Warhammer and Such

[spice flicker]

Working on a king of the colosseum list for tyranids and was wondering how does this look? Should I keep the screamer killer or swap it out for some barbgaunts and von Ryan leapers?

Or swap the screamer killer for a squad or hormagaunts and a 2nd squad of termagaunts.

[broken dew]

https://youtube.com/shorts/koAt7frS2DA?si=Tdkl2ZY3aNvR0w4V

[mental birch]

I assumed its trying to piggyback on the banco cardgames infrastructure

Is why the board is so snakl

Small

[spice flicker]

Oh boy

[runic swallow]

I’m kinda shocked to hear gundam hasn’t had a wargame before

[broken dew]

Gundam famously had a show about fighting using gunpla

[runic swallow]

Unless they do but it was just some niche thing in the 90s

[broken dew]

But that was actually just straight up using your little robot guy for pvp, not a wargame

One of them had the gunpla animated using magic to duel to the death

[mental birch]

I still coping for big gunpla wargame

[broken dew]

Would be sick

[spice flicker]

An actual wargame with factions and such would be interesting.

[mental birch]

I mean federation vs xeon oyw

Issue is the most popular and most recent

[wide veldt]

Fuck it making a Dakka list

Listening to poorhammer talk about that detatchments glory days and I know it’s not the same as it once was but

[valid brook]

The best gundam wargame is Jovian Chronicles: Lightning Strike

[paper bluff]

Of course My friend, they will arrive with eldar exodites

[charred bridge]

Or new named Necrons

[wide veldt]

Maybe…. A woman?

A Necron Lady?

Perhaps???

[floral herald]

This isn't a reason to not get more but the Kill Team leader is one

[wide veldt]

Oh shit the geomancer is a wom

?

I feel like I could be forgiven for not knowing

:p

I mean I kinda appreciate that you can’t tell lmao

[floral herald]

yeah lol

[sonic hare]

🗒️ women have more legs

[floral herald]

I forgot her name but she's a Cryptek who woke up early in reanimation to set things up

[junior summit]

there's a few female necrons out there but they look the same as the rest

[floral herald]

And has realized that once the tomb leaders wake up she'll have to obey them

So she's been sabotaging and hacking the tomb world

So they don't wake up until she manages to loot their treasures and bail on the tomb world

And then she minces some random Deathwatch marines who wandered in

[broken dew]

Based

Slay, queen

[raven meteor]

Average vizier moment

[floral herald]

Genuinely one of my favorite side characters in recent 40k

[wide veldt]

They should make her a named character in the actual game

[paper bluff]

Iirc so is the generic chonomancer

[paper bluff]

There's a trans necon also

Shame Xun'bakyr never even got a forge world model

[charred bridge]

Imagine if we got an Anathrosis model thats my hopium

[charred bridge]

Passage of about necron

Best reaction to learning someone is trans, "I see"

Then talk about warfare

[wide veldt]

LMAO

THATS SO GOOD

Man idk what it is about 40k but I’m like

Fucking obsssesed with embedding a character in every possible unit
Idek if it’s good to do that to literally everything but

[upper canopy]

Its fun

Its like the most Fun part of the whole system

Is naming every dude leading dudes

[wide veldt]

I cannot describe how excited I am to have the OC building system

[rocky shale]

Blood angels player detected

[wide veldt]

They are on the list

Are they really character heavy?

[rocky shale]

They have a detachment that only buffs character units

It's one of their most competetively ones

Granted you probably want to be using some of their epic heroes

[quaint compass]

Emily is The GSC's biggest fan

[rocky shale]

So if you want generic characters it's maybe not the perfect choice

[wide veldt]

I am!!

[quaint compass]

"Why yes I want a character concentration that matches or exceeds the atoms in the known universe."

[wide veldt]

I love GSC

Which is a shame

[rocky shale]

Normal space marines does have one that wants you to just dump a librarian in as many units as possible

[wide veldt]

Because they’re apperantly a fucking nightmare to hobby

[quaint compass]

WE NEED MORE NON-NAMED CHARACTERS
GSC DOES THAT BIGLY

yes

loads of small dudes

[wide veldt]

I don’t get why they’re hard to paint tho

Other than a lot of them

[rocky shale]

Many different materials

And a lot of them

[quaint compass]

Yup

[wide veldt]

Ah okay

[rocky shale]

And detailed models

[quaint compass]

And very detailed textures on everything

[wide veldt]

Just a lot of really high detail models

[rocky shale]

They have random garbage man armor and there are 100 of them and they are detailed

[quaint compass]

Their infantry has more bumps and greebles than any space marine unit

[wide veldt]

Idk why but I assumed it had something to do with their skin lmao

[quaint compass]

:0

[rocky shale]

Skin you can kinds cheat with contrast paint depending on how you want them to look

But yeah GSC, blood angels, space marines in general are all the maximum characters factions

The uhhhh secret winner though is knights

You are bringing 7 models they can all be your OCs

[wide veldt]

GSC is getting named characters (they are named by you it’s the OC book)

[mental birch]

My hopium is Build your own Magos

[paper bluff]

It is true. I even named the house.

[runic swallow]

“Yeah so this one’s Dave, and that’s Theodore, and this is Andrea, and that’s Bobby, and-“

[desert jay]

But do you have an internal court politics relationship diagram for your knight house?

[stark cypress]

raises hand then puts it down

[rocky shale]

My chaos knight house is a bunch of iconoclasts all claiming that they're the one who is clever enough to not be a pawn of the dark gods and instead be using their power to their own ends (they are all compromised in their own ways)

[past sphinx]

looking through old models by WOW njal had a gorgeous paint job for this 5th edition version

[wide veldt]

Me adding a weird boy to a group of boys : hey man get ready to explode probably

A group of 20 boys to be clear

Hilariously because of how psychic works now, more dakka effects shit like firing fucking lasers from your eyes

[runic swallow]

Eye Dakka is da Special Dakka

[sour sequoia]

5th ed space wolves had a fuckin vibe tbh I dont recall as many armies that felt as much like their art

[desert jay]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ly4zdcav/new-maelstrom-detachments-snub-the-dark-gods-and-booby-trap-objectives-for-fun/

It seems the detachments are 2 Chaos Renegade Space Marines, 2 Aeldari Corsairs, 1 Ork Freebooters, and 1 Votann mercs

[floral herald]

Hey I know this one

[desert jay]

No advance and shoot tho, sad Havoc noises

[floral herald]

It’s kinda funny how you go renegade and the first thing you do is toss out that fuckin bullshit “devastator doctrine” nonsense

[soft willow]

You might run out of heavy ammo, but you won't run out of punch.

[desert jay]

But it does get to freely flex between tactical and assault per unit, instead of doctrines being once per round army-wide

[tired cairn]

You might screw up and forget how to hold objectives

Or lose a bunch of people on the fall back before charge lol

[floral herald]

Everyone can do what they want and what they want is never Devastator Doctrine

[junior robin]

If only the votann one was actually merc (for other imperium armies) and not just merc-themed unit synergy

[soft willow]

Looks like Art of War dropped a full review of the Votann one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnIT-_lT6CQ

[jaunty dawn]

I feel like if votann were gonna get a soup detachment it should be for tau before imperium??

I do like the idea of making like 3 leadership tests a turn per unit

For renegades

[desert jay]

Oh it seems Goonhammer has reviews of all 6

[rocky shale]

The eldar one looks awesome

[tired cairn]

How do you get three? Regular plus Default to Doctrine plus ?

