Warhammer and Such

[sour sequoia]

They’re both pretty rarely played, I dunno on that

At least tourneys

[soft willow]

Hmm. I haven't checked in on it after the codex hype so maybe so?

[sour sequoia]

North Rockies Circuit has a pretty significant overrep for population on both with. 3 votann players and 1 GSC

[soft willow]

That's not really a stastically significant number for either then.

[vital barn]

messing around with potential crusade lists and I quite like the sheer amount of random bullshit in here that can kill maybe half a squad of marines

every ten seconds an IED goes off or a random maniac throws himself out of a window into your squad and kills Battle-Brother Johnnicus

[sour sequoia]

Oh without a doubt lmao I gotta check a bigger high competitive circuit like cali or Denver

[vital barn]

and then you clean it up and go "well this sucks"

[sour sequoia]

I like north rockies because its mine but we’re a bunch of insane mountain people doing warhammer cultivation

5 people in top 100 players for a circuit of like… 300 total

[vital barn]

I hate to be mean but it was funny how many comments you made in London gave the strong impression that your town is a giant games workshop, an airport and a bunch of those cardboard cutout houses from Blazing Saddles

[sour sequoia]

Best DA player in the world lives 30 minutes up the mountain from me

[soft willow]

Yeah we have some great weird shit happening over here in the IL/WI area too, but it's not always representative of the whole game.

[sour sequoia]

Yes

[soft willow]

No that's pretty accurate for a lot of the US.

[vital barn]

to be fair I also live in an annoyingly small and boring town and we don't do any warhammer cultivation

I need to get out of here

[soft willow]

Move to the north rockies apparently.

[vital barn]

not because it's unpleasant but because it's just nice enough that you don't notice an entire year has gone past in which you did basically nothing long-term useful

[tired cairn]

Remember, 3(?) space marines dying off-screen to a bunch of Genestealer cultists is lore-accurate

[vital barn]

many nice retired old ladies who bring me random vegetables in summer, very little prospect of good employment

[sour sequoia]

I love listening to people talk up their local sharks who then get fed to John Holbrook and James Walsh

And Colin Kay if he got a day off

[junior summit]

the GSC "I cast summon bomb" character is very funny

[soft willow]

You know any of the Tundra Tactics guys?

[vital barn]

the last decision I'm making for my crusade list is whether I want Reze Chainsawman and a nice enhancement or two of the Clan Eshin assassin nutcases

I do love the reductus

[junior summit]

also just in terms of meshing the rules with the lore having the remote bombs be indirect to represent them being placed beforehand is really cool

[vital barn]

it's easily the best implementation of that kind of combat engineer character I've ever seen

[junior summit]

yeah

[vital barn]

if this was an escalation league rather than 1k suddenly shifting to 2k I would struggle not to immediately add three of them

[sour sequoia]

Names & faces are familiar! I’ve seen em at 1 or 2 tourneys but I ain’t talked to em much

Solidly a mid table hero here 😔

Top 100 for my faction means fuckall up here and I am fed to our playerbase of 40% world eaters/blood angels/black templars

[soft willow]

They're my local competitive sweats, I play with a more casualcore crowd.

[soft willow]

Someday you'll get to play something that isn't Gladius.

[sour sequoia]

Get em to hit up Beerhammer. April. Its a great time in a beautiful spot of the world and the drive will be doable that time of year

[soft willow]

Got a BCP link? I'll lob it in their discord.

[sour sequoia]

https://www.bestcoastpairings.com/event/ej527BUwtMoo?active_tab=roster

[thin ibex]

I really enjoyed brandfast. Mind you I'm not a high level player, but I like mechanized votann

Haven't tried other configurations

[soft willow]

Brandfast is fun and solid, but Hearthband seems to be the detachment to go for these days.

[past sphinx]

i really need to experiment more with my detechment choices

[thin ibex]

Hearth band is the bum standard right?

[atomic apex]

that's Needgard Oathband I think

Hearthband gives reroll 1s on Wounds when attacking the closest target, +1 AP as well if it's an Einhyr unit

[sour sequoia]

I think the only real dud is Delve because you shouldn’t be buying that many berserks with no use anywhere else, like, on a practicality of being in the hobby level

Votann is a strong codex tbh

Hearthband and Brandfast fuck immensely

[soft willow]

Hearthband, Oathband and Brandfast are all good allrounder detachments.

Delve is actually getting good results, but I think that's because of the current meta.

You also don't bring 60 berzerks in it.

[atomic apex]

I do kinda wanna mess around with Votann more
and actually try them at 2k some time probably

[soft willow]

Do it. They're fun!

[atomic apex]

I used Hearthfire in my last test, because I just went really heavy on the Steeljacks on a whim

unfortunately messed up and didn't actually get to shoot much with them

[soft willow]

Yeah that's a weird detachment too.

[sour sequoia]

The only reason I’m not playing votann rn is codex rules didn’t exist when I came back in. Technically pretty rigid army rule but its fun the whole time and is usually pretty suited to typical play, it takes genuine oddballs like GSC or Montka Tau to beat you down

You have interesting movement games, good fighting great shooting good durability plays

[atomic apex]

yeah a lot of it is also gonna come down to me not being very good at playing the game yet haha
mostly making mistakes and/or not knowing how to properly leverage certain things
but that's just something that's gonna take time probably

[sour sequoia]

That’s every army, I really wouldn’t be hard on yourself for even the first 50 games

This game is legitimately just fucking hard in a way only like, rawdogging Dota 2 can get to

Every GT I go to has the vibes of waking up for a triple final exam day in school (cant tell you why I like this)

First 8 games I played of necrons I forgot to actually deploy my monolith and would lose 500pts of my army on round 3

[atomic apex]

ah

[viral crest]

Wooo Deployment Phase

not woo 😭

[atomic apex]

at least we're both bad at it 😛

[sour sequoia]

Highly recommend taking an hour or two sometime and just deploying then re-racking until you stop making suuuper immediate mistakes

I think thats the biggest hurdle because you can’t learn the gameplay till you deploy well enough to not autolose

[soft willow]

Also you don't have to play at a competitive level ever to have fun.

[viral crest]

re-racking?

[soft willow]

Depends a lot on who you play with and how y'all like to play

[soft willow]

Deploy, stare at board, remove everything and do it again.

[sour sequoia]

Restarting. Just like. Deploy, “oh I fucked it okay lets do this again”

[atomic apex]

yeah we've just been doing a bunch of friendly test games at 1k points to mess around and try out stuff for now

[sour sequoia]

I think that helps even on casual level because deployment is the thing thats really important and yet you only get one chance to do it

[soft willow]

Yup a great way to see stuff in action and get a taste.

It's not going to tell you the whole story, but you start to see how the game fits together.

[sour sequoia]

Hey you’re already doing what I recommend then you’re on tracj

[soft willow]

And learn model rules which helps.

[sour sequoia]

Nobody should start at 2k

[atomic apex]

oh really?

[sour sequoia]

2k is correct scale of game for play but also JESUS CHRIST

[viral crest]

Speaking of

We're doing one tonight!

hopefully

[past sphinx]

2k is a mental overload much of the time

750 is pretty goated

[sour sequoia]

Allie lemme post my host list for 2k

[past sphinx]

enough for infantry, a tank and an epic hero

[soft willow]

There's a 500 point game mode that's been getting popular recently.

[sour sequoia]

Imagine moving this shit

Imagine managing all your targets

[atomic apex]

just that the increased number of models at 2k increases the complexity that much?

[sour sequoia]

Each neophyte squad is often splitting fire at 3 targets

[past sphinx]

everything has special rules now

[soft willow]

Yup

Lots more play and counterplay to consider

[atomic apex]

fitting any fun stuff into 500 feels like it'd be so difficult lmao

[soft willow]

It has restricted rules on what can show up.

To help balance the game at that level.

Honestly even at 1k the balance skews a bit, which is fine for learning, but not great for the competitive format.

[sour sequoia]

Like its actually just good to slow roll the combat itself and matching weapons and then primary missions and then actions and then secondaries if you’re learning

This game is So Much

And somehow still the most streamlined it’s ever been

3 tourney rounds in a day was not empirically possible prior to 8th and wasn’t fun until 10th

[soft willow]

Hey I played those games in 3rd and 4th and you made it work.

Usually by enforcing a round timer

Did you finish games? Not usually.

[sour sequoia]

I played em in 5th! But I also played tau in the days of shrinking maps and random battle rounds so it was usually “table you in 2 rounds or die”

[soft willow]

Yeah that's oldhammer.

[sour sequoia]

Complete aside but I adore having actual oldheads in here

[soft willow]

I played a Tyranid list in 3rd that was you table me in two turns or I table you on the third.

