Oh not to d cannon (necron edition)
#Warhammer and Such
jaunty dawn
pale narwhal
Not quite full, that’s Relentless
Ceaseless is more akin to reroll 1s
floral herald
Not quite full, that’s Relentless
Ceaseless is more akin to reroll 1s
That’s more accurate yeah
I’ve just been really lucky with my shooting with Canoptek haha
atomic apex
also Accurate 1 in Matrix
wide veldt
So how does customization in kill team work
Obviously you don’t really get to pick your units since
The
The kill team is what’s there
atomic apex
you do actually
the one thing I thought I had
atomic apex
generally it's pick X models out of the list of options for your KT
wide veldt
Do u customize their gear?
floral herald
So how does customization in kill team work
So it depends on the team
atomic apex
some models have different weapon loadouts you can choose
floral herald
But basically each team has its own roster selection rules
floral herald
Which range from “you get THESE” to… pretty complicated circumstantial choices
atomic apex
floral herald
Also important - you choose your team composition after knowing who your opponent is
floral herald
So there’s no TAC lists and everyone with options gets to list tailor
atomic apex
yeah you both pick models after knowing what KT you're up against
atomic apex
and then you both pick equipment
wide veldt
I LOVE LIST TAILORING
floral herald
Other end of the spectrum for contrast
atomic apex
Exaction Squad 😌
atomic apex
Other end of the spectrum for contrast
Pathfinders is also very "have a giant list of options, have fun"
floral herald
Yeah Pathfinders are cool there
Blades of Khaine too
Deathwatch are also funny with no mandatory or generic models
atomic apex
yeah
wide veldt
That makes sense for DW
atomic apex
each Deathwatch model is super specialized
floral herald
You will probably take the Watch Sarge and Breacher most games though
I love DW I hope they’re balanced with the most recent nerfs
Cause they felt a little gross to play
floral herald
So it’s hard to say
atomic apex
they got buffed in the last update apparently
floral herald
The latest update hit today
And buffed them and nerfed the meta tyrants
Probably!
They’re probably good now
Their complicated free pick GA2 ability makes them easy to respect
just they sucked ass for a while this edition because the navy gave them nerf darts instead of bullets for a while
atomic apex
Are the navy breachers good
their faction rule is they get to double activate once per round
atomic apex
~~just they sucked ass for a while this edition because the navy gave them nerf ...
god, I forgot they had 1 damage on the long range shotgun
that's so sad
wide veldt
Jesus Christ
Like I know it’s not a big damage number system but
One damage in a shotgun
Is
floral herald
No it was absolute dogshit haha
wide veldt
:(
floral herald
Which I’ll note the Navis Shotguns are still halo shotguns
wide veldt
Upside of playing exclusively on TTS: I can make an admech list without having to consider blowing my head off
floral herald
But now they get so many other buffs their anemic long range shooting is easier to play around
atomic apex
the way KT usually does shotguns is they have a short range profile which is normal
and a long range profile that sucks
floral herald
Upside of playing exclusively on TTS: I can make an admech list without having t...
Nope sorry, the pain is mechanical not model wise in KT
wide veldt
Idk what they’re gonna do to them in 11th but holy shit that whole faction gotta change
floral herald
Both Admech teams are near the top of brain load
wide veldt
Oh yeah I heard their kill team is
atomic apex
and a long range profile that sucks
but have some ways to mitigate this
wide veldt
Oh that’s not the worst, I heard they were kinda ass
floral herald
One of them is complicated buff management and the other is being able to donate actions between models for weird fucking reactive activations
atomic apex
Battle Clade is a techpriest with a bunch of servitors
atomic apex
Battle Clade seemed fun when I played against them one time, but a little bit fiddly yeah
floral herald
One of them is complicated buff management and the other is being able to donate...
And then there’s a guy with archeotech Nike Airs and an absurdly lethal pistol who’s there too
wide veldt
Anyway yeah the not exploding part just applies to 40k
floral herald
They are very fiddly but in a good way
atomic apex
And then there’s a guy with archeotech Nike Airs and an absurdly lethal pistol w...
the Eradication Pistol having 1" Devastating 3 is fucked up
floral herald
They’re not lying about it!
atomic apex
Lethal 5+ too
thin ibex
I've got pathfinders and kroot, really interested in stealth team and space wolf scouts. Still haven't painted the kasrkin i got as a gift for someone
floral herald
It does Eradicate
thin ibex
Haven't played much at all
wide veldt
I am sad admech in the main game is so controversial in ways that like
Are basically disconnected from mechanics lmao
atomic apex
They are very fiddly but in a good way
I do agree, it's not in a bad way yeah
wide veldt
Every time anyone mentions the Admech factions it’s just how expensive it is :(
raven meteor
Which I’ll note the Navis Shotguns are still halo shotguns
What does halo mean in this context? I only know the Device What Fucks You Up Badstyle
wide veldt
Videogame halo I think
atomic apex
that they drastically lose effectiveness after short range
floral herald
What does halo mean in this context? I only know the Device What Fucks You Up Ba...
Good up close, tickle gun at long range
raven meteor
Ahhhhh
I know there's an admech detachment called haloscreed so part of me was like
'Does halo mean 'quality' or'
floral herald
Just like the shotguns in Master Chief Halo
raven meteor
I seeeee
floral herald
Every time anyone mentions the Admech factions it’s just how expensive it is :(
FWIW Battleclade is an easy 1 box team
Hunter Clade is like, the 3rd or 4th most expensive team though lol
wide veldt
Oh yeah I mean like I wouldn’t imagine kill team varies TOO much
floral herald
You’d be surprised haha
A lot of them are 1 box teams
Which are cheap
Some have a lot of options or weird builds so you need 2 for all options
Or good options
A few need way more
floral herald
The worst offender is Harlequins (5 box team iirc), chaos cult (3 box team), and Blades of Khaine (technically a 5 box team for all possible options)
wide veldt
FIVE BOXES???
floral herald
Oh and Warpcoven is worst of all
wide veldt
Welcome to my magical world of small unit tactics
Okay GW
buy 5 boxes of harlequins
No GW
Is…. Is kill team where the modern harlequins come from
floral herald
FIVE BOXES???
In order to build everything possible to use you need 1 box of Scorpions, 2 boxes of Dire Avengers, and 2 boxes of Howling Banshees
jaunty dawn
The stealth suit one?
Fwiw I meant the pathfinder recon drone one
floral herald
No one fuckin runs 6+ Dire Avengers but 6+ Banshees isn’t crazy
jaunty dawn
No its just the harlequin kill team gets to use like their entire hq pool
floral herald
Yeah Harlequins is just like, a bunch of blister pack characters and also 5 normal clowns
wide veldt
And because of the list tailoring stuff it’s a lot more important to have everything
jaunty dawn
Its similar to the gsc team except the hqs in the gsc team already come in a box for sprue reasons
floral herald
And because of the list tailoring stuff it’s a lot more important to have everyt...