[jaunty dawn]

Dark pact in shooting phase dark pact in the fight phase

[tired cairn]

I think the implication of the article is that you lose the dark pact stuff?

[jaunty dawn]

Pshaw I didnt read the article

[tired cairn]

Haha

[jaunty dawn]

But yeah it explicitly says that

Makes sense why they two strong detach rules

[tired cairn]

It would be funny though. Army with the least coherency

[desert jay]

Huron's Marauders steals from guard instead of SM, it has a 1 CP strat to basically give an order to a damned unit

Goonhammer's paraphrase:

Hardened Killers (Battle Tactic, 1 CP) – Used in your Command phase on a DAMNED unit in your army. Pick one effect from : +1 BS, +1 attack on rapid fire weapons, or +1 to saves.

[rocky shale]

https://assets.warhammer-community.com/eng_11-02_warhammer_40000_faction_pack_aeldari-tmtx4nmkgp-ksodwfy7uo.pdf

Eldar get some fun stuff

[desert jay]

Oh wait the faction packs are already out, neato

[desert jay]

Well then, turns out the detachment just gives everything Assault and the article didn't mention it XD

[floral herald]

Oh

[desert jay]

So they don't need no doctrines for advance and shoot

[floral herald]

Revised take: the first thing you do when you go renegade is Devastate then you do the other stuff maybe

[desert jay]

This makes it a really scary detach then

It also has 1 CP Dark Pacts if you really miss lethal/sustained

[rocky shale]

Renegade warband looks fun

The Huron one looks a bit goofy because the detach rule turns off if your Huron dies

[desert jay]

AFAICT you still get the half-strength version without Huron on the field

[rocky shale]

Ohhh

[jaunty dawn]

Makes sense, Tyrants Legion was all about guard/marine soup

Which like its not soup but only because csm is already soup

[floral herald]

Mmm heretic stew

[rocky shale]

Insane

Blast on normal guns

I see how they figured out how to make corsairs good

The strats are insane

[dense idol]

1cp for blast on an entire unit???

[thin ibex]

ooooo

[dense idol]

close enough, welcome back More Dakka

[thin ibex]

mercenary oathbband

[soft willow]

Stance isn't based on banked YP, lots of good all-rounder rules.

Very interesting Votann detachment.

[desert jay]

Yeah but it's also Ork shootin', so mixed bag

[atomic apex]

Oh Withdraw seems pretty nice as a stratagem

[thin ibex]

im not seeing the votann one on warham community?

[jaunty dawn]

blast is attacks right

[thin ibex]

ah its in th downloads just didn't get a community post

[atomic apex]

One extra attack for every five models in target unit

[jaunty dawn]

mm

[rocky shale]

Ruthless killers is what has me going crazy

[atomic apex]

Extra damage is also very sick yeah

[pastel rampart]

https://bsky.app/profile/shinobudonut.bsky.social/post/3mellb4jp7k2e

Shinobu's Donut (@shinobudonut.bsky.social)

Finished my second Kuromi's children rhino,
This one in the purple scheme my Squad leaders are in

#EmperorsChildren #Warhammer40k
#Kuromi

Bluesky · Feb 11, 2026, 1:25 PM

[paper bluff]

Yes

And origin

And it involves a pilot marrying a sister of silence. For she was beautiful and terrible as the dawn that day on terra during the siege

[cinder wraith]

terwain

[pastel rampart]

Oh hell yeah, who made the file?

[cinder wraith]

zorpazorp

its from his terrain stl kickstarter

its ultramarines themed and perfect for world eaters tbh

planning to do a campaign around the 500 worlds narrative using crucible of champions book

[wide veldt]

man sometimes the stuff they decide to legends is

baffling

what do you mean they legends the protag of brutal cunning literally a year after his book came out AND he got a new mini

why

[raven meteor]

Wait they really just Stripped Out dark pacts for renegades
That's amazing
I'll play CSM now

[jaunty dawn]

Oh doesnt one of the csm detachments also give oath of moment

I wonder how they compare

[floral herald]

The black legion one yeah

[jaunty dawn]

Veterans?

Focus of hatred

Your focus of hatred our vendetta

[floral herald]

It’s not bad but it’s outcompeted by some others since it’s kinda basic

[jaunty dawn]

Fair

And the other bits

Strats etc

[pastel rampart]

Oh hey that looks familiar now.

[brittle salmon]

You say this, but Veterans took 1st place at the London GT in 2025

[floral herald]

I wonder if I know the player

[brittle salmon]

Liam VSL, he's a fucking monster

Third win in a row at the LGT

All with CSM

[floral herald]

Nope a different CSM faction specialist haha

What a weird list too

I love seeing comp CSM lists because they’re so frequently Normal Ass Armies which would be pretty at home on any casual table

Or close to it

[brittle salmon]

Yeah lmao

It's a treat

[floral herald]

I think the weirdest thing about this one is the Noise Marines

[deft crest]

Corsair's not letting you take Drukhari is kind of depressing for me who literally just finished voidscarred

Theres a good deal of em in league with the cosairs in lore

[jaunty dawn]

I think like

Idk soup detachments are kinda awkward

Like theres a lot of stuff thats allies in the lore

And the corsair units themselves do bring a decent amount of deldar flavour

[rocky shale]

You can take corsairs in a drukhari list but yeah the specific detachments are craftworld

[jaunty dawn]

Oh huh right

That is kinda weird

I guess is prince yriel craftworld only

[rocky shale]

I imagine they didn't want to step on ynnari's whole deal by making it a massive soup bucket

[wide veldt]

I hope the freebooters and votann mercs are good cause those are my boys

[rocky shale]

Both detachments are available

They both look neat

[wide veldt]

Oh shit where?

[rocky shale]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-40000/

[wide veldt]

Oh the mercs are really fun

[wide veldt]

decided to support new recruit

[rocky shale]

I do too

They're working on a tabletop battles replacement

And have a semi functional crusade army tracker

[mild glen]

A regular customer at my work just... gave me a NIB High Marshall Helbrecht

[soft willow]

Hard to argue with free space marines tbh.

[desert jay]

A little easier to argue when it's free Black Templars

[mild glen]

Black Templars are legitmately the worst. I could probably kitbash it into something.

Cruicible of Champions for a Chapter Master or a Lion El'Johnson proxy for a custom Dark Angels succssor or something

[soft willow]

Even Dorn didn’t like the BTs so no one will blame you for making him part of a cooler chapter.

[mild glen]

(Read: literally any other chapter)

[soft willow]

Plus he comes with a pair of extra servitors you can do shit with too.

[desert jay]

I will admit it is a pretty well-designed model

And there's something about him having a servitor wipe his blade down while it's still impaled in something

[wide veldt]

Waow I found a use for tau strike team
It’s to guard an ethereal sitting on home base the entire game :3

[mild glen]

Yeah. They just sit there with their 30" guns and do incidental spotting/shooting/be ablative wounds for an Etheral.

[wide veldt]

I am having fun building out commanders with the various battlesuit squads in experimental weapons cadre

[wide veldt]

Me having exactly 50 points left over so I guess I’m getting a second ethereal with a hover drone just for shits and giggles

[wide veldt]

Do multiple CP generators stack? Like if I have 3 ethereal do I roll for each one to see if they generate?

