Warhammer and Such

[jaunty dawn]

Hopefully

[rocky shale]

It took them half of 10th to learn how to write a codex properly

[jaunty dawn]

Was there a new faction added in 10th

[desert jay]

Wait Emily if you haven't seen the Ironkin Steeljacks you need to look them up

[rocky shale]

EC and agents sorta

[jaunty dawn]

Apart from empchilds

[rocky shale]

Agents is technically new?

[desert jay]

Agents... sorta?

[jaunty dawn]

Agents is new

Though not a new range

[wide veldt]

Are Votann 9?

[rocky shale]

It has existed similarly in the past

[thin ibex]

I think the issue with ynnari is that it kind of needs you to connect all 3 aeldari types

[rocky shale]

But it's also kinda new

[jaunty dawn]

I guess they figured out that if they keep adding new factions theyll never be able to go back and expand those factions

[rocky shale]

Ynnari doesn't really do anything for clowns in 10th

[wide veldt]

Oh hey speaking of clowns I have a lore question

[jaunty dawn]

So instead do like faction release sized things like kroot and death korps

[wide veldt]

Do they like…. Have any…. Overarching goals or like

[desert jay]

Because Agents did have an index army list, and also this technically existed in 9e

[wide veldt]

Are they just… doing clown stuff

And that’s it

[rocky shale]

They have the black library

[thin ibex]

there are also no unique ynnari units except for the named characters

[jaunty dawn]

Pretty much

[rocky shale]

And very esoteric goals

[thin ibex]

so lore wise they're their own faction, game wise, they're effectively just a detachment

[jaunty dawn]

But like defending the black library and just intervening in mysterious affairs

[wide veldt]

Okay so they’re tzeentch

[jaunty dawn]

Ynnari should get multiple detachments and also be able to be ran without the leaders present

[wide veldt]

In that they’re doing random bullshit and the writers can claim it’s just like

The ineffeable ultimately plan

?

[thin ibex]

back in the day the harlequins are built out to be effectively the broad equivalent of a custodes in terms of engimatic nature and skill/danger

[jaunty dawn]

They also just defend eldar generally

Theyre like

[thin ibex]

they have their souls protected by the laughing god

[jaunty dawn]

The eldar inqusition almost

Or something

[wide veldt]

Man 40k is so much

[jaunty dawn]

Intelligence service by way of being in the cult of the clown

So they do that stuff

And also they just have a duty to put on performances at craftworlds and maiden worlds n stuff

[wide veldt]

I think I know a good amount but then there’s entire factions I have no fucking clue about

[jaunty dawn]

Oh wait 10e not only doesnt have a new/returning faction its actually a net shrink right

Or

I guess agents more replaces deathwatch than deathwatch going

And deamons right thats what I was thinking of

So net neutral

[pale narwhal]

Deathwatch kinda barely still exists

[jaunty dawn]

Im excited abt the new tau

Yeah its still playable so its kinda semantics

N you can play daemons and mono harlequins too

[raven meteor]

New Tau? 👁️

[jaunty dawn]

Kinda old news

But theyre so coool

[raven meteor]

Yoooooo
Very neat!

[rocky shale]

The new harlequin detachment is actually great

[jaunty dawn]

Thats good to hear!

[wide veldt]

YOOO IS THAT A FLAMER BATTLESUIT

[pale narwhal]

Ion and fusion

[floral herald]

I think one of them is a super plasma gun and the other a super melta gun

[pale narwhal]

The flames are being held back by their shields

[raven meteor]

I know tere's already a melta battlesuit squad in 10e

[jaunty dawn]

Flamer crisis suits are really good atm I think

Cause flamer overwatch and nice unit rule

[raven meteor]

I do like the visuals of Tau but also like melee 😔
Farsight and melta battlesuits seems cool AF tho

[jaunty dawn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tau40K/comments/cj9xvd/my_xv8_flamer_suit/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[wide veldt]

This is what they made Kroot for

[thin ibex]

yeah im on the "i dont want melee crisis suits' camp

[raven meteor]

This is true, but consider
The visuals of Tau is 'big mechs' not 'admittedly also cool bird aliens'
But also that wasn't me saying Tau should have melee units, I understand their niche and would be annoyed if it got diluted

[jaunty dawn]

Kroot are actually good at melee now

Or more accurately krootox are

The kroot are just along for the ride

[raven meteor]

Close-in gunfighting is also cool and aiui Tau are actually terrifyingly good at that too alongside sniping

[jaunty dawn]

But idk I think a fusion blade suit squad would be fine

[thin ibex]

honestly close in shooting is much more in tau's brand these days

[raven meteor]

I have heard much ado about breachers

[jaunty dawn]

Though in kill team tau are actually annoyingly good in melee cause they have a strat to just shoot you 😭

With their better than average guns

[raven meteor]

lmaooooooooooo
The john wick strategy to melee

[wide veldt]

Honestly based

That rocks

[raven meteor]

(Related to this: Man I'm excited to make a sisters shooty army)

[wide veldt]

Give them that in normal 40k

[jaunty dawn]

Idk between like ftgg and jump pack infantry n stuff tau usually have something going on in the assault phase

Just not typical stuff

And fusion blades was kinda that too

[raven meteor]

To be fair, their battlesuits DO get that
Cuz vehicles still get to shoot in melee

[jaunty dawn]

Like it was just more melta shots from a closer than average disrance

[charred bridge]

Farsight definitely gunkatas

Sees a chaos daemon and just runs away it shooting the pistol while the demon runs around you throwing warp stuff

[wide veldt]

Sees a chaos demon and says “you look like my sword that’s weird”

[raven meteor]

Rolling up with the mech-scale plasma rifle like

[jaunty dawn]

I think making it a farsight enclaves exclusive unit would be a good way to split the difference and also bring back the subfaction actually existing without taking farsight

[wide veldt]

Did that whole thing w farsights sword ever get resolved btw

[raven meteor]

(I just beat Space Marine 2 woaw what a good game)

[raven meteor]

He still has it, afaik it's less of a 'plot beat that will get resolved' and more 'huh that's...... unfortunate'

[wide veldt]

Fair enough lol

[raven meteor]

I don't think it's corrupting him or anything, just uh
Preternaturally extending his lifespan

[desert jay]

He can have a little corruption, as a treat

[jaunty dawn]

Apparently farsight was briefly gripped by khorne and became a giant battlesuit bloodthirster and he was like this sucks actually Im not gonna lose myself and my army to war for its own sake Im gonna do a tactical retreat

[raven meteor]

Yo??????????

[wide veldt]

So fucking based he got corrupted and then just went “actually nah”

[raven meteor]

Also while we are talking close range gunfighting
I still marvel at this................
This really is Space Marines and SoB in a nutshell.........

[wide veldt]

Good lord what is happening in there

[raven meteor]

Literally just
'the same ability but numerically worse'

[jaunty dawn]

Also apparently the planet he got the sword from is now healing since he rejected the corruption

Cause this happened on the same planet

[raven meteor]

Also space marines are tougher
And have the same number of models per unit
I do love miracle dice though so it's not like they have nothing to their name

[desert jay]

But also wasn't Bringers of Flame one of the strongest SOB detachments until nerfs happened? Strong enough to push its WR over any SM detach?

Ah found it, right. It released at +1 Strength in 12" just like Firestorm

[wide veldt]

Oh my god I’m trying to find it on the wiki holy SHIT Farsight has so much lore

My god

Bros got a book about his first steps at this point fuck me

[desert jay]

Yeah he's a character that goes back to Tau's launch in 3e

[past sphinx]

i have smothered a dark angels list, i wasnt pretty but damn the Rock detactment is a motherfucker

congrats you are minus 1 to wound

Lion boy is a MONSTER

[wide veldt]

I mean I’m not complaining I love farsight

[raven meteor]

On that note, last I heard Farsight's sword wasn't warp-related but more like
C'tan-adjacent 'aeons old aliens did freaky shit' tech
The term 'chronophagic alloy' is used

[wide veldt]

Especially since the more dumb shit they add to make the ethereals evil the more I can ignore it by playing farsight

[wide veldt]

Jesus that puts it closer to like

A fucking halo device

[raven meteor]

Using technological means to literally absorb the lifespan of those you kill
An extremely routine feature for all infantry swords in the year -45000000000000000000000000000000000,

[charred bridge]

Farsight trying to banish a Daemon and his sword is just catching up with the daemon being banished

[wide veldt]

Speaking of Halo Devices

Love that shit

I love that they basically exclusively exist as like…… light flavor text in the RT games

And abjectly horrifying

[viral crest]

I think it's non-Chaos xenos warptech?

Also didn't he find it like, sealed away on an altar in the ruins of a temple or something

[raven meteor]

It was in the hands of a statue!

