Warhammer and Such

[past sphinx]

gotta say, big fan of the normal kitbashed ass armors of the red corsairs

might actually trade away some of my normal legionaries to make room for some on the shelf

[wide veldt]

Red corsairs getting increase support surprised me

Given they’re the renegade guys and GW doesn’t care about renegades lmao

[jaunty dawn]

Evidently not

Gw also hates corsairs

And um

[desert jay]

Renegades have gotten a fair share of rule support, just not much in the way of models, until now

[jaunty dawn]

Death armies having ranged

Oh and eldar in general. Loathe aspect warriors

[wide veldt]

I can’t tell if you’re messing with me

[jaunty dawn]

If you mention aspect warriors in warhammer world you get thrown out

They say aspect warriors, is that a chapter of space marines tm?

[desert jay]

Penny, what's the GW love rating for Necron Destroyers?

[jaunty dawn]

Probably about 6 7

[raven meteor]

What are renegades again
My understanding up to now was like
Chaos space marines but the focus is less on 'love the dark gods, love the warp' and more 'we love doing bad things and hating the emperor'

[jaunty dawn]

Technically like

Renegades are non chaos non imperium marines

[desert jay]

Checks out, that meme is also like a mind virus that makes me want to destroy everything

The Chaos-adjacent Space Marines

[jaunty dawn]

Or alternatively chaos space marines that arent traitor legionaries

I think the better joke is something about gw hates destroyers so much that they retconned them out of the necron history lore

Huron and friends are the latter in that they were loyalists at one point who became chaos marines

[past sphinx]

GW has had a long little hobby with renegades

i only expected huron tho not all this

[jaunty dawn]

But they used to be the former before their daliance with chaos was made concrete

They did normal imperial things like conscript armies

[desert jay]

And Huron and the Badab War lore go way back to 1988

[remote wharf]

So will the old banana boys stick around or wil they co-exist but everyone just going to by the Heresy kit anyways?

[jaunty dawn]

Who can say

[desert jay]

They might retire the old kits, or as they sell out

[jaunty dawn]

This is what they say which feels like

Doesnt clear anything up, but adds some new informtion

Like they say custodian guard are perfect for representing custodian guard in 40k

Which is weird to say if they’re replacing the kit

[remote wharf]

Okay so they well know that everyone is gonna be buying the new kits but don't want to retire it right away is the vibe I'm getting.

[jaunty dawn]

But keeping the old kit around just to be in 40k branded boxes seems like a new level of silly

[past sphinx]

do we think perty is coming with this iron warriors wave?

[jaunty dawn]

It seems so

[remote wharf]

Just like there's going to people who mourn the old Vyper somewhere just dropping that you're replacing them would have some backlash.

[jaunty dawn]

I dont think so refreshes are an established thing

and thats all it really is

Technically the infantry kit being replaced was a horus heresy kit originally

[rocky shale]

The old vyper is quirky and I'm glad I have one but the new one is sick and I want 10

[jaunty dawn]

Honestly the other shoe will only really drop when 11e comes out and they say whether knights and custodes get to keep their full range or not

[rocky shale]

I think they probably will just because custodes losing grav tanks would cripple them

And knights players would throw a fit

[floral herald]

Ok I super dig these new CSM

Eldar pirates are also dope

[rocky shale]

The renegade marines are perfect

[broken dew]

Yriel looks sick

he has a duel disk

[desert jay]

Oh yeah shortest time between release and glowup, el em ay oh

(At least in a while, there's probably also 1e/2e/3e examples)

[wide veldt]

Thinking about getting into blood angels as my space marine fellas

I think the vampire stuff a lot

[vital barn]

new custodes helms feel a bit too High Elf for my liking but the proportions are great

I wonder if I could do a squad with the older hats

[wide veldt]

…. Oh my god

Does every space marine chapter that got a faction pack

Have 4 or 5 detatchments

Alongside the normal 5 space marine detatchments

[vital barn]

basically, yes

except base space marines have a lot more than 5, last I checked

[wide veldt]

Sorry yes they have 7

One for roughly each of the codex compliant fellas

[vital barn]

10, and then another half a dozen for codex compliant chapters, and then another pile for each of the special chapters

[sour sequoia]

It is literally an entire different game for marines players and other factions

Due to the fucking absurd quantity of detachments and units you can just shove together for any possible combo of rules

[reef pagoda]

i love the sanguinary guard and stuff for blood angels ive seen lots of really inspiring art and stuff for them but when theyre just red space marines im not so keen on them

that astoroth the grim guy is cool too

[wide veldt]

I just really like the sick ass Dracula armor

[soft willow]

This should say gal instead of guy.

[broken dew]

it is pretty sweet

[past sphinx]

given the helmet its currently in a gender superposition

[broken dew]

plus you can play Mephiston

i love how goofy Mephiston is

oh i didn't notice but he's got nipples in this model

excellent

[vital barn]

mephiston is hilarious, all his books hype him up as the biggest most special boy and show him doing insane xianxia shit to stop time and solo entire opposing armies

[pastel rampart]

Mephiston rules and he was a goddamn terror in old editions.

[vital barn]

and then his rules are "librarian who is 10% swordier than normal"

imagination vs reality

[broken dew]

that is funny

[past sphinx]

isnt mephiston just a hollowed out meat shell for a warp entity?

[broken dew]

Mephiston the kind of guy to say "you are courting death"

[sour sequoia]

I can assure you. He is a Pain In The Ass

[wide veldt]

Yeah this is my guy

I wanna run this guy

What should I do to run this guy

[past sphinx]

accept the violence in your soul

step 2

assault intercessors

[vital barn]

I'm sure he's very good with that FNP but of literally every space marine character he is the one who gets the biggest step up from tabletop level in the books, if you did Lore Accurate Mephiston he would cost more than Gulliman

and I find that very funny whenever he gets stabbed to death by Some Guys

[thin ibex]

Is mephisto good in BA rn?

Ok yeah that's what the conversation was about

[wide veldt]

Is there a detachment he’s suited towards?

[past sphinx]

libarius id imagine

idk i play space dogs

[hollow laurel]

I changed it to annoy misogynists

Atlas "Genghis good" Grove ↩️

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[raven meteor]

The relative low impact of a lot of named characters does amuse me
I have heard SO much about commander farsight for an 85 point mfer

[sour sequoia]

Game has gotten weird. Farsight used to be as impactful as Silent King and Guilliman and Angron are now.

[vital barn]

to be fair in the books he's killing like one hive tyrant and on the tabletop some random nid army is deploying four of the fuckers

[hollow laurel]

(Like, it showed up in the local WhatsApp, I didn't do it from here)

[sour sequoia]

Chapter masters were menaces

Kayvaan Shrike could fuck your entire shit

[vital barn]

they introduced primarchs and now every other faction has a Primarch Tier Guy

so all the non-Primarch tier guys get squished down to be teeny little fellas

except a few who get a huge boost to be their factions' primarch equivalents

[sour sequoia]

But everybody got downgraded so we can have the 18 most “superman no diffs goku nyehh” characters in the setting run on every tabletop yeah

[vital barn]

like belakor who used to be fully some guy

and is now this huge model

[sour sequoia]

Belakor’s weird and an artifact of daemon cross compatibility

He was huge in fantasy and is huge

40k he’s Daemons version of Sgt. Dipshitticus

[past sphinx]

(god help me if i have to kill the lion again)

[vital barn]

and then you have Leontus, who is incredibly dumb and also costs more than fucking Kharn

who used to be biggest dickus melee character, or at least in that league

[sour sequoia]

Abby should be a primarch threat again tbh

It seems like they’re making Huron a Generalship HQ

[wide veldt]

Tbh rules and lore have never been square

[vital barn]

everyone says this about him, the phoenix lords and the swarmlord and I'd rather compress the primarchs down until they could look the Swarmlord and Cawl in the eye

Cawl is almost literally 0.75 Gullimans, all his abilities are the same but slightly worse except for Oath out of nowhere rather than just chaining existing Oath

