Warhammer and Such

[pulsar cairn]

Sangy was the more inspiring of all the primarchs wasnt he?

[broken dew]

yes

Horus was said to be the best of them all but Sanguinius was the most beloved

there's a reason his death broke his chapter

there's also a holiday in the imperium dedicated to him called Sanguinala

[pulsar cairn]

i was gonna say "cute" but its warhammer so it doesnt fit

but hey, at least they remember him

[broken dew]

yeah

the Blood Angels got the black rage as a result which is unfortunate

[pulsar cairn]

and that on top of the red thirst

they get double the amount of gene-seed problems

[broken dew]

mhm

[desert jay]

Sanguinius basically has "best boy" status of the 18

[broken dew]

yeah

[pulsar cairn]

a shame he died

honestly stuff like that is why i take breaks from 40k every now and again everything sucks

[broken dew]

it's sort of the whole thing with him that he was pure excellence and him dying was such an absolute tragedy

[main pagoda]

I think it's also such a key part of his character because he knows exactly how he's going to die but he does everything he can to make a difference up until that point

[pulsar cairn]

oh yeah

he could see the future couldnt he?

[main pagoda]

To an extent, he could see his death not much else aiui

[broken dew]

yeah he didn't have perfect future sight, but he saw his own death

he does everything he possibly can to help right up until his death catches up with him on The Vengeful Spirit

[charred bridge]

Sangy could see some of the best futures, opposite to curze who only saw the worst ones

Also it's funny that he does what he want because he knows he will die at the throne and not beforehand

[broken dew]

it's neat how Curze ruins himself at the altar of his death while Sanguinius uses his to do as much as he can to help

[charred bridge]

They make good foils

Curze only saw the worst of humanity could become, while Sanguinius saw the best of what humanity could become

I have a headcanon for why curze had much more visions than sanguinius. Its become the emp's wasnt wrong and humanity treads a razor thin line to extinction or worse and so there are so much more horrible futures than good ones

[jaunty dawn]

The rupture cannon is kinda like

This overcorrection basically

Not in a bad way

But before the best gun was a venom cannon, and venom cannons had rules to make them really bad against vehicles

Which was a pretty big limit on tyranid shooting other than zoanthropes

And they made a giant tank bug and decided to like give it a railgun

Actually thats wrong the rupture cannon was a lot worse than I remembered when it came out pff

[pine matrix]

I wonder if Curze had landed on Prospero or some other psychic-skilled culture he would have learned to control his visions

[broken dew]

anything would have been better than the absolute shithole he landed in

[charred bridge]

Maybe. A fun idea is he would still get terrible visions but instead of visions about scum and crime he gets visions about psykers and just becomes super murder torture for psykers instead of criminals

[bright dove]

Switch where Curze and Angron land, got it.

[broken dew]

unironically i don't think it could make things worse

[bright dove]

The sad thing is that probably dose make things better

*does

Curze with the Nails suddenly doesn't have to worry about those visions as much!

[broken dew]

angron without the nails probably could be like, fine honestly

[bright dove]

Indeed. Even a shithole like Nostramo is a better time.

[quaint compass]

He'd create the most community center to ever outreach

[broken dew]

he's the empathy powers guy iirc Nostramo couldn't be worse for him than getting the Butchers Nails on Nuceria

[pine matrix]

I was noodling with the idea of a Angron who lands on Ultramar instead and becomes like the Primarch version of Hippocrates, gets his legion and his just like "I don't want this, what the fuck?"

[quaint compass]

Fuck it, World Menders

Gets called the Butcher of Ultramar for his excessively bloody (but safe and efficient) surgeries

[bright dove]

But yeah, Curze still falls of course, because Curze was determined to fall.

And the nails do not help this.

But I think this change keeps Angron loyal.

[quaint compass]

I can see Curze actively doing better (for everyone else) with the Nails

Can't justify himself or his methods, too angry. Becomes more productive by not making examples of petty criminals and just killing his way up the ladder instead

By the time big Employer arrives, Nuceria is too unstable too keep as is, and he wipes out the failing leadership which Nailed all those Butches

[broken dew]

Big Employer...

[pine matrix]

The Red Angel (hes an angel who dresses in red ♥️)

Also fun new way for the World Eaters/War Hounds to be rejected by their Primarch: he still doesn't want to because he's a man of medicine, not warfare

[broken dew]

kinda hype ngl

[jaunty dawn]

Lost primarch angron

[pine matrix]

Glad you like it! I want to maybe write stuff about the primarch's landing worlds getting all reshuffled, but Angron the Healer is my main draw for it

[pine matrix]

Lmao yeah he probably would just get merked by Emps

[jaunty dawn]

Instead of ultramar the 500 are like a special occupation zone and macragge is Gone

[broken dew]

where do we put Guilliman

[jaunty dawn]

I think that would kinda fuck conceptuallly

[pine matrix]

"What's an Ultramar? There's only 499 worlds..."

[broken dew]

if we put Guilliman on Nostramo, Kurze on Nuceria and Angron on Ultramar we might just get Absolute Batman out of Guilliman

[pine matrix]

Or Guilliman becomes Kingpin, running the underworld at 110% efficiency while also able to crush your head with one hand

[broken dew]

also i wonder if Kurze would be able to avoid the butchers nails

or if he might just get them willingly in his despair

depending on what he sees from his future visio. he might not end up like Angron did with the nails

[pine matrix]

I don't think he started out with despair, but Angron got captured initially cause he had to fight off some Eldar immediately and then got grabbed by the high riders, got jumped day one, not sure if Curze could avoid it

[broken dew]

i think Kurze could maybe not dodge the high riders

but he could dodge getting nailed since iirc that doesn't happen immediately

could be remembering wrong but Kurze has the benefit of foresight

[pine matrix]

Also an opportunity to put in an OC replacement, unless you'd stick with 17 (or less) primarchs

[pine matrix]

Sure, in SoN Angron's implanted because he refuses to kill his mentor in the pits, but Curze might not have the same compunction. Or maybe he perceives a future where he is implanted and the doom that'd lead to, so he kills to avoid that fate

[broken dew]

yeah

i think unless Kurze gives in to nihilism on Nuceria as well he has an honest shot at making it out without the nails

[pine matrix]

High rider Curze...

[broken dew]

not sure if Nuceria would be particularly better for Kurze mind you

idk how slavery compares to slumming it in the Nostramo underhive

[pine matrix]

Bad for different reasons

[broken dew]

i'd imagine so

idk if Kurze really makes it out better even if he avoids the nails

need to put him on like

Inwit

let him use his future vision to help his people navigate structural degradation and such

give Kurze The Phalanx

[pine matrix]

Nihilism not based on fear but entertainment and decadence, the masses need to be sated with blood to stay loyal, need endless conquest to keep the Imperium going

When I was thinking about this I did think it'd be cool to have Curze on Prospero, so he actually learns how to control his visions and deal with them, becomes a kind of oracle but for things to avoid

[broken dew]

that was kind of my idea for putting him on Inwit, have him use his future visio. to navigate the treacherous deathworld he lives on

[pine matrix]

Mhm a place where it could be constructive

[broken dew]

also get a stoic guiding hand in the form of Grandpa Dorn

[pine matrix]

Tbf, Curze also got visions of good futures sometimes too he just ignored them

[broken dew]

i feel like Kurze needs someone tough but fair to cultivate his abilities so he doesn't become beholden to them

given how Dorn turned out and with the fact his abilities could be used for good on Inwit, sticking him with the House of Dorn seems like a fair shout

it couldn't possibly be worse than Nostramo

[pine matrix]

Yeah for sure, on Prospero he'd probably end up with the same inflated ego as Magnus, though I do like him still being fucked up but as a weird oracle Cassandra type

[broken dew]

Kassandra if you will 😏

egoist transfem oracle Kassandra of Prospero

but yeah i think we have the same idea, i just Prospero will give Kurze some kind of complex

[pine matrix]

Agreed! I suppose I want him with a complex

[broken dew]

that's fair lmao

put Magnus on Barbarus

it'll give him a complex

i guarantee it

[jaunty dawn]

moses magnus

[pine matrix]

At least he'd (probably) be able to beat down the weird xenos lord Mortarion couldn't with psychic powers

[broken dew]

make him hate psychic shit

actually put Dorn on Prospero

that'd be the funniest possible place for him to be

[broken dew]

exactly

put psychically inert rock boy on the planet of the sorcerers

[pine matrix]

Dorn gets rid of the psykervores by just punching them really hard

[broken dew]

locked in fr

send Alpharius and Omegon to Colchis

they can ragebait Erebus and Kor Phaeron

[pine matrix]

Be interesting, since they wouldn't have the psychic visions of Emps

[broken dew]

mhm

[pine matrix]

