Warhammer and Such

[junior robin]

rogal dorn fate is a bit funny, because it just took place during a black crusade, no info on which one.

[upper canopy]

I love "the vanity of Alphparius"

the guy who no one knows looks like

[hardy harness]

How unlikely is it for a Grey Knight to go renegade

Not fall to Chaos, I'm fairly certain that's nigh impossible, just go his own way separate of the broader Imperium

[pastel rampart]

About as likely to fall to chaos, honestly.

[jaunty dawn]

Or just leave the chapter at all really

[hardy harness]

Makes sense

[upper canopy]

It hasn't happened yet, as far as we know

[pastel rampart]

I think you're more likely to see them take a stint in Deathwatch than go renegade, and we haven't seen that either.

GK are basically the most Ride or Die for the imperium as any SM chapter can get.

(which is to say, probably the most brainwashed)

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah they explicitly get super brainwashed I think

Like as part of their everything better than a normie marine package

[pastel rampart]

Yeah.

[hardy harness]

Also makes sense

[pastel rampart]

They find the most psychically gifted humans off a Black Ship and then like 1% of those people become grey knights.

[hardy harness]

...though I did read that they're apparently marginally more cogenial to working with xenos than other marines, by virtue of "I'm here to kill demons, not xenos, if you can help me with that we'll call it even"

[tall depot]

https://youtu.be/RmDEf1MeWvw?si=yBXyL9426bWp6I3F

[rocky shale]

GK kinda have one job and that job involves them basically not interacting with anything that isn't that job.

[broken dew]

https://youtu.be/4mmc10R8puQ?si=ptqlT01bQXwVqBAb

Woe, Titus be upon ye

lmao

great thumbnail

[thin ibex]

This is the other reason I feel like gk are weird as their own armies

Just fighting whatever

Kind of a shame that sm2 hinted necrons but never delivered, and Titus next war is against necrons

[desert jay]

I suspect SM2 was gonna have a necron finale but they didn't have dev time/resources to do a whole new set of enemies

[tired cairn]

"wait, they already did this in Dawn of War"

[raven meteor]

And Rogue Trader,
Last Act Necrons seems common

[wide veldt]

They make a really good finale

[tired cairn]

I know it's because the universe is big and the timeline isn't advancing that much. But it is funny how people keep getting surprised by the existence of Necrons as an outside observer

[wide veldt]

Speaking of rogue trader I don’t feel like becoming that thread but

*necroing

||god im thinking about that bit at the end where you face off against the other versions of the rogue trader and it’s so cool||

[paper bluff]

That's when they turn to you and start saying horus

[paper bluff]

I really do need to finish that game

[tired cairn]

I don't think other games have shown the reality warping nature of Necrons to nearly that extent

Well ||C'tan specifically||

[wide veldt]

Yeah that one was good about it

Containment was failing on it and reality was crumbling

[sour sequoia]

Late to this one but there’s one RG successor that’s entirely redacted and the Inquisition is unable to find a homeworld for, with a high rate of enrolling in deathwatch and psykers and silver armor

Literally just “Knights of the Raven”

May actually be grey knights playing hookie under 5 aliases

But yeah nothin official about grey knights defecting or renegade or falling to chaos or anything

[charred bridge]

Agreed although I wish we ||fought like an encounter with nids that aren't genestealers or orks||

[wide veldt]

Oh my god

Imagine an imperial world who hasn’t gotten an update on global news or dogma since before the heresy

Naming their kids Horus and lupercal

[raven meteor]

Alas, can only make so many models I imagine 😔
Or, rather, each Made Model needs to have enough of a presence in the game to justify it and they didn't want to make a Nid or Ork Dedicated Section
Maybe the dark heresy one......

[spice flicker]

For repulsors should I go with bolters+gatling, lascannon+las talon, or lascannon+gatling?

[pine matrix]

Finishing up my reaver squad, less blood angel bits for them, saving them for the Reaver-Captain and to sprinkle among the Legionnares

[mental birch]

Dont forget the heavy intercessors

[sour sequoia]

I will absolutely forget the most nothing battleline

[mental birch]

Jjahaajha

Thsy bas?

[spice flicker]

Ill admit the heavy intercessors are my favorite space marine battleline option.

[thin ibex]

i dont hate em, they're not super competetive, but in the casual scene they can be quite stubborn on a backline objective

[jaunty dawn]

Theyre cool got beeg boltgun bang bang

[thin ibex]

they play nice in anvil too

[jaunty dawn]

Gravis heavy bolter fucks too

[thin ibex]

they feel like a devastator squad to me lol

but actually tough

[jaunty dawn]

Mm

They are like

Havocs 2

[thin ibex]

Big budda-budda-budda energy

I kinda like the entire Gravis range

[jaunty dawn]

Mm

I even like suppressors

And their weird shit

[thin ibex]

Man suppressors are cool for being such a rare model

Sm have like...
3 units that have autocannons

That i can think of anyway rn

Suppressors, predator destructor, and the astraeus

[jaunty dawn]

Dreads used to be able to take them

But I think only existed in model form from forge world

[floral herald]

It used to be a weird dark angels only thing

[jaunty dawn]

Oh, the invictor has them

Righttt

[floral herald]

Albeit that was a long time ago and it’s been retconned to just be one they used a lot

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah

[thin ibex]

Oh yeah 4 models, invictor too

[pale narwhal]

The weird firestrike turrets also have autocannons

[jaunty dawn]

So they do

[thin ibex]

My god 5 models

I actually like the firestrike with AC

It's rules bad, but I like it

The firestrike is just a weird unit as is

Does it still have a 3" move?

[jaunty dawn]

I think something more artillery-y like the thunderfire cannon its riffing off wouldve been cool

[pale narwhal]

Yeah

[jaunty dawn]

Omg this so dumb

Just the fractal barrels

Like a minigun made of miniguns

[thin ibex]

Minininigun

[wide veldt]

Man

[tepid stratus]

Contempors can take ACs but I'm pretty sure they're legends for marines and are custodes only

[wide veldt]

I hope they manage to find a way to kinda make the billion space marine squads a little more distinct

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah theres several heresy/forge world stuffs

[thin ibex]

Aren't those assault canons and not auto canons?

[jaunty dawn]

Theres both

Uh the non relic contemptor that did exist for a bit could only take assault cannon or lascannons tho

Or was it multimelta not lascannons

Idk the one from the horus heresy boxed games

Betrayal at calth I think

[wide veldt]

Do yall think they’re ever gonna add crucible of champions to waha?

[jaunty dawn]

Probablyyy

But it wouldnt be too surprising if he didnt either

[main pagoda]

rapiers are so fucking cool

[wide veldt]

Yeah?

[jaunty dawn]

Sometimes just not everything gets adapted basically

[main pagoda]

is it made by GW?

[jaunty dawn]

I think theres probably plenty demand for it though

[upper bluff]

yeah but its also an end of edition optional rule so

I think it'll get added just because its cool but understandable if not

[main pagoda]

i mean he has a good track record for it, it just might take some time

[pale narwhal]

depends how big demand is for it compared to how fast end of edition rolls around

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah that’s the main thing i think

[rocky shale]

It's fairly easy to find pictures of the pages online

Basically every big faction discord I'm in has them pinned

[wide veldt]

No yeah I mean for sure

I just wanna put them in my list

[hardy harness]

The real reason Big E hasn't been seen in millenia

[wide veldt]

https://www.newrecruit.eu/app/list/S4jLm

made a very battlesuit heavy tau list

[upper canopy]

question

how are the Ravener Killteam

[jaunty dawn]

9th apparently

51% wr

With a large sample size

[floral herald]

They are very weird

You get 5 snakes and they’re all demons in melee

You have 1.5 real guns

You spend half your time off the map in tunnelspace

You have the stupidest land mine in the universe

[quaint compass]

You just described MGS

[floral herald]

Playing them is hard because they have the same strategy they want to execute but how you do it varies a lot

They’re fun but they’re probably one of the strangest teams

[pastel rampart]

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/40mm-to-50mm-conversion-trays-for-tow Forgot I made these a while back. Figured some people might want'em for TOW.

