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#Warhammer and Such
junior summit
I'm mostly just marveling at this:
from back in the days when everything came in nice wood cases
charred bridge
You think people still have those and they still work fine
raven meteor
Drug lord plugging in his mahogany finished höt böx to test the batch (I am about to be thrown into the ocean)
junior summit
I mean probably yeah
charred bridge
What a conversation starter, your drug tester on the counter
junior summit
I've used gear like this from the 80s in lab before it and it works fine
and melt point testing is pretty common as a starting point
oh holy shit throwback
back when you could legally buy ivory in the US
desert jay
Wow that's also not even that expensive
raven meteor
Possibly te most 80s ad ever
Oriental-styled imported ivory coke straw
past sphinx
god we used to be a real country
runic swallow
back when you could legally buy ivory in the US
Hey, you technically still can buy one or two particular kinds of ivory, unless for some reason the ivory sale ban also includes deer molars
Actually not molars, they’re canines
Anyways this is your fun fact that deer and elk have vestigial ivory tusks
charred bridge
god we used to be a real country
If you had problems just do some cocaine about it while shouting anti communist rhetoric, just like the founding fathers intended
past sphinx
no cameras, no licenses that actually mattered, nobody actually checking anything
valid brook
Interesting that the Höt Böx refers to « certain crystalline materials » but the ivory paraphernalia straight up says « these are for doing coke lmao » in the ad copy
desert jay
I assumed the former is for like heroin
stark cypress
Ad's were wild
thin ibex
Hmm someone hit me with a space marine or imperial guard list theme
junior summit
I assumed the former is for like heroin
nope, coke
desert jay
Hmm someone hit me with a space marine or imperial guard list theme
Tempted to ask for Salvar Chem Dogs but IDK if any modern stuff has good mechanical hooks for that
wide veldt
Oh tankbustas why do you come in a unit of 6
Not using ALL of the transport space in my tank is probably fine
But it makes me mad
thin ibex
Tempted to ask for Salvar Chem Dogs but IDK if any modern stuff has good mechani...
Not much really, but let me see if I can't cook something up. No promises though
desert jay
Not using ALL of the transport space in my tank is probably fine
A squad leaving 1-2 spaces left in a transport means you can still fit them in the squad with a leader
wide veldt
Them + their leader leaves 5 spaces left in my battlewagon w killkannon
viral crest
Hey
At least it's not Leagues of Votann
Who's dedicated transport is so small it has to have unique rules for splitting their battleline into two seperate units because otherwise there isn't a unit that could fit in it
desert jay
SOB's Immolator too
thin ibex
Not much really, but let me see if I can't cook something up. No promises thou...
https://www.newrecruit.eu/app/list/qymg0
@desert jay
desert jay
Catachan/Krieg mix is interesting but I dig it
thin ibex
The Catachans and the Grizzled Company representing like different drug uses
desert jay
nods
thin ibex
Figure hyper aggression chem inhalers on the knifey chem dogs, while the krieg ones are more tough guy vibes
The death riders are an easy shoe in for their "chem beasts"
pine matrix
What sorta terrain do you folks use? I'm looking into grabbing some (mainly for kill team) but I'm not really jazzed about the GW selection of "gothic ruins" or "L shaped wall"
pastel rampart
Unfortunately those are the most common forms of terrain for current 40k.
raven meteor
Why
In the SOB's specific case, that's actually a massive boon key to a lot of their tactics
Because it means each 105 point battle sister squad is 3+ potential miracle dice between cherub, getting miracle dice on death, and simulacrum imperalis
You put the special weapons sisters on the immolator and send them off to war while the bolter girls screen the backline and hold objectives
pine matrix
Unfortunately those are the most common forms of terrain for current 40k.
I'd be up for 3rd party stuff, I was lookign at Brutal Cities but the shipping would cost about as much as one of the kits
pastel rampart
I'd be up for 3rd party stuff, I was lookign at Brutal Cities but the shipping w...
https://deathraydesigns.com/ I've ordered from them for some movement trays in the past and it's good quality.
https://www.ebay.com/str/mikasmechlab?_trkparms=folent%3Amikasmechlab|folenttp%3A1&_trksid=p3542580.m47492.l74602 You may want to look at some 3rd party printers too, I've gotten stuff from this guy before on the cheap. They're away so nothing is up on the shop right now.
Mind, Ender does a fair bit more fantasy stuff than scifi but if you don't mind that then they're a decent source. Mika's Mech Lab does mostly vehicles and robots but there's some terrain there too.
Now, if you like doing it yourself there's the classic "build from cardboard" that GW put out ages ago in White Dwarf. Replace the cardboard with foamboard (found in damn near any dollar store) and you have something fairly durable and cheap that you can spruce up and make fancy as you see fit--but of course that assumes you want cities and ruins.
https://www.youtube.com/@BlackMagicCraftOfficial This is one of my favorite creators because he does all kinds of terrain from scratch, and shows how to make good stuff on a budget.
I still make stuff from scratch but I also now have an FDM printer; I know I'm lucky that I got a great deal on one but if you have the funds it is cheaper to get a printer and rolls of filament than it is paying for stuff from other companies. However, that is a whole other hobby in and of itself--it can pay great dividends but that isn't always something a person might want to get into.
But hey if you can make friends with someone who does have a printer that's almost as good as having one yourself. Barring that, check your local library or community college--both are frequently offering printing services or classes and that can be a good source to get printed stuff either free or on the cheap. Local maker clubs/scenes might have people there too, or even a local game store.
charred bridge
And you'd have more things to paint
pale narwhal
What sorta terrain do you folks use? I'm looking into grabbing some (mainly for ...
Kill team has specific killzones (Volkus and Tomb World), there are 3d printed variants available in varying levels of accuracy. The game is balanced around the official terrain so it’s probably worth looking into that
junior robin
pondering: should I go "chaos lord and retinue" or "mix of any non-termie infantry" for my 3ed chaos skirmish game... 
pine matrix
Thanks for the advice everyone! I'll definitely look into 3d printing options, I've got a friend who has one so I'll see if I can get something printed
runic swallow
They’re great, I’m kinda addicted to my local library’s
wide veldt
is bridgehead still busted btw
junior robin
found the old necromunda rules, should be easy to nail them to the csm 3.5 codex, now the biggest problem is space for the terrain needed 
wide veldt
im fond of combined arms
reading over the rules
reinforcements is a great strategem lmao
runic swallow
found the old necromunda rules, should be easy to nail them to the csm 3.5 codex...
