This is also such a funny operative
#Warhammer and Such
atomic apex
they do seem like they have some crazy mobility with Boosts too
wide veldt
okay also note on tempestus aquilons: im mad they didn't just go for the existing tempestus guys but thats basically because they add nothing to IG in 40k lmao
atomic apex
This is also such a funny operative
yeah the kidnap is very funny
wide veldt
also sidenote
i love the lore for
the mines
being like "yeah okay battlefields in 40k are just full of mines and no one remembers where they put them
floral herald
Wait hoooooly shit
wide veldt
wyrmblade also funny
sanctus boys
hmmm
do yall think kasrkin is a good starting point
at least for reading and making a list
floral herald
Up until recently I’d have said no but they seem good now
atomic apex
they are much better now after the balance patch
it was kinda wild reading the errata to Kasrkin, they just got so many buffs across the board and restrictions removed
wide veldt
As in 40k my interests are very broad lol
So I’m probably gonna spend the next little bit making a kill team list for a bunch of guys
I am definitely more attracted to the teams that have the customization
atomic apex
it was kinda wild reading the errata to Kasrkin, they just got so many buffs acr...
like the Sergeant getting you double orders as long as its alive
and then also being able to give another order to a guy
floral herald
FWIW unless you play angels of death kill team has no real listbuilding
But you can make rosters for practice or matchups anyway
wide veldt
Mhm
atomic apex
it was kinda wild reading the errata to Kasrkin, they just got so many buffs acr...
also Kasrkin getting to double shoot now is a huge boost to their output
floral herald
Huge bonus yeah
GW has been cautious with them this ed since they were demons last edition
wide veldt
Oh yeah I guess with the list tailoring stuff
You don’t really have a preset list
That you come in with
You just bring all ur guys
floral herald
It’s still worth making “lists” like “vs elites” and “vs hordes” setups
And if you’re running a limited roster it’s good to plan which models to make
atomic apex
you choose your models each game yeah
so you can tailor things to your opponents faction
wide veldt
Time for the new IG kill team of one (1) leman Russ
floral herald
Bringing back Objective Team into the new edition lol
(Objective Team was a joke about the meta last edition which involved scoring a lot of VP with cautious minimal interaction with the opponent)
jaunty dawn
okay also note on tempestus aquilons: im mad they didn't just go for the existin...
Yeah its a bit weird that they were like “stormtroopers but they use grav chutes!” When thats already what regular stormtroopers do since they removed all the other options
wide veldt
jaunty dawn
The models are really nice thoughhh
wide veldt
jesus christ hot is a harsh version of hazardous
atomic apex
somewhat
jaunty dawn
atomic apex
it's not as bad as it seems
because a lot of models that have a weapon with Hot, also hit on 3+
jaunty dawn
This is what I did with mine though I never finished. I did more than this though but didnt take photos pops
atomic apex
so it's only gonna deal 1-2 damage 33% of the time
and the charged profiled are usually pretty good
atomic apex
Piercing is very strong, yeah
there's a reason most lists have limited access to piercing guns
jaunty dawn
Right yes
atomic apex
though plasma guns usually get higher normal damage and Lethal 5+ on charged
floral herald
Plasma doesn’t get Piercing 2 anymore yeah
jaunty dawn
I forgorrr
floral herald
I’ve been playing Deathwatch so plasma rules are etched in my mind haha
atomic apex
Pierce 2 is pretty rare
it's usually only on melta type guns now
jaunty dawn
Mm
floral herald
Heavy plasma incinerator goes brrrrr
Why the fuck is this allowed
(Can also shoot twice for 3 AP and potentially give it Devastating 1 or blast 1”)
atomic apex
the special ammo is so funny
floral herald
We loaded it with Extra Hot Hydrogen
atomic apex
I do kinda love how almost every list has "the obligatory gunner model, with no special rules other than getting to take a plasma or melta"
which admitteld is really good
floral herald
Man I wanna play Murderwing so bad
I love chaos space marines
I hope they’re but busted like the internet says
wide veldt
DEVASTING 4 ON A MELTA SEEMS P GOOD
floral herald
Yeah good melta rolls just evaporate anything
jaunty dawn
Kroot get a melta with torrent :)
But yeah its tricky to use. I think they in general do better on the indoor maps
atomic apex
Kroot get a melta with torrent :)
that's gonna go crazy in close quarter maps
atomic apex
big sniper....
the sniper mechanical niche is usually big Devastating
junior summit
the various pistols of kills you instantly are very funny
admech has a bunch of fairly normal guns and then the magos has a DAoT doohickey
floral herald
I like the Insidiant Superior’s nefarious device
Though honestly I think most of the time you’ll take the Relic Stakethrower
jaunty dawn
Pretty tasty
jaunty dawn
Yeah she shouts at you
atomic apex
they do seem like they fuck up Psykers real bad
tepid stratus
Wait wtf *hard seek*??
Damn, that's only like the 4th true seek weapon in the game
floral herald
Yeah it’s so rare!
Murderwing also has a Loud One
But they do it totally differently lol
jaunty dawn
Scaryy
floral herald
Murderwing seem fucking crazy
tepid stratus
An apl debuffer that also just kills you is wild
floral herald
Murderwing have a really wild number of random chip damage options
Especially for models which feel like they wanna be locked in melee?
floral herald
Yeah, and they have kind of mid damage for elites
So there’s reason to soften people up
Interesting team for sure
Very tactile and midrange
raven meteor
I really like the vibe on the two Insidiant sword girls
Mortisanctus and uh
The other one
Abjurer?
floral herald
Insidiants have really grown on me once I stopped reading their rules wrong
raven meteor
They do kinda feel like
Like
'We want to do another sister killteam'
'but'
'we already have Novitiates for Normal Sister Vibes'
'uhhhhhhj'
'fuck'
'just give them a random anti psyker rule and we can call them witch hunters'
Like
The whole anti psyker thing is both over the top and bolted on/not relevant
And they sort of just practically are a 'normal' sister squad
junior summit
It can't be a huge portion of power budget because otherwise they end up against aquilons or tau and cry
jaunty dawn
Idk sword and pistol isnt usually a sisters thing
On feet
But it is an option for novitiates
So its kinda odd
pastel rampart
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And now distributors are starting to run out.
jaunty dawn
Oof
pastel rampart
Not sure if anyone is going to step up to replace it.
raven meteor
Idk sword and pistol isnt usually a sisters thing
Hand flamer and chainsword sisters I beg 🙏
jaunty dawn
Can take two hand flamers but no chainswords yeah
Chainswords in general are like
Weirdly restricted
Its like just the canonness and sister superiors
raven meteor
Bloody Rose deserves more melee sisters 🥺
jaunty dawn
Mhm mhm
raven meteor
I want to see an Evisecerator in the hands of someone other than a repentia honestly
The Jump Canonness is sick but also a very niche character unit yknow
floral herald
It’s honestly a little weird the jump canoness gets one
jaunty dawn
It was historically an option
In 8e index at least
And in witch hunters they werent stopped from taking them from the armoury
(Palatines exist as well, its kinda fun. They were the captain equivalent for the Heroine profile)
pale narwhal
I would love more eviscerators in general
random human militia with eviscerators, chaos cultists with an eviscerator special weapon, an option for an eviscerator in an assault squad
jaunty dawn
The last one is real,
Not in primaris unforchy
But the last assault squad sprue was like one of the only eviscerators in the whole range
Possibly the only?