[upper canopy]

A friend is running a small KT game series that might combo with battlefleet Gothic

And I am thinking of either Primaris, Kroot, or Raveners

[floral herald]

All of those are fun

Raveners are the least “traditional” of the three

[upper canopy]

Though its meant to be narrative with named guys

So my friend was like "you cant play BUGS"

[floral herald]

Maybe another team would be better haha

Though iirc lore wise Hyperadapted Ravs are pretty smart and independent

[upper canopy]

Yeah but I cant be stopped

From doing what I want

And I have never played tyranids in any meaningful capacity

[pastel rampart]

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/50x75-to-60x100-conversion-tray-for-tow And also a more specific conversion (plastic giant bases from way back when)

[spice flicker]

Which army does a warhound titan actually mesh well with?

[jaunty dawn]

Secutarii

If youre playing legends

[rocky shale]

It doesn't really mesh well with anything. Nothing gives it rules and it's more than half your army in points in a normal game.

[upper canopy]

A cool one

[thin ibex]

I feel like the warhound is super undergunned

But that's kind of an "of course it is" comment

But it should absolutely have more secondary weapons

[tired cairn]

Are you the Primaris vehicle design team?

[thin ibex]

its just like its a massive titan with 2 guns and no point defenses

imo it should at least have chin mounted like twin linked multi laser or stubberso r assault cannons

[tired cairn]

It should probably have some anti-infantry stuff on various places, yeah

(I think big things like titans and possibly even knights should have subcomponents you could shoot at that degrade performance before outright killing the thing)

[vital barn]

We know that Reavers and up have "ardex" guns, which are autonomous heavy weapons stuck all over the things

[thin ibex]

that would be neat, though doesn't fit into the current way the game works

[vital barn]

they get stats in HH, although they still don't have enough of the things

and in HH a Titan is in fact an entire army with submodules that you break individually

"engine kill" is a whole mission type

[thin ibex]

reason i think multilasers or some kind of laser gun is just less need to think about ammo logistics and how they get there

Oh no way? That's actually super cool i didn't know that

[vital barn]

Warhounds are simultaneously under- and over-gunned because those arm turbolasers are just monsters

they will eat entire tank companies but have nothing for a squad of marines right under their noses

[thin ibex]

obv run 1 turbo and 1 megabolter

twin plasma seems neat

[vital barn]

although they are very fast so they're only "scouts" in that they march up to the nearest high ground, turn the entire enemy convoy into shrapnel and then report back that there was a regiment there and the location of the enemy titans is yet unknown

recon by fire on a gigantic scale

[thin ibex]

scouts because they dont sit above most buildings xD

[vital barn]

in Titanicus they hunt in packs

you can overlap voids to get a stupidly durable warhound duo/trio and when they're depleted they scatter and go to ground

which lets them pop out in ambush locations and then last long enough in CQC with a line titan to bring it down

the default counter as a Reaver or Warlord captain is to melee the bastards since the voids don't protect from melee attacks

and a melee arm on a Reaver can just pick up a warhound by the neck and scrongle it

[thin ibex]

voids follow dune shield rules?

slow stuff gets through i mena

not the laser makes nuke thing

[vital barn]

Titan voids are kind of extreme compared to the ligher ones you see defending infantry units, but yes

the more dramatic you make that threshold the stronger the shield is

if a jump pack squad dives into a titan void rapidly they'll trip the threshold and it'll just shunt them all into the warp

they have to brake as they drop towards it, which can be dangerous because it exposes you to the gunners and the defending troops

[thin ibex]

huh i wonder if veteran jump marines know the tricks of the trade to slow down and then mount the titan directly

[vital barn]

they do

[thin ibex]

like sanguinary guard types and vanguard vets n such

[vital barn]

Sanguinius once does it full speed but only because his precog bullshit told him the friendly titans would bring down the shield right before he hit it

[thin ibex]

regular assault guys prolly drill it but lose folks cause they're just a little too fast

[vital barn]

his Sanguinary Guard squad are explicitly going "if you say so boss" but are clearly worried that dad is about to faceplant into a void shield and die

[pulsar cairn]

speaking of sanguinary guard...do they exist in any of the blood angels successor chapters?

[thin ibex]

"My sons, run face first into this wall'

actually i have no idea... I presume they do

[vital barn]

Titanicus is easily my favourite GW ruleset actually, it's very clean and very evocative

[thin ibex]

they protect like sanguinary priests n stuff and leadership no?

[vital barn]

reavers forever

[thin ibex]

and successors still like... are deep in the cult of The Blood

carrying around sloshy chalices of blood at all times

[dense sedge]

Ash wastes nomads painting didnt go great. Put the contrast paint on too thick

[pulsar cairn]

yeah always thought their successors looked very similar to the original chapter thats why i asked

[pulsar cairn]

i love that!

like yeah its a bit thick and i dont know a thing about painting

but i heard of these ash nomads, and i just think the idea of someone actually surviving in the weird wastelands outside necromunda very coool

[wide veldt]

So according to poorhammer the newest data slate is probably the last one for this edition

[desert jay]

That is the expectation

[wide veldt]

mhmhm

[sour sequoia]

Wait is that seriously the void shields that every annoying powerscaler talk has been about for the last ten years of my life

“Buh wuh wuh wuh the void shieldddddssss”

[vital barn]

Voids take as many hits as the plot needs them to take

[sour sequoia]

I need to go smack some nerds

Dam bro ur titan loses to one anime swordsman

[vital barn]

sometimes they evaporate when you tap them and sometimes you put up a big one and suddenly it survives the planet being exterminatused

[sour sequoia]

Behold, the atalan jackal

The perfect weapon of war

[vital barn]

anime swordsmen are admittedly immune to any level of firepower as long as it's delivered by guns, we know this

that incident provided us with myrmidons going man for man with Sanguinary Guard while stripped of all their ranged weapons, which made all the blood angels guys really mad even though Sangy basically soloed an Imperator

[thin ibex]

the omnissiah creatred titans to be jobbers

they concentrate that fate into them so that regular folk might survive. Problem is the jobber-ness spread to the rest of the mechanicum

I think Khaine accidentally became a jobber because the Aeldari kept concentrating too much fate into them

[wide veldt]

Oh man a fucking motorcycle ramping off something and passing through the void shield at the apex of its jump

[mental birch]

It it was i'm cackling

[wide veldt]

Yeah?

[mental birch]

Twin lance being 160

Is wild nonsense

[thin ibex]

Tau can have some wild nonsense sometimes

[sour sequoia]

Twin Lance probably ain’t even the issue when tau stand to still get bodied by ctan lmao

One phase armies have to stare down the two stage coinflips between ctan and the totally unnerfed triple landraider and dudespam custodes

I kinda foresee tourneys banning pantheon of woe the same way they banned mor dakka if thats truly all she wrote

[main pagoda]

a version of them exist in all of them barring maybe the flesh tearers

[wide veldt]

man i really fucking hope

that tau all get the twins thing

or at least battlesuits

[rocky shale]

They nerfed draxus! Dudespam is dead /s

[wide veldt]

of just shooting their guns in melee

[rocky shale]

11th is almost certainly going to be revealed at adept adepticon in 3 weeks

[wide veldt]

mhmhm

any info do you think or well just get "its coming"

[rocky shale]

Probably a trailer

Then like July release date

Everyone knows it's coming

Then like slow rolled hype teasers until release

And if their normal track record has anything to do with it, massive spoilers leaked 1 month before release

[pale narwhal]

there's already rumors leaked about the contents of the launch box

[sour sequoia]

We’ve seen rumors of a blood angels vs orks armageddon box, but I’ll be real. That art looked like slop

More consequentially at least there’s been some skullcrusher boxes printed with World Eaters as the army instead of chaos daemons??

Thats really about it

[wide veldt]

man is cult of the final day actually a good soup army

the wounds regen stuff seems like it could rule

[sour sequoia]

Yes and no

The wound regen is fuckin useless

[desert jay]

Spoiler leaks, or a viral marketing opportunity?

[sour sequoia]

Everything else, literally every other last ounce of it, is absolutely cranked

[wide veldt]

oo?

also deathleaper yaaay

[mental birch]

look GW 'leaks' do not have the potato cam energy

[wide veldt]

whats the combo with the neophyte hybrid again?

[sour sequoia]

Benefictus w/ Inhuman Integration and a 20-brick, double laser double seismic double webber double grenade launcher and ditching whatever stupid sarge options you have for a 12th lethal-sustain shotgun

The neophyte burger order

[wide veldt]

jesus christ

[sour sequoia]

Its a positioning game, you can put special and heavy weapons up front or over a wall to fire, keep benny near the icon at the other end of the block to deny tagging. Everybody else can respawn

[thin ibex]

how do the gsc feel about indirect fire shenanigans?

