Warhammer and Such

[rocky shale]

Is that draxus with the heavy intercessors?

[sour sequoia]

Nah you slap him in with heavy intercessors

[rocky shale]

Yeahhhh

[thin ibex]

Warlord apothecary

Also funny

[rocky shale]

Draxus is crazy good

[sour sequoia]

As much as I hate triple vindi

[thin ibex]

Draxus is yeah, a comp pick

[sour sequoia]

I respect anything that tells current average necron player to eat shit and die

[thin ibex]

Lol

[sour sequoia]

We can have a real meta again when people stop running 5 ctan

[thin ibex]

I'm trying to decide, if I switch to tau, if I want to bring a tau nar

In crusade

The idea that the experimental Cadre can use it's big shooting strats on it

It's silly

[wide veldt]

Me, normal person, running normal Necrons: don’t yell at me

[thin ibex]

Is*

[wide veldt]

I just want my robots man

Maybe one (1) star god

See yknow what we could bring back is when you could only have a certain percentage of ur points be monsters-

I am shot on sight

[pale narwhal]

or like. limited slots for vehicles and monsters that you can fill before you're penalised for it or something. Call it a force organisation chart. Knights ofc with some exceptions to the rule because they're knights.

[quaint compass]

That'd be silly

As if that'd ever exist within 40k

I am however interested in Detachment specific organization as a compromise

1 Slot for each "Type" like old + Battleline, but you may add more at a cost. Detachment organization giving you more slots and whatnot.

[pastel rampart]

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/soul-stealer-warrior-kit-32mm-alien-monsters Aw yeah that's the good stuff

[junior robin]

finally, Mk V power armour inspired primaris lieutenant

also oh man the guy who made the soul stealers above also got one based on the old "exploding" licktor

[still warren]

Got to be the cog forts coming for cities of sigmar

[thin ibex]

id be really down for detachment org charts; but I do also feel like it makes it much harder to balance, in that the ones with the good org charts would always be better kinda

[quaint compass]

Yee

But that's only an issue if the game is allowed to skew towards a few good units (GW will still rotate which units those are as usual)

[sour sequoia]

Ohhhh this rips I been needing acolyte bodies

Can give em big tattered robes w/ greenstuff

[thin ibex]

something i noticed that was a little silly. The crucible champ for tau can give bonus shots to all weapons in the squad, so if you make em a pathfinder, you can get a volley of 6 rail rifle shots and 2 fusion nades

[quaint compass]

Yes!

[jaunty dawn]

Darkstrider eat your heart out

[thin ibex]

no longer shall my pathfinders be sacrifices, instead they will shoot once and then die anyway probably

[quaint compass]

FOR THE RAILING GUN

[thin ibex]

im considering bringing the tau nar in a crusade, but man its hard to plan around an 800 ish point model

[quaint compass]

A friend of mine started his crusade with an orca

Baaad move strategically, but he gets my respect for going hard into vibes

[pine matrix]

Start a crusade with one of these bad boys

[thin ibex]

honestly considered it

problem was that id be locked into 3k battles

and 1k battles with about 900 points of models

also i dont know if itd... fit on the map

[quaint compass]

It's, uh, nearly impossible to play on the average board

[pastel rampart]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CjjTMc8o4vV/?igsh=dmlpaHp1NDRhdHR2 Ah, so that's how to get the retro green look.

gbg_miniatures

Tutorial: Retro Tabletop Grass. Detailed instructions below…

What you will need:

• SAP Green (acrylic)
• Primary Yellow (acrylic)
• Titanium White (acrylic)
• Water
• Washing-up liquid
• Granulated cork

I bought my 0.2-0.5mm granulated cork from cork-shop.co.uk (not sponsored). It is super cheap and 1kg will last you a long time!

We’re go...

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[sweet solar]

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[upper bluff]

Tough words for someone with a big green eye

What tomb world inspired that little augment

[raven meteor]

Could have said what was on the second page 💀

[deft crest]

CW Dismemberment/Gore

-# But you are already in warhammer chat but still

[raven meteor]

The reason it annoyed me in particular is because I assumed it was gonna be a joke comic because they both look like anime girls 😭

[sonic hare]

I thought they were gonna fuck

[charred bridge]

Why do they have hair

[pulsar cairn]

i wanna shoot the villain! (not cawl)

[past sphinx]

i want to shoot the villian!

(totally cawl)

[pastel rampart]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/465862006163898368/1475257348208595214/40K_Bald_Scalp_Massage_Bugs_Bunny.mp4?ex=699ece38&is=699d7cb8&hm=064d53f6261f1a6fe9258aa1342abefd235274ad9c9d70281aa0d60a53438abd&

[wide veldt]

Sororitas is next on the docket for me to look at

Mostly interested in the penitent and angel aspects of the army

[past sphinx]

engines suck to paint!

love em tho

[charred bridge]

The thing about penitent engine is you can model your opponent's waifu/OC on it as psychological warfare

[raven meteor]

👁️

[pulsar cairn]

this made me laugh so hard

[tranquil ivy]

chat i dont know what to buy.

Vindicator, Havoks, Iron Father Feirros, SO MANY OPTIONS CHAT

[jaunty dawn]

Feirros is a nice model

[sour sequoia]

I usually advise buying staples n non-uniques before heroes

Vindicators are a good tool to have

[tranquil ivy]

its more "do i need it?"

for now the answer is no so i wont buy anything just yet

[sour sequoia]

They’re a solid answer rn to a lot of The Meta but if your scene is loading up on banana boys and ctan its less pressing for sure

I just think they’re a good lookin tank in general also

[tranquil ivy]

True, true. In all honesty im looking at getting a Spartan tank and running it as a Land Raider

the sun is nice today

speaking of the sun

im gonna fire the sun at the next warlord titan i see rah

[jaunty dawn]

Id recommend going for a heresy land raider (proteus?) If you want that aesthetic cause the spartan is significantly larger than a land raider

[tranquil ivy]

my lgs shouldn't mind

[i dont play comp]

[jaunty dawn]

You might physically have problems moving it around on 10e boards haha

[junior robin]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/aqaoebif/berehk-stornbrow-is-the-premier-big-guy-killer-in-the-leagues-of-votann-as-proved-by-his-new-datasheet/

fun fact, röv is swedish for ass

[tranquil ivy]

the Proteus looks too stumpy to me :[

[jaunty dawn]

True

[tranquil ivy]

I mean shit, worth it

[jaunty dawn]

The spartan is cool though

[tranquil ivy]

yuh huh

[jaunty dawn]

Sos long as youre aware

[tranquil ivy]

mhm

sure it'll put me at a disadvantage but it looks neato burrito

[tranquil ivy]

do i?

[paper bluff]

Sure

[tranquil ivy]

im spending £30 or so over the next few months which is better than full price in one go

[charred bridge]

What a thumbnail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSmL54XKvhE

[tranquil ivy]

Vulkan Hestan proxy

not vulkan in lore but uses his datasheet

[tranquil ivy]

so the Dusk Wyrms have an event known as the "Battering Ram" incident, and all im gonna say on the matter is this

[quaint compass]

So a naval battle

[tranquil ivy]

"battle" isnt a good word for it

they tried boarding a ship, failed, stole another ship, then rammed the fucking thing

[quaint compass]

Good naval doctrine at play tbqh

[little bay]

i just had an idea for a character for warhammer 40k wrath and glory

a renegade space marine similar to talos (?) who is just and fair but cold

[little bay]

the omnissiah likes this

[quaint compass]

Oooh that's stylish

[mental birch]

Skittles

[main pagoda]

these are the new 30k ones right?

[mental birch]

Yee

[main pagoda]

first time seeing them non warcom they look great

[upper bluff]

I still prefer 40k skitarii but I can't deny the 30k ones are fantastic

just uhh, keep the helmet on

[runic swallow]

Picklehaube 🫵

I do think the idea of a picklehaube but it’s actually an antenna is very funny

[pastel rampart]

Leman Russ battle tank printed and magnetized.

[pine matrix]

Looks great, did it come with sections for magnets in the print?

[pastel rampart]

Yup!

https://makerworld.com/en/models/1123511-wargame-tank-imperial-guard#profileId-1299734 Model in question.

https://makerworld.com/en/models/1512693-lemony-ruse-plasma-cannon?from=search#profileId-1584186 And associated plasma cannon.

I gotta modify the turret to slap on the full suite of LR main weapons, since no one has bothered doing dual autocannons or a vanquisher cannon or nova cannon or siege cannon.

[broken dew]

think i wanna do some more art for my homebrew chapter

also need to take the time to read some codexes and rewrite the lore i wrote for them

[mental birch]

Obviously drone kink lol

[runic swallow]

Hey now, I was making an entirely chaste historical thing + robot fellas joke

[dense sedge]

finished assemblying my ash waste noamds

[runic swallow]

Those models all seem cool as hell

[dense sedge]

they are neat yeah

[junior robin]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/uvhbkjz6/first-look-at-the-datasheet-for-the-new-tyranid-prime-with-lash-whip/ finally

now we only need to wait 3 more years for the gun prime

[hollow laurel]

It's Kill TIME!