[sour sequoia]

I tire of chuds in the gamestore ranting only to find out they joined 2018

Childe

[soft willow]

Which is still like three editions ago now.

Which feels a lot longer than it actually is.

[soft willow]

I remember when the old Vyper was the new Vyper.

[wide veldt]

Also man space wolves has so much legends stuff god damn

[past sphinx]

thats because were total legends

https://tenor.com/view/machoman-gif-10750215

[wide veldt]

Me looking at any kind of generic wolf lord being legends

[rocky shale]

I mean that was the case until like 2 weeks ago

[soft willow]

No, two weeks ago it was the 'current' Vyper, but I don't think anyone would have called it "new"

[rocky shale]

Newest

Lol

[soft willow]

https://tenor.com/view/correct-futurama-the-best-kind-of-correct-yes-yep-gif-5787390

[wide veldt]

Also amusing myself by taking the sniper assassin in my space wolf army

Because I love them

It is crazy to look at the legends generic lords

And realize how much customization they have that we don’t anymore lol

[runic swallow]

Yeah it was a great kit for that

[wide veldt]

Please bring back generic lord with 60 gear options

I love that shit

[sour sequoia]

10th is in a weird spot at the tail end of the primaris-ing, he’s probably coming back in 11th

[floral herald]

A lot of that stuff isn’t on the kit

It’s been a while now but GW doesn’t do full armory access models any more since they don’t want rules for models they don’t sell

[sour sequoia]

GW realized how dire a bunch of ranges were for age so it looks like they’re actually doing shit about it

[floral herald]

Which is… partially something which makes sense and mostly IP bullshit

(Albeit competitively most of the options were bad)

[wide veldt]

I mean imo I think the answer to that is to sell like

“oc kits”

[rocky shale]

Something something horus heresy

[floral herald]

Yeah HH does that a lot more

[wide veldt]

I have an IG codex from 2003 that I glanced at

And it’s really fucking funny

The weapons aren’t even part of the data sheet for infantry!!

[floral herald]

Yeah, “datasheets” just didn’t really exist yet

There were standardized stats by then though

[past sphinx]

best we can do is 3 different entirely different lord models with monoloadouts

looking at you jump captains

[thin ibex]

honestly, im on the fence, but leaning towards, no i dont want a generic lord with a bajillion options

because then that lord will have 1 catch all special rule that wont be good for every combination of options

unless he also has a bajillion options for special rules

[floral herald]

That’s… pretty reasonable I didn’t think about that

[past sphinx]

gimmie like 4 choices like the wolf battle leader

[floral herald]

Chaos lords are kinda like that

[past sphinx]

chaos lord options suck tho

[wide veldt]

Yeah I don’t mind if the one guy is split into 4

[floral herald]

Where there’s a shitload of em but most of them have boring general rules

[wide veldt]

I just want generic customizable lords

Well okay

[thin ibex]

and then you'll have like 60 option, but only like 3 that are worth anything

[wide veldt]

So

My ACTUAL wishlist

Would be you can also customize their trait

[floral herald]

Would you like your daemon hammer with a plasma pistol or power fist? =^)

[past sphinx]

theres also an accursed weapon

[wide veldt]

Yeah the “most of these options are objectively wrong” thing pisses me off

[past sphinx]

or chainsword

[wide veldt]

Like damn

[past sphinx]

if you just want dogshit options sprinkled in there

[floral herald]

Yeah there are other printed options

[past sphinx]

baffling

[wide veldt]

It’s funny cause like

[floral herald]

The chainsword is kinda good if you get to list tailor

[wide veldt]

Even in 10e which is pretty streamlined

They have a LOT of levers

To make things viable

Like damn give the chainsword sustained hits

[rocky shale]

The autarch is the same way, tons of options, most of them ass for the squads you actually stick an autarch in

Like yeah you can get a death spinner + scorpion chainsword autatch to lead Warp Spiders, but why would you do that?

[vital barn]

I think the gold standard for Mega Options List units are the 30k Mechanicum Magi

they have all these options plus a selectable trait with another eight or so options and a toggle for Daemonbot Mode or normal

[thin ibex]

usually the mild advantage of a chainsword is more attacks; which incidentally is useful in a few niche match ups, but not great in a generalist sense

[vital barn]

as far as I can tell only about six options here are useless

(sorry Heavy Chainweapons you really don't do shit)

all the traits have at least some use and daemonbot mode is hysterical

[rocky shale]

The other benefit of a more limited list is you don't spend all game going "which one of your liutenants is the one with xyz buffs?" so you don't slam headfirst into the buff monster accidentally

[atomic apex]

well you could theoretically also make their special rule a choice, by just also tying it to wargear

[floral herald]

I remember when I played orks in 4-6e they had literally 1 meaningful choice when buying wargear for a Warboss

[thin ibex]

but yeah in most cases what I see most often is "Wow look at all thse options! Anyway, take a plasma pistol and a thunder hammer."

[floral herald]

(Mega armor or nah)

[vital barn]

funnily enough I count Plasma Pistol as one of the useless options on that list unless you're doing something very particular

[floral herald]

The rest were basically point taxes you could shed if your list REALLY needed it or just bad options

[rocky shale]

Late game crusade half the game is going "hey world eaters player, which of your guys turn into bloodthirsters on death" every round

[vital barn]

(firing protocols plasma pistol + archaeotech pistol + plasma fusil for maximum critfishing, which does work but is expensive)

[floral herald]

(If you went Mega Armor it was also Ghazkhull or nah)

[vital barn]

it helps that a huge number of the options there all do different things

if you have, say, 3 options from each of 6 wargear/gun/trait categories, you have a fuckton of combinations, if you have 18 choices of melee weapon most of them are going to be deadweight

[floral herald]

It’s similar in a lot of video games

Where there’s like 2 dozen guns in idk, counterstrike or battlefield

And everyone uses 3-5 of them 90% of the time

[rocky shale]

You know what actually does sometimes help make crap weapons fun? Crusade weapon mods

Oh your gun is trash at 1D, what if it was 2?

[thin ibex]

theres also a bit of a desire for a choice to meaningfully change and impact the output/role/outcome of your character sometimes. Rather than a stack of minute changes to get your dramatic output.

On one end, its cool to tool up your racecar down to the nuts and bolts; on the other, you have 5 rounds to do something

[vital barn]

that's definitely to taste though, because I do like getting into the weeds with my guys

[thin ibex]

and your thing shouldn't be good because its incomprehensible

absolutely a to taste thing for sure

[vital barn]

like, I would not weep if Horus Heresy power weapons didn't come in four different flavours, but on balance I like that they do

(technically five but swords are bad, the other four all have utility)

[floral herald]

I don’t care for it but it’s HH

The weapon palette is so much smaller than 40K it’s ok

[paper bluff]

I think custodes and sisters of silence actually have more Weapons options in Horace heresy.

[rocky shale]

It works for HH because everyone shares most weapons

[thin ibex]

weirdly i was actually not mad about how they changed crisis suits, which makes me something of a minority for tau oldheads; but I often heard a lot of flack about limiting options, but every deep-in tau player effectively ran crisis suits one way anyway

[floral herald]

Yeah that’s kinda what I mean

It gets lamer when it’s lopsided

[thin ibex]

now i can pick and choose the suits I want, knowing they'll be good at the thing I picked them for

[floral herald]

(Which is to say, xenos armies traditionally having very small armories)

[rocky shale]

I dislike having to memorize every other faction's random profiles and having more of them would cause me pain

Looking at you, primaris bolt-somethings

[tired cairn]

Eh, mostly you trust your opponent doesn't lie to you when they use them/say what they are good against

[thin ibex]

rather than crisis suits being a sort of "Wow look at all these weapon options, anyway slap 3 CIB on every single one of them"

[vital barn]

the largest factionwide weapon selection in 30k actually goes to Militia and Cults

which is the "xenos" faction in that it can play Orks and GSC WYSIWIG out of their boxes

(lacking some flavour compared to a real book of course, but perfectly functional)

and it does let you have squads of attack crocodiles, which I have to appreciate

[rocky shale]

I play a lot of flimsy armies do I generally want to know the whole profile. Every gun is already good at killing elves.