Not counting metal repentia, that is
raven meteor
I would love more eviscerators in general
random human militia with eviscerator...
Jakhals get chain greatweapons, right?
jaunty dawn
Jakhals and goremongers
Not power weapons tho
I thinn heresy goes the same route of having two handed chainswords/axes but theyre just Heavy Chainswords
raven meteor
I thinn heresy goes the same route of having two handed chainswords/axes but the...
tbh that's an eviscerator in all but name
I know proper evis have power fields but they're largely just Chain Greatswords
stark cypress
chainstilletodagger
raven meteor
This reminds me
Yesterday I learned the Emperor Of Mankind has a katana locked up somewhere and the Imperium makes weeb blademaster assassins that use 'the forbidden blade arts of the old pan-pacific'
vital barn
adamus assassins have literally never had good rules
so katanas are not overpowered in 30k, as a matter of fact
raven meteor
As I told my groupchat when I figured this out:
Fair punishment for being one of the settings that does 'katanas are a one handed weapon'
mental birch
drone kink
raven meteor
What is going on in a Skitarii's head seems more prone to Writers Making Shit Up than even 40k's usual egregious standard
Like the Mechanicus games have them just, like
Talk
They're people with wires in them that talk and think and stuff
But then there's stuff like this where they're basically an RTS unit
mental birch
But then there's stuff like this where they're basically an RTS unit
This is from the 30k reelease of battle pilgrims
charred bridge
What is going on in a Skitarii's head seems more prone to Writers Making Shit Up...
Its very much writers did whatever they want vibes wise. My headcanon to justify this is Skitarii vary so much in terms of autonomy, intelligence, and personality cause theres a very wide demand for all kinds of Skiitari from tech priests.
Some want theirs to be dumb drones so they can remote control micromanage them with 0 unpredictability.
Some might want them smart enough to know how to fight better than their handler but obey commands.
Some tech priest might want theirs very intelligence and independent so they can send them out on their own to do a task while the tech priest focuses on something else.
dense sedge
This reminds me
Yesterday I learned the Emperor Of Mankind has a katana locked u...
I’ve never met anyone who thinks adamus are interesting, how’d they make ninja swordmasters boring
I quite like venin, infocyte, and anti psyker assassins myself
desert jay
Because the Adamus get like 0 spotlight
There's a lot of things you could do with the concept, and they've done almost nothing with it
main pagoda
Think the main temple's are just infinitely cooler than dude with sword
Even dude with sniper is cooler
jaunty dawn
Yeah
Like hes basically just an assassin of being an assassin
I really like the poison assasin though
jaunty dawn
I think the adamus would be better if they had made him even more dude with sword, actually
Oh but they were just trying to remake an old model
And the problem is that all the more generic assassin dudes are also based on that guy
Like syn skin sword and pistol is kinda everywhere
pine matrix
So I've been thinking about getting into Necromunda, reading around the rules I see it's recommended to start with one of the regular houses, but I'm very interested in the Squats, as a first gang are they a difficult start?
main pagoda
depends on what you mean by difficult, theres not much that seperates squats from a standard house gang unlike some of the more wacky gangs
pine matrix
The eternal adage! Thanks, just wanted to make sure
jaunty dawn
I think especially in necromunda you kinda need some intrinsic motivation to keep it going and making your dudes is a big part of that
main pagoda
yeah, though there are some where i wouldn't say it should be your first gang eg spire hunters
pine matrix
"How do you do fellow gangs" I say, unpacking my Malstrain Genestealers
main pagoda
malstrain are weird but they are atleast somewhat gang like
venators and spire boys are just a different ball game
pastel rampart
upper canopy
Another banger Giant, Slim, gj
pastel rampart
The rod for it is rather loose tho, so I'm gonna have to find a metal nut or something to glue on the inside.
It's supposed to be used in conjunction with a motor so that's to be expected.
green gulch
Y'all. My girlfriend is insane.
She bought me something as a valentines day present
pine matrix
Aww, that's so sweet!
pine matrix
I remember null necrons.
The Pariahs?
green gulch
Aww, that's so sweet!
Ive never built or painted warhammer.
But we're gonna learn together (not on the Blissbound warband)
pastel rampart
If you need any tips feel free to ask, lots of us have experience painting.
green gulch
Well I've already decided to get a box of tormentors to practice on
little bay
you know what she wants
green gulch
I will not say anything nsfw, but yes I do. We already did it
little bay
it was a joke i did not expect you to confirm it
green gulch
Rylanor is such a goated character
little bay
yep
little bay
you seen that one comic of fulgrim which goes i can't mansplain my way out so manslaughter it is?
green gulch
Yup
past sphinx
pine matrix
Were there any loyalist night lords by the time of the heresy or were they all murder lords by that point
onyx elm
past sphinx
Were there any loyalist night lords by the time of the heresy or were they all m...
Several one even becoming a founding member of the Gray knights
And no doubt dozens more though for probably less than noble reasons
Probably just cause they wanted to kill other night lords
Or maybe super Nobel reason tbh
A legiom of contradiction
pine matrix
That'd be a cool angle, I think, a night lord who is as much of skinning, backstabbing bastard but basically is betting that the loyalists are going to win
Or actually buys into Curze's bullshit, and doubles down when his primarch turns traitor "he's obviously strayed from his own wisdom"
past sphinx
Right side of the war for every single wrong reason
pine matrix
Yeeeeep
Guy with a cloak made from human faces: "ah another world into wise compliance :)"
past sphinx
Nightlords flexed on other legions due to how few civilian and military casualties they had per conquered world
The most human legion
Suck it salamanders
pine matrix
A fine example of the priesthood of mars
mental birch
Also Cybernetic Bloodborn boss
pine matrix
I'd trust that guy to take a look at the weird noise my car is making
jaunty dawn
Looks great!!!!
spice flicker
What might be a fun army to do king of the colosseum with in your opinion?
pastel rampart
junior robin
dove back into 3rd ed more, forgot how fun it was to plan out armies in it and also discovered that the 3.5 IG codex lets you basically run a skitarii army by giving all infantry +4/++6 save.
not sure it's worth it since it will cost 40pts per unit 
pastel rampart
I got clocked as a warhammer player at home depot lmao
tired cairn
not sure it's worth it since it will cost 40pts per unit <:fine:7620811797040988...