(Running a chill lil KT learning session today)

[little bay]

hey those tyranids?

gorgon?

[mental birch]

Whqt should i paint these lads

[thin ibex]

Guys, do I switch to my first love, space wolves, because my most common opponent will be dark angels, or do I switch to my main love, Tau, because I just haven't really played them in crusade much?

Currently playing votann but switching off because they don't have any weirdo units that are normally unusable

Or big bombastic centerpieces

[floral herald]

Wolves vs angels is iconic

[thin ibex]

Right? And the DA player is the only one in my timezone for the crusade, so I'll fight them often

[upper canopy]

Wolves vs Angels is iconic but also you'd narratively have to justify why they'd be at war with each other a ton

because they don't actually like

kill each other that often

[thin ibex]

True

Especially not when there's chaos to be fighting

Which there is

The setting is a all out brawl on a single planet while a Nurgle plague ravages it

Currently we've got these doing into our second phase
IG, RG, DA, and maybe DA (they've been absent)

CSM + CK, DG, WE, Daemons (mono tzeentch)

Orks, Votann (me, switching)

I could go chaos but I'm just not interested in it

[thin ibex]

i narrowed down my very indecisive self to SW or Tau because those are my OGs and i should play them both more

if i do SW im also not sure if im gonna do wolfspear and play vanguard or play true blue space wolves

for Tau i know id be bringing a tau nar

[thin ibex]

currently the DG and WE are fucking unbeatable

csm player is swapping from orks, im swapping from votann, and we have a GK player swapping to guard

[thin ibex]

thinkin ill go tau

[spice flicker]

Thoughts on this tyranids list? I will note that the only reason neurogaunts are present is because I had spare points and if I am not using them to daisy chain synapse then they'll be spread out to screen out deep strikes into my deployment zone.

[rocky shale]

This list feels like it wants to be the swarm detachment

[spice flicker]

I was torn between unending swarm, synaptic nexus, and invasion fleet

[rocky shale]

You have like 900 points of gaunts

[spice flicker]

If this seems decent then I might use it as a basis to work backwards until I get down to 750 points and use it for crusade as well.

Yeah swapping to swarm.

[rocky shale]

I've never seen a list like it this edition so idk

600 points of zoanthropes and no tanky monsters is kinda wack

You're definitely vulnerable to some flying melee just hopping your gaunts and obliterating all your shooty worms

[spice flicker]

True

[rocky shale]

Why so many identical units?

Those auras don't stack so it's not great imo

[spice flicker]

Honestly it was a simple 10 minute list I decided to try and put together when the idea of spamming gaunts and neurotyrants+zoans came to mind.

Gaunts rush forward while the heavy firepower of the zoans cover from the rear.

[rocky shale]

Neyrotyrants have abilities that don't stack and so do zoans

There's definitely better shooty backline to spam imo

Also if you are in endless multitudes there's good enhancement options

[spice flicker]

True

Alright so ill remove the lictors and neurogaunts for 165 points, how should I spend it?

Could do 2 units of ranged warriors to provide more synapse i guess.

[thin ibex]

Don't the neuro tyrants stack with sitw?

[spice flicker]

Maybe double venomtropes?

[tepid stratus]

I mean to be fair zoans with an attached neurotyrant is pretty killy but 3 bricks of it is a bit much

[spice flicker]

Maybe 2 bricks instead of 3?

[tepid stratus]

If you can rework the points trading in the lictors for von Ryan's leapers would be a good swap

[tepid stratus]

Yeah I wouldn't do more than 2

Toss in an exocrine or tyranofex if you need another artillery bug

[rocky shale]

Maybe a tyranid prime to give enhancements to some gaunts

[tepid stratus]

The new foot prime will be pretty good with hormagaunts

[spice flicker]

Alright so getting rid of one neurozoan brick, the lictors, and the neurogaunts (dont like these guys tbh but they're cheap) leaves me with 470 points to work with.

Taking 2 exocrines will leave me with 190 points

[tepid stratus]

The 2-3 enhancements those 45pts can buy is genuinely more useful than the neurogaunts

Winged give tyrant is never a bad pick

[spice flicker]

How are the barbgaunts? Worth taking a 10 man brick?

[tepid stratus]

Very situational. You'll have some matchups they're good for but in general they're not really damage dealers and some matchups just won't care about them

[spice flicker]

I see

How does it look now?

[tepid stratus]

Looks decent. Only other thing that I think would fit the theme is the momma bug

[spice flicker]

Not a fan of it tbh

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pbD2evKdMI

[pine matrix]

Full ironkin Votann squad? Let's go

[spice flicker]

What should I cut for some venomthropes?

[thin ibex]

isnt the like

holy trinity like psychophage, venomthrope, zoanthropes

handing out fnp, invuln, and stealth to gaunts

biggest problem is they cant keep up with gaunts

incidentally i think invasion fleet is actually better for big gaunt horde than the swarm detach

but swarm detach is still decently funny

[sour sequoia]

Invasion Fleet is no frills just very fucking good detachment forever

[thin ibex]

yeah gives you what you need

and mass gaunt attacks with a tag is usually quite scary

[sour sequoia]

Tyranids mostly suffer from dogshit datasheets and no outright apology like admech, orks, sisters got

[thin ibex]

last time i dabbled i did notice my units were just sooorta bad individually

synaptic kinda helps in melee

but like

it feels as though it was largely designed around the benefit of invasion fleet lol

though i know the underground one is king rn cause you can do goofy deepstrike stuff

[sour sequoia]

Subterranean is mostly king because you can actually deliver your paper monsters to the enemy, and then also you just reroll all 1s to hit

[thin ibex]

incidentally, nids would be cool to have 2 army rules imo, make hyper adaptation a core part of their faction, tie it to synapse or something

[sour sequoia]

The faction has no hit rerolls elsewhere besides exocrines, who are a mandatory 3x on top of your Biovores and Neurotyrant and Deathleaper to make shadow in the warp even worth

[thin ibex]

they do get silly shenanigans

with the biovores

[spice flicker]

That and the need to keep someone on the hope objective because sticky objectives is very rare with nids is why I always have at least one.

Doesn't hurt that they're a cheap unit too.

[thin ibex]

the braingaunts should get sticky

leave like psychic spore on it or something

or, a really spicy thing, give lictors or von ryan's sticky

i do wish warriors still had that vibe of being outright better than basic marines

[tepid stratus]

I mean warriors still are better than basic marines

Melee warriors are much beefier than assault intercessors

[thin ibex]

thats fair, they just don't seem to be able to accomplish as much if that makes sense. Intercessors are rollin with assault/heavy and the ability to vomit out mass volume fire, sticky

warriors get what they have

like ranged warriors do not feel nearly as versatile. melee warriors are decently good at what they do

[jaunty dawn]

Warriors had heavy bolt rifles before heavy bolt rifles

Wait when did they make heavy bolt rifles damage 2

Fucked up

[thin ibex]

they did indeed xD

also they're now 36" range

now that i picked tau, im torn between taking loads of suits and bringing some legends, or doing aux cadre and getting aux rep

[jaunty dawn]

Space marines are so dumb

[spice flicker]

Go with the suits.

[thin ibex]

i AM bringing a tau nar, so its not vibed like a rapid reaction coalition

[jaunty dawn]

Tidewall

[thin ibex]

dont tempt me i will

i actually LIKE the tidewall

[wide veldt]

Yeah so like

What’s the deal with fortifications

[thin ibex]

drone port or gun rig?

[spice flicker]

Spam tidewall and infantry.

Go with the option with more and bigger dakka

[thin ibex]

so the drone port has more dakka, the gun rig has bigger dakka

drope port gets to shoot at every eligible target

gunrig is a str 20 railgun

the main thing i dont want to avoid my iconic favorites like the hammerhead rail, the broadside

and so on

[rocky shale]

Movement is good and necessary to win the game and fortifications don't move

[wide veldt]

Have they EVER been good?