[charred bridge]

If it's somehow a c'tan shard that's probably worse than chaos

[wide veldt]

It’s so fucking funny like

[charred bridge]

For the Tau at least, finding a material God for the tech race much less advanced than Necrons

Imagine though if farsight's sword was like, related to the Deceiver

[wide veldt]

Finding a random warp shrine on a dead world in Rogue Trader and the Ordos xenos inky is like

HEY MAN

MAYBE WE SHOULDNT YEAH?

[raven meteor]

In my head I kind of put the Dawn Blade in the same camp as like
Deathwatch Xenophase Blades
'We ganked this tech from a deeply obscure and long extinct alien species'

[charred bridge]

Playing Rogue Trader and touching a monolith and suddenly a bunch of Necrons ambush me and kill like 2 members immediately

Gauss weapons aren't a joke

[wide veldt]

I’m so hype to fight them

[viral crest]

Aren't Xenophase blades Necron tech?

[raven meteor]

Either them or the C'tan yeah
Compare this
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/C'tan_Phase_Weapon

[wide veldt]

Man

It’s so funny to see characters IN the Warhammer universe be like

Completely uniformed

*uninformed

Like fucking

Walks up to a giant altar with the symbol of tzeentch

Mmmm I think this is chaos related but idk

[raven meteor]

Rahhhhh I hope the Sisters are cool in 11th
They're so cool...........

[wide veldt]

Already OC idea is this anything
Eldar outcast who sees the potential in Humanity to surpass what the Eldar once were and is trying to nudge them in the right direction

[thin ibex]

I think they're pretty cool in 10th tbh

[wide veldt]

Also: is a huge doomer about the eldar themselves lmao

[raven meteor]

Oh def
That was not an exclusionary statement
I am enjoyin buildin armies with tem and my small amount of time playin said armies
Even if they do feel a little Weird

Sometimes

[charred bridge]

Old One helped uplift us Eldar
Eldar should help uplift humans since they're the only ones able and willing to end slaanesh

[wide veldt]

[charred bridge]

Imagine the irony if the Laughing God's plan to end Slaanesh is to like make emps a Chao god to beat up the princes

[wide veldt]

And then the humans should uplift uhhhh

Those Drukhari snake guys

I saw one of those in RT yesterday

Scared the shit out of me

“Alright normal dark elf stuff AH FUCK SNAKE GUY”

[wide veldt]

Also the idea of an eldar encouraging the fanatic worship of the emperor cause it hastens his birth as a god

Haha babe ur god emperor is so cool

[raven meteor]

(Why do they have the same amount of models as Space Marines, but the models are weaker)
(Even though they have equally powerful or less powerful weapons than SM)
(Why do they not have str 12 anti tank weapons like most other factions and need to rely on pushing melta shots through)
(Stuff like that)

[rocky shale]

I dont know how many aeldari think that humans are really helping the whole chaos situation

The ynnari are kinda the master plan to kill slaanesh

[wide veldt]

Was talking in the context of the character idea I brought up

[rocky shale]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhh

[thin ibex]

At least to answer the last one, it's because they have a way to guarantee 6's on melta shots

[charred bridge]

That's why it would be the ultimate joke for the Laughing God, that in the end it isn't the Eldar that ends Slaanesh and save the Eldar it's the Monkeigh

The final joke being the one on the entire Eldar, subverting their expectations that the new Eldar God created would do trap Slaanesh

[rocky shale]

The ultimate joke is already that the plan is to collect a bunch of mcguffins which is the easiest possible plot to derail

[rocky shale]

1. battle sisters are 10.5 points per model, intercessors are 16 (so they arent cheaper)
2. sisters pack a lot of special weapons
3. miracle dice lets gooooooooooo
   3.5. also pen engines have S10 twin linked, nundams have S12 melee and +1 to wound and hit vehicles, etc.

[junior summit]

they have a pretty direct line to cegorach and he tells them to do things

[junior summit]

Yeah the ssylth can be a pretty scary spike because they're so tanky

[paper bluff]

Always tremendously funny that one time a assassin armed with one of those was meant to take out a planetary governor but then when she stabbed the governor it turned out it was the deceiver shard in transformed So the blade just started sinking into its necrodermis

[paper bluff]

There was an AU where the emperor purposely teamed up with eldrad to become a "good" chaos. God to free the eldar souls from slaanesh iirc

[sour sequoia]

Run 9 kroot rampagers

I am not fucking joking run 9 rampagers

Say some world eaters player is dissin on ya fly girl. Just hit em wit one of these.

[vital barn]

oh hey it's Horus Heresy daemon brutes but with even bigger charge bonuses

much like rampagers you ally in 9 of those and watch as they remove overzealous melee squads

[sour sequoia]

Go check out Aux Cadre detach for some of the funniest Bullshit you can do

[vital barn]

I have wondered if the best way to run my 30k mechanicum in 40k would be counts-as them as Tau, just because Thallax are so battlesuit-shaped

[sour sequoia]

End of turn Full Move Activation is an absurd stratagem

[vital barn]

they even come in melta, plasma and S5 dakka varieties

and have Thanatars and Casties for riptides/broadsides

[raven meteor]

I said earlier that I'm aware of Krootoxes, but by 'visuals of Tau' I meant the core crisis battlesuits and such
The Kroot are a Part Of The Tau Faction but have their own visual direction you know
(And I also said that I don't actually mind Tau not having any melee, it just disinclines me to play them)

[vital barn]

honestly surprisingly close

at least within the "give the thanatar a nice big cork base" range

[pale narwhal]

If they weren’t so expensive money wise I’d almost certainly run them tbh. Such a fun unit

[sour sequoia]

90% of people’s problems with tau in current game state is actually “I’m too lame to run rampagers”

[rocky shale]

I just remembered the skathach wraithknight exists

490pt model with an uppy downy and deep strike my beloved

Banished to legends

[thin ibex]

I like running one pack of 6 rampagers on aux

For the extreme threat range

[wide veldt]

oh god should i build more hypothetical armies i absolutely wont actuallly buy or play

[mental birch]

I am a battlesuit pilot it's like the fighter mafia but tau

[tranquil ivy]

"Erm, your model doesnt have that gun, it cant use it"

Fuck you, Eradicator Sergeant

[raven meteor]

Just get TTS and pay zero dimes for your 'models' :3

[wide veldt]

Oh for sure that’s the call

Does TTS have a lot of model variety?

[rocky shale]

Depends on how much people like your faction

Elves have dawn of war model rips

sisters have like shitty 3d scans

[mental birch]

don't sisters have DOW?

[rocky shale]

dow 2+

[mental birch]

ahh

[rocky shale]

theyre all perfectly usable

[raven meteor]

All the factions are represented, in force org if nowhere else (get forceorg it's vital for 40k TTS)
How comprehensive it is varies
You can find weird chapters like the carcharodons for space marines but for SoB I've only found martyred lady and Bloody Rose models
Id really like to have an argent shroud army but ah well

[wide veldt]

[little bay]

phases in between dimensions

[tepid stratus]

I just recently finished elemental council and spoilers: ||there's a great scene of the callidus antagonist getting their gauntlet broken in a fight and the liquid metal turns into a bunch of worms and crawls away from her trying to escape||

[dense sedge]

Man drukhari need a refresh

[charred bridge]

Wdym they got shadowheart /s

[floral herald]

I agree

I think sometimes people pull out refreshes too easily but like 20% of their historic range is gone into finecast hell and a lot of the rest is sculpts from 5e

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah

Mandrakes help but

[floral herald]

And there’s so many units they’ve lost from range contraction

Ok it’s like 3 off the top of my head

Trueborn, Bloodbrides, Court

[desert jay]

Trueborn didn't have unique models, TBF

[floral herald]

But they were very distinct units!

Albeit I kinda hated how they worked

[desert jay]

I'm not sure if Bloodbrides did either

[floral herald]

Since you needed a lot of warriors to make them normally

Bloodbrides were just a paint job iirc

They also kind of sucked

But Trueborn were a big deal

[tired cairn]

"GW, please don't give us less equipment in the kit than the unit can take"
"Your wish is granted"
<crying> "Not like this. Not like this"

[desert jay]

Grotesques are also a big one, they were a popular unit that went to Legends this year

Reaper, Tantalus, and Raven are also legends now but are old FW units

[floral herald]

Oh man I forgot about the Tantalus

And reaper I guess

But I’m not sure I was ever familiar with it

[tired cairn]

They were kind of needed for an all Humunculi coven faction right?

[floral herald]

For unit variety for sure

I think wracks are ok?