What was a space marine's ppm in that edition?
junior robin
15 for a tactical
pastel rampart
3rd is a lot of fun to fuck around in. Not balanced worth a damn but it's like 2e ot 4th/5th WHFB. You're in it for the vibes.
junior robin
so 10 marines for 150pts vs 10 "skitarii ™ " for 100
pastel rampart
I do think 4th was the better game rules-wise and you could absolutely have a more balanced game by using the 4th ed rules with 3rd ed codices (which for some armies was all they could do).
tired cairn
so 10 marines for 150pts vs 10 "skitarii ™ " for 100
Oh, that's less bad. Is a normal unit 5 models then?
Wait, I am now confused at what 40 pts of fake-skitarii gets you 😅
junior robin
40pts gets you carapace armour (4+ save) and cybernetics (6++ save)
tired cairn
Oh, that's not on a per-model basis. I get it now
junior robin
like the skitarii from their first codex
tired cairn
Though, the ratio isn't terrible. In 10th, Primaris Intercessors are 160 points for 10, whereas Skitarii are 85-95 for 10. And you get more wounds on the Primaris than on the old tac marines
(Though I don't know how popular Intercessors are in 10th)
junior robin
another hilarious thing you can do is give a unit WS 4 and las pistol+ccw for 33pts
tired cairn
That's equivalent to 3+ roughly?
floral herald
That's equivalent to 3+ roughly?
It’s the same yeah
pastel rampart
It should be noted that the IG 3.5 'dex also had restricted troops so if you went for these alternate army compositions you had to 'buy back' those units. And considering you only have 5 doctrine points to spend it can get a little tight on what you want to add or lose.
junior robin
I sort of went with a non optimal combo: enginseer (obviously) storm trooper and grenadiers (lets you have 0-3 ST as troops) and carapace armour/bionics ( so non-ST also gets more skitarii-like)
because its for a silly 1000pts army thing and wanted to not have to use 2 full platoons.
thought might go with orks or chaos
pastel rampart
The wording on Grenadier and Restricted Troops gets a little funky, looking at it.
Now, obviously within the spirit of the game taking Grenadier means you can take Storm Troopers because like, yeah duh but a real asshole rules lawyer would go "🤓 um achktually you can't take storm troopers without also spending a doctrine point on them hneerh hneerh."
junior robin
I had the exact same train of thoughts last night 
jaunty dawn
Idk theyre kinda different squads
pastel rampart
Anyone who'd advocate for that needs to be shoved into a locker, especially for a long-dead edition.
jaunty dawn
Like you cant take elite storm troopers that do the special rules
Which is fair enough
pastel rampart
You can't but also deep strike and infiltrate were specific to mission rules so of a unit could do it but the mission said they can't, well.
junior robin
you also had to pay 1 point for each
pastel rampart
Yup.
You had to pay for frag and krak grenades, separately, which is still wild to me (and something they did away with in 4th).
junior robin
love how basic space marine veterans are, for 3 more pts you get : +1 Ld, the option to take bolt pistol+ccw instead of a bolter and the option to get terminator honours (+1 attack) for 10 pts per model.
pastel rampart
And rarely worth the points cost.
fossil violet
reading up on killteam and looking at the 11 models I've completed for my 2000 point 40k army since October... being able to play a game with one box of guys sounding pretty good rn
floral herald
Kill team is a ton of fun
junior robin
csm veterans also cost 3 pts more but they get: option to take 2 heavy or 2 assault weapons, infiltrator for free in mission allows it and can be used as troops in a chaos unaligned army 👀
pulsar cairn
are veterans like...same as a chaos space marine but with better stats? or do they get actual neat stuff?
floral herald
csm veterans also cost 3 pts more but they get: option to take 2 heavy or 2 assa...
Was this back when Chosen had a weird army limit?
Or was that a codex older
floral herald
Aha
pastel rampart
I loved the possession mechanic in CSM back then.
Pick an aspiring champion. At some point during the battle he explodes and turns into a greater daemon.
Nyooooooooom
pastel rampart
Also got this in the mail. Death Ray Designs, normally $50, got it for $4 off of ebay.
spice flicker
Should I lean more towards vanguard, crusher stampede, or endless swarm for a king of the colosseum tyranid list?
The two lists I was considering at the moment.
mental birch
spice flicker
Thats a beaut
spice flicker
Who?
vital barn
an incredible deep cut combination of two things I like here
spice flicker
Ah
pale narwhal
just finished a killteam tournament. Two losses and a bye, but I learnt things and had fun so I'm calling that a win. I stayed loyal to my battleclade, and if I hadn't forgotten a ploy, would have narrowly won the second game (Prioritised Acquisition would have let me compile and upload Data (crit op) for 3pts. Instead the opponent shot my technoarchaologist off and uploaded to cinch the win by two (2) points
will never forget it again 🤣
little bay
just finished a killteam tournament. Two losses and a bye, but I learnt things a...
a techpriest enjoyer?
i like you even more now
charred bridge
an incredible deep cut combination of two things I like here
What a weird crossover
charred bridge
little bay
Shes been based
nice thing
little bay
Pasqual does not care for such customs
mental birch
So does it acheive bloodborn boss vibes?
charred bridge
Pasqual does not care for such customs
He does care for customs, rite of cleansing is important and this is probably the largest body of clean fresh water on the ship
little bay
i meant such customs as the boys bathing alone
pale narwhal
a techpriest enjoyer?
Always
I started a mechanicus army in 8e but never got around to collecting more
Battleclade is my way of continuing that in spirit
little bay
cool
little bay
Always
I started a mechanicus army in 8e but never got around to collecting mor...
you ever played warhammer 40k wrath and glory?
pale narwhal
I have not, no
every other warhammer ttrpg, but not wrath and glory
little bay
unfortunate
it has two mechanicus classes
skitarii
and techpriest
as a skitarii you can't bleed
and as a techpriest you get some easier time working with maschines and their spirits
little bay
also you get a mechadendrite and two augments in the beginning
personally i like the mechanical legs and lung
since you get faster
and resistance to air based poisons or diseases
raven meteor
There's also a popular third party expansion that adds tons more
When I was reading it over I really liked the Logos and Sicarian Ruststalker
The Logos gets to buy Divination psyker powers but they don't count as psyker powers and they roll Investigation to use them
They also only take Shock on a bad failure as opposed to the I assume horrible nonsense that can be all a psyker
And the Ruststalker gets Skitarii stuff but more geared towards melee + is a tier higher
little bay
i see
raven meteor
(the content pack is called A Abundance Of Apocrypha)
little bay
useful
floral herald
stark cypress
raven meteor
My ass if you get me painting minis
quaint compass
That's me except from overdiluting my paints instead
desert jay
20 very thin coats
quaint compass
Pooling in the recesses 😌
stark cypress
🎵pooling in the recesses
these panel lines, so unreal🎵
pastel rampart
tbf this is just how painting was for a long-ass time for newbies unless you read a magazine or someone taught you.