[wide veldt]

I don’t think they even have direct fire

[desert jay]

There are two indirect weapons in all of GSC, one is a mortar option on ridgerunners

The other is Reductus Saboteur going "yeah I set C4 there an hour ago"

[thin ibex]

Oh I meant used against them

Since like Eldar they have boat loads of t3 bodies

[sour sequoia]

It technically hurts, but chip damage doesn’t really worry GSC since all our shitmen squads reanimate in command phase before battleshocks and scoring occurs, and frankly no indirect weapon left in the game besides basilisks risks damaging the others

And at worst, you lose 70pt squads that respawn for 2pts, versus eldar taking 1 damage and losing 35pt models

[sour sequoia]

The beautiful thing is I run triple reductus and two mortar ridgerunners in Outlander Claw and elf players will actually cry at the table

[rocky shale]

;-;

[mental birch]

I'm so happy to run twin lance into outlander

Makes me so much happier

Hahaahha

[jaunty dawn]

Longbois

Omg wait I just realised that modern skitarii are like

Pugs

10,000 years of tech priests making new initiates shorter cause they think its cute

[pulsar cairn]

except for that one who's got stilts he`s cute in a different way

or is that one 30k?

[mental birch]

Stilts is 40k

Stils 1 charschter

[mental birch]

Archeon of fleah

[thin ibex]

imagine if you could take a squad of the stilt guys lol

[jaunty dawn]

They probably would be 1-3 in the past tbh

[hardy harness]

How fanatical are the Grey Knights

Like on a scale of "Barely care about the Imperium's dogma" to "Black Templars"

[jaunty dawn]

Quite into the emperor I think

Cause he basically founded them semi personally

[thin ibex]

theyre not crusader zealots like the bt i dont think

[jaunty dawn]

But also I guess quite into the emperor through their own traditions and maybe closer to the actual guy

While black templars are very influenced by the ecclesiarchy

Different flavours of bad dude obv

[thin ibex]

i think they're very dogmatic, but they're not very dogmatic to the faith built by the ecclesiarchy

they skipped the entirety of the imperial faith's rise to power by being on a moon that was phased out of time for that period

and they don't strongly interface with other imperial pillars of power beyong the inquisition and likely the high lords

[jaunty dawn]

Ye ye

[bright dove]

Even by Chapter standards, they put in a lot of work to stand apart.

Also spent a lot of time hiding their existence from all but basically the Need To Know people of the Imperium.

[thin ibex]

they're dogmatic like an isolated monastery out in the middle of nowhere can be rather than mainline orthodoxy

[bright dove]

They are there to kill Daemons. Their dogma is largely aimed to assist in that.

[hardy harness]

Right

That does make me wonder, of the chapters, which is the least shit

[thin ibex]

"Yes priest, I too am inured to the secrets of the Emperor, my faith is strong for I have read his book. The one titled '101 Ways to Kill a Daemon' and its sequel, 'Man I Hate Daemons'"

[hardy harness]

I mean they're all monsters in service to a bloating, rotted carcass of an imperialist and fascist nightmare hellscape, but I mean relatively the least shit

[thin ibex]

least shit is gonna be kind of subjective

They're ultra fascist super soldiers hell bent on carrying out the will of a bureaucratic system headed by a corpse

[pine matrix]

I guess the Emperor's ability to fuck with daemons was entirely separate from his atheism

[thin ibex]

ultramarines generaly give the highest population of citizens a more comfortable and purposeful life than pretty much anywhere else in the imperium; so by that vector, ultramarines may be the least shit

salamanders care about human lives specifically, on a personal level. That might qualify them for being less shit

[bright dove]

The Marines Malevolent, because they remove you from being in the galaxy the fastest. 😛

[desert jay]

I mean not necessarily, they might keep you alive for a bit as bait or something

[pine matrix]

Also, I've been mulling over some My Dudes backstory for my Blood Angel themed Reavers, was thinking they're led by a Sanguinary Priest who was like "I've figured out how to treat the Black Rage, we don't need to send my brothers to the Death Company" but the chapter was like "uh...no you can't and if you can, that's fucking heresy" so he took some of his buddies and ran off to the Malestrom

[thin ibex]

theres apparently a chapter called the mentors which mostly train other forces

lamenters might be considered somewhere on the less shit scale as the self sacrificing types

[jaunty dawn]

That just makes them like

Cia military contractor types

Kinda shitbags

Sorry to say

[pine matrix]

Now he's the leader of a warband going "oh when I come back with my cure for the Black Rage you're all going to look so stupid"

[jaunty dawn]

That sounds great

[thin ibex]

oh sorry i wasnt putting forward the mentors as a less shit option ,was just surprised to see they are a thing

[jaunty dawn]

Little splinter cult

[thin ibex]

they're absolutely cia contractor shitbag types

[pine matrix]

Thanks!

It's partially an excuse to have some of their pauldrons be in the Death Company colour scheme and also do some kit bashing with a Sang Priest model

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah that would be fun

[desert jay]

I feel like running military training programs, despite being a thing the CIA did, doesn’t automatically make you a CIA shitbag type

[pine matrix]

Think I'm gonna call them the Black Chalice, shame the Primaris model doesn't seem to have a arm carrying the big cup

[jaunty dawn]

I think doing it for space marines as a space marine probably does though

But yeah fair

[thin ibex]

yeah its less auto and more like space marines are ultrafacists and bad dudes, so in all likely hood, when to do military contractor stuff, they carry on being bad dudes

[jaunty dawn]

I do kinda like the take that space marines occasionally are relatively good because they take the knight shit seriously instead of as millenia old propaganda

Which is a little bit what oath of moment explores

[desert jay]

And then they get to face “You fight to save an institution that is not worth saving” Chaos guy of the week

[thin ibex]

ngl im a fan of tha trope for chaos renegades

that are not like full on spiky bits, wears flesh as cloaks for chaos

[pine matrix]

Same here, gives a bit of variety to the "turbo evil cause lost in the chaos sauce"

[jaunty dawn]

Renegades trying to talk about their economic anxieties while steve chaos in the corner is drinking blood out of a baby’s skull and saying hell yeah brother

[floral herald]

Lion: Son of the Forest

[pine matrix]

I really liked Lords of Silence cause the Death Guard in that are just like "well there is one god, Nurgle, and he likes it when we spread plague and corruption, and why would you disobey a god?"

[floral herald]

(One of the POV characters is a more normal chaos lord sentenced to the worst office politics in the universe)

[pine matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/incredibles-you-are-are-not-with-me-point-gif-19162384

[bright dove]

Maybe if the Nightlords spent less time drinking blood out of baby skulls they could have some supply lines.

[pine matrix]

Reformist heretic be like "defund the space marines"

[pine matrix]

The supplies are in line with my raiding vessel's broadside

[jaunty dawn]

They have great supply lines

For baby skulls that is

[pine matrix]

"And where would we put more ammunition? In the flensing hall? Be serious"

[desert jay]

I thought the Night Lords preferred locally sourced baby skulls when they invade somewhere

[rocky shale]

The most "normal" a space marine gets is like esoteric knight monks with inscrutable politics

[jaunty dawn]

Marauding was a perfectly acceptable supply method for centuries 😌

[desert jay]

It’s a supply method but it’s not a supply line!

[jaunty dawn]

Hehe true

[charred bridge]

I am not a slave to chaos - said while seething in chaos

[charred bridge]

Have you've considered shoving a greater daemon into the supply line to make it better? I got the idea from Peter turbo

[desert jay]

Greater daemons are too powerful for the cargo haulers, we mostly use daemonettes

[pine matrix]

Look the whispered voices in my dreams have promised that subsides for small businesses will finally solve the mass famine in this hive! Every time I close my eyes I see spreadsheets

[desert jay]

We tried nurglings but the emissions standards went through the floor

[charred bridge]

Daemon seller, I need your strongest daemons

[pine matrix]

Leading the underhive into blood soaked rebellion united behind non-partisan good sense politics

[charred bridge]

Favorite past time for the underhive, is this good sense politics group a chaos or genestealers cult

[pastel rampart]

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheAstraMilitarum/comments/yw0bk5/scout_sentinel_i_mentioned_i_would_post_this/ Man, news to me but the new sentinel is a fair bit bigger than the old one.

Glad I printed one at 120% because the files looked kinda small.

[little bay]

real nice sentinel

[pastel rampart]

I dunno if I'll print out an armored one.

