
spice flicker
pine matrix
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The Farsight Enclaves still do stuff based on the castes, just without the Ethereals, right?

jaunty dawn
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Yes and no

thin ibex
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The boundaries are blurred but still exist

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There's more cross pollination

tepid stratus
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Cultural and to some degree biological inertia lead to most still falling within caste expectations even if the system isn't strictly enforced

thin ibex
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A clarification also, when I said imperial issues, I did not mean issues with the Imperium, I meant issues with their own empire. In case that's necessary

tall depot
spice flicker
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Would you say Lucius or Bile makes for a better mortal champion for slaanesh?

pine matrix
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Lucius, Bile doesn't want to acknowledge that he is a champion of any god

brittle salmon
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Lucius is the most inconsequential and middling champion out of all the cults

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And is also a personalityless andy

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Bile fits better explicitly because he thinks he's better than chaos or slaanesh, which fits the Prince's leanings of ambition and pride

broken dew
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Bile is like 1000% better but would literally never accept the role or acknowledge it

brittle salmon
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And also has things going on

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That suits Slaanesh just fine, it's probably funnier to her

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Ahriman is in the same boat

broken dew
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Slaanesh looked straight at him to a degree that caused him near full organ failure and he just said "must have been the wind"

broken dew
spice flicker
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Still annoyed that we didnt get a bile or ahriman card when mtg did a crossover with 40k. Got a flavorful kharn and lucius though.

broken dew
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ngl whenever i see the name Lucius my brain automatically tries to filter it out at this point

pastel rampart
soft willow
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Slightly different subject, but while we're talking about Slaaneshi champions I miss Doomrider.

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I really want a headless Doomrider character in the next book.

pastel rampart
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I too yearn for the return of DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMRIDER

soft willow
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I mean who else has lyrics to their own summoning song?

pastel rampart
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Test prints on the sentinel weapons I kitbashed. Happy with the results.

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Multilaser needs supports but whaddyagonnado.

sour sequoia
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God the new raveners are gorgeous

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Helps alleviate the tyranid painting woes of ten thousand literally identical models too, 5 uniquely freaky ass bugs

paper bluff
broken dew
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real and true

paper bluff
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I really need to get the cawl books

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I've already read gene father. I have not read great work.

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Does he have another one or another one coming up?

soft willow
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Archmagos just came out a few months ago?

pulsar cairn
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i also need to read cawl books

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i read "The great work" and loved it

pastel rampart
pastel rampart
deft crest
sour sequoia
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Only ones left is funky crab claws and the injector talons one

deft crest
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I gotta find where i posted mine

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They stay in a dogbowl in my car with their tokens so i'm always ready to play

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You know whats nice about only haveing 5 models? They can always be carried with me to stores Cerb_Hehe

mental birch
sour sequoia
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Woe, one hundred neophytes upon ye

mental birch
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🙁

little bay
paper bluff
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I'm not even joking, fabius turbo atheists So hard that it's painful for demons to be near him

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Which is unfortunate because he has a female clone that either became a demon or I forget how it worked. Thay he calls his daughter that shows up sometimes to tell him things.

little bay
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damn

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that is impressive

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i have so many ideas for characters for warhammer 40k wrath and glory

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perhaps a lord captain navy officer?

thin ibex
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You know something I think about is how the vast majority of people don't even think Space Marines are real in the setting. Like they think of them as divine, not of this world beings, who have statues and stuff but aren't actually real

pine matrix
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There's a great comic I read as a kid where there's an elder retelling the awakening of a tomb world on their jungle feral planet and how angels came to save them, while the panels show the actual battle between the space marines and the Necrons, and as he declares "they saved our souls and our world!" It zooms out and the tribe is huddled in crater in a vast empty wasteland

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Think it read it when I was 12 and it stuck with me ever since

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For some reason my school library had a bunch of Warhammer comics and books

little bay
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curious

paper bluff
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And only 10,000 custodes

little bay
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1000 space marines per chapter

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how many chapters there are is beyond me

floral herald
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About a thousand

paper bluff
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Right But quick back of the napkin traitors included maybe 10 million space Marines.

little bay
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cool

floral herald
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But some are overstrength or understrength and there’s weird primaris math

paper bluff
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I can tell you the brotherhood of a thousand has exactly a thousand

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And you might ask, "oh. What's the chapter symbol for the brotherhood of a 1000?" why it's the Roman numeral for a 1000

desert jay
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Ⓜ️

pine matrix
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Brotherhood of a thousand marching past you: Ⓜ️Ⓜ️Ⓜ️Ⓜ️Ⓜ️Ⓜ️Ⓜ️Ⓜ️Ⓜ️Ⓜ️Ⓜ️Ⓜ️Ⓜ️Ⓜ️Ⓜ️Ⓜ️Ⓜ️Ⓜ️Ⓜ️Ⓜ️

jaunty dawn
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♏

quaint compass
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When are they going to add the MK Ultramarines?

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(Wait, that's just the Lamenters)

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(And the Cursed founding in general)

jaunty dawn
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Exorcists style attempt to make bootleg grey knights but they just give aspirants a ton of drugs hoping to activate latent psychic powers

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This joke is kinda ruined by the fact there are drugs that give you psychic powers in 40k

little bay
jaunty dawn
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Called ghast

tired cairn
jaunty dawn
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Though it does say that it works by enhancing latent psychic powers but like, in the way all non blanks have them I feel

broken dew
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i thought exorcists were the ones that stuck demons in people

tired cairn
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Maybe ghast is too expensive for their budget

broken dew
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which chapter was i thinking of

tired cairn
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Oh. Is it temporary?

jaunty dawn
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Yeah

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Lasts the fight

tired cairn
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Maybe they have higher aspirations

jaunty dawn
tired cairn
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Though I'm surprised a drug that can give someone psychic powers is common enough to be "popular"

broken dew
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oh ok i was thinking of the right ones then

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wasn't Ghast made from really expired food stuff

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from necromunda

jaunty dawn
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Theres a fun thing you can do where a van saar leader can have a skill that lets them use intelligence instead of willpower (and thus for psychic powers) with their maxxed intelligence and then you give them ghast to have psychic powers

broken dew
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In the ancient bunkers of Necromunda, decayed artificial reconstituted diet remnants transform into a substance called ghast, a lurid green powder with potent psychic effects. Derived from Corpse-Starch, these deposits contain human proteins, giving ghast its unique properties. When ingested, ghast can either awaken psychic abilities or dangerously draw a person’s soul into the warp, depending on the individual's spiritual strength.