In relative timespan to the hobby, video tutorials are newish; it's not until the pandemic kept everyone home that it really exploded, and that's still within the realm of a niche hobby.
past sphinx
i remeber trying to get fucking answers on forum posts
how did you do that sword effect?
stark cypress
How do I thin paint?!
past sphinx
"oh yeah i just used these two colors"
"no HOW did you do that"
"with these two colors"
"their you minis just paint them however you like" < third person in the thread who will know nothing in their lives
broken dew
Nah i'd paint
I do have some intercessors and cron warriors at home to test on, time to reinvent some techniques
thin ibex
i kinda use paint straight from the pot, mostly cause as a color blind person its the only way for me to keep the color consistent, barring very precise measurements
thin ibex
aside from the core right?
little bay
yep
junior robin
genestealer cults in 3e are sort of underwhelming compared to their later return, hybrids are elite or troop leaders, troop choice are either IG or initiates with ws/bs of 2+ for 4 pts and all vehicles (except limousines) got to troll 2d6 after moving and breaks down on a 2...
pastel rampart
Yeah cults were just not good. Flavorful, but otherwise not worth it.
junior robin
it is a bit sad that their rules talks about how orks can be infected but give no special rules for it...
and now I want to get some eldar war walkers to use as sentinels for a eldar GSC army
pastel rampart
I don't think orks have had hybrid rules since...shit, maybe 2e?
pastel rampart
They were in Space Hulk 1st ed, at least.
Oh wow okay I think the last time they had rules was first edition with the Freebooterz book.
junior robin
the goodest oldest days
pastel rampart
https://nurgle.stelio.net/Flies and Dice/Ork Genestealer Hybrids.pdf which, yeah that's 1e alright. Check out the extra stats.
junior robin
also chaos orks
jaunty dawn
Flavour is when you roll dice to see if you get bad stuff and the badder the stuff and the more dice you roll the more flavourful it is
(Im not even being that facetious, its the reason why csm is among the most fun 10e armies)
junior robin
that just leaves more 3e for me 😋
jaunty dawn
Has anyone talked about custom units in tyranids yett
tired cairn
Someone went 5-0 in a tournament using a Harridan in "Subterranean" assault lol
jaunty dawn
Just cause biocannons?
tired cairn
I guess you can also easily get it where you need to shoot
Very funny such a large thing coming out of Ravener holes though lol
jaunty dawn
Omg can it
tired cairn
I don't think there are any rules that say a Harridan can't play basketball come through a tunnel
jaunty dawn
Wilddd
tired cairn
They probably weren't thinking about the forgeworld Titans lol
little bay
nice creatures
desert jay
They probably weren't thinking about the forgeworld Titans lol
Hey it’s not legends!
jaunty dawn
Ive thought about getting a harridan
tired cairn
Hey it’s not legends!
That doesn't mean they thought about it 😛
jaunty dawn
I like how you can model it with gargoyles
Although the gargoyles are oldgoyles i think
tired cairn
That would make sense
junior robin
I like the concept of mutable species in tyranids but agree that being able to give them venomcannons might have been a bad idea
tired cairn
It is so funny it can carry Gargoyels. Because you know, they are so slow and immobile XD
Oh hey, you can have the Winged Tyranid Prime holding on too
jaunty dawn
Yeah they added that since it can lead gargoyle squads
tired cairn
Why doesn't it have the Vanguard Organism tag
jaunty dawn
But yeah tbf it was designed for massive apocalypse boards and possibly restricted deep strike
Because it wasnt updated for the codex that invented the tag 😔
Did any other codex do that
Like just make a bunch of tags for detachments to work off mostly
tired cairn
Pretty sure they did yeah?
junior robin
~~Why doesn't it have the Vanguard Organism tag~~
because then you could use it in a GSC army
jaunty dawn
Csm a little with damned
tired cairn
because then you could use it in a GSC army <:fine:762081179704098876>
I don't see the problem here
jaunty dawn
I guess with tyranids its like, the amount of tags they made
And that they kinda like
tired cairn
Ah, they might have done it the most to Tyranids?
jaunty dawn
Idk maybe it stands out more with tyranids cause they dont have to&e to draw the tags from
tired cairn
I think they even retrofitted a tag after the codex for Subterranean Assault?
jaunty dawn
Yeah Im not sure about that
tired cairn
They added Vanguard Organism to the big worms post-codex iirc
jaunty dawn
If they did that or if it was unused till it was released
I think so, as like an explicit internal balance update type thing
tired cairn
And people felt they fit the theme of the detachment
Looks like Burrowers were not in the codex
jaunty dawn
Wild
little bay
hey ya
tired cairn
Oh, right, they big worms get the keyword from the detachment lol:
Mawloc and Trygon units from your army
have the Burrower keyword
little bay
what books should i get for warhammer 40k wrath and glory
tired cairn
I think only Revenors have the keyword natively because of when the updated versions were released
Just Core is enough to start with
tired cairn
haha, any particular interests?
jaunty dawn
I like the concept of mutable species in tyranids but agree that being able to g...
Tbf for the most part tyranids were kinda cool cause you could give pretty much any weapon to any bug and the stats would adapt. Mostly.
As much as anything worked at least
I also liked the weapon and hive node options cause theyre kinda fun to think about
Like warriors with their 1/3 heavy weapon etc it kinda makes sense
tired cairn
They had a rule where ranged weapon strength was based on model strength
But you could give a venom cannon to a gaunt with the subspecies rules
jaunty dawn
Another 3e thing that was kiiiinda cool was because drop pod models didnt exist and were barely a tinkle in fw’s eye at the time space marines just had a rule where a drop pod assault was just giving your army deep strike
tired cairn
It looked a bit silly:
jaunty dawn
It might have been half I dont remember,,,, but there was also an alt tyranid list for having them drop in myectic spores
pastel rampart
🤓 Drop pod models DID exist it was just through Epicast, a non-GW miniatures company.
jaunty dawn
Wild
pastel rampart
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/9/9b/Ork_Drop_Pod_Mini.png Orks had one too!
Literally a damn soup can with a funnel on top.
jaunty dawn
It looked a bit silly:
A more involved conversion could make a cool tiny venom cannon I think 🥺
jaunty dawn
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/9/9b/Ork_Drop_Pod_Mini.png Orks had...
What they took from you
jaunty dawn
Hehe yeah thats kinda fun
pastel rampart
https://web.archive.org/web/20070812032134/http://www.epicast.com/index.php?mode=page&page=lostandbanned They produced a fair few models.
jaunty dawn
Though now Im imagining the same concept but its tyranid centipede
little bay
This one is really cute:
They're buddies :D
pastel rampart
Honestly I like a lot of the Armorcast and Epicast stuff, it's got this 90s charm to'em you don't see anymore.
Thankfully people have recreated them via STLs, to varying degrees of good.
desert jay
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/9/9b/Ork_Drop_Pod_Mini.png Orks had...