There’s a community update of Old Necromunda, I played it back in the day and had fun with it
topaz hinge
reinforcements is a great strategem lmao
It was a lot better when it wasn't locked to once per game 😢
junior robin
pondering demons now, feels like they should count as juves even though bloodletters are more or less melee marines, think they still need a icon bearer to be summoned
wide veldt
so does stuff get brought back from legends sometimes?
floral herald
sometimes yeah
desert jay
Usually it's if a new model comes out
raven meteor
So like, what IS Legends anyway
I get it's broadly a place where units go when Games Workshop doesn't feel like caring about them
floral herald
It's a status for out of production models which a lot of people have
Legends stuff basically isn't balanced quarterly like current stuff, is often hard to get, and requries opponent permission to use
jaunty dawn
If they didnt care I think legends would just straight up not exist
floral herald
Most of it is fine or a little overcosted
jaunty dawn
Stuff does drop out of legends each time and it really sucks though
desert jay
Yeah it's like... Out of production for a full edition? Legends. Out of production two editions? Display shelf
jaunty dawn
But yeah its just anything that has rules but isnt allowed at official tournaments which means unofficial tournaments dont allow it either which means pick up gamers are averse to it too
jaunty dawn
Yeah it's like... Out of production for a full edition? Legends. Out of producti...
Its not even so predictable as that
jaunty dawn
Like…elysian sniper squads have been oop for probably a decade, still have rules
The main thing that went away in 10e was fw characters
From badab wars
desert jay
And yeah sometimes the opposite, old models sticking around in legends for a while
jaunty dawn
Before regular balance updates were a thing they were just stuff from previous editions that still usually worked
wide veldt
basically theyre just for fun rules for stuff that isnt legal anymore
jaunty dawn
And then in 8e it was just anything not in the codex (but was around in the indexes) but it was tournament legal but that was before gw took over the competitive circuit
jaunty dawn
Its usually very conservatively costed
wide veldt
yeah it seems like legends tax is a thing
jaunty dawn
Sometimes interesting and sometimes kinda boring and just the bare minimum
Its also kinda similar to the status of forge world stuff before 8e
wide veldt
so is forge world just being fully phased out btw?
it kinda seems like theyre not like
making anything new
for it
and legendsing most of it
jaunty dawn
Not for 40k or aos no
brittle salmon
Forge World is defunct now yes
jaunty dawn
They still make stuff for other games
floral herald
Forge World, the brand is gone but a lot of their stuff is just GW "expert kits"
wide veldt
do people just hate it cause its overpriced or like
jaunty dawn
I mean its also like games workshop as a brand is deemphasised too haha
floral herald
forge world used to be a place to get expensive OP models
brittle salmon
The few standard legal models left are for armies with extremely thin selections if they didn't have them, IE Custodes (who they're fixing) and Knights
raven meteor
Ohh I see
(About Legends)
With how I've seen it talked about it seemed like GW mandates every Legends model to be lightly irradiated to be legal for play
Like they don't exist at all
I guess I will give legends stuff a look!
wide veldt
cause i was NOT ready for how much people despise forge world
vital barn
honestly forge world stuff wasn't particularly strong for the last couple of editions of its existence
floral herald
it wasn't yeah
jaunty dawn
No honestly the perception of legends as stuff that gw doesnt want you to play with is really backwards
floral herald
No honestly the perception of legends as stuff that gw doesnt want you to play w...
super yeah
vital barn
they did do some really nice stuff, I still think Hazards are the prettiest Tau battlesuits
wide veldt
i think its more just like
stuff they dont sell anymore
and therefore cant really put in a codex
right
Forge world is also a weird case cause I’m under the impression that the resin method that they use that makes it expensive was the only way they had to make like
Big grand complex models
But that’s not true anymore
jaunty dawn
But also like while theres no fw site anymore the logo is still on the back of the blisters
sour sequoia
Forge World is all over the place balance wise and mostly like
jaunty dawn
Just like citadel is on paint pots
sour sequoia
I couldn’t give a shit about most of it but there’s been phases armies were hopelessly dependent on FW models
floral herald
Forge world is also a weird case cause I’m under the impression that the resin m...
It's a volume thing
sour sequoia
You should not have to buy boutique ultralux pricing models from a second secret website to play the game, and there should never be tourney legal datasheets not available in the damn codex
floral herald
Plastic injection moulding needs really expensive steel clamshells
Which pays for itself with a looot of volume
sour sequoia
Like imagine going to a tournament and a guy drops the seraptek construct down, “yeah no its legal but you wont see it in the necrons book you paid $60 for”
Do you not smack this dweeb/call a TO on em
floral herald
You just need some kind of rubber iirc for resin moulds
So they're way cheaper for low volume stuff
mental birch
But it ends up being stupidly expensive per unit which is passed on to the buyer becausw like
GW paying UK salaries for someoje to hand pour em
sour sequoia
Its bizarre and also like 70% of the custodes and knights range, which is even more infuriating when those armies come out to “yeah whatever that is it just dies to my piles and piles of bullshit stats”
Plastic custodes rips and maybe they can be a real army now
Legends the goddamn cerastus PLEASE gw
brittle salmon
do not
mental birch
Suffer
floral herald
Drukhari pretty much objectively need a refresh the most yeah
vital barn
personally I am still of the opinion that codexes being expensive deluxe books made sense fifteen years ago but is stupid now
especially since all the numbers in them will be redundant in three months
jaunty dawn
My assumption is that like
While codexes just being lore books and then fully digital free rules would be pretty great
There just wouldnt be any books
Which they dont really have the time to make them as good as they used to be anyway
wide veldt
Yeaaah
jaunty dawn
So its kinda whatever
wide veldt
Tbh I have come to accept an easy truce of
GW not shutting down waha and new recruit
*uneasy
Now there definitely history there I don’t know but just
I would not be getting into the actual war game at all without those two
But I don’t think GW is willing to take the step of making anything like that official for fear of book sales fully disappearing
jaunty dawn
I mean its also like wahapedia is the only functional way to play the game with errata
vital barn
personally I think they should just axe Big Codexes anyway and save themselves all the stress about matching the codex over time, but I can see why you'd want your lore books
jaunty dawn
Gw apps…exist but are clunky and require a sub on top of proof of purchase of the book
For like an objectively worse tool
wide veldt
Jeez
I guess despite being kinda famously stupid as companies to
*go
GW is smart enough to know that those two apps are important to the life of the game now
jaunty dawn
And at the start of the edition when they’re all free people kinda like it but theres not really any point in sticking with them
Fwiw I dont know if gw legally countenance wahapedia at all but theyre in russia so they cant really do anything about it
wide veldt
I’m kinda happy I’m getting into this at the end of 10, feels like I’m just in time
Edition changes are fun
jaunty dawn
New recruit/the battlescribe format is kinda a weirder case
wide veldt
Oh?
desert jay
Stuff like Newrecruit and Battlescribe are also like... they're passion projects, and passion projects can sometimes get a lot more TLC and polish
paper bluff
While codexes just being lore books and then fully digital free rules would be p...
