Warhammer and Such

[runic swallow]

Oh no, one of the guys in the squad is a khornate on the long downslope of losing it

And there’s probably plenty who could be all in on the depression and misery aspect of Nurgle

[stark cypress]

True

[pastel rampart]

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I decided to work more my old Catbus Battlewagon. It really needed some more washes in the recesses and around all the nuts and bolts. I think it's definitely helped. I may still go back and add some brighter spots to all the darkest brown for some variation. Hope y'all like the slightly altered look!

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[thin ibex]

I think i have got him

im behind rn

but ive wiped out so much of his army

some lucky railgun rolls put this in the pocket

just erasing predators and rhinos

my breachers disemboweled a daemon prince

[thin ibex]

So, caveat, he's trying to make the jackal/ lord of skulls detachment work BUT

Great victory for the tau

Finally

I've won a tau victory against works eaters, even if it was in what is arguably one of their weakest detachments

It still counts

[charred bridge]

However the other person doesn't say it just to troll
our-bites like our sound in Arkansas.
Or r-bee-tees

[vital barn]

Legions is an unremarkable mobile game but I appreciate some of the art

Vorax approaching at incredible high speed

[past sphinx]

its well known perty is a tabletop gamer

but its a lot funnier if hes specifically a blood bowl player

[runic swallow]

I mean, it’s not confirmed or denied, so…

[jaunty dawn]

He plays blood bowl because its the most applicable to real world tactics

[stark cypress]

So, I'm working on getting some tau models prepped

And I'm wondering if putting and priming some terrain tufts would look cool on the drones/pathfinders.

[raven meteor]

So, if you have a rule that lets you reroll a hit roll of 1, does that go off until you no longer have a hit dice of 1, or does it go off once for each rolled 1 and in the unfortunate circumstance you land on 1 again you stick with the 1

This is the specific rule that made me ask but I've seen it a few times

I am looking at this and the statblock on ogryn ripper guns and contemplating whether I actually should care about imperial guard

[floral herald]

Dice can only be rerolled once

[raven meteor]

Got it! Still seems very nice with the Ogryn Squad's 50/50 ballistic skill and shitload of extremely deadly attacks

[floral herald]

Yeah reroll ones is pretty good for them

[mild glen]

Reroll 1s is very good just, in general. It's why the T'au love stealth suits so much.

[sour sequoia]

Any degree of reroll is essentially the best rule in the game you can ask for

Oath of Moment is far and away most powerful army rule in the game for that reason

[brittle salmon]

Also why AdMech shot up in viability

Because Cawl just got Oath of Moment wholesale in the buffs

[rocky shale]

Oath with +1 to wound is actually insane

[sour sequoia]

It used to be rerolls to wound too (:

[rocky shale]

I cant think of many armies that wouldnt take that over their existing army rule

[sour sequoia]

Any time a space marine player is telling you “oh they are not that bad they’ve only been 52% WR” you need to know its because your average space marine players are ten year olds

Especially with the sheer amount of double-oath available to marines now in Guilliman, a few different detaches, Wrath of the Rock, and Caanok Var

[rocky shale]

Give oath to imperial agents

Its the only fair move

[rocky shale]

The idea that a space marine player might need the best army rule into two separate targets in one round is just gluttony

[sour sequoia]

Welcome to the same dipshit ultramarines list that’s been 60% WR the entire edition: every named character some ballistus dreads and a sack of what the fuck ever because you have every rule all the time

[thin ibex]

You know I feel like in the limited range of opponents that I play against, the refrain that space marine bodies are super fragile just doesn't bear out. 2 wounds on a 3+ is pretty solid

[sour sequoia]

Literally won adepticon shattering a bunch of records and then everybody crawled out of the woodwork going “why does everybody hate ussss we just wanna be the posterboys”

[sour sequoia]

They’re quite tough tbh but they’re not at DWK/Custodes/DG/necrons level where you can just make mistakes and suffer nothing

[thin ibex]

Oh yeah no, not that, but you do actually need to focus fire or have good tools for it, or they can weather a lot

[sour sequoia]

People need to see t3 armies in the meta to understand marines are tough so unless you got some eldar & guard & tau or admech players they just won’t feel ‘tough’

[thin ibex]

I often encounter late game when both our armies are heavily bloodied and I just lack the tools to efficiently remove marine bodies

Also lol, yeah. As a tau player and experimenting with Aeldari, I definitely know what actual fragility looks like

I was exploring playing mechanized aeldari just to to to offset the paper nature of my army

[past sphinx]

3 wraith knights

[thin ibex]

Wraith list seems fun to mess around with at least

Though gun knight seems like it'd do more

[past sphinx]

it so weirdly mid

its like

1 replusor executioner worth of shooting

[thin ibex]

Yeah

[past sphinx]

i mean you get a S20 gun but uhhh how really more useful is that going to be than s14

[thin ibex]

Wounds T10 on a 2

[rocky shale]

Wraithknights are pretty abysmal for their points

[thin ibex]

Bring em for style, not to win

[rocky shale]

They dont even feel like much style given how few rules interact with them

[floral herald]

How the mighty have fallen

[rocky shale]

Yeah theyre in forever jail for being a Problem

But now they're like 30% more expensive than lots of knights with substantially less gun, like 2-3 strats in the entire codex that can interact with them, and no invuln unless you drop a primary weapon.

I dont think they should be meta

But they could be a lot cheaper and still only be mid

[floral herald]

Yeah they have definitely been overnerfed

[rocky shale]

Currently sword+board is the best variant

[thin ibex]

Trying to decide if I put two or one in this list

[stark cypress]

Make your dudes, your dudes

Ain't no rule about how they look.

Ignore the appearance purists...>_> This is the wrong server.

[rocky shale]

What?

[stark cypress]

My two posts were meant for a different server

[rocky shale]

If youre gonna run a wraithknight go for 1 with ghostglaive + sword. Its a fast T12 2+/4++ -1 Damage thing that slaps you with a sword

It doesnt slap very hard for its points but it is kinda hard to ignore.

And it can run through buildings.

[stark cypress]

What can GW do to make the Wraith look cooler?

[thin ibex]

I think it looks decently cool as is actually

[rocky shale]

Wraiths look cool

[thin ibex]

Having better stats for the points, being cheaper, maybe having differing weapon options, that would be cool

Titanic units don't need to be that good though if we're being honest. If they hit kinda hard and look cool, that's enough

Ultimately the big unit is capable of changing the course of the game by itself in casuals

[rocky shale]

All wraiths (except maybe lords) are overpriced right now for the rules they have

Most units can do something in casuals

[raven meteor]

Hmmmmm
It annoys me that Ogryns don't come in packs of 4, so you can't fill a chimera with them
You either take 3 and have some vacant space or take 6 and thay can't fit at all
I had a beautiful dream of rolling a battle wagon with max heavy flamers in with ripper guns going out the gun decks

Obviously you can still do the gun deck bit but I wanted an optimal amount of Ogryns to pop out of the box when it got smashed :c

[sour sequoia]

Take the stormlord you coward

[raven meteor]

LMAO
I
I
I didn't know about the Stormlord, I was looking in the Transports for Gun Deck vehicles
This is beautiful,

Two Ogryn squads could fit inside this MFer

[sour sequoia]

Its worth pointing out on firing deck w/ flamers you cannot overwatch firing deck guns

[raven meteor]

Ahhhhhh
Good to know! I was talking about the heavy flamers you can attach to the Chimera itself, though

[thin ibex]

Which is the plasma variant of the shadowsword? Stormblade?

Oh it's not even a thing anymore in rules

https://www.newrecruit.eu/app/list/1Y6e8

[raven meteor]

guns being used out of a gun deck count as being fired by the vehicle with the gun deck and not the dudes 'inside', right?