[little bay]

i like the armored ones

they just have something about them

[jaunty dawn]

I wanna rejig an elysian one

Its pretty cool 🥺

[pastel rampart]

https://www.whtreasury.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Bestandsnaam46-7-scaled.jpg

I almost got my hand on 3 of the steel legion ones.

[little bay]

looking snazzy

[junior robin]

quite sure the aquilla is not in the right place on that one 🤔

[pastel rampart]

That's actually where the assembly instructions on the back of the box tells people to place it.

https://www.whtreasury.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/999999999991-4586-scaled.jpg

Actually, hm, no yeah it goes on the front. Memory was fuzzy there.

But I bet it didn't fit properly because pewter is just like that sometimes.

[junior robin]

woah, I have never seen that skull paintjob before.

[pastel rampart]

Right? It whips ass.

[jaunty dawn]

Breaking News: Ork in the Wild https://share.google/Ee1XILKhcqiMyjakW

With more ork on the way?

[pine matrix]

Looks fucking good

[jaunty dawn]

Alt bayonets n shit

Or I guess that a combi rokkit

And the other a kombi skorcha

His grot is cute

[pulsar cairn]

got someone asking for 40k book recommendations, they said they wanna avoid trilogies and such for now(if its something like ciaphas cain where you can just read any of the books and be done with it thats also a welcome suggestion)

[main pagoda]

so they want just standalone novels?

[pulsar cairn]

yeah!

i`ll use that word in the future

[main pagoda]

any factions they are particularly interested in ?

[pulsar cairn]

they didnt mention it, let me go ask

they said: Sisters of battle and Blood Angels (they also would like to learn more about Sanguinius)

[main pagoda]

well the obvious is devestation of baal for BA

[pulsar cairn]

neat

[jaunty dawn]

I like the Celestine book

[pulsar cairn]

oh yeah! I forgot about her

[main pagoda]

and for Sanguinius well you got alot of HH and SoT books

fear to tread being probably the better stand alones even though it is part of the HH series

[pulsar cairn]

Thanks Fetus Thanks Penny imma pass your suggestions up to them

also for some reason blood angels make me think of sour candy...

[little bay]

yay

[paper bluff]

The infinite and the divine. If it hasn't been already recommended

Twice dead king

What does this friend like theme wise?

[deft crest]

Voidscarred

Any ork book by mike brooks

[pulsar cairn]

im not really sure about their preference they just wanna get into 40k

i dont know this person all that well i just felt like helping them out so they have a fun entry point into 40k

will send them those as well

[dense sedge]

when is the new edition likely to start?

[sour sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/almost-there-summer-gif-14261023358449299562

Expect late may or mid June

[jaunty dawn]

Weird to think about how I was here (and a lot of people) discussing this last time around 😮

Three years

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/KJAvA/d86bd25462.jpg

Spent far too much time making a multilaser.

[jaunty dawn]

Multilaser-y

[pastel rampart]

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/gadget/armoured-chicken-walker-jdteixeira-2 this thing doesn't have a multilaser. Or a heavy flamer for that matter, but I found one for that easily enough.

I've been futsing with it for the past couple days to make it more FDM-friendly, like combining the cab into one piece and doing some planar cuts. The legs aren't something I think I can make all that FDM-friendly so I'll just deal with the support trees.

[paper bluff]

Hmmmm

The caiphus cane books.I think are a good entry into warhammer forty k books

If they like funny little guys (smart ass, "good") or funny little guys (arrogant, evil)

The bellisaurus cawl and fabius bile books are good

[sour sequoia]

Ay if anybody in the warhammer squad in here is around denver I’m goin to the colorado cup next weekend

Got a solid group from montana warhammer cultivation temple comin

[soft willow]

Questoris-hime is so short compared to her cousins.

[runic swallow]

Almost as good as TOM CLANCY’S: Trans Daughter’s Maryland flag theme knights

[mental birch]

Re Tom Clancy: I blame the man for breaking so many people's brains with his Bear and Dragon nonsense

[paper bluff]

Welcome to the knight Cafe type shi

[onyx elm]

Feels like a space marine tea party is fairly often.

[broken dew]

@vital barn thought you might appreciate this description of a Fabricator General from a fanfic I'm reading

[dense sedge]

Bear and dragon?

[desert jay]

Russia and China

[finite compass]

The only thing I remember about that book is that a massive war starts because of abortion

[hardy harness]

In theory, what could a Rogue Trader who's secretly defected to the t'au do for her new allies

Trying to figure out what they'd have set my lass to the task of doing

[charred bridge]

Provide insight into how the imperium works

Create/fund/influence spies that relay info to Tau directly without you as a liason

Could be as simple as hiring people to find Tau sympatizers or people already doing business with them then sending money to everywhere around them so they do better and get more stuff to the Tau the imperium doesnt want to be shared

Funding areas with fringe groups of potential xenos sympatizers on worlds bordering Tau

[sour sequoia]

Lots of smuggling, lots of sudden diplomatic gains as Rogue Traders are gonna be the ones to know better what’s under pressure and ready to flip

[mental birch]

Modern CIA ass shit

Haagag

[little bay]

nice fucking shit

[mental birch]

Had the cannon and arm 3d printed the rest of it was from combat force becasue it was cheaper

[little bay]

cool

so what imperium faction is your favorite

mine techpriests

second astra militarum

third sister of battle

and fourth space marines

i just find the sisters of battle interesting

they just have something about them that i prefer over space marines

i mean i like the superhumen men only army of them

but there's something about the adepta sororitas that i prefer

but the techpriests are still above them

[mental birch]

Mechanicum is for heresy

[little bay]

mechanicus i meant

[mental birch]

I mean that this is for hotuz heresy ahaha

[little bay]

ah i see

[charred bridge]

Guard

I love the endless hordes of regular people being thrown at the meat grinder until it breaks

[little bay]

brave men and women fighting the imperiums rightous wars

as written in the ttrpg book of warhammer 40k wrath and glory

"what doesn't die to our artillery
we will crush beneath the treads of our tanks
what doesn't break at our firepower
we will drown in the blood of our ranks"

[hardy harness]

Grey Knights

Big fuckin' demon slaying badasses in the SICKEST fucking power armor with the coolest mf helmets of all the Space Marines and also they're psychic space wizards

[hardy harness]

Good points

[thin ibex]

I think i have a few favorites, but my go to is space wolves. Why? On the surface, I enjoy the vibe of space Vikings. I also enjoy how in a galaxy of death, space wolves are a faction of sagas, destiny, and personal heroics. Then another layer down I just enjoy how absolutely absurd they are. Their elite cavalry is like an 8 foot tall super soldier riding an even bigger mega wolf, and they keep it a "secret" from the galaxy at large. And many of them don't wear helmets because they have such keen senses and I guess no one shoots them in the head

I also enjoy the sort of meta story telling element of how astartes already have tall tales told of their exploits, and space wolves fully embrace the idea of telling tall tales

[broken dew]

i like how goofy and stupid the Wolves get at times

it's a good mix between "this is the coolest thing ever" and "this is beyond stupid"

[thin ibex]

They're one of the factions, like orks, where the comedy is still kind of baked in, as much as gw shaves away

[broken dew]

mhm

[little bay]

cool

[little bay]

if you think about it grey knights are amongst the rarest space marines

first you need a boy that can get the geneseed

which is rare

then he needs to be a sufficiently powerful psyker

which is even rarer

[bright dove]

Good news, they have a very good way to get that supply.

Black Ship Time.

[little bay]

we know

but still rare

i also have several ideas for a techpriest character in warhammer wrath and glory

perhaps an explorator or tech archeologist

or maybe a geneter

genetor

[bright dove]

I will say that a contributing factor to this is just how many chapters decide to recruit from worlds where the quality of life is dogshit.

[little bay]

perhaps

and i heard the gilead system got a lot of them

[bright dove]

So is it hard to survive getting all the space marine mods, or are you just expecting malnourished boys to survive multiple surgeries with not a lot of recovery time?

And considering the usual Imperial mindset, it's probably the latter.

Because you don't hear about the Ultramarines having a hard time getting their recruits to survive as much.

[main pagoda]

it is just be nature a very intesive set of surgerys and trainings

and they do space them out throughout your training/time as a scout

[thin ibex]

dang space wolves skip that, they load you up and then throw you into power armor with a chainsword and tell you to go sort yourselves out

[bright dove]

"Oh good, you survived drinking from the wolf cup."