About what I expect an Ork drop pod to look like
pastel rampart
Most of'em were shit too lmao
https://celestial-questors.neocities.org/Blogpost2 https://celestial-questors.neocities.org/Blogpost3 Ah right someone went about remaking it and casting their own.
thin ibex
what was the utility of the harridan in that list?
is it just that it was big and fast
atomic apex
the guns on it aren't bad tbh
paper bluff
I think I'd really enjoy playing a wrath and glory game, but I don't want to be the one running it. But it seems like the only way one's ever going to be ran in my area is if I run it
thin ibex
It's the curse, to play a game you gotta run it most times
raven meteor
Indeed 😔
I am trying to repay my karmic debt by running two games at once but it isn't working :c :c :c :c
floral herald
I'm annoyed how hard it is to 1 box Murderwing
tired cairn
Modern kill teams: one boxable unless they aren't
Do you mean with magnetization or having a decent selection with just the models you make?
floral herald
kinda both
A bunch of the bodies make 2 specialists
So even if you magnetize the bodies you can't run all combinations
I have some unbuilt old Raptors I can cannibalize but idk if I want to
I might just pick the ones I like more and get another box when it releases tbh
I think I can just use the old rapto bodies though
pale narwhal
Modern kill teams: one boxable unless they aren't
Blades of Khaine is a four box team if you want all the options
tired cairn
There are various levels, yeah. Like a reasonable selection vs all the options
floral herald
yeah, for all options they're pretty fucked up though
You have:
- Agents (2 boxes - hard to magnetize because all bodies make 2 specialists)
- Death Korps
- Exaction
- Breacher
- Kasrkin
- Sisters of Silence
- Scions
I don't know the instructions well enough to know if any of those boxes need to be 2 boxed for all options
But they're potentially a 9+ box team
paper bluff
Is there a SoS kill team?
floral herald
Is there a SoS kill team?
They can be used as auxiliaries for Inquisitorial Agents but cannot be taken as their own team
(Same with Scions)
paper bluff
You know, there are inquisitiors that are psykers but idk of any that are blanks
stark cypress
Yeah
Like in Ciaphas Cain, Jurgen helped out a lot
but was forgotten
except by Cain and Amberly
paper bluff
I bet they end up in that one assassin temple mostly
Do it would take an inquisitor finding a young enough blank and take then on as a protégé
And that's rare on top of rare
past sphinx
i feed them blood claws
pastel rampart
mental birch
Deathwing knights are truly absurd
Ypu either ignore them or sink evrryrhing
dense siren
sour sequoia
Deathwing knights are truly absurd
I’ve found like two units that kill efficiently and its fuckin metamorph biophagus packages and then like… tau fireblade + breachers
Those two units laugh at DWK, Skitarii have funny tricks to make them never matter but they still won’t die
thin ibex
i was rolling big dawg steeljacks with disintegrators
even did the thing to give em sus hits 2, +1 to wound, and reroll 1's to wound
sour sequoia
You need like mass str 5 and +1 to wound or rerolls which is a weird bracket
thin ibex
If they weren't playing wrath of the rock, would've been much better for me
dense sedge
I’ve found like two units that kill efficiently and its fuckin metamorph biophag...
Go biosanctic I guess
Although admittedly I use more abberants blobs than biophsgus ones
sour sequoia
Go biosanctic I guess
You can but abbies lose power into them a bunch as well. The thing that helps there is really that abbies beat the living dogshit out of grampa lion
Metas+bio+truck just Does Its Thing in every GSC detach ever
I’m becoming a final day junkie at this point I think Biosanctic gives up too much of what the army is good at
mental birch
I'm 90 models into the 100 painted models pledge
jaunty dawn
Hell yeah! Nice!
hollow laurelBOT
so i know 40k doesn't really work at 500 points anymore (and hasn't for multiple editions), but for a lil tyranid starter, does:
Hyperadapted Raveners
Winged Prime
3x VRL
3x VRL
3xVRL
Lictor
seem like a reasonable (vanguard invader) lot to run? Feels like it would be fun.
(also is almost every tyranid unit i own)
pulsar cairn
does the guard have their version of chaplains? like...i think there were some irl in ww2, dont think they were anything like space marine chaplains tho
little bay
trauma based hallucinations?
jaunty dawn
<:vicksyHmm:996566512431288390> does the guard have their version of chaplains?...
Its what missonaries attached to the regiment are meant to do theoretically
pulsar cairn
right
pastel rampart
I'd say so!
sour sequoia
This is super fun I think you did great
spice flicker
Are armigers acceptable in king of the colosseum?
paper bluff
pale narwhal
so i know 40k doesn't really work at 500 points anymore (and hasn't for multiple...
That seems like a fun list to me. Might struggle without any shooting.
I believe the fanmade King of the Colosseum ruleset is 500pts and generally is regarded as pretty good
hollow laurelBOT
Yeah colloseum has been recommended to me a lot. I'm more in it for fun than winning so as long as I can get in to melee I'll be having a great time.
Tyranids are kinda in a spot for me where I think they're really cool until I have to look at a tyranid gun
(Though, some of those still slap)
pale narwhal
The casino cannon comes to mind
paper bluff
I kinda want it
little bay
I kinda want it
"even in debt i still serve"
upper canopy
floral herald
Lmao
pine matrix
Fuck, all the new malestorm shit is up for preorder next week, I'm gonna be eating ice soup for a while
rocky shale
Yeah I'm hoping I can nab that corsair box
wide veldt
Mmmm
Tau
Man it’s a shame that the science detatch for Votann is kinda ass
Or at least is really restrictive
rocky shale
Man it’s a shame that the science detatch for Votann is kinda ass
Hearthfyre Arsenal ?
rocky shale
The ironmaster can lead the battleline unit to give them the keyword as well
atomic apex
steeljacks are also pretty good fortunately, as are the Thunderkyn
rocky shale
But yeah it's mostly a "cares about your heavy infantry" detachment
wide veldt
Steel jacks are robots yes
rocky shale
Votann only have like one unit per role so when a detachment focuses on a specific role it's gonna be pretty narrow
wide veldt
Fair
atomic apex
Steel jacks are robots yes
they are iron kin, which are robots yes
rocky shale
There's one that cares basically just about your terminator equivalent and khals
wide veldt
So when you have a detatchment like that is it like
rocky shale
And the one that is just nothing but berserkers
rocky shale
Yeah
rocky shale
Most of your vehicles are just transports anyways
atomic apex
just almost always for Leagues
rocky shale
And the hekaton is just good no matter what
atomic apex
it's a tank that's also a big transport
and can actually transport steeljacks and Thunderkyn
rocky shale
There are some exceptions to that rule for really big ranges, like aspect host Aeldari brings almost nothing but aspect warriors
But that's because there are like 10 different options
You also have to see how heavily the strategems are skewed towards the keywords. Some have a skewed detschment rule but fairly flexible strats
thin ibex
im a big fan of votann's brandfast for a dedidcated mechanized list; and it really helps with votann's natural slowness
currently playing needgard cause its flavor works real well for me
i keep staying stuck in hostile takeover cause i spend all my YP
also, i definitely should run the zerks as axemen
they aren't that good against vehicles with the mauls ive learned
i guess ill keep em as hammer men for now, in order to get crusade benefits
raven meteor
You know what amuses me about the Votann
Their greatweapon melee units called Berserks
Are miners who are only incidentally fighting.....