[cinder wraith]

no

its once per round iirc

and yes about the last question

you can bring multiple but you can at max gain 2 command points per command phase from the start and a unit ability

[desert jay]

But if something only has like a 4+ to generate 1 CP you may want more than one

[sour sequoia]

Pro: Colin Kay is one of the nicest guys and its cool he digs the North Rockies scene

Con: LeBron James of warhammer keeps rocking up to 30 person GTs to haunt me

[deft crest]

"We don't want to step on toes" Is such a lame thing when its like, Dawg people don't play ynnari for soup they play it because goth elves

I don't wanna play corsairs for soup I wanna play because cool pirates but let me play ALL my pirates

bah

[sour sequoia]

Ynnari mechanics and ynnari flavor venn diagram is entirely separate circles

we can just kill off that detachment please god

[deft crest]

I guess I could just proxy models to fit but

[jaunty dawn]

Like drukhari would make more sense than aspect warriors n shit

[deft crest]

I wouldn't say that, most corsairs in the book have a aspect warrior background, Its not uncommon

but nah yeah

[jaunty dawn]

For sure but like

Theres a difference between aspect warriors becoming corsairs and vice versa

And like fielding entire shrine squads

Vs like half the kabalite roster being literally mercenaries

Idk

[broken dew]

Doesn't help that iirc nothing has happened with Ynnari for a while

[sour sequoia]

Nothing has happened with ynnari since their release, actually

[pine matrix]

I was gonna say, kinda lame they introduced Ynnari as kinda explicitly a "soup" subfraction and then backed down

[thin ibex]

ynnari feel more like a single epic hero gimmick than a real detachment/subfaction

[sour sequoia]

And a marine character is holding the last sword so nothing is ever gonna happen lmaooo

[pine matrix]

Wait who?

[thin ibex]

like does ynnead jesus need to be present at a ynnari battle for it to be an ynnari battle? guess so

[pine matrix]

That's also lame as hell

[sour sequoia]

Fucking Fulgrim lol

[pine matrix]

Oh right, I thought you meant a loyalist

[sour sequoia]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ its a marine

Marines is marines and will never lose or die except to a more loyalist marine

[pine matrix]

But yeah it would have been cool if they introduced some Ynnari specific units other than the 3 heroes

[thin ibex]

complete tangent

[jaunty dawn]

What happens if the ynncarne kills lucius

[pine matrix]

This is how they squat Ynnari

[thin ibex]

great pains are made to tell us about how robby g is not the warrior amongst his primarch brothers; but like... i dont know that any other primarch has gone toe to toe with as many other primarchs and walked away every time

[broken dew]

Quick google search tells me they were last relevant some time in 2017

[sour sequoia]

A decade ago lmfao

[broken dew]

Yeah

[floral herald]

Guilliman is the distraction carnifex of the ultramarines when he takes to the field

[broken dew]

He alone is the paperworked one

[pine matrix]

I think I've mentioned in this thread before but I thought it'd be a cool campaign scenario of Fulgrim Vs Eldar (in general, Ynnari in particular) over the last cronesword

[thin ibex]

tbb i think the ynnari are cool nd they should do stuff with em, but also, the aeldari have a lot of faction dilution and they aren't the space marines. Aeldari, Drukhari, Corsairs, Ynnari. Maybe one day dinosaur riders. And I think there probably just arent enough aeldari players to justify that many things

[broken dew]

Distraction carnifex?

[jaunty dawn]

Is the blade of laer even a cronesword

[floral herald]

It’s an old tyranid strat where you have a big scary bug which draws attention and then use boring units to win the game

[pine matrix]

Nah it's another one of his swords

[thin ibex]

its gman's long con, he's cultivated the "im not really a figher" image to give him an advantage against his brothers because he a secret billy badass

[broken dew]

Ahhh

[broken dew]

Different sword

[floral herald]

At the time the Carnifex was basically the only disposable tyranid big bug

[broken dew]

Makes sense

[jaunty dawn]

Wait no one even mentioned lucius what am I on about

[pine matrix]

You mentioned Lucius lmao, the curse is overtaking you

[broken dew]

Lucius my beloathed

[broken dew]

Ngl this kinda fits Bobby G the demigod of paperwork and tactics

[jaunty dawn]

You posted lucius you are going to lose all your selfhood

Honestly I think fulgrim having it is better odds for the ynnari than it sitting deep in slaanesh's domain

[floral herald]

Yea it’s very in character

[broken dew]

Wonder if the blade stays if they poof him

[floral herald]

He has his (named character) underlings win while he stands on a hill and tries not to die again because all his old brothers will show up to beat his ass

[broken dew]

Or do they need to yoink if from him while he is still alive

[pine matrix]

The premise would be Fulgrim is riding around realspace fucking up Maiden Worlds to flex, Yrvaine is able to whip up some Craftworld and Dark Eldar, plus some Harlequins as always, to kick his tail back to Slaanesh and hopefully claim the cronesword. All the Eldar are waiting to betray and backstab the others, Fulgrim's capriciousness is limiting the patience of his mortal followers, which side snaps first

[jaunty dawn]

But I think like idk ynnari have heads on all the refreshed sprues

[floral herald]

They do yeah

[broken dew]

Phenomenal bait, he is

[floral herald]

Ynnari are the lore explanation for bareheaded aspect warriors

[jaunty dawn]

Like characters dont have to be doing things in every single book release to be considered unabandoned

[broken dew]

He did lose against Fulgrim and Mortarion iirc and got bailed out, not that having to 1v1 a Daemon Primarch as the paperwork guy is a particularly fair fight or anything

[broken dew]

It has been like 9 years since anything Ynnari related happened unless the internet is lying to me tbf

[floral herald]

There’s a funny bit in Lion Son of the Forest where (paraphrasing) Lion notes that Guilliman is too ADHD to be a good dueling because he’s always thinking about broader plans and battles during fights

[broken dew]

Lmao

I actually do kinda like that

[floral herald]

While Lion can shut it all out and just only think about killing the other guy

[pine matrix]

"Bobby we need you to lock in during this duel"

[broken dew]

I mean for asmuch as a Primarch can be distracted i guess

[floral herald]

His perspective is that it’s like a psychological difference for their intended roles

[broken dew]

It's always funny to me when people are like "Guilliman is the worse fighter of the Primarchs"

Cause i always need to remind myself that he is also a Primarch

So the lows are astronomically high

[broken dew]

Which makes a lot of sense frankly

The Primarchs were intended to work together

All of them don't need fight autism some of them can like paperwork or whatever

[pine matrix]

Traitors lost because Pert was a worse planner than Bobby

[floral herald]

He’s also probably not but he’s on the lower end

[pine matrix]

If Bobby had gone traitor and Perty stayed loyal Terra would have been cooked

[broken dew]

Yeah i don't think he's the worst fighter but he's deff not in the upper tier

[floral herald]

Def

[broken dew]

Who would be the worst

[floral herald]

Probably Alpharius

Maybe Lorgar

[broken dew]

My gut reaction is Kurze but that's prolly reading into his legion being shitters too much

[floral herald]

Just in terms of dueling

[broken dew]

Alpharius got shredded by Dorn ye

Funniest fight ever

[floral herald]

Alpharius is a primarchlet and Lorgar’s deal is cultivation power and he was at the beginning of his power curve

[broken dew]

Alpharius trying to explain shit to Dorn

But he is just a brick wall and genuinely doesn't care in any capacity

Honestly i like to imagine Alpharius genuinely had something important and helpful to tell Dorn

[floral herald]

Dorn’s boys founded the Deathwatch for a reason

They’re not reasonable warning takers

[broken dew]

Because it makes it that much funnier that he tried diplomacy on Rogal Dorn

[broken dew]

They watch from death

[pine matrix]

I've wanted to read that book but I fear it'd just get on my nerves, Alpharius is surely smart enough to know Dorm wouldn't listen to him???