[little bay]

"you're a space marine now"

[main pagoda]

yeah the wolves kinda do in inverse where vets become scouts not neophytes

[bright dove]

But yeah, Space Marine chapters seem to recruit from places where the population is going to have secondary health issues by virtue of being feudal or feral.

[main pagoda]

well stuff like that gets pruned out most of time prior to beginning accension

[bright dove]

Ehhh, malnutrition at that age is going to have effects anyways.

Much less things like Baal's constant radiation.

[thin ibex]

i feel as though non feral world populations arent actually doing a lot better but generally have a lot less combat experience

[little bay]

also isn't there one chapter who keep their planet in a war to get better soldiers?

[bright dove]

Even relatively sensible chapters like the Imperial Fists are recruiting from the Underhive.

[thin ibex]

like your normal person on a hive is malnourished and under sunned and over labored

so you might as well target the ones that are physically stronger/combat experienced

if your recruiting pool is like... uniformally not doing too hot

[bright dove]

Or you do what Guilliman did, and just custom orient a society so you have that good recruiting pool.

[thin ibex]

its definitely the better way to do it

[bright dove]

But most people are also not Guilliman.

And it still beats out the Chaos/Renegade approach.

[little bay]

a death corpse of krieg guardsmen would also be cool to play no?

[bright dove]

"OK, time to steal geneseed and just make use of any proper malcontents we find on our attacks."

[thin ibex]

carcharadons are kind of inefficient, they go out and like raid an imperial world, kidnap loads of people, and just like

test those people

red tithe and all that

[little bay]

rebreather flak armor and special lasgun with luscious pattern thingie

and krak grenades

[thin ibex]

kinda depends on what you mean by cool to play

cause like... youre gonna be siege warfaring it up, which are horrific conditions

but they have neat gear

[main pagoda]

crusading chapters are kinda hamstrung by the lack of solid recruiting pool

[bright dove]

Kriegers are kind of one-note.

[main pagoda]

idk

[bright dove]

It is frankly amazing the Black Templars have so many.

[main pagoda]

i feel its what you make of it

[little bay]

and entrenchment tool aswell maybe

[thin ibex]

i think individual kreigers dont have like... much characterization

individually i mean

[main pagoda]

Idk if you've read it but the siege of vraks books does a great job at it

[thin ibex]

we know they're hyper dogmatic and have that imperial guilt upbringing, and see death in service to the emperor as like as good as it gets

[floral herald]

Tbf the blood angels have a totally unique method for making space marines

[bright dove]

That they certainly do.

[desert jay]

Kriegers are kinda one-note but I think that note makes them very fun to put in Situations (normal human socialization)

[little bay]

and the horus stuff

[floral herald]

You just put aspirants in the archeotech casket for a year and 20% of them die and the rest turn into bishi supermen

[little bay]

my boys got a bit of a problem

[bright dove]

Honestly the 20% failure rate is the rad part tbh.

Impressively low considering the base material in this case.

[thin ibex]

oh i actually didn't know that thats how BA do that

[broken dew]

Blood Angels get better success rate and cooler guys in return for them going insane at some point or going full vampire

[floral herald]

Blood Angels are also kinda unique since their geneseed is like highly aggressive and works on anyone

[thin ibex]

also lol at caskets

really pushing the vampire stuff

[bright dove]

Look, you commit to the bit.

[floral herald]

Back before Sanguinius they’d straight up pressgang mutants and abhumans since they all come out the same

[thin ibex]

i appreciate it, as a space wolves enjoyer, i really enjoy the BA vampire stuff

cause its very silly

[bright dove]

Indeed!

[floral herald]

(They still did that after Sanguinius tbf)

[bright dove]

Look, if it works.

[broken dew]

that's pretty cool honestly

[bright dove]

Throw that ratling into the coffin.

[broken dew]

man i love Blood Angels

[bright dove]

I wonder what the Iron Hand success rate is like....

Because in addition to the several invasive surgeries, they add on more.

[floral herald]

They wait on those iirc

[bright dove]

Makes sense.

[floral herald]

Since there’s a ceremonial hand amputation at the end of the process for aspirants iirc

Which is the first step on the path of cyborging them up

[thin ibex]

throw ratling in the coffin, they come out handsome squidward and superstrong

[main pagoda]

Medusa is also just a hell hole which makes aspirants fairly survivable

[bright dove]

I don't remember what the Dark Angel recruitment process is like.

[thin ibex]

its probably secret

is it not the more traditional way?

[bright dove]

Well

They don't have a set world remember.

They have The Rock.

[main pagoda]

they just go to planets and go "I'll take the big one at the back"

[bright dove]

Don't even have the steady pool of a Fenris or Baal or what have you.

[main pagoda]

they do have a pool of worlds

they go one a year afaik and take the best

[bright dove]

OK.

A slightly better approach, depending on the hellhole nature of these worlds.

[main pagoda]

they try and go for feudal worlds that were kinda like Caliban

[floral herald]

It’s pretty standard

They have a bunch of recruiting worlds the rock tours

And a lot of the gaslighting happens later

[bright dove]

At least spreading it across multiple worlds is better.

[broken dew]

my favourite Dark Angels activity is feeding Techmarines to The Rock

good enrichment for the whole family

[thin ibex]

do they still need to do that after vashtor yoinked it's core?

[broken dew]

as i recall it was sort of important to The Rock functioning

so i assume so

The Master of the Rock is a variation of the Master of the Forge used by the Dark Angels. Ominously different from standard Masters of the Forge, upon ascending to this honoured position the Master of the Rock follows his predecessors by being permanently wired into the control system of the machine banks of The Rock. It is an important duty meant to placate the most important Machine Spirits, direct the maintenance engines and Warp Drives, and preserve the asteroids force fields. The previous Masters, whose bodies have completely withered, are left in place, their mechanical upgrades still working. Eventually they will be collected for display in the Alcoves of Honour of The Rock.

yeah genuinely unless they abandon The Rock entirely, which is fucking unlikely, i don't see how they could avoid having to feed tech marines to it even if whatever core Vashtorr took is gone now

great space marine enrichment activity

The previous Masters, whose bodies have completely withered, are left in place, their mechanical upgrades still working.

this is a funny line

[quaint compass]

Legs a'running

[broken dew]

Sarlacc pit type shit

[thin ibex]

"just leave em there bro"

[quaint compass]

"Dude, that one's tap-dancing. We can't just stop the little guy while he's having that much fun."

[broken dew]

i think i generally don't love the Dark Angels but the Watchers in the Dark genuinely elevates them several tiers higher than they would be without them

[thin ibex]

im contractually obligated to dislike DA as a SW player, but otherwise i think they're moderately neat

[quaint compass]

The less space marine they are, the cooler space marines become

[junior robin]

say what you will about the dark angels but they at least gave us the fallen

[quaint compass]

I only care for one thing of the Dark Angles
Inner Circle Companions

[broken dew]

my favourite Chapter is the Lamenters so i just hate Ultramarines

[quaint compass]

love me greatswordes

[broken dew]

Slaughterhouse 3 never forget

[little bay]

i like the lamenters aswell

because of how they act

but also the imperial fists

my unmoving golden boys

[broken dew]

Dorns boys are quite good

[little bay]

my first dreadnought i build was a brutalis pattern one

with power fists

meltas and the anti air gun

[little bay]

so what renegade of heretic legions are your favorite?

personally emperors children

and the night lords (those that actually are decent and still retain some of their sense of duty)

[finite compass]

Alpha Legion, Word Bearers, World Eaters, Sons of Malice, Red Corsairs

[thin ibex]

I was a big fan of the soul drinkers for a while

[jaunty dawn]

Word bearers

I like war hounds a lil

[little bay]

cool

[pulsar cairn]

Thousand Sons

[little bay]

also cool

[charred bridge]

Alpha Legion, or is it? I like renegade factions that aren't associated with chaos really they just really disagreed with the imperium and their reasons weren't all that influenced by the warp relatively their heresy is 99.91% human

2nd place I'd say Iron Warriors, they're not loyal to chaos they just like messing with chaos and putting them in explosives and stuff

[junior robin]

really hard to choose but I think death guard is my favourite, love to sculpt all those sores and buboes

iron warriors is probably close second.

you know, I think its a split with emperors children, bit sad they didnt give them as many options as in older editions with their new codex.