[rocky shale]

Not this edition

[wide veldt]

Well fair I more meant like

In 40ks lifespan lmao

[rocky shale]

I haven't played others but I'd imagine basically everything has been playable at one point

Modern 40k is about moving forward and taking points for the most part, and fortifications do neither

The tau ones can move which is funny and takes them from "for wierd defensive narrative battles only" to extremely niche edge pick that might someday get used

IIRC someone did run the tidewall gun rig in a comp list

[sour sequoia]

The stupid ass dark angels cathedral was meta for a while, the aegis used to be serviceable, the death guard poop factory has tech rn

[desert jay]

And the Hammerfall Bunker doesn't even have deep strike

Despite it being dropped from orbit being the notable thing about it in lore

[wide veldt]

Feel like they could be good with more like

Asymmetrical gameplay

Some kinda attack the fortified position game mode

Idk

[rocky shale]

The current mission pack has asymmetric deployments and missions

Just not used for tournament play

[wide veldt]

Mhm

[desert jay]

A literal quote from datasheet fluff:

Hammerfall Bunkers are launched from Space Marine warships in the same manner as Drop Pods
Drop pods? Deep strike. Hammerfall? Nope

[wide veldt]

Okay so they’re for that I guess

[rocky shale]

They're for a neat display piece that happens to have rules that you use when they stumble into being useful

GW is a miniatures company that occasionally writes game rules

Some of them are very pretty painting projects tho

[thin ibex]

They're in a weird spot of being terrain pieces that have rules, hp, and sometimes weapons

I think few have been outright auto take for competetive, but they can be fun

[mental birch]

Suits no need legends

[broken dew]

is this some form of hover robit

[paper bluff]

I do hope that they're going to make the bolt shotgun better

[broken dew]

cause those engines look rather comically small for keeping that flying

[mental birch]

Its a pre corruption blight drone

[mental birch]

Vultarax

[broken dew]

interesting

[thin ibex]

but I wannnnna, I like the yvara and can't really use it other contexts

and i can modify its weapon with battle honors

[pastel rampart]

I hope they make the game better because the first Boltgun was just kinda Whatever™.

[wide veldt]

Yeah it thematically kinda ruled but mechanically it was

Eh

[pastel rampart]

It pretended to be a boomer shooter but played like a Doom 2016 clone with worse levels and harder-to-locate enemies.

[past sphinx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcAI1VBB5NY

[humble plover]

"Guardsman" is actually Alpharius, you can't fool me

[charred bridge]

I can confirn
Source: I am Alpharius

[hardy harness]

Do you lot reckon the T'au would be open to human psykers joining up with them

[thin ibex]

Conditionally, yeah

They call psychic abilities mind science

They have other psyker member species

[hardy harness]

Ah, neat

...I assume they aren't as prone to blowing up or summoning eldritch monstrosities though

[charred bridge]

Turns out treating psykers well with care works pretty well to maintain their mental fortitude and reduce temptations of chaos

[broken dew]

alternatively suffer not the witch to live

also extremely effective warp phenomena deterrent

more of an imperium strat though

[restive obsidian]

Not specifically any Hive fleet, just what I thought would look cool. And also would look really cool under purple light

[jaunty dawn]

Gun rig seems more interesting overall

[tranquil ivy]

chat...

my biggest mini to date

[pine matrix]

Hell yeah

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/giant-bomb-jeff-gerstmann-bigger-mario-party-gif-25290782

[tranquil ivy]

once there's a plastic Falchion kit i'll buy one

[junior robin]

was looking up super-heavies and Epic scale Stormblade did not fuck around

[floral herald]

Oh I love that

[runic swallow]

Ourple….

[pine matrix]

I've not read the Votann novels, do they use money? I kinda assumed they were a post-scarcity kind of society (fueled by all the planet cracking and stealing)

[tired cairn]

Yeah, I thought internally (within a... Kindred?) they are kind of communist but externally facing they are pretty rapturous for resources

[teal lion]

they are competitive against themselves but not to the point of self harm and they have guild who are economic groups

[quaint compass]

Each League is composed of all manner of guilds, companies, and other mercantile bodies. They may use money, but they're not primarily driven by the profit factor. The profit factor is just an effective measurement of cost for the guilds at work.

[soft willow]

They’re more of a utilitarian society than a capitalist one is how I have seen it described

[paper bluff]

They don't particularly want money, they want the Resources.

More barter and trade I'd say

[sour sequoia]

Mercantilism ruled by r/wallstreetbets

[thin ibex]

They use some kind of medium of exchange, likely many kinds rather than one. You could call that money probably

But it's probably more like guild or company scrip

I do think the leagues do actually come into conflict with one another from time to time, they're extremely stubborn and quick to action for perceived insult or contractual violation

[muted elm]

(hence why votaan on votaan games exist)

[rare turtle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1371908016819142696/1477707277900185793/image.png?ex=69a5bda5&is=69a46c25&hm=3a8f4a37960f89967b22aa3ed053a0fa9746fbd1ceffcd2b87f0eeabf1610174& need help deciding marking for the helmet on my tactical (SM2 for reference) I was thinking blue or red

[broken dew]

i'd say blue

[tranquil ivy]

the blue works nicely with the rest of the armor

[rare turtle]

yay my thought the assault have white and fire support black

[tranquil ivy]

Also quick question for y'all

do we fw this jump pack

[pine matrix]

Hell yeah

Best jump pack types

[floral herald]

yeah

[rare turtle]

is for those goobers

[tranquil ivy]

white could work for the headpiece then

a white stripe in the middle

[rare turtle]

whit is for assault not tactical

[pine matrix]

Started building my Lords of the Malestorm guys, using some of my other space marines kits, picked up a blood angel upgrade set so these guys are blood angel deserters now!

[rare turtle]

if i am to keep the BA tendacies to have the role on the helmet

I could do a fleash tearer and have the role marking under the compagny one

[broken dew]

Atlantian Spears right

[rare turtle]

legally distinct Atlantean spears

[broken dew]

fair enough

[rare turtle]

but more or less yay

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1371866163650363535/1477687686096752782/20260301_162250.jpg?ex=69a5ab66&is=69a459e6&hm=386a0c7f791344292b6b54821acfa07d72027930738998f92d069f6c7eca0519&=&format=webp&width=720&height=960 also worked on my death guard lord

[broken dew]

nice

[rare turtle]

the green is too mat for my liking so i'll use some coelia green shad

probably

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1371866163650363535/1477687993597694022/rn_image_picker_lib_temp_878efe4f-bb60-4e72-b194-83201367a00e.jpg?ex=69a5abaf&is=69a45a2f&hm=265e70b20aab8377dee296f2c77acb0c4f78573888acc30c8f0b1ebcdbe7202e&=&format=webp&width=1280&height=960 like I did for those

it make the armor supper grimmy

[broken dew]

yeah those look great

[rare turtle]

(they dusty tho lol)

[little bay]

yes

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/KJl9M/a6482b3710.jpg

Couldn't find a proper chem-cannon so fuck it, making my own.

[sour sequoia]

Killteam players I need advice

Basing my killteams

Because of this game’s fuckass LOS rules is a tactical rock bad taste

[rocky shale]

I think being taller would almost always be bad unless it's like on a model with a silent weapon

[pale narwhal]

Being taller is almost always modeling for disadvantage

Unless you’re like. Ratlings where it can be an advantage (lets you see over ramparts on volkus)

[humble plover]

Ratlings and Votann

But otherwise it should be fine as long as you're not being excessive with it

Though also be careful not to make em too tall, or some of em won't be able to fit under the vantages on volkus

[sour sequoia]

How much wiggle room does a bitch got with a Geomancer

Thats probably the only one in danger.

My other KTs are Raveners, Mandrakes, Brood Brothers

[humble plover]

Oh geomancer is already too tall to fit under vantages, go wild lol

[sour sequoia]

o7

[humble plover]

The ravs are weird for this. They're really tall as well, but a lot of them come with their own tactical rocks already. The prime is also too tall by default, and the felltalon just barely fits, but you should have a little bit of room to play around with the others

The only other really tall model you have to worry about is the BB patriarch, but like half the model is tactical rock lol

[sour sequoia]

Yeah the raveners and patriarch I’m probably not rebasing to elevate since they pack hella basing already

Patty’s already done anyways lmao

[humble plover]

Ok then yeah the only model you would have to worry about being too tall is the Geomancer, which is already the tallest model in KT rn (pre murderwing at least, idk how those stack up), so you don't really have anything to worry about

Niiiice

[sour sequoia]

Was trying to keep stuff in mind with the dumbass “LOS for real but always from a model’s head”

[humble plover]

Yeah that's fair, but I've personally never encountered anyone complaining about that at least, outside of the tacit acknowledgement that you probably should do that for the shorties

[tranquil ivy]

did some cutting to swap out this guy's chestplate

thoughts?

[broken dew]

looks great

[thin ibex]

Are pretty much any of the kill teams fair game for learning/ starting?

I own the pathfinders and farstalkers, have an interest in votann

[pale narwhal]

some will have higher learning curves than others

elite teams tend to require better play as they have less operatives to lose to mistakes, 10-man teams are probably best to learn on (the more standard ones anyway)

kroot and the votann teams are pretty solid, pathfinders are declassified now (which isn't an issue for casual play but does mean they're fairly weak in comparison)

[thin ibex]

Does declassified mean also no rules updates?

A shame I never got to actually run the pf

[pale narwhal]

Usually yeah, no updates at all (some have? But very minor ones, no balance stuff)

[thin ibex]

Does that go on rotation or something?