They did that right with the start of tenth
jaunty dawn
I think something along the lines of cause its basically open source there isnt really a point of failure they can target
desert jay
Whereas a free(ish) app for a company is more liketly to get "it works, ship it"
jaunty dawn
The time they really did it right was aos 3rd ed tbh
But yeah
And like new recruit is just an interface for a format that was used in an older app that people stopped using cause the creator pissed everyone off
Um fun forge world fact from way back but fw got their start in making rules in 3rd ed when the main team released a vehicle builder (which is the one that was used with the famous deoderant hover tank) and they just used that with the big display models they were making for units from epic
Gw’s like imprint company culture is weird and hard to explain haha
And mostly just historical trivia at this point
wide veldt
paper bluff
1980's GW was an interesting place
wide veldt
.... did they rework mechanicus rad zone
rocky shale
When the codex dropped yeah
Because it was horrible
Its still not a very good detachment
pale narwhal
mech detatchments generally seem
The two that see play iirc are hunter clade and haloscreed
rocky shale
Which are both very good
mental birch
personally I think they should just axe Big Codexes anyway and save themselves a...
Return codices to being small paperbacks
Like arcane hourbals
Journals
Haloscreed is good and dronekink
I mean what
stark cypress
You typed what you type, Machine Worshipper.
mental birch
mental birch
You typed what you type, Machine Worshipper.
Look read the description and like yeah
floral herald
oooh
mental birch
Slapping some aethermethich blue and we 99% of the way to painting dead of dunharrow
floral herald
Is that a contrast blue?
mental birch
Yeah
floral herald
I gotta learn about contrast paints better haha
sour sequoia
mech detatchments generally seem
Its the only codex they’ve publicly apologized for.
There are other armies that have been sub-50% literally all edition.
Its the only one they’ve admitted they just straight fucked it on
wide veldt
There are other armies that have been sub-50% literally all edition.
Its the o...
yeah
i mean
dense sedge
Not all skitarri are servitors right? Was disagreeing with my brother on that
charred bridge
Skiitari have varying degrees of free will
They're not lobotomized like servitors, usually
desert jay
Skiitari are not servitors, though they have some modifications in common
Haloscreed feels in the zone of "hey, lemme handle your controls for a moment"
runic swallow
They usually have some kind of way for the magos in command to utilize their senses and sometimes do the ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL thing
But while Skitari fight with servitors and they’re sometimes very heavily modified, they aren’t servitors
raven meteor
Imagine getting backseated during a gunfight
runic swallow
They do sometimes say they have like, loyalty or order-following indoctrination or implants though
charred bridge
Imagine getting backseated during a gunfight
Not even backseated it's older sibling taking the controller cause you suck energy
And of course they always say they could have done it on their own with just a few more tries
Imagine being a tech priest and forgetting the wifi litany to your skiitari and they've been lounging around for days waiting for a command besides hold positiom
runic swallow
Just standing doing their idle barks
“Ready to fulfill the Omnisiah’s will!”
“Ready and waiting, Magos!”
charred bridge
You think like tech priest ever like lose signal when controlling a skiitari or lag
Bro you'd be dead if my ping wasn't bad right now
sour sequoia
BRO THIS FUCKIN LORD DISCORDANT HIT THE LAG SWITCH
charred bridge
Enemy DDOS you and ruin your coordination
wide veldt
Jokes aside I think it’s less ASSUME DIRECTION CONTROL and more like beaming order and info directly to them
runic swallow
I thought there were a few cases where they could effectively control a Skitari but I could be misremembering
charred bridge
It varies greatly by tech priest and I organization
It can range from full control, which is on the rarer side as the strength of skiitari is their semi autonomous so you need to micromanage less otherwise you'd probably just opt for a combat servitor. Also they got combat memories and experience so relying on their skill tends to be better than fully controling them.
To turning off their emotions so they will follow orders without hesitation is also an option, this let's them use their skill and training while doing exactly what you want.
And some few act mostly fully independent if they're quite skilled and objectively better at combat than their tech priest but choose to obey their tech priest handler so no control is needed. Some even have personal lives, friendships, and socialize having less influence from skiitari.
runic swallow
Also the classic “it depends who’s writing them”
charred bridge
Rangers are more of the 3rd example as they often are tasked to like do a thing in nowhere without any support or contact for decades
And quite valued, even tech priests have finite attention so less you need to micromanage a skiitari the better usually. Some just get a kick being overbearing with controls
junior summit
also not every techpriest is actually that good at the whole doing the war thing
so you'll end up with senior skitarii officers who actually run the war while the techpriests dodder
ofc on the other hand you have the myrmidons who maybe need to do less war
runic swallow
“So, how should we solve this production shortfall?”
“KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL.”
“…alright Thallax Chi-Aleph-43, we’ll take that suggestion under advisement.”
mental birch
No wonder some Mechanicus fanart goes there
Its not just me right!?
atomic apex
No you're right
tired cairn
🤔 if an enhancement lets the "bearer" re-roll charges (amongst other things, I'm looking at Perfectly Adapted in particular), does that let them re-roll charges for the unit it joins?
mental birch
Should do
jaunty dawn
I think skitarii are kinda interesting in that way like
They go from being their own institution, a martial culture of pilgrims with their own version of the cult
To like 40k where theyre just like bastardised playthings for mars’ ascendant tech priests
And thats like
Literally just sociological droneification, yeah
pastel rampart
charred bridge
“So, how should we solve this production shortfall?”
“KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL.”
“...