...wow this codex is even worse then I thought, noise marines aren't even battleline

also a big sons of malice fan, tried painting my army like them back in the days.

[broken dew]

i don't care much for chaos

[junior robin]

I think world eaters would be my favourite if they where lore accurate.

[broken dew]

i think if i HAD to pick one, Alpha Legion or Iron Warriors

[pulsar cairn]

Alpha Legion's cool

[bright dove]

Iron Within, Iron Without

[broken dew]

i find the idea of following chaos to just be like, inherently ridiculous so i just can't be interested in most of the chaos legions

[pulsar cairn]

yeah i agree

[charred bridge]

Get in the daemon engine Shinji

[broken dew]

Black Legion is a catch-all so in my head they're kinda just genericus

[charred bridge]

That's why I like the renegade factions

They ain't about worshipping chaos

[broken dew]

yeah

[pulsar cairn]

btw are Thousand Sons sorcerers like Ahriman in the sense that they believe themselves not in Tzeench's service?

[charred bridge]

They're traitors for nonchaos reasons

[broken dew]

i'd be interested in the Red Corsairs

however

they fucked over my boys big time

so i want Huron Blackhearts head on a pike

[broken dew]

i think it probably varies

but i imagine so yeah

i think they inherited a bit of the idiot ball from Magnus, plus Tzeentch would pick the guys who are self important enough to think they can outwit a god

[pulsar cairn]

yeh

i also ask that cause like

god of lies, manipulation and stuff

[broken dew]

again Ahriman did a spell and it turned all his brothers into fucking dust

and to try to solve it he cast the spell again

and it turned them even further into dust

so i don't have exactly a uh, high estimation of the Thousand Sons personally

[bright dove]

Look, I read Storm of Iron and it was really fun.

[pulsar cairn]

i think its interesting tho, to see a Chaos Character who's actually seeking some kind of redemption in saving his brothers

[broken dew]

big ups to the Rubric of Ahriman

[pulsar cairn]

makes his character feel a bit more deep than say

[broken dew]

turns people into dust with great effect

[bright dove]

So First place goes to the Iron Warriors, second goes to World Eaters.

[pulsar cairn]

"ah yes i just kill people a lot now"

[broken dew]

i think character wise i find Fabius Bile kind of interesting

[pulsar cairn]

oh yeah, i agree on that as well

i sometimes see some bits of books he appears in and its often fun

[runic swallow]

Bills great, I’m still mad there’s no Gene Hound models or rules

They’d make a great kill team!

[broken dew]

the god emperors strongest atheist

i find most chaos legions interesting almost entirely in the context of their primarch tbh

[pulsar cairn]

also in contrast, i dont find Kharn to be that much interesting compared to Ahriman and Bile

he was interesting in Horus Heresy at least

[runic swallow]

He has some moments, but yeah he’s pretty one note most of the time by 40k

[broken dew]

same with his primarch i feel

[vital barn]

I am annoyed with Fabius just because he gets so much screentime

he's got like three books of his own, he's in Cawl's book, he's in 5000 horus heresy novels and he never really does anything of great note in any of them except eat up page space

[broken dew]

that's fair

[vital barn]

"Bile is on Istvaan doing mad science" - yeah, we knew that, we didn't need to spend a quarter of Dropsite Massacre on it

his deal has been solidly established already and doesn't change, same as Kharn and Angron

both of whom have finished their arcs already

[broken dew]

mhm

[soft willow]

I want to be clear that they made Noise Marines good enough that they can’t be given battleline without breaking the game and I am fine with that.

[junior robin]

I remember back in the good old days when even terminators could have sonic weapons 👴 /j

[soft willow]

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see Noise Terminators and Noise Hellbrutes or something added to the faction.

[junior robin]

I would even take a noise cultist at this point

[soft willow]

Just a box of 28mm plastic metal groupies.

[desert jay]

I personally think all EC need is unique termies instead of generic ones, and a few more of the universal chaos options (eg. Helbrute, Predator, Vindicator)

[junior robin]

and WE need a tank commander

[desert jay]

And if GW is insistent on keeping them melee focus, EC Multilator datasheet

[junior robin]

(trying to figure out how to represent "fly" on a tank so I can use a bloodthirster rules for a tank commander 🤔 )

[runic swallow]

Re-added, technically, I remember them from back when

[junior robin]

so 2 bloodthirsters + 6 predators (3 of each type) + blood forged armour enchantment is 1500 pts

and would cost me $640 unless I can get some second hand predators...

[finite compass]

hovertank

[junior robin]

ah yes, the grav-rhino, not sure how I could have forgotten about that one

[soft willow]

They are apparently getting the new Defiler as an option

[desert jay]

Well that's one more

[pastel rampart]

Or find a place that prints FDM versions.

(or I guess check your local library, many have 3D printers now)

[junior robin]

doubt libraries got them, also not sure how worth it is to even build a world eater tank company as a joke

[charred bridge]

I love how silly they get with the Rhino

Rhino, an armored transport, with the variant that just is filled with stuff for weapons and cannot transport anything is peak 40k silliness to me

I also forget the assault carrier that basically does the same thing and basically just becomes a full on gunship

[runic swallow]

Oh boy, you should look into all the M113 variants out there then

[paper bluff]

Shame we just don't have possessed vehicles Anymore

[thin ibex]

so teh generic mutilators, think WE will get access to that data sheet?

[quaint compass]

Ye

But no raptors/warp talons

For reasons beyond my ken

[sour sequoia]

EC is one of the strongest codexes in the game tbh if you put yer noggin on, it got every tool it needs

90% of players quit just before they realize tech beyond “triple winged daemon prince”

[thin ibex]

theyre a very technical melee/speed/control army

i think maybe an issue with it is you don't get much build variety; but that same could be said for WE

DG i feel like you can actually play a variety of ways a lil

[sour sequoia]

DG has a comically bloated codex, piss n shit flavor is GW’s favorite every time lmao

EC has a lot of good stuff though, they were deep enough into 10th they did things like give Actual Rules to units instead of stock index horseshit

[thin ibex]

I think votann is an example of a fairly limited dex that still enables a decent variety of ways to play

[sour sequoia]

Votann, EC, GSC are all phenomenal ranges for how tight they are

You can use every part almost everywhere except a few very select stinkers, as long as you’re not hyperfixated on a What It Should Be

[thin ibex]

i actually bounce off of ec just cause i dont want to be that technical with them

i think they're real cool to think about

but i dont want to play em

the speed does appeal

i think they kinda lack, from a modeling perpective, nice, fancy centerpeices beyond fulgrim

i know fulgrim isn't like... considered a super strong primarch

but i think he's neat

[sour sequoia]

Really depends what you mean by centerpiece tbh

I think the Lord Exultant is one of the best character models in 40k

But I’m also the freak who’s putting 60+ hours into a 32mm Primus

[thin ibex]

usually i mean like some attention catching, big base, large surface models

where a lot of EC models are more subtle in their differences and largely mounted on a regular power armored chassis

[past sphinx]

i like the standard chaos lord is up there in terms of generic characters

heavy metal perfection

[pastel rampart]

https://www.kkinstagram.com/reel/DU1UDxWEoVP/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

[floral herald]

Lmfao this is killing me

[junior summit]

LMAO

[upper canopy]

Goremongers are among the most lucid and reliable of Khorne’s troops

I somehow don't believe this

[sour sequoia]

Oh I absolutely believe it have you met world eaters players

[upper canopy]

What's the difference between Wyrmblade and Brood Brothers?

[rocky shale]

Isnt wyrmblade like actual gsc guys

[mental birch]

Look i'm like the lampreys person but for crisis spam

[desert jay]

Yeah because they're non-marine cultists they don't get the nails

[upper canopy]

It's just really funny that their leader is a guy who cut his legs off and stapled metal into his head

[sour sequoia]

Wyrmblade is getting retired and relies more on having a few super survivable movie star agents and then chaff shitters sometimes with Funny Gun, brood brothers is a bunch of utility shitters that either synergizes off itself or backs up a Magus or Patriarch

Wyrmblade fully normal models—essentially a neophyte squad + locus, sanctus pair and kelermorph, while Brood Brothers is exclusively usable in killteam except for the broodcoven box character set

[tall depot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s9Ju4gFbCk

[pine matrix]

Anyone know a good stl for a Primaris apothecary backpack? I'd like to print one rather than buy a full kit for one

[pastel rampart]

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/chonky-gravity-biologist-with-a-pot-to-carry-for-sea-monster-box-keefpepper21-2 This should do.