Grots were iirc important as objective holders

[tired cairn]

(why is it wych cult and not wych covens lol)

[tired cairn]

Yes. But that's orka :V

[floral herald]

I was wrong grots are melee dick kickers

[desert jay]

Yeah unless you count vehicles, but also Wyches and Warriors are in the same boat, they don't have enough to fill out an all-infantry list

[rocky shale]

I'm pretty sure you can't even field 2k of covens units now

[jaunty dawn]

The most necessary refresh is

Uh

[rocky shale]

Pretty sure you can for the other 2 subfactions

[jaunty dawn]

Honestly orks could do with one that isnt terrible but

[tired cairn]

Orks need a less stupid refreshed boyz box

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah

[tired cairn]

GW knows this which is probably why they still sell the old one lol

[floral herald]

I think in terms of refresh need it’s probably Drukhari or Grey Knights

Both of which are basically living off of 5e refreshes

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah

But grey knights is unpopular cause theyre space marines

[desert jay]

Correct. Covens currently comes out to 1800 pts if you get the max each of Haemonculi, Wracks, Cronos, and Talos

[pale narwhal]

Drukhari v grey knights boxset refresh

[tired cairn]

Drulhari probably need it more. But Grey Knights make it really obvious now that so much of the other space marine stuff is primarisified or the chaos equivalent

[jaunty dawn]

Catachan would need a refresh but theyre just being consumed by the death korps instead

[tired cairn]

They might get a turn

[floral herald]

Yeesh, GK legit haven’t gotten a non-character model since the 5e refresh

[jaunty dawn]

Like its hard to argue for one for a faction that has a few releases of that size

[floral herald]

(They have gotten 3 models since then total)

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah even this edition they just got an upgrade sprue

[tired cairn]

I hope you want to rebuy the baby carrier model for the new stuff!

[jaunty dawn]

Oh

Daemons

Are pretty old

[desert jay]

Wych Cult comes out to 1600 pts if you max out on Succubi, Wyches, Hellions, and Reavers. 1685 with Lelith

[jaunty dawn]

And from an awkward period

[floral herald]

Oh true yeah

I really hope going forward they split off the fantasy and 40K demons

I want fucked up gun daemons

[jaunty dawn]

Theyve gotten some big releases but like exclusively from aos haha

[floral herald]

Give me a kind of bloodletter with a chainsaw grip lmg which shoots swords

[tired cairn]

There was some weird internal politics stuff around daemons iirc

But having separate ranges might fix that idk

[jaunty dawn]

Fulda rift gives demons guns

Weird bad guns

[floral herald]

AoS chaos rules

[desert jay]

And then Warrior Kabal comes out to 1735 pts if you max out on Malys, Archons, Kabalites, Hands of the Archon, and Ravagers

[floral herald]

I’d have so much chaos shit if I had enough time and money to really do AoS

I just have some vampires I got on sale

[desert jay]

So Haemonculi Covens are currently still the best off of the three big Drukhari subfactions

[tired cairn]

Hmm, maybe transports were more popular in the other subfactions than in Coven?

Like, you are going to want at least the transports for cults and Kabalites, but maybe not for coven?

[rocky shale]

Ohhh wild. Looks like the covens diehards are just complaining lmao

I mean they do still want grotesques which is fair

[desert jay]

And the thing is that the 2k list was doable in 9e and index 10e

[rocky shale]

Basically all drukhari wants transports

[tired cairn]

Does the Coven stuff fit in them?

[rocky shale]

Wracks do

[desert jay]

So if you had one of these lists, being told "hey, replace all your grotesques with a few hundred bucks in more models" is gonna sting, just like players of other factions losing something to legends

18 grotesques is 510 pts at the Legends price, IDK what they were through the index era

[runic swallow]

Oh man are grotesques bad now? I remember when they were nightmare blenders

[desert jay]

Grotesques are legends now

So irrelevant in the tourney scene

[tired cairn]

They also haven't been in stock for a very long time

[runic swallow]

Damn seriously?

[desert jay]

Yeah some stuff is just Not Sold anymore so it's gotta either go to legends or get another run off the old dies, or a refresh

[runic swallow]

Am I forgetting or mixing up what they are?

Because I recall them being one of the newer (ish) DE kits

[tired cairn]

You are probably thinking wracks? Which was a kill team recently

[runic swallow]

Okay never mind I am mixing it up with the Talos

[desert jay]

The Grotesques kit is from 2010 so... ish

[tired cairn]

Grotesques were still finecast

[runic swallow]

Yeah this is me mixing up what stuff was called

[desert jay]

Cronos and Talos are also from 2010

[runic swallow]

Damn

[tired cairn]

Talos are the big hunched over soul eaters right?

[runic swallow]

I’m getting old

[desert jay]

Talos

[runic swallow]

The floating, hunched dudes with hook chains and shit yeah

[pale narwhal]

Mandrakes are the KT

Wracks are a pretty old kit iirc

[tired cairn]

Oh whoops. Lmao

[desert jay]

Wracks are 2014!

[runic swallow]

Wracks still look pretty alright, most of the DE line still looks pretty good

[tired cairn]

40k elves had some pretty good sculpts that held up for awhile

[desert jay]

I'm pretty sure the current Wave Serpent/Falcon is a reboxing of a kit originally released in 1997-98

Same with the Vyper and the Fire Prism/Night Spinner kits

That's late 2nd edition

[rocky shale]

Prism/spinner is a upgrade sprue but a fair bit newer

Vyper, serpent, and falcon are ancient

[desert jay]

Prism and Falcon are the OG models, Spinner and Serpent are the 2010 upgrade sprues

But ye currently the upgrade sprues are included in the multi-build box

(IDK if they always were or not)

And then the support weapon batteries also have an old (2000) base model with a 2010 sprue for more gun options Disregrad that they actually got a full refresh in 2010

[tired cairn]

My brain doesn't like the fact that 2010 was 15 years ago

[rocky shale]

There is an older prism model with the huge crystal

Then the modern multi build with the spinner

The serpent and falcon were separate boxes until last year lol

[fossil violet]

Hey is there a 3rd party paint range that doesn’t name their skin tones something extremely racist

I feel like the times I’ve heard “citadel sucks buy these instead” I check out the other paints and I get a deeply troubling glimpse into someone’s worldview

[tired cairn]

Does Vallejo and Army Painter have this issue?

[past sphinx]

vallejo has like basic, dark, medium, light skin tone

[rocky shale]

What paint range has racist names?

My guess would be AK?

[tired cairn]

"basic skin tone" being a caucasian skin tone is a bit racist

[past sphinx]

sorry its those modifers attachted to "skin tone"

[fossil violet]

I should’ve noted which range it was but “elf flesh” is white and “barbarian flesh” is brown

[tepid stratus]

2 thin coats seems pretty good with their skin tones

[fossil violet]

I feel like I ran into this a different time but maybe it was just the same paints again lol

[tepid stratus]

The names are more D&D inspired, basically all being class/race names

[rocky shale]

Proacryl just has like "light skin tone"

[tired cairn]

I'm surprised both Vallejo and Army Painter have paints called "Barbarian Flesh" lol. I would agree that's not a great paint name

[past sphinx]

say some dumb bastard found a somewhat gross stormraven for like 50 bucks, anybody have any good products for stripping a bigass model?

[rocky shale]

Simplegreen

[tired cairn]

I found isopropyl alcohol worked the best for me

(in Canada)

[tepid stratus]

2 thin is also guilty of this but I'm more inclined to give them a pass when they've also got skin tones called druid, bard and paladin flesh

[rocky shale]

Ipa is pretty good too but harder to buy in bulk

[tired cairn]

I think that gets more sketchy? Having particular skin tones associated with a class doesn't seem great

(maybe I shouldn't be, but I'm pretty meh on elf flesh being white. Because elves are typically white in media?)

[fossil violet]

it feels loaded imo and plays into a lot of the worst impulses of fantasy and also the worst impulses of certain strains of wargamers

[tepid stratus]

They do admittedly break trend with their more olive tones having Greek inspired names: ares, chronos and Argonaut

[tired cairn]

The Vallejo model line for skin tones seems less bad fwiw. And the Army Painters warpaints line seems to avoid this problem completely?

[desert jay]

And it only has one food-name skin tone!

[tired cairn]

... is that a thing I should be worried about?

(chocolate being a common one I take it?)

Mocca and Dorado do break the stone based theme they otherwise have going on

(Amber is totally a stone don't think about it)

[desert jay]

I've known darker-skinned people complain about how romantic serenades/etc keep comparing their skin to foods all the time

[tired cairn]

Ah yeah, that's fair

[desert jay]

You also see it a lot in cosmetics

[runic swallow]

While you do also see it with white skin, with cream or milk being common comparisons, it’s a lot more common as far as I’ve seen for darker skin people to have food comparisons

[tired cairn]

What's fucked up about skin tones is that, in an absolute sense, they are all apparently pretty close to each other, but humans are unfortunately really good at telling them apart

[jaunty dawn]

These gem comparisons are just kinda weird lol

I can kinda see the angle on like half of them though

[wide veldt]

There should be a tau client race that’s…. A seal

[rocky shale]

Seal team 6

[wide veldt]

Elite strike force…..

https://tenor.com/view/seal-funny-seals-seal-funny-fun-animal-gif-17880262

[raven meteor]

40k naval warfare game when
Give me expensive and impossibly niche world eater battleship models GW

[pale narwhal]

Battlefleet Gothic existed

[raven meteor]

Yeah but I mean ACTUAL water
Drop a space marine u boat from orbit

[charred bridge]

But yes where's tabletop battlefleet Gothic

I'd want one of the Imperial naval units to be like a titan and it's not even amphibious it's just standing in shallow water shooting at ships.