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yeah i was right

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if you let corpse starch expire really fucking badly it turns into drugs that make you magic

charred bridge
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I think its something unique to necromunda

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Cause that corpse starch is combined with all the everything dumped into the ground

broken dew
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i'm fairly sure it is yeah

charred bridge
jaunty dawn
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Thats wild

charred bridge
jaunty dawn
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Hehe ye

junior robin
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been reading HH 3e and it looks a bit funny with how the "troop" category is filled

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space marines get 10-20 man squads

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admech gets 1 techpriest.

jaunty dawn
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Idk if its funnier if necromunda is the average level of weirdness for a hive planet or an extreme outlier

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I guess armageddon has the weirdness of being ullanor and all that shit

charred bridge
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Necromunda georg

main pagoda
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I think necromunda is an outlier by the amount of wacky archotech there but i think everything is pretty par for the course of a hive world

sour sequoia
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Necromunda is kind of outlier-because-they-keep-writing-about-it

charred bridge
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Normal shennigans but with wild tech

sour sequoia
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Every hive world is completely unhinged and more or less beyond mortal ken of any individual

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You’d have to write about the others and their own brands of bullshit

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Probably Most Unique Thing is the uh, malstrain

broken dew
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there's a whole STC thing going on with Necromunda as well

vital barn
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yeah fucking everyone is on Necromunda, those guys have a whole STC and genestealers and DAOT guys getting out of vaults and stuff

sour sequoia
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That pretty much can’t leave necromunda without obliterating the entire setting as the tyranids fall to chronic wasting disease

broken dew
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as in iirc there is just a full on intact STC on the planet

vital barn
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it irradiates you a bit, but yeah

broken dew
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what's a little bit of rads when you have a fucking STC

jaunty dawn
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Tbf Idk if an stc being on a hive world is that unusual

junior robin
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tried to see if there was any fun lore for other hive world but the most interesting I found is fort Crispin on Jones Crispin World

jaunty dawn
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Tho maybe it not having been yoinked by the admech

sour sequoia
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Armageddon has fun stuff, Moebius has fun stuff (Darktide)

jaunty dawn
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Which is presumably what happens to them

broken dew
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i think the thing with Necromunda's STC is it's a fully functioning one

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it's not like

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a fragment or a blueprint

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it's more complete

upper canopy
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"An STC for a knife pattern"

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Its the whole shebang

broken dew
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but yeah if the Mechanicus knew

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there would not be a House Van Saar

jaunty dawn
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But like its not really seemingly doing a lot that existing tech base isnt

broken dew
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Necromunda would be immediately besieged so they could grab it

jaunty dawn
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And like rhinos etc they came from stcs

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But like yeah admech would definitely view it as theirs

broken dew
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i mean regardless it's a holy relic to the Mechanicus

jaunty dawn
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And the votann if they found out its also basically an stc and it was found

broken dew
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if they knew it was there, they would take it

still warren
upper canopy
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I never understood one thing about Necromunda

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How do the factions have all these uniform defects if the playable gangs aren't even remotely close to the noble houses that run them

jaunty dawn
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They are

upper canopy
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They aren't tho

jaunty dawn
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Theyre paramilitary forces organised by the houses

upper canopy
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Like they dont go into the upper hive

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Yeah, organized by

jaunty dawn
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Not gangs sponsored by them

upper canopy
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But dont they need to hire new people?

jaunty dawn
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Not from without

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At least not exclusively

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Like the houses are basically a nation unto themselves

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They grow by having kids

upper canopy
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That doesn't feel like how the game presents things

jaunty dawn
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And like, what makes the nobles at the top nobles is the fact that they control these nations

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In many ways it isnt, but its the lore of the game

main pagoda
jaunty dawn
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Like yes, the game presents itself as being a game about playing a criminal gang made up of the dregs of society

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But the game is actually about playing one of several competing military forces in entirely sanctioned conflict

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There is the option of playing other things, mind, but in terms of the core houses?

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Youre not wrong that theres a contradiction

upper canopy
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Cuz most of the lore does make it sound like gangs get sponsored by nobles

main pagoda
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they do

upper canopy
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Not that the nobles form and deploy their own gangs

main pagoda
#

so its both

jaunty dawn
#

Like everyone in goliath clan is a gene smithed guy

main pagoda
#

gangs are sponsored and created by the upperhives to serve their interests in the underhives but houses and gangs are different

jaunty dawn
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The nobles in charge of the goliath clan are part of the goliath clan (and thats what makes them nobles)

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The goliaths that join a gang and participate in the warfare are also part of the goliath clan

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The goliaths who are foremen or workers in their factories are part of the goliath clan

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Goliaths do not pick up hivers off the street to be in their gangs

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They hire them temporarily, sure, but theyre not part of the gang

main pagoda
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"Lastly, there are the ‘Unborn’, or outsiders. These
are by far the smallest sub-group and are made up
of men and women who have been ‘enhanced’ by
Goliath growth technologies to earn a place among
the House. Unborn are unusual in that they have
chosen to join the Goliaths, sometimes unwillingly,
rather than been born to them. To become Goliaths
they must undergo dangerous augmentations to
change their bodies. Despite coming from outside
the clan, the Unborn are welcomed into the House
provided they can prove their strength and will to
survive the rigours of the Goliath life; Unborn are also
valued by the Natborn as a means of introducing
more diversity into the Goliath genus, and another
potential key to unlocking a future for the clan free
of the amneo-vats."

jaunty dawn
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Outlaw gangs do exist; some of them are sponsored by the clan houses, yes; but your question was why are goliath gangs all gene smithed roiders, and thats the answer

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(And the same for van saar being irradiated, delaque being tall and bald, etc)

jaunty dawn
main pagoda
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well thats the thing right gangs and houses are seperate entity's in some ways

jaunty dawn
#

There also mechanically a difference between making a house gang and making an outcast gang with a house patron, though some overlap in options

main pagoda
#

When you do make a house gang though you are the lowest of the low at the start of a campaign where while you might be a member of whatever clan your also at the bottom of a very long line of gangers who serve the hive so you kinda have to do what you can

jaunty dawn
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Yeah

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Doing good at gang is a lot of the social mobility

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Theres also a big difference between like, the heads of the clan houses and the actual ruling nobility

main pagoda
#

oh yeah clan houses and noble houses are just completely different breeds of power

jaunty dawn
#

And like escher as a clan house are descendants of a fallen noble house

thin ibex
#

How important is the stuff that goes down in the under hives?

upper canopy
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Fairly

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Its like twice as big as the rest of the levels

finite compass
#

The Underhive is both a place where the Houses can let loose with open warfare without fear of anything vital to their operations actually getting damaged, and it's lousy with Archaeotech

thin ibex
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Tangential but I was thinking

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I used to think crisis suits get a lot of shots out per unit with burst canons, despite having no base AP. Itd be 24 shots at str 5 ap0 (1 if it's against infantry). Then I remembered that intercessors get 40 shots out per unit if they are within 12 and all targeting the same target

mild glen
#

Space Marines do feel downright unfair sometimes, yeah

thin ibex
#

This is assuming a 10 man intercessor team to be fair, which no one brings

mild glen
#

You can squeeze out, like, 12 more shots out of those Crisis suits. They hit one worse, but are twin-linked