[sour sequoia]

Correct! Dudes inside transport essentially do not exist

[thin ibex]

The vehicle gets more guns yeah, so they all inherit any special rules the vehicle has, not the squad inside

If it has one

The guns do retain whatever special tags they have though

[rocky shale]

Yeah the vehicle gets the guns for everything except overwatch I believe

Firing deck is a shooting phase ability*

So anything outside of shooting in the shooting phase the firing deck guns dont exist

[raven meteor]

Got it
I have a very silly idea in my head that I'm exploring as more of a thought experiment than anything
Which is giving a Stormlord crammed full of Ogryns extra AP on the Ripper Guns and Vulcan Mega-Bolter from Fields Of Fire and Lethal Hits from Born Soldiers to let it shoot down fellow ultra heavy tanks and monsters just from volume of fire
Each ripper gun gets 6 shots and you will be shooting 12 of them, so 72 shots, the Vulcan will shoot 20 shots with Sustained Hits 1, 2 Heavy Stubbers will put out 12 more, and 5 Heavy Bolters for 15 more shots with Sustained Hits 1
And then two lascannons for some more conventional anti tank on top
The idea being to just ignore the toughness disparity by trying to push a shitload of 6es through

Just looking at that writeup above makes me way less enthused by the idea,

(Related to this- the Heavy Weapon Squads specifically say 'so their weapons count as two weapons for firing deck' but looking at wahapedia Ogryns do not, is this an oversight or just the fact of the matter)

[sour sequoia]

Ogryn are one for one on firing deck

[raven meteor]

Eyyyy

[sour sequoia]

Its always just an opportunity cost thing right

You’re paying how much for the 100ish shots at Mid Strength

[upper canopy]

Yknow

[vital barn]

What if Corpuscarii bomb but really big

[upper canopy]

Im surprised we havent gotten a gun lugger ogryn unit

[raven meteor]

I want to make the Battle Bus real but perhaps planning contingencies for turning the Stormlord into an anti tank unit is not the play,
What led me here was 'what if I did that but then some shit like Angron appeared on the field'
Which I'm sure the Guard has Actual Answers For I just need to dig around a bit more for
Krieg Combat Engineers applied liberally seems like an option too, I saw the Leman Russ has a Giga Anti Tank variant, and then there's all the stuff I haven't read yet

[rocky shale]

A stormlord isnt regiment or squadron FYI

There are very few strats that work on them

[raven meteor]

Oooo
Good to know!
Right, I forgot it was a tier above regular tanks

[rocky shale]

Isnt that just normal ogryn?

[upper canopy]

Ogryn with autocannons or heavy stubbers

[rocky shale]

Oh so like bigger than the ripper guns

[upper canopy]

Ya

[rocky shale]

I think technically the rippergun is a better statline than a heavy stubber

Autocannon seems more correct

[rocky shale]

690 for stormlord +12 ogryn lmao

And you need to be at 9" range for rapid fire

Then you get to make 1 billion shots wounding a rogal dorn on 6s with AP0 into cover.

Ok so the stormlord with all heavy bolters (7 total), 12 ogryn, and 4 lascannons, with an order for +1BS, at 9" range for rapid fire (but ignoring rapid fire/twin linked on the heavy bolters and vulvan mega bolter for my own math sanity) can be expected to do...

Average 12.4 damage to a rogal dorn, 4 of which is the lascannons

If the dorn pops smoke you drop down to an avg of 5 damage LMAO

[vital barn]

this conversation has made me realise I was super underrating the corpuscarii bomb because the dunerider gives wound rerolls on disembark

so they're dumping something like 16 autowounds + 30+ S5 AP-1 hits with rerolls

[rocky shale]

Granted this battle bus does to silly things to anything its actually good at shooting (i.e. not tanks)

[vital barn]

admittedly that's with strat + cawl

but it's still not too shabby

especially with 18" range from a cheap enhancement

[raven meteor]

I did just find more ways to improve the formula, but yes, this is silly
Prefire with a Leman Russ Exterminator for Withering Hail, go Grizzled Company instead, and take an Officer with Aquilan Eye for Target Weak Spot
This gets your Battle Bus -2 AP on top of anything its guns already has for that shooting phase

Wait, hm
There's probably not an Aquilan Eye comptaible officer that can order titanic units around huh, I recall titanic officers being very rare!

[rocky shale]

Manipulus for lethals over dominus for 4+++ fnp?

[vital barn]

on corps, absolutely

[rocky shale]

Ah nice

[vital barn]

they're little paper men anyway, their job is to hop out, trade up and then be kind of irritating to kill

[rocky shale]

Lord solar leontus can, idk if theres any generics who can

[raven meteor]

Yeah and heroes can't take enhancements
Ah well

[vital barn]

fulgurites I have domini with because they're a bit safer in melee than the corps are standing around in the open

and they don't really care about lethals since they're all about the dev wounds

[raven meteor]

But yeah I'm just reading through the lists trying to find stuff that plugs into/supports the battlebus, pay me no mind

[vital barn]

OK, so on average corp bomb puts out 16.7 autowounds and 36.7 hits at S5 AP-1 rerolling wounds, if I use the full strat + cawl + disembark combo

which is a full squad of dead custard creams

against regular terminators it merely hurts a lot and I have to dodge AOC because it halves that

[rocky shale]

ultimately any 700pt unit that needs additional support is in pure goofy meme list territory

but 113 shots is funny as hell

[vital barn]

well, the corps are 275 w/ transport, I think they're in the space of plausible area denial

[rocky shale]

disembark into melee is tough because your transport has to be in position

[vital barn]

the stormlord maybe not so much

that's not melee, that's shooting at 18"

[rocky shale]

yeah the stormlord was what im talking about

ohhh lol

[vital barn]

corpuscarii are the jazz hands priests

they can punch but what I want them for is the 18" infantry area denial

small footslogging squads might not be too bad either just because they have a really good suppress rule

but honestly for that cost I just bring more skittles

dunerider not too bad on its own, it kills like 8-9 guardsmen by itself with its 50000 heavy stubbers, no buffs required

[little bay]

ladies and gents i now have warhammer 40k rogue trader

[mental birch]

Drone hat

Hmmm

[paper bluff]

OG Perty would not like bloodbowl. Perty now would

[charred bridge]

Random thought, Lofi vox beats to run the most brutal regime in human history to

[past sphinx]

its just binaric cants

[charred bridge]

Do you think some binaric cants are just like memes that machine spirits remember during like daot tech, I bet they had wild memes in that era

[charred bridge]

Machine Spirit rites but its just who's this pokemon and if you get it wrong the machine spirit locks you out for 3 minutes

[past sphinx]

i tell ya

becoming a locksmith made me believe in machine spirits

sometime the fucker hates you

like a person specifically

no sense no reason for failure the damn thing just thinks you look stupid

[charred bridge]

This is lockpicking lawyer and I have been sent by a the Omnissiah. So today I am picking the lock to the Eternity Gate

[past sphinx]

ive picked dozens if not hundreds of locks and that man isnt human

however locksports and locksmithing are very different things

[charred bridge]

Difference between a lock thats new and one thats been outdoors and handled like a rock in a tumbler is very different

[past sphinx]

true and mostly i do automotive work witch is like comparing wolves and hyenas

[paper bluff]

Oh, I fully planned during a warhammer 40k table top game fully planned to send the players on a quest to get the "ancient technocants of Scribe Lex"

[raven meteor]

So I'm a little confused about Feel No Pain
If a single attack does more wounds than 1, such as like, a meltagun or power sword
Do you roll Feel No Pain for..... I want to say for each point of damage but I think the proper term is every wound, or just once for that attack

[pale narwhal]

Every point of damage

[raven meteor]

Alright!
So if a sister with a hospitaller nearby gets hit with a heavy bolter, they gotta feel no pain twice to survive

[pale narwhal]

Yup

[raven meteor]

Still quite nice for all those 1 wound attacks going around 😌

[vital barn]

this has wildly bounced around every edition or two, by the way, so don't expect it to be consistent among GW games

but it is at least straightforward in 10th

[raven meteor]

To be fair, I did FIGURE it was roll for each point
But couldn't be sure
Being able to get a Second Invuln Save against multi melta shots and vanquisher battle cannons seemed silly!