Parts are separate too.

[pine matrix]

That's grand

[past sphinx]

you know

i dont think space marines can climb ladders

[charred bridge]

I don't imagine most ladders could even support their weight

[strong owl]

i know there's a bit in one of the novels where a dark angel goes straight through a set of stairs and gets stuck in a basement

[past sphinx]

a space marine therefore could not complete the Virtuous mission

[strong owl]

and they have to get a techmarine to get him out while all his battle-brothers are losing their shit

[charred bridge]

Darktide Rejects W

[past sphinx]

a space marine could NEVER achieve the rank of Big Boss

[charred bridge]

If space marines were more common people would probably counter them with like pit trap over thin walkways that could hold a dozen people but collapse under an astarte's weight with a proximity melta or krak grenade at the bottom

[runic swallow]

And also very carefully none of them say he “fell”

[quaint compass]

He be tripping

Common Dark Angels vernacular

[past sphinx]

i think this is done in remnant blade?

more or less

[charred bridge]

I would not be surprised if that happened in a Dan abbot book, the Emperor's strongest guard glazer and I'm all for it

[floral herald]

It’s also really funny because it’s a Deathwing training op and they’re all super careful to avoid saying falling

[charred bridge]

Brother I attempt covert operations but the auditory emaninations of my substantial posterior signals my position to the enemy patrols.

[main pagoda]

mkoll does kill a dreadnought with exploding plants

[charred bridge]

Considering the wildlife in 40k that's not very surprising to me

[pine matrix]

Not sure what to do with this leg piece, its needed to fill out the model, but I don't want the Red Corsair mark 🤔 guess I could file it down, but worried about making the rest of the leg look crappy

Could maybe use some green stuff to fill the missing section instead...

[pine matrix]

Also the chaos termies are a bit too...chaosy for the vibe I'm going for. Maybe I should grab some of the new termies and use those instead...

[sour sequoia]

Recommend chopping it and then using small amounts of milliput over greenstuff, it’ll respond better to further carving/filing/sanding once cured

[past sphinx]

finally playing Space marine 2 and my only real gripe so far is sprinting isnt terrifying

astartes is just my gold standard for a marine just fucking booking it

[pine matrix]

Like chopping the Corsair bit off or chopping it into pieces?

[sour sequoia]

Choppin the corsair bit off.

The shape’s pretty easy to cut with an xacto and sand down, it’ll look fine even with a lil irregularity

[pine matrix]

Roger!

[pine matrix]

Pretty happy how it's looking though! Ishim, former Sanguinary Guard, late of Death Company, first to drink from the Black Chalice. I'm sure he still wears his helmet-mask for normal reasons :)

[pine matrix]

Also a legionnare, this old Sanguinary guard box is full of good bits

[thin ibex]

So. Unsurprisingly my tau nar crusade army got trounced

But it was to a very advanced death guard army

Who had their plague ability last 2 turns

[wide veldt]

have no idea what im doing but looking at an imperial knights army and just

souping in some exaction squads for some cheap infantry lmao

[desert jay]

Imperial Knights is a chronic case of souping in agent squads

[rocky shale]

Honestly less than you'd expect

[desert jay]

Yeah usually just one or two if they do

[sour sequoia]

IIRC when knights is at its best they go less on the allies since you dont get the borderline Best In Slot of beasts of nurgle + nurglings or flesh hounds but also like

You sticky home objective on knights or you lose so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rocky shale]

Yeah you're taking like 1-2 squads of 60pt inquisitorial agents

Because they are as cheap as possible and not much else

For chaos nurglings + BoN is amazing and actually worth the points which is why you would see like 3x nurglings 3x BoN

Good ol 3x gatling despoiler, 3x karnivore, 3x nurgling, 3x beast of nurgle

[sour sequoia]

I did fight a guy who ran three castellans and max battle sisters once

[rocky shale]

lmaooo

[mental birch]

I'm a monster 1k points 1 knight defender and 4 armigers

[rocky shale]

How did that go?

[mental birch]

Mostly for the 4 dreadnoughts with -1 damage

[rocky shale]

If you play knights at 1k you deserve prison

[mental birch]

I've beaten several people who did that before at the game lpl

Lol

[rocky shale]

The only time I've lost at 1k with knights was against rogal dorn spam

[mental birch]

I was playing battlesuit spam in reraliation vs CK wardog spam

[sour sequoia]

<————— 100% wr vs knights at 1k

Pre-nerf outlander claw was demonic

[mental birch]

ret [Tau Empire] - (1840 points)
Detachment: Retaliation Cadre

Commander Farsight (85 points)
Commander In Coldstar Battlesuit (95 points)
Commander In Coldstar Battlesuit (95 points)
Commander In Enforcer Battlesuit (100 points)
Commander In Enforcer Battlesuit (80 points)
Crisis Fireknife Battlesuits (120 points)
Crisis Fireknife Battlesuits (120 points)
Crisis Starscythe Battlesuits (110 points)
Crisis Starscythe Battlesuits (110 points)
Crisis Sunforge Battlesuits (140 points)
Crisis Sunforge Battlesuits (140 points)
Kroot Carnivores (65 points)
Pathfinder Team (90 points)
Pathfinder Team (90 points)
Riptide Battlesuit (200 points)
Stealth Battlesuits (100 points)
Stealth Battlesuits (100 points)

I tbibk this is the list for twi s

[rocky shale]

Oh wardog spam is a bit of a different threat than big knights

[mental birch]

Imagine 4 armigers with -1 damage

hahaha

[pine matrix]

Are there any depictions of what it's like falling to the Black Rage, either first person or as observed by someone else?

[floral herald]

Yeah there’s a few

The end and the death 3 has a good third person account

[pine matrix]

Roger roger

I was thinking of writing a little vignette of my OC warband leader trying to treat someone with the Black Rage

[thin ibex]

Is mephiston still the only person to have pulled themselves back from the black rage on their own?

[pine matrix]

Actually, are there stories that show what it's like dealing with someone in the Black Rage, like the Death Company when they're locked in the tower? I know the BA Chaplains minister to them

[pine matrix]

I think so, that's part of his specialness

[thin ibex]

I know Astorath's job is to kill those afflicted when they're too far gone right?

[pine matrix]

Yeah, that's his job

[floral herald]

Afaik yes

[pine matrix]

Astorath has fallen to the Rage but is able to control himself enough to lead Death Companies

[junior robin]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/f7bd1ghe/revealed-give-them-both-barrels-with-the-new-titan-hunting-falchion-tank/

[mental birch]

Twin barrel lets gooo demolisher

[main pagoda]

theres a short story in the Armageddon omnibus that depicts a flesh tearer who has fallen to the black rage and his squad mate chasing him down. Gives you both POV's great story

[jaunty dawn]

ooh pretty

this is so odd pff

[pine matrix]

Nice, I found an excerpt from it, interestingly the Black Rage'd Tearer starts speaking in High Gothic and the language of Baal, something he shouldn't know how to speak

[pine matrix]

10ft of range lmao, welcome back Deathstrike missile

[junior robin]

good thing its not on a rotating turret

[pine matrix]

The tank is the turret!! Spin those treads and find another target!

[paper bluff]

The flesh tearers are a unique case where they kind of are constantly always a little bit angry. And that lets them sort of slipin and out of the black rage.

[past sphinx]

flesh "fuck it we baal we baal we baal" tearers

[upper canopy]

this is a pretty silly thing to give space marines I feel like

[past sphinx]

i do love Nassir in that sanguinus was like "yeah this guys a dick and i love him for it"

i keep this screaming maniac around for the vibe

[charred bridge]

I thought this was a copper meme before I noticed the extra s

[mental birch]

GW decides Admech players deserce to auffer for rhe new models they just revealed

Technixally theres a charachter

Hahaahahha

[jaunty dawn]

it's wild

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/e9dl4ok8/sneak-peek-new-ork-bits-sighted/?utm_source=CUSTOMERS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=WH_9th_March_Battalions_&utm_content=&utm_term=

deff dread???

mega armour warboss maybe

no idea what this would be tho

[soft willow]

Grot bike.

[upper bluff]

Yeah that looks like a grot on a bike

If it's a token for a bigger unit or just a grot biker squad I guess we have to wait and see

[upper bluff]

This better cost $60 lmao

Pls gw just give us a box with more than 500 pts in it

[vital barn]

wow, that's fucking awful

[broken dew]

?