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(Realistically you're not bringing that many gun drones)

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Wait. Sorry only six more shots I forgot suits can't double up on drones, any more

paper bluff
#

Also re: exocists

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To me, it seems more less a process of making more grain knights and more like making a chapter of artificial blanks kinda

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Having read their book

desert jay
#

Grain knights 🌾

jaunty dawn
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They fight demoms

thin ibex
#

they purposely get posessed and then get exorcized right/

jaunty dawn
#

And theyre like a thirteenth founding chapter made by inquisitors

jaunty dawn
#

It is absolutely true that their traditions dont result in making more psykers ofc

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Though they do use the librarius symbol as their chapter symbol for whatever reason

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Also apparently they (might be) led to believe theyre grey knights??? Until they become veterans and the chapter command are like sorry guys were just imperial fists. Sorry. Btw Last Wall exists

thin ibex
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I see what it is

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They're Bolter!Grey Knights

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Not that Grey knights don't have bolters

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Just that they're not Bolter space marines

paper bluff
#

Tell you one thing. The exocists are immune to psychology

past sphinx
paper bluff
#

Well kinda. They do have group therapy to make themselves feel better about having 90% of their souls ripped away

jaunty dawn
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Immune to psychology is so funnyyy

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You say “ooh I bet you cant bust down this door” and they say “reverse psychology doesnt work on me heretic”

charred bridge
#

Exorcist beating Tzeentch because they just don't have hubris to exploit

paper bluff
#

I mean you joke but that is in the book

charred bridge
#

Really? That's amazing

hardy harness
#

There any chance of a renegade marine defecting to some xenos faction or another or is the indoctrination so deep it prevents them from doing so?

main pagoda
#

It's certainly more than possible can't think of any examples off the top of my head but it's not impossible

humble plover
#

It's that their indoctrination would prevent them from doing so I'd wager, but I feel like most imperial space marines aren't going to get vibe with any of the xenos factions they could defect to

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Obviously it's a big galaxy so it has almost certainly happened somewhere, but like, I can't see ye average space marine getting along with the Tau for instance, who would be the most likely to let them in

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Maybe like, an ultramarine who really just wanted to help

pine matrix
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Yeah, the hypno-indoctrination kinda programs them to feel automatic revulsion and hatred for aliens

charred bridge
#

Im surprised there isnt liek a story about a renegade astartes that allies begrudingly with xenos like long term to basically defect to them, it would be a great deconstruction of the space marine brainwash

pine matrix
#

That would be really great

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Maybe they're an Apothecary who's got the gene-seed of his unit that have gotten killed by the Tyranids, needs to get them off world, ends up fighting alongside the Tau against the Tyranids with the idea "eventually, I'll betray them and escape back to my chapter" but the opportunity doesn't present itself, then reality breaks through the conditioning, until eventually when the opportunity to leave presents itself, he doesn't take it

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Isnt there a story which involves the Tau interrogating a Raven Guard?

charred bridge
#

Yea but he convinces the other humans to get him his armor and weapons then they break out

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The Tau learn the degree of the astartes brainwashing is like inconceivably deep to them as you'd need a very very strong level of zealot extremism to get that out of a supersoldier.

Which is funny cause the Tau already knew the imperium was insane with how their warp travel works with Gellar Fields and such but the interrogated space marine made them realize the imperium was batshit insane

pine matrix
#

Read the excerpt where the Inquisitor who switched over to the Tau says when the Space Marine asks if they're trying to convert him "no, we can't convert you because you have no free will, you're not human."

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But, Night Lords are able to torture details out of Space Marines, so even Astartes have a breaking point

broken dew
#

yeah but that'skinda different from making them change their ideological and factional stances i feel

pine matrix
#

Sure, though it's a small break I'd say, aiding a traitor to protect themselves, however they justify it

broken dew
#

sure

sweet solar
#

ahh itd be different by chapter overall and different by writer in each specific case anyway

broken dew
#

that too

cinder wraith
#

RT land speeder

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broken dew
#

safety is for nerds

pine matrix
#

Crashing into a chain link fence and then just having that wrapped round your face for the mission

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Wait hold on: Space Marine Flintstones car

valid brook
#

in my stupid tiny car, straight up “beakin it”

thin ibex
#

Apparently the Tau Empire has tried to break the psycho condition of a space marine in the past, a Raven Guard, using mind probes. They failed catastrophically.

broken dew
#

didn't they try to psychically interrogate a Space Marine, but he killed himself by willing his hearts to stop while they were in his head and all the interrogators died as a result

thin ibex
#

Yeah Im pretty sure that's what happened

broken dew
#

i would genuinely give up trying to do anything useful with space marines at that point ngl

pastel rampart
#

Funny how Tau can't do it but chaos can be like "hey buddy want to grow a tentacle out of your eyeball?" and have it work.

broken dew
#

Tau are icky xenos

floral herald
#

See it’s probably because the Tau are like “hey wanna be a righteous defender of the weak and spread the greater good?” And chaos is like “how bout you stop with this weak shit and murder like you know you were meant to?”
which message will resonate with living weapons

broken dew
#

lol

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the greater good is me(a space marine) blowing your(icky tau) head smoove off

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but yeah idk appealing to the humanity of a weapon ismaybe not the eay to go

humble plover
#

also something something eldritch forces leaking into reality supernaturally corrupting things they come into contact with

thin ibex
#

I do think it's also cause like, chaos is implied to have esoteric passively corrupting effects alongside the mental manipulation and demonic temptations

quaint compass
floral herald
#

Lmao

thin ibex
#

One of the themes of the setting is that nothing with a soul is immune to the corruption of chaos, just a wide variance on resistance, right?

floral herald
#

Strictly speaking nothing is

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Stuff without a soul is actually easier

thin ibex
#

And or they have a different warp sugar daddy

humble plover
#

though funnily enough I do think the most likely case for xenos-aligned space marines are traitor astartes that aren't particularly chaos-inclined going "bollocks to this"

thin ibex
#

I generally feel like renegade marines will work with xenos more readily than loyal ones as a means to an end or to access gear, but its not a high bar. Actually throwing in with xenos seems a harder sell

humble plover
#

yeah part of the whole deal with necrons I thought is that they just don't interact with the warp

floral herald
#

That’s through great effort and anti-warp wards and such

thin ibex
#

I always figured them unilaterally letting their souls get eaten was a part of their resistance to the warp

humble plover
#

and then there's obviously blanks

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but they're a special case

thin ibex
#

Blanks are weird to me because it's not as absolute as its given, there's apparently levels to it, and enough warp fuckery can just overwhelm their immunity