[junior summit]

iirc statistically it is equivalent to a second invuln save

[floral herald]

For single damage attacks yeah

It gets a little different with overkilling attacks

[junior summit]

oh yeah cause with a 1 wound model the odds of a kill are the odds that you fail at least one save

which is somewhat higher than a strict 6+

[raven meteor]

Also wow I didnt realize how weird a tank hunter unit the paragon warsuits were until I started reading other factions
With the relatively low base strength but the unit ability that makes them basically count as having equal strength to toughness against tanks and monsters
I like the vibe tbh
Instead of shaped explosive charges and concentrated energy lances, sisters use a Big Mech Sword and lots of enthusiasm

(Also meltas- I appreciate that their ability lets them fire their multi meltas into the superheavy tanks and have a 50/50 shot of wounding)

[junior summit]

well they do have the energy lances though those are less good against tanks nowadays

[raven meteor]

Yeahhhhh I just remembered
But they do seem like some of the best folks at applying them!

[broken dew]

been playing Mechanicus and i unlocked a Kastelan Robot and it is really cool

[vital barn]

tinboy highly effective

[broken dew]

yeah it absolutely mulches necrons with its flamethrower

regularly getting multikills

[vital barn]

although I admit I am most fond of pumping all my action economy juice into the most dangerous melee techpriest possible

[broken dew]

i have a Skitarii Ranger Alpha with a sword

and it's always fun sending that mfer to just dice a necron

[atomic apex]

I love Skitarii Rangers, especially once you get them to level 3 so they always crit

[broken dew]

i'm definitely playing suboptimally but it's fun enough

keep alerting everything in the tomb on every mission

[thin ibex]

I've learned that the big benefit of mechanized lists is just the sheer volume of high toughness mass you have to sling around and buy time for yourself with

[vital barn]

I never went too heavily into the flunkie stuff, just ran a big blob of priests

I should maybe do a Skitarii-focused run

[atomic apex]

Just blow up the consoles

[broken dew]

true

i forget that i can cap them and then blow them up after

i want that blackstone

[atomic apex]

It reduces awakening by enough that you can get by with like one or two awakening per mission IME

[broken dew]

reduced my awakening an entire point by destroying 2 consoles

[charred bridge]

Oh whoa mechanicus is mega on sale

[atomic apex]

Yeah

I am very hyped for Mechanicus 2

Wondering if they might add a DLC or something to make the Leagues playable later

[mild glen]

Rerolls and rules that let you skip steps.
Like, even just having lethal hits can be huge. Anybody that has ever charged an infantry block into torrent weapons knows how much ass they can kick

[thin ibex]

I do think the strongest rule in the game is torrent, which is why they can't put it on strong stuff. Because it let's you skip a roll

And ignore a lot of interactions

[tepid stratus]

Yeah realistically the best rules eliminate rolling which drastically improves odds of damaging. It's why torrent weapons are all low strength and random attacks and why dev wounds is on the last roll in the sequence to reduce chances of triggering

[rocky shale]

Go look at the wraithguard D-scythe

Hilarious torrent profile

[paper bluff]

I've also fully learned with custodes that enough melee Attacks and lethal hits you can take down tanks

[broken dew]

"No threat remaining"
the necron warrior standing right there

[raven meteor]

I'm so excited to try out my Sisters army and see how well the Paragons perform
Still need to learn the intricacies of TTS though 😔

[paper bluff]

Is that paragon war suits ran with morgan vaul?

[thin ibex]

lethals on tau breachers make them a swiss army knife

let me punch monsters and tanks with enough threat to make them think twice

[vital barn]

the ability to get 5+ lethals with rerolls if I push it a bit make the Mechanicus breachers excellent universal removal

very few elite units like eating 13-14 D3 autowounds

cost a fortune though

[sour sequoia]

40 acolyte hand flamers kills a warlord (:

36d6 of wound rerolling flamers at AP-1 ignoring cover gets so fucking silly

[thin ibex]

i remember two editions ago, acolytes with hand flamers were also excellent anti aircraft

lol

[sour sequoia]

They still kind of are tbh

I don’t wanna waste mining lasers on a stormraven man -1 damage ruins me

I’ll just point infinity blowtorches at it

[vital barn]

in some test skirmishes I was surprisingly pleased with the S7 pokey sticks on the Dragoons against most heavy stuff, because they have Lance

[thin ibex]

it was kinda funny, i was building a catachan theme list for a buddy, and I was laughing because it has a massive number of flamers in it, and it actually works

[vital barn]

so they wound on 4+ at worst against any reasonable target

and they get a ton of hits

[thin ibex]

demolishers with flamers, catachans with flamers, hellhounds, sentinels with flamers, heavy weapon flamer teams

just dont roll to hit

[vital barn]

hmm, my Arcuitor needs a paragon blade

might be something fun in giving him one of those curved sabres that the White Scars praetor uses for it, and then his two friends can have modified Necron polearms for Thunder Hammers

triple arcuitor is a bit of a meme unit but I am fond of it just for the style

I suppose a xenophase blade with some Mechanicum trimmings would work the best, although I'd like it to not look obviously necron

probably simple enough to greenstuff over the circles and add an opus machina plus a power circuit or two

[raven meteor]

If your talking to me, yeah!
This is the roster I'll be running with some friends in the next week
My very first army 😌

[broken dew]

oh shit i can get a Kataphron Battle Servitor?

[pale narwhal]

Yep

[broken dew]

sick

rocking up to the function with a kataphron and a kastelan

[vital barn]

kataphrons are great, I love that the Martians just go "yeah, it's got a rapid fire plasma cannon and a flamer, we churn them out as expendable fodder"

they do look a bit derpy but what can you do

[broken dew]

ok yeah i was gonna go do a hard mission but i think i'll grab that Kataphron first

oh shit wait

i can have multiple of any one unit i have???

[pale narwhal]

Yep

The limit is cognition to deploy them iirc

[atomic apex]

yeah

and the Kataphron and Castellan are both like four cog or something

[broken dew]

I have 3 canticles to give me cognition, bring on the Kastelan robots

Kastelan is 5

[viral crest]

Kataphron is 4, Kastelan is 5

[broken dew]

the Kastelan has been very good so far

[viral crest]

Or you can use the ability in the Secutor tree to deploy a unit anywhere on the map for 1

[broken dew]

that does sound

quite good

[viral crest]

3 turn cooldown and the bottom of the tree, but being able to airdrop a Kastelan anywhere on the map for 1 cog is great

[broken dew]

yeah it sounds real good

[vital barn]

honestly kind of an odd ability to give the Secutor but I'm not complaining

Lorewise Secutors are "I have personally optimised myself to be King Gunman, Bane of Astartes" and Dominus is "I am commanding all the boys"

[atomic apex]

huh, interesting that they then swapped those two functionality wise in the game

[vital barn]

not the first time someone's specified techpriest ranks mostly via vibe

but those ones are the most obvious "huh" picks

a Secutor, with the classic loadout

power axe + twin rapid-fire plasma guns

[broken dew]

i got a guy with that axe

have my one designated killy guy

i was gonna give him a heavy phosphor blaster but it costs 4 cognition to fire

and that's a bit much

[vital barn]

I am personally quite fond of that thing

[broken dew]

i have like max 6 cognition

so burning 4 of it on one attack is

a lot

[vital barn]

but it really comes into its own when you have a couple of priests just farming cognition and feeding it to the designated killsticks

[broken dew]

makes sense

[vital barn]

it's an amazing AOE, at least

press button to remove flayed one horde

[broken dew]

mhm

most of my guys are kinda generalists

i should prolly change that

[vital barn]

you may as well hand the heavy phosphor to someone because it solves a great many problems

if maybe not to your optimised duelists

[broken dew]

nothing about what i am doing is optimized

[vital barn]

eh, you get the idea

[broken dew]

fuck it, might as well give him one

[vital barn]

pretty sure my heavy phosphor guy also had all my heals, since he had a good amount of downtime when I wasn't firing the megagun

[broken dew]

oh right i did give one of my guys one

[atomic apex]

it's generally good to kit one of your guys out with all the damage buffs and big guns

and then they can just kinda obliterate half the field if they get some cog supplied by the others

with all the big AoE damage guns you can get later

[vital barn]

it also gets easier and easier to collect biscuits to fuel the squad as you go

[broken dew]

i was gonna put two heavy phosphors on my big man but then i saw the fucking cognition cost

[vital barn]

eventually you just go omnomnomnom, eat your entire bar, kill a bunch of guys and then get them all back from the corpses

[atomic apex]

yeah

[vital barn]

although double heavy phosphor is a bit much even for that

[atomic apex]

also having a Lex Mechanic around to just fill up your gauge on demand

[junior summit]

the funny part of mechanicus is that in prior versions range increases also increased AoE radius

so arc guns would hit the entire level and torsion cannons could not be safely fired

[viral crest]

Prior versions?