It’s very easy to 3 box Blades of Khaine imo
Especially now that Banshees have been nerfed
jaunty dawn
Also relevant that the harlequin kill team is one of the white dwarf kill teams
Which alongside warpcoven and skitarii are like
wide veldt
Especially now that Banshees have been nerfed
Okay but could you image
Imagine
They come out with a new kill team
floral herald
I don’t have to haha
jaunty dawn
Designed to use existing range
wide veldt
That’s the whole thing
jaunty dawn
Like if you have a tsons army or harlequins/admech you pretty much have the teams
floral herald
Yeah
Of specialist teams the worst offenders are probably Exaction or Goremongers
Exaction has really complicated and needful list tailoring and a ton of options to build
Goremongers are just weird because they have such good warriors you kinda want to be able to just skip all your specialists
And the models are very tricky to magnetize
Oh Deathwatch is hard to one box!
I forgot
jaunty dawn
Thats kinda surprising to hear
atomic apex
Exaction Squad is fun
and they do have a lot of options in their model choices
helps that Subductors and Vigilants are actually pretty good
atomic apex
they have the extra strong shields
wide veldt
I always forget white dwarf is like
Real
It’s like if dragon magazine was still a reliable source of rules
pale narwhal
And then there’s a guy with archeotech Nike Airs and an absurdly lethal pistol w...
technoarchaeologist my beloved
I'm looking forward to playing new battleclade after the buffs, losing noospheric spur for an unreliable cp generation sucks but it remains to be seen if moving on network counteract makes up for it
rocky shale
The worst offender is Harlequins (5 box team iirc), chaos cult (3 box team), and...
It's more than 5 boxes if you wanted every exarch option built on an exarch body like a sicko
floral herald
It’s easy to magnetize those options at least
floral herald
technoarchaeologist my beloved
I'm looking forward to playing new battleclade a...
Moving on network counteract seems super valuable to me
atomic apex
oh do they get to move and still act?
wide veldt
The ambull being legends for everyone is the funniest shit ever to me
pale narwhal
Moving on network counteract seems super valuable to me
it opens up a lot
neurocyclic reserve cells got its 'the transferring op cannot shoot or fight' removed as well which is massive
electromantic capacitors no longer needs the retaliating operative to be ready to gain severe
phosphor blasters got blast 1" (still worse than flamers in almost every situation)
floral herald
Holy shit those are good buffs
pale narwhal
oh do they get to move and still act?
move or act
before you couldn't move on a network counteract (as in take move actions) but now you can move up to 2" (and that can be a charge, a dash, or a reposition action) or do anything you could before
pale narwhal
Holy shit those are good buffs
they are yeah. Losing noospheric spur (the underseer's 'give a servitor a dash' action) hurts because it removes a lot of our threat projection but it is in fact pretty good overall for us
mental birch
pastel rampart
Here's the real funny one:
notably the change is in a FAQ answer that misnames the rule in question, and pretty much tells you to ignore the second half of the rule, which is still there and completely unchanged.
wide veldt
Is uh
Looks over
Legions Imperialis still supported
The epic scale stuff with the tiny tiny fellas
soft willow
Yup
They just released a wave of new models and a new book for it not too long ago.
And rumor is there are plans for another one soon.
desert jay
Some of the models were previously playable in 40k era games at that scale and those games had xenos
pastel rampart
Which is to say, Epic 40k/Epic Armageddon.
desert jay
Also Adeptus Titanicus and Aeronautica Imperialis
Aeronautica Imperialis had the best xenos diversity but you can't pay LI with just aircraft
pastel rampart
https://netepic.org/ https://www.net-armageddon.org/ Which has since split into two different camps since GW killed it: the earlier versions of Epic (mostly 2e) and the more streamlined version of Epic Armageddon (4th).
Most people play Epic Armageddon because it's a much easier game to play.
desert jay
Epic 40k and Adeptus Titanicus I think mostly just had Orks and Nids?
pastel rampart
Nah Epic had most of the races.
Various supplements were produced, including Armies of the Imperium (1991), which gave rules for the Space Marines and Imperial Guard, Renegades (1992) which had rules for the forces of Chaos and the Eldar, Ork and Squat Warlords (1992), which featured the Orks and Squats,[13] Hive War (1995), which featured the Tyranids [14] and White Dwarf Presents Space Marine Battles (1993) which was mostly reprints of Epic-related articles from White Dwarf.
This was before Dark Eldar and Necrons of course.
desert jay
Oh I meant the later versions, not the 90s version
I don't see Tau mentioned there either
And Squats vs Votann are sorta... divergent
wide veldt
awww
desert jay
Even if Squats had a decent unit spread in 90s Epic
pastel rampart
E:A started with SMs and Orks, then got Eldar and eventually the rest of them.
The second rulebook released for the fourth edition was Epic: Swordwind, which was released both as hardcopy and as a downloadable PDF from the game's official website.[19] Epic: Swordwind contains army lists for the Biel-Tan Eldar, the Baran Siegemasters, Imperial Guard Army and Warlord Snagga-Snagga's Feral Ork Horde. There has been active involvement of players with playtesting the new armies for the game on the Epic forums, with "army champions" co-ordinating playtesting and revision of the army lists. Unlike other Games Workshop games that use a generic army list for all deployments involving that army, Epic uses specific army lists that represent how an army was fielded in a specific military campaign. There have also been officially released army lists for Da Kult of Speed, an Ork army favouring bikes, the White Scars Space Marines, the Black Legion Chaos Space Marines, and The Lost and the Damned Chaos Cultist army.
GW put out a bunch of lists on their website but that was decades ago now and they long since stopped hosting it themselves.
pastel rampart
Yeeaaah
There's a fair few people who have made their own, either casting and selling or through STLs. FW at one point had some Epic models--I think mostly just Tau, but good luck finding those. You can find lots of old Epic models on ebay, with SMs being the most common.
http://www.powerdice.com/epic/TERRAIN/terrain.html Ah right they did do some terrain too
desert jay
Aeronautica had official models for plenty of different planes tho
pastel rampart
That too.
mental birch
sonic hare
what are these guys
runic swallow
Thallax, I think
Super cool gnarly Mechanicum cyborgs
They’re basically just a skull and central nervous system under all that
pale narwhal
Thallax and Ursarax (their tortureful melee cousins who are in constant agony)
viral crest
tired cairn
that's just biphobic
desert jay
Chaos Undivided are the ones who believe in cooperation and being a team player
tranquil ivy
Chaos Undivided are the ones who believe in cooperation and being a team player
more people to eat
wide veldt
Just learned about the necron lord who thinks he’s still a living dude
That’s fucking rad
Zahndrekh
pale narwhal
Chaos Undivided are the ones who believe in cooperation and being a team player
Night Lords:
desert jay
Okay except thoose guys, fuck those guys
tranquil ivy
y'know, if I didnt already have so many points in Space Marines i'd totally play Chaos
but nah i gotta sit and say "this is a Judiciar"
it works but-
It works.
plus 10d6 auto-hits with dev wounds is always a fun thing to fuck around with :3
ahh the struggles of figuring out what the hell im doing in the 40k scene, lol
mental birch
charred bridge
Nemesis Dreadknight, takes the no helmet aesthetic to the extreme
mental birch
charred bridge
I just want to put Haro on those kin's helm
paper bluff
Just learned about the necron lord who thinks he’s still a living dude
Here's the thing, it might also be a bit
And it's his way of keeping sane while being immortal is just committing to the bit so much
mental birch
paper bluff
The most sane necrons at the moment are ones with hobbies
wide veldt
Is the premium version of new recruit worth it do yall think
Being able to assign leaders seems p nice
Hmmm also I think I’m just gonna do standard awakened dynasty for my OCs baseline
atomic apex
Hmmm also I think I’m just gonna do standard awakened dynasty for my OCs baselin...