[junior robin]

Happy new year, new army!

really tempted to get the starter and latest admech robot box to try and make my friends play 30k this year

[charred bridge]

I saw the necron sets at the board game shop and use all of my willpower to resist for my wallet's sake

If anything think about how a 3d printer would be cheaper than getting into 40k tabletop

No matter how cool ad mech look and how nice it'd be to have a giant Necron Seraptek

[rocky shale]

A 3d printer for minis is unfortunately a good bit of a hobby in itself

[junior robin]

but then you need to learn how a 3d printer work and have the space for it.

and isnt it cheaper to just make them out of paper?

[rocky shale]

It is cheaper in the long run but you do pay with time.

For printing

If you're gonna use paper (and your playgroup has no issues for that with TLOS games) then you aren't into the painting side of things

At which point tts is also a good option

[junior robin]

our group uses the theatre of the mind and imagine where our armies are on the battlefield

also don't you need to use one of those fancy resin printers to get good warhammer scale minis? 🤔

[rocky shale]

Like to avoid the "I don't want carcinogens and nasty goop" arguement against resin printers then you have to go with FDM, and FDM printing can do certain models really well, but it also takes a lot of fine tuning and print time, and just will never do certain things all that well.

Resin printers aren't all that expensive they're just messy and toxic and take up more space.

It would take me probably 2-3x the amount of time to print a FDM mini (assuming no pre-prepared file since that's rare) as it would to just build a normal kit even when ignoring the actual print duration and just talking about fussing with the settings and removing supports/postprocessing.

Even more for large squads of little dudes

And 80% of the time I'm still paying $20 or so for the file

[floral herald]

Resin printers are also annoying and intensive to clean

I’ve got a buddy with one and he says it’s pretty annoying

[rocky shale]

If you can work 2 hours of overtime at like not federal min wage it's probably a better economical move to just buy the GW kit than trying to FDM print it.

With exceptions for terrain

And some large vehicles/monsters

Terrain is generally ezpz, I have an entire set of FDM folding terrain

[soft willow]

Printing is itself a hobby on top of the other two of playing and assembling/painting.

[junior summit]

in fairness FDM printing does let you experience the wonder of using primer as filler

[rocky shale]

That helps for some stuff but not for if you're getting fine derail with a 0.2mm nozzle and 0.04mm layer height

[mental birch]

As a note for both kinds tou still need good ventilation

[rocky shale]

I like to huff PLA fumes

[stark cypress]

So, was checking GW's website because I wanted to get more Stirland mud.

And they now have a category for print on demand books.

https://tenor.com/view/cat-heavy-breathing-kitten-kitty-gif-16322838

Please let them bring back the older Guard novels

And also the Warhammer horror novels

[runic swallow]

That actually also very briefly existed

Well, not in 40k, but in Fantasy

[raven meteor]

That's much less surprising honestly

There's a whole pirate faction in fantasy is there not

[pastel rampart]

I'd love print-on-demand codexes and army books from old editions.

[runic swallow]

I’d honestly wonder if they still have the old print layouts based on how old some of those are and how long they’ve been out of print

Though I guess they could like, jankily scan an existing copy

[stark cypress]

I mean they, like any other company, should have an archive, right.

[runic swallow]

You’d think! You’d really hope! But not always!

[stark cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/what-surprised-gif-25739412

[runic swallow]

For example, the original code to most pre-2000 video games is just fucking gone because so many companies just deleted the files to save storage space and use for new stuff

[stark cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-jake-the-dog-it-hurts-hurt-painful-gif-16342245

[runic swallow]

Worse preservation rates than silent film!

[pastel rampart]

Well, they did a limited run of the old Lost and the Damned book, so they should still have them.

[tired cairn]

The old print layouts are also likely not on the same system at modern stuff, which also complicates things

[sour sequoia]

New year, new shitmen.

[pale narwhal]

love that green and brass

[sour sequoia]

Zhao-Arkad has got the drip

Mars dresses Bad

[thin ibex]

You know, mechanical aside, the Martian cowboy vibe is so sick

[past sphinx]

This man does NOT have a medical license

Their gonna draw this way the fuck out

[floral herald]

I’m slightly disappointed he’s a named character but I’m here for it

[broken dew]

courtesy of adric lmao

[junior robin]

if I picked them up I would do a headswap of huron and the guy on the ground

[jaunty dawn]

why is this guy injecting progenoids directly into his brain

[desert jay]

So he can think faster

[valid brook]

Medical expertise is stored in the progenoids

[past sphinx]

if thats one of the tall ironkin im gonna lose my shit

[still warren]

Yeah was gonna say that looks awfully votaan like

[past sphinx]

they made him 6 foot and it turned him evil

[still warren]

Also

The Red Corsairs are not the only piratical force abroad across the stars… we’re hearing that there might be even faster and pointier pirates about too, but you’ll have to wait a little longer for full news on that.

Druhkari refresh?

[past sphinx]

eldar corsairs likely

chaos eldar cant have nice things

[pastel rampart]

Chaos Eldar got like one line of lore, ever, and it's been decades.

[past sphinx]

what are drukhari if not chaos eldar

[main pagoda]

dark eldar :)

[past sphinx]

sure they dont worship slannesh but they might as well be CSM BUT POINTED EARS

[desert jay]

Refreshing the Drukhari boat kit so they get less free infantry models

[still warren]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/errixp3a/new-battleforce-boxes-pit-the-chaos-gods-against-each-other/

That mutalith is

[pastel rampart]

Wait, they get mutaliths now?

[main pagoda]

they've had em for a while

dont mind the WE one

what i wouldnt give for a bloodletter/bloodcrusher refresh

[pastel rampart]

I had no clue, honestly. But it makes sense, chaos and alla that.

Surprised WE don't get Slaughterbrutes.

[main pagoda]

they are AoS only now

[pastel rampart]

Very silly. If you're gonna toss in the Mutalith then give'em the other half of that sprue.

[main pagoda]

i think its never been in 40k

which is weird but i suppose bit of an overlap with maulerfiends

[desert jay]

World Eaters having some redundancy in melee options? Can’t have that

[upper bluff]

Apparently there was a leak that corroborates the idea this is drukharii not corsairs? I think the leak looks kinda fishy but new drukharii stuff would be cool

[floral herald]

The leak looks like corsairs to me

[upper bluff]

||Actually looking at the images those are absolutely corsairs||

[floral herald]

Yriel and some Corsairs which look a lot like old scourgers to me

[upper bluff]

New corsairs would be cool and correct me if I'm wrong but corsairs work with Drukharii right? So this would still be new models for them

[pastel rampart]

Corsairs work with a lot of races because they're basically space pirates.

[floral herald]

I’m guessing it’ll be Huron vs Yriel

To… steal something

[junior robin]

I mean there are another group who like speed and pointy bits and are pirates that we are forgetting about: ||ork freebooterz||

[floral herald]

https://preview.redd.it/looks-like-were-found-out-some-extra-rumor-engine-items-on-v0-f9zoyvo1ncag1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=4f6c6a8bab1f1b099986e9711c25df824735d1a9

I super think this is Yriel though

[junior robin]

yeah, he got the spear and 2 flags

[desert jay]

The leaks are in theory end-of-10th and not start-of-11th stuff, right?

[sour sequoia]

Yeah, this is the end-of-edition narrative Stuff

[jaunty dawn]

corsair head pack

eldar player who magnetises their models heads so they can be ynnari corsairs or craftworld

[thin ibex]

Playing space wolves into world eaters today, they're running mixed with demons, let's hope it goes well for me

[deft crest]

Pov you see me looking at the last beer in the fridge

[deft crest]

It's super depressing because you can see what could be when you look at the total Warhammer 3 models for blood letters and it's such a glow up

I 3D printed all of my blood letters based off of the models from that game and they look so much better

[deft crest]

WAIT NEW DOG MODEL?!