[tranquil ivy]

the blade (hobby knife) claims another victim (my thumb) for this

well you know what they say

Khorne cares not for where the blood flows

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/KJlpv/914d5b0f91.jpg

Devil Dog melta cannon done too.

Getting a better hang of tinkercad.

[soft willow]

You seem to be getting along pretty well with it judging by what you’re posting so far.

[broken dew]

tinkercad is so goated

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, it's pretty easy to work with. Some people sculpt stuff entirely in it. I dunno when/if I'll get to something like fusion or even dig deeper into openSCAD.

But, so far, working out for me well enough.

[broken dew]

it's really nice to have for me since i usually just modify stuff

[pastel rampart]

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/acid-cannon-fusion-cannon-for-grimdark-future Went and published it for anyone to use.

[broken dew]

nice

[charred bridge]

I can attest for fusion 360, once you learn using parameters in constraints it makes sweeping changes much easier

Which is very good for just reusing old models by just editing it without needing to recreate it

[humble plover]

I know I'm late on this, but basically:

• Each team will have full rules support for 2 editions, but only be allowed in GW affiliated competitive events for the first four years of its life cycle.
• After those first 4 years they will be Declassified for the rest of the current edition. This only means that they can't be used in GW events and any third party events that use the classified ruleset. You can still play them in any other context, and afaik very few third party events have disallowed declassified teams.
• Declassified teams will still get balance updates for the remainder of their edition. There was a lot of talk about them getting less attention when this was all announced, but we're two major balance dataslates into the first rotation, and this hasn't really been the case, with lots of declassified teams getting major rules updates
• When a new edition comes out, any teams that would have been two editions old will not get any rules for that edition and onward. You can still play your declassified teams until then.

as for your other question, there are definitely teams that are better or worse to learn the game with than others, but I don't think it'll make that much of a difference personally, esp if you already have models you can use from your 40k collection

[strong owl]

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IT WALKS

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i have done the impossible

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/witchcraft-hunchback-of-notre-dame-frollo-animated-gif-19403567

[jaunty dawn]

It can walk it can walk
It can siiiiiing

[mental birch]

Mechanicum weirdos please help, need to figure out a kitbash for the Thanathar because of combo boxes need to convert one into a sollex

[thin ibex]

Yall think a T5, 4W, 3+4++ vehicle would benefit most from:
A. +1 T
B. +2W
C. -1 AP to 1 damage attacks
D. -1 to wound when hit by attacks stronger than its T
E. 6+++

Specifically talking about a sunforge team

[wide veldt]

Man crisis suits being vehicles are so fucking funny

Idk why

[mental birch]

C

@thin ibex

Mostly for the role it fills

C makes sure bolter chipping doesnt work

and serious firepower is going into it instrad of downrange

[rocky shale]

C or D

C for the above reason but 3+/4++ does mean anything more than 1AP is wasted unless you have cover anyways

D because T5 is pretty low so taking meltas and such from wounds on 3s to 4s is pretty good when you already have a 4++

[hardy harness]

Stupid question, can Psykers use force weapons as foci in the same way they can use force staves as foci?

[thin ibex]

I don't see why not

[pine matrix]

Big Steppa

[charred bridge]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/orks/s/3tbE0G5QfF

You can have more ultramarines by dropping ultramarines in other factions

[pine matrix]

Prymareiz Ork Lewtenant

[broken dew]

created by Great Mek Dok Krawl for Prime-Ork Guile-ly Manslaya

[desert jay]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/jgwkothg/eye-of-terror-the-reign-of-iron-begins/

[jaunty dawn]

I like how they don't even attempt to justify why space marines need an equal attention detachment in this one

I'll be really sad if there isn't some kinda support for knightmech in some way :(

[thin ibex]

the marine players will get ornery if they dont get something with every release

[jaunty dawn]

I wonder how destrier will be soupable. 2 of?

armigers aren't squads anymore right so you just get to take 3

it would be kinda cool if you could take 1 destrier and 1 armiger too

something like that

[wide veldt]

GW don’t even justify space marine detachments anymore they just look at you like this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088641551355359335/1477546201157996718/p-changecolor.gif

[vital barn]

I'm just hoping Agripinaa stays around because it is one of exactly three forge worlds that has ever thrown hands and not instantly exploded

Agripinaa, Ryza and Metallica

[wide veldt]

I want there to be a forge world that gets invaded and then like

It’s revealed they make anti-orbital cannons

And the invading force just instantly regrets their choices

[vital barn]

Forge Worlds are meant to be pretty 'ard in general, given how they're talked about in places like the Night Lords trilogy and Harrowmaster, but that's always followed by "and then the Chaos Space Marines invaded the forge world the end"

[wide veldt]

I like that the one in Rogue Trader has to be like

Inflitrated and taken down from the inside

By chaos

Oh wait that makes 4 actually!

Euphrates 2

[jaunty dawn]

I'd be very surprised to see a subfaction tm forge world go anywhere

[wide veldt]

In rogue trader Euphrates 2 holds off a like

Full scale word bearer invasion

For a decent length of time

and never fully falls

Does that count

[vital barn]

eh good enough

admech almost never goes on the offensive so it's the closest they can actually get to a win

[quaint compass]

Forge Worlds are just craftworlds for imperials

[vital barn]

a lot fewer craftworlds have just randomly exploded, mostly because there are less of them mentioned

but yeah, Eldar and Admech are side by side in the "frequently worfed" tier

[quaint compass]

Also how there's always just few enough for them to be a real loss, but enough that you can just keep blowing them up

[mental birch]

There already is

Its not great

[vital barn]

yeah, like the Avatar of Khaine all the Admech's big toys are totally replaceable in that there will always be another imperator titan if necessary

[vital barn]

so they only ever show up to die

[mental birch]

Also an admech toy

[vital barn]

whereas every second Space Marine is named so they can't bite it

[jaunty dawn]

I meant good supportttt

probably from the admech side this time

[broken dew]

thank the gods we have 1 million spare Kaela Mensha Khaine's stocked up in case of emergency

[vital barn]

yeah they're like disposable gloves, just throw 'em out and get a new one from the Exarch flatpack storage

[thin ibex]

its a bit funny because the whole point, narratively, is that they show up to die to show how scary what killed them is; but because they dont get wins, they're not that scary

[broken dew]

yeah

it's Worf

Worf is big strong guy, beat him to show you are big and strong

unfortunately he never wins ever so it just makes him and whoever beat him look pathetic

[thin ibex]

like its easy to forget that an aeldari guardian is equal to humanity's elite, cause not just the avatar gets worf'd, their basic infantry does too

[broken dew]

Avatar of Khaine in theory is an insane fucking threat to be dealing with

in practice approximately anyone with a weapon beats one

[thin ibex]

yeah, lore wise, effectively if an avatar of khaine is there, you've all but lost

but thats not how it games out

[broken dew]

if one of them showed up in one of those fucking 40k kids novels and whichever small gang of children beat it to death with sticks and stones i would only be mildly surprised

[thin ibex]

honestly in crusade one of the more annoying things is that the phoenix lords and the avatar cannot gain xp

so if you're going hard into aspects, its autarchs or bust if you want leaders

[broken dew]

huh

[mental birch]

If an AOK is there you sigh and kill everything else

[quaint compass]

My endless scorn for named characters will not allow me to empathize

[broken dew]

how will i field my scrunglies if it's all named characters

[quaint compass]

I ain't talking about Your Dudes, I'm talking about GW's

I ain't here for Marneus Guilleman

I'm here for Klag Skuggus the Reaperite of the Slug Blasters

[broken dew]

that's what i meant

[quaint compass]

Oh thank god

[vital barn]

I am looking forward to the second Admech character being the exact type I wanted

[broken dew]

how will i field my scrunglies if it's all Marneus Calgar, Roboute Guilliman and fucking Titus

[quaint compass]

Fucking Titus, eh?

[vital barn]

some big combat monster who doesn't give a fuck about innovation and just want to disintegrate fucking everyone

[broken dew]

i mean tbh i'd still be running proxies for some of them

[jaunty dawn]

Phoenix lords are named characters but the avatar of khaine is not

Any more than like

Idk a monolith

Build your own avatar in previous build your own ctan style would be kinda cool honestly

Like to show the differing interpretations of khaine for each craftworld

But thats unlikely

[pine matrix]

That'd be pretty sick

[jaunty dawn]

There are quite a lot of options in the kit tbf just not mechanical ones

[junior robin]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/871suqbd/blood-hags-lead-the-charge-in-new-daughters-of-khaine-battletome/ there must be something wrong with my brain when "these would make cool SoB " was my first thought when I saw them.