[sour sequoia]

Cawl has one advantage of being such an inhuman sculpt you can kitbash for whatever the fuck, I’m working on Scoria-izing mine

[vital barn]

I'm considering going full Dune with mine and doing an aminotic tank on six legs covered in guns

[past sphinx]

if huron is the brainy HQ please god let me get abbadon the smashfucker back

[hollow laurel]

I may be late but with all the epic hero talk I am so hopeful but not optimistic for

[vital barn]

Cawl is about where I'd imagine a combat archmagos should be to be fair

except I do want a choppy version of him because I like roboblenders

he's a bit too huge support-wise but that's because he has to carry half the army

[hollow laurel]

Like in 10e (and 9th, when I came back) the lack of "your dudes" due to epic heroes put me in CK, who have no epic heroes

[still warren]

Oh damn bonereapers gets an actual ranged unit now

[vital barn]

I remember back when Cawl's model was first previewed everyone was hoping for lots of customisation on what was surely the new generic archmagos model

alas

[hollow laurel]

And they're cool!

kapjak ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161696278640594954 message) Oh damn bonereapers gets an actual ranged unit now 📎

[broken dew]

need more genericus guys to slap my custom dudes over

[past sphinx]

blessed be the chaos lords

[wide veldt]

Just slap ur custom names and paint schemes over named charcaters

Characters

Okay so blood angels are like

A slightly more melee and mobility focused chapter

[vital barn]

meanwhile in 30k my generic tech-assassin can knock Sigismund over and headbutt him to death before she goes off to her afternoon prayer service

[broken dew]

true

[vital barn]

I'm all for genericising existing unique characters but it would be nice if they had remained sidegrades or slight upgrades on the generics

rather than generic captains, the best you can do, being below all the named captains, who are below all the named chapter masters, who are below the primarchs

[hollow laurel]

Yeah like "counts as this other epic hero" just doesn't hit the same to me.

[vital barn]

it might be hard to do for Legion primarchs because there are no generic space marines as large as they are

[hollow laurel]

Heresy it weirdly bothers me less

[vital barn]

but there are absolutely a whole bunch of techpriests as big as Cawl, Orks as big as Ghazzy or Sisters as big as whatshername

Vahl

[wide veldt]

To be fair

There’s not really room in the lore for OC primarchs

To my understanding

[sour sequoia]

There is if you’re not a fucking coward

[hollow laurel]

There's 2 of them!

[vital barn]

in Heresy the unique archmagi are pretty mid actually

[wide veldt]

From GWs perspective I mean

[vital barn]

Scoria is a great beatstick but Generic Lacrymaerta Archmagos is a pretty S tier HQ

[wide veldt]

Obviously the lore doesn’t actually matter do whatever

[vital barn]

but in 30k the gap between generics and specials is way smaller

[hollow laurel]

30k seems like a good game wish they had xenos

[vital barn]

in 40k almost every army has captain big dick epic hero who is on a whole other tier from every generic

(apart from GSC, who remain perfect)

[broken dew]

did an army list a while back and i ended up figuring that the best proxy for my chapter master was a centurion simply because i made his honor guard ramshackle saturnines

[wide veldt]

I do wish GSC had like

Any named guys

At all

[vital barn]

it's really part of the charm for me that they don't

[broken dew]

the nids thing innit

[vital barn]

they don't exactly lack in characters, that's for damn sure

[wide veldt]

Lmao real

[broken dew]

you wouldn't have any notable guys since they all get eaten every time the nids show up

[vital barn]

the generic archmagos, for reference

generic primarch statline is 7 and then all 6s

so he's basically on their level once he adds the near-universal +1WS/BS buff

[wide veldt]

That’s crazy

[vital barn]

he lacks the durability they get from their damage reduction rules and absurd melee weapons, he just has FNP and a power fist

but he will happily fistfight a full melee knight or leviathan dread

[broken dew]

fuck it up tech boy

[wide veldt]

Hmm

[vital barn]

every army besides Militia does have someone in the primarch slot

the one for Mechanicum is Scoria

[wide veldt]

Trying to decide if blood angels is a good idea for “learning” space marines

[wide veldt]

They’re not one of the guys with a whole ass other codex I don’t think

[vital barn]

when you have a normal number of wounds

he's a Walker so he has to go solo, but he is basically designed entirely to soak 20 lascannons on his glorious omnissian abs and then heal himself to full every round

he's bigger than a normal archmagos but he's clearly on the same plane of existence, as it were

and a normal archmagos will have way better army support

[junior summit]

All the GSC characters being archetypes imo sells how they're all ultimately infiltration units for the hive fleets in a really cool way

[wide veldt]

Yknow what

[junior summit]

i.e. theres always a roguish freedom fighter who guns down the oppressors because it's a useful character to have

[wide veldt]

Actually

I’m gonna make big standard ultramarines gladius first

Just to like

Get the faction

[hollow laurel]

Rules are temporary, cool minis are forever so

[wide veldt]

No no for sure
I play on TTS tho lmao

[hollow laurel]

Ah, understandable

[wide veldt]

(I mean in theory I haven’t really gotten the Chance to play a real game yet this run)

[past sphinx]

cool minis exist until i can eat them infront of my horrified opponent

[wide veldt]

I’m making a bunch of lists to like

Figure everything out

[broken dew]

i should finish making my custom chapter army at some point

[vital barn]

in lieu of allowing us to shoot primarch models with a gun, my old HH group had a standing gentleman's agreement that if someone who wasn't running a primarch took down a primarch and won the game, the loser had to provide them with a trophy

[broken dew]

i'm sure it's not going to be particularly good since i'm just putting proxies in for all the cool named characters i made but it should at least be kinda funny

[wide veldt]

And ultramarines gladius seems like a good “figure out baseline marines”

[vital barn]

usually just a helmet, sword or pauldron but it was great to go trophy hunting

excellent rule

[stark cypress]

They did it

[wide veldt]

Also obviously I’m taking Robert

[stark cypress]

GW did it

[stark cypress]

They revealed Tarellian DOG SOLDIERS!!!

[wide veldt]

I’m not gonna play a faction with a living prinarch and NOT take him

Wait are you being serious

[stark cypress]

LIZARDMEN CAN ANYWHERE!!!

[rocky shale]

Marines are largely some flavor of melee bricks with incidental shooting support

[stark cypress]

YESSSSS

[wide veldt]

For guard??

Wait

Or are they tau

Ouuughh

[rocky shale]

No just one for csm

[wide veldt]

Oh okay

I’m silly

[rocky shale]

There's just one lizard

[stark cypress]

PLEASE

GW

[broken dew]

lizards, how do they work

[stark cypress]

MAKE MORE SILLY LIZARDS IN SPACE!!

[wide veldt]

Me when Calgar costs more than Guilleman points wise

…

Wait

I can’t read

I’m having a night

[still warren]

Lizard had a votaan glove, can't blame me for thinking it was a chaos ironkin lol

[wide veldt]

YO TITUS IS HERE??

[sour sequoia]

@wide veldt not only do blood angels have their own codex but they have been main character special marines with More for the longest of any chapter ever

[broken dew]

and Gadriel iirc

[wide veldt]

Oh lmao

Welp

[broken dew]

Chairon isn't because he is dead

[wide veldt]

Yeah okay Ultramar it is

I don’t actually hate the ultramarines tbh they’re just

Like… real boring

[broken dew]

lmao

[wide veldt]

God damn 10 wounds on a character huh Robert

(I know that’s not his name but it is tho)

WOW ARMOR OF FATE HUH

[broken dew]

he's the guy

[wide veldt]

God damn this motherfucker refuses to die

[rocky shale]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/kcuvmezh/new-custodes-your-questions-answered/

[past sphinx]

hit him with a vindicator

[past sphinx]

James, begging people to shut the fuck up and be normal

[vital barn]

the Ultramarines are boring but it is fun to go into them and just start racking up names

"so you won by 5vp, but Guilliman, Ventris and Calgar are all dead"

"yep"

[hollow laurel]

On the one hand, I feel like a mark for seriously considering custodes because girl heads

[broken dew]

the Ynnari gave him a one time use get out of jail free card

[hollow laurel]

However

[vital barn]

"think Chapter Command is going to be happy about that one?"