[past sphinx]

Gw loves a free dog in a kit

[jaunty dawn]

It might be more of an igor

but yeah it does look like the red corsairs have an ironkin buddy

[deft crest]

Man of Iron

Another one

[pale narwhal]

The arms on the far left guy looks like the rumor engines us tau players were hoping was a new kroot rampager character 😭

[sour sequoia]

Game is marines and spike marines you fool you imbecile you absolute clown 10,000 years of world eaters players saying they’re a very unique army and playstyle you can’t call em marines

(I am actually excited for some shit that isn’t Hey Kids We Brought Another Primarch Back Please Clap)

[past sphinx]

its very fucking funny to me the the lion returned

and Cypher didnt do shit

did fuck all

had his old mans sword since like THIRD EDITION

for SOME FUCKING REASON HE HAS NEVER DIVULGED

and when lion boy turns up he doesnt even turn up to give it back

[broken dew]

Cypher be like "time to be mysterious"

[sour sequoia]

If you stole your dad’s super cool car and he didn’t even notice would you give it back

[broken dew]

and do nothing

[sour sequoia]

Free car

[pale narwhal]

Honestly yeah tho. Nice to get more variety

[stark cypress]

Lion: Where is my sword?

Dark Angels: ...Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh. UT GOT LOST IN THE HERSEY! Yes, lost in the heresy!

Lion:

[broken dew]

i would simply blame everything on Cipher

[stark cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-cat-gif-8545724115880217315

[desert jay]

Cipher did break Guilliman out of jail and… I think did something else recently?

[past sphinx]

he asked to go to see the emperor iirc

he was denied

[desert jay]

Damn they should’ve let him

Would’ve been really funny

[stark cypress]

I wish I could get more Warhammer books.

but the GW store is two county's away and driving on highways that could lead to a toll road is a nightmare.

I had to make a u-turn one time because some idiot screwed up the signal lights and made an orderly stop light into a four-way nightmare.

[vital barn]

the funny thing is that if you look at the Lion's HH3e stats he has the option of the Lion Sword, which is an absolutely godly melee weapon even by Primarch standards, or the Wolf Blade, which is genuinely completely useless

so if he hadn't summoned a brand new excalibur out of nowhere in his new novel he would have been stuck with an AP3 chainsword

[desert jay]

The Space Marine armory does also have like normal power swords

[stark cypress]

And then some times, you have just a regular sword.

[desert jay]

I bet it a Primarch gets two of the gladius style ones he could swing them like daggers

[stark cypress]

Made for a space marine

[raven meteor]

(reiver combat knives my beloved)

[jaunty dawn]

Reivers are funny cause they were like knife melee unit and then they added a gun unit that just incidentally has 100% more Knife

And theyre not even a knife unit theyre night vision goggles unit

[charred bridge]

Should have done what Jaq Draco did and just snuck up into the throne room of the emperor and talk directly to the Emperor

Emp's even read his entire mind which would include banging like assassin girlfriend and one of his retinue actually deflating a cow-like slaaneshi cultist by removing the cow rings on her body to get information out of her and the emp's was like, nice no noted I like the cut of your jib, your plan is perfect and has my official approval

Early 40k books were wild when lore wasn't as established

And some random human had dreadnought armor

And did surgery and danced in it

[past sphinx]

levels of based i cannot begin to fathom

also love the dude on the base is still kicking

dudes getting his shit stolen

[charred bridge]

And it was like actually Emp's because Emp's Ig psychically told everyone to let Jaq just walk out of the throne room unshot a

And he just walked out and no one even bat an eye

[past sphinx]

i believe it

look at him

[charred bridge]

I will say Inquisition Wars, is not based overall it has so many yikes things even for 40k

[past sphinx]

a remarkable amount even

its 40ks own biblical apocrypha

[jaunty dawn]

the fact that its a red corsair too

[broken dew]

the one that always sticks out in my mind is just the fucking uh

[charred bridge]

Like the weird plot where he has a plan to bring back his gf's soul but into a still living woman's body but it's "OK" the woman was so harrowed by her experience with slaaneshi daemons she just wants to die and willing to go with it cause why not. And once his gf was brought back she used her assassin powers to just reshape her body into her previous body because sure why not that can be how it works. Ian Watson even revealed in an Interview he found a sticky note saying basically gf pregnant from the only sex she had with Jaq in a previous book despite her being in an entire new woman's body?!

[broken dew]

assassin who can only turn into a genestealer that Jaq fucks

[charred bridge]

Ok so to his merit he only bangs her before she was stuck in genestealer mode

[broken dew]

i thought he did it when she was a genestealer too

[charred bridge]

But certainly had thoughts when she was one too

[broken dew]

maybe that's what it was

[charred bridge]

Not really thoughts he just said many of them out loud

[bright dove]

He has direct statements then

[charred bridge]

And his retinue is like, anyways the mission. No one except if it's him and his gf alone comments on it

[broken dew]

he just says that he wants to fuck his gf as a genestealer and nobody comments on this?

[desert jay]

Following the classic "Don't argue with inquisitors"

[raven meteor]

Which one is that?

[jaunty dawn]

incursors

[raven meteor]

I did see the incursors had dual combat knives but isn't the statblock on those worse
Or did you mean purely that they had Two Knives rather than One Knife

[jaunty dawn]

the statistics is based on the two knife aspect

in 9e though they had ap -1 but no extra attack, and before that a whole special rule

[raven meteor]

lmaooo
I keep forgetting most of these models have long histories before this edition of warhammer
I wonder how different the Apparently Imminent 11e will be 🤔

[pale narwhal]

3 attacks sustained 1 for incursors currently

Reivers have 4 attacks with precision

[charred bridge]

They're just used to his objectifying comments

Deadly situation in a heavily slaaneshi corrupted city with titular spires and curvaceous buttresses, just another day ending in Y when he says extra parts of a genestealer isn't a bad thing when it comes to his gf

Then proceeds to body shame a woman by calling her like a mutant cow or something, bovine/cow was definitely used in the description

[broken dew]

the slaaneshi city description is nauseating

[jaunty dawn]

I think I was thinking of the rules they had before the second 8e codex came out looking back

[charred bridge]

Very apt descriptions for a slaaneshi city but he has describes like other non slaanesh stuff is written in a weird not veiled at all writer's fetish

[jaunty dawn]

the ones that came in the booklet in the box were wild but then didn't end up being the real rules

[raven meteor]

I meant to post that in the warhammer section of my friends' server! Where scrungaloids are being discussed!

Also wow
I don't really like the vibe of chaos largely
But the master of executions......................

I love a Big Axe

[stark cypress]

porting from BT thread

but I'm reading Vagabond Squadron.

Why does the Imperium do the stupidest shit with soldiers?

[charred bridge]

You see

I just wouldn't be a man

Is the imperium stupid? Just force fem everyone

[broken dew]

see if Big E just made all the primarchs girls like Malcador wanted we wouldn't be in this situation

[stark cypress]

I feel like it would be worse

[broken dew]

yeah but we wouldn't be in this situation

[stark cypress]

All right, so, why did Malc suggest Emps make the primach project be all girls?

[stark cypress]

_>

[broken dew]

Clearly Malcador has never had any sisters in his life.

[thin ibex]

The Imperium does the stupidest shit with soldiers because it's so hyper paranoid that they cannot even stomach their own forces succeeding

This is canonical, the Imperium actively self sabotages

A regiment does too well? They get dropped into a meat grinder theatre, their supplies get redirected. If they do way too well? They get declared traitors, their leaders assassinated, and hunted down

The munitorum ensures the doom of regiments just as often as it ensures others get their supplies as needed

[junior summit]

Though usually the coup-proofing is why regiments are so ridiculously specialized

it makes it impossible for any individual regimental commander to rebel

[dense sedge]

Is this new?

[broken dew]

yes

[dense sedge]

Oh that preview is definitely corsairs v corsairs
‘Faster and pointier pirates’

[desert jay]

There would probably be less epic pitched battles and duels, and more poisonings and throat-slittings

[dense sedge]

I wonder if this was already planned or put forwards after the leaks

[floral herald]

Already planned I think

The last “oops surprise official reveal because of leaks” they did just said as much (Nightbringer)

[charred bridge]

Power nails

[charred bridge]

If primarchs were women itd be 40k but with more violence

[pastel rampart]

Feels good to paint again.

And also just do some gross slime and drool, haha.

[still warren]

Chaos ironkin looking more likely

[raven meteor]

Huh .....
I did just see today that Ironkin are susceptible to a certain technological demon lord
Vashtorr?

[jaunty dawn]

Red corsairs getting a whole dnd party puts the ultramarine release mildly in context haha

Especially like titus and entourage

[past sphinx]

getting absolutely mogged by the chaos command squad

shits so good theyre releasing it in parts so people dont flip their shit

[raven meteor]

To be fair Titus and co got a whole videogame franchise as their hypeup

[floral herald]

We need Chaos Space Marine stat

[pseudo lintel]

I was thinking about getting into wargaming, and I always had on interest in AoS and 40k

[mental birch]

Usually the first thing to look at is what do folks play locally

[floral herald]

I agree

It's worth scouting local stores to see what's popular

[pastel rampart]

Yeah.