According to the Alpharius book, he landed on Earth and was secretly trained by Emps (well, more Malchador and Valdor) so I thought it'd be neat if Lorgar was the one who landed on Earth

Super mega atheist Lorgar

[broken dew]

that would be kinda peak

put Vulkan on Fenris

[pine matrix]

Does Vulkan get wolfy features and Russ stays clean shaven? I've always interpreted it a bit that each Primarch adapts to their homeworld

I know there's a moment where a less wolfy version of Russ is shown but I don't know if he's like, minus fangs

[broken dew]

me too tbh

whoever goes to Nocturne gets black skin like the Salamanders

perturabo so he'll be less of a shitkid

[pine matrix]

Would probably be a good fit for Inwit or Chemos, places in need of his inventions

[broken dew]

true

could maybe put him on Inwit and Kurze on Nocturne

[pine matrix]

I struggle to think where Guilliman or Horus should go. Guilliman because he'd probably be fine everywhere and Horus because he's very much moulded by the Emperor from almost the jump

[broken dew]

maybe put him on Colchis instead of Alpharius Omegon for heresy speedrun

[pine matrix]

Heresy wins cause the warriors lodges are just so much more efficient

[broken dew]

lmao

[pine matrix]

Honestly I'd originally thought of Guilliman getting sent to Chemos or something, turning around the resource shortage with extreme efficiency, but I kinda love him becoming a Kingpin like figure on Nostramo

[broken dew]

crime boss Guilliman goes hard

[charred bridge]

Best smuggler in the galaxy, can do the Kessel run in 12 parsecs

A lot of organized cartels is about logistics and Gulliman is good at that

[pine matrix]

This version of Guilliman would probably go traitor but wouldn't be as efficient cause he'd be skimming off the top and redirecting all the best weapons to his own troops

If he wasn't trying to play both sides to come out on top

[quaint compass]

maybe even a mythical non-chaos renegade?

[pine matrix]

Red Corsairs 10,000 years early

[upper canopy]

Did they blow up Ultramar

[pine matrix]

Nah this'd be a Guill who grew up on Nostramo

Which'd probably still get blown up

[broken dew]

we fr not keeping Nostramo 😭

[paper bluff]

That's basically how he went in the dornian heresy

[thin ibex]

Titus, go claim back my 500 worlds.

Damn Titus you didn't claim my worlds. Back to lieutenant for you

[paper bluff]

plot of space marine 3

[thin ibex]

I do think the trailer somewhat implies that he's been ordered to do it alone, which he hasn't. In the novels its pretty clear that it's an initiative for the UM and many of its successor chapters

[paper bluff]

I do wonder what the lion will finally do in lore

[thin ibex]

And something that was started before Bobby G left for the other side of the maledictum

[broken dew]

Titus gets to pick one other Ultramarine to help him out

[thin ibex]

I still want to see the Lion and Roboute's first meeting in this millennium

[paper bluff]

One bit of lore that I wish was expounded upon is why Cegorach swapped the khan and fulgrim

[broken dew]

ngl i think the only part of DA lore i really care about is The Rock

[broken dew]

would be interesting to know

[paper bluff]

.....is the lion driving the Rock around? I know it can move but isn't it bigger than the phallax

[broken dew]

it's a chunk of Caliban

which is why it's absolutely fucking enormous

[broken dew]

it can move yeah

it has a fucking warp drive

[paper bluff]

It BIG

[broken dew]

genuinely gotta be the scariest shit you can see in a battle when you're fighting the Imperium

[paper bluff]

He has to be driving around the invincible reason

[pine matrix]

That was Cegorach? I thought it was just some fuckery, I dunno maybe Emps interfering last minute

Honestly Fulgrim on Chogoris I do think is cool, he'd be straight into Three Kingdoms level intrigues

[broken dew]

either that or he's rolling up with the whole ass rock

[thin ibex]

Didn't the Rock get effed up and it's core left with vashtorr?

[broken dew]

he invaded it during Arks of Omen iirc

[upper bluff]

yeah apparently the core was the last piece for Vashtorr's weird warp drill machine

[broken dew]

The Rock is probably my favourite 40k ship thing

[upper bluff]

it is pretty neat.

[broken dew]

the coolest fucking shit ever

our planet exploded so we retrofit what was left of it into a fuck off enormous space station that can move

[upper bluff]

Machine Spirit must be crazy

[paper bluff]

My theory is this, fulgrim is a worse servant of slaanesh than the khan would have been

[soft willow]

The Rock is no Phalanx but it's pretty cool.

[paper bluff]

Also considering that the first legion had access to men of iron. Yeah, I believe that.

[little bay]

so this is an imperial space station

specifically the one of the lion

[paper bluff]

I'd call it more of an attack moon than a space station

The phalanx borders attack moon/ space station

[little bay]

good point

[paper bluff]

Cause, if I recall correctly, the phalanx has a small planetoid at its core

[broken dew]

they have a guy they glue into it

master of the rock

Upon ascending to the honoured position, the Master of the Rock follows his predecessors in the office by being permanently and cybernetically hard-wired into the control nave of Cogitators located deep within the asteroid base. It is his solemn duty to placate the most important Machine Spirits, directing the maintenance of the engines and Warp-Drive that allow the enormous asteroid to navigate the galaxy.

they feed techmarines to TheRock every so often

[upper bluff]

Do the dark angels even let mechanicus onto it lol

I know they're kinda secret freaks

[broken dew]

no

though i guess they might for some parts

but like

keep in mind the rock has like 90 million locked doors

and they have even more secret spaces nobody can even go to begin with except the Watchers in the Dark

[jaunty dawn]

Dark angels are og mech haters

Have access to a ton of imperial tech

[broken dew]

think of it like this

[jaunty dawn]

And their own denomination of techmarines to do it

[broken dew]

the Dark Angels don't even fw techmarines

if you're a tech marine you have loyalties that aren't the DA

thus, you get no secret privileges

[jaunty dawn]

An actual martian disciple techmarine is like never inner circle or make master of the rock yeah

[broken dew]

if you're from mars you high-key a second class space marine

Dark Angels have all sorts of fucked up ancient tech in the wings, and ESPECIALLY on The Rock

[jaunty dawn]

Oh wait apparently the masters of the rock are martian so I guess they just dont tell it anything?i dont think that makes sense lmao

[broken dew]

i've even heard people make mention of them having fucking Men of Iron

[broken dew]

yeah they just

don't get to know s hit

they stick em in the computer core like a fresh battery and leave it at that

Because of their dual allegiance to the Chapter and the Adeptus Mechanicus, Techmarines are never inducted into the Deathwing. This includes the Master of the Rock; he is privy only to the secrets of the Dark Angels' asteroid base and its hoard of ancient technology, but never to the greatest secrets shrouding the Chapter's origins.

[jaunty dawn]

We dont trust you but we're mindlinking you to a batallion of men of iron and half a dozen archetotech doomsday devices hf :)

Like sure they dont learn about the fallen thats fine

[broken dew]

i mean this is just straight up tech heresy unless i'm mistaken

[jaunty dawn]

I get thats the big secret

I can kinda dig the irony of like

[broken dew]

so yeah fuckin way no fucking how are the tech adepts of mars getting access to the super secret space base of secrecy

[jaunty dawn]

Well now they know but theyre stuck in a rock so what can they do about it

[broken dew]

also Watchers in the Dark high-key gotta be some of my favourite fucking lore

what do you even MEAN you just have little hooded fucking creatures that can teleport around and access hidden places in your super fortress and carry your fucking stuff around sometimes

you are literally competetive xenophobes

why the fuck do you have these wack ass fucking xenos things running around your ship all willy nilly

actually such funny lore

also they fucking knew where The Lion was the entire time he was napping

also apparently they have anti-psyker powers like blanks

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah

[broken dew]

they know Eldrad???

[jaunty dawn]

They taught the knight orders of caliban to hunt chaos

And then the knight orders became the first calibanite dark angels

[broken dew]

i just love the lore of there being some entirely enigmatic little creatures that exist in the home base of a monastic order of turbo racist knights

[jaunty dawn]

And the knight orders were coed so there was canonically female uplift marines in the dark angel ranks

[broken dew]

uplift marines?

[jaunty dawn]

Like kor phaeron marines

Not actually genetically marines

Just given all the biomods their body can take

And use the same equipment

[broken dew]

word

that's cool

ok my estimations of the Dark Angels went up a bit

Despite their usual silence and small stature, Watchers are intelligent creatures who psychically communicate with one another. They have been seeking to guide the Dark Angels against Chaos since before the Horus Heresy, and are acquainted with the likes of Eldrad Ulthran. The Watchers seemed to welcome the coming Destruction of Caliban, viewing it as their last hope in their ambitions against Chaos.

yeah the Watchers in the Dark are fucking funny and neat

what strange creatures

[soft willow]

They're hooked deep in the knightly mysticism part of the Dark Angel's history.