Awakened is nice
You do need a bunch of characters though
wide veldt
lmao
Thank you
Also WOW
the macrocytes are a PACKED support unit
Man the ghost ark
Makes me made lmao
sour sequoia
Macrocytes are neat but they’re made of paper
And weirdly costed
Tomb Crawlers really ain’t bad in Cryptek/Canoptek/AD/Starshatter
Getting big bricks of infantry to 2+ to hit and reroll 1s or full rerolls ignoring mods makes them actually pretty menacing shooting
atomic apex
Tomb Crawlers really ain’t bad in Cryptek/Canoptek/AD/Starshatter
If nothing else, they're 6 extra wounds to protect whatever you attached that cryptek to
atomic apex
Man the ghost ark
Check out the Doomsday Ark too
wide veldt
Hehe veil of darkness on Technomancer
You already know what he’s leading
Me taking two overlords because they’re the only thing that can lead lychguard which I like as a nice melee anchor
The other is my actual warlord who is teleporting around and providing support
wide veldt
Check out the Doomsday Ark too
Oh my god the cannon on that is insane what the fuck
atomic apex
Me taking two overlords because they’re the only thing that can lead lychguard w...
Lychguard with an Overlord and a Technomancer is great as a melee brick that just doesn't die
great for pushing onto objectives
wide veldt
That’s true second technimancer
(The first is an asshole and is leading wraiths)
“Wow the macrocytes have 8inch movement” they will not be using it
They will be standing 3 inches behind everyone else
Wow deathmarks you are
Underwhelming
sonic hare
cool ass sniper rifle that hits as hard as a regular gun but from far away
atomic apex
:)
wide veldt
You finally defeat my lychguard
I Rez them with 5 wounds
My reanimator approaches in the distance
You shall find no god here
atomic apex
I need to tinker around more with Necrons too
I made one kinda silly all Destroyer list for the lark when Cursed Legion came out, and then a few more normal lists with Awakened trying out stuff
wide veldt
Here’s my OC dynasty list
I think who leads who should be self explanatory? Other than my overlord leads the immortals w the plasmancer
sour sequoia
Techno hasn’t been able to attach to lychguard in 3 years
That shit vanished with codex
Given that the full brick outfights literally anything in the game when given a res orb and a 5+++
rocky shale
You finally defeat my lychguard
Notably if you actually destroy all the lychguard then they can't be rezzed, since the character pops off when the unit is destroyed.
thin ibex
i do wish there was more reason to take the polearm version
raven meteor
I do find that whole 'pops off' thing with leaders strange
Why does my Hospitaller need an emotional support bestie to perform life saving semi-miraculous surgery
rocky shale
I think it makes stuff like necrons not even more impossible to kill
thin ibex
from a simulationist point of view it doesnt make a lot of sense, but it makes sense mechanically
it solidifies it being a trait of leadership instead of a thing that's always on
rocky shale
It would also mean you could like, farm fixed no prisoners by just shooting the models off the leader every turn and let them regen
pulsar cairn
so question
since herebus doesnt seem to show up much in 40k
is there any word bearer character who's taking the spotlight for books and whatnot these days?
thin ibex
not in specific that im aware of
we don't currently have a lot of like... iconics for chaos legions perse. We've got Abby for the Black Legion, we've got Honsou for the Iron Warriors, we've got Lucius for the EC, Typhus for the DG, Kharne for the WE, Ahriman for the TS. No one that comes to mind for WB
I don't think Lufgt Huron counts as a legion iconic because the red corsairs are not sourced from a traitor legion
pulsar cairn
yeah 
sounds like they just dont have anyone for now
floral herald
Almost all of the legions have a named character except the word bearers
Kor Phaeron used to be the higher profile one iirc
(Ok several don’t actually haha)
misty violet
Iirc I think the closest the Word Bearers get is Eliphas the Inheritor from DoW
Who has since been acknowledged in Horus Heresy books
paper bluff
Almost all of the legions have a named character except the word bearers
OH on table top
paper bluff
atomic apex
Scaevola 😌
love her
she's such a catty bitch for a techpriest
really looking forward to Mechanicus 2
vital barn
it's going to be very fun having her personally beat the shit out of things
raven meteor
Oh, is Mechanicus 2 bringing the Big Fellas to the battlefield
vital barn
I believe it's heroes + chaff for both sides, yeah
rather than the six amigos blasting everything w/ maybe a couple of skits on the side
atomic apex
yeah you have the named characters as leaders this time
instead of the generic techpriests of the first one
with each of the leaders having their own gimmicks and skill trees
also the Necrons are playable this time
which is gonna be fun
tired cairn
Do they get their own campaign?
atomic apex
yes
tired cairn
Can't wait to be crotchety old men yelling at the tech priests to get off my tombworld
atomic apex
we also know Votann are gonna be there as an interfering third party
and I wonder if they're gonna be playable eventually too
pulsar cairn
i hope so
wide veldt
I’m curious how it’s gonna work cause the first games mechanics are like
100% about being mechnicus if that makes sense
You just straight up can’t put most of the mechanics in a different context
viral crest
Is it really that severe?
Cognition yeah, but they're doing an Awakening thing for Necrons instead
I struggle to think of what else is so incapable of being used by a different faction, especially the Necrons
wide veldt
I mean but cogitation tied into literally everything
sour sequoia
I mean AdMech is literally Necron Cargo Cult
If you were gonna bleed over anybody to anybody its those two
Anything shy of lychguard in Necrons is stupid as all fuck and requires command protocols from a higher up, its not that different than needing the techpriests running everything
And even lychguard have the custodes zero-independent-will-beyond-GetDownMrPresident bit going
atomic apex
I mean but cogitation tied into literally everything
Necron don't have cognition, they instead accumulate Dominion as the fight progresses
Which gives all their units buffs when reaching certain thresholds
desert jay
I mean AdMech is literally Necron Cargo Cult
Well they're mostly DAOT cargo cult, but will loot Tomb Worlds as a special treat
jaunty dawn
Well its the fact their entire religion is like
The dreams of a shard of the void dragon
charred bridge
Technically a c'tan cargo cult
C'tan weren't really allied with Necrons at that point
desert jay
I don't think that part counts as a cargo cult either
charred bridge
Just a straight up cult
desert jay
"We have a buried star god that we listen to the secret dreams of" yeah that's just a normal cult (classical Greek sense)
tired cairn
They are a cult that processes and makes a lot of cargo though
vital barn
one of the many many many subcults of the Admech is Necron Cargo Cult
the rest do all kinds of shit
usually involving killing each other
charred bridge
Cargo cult but because you're a cult of logistics
Opening someone's mail is punishable by death
rotund flax
They are a cult that processes and makes a lot of cargo though
Cargo cult (logistics) as opposed to cargo cult (unknown technology)
Damn you, slow WiFi!