"well, they all just got rinsed, so it doesn't matter"

[hollow laurel]

They are super cool and also the plastic custodes contemptors <3

[vital barn]

I like 90% of the new models but I will say the super-tall helms with the super-tall plumes might be a little much for me

and I miss the shin decorations

still, huge improvement

[stark cypress]

Terra
Ultramarine: "NO THE PRIMARCH!!!!!"

The Lion: "...I'm alone again. My brothers are all gone. Why. WHY?! WHAT HAVE WE DONE TO DESERVE THIS FATHER!?"

[vital barn]

and it's easy to do some judicious hat editing

[broken dew]

the legs do feel a bit underdecorated

[wide veldt]

Been watching a lot of lore videos

[soft willow]

While also n-tupling down on weird Space Marine excuses.

[vital barn]

they borrowed the legs from the sigmarine spares box

[floral herald]

Hey, dark angels tie them!

[wide veldt]

It’s really

Really funny

How many primarchs were just huge assholes in the heresy

[floral herald]

(I think it’s so funny they used to share a codex)

[vital barn]

shouldn't have messed with Generic Genestealer Cult/Ork warboss/Techpriest 5 million, clearly

[wide veldt]

Like

LOYALIST PRIMARCHS

that are just the worst

[broken dew]

yeah

[vital barn]

the wonders of 500 books all skewed towards your viewpoint vs one silly tabletop game

[stark cypress]

Let's see.

[broken dew]

frankly considering their dad

not surprising

[stark cypress]

Uh, probably the Lion.

[broken dew]

they didn't lick it off stones

[remote wharf]

On a non-custodes note, those big clean areas on the upcoming raiders are screaming for insane free hand painting.

[vital barn]

I feel I have to point out Russ here because he does the same "learning how to get over himself and not rush in like an idiot helicopering his dick" character arc four consecutive times in the Heresy and still fails to do so

[wide veldt]

Also recently poorhammer got me to actually feel bad for Magnus

[wide veldt]

Looks at his dumbass killing Alpharius

When he was actively being a double agent and trying to tell him important info

[vital barn]

that was Dorn

[broken dew]

didn't Dorn do that

i love Dorn

[floral herald]

I think it’s kind of a tie between Russ, who manages to stubbornly refuse every growth moment the universe throws at him

[wide veldt]

Oh sorry form

[floral herald]

Lion, for kinda the same thing

[broken dew]

Alpharius saying "but... victory" right before dorn cuts his entire head in two pieces is so fucking peak

[floral herald]

Or Dorn who’s just a dick all the time

[broken dew]

trying to be mysterious and sneaky with Rogal Dorn of all people was such a dogshit move

it's so fucking funny to me that Dorn just completely ignores everything that is being told to him and just kills alpharius

[vital barn]

Russ told the space wolves to rush in against Angron and they got rinsed, rushed in against Magnus and they got rinsed, rushed in against the AL and would have died if he hadn't been bailed out by the Dark Angels and then rushes in again against Horus while Sangy, Dorn and Khan are all sitting around facepalming at him

truly top tier character development

[wide veldt]

Oh hey I have a loaded question

[broken dew]

"i have important information, we can win"
"shut up and die"

[vital barn]

Horus should have killed him, it would have resolved that nicely

[wide veldt]

What does Prospero Burned mean

[vital barn]

the 1ksons come from a planet called Prospero

[broken dew]

that's Russ torching Magnus home innit

[stark cypress]

Yes

[vital barn]

the Space Wolves and Custodes destroyed it just before the Heresy because Magnus was being a very naughty boy

[floral herald]

Makes sense his guys founded the Deathwatch really

[broken dew]

Big E sent Russ to go get Magnus

Horus told Russ that Big E wanted him to kill Magnus instead

[hollow laurel]

Yeah means the planet prospero was all set on fire

[vital barn]

and Russ was easily talked into altering his orders from "capture Magnus and bring him back for censure" to "kill that red bastard" and as a result the loyalists were down 1.5 legions

[broken dew]

Russ and the Custodes went and torched the whole fucking planet

[wide veldt]

Mhmhm

Not

Not great

[vital barn]

the 1ksons did pretty good considering

[wide veldt]

Was magnus even a traitor at that point

[broken dew]

iirc Magnus was also like

sitting on his ass watching it all burn down around him iirc

[hollow laurel]

QUESTIONABLE

[broken dew]

so like

idk he kinda owned himself

he could have said something to Russ

[vital barn]

never have I seen a deck stacked that hard against someone who is still one-tapping entire squads of custodes

Phosis T'Kar, built different

[remote wharf]

Lion has at least realized he was, in fact, not the hottest shit to ever exist after a 10,000 power nap .

[broken dew]

in fact iirc Russ literally called him on his phone

and Magnus didn't pick up

[vital barn]

oh Magnus was also way too up himself

[broken dew]

so he can hold the L as far as i am concerned

he's an idiot

[vital barn]

both legions there got fucked by their primarchs being massive idiots

[broken dew]

he could have done literally anything and the result would have been better

[pastel rampart]

There's maybe 2 legions that weren't being lead by massive idiots, honestly.

[vital barn]

well, the Sons were pretty doomed anyway, due to the flesh-change, but they could have at least done a lot more good before melting

[hollow laurel]

Imo, Magnus was still acting in the best faith he could for humanity, however ☝️ primarchs are bad at these things

[broken dew]

yeah but like

[desert jay]

There's not even really an excuse in there, it just feels like a matter-of-fact "it is what it is"

[wide veldt]

Okay so

[broken dew]

Prospero would probably not have been entirely fucking torched if he did something

[wide veldt]

Surprisingly not as bad

As I thought it would be

I mean it’s pretty bad but like

The imperium does exterminatus on the reg

[broken dew]

yeah

i mean

Monarchia was worse i'd say

like prospero at least has idiot balls involved everywhere

[wide veldt]

Then again I was hearing about Prospero FROM a thousand sons Stan

[broken dew]

from both sides

Monarchia did not iirc

[desert jay]

A mix of idiot balls and active villainy, TBF

[broken dew]

true

[vital barn]

Prospero was not really out of line relative to other imperium murderdeathkill moments but it was especially stupid teamkilling that it happened at all

[broken dew]

but like

Monarchia was just pure betrayal

[hollow laurel]

Like dgmw I love heresy TS

Bit also they were stupid

[broken dew]

Monarchia was not just a knife in the back but it was twisted too

[wide veldt]

Do the space wolves from back then at least feel kinda bad

About it

[broken dew]

lmao

you know

the Space Wolves didn't much like Psykers

[hollow laurel]

I don't think any space wolf has ever felt bad about anything

[broken dew]

i really don't think you can expect them to feel bad about burning a planet

especially not one full of traitor psykers

[vital barn]

luckily the space wolves spent the entire rest of the pre-heresy and heresy period taking a long series of massive Ls

so it's not like they didn't get shown up for it

[wide veldt]

Desperately hope the wolves get a refresh

[broken dew]

you're expecting a lot of the wolves if you think any of them felt even remotely bad about it

[wide veldt]

Yeah sorry I’m so salamanders pilled

I briefly forgot

[broken dew]

i balance it by having my two favourite chapters be the Lamenters and Marines Malevolent

[wide veldt]

Yknow what

After seeing what a clusterfuck heresy era marines are

The codex was a good idea

I’m warming up to the smurfs

[vital barn]

Personally if I had to play Marines it would either be Iron Hands or Minotaurs

Probably minos

Not sure what chapter's rules I'd use

Maybe IH just for their guy with whacky stick

[wide veldt]

The iron hands who have iron hands because of their primarch iron hands who had iron hands?