Why are you called that.....
wide veldt
Those miners go fucking crazy dude
raven meteor
I wish the melee steeljacks got those big plasma axes
soft willow
Would be a pretty sick conversion though.
floral herald
Why are you called that.....
I think it’s the combat drugs
thin ibex
its funny thinking they might have like... mining drugs and they just sub in combat drugs to the pre-existing ways to take them
charred bridge
Those miners go fucking crazy dude
You'd have to be crazy to be a miner with stuff meant for self defense and go against the enemies of humans that have gear meant for war.
Less applicable to 40k since probably many mining colonies in 40k probably are armed enough to repel an invading army a few times.
pastel rampart
Mining colonies have giant-ass mining lasers, drills, and meltas. They will absolutely fuck something up if pressed to it.
raven meteor
See-
90% of the genestealer cult armory
charred bridge
Votann amuses for me just having Volkite weapons be regular kit
raven meteor
It's an amazin flex on te imperium it's true
charred bridge
Also berserkers are like, gun that's basically just an upgrade over the Lasgun? Let me stab them
wide veldt
Oh sidenote
charred bridge
What melee weapons do Votann use
wide veldt
I’ve been looking into how psy powers used to work
And it’s really funny that they decided to just get rid of them as a concept rather than just like
Idk make them something u do in the command phase lmao
pastel rampart
They had their own phase for a while there. Which, gonna be honest, just made the game longer.
wide veldt
Oh for sure
I do not begrudge the loss of the psychic phase
I just begrudge the loss of
Gesticulates
Spells
They still…. kinda exist but
Yknow
Weird
raven meteor
What melee weapons do Votann use
Plasma blades in various forms, mass/concusion weapons that are similar to power fists in operation, and Darkstar weapons which are made of a fancy mineral only they have access too that like
Suppresses life, to be frustratingly vague
They're sheathed in a 'damping field' that makes organic and technological procceses just shut down, I assume it's like a bioelectrical thing
charred bridge
Suppresses life weapon, you know what else would suppress life? Promethium weapons
What would darkstar do to say Necrons or Earl entites
raven meteor
What would darkstar do to say Necrons or Earl entites
It affects tech too, hence why I suspect it just drains/suppreses energy in general
By 'a bioelectrical thing' I meant that would be why it works on meat too
stark cypress
Oh hey
Warcry isn't dead!
They got two new! Two new warbands!!!!
No
No, no. I am dumb
False alarm
Okay, uh, in less false alarm news.
This is a thing for a little bit
Look at dem scrungles.
And ATTA is back
rocky shale
aos kill team
stark cypress
Yeah
rocky shale
But not as good as that sounds
stark cypress
but it's sorta been static for a while
wide veldt
Me choosing to ignore that apperantly they retconned sangunius giving Horus the weak point
raven meteor
💀
broken dew
💀
pulsar cairn
apparently there's a novel where a penal legion guardsman gets an ork to work for him cause the ork sees him killing his former warboss
sounds like an interesting story
and's also a cool idea to explore
jaunty dawn
The kitbahses are pretty cool
restive obsidian
I'm definitely excited for it too. I almost got in to old world because I miss customising my guys gear so much (the special skills is icing on the cake too)
past sphinx
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/zivixehm/bring-your-own-warlo...
what a dream it must be to be able to kitbash with the entire gw catalog
broken dew
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/zivixehm/bring-your-own-warlo...
Oh this is quite cool
broken dew
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/zivixehm/bring-your-own-warlo...
Are these rules for normal 40k games also?
mental birch
But not as good as that sounds
The game where victory can be determined by the mission draw
I used to run Gryph hound spam
hollow laurelBOT
Somewhat depends on your "normal"
Freyja E. Lindberg | R&D ↩️
quaint compass
Are these rules for normal 40k games also?
They're intended for Crusade play, but that shouldn't get in the way of casual games
jaunty dawn
yes if you opponent isn't a coward (which means probably no :( )
broken dew
They're intended for Crusade play, but that shouldn't get in the way of casual g...
ic ic
zinc field
Oh. I might need a demon engine
zinc field
I don’t even play chaos marines
zinc field
It’s probably armiger sized right? Make a decent war dog
past sphinx
past sphinx
It’s probably armiger sized right? Make a decent war dog
wider base but a little stumpier probably
pastel rampart
I'd like to see it side-by-side with the old model.
past sphinx
once again the mauler/forge fiend is invalidated
floral herald
New defiler looks fuckin sick
junior robin
look what they did to my little boy 😭
jaunty dawn
They smoothed her 😭
junior robin
why are they a giant cyborg penut? 😭
vital barn
That's a really nice demon engine
jaunty dawn
Also still a little bit of obliterator "sticking parts to a big ball of putty" that I dont love
floral herald
I'd like to see it side-by-side with the old model.
I think the new one is smaller but it’s hard to tell
vital barn
I wasn't such a fan of most of them before, with the exception of the nurgle drones
floral herald
The old defiler was preposterously large
past sphinx
big ugly old bastard
jaunty dawn
Oh the side view I do like more
jaunty dawn
The profile hides like 60% of its mass
floral herald
There’s also plates for the flesh
The black legion one is just naked for some reason
past sphinx
for cowards!
vital barn
Man that looks so good
vital barn
Possibly a great platform to build an Archmagos on
misty violet
Damn I really like some bits of the new defiler and really don't like other bits
past sphinx
i good replacement for a predator tank i think
jaunty dawn
Like the abomination or whatever its called
zinc field
The black legion one is just naked for some reason
Chaos midriff
misty violet
I feel like this gent is slightly too tall, like the midriff area is too long. It makes him feel a little top heavy, which then is doubled by the gun arms still being super short
Actually, seeing him from the side he's more proportionate than I thought from the front
pastel rampart
https://www.gov.uk/product-safety-alerts-reports-recalls/product-recall-colour-forge-basing-sand-2-colours-moss-green-and-atlantiko-blue-2602-0038 also uh weirdly specific recall for basing stuff, risk of goddamn asbestos
floral herald
I’m sad that the new one is on a base so you can’t do melee cheese with the huge arms
But this is a bad thing to be sad about
misty violet
I still feel the arms could probably have stood to be more arms instead of the more or less flush to the body turrets of the original Defiler, since in general this one is fleshier and has proportions closer to a humanoid torso
desert jay
It’s probably armiger sized right? Make a decent war dog
If you're in the mood for this model in a CK army, my first thought is putting the upper body of a knight atop this thing's legs
desert jay
for cowards!