[broken dew]

yeah

[upper canopy]

Factions that lack critters that can walk around are suffering

[broken dew]

is this why the Lamenters are always going in the meatgrinder

[spice flicker]

I mean the destruction of Caliban did force the fallen to scatter by denying them a base of operation to centralize around after Luthor's betrayal. Scattering the Fallen means the DA also focus on spreading as far as they reasonably can to hunt their traitorous brothers and thus exposing and eliminating more chaos schemes wherever DA forces went for the most part.

Better to have the pseudo-knightly order out questing for evil and feeling like they must also be on a vigilant hunt that huddling up in a fortress going nowhere against your ancient enemy.

[junior robin]

sure hope that Luther being freed and probably amassing a legion of the fallen will pay off soon, only been 2 editions since it happened

11th ed intro box should be DE vs the fallen but it's 2 identical armies.

[soft willow]

They have in fact already started working on the fallen's plotline in recent Dark Angels lore.

[thin ibex]

big luther v changed lion face dramatic and emotional face off in the middle of a battle?

or maybe on the bridge of a massive starship?

[soft willow]

Nothing that good yet.

More like the Lion waking up and going "Dude where's my legion?"

[pulsar cairn]

dark angels successors have pretty close ties right? he probably has the closest thing to a legion

[thin ibex]

Tbh, I think Wolves and Templars might be closest to a legion. UM are up there too cause, and then yeah the DA

[paper bluff]

Weeeeeeeelll

Last wall protocol and I remember the dark angels have something like that

[thin ibex]

The UM at this moment in lore are coordinating across successor chapters to retake the 500 worlds, which is quasi legion behavior

[paper bluff]

Plus the ultramarines and their successes are practically so similar in tactics that they can coordinate at legion scale pretty easily

[jaunty dawn]

It depends what you mean by closest to a legion

But last wall includes black templars anyway so

[paper bluff]

That's actually what happened with the assault on tangquelsa

Or whatever the name of the planet that the knight haunter had is fortress on

[thin ibex]

The reason I place wolves above is because they are not split and then capable of working together, they are a chapter with one successor.

And they do not care about codex astartes chapter limitation

[jaunty dawn]

The thing about space wolves not keeping to a thousand is all well and good but they like

[paper bluff]

Oh, and the blood angels and a bunch of their successors formed together to defend bahl against the hive fleet

[jaunty dawn]

Only actually sustain like 2000

Cause they only recruit from fenris

And fenris was a shithole

[thin ibex]

Well, roughly. Also because they die a lot and get spread thin

[jaunty dawn]

(Now an even bigger shithole)

[thin ibex]

They get non fenrisians swelling their numbers

Post primaris

[jaunty dawn]

We were talking about this last night and I think ultramarines legion shit is massive but compared to other legion organisations it makes up a lower percentage of all ultramarine chapters

[paper bluff]

I would say.... UM are top most legion like, then dark angels, then imperial fists, and then blood angels

And then wolves at the end

[jaunty dawn]

But even the primogenitors alone is like 25,000 marines

[paper bluff]

The factor is I'd consider in legion.Behavior is ties, ability to coordinate, and culture

[jaunty dawn]

While the inner circle organisation is endemic to almost every dark angel chapter

For example

[paper bluff]

The UM and successors co-ordinating, simple AF and till he got up successors would visit Gman on macragge

[jaunty dawn]

Its just theres way more ultramarines than anything else

Yeah

[paper bluff]

The DA as in second because I'd say the hexagrammon exists as various successors being them and the shared secret also keeping them close

[jaunty dawn]

Theyre also more proactive in coordinating I think

[paper bluff]

Imperial fish, because they've got the feast of blades to bring the successors back in contact and compete against each other then, there's the last wall protocol that literally pretty much brings them together as a legion

[jaunty dawn]

Even if its mostly just fallen, fallen happen all the time

While last wall is genuinely for emergencies

[paper bluff]

There's definitely cohesion. I wouldn't say like the ultramarines and their successors. Where it's tactically, the same

[broken dew]

iirc wolves have no successors that aren't chaos or dead so i do feel they are closest to legion for simply being one group

[jaunty dawn]

Wolves have primaris successors

[paper bluff]

They got the wolf spear

[broken dew]

huh

ok

[paper bluff]

But the members of the wolf spear have to basically go on hajj to fenris

[broken dew]

in that case prolly DA or IF

[jaunty dawn]

Space wolves are kinda weird cause

They do still act like a legion

[broken dew]

IF would be my bet cause they did straight up temp rebuild the legion for War of the Beast

[jaunty dawn]

But theyre like

So understrength

[broken dew]

yeah

in behaviour it's Wolves

[paper bluff]

I would say culturally, there's not a difference between the space wolves legion and the space wolves chapter

[jaunty dawn]

Like the great companies are meant to be chapters

[broken dew]

in terms of actually being legion it's IF

not only do they have Last Wall but they have actually invoked it at the behest of Slaughter

at least that's how i see it

but Wolves culturally and structurally are closer

[jaunty dawn]

culturally

yeah

but it doesn't really help them do any legion things

and also like

they've changed for sure

just in terms of an organisation existing for 10,000 years

which is too many honestly

warhammer 40,000? spare some zeroes for the rest of us yaknow

[thin ibex]

they do kinda do history via oral tradition rather than strict record keeping

dreads and various priests are effectively the arbiters of wolf history

10k is a lot of time for drift

though they do have one thread that goes back all 10k years

ol bjorn

they wake him up like once a year to tell stories, not countin if they call him to battle

As much as the tabletop wants you to believe that he, logan, arjac, and sometimes ragnar show up to every single battle

[wide veldt]

Desperately waiting for new recruit to get the crucible of champions rules

Or waha

[upper bluff]

Me too. I need to make John Skitarii on the tabletop

[sweet solar]

john skittary is the kind of name charles dickens would give to a cricket man

[paper bluff]

Skip Tarty

[mild glen]

A question for the AoS fans in the room regarding the new Lumineth battletome:
Two separate units of Windchargers for better flexibility and scoring Scouting Force, or one big block for Rune and Command efficiency?

[hardy harness]

This fucking sucks

[junior summit]

augh

[thin ibex]

Playing votann into WE tomorrow in the crusade. Never played the match up. But they have 20 crusade points on me

[pulsar cairn]

are you the one playing Votann?

[wide veldt]

Me learning that blast templates haven’t existed since 7th edition

My sweet children will never return

[jaunty dawn]

Its unlikely yeah

In mainline 40k

Or aos

[sour sequoia]

There’s no funny plastic play aids still

But there is 1

The humble Deathstrike

[soft willow]

Have you heard the good word of Legions Imperialis? Where we still have blast and flame templates, a scatter die, and there are alternating activations?

[jaunty dawn]

And the blasts are even bigger in scale

[little bay]

nice

[mental birch]

Just beat GSV

My head hurts

Brain pain

Hate hate hate

Hahahahaha

[still warren]

Feeshman https://www.reddit.com/r/WarhammerFantasy/s/55XdEWEweC

[jaunty dawn]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/upctllnl/the-new-aeldari-vyper-nineties-classic-to-modern-swivelling-marvel/?fbclid=PAb21jcAQFdVpleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZA81NjcwNjczNDMzNTI0MjcAAadx97X-5br9B1vHpPz4FFYb6Y9_ArNNRrgh-xMDpEqc195OGYU__217AoUzww_aem_0l8jMThMeQA5BJI7QuJoWQ

Toys is back!!!!!!! Toys is back!!!!

(The turret spins and raises)

[junior robin]

if only they had the guts to bring back Nuaduh "fireheart" with this remake

[jaunty dawn]

Really curious what the deal with the corsair one is gonna be, cause it appeared it was just gonna be the tailgunner thing but both do that

[pastel rampart]

That's a lot of technicals.

[junior robin]

my money is on the GSC, their primer-only state will keep the weight and drag down, meaning they can move faster.

[pastel rampart]

Yeah same, they're just gonna dictate the battlefield with all those vehicles.

[pulsar cairn]

GSC be motorised

[junior robin]

ooooh nooo now I got another army idea living in my head (GSC Speed Freeks)

[jaunty dawn]

Admiral did say she won haha

Gsc motorcade does look awesome tho

[tired cairn]

I like how the less painted GSC get the more painted terrain side to balance things out

[mental birch]

They dictqted turn 1 and 2

But i wiped 3-4 units a turn brcause retaliation

By turn 3 they were low

I got very greedy amd lucky with splitfire to be fair

3 meltaguns at s10 at melta range was enoufh to kill a goliath

The other 6 went into the 2 ridgerunners

Riptides were also blasting away at goliaths

Plasma wiped 1 unit missiles wiped 1 farsight flamer caused more provlems

[wide veldt]

Yeah I was about to say I recognize those tau models

Those vehicles are fucked Allan

[sour sequoia]

You rang?