[vital barn]

Yeah

They have a really good book but are otherwise out of focus because they're huge arseholes

Eye of Medusa is a fun read

[hollow laurel]

If I were to do (canon) marines it's TS or DA

[broken dew]

straight up Lamenting it personally

[past sphinx]

I have great news we just got one

[hollow laurel]

Like I got a termie captain with my winged prime for £3 bcos. Magazine. And painted him up as heresy DA

[broken dew]

lamenting the fucking painting i'd have to do to play Lamenters

[wide veldt]

Uwah?

[hollow laurel]

And it's cool!

[wide veldt]

For the shitty looking wolf guys?

[hollow laurel]

But

[restive obsidian]

Marines...

[hollow laurel]

Marines...

[vital barn]

If I'm correct, Asterion Moloc doesn't even have rules anymore

[sour sequoia]

Guilliman Dies To One Construction Vehicle on average given +1 to hit :]

[wide veldt]

Cough

[vital barn]

which is funny considering he gets more glaze than a doughnut factory

[wide veldt]

What

If it’s a necron construction vehicle that doesn’t count!

[wide veldt]

Oh noooo

[sour sequoia]

This thing mogs guilliman for 120pts and a gargoyle existing within 6”

[desert jay]

Don't forget their flagship, hand of iron

[broken dew]

lmao

[past sphinx]

Mr iron hand standing on the hand of iron, leader of the iron hands who has iron hands

iron hand

[desert jay]

(Technically the ship is named Fist of Iron

[broken dew]

mfw the hand is iron

[past sphinx]

i think james keeps them in the dark due to sheer embarrassment sometimes

[sour sequoia]

Raven Guard nearly as bad

[desert jay]

God I wonder why they're all so depressed all the time

Intentionally designed to mimic the environment of Medusa, the vessel was cold, bleak, dimly lit, and the atmosphere recycled constant bazalt dust throughout the air.

[past sphinx]

Hey raven gaurd have gotten TWO models!

[sour sequoia]

Crow Crow Leader Of The Crows
Legion Doctrine of Talons Claws Raptors

[junior summit]

in fairness I think most of the primarchs would just die if you hit them square with a truck with a rock cutter on the front

but the issue is doing that

[wide veldt]

THEY HAVE COAL DUST IN THEIR AIR RECYCLER

BRCAUSE THEY LIVE ON A MINING WORLD

???

FUCK OFF

[junior summit]

rock dust

is medusa a mining world?

i thought it had a bunch of giant city vehicles

[wide veldt]

Sorry I just assumed

[junior summit]

oh it is a mining world

[broken dew]

bro stop fucking cycling rock dust in the fucking enviro systems wdym 😭

[desert jay]

It's like a volcanic/tectonic death world with little to offer the rest of the Imperium but rocks, yes

[wide veldt]

Imagine being a normal guy who is invited on their ship and it’s just

Full of lung poison

For no fucking reason

[sour sequoia]

Excited Mortarion Noises

[broken dew]

was gonna say

[desert jay]

Oh and after a Death Guard attack in M42, Medusa also has plague zones

[broken dew]

that is the thing fucking Mortarion did

[vital barn]

Their novels are both very good and consist largely of them being huge grumpy dicks to each other for literally no reason

top tier space marining

[broken dew]

the iron hands must be gods awful dogshit to fight alongside

[past sphinx]

casual amount of radiation posioning

[vital barn]

At one point the local Mechanicus emissary takes a guard general aside and explains that these guys are a bit too into the Flesh Is Weak thing and that she's sorry if they're bastards

that takes some fucking work

[hollow laurel]

Gnight warhamber chat

[broken dew]

oh you're working with us? fuck you miners lung

die

[wide veldt]

I’m not gonna lie

I would still take “ambassador to the uranium dust ship

[broken dew]

making the Mechanicus people think you are low on humanity is bad yeah

[wide veldt]

Over like

Any other guard position

[vital barn]

Currently my only marine army is 30k alpha legion and I only intend to get about 2/3 to 3/4 of a full army there

[wide veldt]

Do you think demons who get aboard ships during warp jumps ever like

[vital barn]

The rest gets filled in with Mechanicum allies

[wide veldt]

Get on board a space marine ship, see a marine

And go “god fucking dammit”

“These guys again”

[broken dew]

Orks

they do this with Orks

[wide veldt]

Fair

I love the tidbit that orks don’t have geller fields because they WANT the crazy horseshit fights

[broken dew]

in-flight entertainment

[wide veldt]

I would desperately want to do anthropology with orks

Be an ork ethnographer

Study the teef economy

Is there teef inflation

[vital barn]

I believe the answer is yes because every ork constantly grows more

[junior summit]

the teef rot which takes them out of circulation

which is at least partly why freebooters like gold because it doesnt rot

[vital barn]

Centrork Banking introducing new kinds of orky sugar to the food supply to make them rot faster

[wide veldt]

No I recognize that this is why

*now

Or rather

That an ork focused anthropologist is the kinda character that gets introduced

[junior summit]

but also yes there is inflation as a result of demand spikes

[wide veldt]

And you see them the next scene with their head tied to an ork shield

[junior summit]

this was a side character in brutal kunning

he had a sawed off lascannon as his EDC

[vital barn]

he also missed the entire waagh destroying his planet because he was busy

[desert jay]

Cunnin Ork who figures out how ta do business wit Teef Futures becuz Orks is always growin moar teef

[vital barn]

and when asked why he had a lascannon despite not knowing there were orks about he replied that he found very few problems that weren't improved by having a lascannon

[wide veldt]

Okay are the ork books actually that good

I keep hearing they’re great

[vital barn]

Brutal Kunning is very good

I hear the sequel is similar but I was reading it for the Admech and they're not in The Big Dakka

[wide veldt]

Is it FROM an ork POV?

[vital barn]

half of it is, yes

maybe a bit over half

[junior summit]

There are charitably speaking like three orks currently existing who could comprehend a toof future

zero customer base because nobody else can read

[wide veldt]

Introducing the stock market to orks

[junior summit]

I think the funniest part is that at the end protagonist leader person ||shoots both of her superiors largely out of frustration|| and everyone else shrugs and agrees that they were probably heretics

those deep mechanicus bonds of loyalty etc etc

[rocky shale]

It looks like that new corsair vehicle has a d cannon

My body is ready

[past sphinx]

unironically the best ending to a 40k book

[desert jay]

When you think about it, when the Emperor and/or Omnissiah demand you give your all for your duty, then incompetence is a form of heresy

[vital barn]

they were very incompetent

[wide veldt]

See now you’re thinking like a lord inquisitor

[vital barn]

I do wish I could put some of those magi's wild weapon configs on the tabletop

lascannon guy, Stroika with his general grievous arms, the guy from Archmagos who looks like the Lich King and wanders around gutting chaos marines with his bare hands because they're giant powered talons

[junior summit]

kotov ripping his entire ammo supply in a minute

[vital barn]

I like how kotov's bullet time has apparently become stock Mechanicus combat tech

everyone has the ability to hit the archaeoblunt for slow mo even if they're some random cop

(meaning no disrespect to Rho-1 Lux)

[junior summit]

rho 1 lux is some random cop with a volkite serpenta

[vital barn]

I do quite like the new 30k skitarii rifles as an all-in one robit combat package, I feel the two options here are "volkite" and "fusion torch that doubles a a meltagun"

excellent longarm, better range than your regular volkite charger, bayonet that somehow lets you punch like a tactical marine

looks really zany

definitely strapping one to an Enginseer or two for style

[tranquil ivy]

[Spoilered because New Year Preview]

||As someone who's been tweaking his renegade chapter, this has kinda just thrown off the mental shackles for me, lmao.||

oh nevermind lmao

genuinely though

I'm fucking excited for it

[pale narwhal]

it is sick

the entire release (aside from, tbh, huron himself) is really cool

[tranquil ivy]

yea im genuinely ready to overhaul my astartes again

i already went for the chaos but

now Kulve doesn't feel so damn outlandish

[past sphinx]

Tallierns are part of the greater good

so that would explain the gear

[floral herald]

damn this is crazy

[pale narwhal]

tzeentchian silver tower?