Iron within, iron without!
junior robin
so like, what are the odds they wont reveal Perturabo next week?
jaunty dawn
High I think
past sphinx
around the odds of chaos squats
any single release COULD be chaos squats
it simple is chaos squats or single
50/50
pastel rampart
Any single release COULD be Codex: Xenos Hunters, we've only been waiting since like 2003.
jaunty dawn
I dont think theres any outstanding teasers for the iron warriors release
And I dont think theyd reveal a primarch in a post
pine matrix
Konrad Curze is BACK, his head is sewn on straight and he's ready to kill
thin ibex
wait is that the new soul grinder?
past sphinx
more so or less so
jaunty dawn
No just a defiler
cinder wraith
Konrad Curze is BACK, his head is sewn on straight and he's ready to kill
giving "DRAGONS HAVE COME BACK TO DAVE AND BUSTERS"
pastel rampart
People WILL convert it into a soul grinder tho.
thin ibex
oh thats a sick defiler model
jaunty dawn
I know intellectually that defilers have always had heads but emotionally I dont think they should have heads
pine matrix
What do they need a head for anyway?
jaunty dawn
Hell P. Abomination
jaunty dawn
What do they need a head for anyway?
To look at BOOBS?
Sorry it just seemed like the whole
Having vision is gay setup
Look at boobs (lesbianly)
past sphinx
gazing respectfully
pastel rampart
Look at boobs (target practice)
jaunty dawn
But yeah as far as Im concerned both the defiler and the stormsurge are tankheads and should not have heads
Like I always saw the defiler head as a decoration as chaos things are wont to have
past sphinx
im getting reports that huron and co are around an benjamin
95ish
witch is unfortunate but tracks
past sphinx
Like I always saw the defiler head as a decoration as chaos things are wont to h...
if they dont have faces how are you gonna kiss em on the forehead for a good nights sleep
do you VALUE your demon engines REST AND RELAXATION
jaunty dawn
No I just chain them up and let them scream
pine matrix
To look at BOOBS?
To have lips to kiss WOMEN?
main pagoda
new one i feel like i need to see in person to know if i like it or not
it looks very tall but in a non-proportional way
desert jay
I did not like the heads on the old Defiler but do like them on the new one
pastel rampart
So where's the Defiler x Daemonsmith toxic yuri fic
atomic apex
I'm sure it exists
desert jay
More likely to be toxic yaoi
jaunty dawn
Could be a trans woman daemonsmith
past sphinx
one might even claim its a requirement
jaunty dawn
There are other options too
pastel rampart
More likely to be toxic yaoi
I didn't stutter.
floral herald
Frankly it not being toxic would be exotic with chaos space marines
jaunty dawn
Youd struggle to make it otherwise yeah
desert jay
Frankly it *not* being toxic would be exotic with chaos space marines
You could make some juicy hurt/comfort too
upper canopy
God I hope I can make Flashboss Snazzgarbba with these new rules
Warboss in Mega Armor, big shoota, and power klaw
all I want all I need
I need to fufill the platonic ideal of warboss
thin ibex
So they're an elite unit in the vein of like... the DA greatsword guys?
jaunty dawn
Theyre meant to be between chosen and legionaries
Which seems to manifest in
Coming in a 10 man box and not having room to give them a ton of options
And being oc 2
But otherwise just being chosen without cool stuff and with a slightly worse power fist
Also cant take an icon
Oh wait accursed weapons are ap-2 instead of these guys -1
Oh they infiltrate???
Thats cool at lwast
floral herald
Yeah it’s a funky unit
jaunty dawn
They have swords and boltguns which is kinda nice
Especially since boltgun legionaries has pretty much stopped being a thing
Cause boltguns are so incidental
Tbf I think the only time boltgun legionaries were something Id run is 9e where you could give them a mark of tzeentch for ap and a acolyte who could cast something basic
Which is why I was gonna say something more like gone back to not being a thing but it felt like an awkward hypercorrect construction
broken dew
I really wanna see how that turns out cause that is def something i'd incorporate in an army
raven meteor
Finally...... my bloody rose ground eviscerator warlord........ (maybe)
little bay
eviscerators i like them
jaunty dawn
I dont think I have a picture of my eviscerator canonness :(
raven meteor
Regardless of what options we get I'm excited
I like Morvenn Vahl as warlord for my Argent Srouds but the Triumph is a little silly as a Warlord
spice flicker
The new defiler looks cool.
rocky shale
Okay so the customizable faction leader stuff IS for 40k as a whole?
TBD on tournament legality (seems unlikely) but for casuals and crusade they really don't look that crazy
jaunty dawn
Yeah I dont think tournament would happen
They just encouraged using it in casual play
upper canopy
@vital barn just realized
40k will finally have generic magos with the make your own warlord rules
jaunty dawn
I really like the death guard head
finite compass
NGL
I'm still mildly annoyed at the insistence on putting dumb-looking fleshy bits on literally every last piece of Chaos machinery
jaunty dawn
I think conceptually it could work but they do not get the ratio right
And they also use it as a like replacement for creating a cohesive body
And also it doesnt look good with eavy metal painting
broken dew
I kinda like the style of the old one more ngl
The new one looks a bit too much like an armored flesh lump
jaunty dawn
I think i also just find the concept of demon engine more compelling when it actually looks like a believable machine
broken dew
Yeah same
This new one doesn't look like a machine at all
Might as well be a mutated guy in some armor, more like a Helbrute visually i think
upper canopy
The new Deffy looks great
I personally dont see a point in it being a daemon engine if it doesnt have meat
Just make a regular tank
jaunty dawn
This lad is cool
thin ibex
it feels more like actually deamonic for sure
broken dew
I personally dont see a point in it being a daemon engine if it doesnt have mea...
That's fair
I think it looks a bit more daemon than engine though
Which to reverse your point
Just make a regular demon
upper canopy
Its got like one big meat bulge
jaunty dawn
The defiler?
broken dew
I'm not sure i'd agree, it's quite fleshy
jaunty dawn
I think you could argue theres one instance of meat I suppose
atomic apex
I like that new Defiler
and it makes the fleshy bits look pretty good I think
jaunty dawn
With it being a contiguous mass
west zealot
This lad is cool
I have no idea what he is, who he is, or what he's doing, but i love him
He's such a good lad
west zealot
I'm not sure i'd agree, it's quite fleshy
Jim here on the otehr hand has really let himself go.
soft willow
It's very in line with the Forgefiend/Maulerfiend style of fleshy parts and mechanical parts being intertwined.
jaunty dawn
Hauling blight myphitically
west zealot
Get it together Jim.
jaunty dawn
Cause hes a myphitic blight hauler
jaunty dawn
I also like the helstalker
wide veldt
While still retaining that they have the same origin
And I think the meat is a nice way to do that for vehicles rather than just Even More Spikes
jaunty dawn
The fiends are actually quite fleshy too but they paint it much better
Like leathery
I think the thing that makes a daemon engine one is just being animalistic
thin ibex
the... whats the spider thing called? It always felt a little bit odd one out to me
its got the dual autocannons and does soul stealing stuff
always felt a little drukhari vibed
jaunty dawn
Venomcrawler
I like him hes just a baby
The heldrake doesnt have any flesh maybe
But I think it would be really hard to argue it doesnt look like a daemon engine
pastel rampart
Might as well be a mutated guy in some armor, more like a Helbrute visually i th...