It still does that

[junior summit]

Oh I thought that got patched out

[past sphinx]

https://leadmountainwidow.wordpress.com/banners-and-standards-and-flags-oh-no/

incredible resource

[viral crest]

Nope!

I managed to get a good angle with a torsion cannon once, that killed every enemy on the map before the first round ended

I don't use the torsion cannon on my Dominus anymore, because it needs such a specific map setup to use without gibbing my team

[stark cypress]

I'm going to give my Kriegers so much Élan.

[stark cypress]

Also, I wish I could put this on loop.

https://youtu.be/ug_gqH1tzPk

[past sphinx]

i

i feel like theres a joke here lost in translation

why are they mariachi

[stark cypress]

Because

There is a specific space marine chapter that is entirely hispanic/Mexican coded.

The Crimson Fists

[past sphinx]

but those are dark angels

[stark cypress]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I don't know either

[floral herald]

Dark Angels collect cultural references like relics and fallen

I kind of dig the incredible maximalism of the early dark angels

[stark cypress]

Oh yeah

[floral herald]

They’ve mostly moved away from it but the Dark Angels being Native American knights templar was really wild

[stark cypress]

Oh

Oh yeah...

That

That was thing

[pastel rampart]

The mariachi thing is from the Space Hulk: Deathwing trailer years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGmmXd8r4YQ

[past sphinx]

wow that is a choice

now flamenco could work

see >ace combat players getting ptsd flashbacks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQhQijZXBO4&list=RDlQhQijZXBO4&start_radio=1

god ace combat ost's just go so fucking hard

HAVE YOU FOUND A REASON TO FIGHT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjmU93_oE7E

ten trillion to belkan nuclear development

[upper canopy]

It was a deathwing trailer reaction yeah

[tranquil ivy]

do i buy this..

like im unsure if i should

its fitting for the Dusk Wyrms cuz chaos but idk if it'd make folks mad 👁️

[raven meteor]

I feel like it'd take a very particular individual to get mad at tyranid gore? Like, uhhhhhhhh
I get the 'ha ha me hate your faction' angle that can cause offense, but tyranid mooks yknow
Won't be missed
They're kind of there to become mulch

[tranquil ivy]

I meant more the Crucifixion part to it. Im a Tyranid fan myself lol

[raven meteor]

I think everything with the Ecclesiarchy has already made those who have feelings about religious imagery feel a certain kind of way

[tranquil ivy]

[tranquil ivy]

more chaos

same character, new look

[tranquil ivy]

big difference

[tranquil ivy]

Kulve the Forsaken, Ex-Captain of the second company, now leader of the Drake Guard squadron

Gone from a Vulkan Hestan proxy to a Judiciar

[junior robin]

almost forgot it was Tuesday

Finally, more Vulkan confirmation.

who else uses fire filled with the faces of the damned.

[broken dew]

Clearly it's gonna be horseless headless Ferrus Manus leading the Legion of the Damned

[hearty wasp]

I once came up with an unhinged idea: What if the God Emperor was Archaon.

[floral herald]

That is pretty unhinged

[mild glen]

Tzeentch Flamer refresh.

[desert jay]

But why not give him a horse?

Fuck it lets even give the primarch a pony instead so he can look like Radahn from Elden Ring

[broken dew]

headless horsemann Ferrus Manus leading the Legion of the Damned

[broken dew]

i was referencing the Horseless Headless Horsemann

[raven meteor]

I made some edits to my army, and took the chance to change their TTS models to Bloody Rose 😌

[upper bluff]

The arcoflagellants are so tiny lol

[little bay]

looks nice

[tranquil ivy]

chat holy shit

Kulve has aura now for once, lol

[topaz elk]

How many marines were in the original legions?

[soft willow]

Yes? Yes.

[topaz elk]

Lol

[vital barn]

all of them spent the entire Heresy recruiting like mad and losing as many or more

so we don't really know

but numbers we have vary from about 90k to about 250k per legion at the outbreak of the Heresy, with the Thousand Sons being the smallest and the Ultramarines the largest

[stark cypress]

Along with that, some legionaries either went mercenary, bandit, or...became a LARPER.

[vital barn]

call it about 2.5-3 million Marines alive at the time it all started to go down

[topaz elk]

Goddamn

[wary cape]

Does anyone have any imperial knights lore for me?

I'm kinda hyper fixating on them at the moment

But lore on them seems scares compared to any other faction

[soft willow]

Have you read Assassinorum: Kingmaker yet?

[wary cape]

I have not

[soft willow]

https://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/novels/assassinorum-kingmaker-ebook-eng-2022.html

[wary cape]

This is all the 40K I know aside from a few other lore videos

And 1 game as imperial knights

[soft willow]

Imperial assassins get involved in politics on an Imperial Knight world, and then plot happens.

Good fun and worth a read.

[wary cape]

Nice

Thanks

[soft willow]

IIRC there's a couple of Freeblade novels as well.

[stark cypress]

_>

[wary cape]

Yeah a freeblade novel makes sense

[stark cypress]

Gonna have to ask my local GW store if they have any of that in stock.

(They're an hour away from me)

(Dare I go and brave the hour drive again through a highway that has truck traffic 24/7)

[wary cape]

How many Armigers do you have?

Can always do with a couple more

[stark cypress]

No knights.

Feet sloggers only

I believe well in the power of the PBI to destroy anything.

[wary cape]

That's something a secret knight would say though

[stark cypress]

I believe that any man-at-arms given the proper motivation and weapons can fell any foul, corrupted machine.

Believe!

BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF MAN!!!!

[wary cape]

I also believe in the power of man, its just my men come in big robots

[soft willow]

Flesh is weak. All of you need the Omnissiah's guidance.

[stark cypress]

Didn't your church almost unleash Necron's upon us all?

Or was that the Inquisition?

Wait, no, that was the Cult Mechanicus.

[soft willow]

Guilliman said we could.

[stark cypress]

I feel like the Honored Primarch would say otherwise.

Now, this man, I can believe would say yes to it

https://tenor.com/view/tts-warhammer-40000-40k-belisarius-gif-21861517

[soft willow]

Cawl is just having a little tech-heresy, as a treat.

[stark cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-17101711

https://tenor.com/view/really-what-squint-chicken-gif-15168180

[soft willow]

https://tenor.com/view/admech-techpriest-good-varlet-hadron-omega-7-7-hadron-omega-gif-10325245944154593888

[stark cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/sass-ron-swanson-parks-and-rec-dont-sass-me-gif-14778028

https://tenor.com/view/its-always-sunny-mac-i-object-no-chill-patronize-gif-8643041

[soft willow]

https://tenor.com/view/mechanicus-techpriest-warhammer-machine-spirit-omnissiah-gif-20384129

[stark cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-warhammer40k-vraks-siege-of-vraks-death-korps-gif-20931228

[soft willow]

https://tenor.com/view/techpriest-warhammer40k-adeptus-mechanicus-engineer-warhammer-gif-16970017

[stark cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/mico-swag-gif-27191740

If I were to buy tiny jewelry chains.

How can I use them to make like, uh, improvised chainmail for my Kriegers?

Because I'm thinking of doing like three tiny rows for some of the shoulder plate.

And for some reason, I wanna do like a mail veil for all of them?

[soft willow]

Possible, but there might be easier ways to build that than jewlery chain.

[floral herald]

I think it would be easier to do mail with modeling putty

Hanging chains are easy to do and look good though yeah

[stark cypress]

I know right?

It's because I saw grimdark compendium get some jewelry chain to addon as armor

[rocky shale]

You can do it but you kinda have to freeze it with glue to keep it from scratching all its own paint off

[stark cypress]

Yeah, my idea was to get a small row and glue with superglue on my primed mini and then prime the chains.