[broken dew]

Trying to pull the "lets talk" move on Rogal fucking Dorn is genuinely hilarious to me

He had to have known it wasn't gonna work

It's Dorn

[pine matrix]

Dorn only believed Horus had turned traitor when he had seen a literal demon, iirc

[broken dew]

Dorn is not the "lets think about things" guy

If you want nuanced discussion he's not your man, he's gonna be told to do something and he's gonna do it and he's not gonna think twice

The only thing that shook his resolve that i know of was literally just putting Big E on the fucking throne

If you wanted that discussion you'd wanna go with like, Jaghatai Khan i guess?

Iirc he's not quite so much imperium #1 as he is humanity #1

[pine matrix]

I think they also gave him fatigue with warp fuckery during the siege as well

[broken dew]

Who, Dorn?

He has zero interest in the warp as far as i know

Aside from the fact demons keep popping out of it

[west zealot]

Something that looks big and scary so draws fire, but isn't actually meaningful to your strategy beyond being a distraction

So it's loss it's no big deal

[broken dew]

At least partially Guilliman

His loss would be kind of a big deal

[west zealot]

He's more of the advanced double bluff where it looks like a distraction carni, you consider ignoring it and then realize it just ate your hq

[vital barn]

Gulliman has the benefit that he has literally the most plot armour of anyone and as such nobody ever just kills him

[west zealot]

So now you're focusing it except that was also a trap

[vital barn]

Alphy was fighting in a book written by the Imperial Fists' biggest fan, does not have loyalist plot armour and also has an identical twin so him dying is no biggie

Morty did kill Gulliman and then he got back up due to literally unprecedented Emperor bullshit, which is something you really can't plan for in advance

[broken dew]

Yeah

I did mention this earlier

[broken dew]

^

[vital barn]

like, if you want to live in 40k, make sure nothing that is even sorta like you is available as an ersatz copy to be played on tabletop/talked about in lore

Avatars of Khaine, Titans, the one primarch with an exact clone, Creed retroactively because his kid is just him again

all daemons too, except they don't actually die so it's just a mild worfing in their case

[broken dew]

Poor Avatar's of Khaine

Absolutely worfed no matter who is fighting them

[vital barn]

Jobber is an honest and necessary job title but 40k is really bad at selling it

40k is structurally incapable of producing a Mahoraga, a guy with 0% winrate who everyone still thinks is cool

[broken dew]

Fight of the century between an Avatar of Khaine and a singular normal Squat that didn't get eaten by the Nids

[broken dew]

Yeah...

[broken dew]

The strongest war god of history vs. The only remaining squat because the nids ate literally all of the others to a man and didn't leave any survivors, not even one

Still mad funny that the nids just ate all of the Squats so we could have Leagues of Votann

[deft crest]

This is a really weird take because on the one hand I don't fully disagree but on the other you don't make more players by doing NOTHING

[thin ibex]

very true, for me its just one of those xenos things where like

they arent space marines

[deft crest]

If you like elves but don't like Craftworlders or Pain lovers than you are looking for something else

And clowns is only what

[junior robin]

if only they would expand Haemonculi covens so I could give gw my money

[deft crest]

6 different units?

[thin ibex]

and frankly, there is a limit on how many sub factions/factions you can support with their own lines of models and rules

and xenos often take the hit before marines ever do

[floral herald]

Eldar are also the most popular non space marine faction iirc

[thin ibex]

like its the same thought ppl have about specific regiment models for the guard; lot of those are gone now

[deft crest]

We just got Krieg boxes lmao

[thin ibex]

We dont have steel legion, we dont have valhallans, we dont have vostroyans, we don't have elysians, we don't have chem dogs

[deft crest]

Idk I'm losing the thread quickly here

[thin ibex]

we dont have mordians

[deft crest]

I think it'd be weird for the humans to get more sub sub factions than the xenos have Period

And they STILL do

[thin ibex]

to be clear, I think aeldari should have more faction presentation; I just think they won't get it

[deft crest]

Ah ok.

My read on the conversation may have been off.

[floral herald]

Savlar never had models

[main pagoda]

attlian rough riders was a nice surprise when they came out

[atomic apex]

As long as marines have more stuff than several of the less populated codexes combined, I feel like xenos can have more stuff

[thin ibex]

like id trade a lot of marine content to get more xenos faction rep

[deft crest]

I wouldn't even ask that tbh

[floral herald]

The thing is that business wise the space marines pay for so many other models is the tricky part

[deft crest]

I think marines have enough trouble not looking like the same 4 units

[vital barn]

the non-Marine imperial factions aren't exactly drowning in releases either, honestly

[deft crest]

I just want them to stop legending existing stuff tbh

[atomic apex]

True, just in general would be nice if non marines got more focus

[vital barn]

they're doing fine, nobody is going to cry for Guard and their pretty new range, but it's like Ultramarines>other Space marines>power gap>rest of imperium>xenos

[deft crest]

It hasn't reached AoS levels of BS

But I'm looking at my planes and shit and going "Come the fuck on"

[thin ibex]

xenos players have generally been pretty comfy just living the life of 'we'll get something eventually' and to be honest its been better in the last few cycles

im excited about the new tau heroes

[vital barn]

helps that the new models are almost universally total bangers

[thin ibex]

yeah

[deft crest]

I'm very happy with the fact that drukhari have gotten some love.

[vital barn]

Nekrosor looks great, new Tau look good enough to make even me consider a little bit of battlesuit in my life, the entire GSC range is nothing but hits

[floral herald]

If there’s a faction which really does need more it’s Drukhari though

[deft crest]

I still have to build my venoms and clown venoms.

[thin ibex]

kinda hoping they get new grotesques

[deft crest]

because i'm running the 5050 list

[floral herald]

80% of their range is from 5e and they’ve net lost models since then

(Albeit almost entirely from removing the court of the archon)

[atomic apex]

Yeah but then the question also becomes how much of that is a cycle of marines getting popular because they're so pushed, and so on

[thin ibex]

yeah, drukhari i think are the single faction that most needs love, nto counting Votann; but thats cause htey're new and have a limited range

[deft crest]

btw i know flyers are like Pretty not liked but when they are used to most people use them in hover mode?

I'm really struggling to figure out why you'd pick hover

-# Side note i just found out that you can't fly razorwings in Aeronautica imperialis

[main pagoda]

yeah i think they had just added CW when it got shit canned?

[raven meteor]

Hover lets them deploy and function like regular units with fly, while using the basic aircraft rules forces them to both deploy and move in an extremely strange way, iirc

[pine matrix]

Dark Eldar need more stuff and not just need character models, I think they should make Trueborn their own unit, real fancy Kabalites

Like Tau, you could go crazy with having weird xenos mercenaries for Dark Eldar

[thin ibex]

hover lets you bring em in turn one and you dont have to be forced to move

[deft crest]

gotcha

[thin ibex]

easier to get beenfit of big firepower early; but yeah there are def trade offs

the main thing is that most flyers have to deliver so much more killing power htan they actually bring in order to make up for having no OC and costing as many points as they do

they can still be fun and enable some interesting plays though

and some transport ones still see some big play

[atomic apex]

because it just makes them a flying unit with 20" movement you can move normally
instead of having to work around the aircraft rules

aircraft need to move minimum 20" forward each turn, and can only move in straight lines and pivot 90 degree at the end
if they move off the map they go back into reserves

[rocky shale]

You also can't really hide aircraft or get them cover

And being zero OC makes their speed a lot less useful because they can go places fast but can't hold objectives or do secondaries, so they're just a gun that is fast.