[tired cairn]

TFW you are an ork that somehow got drafted by the planetary administration

Fair

[vital barn]

Custodes in HH actually got a lot of their options cut going into 3.0 so that they matched the 40k armies' boxes

[tired cairn]

What are cults supposed to be in 30k? Would be funny if they were actually GSC

[vital barn]

they are definitely getting at least a couple of new options in the upcoming release so hopefully that was just a temporary thing for the placeholder rules

because in 2.0 they had quite a few entire units that were defined by wargear choices not available in the kit

[thin ibex]

ive mentioned it before, but i often things a little funny that on paper, there are more T3 options/bodies across all factions than there are T4 im pretty sure, and more 1 wound models; but because player basis lives on T4, 2W 3+, things like hte missile launcher's blast setting, which on paper is useful for chaff clear, is kind bunk and not useful at all

[vital barn]

like actual no-bullshit Companions, who had dual scimitars

[thin ibex]

except for eldar missile launchers, which are just natively superior

[vital barn]

I always liked seeing those because they basically amounted to spending 30ppm more for one extra wound against Mechanicum, who all got owned by regular custodes in melee anyway

[rocky shale]

AP0 is a bigger issue generally than S4

[vital barn]

but they were great against marines

[tired cairn]

The meta does not care about overall faction diversity or lore

[rocky shale]

Also while there are a lot of T3 models by faction, space marines are extremely popular in your average tournament or playgroup

[thin ibex]

yup, thats what i was commenting on

[rocky shale]

Ahh

[thin ibex]

it helps that, despite all the ways there are to kill marines, T4, 2W, 3+ save is actually still pretty resilient in most cases

and can reasonably expect to weather some stuff

[wide veldt]

See the previous sniper discussion

[vital barn]

I would like to thank the rockgrinder truck for topping up my anti-MEQ

toyota hilux hits at S10 AP2 D2 in melee for some reason

[thin ibex]

most beginners also prolly appreciate just having 3+s to hit and shoot, 3's for armor, and often wound on 3's/4's against peer units

[vital barn]

one hell of a dozer blade

[rocky shale]

Hitting AP2 + ignores cover is like the perfect statline

[thin ibex]

its super funny for like, the big truck just bashing through a marine thats older than it is

[rocky shale]

Puts basically anything with an invuln on its invuln

[vital barn]

basically every GSC unit other than the Patriarch killing marines is inherently funny

local Custodes squad pushes into city, Reductus explodes 50 kilos of homebrewed fertiliser, 1000 year old warrior atomised instantly

[thin ibex]

"wait you killed a marine with your busted up hand crafted auto gun?" "sure did"

[vital barn]

the long form is "Imperialis Militia and Warp Cults" but everyone just calls them MAC or Militia

the cult rogue psykers are vaguely entertaining because to prevent them being dirt cheap buffs for non-chaff allied units they're embedded in a squad of guardsmen whose only job is to beat them up if they get possessed

distributed commissar technology

and a dirt cheap bozo throwing Psychic Shriek and witchfires is a reasonable annoyance piece because HH rules have more weight given to morale than 10e's Battleshock

[wide veldt]

Marines being 1000 a chapter is still so fucking funny

At those numbers they should absolutely be custodes statlines

[rocky shale]

I'm kinda hoping that battleshock dies in 11th and they just do AoS control score modification or something

[wide veldt]

Yeah

Maybe then… psychic will return….

[rocky shale]

0% chance of a psychic phase in 11th IMO

Maybe better handled psychic abilities

[past sphinx]

AoS wizard beat

[vital barn]

HH doesn't have a psychic phase either but it does have far cooler and more impactful psykers

[rocky shale]

But they spent all of 10th trying to make battleshock rules and detachments that weren't complete garbage, and AoS ditched morale all together so i think the writing is on the walls

11th is supposedly a minor edition change so I doubt we get AoS wizards but maybe in 12th

[vital barn]

there's a very funny world eaters build in 3.0 where you get a nonfighty banner guy and a librarian, then stack two different prime advantages plus biomancy on banner guy and send him off to duel people while dragging the librarian behind him on a literal chain

because banner boy gets extra VP for winning duels and +1 to hit for his chain-bonded partner being in coherency with him, but nothing was ever said about the librarian needing to actually do anything

[tepid stratus]

So your dropping a bunch of points and a character slot to give a mediocre duelist +1 to hit?

[vital barn]

no, librarian buffs the entire rest of the unit with biomancy and lends his axe to clearing out escorts

[wide veldt]

I hope they manage to at least make psychic not like

Purely a negative

[vital barn]

but HH has a challenge system so the Herald and his opponent are in the proverbial ring with the libby standing just to one side doing cheerleader routines with his manacles

which is basically the only way to have a third guy doing anything at all in a challenge, even Angron's duel-everyone power only lets him fight a succession of 1v1s

herald starts as a boring normal HQ, gets +1WS and +1A from Paragon of Battle, +2S/T from biomancy, +1 to hit from Chain-Bonded and another +1A for charging, at which point he has a favourable matchup against any stock HQ that isn't a unique character, an Archmagos or a Custodian Tribune

all but two of which cost as much as the herald and the libby put together

(Jenetia Krole is the major outlier, which just doesn't come up very often because despite being almost Sigismund-tier at half his cost she's stuck in the stubby SOS army list and has no good in-faction units to join)

[wide veldt]

OH do yall wanna hear about my idea for some custom CSM boys

So like

Not completely nailed down on all the 30k background elements but the remnants of some guys that got absolutely devastated during the heresy, like less than a tenth of their strength left

They were given the secret of making new chaos marines out of mortals by the gods, but the mortal has to be a huge asshole chaos fanatic and it almost never works

So there’s super few of the actual marines, and instead they’re focused on the cult building stuff

[rocky shale]

Is this not pretty much just word bearers?

[wide veldt]

Is it??

[jaunty dawn]

Not really at all

Also on psychic ironically if it was more of a pure negative ppl would probably be happier

But yeah word bearers do like making cults but they’re not really notably rare or anything

[rocky shale]

Aren't word bearers very chaos culty

Yeh

[jaunty dawn]

And like making a cult cause you’re just highly evangelical is a different vibe to what emily is saying imo

[floral herald]

Word Bearers and Alpha Legion are big cult developers but aren’t the same super depleted thing

Well, AL kinda

[jaunty dawn]

Alpha legion make cults but its because they’re cia operatives

[floral herald]

The nice thing about CSM is that there’s tons of warbands and they can get very weird

[wide veldt]

Anyway I also want there to be a split between the old head marines who see the gods as tools

[jaunty dawn]

And iron warriors make cults but its cause they like having chaff

[wide veldt]

And the new guys

Who are uplifted crazy pants cultists

I figured the only reason I would care to run standard CSM is either corsairs or a custom warband

[jaunty dawn]

I just realised I think there was a recent edition where the corsairs were the token “dont bring a bunch of cultists to fill your troop slots” faction

[wide veldt]

Thinking the old heads might not even be from the same original chapter/legion
just a bunch of remnants of the ones that got like

Absolutely turbofucked into nothing

During the heresy

[jaunty dawn]

Which is kinda ironic with them previously being tyrants legion and now that they have models are being bundled with traitor guard

That was a thing! Like theres an established concept of shattered legions being warbands of turbofucked units banding together across legion lines

In hh theres rules for combining squads with multiple like, chapter tactics even

[raven meteor]

So the upcoming release is like, the primary Eldar Corsair content of this edition right, there's not some detachment I'm missing

[floral herald]

Probably?

[rocky shale]

Theres currently only one corsair kit in the range lol

Can't really make that a detachment yet

[thin ibex]

man, its weird cause id love to see more corsair and finally see maiden world stuff

[thin ibex]

question cause i havent looked into it, but in my crusade i flavored my possessed as being generally seen as weaker or lesser than regular legionaires, because of demonic possession being seen as seeking strength externally. Is thata vibe or am I off base for Iron Warrior's sentiment?

they're not actually weaker, mind, especially in combat

[sour sequoia]

Nah thats 100% an iron warriors copium

[jaunty dawn]

That feels fairly accurate

[thin ibex]

ok sick

I called them the Given Brothers, like they were failures given over to demonic posession

[rocky shale]

Well we're about to get a pile of it and then probably nothing for another 5 years lol

[thin ibex]

well thats the xenos life

i am pretty jazzed about more corsair stuff

[jaunty dawn]

Thats mostly just the life of like

[floral herald]

Big same

[jaunty dawn]

Everyone except space marines

[rocky shale]

I'm hoping to snag a fomo box

[thin ibex]

also surprised to see enclosed vypers. i liked hte old design, but the new design honestly grows on me

[floral herald]

I love the weird looking characters and renegades models

[jaunty dawn]

You get a release and then you wait for another release lmao

[thin ibex]

im also a prince yriel fan tbh, even though he's not got a WHOLE lot of lore, he's pretty much a shonen isekai protagonist

[sour sequoia]

This is one of the only space marine releases I’m actually interested in, props to GW

Beats the year of Ultraslop

[jaunty dawn]