It does put it more in line with the Hellbrute on a visual level and I suspect future daemon engines will keep with that aesthetic.
jaunty dawn
Also looking at the fiends and the helstalker shows how much of the armour stylings is reused haha
thin ibex
honestly the gatling gun breath is kinda baller as an aesthetic, i know breathing fire is cool as hell
jaunty dawn
Oh its the same ish as how the fiends are painting
thin ibex
but minigun breath is sick
i should have run one in the crusade, despite them not being like... super good
just cause heldrakes are such a vibe
jaunty dawn
Where like it looks ambigious whether its decaying shrouding
broken dew
It *does* put it more in line with the Hellbrute on a visual level and I suspect...
Yeah i wouldn't be surprised
If they're going for this flesh to metal ratio with the new Defiler it's probably cause they want the daemon engines to be more fleshy overall
broken dew
I don't dislike it but i do kinda prefer the big tank lad with the little humanoid head on it
jaunty dawn
I think the new mutilators are a little better
pastel rampart
The refresh has done better at making a more cohesive vision of chaos engines and related models, and how if you're with chaos long enough armor and flesh start to not have a distinction.
broken dew
Yeah
pastel rampart
Plenty of classic models aimed for that, especially RT-era.
broken dew
Def agree on that
pastel rampart
I'm generally of the viewpoint that I'd rather have a cohesive visual theme going on with a model range that I don't click with than a hodge-podge mix of stuff that sorta fits together but not really.
past sphinx
i think the helstalker is the best one
good bit of meat neath the steel
but not like fleshy good everywhere
jaunty dawn
Yeah
broken dew
I'm generally of the viewpoint that I'd rather have a cohesive visual theme goin...
That's fair
jaunty dawn
I mean at least personally im not saying I dislike the theme im saying i think some models are bad manifestations of that theme
In a range with numerous good examples
atomic apex
I think the Defiler and the new Mutilators are pretty good
floral herald
I like the fleshy look I just think they should make the flesh weirder
More like this
broken dew
Gave bro a Powah Klaw
mental birch
And being oc 2
Oc 3 wild
mental birch
I also like the helstalker
thin ibex
i wonder if the red corsair raiders will be cheaper than a grey hunter squad
pastel rampart
wide veldt
LMAO
pastel rampart
The old defiler was amazing on release because GW had never made anything that size before. Absolute giant of a model (and still kinda is).
But uh, it hasn't aged too well in some respects.
floral herald
Yeah
I can’t hate it since it ruled….
Checking date
…In 2003
It also looked very cool in dawn of war
pine matrix
I do remember it vividly there, the way it moved
floral herald
It was definitely one of the “holy shit” units
mild glen
People are being excited about the hero builder for 40k so I was all "Yeah, Anvil of Apotheosis is great, I'm happy 40k played will get to use it"
And now people are explaining it to me and I'm all "I'm the one trying to organize a Path to Glory. You are just describing the Anvil to me."
wide veldt
What is AoA
jaunty dawn
Its this new hero builder but for age of sigmar (and older)
upper canopy
I am also glad 40k is becoming more like Age of Sigmar
Let's hope it also begins making their models as cool as AoS
tired cairn
pale narwhal
it's a pretty sick upgrade
stark cypress
Please let their be a cooler Daniel moment with the guard
floral herald
Not to worry, he’s got a large knife
mental birch
Please let their be a cooler Daniel moment with the guard
You will have the venrable leman russ and you will enjoy it
tranquil ivy
chat i have a desire to buy havocs for parts
also do i bite the bullet and start tearing apart the CSM bodies i have laying around to steal their tabbards
mild glen
Please let their be a cooler Daniel moment with the guard
Tallarn and/or Catachan Refresh, I am crossing my fingers
floral herald
also do i bite the bullet and start tearing apart the CSM bodies i have laying a...
This is gonna be pretty hard
From how the plastic works for their legs they’re very moulded on
It might be easier to just us greenstuff and a texture stamp
tranquil ivy
From how the plastic works for their legs they’re very moulded on
yeah which sucks ass
tranquil ivy
It might be easier to just us greenstuff and a texture stamp
I used the last of my green stuff too recently :(
floral herald
Oh noooo
finite compass
Honestly.
I really hate the 'ab' section
I think it'd look a lot better if the torso was basically just attached to the legs, like the old one
raven meteor
For real
Chaos machinery is cool
Love the chainaxe rhinos khorne has
mental birch
okay so kitbashing struggles
pale narwhal
the brass scorpion is just sick tbh
tired cairn
That paint job is great
pulsar cairn
is that a daemon engine or just a very unlucky guy?
the sockets for the rockets are made of flesh 
main pagoda
daemon engine
pastel rampart
spice flicker
broken dew
Saw it from @HashiOnDiscord on twitter
spice flicker
Ah yes another new Ultramarine model when anyone else gets a new model.
jaunty dawn
Marneus calgar in defiler isnt real marneus calgar in defiler cant hurt you
desert jay
I also saw someone calling the new defiler Urgot
spice flicker
Look with your eyes and see the truth brother...Marneus Calgar in defiler is here to stay.
jaunty dawn
I like how the other builds are coloured blue but still have chaos heads n stuff
thin ibex
New unit, Calgarfiend
VenomCalgar
SoulCalgar
HelCalgar
helcalgar might be the funniest in my head
just a heldrake with calgars head
maybe powerfists glues to the ends of the wings
spice flicker
Truly when Calgar falls to Chaos he will be more self absorbed than even Slaanesh and name everything after himself.
Do tyranids have any source of objective secure?
jaunty dawn
assimilation swarm and warrior bioform
spice flicker
Only as strategems i see
jaunty dawn
Mm yeah shouldve been specific abt that haha
brittle salmon
Gargoyles 
tired cairn
They are more objective unsecured for your opponent
quaint compass
maybe powerfists glues to the ends of the wings
Powerfists instead of wings funnier
Tiny little nubs
bright dove
I also saw someone calling the new defiler Urgot
broken dew
Saw it from @HashiOnDiscord on twitter
🥷
floral herald
Saw it from @HashiOnDiscord on twitter
I kinda unironically dig this
The monstrous body and human head
wide veldt
God please 11e darkmech