[thin ibex]

i always wanted canonical spear wielding avatar

[broken dew]

Avatar of Khaine with a gun

[thin ibex]

as like a historical callback to the spear being kind of a better representation of war than a sword

[main pagoda]

daughters of khaine with armour? thats new

[broken dew]

using a melta gun as a blunt force weapon or something

[pine matrix]

I was immediately like "oh sick new wyches" lol

[pine matrix]

Avatar with a bow seems obvious too

[wide veldt]

Avatar with big shuriken

[jaunty dawn]

The current avatar kit does have a spear

[jaunty dawn]

I love these omgggg

Oh and they havent just been painted with a bodytight they actually have one (with gaps)

Its unlikely Ill ever work on my dok again any time soon but Id be into adding a squad of these haha

[pine matrix]

I got my Malestorm books today, not yet read through the bumper book or lore but the Crusade rules are quite neat. Units (other than walkers, vehicles and units with 0C) can pick up objective markers and literally run off the board with them

Plus two missions for three players and four players respectively

[hardy harness]

...ugh, I think I joined a chud 40k server

Some RP server that allows t'au, which I've been looking for for ages, but apparently some big important fleet of space marines was the, and I shit thee not, 1,488th fleet

[broken dew]

https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk-2077-johnny-silverhand-keanu-reeves-gif-8037993240846987430

that is, to put it bluntly, no bueno

[junior robin]

speaking of tau

got a brilliant idea I would do if I had enough spare models, but imagine like, Tau gorkamorka

(basically tau vs tau gang skirmish combat)

[hardy harness]

Extremely

Which is a shame because I really would like to play a t'au auxillary at some point but 80% of all 40k games are just Imperium ones

[floral herald]

Ah yep the reddest of flags

Especially in a setting which doesn’t number fleets

[hardy harness]

God fucking damn it

I just want to play some goddamn t'au

[pulsar cairn]

is that a Nazi reference they were making?

[main pagoda]

yes

[pulsar cairn]

right

yuck

[main pagoda]

or well anti semitic

[pulsar cairn]

could well be both too

[main pagoda]

most likely

[desert jay]

1488 is explicitly a Neonazi thing and implicitly antisemitic

[junior robin]

first drawback on my tau vs tau idea: not a lot of special weapons for infantry

[jaunty dawn]

Yuup

[thin ibex]

tau vs tau?

hmm

you could make some stuff up

since you're kind of imagining tau gangs

[hardy harness]

I'm like 98% sure they weren't legit Nazis, just 4chan addicted shitlords, but that doesn't make it any better tbh

[thin ibex]

You got pulse pistols, pulse rifles, pulse carbines, pulse blasters, ion rifles, rail rifles, kroot rifles, kroot carbines, tridart bow, londaxi tribalest, dvorgite skinners, talerissa blades

[hardy harness]

Just bullshit something up, yeah

Especially if this is Mainline T'au vs Farsight like I think it is

[thin ibex]

from that i could imagine ion pistols, maybe nonlethal pulse tools; could have grav pulse weapons

[hardy harness]

Make one side more melee-focused and the other the atypical "we're not idiots, we're just gonna shoot you" focus

[thin ibex]

man portable burst cannon is a thing

[pulsar cairn]

i like kroot

[junior robin]

I imagine the plot would also be stolen from gorkamorka (tau crash on a planet and atempts to escape are halted due to infighting)

[pastel rampart]

Nazis and 4chan addicted shitlords venn diagram is a complete circle at this point.

[hardy harness]

Mmm, true

[thin ibex]

theres also things like flechette weapons

smart missile launchers could be man portable

[hardy harness]

...man I just wanna play my funny little old psyker lady from Atoma Prime who defected to the T'au, why must it be so difficult to find a game for such a lass

[rocky shale]

Most 40k rpgs don't really support tau stuff well

[junior robin]

another drawback is a lack of smaller vehicles (like the ork truks/buggies) but I guess Auxiliaries could fill that 🤔

now to figure out 3rd ed vehicles rules for the ghostkeel.

[thin ibex]

you got pirahnas, tetras, hover drones, devilfish...

i dont think they have any listed like 4 man skimmers

[junior robin]

pirahnas feels like they are the right size, think GSC/necromunda could work best for human civilian recruited for the greater good.

[rose hill]

honestly its almost explicitly antisemitic as well as anti-anything-not-narrowly-defined-as-white, since it references the 14 words

[spice flicker]

What are some things you're hoping for with 11th edition?

[pine matrix]

Alternating activations

[soft willow]

Noise Dreadnaught.

[soft willow]

Unlikely, especially since this is probably not a full index big changes sort of edition.

[upper bluff]

I've already gotten heavy weapons skitarii and a second epic hero for Admech so all I want is magic like in AoS 4th so every psychic army can do more than just be given a gun with an entirely negative keyword

[thin ibex]

alternating activations soudns cool

im hoping for a new tau aux species that gets a kill team

that then can be used in 40k

[upper bluff]

That would be great

[thin ibex]

also votann MBT or walker would be cool

also long shot, but votann flier

[spice flicker]

I know me and some friends have debated on whether wargear costs should return with us being about split.

[thin ibex]

im not hoping for it, but i wouldn't be mad if they they introduced it in a measured way

i dont really pine for the past in terms of how it was handled

[atomic apex]

at minimum they kinda need to redesign wargear around not having costs if it stays without

[viral crest]

Yeah

I don't mind if they keep free wargear, but they need to actually design around it

[atomic apex]

since rn there is just a bunch of "would you rather have 1$ or 2$" situations for various models

[thin ibex]

id muuuuch rather have internally balanced wargear with equal value placed on each option, i.e. a compelling reason to take a chainsword over a power sword or a power fist

[viral crest]

There's so many wargear choices that are "do you want 1 dollar or 2 dollar?"

Or, even more painful

[atomic apex]

agreed yes

[thin ibex]

or a compelling reason to take a laspistol over a plasma pistol lol

[viral crest]

"Do you want two guns, or one"

so many "you can take this extra wrapon for no cost, in addition to your other weapons"

[thin ibex]

not exactly this, but like "plasma punches up better, and deals with armor, laspistol has more shots and can fish for a weapon tag/hurt unarmored targets better" that kind of thing

[spice flicker]

Personally I was in the camp that I am happy with free wargear making list building easier to budget but do agree something needs to change to better balance things.

[viral crest]

Right now it just kinda feels like the worst of both worlds?

Full of options that were the discount choice, but now they're presented on the same level as the expensive good stuff so it feels like there's just... a bunch of trap choices now?

[thin ibex]

i wouldnt say worst of both worlds

but there is absolutely room for improvement

[viral crest]

Yeah

[spice flicker]

As a knights player free wargear has been great but I can see why some people were angry that they got free wargear in the first place.

[viral crest]

Basically:

I'm not angry about free wargear, I kind of don't care

I'm angry they implemented it badly

Design your game good!!

[thin ibex]

to be honest, i guess im just a little less impassioned about it, but i think its broadly actually implemented mostly ok. There are just oversights/places it falls through, but overall not only does it work, its part of the most accessible version of the game thre's ever been

[jaunty dawn]

There is very few units it doesnt work in the grand scheme of things

But they stand out as a result, yeah

[spice flicker]

Free wargear made things simpler and more efficient when it came to list building which is something I liked and why I support it staying free in 11th.

[atomic apex]

it's fine if it's free
They just need to better balance the options against each other in a lot of cases
and there's a bunch of "you can take this extra thing, for no cost or downside" that should just be made baseline if they're free

[spice flicker]

Besides keeping wargear free, I hope they change something for fliers to make it be a decent choice to consider bringing again. Would love to see a heldrake in battle more or even thr guard valkyries for example.

[jaunty dawn]

Balance being dodgy isnt a new thing is the main thing

[soft willow]

Wouldn't be Warhammer then. 😂

[thin ibex]

Fliers are always a mixed bag, hard to balance i imagine

They frequently became meta defining

[jaunty dawn]

In tension with like

Feeling like fliers

[thin ibex]

It's that you have to give them power because they lack control too

[jaunty dawn]

I mean even the Fly keyword nerf in 10e is upsetting for a lot of people

[thin ibex]

And it's so easy for them to be too powerful

[soft willow]

It’s honestly just the wrong scale for them.

[jaunty dawn]

Also modern 10e is all cityfight all the time

[soft willow]

They work better in larger battles or epic.

[humble plover]

I'm very new to bighammer, so take this all with a sizable helping of salt, but I've sort of seen the $1 dollar or $2 dollar wargear situation as more a way to accommodate every possible, "worse" way you could build a model with its kit, rather than trying to present multiple compelling "balanced" options

if that makes sense

(don't hesitate to tell me if I'm totally off base tho, I only started collecting models for not kill team like, last month)

[sour sequoia]

Having played thru 6th ed I hope they hire mercenaries to hunt down every remaining flyer and burn em

[pastel rampart]

For a very long time a lot of options were the result of GW releasing a kit that had said options, and then the next edition going "well we had Space Lord Dorkus Maximus with a lightning claw so we got to have that as a wargear option" because at no point did GW want to invalidate a model they could make money off of.