And also: pick the army you think looks coolest. Do not ever worry about meta.

[floral herald]

yeah

The meta will probably shift between starting and finishing an army, and cool models are forever

[desert jay]

Rules come and go, cool models you can own forever

Yeah

[raven meteor]

And if you want to get into the hobby digitally there's tons of avenues for that too! That's what I'm doing

[raven meteor]

And every faction needs a game exactly like Space Marine 2 yes 🫡

[pseudo lintel]

People play digitally? I guess that makes sense

[mild glen]

If you already know basic lore, just... pick your favorite. Or your second favorite.

[raven meteor]

Yeahhhh, I'm playing using Tabletop Simulator!

[mild glen]

Fire Warrior 2 needs to be an Armoured Core 6 kind of game

Let the players casually kick in a Space Marine's shit

[raven meteor]

Eldar game where you play an Autarch
So you can use every aspect shrines goodies equally well

[mild glen]

I still think Chaos could do with a Saint's Row style game where you take over a Hive level for one (or all) of the Four

[pastel rampart]

Nah nah Dark Eldar is the SR clone.

Engine already has flying and random obscene violence.

[mild glen]

Honestly, I'm mostly thinking of the "take over the other gangs' territories" bit on the map, and less the moment to moment gameplay

Though, moment to moment, you can also get crazy chaos blessings

"Blessings"

Make your alignment to each god a semi-hidden variable (though you can tell by looking at how your cult changes) and increase/ decrease based on your skill tree choices.

... as I'm typing this I'm realizing that I'm probably thinking more Infamous/Prototype

[pastel rampart]

Prototype but you're a chaos weirdo would slap honestly

New mutations!

[marsh tree]

Chapter two of my Sigmar x Dracothion fanfic is live!
https://archiveofourown.org/works/75291206/chapters/196800276

[mild glen]

All the Khorne dialog options are just BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

(I'm kidding, don't actually do this)

[pastel rampart]

I do find it a little difficult to imagine a CSM game that isn't Boltgun or SM2 but Spikey, though AoS/WHFB chaos has a lot more options.

[mild glen]

Imagine, like, a Hitman game, but you're a Callidus assassin

[runic swallow]

Hyperviolence interspersed with resource management and social bickering/backstabbing

[pastel rampart]

Ah, so an Animal Crossing clone.

[vital barn]

I would play Chaos Lord Mount and Blade

except almost everyone holding territory hates you but is a lot less dangerous than your average M&B town is to a starting player

[pastel rampart]

I could see a Soulslike game (respawning after death sort of thing) for either Eldar or Chaos.

[wide veldt]

lol but why would we ever get a chaos game

They aren’t the good guys

[raven meteor]

Its true,

[charred bridge]

It's true that's why we need another ork game

[stark cypress]

Orky autobattler

[charred bridge]

Ork combat racing was good but we can do gooder

[desert jay]

Wasn't there also an ork plane game?

[stark cypress]

More specifically, that was a turn-based game between Ork Deffpilots and Aeronautica pilots.

Which got delisted

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[still warren]

There was a 2d ork game along the lines of metal slug, think that was good but pretty low budget

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1324530/Warhammer_40000_Shootas_Blood__Teef/ ah found it

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[sour sequoia]

Locked Fabius Bile and his 10 chosen best friends into his car for 3 straight rounds

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a sadder chaos marines army

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/opening-the-car-door-halloween-kills-let-me-out-of-this-car-i-need-to-get-out-of-the-car-locked-inside-the-car-gif-22112396

Bile tryin'a leave

[thin ibex]

Reporting back, space wolves vs WE, space wolves win 39:33 concession by WE in the 3rd round

Logan Grimnar and 5 wolf guard terminators proved too tanky

And a round 1 drop into their dz to contest their home obj really stymied their aggression

[sour sequoia]

Other highlights include Fabius and the ten chosen finally getting out of their car, scoring overwhelming force by killing the entire aberrant unit final round, and then the fight-on-death killing fabius and every remaining chosen. Just a giant cloud of cartoon violence and then zero survivors.

[paper bluff]

More chaos apothecaries are needed

[deft crest]

"I have a suggestion"

[broken dew]

I like to imagine Big E reacted like that one JJJ gif

[marsh tree]

Bump

[paper bluff]

What form does dracothion take?

[rocky shale]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/aa1dpgac/see-the-new-and-improved-captain-titus-with-free-datasheets-for-the-wardens-of-ultramar/

Yaaaay more Titus attention

He never dies now

[floral herald]

lmfao he has SM2 contested health

[rocky shale]

You basically have to run him over with a truck to kill him

He has like a 70% chance to take out any non character infantry model on his fight on death

[desert jay]

That’s some real main character energy right there.

[rocky shale]

He will also be walking around with 38 wounds of blade guard vets and SM2 side characters

[sour sequoia]

Bladeguard is out

[vital barn]

I love to see every ultramarine army consisting of 4 bricks of elite super-mega-melee-elites, each with 1-2 named characters

[sour sequoia]

This man runs with victrix

[vital barn]

this is obviously how ultramarines fight, and not, say, Blood Angels

[sour sequoia]

Who are infinitely more terrifying with every survivability rule and every movement rule

[vital barn]

can he join Victrix?

[sour sequoia]

Yep

[rocky shale]

I don't think the side characters can attach to victrix

[vital barn]

cause I don't see them

and his flunkies can't

[rocky shale]

He can because victrix have a rule about captains being able to attach

[tired cairn]

Not making the kill something to come back to life once per game is a bit wild

[rocky shale]

So he's going with victrix and the 38W blade guard blob is just getting stuffed into a land raider

[vital barn]

ah, wonderful

so he is just immune to melee

I guess I need more kataphrons

[sour sequoia]

I have just got to get meaner to ultramarines players at tournaments

I think this changes literally nothing about how GSC fights ultramarines and I should still be able to casually 20-0 ultras players but goddamn

[rocky shale]

I am now running 30 banshees forever

[rocky shale]

You just have to shoot Titus or hit him with a car

[floral herald]

Sufficiently tanky stuff can do it in melee but yeesh

[rocky shale]

He kills every infantry model I can think of on like a 70% chance

At worst (unbuffed)

He just has to kill a model not the unit

[tepid stratus]

It'd be a shame if he got precision'd out by a melta gun or two

[vital barn]

he does have 4++ FNP 5+

so he's kind of a bitch to shoot

[rocky shale]

Lots of precision

[tepid stratus]

What I'm hearing is I need fulgrim to fuck him up

[rocky shale]

Epic challenge with fulgrim yeah

Or any other monster character

[floral herald]

EC also have a lot of precision shooting which helps

[sour sequoia]

Infractors, tormentors, haloscreed ruststalkers actually gank the guy which is funny

[vital barn]

I guess I need the same giant kataphron bricks as ever

rusties get rinsed

[junior summit]

I think he wins the fight with some trucks

[vital barn]

he fights on death, kills half the squad, gets back up

[rocky shale]

Tank shock

[sour sequoia]

He cannot rez on tankshock lmaooo

[floral herald]

See it's true to video games, arena hazards just kill

[junior summit]

oh tank shock doesnt let him rez

[rocky shale]

Run this man over with a leman russ

[sour sequoia]

Hit this guy with the knights classic of three bike driveby activations, 0CP grenades, 15d6 of flamers, and a rockgrinder tankshock

[junior summit]

but if he survives the tank shock but dies to the actual ram attack he can get the rez

[sour sequoia]

I will simply opt out of 80% of the combat math

[junior summit]

But also yeah very much a chaff blender

[sour sequoia]

Okay his rez is once per fight phase instead of once per game

[vital barn]

I think the actual counter for admech is 3 lanceboyz

they're not infantry so he does fuck all to them

at least to mop up after using all my very large guns

[junior summit]

He does basically nothing to Knights too since lol armor

[sour sequoia]

Honestly quite a few factions are gonna just sidestep his whole deal I think, disco lords and ghostkeels dunk on him for same reason

[past sphinx]

woe, grenades be upon he

[sour sequoia]

My Name Murderfang/World Eaters Helbrute

[junior summit]

Strategium command being Creed! is kinda funny

[floral herald]

There's a lot of characters or units with a thing like that now I think

I forget exactly how many

[sour sequoia]

Almost every single faction has a unit or an enhancement that does so

AdMech has like, 4

The GSC Primus does that, there’s a cheap enhancement that does it in Vanguard Tyranids, the fuckin Deceiver does it lmao

[junior summit]

yeah I know but the steady spread of Creed! is very funny

everyone's reading his book

[jaunty dawn]

Creed cant though

His daughter

[deft crest]

Ok but wait that shit is so hype i kinda wanna be a smurf now.