Feels odd to complain about having way more support for corsairs than there ever has been

[thin ibex]

i do like, despite the slowness, the expansion on the aeldari views on different paths and stuff

and going pirate is like a thing, and a bridge point between drukhari and aeldari beyond just ynnead stuff

thats been around for forever

[rocky shale]

The corsair kits also have substantially more powerful vibes than either cw or druk

[jaunty dawn]

The path of the pirate had many downsides like
Risk of becoming cool teleporting assassin
Risk of getting cool bird
Risk of becoming cool sniper

Risk of making friends who your parents dont approve of

[rocky shale]

Risk of dual wielding pistols

I'm curious as to what the new vyper/corsair vyper datasheets will look like

Vyper seems to have an extra gun

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/596197650332778498/1463994186121482457/FB_IMG_1769113781483.jpg?ex=6973da55&is=697288d5&hm=f6d6693d28cedb0b8c749a0dc0ad3dc0e5315788dde218b6497cd32cade3771a&

[rocky shale]

It'd be cool for them to feel more like a light vehicle than just an oversized windrider

Aeldari bikes can already take 2/5 of the heavy weapon options that a vyper can

And you get 3 for 80 vs 1 for 65

Yriel's duel disk should let me force my opponent to play yugioh

[jaunty dawn]

Thats how shimmer shields works

[thin ibex]

i havent checked, are we getting a true sm renegade kt?

[jaunty dawn]

They play yugioh with the bullets

Theres a new raider squad yeah

[wide veldt]

I imagine there’s also new rules coming out with both the cosairs

IE they’re both coming w a detachment

[jaunty dawn]

In between chaos and legionnaire

Chaos I mean chosen

[thin ibex]

id love a KT thats like a renegade/traitor SM squad thats like BEDRAGGLED, patchy armor, jury rigged kit, etc etc

[jaunty dawn]

Renegade means furs and sruff

[thin ibex]

Though I'm not against Badab Man getting a dedicated crew

since the red corsairs are raiders

[thin ibex]

oh my god that hair

[jaunty dawn]

Trim but less with the arrows

Yeah awful hair

[wide veldt]

Sidenote

[thin ibex]

"TONOITS THE NOIT THAT FAWL FER YEW" having asses

[wide veldt]

The two detatchments for space wolves

That don’t have sagas

Piss me off

[jaunty dawn]

These guys are cooler

[thin ibex]

why they piss you off?

[thin ibex]

pistol guy looks sick, I like him

[wide veldt]

I feel like Sagas are space wolves like

Iconic mechanic

[thin ibex]

he's actually aiming a shot

[wide veldt]

It’s really weird

The idea of running them without it

[jaunty dawn]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/oozg3yry/the-new-year-preview-prepare-to-be-boarded-by-the-new-red-corsairs/

They have like

[thin ibex]

Which two detaches are you talkin about btw Emily?

[jaunty dawn]

More variety in marks which csm do have a bit but theres like different backpacks even

[wide veldt]

Great Wolf and Champs of Fenris

[thin ibex]

Eh, I think they're pretty cool. Sagas are important to their lore and character narrative sure; but one is Logan is watching you guys, fight good and the other is General Wolf Gameplay

[jaunty dawn]

Its basically cause space marines all get oath right

[wide veldt]

Mhm

[jaunty dawn]

Oh no I see. They have sagas as a recurring theme for a bunch of detachments, replacing their previous detachment which had multiple sagas

But then that looks weird when extra detachments were added before the codex came out and did that

Cause like the whole point then was there already was one detachment about sagas

Yeah that is a kinda strange dynamic to end up in

[thin ibex]

i dont really mind it so much, the sagas are like a specific flavor choice, the great wolf one is a wolf guard one, and champs is like if you wanted a neutral/general gameplay style that isn't gladius

[jaunty dawn]

Its just I dont think any other faction has a detachment theme like the codex space wolves ones do

Im glad they reworked them generally though cause the index version of sagas was not v fun

It was like kayuon except with a really bad payoff and you werent even guaranteed the payoff

Saga of the super cool super brave hunter, using the honorable tactic of ganging up on people

I guess it checks out wolves are pack hunters

[thin ibex]

I like hunt in terms of vibes, but it has weird incentives? I think the idea is having your wolf packs and infantry charging at the same time

on like headhunters n stuff

[jaunty dawn]

The strats seem weirdly anti wolves if its meant to be the wolf detachment

Oh

No I get it now, its saying you cant pick a single marine squad but you can pick a single wolf squad. Or two squads regardless of what it is

Thats barely a niche tbh but I guess i understand

Whatttt

Woof guard headtakers dont even keep their wolves?

[thin ibex]

not as part of the squad no, which is why i was thinking of that

[jaunty dawn]

Wtf do you mean 0-6 wolves

[thin ibex]

they get built in squad of wolves

[jaunty dawn]

Thats just fenrisian wolves with extra steps

Thats so odd???

[thin ibex]

and the idea is to use those wolves to screen most often, or tee off with saga of the hunt

[jaunty dawn]

Its like if black templar crusader squads made you split off the scout bois

[thin ibex]

kinda i suppose yeah, never thought about it like that

but it dont bother me much

[jaunty dawn]

Thats fair

[thin ibex]

its funny cause it also means you can bring an absurd number of wolves

by maxxing out fenrisian wolves and headhunter wolf count

dont know why you would, but you can

[jaunty dawn]

Wait so the headhunter wolves just get only one special rule?

My mind is truly boggled ngl

Clearly just a case of the game designers not wanting to make a unit thats been forced on them by the miniature designers of course but that just feels sad to me cause I think its a fun idea for a unit

Like they dont even get to count their marine friends for their OC rule

[thin ibex]

i do kinda wish there was more in built synergy with the headhunters

[jaunty dawn]

But they got 35 for 3 instead of 40 for 5 with an actual rule? Wtf? But you cant just proxy the models for normal wolves without a base swap

[thin ibex]

some kind of built in pairing rule to enhance both of em

[jaunty dawn]

This is truly incomprehensible to me

[thin ibex]

but then i guess you'd lose your alpha strong melee unit for the worlves

[jaunty dawn]

Even just getting to benefit from the headhunters rule would be an improvement

[thin ibex]

which is really what the head takers are for

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah just space wolf blade guard

Slash sword brethren

[jaunty dawn]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MBxGBIhARM8&pp=ugUEEgJlbg%3D%3D

This is pretty cooool

[pastel rampart]

I could see that working for other colors too, though obviously it wouldn't get that amber effect.

But red or green? Would look killer.

[past sphinx]

Err

Reckon this heads a bit to

Heavy on the theme

[pastel rampart]

Not heavy enough.

[broken dew]

kinda love the little viking helmet nose protector bit

[sour sequoia]

Cook more

Looks great you’re nowhere near overboard

[raven meteor]

Yeah that looks amazing, I think you're on the right track as is

[rose hill]

https://fxbsky.app/profile/asphodelles.bsky.social/post/3mczs3zwc2s2f

Punished “Venom” Asphodel (@asphodelles.bsky.social)

I CAN DRAW ANYTHING

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FxBluesky · Jan 22, 2026, 6:14 PM

[charred bridge]

This is basically every ciphas Cain book

You just need to include Jurgen appearing out of nowhere saving his ass and his wife and new girlfriend being upset at him at the end

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/735679742048469082/1464083576986538004/image-38.png?ex=69742d96&is=6972dc16&hm=7062167754a2bf8b6ef88972a2e6191e843840bc4a286b32c58d5ed83245bf94&

[charred bridge]

Can't chip the paint if there's a centimeters layer of paint

[pastel rampart]

Big zombie boy comin' along.