[valid brook]

Using the business end of a pin to poke semi-regular rows of holes into a layer of green stuff is the move for mail imho

[stark cypress]

Yeah

But, you see, I'm extra.

And it would be so funny to tell people that the highly detailed mail on a krieger is actually a jewelry chain.

[jaunty dawn]

you can get stamps for chainmail

but using chains for scale modelling is a tried and true method

[stark cypress]

What wait

there are stamps for chain mail????

Is this from the people who do the goblin stamps??

[pastel rampart]

They're called texture plates and the main producer of these is Greenstuff World who I'm afraid to say it both scummy and racist.

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah they’re 3d rather than stamping ink

But yeah avoid gsw

[stark cypress]

Oh wow

That sucks

Bad paint companies aside.

I really, really want to buy some MIG paints.

[raven meteor]

Is anyone here familiar with the TTS integration of 40k? I suspect it's wigging out with my army
The notes it tells you to read says to additive load your map and hit the buttons that appear, which works fine, then additive load your army, which will cause buttons to appear to select side
But when I load my army, it just spawns into map center with no buttons

[charred bridge]

I did a heretic ending for Rogue Trader game and its such a funny ending with the Master of Lies you meet at the start || he gets very pissy that the daemon of Tzcheench he's been doing this all for deceived him and was willing to side with me against him||

The hubris involved is wild even for 40k

[floral herald]

This might be the army yeah

[raven meteor]

I wiped the data on the units, re-scripted them with Yellowscribe in forceorg, and tried again, and the same thing happened
I then went 'well that's probably supposed to happen'
Do you know what a 'successful load' looks like?

[past sphinx]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Olty_pfqYhY?si=lbiq2lt9A04zxhEN

[past sphinx]

they made a Honsou model for black library

i was very suprised to hear this

turns out it was a 2005 limited black library diarama and BOY

brother looks rough

[rose hill]

https://bsky.app/profile/dragoncobolt.bsky.social/post/3map3mp5ydc2o

Dragon Cobolt (@dragoncobolt.bsky.social)

There is a youtube video called "how to play skaven" that has the single funniest image ever created for any youtube video in the history of the universe and @fsohns.bsky.social needs to see it

Bluesky · Dec 24, 2025, 1:15 AM

[pale narwhal]

that's an accurate assessment of how to play skaven in total war warhammer 3

[still warren]

Remember the abc's of playing skaven

Always be calling in a nuke

[pale narwhal]

always be causing friendly fire*

*it's summons so it doesn't matter, I'm a proponent of the 3-plague-priest frontline to spam out summons rather than a frontline of regular clanrats

[stark cypress]

Update

need the lens next

Oh let me crop that a bit

[stark cypress]

And done

[vital barn]

enginseers can throw hands, apparently

if I lose one ironstrider he's up to 7 attacks, hitting on 3+, S6 AP-3 D2

local enginseer kills entire space marine squad

[broken dew]

Based

[wide veldt]

Learning that Warhammer fantasy came first has rocked my fucking world for some reason

[desert jay]

It originally wasn’t even called Warhammer Fantasy, it was just called Warhammer!

[jaunty dawn]

I think the fantasy subtitle mostly comes from whfrp

[candid socket]

Isn't it technically Warhammer Fantasy Battle?

[desert jay]

Well the original subtitle of the first edition was The Mass Combat Fantasy Role-Playing Game

[jaunty dawn]

Like the logo title was always just Warhammer

But whfb is a thing, true

[desert jay]

And then was “… Fantasy Battles” for the second edition

There was also Warhammer Ancient Battles for a time

[wide veldt]

It’s just always felt like 40k was the mainline and fantasy was the spinoff
It really got SMTd lmao

[wide veldt]

Oh?

[desert jay]

Yeah there was a historical game with like Roman and Medieval armies and such

[sour sequoia]

Partially because GW managed it like shit forever

Total War is like. The most playable it’s ever been

[jaunty dawn]

Idk if there was a game but gw did doctor who minis for a bit

[stark cypress]

Oh yeah

Though, that Chapterhouse lawsuit pretty much is and still is affecting how they do things.

[tired cairn]

I'm still surprised every time I am reminded that they do LotR minis

[stark cypress]

For example, they have a copyright on The Deathkorps of Krieg.

But they do not have a copyright on "vaguely futuristic WW1 soldiers".

That's why if you go on Mini, you can see distaff counterparts of Kriegers everywhere.

[tired cairn]

It's why they have the "no mini, no rules" policy now

[stark cypress]

Yep

[vital barn]

highly annoying policy

[raven meteor]

Warhammer is classic fantasy if very dark
40k is like
Unique and very visually striking
Which also helps it I think

[vital barn]

they are more relaxed on it in HH because the fanbase would kill them if they weren't

but in 40k it has killed a lot of fun stuff

[stark cypress]

That

and also the once thriving 40K fan animations.

The finale for TTS is something I still mourn.

[charred bridge]

The biggest fumble really

[pastel rampart]

Ugh.

[wary cape]

More blessings

[jaunty dawn]

Hmm

[raven meteor]

I guess
Of all the models to turn out like that,,

[tranquil ivy]

looks perfectly usable to me

[pastel rampart]

If the hand had printed out, maybe.

As it is I gotta try and print it again.

[raven meteor]

😔

[pastel rampart]

I think I'll give it to my friend who I know would take this as a challenge (they also have a resin printer so, y'know)

[charred bridge]

It'd be perfect for those 3d printer pens and just sloppily fix it for nurgle bumpsn

[pastel rampart]

I'm taking a second stab at printing this half of the model with a different orientation. I had this printed with the flat side down (facing my hand there) thinking it'd cut down on time and other potential issues. Which uh, nope lol.

[little bay]

slimnoid

what do you think of the Steel ball run trailer

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-jojos-bizarre-adventure-steel-ball-run-gif-25168634

Excited, mostly.

[little bay]

i must agree with you

i also loved the shot of gyro from below

he just looks so deranged

and the music is good aswell

[charred bridge]

Jojo in the Christian book section

[little bay]

i mean

technically

[charred bridge]

Jesus a plot point in steel ball run

[little bay]

i am aware

the saints corpse

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/137224529201201152/1453484867039002865/603750070_10236306131127347_1428834702512720881_n.png?ex=694d9ec4&is=694c4d44&hm=b3aa23b14a061ece30c2d1cd7540f8f98a77e628f9d1151dc146c43152e5c799&

[stark cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-40k-spacemarine2-heresy-heretic-gif-15781539930698202487

https://tenor.com/view/bergionstyle-spacemarine-templars-black-dance-gif-5961237725801816897

https://tenor.com/view/black-templar-sister-of-battle-warhammer-40k-dancing-space-marine-gif-16084334959388278613

[pastel rampart]

Ah, the nozzle clogged. No wonder.

Took two more failed prints to notice that lmao.

[wide veldt]

OH!

If yall haven’t been paying attention

The last two DLC companions for rogue trader game were semi-announced

Something involving one of Trazyn’s vaults

And it seems like a space hulk??

[junior summit]

the processional isn't a space hulk it's a cursed star with a whole bunch of wrecked starships orbiting it

[broken dew]

the Processional of the Damned is

a HORRIBLE place

[junior summit]

yeah it's very cursed

[broken dew]

it's like, a small system with a bunch of planets

[junior summit]

curse readings are off the charts

[broken dew]

and the closer you get to the center

the worse it is

[junior summit]

there are space hulks in there iirc

[broken dew]

i think it's honestly low-key worse than going to the Ghoul Stars

[broken dew]

there is an entire planet that is nothing but dead ships

[junior summit]

the ghoul stars are just mysterious and empty, aren't they?

[past sphinx]

its free ships!