[floral herald]

It's an "Argent Shard" so like a piece of one I guess

[pastel rampart]

Each Argent Shard is taken from a Silver Tower, either naturally formed by the tower, or crafted from a shattered piece of it dislodged during battle. Formed in pairs, the shards shift and phase in and out of reality, and when the foe destroys one, its twin can split in two, ensuring the Disciples of Tzeentch can continue their arcane barrage.

[pale narwhal]

ooh funky

[pastel rampart]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/e/ea/Silver_Tower.jpg

Mind, Silver Towers look like this.

https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/4/42/Silver_Towers_01.png Though in AoS they look more appropriate but I'm a fan of the 3 Mushroom Cap lookin' mfers.

[raven meteor]

So this has been a bit of an emperor's new clothes 'question I want to ask but have felt foolish about doing so' thing but
Why don't they just like
Make custodians
Instead of astartes
Like for all the super soldiers

[pastel rampart]

Plot contrivance, mostly, but in-universe it's because:

• Each custodes is hand-crafted--they have something unique about them that can't be replicated and they're rebuild from the ground-up using highly specialized genetic engineering. As such they're very costly and in limited number, whereas space marines are--for the most part--able to be mass-produced. You can even flash clones if you're really hard-pressed for more superhuman soldiers.
• Custodes are also genetically hardwired to be loyal to the Emperor, period, no exceptions. That makes them poor leaders and tacticians because they lack a fundamental independence that space marines do have.

[past sphinx]

Stodes also seem to have some juju space magic going on with them

[pastel rampart]

Yeah.

[past sphinx]

astartes are meat straight to the bone

[pastel rampart]

Also a matter of training. Space marines are geared to work in teams and coordinate well together. This is not the case for Custodes, who are trained first and foremost to protect the Emperor and everything else a distant second. Custodes are limited in number and have to be self-sufficient and able to tackle on small armies by themselves to maximize their combat abilities.

[desert jay]

I think they've eased up on the second point

But yeah "individually hand-crafted by master gene-artisans" does slow down the production process

[pastel rampart]

Yeah. A space marine has a turn-around of like, a decade or two? from initiate to scout to full-fledged marine, whereas it probably takes two decades to figure out the right genetic cocktail to turn a person into a Custodes.

[valid brook]

Late to the show but: the lizard is fuckin sick

I think this is the first ever mini of a Tallerian?

[pastel rampart]

Custodes are powerful and can turn the tide of battle, sure, but a squad of marines can destabilize an entire enemy command structure and blow up a power grid along with it and that wins wars.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/735679742048469082/1461915053417824256/FB_IMG_1768612481643.jpg?ex=696c49fd&is=696af87d&hm=8401d1f31cb62485781ebe77c383ebb0d68ba68d03695c274d4c0fdd1c57d41c&

[remote wharf]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/kcuvmezh/new-custodes-your-questions-answered/

[pastel rampart]

There are no female Adeptus Astartes.

Laughs in Fabius Bile.

[remote wharf]

Custodes are also made from literal infants while space marine aspirant can be anywhere from 8 to 14.

[junior summit]

custodians are also less independent as an organization for better or worse

[atomic apex]

I don't get why they do this, but then hold so adamant to the no female marine rule

[junior summit]

a space marine chapter contains everything it needs to be self sufficient and can be unleashed upon the galaxy to roam and cause problems, the custodes need a bunch of support elements on Terra

[atomic apex]

introducing the Primaris would have been the perfect opportunity to just go "oh yeah Cawl fixed it, women can be marines now"

[junior summit]

oh the fem custodes look sick

Fairly restrained boobplate but its there if you look which is conceptually kinda bleh but it does look good

[past sphinx]

i cant* even tell if thats a boob plate

[junior summit]

and there is an argument that female heads for the normal custodes line is sorta cheating

[junior summit]

her right side under the lightning bolts

[past sphinx]

i think its the same as the dude hes just got a tilt over it

the shield cap aint got one

[junior summit]

oh yeah maybe thats just pecs

even better

[remote wharf]

AKA a safari in the outback.

[raven meteor]

I kind of want to do a custodes army
But also how do a custodes army
Is it really just 'take these 20 heaps of armor saves, wounds, and melee attacks and go'

[rocky shale]

And like 2 tanks

[raven meteor]

Can I take 2 dreadnoughts instead

[stark cypress]

Dreadnought army

possible? No

To dream? Yes

[raven meteor]

I do find it incredibly funny that the custodes dreadnoughts just
Use big versions of their normal weapons
As opposed to the space marine dreadnoughts

Which have like, hardpoint autocannons and such

[wide veldt]

i like

termies

looking at space marines

just big lads

[desert jay]

I mean, SM Dreads also have big bolter and big flamer and big power fist

[raven meteor]

That's true enough, but those are more like
Applications of the same technology than The Same Weapon
Whereas

[rocky shale]

Kinda but the don't do the same role

Tanks are your only high strength shooting at any substantial range and volume of fire

With strats and buffs and such your normal guys can out some hurt on tanks in melee and so can dreads

[raven meteor]

Ah well, I suppose that's fair
I've already managed to overcome my disappointment at the relative necessity of heavy armor with Sisters

[rocky shale]

The heavy blaze cannon is 4A, BS2+, S12 AP3 D6+2 with twin linked and lethal hits

[raven meteor]

Yeahhhhhhh

Tanks are very good, I just typically prefer infantry
Cool Fella over Metal Box you know
But all is well
The Cool Fellas can receive Metal Box support

[rocky shale]

You could probably get away without vehicles in the right detschment if you brought a good amount of jetbikes

[junior summit]

the custodes tanks hit like freight trains

[viral crest]

Hello!

I come in here with an asking questions about lists

What should I be looking for in building Thousand Sons?

[desert jay]

Make sure you have some sorcerors

Thankfully cabal points are gone so sorcerormaxing is no longer required

[past sphinx]

just realized none of those new custodes have the power weapon lighting

lost technology

[viral crest]

How many

A sorcerer for each Rubric squad? more?

[wide veldt]

The tzeentch pillars having weird flesh insides rocks

[dense sedge]

Tarellians feel more lizard than dog to me

[raven meteor]

The Ares Gunship is so fucking ridiculous
580 God Damned Points
18 God Damned Strength on its main gun
I can't imagine it's a worthwhile investment
But waow

Its like a flying baneblade

This bit in it's store page also cracks me tf up
'BLEASE don't break it BLEASE we beg you don't break the 500+ dollar model'

[floral herald]

I think all the resin kits say that

And it’s kinda true resin is a pain in the butt especially for large models

[mental birch]

Oh who here was doint lizard space marines?

Was trying to figure out heads

[sour sequoia]

Depends how comp you wanna get. Scarab Occults have very high potential in Rubricae, I love seeing 10-20 of them with characters attached, the revenge shoot-backs are absolutely absurd

Beyond that, they’re in a decent spot rn and run a good range of units across the army—your character attaches are basically all crazy, always run sorcs and infernal masters or whatever they’re called, magnus and ahriman are dynamite characters, the sekhetars and mutaliths and tzaangors are all phenomenal units at their given role

I don’t see super heavy on tanks, I usually see slogging rubrics and deepstriking tanks + daemon princes

[viral crest]

What is the Sekhetars role?