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Same with null rods, there's a limit to how much they resist

floral herald
#

Blanks have negative soul instead of lack of soul so they’re weird

broken dew
jaunty dawn
#

Those are unrelated terminator guys

humble plover
jaunty dawn
#

The silent king is hunting them down for trademark violations

broken dew
#

and i know, i was making a joke

thin ibex
#

Maybe the ctan being involved in the necron soul eating also contributes to their chaos resistance along with their tech

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Cause I think necrons have the best anti warp nonsense technology, lore wise anyway

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Ctan being like physical reality gods probably helps

broken dew
#

nah i'd Blackstone Pillar

humble plover
#

because like, the main purpose the sisters of silence served pre-heresy was being a secret police/investigative body that could learn anything and everything they could about chaos to fight it without risk of being corrupted

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(which is also why they swear vows of silence, so they can't ever tell people who will get corrupted what they know about chaos)

floral herald
floral herald
#

And why they’d have allied with the GEOM early on

broken dew
#

GEOM?

humble plover
#

God Emperor of Mankind

jaunty dawn
#

I thought his name was neoth or something

broken dew
#

ahhh

humble plover
#

its all a little uncertain because theres just so little lore for the SoS, but its likely

floral herald
humble plover
#

Jimmy Space

broken dew
#

and they are his space marines

jaunty dawn
#

Geom does sound kinda like jim

floral herald
#

Geommy Space

thin ibex
#

Id probably also hazard that, not that we have any accessible, full or whole ctan are likely immune/ antithetical to the warp

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Since apparently warp entities and ctan were sort of weak to each other

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Ctan would probably just die and not be corrupted

little bay
little bay
#

greetings

cinder wraith
#

my chudlings are painted

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they will be put into the oil chamber tomorrow (oil painting them)

pine matrix
#

Yo they look slick as hell

little bay
paper bluff
paper bluff
#

Demons are energy beings of the warp. C'tan, are energy beings of real space

#

You could go further and say that demons are energy beings of emotion. And the Catan are energy beings of logic

paper bluff
#

And in being "the forgotten" it makes sense to me. The leader of the siss of silence had a blank ability so powerful that if you weren't looking directly at her or paying attention due to how the powers of being a blank are You'd kind of forget her like the silence from doctor who

charred bridge
#

I like to believe one of the missing primarchs is just missing and there's not much more to it. They never found him and Big E hates it being brought up

paper bluff
#

Supposedly in the dark cells, there was one marked subject eleven, and if bro just walked out During that time the astronomicon flickered that would be funny

sour sequoia
#

It a big galaxy

#

Big chunks of it are explicitly unexplored

#

IIRC like Nostramo is also wild west because for whatever reason the ghoul stars are so insanely fucked up basically nothing lasts long out there

charred bridge
#

I also like the idea that one of the lost primarchs Big E just straight up killed as they were beyond redemption and that's saying a lot considering Angron/Curze

sour sequoia
#

Every Planet Death World And Necron Tomb Worlds Fallen To Flayer Virus

broken dew
#

don't go to the ghoul stars

sour sequoia
#

The nicest planets are nostramo and that one RG successor with the xenos crystal great value golden throne they feed their chapter master to

broken dew
#

the bene gesserit marines are over there if i'm not misremembering

charred bridge
#

This but planets around Ghoul Stars

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Horrors beyond my comprehension

sour sequoia
#

Its like all isolated RG successors, Night Lords, Necrons, and then some fuckshit Bile’s searching for in his next book and unexplored shit that not even the great crusade cracked

broken dew
#

Over the millennia, the Death Spectres have been preparing for the Cadash, which translates to "Living Chalice," someone of great significance who, upon taking their place upon the Shariax, will bring about the "Great Resurrection." The leadership of the Death Spectres has apparently been sowing the seeds of fate to bring about the Cadash's rise throughout the Chapter's history.

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mfw the Kwisatz Haderach

pine matrix
#

There's another story I wanted to write about a torchbearer fleet dropping off their Primaris marines at the Death Spectre's door

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And the Primaris being like "why the fuck won't any body talk to us, why are we confined to this part of the fortress-monastery, what the fuck is going on"

broken dew
#

mfw i am a Dark Angels Primaris getting dropped off at The Rock, being led to the torture chamber

little bay
#

oh damn

junior robin
#

got nostalgic for my renegade chapter, the true adherents of Dorn, who went rogue after their chapter master had a vision of a primarch returning only for it to be Roboute showing up with primaris replacements.

image.png
#

colours are yellow with with unpainted arm/leg/helmet left to rust so they can be painted yellow and absorbed back into the imperial fists upon Dorn's return.

#

really tempted to get the HH starter box and remake the army in the updated 40k "scale"

little bay
junior robin
#

also would love to upgrade the chapter master to a thanatar body but I feel that would be too big to count as a daemon prince videogames

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pine matrix
junior robin
#

thanks, really happy with how the army turned out, wish I had the time to dig it out

#

also want to expand it now with some old marine dreads that no longer have rules so I can use them as hellbrutes...

#

another idea I had for expanding it was with black templars counting as Khorne berzerkers.

paper bluff
#

I mean, chaining weapons to themselves was a world eater's thing.Before it was black templars. sigismund got it from kharn

pastel rampart
#

Couldn't find a damn magnetized hunter-killer missile so I just made my fuckin' own.

sour sequoia
#

Oh Hell Yeah

#

Thats a powerful bit to have on demand tbh

broken dew
#

just spent like 5 hours working on some gunpla stuff and coming around from that to look at Warhammer stuff is always really interesting

vital barn
#

every second black library novel

charred bridge
#

Meanwhile guy named Slaughter

#

Or built different (to always suffer) Dante

vital barn
#

dante feels no fear for different reasons

#

"please for the love of god someone put me out of my misery"

charred bridge
#

His fear is already happening, having to clock in tomorrow morning

#

He hasn't had a day off in thousands of years and is always on call

vital barn
#

the longest break he's had was probably when the swarmlord removed a random assortment of his organs

charred bridge
# vital barn

The opposite of this story is random named space marine who was like any other elite recruit, except they're the perfect counter to the mcguffin because of their own stronger mcguffin they never used before which saved him from being killed like dozens of his brothers who had much more experience and combat prowess

brittle salmon
charred bridge
#

I wouldng be surprised if that happened to both of them

vital barn
#

dante got sworded so hard he started hallucinating? sanguinius coming down and telling him that he had to go back to work, at which point dream-dante broke down completely and started begging Sangy to let him die

#

and then he woke up and was merely chopped up a lot and horribly poisoned so the BAs filled him full of marine juice again and dragged him off to see Guilliman, who had just arrived to relieve Baal

brittle salmon
#

Swarmlord jobs less then bloodthirsters do, jesus

vital barn
#

I think they traded? I can't remember

#

decent swarmlord performance anyway

charred bridge
#

The rare instance of ressurection with no horrific permanent corruption and it was on the guy who didn't want it.