[floral herald]

He looks so good icl

[deft crest]

As someone who was just yesterday looking longingly at my old AoS stormcasts, i kinda miss having the default dan army

[deft crest]

(of which btw i learned are almost all fuckin legended)

(no more evocators )

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah the sacrosanct retirement sucks

[sour sequoia]

FWIW they legends’d the old aesthetic ones but the stormcast range is so so so bloated they should have weapon and base size matches for All Of Them

The trade secret is stormcast is actually hard to play, slaves to darkness is the default dan of AoS

[atomic apex]

Stormcast have so many damn models

[jaunty dawn]

I mean you can proxy stuff but you cant play oops all wizards

Stuff like evocators especially

[thin ibex]

My biggest challenge as a person with only a casual interest is that it's not like... immediately clear what all the different types of storm cast actually do. Especially with the like... bazillion characters

[tardy vault]

Yeah, that's the price of a bloated range

And a lot of models have overlap in role so generally only a very small number of units are actually correct because they are just better mathwise than everyone else.

[tardy vault]

And agreed. If you want big armored dudes walking across the board hitting shit play S2D

Stormcast are more about teleport/"deepstrike" nonsense along with some minor recursion. Also your army rule can be punishing if you don't know the rough math for your units during combat.

[floral herald]

They seem neat

Kind of AoS Grey Knights?

[upper bluff]

That's not a bad comparison. Theyre both elite armies with a surprising amount of movement shenanigans for being 12 feet tall armored magic knights

[tired cairn]

Being 12 feet tall gives you a movement bonus because your legs are longer

[tardy vault]

Yeah, that's about accurate tho they're relatively more elite than Grey Knights (relatively because AoS is just a more elite game).

[floral herald]

Neat

[tardy vault]

Tell that to Annihilators lmao

[floral herald]

I've got some random ones lying around for a launch box I got very cheaply

[tardy vault]

You probably have half an army then

[tired cairn]

Uhhhh, the one big step they take to teleport in really tires them out?

[tardy vault]

tbf they do land pretty hard

[desert jay]

Also just noticed that the Titus article mentions "new Space Marines Detachments"

[vital barn]

unlimited blueberry works

[floral herald]

Probably yeah, I've got the launch box with the rats and such in it and a battleforce

[tardy vault]

Oh, that's literally over 1k points

(tho I ran that math a while ago but it should still be sitting around there)

[desert jay]

There's 34 detachments so far (incl. DA/BA/SW/BT/DW), I wonder if it's just gonna be a couple, or more than that?

[pale narwhal]

I’m always tempted to start AoS

But I don’t know anyone in my local area who plays (I’m sure there are people) and I have like. Some old skaven (pestilens start collecting plus another twenty plague monks, a clawlord, and an arch warlock), four or five of the ‘try painting!’ Stormcast models, and two of the drake riders

Which is a very incoherent collection

[tardy vault]

I would grab a Spearhead box of a faction and find someone to play a couple rounds of Spearhead with.

[pale narwhal]

I very well might do once my current pile of shame is done

A good friend of mine will probably be down to collect lizardmen at some point in the future so that’s a jumping off point

[tardy vault]

do be aware that while Spearhead is mostly balanced there are a couple outliers (specifically, LRL is like awful but they haven't gotten their new combo box yet so maybe that'll be fixed)

[floral herald]

I know there's an AoS scene around me but I haven't checked it out at all

[sour sequoia]

So we know they’re making six, and they said necrons and space marines detachments. Conservative estimate, 4 marines detaches and 2 necron ones lmaooo

$5 says one is an annihilation legion reprint

[pale narwhal]

I mean I’d hope 3 and 3 but that might be too much to ask for. Can definitely see an annihilation legion reprint happen

[desert jay]

Oh where did they say Necrons?

[sour sequoia]

When they first started teasing 500 worlds they said six new necron and marine detaches, since they’re releasing Necron Giga-Satan next week for Titus to bonk on the head and permanently kill before saying My Duty Done or some shit

[desert jay]

Ah found it
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/fm2tm39s/world-championships-preview-captain-titus-battles-nekrosor-ammentar-for-the-five-hundred-worlds-of-ultramar/

... and a book of six new Warhammer 40,000 Detachments for the Space Marines and Necrons.

[broken dew]

did Chairon not die

[desert jay]

Yeah Acheran and Chairon died fighting genestealers somewhere between Space Marine 2 and 500 Worlds

[desert jay]

Honestly fair chance Ammentar loses the battle but runs off cackling and then gets forgotten by the narrative

[tired cairn]

GSC ambushes are so good they kill you offscreen

[raven meteor]

Clearly, they're going to die on screen in Space Marine 3

[vital barn]

ammentar can't die because they gave him a model, so I hope everyone is ready for the most indecisive campaign of the last five years

it's not like they can even do very much damage to the ultras because 90% of the chapter is Named Character

[broken dew]

Ammentar looks pretty interesting

i like the long spine tail

[tired cairn]

That's the Ultramarines ultimate plan: have so many named characters they are effectively invincible

[vital barn]

I'm looking forward to the Necrons doing immense damage to the new ultramarines chapter We Invented This Yesterday and then losing 1d3 generic tomb worlds

[junior summit]

ok I think with titus the rez wont actually trigger very often

if he's double socketed theres like 40 reasonably durable wounds between him and enemy fire and he needs to have not fought for it to go off

so you do need to come to him and not the other way around

[vital barn]

he is mostly immune to melee, but I don't think that's new given the existence of Victrix bricks

[junior summit]

yeah

[charred bridge]

Giving me sm2 flashbacks with contested health

Playing sniper/assault/heavy and needed to reload? Lol lmao goodbye contested health

Even if you are Assault with the perk for 50% longer contested health you better hope there's a nearly dead enemy you can kill within a second or you lose it all

[vital barn]

so lorewise there are exactly 20 victrix guard, that's it

and you can take all 20 with 3x6 + the two that randomly come attached to one of the Calgars

[broken dew]

i would simply have more elite guards

[vital barn]

so at what point can we hit an ultra army that is entirely unique stuff

guilliman, calgar w/ boys, cato, ventris, titus, wardens, 3x6 victrix

probably not that much space left there

[desert jay]

That's probably a 2k

[vital barn]

oh, tiggy too

[wary cape]

Wake me up when imperial knights

[vital barn]

OK, the entire cast of ultramarines elites is 1595 + the extra cost of New Titus and the Wardens

so you can nearly have an all-unique 2k

maybe you need a couple of chump squads for your two spare epic heroes to go with

[desert jay]

One squad of termies should be enough

[vital barn]

Calgar, Cato and Titus can lead Victrix bricks, and then you should have room for a couple of squads of bladeguard to max out the boringness

[tired cairn]

Are they legends-ing the old Titus rules? Or can you technically take two of him?

[vital barn]

I think 32 elite melee infantry and 5 characters is just a custodes army

except probably better

[brittle salmon]

[raven meteor]

I believe this is their way of having both

(Sorry for bad resolution)

[tired cairn]

Oh lmao

I love that he is a Keyword

[vital barn]

on one hand, this is fucking disgusting

[broken dew]

keyword Titus

[paper bluff]

think more.... 15 infantry and 3 characters

[vital barn]

on the other hand I will probably kill a whole bunch of irreplaceable legends if they're running one per squad

go, my chump skitarii

[paper bluff]

but yeah that is specifically a detachment

[vital barn]

and breachers turned out by the tens of thousand

[broken dew]

whatever, go my Skitarii

[paper bluff]

auric champions is the detachment name iirc

[vital barn]

I know one friend of mine is literally just spamming Guard

6x5 spearstodes

for some reason they're cheaper than Terminators

[raven meteor]

I'm starting to want to try custodes but my favorite unit of theirs visual design and vibes wise is the Gunstodes and alas they seem Bad mechanically

[vital barn]

ah yes

big tactical marine

[paper bluff]

yeah are

cause it's more expensive custodes with a bolter and one time use special shot

[floral herald]

Aren't those guys also resin?