[tired cairn]

The flight rules are very strict so it's hard to do anything but go in a very particular square unless you use hover

[spice flicker]

Which CSM detachment should I use for a king of the colosseum game?

[tired cairn]

My lukewarm take is they should just nix the fly rules and balance planes around only having hover (and maybe give them deepstrike and uppy-downy)

[thin ibex]

the main benefit for flying is kinda ignoring ruins and being able to violate lone up distances easily

so they can kinda make picks, if they get lucky

i like bombers but like, they were too strong, so now they cost way to much

[fossil violet]

Is Voidscarred a good Killteam to get into

[floral herald]

Yes

[atomic apex]

They're pretty nice I think

Free Dash is amazing

[floral herald]

Flexible, fun, good all rounders

Not super technical like some of the elfteams

(Harlequins and Mandrakes are the really technical ones)

[atomic apex]

You also get some fun units like the Shade Runner and Starstorm Duelist

A lot of Silent weapons too, to play defensive

[fossil violet]

Ok rad thank you, I was leaning pretty heavily toward them because they seemed fairly straightforward with some fun stuff

[floral herald]

That’s an accurate assessment

They’re legit the favorite team of one of the guys on mountainside tabletop too

[tranquil ivy]

gonna be throwing a new weapon on my stupid fucking daughter wish me luck

(specifically a Heavy Bolter from the Devastator kit)

aka this

it feels more clunky which would look nice

[tranquil ivy]

for context, she's part of my Company heroes bodyguard unit

[jaunty dawn]

Ooh nice

[tranquil ivy]

Im still working on the Ancient

thank fuck I have spare blades

[broken dew]

i usually chip the shit out of my blades or the tip snaps off

[tranquil ivy]

gonna spoiler it real quick actually cuz rusty blade

[broken dew]

yeah the one i'm currently using has the end snapped off it

[tranquil ivy]

the edge of mine chipped off too, yea

[broken dew]

i've got a metric fuck ton of spares though

i've got like 30 spare blades

and that's having used this hobby knife and the blades i got with it since like, 2019 or so

[tranquil ivy]

i got mine from the warhammer store because, well

i couldnt find em anywhere else

[broken dew]

i think i bought mine cheap online somewhere

[tranquil ivy]

and trust me, i tried

[broken dew]

not the best thing ever but it does its job

no worse than my chipped ass nippers or rusty drillbits

honestly i do kinda need to replace my nippers, they have, seen better days

[tranquil ivy]

mmm rusty clippers

mmm humid home

[broken dew]

Ain't no godhands i'll tell you that much

[tranquil ivy]

lmao

[broken dew]

tried to cut clear plastic with em one time

the clear plastic won

[floral herald]

Jfc

[broken dew]

don't fw clear plastic

it was sent by the devil to kill your nippers

[tranquil ivy]

I am literally just walking my dog

[jaunty dawn]

Doggg

[wide veldt]

oh wow new recruit updates fast

already have the new detatchments

[rocky shale]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/s/JN1Eej2Kgf

[junior summit]

specialism?

that's not a word

[tranquil ivy]

inside you there are two wolves

one craves the flesh of the nearest hive city

figure out which one that is

[past sphinx]

the best loyalist kit released in years is a chaos kit

[wide veldt]

https://www.newrecruit.eu/app/list/rS23u

made votann mercs

probably too many characters but i cant help myself

units feel naked without a leader

[pine matrix]

This paint scheme was so sick, I'd love to do something similar

[tranquil ivy]

chat i just caught a glimpse of some leaks for the new rules for making characters

can...can i mention it here

[raven meteor]

Already done for you pixel

[tranquil ivy]

oh okay

well

YOU CAN MAKE A LITERAL NECROMANCER

PSYKER + APOTHECARY ABILITY

A NECROMANCER

THATS LIT AS FUCK

A moderator just called me "One of the most suave kitbashers on the server" in a 40k server with nearly 23k people

this was the mini i posted

chat im very happy today

[wide veldt]

Also I love the model rules for this

“Hey man please use space marine models for space marines”

[raven meteor]

For my own popoff-
ITS ALL I WANTED AND MORE
Custom Eviscerator units and a PARAON WARSUIT LEADER??

[broken dew]

👀

i definitely wanna see if i can recreate some of my custom chapter lads with this

[tranquil ivy]

I can make Kulve with it

(Thunder Hammer reflavored to a devwounds possessed chain axe and Servo Arm) so im sure you can

[broken dew]

mayhaps i can make it so my chapter master doesn't have to fucking proxy over a centurion

[past sphinx]

good friend of mine did a mini swap with me

hes really come a long way, very proud of his work on this one

[broken dew]

godsdamn that's nice

[wide veldt]

Holy shit you can make named magos

Finally

My OC Bawl

Can hit the scene

[tranquil ivy]

PLUG ANOTHER DREADNOUGHT RATED ARTILLERY CANNON DIRECTLY INTO MY BRAINSTEM

[wide veldt]

He can invent secondaris marines

[tranquil ivy]

Tertiarius marines

[wide veldt]

OH MY GOD

the champions guys have a secondary type that lets them be embedded into

REALLY weird units

Like a magos embedded into skystalkers

[tranquil ivy]

These crusade rules are genuinely some of the best things 10th has brought over

[past sphinx]

hes my boy even if he is cringe

[tranquil ivy]

because we can play them outside of campaigns if both sides agree

it's genuinely a character creator which is heavenly for us Kitbashers

[broken dew]

ok actually this probably will not fix my chapter master cause the whole problem with him is his elite guard are in dogshit refurbished saturnine, and the problem i had was that saturnines are kind of big and i need a model with a big base to proxy them on

[wide veldt]

GOD DAMN ADMECH BABY

Just unconditional hit reroll is p crazy

[tranquil ivy]

Terminator Squad + Character with Terminator upgrade?

[broken dew]

the problem is mainly size

chapter master is in Tartaros while his guards are in Saturnine

this picture is better cause it actually shows Tartaros size

[tranquil ivy]

well shit

[broken dew]

i mean maybe i could swing saturnines on a 40mm but i dooooon't think so

[tranquil ivy]

Try it

what have ya got to lose? :]

[wide veldt]

Shame the leaks is just imperium

[tranquil ivy]

Emily

would you be happy to hear i have the other ones

[broken dew]

well no options for shield but i'd be taking terminator option anyway so he'd get some tankiness

[tranquil ivy]

like death guard, world eaters, votann

etc

[tranquil ivy]

mhm. we like our tanky boys

[broken dew]

pretty sure i've shown him off before but my boy is built ford tough

[wide veldt]

Please

Gimme

Do u have Necrons

Wiggling

[wide veldt]

OPHIDIAN DESTROYER LORD REAL

[tranquil ivy]

i guide others to a treasure I cannot possess....

[wide veldt]

FLAYER LORD

[thin ibex]

ive learned that steeljack gunman fucking shred pretty much anything

[wide veldt]

WHAT THE TUCK

[wide veldt]

Also ooo baby a 2+ save?