misty violet
#

The Swarmlord, being the only conventional named character for the Tyranids, gets to have some wins of its own despite also being an endlessly respawning giant monster like Bloodthirsters and Avatars of Khaine

vital barn
#

also Titans

misty violet
#

I know there's also Deathleaper and Old One Eye but they're not quite the same thing

vital barn
#

Swarmlord does do some jobbing though

#

at one point he died to a single Custodian warden

charred bridge
vital barn
#

swarmlord has like a solid B to C ranker career

misty violet
vital barn
#

stabs some guys, messes up some named characters, tends to not die too embarrassingly most of the time

#

I would say that's B rank but now Primarchs are A so Chapter Masters and such take up B

misty violet
# vital barn

It does kill me that there's that one piece of Necron war gear, the Gaze of Flame I think, that can explicitly strike fear into things like computers and Tyranids

charred bridge
#

And necron warriors too iirc

runic swallow
charred bridge
#

This warrior has no resemblance of sapience but it's afraid now

runic swallow
#

Honestly it’s so, so funny how much of a miserable time he has all the time

runic swallow
charred bridge
#

Someone saw Calgar/Gulliman and was like, I could make an even more deppressed character

vital barn
#

dante is the one blood angel character whose stories I like because it's just:

#

black rage and red thirst barely feature

runic swallow
#

Yeah because that’d be an escape from his knowledge of his existence

#

Can’t have that

charred bridge
#

I don't even know any other named blood angels besides sangy boy and the one blood angel reaper that's basically immune and kills those fallen to black rage

vital barn
#

mephiston, the most wanked space marine psyker ever including Tiggy

misty violet
runic swallow
#

Tycho, but he’s dead as hell now

charred bridge
#

Damn really

runic swallow
#

Wait, he is a BA right?

sour sequoia
#

BA has so many named characters that are So Nothing

#

Mephiston is funny, Dante’s one of the more engaging Astartes characters, and then ?????

misty violet
#

Somehow the Blood Angels feel like they get away with the ridiculous power scaling characters

runic swallow
charred bridge
#

Yea Astrorath is the guy

sour sequoia
#

Literally who the fuck is Lemartes

vital barn
charred bridge
runic swallow
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Wait really? Damn I was wracking my brain trying to think of any more an there this many guys?

sour sequoia
runic swallow
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Or does this include like, book only dudes

vital barn
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oh yeah Corbulo, I'm sure he needs to appear in every book just to appease the thee Corbulo fans out there

sour sequoia
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They always have enough problems I think they should have fun

charred bridge
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Or a Necron lord that feels slighted by a random nonsentient unthinking necron warrior from a different dynasty and wants to make it suffer

vital barn
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lexicanum also includes books but they have a fuckton of guys with models too

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the only one I think is actually cool lacks unique character rules

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although he is cool because he died in a fun way

misty violet
runic swallow
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I like Tycho just because he was a kinda official “your dudes” model, his whole history came from White Dwarf battle reports iirc

misty violet
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The difference between, say, Tigurius and Mephiston is not that they aren't both ridiculous power wanks but that Mephiston is also cool

runic swallow
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Where he got fucked up whenever he got killed in a game

charred bridge
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BA plot armor gets paid back evenly in something terrible

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Sanguinis was like a god amongst primarchs yet got so clapped it doomed the future of his entire geneseed. A pretty good tradeoff for soloing titans

runic swallow
vital barn
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Mephiston is actually my least favourite psyker because he is so Bloodedge the Griffin, but that manifests as like 60% of the time I go "ah it's this fucking guy again, fuck off" and the other 40% I go "you know what let's have some mephiston"

runic swallow
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Mephiston is a sometimes food

vital barn
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whereas Tiggy is just whatever

charred bridge
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Oh it's the psyker librarian that just got over the black rage a few times

vital barn
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just a nothing character, he evokes no feelings either way

misty violet
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Yeah Tiggy feels like he only exists so the Ultras can have the display model of "best psyker"

runic swallow
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Dante is just a squeeky toy of misery, it’s great

vital barn
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yeah, his deal is that he is too angry for the black rage somehow and he expresses this by being hilariously chuuni and having tons of narration about how his fury is icy extra refrigerated

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he is basically just this guy in power armour

charred bridge
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Dante's plot armor exists purely to make his day worse

misty violet
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He's got a whiff of the Coppola Dracula drip though

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He's even got a mallninja cross-sword

charred bridge
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Cacaradons I think are BS but it's so seemingly unserious I let their edgy power fantasy slide cause of how ridiculous they are

vital barn
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he's the right kind of shameless 12 year old power fantasy for Warhammer, I absolutely don't deny that

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also nice model

runic swallow
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Wasn’t it that he was unable to do anything with it for so long under the rubble he looped back around to a weird sanity? Or may be an entirely different persona rebuilt from scratch/psychic powers

runic swallow
charred bridge
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Oh I think they're very neat

misty violet
charred bridge
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It's just so ridiculous and I respect how it doesn't seem to take itself seriously

vital barn
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I really like the Forge World self-serious era, the Siege of Vraks books are the best campaign books GW has ever done

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also the Red Scorps are vaguely fun

runic swallow
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I think it’s more that they just went with a footnote of a concept and then went “what could we do to make this interesting while still doing their established bit as hard as possible”

charred bridge
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Ryza is as real nice too

misty violet
runic swallow
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I love the FW books written like historical campaign books

misty violet
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I just vacillate with the Sharks because they were clearly someone's favourite thing and I swing between being into them for that reason and feeling like they're just a little too much

runic swallow
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Taking the absurdity dead serious

vital barn
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if I ever did a 40k space marine army it would be a toss-up between Minotaurs and Red Scorps because I just love some shameless bootlicker marines

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Minos especially have some fun stuff going on but I think Moloc lost his rules

misty violet
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But then, I will admit my favourite chapter are the Red Talons precisely because of the ridiculous Horus Heresy Autek Mor lore from FW

runic swallow
vital barn
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was he the guy who dropped a moon on some world eaters?