[mental birch]

Being inflitrating menaces

[sour sequoia]

^^^

[thin ibex]

Magic super stealth golem robots

Guard stuff

Pretty much they're whole thing

[quaint compass]

Flamenwerfer

[vital barn]

Thinking about the new custodes and wondering if I can neatly swap out the very few bits I think look a little odd to make a small squad of Optimal Golden Boys

Old spear hafts + sagittarum helmets + something to greeble up the shins because they look strangely plain compared to everything above themmight actually work without tons of effort

[pine matrix]

Damn these new Corsair models are sick as hell

[jaunty dawn]

The fact that they have red corsairs and eldar corsairs being released simultaneously is kinda confusing in retrospect

[pine matrix]

Could have just called them Eldar Pirates, I suppose

I really like Eldar models too, I loved building the Voidscarred models

[quaint compass]

Red Eldar Corsairs seems like a decent compromise imo

[past sphinx]

simple swap

i WILL defend goofy huron till i die however

[broken dew]

i cannot stop seeing the fucking wallace and gromit thing with Hurons new face

[past sphinx]

not sure if im going to really convert him

well

he IS british

[broken dew]

also idk if i really fw the oven mitt

[broken dew]

obligatory

[past sphinx]

hes going to steal the moons cheese

also really love how hes just a first born marine

thats just Mk7 armor with skulls on

[junior robin]

really wish they didnt mix in the new chaos cornerless shoulderpads with the renegades though....

[soft willow]

You get your armor wherever you can, so sometimes you yoink a chaos one or hire the True Mechanicum and they cut the corners.

[pastel rampart]

Yeah that's just expected of renegades.

Heck, that was expected of the 13th Company who had turned all werewolf and been rampaging for a few thousand years without support from Space Wolves.

[tired cairn]

I guess them being Chaos rules wise makes the most sense, even if they shouldn't be getting the dark pact stuff lore wise?

[pastel rampart]

They're chaos in the loosest sense, but GW doesn't want to make renegade-only rules so it's kinda hamfisted into the existing CSM stuff.

[tired cairn]

Yeah, I don't think it's unreasonable tbh. Could be nice to have a detachment for it though

[pastel rampart]

It would but y'know, we can't have a proper fucking Lost and the Damned list and it's been 23 years.

[dense idol]

hello chat

quick bit of listbuilding advice

[jaunty dawn]

Red corsairs are chaos

[dense idol]

my necron 1k points awakened dynasty list has an especially Funny unit taking up over a quarter of its points

[jaunty dawn]

Like they might not be the most fervent disciples but they have absolutely fallen

[dense idol]

translocation shroud overlord + plasmancer + 10 tesla carbine immortals

[atomic apex]

That is a very funny unit

[dense idol]

advance 11" and then unload 20 shots with sustained hits 2 and 5+ crits on the first turn, wiping out the clueless scout units that tried to hold the first middle point

[atomic apex]

Seems pretty good yeah

[dense idol]

the drawback is that those 10 immortals are sitting at 5 toughness, 3+ saves, and 10 wounds, so if they get hit by anything significant they melt instantly

and then i'm left with 140 points of dead weight character units

so i'm wondering if there's anything else i could do with those 290 points which is more reliable

Char2: 1x Overlord (85 pts): Warlord, Resurrection orb, Voidscythe
Char3: 1x Overlord with Translocation Shroud (85 pts): Resurrection orb, Overlord's blade
Char4: 1x Plasmancer (55 pts): Plasmic lance
Char5: 1x Skorpekh Lord (120 pts): Enmitic annihilator, Flensing claw, Hyperphase harvester
Enhancement: Enaegic Dermal Bond (+30 pts)

10x Immortals (150 pts): 10 with Close combat weapon, Tesla carbine

3x Lokhust Heavy Destroyers (165 pts): 3 with Close combat weapon, Gauss destructor
10x Lychguard (170 pts): 10 with Hyperphase sword and dispersion shield
3x Skorpekh Destroyers (90 pts): 3 with Skorpekh hyperphase weapons```

[sour sequoia]

Ophydians are a great move, so are tomb blades

You don’t strictly need much more than a plasmancer to make immortals slap

[atomic apex]

the Plasmancer is definitely the more important of the leaders, yeah

[sour sequoia]

If this is in Awakened Dynasty or Starshatter I like the translo overlord at 2k still because you get to 0CP an assault+ auto advance 6” so just Move 11” 2+ BS full rerolls 5+ crit mass sustained you can buff to AP -1 and ignore cover, rerolling 1s or full wounds on obj

“Hey Kharn ever watched 18 of your friends disappear”

[pine matrix]

Maybe I should finally finish that Lugft Huron primaris conversion I was gonna paint one of these days

[stark cypress]

It would be neat for GW to publish renegade rules.

Because then if you wanted to be funny, you could have a small band of mercenary marines support a Tau assault on an Ork world.

[pine matrix]

I know CSM have the same level of xenophobia as regular space marines as a whole, but I wonder if it's the same for renegade marines like the Red Corsairs

[sour sequoia]

Seems like Huron’s chill, given the new stuff

[floral herald]

I like the look as well, it’s disquieting in a good way

[tired cairn]

I'd expect a bit less on average but still pretty high because they came from a very xenophobic society and probably still live in one. Though they certainly have more reasons to work or otherwise interact with xenos as a counterbalance (and I imagine it depends on how long ago they became renegades and under what circumstances)

[jaunty dawn]

Apparently the red corsairs broadcast swearing on all frequencies as they board you

Uh huron’s philosophy is basically anyone can serve their purpose as long as they serve him

He used human auxiliaries and space marines as combined arms during the badab wars

Any other red corsair marine’s xenophobia has to contend with the fact a lizard woman can kill them if they take it anywhere and huron wont give a shit

But at the same time I dont think huron would really give a shit if they did succeed

Its just unlikely to happen

[floral herald]

Yeah Huron is fairly chill as far as space marines go

He's just a normal authoritarian tyrant who isn't scared of a lil chaos juice

[jaunty dawn]

whereas there are definitely csm warbands that are marine supremacist to the point of not fighting with any support

[pine matrix]

Say what you want about the Tyrant of Badab, he's equally a tyrant to everyone

[raven meteor]

God I'm so excited for Boltgun 2
Shooter with Sister protag......
Every time I express a desire for Sister games I am directed to Dawn of War 1, which I'm sure is a lovely game but
Also
An RTS

[sonic hare]

oooh if you combine that ability with sustained hits its very strong isnt it

[raven meteor]

Give me Space Marine 2 but your a bunch of sisters going on missions
I will literally give you my soul

[atomic apex]

Yep

Also unrelated, why is the Plasmancer the only cryptek with a small base?

It doesn't super matter, its just odd to me

[sonic hare]

oh my god it's another fucking royal court model

I loathe the royal court box

[sonic hare]

I blame the royal court / indomitus being a weird product

[floral herald]

New Defiler???

[pastel rampart]

Might be another daemon engine entirely.

[sonic hare]

I thought it was peter

[floral herald]

The big crab hand and plate makes me think Defiler

[pastel rampart]

It's possible, sure, but "crab legs" fits a lot of potential daemon engines at this point.

[floral herald]

true

[pastel rampart]

I'd like a new Defiler though because that thing is long in the teeth at this point, shit came out in 2003.

[broken dew]

almost as old as me damn

[misty violet]

Yeah, I am really hoping for a new defiler and a new (admittedly totally unrelated to the iron warriors) CSM bike squad

Because both of them feel like essential CSM units except they're now jarringly old compared to the rest of the line up

[floral herald]

I think CSM Bikers are like top 5 oldest rules-legal sculpts

[broken dew]

damn

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah it looks defiler-y to me

[valid brook]

the defiler blew us away back in the day

Hell of a kit for the time

[floral herald]

definitely

I thought it looked sick as fuck in DoW 1

I don't even hate how it's aged but it's such a pain to assemble lol

[desert jay]

Having looked over the previews and compared existing stuff, I think Defiler, Helbrute, and Warpsmith are likely, Foofiends are a maybe

[pastel rampart]

Defiler's still a good-looking kit but also yeah uh I wish it was easier to assemble, thing is annoying.

[broken dew]

man that flail arm looks funny as hell but that's honestly a pretty sick looking kit

[pastel rampart]

It makes for great conversions.

[broken dew]

i can imagine

[atomic apex]

so are Defilers just a funky dreadnought rebuild Chaos does?

[jaunty dawn]

they're daemon engines

so you make a big robot

and then tell a daemon drive this robot and you will be powerful than if you just manifested in the real world

and then you lock them inside

[atomic apex]

ah, I see

[broken dew]

average Iron Warriors moment

[pastel rampart]

Unfortunately Defilers were in a weird spot rules-wise because they awkwardly had melee and shooting and not being all that great at either.