[junior summit]

and the flayed ones

[broken dew]

no the Ghoul stars are full of horrid monsters

also like

8 full chapters bit the dust trying to stop something called the "Pale Wasting" coming out of there

[past sphinx]

Barghesi live in da ghoul stars i think

[broken dew]

which was some apocalyptic shit

iirc the Novamarines were the only survivors

[past sphinx]

and theres an entire chapter devouted to just fighting them and keeping the nids away from em

[broken dew]

Much of the extant evidence relating to this threat has been censored or purposely destroyed, but there are contradictory indications which describe the nature of the threat as both a "Star-spawned plague" that swept away scores of worlds and as "Nightmare engines" slaughtering the worlds of entire sectors. The Novamarines Chapter took part in the campaign to quell the threat of the Pale Wasting, and though this is one of the Chapter's earliest recorded battle honours, the Chapter's own chronicles are curiously empty of any reference to this conflict.

i sure do love STAR-SPAWNED PLAGUE and NIGHTMARE ENGINE

[junior summit]

11 chapters not 8

[broken dew]

right

[past sphinx]

"shits so fucked we aint gonna write it down"

[broken dew]

11 full chapters outright got annihilated in the Ghoul Stars

full on just gone

[junior summit]

though the processional is survivable

[broken dew]

i mean

[junior summit]

you just....well okay you survive it by fucking off and not going too close to the obviously cursed everything

[broken dew]

no

if you're there you are also just

fucked

[junior summit]

no? people escape the processional

[broken dew]

no i meant the Processional

[junior summit]

it's a whole thing in the rogue trader RPG the players can visit it

[broken dew]

isn't the only access point a eldar webway portal

[junior summit]

hold on I'm going to go check the book

[past sphinx]

if i was trapped in the processional i would simply hold down the gas drink a few beers and let god decide

[broken dew]

but yeah the Processional of the Damned and the Ghoul Stars are two places you survive by leaving

with expeditious pace

[past sphinx]

drunk driving isnt a crime in space hell

and the ghosts cant get you when your doing space donuts

[broken dew]

the Death Spectres are the ones guarding the Ghoul Stars

they're the Bene Gesserit space marines

and their chapter master is diet Big E

[broken dew]

`When Megir Merrin Corcaedus first swore his oath of office before the Emperor and placed his blade at the foot of the Golden Throne, he received a vision from the Emperor Himself. This vision led him to the world of Occludus and the mysterious artefact known as the Shariax, the Throne of Glass.

Little is known of its purpose and nothing of its origins. The Shariax is an archaic throne, contained in an ancient, secret dome, called the "Temple of Voices," deep beneath the planet's surface, and directly underneath the Chapter's fortress-monastery of Logopol.

The Throne of Glass is where the Megir rules Occludus and the Chapter, but it is also where he will inevitably die. All Megir of the Death Spectres, upon taking that position within the Chapter, ascend the Throne of Glass the same day as they take their oaths of office. Upon sitting upon the Shariax, they never rise again, and only rarely communicate with the Chapter, and when they do, only with a few select members.`

[past sphinx]

i love thomas macks idea of the bargi boys

[broken dew]

they literally have a magic throne that their chapter master sits in

[broken dew]

and it enhances their psychic powers

but it slowly turns them into glass

so their chapter master, or Megir as they are called, are very diet Big E

they are also always the leader of their librarius

since they have to be psykers to sit on the fucked up evil chair

Over the millennia, the Death Spectres have been preparing for the Cadash, which translates to "Living Chalice," someone of great significance who, upon taking their place upon the Shariax, will bring about the "Great Resurrection." The leadership of the Death Spectres has apparently been sowing the seeds of fate to bring about the Cadash's rise throughout the Chapter's history.

also they have a messiah sorta

[junior summit]

though also the Processional is in a specific category of places I call "obviously cursed" where it's pretty apparent when you get there that the best thing to do is to be Elsewhere

like the cursed ship in the RT game

[broken dew]

Yeah it's

Very obvious

Even before the evil psychic ghosts that drive you insane start manifesting

The whole thing is built around an evil star

[junior summit]

but also that there are evil psychic ghosts is pretty clear

[broken dew]

It's tremendously FUBAR

[junior summit]

the drawings and the description of the Processional are just "nope place is haunted time to leave" even before anything really happens

[broken dew]

Yup

It just looks evil

Inherently

The first part of the Processional is

And i shit you not

Called "The Damned Gateway"

And it's an old eldar webway portal that nobody wants to go near

The first layer after the portal is a debris field full of presumably thousands or tens of thousands of smaller ships

First thing you see when you get there is a door saying DO NOT ENTER

Behind the door is a mass grave

Both of these DLC's seem like visits to some top ten "don't fucking go there" locations

The Galleries of Solemnace and the Processional of the Damned

[junior summit]

In fairness the trader visits a number of other top tens

[broken dew]

I've not played the game yet

Been doing a 1-60 run of WoW Classic with friends

We're gonna play Rogue Trader after

[junior summit]

It's fun

Character building can get a little overwhelming but also the game is charitably speaking not difficult with a little optimization

[broken dew]

We're doing a 4 player run i think so that'll be interesting

I wanna remember we checked and it had multiplayer

I'm gonna be a Psyker of course

Straight up peril-ing it, and by it, lets just say my warp

[atomic apex]

I had no idea it had coop tbh

but apparently it does

[broken dew]

Yeah

[wide veldt]

Oh wow

Didn’t know about the processional stuff

I wonder what the companion from it will be

[broken dew]

Might get some Hollow Men lore

[wide veldt]

ALSO apperantly people have detained the trazyn companion

Detained

DATAMINER

ITS REAL

Anyway

Dorky techno archaeologist

And romanceable apperantly

[deft crest]

Don't give me hope

That would rule lmao

But also kinda suck since i love necrons being totally unknowable from the outside

[broken dew]

Bust into his house and he just follows you around

[wide veldt]

Oh no it’s a Mechanicus girly

[deft crest]

ohhhhh

Sorry when you said Trayzn

[wide veldt]

Oh yeah very fair

[atomic apex]

based

[viral crest]

What's the difference between a technoarchaeologist and an Explorator, actually?

[wide veldt]

Also the trazyn dlc having a special mechanic for cybernetics sounds rad

[broken dew]

Would be crazy if Trazyn showed up at some point

[wide veldt]

Spoilers for RT: ||I’ve heard whispers there’s already Necrons in it||

[broken dew]

Though i think you're kinda cooked if that happens

[wide veldt]

I mean tbh

You could reasonably make him a boss fight

Since like

[broken dew]

You're going in a Tesseract Vault lol

[wide veldt]

He can’t canonically die

[broken dew]

Yeah but

You running from him

In HIS gallery

Unlikely

[wide veldt]

Okay yeah a set piece where he’s a horror monster

Would rock

Just HEY DONT BE THERE

WHEN HE SHOWS IP

[broken dew]

Yeah that would be cool

[wide veldt]

I’m really hoping for a non-eldar Xenos companion

For the second dlc

But also I will absolutely take another mech person since

[broken dew]

Not really much there aside from Hollow Men

[wide veldt]

I kinda hate Pasqal’s gameplay gimmicks

[broken dew]

And scavengers maybe

[wide veldt]

OH

I just got the arbites in it

He’s

Really strong

And also cool as fuck because you outrank him so you can just like

Relentlessly troll him

[wide veldt]

A hollow man companion would be fucking insane

[broken dew]

Don't go to the Processional :)

[wide veldt]

Aren’t they implied to be men of iron

[junior summit]

See I had the opposite reaction where Pasqal is an autotake and Solomourne is kinda meh

[broken dew]

Mfw "things" of turbulent nature start showing up

[junior summit]

though I also am of the opinion that the dog is the weakest familiar

[wide veldt]

My auto takes are abelard

For obvious reasons

[junior summit]

abelard stops introducing you though

[wide veldt]

And Kibbles because she’s my wife

[atomic apex]

😔

[wide veldt]

(And I have a really insanely gross bleed build on her)

[junior summit]

My usual party was ||Argenta, Pasqal, Jae, Ulfar, Cassia||

and yeah bladedancer/executioner is busted

[atomic apex]

I love Cassia
both mechanically and as a character

[junior summit]

they hit bladedancer like four separate times with nerfs and it's still ridiculous

[wide veldt]

The only problem with kibbles is that

She’s made of paper

[junior summit]

kibellah's taking hits?