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that was a fun battle

vital barn
misty violet
vital barn
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Carab Culln

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like three infantry models and a relic leviathan customised to him

brittle salmon
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Red Scorps are on some weird purity shit that gets too skeevy for me

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Minotaurs are just unabashed bootlickers and headtakers

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Which is fun

vital barn
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on one hand they're giant freaks, on the other hand I like their colours and think having an apothecary in every squad is fun

brittle salmon
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Far better than the Marines Malevolent who are just dipshits for no raisins

charred bridge
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I would make a renegade meme roaming legion of white scars that commit tech heresy onto he regular like strapping a couple salvaged nightwings together onto a jet bike and their capital homeship has a c'tan shard purely dedicated to powering the engines so it can go as fast as Tau FTL without ever touching the warp

vital barn
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Minotaurs also actually show up in a newish book and they're fun, they're such a bunch of salty children

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One of them is left alone with an Imperial Fist for about ten minutes and when the lady comes back they're having an incredibly ineffective power armoured fistfight and wrecking the office

brittle salmon
runic swallow
misty violet
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Minotaurs being the budget knock off custodes for the High Lords makes them a lot more fun than they otherwise would be

vital barn
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They also fight some Custodes and don't do too badly, they kill one and fuck up the rest

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Which the custodes think is cool but also I'm pretty sure they have more Minotaurs

runic swallow
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Which is important when you wanna have some guys to get up to Some Shit

vital barn
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It's highly important to have a private army that is not your official public army

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something about cryptography

charred bridge
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I like the necromunda's house Cawdor as real knockoff custodes, someone in the house somehow met a Custodes and fashioned the most jank spear after them yet did not even copy something like the gold themed everything

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They were like cool spear I'll copy that

runic swallow
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You wanna have the guys who are Your Guys but can officially on paper say are not explicitly Your Guys

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But can gesture menacingly with in a “oh it’d be a shame if something were to happen”

sour sequoia
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And their lore is so

runic swallow
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Aw it’s not that bad

misty violet
sour sequoia
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I think making the polynesian chapter greyblack and lighter greycream is a crime

runic swallow
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I mean, it’s sharks

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Sharks be lookin’ grey

charred bridge
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Are the carcharodons counter shaded

vital barn
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The minos are also geared to the nines because it costs any of the high lords about six pennies to hand out power claws and plasma guns to everyone

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It's funny how broke most space marines are

charred bridge
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Absolutely useless to have countershading on land like that but it's be very 40k for them to have it still

misty violet
runic swallow
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I’ll be real, I wouldn’t think “sharks” with the right

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Maybe cheetahs

charred bridge
vital barn
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Your average SM melee squads rock up with knives or chainswords and meanwhile Shit Forge World 42069 is arming 200k Skitarii infiltrators per year with power swords that they presumably make by doing a Hollywood sword casting scene and then manually soldering on two wires.

charred bridge
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I want to headcanon the carcharodons only think it's camouflage that's works cause they just murder everything so there's no witnesses

runic swallow
charred bridge
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And are like colorblind

misty violet
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It's for fighting on the planet whose atmosphere is entirely mustard gas, clearly

charred bridge
runic swallow
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No, that’d have too much wood paneling

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And red

charred bridge
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Or maybe it's like zebra camouflage and wards off mosquitos

misty violet
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Anti-tyranid dazzle camo, of course

runic swallow
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Like even the surplus market isn’t interested in UCP it’s kinda hilarious

charred bridge
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Camouflage to hide from sea bears, one of the lost chapters

runic swallow
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You still see the woodland camo and chocolate chip desert camo, but almost never UCP

misty violet
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But there's a tech priest on hand who has been waiting to put it back together again so it's okay

runic swallow
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Because that shit just sucks and no one is actually interested in wearing it who didn’t have to

charred bridge
vital barn
charred bridge
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Ryza was pretty advanced overall but I think it's funny 150 knights were just kept in reserve with I assume with full maintenance and tons of ad mech and house serfs that all universally kept quite about the 150 knights

vital barn
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Multi stacked sword sheath that looks like you strapped a knife block to the guy's side

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150 knights is not that many knights

misty violet
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Probably, yeah, they are also broke. More just I do feel like there's a certain amount of Space Marines deliberately going "low tech" relative to the other imperial specialists because they expect to have absolutely garbage supply lines

rocky shale
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Knights are muuuuuuch smaller than titans

charred bridge
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Look I know knights are hardwired with altruism to want to protect citizens but you just have to sit in this hangar for a very long time.

vital barn
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150 titans would be huge but 150 knights is like one smallish house

runic swallow
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Just got goofed up on the paperwork, everyone but the maintenance people forgot what was in HyperWarehouse 41-C

vital barn
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I guess as Ryzans they were the gucci knight patterns

charred bridge
misty violet
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How many knights is a lot of knights seems to vary between publications. I know I've seen five knights showing up being a big deal in some places and then others yeah they're like only a little rarer than baneblades

charred bridge
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A pattern that was superior to any known knight pattern

misty violet
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The latter is probably closer to the intention but it is funny

charred bridge
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And they just kept it hidden as a trump card in case it'd ever be needed

runic swallow
vital barn
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Knights are rare by guard standards but they're also pretty easily buildable by forge world standards so almost every decent sized forge world has a pet house or eight

charred bridge
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Also these knights went toe to toe with a massive chaos titan legion that destroyed over half if ryza's titans

runic swallow
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And also the usual 40k has no idea of scale thing

vital barn
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Knights are the arleigh burkes of imperial mecha

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Boring, probably outdated, the only thing everyone can reliably build because the last 500 procurement cycles failed miserably, work pretty good

runic swallow
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This reminds me, been meaning to find a biography on Burke, what I’ve read about him is interesting

vital barn
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I have this entirely unsupported headcanon that this means that they're used to do off the books Admech sphere of influence stuff

runic swallow
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I wouldn’t be shocked

vital barn
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where if the mech has interests in a region but can't just dump a bunch of skittles there because other imperials would be pissed they'll just spin up a bunch of knights and found a nearby House that's legally not admech

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Iron Hands but less grumpy

runic swallow
charred bridge
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Oh the story is more ridiculous than I thought. Ryza claimed to have no knight houses despite being a forge world that made titans en masses and the emp's personally told them to keep them secret
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/House_Sidus

vital barn
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Ryza is also comically stupid rich, four fifths of the planet was levelled during the heresy and they just built it back up again

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and preheresy it was almost up there in Mars' league

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They have infinite money and they spend it all on plasma guns and melee

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seriously they have cults that replace their blood plasma with glowy superheated plasma

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and then put the blood into plasma reactors as a sacrament

brittle salmon
vital barn
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which is a great 40k joke

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Yeah they're one of the groups that can still build non explody plasma en masse because of it

brittle salmon
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lmao

charred bridge
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They got blasted from orbit after destroying the heretic Knights and titans

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Ryza is like the necromunda of forge worlds. It's so glazed that mars was afraid of ryza's more advanced tech

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And believed Ryza was going to break away and Mars took every chance to slander them they could

vital barn
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Notably there is no red at all in their schemes, or there wasn't back then at least

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Lately they have been invaded by two simultaneous waaghs and spent several decades killing off hundreds of billions of orks

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right as they were done the great rift opened in their face and then they got invaded by a bunch of daemons

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it's not their century

charred bridge
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They did have a stupid powerful space station

vital barn
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I'm sure they'll be fine

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This is like the fiftieth time they've been in planetary death war mode I think it's Tuesday to them

charred bridge
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That literal moon sized station was not fine

vital barn
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I thought that was exploded back in the heresy

charred bridge
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News of its explosion was greatly exaggerated, it got infiltrated by heretics and taken over but then was exploded but a good amount survived but not the moon fortress it used to be

runic swallow
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Is Graia the one that kept getting stated to have been invaded and destroyed so they had to finally come up with a reason why that could happen?