Who invited the Ordo Reductor
runic swallow
I think they just invite themselves and no one wants to ask them to leave
wide veldt
Oh I don’t think I showed yall my IG list
Look
It’s the imperial guard
We’ve even got a tank
wide veldt
Oh man the haemoniculi “part” of the drukhari army is so sad
What do you mean 4 data sheets
Guys
desert jay
What do you mean 4 data sheets
Look up Wyches next
wide veldt
Okay so the army is kabals my b
desert jay
Now look up how many things have Kabal keyword
atomic apex
Oh man the haemoniculi “part” of the drukhari army is so sad
Oh man the
haemoniculi “part” of thedrukhari army is so sad
desert jay
The army as a whole is too small to be three armies in one
desert jay
Yeah
atomic apex
they just have nothing in general
wide veldt
I feel like it’s genuinely possible for Drukhari to get dropped next edition
Because GW clearly doesn’t want them
To exist
desert jay
And there’s also a bunch of unkeyworded vehicles
desert jay
But it’s a smallish range before it’s split three ways
floral herald
The weird split army thing never really worked that well imo
floral herald
This is the reason people basically only run realspace raiders
The clowns one is pretty good too
atomic apex
Wager is good apparently, yeah
wide veldt
Oh they can also take quins?
desert jay
The weird split army thing never really worked that well imo
Yeah they ain’t no Space Marines
atomic apex
well if they had as absurdly many models as SM, maybe it would work
wide veldt
Man if I was a drukhari player I’d be just constantly furious
What do you mean they’re making new armies at all while an existing one is basically the same as it was in 1995
past sphinx
you would be nearly doubling the playerbase to
floral herald
It's not, it's the same as it was in the 5e refresh
wide veldt
Ohhhh my b
And when was that
:3
I really like Drukhari aesthetically but
Fuck dude
floral herald
2010
wide veldt
Okay Kabal is still double the size of the other two because blades for hire is a fake tag
And they’re just lumped in with Kabal
floral herald
They got a huge refresh and were an on and off competitive terror for a few editions but their post 5e model support is very patchy
floral herald
Excluding characters DE have gotten 4 models since the refresh
(It's 12 including characters)
past sphinx
sickass mandrakes tho
wide veldt
At the bare minimum making detatchments that use these factions keywords is incompetent design
Because like
Look at them
floral herald
Oh I guess it's 5 if you count HOTA
floral herald
sickass mandrakes tho
The Mandrakes are so sick
wide veldt
I guess you can bring stuff that doesn’t interact with your detachment rule but like
past sphinx
Mandrakes, a model teenage boy al simply couldnt understand why he liked os much
floral herald
And I think still basically meta-rulers
wide veldt
That shouldn’t be needed
Maybe I’m just being dramatic but good lord
It certainly doesn’t look great
floral herald
https://www.pretentiousplasticops.com/stats/rankings
Man I can't wait for the post-slate numbers haha
brittle salmon
This is the reason people basically only run realspace raiders
The meta detachment is Spectacle of Spite and it's doing very well
floral herald
Yeah DE are weird because their archetype means that someone usually figures out how to prank people to death with em
wide veldt
In that case my opinion has become it’s bad that if you go to a tournament you’re likely to see the oldest models in the game winning the most LMAO
I’m just baffled
Mostly
brittle salmon
Emily, with all due respect I think you're overreacting
wide veldt
I mean it’s also not that serious
brittle salmon
Sure, fair enough
jaunty dawn
They have a range that like wasnt designed to be three armies they decided was three armies on a whim one day
wide veldt
But being completely serious it is really weird
That they’re so far behind o much every other faction that’s as old as them
In terms of their models and datasheets
jaunty dawn
Theyre doing better than grey knights who are just as old
But gk are a way more redundant archetype
floral herald
Lowk a crazy meta haha
jaunty dawn
And they were doing about as well as space wolves until space wolves got their massive update recently
wide veldt
Okay if we wanna talk about an army that’s actually a travesty
jaunty dawn
But it is dumb yeah
jaunty dawn
Like they’ve probably lost more units than gained
Well definitely cause theyve only had units refreshed
floral herald
They're a rules-simplifying framework for imperial soup you're technically allowed to play
jaunty dawn
I think they just saw that there was so many units that had ended up there over time it would feel just a silly if you werent allowed to play them
wide veldt
As their own army
Anyway yeah my arguement isn’t really that Drukhari is bad competitively just
jaunty dawn
They couldve done a lot better though honestly but Im not sure how much that was the aim
wide veldt
Weirdly neglected
And being good in the game isn’t like
Not being neglected
Everyone has to get rules if they’re in the game, those rules can be good
junior summit
imp agents is literally a fake army
jaunty dawn
Ftr the most neglected an army has ever been is tyranids before 10e
Where they got one model in like
jaunty dawn
10 years
floral herald
They are
wide veldt
Okay so GW are just incompetent
floral herald
Their range is old but they also got lavished with models for 3 editions
wide veldt
Actually I guess it’s just like
GW kinda…. Doesn’t care about non-imperium factions that much
jaunty dawn
Mostly its space marines
wide veldt
Yeah
jaunty dawn
Imperial guard have been doing pretty good lately though
atomic apex
Lowk a crazy meta haha
of all the factions to see on top, Deldar and Chaos Demons was not what I expected
wide veldt
Idk sorry I’m just kinda
floral herald
20+ models in 4e 13 in 5e, 8 in 6e, 6 in 7e
wide veldt
Didn’t realize it’s this bad
floral herald
and then a 9 year drought with just one new model
floral herald
Didn’t realize it’s this bad
It's not really that bad model replacement schedules are just slow
And frankly, most of them don't need frequent replacement
atomic apex
Mostly its space marines
after seeing just how much stuff Marines get, I understand the hate on them now
wide veldt
The stuff that needs replacing is mostly like
Finecast
Yeah I also didn’t really get the full extent of it
Until now
jaunty dawn
The last like
5 years have been kinda wild tho
In terms of um
They just make so many models now
wide veldt
oh like introducing a lot of new stuff?
desert jay
The stuff that needs replacing is mostly like
Also Ezekiel, who is still metal
wide veldt
Jesus Christ I forgot he’s metal
Good lord
I mean eventually that machine is just gonna fucking explode lmao
jaunty dawn
Like the battlebox sized releases are like every couple of months I think
And the edition starter sets are huuuge
wide veldt
GW having tech priests for the Ezekiel making machine
jaunty dawn
And thats just 40k
wide veldt
Because no one understands it anymore
jaunty dawn
So theyll probably get to dark eldar one day xP
wide veldt
Yeah
desert jay
Ezekiel actually looks pretty good for a metal model, you'd be forgiven for looking at him and guessing he came out in 5e or 6e
wide veldt
It kinda seems like every edition one non-space marine is gonna get attention
Because they’re in the starter box
wide veldt
And they don’t wanna put drukhari’s 30 year old model on the box
That’s true
Guys it’s the year of chaos it’s real
desert jay
Yeah a few times the starter has been SM vs some Chaos marine
wide veldt
Yeah sorry part of my initial reaction is just like
desert jay
Like SM vs DG
past sphinx
the great deathguardenning
past sphinx
from wence all my problems flow
jaunty dawn
10e has had like, the end of the super long lasting eldar refresh, a whole kroot army (and bonus vespid refresh)
desert jay
Death Guard has a great range for being a CSM offshoot
atomic apex
Drukhari have less units than Votann I think
past sphinx
Ezekiel also has i think the only Anti-chaos keyword in the game
though agents or sisters might have something?