[tranquil ivy]

you can have up to 3 champions

[broken dew]

wait for the weapons on SM, it says "up to one ranged weapon" "up to two pistols" and "one or two melee weapons", how many of those do you get to pick per character

[wide veldt]

Okay I can kinda see why this is “people at the table should agree on this supplement being used”

[tranquil ivy]

Your first two weapons are free, any others are +5pts

thats what i read

[broken dew]

oh ok that makes sense

[wide veldt]

Ye

[broken dew]

well for Abachyle i'd probably do two power fists and two hand flamers i guess

[tranquil ivy]

so for example Kulve will have a bolt pistol, servo arm and thunder hammer

thats +5pts to her overall character

[broken dew]

big man has two power fists and two flamers attached to the power fists so that'd be that i guess

[tranquil ivy]

you can use that, yea

two inferno pistols/hand flamers and two power fists

[broken dew]

this seems neat anyhow

[tranquil ivy]

its genuinely awesome and im very excited

[wide veldt]

IG lets you make a special bone’ead

[broken dew]

i'd probably do adamantine will for the ability since Abachyle leads only the sturdiest of lads

[wide veldt]

Oh my god

Crucible of champs

[tranquil ivy]

like i said

this is genuinely fucking amazing

[wide veldt]

Lets you make a commander in broadside battlesuit

[tranquil ivy]

CORRECT

THE OG XV-88 RETURNS, CHAT

rail rifle + missile pods yippee

[broken dew]

ah yes

[wide veldt]

No no

[broken dew]

armoured feet

[wide veldt]

You can have 3 rail rifles

[broken dew]

my favourite weapon

[wide veldt]

On one guy

[tranquil ivy]

LMAO

[broken dew]

lmao

seems reasonable

[tranquil ivy]

THE OG OG BROADSIDE

[broken dew]

i'm sure your opponent will have no issues with this

[tranquil ivy]

two rail rifles on the shoulders. one in its hands

[wide veldt]

I HEARD THIS MECH WAS CALLED A BROADSIDE AND I STOPPED LISTENING

I WILL KILL GOD

[tranquil ivy]

LETS FUCKING GOOOOO

Hear me out

Experimental Prototype Cadre

triple rail rifle Broadside

its so fucking fitting

[broken dew]

ngl i do fr feel the need to actually go learn da rules now, this seems like so much fun and i wanna properly comprehend it

[vital barn]

genestealer cult can go absolutely wild and put 20pts of extra weapons on a random guard chump

three hand flamers, a power saw, an injector claw and a demo charge

[tranquil ivy]

you too can make your own mutants

got a fucking genestealer cultist in a vat like some old lego superhero game

just make your own

[broken dew]

peak

honestly

[tranquil ivy]

games workshop makes a good system
asked to return to the function

[vital barn]

I choose to believe that power saw + triple hand flamer is just the one panel where Denji Chainsawman is entirely covered in burning fuel to fend off the villain of the week

[broken dew]

based

tomorrow i will go download some 40k rules into my brain and revisit this

seems really fun tho

[wide veldt]

Only thing I’m sad about is that in 40k proper I think these are legends-y

Where u have to have permission

To use them

[tranquil ivy]

yup

you do

BUT

[wide veldt]

And they won’t be tournament legal as such

[tranquil ivy]

the people that bitch about it are the same people that think you need 3 layers of paint and a paint job forged by the nosehairs of the gods to get extra points

no offense to anyone that actually dislikes these rules

but like

come on

let a man make his character

[broken dew]

i would be playing these guys with the utmost flavor ngl

[wide veldt]

I kinda get why they are tournament illegal tho

3 rail rifles

Yknow

[tranquil ivy]

i mean, im flavoring a devwounds thunder hammer as a possessed chain axe

[tranquil ivy]

yeah i absolutely understand thanks to some of the busted shit

but personally imma use this for flavor

[broken dew]

how many of these dudes where you allowed in an army

[tranquil ivy]

3

[broken dew]

fair enough

[tranquil ivy]

they arent epic heroes which is nice

[broken dew]

oh i could actually make fucking Kaerastes with this

[tranquil ivy]

oh?

do tell

[broken dew]

Jump pack and narthecium can be put on the same model

i can make my boy

[tranquil ivy]

yup

OH FUCK YEAH

[broken dew]

jump pack medic still my most inspired idea

[tranquil ivy]

see what i mean

you can make some lit stuff

[wide veldt]

Dynastic Conquerer + Living Metal + My Will be Done + Particle Caster and Voidscythe

For my OC matriarch

[tranquil ivy]

:3

[wide veldt]

And then I gotta make her Cryptek Brother that convinced her to actually get the robot shit done to their dynasty when she was considering rebelling against it

(I gotta look deeper into necron lore to figure out the circumstances of the necrontyr getting de-tyred)

But I assume it was largely voluntary

[broken dew]

i'd probably do Abachyle Phayne(Chapter Master), Kaerastes Vohkh(Lead Apothecary) and Wolfrahm Zecht(Master of the Forge)

[broken dew]

yeah basically

aside from uh

Orikan who said it was a scam

[wide veldt]

… so why is he

Uh

[broken dew]

actually i think he was the only guy who didn't want it

[wide veldt]

Not

Alive

[broken dew]

look

if your entire race is going to go become immortal

[broken dew]

and you're the ONE guy who says "this is a fucking scam do not do this"

that sort of

doesn't really work

[wide veldt]

Fair

Yeah that was her position but her brother convinced her it would be fine

((It wasn’t))

[broken dew]

from what i can tell there is also some fuzzy stuff regarding this

[wide veldt]

Although it was more like

Convinced her the silent king would slaughter everyone to a man

If they didn’t do it

Which was the vibe I got from his lore lmao

[broken dew]

i think Trazyn has said he was opposed to Cawl at one point and got taken in chains, but then Orikan has said that Trazyn actually stopped Orikan from dipping and dodging and dragged him into it in chains so

i'm gonna settle on a respectable "we don't really know" and leave it at that

[raven meteor]

According to the wiki, he was 'driven by loyalty'
So I assume after making his play and seeeing that Everyone Doesn't Care he went like
'well'
'I'm not just gonna roll over and die out of spite while everyone I know does this'

[broken dew]

regardless i don't exactly think not doing biotransference was an option on account of there being absolutely no Necrontyr anywhere, that could just be time though i guess considering how shit their living quality was

[vital barn]

I'm looking forward to making fucked up GSC assassins with four different weapons and a demo charge

[broken dew]

also keep in mind that The Deceiver was the guy who told them to do this

[wide veldt]

Of course yes

The Trustworthy

[broken dew]

well i mean

he is The Deciever specifically for the reason of making them all do Biotransference

[raven meteor]

Oh wow I
Missed this on first glance
Having a paragon warsuit leading a pair of Mortifiers is fascinating

[broken dew]

oh wait does this mean you can have a Paragon leading a bunch of Anchorites

[raven meteor]

Is this anything

[raven meteor]

Alas, only one mortifier per unit can be an anchorite
That's why you usually see mortifiers deployed solo

[broken dew]

dang

[raven meteor]

It's like a simulacrum imperalis situation

[broken dew]

having a paragon warsuit with two anchorites would be sick as hell tho

[raven meteor]

A one per unit addon

You CAN do Reliquant Knight, Anchorite, regular mortifier

[broken dew]

yeah that would still be pretty cool

but the Anchorites are just so fucking sick with the damn iron maiden coffins

[wide veldt]

I’m fascinated what nids will look like

Honestly it’s the most flavorful for them

Random horseshit bioforms

[broken dew]

random bullshit go

[wide veldt]

The hive mind be like

I’m already addicted to this system wtf

[tranquil ivy]

[they saw that you can lead Carnifexes]

[paper bluff]

Actually, if I remember the lore correctly, there was a guy who became a destroyer Lord in the twice dead king books, whose job was to go out in ghost arcs and harvest unwilling people to throw on the bio furnace

[wide veldt]

Man the Warhammer Reddit community is a real downer huh

Already seeing people call this uninspired lmao

[tranquil ivy]

lmao people are stupid

reddit is reddit

[broken dew]

imagine having fun

[tranquil ivy]

remember
if it isnt meta, it isnt cool grr

[floral herald]

Call what uninspired?