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Like it’s not a planet but a orbital manufacturing platform that keeps moving?

charred bridge
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Graia the forge planet with the warp capable teleporting parasite planet eater ring

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It up there, it could surround a planet and do warp travel around a hostile planet

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And mine the planet dry, a planet sized mining rig that could just teleport, mine a planet almost completely, then disappear with all the cargo back to Graia kind of wild. Apparently it's not used for battles often as it's a secret that the ring can move and teleport

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Which I'm wondering how you'd hide that it just vanished overnight then came back eventually from an inquisitor or RT visiting

vital barn
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The bulk of the serious forge worlding stuff is in orbit, so every time they move they just extrude a bunch more cheap manufacturing onto the surface of their new planet and ransack it

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there have been a whole bunch of graias that have supposedly been invaded and the actual forge world just ups and leaves

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which I suppose wouldn't be the biggest irregularity in Imperial records anyway

charred bridge
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I want to believe it's the same planet and graia just moves the planet when things get bad

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Swap it with a look-alike planet

sour sequoia
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Simply make your diplomats word its travels in such a way every inquisitor and astartes captain goes “man just shut the fuck up”

brittle salmon
sour sequoia
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Boss the lobotomite is talking about grand astrographic pilgrimage to holy ferrous shrines again

vital barn
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It got attacked by Necrons or daemons or something on its last warp jump and it turns out 100% of their Skitarii and servitors are equipped to spacewalk on the outside of the web of orbital industry and shoot people

charred bridge
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Ad mech on Graia

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vital barn
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Pictured, graian kataphron

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sour sequoia
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Yeah they would the stupid fucks

charred bridge
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I love that idea, I want to believe it's the only orbital defense. Instead of cannons and satellites/ships just a bunch of dudes with really strong guns shooting down ships

vital barn
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They're one of my favourite forge worlds but all their rules have always just been "we're really brave and never retreat" which is so boring

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Give me the airmobile Skitarii with one use jump packs or something

sour sequoia
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You’d think they’d have something more fun for the plasma fetishists but honestly its about the same for the dark angels, noted plasma fetishists

charred bridge
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What's their wargame special rule

vital barn
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Don't have one this edition

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In 8e it was something really boring like 3d6 drop highest on morale or whatever

charred bridge
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Oh know little about wargame but if plasma guns exploding was a thing I'd imagine theirs don't

vital barn
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Oh no I was talking about Graia

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Ryza had reroll 1s in melee and a strat to make plasma do giga damage

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They're also the choppy forge world

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no words on whether they have combined these and made plasma claws yet

charred bridge
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If only

sour sequoia
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I think we should give ursarax the raven guard funny talons and see what happens

charred bridge
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Do some raven guard have like power talons on their feet

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Jump down on a guy from jetpack and stomp with talons

sour sequoia
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Kayvaan has the funny inceptor/suppressor shock absorber spurs for some reason?

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Literally only kayvaan and he’s the only jump pack phobos also

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It at least lets you do some very silly things with the vanguard & shadowmark detaches

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But otherwise nah

paper bluff
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Also something I've wondered with dark angels. If one of their modern members where to go to chaos/ renegade does he become a fallen, or is fallen specific to the group of dark angels that split in the heresy? Is it still on sight for the modern traitors?

charred bridge
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I never really thought about it but traitor Blood Angels probably feel different about the black rage.

jaunty dawn
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Its just like you think youve moved on from your daddy issues with your cool new friends and then you meet an ex son of horus talking about his new baby blood skull cup and you get mad at him even you love baby blood skull cups even more than him and he didnt do anything bad to you and then you feel upset about the hold that still exists

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All of that is happening internally of course externally you ripped his head off and are now frothing at the mouth and chained to the walls of the ship

paper bluff
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When he joins a world eaters warband

pine matrix
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As elated as someone could be in a berserker rage at any rate

spice flicker
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How are we feeling about crucible of champions characters and crusade?

pine matrix
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Seems like the perfect place to use them!

desert jay
pine matrix
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Honestly I'd love a sequel where that happens

spice flicker
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The nails twisted black rage instead causes him to yell out Sanguinius instead of Horus.

pine matrix
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Oh that's be sick

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Believing he's Angron flying around?

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I've kinda fleshed out the Black Rage treatment for my OC warband, just thinking about what would be so bad (other than doing chaos magic) that a potential cure for the Black Rage would be rejected by Baal, and I've come to it basically needing a non-implanted gene-seed to perform and basically ruins the gene-seed of the marine it's performed on

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It also doesn't completely cure it, just represses the hallucinations and delusions and leaves the marine still prone to berserker rage, depending on how long they've been untreated for

paper bluff
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I mean, angron has been called the red angel.
So him replacing sanguineus envisions would make sense for a korne aligned war band of blood angel lineage

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Will it be more tragic if they also saw angron as he used to be before the nails

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Going back though Korn wanted the blood angels. Not only for their rage but because of their sophistication/ honor from their turn around being the revenant legion

spice flicker
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Looked into the crucible of champions stuff a bit more and yeah the fact that for 90 points you can get a terminator sorcerer in death guard that can resurrect deathshroud terminators while armed with a reaper autocannon, man reaper, and 2 plaguespurt gauntlets on top of giving models in the unit sustained hits 1 against afflicted targets seems a bit shenanigans inducing.

rocky shale
pine matrix
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Yep, you get them to lead a termie squad and get the resurrection along with two other abilities, you only miss out on the sustained hits 1 on the afflicted (can get the same effect on melee attacks with one for the abilities)

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Now that might be a choice in a crusade that'd make me say "come on, man"

spice flicker
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Ah yes the resurrection ability, the +1" movement as well as reroll advance/charge, and the melee weapons of the unit gets sustained hits 1 as well as lance all for 140 points. Not to mention triple reaper autocannons anr triple manreapers for no additional points.

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For 30 extra points you can also give each member of the trio plaguespurt gauntlets meaning 6d6 anti-infantry 4+ flamer attacks as well.

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Definitely feels like one heck of a brick to have to deal with.

pine matrix
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Genuinely not sure what they were thinking with that one

spice flicker
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Its a silly combo for 330 or 490 points if you go for msu or max sized deathshrouds respectively.

rocky shale
spice flicker
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Truly the death guard are disgusting.

pine matrix
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Thought you could only have one crucible guy per army?

spice flicker
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Nope its 3 crucible units per army last I checked.

pine matrix
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:0 woaw

past sphinx
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im going to take a run at running an Only war campaign, anybody have any advice?

spice flicker
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Baneblade regiment seems like it could be simultaneously fun and boring if you have the party be the crew of the baneblade.