floral herald
Man I wonder how long votann is gonna be like this
Votann have actually had pretty good support
jaunty dawn
Yeah like theyre 4 years old
jaunty dawn
Chaos daemons are super neglected atm
floral herald
8 model kits added (exluding the 2 limited eidtion ones) in 4 years
jaunty dawn
But they also dont seem sure what to do with them
atomic apex
The Votann units are also mostly all pretty good, which helps
junior summit
also effort investment per model has gone way the hell up over time
floral herald
The daemon range is prolly gonna get broken up, which is good imo
wide veldt
Okay that being said
I want them to refresh catachans
And they look exactly the same
jaunty dawn
They should
wide veldt
Just plastic now
floral herald
they are plastic haha
wide veldt
What
floral herald
Just a really old plastic kit
jaunty dawn
Its really weird that they havent made a catachan devil kill team
floral herald
Its really weird that they havent made a catachan devil kill team
One's been rumored for a long time
jaunty dawn
They do have the youngest finecast model in the game
Cos the new sly marbo was like the last one they made I think
wide veldt
I assumed they were finecas
floral herald
GW didn't do finecast for all that long
jaunty dawn
Usually only characters werent plastic
jaunty dawn
Because white metal got too expensive
wide veldt
Like okay obviously no one in this chat is GW
jaunty dawn
So they wanted to use a resin that worked in metal molds
topaz hinge
and plastic sprues are expensive to make
jaunty dawn
Right yeah thats why they were doing non plastic models at all, yeah
Now they havent needed to for the main games for ages
vital barn
slight necro but my biggest point of confusion about Agents is why I can get Grey Knights and Rogue Traders in there but not Custodes
wide veldt
I also get it because apperantly part of finecast’s probably was that GW didn’t like
Use the correct set up
To cure it right
vital barn
five Custodes attaching to a guard army or whatever is like the most lore-friendly thing in the world
jaunty dawn
It was a bad resin in aging molds
wide veldt
And if they were just reusing the metal stuff
jaunty dawn
It was a really bad resin
wide veldt
That makes sense
junior summit
pewter is very expensive and at the time plastic was not able to return as good results as pewter
so finecast was an attempt to bridge the gap by using something cheaper than white metal but with as good detail as metal
and that didn't work
floral herald
Huh they were the only plastic in their range
wide veldt
But some of the charm I used to associate with Warhammer minis before o actually got into it HAS been lost a little
junior summit
also apparently some aggressive cost cutting to the point of some very ??? decisions i.e. not vacuum degassing
wide veldt
In my head I was always like “oh yeah Warhammer and its absolute dogshit minis”
Like stuff like the catachan just kinda live in my brain
Oh?
Like what
past sphinx
theres a strange alternitive world where catachans became the baseline and it took 20 years to get plsatic cadians in a killteam
wide veldt
…. Okay the edit has not clarified lmao
junior summit
ok so when you pour epoxy into a mould it traps some amount of air, right?
jaunty dawn
I just think it would be neat if they made a new catachan range and they existed in every squad
junior summit
the way that you remove that is called degassing and you seal the mold up then hit it with vacuum to literally vacuum the bubbles out
if you skip that step you get bubbley models
junior summit
yeah
jaunty dawn
Lots of bubbles yeah
wide veldt
Mhmhm
junior summit
the really early finecast stuff was riddled with bubbles
wide veldt
Which i imagine made it really fragile
junior summit
oh the fragility wasn't the issue
jaunty dawn
And a lot of warping too
jaunty dawn
And mold slips
wide veldt
Well I mean I guess a point in GWs favor that they at least stopped using it fairly quickly
… well
Okay there’s still SOME
but like
Yknow
past sphinx
weve gotten so much better with resins in 26 years
junior summit
yeah finecast was a hell of a long time ago
past sphinx
finecast wouldve gone a lot better if they werent using pretty poor resin in todays terms
floral herald
Is there any finecast left?
wide veldt
There’s a little I think
jaunty dawn
But theyre doing the resin in metal molds thing with old world and its not as bad as finecast I think
junior summit
its still a thing iirc
junior summit
but it's GW's generic descriptor for their resin line
wide veldt
Is fine cast
floral herald
But theyre doing the resin in metal molds thing with old world and its not as ba...
Yeah the new process is pretty good
junior summit
either way a lot of the models nowadays lookf ine
jaunty dawn
I mean they havent called it finecast in ages
Because as a brand it failed massively
Like with sly marbo (2017) they just call it a resin kit
But not an expert kit
wide veldt
Anyway yeah sorry for coming in hot I was just
Really in shock lmao
They still GOTTA get a refresh tho lmao
And like…
A fuckin kill team
The fuck do you mean servitors have a custom kill team before any of drukhari lmao
wide veldt
Oh yeah mandrakes got updated for it
Did hand of the archon also get updated for it or is it still the old models
floral herald
It's a (large) upgrade kit for Kabalite Warriors
wide veldt
Cause I just meant like the geomancer where they make entirely new guys
jaunty dawn
Mm
jaunty dawn
They dont do upgrade kits anymore though
floral herald
For a while it was half upgrade kits and half new sculpts
But this edition is weird
wide veldt
As seems to be a theme with 10e
Is that it’s generally
A Weird One
Or do u mean kill team
floral herald
Lots of sort-of-custom kits which are basically designed for 40k but usable in kill team
floral herald
KT just changes a lot
wide veldt
Oh like every edition is a new game kinda thing?
floral herald
It's just been really variable in production and team design
Since originally it was just "use your 40k models for this!"