Made my joke late
charred bridge
All packages must be delivered at all cost even by force
pulsar cairn
will they be on time or giga late
charred bridge
If you die to a mail bomb then it is simply the will of the Postal Office
tired cairn
All packages must be delivered at all cost even by force
I think that's the Administratum + Arbites
charred bridge
will they be on time or giga late
On time, couriers may have absolute legal autonomy but if the mail is late they are to be executed
tired cairn
Do AdMech worlds also have to pay the tithe? Or are there other reasons they provide so many goods to the Imperium,m
charred bridge
Yesn't
They don't have to pay tithe but must uphold a deal between emps and old mars which has them supply something
So soldiers to guard aren't necessary if they churn out tanks
tired cairn
So they have definitely-not-the-tithe
charred bridge
I think that's the Administratum + Arbites
Administratum would never be on time
desert jay
They don't pay the tithe in manpower
charred bridge
You'd get emergency ration relief 2 to 3 business centuries late if at all
desert jay
If you're especially productive in something else you can get exemptions that way too
jaunty dawn
Its like a grade mechanicus tithe or whatevrr
tired cairn
Administratum would never be on time
They'll still use force over being late though
charred bridge
Approval of force was lost in the system
charred bridge
And investigation of this loss was also lost. Self determined audits conclude nothing is wrong and needs no punishment or change
tired cairn
I don't think the Imperium has the concept of needing approval for force >.>
tired cairn
Its adeptus non which is the same used by astartes worlds and knight worlds
Oh, that means no tithe right? I'm surprised Knight houses are under that
charred bridge
Needing approval and demanding approval is different, as long as paperwork is done
tired cairn
I guess there are practical reasons for forgeworlds to make goods for the Imperium. Tbh you could pretty easily convince me they do it for the joy of making stuff lol
charred bridge
Or clerk makes a mistake on a 80 hour nonstop shift pumped up by drugs and your approval for self defense was revoked retroactively
The citizens aren't having fun for sure
The governing ad mech probably are having a blast, they don't need to talk to the preservitors
Mostly
charred bridge
Iirc most forge worlds are technically governed by a non ad mech governor to do actual administration, so ad mech can focus on their own dealio
jaunty dawn
So all it really means is that the administratum isnt in charge of where your stuff goes
Like mechanicus deal with organisations directly
charred bridge
That is a big difference, administratum handles tithes directly from they get it from arbites.
Ad mech skip that and can deal with naval fleets, planets, and organizations directly with their own say
jaunty dawn
Knight worlds are bound to another specific world? And like in the case of questor imperialis I think basically that means their tithe goes through their liegelords tithe
charred bridge
Knights are bound under ad mech iirc
tired cairn
Ah, so Knight avoid it because of their feudal oaths (which typically includes their own tithe)?
jaunty dawn
While questor imperialis have the imperium
charred bridge
Nvm you're right it's like half and half imperium or ad mech
jaunty dawn
I think the main way they contribute tho is having big knights
charred bridge
It's Titans that's under ad mech, that's I got it mixed up with
jaunty dawn
Oh, yeah
tired cairn
So Ad Mech are obligated to provide a certain level of stuff to the Imperium, but they get to be more choosey? Do they also trade/call in favors as well or instead?
jaunty dawn
But knight houses also have a whole bunch of oaths like space marines chapters do so its like
tired cairn
I think the main way they contribute tho is having big knights
Probably the way the Knight Households like to do it too lol
jaunty dawn
Hawkshroud do stuff if space wolves ask
wide veldt
In reality the imperium is insanely corrupt lmao
vital barn
In practice the knight worlds have little to give other than knightly military service
wide veldt
So yes
vital barn
Like real knights their tithe is asskicking
jaunty dawn
The ad mech are like
They have some benefits from the historical mechanicum but in 40k are very much brought to heel under the high lords
which is somewhat balanced by them being a high lord
vital barn
Well, as brought to heel as any imperial institution is
jaunty dawn
Yeah but compared to like
vital barn
It's mentioned at least once that if an inquisitor went into an admech enclave and ended up deep sixed there wouldn't be too many raised eyebrows, for instance
jaunty dawn
The gc era imperium that is like a fully two bodied empire
vital barn
Yeah they're not what they once were
same as the marine legions now being much smaller and more easily bossed around chapters
jaunty dawn
Um but yeah and then astartes worlds dont have to do tithe but the chapters themselves tithe gene seed
And in ultramar they do their own tithe for ultramar things and ultramars private army etc etc
vital barn
Magi and Chapter Masters are still powerful lords unto themselves but they're not quite as independent as they once were with Primarchs and the Mechanicum
Theoretically there's interesting things to write about the military politics of the Mechanicum as it becomes the Mechanicus but it never really comes up outside Alan Bligh's work
jaunty dawn
All of ultramar is considered adeptus non but in practice it just means that the economy of the region is entirely controlled by the ultramarines
And now titus is on a quest to rebuild ultramar for gulliman. Definitely not anything controversial
jaunty dawn
Theyre kinda like
A cargo cult but then as you get more initiated you realise its less of one and also an intentional one at the same time
Or something
Which is kinda the whole inspiration
vital barn
It's more of a medieval guild
Lots of deep mysteries, most of which have answers but the answers are One Guy's personal trade secret
so production of class 4 doom lasers is restricted to him and like six flunkies overseeing personal factory cities
and for everyone maintaining those it's a cargo cult
tired cairn
There is a doctrine of cargo culting in that they ostensibly don't believe in new research versus discovering old technology and how to build it. Though that one is probably the least well-followed lol
charred bridge
So Ad Mech are obligated to provide a certain level of stuff to the Imperium, bu...