What detaches? Looks like Outlander Claw

[mental birch]

Yeah

+oc on vehicles or sometjing

[sour sequoia]

All Vehicles n Mounted +1 OC, bikes sticky

[mental birch]

Yeah

Basically

[sour sequoia]

Despite being mostly vehicles its kinda Peak GSC Fundamentals

They dont have much damage/kill potential its just scoring and bodyblocking doing donuts around objectives

The dominating r1 and r2 tells me they’re not thaaaaat experienced people love doing the truck rush and then all your rhinos explode

But the mental stack for fighting em is always there I feel you

Oh god is that layout 8 hidden supplies

[mental birch]

Yes

I did not select this

Ahhahaha

[mental birch]

Suffering?

Lol

[mental birch]

R3 it was 25 to me 50 to him

But his resourcers were low

[sour sequoia]

I’m wondering how you lose on that as outlander lmao

[mental birch]

He miscalcuated my twintides had fall back and shoot

And i was very happy to yeet them into his vehicles

Bababaa

Tank shocking every turn

[sour sequoia]

OOP

Yeah that does it

[mental birch]

Twintide yeeting combined with just me being stupid aggresive jnto his face

I did very careful calculations and came to the conclusion that punching his army like a monkey was rhe correct call

And then i 6" his backup goliath and got greedy and lucky with his solo ridgerunner

[mental birch]

Retaliation is weirdly happy to to danger close

[sour sequoia]

Outlander Claw especially, you have to literally full send

[mental birch]

Just the return to playing like a begginer felt so weird

You know the play to table?

[sour sequoia]

I am personally learned enough I can usually bait a lot of worse pushes and set up to counterpunch but. It automatically makes it a closer game than it should be

[sour sequoia]

I cop a lot of free tourney wins off “hey man any advice” “punch me in the face” “they must mean like 4 units coordinated push onto one objective”

No I mean full fucking send like your little brother playing orks

[mental birch]

I sat down did the galaxy brain calculation and realised turn 1 that unga bunga in his face was the play

[sour sequoia]

Against everything except Biosanctic and Final Day, absolutely

[bright dove]

https://tenor.com/view/trigg-tmnt-gif-8658577424397354058

[mental birch]

I played against eldar once and also did the same thinf

Realising that he could outscore me all day but if I used my speed and murded his units

Common wisdon is dont chase Eldar

But like wait i'm barely fast enoufh to catch em

[bright dove]

Reminds me of when an Ork player and myself looked at each other, nodded, and then did the Khorne-Ork moshpit

[sour sequoia]

The dirty trick of biosanctic is the full send will lose to aberrants

[mental birch]

Turn 1 i murdered both his bike squads and set up to yeet into his tanks

[mental birch]

I've played ehough retaliation that abberants are treated like deathwing knigjts

🙁

Both bike squads and 1 unit of purestrains

Like i forced the use of 6 points turn 1 amd that was very funny

[sour sequoia]

Aha

Yeah nobody should ever respawn purestrains in Outlander, thats a good mistake

[mental birch]

He respawned bikes though

Which were good

Whwt else not sure

[sour sequoia]

Flamer acos are never bad respawns, how many were they packin

Ideally an OC list is like, 7-8 vehicles, min. 3x5 bikes but 10-mans and farming a third min squad is fine, then shitloads of acolytes and lone op characters

[mental birch]

2 units he respawned pne of them

Was usinf them to guard his back weirdlt

10 man cultists were sitting in the goliaths

With firind dexk

Forced him to respawn all his bikrs by turn 2

Lol

[sour sequoia]

Ooooh boy yeah I see

Thats too much screening—it takes some practice but 2 ridgerunners and a tool squad screens any non Dawn of War Deployment Zone fully while hiding from centerfield, the ten man neos let you screen that.

Everyone else needs to be pushing up and going to fight n trade in mid or in enemy DZ

[rocky shale]

It has different guns and abilities

The datasheet is out already

[mental birch]

He was too sxared of my 6"

Deepstrike

[sour sequoia]

That screens the 6” aughghghg

[mental birch]

Ooooh

[sour sequoia]

It is hard to trust that kind of positioning tho

[mental birch]

Like he was trying to screen the front as well 12"

[sour sequoia]

It takes a loooot of practice to figure out when shooting strung up trash is worth to your enemy

I have deploys that look ballsy

[mental birch]

Like actually too scared of me melta shooting his transports in the face

[sour sequoia]

Until you realize anything shy of massive overkill probably only kills enough to pop out of LoS and then respawn back onto point in my command phase anyways

[mental birch]

Yeah i mean i did throw serious firepower into his units

[jaunty dawn]

Oh, mb

[mental birch]

My unit kills were usually 1 activatoon

2 activations for vehicles

Sometimes

I got like 2 free rouns of farsifht shooting lol

[sour sequoia]

Bruh

Proud of you for not getting knowledge checked

Im smackin that GSC player

[mental birch]

Hahahaa

I have never seen that list before

I went in blind

Lol so mildly proud of the blind on the spot checking

[sour sequoia]

OC’s a weird one and yet also
The Tactically Purest GSC Army

Everything else will have some huge punishes for crisis suit n riptide palm slams

[mental birch]

Was still a headache to play though

I wouldnt usually palm slam into

Any fight

Hahaha

[sour sequoia]

Its also a lot worse than it used to be so people gave up on it (these people are dumb)

The rule used to be double OC

OC6 goliath truck

And the old army rule meant you rolled for theoretically infinite respawns but it was a 2+ for battleline, and another +1 for stuff dying in the first round so triple bike scout to every No Mans Land objective was free as fuck

[mental birch]

Riptide and crisis unga bunga is not what i usually do lol

Most opponenrs punish the unga

Not just GSC

[vital barn]

I'm looking forward to learning 10e and Outlander Claw by going 0 and 6 in our crusade league

[mental birch]

0 opponent research 0 pre game planning turn up and play like James Workshop intended

With a list i know

[sour sequoia]

Lose every fight
Get Tabled r4

85-15 victory

[vital barn]

do you not autolose if you get tabled these days

[mental birch]

Nope

By score

[vital barn]

ooh fun

[mental birch]

Ungabunga in the face early

[vital barn]

I used to play 7e Skittles as pure stand on objectives don't die so this works

[mental birch]

Because OMG owwwwww

Bfain pain

Trying to plan on the fly around GSC

Semi seirously though there was no 'knowlege' here mostly just like fundemental understanding and math

I sat down and did the numbers in my head mid his turn hahhaa

[sour sequoia]

Honestly good on you

[mental birch]

Keep wanting to study but i keep ending up walking in blind and half the time it works

Half the time i get bodied lol

Well works more than half the time but i also keep having headahces playing

[sour sequoia]

Even tho it sounds like a newer player to GSC there, first time into GSC is generally just autolose to knowledge gap

Because there’s no way to explain the way lethality doesn’t matter anymore and your unit priorities are inverted for both players

If he’s smart he kills spotter units, vespids, kroot ASAP and tags everything else

[mental birch]

He was hunting my spotters its just i did the same trick of only exposing one model

And like most of my threat while taggable had fall back and shoot

While i was aggresively cutting his activations

Twin riptide shooting xharging and falling back to do it again

[sour sequoia]

Yeah, riptides are also high on Gotta Go list just because you can’t turn em off

Even crisis suits ignoring mods are less of a problem because cutting out one of move+shoot brings their utility way down

[mental birch]

Was a bit too greedy with my tides tho used them to bait out his firepower into very uncomfy situqtions

Lol

[mental birch]

Cutting out whuh?

[spice flicker]

Which list would you suggest for king of the colosseum?

[mental birch]

Oh calling all heresy mechanicum weirdos

No veihicles y/n?

[pulsar cairn]

btw

do dark mechanicum worship chaos? or do they have like their own thing as well?

i know they are in the eye of terror as well but i was thinking maybe if they had their own chaos version of the machine cult`s religion

[floral herald]

Yes but the dark gods don’t really have any canon or a lot of specifics for how you do it

[pulsar cairn]

right

[mental birch]

Dark Mechanicum are doing demonic cultivation which is distinct from the Hetrodox cultivation done by the Myrmidax

[jaunty dawn]

Dark mech still believe in the machine god

But do chaos stuff

The forge of souls in general is also like kinda independent of specific gods but nonetheless chaos

Malevolent artifice is an aspect of chaos unto itself

[cinder wraith]

dark mech when you ask why their daemons are harvested for vehicles: "just doing some honest to dark gods farming work"

[tired cairn]

I imagine they got more chaos worshipy over time. Even if just from proximity to all the other to chaos worshippers.