[wide veldt]

And also I have trouble getting her into position

[junior summit]

how

[wide veldt]

Yeah idk if I’m using her right

Usually people shooting her

[junior summit]

you should be clearing encounters on the first activation

[wide veldt]

Elaborate

I don’t think I’m very good at character building in RT lol

Other than my MC who is such a disgusting sniper Yrliet is vestigial

[junior summit]

use grand tactician officer to give kibellah 2 actions for setup, then you should be able to activate your ult, buff kibellah, use grand tactician ult to give kibellah a super turn, the only thing that should survive beyond that point is bosses with an invuln phase

[wide veldt]

Oh yeah I’ve been kinda trying to avoid cheesing too hard

[junior summit]

and because grand tactician always activates first you can clear every encounter turn 1

[wide veldt]

IE I didn’t make my RT an officer

[atomic apex]

you can also use Jae or Cassia for it

[junior summit]

I didn't find a need for a RT officer because you'll have jae or cassia around as skillbots

[wide veldt]

Is grand tact the one with the zones

[junior summit]

yes

[atomic apex]

yeah

[wide veldt]

Or with the stacks

Oh I have Pascal as that which I’ve been thinking about reworking

I have cassia as an overseer because I wanted to focus on her navigator stuff

And the eagle is

REALLY GOD DAMN STRONG

[junior summit]

Pasqal does not do grand tactician stuff well imo

and cassia does

[wide veldt]

Yeah

I v much did that my first playthrough

I’ve kinda been enjoying the challenge of not abusing the shit out of the extra turns

Given I just cleared the heartless on Core I think I’m doing okay tho

That fight is scary as fuck btw

Fuck that psyker

Can you change peoples base classes

When you rework them

[junior summit]

no

[wide veldt]

Mmm

Damn

[junior summit]

they're reverted to whatever they were at when you picked them up

[wide veldt]

I really don’t like the diviner as an operative lmao

[junior summit]

idira's fine as an operative but she really benefits from the psyber raven because it makes perils not kill her

[wide veldt]

Yeah that’s what I have her as

I have 3 people with overseer lmao

Ngl the main thing that will be nice when all the DLC are out is more archetype variety

There’s so many fucking companions

[junior summit]

there's already a good deal of archetype variety imo

[wide veldt]

Also

Henrix

Good lord he is a struggle to make good

[junior summit]

?

executioner, give him a chainsaw

[wide veldt]

Other than the healing from biomancer

[junior summit]

or force sword + pistol archmilitant stuff

[wide veldt]

I might respec some people lol

This game is

So complicated

In a way better way than the pathfinder games mind

[junior summit]

argenta is also turbo busted rn

[wide veldt]

But there’s so much choice in builds and everything has 1 billion mechanics LMAO

oh yeah I’m aware

[junior summit]

give her a heavy bolter and she will one turn literally everything without invuln phases

[wide veldt]

I have her as archmilitant with a heavy binder

Bolter

The only problem is anything that survives… REALLY fucking hates her

[junior summit]

and even with invuln phases I've skipped boss invuln phases with her because of high single attack damage

[wide veldt]

The necklace that makes bolter single attacks is fucking busted as hell

With the gunner ult

[junior summit]

oh you don't need blessed bolter casing

[wide veldt]

Okay so here’s a question

[junior summit]

like it's good but later game there's a number of better options

[wide veldt]

How do you keep all the like… 100 mechanics characters end up accumulating straight

[junior summit]

?

There's pasqal, abel, the mechanicus trader and that's basically everyone you'll interact with on a regular basis

[wide veldt]

I feel like everyone ends up having so many passives and stuff lol

No no I mean like

[junior summit]

oh mechanics

broadly speaking I pick mechanics that I already use in the normal routine

so argenta gets a bunch of skills that boost boltering things and then I just make sure to bolter people

my rogue trader went psyker bladedancer so I pick a bunch of self-buffs and run around stabbing people that kind of thing

[wide veldt]

[junior summit]

accumulating utility skills is how you end up with characters who can do a little of everything but nothing well

[wide veldt]

My RT is a sniper who is Crime Boss/Operative/Bounty Hunter

Which has been working out tremendously well

Stack 1 billion damage increases lol

Okay so you seem like you’ve played a bit
Does the game’s difficulty go bananas like the pathfinder owlcat games later on

Or is it more reasonable

Like can I be a little unoptimized and not get my shit pushed in

OH sorry the female mechanicus lady I was talking about looks like she was datamined from dark heresy

Not from RT

Maybe there will be a necron fella

[junior summit]

built correctly it gets incredibly easy after chapter 3 on basically any difficulty

idk how you're defining a little unoptimized here

[wide veldt]

Uhhhh trying my best lmao

Only characters I’m confident I will never need to reclass are argenta and abelard

[sour sequoia]

I’m late to this but there’s like seven or eight Raven Guard successors chillin in the ghoul stars lmao

[rocky shale]

Executioner heinrix is insane

[rocky shale]

And uh yeah there's a ton of items in ch3/4 that are insanely busted

Such as an item for psykers that gives them +1 psy rating for one round every time they dodge. Yes you can use controlled shot with argenta to auto dodge every shot but still get the stacks, yes you can use iconoclast rank 5 to turn off friendly fire from your RT, yes you can hit like 50+ psy rating and one shot basically anything that doesn't have a hp gating mechanic.

[junior summit]

or actually oneshot depending on what build specifically

you can skip health gates with big enough hits

[rocky shale]

There's a couple where you can't like the final boss iirc

[junior summit]

I forget if the final boss is skippable but the void shadows boss definitely is

[rocky shale]

Yeah

[wide veldt]

The void shadows boss that’s ||definitely genestealers||

[junior summit]

yeah

[wide veldt]

I managed to do the astropath fight without losing any fellas

[junior summit]

if you hit it hard enough you skip the invuln phases

[wide veldt]

That shit was

ROGUE

*ROUGH

I haven’t gotten to the next phase yet but

It’s extremely obvious

What it is

Which makes it all the funnier when the entire ship is like WOW WHAT COULD THAT SYMBOL MEAN

I appreciate that they at least have the forethought to like

Just describe the symbol

And not show it to you

[dense sedge]

What’s this from?

[wide veldt]

Space marine 2

[mild glen]

Hey, is there a resource for the Eldar alphabet somewhere? I need to put some names on some Drukhari boats when I get 'em

I'd much rather say stuff like "The Camoragh Charlatan is going to open fire on..." than "this Reaver here is gunna shoot..."

[floral herald]

There's some scattered stuff on the lexicon but nothing as complete as an alphabet I think

[pastel rampart]

Chaos is the only one that got a full alphabet, I think.

https://eldar.arhicks.co.uk/miscellaneous/eldar_runes.php

[mild glen]

Tau did as well https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/T'au_Lexicon

[strong owl]

scrungle

[runic swallow]

Scrungloids!

[wide veldt]

@junior summit so are grand strategist abilities actually any good or does its value entirely derive from always being at top of intiative

Also I respeced pasqal into being an assassin and Henry into an executioner

[junior summit]

pasqal imo does best at being a bounty hunter because he doesn't really have the mobility to do assassin stuff

probably should have said as much my bad

[junior summit]

the abilities are solid, the zones provide consistent buffs but a lot of it is being at the top of the initiative + stat buffs

there's a reason why the normal first zone skill is the "random but free zone buff" one

cassia in particular usually just drops the zones then casts navigator powers + extra turn

lidless stare is unironically busted esp w/ the daemon tool and being able to drop two in a row with a devastating staff can wipe out most encounters until like act 3 or so

[wide veldt]

Fair, but you can always do the thing that creates an opening where u are looking

And oh yea lidless stare is weirdly cranked

Balance wise Navi abilities def should have proccd perils and stuff lmao

An opening facing you rather

He would make a good BH tho yeah w plasma and melts AOEs potentially killing multiple prey at once

[tired cairn]

Ah, but what if instead they did the opposite

[charred bridge]

And the one talent that reduces veil every time you use a navigator ability, not today perils of the warp

[floral herald]

This has always been a bit of a sore spot lore wise when navigators are in game

Using the Eye is just super strong and also pretty safe

[tired cairn]

Which is weird because you wouldn't think "opening that leads directly into the warp" would be safe

[desert jay]

Turns out it's pretty safe for the Navigator! Not so much for everyone else nearby

Mind you, I suspect it's only as safe as it is because of thousands of years of selection pressure

[paper bluff]

Navigators are possibly the most numerous stable warp users

[paper bluff]

And selective breeding

[vital barn]

navigators do get a little backlash from murdering people with the warp eye

the one in the Night Lords trilogy has a giant panic attack the first time it happens and then when called to do it a lot later she beams a few people, passes out from the strain and then Talos picks her up, holds her eye open and uses her as an unconscious death laser for the rest of the scene

[rocky shale]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/dusvlufn/grotmas-calendar-day-25-huron-blackheart-strides-forth-from-the-maelstrom/

He's baaaaaack!