[wide veldt]

do cultists count as Heretic Astartes for stuff like army rules

[past sphinx]

no

their like

accursed

different tag

[brittle salmon]

yes, they have the Herertic Astartes keyword and the subtype Damned

[wide veldt]

thanks

[brittle salmon]

Anything that excludes cultist models will say (excluding Damned models)

[wide veldt]

trying to figure out if i have to use chaos cult if i want a lot of them

[past sphinx]

damn u rite

[wide veldt]

dark pacts seem kinda ass btw

[brittle salmon]

dark pacts are nuts

you have on tap flexible, significant DPS boosters for your entire army

sometimes you eat shit but your core units all have means to reroll LD tests

[past sphinx]

what are the odds dawn of war will get a model or two

im guessing atleast 1 character

[brittle salmon]

if its as popular as sm2

100%

[past sphinx]

total warhammer 40k probably gonna put it in the sleeper hold tbh

[wide veldt]

hmmm m debating renegade raiders vs chaos cult

[past sphinx]

raiders

all day

everyday

advance and shoot havocs backed up by the helbrute

less shit to haul around to

ap1 chaincannon with lethal and sustained will do some work

[runic swallow]

Man I know the rules have changed a lot but I still go “holy shit!* when I see AP1 but now it’s just, like, nothing rather than being incredibly rare lol

[past sphinx]

putting marines on that 50/50 is hella important

i have gotten deep in hte Ace combat/ project wingman hole (i have a vr headset and a joystick now) and i cant help but chuckle at how shit a 40k flight game would be

everything flys like a brick

half the time shit doesnt work

likely no guidance systems because the imperium flip flops between early 1900s and the 25th millenium in vehicle tech

[runic swallow]

Yeah but you’d also have a troubleshooting on the fly subsystem probably

For when something inevitably stops working in the cockpit

[wide veldt]

Real

I keep going back to the traitor guardsmen being battle line but I keep forgetting that like

Unlike Core battline

Does not matter

[past sphinx]

The juice aint worth the squeeze without major synergy pumping

[reef pagoda]

i leik tzaangor

wish slaanesh had the goat headed beastmen as models

[dense sedge]

Slaangors?

[reef pagoda]

i thiiiink so idk if theyve been named in 40k but i assume theyre the same as fantasy like tzaangors

[paper bluff]

they exist in total warhammer so I imahgine they'll show up in the 40k version when they get to them

[tired cairn]

There is a beastman kill team. Or are those different?

[pale narwhal]

Felgore are undivided iirc

[wide veldt]

Tbh nah I feel like Chaos Cult is doing it for me since I want minimal other boys

Although I do wanna make an army centered around the idea of having all 4 gods chillin

[rocky shale]

Chaos cult does still need some heavy hitters but accursed cultists +dark commune is strong

[thin ibex]

Anyone got a vibe for how to build an ynnari list?

Is it just big aeldari melee?

And is it worth bringing any drukhari units?

[sour sequoia]

Incubi go brrrrr

[mental birch]

Oh

Ohno

Someone talked me into playing 2e eldar and i'm looking at exodite dragons

Haahhagahaga

[desert jay]

Exodites had rules way back?

[quaint compass]

Believe so

Was a boatload of rules for factions that had no models

Like Kroot-only Tau

or original GSC

[mental birch]

Yeah 1 unit of cavalry

[jaunty dawn]

Didnt even give the mounts an attack :(

Oh

Wait yeah they didnt need to then duh

[desert jay]

Yeah they can just hit with that S4 raw

[charred bridge]

I always forget exodites exist

[jaunty dawn]

Starting a conspiracy theory that exodite dragons have appeared as bones on beast snaggas

They have less bones than I remembered cause they actually just have bone painted metal plates

[thin ibex]

What happened if the dragon died? Did the knight go down too?

[jaunty dawn]

couldn't target the mount basically

just movement, +1 armour save, and bonus attacks

with the unused stats being for using the creature riderless for fun

[tired cairn]

The attack bonus wording is very weird. Is the implication that you only make the bonus attacks at the rider's strength? Or poorly worded "both the rider and mount attack"

[atomic apex]

it only says you add the attacks, so I think it does just add additional attacks at the rider's stats yeah

[junior robin]

horse power fist hoof

[tired cairn]

But it also doesn't say mount Strength isn't used so I am ???

[pastel rampart]

Yeah that's how it's done.

One of the less confusing 2e rules.

[thin ibex]

hypothetically, imagine if LoS was measured from like heads/optics on vehicles

[floral herald]

This is technically how kill team works

[atomic apex]

I was about to say yeah

[thin ibex]

Oh is it really? It has been a while since I played it

I was thinking about how like Dreadnoughts would have a very limited view, as well as many tanks, while crisis suits with heads or aeldari with pilots canopies, have much wider fov

[atomic apex]

In Killteam you have to start measuring LoS from the head of the attacking model

[past sphinx]

genuinely the funniest part of playing squats in munda

you just cant see shit

to short

[floral herald]

This also happens to the LoV KTs

Their models can’t see over certain pieces of cover others can

[tired cairn]

It's a big problem for the ratling kill team

[deft crest]

Yeah SUPER annoying

Scarper thankfully helps but its still fucked for a lot of upper roof shots

[floral herald]

Isn’t there a special rule for the floor when shooting from a roof?

[deft crest]

No kill team doesnt have special rules its very simple /joke

I dont remember but probably

[atomic apex]

I think vantage terrain had some special casing, but let me check

Thirdly, for the purposes of obscured, ignore Heavy terrain connected to Vantage terrain the active operative or the intended target is on.
I think this is what I was thinking of, but it's not quite the same

[floral herald]

Yep I misremembered it with the “always get light cover” part I think

[atomic apex]

yeah you have light cover against people below

[jaunty dawn]

Was just reminded of the time they decided that kt18 would use d10s and then they came out and the only thing they thought to use them for was rolling on background tables

Which I assume was something along the lines of them thinking “a bespoke system for kill team? We could go crazy! Use d10s!” So then production spins up for dice sets that include d10s and then like two years later when the game actually is close to coming out they were just like “oh? No yeah we just decided to make the bespoke system 40k again”

[junior summit]

Imperial tanks usually have an...adequate number of vision slits, the main issue imo would be dreads

A russ has a full ring of periscopes around the hatch, frontal optics, a drivers viewport, hull gunner viewport, sponson gunner weapon optics, and TCs command partially exposed

actually the sponson gunners might not have optics but they're usually servitors iirc so wired into the tank sensors

[paper bluff]

Hey on Sunday, would anybody want to play a two thousand points game on tts?

I might need some pointers, since i've never played the game there though

[jaunty dawn]

Fwiw classic dreads are pretty much covered in cameras

…looks like the redemptor chassis, though, has all of one

Oh no, there is one on the tiny rocket pod and arguably a few on the storm bolters

Ballistus has guncams, brutalis has one on the stubbers

So arguably the one that needs the most situational awareness has the least

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/735685322905485412/1464429615664599233/PXL_20260123_185044268.jpg?ex=69756fdc&is=69741e5c&hm=9b9b521a083f442999b9438653000f0fee671670ee157ae1fb67fe8714e78619&

[past sphinx]

every time i lose by hobby drill i tell myself drilling barrels aint that important overall

then i find it and start again and models look way more dynamic

and the cycle continues forever

[past sphinx]

something in my brain loves drilling stormbolters

[thin ibex]

As long as it don't get canceled tomorrow, looking at playing a ynnari list tomorrow

[mental birch]

So yeah building exodites as a hidden eldar millitia

So like vine covered grav platforms

[runic swallow]

Why have camo netting imitate foliage when you can encourage the foliage to grow over you

[mental birch]

"To be honest we're surprised the D cannon still even works"

"Dragged it out of the shed in the village armoury,"

[mental birch]

"Yes according to plan" guy who forgot entirely that it was his job to maintain the millitia weapons sweating

[charred bridge]

Superior Eldar weaponry

[mental birch]

Me beinf very silly with a 2e 750 list

Farseer w Stave + Spiritstone 218

5x Guardian with Shuriken - 70

5x Guardian with Shuriken - 70

D Cannon On Grav - 55

Viper w Scatter Laser - 80

Exodite Hero with 4x Lancers Blade of Destruction, Shuriken Launchers - 245 pts

[pastel rampart]

Almost done with this zombie giant and uh

The cleaver is 6.5" tall lmao

[jaunty dawn]

goshhh

[floral herald]

Dang they weren’t kidding about giant

[pastel rampart]

Yeah I mean, it'll be as big as this dude, so.

The zombie one is for a friend, who sent me a modified version of the hand; normally it holds a big ol' club but they wanted a cleaver and rather than print it out normally and then chop it off they just went and did that. Worked out well.

[sour sequoia]

Fellas we have the funniest gatebreakers alliance to save Armageddon in this crusade I’ve ever seen

Guard, Deathwatch, Tau, Genestealer Cults

[thin ibex]

cant have a revolution when demons are fucking everything up

can't instill the greater good while demons are fucking everything up

[rocky shale]

Our Armageddon campaign has DG and EC on both marauders and desecrators

[charred bridge]

What would be the most unlikely alliance

Maybe like Drukhari, Armageddon has very fun captives they haven't had in thousands in years they're willing to fight to keep the planet going and also nab some last few for posterity in case things go south

[thin ibex]

most unlikely?

daemons and grey knights

[wide veldt]

I didn’t make this but it’s from a twitter

[paper bluff]

See, I would put fulgrum in the didn't invest in bitcoin

[jaunty dawn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/sonsofbehemat/comments/1qiv7yr/sons_plural_son_of_behemat/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[charred bridge]

There should be a category for didn't invest in bitcoin but shills it as a grift

[raven meteor]

lmaoooo

[charred bridge]

Erebus would shill bitcoin knowing it's going to ruin people but not even invest in it

Vulkan would be bought like 100 bitcoin for fun because a friend was into it then spent like 17 away for them friend back it was dirt cheap and lost the hard drive but definitely it's still in his house and his friend keeps pestering him about it but he doesn't care

[junior robin]

pondering if I can get my friends to raid my bit boxes this summer for a 3rd ed 1000pts army bash.