wide veldt
Mhmhm
jaunty dawn
Like the white dwarf teams they only did for a little bit
floral herald
And then they started releasing stuff specifically for it, but had rules for all the normal guys
And the white dwarf teams, and the weird tie in teams
wide veldt
I’m still baffled that WD is still a thing
jaunty dawn
I think thats the thing with like
Having a magazine and physical stores and printed rules
wide veldt
It feels like it should be like dragon magazine
jaunty dawn
Is done for its own sake
jaunty dawn
Like its not about what is the optimum business model its just keeping the way of doing things going
wide veldt
Unless dragon magazine is still around somehow in which case I guess I don’t know anything at all
wide veldt
The thing that’s funny to me is like
jaunty dawn
And getting away with it cause they have more revenue than the british fishing industry
wide veldt
These used to be OFFICIAL
in the way that like
White Dwarf would have real new rules you needed to pay attention to
Dragon Magazine would have real new content for DnD
floral herald
Ending the upgrade kits kinda makes sense to me because they have this really weird thing going on where you got options from the kill team on the 40k datasheet which weren't in the 40k box
So I think they switched to just making "KT style" 40k boxes for both of them
jaunty dawn
I think its also just that kill team did much better than they thought it would
floral herald
But it's really noticable with Legionaries and Phobos for example
stark cypress
The player base yearns for faster paced 40K.
floral herald
KT has a relatively independent playerbase now I think
jaunty dawn
Like kt21 was much more experimental and couldve gone a lot of different ways but kt24 gets to build on that success
floral herald
It's just like idk
wide veldt
I think its also just that kill team did much better than they thought it would
Given their track record of shit like
Planes Game
floral herald
The Valorant to Bighammer's Battlefield
wide veldt
I too would not have put my eggs in kill teams basket
jaunty dawn
I think theyre moving to eventually just including the sprues when possible though. Like the pathfinders in the combat patrol have it Im pretty sure
stark cypress
Aeronautica please come back!
floral herald
I think theyre moving to eventually just including the sprues when possible thou...
I think so yeah, I think that happened to Phobos maybe?
It didn't for Legionaries which is annoying
jaunty dawn
I just want tiny valkyries
floral herald
Since the Heavy Melee Weapon and the Mini Sorcerer are actually really good
jaunty dawn
It added so much flavour to legionaries yeah
wide veldt
Oh I mean I’m sure Aeronatucishfhr was fun
jaunty dawn
Its like blood bowl
Which I guess is pretty successful cause they regularly get stuff
floral herald
Wait I'm just wrong https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/chaos-space-marines-legionaries-2025
wide veldt
What possessed you to make this
jaunty dawn
Yayy
wide veldt
Yay
jaunty dawn
Also useful if you decide to make a chaincannon havoc unit cause they only come with one a box lmao
floral herald
Legionaries are such a fun KT
jaunty dawn
My havoc squad is just chaincannon and three heavy bolters
wide veldt
I am deeply amused by the Ork kill teams I gotta say
Like the kommandos actually solid snakeing around kills me mentally
floral herald
KT has a TTS scene though I don't partake in it that much
jaunty dawn
Kommandos are funny cause they were like the proof of concept
floral herald
It's solidly supported but I know people IRL who play and like playing with them more
jaunty dawn
They were in the launch box
floral herald
They're such a neat team too
wide veldt
It also seems MUCH more financially accessible
wide veldt
Yeah like
floral herald
(Barring a few teams which are more expensive, but the most expensive KT is substantially cheaper than a 40k army)
floral herald
You can make them cheaper with secondhand stuff and deals and such but yeah
It's expensive
But KT is like, buy a $70 box and you're set
floral herald
I wanna get into KT
Actually, any particular teams stand out?
wide veldt
Navy breachers was the one that got me to look into it
junior summit
KT also has a lot less painting/labor
it's just a way faster way to get into the game
wide veldt
Oh yeah cause ur just painting
Some Guys
They should give custodes a kill team and it’s like
Two fucking guys
junior summit
custodes in the last KT was four guys iirc
wide veldt
Yeah that’s close enough that it’s funny
wide veldt
Also any of the tau fellas
floral herald
Can't have KTs smaller than 5 models in this ed
It'd have to be like, 1 stode and some henchmodels
wide veldt
1 custody and a bunch of servitors that fix his armor :p
floral herald
(I actually think an Eyes of the Emperor KT would be dope)
jaunty dawn
I think theyd kinda have to be cause like
atomic apex
Less than five models would get weird with scoring
jaunty dawn
Yeah
To make a custode tougher than a death watch dude he cant be every model
It would also be a more interesting add to the 40k faction
wide veldt
What is eyes of the emperor
jaunty dawn
Custodes when theyre being sneaky
floral herald
Custodes spies basically
jaunty dawn
They retire and become the cia
floral herald
Same superhuman perfection, no hueg armor, and they work with normal spies
(This also makes it easier to fit one into KT's power band imo)
thin ibex
They do alpha legion stuff pretty much
And Inquisitor stuff
They're really good at it
floral herald
good news!
jaunty dawn
They retire and become the cia
After maybe a few years of begging to be a dreadnought
floral herald
jaunty dawn
They were made for the previous version of kill team and then they brought em back
Yeah
They also
Get to shoot you with spaceship lasers
wide veldt
Tbh that guy w minigun and dog is living his best life
floral herald
Yeah they're (Starstriders) are a funky team
wide veldt
what
junior summit
you could do SoS/Custodes where you've got one custodian in armor and then some schmucks
floral herald
Their hat is that their ship is in low orbit providing fire support
vital barn
it's very funny that the Custodes don't have enough dreadnoughts for the very small numbers of them that get fucked up
you'd think they could order more considering there are about five of them anyway
jaunty dawn
Their hat is also buying breaking the rules iirc
floral herald
So they have a bunch of 1 shot stupid as fuck shooting attacks they can summon 1/turn
wide veldt
I think the only problem w sisters of silence is that you’d have to make them good WITHOUT psychic
jaunty dawn
That might have been just the previous edition
wide veldt
Since I imagine it’s really rare to have psykers in kill teams
junior summit
SoS are pretty good combatants in addition to the null thing
jaunty dawn
The new sisters team is doing that
wide veldt
That being said you could give them like a debuff aura
junior summit
iirc in Dark Imperium there's a SoS swordswoman who does pretty good work
jaunty dawn
I think sos would lean into the fact that they’re invisible more so
junior summit
ok I will say that by the standards of 40k naval weaponry this is pretty mid all things considered
but also "in scale" naval weaponry is "shake hands with your opponent the board no longer exists"
jaunty dawn
Yeah
Or like that one boarding actions mission where half way through the entire map splits un half
wide veldt
This is the most they can do without also killing the rogue trader
junior summit
you also have a temu striking scorpion
floral herald
Starstriders are a lot of fun you get:
- Elucia Vhane, MLG quickscoper
- a dog (it's very fast)
- Death Cult Executioner, elite melee killer
- Larsen van der Grauss, taserman extraordinaire
- Rejuvenat Adept, probably the best medic in the game now
- 5 voidsman who are all decent
jaunty dawn
There is a fair amount of psykers in kill team tho
wide veldt
So not a kill team question but of a similar kinda ken
floral herald
KT is weird about it because yeah there's a fair few psykers, but there aren't very many mandatory psykers
junior summit
in scale this is concerningly close
jaunty dawn
Its cool
wide veldt
In the main game
floral herald
They're a little janky but yeah
junior summit
like naval weapons being used on the battlefield you're in is already a dangerous proposition but this is directing a macrocannon to hit something like 20 scale feet from you
jaunty dawn
I havent played a lot of the 10e version which is a bit more jank
The main barrier is needing like over a £100 in terrain set
vital barn
personally I think new custodes would be a great opportunity for a 2-3 custards + a few serf chumps KT
SOS are big enough that I think they should be their own thing
floral herald
I'll also note that the coming-out-in-a-week SoB KT has a psyker hate rule for KT
So teams with anti-psyker rules are allowed
wide veldt
Mhmhm
I’m surprised kill team is popular for “fast Warhammer” isn’t that what combat patrol is for
floral herald
Combat Patrol is fast warhammer
jaunty dawn
Combat patrol isnt very good is the issue
jaunty dawn
Boarding actions is a lot better for fast 40k
floral herald
yeah
wide veldt
Okay ball
jaunty dawn
I think thats what waha calls it
tired cairn
like naval weapons being used on the battlefield you're in is already a dangerou...