Which is why fuckin' Khorne Berserkers could take bolters despite no one ever taking that because they had old models who could take them.

[jaunty dawn]

Stuff like leman russ sponsons being optional is that case

Tho honestly they should make a rule for no sponson russ imo

Faster or something

[hardy harness]

Thought that occurs to me, is it possible that Darktide's Psykers have access to Nemesis force swords

Given force greatswords aren't a thing in the setting and the only supersized force swords I can think of are the Nemesis ones

[jaunty dawn]

I think thats just depiction bias

[quaint compass]

Ye

Most of the stuff in the setting aren't depicted in the tabletop

[jaunty dawn]

Theres a force zweihander in eisenhorn

From space Wales? I just found about this lmao

[hardy harness]

Ah, I see

...I wish the force greatsword had a montante skin

Admittedly, it's closer to a big longsword than a true greatsword, but still

[mental birch]

Call it the Mont'T'au

[wide veldt]

making a petitent host army lead by celestine for thematic reasons

[thin ibex]

same way they do for dreads getting more attacks when they go 2 fists

more speed or more armor would make sense

[rocky shale]

Celestine is just kinda good in pretty much any sisters list

She's a very annoying deep strike problem

[rocky shale]

It's 40k, stuff can look like basically anything

[jaunty dawn]

Has stern been any good this ed

I really liked her in 9e

[sour sequoia]

God Damn I Love Atalan Jackals

[jaunty dawn]

Hell yeah!!!!

[mental birch]

I have a very silly homebrew rule idea

Garrison builings units inside have -1 to be hit and cover save

[thin ibex]

oh my god this tau nar is huge

[atomic apex]

it is titanic 😛

[hardy harness]

Ah, I know, I meant Darktide's force greatsword, sorry

[rocky shale]

Garrison buildings?

[mental birch]

Me thinking about homebrewing buildings that act as well

buildings

lol

[rocky shale]

I mean the buildings already do give cover

[mental birch]

I mean I sat down and wrote silly homebrew
Structure
A structure is a unit with a set footprint that blocks line of sight and a slightly modified statline. The player with a unit garrisoning the structure is considered to be controlling it for all purposes.
Toughness
Wounds
Save
Invuln

Garrison
All structures have the Garrison ability, this allows units to enter and garrison the building. While inside, any unit capable of drawing line of sight to the Structure is able to shoot a unit within the structure at a -1 to hit penalty. All Units that are garrisoning within the structure have the Benefit of Cover.

Entering The Structure
A unit that ends its movement within 3” of a structure entrance with sufficient Capacity to accommodate it, may choose to Garrison the structure occupying the Capacity stated on the Structure’s Datasheet.

Exiting the Structure
A unit that starts its turn occupying the structure may choose to ends its movement by taking a Decamp move action.

Decamp
This unit may be set up within 3” of the entrance of the structure, this unit may be set up within combat range.

As long as there is sufficient Capacity, any number of units controlled by any number of opposing players may enter a structure, if units from opposing players are within a structure they are considered to be in combat with each other and for all purposes, the player whose turn it is is considered to be controlling the structure.

Firing Ports
Some structures have the Firing Ports (X) rule, When Garrisioning a structure without any opposing units within it, the structure may shoot X weapons held by the unit garrisoning it.

The Wall
Units in combat with a structure including the structure itself may be targeted for shooting as if it were not in combat.

VP for garrisoning a structure, loosing VP for destroying it

hmmm

[rocky shale]

The way that firing ports rule works does mean that most stratagens and unit rules won't function

Since it's the structure that is firing, same deal as firing deck

[mental birch]

eyuup

that's the point

🙂

I'mma lift the emergency disembark rule for destruction

[rocky shale]

So the only advantage of garrisoning a structure over just standing in a building is getting stealth?

[mental birch]

the second advantage is remove objective markers

you score VP from standing in structures

Kights go die 😛

Knights

[jaunty dawn]

Also dont think you have the option per se

[mental birch]

that's mission design

[rocky shale]

One time I hid a knight abominant from angron by just standing in a ruin such that there was no way to get into engagement range with such a big base

[jaunty dawn]

Unless you can stand on the roof ig

[mental birch]

well I mean Garrisoning structures

derp

[rocky shale]

And any lists with a lot of mounted or beasts or monsters or vehicles

[mental birch]

hence the Knights go die comment

[mental birch]

Me: Take infantry

I'm also speaking to my crisis suit loving butt

[jaunty dawn]

But then back with the big bunker fortifications the roof was just a capacity space too

[rocky shale]

Funny enough this is also pretty brutal for anyone who needs LoS blocking to be able to hold objectives

Armies that are bad at primary get worse with this

Stealth isn't enough protection when oath of moment exists

[mental birch]

ahh 🙁

[mental birch]

other thought I had is half of all hits hit the structure

but then the inherent toughness takes over

so hmmm

[rocky shale]

Most comp maps are set up such that there's ways to hold some points with a few models from inside blocking structures so that you only have to stick your neck out if someone contests them

[mental birch]

cannot target is a bit too melee centric

ahh

[mental birch]

trying to find a way to make non L ruins

take up more of the map

[rocky shale]

You can replace L ruins with other stuff as long as you have sufficient Los blocking stuff

It just so happens that the default Los blocking terrain is ruins, and most gw ruins are U or L shaped

[wide veldt]

https://www.newrecruit.eu/app/list/fEaPL

uwaaaah

[rocky shale]

Only 10 repentia in the repentia detachment?

Criminal

[wide veldt]

i like the flagellants and the mecha more

[rocky shale]

Fair

[mental birch]

L and U ruins also are there because of the measure objective through wall block LOS

[rocky shale]

The eviscerators are awesome into 2W bodies but arcos mulch chaff

[wide veldt]

which is why i have so many!

[rocky shale]

What?

AP0 will just bounce off of 3+ saves though it'll be painful there

[mental birch]

I mean the staging stuff of like standing just behind a wall so that

you are tagging an objective out of LOS

and that kinda requires L ruin walls

[rocky shale]

Yeah you still want something ruiny

You can just change up the shape and footprint still

[upper canopy]

God

I love playing berserkers in Dark Heresy

Effective Weapon Skill of 83

dealing 18 damage with pen 2

[mental birch]

another thought is like, being in a building gives a 4+ in between save or would that would make garrisoning infantry too tough?

because one play pattern I kinda want to make a thing is putting in chaff infantry into someone's objective so that they're just stuck

[rocky shale]

4+ what save?

[mental birch]

and can't shoot unless they want to give up the objective

[mental birch]

half of all hits miss and hit the building instead

[rocky shale]

I mean thats basically already a tactic (jail or high OC stuff)

[mental birch]

after the to hit roll

[rocky shale]

So you mean a 4++?

[mental birch]

and you can't target people inside

just the building

[jaunty dawn]

More like a feel no pain

[mental birch]

oh the builidng has Wounds as well

[jaunty dawn]

Or a pass off which used to exist in a few places and likewise in aos

[mental birch]

yeah is a pass off basically onto the building

[rocky shale]

I think it would make shitty chaff tough but elite infantry basically immovable

Like how do you remove DG termies from a building if half your shots whiff on top of the hit/wound/saves

And if the solution is "shoot the building" then you just effectively added a building's toughness/wounds to your termies

[mental birch]

Honestly it's shoot the building while blocking the door

but that's too gamey probably yeah 🙁

[rocky shale]

Unless the disembark after building destruction is massively more harsh than from a vehicle blowing up (1/6 chance for 1 mortal per model) then the buildings are pretty crazy

Blocking the door is very gamey yeah because you'd need both chaff units to block the door and then heavy hitters to take the building down in the same turn, because your nasty elite guys inside can otherwise probably hop out and kill your chaff

nothing in 40k cares about a door location in 10th

Kill team or boarding actions is more that level of detail

[mental birch]

Unable to set up just die

ah fair yeah RIP

[rocky shale]

Thats how normal vehicle explosion disembark works

Just without the door thing

The trouble with this is its basically giving everyone access to free immobile Trukks or other big shooting deck vehicles, and some factions get those and others dont for good reasons

[mental birch]

fair rip

[rocky shale]

If you have a ton of scouts or infiltrators you probably could cheese this by just garrisoning every objective turn 1 and then just trying to focus down anything that can blow up a building

[wide veldt]

Also man Sisters do not have much in the way of anti armor huh

[thin ibex]

They have miracles to force melta's through

Pretty much nothing they have punches higher than strength 9

Also their nundams can punch vehicles ok

[rocky shale]

the mechs punch vehicles and you can miracle meltas as god intended

[wide veldt]

[rocky shale]

Also stuff like repentia with +1 to wound can chunk vehicles

[jaunty dawn]

But watch out! Dont miracle too many meltas or james will get you

[charred bridge]

Nundams is an amazing term, repentia has been removed from my lexicon

[floral herald]

Nundams are different from repentia they’re the fan name for Paragon Warsuits

[sour sequoia]

The other good one I’ve heard is Morven Vahl and The Morven Dolls

[hardy harness]

What degree of freedom do Rogue Traders have in their dealings and actions

[upper canopy]

Near Infinite unless they're dealing with someone who can kill them

[hardy harness]

...so they can literally just do whatever the fuck they want in most cases and nobody can really do anything about it?