[tranquil ivy]

the new system for making champions

[paper bluff]

By the way, I got a theory about those bio furnaces. I think the process that happened was kind of like necrodermis, but the nanites that were being converted were Gray goo-ing the meat of the necrotyr to make the Metal body. The meat was used as the fuel for the nanites

[floral herald]

Oh, how much have we seen?

[tranquil ivy]

because i guess since all the equipment and such is premade?

[wide veldt]

The whole book

[tranquil ivy]

Basically the whole thing

[wide veldt]

At this point

[floral herald]

oh cool

I should take a look

[wide veldt]

The whole thing leaked, see above

[floral herald]

This is sending me

[tranquil ivy]

i have access to basically every single faction's options if you want a look

[wide veldt]

Ask pixel if there’s any xenos factions u wanna see, they have the whole thing

Yeag

[floral herald]

Y'all forgot your roots it's been like this since the 90s

[wide veldt]

It’s not like

Unlimited

[tranquil ivy]

I just posted them in dms in case i get hunted down by a lictor for leaking

[tranquil ivy]

but the options are vast

[wide veldt]

But I saw people bitching that there’s no custom ethereal

[tranquil ivy]

like Necrons here

[wide veldt]

And there’s ONLY stealth suits battle suits and Kroot leaders for yay

*Tau

Which I say to them that

[tranquil ivy]

Tau stuff in question

[floral herald]

wow

feels like 4e

[wide veldt]

Honestly ethereal are the least customisable leader of all time tbh

[tranquil ivy]

Is that a good thing?

[floral herald]

https://tenor.com/view/anton-ego-gif-9709800945809453150

[wide veldt]

There’s basically no evidence for any ethereals not being like

[tranquil ivy]

its a good thing, chat

[wide veldt]

Exactly what’s on the existing statblock

[floral herald]

I started playing 40k near the end of 4e

[tranquil ivy]

If you have any other factions you want to peek at lmk

[floral herald]

Any chaos please

[tranquil ivy]

got it

gimme a minute

[floral herald]

thanks!

[tranquil ivy]

oh wait

wait wait wait

i got em wrong

[wide veldt]

Okay now that being said I would love to see an ethereal who is more like the prophet prelate from that one halo book

Who was like a weird psychic ninja

[floral herald]

Wow some real blasts from the past here

[tranquil ivy]

bruh

Im gonna crash out

let me recheck my sources so they arent jumbled up

[wide veldt]

The ability to dedicate ur daemons rocks

Also

My nurgle chariot

[tranquil ivy]

Emperor's Children

Death Guard

Thousand Sons

World Eaters

here's the main 4 sorted

CSM

@floral herald Here's the ACTUAL DAEMON stuff

sorry for the inconvenience

i got mixed up

but its all fixed

[floral herald]

Ooh

Thanks!

Daemons stuff looks sick

[tranquil ivy]

Mhm, it gets a whopping three pages

[floral herald]

I like the messed up terminator lords you can make too

[wide veldt]

YEAH YOU CAN PUT THEM ON ROT FLIES

ROT FLIEEEEES

[floral herald]

Very whacky weapon options

[tranquil ivy]

Sorry again for getting mixed up lmao

[floral herald]

It’s all good

[tranquil ivy]

So its safe to say i can post the leaked stuff then

thank god

fucking hell the tzeentch charioteer is 12"

and it has fly

what the hell

<- Has never played Chaos

[floral herald]

Here’s the model for fantasy

[tranquil ivy]

that explain a lot actually

[floral herald]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/6/68/BurningChariotwithHerald.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130227205738

Substantially more normal looking guy on one

[tranquil ivy]

mhm

I've never seen them but i bet khorne chariots have the roman style spikes on the wheels

[wide veldt]

Also amused there’s no undivided option

Furthering the “this should be 4 armies”

[tranquil ivy]

fuck you
chaos

muehehe

[floral herald]

There’s never really been much in the way of undivided daemons

CSM got some way back when and there’s belakor

[wide veldt]

Undivided is much more a fantasy concept yeah

[floral herald]

The idea though for chaos daemons as an army is that they represented when the gods got their shit together or at least stopped tweaking one another’s noses long enough to do joint ops

But it was always sorta weird

[tranquil ivy]

Khorne daemons forced to work with Tzeentch sorcerers

millions dead, and it wasnt the enemy

friendly fire was impressive that day

[wide veldt]

OH MY GOD

YOU CAN GIVE THE IG COMMANDER A HORSE

FINALLY A MOUNTED OFFICER

FUCK

Oh my god the frontline officer gets the 2 orders issued a turn

[tranquil ivy]

:3

[wide veldt]

Finally my idea of horse guy that just sprints around giving orders is real

[raven meteor]

I am deeply pleased by how much this opens up yes
The main issue for me is finding TTS models for my blorbos

[atomic apex]

real

Tau getting a Broadside commander is pretty cool

And stealth suits too

[sour sequoia]

The thing telling me GW knows this is getting abandoned in <4 months is the points cost of a broadside commander who still has fly and gets three railguns

[atomic apex]

yeah it does feel like you can give them some pretty rough gun loadouts

[mental birch]

6 lascannon shots on a sub 150 points charachter is finr

Clealry

[sour sequoia]

They literally obliterated the primus competitively to reprint him in the casual format where he’s going to be dropping big knights for 1CP

[mental birch]

Hahaha

[sour sequoia]

Look I believe knights players deserve to suffer for their sins too but. Cmon. We can fix the ctan meta. Reactivate Host of Ascension. Gimme my rerolls.

[vital barn]

you can also get Sanctus 2

in fact all your custom characters can have one and a half sanctus knives

[jaunty dawn]

This is way more extensive than I expected tbh

I would also love it if this is what finally got people to play non tournament stuff haha

[sour sequoia]

I fully expect this to be core in 11th but man its a rough draft

[tranquil ivy]

hrggg i want to play with these new rules now

[wide veldt]

I mean no offense but GW literally only puts out rough drafts and fixes them in post

So this is very standard

3 rail cannons is funny but isn’t as busted as fucking
Aeldari fate point dev wounds

[sour sequoia]

I mean no offense either but I promise I’m aware, been playing since 5th :p

[wide veldt]

👍

[sour sequoia]

I was there for release grey knights and have had to tolerate khaldor draigo lmao this is leagues better than other things they’ve done even in 10th

Its also one I look at and almost reflexively go “nah I dont wanna deal with this even in crusade” at least what’s printed

[wide veldt]

Fair

Thankfully u can just not

I do agree this is def just like

A test

For how it’s just straight up gonna work in 11

Which is good

[wide veldt]

holy shit

[wide veldt]

making a pirate orks list

i know hes legend but i gotta

[runic swallow]

Damn the Freebootaz aren’t a thing anymore?