[soft willow]

The True Mechanicum haven't changed, they've just gotten closer to the Omnissiah's will by not forbidding knowledge.

[jaunty dawn]

Theyre as chaosy as the rest of the horus aligned imperium is after fleeing into the eye of terror

Which is to say they are chaos regardless of any delusions to the contrary

[charred bridge]

Get in the Daemon Engine Shinji

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/591429239211950081/1474811731938250983/oIt9SIVEGMDGuCc5gIeNJoQkeLfsBSCgvsbDg7.mp4?ex=699b34f5&is=6999e375&hm=129ab3d716b9aed2cff91ab6eea0b5a09c80c41f96e1e71b243926a4bbec6ac0&

[pulsar cairn]

you think an ork warboss ever cuts himself trying to scratch their bum while having one of those?

[junior robin]

I think they got a special grot for that

[pulsar cairn]

[pulsar cairn]

i once has an Ork be the CEO of IPSN in a lancer game of mine

it was not a lancer universe mixed with 40k

it just had that one ork for no reason

[paper bluff]

It can happen. A skaven once saw an eldar

[mild glen]

My sibling in sin, I am playing T'au. If I am punching things, I have lost

[finite compass]

Back in the Dark Ages, 40k stuff could 'wash up' through the Warp in the WHFB universe

So you could have Chaos Warriors running around with chainswords and boltguns

[paper bluff]

I play custodes. If I am punching you, you have lost

[mild glen]

And then Gotrek Gurnisson somehow found the one plasma gun that never exploded

[pastel rampart]

https://redelf.narod.ru/w6/albion/a_treasures.html They even had a campaign in 6th edition in Albion that had "magic items" like power fists!

(it went to the winners and uh, that was mostly dark elves)

[jaunty dawn]

Before 40k existed and a lot the early lore was being established in warhammer fantasy power swords etc were old one technology used by the Amazons n stuff

[finite compass]

They had laspistols too

[pastel rampart]

Yeah. Amazons still had them in Mordheim too.

[main pagoda]

really missing the best one of Kaldor Drago showing up in WHFB

[finite compass]

https://tenor.com/view/tts-kaldor-draigo-warrior-40k-gif-16181920

[charred bridge]

Butt scratcher squig

[thin ibex]

mna, played into WE today for the crusade, got shreckt

they DID have a lot of battle honors

but i think i misplayed a bunch

well not a bunch a bunch

but dice gods did not favor me

my big steeljack shooters just serverely underperformed

and my hekaton's didn't kill very well

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/591429239211950081/1474970122455093411/would-you-consider-this-a-hive-tyrant-v0-m5dfzbj16ykg1.png?ex=699bc878&is=699a76f8&hm=e5023191bbc0970a56ade6b2260a461bc66cbb2c1881d6a1d5b38e4cb412e2db&

[sonic hare]

options-san

[mental birch]

My brain thunks thats a pegasus

[pale narwhal]

Bionicle lookin ass

[sour sequoia]

Mont’Ka, Ret Cadre, Aux Cadre all have huge advantages into GSC tbh but you do literally have to full send

Throw shit up the table and kill everything in sight every round dont stop

If you buckle or say “hm I’ll keep shit in reserve in case this doesn’t work”

There will be ten metamorphs hiding beneath your bed

[thin ibex]

Anti GSC tau strat is just hyper aggression?

Shoot it all, charge it all, melee it all

[mental birch]

Ret cadre was weirdly perfect into this

[sour sequoia]

Even tau melee kills acolytes and neos tbh

[mental birch]

I killed one of his lone ops with riptide melee

[sour sequoia]

Meanwhile, even if you are primary god if you stutter for even a moment you just get blown out

She had three Norns. Look at the primary for babby’s first 2k Outlander Claw game

I barely killed shit, I literally just moved and blocked and scored out

Did kill the norns via “here is an arbitrary number of wound-rerolling AP-1 flamers. Didn’t give a fuck about 90% of the rest of the list

[mental birch]

Not all but like yeah aggresively think like a monekey brain new player

Oooh ooh ahh ahh

[spice flicker]

For chaos bikers should I go with flamers or melta for king of the colosseum?

[rocky shale]

Depends on if the rest of your list is better into chaff or big stuff

[spice flicker]

This is the current wip list

[rocky shale]

If you already have that many missiles then probably flamer

[spice flicker]

I decided on the missiles since their krak profiles would be sufficient for vehicles while the frak profiles can handle hordes (like a 20 man kreig squad+command squad my friend flung at me.)

[dense sedge]

What is coliseums?

[floral herald]

So am I missing something or is Raveners vs Plague Marines just a fuck-awful matchup lol

Oh huh

I am missing something

[spice flicker]

Unofficial 500 point format

No unit with more than 9 toughness
Singleton outside of battleline which are max 2 of each.
Must have at least 2 units that are infantry.

[rocky shale]

Very funny that this let's you bring basically any elf tank

[spice flicker]

Wait are they really toughness 9?

Or below?

[rocky shale]

All eldar vehicles that aren't legends are T9 or less

[spice flicker]

Thats funny

[sour sequoia]

Doomsday Ark

Honestly not even bad at 500 when it also packs 20 gauss shots at good BS for chaff bullshit and is. OC 5 for Some Reason

[rocky shale]

DDA is T9???

[spice flicker]

I thought it was t10 at least

[spice flicker]

Well ill be

[sour sequoia]

The really weird thing about 10th is Imperium models really actually have the monopoly on Good Statlines

[jaunty dawn]

doomsday ark gets a 4+ invuln

this basically represents the fact that necrons vehicles used to have below average stats but until the first hit were buffed to above average stats

quantum shielding

[sour sequoia]

Being T9 is honestly gonna kill you more often than the 4++ is gonna save you

Bladeguard get Lance from infinity sources and now wound you on 4s with a giant pile of AP-2 D2 attacks

[vital barn]

I admit I blink slightly in surprise whenever I remember the Onager Dunecrawler got its 4++ back, since it used to have that only at the height of 7th ed Warconvo bullshit

tin can crab can take a hit

and the erad beamer is actually good now

[spice flicker]

This was the necron list I used for one colosseum match.

[sour sequoia]

Tin crabs get a 4++, better toughness, muuuuch cheaper than the DDA

[vital barn]

fun aura too

[sour sequoia]

If you bring an enginseer to babysit it, it becomes same cost as the DDA while getting healing and getting a Feel No Pain

[vital barn]

I thought it was a bigger deal than it was because I remember Skits having 6++ not 5++ but they apparently got daemon saves when I wasn't looking

[jaunty dawn]

it's just pity

[vital barn]

are we sure they're not darkmech

[jaunty dawn]

skitarii basically always had a 5++ in 9e because their good (post nerf) army of renown (or something?) gave them that

skitarii veterans

it meant you couldn't take cult mech other than 1 of each priest but that was fine cause all the cult mech units were bad

and then in 10e they just kept it because they're desperate to make it a real army without making skitarii 3ppm

[rocky shale]

Rip T12 avatar of khaine and T7 wraithguard /blades

[upper bluff]

I like the skitarii fnp it makes them distinct from normal infantry

[sour sequoia]

Considering the amount eldar pays for those, when they dont hook into any army stuff, compared to just slapping down RepExes or Rogal Dorns, who in turn also shit death and will pick those units up in one go

[rocky shale]

43% WR since the last nerf T_T

[sour sequoia]

The perfidious Armor of Contempt:

[rocky shale]

Oh yeah every single everything says non wraith infantry despite them being unplayable for like 2years straight

[vital barn]

shame, the wraith units are my favourite Eldar

[rocky shale]

AoK is still good at T11 but that's because it's basically the last monster in the game with half damage

[rocky shale]

Same

Wraithknights and to a lesser extent wraithguard were insane with dev wounds at the start of edition so they had to be drawn and quartered

[sour sequoia]

Which is funny when really it took two completely sane fixes to deal with it that they just refused to implement

[rocky shale]

Yeah the small wraiths would be absolutely fine with like 80% of the strats they currently are specifically barred from

Now that dev wounds isn't insane

The knights being 80-100pts more than an an imperial knight is the truly insane part

The things we sacrifice for new vyper sculpt...