[rocky shale]

Unless the inquisition or anyone else who can just kill them has an issue

They have the piece of paper from the emperor that says just so whatever as long as it marginally benefits humanity

[hardy harness]

Huh

I mean I knew their schtick is "I do what I want" but I figured that was a fan exaggeration

[bright dove]

And, of course, anyone who cares enough with a gun can go "Well stuff your silly piece of paper."

[hardy harness]

Which is why they tend to be armed to the fucking teeth I presume

[bright dove]

But this can be a Bad Idea

[rocky shale]

They tend to be surrounded by a retinue that is

[hardy harness]

That too

[upper canopy]

You are Nobility on par with planetary governors, inquisitors, archmagos, and etcetera

[hardy harness]

Lots of guns and lots of very strong bodyguards

[upper canopy]

at that point in Imperial authority it's about strong-arm tactics, favors curried, and corruption

[hardy harness]

Makes sense

I assume there's a handful of things that would nullify that warrant of trade though

[upper canopy]

Only the High Lords can

Also just clandestinely blowing your ship up

[hardy harness]

True

[upper canopy]

Also anyone saying you're a Heretic

and enough people believe that

[bright dove]

Don't do anything that gets an assassin sicced on you, yeah

[hardy harness]

Sorry, trying to learn more about the Rogue Traders, plan on making a character whose a Rogue Trader that's also secretly working with the T'au and I'm trying to get a feel for how secret that needs to be kept

[upper canopy]

Read the Rogue Trader RPG tbh

[bright dove]

So that is actually reasonably safe for a Rogue Trader actually

[runic swallow]

Yeah trading with aliens is part of their whole deal

[hardy harness]

Don't got me a copy or the money for a copy unfortunately

[bright dove]

The biggest problem being the Mechanixus

[hardy harness]

Ah, so it'd really just be like

"Oh no no no no no, I'm not allied with the T'au, perish the thought! They're just some of my best business partners, that's all! Lots of money to be made in T'au tech! Do you know how many people want their own battlesuit? Hot market for em!"

[bright dove]

Beats having worlds trying to trade directly themselves and being exposed to the Greater Good

[upper canopy]

Rogue Traders often engage in state sanctioned piracy

[hardy harness]

True

[rocky shale]

notably anyone they sold to could still be punished for heresy

[stark cypress]

Yeah

like a Rogue trader isn't above getting a visit from the Inquisition.

It's sorta a bit harder because they have a giant "Oh yeah, this is the writ of trade from the Emperor." scroll

[charred bridge]

"I'm just very good at plundering a ton of Tau goods in pristine conditions with great consistency don't worry about it"

[stark cypress]

"...I'm watching you."

"And I appreciate your service to safeguarding His Divine Imperial Majesty's realm! Tea?"

"Hmmmm. I am leaving."

[humble plover]

I mean trading with xenos is the big thing that Rogue Traders are not only explicitly allowed to do, but kinda supposed to do

An inquisitor checking up on a Rogue Trader for Rogue Trading with Tau is a very lost inquisitor

[stark cypress]

Yes

In order to understand the Emperor's enemies you must trade with them.

Except for heretics.

They bring nothing but blood, violence, and more blood.

Or disease wrapped up in a funny present filled with bees.

[hardy harness]

As funny as HAGGIS and OVEN-MADE BRUSSEL SPROUTS and AFRICANIZED KILLER BEES

[pine matrix]

Cool art and accompanying lore in the new maelstrom book

[pine matrix]

Also interesting, from the last page! Interesting the Ordo Astartes is getting some play

[pastel rampart]

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/plasma-and-flamer-sponsons Did some more kitbashing, this time for that LR proxy I printed.

[thin ibex]

oh, slim, do you happen to know of or have a baneblade's lascannon turret sponson file? My dad did a shadowsword a while back and one of hte turret's lascannon barrels snapped in storage

we figure either we try and modify it to look like it was cut or find a replacement

[pastel rampart]

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/broadsword-superheavy-tank This might fit?

[thin ibex]

oh those might work perfectly

[pastel rampart]

It's one of those designs I plan on printing eventually but I also have a Macharius I want to print first.

Gimme those chunky vulcan cannons so I can go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[mental birch]

mecha
T’au Empire
Retaliation Cadre
1995 points

• Commander Farsight 85
• Commander in Coldstar Battlesuit [2x BC, 1x CIB, 2x GD, 1x HOBC] 95
• Commander in Coldstar Battlesuit [1x CIB, 2x FB, 2x GD, 1x HOBC] 95
• Commander in Enforcer Battlesuit [Warlord] [Starflare Ignition System] [1x CIB, 2x GD, 3x PR] 100
• Commander in Enforcer Battlesuit [1x MD, 4x MP, 1x SD] 80
• Crisis Fireknife Battlesuits [6x Plasma, 2x GD, 1x MD, 3x SD] 120
• Crisis Fireknife Battlesuits [6x Missile pod, 2x GD, 1x MD, 3x SD] 120
• Crisis Starscythe Battlesuits [3] [6x Flamer, 2x GD, 1x MD, 3x SD] 110
• Crisis Starscythe Battlesuits [3] [6x Burst, 2x GD, 1x MD, 3x SD] 110
• Crisis Sunforge Battlesuits [3] [2x GD, 1x MD, 3x SD] 140
• Crisis Sunforge Battlesuits [3] [2x GD, 1x MD, 3x SD] 140
• Pathfinder Team [1x Grav Drone, 2x GD, 3x Ion Rifle] 90
• Pathfinder Team [2x GD, 1x Recon Drone, 3x Ion Rifle] 90
• Riptide Battlesuit [1x Ion, 2x Missile Drone, 1x Plasma] 200
• Riptide Battlesuit [1x Ion, 2x Missile Drone, 1x Plasma] 200
• Stealth Battlesuits [5] [1x GD, 1x MD] 110
• Stealth Battlesuits [5] [1x GD, 1x MD] 110

What do folks think about this nonsense?

[thin ibex]

who'd FS joining, the sunforges or the starscythes?

[broken dew]

FS?

[floral herald]

FarSight

[broken dew]

ahhhh

[mental birch]

Depends on whos the provlem

[thin ibex]

i think the list is pretty killy, pretty aggressive, maybe lacks some OC, probably feels different going first or second

but its fun

dont need a lot of OC if the other guy is dead

[mental birch]

It does really well into tricky armies

Lol

[mental birch]

Does very little going first beyond taking free potshots

[junior robin]

finally, the emperors lights primaris lieutenant

[thin ibex]

thats kinda whati figured, less active first turn

[sour sequoia]

Thallax is some good lookin lads. How are the arm/gun connections? I keep thinking of using some as ravener conversions for GSC

Would it be hard to replace with like mining tool saw hands?

[mental birch]

Arm gun is slotted as 3 pieces 2 arms and the gun

Like you might be better off messing eith the gun

[junior robin]

they do have balljoints on either end you can modify for more poseability but I think the mining tools are a bit short to make them look good 2-handed on them 🤔

[sour sequoia]

Oh yeah no the plan is a mining tool on each arm

[vital barn]

Ursarax are all melee freaks but they look slightly less good

[sour sequoia]

That shit twin-linked

[vital barn]

if the plastic boys are anything like the resin boys they're very posable, and I think they do have a ton of parts

I've seen entire lineups of dancing thallax

[hollow laurel]

Anyone played stealth suits in Kill Team? How are they? I'm super tempted to grab some because yknow. Tiny mechs.

Oh my god my dusk wing should've been a stealth suit this whole time.

[pale narwhal]

"outer dark" sounds like carcharodons

[pine matrix]

Dang, hadnt thought of that...Badab War 2??

[pale narwhal]

unfortunately the inquisitor's name doesn't match up to any known ones but there's something there, about hunting in the outer dark and someone who's intimately familiar with the Badab war...

idk it seems to fit, we'll see next edition if they do anything with it at all

[pine matrix]

It has the potential to be an entertaining clusterfuck, Red Corsairs being attacked by the Warders who then get stabbed in the back by paranoid loyalists

Corsairs Vs Warders Vs Imperium

Who wardens of the Malestorm nowadays?