They do, basically large scale vendors with quite a bit of autonomy
Since they're technically still a separate state even if the reality is lesso
They get to do their own negotiations and pick who to trade with for the most part and do often call in favors
vital barn
other way around actually
charred bridge
Unless fab Gen says otherwise
vital barn
they are no longer a separate state as of the Binary Succession but they kept many of the perks
charred bridge
Ah ok
vital barn
really the bigger political shift is that the other forge worlds were brought more tightly under the control of Mars itself
since during the great crusade they were basically thousands of small empires in a trenchcoat
charred bridge
Yea I forgot that nutty forge world that made the best plasma based tech
Which by itself was like on par if not stronger than Mars military wise
vital barn
yeah they got invaded by billions of orks and used it as an excuse to spend sixty years of war field testing their latest shit
charred bridge
I do remember ryza quite well with their wild titan siege during HH
vital barn
ryza gets invaded a lot
they got nearly levelled in the titanicus book, got invaded by an absurd number of orks, fought those off and then had a bunch of daemons dropped on them by the rift
might be why they love melee so much
charred bridge
Ah I'm thinking about Gryphonne which used to have defence that rivaled or surpassed mars bit I guess now it very much isn't a contender after leviathan showed up
Poor ad mech, always the punching bag to show off how strong someone else is
charred bridge
I think the coolest forge world is Graia(?), the ring one that eats planets
vital barn
That's graia, yeah
It's generally assumed they came up with that as an explanation for any Graia is marked as invaded and destroyed about 4 separate times in different places as well as alive and kicking
every time it's invaded it was just a previous Graia that the Crown was using as a host planet
sour sequoia
Well they're *mostly* DAOT cargo cult, but will loot Tomb Worlds as a special tr...
Its a little bit more hidden but its real good to look at techpriest/skitarii limb joints and gribblies
They mirror canoptek design motifs very very consistently across the range
vital barn
I'll be honest short of "both are robotic and have ball joints" I haven't seen much similarity there myself
I guess comrade dominus also has a bunch of spider legs but that's pretty much it
quaint compass
They both inhabit the "robotic bodies + somewhat post-human bodies" niches
sour sequoia
I'll be honest short of "both are robotic and have ball joints" I haven't seen m...
The ball joints + concave segmented limbs doesn’t show up in other cybernetics in the setting
vital barn
Lord Discordant definitely has ball joints
Limbs maybe, although outside of Admech and Necrons there aren't a ton of other people running around with cybernetic limbs that aren't covered in power armour anyway
charred bridge
They both inhabit the "robotic bodies + somewhat post-human bodies" niches
Technically Necrons aren't post human, they were never human
desert jay
Postnecrontyr
quaint compass
Let us not get mired in semantics. I've lost many good friends in those swamps.
Like no man's land in the Great War, it is.
paper bluff
Postnecrontyr
iiirc, they don't remember what their race was called orginally, funnily I do remeber that necrotyr mean pre-necron
the silent king is the only necron with proper wrists tho
on the joints convo
runic swallow
It's generally assumed they came up with that as an explanation for any Graia is...
I’d never heard that, that’s such a funny explanation for that fuckup
Also, a pretty cool concept
wide veldt
Fucking Insane
mental birch
raven meteor
I finally watched the trailer for Penitence and waow
It looks really cool.........
I'm not sure how I feel about what they did with the sister's visors, admittedly
They look more like a fixed-in-place Needless Protuberance here and less like the the liftable face plate I've always assumed they were
Considering they're pretty clearly Space Sallets
Or rather, the 'faceplate' bit is just a lot more pronounced here than others I've seen
(It would be really cool if the visor lifts up but the more I look at them the more it seems likely that they've never been intended to lift up)
runic swallow
They look more like a fixed-in-place Needless Protuberance here and less like th...
They are liftable, it’s been shown in multiple things
dense sedge
Sculpting scary
choas sisters?
raven meteor
They are liftable, it’s been shown in multiple things
Oh neat!
south axle
Aestred Thurga is the one that pops to mind first for me
jaunty dawn
Oh, The Enforcer’s gun is another Londaxi weapon
(Previously mentioned in the kroot farstalker’s londaxi tribalest)
junior robin
looked them up and they also trade with eldar corsairs, feels like they must be doing good stuff if eldar wants it
past sphinx
Oh, The Enforcer’s gun is another Londaxi weapon
very funny that they hype results in a uhh one powerfist and a bolt rifle shot
granted im still happy huron found love
big fan of the model
but 🙁 rules
jaunty dawn
Yeahhh
pulsar cairn
Huron is the red corsairs guy, right?
past sphinx
particually with terminators
past sphinx
"YOU HAVE WALKED WITHIN 9, ENJOY THIS 5 INCH CHARGE GOOFY"
thin ibex
reactive move + bonus OC and a real good general purpose melee profile is nice
very versatile
past sphinx
10 man brick of terminators + command squad + huron is a fucking doom ball of shit
thin ibex
makes termies real quick too
past sphinx
or 10 man of chosen + command squad + huron fits in a Spartan for my fellow legends chads
thin ibex
10 man termie brick moving across the map at a dead sprint
paper bluff
How many wounds total does huron's command squad have?
paper bluff
And that corpsemaster guy would be able to bring back huron,
What was the keyword heretic astartes?
For the unit
jaunty dawn
I dont think he can do huron cause hes a character
junior robin
bit sad that the psyker only gets a ranged and melee attack.
jaunty dawn
Mm
Ummm
I think using the cawl etc format would work better for this type of squad
Rather than just choosing two characters at random to actually have rules
Idk its weird
junior robin
also feels a bit funny that they decided to go the hard route with sargotta and give her separate stats instead of just say "her dais gives her +1 T/W/Sv"
junior robin
so I own too many space marine parts that are now too small and I want to get my friends to build with them this summer but I also want to play with them but not sure what.
should I 1: each do small 3rd ed space marine / CSM army to battle with or 2: homebrew CSM 3.5 skirmish game?
maybe go with 4th ed kill team 🤔
pine matrix
I'm a bit bummed all the Red Corsairs characters are mashed into one unit, they hyped them up so much I thought they'd all be independent
Guess it's kinda Court of the Archon like, but Courts didn't have named characters
pale narwhal
it's the counterpart to the ultramarines wardens of ultramar
is what I think it boils down to
pine matrix
Can't wait for Abaddon's Nightmare Blunt Rotation unit
Also as cool as having human support models for the big space marines, it is funny they keep bringing ship captains down onto the battlefield
Lotara, you're cool and all, but shouldn't you be on the bridge
jaunty dawn
The wardens would also be cooler seperated tbf
wide veldt
Totally unrelated
Cursed Legion is a really cool necron detatchment
I REALLY LIKE how some of the enhancements let you turn characters INTO destroyer cult fellas
I’m gonna use it to make a destroyer cult detatchment for my OC dynasty
atomic apex
Cursed Legion is fun yeah
wide veldt
With my lore idea being that my guys just keep destroyers in like
atomic apex
the extra Strength is also pretty neat
wide veldt
A funny little dream simulation of murdering shit
Until they need to put the hammer down on some motherfuckers
It’s basically their exterminatus
(Since my Necrons are…. ‘Good’)
floral herald
I'm a bit bummed all the Red Corsairs characters are mashed into one unit, they ...