It is hilarious and ridiculous the weapons the Starstriders use for close support. And the fact they don't obliterate everything on the entire table
wide veldt
We stay on waha
wide veldt
Oh yeah I also am in love with all of the imperium kill teams except Krieg
floral herald
Waha is also wrong it's actually the 7th edition of kill team, but most people call it Kill Team 2024
wide veldt
I have softened on Krieg recently tho
jaunty dawn
I think theres still some weirdness with the core rules
wide veldt
Mostly cause I haven’t ran into many Krieg fan Nazi’s in recent years
desert jay
I think Combat Patrol flopped because balance is all over the place and they have very few ways to fix it, so instead of doing what they could they threw up their hands and treated it as a casual whatever mode
tired cairn
The rule availability for the current kill team is bizarre
floral herald
It's very strange yeah
tired cairn
AIUI, AOS version of Combat Patrol is much more well received
jaunty dawn
Spearhead is cool yeah
wide veldt
Spearhead is supposed to be great yeah
jaunty dawn
With kill team you just gotta say the launch date though
desert jay
When they announced Combat Patrol for 10e expectations were much higher for it
jaunty dawn
Cause if kt24 is any edition its the second edition of kt21 imo
wide veldt
Combat Patrol seems to have devolved into combo boxes
With the game mode not being anything
jaunty dawn
Thats part of the issue is that its like
floral herald
Cause if kt24 is any edition its the second edition of kt21 imo
I agree
jaunty dawn
A game mode for using boxes that are not designed for being used in a game mode
desert jay
It does not help that Combat Patrol boxes (both 9e and 10e) are kinda all over the place as combo boxes too
jaunty dawn
Like combat patrols are just designed to be the value packs of whatever arcane economics makes them decide to put in them
At least battleforces were like trying to give you a hq and two troops
floral herald
Roughly speaking there are 3 games called Kill Team
- the weird asf 4e side game
- KT 2010, 2013, 2016, and 2018
- KT 2021 and 2024
jaunty dawn
And also shadow war armageddon
jaunty dawn
Like combat patrols are just designed to be the value packs of whatever arcane e...
Sometimes its just a way for a push fit sprue to stay in production
wide veldt
I’m glad kill team is doing good tho
stark cypress
I wish warcry was having the same thing
jaunty dawn
No idea whats going on with warcry :(
floral herald
it's confusingggg
jaunty dawn
I think the second edition releases underperformed
jaunty dawn
They put chorfs in at least
junior summit
death guard
desert jay
There's also Underworlds which has its own thing going on
jaunty dawn
Oh theres a charon expy in nighthaunts
floral herald
nighthaunt
stark cypress
You know what, let me take pics of all the heroes I have and we can make a game of it.
jaunty dawn
Now he kinda seems like an elden ring reference lmao
He was also kinda weird being a teleport support character in a faction which had teleporting already
wide veldt
I mean I kinda love it lmao
jaunty dawn
Hes cool!
wide veldt
The Elden Ring reference I don’t care about the teleporting lol
jaunty dawn
Nighthaunt are really pretty
jaunty dawn
A little bit belakor
stark cypress
I can see it
wide veldt
If I had to pick I’d say that’s AOS masque
stark cypress
All right, this one is another that would fall under Night Haunts. But come on, who doesn't want to see an undead lady knight with a necromatic heart exposed.
jaunty dawn
Reminds me of progenitor sculptor from warcrow mostly though
stark cypress
floral herald
A little bit belakor
I was thinking Tzeentch but I agree with Belakor
wide veldt
Sidenote
Man I love the ghouls in AOS
The courtier might be one of my favorite GW models
jaunty dawn
Its tzeentch if there was no bird flanderization
stark cypress
Okay, last one.
floral herald
lowk
stark cypress
Okay, last one.
This is actually giving me ideas for a color palette.
jaunty dawn
I think she could be a little bit stormcast tbh
jaunty dawn
Okay, last one.
Ooh
stark cypress
I know, right?
stark cypress
I know, right?
Sad thing is he is locked behind a gacha gate. Though, they hand out mats like crazy.
jaunty dawn
Especially the jumpy lady
jaunty dawn
Still find it so weird they put the original warcry kits out of production like
They keep more niche things around in online only
floral herald
Okay, last one.
floral herald
Ok that's better
jaunty dawn
Hehe
stark cypress
I have two more
Okay, these last two definitely don't have anything related. I'm just being self indulgent at this point.
floral herald
jaunty dawn
Tiny bit
stark cypress
A little bit, yeah.
If anyone id wondering where the chars are from it's AFK Journey.
Right now, going through their academy arc and one of the newest pull characters is a sphinx kinda lady.