[sonic hare]

Peter rabo

[broken dew]

mr.turbo and his boys figuring out the optimal way to torture demons for fun and profit

[desert jay]

Helbrute is also pretty good looking TBH

[pastel rampart]

Helbrute's 2014 so it's relatively newer.

[desert jay]

Mind you, the foot in the preview that looks like a Helbrute foot could theoretically be a Chaos dread instead. But IDK how likely the odds are of that

[desert jay]

Yeah and really plenty of models from that era have gotten refreshes

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, although weirdly not the mauler/forgefiend or heldrakes.

[desert jay]

Well Heldrake is a full on flyer and GW hasn’t done a new model or refresh for any of those in a while

And there’s speculation that Foofiends are on the slate

[pastel rampart]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Miniatures:_Chaos_Space_Marines It is very funny how the oldest CSM model still being sold is uh, the bikers.

Rhinos are a close second.

[desert jay]

Land Raider is real old too

[pastel rampart]

Same year as the rhinos and predators.

But, well, all 3 share the same kit with SMs.

[desert jay]

Chaos does get a skulls and spikes sprue

[broken dew]

wait are they still selling the second edition biker model

[pastel rampart]

Yes.

[broken dew]

they still got this mfer rolling around dam n

honestly i don't even think it looks all that bad

[pastel rampart]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/b/b1/Bike_Chaos_Space_Marine_Squadron.jpg

[broken dew]

that genuinely looks surprisingly good

[pastel rampart]

Yeah they hold up well but as mentioned earlier they're way out of look compared to modern sculpts.

[past sphinx]

Defiler is the lone chaos model i truely hate

it was fuck ugly when it came out and it remains fuck ugly

[junior robin]

I wish the still sold the night lord biker but they updated it (basically its a loyalist bike with metal biker and blades/gun plate)

[past sphinx]

not in a charming way like an ugly dog

ugly like a Ford Taurus

[broken dew]

oh yeah for sure

i'm just genuinely surprised at how good they look

i don't dislike the old style of minis

but it's exceptionally clear they are older

[pastel rampart]

Old chaos ages super well.

[broken dew]

this one looks a lot more modern for the time it was made

[floral herald]

The chaos bikers are aged better than the old legionaries kit imo

[desert jay]

Yeah and they still have a bunch of stuff from 4e (2007) that looks fine

[broken dew]

skipped leg day lmao

[floral herald]

One of the worst to assemble and move

[broken dew]

yeah these guys have seen better days

this being in the same year as those bikers is kinda crazy

this sorcerer kinda fucks trhough

[pastel rampart]

2e and 3e CSM had somethin' about them that really captured their essence.

RT-era stuff was wild tho, you had some real funky freaks in there.

[broken dew]

hunchback of nostramo looking ass

i sure do love my checks notes... Chaos Dreadnought

[pastel rampart]

That chaos dread fucks, I love how grody it is.

[raven meteor]

Brother looks like a 90s toy with a trigger on the back to shoot green slime

[broken dew]

real

this motherfucker has a proper gun

not entirely certain what the pipe is supposed to do

[desert jay]

Power cable or something?

[broken dew]

i guess?

feels a bit weird for an autocannon to be battery powered

[floral herald]

That is technically the defining feature of an autocannon tbf

[pastel rampart]

After 10,000 years of using the same goddamn gun because your supply line is fucked you start getting creative on having that thing working, and if a power cable does the job then hey.

[floral herald]

Wait nvm im thinking of the term chain gun

[broken dew]

i guess i'm kinda used to guns being mechanical, idk what part would particularly need a battery pack to work

makes me think of a fucking uh, nerf flywheel gun

imperium still using springers cause they're more robust and easier to make

[raven meteor]

My understanding IS that a lot, though not a majority, of Big Guns do have an electric motor to drive some of their operation

[desert jay]

Some guns just have electric feed systems instead of about with gas tubes and springs and shit, yeah

[floral herald]

Yeah

It’s especially common for bigger cannons

[sour sequoia]

Defilers are as big as the monolith they’re wacky daemon engine switch hitter superheavies ostensibly

[desert jay]

And because vehicles have the power for electric systems anyway

[broken dew]

fair enough

i suppose the uh

big power cable is

kinda comical

but if it serves a purpose it serves a purpsose

[desert jay]

There can also be other reasons for power draw, but I doubt 90s GW had electrothermal-chemical guns in mind

[broken dew]

i doubt it

[misty violet]

GWAR Sorcerer kicks ass, I wish they would just do an updated version of him at some point

[pastel rampart]

I guess the big difference is that CSM have reaper autocannons which notably have a greater rate of fire so maybe the power cable is assisting with that.

[broken dew]

yeah that would make sense

[pastel rampart]

...although checking the 2e CSM book, power armored chaos marines could only take autocannons. Reapers were terminator-only until 3rd.

So uh, lol, lmao?

[broken dew]

big man just has a cable on his gun i guess

[pastel rampart]

Extra juice to make the bullet go faster or something.

[desert jay]

A rough summary of how ETC guns work XD

Also note that ETC guns aren't just scifi tech, US DOD put an experimental one in a tank prototype back in the early 90s

[pastel rampart]

https://www.warhammer.com/app/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99120102093_CSMTerminatorLord02.jpg?fm=webp&w=600&h=619

Sorcerer lord head is pretty close!

[sour sequoia]

God I love that sculpt still

[reef pagoda]

grrr i wish the default sorcerer blister had head options, i tried shoving in 2 slaanesh heads but it didnt want to go in and i didnt have any green stuff to fill in the gaps

[remote wharf]

Still shocked it's from 4th.

[desert jay]

The 4e chaos termies also look pretty great IMO

[broken dew]

damn

they cooked

[sonic hare]

How does this look for a cursed legion list? I am thinking maybe replace some warriors with flayed ones for more deep strike / infiltration

[sour sequoia]

I think you skip the warrior brick in destroyers tbh

if you want big brick stand on point, overlord with destroyer enhancement + 10 sword and board lychguard fuckin krumps

[sonic hare]

not even one brick?

I should look into lychguard though

[past sphinx]

i have put the energy into the world

and it manifested

it might as well be canon now

[floral herald]

lmfao

[stark cypress]

Guardsman: I don't know...That lizard is giving me thoughts.

Commissar: Chainsword rev

Guardsman: And by thoughts! I mean death to the enemy!

[past sphinx]

its going well

[wide veldt]

so are eldar wraiths like

unplayably bad or just kinda meh

[rocky shale]

Casually fine

Entirely non competitive

Outside of the wraith detachment you should basically never run the guard/blades

Lords are okish in the psyker detschment

The knight is a goofy pick anywhere you put it

[thin ibex]

end of the day, they have big fucking guns and decent melee weapons

they're slow and have eh stats without psykers nearby

they're also tough, they're one of the few units in the eldar roster that you can kind of expect to be able to handle some heat

i think regular guard and axe blades can see some play in casuals, the issue is how easy it is for the guard to get caught up in melee and unable to shoot

though D scythes are scary overwatch iirc

in a game where you can expect a decent volume of movement mistakes to get made though, they can probably pay off some of the time

[wide veldt]

alos

made apsect host enhancements are for the generic guys

*mad

and not the actual leaders of the aspects lmao

[thin ibex]

well the autarch is a guy who walked many of the aspect paths but didn't stick to any

but yeah

[wide veldt]

I KNEW THE TAU HAD THEM

THEY HAVE A MODEL NOW GIVE HTEM

[floral herald]

No they only support the greater bad now

[wide veldt]

fuuuuuuuuuck

[desert jay]

Technically not auxillaries though

[wide veldt]

avatar of kaine, now thas a statblock

that boy is chunkers

[atomic apex]

if you mean the Phoenix Lords, they can't take enhancements anyway
since they're Epic Heroes