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Last time I considered doing an Only War campaign I was going to have tje premise be that the players' regiment was caught in a warp anomaly and sent back in time to well before the imperium. Their ship crash landing on "ancient" terra during the events of the Command and Conquer Red Alert 2 Mental Omega mod. Use the missions as a basis of the campaign and let the players choose if they ally with the Allies or Soviets and the massive battles of that mod.

main pagoda
past sphinx
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going to steer them away from heavy armor tho

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seems like something that sounds fun but breaks down into a slog

main pagoda
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my advice is plan the campaign after regiment creation

past sphinx
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i WILL be pressing the antiaircraft regiment into naval boarding actions

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technically blowing up a naval bombardment vessel in orbit is anti an aircraft

main pagoda
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OW is one of the few systems where narrative combat works quite well

upper canopy
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I would recommend squeezing as much power efficiency out of regiment creation as possible

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Because Only War is an easy system to be useless in

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In a very not fun way

rocky shale
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IIRC shotguns get pretty absurd

upper canopy
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They are

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Starting out theyre basically the best "melee" weapon

spice flicker
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Flamers are just broken in a silly way iirc.

rocky shale
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I started playing ttrpgs with only war (terrible choice) and one of the best regiments we had was just like standard issue shotguns and a dream

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And yeah flamers can end an encounter very quickly

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They just run through ammo fast

upper canopy
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You can also go wild with regiments

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So if thats the goal feel free

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A highlight of regiments Ive made:

  1. Rough riders riding giant flying regenerating feathered serpents
  2. Knights with jump packs and full plate who have 1 portable shrine and 1 crank powered gatling gun per squad
  3. Spec Ops urban specialists who use grapnels to never touch the street
  4. Cowboys
charred bridge
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Guard regiment who's floors are actually lava seems very fitting for 40k

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On my deathworld if you make a mistake grappling you just die in the ultra death lava that can instakill an avatar of khaine being near it or something

upper canopy
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They were just really canny hive worlders

charred bridge
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Hive worlders with extreme germs phobia after spending generations reclaiming the planet from a nurgle plague and if they have to go into the under hive then they grapple so they never have to touch the dirty floors/walls/ceilings

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There's an auto sanitizer servitor skull that sprays very carcinogenjc disinfectant on the grapple ends every minute

upper canopy
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We also had a demolition armored infantry regiment

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And a Tau auxillery regiment

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I never played a tank regiment

quaint compass
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Obibital Charge always works

spice flicker
#

Foetid bloat drones with heavy blight Launchers worth taking?

quaint compass
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So my Soulbound noble just bit the dust

rocky shale
quaint compass
# quaint compass So my Soulbound noble just bit the dust

Bastonne Ken-Hartwal, last and only son of the Ken-Hartwals
He will be remembered fondly by his lord-father and lord-mother, and his heir-sisters: Joanna, Fortitude, Resilience, Malyssa, and Bulwarnica (In descending order of inheritance)

He was a twit, fop, vain, ruthless, spiteful, murderous, and always ready to fight anyone for any reason. He embodied his house fully and relentlessly.

upper canopy
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What ripped him in half

quaint compass
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Rat Ogre

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Overtuned bastards with their big numbers and supporting spellcasters

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(I also lost my armor to a carnosaur in a previous adventure so I took way more damage than I should have during this one)

paper bluff
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It's funny in siege of vraks there's a princeps that's so socially awkward. They can't talk to krieg general, a commisar and the commissar remarks that the TECHPRIEST FOR THE TITAN IS BETTER AT SOCIALIZING

quaint compass
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the dilettante in question

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charred bridge
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I get Krieg commissars

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Their role is basically, ok please dont get super nihlist and demotivated by my fellow krieg we'll live through this other regiments (lie)

charred bridge
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Depending on how connected they are to their titan if you consider the flesh to metal ratio of a titan including all of it's crew the princeps is basically entirely machine most of the time except for the sad moments they got to use their flesh bodies.

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Older princeps that are basically some meat surrounding a nervous system in life support system probably have forgotten what its like to not be a giant godly death engine

main pagoda
#

older they get the more time they are kept asleep

pastel rampart
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Griffon mortar launcher my beloved.

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jaunty dawn
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Carrying a mortar

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Just need some guys to be operating it nowww

pastel rampart
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Gonna have my friend print out those guys for me on account of him having a resin printer.

runic swallow
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I do love how many goofy Rhino or Chimera variants are just things people really did with M113s

pastel rampart
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Yeah it's great.

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I did have to kitbash some files to get an appropriate hull to my liking but as a bonus I can now use it for a basilisk.

junior robin
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and the salamander scout/command thinkaboutit

pastel rampart
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True!

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Might even make a Medusa siege tank.

hardy harness
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Is it possible for Gue'vesa to attain any roles higher than just "elite soldier"?

upper canopy
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Probably not but never really discussed

thin ibex
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I think 'Vre might be their highest achievable rank? Others have mentioned seeing higher but I have no memory of it in the novels I've read so far

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They can have a variable amount of informal trust placed in them, but as far as actual rank, I don't think they can go higher

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I do think they can still hold their human titles, so you can have a commander or captain in the guevesa auxiliary or militia, but they dont actually hold rank higher than their Tau officers.

misty violet
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Presumably on majority human worlds within the Tau sphere there are going to have to be human administrators with authority, simply by virtue of the realities of colonial management

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And that would probably include at least some officers in their local military forces

upper canopy
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Humans can be bodyguards for Ethereals so at least they cam in theory serve traditionally tau roles

mental birch
quaint compass
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Assumedly, if they can exhibit the acumen and complete whatever tests the tau military requires of their personnel, non-tau could be in any non-ethereal role which befits them.

thin ibex
thin ibex
upper canopy
thin ibex
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Tau isn't so meritocratic as to enable free mobility in their military and social hierarchies for every client race in the Empire

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This is true, but my main point is that it did not impart rank in the fire caste to that bodyguard

upper canopy
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Well yeah, but thats still a hugely sacred task that is typically reserved for elite veteran fire warriors

thin ibex
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For sure, but I see that as again one of those things where, at least right now in Tau society, they can hold equivalent positions without the rank or equivalence to a Tau in he same position. That guy being the bodyguard was kind of avant garde/ notable/ controversial to the fire caste in that story, rather than just an accepted norm or a regular pathway for guevesa

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Its one of those things where generally speaking, Tau don't really incorporate auxiliary rank mobility into the rank structure of the empire in a military context, humans aren't exceptions to this. I suspect this is more loosely true in a social context, but has more wiggle room

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At least so far, I don't believe we've ever had a 'O Kroot, Vespid, Nicasaur, etc leading a Cadre or Battle or Command

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As the empire expands, I could see Auxiliaries and even humans specifically gaining more prominence though, so who knows

vital barn
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oh shit I didn't realise they were out already. Still not sure how much I like the pauldrons being that high up, but the rest of them looks great, how's the kit to build?