[sour sequoia]

Look I simply detest all titanic models besides the monolith and the baneblade I am fine if I never see knights again

Send em to apocalypse

[rocky shale]

I'll trade wraithknights for good other wraiths

[charred bridge]

Be careful who you make fun of in Warhammer Fantasy, such is the power of Nagash

[broken dew]

wow

that is an insane glowup

[tardy vault]

Nagash has a pretty cool model, yeah

Also single handedly makes death the cheapest faction to buy

[still warren]

and has the funniest model rule in AoS

[broken dew]

lmao

that is actually hilarious

"once per turn, end of any turn"

[mild glen]

"Which means the end of every turn"

[broken dew]

yeah this seems

potentially worth its points cost in gold

frankly

[tardy vault]

It's strong, but on the wrong model to us it.

[jaunty dawn]

He does have to have not already killed whatever hes in combat with

[tardy vault]

Nah, he has to be in combat with a hero to use it

[jaunty dawn]

And/or not died

[tardy vault]

Yeah, if he's melee at the end of the turn with a hero, it's likely because the hero was there to buff up some melee unit that has servered their purpose

If I end my turn in melee with Nagash with my Ironscale, it's because she's there with a block of spear snakes that probably either chunked him for most of his health or have just finished murdering every single bodyguarding unit in reach and are pinning him for a followup visit from a different hammer.

That or I'm pinning him with the Shadow Queen but she's also a bullshit tier god model so she doesn't count.

[mental birch]

jov (500 points)

T’au Empire
Incursion (1000 points)
Retaliation Cadre

CHARACTERS

Commander in Enforcer Battlesuit (80 points)
• Warlord
• 1x Battlesuit fists
1x Cyclic ion blaster
2x Gun Drone
3x Plasma rifle

OTHER DATASHEETS

Broadside Battlesuits (80 points)
• 1x Crushing bulk
1x Heavy rail rifle
2x Missile Drone
1x Twin plasma rifle
1x Weapon Support System

Crisis Fireknife Battlesuits (120 points)
• 1x Crisis Fireknife Shas’vre
• 1x Battlesuit fists
1x Gun Drone
2x Plasma rifle
1x Shield Drone
• 2x Crisis Fireknife Shas’ui
• 2x Battlesuit fists
2x Gun Drone
4x Plasma rifle
2x Shield Drone

Stealth Battlesuits (110 points)
• 1x Stealth Shas’vre
• 1x Battlesuit fists
1x Burst cannon
1x Gun Drone
1x Marker Drone
1x Pulse pistol
• 4x Stealth Shas’ui
• 4x Battlesuit fists
4x Burst cannon

Stealth Battlesuits (110 points)
• 1x Stealth Shas’vre
• 1x Battlesuit fists
1x Burst cannon
1x Gun Drone
1x Marker Drone
1x Pulse pistol
• 4x Stealth Shas’ui
• 4x Battlesuit fists
4x Burst cannon

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Thinking for this for KOC

[thin ibex]

My thought process is that they have no issue getting in close, they will shoot a limited number of times, go with the melta so that their shots go big when they land

[dawn mesa]

Huh. I got a notification I was pinged here, but now its gone and I've no record in my list.

Got me excited there might have been Drukhari news...

[pastel rampart]

Pleased with how this printed out.

[jaunty dawn]

Just a little bit of warping prebuilt battle damage

[pastel rampart]

If you mean the tracks, I didn't push-fit them in tight enough, hah.

The little scratches I'm not sure why it did that but it'll be easy enough to cover with paint.

[jaunty dawn]

Many on the hull opening

S

Like the drivers hatch

[pastel rampart]

Yeah. Should buff out no problem tho.

[cinder wraith]

friends about the tau manta: "if not coffee table then why coffee table shaped?"

[thin ibex]

im unironically trying to decide if i should bring a manta on a crusade at 3000 supply

it would restrict me to only 3k games and 1k games short 100 points

[jaunty dawn]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/utzwpur9/new-imperial-knight-destrier-strides-into-battle/

Jetpack knight jetpack knight

This is not a drill

I love her

[soft willow]

It’s also medium sized

[jaunty dawn]

Idk why that sent twice but yeah

Oh I like the back flag

I cant believe they added Nelson Lancer to warhammer

[soft willow]

Where was this when they wanted hype for the codex though?

[jaunty dawn]

This is apparently the admech armour that was teased

At the end of the admech article

It is kinda funny that they have so much shit planned for the narrative season that like

Half of it isnt even waiting for a reveal show

[soft willow]

Honestly it’s good that they have so much for the narrative stuff though

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah!

Mega frag cannon

[soft willow]

Mini lancer and extra dangerous chainsword too.

[jaunty dawn]

Mm :3

I really like the helmet shapes

[soft willow]

Just leaning further into knightly vibes with the helmets and banner

[desert jay]

Yeah they're great helmets

[jaunty dawn]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/g1glqtzl/tau-empires-twin-lance-datasheet-lets-you-perfect-close-range-enemy-melting/

Oh

The pulse pistols are basically just pulse blasters yeah, 6 -1 2

Better even

Wait they have fusion knives

All their ranged weapons fire in combat as melee weapons (less attacks)

[main pagoda]

new combat patrols as well

[jaunty dawn]

And they have better than ever jump shoot jump (every single fight phase)

[floral herald]

What on earth is that night lords one?

[main pagoda]

"The Legionaries in this Combat Patrol have swapped their usual upgrade sprue for the Night Lords-themed one from the Nemesis Claw kill team, so you can outfit both them and their Chosen betters with tons of Nostraman details – especially the winged helmets, which are probably the most ‘Night Lords’ thing in the box"

[jaunty dawn]

That last sentence is so funny

Like yeah you didnt include the new night lord unit so thats accurate 😭

[main pagoda]

which one?

[floral herald]

No I mean it’s a Nemesis Claw box, Chosen, a Jump Lord who can’t join anything in the box, and a rhino

It’s just a little strange

[jaunty dawn]

Idk what theyre called the new jump pack kill team

[floral herald]

Murderwing

[jaunty dawn]

Which would also solve the jump pack issue

[floral herald]

But they’re not actually NL specific that’s just their studio paint job

[jaunty dawn]

Wild

Couldve at least done regular raptors even

The kroot one is fine I guess but its a bit weird to not have a hq unit

[floral herald]

Murderwing is the new raptors box basically

[misty violet]

This wave of combat patrols does seem very much like a "clear out some specific old sprues" release

[floral herald]

Makes it a little weirder they’re not in it haha

[jaunty dawn]

Like the lonespear is filling the character slot but hes barely even a character

A trail shaper wouldve been nice

[rocky shale]

I wonder if CK will get a sheet for the new knight chassis

[main pagoda]

holding out for a new CK chasis as well

[junior robin]

what if CK/mortarion combo kit

[desert jay]

Did you mean Perturabo?

[jaunty dawn]

I kinda doubt ck will get it

[desert jay]

But also no way GW does a primarch kit as a dual build

[junior robin]

yes, sorry, peter turbo

[jaunty dawn]

Given I dont think theyve shared a release since they started getting their own stuff

I also just dont think perturabo is happening haha

[junior robin]

[jaunty dawn]

Probably there wont be any more chaos primarchs until a new loyalist one comes out and Im not sure theres really been any huge indications that will happen

Other than the narrative that gw wants to bring back all the primarchs

If it does happen it’ll probably happen imminently but I also feel like this time, last time, we knew lion was coming for an actual fact

[main pagoda]

I do think if we were going to see him this release he'd been shown

[junior robin]

and they are showing the book next week so probably no more new minis, period

lame

[jaunty dawn]

40k is over

Pack it all up

[junior robin]

why does GW not want my money ?

[desert jay]

Cerastus, sorta

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/battletech-mechwarrior-mech-catapult-jump-gif-21444884

Finally, jump jets.

[desert jay]

But I think CK getting a knight in the same size class isn't unlikely

[junior robin]

I love that the new tau got XV Pulse pistols (not a pistol) and shardstorm burst systems (a pistol)

[jaunty dawn]

In plastic? I guess

Idk why they call it a battlesuit sized pulse pistol when its clearly a pistolised pulse blaster

They dont even need the pistol rule so much because theyre vheicles

[mild glen]

The shardstorm having pistol lets them be an Ovserver unit if they're ever stuck in a melee at the top of your shooting.
They don't Markerlight or have any fun rules for it, but they also don't benefit from being Guided

[thin ibex]

something im confused about with the new tau

[mental birch]

??