Same
wide veldt
We don’t let the serial killers out on every fight
Just the ones where you’ve rebelled too many times
And now you get the psychopath legion sorry fellas
vital barn
I love inter-necron politics
Twice-Dead King gives it that little bit of past-life-hatred zest
wide veldt
Man Yknow what
The hexmark destroyer is a lot scarier when those pistols are fucking strength 8
paper bluff
Man Yknow what
That Twice dead king is a trans book?
atomic apex
love Hexmarks 😌
junior summit
A funny little dream simulation of murdering shit
they do this in twice dead king
there's like three stable ones who listen to the overlord and then everyone else gets kept in the tube
atomic apex
that's great honestly
junior summit
the overlord uses them like a missile
wide veldt
Pistols can be fired in melee right that’s their whole thing
Like you get to do shoot phase even tho you’re in melee
Because if I’m reading this right in melee the hexmark destroyer is just a fucking blender
Phase 1 I shoot you with pistols
Phase 2 I beat you to death with hammers
Continue until every one die please
atomic apex
Pistols can be fired in melee right that’s their whole thing
Like you get to do ...
correct
but
- while you are in engagement, you can only fire them at units in engagement
- you can only fire pistols or non pistols when shooting
wide veldt
I see I see
Anyway this detatchment seems bonkers
2 strength is a lot
Like it doesn’t seem like much but it makes weapons start crossing boundaries
atomic apex
it does let you hit quite a few breakpoints
quaint compass
Yeah that's a big thing for making destroyers even destroyier
wide veldt
What the fuck is this
And then I attach him to skorpheks who can have plasmacytes
So add dev wounds to all of this twice per battle
Like what the fuck
Fuck the objectives dude I’m gonna win by killing everyone you’ve ever met
And then it goes EVEN HIGHER
atomic apex
using Murdermind also lets you put Crypteks on any Destroyer squads you want
atomic apex
that one just extends the +2 to all non Destroyer units you have
wide veldt
Ohhh
I’m silly
I misread that as not having a comma after destroyer cult
And was like “okay I mean those units don’t exist so”
In hindsight I’m just silly
Also I cannot describe how mad it makes me that the two necron canopek monsters are legends
Make the centipede real again fuckers
Give him to me
Side note
atomic apex
the only Monster units now is C'than I believe
wide veldt
This is a little silly but is warlord selection only for the points you can get for killing them
sour sequoia
Of which there are like 3
Big deal used to be Knights who would get fucking absurd bennies if they killed the character
sour sequoia
But with the death of secret missions and that knights rule, its super whatever
There’s like an Obeisance Phalanx thing and a funny chaos marines thing and thats it
sour sequoia
Also I cannot describe how mad it makes me that the two necron canopek monsters ...
The thing here is that forge world sucks ass and the more we kill it off the better the game gets
Custodes stand a chance of getting interesting rules now that they’re actually playable and plastic
wide veldt
See but I just want them In plastic
I want a plastic centipede I know they can do it
I’ve seen enough AOS models to know the technology is there
jaunty dawn
Nah its kinda weird that necrons dont have a norn emissary equivalent
wide veldt
Also, as one does
jaunty dawn
But ig that budget got ate by monolith refresh
paper bluff
Nah its kinda weird that necrons dont have a norn emissary equivalent
There is that one thing
wide veldt
The obelisk!
paper bluff
Nah this thing
paper bluff
The heavy construct
wide veldt
He’s…. Certainly the forge world of all time
jaunty dawn
Oh I mean specifically that the norn emissary is a non fw superheavy bug
wide veldt
IE expensive both in points, dollars, and not particularly good ever
rocky shale
Necrons still has the deceiver to update
wide veldt
Or they could update non ctan
paper bluff
rocky shale
Ctan sell well I imagine
paper bluff
IE expensive both in points, dollars, and not particularly good ever
It doesn't even benefit from the canoptic keyword
jaunty dawn
Like as you see necrons have a ton of big fw canoptek but they never got anything that big in plastic
jaunty dawn
It doesn't even benefit from the canoptic keyword
They did that with grot tanks too its dumb
wide veldt
Fuck me why are ghost arks so expensive
jaunty dawn
Whereas the norn emissary once it came out was like a mini dimachaeron
junior summit
how do knights actually swing the chainsword?
jaunty dawn
Extend and spin
jaunty dawn
They have a torso ball joint
junior summit
I guess it being a saw helps, right?
jaunty dawn
Yeah probably
junior summit
because you just need to press it into the target rather than doing sword slashes
rocky shale
Fuck me why are ghost arks so expensive
I think partially it's because part of necrons identity is being a slow army
wide veldt
They only carry one shitty unit
rocky shale
They don't get lots of transports
jaunty dawn
Ghost arks used to be really funny
Cause gauss rifles were really good and a laden ghost ark did a broadside of 15 of them
junior summit
a ghost ark full of warriors used to be a credible threat to a land raider
jaunty dawn
Which doesnt really make sense with how the warriors are depicted in transport but oh well
wide veldt
That’s the one I want to get a refresh is the fucking ghost ark, take the WARRIORS OUT OF IT
and let it transport at least just also immortals
rocky shale
No mobility for you, silly necron player
jaunty dawn
The repair barge aspect is also pretty good when reanimation is good
That might be why it got so expensive actually
wide veldt
Yeah
Now all this being said
The ghost ark is lying
It is NOT the dedicated transport
That, my friends
Is the flying saucer
jaunty dawn
Necrons vehicles also used to have cool defensive abilities
Which a 4++ is very potent dont get me wrong but
wide veldt
Transport: 1 Unit has to be one of the funniest fucking things I’ve seen in my life
rocky shale
Unfortunately you have to disembark from a flyer which makes getting where you want to go miserable
jaunty dawn
Invasion beams u
rocky shale
Minimum 20" move in a straight line only lol
jaunty dawn
It used to have a rule where the transported unit just went into reserves if the scythe got destroyed before deploying
jaunty dawn
Which in a faction which has the monolith is fairly practical
Yeah youre not actually inside
wide veldt
My hexmark with deep strike after the scythe blows up: okay I… guess I just drop again
I appreciate that murdermind gives a +2 to movement so that crypteks can actually keep up with their boys
Since destroyers are usually faster
atomic apex
Plasmancer my beloved
wide veldt
YOURE SO RIGHT
PLASMANCER
What is my purpose?