[past sphinx]

MACK DADDY

[desert jay]

I said selection pressure, I didn't specify the manner of said selection :p

[vital barn]

I like this Huron Blackheart

even if he looks a bit like Lucius in cosplay because of that expression

[paper bluff]

Good for Huron, blackheart. Finally, getting a new model.

[rocky shale]

He has exploded face syndrome, be nice

[paper bluff]

Well, when you can literally see somebody's soul leaving their body. I imagine it affects you some

[vital barn]

Lucius has salami face syndrome

so same applies

[desert jay]

Watched the trailer, oh no he's rad

[paper bluff]

Exploded everything syndrome really

[vital barn]

I like that his little gremlin familiar is making a return from the Night Lords trilogy

[paper bluff]

These held together with spit and spite

[vital barn]

he was great in that

[past sphinx]

finally another model to base with lamenters beneath them

[broken dew]

Whats up with his power claw

[past sphinx]

free melta

[vital barn]

flamer, I think

[past sphinx]

ah shit yeah flamer

[rocky shale]

Hes the best csm character hands down

[valid brook]

He keeps that mf thang on him

[broken dew]

Does he have the fucking mitten pattern one they gave to the new Cataphracts

[vital barn]

his is a custom job, if I remember correctly

[vital barn]

currently he's an 80pt support HQ, this model makes him look rather cooler than that but I appreciate his game

[broken dew]

The one on the new model looks similar to what i saw of the new cataphract

[rocky shale]

I could see a datasheet glow up for 11th

[broken dew]

It looks a bit mitten like

[vital barn]

also he looked cooler as a loyalist, sorry

love the double claw setup with the offhand flamer

I like that he's a strategist more than a beatstick, myself

[broken dew]

Like so

[vital barn]

more support HQs should have really badass models

[rocky shale]

I mean his melee profile is far from weak

[vital barn]

old Huron, for reference

[broken dew]

Yeah that looks more like a proper gauntlet

[rocky shale]

He also makes legionaires OC3

[desert jay]

I dig support HQs that will win if you send the cheapest deep strikey thing you have at them (eg. Guard Aquillons)

[rocky shale]

Aquilions do have a melta that could pop him if you lose the coin flip iirc

Buuut he's usually gonna be in a brick of dudes

[wide veldt]

oh that’s just like

A result of opening the eye?

[broken dew]

Talos Valcoran my GOAT

Using a unconscious navigator as a death beam is so fucking funny

[tired cairn]

The eye is a direct portal to the gate so opening it is really bad news for anyone in the area that isn't the navigator

Cassia is unperturbed by murdering people with her lidless stare, so maybe she's just more of a psychopath

[pastel rampart]

For the life of me I can't find it but there's an old White Dwarf (3rd or possibly 4th edition era) that had a custom conversion of Huron before he got an official model.

[upper canopy]

https://youtu.be/E10PkVk5AZ0?si=K87ZRqFk4NShh9FT

[upper bluff]

The article says that there will be more models joining him in 2026 so I wonder if that means csm 11th launch box or maybe they're biting the bullet and giving us renegade space marines

[past sphinx]

her-on black-heart more like James wokeshop am i right

[past sphinx]

finally primaris chaos marines

[upper bluff]

I'm only half joking when I say that's what I'm expecting lol

If renegade space marines ever happen we're either getting primaris renegades or some brand new marine armor so there isn't an incentive to use 30k models for old marine style on renegades

[finite compass]

VA deserves a bonus for that

On top of the 'i got a melta to my face so they had to rebuild it' distortion effect

Just

😩 👌

[wide veldt]

What is the difference between renegade and chaos space marine

[upper bluff]

They don't use the chaos stuff basically

No possessed and things. Right now the only real renegade space marines are just lore stuff

Even red corsairs have been placed on the "idk they probably use chaos magic" category

[tepid stratus]

Basically a soup of loyalist and CSM stuff with the extreme ends filed off (daemon engines, possessed, loyalist chapter specific stuff)

[upper bluff]

You could probably argue that nightlords are renegade space marines, right?

[finite compass]

Red Corsairs have been full chaos since their inception, I thought

[finite compass]

No

[tepid stratus]

Red corsairs do use chaos sorcery but they're on the "I totally won't be a corrupted slave by using this" cope

[upper bluff]

Too much baby flaying or do they explicitly worship chaos?

[finite compass]

You don't need to explicitly worship Chaos to be corrupted by it

[tepid stratus]

Some night lords explicitly worship

[finite compass]

Even in the Night Lords trilogy the Warband's leader was possessed/on his way to becoming a Daemon Prince

[tepid stratus]

The death of saints was a khorne champion for example

[finite compass]

And Uzas was going full Khorne crazy

And that's on the far end for 'we don't use Chaos'

[upper bluff]

Ah ok cool. I'm not an expert on the nightlords trilogy I've just heard about the "they're kinda resourceless bums" parts

[finite compass]

Depend on the Warband

You have resourceless bums

You have guys who have signed on with Abaddon explicitly for the resources that brings

[upper bluff]

Honestly the idea of being resourceless bums is what interests me about renegade space marines.

[tepid stratus]

And then there's the crazies who actively create and use warptalons

[finite compass]

The largest Night Lords Warband is explictly led by a Daemon Prince

But Night Lords are no longer anything resembling an organized legion. They've pretty conclusively shattered.

[upper bluff]

I like the image of space marines with broken armor still having to use it in battle because your armor missing a pauldron and having a hole in its chest is still better than nothing

[finite compass]

Or do the Trilogy thing where they explicitly scavenge replacement parts from loyalists/other renegades

And ritually deface it

[upper bluff]

Yeah that's cool

[tepid stratus]

That's basically what the situation was for the blood Angels renegades in Red Angel who were trying to join up with the world eaters

[upper bluff]

Like genestealer urban warfare scavenged together weapons and armor space marine armies could be cool to see one day

[finite compass]

Ashen Claws, maybe

[tepid stratus]

Well if the focus is on red corsairs we could finally see the bikes and transports get redone

Reintroduce bike lords and have a very mobile army style

[upper bluff]

True that'd be cool

[finite compass]

Bring Back Bike Berserkers

[upper bluff]

I could see a 11th edition launch box be new primaris bikes vs new chaos bikes

Both factions have kinda sad bikes for opposite reasons

[runic swallow]

God I love the Night Lords trilogy, absolute dirtbags shitheads

[finite compass]

https://cbsky.app/profile/andycruns.bsky.social/post/3matd55vts22v

[upper bluff]

Oh I forgot that red corsairs operate around ultramar

Adding that to my reasons for 11th launch box

[runic swallow]

And yeah Night Lords warbands run the gamut from pretty well supplied due to strategic alliances or from long built up stockpiles, to guys who are actively looting ammo from their enemies mid-combat and trying to get just enough stuff from the current raid to keep them going until they can find their next target

Almost all of them will still be going after soft targets, it just depends how they go about it and also how many desperate risks they’re willing to take

If they’re ever in a drawn out, stand-up fight they’ve seriously fucked up and tend not to do well

[tired cairn]

Hopefully Night Lords are the CSM faction if they get added to DoW4. To keep on the thieving faction theme it has going on so far

[runic swallow]

Also, don’t like what they did with Huron’s face

[past sphinx]

hes had a little cosmetic surgery

[runic swallow]

I more mean that his head on the mini looks too wide and why is his mouth like that

[charred bridge]

Or

[stark cypress]

Merry Sanguinala!

EMPEROR'S BLESSING TO YOU ALL!