Though, they're called gargoyles (I don't know either).
wide veldt
@floral herald I’m gonna read the kill team rules at work tonight now, can I ping u for rules questions
wide veldt
If things don’t make sense to me because GW’s rules writing is like
Just a cheese grater for my brain
Something about it is just incompatible with the way I read rules lol
atomic apex
<@255907872993574923> I’m gonna read the kill team rules at work tonight now, ca...
I can also possibly answer some things
wide veldt
Yaaay
atomic apex
though I have also only recently gotten into it
floral herald
KT’s rules are mostly not that bad but the line of sight/valid target rules are genuinely complicated
wide veldt
Sorry actually not a rules question but are there any like
Egregiously bad teams
That I shouldn’t even look at
floral herald
Probably not
There were some which kind of sucked (Kasrkin) but they just got huge buffs
wide veldt
Oh sweet I love Kasrkin
floral herald
I don’t personally like Vespid but it’s less a bad team thing and more that their playstyle doesn’t vibe with me
atomic apex
There were some which kind of sucked (Kasrkin) but they just got huge buffs
did Kasrkin have the double shoot before and I just missed it, or is that fully new?
floral herald
did Kasrkin have the double shoot before and I just missed it, or is that fully ...
It is fully new
Kasrkin were one of the only teams I would have said were outright bad
Both competitively poor and also a boring linear team
But they seem way better now
wide veldt
Okay so only having two phases is promising
In terms of each turn not taking 200 years
floral herald
Kill Team is also AA not IGYG so it’s much more interactive
And it’s only played for 4 rounds not 6
wide veldt
Mhmhm
sour sequoia
Literal thousands
There are 3 armies that you cannot build 2k for under like, $700 if you aren’t Stupid
The game is not so bad to deal with when you check stuff besides GW, buy boxes and actually paint em
The people whose wallets are exploding is people who saw Mortarions Hammer is good lets buy 2k of Death Guard all at once
And then repeat with Ultras and now Necrons
floral herald
Those people have a lot of money tbh
But yeah it’s not so bad including hobby time and how durable the collection is
wide veldt
There are 3 armies that you cannot build 2k for under like, $700 if you aren’t S...
Have you considered
That
I am stupid
:p
sour sequoia
Pick An Army
Buy Battleline
Paint Battleline
Move To Next Box
wide veldt
If I ever get into a place with a big physical Warhammer scene I’d probably consider it but as it stands if I buy anything physical it will be like
For hobbling
Hobbying
sour sequoia
Honestly the hobbying stays cheaper
wide veldt
Cause you don’t buy 6 boxes of skitari yeah
sour sequoia
But like also I’ll say I have a full 9600pts of GSC now, max every unit and have spent on avg 20% of MSRP
wide veldt
Jesus okay then
sour sequoia
Patience and some resourcefulness helps
Printing helps and nobody actually gives a fuck, worlds had prints and kitbashes up the wazoo
up to and including a full masc slaanesh daemons army that needs censor bars to be on stream
floral herald
Yeah provided your stuff is presentable no one really cares
floral herald
I would be a little miffed at like all unpainted prints but that’s it
floral herald
Yeah Warhammer is different because the models are basically little art projects you can also play games with
sour sequoia
I’m used to MTG
MTG players suck rocks thats why 
wide veldt
… yeag
floral herald
So mixing and matching or using your own stuff is all cool provided your little art projects look cool
wide veldt
It also doesn’t help that people treat MTG cards like stocks
So they have an incentive to force using the actual cards
At least imo but that’s neither here nor there
I am VERY interested in kitbashing
Because I love making a little OC guy
sour sequoia
My guide is always making the guns/stature consistent and accurate
But also nobody fuckin knows weapon shapes beyond basic imperium stuff
People will get salty if you go “this melta is flamers but this flamer is plasmas and these other flamers are actually flamers”
Thats about it
wide veldt
Mhm
Basically don’t confuse people
But if you have a weird fucked ork gun and go “that’s a kustom shoota” people will be like fair enough
floral herald
Yeah
I had some kitbashed flash gitz way back when which consisted of burna boy bodies but with the flamers covered in random gun bits I had
Pulse rifles, bolters, shootas, etc
wide veldt
Flash Gitz are the most bashable motherfuckers to ever live
Also I said I was gonna read KT and the hordes of customers descended on me
pale narwhal
killteam is really fun
also much cheaper and you can focus more on the Guys™ than having to have a consistent army-wide scheme
viral crest
Hm
A thought just came into my head
So Custodes are, sadly probably a bit too much for curent Kill Team as it is
but what about a Grey Knight Kill Team?
rocky shale
I have entirely too many models™ but r/miniswap is how I didnt spend infinity dollars and on average its probably cheaper than when I was deep into mtg
vital barn
GK paladins are about the same as custodes in most rules implementations
not sure it would be too different
rocky shale
And I get more hours of enjoyment per dollar than mtg since I can just sit and paint without being at the LGS
vital barn
power armour grey knights I guess similar to Deathwatch
jaunty dawn
Should make a kill team for the teleport dudes
floral herald
So Custodes are, sadly probably a bit too much for curent Kill Team as it is
bu...
If you can do Deathwatch you can do Grey Knights
Not sure of specific implementation
pale narwhal
Not sure of specific implementation
There’s a lot of neat design space there (unfortunately gw has just released the anti psyker team so who knows how it’d actually function)
viral crest
Gue'vesa would be neat
desert jay
But if you have a weird fucked ork gun and go “that’s a kustom shoota” people wi...
A weird fucked up ork gun is exactly what a "kustom shoota" is
wide veldt
Gue'vesa would be neat
Yes but that would involve acknowledging they exist lmao
Also real
thin ibex
guys my iron warriors leader is dead, do I crusade as Orkz in a speedwaagh, aeldari as a seer hoste or war host, or as leagues of votann as an acquisitions deployment? Crusade has 2 orks, 2 chaos, and 4 imperials
the chaos are super strong
pastel rampart
jaunty dawn
Exodo it
charred bridge
wide veldt
Just learned that kill teams predecessor inquisitor was at a fucking huge scale
Like the models for it were massive
Which is extremely funny
desert jay
"Sure, big guy, just put on these restraints and we'll get started" "Ooh, spicy"
humble plover
So Custodes are, sadly probably a bit too much for curent Kill Team as it is
bu...
A mixweight team of like 1-3 custodes and some SoS would definitely be doable, but given the newly released Insidiants I can't imagine SoS getting any sort of love in KT for a while
pale narwhal
I could see a singular custode and 4 SoS
But generally terminator equivalents are kinda outta scope for killteam