[thin ibex]

avatar is a great beatstick

i think he's actually up there in terms of just general purpose real strong stat sticks

he just doesn't like... do a lot else

[desert jay]

I was gonna compare him to Angron but Angron actually has some decent army buffs in there too

So congrats, Avatar of Khaine, for being more of a single-minded violence machine than Angron is

[wide veldt]

lol

lmnao

amyway made an aspect warrior list

pros: lots of horshit tokens and buffs, answer to every situation

cons: anti infantry beats my entire ass

[rocky shale]

Everything wounds you on 3 anyways

You're elves

Anti infantry is irrelevant

[atomic apex]

Aspect Host did seem neat though, yeah

[rocky shale]

It's good

[wide veldt]

true

Tbh Kaine is there to take my damag

[thin ibex]

Iirc khaine can rock up on pretty much anything in the game and do pretty good. Ofc still folds to a bad play or getting out positioned

[quaint compass]

When the big toys are smashed together it becomes rocket tag

[cinder wraith]

had a custom army idea based off of doctor who

a fallen dark angels chapter that fell for nurgle but during their battle for supremacy against a thousand sons warband they were cursed by tzeentch and turned into stone, to be able to move they must be out of sight.

they are called the weeping angels

this is a deathguard army however. the rule is mainly for flavoring their "surprise attacks"

-1 to hit? they are stone
-1 save? the enemy isnt aware the statues are alive
worsening leadership, move and oc? they are in despair and panic

[past sphinx]

gotta give it to the Dog soldiers, they serve chaos they just fucking hate the imperium

[tired cairn]

(is a negative missing there?)

[rare turtle]

work on Abbadon Death guard convertion

i plan to add a nurgling dangling frome the skull rack

[sour sequoia]

Yessss

This fuckin rips

[wide veldt]

Oh

Aspect warriors thing

The shining spears seem real good

[thin ibex]

theyre strong but hella fragile, they'll almost always die on their go turn

[past sphinx]

ive never seen shining spears work

they just get smashed to fuck

[wide veldt]

Also

Question

What are legends/where do the rules come from?

I get that they’re stuff that isn’t legal anymore

But I don’t why they have rules still lol

[valid brook]

It’s tough when you’ve had models for years and then all of a sudden they’re Not In The Game Anymore

That’s Legends in a nutshell

[past sphinx]

because comp is for suckers

and cool stuff isnt for suckers

[wide veldt]

Okay so they’re stuff that like… isn’t legal but still has rules

[past sphinx]

so they make non sucker rules for cools

[wide veldt]

Where do these rules come from

[past sphinx]

GW

[wide veldt]

Like what are they in

[past sphinx]

GW's website

[wide veldt]

Are they in codices?

Ohh

Thank u

Also I’ve noticed sometimes they’re characters like Creed who are fucking dead

Which makes sense

[floral herald]

Legends are basically older models which GW is no longer actively balancing but still have a lot of models out there and still sorta legal

[wide veldt]

(Original creed)

[past sphinx]

and many times still actively selling

[floral herald]

It's an echo of the old system where forge world stuff needed opponent's permission kinda

[past sphinx]

like dreads from 30k or tanks from 30k or just forgeworld guard stuff

[wide veldt]

Mhmhm

So like

Howwwww unbalanced

[past sphinx]

mostly just overcosted

[floral herald]

It depends

Yeah most of them are anodyne but moderately overcosted

[past sphinx]

if you play chaos getting access to the bigger dreads or relic dreads can be very impactful depending on the list so that could be considered imbalanced

[thin ibex]

I've had spears one round a land raider before

[wide veldt]

Had to look up the meaning of anodyne lmao

Shining spears mostly seem useful for like

Seeing someone do a positioning mistake

And lunging for it

[floral herald]

Shining spears are basically an important model seeking missile and win when they kill 2x their value in points and immediately die

[past sphinx]

if the hunter killer missile was a unit

[wide veldt]

Which is a really funny thing to be in an elf army

The Path of Killing Yourself

Sidenote: surprised sly marbo, of all fucking people, isn’t legends

Old ass model, old ass character, weird ass character

Still in the rules edition after edition

[thin ibex]

He's enough of a iconic that he sticks around, more so than straken and harker

[vital barn]

Fire Dragons are also the Path of the Good Trade

Must be a short training period

[thin ibex]

I do think it's pretty hard to stop Spears from going somewhere

[rocky shale]

Spears currently don't see play because they're a one use missile but more often than not they'll fail to get their points worth in value from the thing they kill

The 60mm bases make them tough to maneuver even if they can hop buildings

[sour sequoia]

Pretty much every eldar unit is a scalpel and one use rocket but the 32mm/25mm infantry guys can usually obliterate a threat and then hide from what hurts them

Shining Spears are muuuuuch harder to hide

[rocky shale]

Fire dragons do anti-tank missile better unfortunately

[sour sequoia]

Eldar jetbike units are all pretty good though tbh, windrider host is a crazy detach if you’re willing to be a specialist freak

[rocky shale]

They all have assault and reroll everything

[jaunty dawn]

Cavalry not working in city fight 😔

[sour sequoia]

Honestly god bless fire dragons for putting down knights like dogs all summer

Who the fuck is canis rex taste the god particle mon’keigh

[wide veldt]

Also me looking at IGs legends and being sad because I’m looking at heavy mortars

Return to me artillery guard

I summon thee

[rocky shale]

Spears are cheaper than dragons now but they're still not going to see play because it's basically impossible to hide 6 spears (and they don't get rerolls)

[wide veldt]

Yeah it is kinda fucked they don’t get aspect tokens

[rocky shale]

That's not the rerolls

Fire dragons RR hits, wounds, and damage into monsters and vehicles

As a datasheet rule

[wide veldt]

Oh those yeah

[sonic hare]

2W on a 4T 3+/5+ model that costs 33.3 points per model is very rough

[junior summit]

field ordnance batteries and mortar weapons teams not enough?

[wide veldt]

No >:(

I have greed

[junior summit]

plus basilisks and manticores

[wide veldt]

Loller u don’t understand

U don’t get it

I need more

:p

Looks forlornly at 7e
I just want her back….
Strokes my picture of templates

Idk what I’m going on about btw the current stuff is fine

I mean I do want templates back but beyond that

[desert jay]

You could find old rules and play with those if you find another likeminded person

IDK what the last edition with blast templates was

[jaunty dawn]

7th

[past sphinx]

7th edition should be studied like an exotic bug

[wide veldt]

7th because 8e was the start of the more modern design era

Which is what led to the HH split around 9 iirc

[floral herald]

It's older

[desert jay]

Nah, 30k used to be played with the same rules as 40k, when 8e happened they dropped Horus Heresy 1e later that year

[floral herald]

Horus Heresy 1e is from 2012 iirc, which is late 5e or 6e

But yeah it used the 40k core books originally just with a bunch of weird changes

[desert jay]

The Horus Heresy: Age of Darkness in Dec 2017 was the first time it was its own game instead of an expansion

[wide veldt]

Ohhh

[upper canopy]

He got a model in like late 9th though

[wide veldt]

What

[upper canopy]

Yeah

I know this because there's a non-zero chance I did that

[wide veldt]

Okay first: I swore he was a guy before that
Second: THAT MODEL IS FROM 9TH

[upper canopy]

He was a guy before that yes

but he got a new model

[wide veldt]

Oh he has a new one

Okay

[rose hill]

https://i.redd.it/iq2l646yp2eg1.png

Someone needs to check PC gamer hq for some 8 pointed stars

[sour sequoia]

Not only that but he’s Finecast

[wide veldt]

They were doing fine cast even that short of a time ago?

[sour sequoia]

I think he's the last one

They've already mentioned the horussy angron is like their last resin ever

[raven meteor]

Played my second match of 40k today
Lost, but to be expected because tis time I was playing wit someone very experienced
Still ad fun!
I did well in the fighting but objective play wasn't sufficient

[pastel rampart]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tyranids/ Incredible things are happening on the Tyranid subreddit.