[paper bluff]

so mostly, no

[vital barn]

I believe it's just an upgrade kit on the regular guard kit

[floral herald]

I love their vibes esp when not in Ostentatious Gold but I thought they were a forge world option

[vital barn]

from the brief era where Forge World was doing all the Custodes stuff and had a much better idea of how to make them look drippy

[tired cairn]

Golden Guns make you weak to James Bond

[paper bluff]

it's a 3 shot sustained hits 1, 5 strength, -1 ap 2 damage per bolter

[raven meteor]

iirc their fancy bolt caliver is basically a standard heavy bolter that can be Devastating Wounds once per combat
So you're paying 225 points for 5 heavy bolters with a slight upgrade attached to sturdy infantry
Plus a moderately effective melee weapon for cleaning out tyrannids or what have you

[paper bluff]

and to give up custodes melee is a tall ask

[vital barn]

just to check there are no limits to Epic Heroes, right?

you can in fact just run all of them

[raven meteor]

I could have sworn the core rules said just one epic hero per army

[paper bluff]

and they can deep strike

[raven meteor]

But also I suspect people take more anyway a lot

[paper bluff]

oh yeah they also supress the unit they shot at

[vital barn]

I have definitely seen lists with both Calgar and Ventris so I don't think there's a limit

[raven meteor]

Oh wait, it's 'you can't take the SAME epic hero more than once'
Which like
Duh

[vital barn]

if you don't care about an army being remotely sane you can probably hit actual all-unique status depending on how much the new stuff costs

since you can just Agents in some more unique inquisitors

or Canis Rex obviously

[desert jay]

Or both

[vital barn]

then you're well over 2k

[desert jay]

Well that just means you get to shop for your favorites

Instead of being forced to take everything or almost everything

[vital barn]

I am admittedly a 10th neophyte but I'm not entirely certain "20 victrix, wardens, 3-4 Ultramarine Captains, Calgar, Guilliman, Canis Rex" isn't an actual list

like, not cutting-edge tournament viable but it would certainly be annoying as fuck to play against

[sour sequoia]

Up until last week it was the meta

[paper bluff]

always amend a "yet" I'd say to any possible annoying lists

[sour sequoia]

You will probably still see every ultra character and at least 12 victrix guard.

[desert jay]

Not exactly that list but close

[vital barn]

wonderful

on an unrelated note I need six Kataphron Breachers stat

[sour sequoia]

Ultramarines has had a 60% wr all edition by taking every single named character and throwing random bullshit in the rest, and now they do it better because your random bullshit beats the lion in melee

[vital barn]

pretty sure what I'm going to do there is pick up some 60mm bases, wait for the new destructor box and magnetise the gunshields to hold heavy arc rifles

they're the right size, they look great and I can use all my spare Kataphron parts

[desert jay]

An actual tourney list from last month

[sour sequoia]

There are loads of armies that can deal with it or don’t care but victrixmaxxing and bringing every Unhelmeted Ultramarine Movie Star is the meta defining list right now

[vital barn]

wonderful

time to rack up the named character kill count

ideally without bringing Cawl because it's more fun to do it with Literally Who

[desert jay]

Whenever people are curious what the current meta is I just hit up Auspex for one of his example list videos

[vital barn]

there was a nice agreement at my old game store where if someone brought a Primarch and the other person didn't and the Primarch went down, the guy who lost said primarch had to hand over a trophy

usually just some random power sword or helmet

[desert jay]

Sometimes it's "one list for every army", sometimes it's "this week's notable winners"

[vital barn]

there was a Callidus who had a little ring of marine helmets

due to good luck and timing

[tired cairn]

If there are 20 Victrix Honour Guards total, what do you think the other two are doing?

[vital barn]

the other two are standing robotically next to Calgar's old armour

because they haven't been told where else to go

[sour sequoia]

I would hit up goonhammer, Auspex is like. Actually pretty surface level imo

[vital barn]

honestly given Titus practically has a 3++ I'm not sure he even needs a unit depending on how much he costs

[desert jay]

Yeah Auspex doesn't do detailed breakdowns

But if you just want to see like what a list looks like, it's easy to flip through

[vital barn]

I've certainly used characters like that as solo beatsticks in HH, where the Arcuitor has something similar

[sour sequoia]

Have watched him completely whiff what’s actually going on with the lists and armies I know about so its led me to distrust em on the stuff I don’t know

[vital barn]

(no infinite melee respawn but you can dive into a challenge, beat someone up and then break the squad without having to fight the rest if you're lucky)

[desert jay]

Fair! I figure the ones that cite an actual tourney placement are safe

Also it was very funny when someone named Paul who wasn't Paul is Bad At Stuff placed in a tourney with a Raven Guard centurion list

[brittle salmon]

Lists like these are clearly why indirect fire should be unnerfed

[desert jay]

And PIBAS had to go "no, that's not me, I'm not that good at the game, also I have more centurions than that"

Precision units should also be buffed somehow, let the snipers have some fun with those unhelmeted skulls :v

[vital barn]

once again HH does it better there

even Primarchs fear heavy sniper lists

love you, headhunter bomb

Unsurprisingly at least like, five people have gotten on my case because apparently a unit of undefended 1W marines that can zone a primarch out of an 18" bubble are unfun and anti-narrative and so forth

[broken dew]

1W?

wound?

[vital barn]

Heresy is the Marines Dying Like Bitches game so marines are 1W by default there

[broken dew]

ahhh ok

[vital barn]

only veterans and terminators have two wounds

[broken dew]

yeah i was confused cause it seemed low but it's heresy not 40k

[desert jay]

Marines used to be 1W in 40k for a long while too

[broken dew]

i wanna learn 40k rules properly at some point

i don't know that i will ever play it cause i don't like the pricing at all

but i do still think it would be fun to learn the rules

[raven meteor]

Get TTS :3

[desert jay]

Termies used to be 1W once upon a time

[broken dew]

true

though i still kinda wanna make some of my Dusk Defiant dudes as minis

[raven meteor]

Actual physical warhammer definitely seems like the kind of hobby where it's the only thing you spend leisure money on

[broken dew]

yeah

i have too many money hungry hobbies to ever consider getting into warhammer

unless i suddenly become rich

[broken dew]

probably some of the easier ones mind you, i'd have to become pretty fucking skilled to ever do a mini of like, Lupaion

he's got way too much going on

[vital barn]

Paint scheme aside, that looks like a doable conversion with existing marine parts

[broken dew]

it's just that he has like

7 different armors worth of parts

his armor has one Curadh shoulder plate, one maximus armor forearm, the full arm and backpack of a set of iron armor, the chest of an errant armor, one leg and the hips of crusade armor, one corvus armor thigh and foot, one thunder armor shin, and some miscellaneous bits for decoration

tbf if i was gonna do anyone i'd wanna do the chapter master

he'd be less difficult to do

[paper bluff]

OH yeah btw for the staggatrum custodes

Does not have to be guard body

[pastel rampart]

Chaos cutie mark.

[past sphinx]

best unit based purely on aura

(gimmie back my fucking combi James you hack)\

[broken dew]

These look cool

But i just can't escape the guardian spear

[paper bluff]

1who knows what our new batch of plastic on the 16th will hold

[past sphinx]

a single new shield capt

[pastel rampart]

https://bsky.app/profile/oculusimperia.bsky.social/post/3mb7aqwn7uc24

Oculus Imperia (@oculusimperia.bsky.social)

Back in 2011 I visited Warhammer World, and they were showing these absolutely wonderful Blanche Necron concepts.

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[broken dew]

That last one has a very Eldar looking helmet

[tired cairn]

A draw is very impressive

[mental birch]

Why so?

Haha

The 67 draw thp

[tired cairn]

Because it's very unlikely with how scoring works, ha

[junior robin]

oh to live in the universe where Blanche ruled the warhammer design team with an iron fist

[paper bluff]

We should let wayne barlowe, design an alien or demon for 40k

[pastel rampart]

Or a whole faction.

"Which faction?" who cares just let the guy go to town.

[valid brook]

hell yeah

Barlowe is a fuckin weapon

[paper bluff]

If you told me, he designed stuff for conquest last argument of kings I believe you

But for real, let wayne design new chaos spawn

[valid brook]

saw it at the local and had to cop

[pastel rampart]

Last time the Lost and the Damned had an army list.

[topaz elk]

I’m kinda realizing that Tyrion is basically elf Achilles

With all the baggage that entails

[dense sedge]

Lost and the damned, exodites and auxiliaries woukd be neat

[pastel rampart]

Printed out a retro 40k bunker and it came out great.

[stark cypress]

A relic

reforged

Actually, I saw a relic IRL yesterday. Somebody at one of the shops I go to a lot? They gifted one of their friends a 2008 Titan.

in the original box

[pastel rampart]

Daaaaamn

https://cults3d.com/en/users/Doctor-Spork/3d-models The sculptor btw, I plan to print out more of his stuff. Prints like a dream, no supports needed.

[past sphinx]

sir thats a cube with holes in

its perfect

[desert jay]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ubw3jaeg/sunday-preview-captain-titus-prepares-to-unify-the-500-worlds/

Also for anyone wondering about the new detachments, it's 3 for SM and 3 for crons

The Space Marines are granted the Orbital Assault Force, Bastion Task Force, and Reclamation Force, while the Necrons get the Pantheon of Woe, Cursed Legion, and Cryptek Conclave.

That last one sounds like it's gonna be Canoptek Court 2

Ah, and Cursed Legion might be Annihilation Legion 2

[This box of various Destroyer Cult units] can also be fielded in the new Cursed Legion Detachment that empowers the already deadly weapons of Destroyer Cult units.