[raven meteor]

10x Battle Sisters Squad (105pts)
10x Battle Sisters Squad (105pts)
10x Battle Sisters Squad (105pts)
10x Battle Sisters Squad (105pts)
10x Battle Sisters Squad (105pts)
10x Battle Sisters Squad (105pts)

5x Seraphim Squad (80pts)
10x Sisters Novitiate Squad (100pts)
10x Sisters Novitiate Squad (100pts)
3x Paragon Warsuits (210pts)
Immolator (115pts): Armoured tracks, Heavy Bolter, Hunter-Killer Missile, Twin Multi-melta
Immolator (115pts): Armoured tracks, Heavy Bolter, Hunter-Killer Missile, Twin Multi-melta
Immolator (115pts): Armoured tracks, Heavy Bolter, Hunter-Killer Missile, Twin Multi-melta
Immolator (115pts): Armoured tracks, Heavy Bolter, Hunter-Killer Missile, Twin Multi-melta
Immolator (115pts): Armoured tracks, Heavy Bolter, Hunter-Killer Missile, Twin Multi-melta
Immolator (115pts): Armoured tracks, Heavy Bolter, Hunter-Killer Missile, Twin Multi-melta``` I have made a very strange list,

[pine matrix]

Angron my GOAT once again

[charred bridge]

Death to all tyrants, including capitalist ones

[past sphinx]

always been a little confused why angron would work for the imperium period

[viral crest]

Manipulated by the Nails/The Emperor

[bright dove]

Angry, not seeing another way, unwilling to die and let the memory of his comrades who perished die with him even as he slowly loses his own mind.

[past sphinx]

Stock head aint good but I am loving this one

[sour sequoia]

Huh, never realized it was robes on that guy I just use BT emperors champions for mine

[thin ibex]

The judiciars are legit cooler than chaplains lol

Despite being in training

They're some cold mfers

Also, is their device actually affecting time?

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah its like the time grenades but less grenade-y I guess

Space wolf deathsworn had them

Stasis grenades

[thin ibex]

https://www.newrecruit.eu/app/list/sPoKv

This isn't a competetive list, trying to get an aeldari vibes list with a bit of everything? Does it pass the vibe check?

Biggest thing I don't have is deep strike/uppy downy

And very few aspect warriors

[wide veldt]

Holy shit the heresy only last 7 years

Are you fucking serious

[main pagoda]

It was basically the rush for terra

[little bay]

i have good news

i now have the warhammer 40k wrath and glory game

[past sphinx]

its sucha good detail that get lost in the black on black scheme!

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/735679742048469082/1464953090896822282/signal-2026-01-25-22-34-10-635.jpg?ex=69775762&is=697605e2&hm=26316c357c7dc9492bb961c59f1fe69713279ec0b7213bb1d58e092bc17f32ef&

[pastel rampart]

https://youtu.be/yB0Y2-519PQ?si=HBJdnVCiUjzhzUmW

[little bay]

slimnoid

your meme is now mine

[rocky shale]

Lot of stuff you can't use seer council strats on (wraiths, spears, etc), and not a lot of psykers.

If you're gonna do a bit of everything I'd go warhost

[raven meteor]

Does murderwing seriously not have psykers 😭
I had assumed they'd be like warp talons and have dark magic schmoovement that procced the sisters stuff

[floral herald]

No psykers haha

[raven meteor]

That's ridiculous 😭 😭

[floral herald]

Albeit the anti-psyker stuff is a ribbon rule for sisters

[raven meteor]

Still,
Maybe their box set would have a team that
Interacted with it,

[atomic apex]

wait what?
I thought they said Murderwing would have multiple psykers in the preview

[thin ibex]

Think if I'm going thematic I should try and fit an autarch in there too when I go warhost?

Honestly I just liked the kinda "throwing the runes for free strats" vibe from seer council

[tired cairn]

The sisters' anti-psyker rule is a bit much, so it's for the best murderwing doesn't have one, ha

[thin ibex]

Very tactile connection to the mechanic

[tired cairn]

Being completely immune to ranged psychic attacks seems overly mean (on top of no-selling psychic powers in close range and nerfing psychic melee attacks)

[raven meteor]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/dyatkuu4/kill-team-shadowhunt-face-death-itself-when-the-nightbringer-rises-from-its-tomb/ Also LMAO
The box has a mission pack where.... the objective is to just run from the Nightbringer
Killteam faced with wargame level threat

[atomic apex]

that's hilarious

[broken dew]

That's incredibly funny

[tired cairn]

Murderwing? More like Murderedwing

[atomic apex]

oh they're just fully immune to psychic stuff at range?

[rocky shale]

Maybe, the wraiths would be my first drop, maybe keep the lord?

[thin ibex]

I might keep one wraith for rep, but I'm not married to em

[rocky shale]

Seer is awesome it just needs more than 2 psyker units or they'll get killed and you will have no strats

[thin ibex]

Wraithguard are kinda classic

[rocky shale]

Lord is the best wraith for sure

[thin ibex]

D scythes overwatch still feels like it can be reasonably threatening

[rocky shale]

That and seer can't really use strats on anything but non wraith infantry

[thin ibex]

Not too many ap 3 flamers out there

Yeah def switching to war host for this kinda eclectic vibe

[rocky shale]

They're neat but if you're in seer you also have warlock flamers

And wraiths without army rule are slooooow

[thin ibex]

I'm trying to smorgasbord the aeldari craftworld selection pretty much

Hey slow isn't so bad so long as they are where I want them xD

[rocky shale]

Yeah go warhost then

Elves gotta go fast to survive

Even dead ones

[thin ibex]

Wraiths, tbf, are like one of the only thing they get that can take a beating

Huh I wonder what nids who consume a lot of wraithbone are like

Cause iyanden is rocking wraithhosts

[rocky shale]

At T6 3W they're still pretty flimsy for 32ppm + mandatory psyker babysitter

The 2+ is nice but outside of Wraithblades with axes they get no invuln

They're priced about the same as terminators but don't get DS, need a squishy babysitter, and are +1T and trade better melee for no shooting

I the wraith detachment they get to move 2" faster which is big IMO

[viral crest]

DS?

[atomic apex]

Deepstrike I assume

[viral crest]

Ohhhh that makes sense

[rocky shale]

Their tankiness is really undercut by needing to be chased around by a super squishy loneop psyker whose loneop doesn't help if you're running into melee

[raven meteor]

Would Tyranids even eat wraithbone? It's like, solid psychic energy and not biological right

[rocky shale]

Yeah it's not food

[thin ibex]

its psycho active material thats made from like useable minerals

presumably, they could consume it or use it somehow

like Wraithbone reinforce chitin on zoanthropes or some such

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/resident-evil-leon-mr-x-small-leon-when-mom-gif-21813730

[jaunty dawn]

Why he so little 🥺

[pastel rampart]

Leon is everyone's little meow-meow.

But also appropriate to illustrate the Nightbringer waking up.

[past sphinx]

Oh yeah its all coming together

[thin ibex]

if yall were trying to give SM the lore vibe on the TT, would you pretty much give them custodes stats?

[viral crest]

Which lore vibe

[floral herald]

No, they’d need to be a lot faster and more dangerous

[jaunty dawn]

I think modern (primaris) marines are kinda fine honestly

[floral herald]

Maybe the right toughness

[jaunty dawn]

Maybe armour of contempt

[viral crest]

The lore vibe of a Space Marine book or the lore vibe of a "These guys are so cool they can kill Space Marines" book

Cause they fluctuate wildly and imo I feel like their tabletop stats are perfectly fine as is

[thin ibex]

thinking of like Iron Snakes vibes

like a single squad can form a line against like 100 orks

[floral herald]

Priad is worth like 1000 pts haha

[thin ibex]

xD

[floral herald]

More or less solos a 2000 point dark eldar army in one of the short stories

[thin ibex]

you know deldar arent super present in the narrative, but they job hard when they do

show up

always

[raven meteor]

Deldar winning just isn't very fun I feel
Even with Chaos or Tyrannids the shape of the map changes but Dark Eldar just fuck off back to their hole after killing everyone

[rocky shale]

Drukhari winning is just like "yeah sorry your dudes lose and there's no consequences except your dudes get turned into flesh orbs"

[stark cypress]

The Florb

Burn the Florbs.