[wide veldt]

they just got a detatchment

but he specifically is legends

[pine matrix]

Kinda weird Dark Eldar only get two stat sheets and if you want an Archon, you take it as a specialism :/ no chance of a Archon on a bike or skyboard, or flying with scourges

Being permanently empowered for Pain abilities is pretty nuts, though

[mental birch]

Grot Revolutionary Commitee

Lets goo

[pine matrix]

Just got my first 3d printed piece of terrain delivered from a friend of mine, its so peem

[floral herald]

That sorta makes sense lore wise at least since the bikers and skyboarders and scourges aren’t in Kabals

I think it’s a little silly to do mechanically

[jaunty dawn]

Flying humunculus is a pretty cool concept

[pine matrix]

Yeah, I guess it's another expression of DEldar's limited model selection in that being a Kabalites makes you automatically an on foot unit

Why can't I have my Archon in a fancy hover throne, or leading a squad of Scourges

[floral herald]

Idk about the hover throne but for scourges they are an independent band of very exclusive mercenaries so that at least makes sense to me

Since they’re not like Incubi where they make very good bodyguards

Drukhari do really need a range refresh though

[sour sequoia]

Its 2006 drukhari need a range refresh

Its 2016 drukhari need a range refresh

Its 2026 drukhari need the same range refresh

[pine matrix]

I imagine the "3 subfactions in one faction" and is a tough design limit to work around but I also think Dark Eldar have a lot of unexplored space! Like I said yesterday with weird xenos mercs, but even if you wanted to keep it Eldar only (rip to the Court and Beastmasters), I think there's a lot you could do even if it meant expanding the definitions of Kabals, Cults or Covens

[pastel rampart]

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[jaunty dawn]

The thing about the subfactions is like

9e did a decent amount to actually support the subfaction concept by like, letting you take veteran units etc

And even then it was still a problem

[floral herald]

I kinda… don’t like the subtraction stuff for dark eldar

I think it splits them up in weird ways and feels sort of unnatural to me

Like it was just added in the subfaction literally everyone era

[jaunty dawn]

Mm

Oh I didnt realise it was a thing in 8e

Which is like

Kinda why they split them up I guess

But yeah it got kinda weird with stuff like grey knights i feel

But it doesnt really translate to the detachment system very well and like. The detachment system kinda also means its not necessary anymore anyway

[floral herald]

I agree

[jaunty dawn]

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[floral herald]

Oh

That is a good look

[jaunty dawn]

Its really cool

[pastel rampart]

Fur on top of power armor always looks cool.

[broken dew]

yeah fur on power armor always fucks

[pine matrix]

Hmm, hadn't really thought about it that way, I think I got interested in Dark Eldar around 9th edition, so subfactions always kinda seemed like their main identity?

And yeah, with detachments we can kind of get away from that specifically

I was kinda hoping for a proper refresh when their codex came out but alas, I think we may be stuck with this roster for the foreseeable future

[jaunty dawn]

Cause I didnt say it explicitly; the issue was basically that in 8e every codex added subfactions (like space marine chapters) to the army list. But dark eldar were an army that hadnt ever had that mechanic and lore before, unlike craftworlds or ork clans. There was lore for stuff like the Cult of Strife, but that doesn’t really work as a subfaction for the whole army. So they split the codex into three, and allowed you to pick a subfaction for each of the three wings seperately.

[spice flicker]

What are some of your favorite hidden gems units in 40k? By that i mean units that you dont see fielded often but like to run for one reason or another?

[pine matrix]

Yeah, makes sense. I think just decoupling that whole thing would be the best way to open up the design space

And would also let me have an Archon on a jetbike :)

You can't tell me only the Wych cults have a motorpool

Kabalites have a yacht club, wyches have a motorpool, covens rideshare

Coven transport that's just a big flesh worm

[thin ibex]

i realized my mind works in silly ways, ebcause i saw the broadside commander

and i didn't think '3 railguns"

i thought '3 seekers, one shooting phase and retire'

or other silly things, like 3 pulse blasters

5" move, 10" range

[jaunty dawn]

Dont exist anymore but in late 9e i really enjoyed celestians in boarding actions

Cause you could take a special weapon and a heavy weapon in a minimum size squad

And then they hit on 2s as long as you kept them by your character

It wasnt a huge thing but it was kinda neat in that format

[spice flicker]

Sounds like it

[thin ibex]

i like to run the HBC riptide, its objectively worse, but occassionally it can do some real work at elite slaying

[tranquil ivy]

new system for making characters is lit ngl

partner her with a 6 man bladeguard brick and thats Sustained Hits on all the swords

rerolling wound rolls of 1 and adding 1 to wound rolls too

at the cost of 100 points, though

[wide veldt]

How’d y make this

[quaint compass]

Game-Datacards dot eu

And the leaked crucible rules

[tranquil ivy]

^

[still warren]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/0riglbkl/grove-guardian-by-alarielle-the-new-scent-of-life-in-ghyran/

Model team does not miss

[past sphinx]

TAKE A SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIP

[pastel rampart]

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x-ray gone WRONG

[past sphinx]

is njal good?

no

but by god hes gonna lead some grey hunters

[paper bluff]

I'm still so d*** jealous of age of sigmar

[pine matrix]

That's so fucking slick holy

[junior robin]

decided to check his rule only to discover long fangs are gone 😭

[broken dew]

are these guys chaos

[floral herald]

Yeah

[broken dew]

thought so

they have the old style of backpack and horns

you don't really see horns on loyalists

except the single ones on the black dragons maybe

[past sphinx]

but the legends rule allows you to take all plasma cannons

the book just tells you to use hell blasters and such

the fucking cowards

[mental birch]

Guess wjo won these xombats

Lol

[vital barn]

RIP assault marines

dread seems hard to kill with ursas so I'd say that could go either way

[mental birch]

6 power fists

Ursas won barely

Hahahah

[mental birch]

S8 babbbyyy

[vital barn]

nice

I admit mine are all claws purely to be cheap

[mental birch]

Fists are free

[vital barn]

did I totally miss that?

they used to cost points

hrmm

[mental birch]

In 3e they free

[vital barn]

they do cost a lot of attacks but maybe I can go halves

or at least four fists

[mental birch]

I take 2 units of claws and 1 unit of fistd

[mental birch]

Funniest bit is if he sat back and fed a unit a turn to the mid objective he would have won

The game

[dense sedge]

How important are brute and alt weapon boxes in necromunda, thibking og joining a game

[mental birch]

I mean optimally iys how many lasguns!?

[runic swallow]

Well, it’s kinda to use to represent your gang getting new gear, since you upgrade your gang overtime

[charred bridge]

I don't remember this novel

[stark cypress]

It honestly would be so funny if Cain has a book with an entire Abhuman regiment.

[charred bridge]

Cain, even Jurgen can see your wife Amberley disapproves of your new abhuman girlfriend

[pulsar cairn]

I like how the Inquisitor lady likes Cain

[runic swallow]

Yeah their relationship is fun

[paper bluff]

He already had a book with astartes

[pulsar cairn]

didnt he impress an Astartes?

[bright dove]

Held off a Khorne Berserker in hand to hand combat long enough for the guy to get melta'd

Still probably his most impressive feat.

[pulsar cairn]

that is indeed impressive

was it Jurgen's Melta?

[bright dove]

Yep.

[pulsar cairn]

classic

[mild glen]

As much as Cain shits on himself, he's sincerely an excellent swordsman

[charred bridge]

It serves him well, considering how like all the novels end with him in close quarters and his gun disarmed