Ah looks like the Star Phantoms got control over the Badab Sector

[pine matrix]

Man these Corsair sets have got my mind racing, I saw a Sanguinary Priest while at a LFGS and I've been spinning it around in my mind, being like "hmmm, how could I kit bash it into a renegade"

[mental birch]

160

Is GW on something

[cinder wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-lies-liar-bullshit-so-that-was-gif-15334130

nothing screams "must take forgefiends or die"

than whatever balance they did

[thin ibex]

Twin lances are going to be the face of competetive tau for a lil bit

I heard the kit is expensive too

[floral herald]

I’ve played against them but not as them

They’re… weird

They’re highly evasive almost all shooting, they’re hard to shoot

But they mostly get buffed if you push them (they get buffs for shooting people in their territory)

They don’t get double shoots despite a small team size (they have very good guns though)

They seem very technical to play and a little unusual to play against

(Lots of kill teams are weird tbf)

[mental birch]

40 points undercosted

lol

[thin ibex]

Yeah there gonna be everywhere

I hear their kit is expensive irl though

Haven't checked myself

Stealthsuits being 10 cheaper just automatically shaved 20 points off of pretty much every tau list too

[mental birch]

haha

yeah

[jaunty dawn]

Theyre like over £60

About £56 third party

[thin ibex]

It's so weird that third party is cheaper, how is that third party making money

Through bulk purchases?

[jaunty dawn]

Cause gw gives them a pretty big discount wholesale

[thin ibex]

Huh neat

[jaunty dawn]

Cause they dont have to pay for warehousing etc

[thin ibex]

I'm actually tempted to get the twin lances myself, just cause I thought they looked cool

[jaunty dawn]

Theyre super cool

And theyre like two farsights ish

[thin ibex]

But since I don't play irl and don't have display shelf space I think I'll hold off for a bit

[jaunty dawn]

Afaict

Yeah no rush

I might get got by the admech box when it happens but i managed to hold of on the breachers box so I might be okay

[mental birch]

GW sells at roughly 60% of the Msrp To the third parties

So third parties can eat into that margin

[restive obsidian]

Ty!

I went for them >:3

Also I need more magnets rip.

[sour sequoia]

Rogal Dorns eating twice the nerfs as the 65% wr ctan shard lists is Wild

[thin ibex]

What was the change for rogal's

[sour sequoia]

+20pts for both

On the one hand, understandable when every guard list runs 3

On the other hand, that still hasn’t gotten the faction to positive WR and necrons run 5 ctan now for 60+

[thin ibex]

Dang, they're fun centerpieces, but i usually don't like building lists with 3

Just because it feels like "a lot"

They're fun big boi tanks

[rocky shale]

Aeldari wraiths get minor price drop, asurmen +10 for some reason, sure whatever I can wait for 11th

They're probably down to like 3 interns working on 10th

[sour sequoia]

Asurmen found to be a ctan shard

[hardy harness]

How secretive are the Grey Knights

I know their schtick is remaining a covert operation but I'm unsure how far that extends

[upper canopy]

It used to be a bit more

but I imagine since they showed up to resurrect Robute it's a bit harder to "kill everyone who even knows they exist"

[jaunty dawn]

I actually have no idea about any post great rift grey knight lore

oh for sure for sure one of them was in the trinity of the primarch box or whatever it was called

[hardy harness]

From what I can tell, post-Great Rift it's just "don't let the civvies know what's going on" rather than "kill literally anyone that catches a fleeting glimpse of who you are"

[jaunty dawn]

yeah I imagine the massive increase in warp incursions has kinda killed the instituional practice they built up

and they're just in a century long crisis mode

like everyone else

[upper canopy]

They apparently openly joined the Indomitus Crusade

so now it's just like "Those weird guys"

[hardy harness]

Ah, yeah, definitely just "don't let the civvies know"

[upper canopy]

Well the whole thing with them wasn't the Grey Knights needed to be secret, but Chaos needed to be

so you can't have "the guys who fight specifically chaos" to be known to be a thing

and now that Daemons just Show Up

can't really do that

[hardy harness]

Ah, true

[sour sequoia]

Oh man I think they actually straight up took gravis calgar and old sicarius out back and shot em

They aint even listed in the dataslate’s points document

Finally. Equality. Suck it space marine players lose iconics with zero announcement

[vital barn]

were those the ones everyone took for reactive move + extra victrix or are those the new ones

[jaunty dawn]

that's so weird

like calgar always used to have two models I thought that was the point?????

need someone to tell the 40k devs that they can rework a unit without a new model as an excuse

[sour sequoia]

The new versions of both are abysmal dogshit and the old ones are literally what cracked victrix

[vital barn]

ha

owned

[jaunty dawn]

jfc

[sour sequoia]

Calgar’s only been terminator armor forever

[jaunty dawn]

paywalling a nerf to your model

[sour sequoia]

They updated him to gravis for primaris and space marine 2 reasons

[jaunty dawn]

sometimes I

[broken dew]

crazy work lmao

[sour sequoia]

Except I think gravis has been the weirdest and worst part of primaris like, the whole time

What the fuck is their role

[rocky shale]

I like Gravis armor aesthetically

[jaunty dawn]

to be heavy infantry without the prestige or exact toughness profile as terminators

[rocky shale]

You get toughness and bigger gun I guess

[jaunty dawn]

another go at the centurion concept that everyone hated but now loves cause of the opinion treadmill

[broken dew]

think i honestly mostly just like Gravis as a sort of Terminator sidestep

[sour sequoia]

Honestly I fuckin loathe it artistically but I accept I’m irrelevant on that, but its truly a totally random assortment of units that have Gravis and Gravis Adjacent

[jaunty dawn]

also to make sc2 ripoffs/references/homages (delete as wanted)

the space marine range is not designed for people to love all of it simultaneously

[sour sequoia]

Like are aggressors and inceptors and eradicators actually the same mark of armor

[rocky shale]

I just like the bulky head/neck armor

[sour sequoia]

And at least personally I skew towards “space marines should be knights not ODST guys”

But thats fully personal taste stuff

[rocky shale]

The fact that there's Gravis jump pack units is goofy

[jaunty dawn]

that's why they also make space marine knight models

[broken dew]

i like the gravis jump pack guys the most

[jaunty dawn]

inceptors are great tbh

[pastel rampart]

Yeah there's enough different chapters that "space knight" fits alongside "operators operating."

[jaunty dawn]

probably my favourite design out of the 8e launch box

[broken dew]

this feels the most like a "heavy armor but doing things terminators can't" for me

[jaunty dawn]

at least on the imperium side

[broken dew]

which gives them a fun niche

[jaunty dawn]

also they have cool heavy bolters I love

[sour sequoia]

There’s a point in general to be made about losing the core of the setting when marines get New Cool Tech but thats more pointed abt the tanks and also looooong gone by as an argument worth having

[broken dew]

yeah they are pretty cool

[jaunty dawn]

obv you're allowed to dislike them

[sour sequoia]

Inceptors are the one I can dig since its not literally Terminators, To The Left

I am mostly expressing joy at space marines getting ganked by model retirements like guard/xenos

Oh no they still have like 114 of the best datasheets in the game and we have to… go to the still extant rules for those two characters

[jaunty dawn]

marneus calgar had two profiles in 8e and became primaris obsoleting both in 8e

in 7e it was one profile with a equipment change, sure

[jaunty dawn]

but I am perfectly correct in saying marneus calgar had two profiles, and theoretically two models, up until the point he got primarised

idk how often they actually sold the artificer armour model sure

[pastel rampart]

11th should further obsolete him by axing the primaris model and putting him back on his toilet throne.

[jaunty dawn]

make him use that old golden daemon entry

where he's painting an epic marine

it is kinda funny how like completely gulliman just is calgar 2

and now calgar is just kinda weird and I don't feel like anyone cares about him

he even used to be a lord of war in 7e? they made a lot of things lord of war in that era it was very silly

in general I feel like a significant part of the cast of pre-8e warhammer is kinda just gone in the popular imagination if not always in the game idk

though kinda the opposite happened with necrons. they're much more popular now

[tired cairn]

Calgar did get to show up in Space Marine 2

[junior robin]

how often do you think that the question "wonder whats Rogal dorn is up to right now?" pops up in Roboutes head? 🤔

[jaunty dawn]

Every time he goes through a manifest that mentions the tank and hes like “I really dont remember a tank being named after him or one like it existing during the gc…” at least

How many primarchs were around when gulliman got stasised?

Russ khan dorn maybe

Idk if he knew about vulcan

[tired cairn]

Guilliman led the assault against the Alpha Legion on Eskrador in the aftermath of the Heresy, and due to the vanity of Alpharius, he utilised a surprise attack at the heart of the traitors and killed Alpharius in a duel. However, he and his sons were greatly mistaken in their belief that the snake would die without the head, as indeed, the Alpha Legion's symbol is a hydra, a multi-headed serpent. The Ultramarines were soundly pushed back time and again by the traitor marines, undaunted at the loss of their Primarch. Guilliman eventually pulled his forces back into orbit and bombarded the planet from above

I didn't expect Guilliman to have CK3 brain. But I guess paradox map games would be one of his favorite genres

[junior robin]

Russ vanished almost 100 years after stasis, could not find a date on khan 🤔