Like the Salamanders did when they invaded the first time.

Please let them invade a second time.

[floral herald]

Gaining a better understanding of Warhammer by watching the mayor of NYC refuse to ever wear a hat in this snowstorm

[junior summit]

OH

I get it

lmao

[thin ibex]

it IS kinda funny that Deldar have like no stakes

in the setting

[thin ibex]

except that they need sentient species to enslanve

[pastel rampart]

The best comparison I can make to Deldar is vampires in V:TM, where they're weirdos that don't really interact much with the rest of the setting all that much and their removal would be a net positive, but you end up watching their stupid backstabbing and cruelty with amusement.

[wide veldt]

AoS sidenote

Man the ghoul knight faction is god tier in terms of themeing

So fucking cool

And some of the models are genuinely kinda freaky

[wide veldt]

How hard is AOS to get into from 40k

[floral herald]

Easy

If you know 40K rules you more or less already know AoS

[pale narwhal]

As someone who’s just taken the dive into it: easy as

[tired cairn]

Probably the trickiest part is not mixing up the slight differences between the two, ha

[sour sequoia]

AoS is a lil bit 40k babymode atm

My beef with it is really that its too streamlined rn BUT. It makes it extremely easy to learn from 40k

[wide veldt]

Oh rad

[tardy vault]

It's mostly similar but there's just enough differences that you're going to get caught out by something (probably Pile In)

[pastel rampart]

I do hear it's overall a better game than 40k to play, though that's not exactly a high bar.

[rocky shale]

I'm slowly building an AoS nurgle army but yeah the mechanics are SO straightforward

There's not really a lot of tricksy skill expression

I just like the nurgle mortal models tho

[tardy vault]

a lot of skill expression is buried in the fight phase. Choosing who to fight when and how they move around during the phase is where a lot of nonsense hides

Tho that's just my experience as an alpha strike army player

[tardy vault]

there has been many many criticisms levelled at 4e, but the actual experience of sitting at the table and moving models/rolling dice is pretty uniformly praised.

[sour sequoia]

TBF nurgle is in the running for the single worst offender

[rocky shale]

Yeahhh

[sour sequoia]

Maybe codex is better but index was literally “am I on the board? Shit mortals across entire enemy army”

[rocky shale]

I do like the new mortals only army of renown

It's not that

[sour sequoia]

“Also I’m too tough to die”

[rocky shale]

If you only take mortals and no daemons your rule becomes "spin the wheeeeeel"

And the wheel has buffs

As an elf lover I tried to like LRL but the spear lines are booooring

[wide veldt]

Does leadership matter in AOS

Or is it battleship k

Battleshock

[rocky shale]

If I could spam the funny animal creatures in LRL I would tho

[rocky shale]

No leadership

Or battleshock

You just have effects that change OC

[pastel rampart]

Which criticisms have people been giving, anyway?

[tardy vault]

Most of the ones off the top of my head are surrounding army building and army flavor.

It's been a second unfortunately sorry

[pastel rampart]

Same as it ever was, then.

[tardy vault]

They have been addressing the army building issues at least. Flavor, wellll

The Nurgle Battletome isn't heartening I'll say that much lol

[pastel rampart]

Flavor's a tough thing to nail down for army lists.

[tardy vault]

Yeah, it just sucks that Blight Kings have the same save and ward as fucking DoK infantry.

[dense sedge]

Ghouls were the worst line at one point, Theyve made a massive turn around to a favorite though

[mental birch]

I dont get it but i'm a kharadron player

[raven meteor]

I've idly glanced at aos
My faves are the lizard folk and the water elves

[rocky shale]

Wow wait theyre just +1 health over blood sisters

insane

And maybe slightly better melee but half speed

Rotswords have real armor at least T_T

[tardy vault]

Blood Sisters have DoK's nonsense to buff up their melee to truly absurd numbers

It's the only way they survive

doesn't matter how much HP you have, a 5+ save is basically nothing

[rocky shale]

Good thing I only have 5 blightkings

I love armored nurgle models lets goooo

[atomic apex]

I tried out Ossiarchs when I was doing a few test games of AoS

Kharadron also seemed neat

[thin ibex]

I might be able to get a friend to learn a bit of War gaming via aos

I should learn it some time

[tardy vault]

Spearhead is a really good point of entry

[runic swallow]

Obviously what you should do is say you’re gonna play AoS but you actually set up the Battle of the Trebia in your ancients ruleset of choice to give them the wargaming experience of living out history by playing a surprise game about being ambushed

(Do not actually do this unless they can actually take a joke and know why it’s funny historically or if you want to continue to be their friend)

[thin ibex]

Any idea if tts has good support for it?

[tardy vault]

No idea sorry

[runic swallow]

Also sorry for not actually being helpful on this and doing a bit, I unfortunately don’t know the system

[main pagoda]

Tts has alot of stuff for AoS

Model quality may vary

[jaunty dawn]

Main thing with spearhead is the boards and cards but Id assume that exists

But the boards have printed objectives on and such

[pastel rampart]

https://www.tumblr.com/maniakminis/806767699134922752?source=share

Maniak Miniatures

🔁 goofy-goblins

Drew my interpretation of this incredible beaky design that's from an old codex

Tumblr · Jan 26, 2026, 2:13 AM

[jaunty dawn]

Omgggg

https://tenor.com/view/cheeseburger-roblox-evangelion-chezburger-gif-27480437

[jaunty dawn]

@strong owl have you seen this!?

[strong owl]

yeeeeeees

holy shit

that right there?

is a scrungaloid

honourary scrungaloid

[broken dew]

That's a phenomenal helmet

[jaunty dawn]

Scrunglemaxxing

[thin ibex]

So Biel Tan is destroyed right?

Oh huh it's more complicated than that, but they do seem to mostly be ynnari now

The thing is still standing, but lost more than half its pop

[mental birch]

Me an idiot building a 2e eldar army

[paper bluff]

I mean, if half my people were already dead. I'd probably join the death cult too

Cause otherwise, would you die for? nothing? Better for your life and death to mean something beyond stagnation

[past sphinx]

goated

thats how you do a cataphracii

[junior robin]

aw yisss

[jaunty dawn]

I think hes actually just in indomitus while wearing cataphractii shoulder pads lmao

His chest is slightly peaked but theres no peak on his head hole

This makes sense for his backstory though, hes a m.38/39 recruit whose managed to acquire and create things that make him look like his long war veteran older brothers

[atomic apex]

Oh that's good

[sour sequoia]

Iron warriors always be on some retvrn shit this makes sense he larps cataphractii

Perturabo is a greek statue pfp

[jaunty dawn]

So like arguably khorne berserkers are almost as cataphractii as he is haha

Hes really badass tho

[atomic apex]

I love mechadendrites and shoulder mounted weapons 😌

[past sphinx]

hate to say it

fuck ugly heads

[broken dew]

Yeah he has indomitus thighs

and back

[past sphinx]

do love the fucked up face on one of the chrest guys

[thin ibex]

Wait we're getting perty?

[broken dew]

Indomitus with cataphract shoulders looks like what it is

[jaunty dawn]

He might have some greaves

[jaunty dawn]

They look the heresy artificer motifs

[broken dew]

Mhm

It's a heavily modified Indomitus anyhow

[jaunty dawn]

This is a guy

His name is kravek morne

[main pagoda]

There's more to come so hopefully perty

[jaunty dawn]

I think we’re gonna see an upgrade pack for every legion at this rate

[main pagoda]

Why not

[jaunty dawn]

Like the red corsairs and iron warriors back to back

[floral herald]

I like how fuck-ugly they are

[jaunty dawn]

Probly release a box thats similar for night lords with their kill teams and a unique character + upgrade pack

Im just looking forward to some word bearers stuff

[past sphinx]

mIII-b just doesnt do it for me

loses the bucket charm entirely

[jaunty dawn]

That head is so ugly too though

Like it has the vibes but the physical part has not aged well

[past sphinx]

Scrungle isnt ugly

scrungle is scrungle

[jaunty dawn]

A better way is possible tho absolutely

[broken dew]

I kinda love the monoeye visors

[past sphinx]

im stealing the unhelmeted heads tho

those fuck ugly bastards are going on the raiders

[jaunty dawn]

Probably the main issue is a one part plastic moulding thing and people rioted about mk6 shoulder pads so here we are

[broken dew]

I need to get back to working on my homebrew chapter

[jaunty dawn]

(Here we are meaning using SLA ig)

[broken dew]

What was wrong with em

[jaunty dawn]

Theyre in two parts

So that the studs dont look awful

[broken dew]

Ah

[jaunty dawn]

So the studs looks good but you have to get rid of the seam when you assemble it

[broken dew]

Yeah

I've dealt with seam lines doing gunpla so i am aware of the pain

[jaunty dawn]

Lmao nvm they just fucked it

[raven meteor]

CSM with the snatched waist........