[thin ibex]

is that pistol

[mental birch]

Sure ignore the -1 BS from big guns

[thin ibex]

i guess the observer bit is neat, but like, as a vehicle, they cna already shoot in melee

[mental birch]

I guess is the niche use

[thin ibex]

i guess its still 8 shots at str 6 in melee

so not nothing

[jaunty dawn]

Its like flesh hooks but for tau

[thin ibex]

i also see twin pulse blaster in the kit sheets, but dont see them on any units. Is hte gun drone the one with the pulse blasters?

good ol shotgun drones

oh i guess the melee profilei s just the pistol

as if it was shooting

just like the other guns

useful for the fusion eliminator guy

to have more volume melee

that makes sense

these guys are cool

[jaunty dawn]

yeah the gun drones

[mental birch]

Also the new kmight nl

Need to paint him blue with red shoes

[jaunty dawn]

mv15 gun drone is in the wargear section

[thin ibex]

tank shocking with the new knight is just goomba stomping

[mental birch]

You're too slow

He's rolling around at the speed of sound

[jaunty dawn]

I think it would've been cool for the tau characters to have an ability each

but oh well

they're already pretty stacked with their shared wargear

[charred bridge]

Our ability comrade

[little bay]

communism

[past sphinx]

what a fuck ugly bastard

kinda like it though

anything that means less armgiers around

[jaunty dawn]

armega

[charred bridge]

Hmm military junta Farsight Enclave has revolutionary ideas

History is a circle

[jaunty dawn]

I honestly completely forgot about ground prime

[hollow laurel]

I kinda want one just to paint it up as an Albatross Nelson. I'm sure someone around here can scale a print for a fist to go with the spear.

Admiral (she/her) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161696278640594954 message) Need to paint him blue with red shoes

[mental birch]

Oh shit yeah its a nelson

[sweet solar]

that things cool as hell

i really hope we get some smaller units for knights though or more time for the codex to be ballanced and written to play better against normal armies without being "the weird one"

[jaunty dawn]

I really like it yeah

[sweet solar]

and also hope this shows more models coming for knights at some point

OR more knight-ish-scale models all round

i wanna see more old knights

and new superheavy walkers

[jaunty dawn]

I kinda just hope that next time around admech and knights play nice again

[thin ibex]

I want votann to have a super heavy lol

[jaunty dawn]

especially since they are once again like

releasing them as a combined contingent lol

[sweet solar]

if nothing else the admech need a couple of knights they can take, and the knights need to be able to take SOME infantry even if they are ALL like 0-1 per army or whatever to keep the theme being big guys
let the knights take an enginseers, skitarii titan guard, yeomen in sentinels and peasent levy infantry

idk gaurdsman yeoman armoured sentinels with multimelta or the hydraulic lifter psudo-power-fists from the old forgeworld model or just straight up the rough rider explosive lances or the heavy chainsword upgrade as standard, arbelast yeoman scout sentinels with some unique ranged weapon, or just a full rack of hunter killer missiles

they could even base them off the 30k sentinels but done up with knightly accoutremant and pennants and stuff

god i love a command throne....

[thin ibex]

man the 30k sentinels look significantly worse than the modern ones lol

[sweet solar]

i like em but they are very different

i can see why someone wouldnt like em

they are way more like

doofy

[thin ibex]

they look much less... balanced

and more top heavy

[sweet solar]

they look like maquettes from a mid budget practical effects 80s movie

[broken dew]

love the full armor inside the giant robot

[sweet solar]

they could be background detail from david lynch's dune

[sweet solar]

gotta protect them from the feedback of the machine spirit! and also incase they have to get out lol

my big 11th wishes for knights are smaller than armiger (if possible infantry but sentinel scale fine too) units and for foot-knights to spawn every time a knight or armiger goes down without expoding

[broken dew]

that would be kinda fucking sick

[jaunty dawn]

the big one is specifically like an artillery sentinel

not just a 30k heavy

I'm pretty sure the 30k sentinel on the bottom has an armoured variant anyway

[main pagoda]

armoured is a relative term

[sweet solar]

yeah

its a difference in faceplate

the more i think about it the more i want light sentinels with rough rider explosive hunting lances as yeomen, leaning off the side like a knightly squire warboy in mad max fury road

"REMEMBER ME IN YOUR ETERNAL CIRCUITS MY LORD! I DIE HISTORIC IN THE ROLLS OF CHIVALRY!"

new idea for a custom 30k militia gained

with brettonian and cawdor gang necromunda kitbashes

[jaunty dawn]

yeah cawdor work really good

especially with their gun polearms

[past sphinx]

these tau suits are gonna beat your ass

good to see them back

[atomic apex]

Still very funny to me that the pistol is not a pistol

Not that they really need it, since they're vehicles

[sour sequoia]

They even shoot pistols alongside other guns because they’re vehicles/monsters

[atomic apex]

Oh do vehicles get around the either pistols or other guns too?

Didn't know that

[zinc field]

Oh no I need a new knight

[quaint compass]

Pistols are even better since they also circumvent the penalty for shooting in melee that vehicles otherwise would have

[tired cairn]

The new jump Knight reminds me of some faction's warjacks from Warmachine. I think it's the hunchback

[tired cairn]

It's so cute

[pastel rampart]

Multilaser broke due to my own gorilla hands but came out fine.

It's a very tight fit so you can't really hot-swap these and magnetizing would require futzing around with the files themselves, but for turrets I can always just print another one and slap a different gun. It costs me like, 10 cents of plastic.

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, close enough for my liking.

[spice flicker]

What units would you say are iconic must haves for alpha legion in crusade besides legionnaires?

Or should I just do phobos focused space marines and label them as alpha legion infiltrators?

[jaunty dawn]

for csm cultists

foot lord probly and chosen?

[thin ibex]

I do wish AL had a sniper lord

as far as other iconic AL units, yeah, cultists, they make broad use of traitors and cultist networks

then make decisive strikes themselves

[finite compass]

Cultists and Traitor Guard

Kitted out Chosen, probably

...

Actually never mind, my 40k knowledge is Dated and Chosen are apparently no longer the 'has every weapon option ever' squad

fuckin' nuhammer, man...

[jaunty dawn]

I mean they do they just only have one of each

And combi weapons dont exist anymore

[soft willow]

Well, they’re their own weapon instead of bolter and.

Which is less fun but also way easier to write rules for.

[sweet solar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcHq_c8EypU

[wide veldt]

So how do yall feel about tau having guns that are also melee weapons

[sweet solar]

there should be more hell yea

[wide veldt]

As Shown in the new tau fellas

Tbh I kinda hope this is a thing for them

In 11e

Like…. They don’t need to be good at melee

But SOMETHING

PLEASE

[brittle salmon]

I mean, they do have something :p

points at Kroot

[sweet solar]

give me a unit of 10 tau in exoskeletons with shardstorm burst systems and xv pulse pistols being wielded as double handed melee rifles

[wide veldt]

That’s the Kroot

This is the tau

They’re different silly

:p

One is fishes DONT @ ME ABOUT HOW KROOT CAN BE FISHES I KNOW

[pale narwhal]

the internet yearns for 250 kroot hounds....

[wide veldt]

Oh I like this guy

Never seen him before but this is a great vid

“I refuse to paint faces you’re in the army put on your helmet” based

[jaunty dawn]

Tau are cow guys actually

The imperium call them all fishes

[wide veldt]

YO MEPHISTON BROTHER

THAT PSYGUN HAS SUSTAINED HITS 3

[thin ibex]

Kinda crazy that the big shooting strats from experimental Cadre works on the tau nar

[floral herald]

Of all the aliens which can sometimes be fishes…

[wide veldt]

https://www.newrecruit.eu/app/list/W96xb

Is this blood angels list anything

Gonna be honest kinda felt like I lost the plot a bit

And also like space marines have surprisingly few infantry squads who are real melee boys?

[pale narwhal]

not many on foot guys, no (BA at least, space wolves and black templars have a few)

assault intercessors, bladeguard, victrix if you're ultramarines are the big non-jump infantry

sanguinary guard and death company w/ jump packs are the big ones for BA

[brittle salmon]

death company make up for any other dearth of options, they are crushingly good in melee

helps that their leaders are fucking jacked too

[wide veldt]

Also the way that their guard ass leader options works lets you stack two enhancement having leaders in one unit

Which can make an absolutely turbofucked unit

For death guard

So DG are the guys who are crazy with the visions of their primarch’s death right

Like they’ve just completely lost their shit

[rocky shale]

Sang guard and jump pack assault intercessors are all you need

And blade guard vets

[wide veldt]

That’s fair

[rocky shale]

SM have some of the best melee units in the game

[wide veldt]

Also if I ever collect BA my first order of business is gonna be

Fucking

Putting the angel wings

BACK ON

THE SG

The most sauceless change of all time

[rocky shale]

BA is the character spam faction but this is entirely too many characters

[wide veldt]

Mhm

But they let me

:p

[rocky shale]

You're not even in the character spam detachment XD

[pale narwhal]

age of sigmar stormcast prosecutor wings are sick as hell for sangy guard wings which might be doable (they were in the starter box for aos so might be relatively plentiful)

[wide veldt]

I don’t like having units without leaders!!!