To sit on points
Ohhhhh ophydian destroyers…. Tunneling horrors is funny
An ophydian lord would be fun
sonic hare
20 piles much better for blocking objectives ive been told since they can soak more and thus get more turns of reanimation
wide veldt
Yeah but then they can’t get in the ghost ark
sonic hare
Just teleport them
wide veldt
Orrrrr I could get 2 units of 20, a night scythe, and be a real cunt
Or I could get TWO nightscythes and really learn how flyers work
sonic hare
the world is you're oyster
wide veldt
So they have to move in straight line and spend inches of movement to pivot
Is my understanding
Hey can you…. Can you have things inside transports that have deep strike
And effectively give those units deep strike via the transport
rocky shale
So they have to move in straight line and spend inches of movement to pivot
They pivot after moving, then have to move straight forward before pivoting again
So you effectively have to Telegraph the direction they're going every turn
rocky shale
And they have to move at least 20"
rocky shale
But if they move off the board they are forced back into reserves
If they have the hover keyword then they can instead be deployed as basically just a really tall vehicle
wide veldt
Okay is this why everyone hates 10e aircraft
rocky shale
Flyers are almost universally unplayable competetively for the entire edition
rocky shale
The 20" minimum and giant bases mean that it's possible to force them off the board by just parking units in every spot that the flyer's base could go in a line from where it's pointing
tired cairn
It can be before or after a transport moves, but if it is after the transport moves, the unit faces additional restrictions (like can't move itself nor charge)
wide veldt
Mhmhm
rocky shale
The quintessential giant warrior blob is overlord+translocation shroud, orikan, 20 necrons
wide veldt
Okay so my strategy of using the night scythes to essentially drop 30 necron warriors where I choose is good
rocky shale
Just 6" auto advance wherever you need to go
wide veldt
That’s what I’ve got on my main list
rocky shale
If your strategy involves more than one night scythe it's probably in a rough spot
wide veldt
…. Fair
rocky shale
If you need to deep strike something why not use a unit with deep strike?
If your warriors are just being a blob on objective they don't really need much help to get there
wide veldt
Theyre… so slow tho
rocky shale
Center objectives aren't that far from deployment zones
Translation shroud
11" move turn 1
Necrons are a slow army
wide veldt
True
quaint compass
Most likely you'll have your locus destroyers firing from any points you've taken, if you manage to push onto them and hold, and if you're holding your own objective, they won't have to move too much
rocky shale
If you need something to deep strike further, bring death marks or Triarch Praetorians ,
But that should generally just be for objectives and picking off the occasional squishy sniper thingy
wide veldt
Yknow I’ve not really looked at praetorians
rocky shale
They're not amazing but they are fast
wide veldt
Man Necrons Orks and Tau really have captured me mechanically
I wanna build like 6 armies of each
rocky shale
They're a hybrid unit that does okay roaming
wide veldt
Like I wanna build hypercypt teleport fuck army now
rocky shale
More damage output but a bit slower than tomb blades
wide veldt
Because I’ve become enamored with the idea of just
Spawning 20 warriors
In an inconvenient location
rocky shale
Hypercrypt still doesn't really let you do that
Unless that location is near your monolith
wide veldt
Fair
rocky shale
The warrior blob is gonna shamble somewhere then just be a pain to remove
There's not really a good way to deliver 22 models up the board
rocky shale
The night scythe has a cool rule but its bait
If you want to dump a hilarious amount of points up board go play seer council eldar
Teleport 480 points of elves anywhere on the board outside of 9" of the enemy every turn
rocky shale
Why so many scarab?
They don't really do much
Destroyer ankh on the command barge is certainly a thing
You kinda miss out on being able to use strats on a big lychguard blob tho
rocky shale
https://www.newrecruit.eu/app/list/TN3ov
So what's the plan behind 250 points of scarab and scarab accessories?
wide veldt
Uhhhhh
S
Scarabs
Yeah I’m gonna be honest I kinda started running out of ideas around there
Short of just More Guys
Like just more destroyers lol
I could probably get rid of them and up the ophidians to 6 each and make them real scary
rocky shale
I'm this detachment running an overlord with destroyer ankh and a lychguard brick is super fun
wide veldt
Wait do
rocky shale
Since he let's the entire squad use destroyer strats
rocky shale
No
wide veldt
Okay lol
rocky shale
But if the strat says "target destroyer unit" then the overlord is making it a destroyer unit
Because he is a destroyer model
rocky shale
You could keep it but just give the ankh to something that actually benefits from the strats
Most of your strats exclude vehicles anyways
Other than that I would just ditch the scarab for some utility pieces like Praetorians or death marks or tomb blades
Maybe bring more anti tank? Only one unit of heavy destroyers is gonna do much to a leman russ
rocky shale
You have a lot of stuff that wounds a space marine on 2s but almost nothing S12+
wide veldt
Man I really like deathmarks conceptually
But that weapon is just
So anemic
I mean it’s not the worst but strength 5 is wild lmao
rocky shale
That wounds space marines on 3s
Notice how they're also super cheap
12ppm with deep strike is a steal regardless of what gun they have
wide veldt
Fair enough lol
I’ll grab a unit of them you rascal
Also technically strength 7 with my detatchment since
I just make the destroys shoot first
And they will almost certainly kill or bloody a unit
rocky shale
When I play games and go against someone who just starts everything on board with no movement shenanigans I'm soooo happy
It means I don't have to screen at all
wide veldt
Me looking at my shirt that says “I love deep strike and the thing where you get to rearrange your units after deployment”
Haha yeah
paper bluff
An ophydian lord would be fun
Is that not just the new guy kinda
wide veldt
The huh
atomic apex
it's just a big beatstick
wide veldt
Oh named guy
atomic apex
yes
atomic apex
shoutouts to Nekrosor Ammentar for using it/it's pronouns though
wide veldt
Ball
But yeah named guys are
Weird
Very rarely do I like fielding them unless they have crazy rules or I like them a lot lol
jaunty dawn
I think the only named character I run as the guy they are is Cawl
Cause cawl is cool so I made my army mars for that reason
Um and then theres stuff like tyranids characters but i dont feel like they count
And celestine is kinda similar but I have a proxy anyway
jaunty dawn
Oh no yeah I do that all the time
wide veldt
It’s REALLY funny that specifically space marines says you ARENT ALLOWED to do that
No one else cares lmao
jaunty dawn
Especially if a named character is a like. Unique unit and not just slightly different characters
10e kinda tends towards the former even with the more generic ppl tho
The space marine codex is weird cause its like. Yeah they dont want you mixing and matching different chapters units n stuff
But as long as you follow those rules mechanically its whatever
wide veldt
Normal characters getting to use enhancements also helps balance it I think
jaunty dawn
Oh yup
But like with commander shadowsun its like. Theres no generic stealth suit commander. Or generic pathfinder commander like darkstrider
rocky shale
It’s REALLY funny that specifically space marines says you ARENT ALLOWED to do t...