[broken dew]

Lmao

He literally isn't wearing proper cataphract, that's funny

He has the thighs and hip skirts of an Indomitus

Cataphracts just don't have those hydraulic thigh details or skirts

That's an Indomitus thing

[pastel rampart]

With IW and even IH, after a certain point what the original armor is doesn't matter because it's been modified so much that the wearer has Ship of Theseus'd it (along with most of their flesh).

[broken dew]

True

Looks more like indomitus but honestly it might as well be the Terminator equivalent of artificer armor at this point

[sour sequoia]

Rivet counting always a good way to disappoint yourself

[broken dew]

Yeah comparing the guy with an Indomitus, it really does look like he's wearing modified Indomitus with some cataphract shoulders

Regaedless he looks good

[past sphinx]

they still have the demon engine and other scrungo to reveal

[paper bluff]

I mean, he's calling it the iron mantle

[wide veldt]

Any news about if Perturabo himself is getting something

[raven meteor]

I think the Model Glimpses folks suspected would be Perturabo turned out to be a seperate named guy

But two more models are yet to be released
perturabo is the 'daemon engine'

[past sphinx]

perty vs whatever would be 11th i would guess

despite my hatred of primarchs

seems reasonable

though i dont hate it as much with perty likely being the core csm primarch and not locking IW in a book with 5 units

[desert jay]

This article accounts for 4 of the 8 glimpses from the IW New Year Preview

With that in mind, my money is now on just Defiler and Helbrute

[jaunty dawn]

Gotta b defiler

[pastel rampart]

A new defiler could be cool, yeah.

Unless they go real wild with a totally different design I can see it being a dual kit with the Soul Grinder.

[paper bluff]

I do hope it's a defiler kit

[past sphinx]

almost hoping for a switchup

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/735679742048469082/1465614318539374687/bafkreief246qymr6idn2vzj475xtieo7y3bxnuee2yti2i4bkge73zoiqm_jpeg.jpg?ex=6979bf33&is=69786db3&hm=59d2e76d24ccec81a8db945afbbc13a9a1048cf260b2d1469540b81b7a605787&

[broken dew]

Absolute peak

[junior robin]

finally, the emperors Emus primaris lieutenant

[tired cairn]

Horse

[floral herald]

Gotta be a tyranid

[tired cairn]

The weird leg bumps and the extra foot claws are very tyranids

The foot is otherwise a bit weird

[quaint compass]

Look a bit like the hooves of Krieg ponies

[soft willow]

Codex Zoats confirmed.

[jaunty dawn]

Doesnt look very tyranid to me

Krieg horse yeah

[quaint compass]

Grox cav when?

[jaunty dawn]

Or it looks like

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/File:Krieg_Death_Rider.jpg

This art

But not like the sculpt

[pastel rampart]

Could be Kroot.

[quaint compass]

Kroot Riders of Krieg

[junior robin]

could be mutie raiders for a remake of gorkamorka

[main pagoda]

or ash waste nomads

some more munda stuff

[tired cairn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUHwQRrlh1g

Looks like every faction will get two subfactions?

[wide veldt]

Ah the cruel boys and the iron jaws

[junior summit]

I'm reading da big dakka and the deldar perspective character having an existential crisis over ufthak being content with his existence is very funny

[paper bluff]

Orks are likely the most self actualized beings in warhammer 40k universe

[still warren]

admech spotted

[little bay]

they have a crash faster button so i agree

[paper bluff]

Now the other thing is that if an ork achieves too much success. Then, doubt starts to creep in their mind.

[broken dew]

i do love Orks just

doing their shit

unburdened by the need to for higher consideration of their actions

go krump something

[atomic apex]

They're one of the four starting factions

Marines, Orks, AdMech, Necron
IIRC

[junior robin]

sad chaos noises

[still warren]

oh i somehow missed that thought it was just imperium of man. Might have mixed it up with the 40k totalwar game

[atomic apex]

Very possible

I do think it's very based that DoW 4 has AdMech and Necrons immediately

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmU7ptrRY_Q

[junior summit]

The tsundere deldar is also very funny

[tepid stratus]

Gotta be nids or an AOS chaos horse. The demonic horses on some of the S2D models have similar clawed thumbs on their hooves

[thin ibex]

Look it's a solid bet to assume we'll get a chaos reveal as the bbeg at some point in the campaign. Then we'll get them as DLC

[cinder wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-don't-think-i-will-cap-avengers-marvel-gif-6420739801263939210

[sonic hare]

I love how classic this looks. Great stuff

[cinder wraith]

made my own sythenian hunting rig

[tepid stratus]

But which flavor of chaos is the question? They're much more divided than back when the old games had them as a mono faction

[strong owl]

thanks! it's a really fun style to paint i've found

[viral crest]

Oh hey that's guardsmen

[wide veldt]

There’s also Admech in that trailer which is surprising

Oh sorry I forgot to send this image earlier

[pulsar holly]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/zftmsi8e/a-powerhouse-warsmith-leads-a-new-campaign-for-the-iron-warriors/

[pulsar holly]

I'm playing the new warboss. Sorry Gargutz.

[soft willow]

Pete Turbo narrowly avoids getting a 40k model.

[wide veldt]

Fuck, confirmed that he isn’t getting one?

[pastel rampart]

He's sure to get one eventually.

But within the next like, 12 months? 🤷‍♂️

[sour sequoia]

Its modern 40k we’re getting every fuckass primarch and 30k marines guy transported within my lifetime

[vital barn]

Luckily sevatar and every alpha legion character did the smart thing and fucking died so all my lads are safe

[jaunty dawn]

Has any 30k marine guy appeared in 40k

Apart from the ones that like. Are 40k characters

[raven meteor]

Was lion el jonson like that

He had like zero presence in modern 40k until recently right

[jaunty dawn]

Oh yeah I mean as seperate from primarchs

And loyalist primarchs at that

[tired cairn]

I am slightly confused at the question. As in people where they were 30k characters first?

[pastel rampart]

Any 30k character that is not a primarch, yeah.

[jaunty dawn]

Like

[tired cairn]

(Did any of the primaris that were put in stasis get book time?)

[jaunty dawn]

Oh yeah lucius exists

But hes a 40k character

[raven meteor]

Apparently one of your pals in Space Marine 2 is one
That's all I got

[jaunty dawn]

Not a transplant from 30k in “modern 40k”

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, I wouldn't say he or Abaddon or Typhus or Ahriman would count because they were in 40k first.

Or Kharn for that matter.

[raven meteor]

One of the stasis'd heresy primarises that is

[jaunty dawn]

But like I dont think any primaris characters appeared in horus heresy books

[tired cairn]

Seems hard given the time difference. Are any of the 40k dreadnoughts from the HH period?

(Maybe a CSM character could be?)

[jaunty dawn]

Not even bjorn

Or bjorn was around but he was a nobody. And also a 40k character first

[tired cairn]

Oh wow, Bjorn is pre-HH (lore wise)

[raven meteor]

It seems like el jonson is the primary Newly Discovered Coelacanth Marine

[jaunty dawn]

Like if eidolon appeared in 40k (in model form) that would be a big example

And a lot of people want him to

[tired cairn]

I am mildly surprised that all of the CSM guys were 40k models first

[jaunty dawn]

On the strength of his character in the heresy books

[pastel rampart]

A lot of primaris got put into stasis either during or just after the Heresy but I wouldn't count them because they really didn't show up in any of the HH novels iirc and I think it's fair to keep the field to the novel series and 30k The Game, respectively. Obvious caveat being "if they're in 30k but showed up in 40k first it also doesn't count because, well, c'mon."

[jaunty dawn]

And lore wise hes actually like, way more important than lucius in 40k

[pastel rampart]

So as it stands, no, there hasn't been a 30k character who's shown up in 40k. Not yet anyway.

[soft willow]

There were like twenty years of random 40k shit before the Horus Heresy novels even started.

[paper bluff]

Cypher

[soft willow]

40k first.

[paper bluff]

Ah but he is a 30k guy who is not a primarch and is in 40k

[jaunty dawn]

Another example would be if Erebus or Kor Phaeron got 40k models

[paper bluff]

Who is important

[vital barn]

Cypher and Bjorn aren't even in the 30k tabletop game