[rocky shale]

It's a decent discount if it's like $170usd like a combat patrol, it's terrible if it's $215+ like some of the larger boxes

[jaunty dawn]

mostly I just feel like the gun and the claw are from the same unit so it would be weird for the grot to be something else I guess

is he on a hook?

looks a bit like side saddle too

[main pagoda]

could be meganobz

[desert jay]

Would really amuse me to also see it come with combat patrol rules

[jaunty dawn]

weren't there grot piloted rockets before

grot bomb

[desert jay]

Yeah and every so often you see grot gunners on another not-grot-driven vehicle

[mental birch]

GW: Admech players hqvent been tormented in a while

[desert jay]

Also, pretty each of those three models individually costs more than 60 bucks right now

[paper bluff]

Mechanicum stay winning

[upper bluff]

This new Admech box honestly would've been better if it was just 3 iron striders. Assuming the discount is nice

[sour sequoia]

Legitimately if its a normal fucking combat patrol bundle its good pricing

I’d probably buy it so I’m not cursed with the thousand dollar vehicle pile

[upper bluff]

I just keep on looking at that lone ironstrider and thinking about how ridiculous the price to points value it is

Dude is probably dropping the value of the box by just being there

[jaunty dawn]

it's kinda gotta be combat patrol priced

cause comparing it to two tanks and two dreads and an upgrade sprue (sure, one of the dreads is monopose)

[upper bluff]

If it is it's probably fine but otherwise

[jaunty dawn]

it's not even funny

[upper bluff]

Like if it's $160-180 that's like a 30% discount from buying them separately but the pricing on things has been so ugugifnrhig that I'm expecting a $200 price tag

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/KJJ1V/d77a556cbb.jpg

All else fails, kitbash yer own.

[thin ibex]

You know I just realized I like the dread with an onslaught more than I like the plasma just like i like the riptide with a gatling gun more

[junior robin]

probably because more dakka

really curious about the sneak peek of the new ork gatling gun because it seems to have parts of a skull with teeth attached to it 🤔

[jaunty dawn]

Besst snagga deff dread…

[junior robin]

snagganaut

also feels like the thing the grot is holding is a crank, maybe for a rotating gun turret 🤔

[jaunty dawn]

that could totally be it

[thin ibex]

Squig powered deff dread

[junior robin]

like a giant skaven doomwheel but with squigs

I wonder if there is any mad dok out there that have figured out that space marines contains extra squishy bits on the inside and have tried to see what happens if you put them in a ork 🤔

[jaunty dawn]

Oh yeah I just now noticed both his hands were on the crank

[junior robin]

I might be wrong, on a second look is it unclear if the grot is sitting sideways or standing on a uneven surface 🤔

[main pagoda]

my hope is hes hand cranking a gun on a meganob or smthing

just a lil guy

[junior robin]

or return of cyboars, cranking that hog

[jaunty dawn]

Theres a cyboar for the nob rider pretty sure

[tranquil ivy]

PLASTIC FALCHION HOLY FUCKING BINGLE

LETS FUCKING GO

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/KJJhC/8ae535498c.jpg

Slowly getting more confident in this. Still a lot of kitbashing but easier to make shapes out of nothing.

[broken dew]

nice

[cloud flicker]

The new Tau Heroes look sick damn.

They're pretty cool too with the melee stuff.

I'm glad fusion blades are back in some form.

[quaint compass]

Shooting as melee 😌

[upper bluff]

They're unbelievably cool. Also at 160 points I'm expecting them to be in literally every list for the rest of 10th ed

[vital barn]

the pricing on Nekrosor, the Twin Lance and the ultramar auxilia does faintly remind me of the end of 7th where they brought out a bunch of new characters with random, incredibly cracked point costs on them because the rules would all be obsolete in a few months anyway

Cawl, 7e Guilliman etc.

[hardy harness]

How independent are the Votanns' Ironkin?

[upper bluff]

From my understanding they're about as independent as anyone else

[jaunty dawn]

Theyre just guys but they are like

One of several specific types of guy I think

Which is also true of meatkin

[quaint compass]

They're basically proper people, while the COG units are variably independent AI

[hardy harness]

They're independent enough to make their own choices and decisions in where they wanna go in life, I assume?

[jaunty dawn]

But theres nothing stopping them doing anything they get good at

Yeah theyre as much people as the meatkin

[tired cairn]

The new warrior prime didn't get the memo

[hardy harness]

Right

...moderately stupider question, is it possible for Kastelans to somehow gain sentience?

[broken dew]

they run off punch cards iirc

so probably not

they don't have anything close to a semblance of thought

you code an order into it, then when it's done you need to take it out and put in a new one

[hardy harness]

Right

[broken dew]

`The robots have a number of battle protocols that they follow, and every Kastelan must be carefully programmed for each new task, lest it simply continue ad infinitum with its existing orders.

It is not unknown for a maniple of Kastelans to stride purposefully into a lake of lava, or slaughter its way through a city even after destroying the techno-insurrectionists it was sent to eliminate.`

there isn't anything in there that could be gaining sentience, not even the most rudimentary computer or even just a brain of some kind

[hardy harness]

I assume "sentient" ones would have some outside intelligence using them as a body, as opposed to becoming their own beings

[broken dew]

it would be a different story for other kinds of automata who have some kind of "brain" so to speak, the possiblity would exist in my mind at least

but Kastelans straight up just work on punch cards

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah like ur-025

[broken dew]

i mean

UR-025 is a Man of Iron

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah but hes inside a cybernetica robot

Which is basically just a smaller kastelan

[hardy harness]

...on the topic of the Men of Iron, what is it that makes them so strong, anyway?

[upper bluff]

They were just straight scifi ai

[quaint compass]

Golden Age tech as their foundation, and being smart as hell

[broken dew]

also the tech level they come from was uh

Necron level

i wanna remember

when they were made Humanity was moving in hitherto unknown ways tech wise

[upper bluff]

Yeah golden/dark age tech is the black hole gun level of ridiculousness

[broken dew]

both being just straight up unbound AI and also having obscenely advanced weapons and bodies

made them quite scary

[hardy harness]

I see

[upper bluff]

There's that one story everyone loves talking about where some Admech discover a golden age ship lost in the warp and the ai onboard was straight up magical with the crap it was pulling

[hardy harness]

The one that just fucking hates humanity after her crew got tortured to death by the Inquisition?

[charred bridge]

Unbound self replicating AI

Could work/fight/create 24/7 with no biological concerns or weaknesses and we're as smart if not smarter than humans.

[hardy harness]

Hrm

Are the Ironkin of the Votann made of the same tech?

Or is it not nearly as sophisticated?

[jaunty dawn]

Unknown

[pastel rampart]

Shotguns are a melee weapon when you think about it.

[jaunty dawn]

But most likely ironkin are literally men of iron but men of iron kinda just refers to all cybernetic life

[vital barn]

Kastelans can sometimes develop their own weird intellect

[jaunty dawn]

All of which was proscribed regardless

[hardy harness]

Ah, I see

[broken dew]

really?

that is actually shocking

how the hell does that work

[vital barn]

yeah, they're smarter than they look

In addition to robots that belong to certain Forge Worlds, there are also "itinerant" Kastelan Robots that are older than the Imperium and some call no single forge world home. Bands of these machines may appear in battle and join to congregations of the Cult Mechanicus to help them. This phenomenon is taken as a sign of great favour from the Omnissiah. Itinerant robots allow themselves to be directed by local Tech-Priests and fight on until the battle is won. After that they dissapear as mysteriously as they previously arrived, perhaps for centuries at a time.

[wide veldt]

Ranged weapons that shoot in melee would be a nice thing to be like

A keyword

Would be nice to have stuff for close ranged combat other than assault

[jaunty dawn]

Thats kinda more like pre kastelan

[wide veldt]

I mean I guess there’s melta but that’s way more of a specialist thing

[broken dew]

that is exceedingly strange to hear about the punch card powered robots

[vital barn]

there's one in a short story that eventually becomes smart enough to autonomously defend its injured datasmith and drag him away from all the bad stuff without punchcard orders

[wide veldt]

Well it’s important to remember that the Admech also just

Lie

[jaunty dawn]

Though I think even modern robots can kinda eke out some sentience

[wide veldt]

All the time

So kastellans might (probably do) has secret ai deep down

[charred bridge]

Cawl and his definitely not AI

[broken dew]

i guess you could go "muh machine spirits" and all that