It feels weird!!!!!

[rocky shale]

Step 1: switch detachment to Angelic Inheritors

[wide veldt]

[rocky shale]

Step 2: sorry you're gonna have to throw those bikes out a window. You're blood angels, sanguinary guard are as fast as bikes and also deep strike

[wide veldt]

….. wait

Checks

Oh yeah

They sure are

[rocky shale]

Sell them to the white scars

[wide veldt]

Alright yeah fuck them bikes

Sorry I legitimately didn’t realize they weren’t faster

[rocky shale]

ATV goes too

Company heroes are a wierd u it that doesn't really bring much to the table

105pts for a wierd meat shield with a bunch of random bolters is funky

[wide veldt]

That’s fair I’m gonna be honest I was mostly just looking for different melee guys since I’m not a huge fan of “spam one type of unit”

And they have… actual melee weapons

Should I beef up Dante’s Sang into 6 fellas?

Just worried about them being harder to deep strike with so many

[rocky shale]

The like quintessential blood angels character combos are stuff like dante+sang, lemartes with jump death company, judicar with blade guard

You don't have to deep strike them

They're fast

[wide veldt]

True!

[rocky shale]

You can also just rapid ingress+move+charge

[wide veldt]

I will replace uh

[rocky shale]

You don't really have to spam sangs because they're elite hammer units

[wide veldt]

Company boys and their captain with judiciar and blade guard cause I’m gonna be honest I missed he can embed with them

Which I will blame slightly on space marines having 1 billion hnits

[rocky shale]

You can do like a dante squad + a jump captain squad of 3 or something

Judicar and blade guard is just gross

[pale narwhal]

bikes also care about terrain and can't go through walls and jump packs can

[pale narwhal]

in angelic inheritors or liberator assault group especially it's just obscene

[rocky shale]

Id drop the intercessor squad down to 5 just because there's not a ton of reason to bring them other than sticky

[wide veldt]

Haha scuse me

What the fuck

[rocky shale]

Less relevant than you'd think but it's nice on top of the fights first which is insanely good

Most people are bringing like 5 characters max and many of the will be avoiding your giant blade guard blob

[pale narwhal]

it's really funny if you somehow charge into a large blob of guardsmen with attached characters but otherwise yeah it doesn't often happen (sometimes it does, if you snipe out a character with him before your bladeguard roll their attacks and then next turn you have +1 attack

[wide veldt]

My bad okay yeah I’ll take angelic inheritors

[rocky shale]

Yup

[wide veldt]

That’s

That’s just gross

Alright I have 85 points left to spare

GET THE BIKES BACK IN HERE LETS GO BIKES

:p

[rocky shale]

One thing to think about with list building is how many activations you get in your list. If you're running like 6 max size units with characters then you can only really do 6 things per turn

Or be in 6 places

[wide veldt]

Mhm

[rocky shale]

Then if you lose 2of them, well shit can you even spare anything to do actions

Or if someone stuffs a bunch of chaff in your 400pt blob's face to keep it from doing useful things

Our local BA player runs into this a lot where they have their giant murder blobs and then nothing to actually play the game outside the charge phase

[sour sequoia]

MAX JPI UNITS
MAX JUMP DEATH COMPANY UNITS
MAX DEATH COMPANY DREADS
MAX SANG GUARD UNITS

RAGE CURSED

[wide veldt]

Fair

[sour sequoia]

LIST COMPLETE

[wide veldt]

Second unit of intercessors actually might be something

I can afford them with 85 points

[sour sequoia]

Min JPI squads are viable trading units and fine action units, min sang guard + dante or captains are extremely viable hammers

[rocky shale]

With inheritors you don't necessarily want every single unit to have a character, just the ones who really benefit from your strats and the detachment rule

[wide veldt]

Mhm

[rocky shale]

I.E your big murder sticks

[sour sequoia]

oooh actually if we’re doing inheritors I have a good list

My buddy made goonhammer/tacticaltortoise last weekend with this one for winning the Valley Forged GT

[rocky shale]

When evaluating anything in SM you gotta remember that your army rule is fuck you I reroll all hits

[wide veldt]

Right mym

Mhm

[pale narwhal]

min jpi are like. not quite a staple but very capable trading pieces/action guys

[sour sequoia]

Space Marines
Blood Angels
Angelic Inheritors
Strike Force (2,000 Points)

CHARACTERS

Apothecary (70 Points)
 • Warlord
 • 1x Absolvor bolt pistol
 • 1x Close combat weapon
 • 1x Reductor pistol
 • Enhancements: Prescient Flash

Captain with Jump Pack (75 Points)
 • 1x Hand flamer
 • 1x Power fist

Captain with Jump Pack (75 Points)
 • 1x Plasma pistol
 • 1x Power fist

Captain with Jump Pack (75 Points)
 • 1x Plasma pistol
 • 1x Power fist

Lieutenant with Combi-weapon (95 Points)
 • 1x Combi-weapon
 • 1x Paired combat blades
 • Enhancements: Ordained Sacrifice

The Sanguinor (130 Points)
 • 1x Encarmine broadsword

BATTLELINE

Heavy Intercessor Squad (100 Points)
 • 1x Heavy Intercessor Sergeant
 ◦ 1x Bolt pistol
 ◦ 1x Close combat weapon
 ◦ 1x Heavy bolt rifle
 • 4x Heavy Intercessor
 ◦ 4x Bolt pistol
 ◦ 4x Close combat weapon
 ◦ 3x Heavy bolt rifle
 ◦ 1x Heavy bolter

Intercessor Squad (80 Points)
 • 1x Intercessor Sergeant
 ◦ 1x Astartes grenade launcher
 ◦ 1x Bolt pistol
 ◦ 1x Bolt rifle
 ◦ 1x Power fist
 • 4x Intercessor
 ◦ 4x Bolt pistol
 ◦ 4x Bolt rifle
 ◦ 4x Close combat weapon

OTHER DATASHEETS

Devastator Squad (120 Points)
 • 1x Devastator Sergeant
 ◦ 1x Close combat weapon
 ◦ 1x Combi-weapon
 ◦ 1x Power fist
 • 4x Devastator
 ◦ 4x Bolt pistol
 ◦ 4x Close combat weapon
 ◦ 4x Lascannon

Incursor Squad (80 Points)
 • 1x Incursor Sergeant
 ◦ 1x Bolt pistol
 ◦ 1x Occulus bolt carbine
 ◦ 1x Paired combat blades
 • 4x Incursor
 ◦ 4x Bolt pistol
 ◦ 1x Haywire Mine
 ◦ 4x Occulus bolt carbine
 ◦ 4x Paired combat blades

Sanguinary Guard (125 Points)
 • 3x Sanguinary Guard
 ◦ 2x Angelus boltgun
 ◦ 3x Encarmine blade
 ◦ 1x Inferno pistol
 ◦ 1x Sanguinary Banner

Sanguinary Guard (125 Points)
 • 3x Sanguinary Guard
 ◦ 2x Angelus boltgun
 ◦ 3x Encarmine blade
 ◦ 1x Inferno pistol
 ◦ 1x Sanguinary Banner

Sanguinary Guard (125 Points)
 • 3x Sanguinary Guard
 ◦ 2x Angelus boltgun
 ◦ 3x Encarmine spear
 ◦ 1x Inferno pistol
 ◦ 1x Sanguinary Banner

Scout Squad (70 Points)
 • 1x Scout Sergeant
 ◦ 1x Astartes chainsword
 ◦ 1x Bolt pistol
 ◦ 1x Close combat weapon
 • 4x Scout
 ◦ 4x Bolt pistol
 ◦ 4x Close combat weapon
 ◦ 2x Combat knife
 ◦ 1x Heavy bolter
 ◦ 1x Scout sniper rifle

Vindicator (185 Points)
 • 1x Armoured tracks
 • 1x Demolisher cannon
 • 1x Hunter-killer missile
 • 1x Storm bolter

Vindicator (185 Points)
 • 1x Armoured tracks
 • 1x Demolisher cannon
 • 1x Hunter-killer missile
 • 1x Storm bolter

Vindicator (185 Points)
 • 1x Armoured tracks
 • 1x Demolisher cannon
 • 1x Hunter-killer missile
 • 1x Storm bolter

ALLIED UNITS

Inquisitor Draxus (95 Points)
 • 1x Dirgesinger
 • 1x Power fist
 • 1x Psychic Tempest```

[thin ibex]

3 vindicators. I get it

But it feels so boring lol

[rocky shale]

Triple vindi wowowowow

[wide veldt]

Inquisitor Draxus just

Hanging around

Chilling