You can do it, but regardless of your reflavor they don't lose their dark templars/blood angels/whatever keywords
Since those have rules relevancy
wide veldt
Yeagh
rocky shale
But that's more so you can't just do best of everything soup
wide veldt
Oh absolutely
I just think it’s funny that only space marines has bloated to such like
Insane proportions
That have have to avoid soup WITHIN THEIR ARMY
jaunty dawn
Its also kinda a weird 10e where like
Every other faction used to work essentially the same way but just dont any more
I guess apart from like
Farsight banning ethereals
wide veldt
…. Huh
jaunty dawn
But theres still nothing stopping you from doing a farsight shadowsun teamup
wide veldt
I mean I think it makes more sense - no reason…. Sera’s and Trazyn couldn’t work together
jaunty dawn
But the point being farsight used to require you to be playing farsight enclaves (or at least using the rules)
jaunty dawn
Yeah
wide veldt
Which is a 100% positive change
The generic mechanical subfactions are an infinitely better idea
At least imo
I’m sure some people prefer the old way
jaunty dawn
Its pretty hard to think of factions who had enough characters that it makes a difference haha
Like tau is the main one I think, just cause the farsight enclaves and the rest of the faction is so. Antagonistic
Shadowsun used to be tau only but then became an any sept unit because she got promoted
raven meteor
Broadly I like doing My Dudes but
I admit I like Morvenn Vahl
Helps that the Argent Shroud are my favorite sisters order so I can do My Gals AND Val
wide veldt
Its pretty hard to think of factions who had enough characters that it makes a d...
I guess old one eye in tyranids
Is funny to be showing up in other fleets
jaunty dawn
Oh no technically like
Old one eye is both a specific carnifex who was on calth and a recurring mutation thing like the other tyranid characters
atomic apex
Nid characters are more like pattern groups too
jaunty dawn
And calth old one eye has never really been supported because youd have to be able to play feral nids
Cawl had a thing where he was always mars but if you took him in different forge world he didnt ruin your ability he just didnt benefit
wide veldt
Are feral nids disconnected from the hive mind?
atomic apex
Are feral nids disconnected from the hive mind?
From the greater hive fleet, yes
jaunty dawn
Or at least a network thats fleet sized
wide veldt
Sounds Neat
jaunty dawn
I think ghaz also became a supreme commander where he could lead any clan but only benefitted from goffs
wide veldt
That happening to enough nids that they became their own hive mind with divergent goals would fuck
jaunty dawn
And so thats like the intermediate step
Nid fleets can be opposed yeah
They can also collaborate
Basically seperation eventually causes their networks to not communicate and usually that means the bigger hive fleet eats the smaller hive fleet but sometimes it means the big hive fleet gives food the small hive fleet cause the small hive fleet hunts daemons
Its kinda fractal-y
pastel rampart
It's also possible for a genus of tyranids to be disconnected from the hivemind for so long that they evolve into their own separate species.
wide veldt
One that can kiss
Wait fuck that’s just genestealers
I invented genestealers
I’m gonna be honest if you put boobs on a genestealer I’d be in the cult so fucking fast
Oh hey they retroactively gave norn assimilation harvester
pastel rampart
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Squig_Swarm These were one such case, though they've long since been phased out of the game.
wide veldt
Oh my god is there still not a shooting detatchment for nids
They hate Kronos so much
pastel rampart
Catachan Devil is probably a tyranid organism.
wide veldt
That’s wild
pastel rampart
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Kraken_(Sea_Creature) Fenris has its own possible 'nid organism too.
wide veldt
It would be funny to have a “the tyranids are morphing into the ultimate organism” plotline and then just have a white and purple ork pop out
pastel rampart
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Zoat Zoats are also a weird case.
wide veldt
Are they even canon anymore
wide veldt
Oh shit for real
jaunty dawn
Blackstone fortress guy
wide veldt
Looks at you blankly
jaunty dawn
Oh just a 40k board game that had minis
A lot of them being kinda like, lesser depicted parts of the setting I guess?
Like it had a rogue trader dude, a navigator, kroot and ratlings which were their first models in ages
A man of iron who people like
Chaos beastmen! Before they got a kill team
Uh I think it was the first place that the new csm design/scale
All this to say a bunch of weird stuff some of which is less weird in retrospect
wide veldt
:…. there’s a tyranid warrior detachment but not a Kronos one
:/
The blackstone stuff is cool
jaunty dawn
Tyranids got the first codex I think and they didnt really know how to write a detachment then
😭
Synaptic nexus can do some shooting but not really kronos style shooting
Crusher stampede would be it probably if crusher stampede wasnt really bad
past sphinx
every single thing in 40k is canon
even the half elf half spacemarine librarian
somethings are just less canon than others
but inquisitor obiwan sherlock clousseau is most canon
thin ibex
I feel like crusher is much better is casuals than comp because unwise split fire happens way more in casuals
wide veldt
every single thing in 40k is canon
Okay they SAY this
But like
Like the stuff from Rogue Trader, the first edition of Warhammer, isn’t canon
Objectively
past sphinx
from a certain point of view
floral herald
A lot of stuff from Rogue Trader is still canon
Some of it has been overwritten later but a shocking amount hasn’t
wide veldt
You get what I mean tho
past sphinx
Harliquins and deathjesters are basically unchanged
and a bunch of it ended up in some ways in horus heresy
black library fuckin loves a good old recontextualization
Leetu is a whole fucking character based off this dusty old fuck
jaunty dawn
Orks dont get pregnant anymore though
raven meteor
I must imagine some of the very
Intersting
Squid-o-types are no longer canon
Even if the hair squigs still are thanks to that one guy
jaunty dawn
Like while there is a surprising amount of stuff that sticks around and like
Theres not a like event horizon of decanonisation
And theres also contradictory stuff to make up your own mind abt
There is also a lot of stuff that plainly isnt canon anymore
past sphinx
personally i still believe the primarchs where simply generals and the entire heresy is propaganda
pastel rampart
Orks dont get pregnant anymore though
AO3 begs to differ.
jaunty dawn
I dont think there is any ao3 fanfic about marsupial orks in the 40k universe
At current time, at least, it wouldnt be too hard to make a liar of me otherwise
raven meteor
Are Squigpipes still canon,
floral herald
You get what I mean tho
I do but I’m also being sincere, I read over RT and it’s kind of wild how much of the modern setting is there
Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau might not be able to have that name
But the axe from the armory chapter is in Darktide
past sphinx
Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau might not be able to have that name
he would turn up be named like inquisitor Osc or some shit and have a vaguely described yinyang as his inquisitorial heraldry or some shit
runic swallow
Are Squigpipes still canon,
That looks like a fella you’d see in the Mesozoic or something
misty violet
This is the most insane I have seen modern 40k lore get in a random codex sidebar and I am all here for it
I love the idea of the Chaos Knights round table
past sphinx
soemtimes modern writers 40k get to smoke the good shit
James still has a stash from the old days
when the snow was pure and soul was at the top of its game
charred bridge
The good old days when the drugs you bought were just the drugs you got, or at least people didnt worry as much about it being cut with stuff
junior summit
people have been worrying about cut drugs since it was legal to openly sell paraphenalia
there's ads for a number of home coke testing kits
charred bridge
Yea but there's degrees of it
Now it's quite a bit more paranoia than 70/80s from people that buy drugs. You wouldn't really haven't gotten the widespread does this weed/coke have fent paranoia as much
junior summit
fent sure but testing for adulterants was already a thing
charred bridge
I'm not saying it wasn't a thing
It was meant to be a one off nostalgia good old days joke rather than a claim