Warhammer and Such

[tired cairn]

Which are on Dragoons, but said dragoons do not dismount for combat 🤔

[jaunty dawn]

I don't think there are any power lances though

[dense idol]

can you please elaborate on this, i want to hear the tea

this sounds utterly deranged without context- actually, no, it's probably even more deranged with context

[jaunty dawn]

clearly they just inherited dragoon as a title even though their tactics changed

for regimental continuity

ignore the fact that charging things with a pointy stick is older than shooting things

[vital barn]

really the actual horsemen should be called dragoons because they have sabres and carbines

the lancers are lancers

[jaunty dawn]

carabinier

sydonian curiasser

there is a gun dragoon tbf but it's pintle mounted and sorta odd

he's like a sniper?

[tired cairn]

Maybe not on Mars!

[jaunty dawn]

oh I think shining spears have laser lances

[tired cairn]

And a star lance apparently

[jaunty dawn]

ohhh

[tired cairn]

You'd think they'd be using spears

[jaunty dawn]

the new khan dude has one

but it's a named one called stormtooth

and it's also more of a glaive

lance is a type of spear

[floral herald]

You’re gonna march for Macragge

https://preview.redd.it/need-that-picture-of-the-marine-pointing-the-pistol-at-you-v0-3rvwks2cx1qd1.jpeg?format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=20ac5f3ba00c8091dbb0f12e4b9d07e578a23d47

[jaunty dawn]

there's also the knight lancer

that has a lance

[tired cairn]

Yeah, though it is... whatever Forgeworld units are called now

[jaunty dawn]

nope

custodes and knights get to use them

also not fw anymore cause it's in plastic

haha

[tired cairn]

I mean, it's in the bonus books and not the core rulebook

Right?

[jaunty dawn]

so it's actually legacy of the horus heresy if it was legends rather than imperial armour category of legends

uh it's not in the printed book no

[tired cairn]

A dicey existence but I should probably include it lol

[jaunty dawn]

so its like yeah it's in a pdf but in the same way as kill team units rather than remaining forge world models

for the time being at least

[tired cairn]

Yeah. I just wouldn't be surprised if they kill it because GW is silly about 30k stuff in 40k 🙃

[jaunty dawn]

the logic given is that it's like 50% of the roster of those factions rather than idk 20%

maybe they just didn't want to make a second custodes tank

no idea

oh speaking of custodes the flying ones have lances

as do the bikers

venatari lances and interception(??) lances respectively

[tired cairn]

Ok, it's sounding like at least melee lances aren't outnumbered by ranged lances

[jaunty dawn]

oh no they are

there's so many

volcano lance

librarian dread (which is legends now) has a spell called lance

[vital barn]

forge world does lots of good spear guys

phoenix termies, generic power spears, White Scar and Custodes lancer jetbikers

dread with spear

and the knight lancer

mainline 40k less so

oh yeah and Dawnbreakers

I can never decide whether I think Dawnbreakers have drip or not

they have these Lancer-Caliban wrist shotgun arrangements and the most basic looking spear imaginable

I think I like them a bit more than normal assault marines, but I think they could have done something cooler with assault marine glaive guys

[jaunty dawn]

Damn they got a joytoy

[vital barn]

damn near everything has a joytoy nowadays

I suppose they print money and if all the 40k stuff already has a 3d model to make the mould out of it's not the hardest job

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah theres a bunch of infinity ones too

[vital barn]

the alpha legion joytoys are actually more detailed than the models because the AL Headhunters only ever got a conversion kit for torsos, heads and guns

I find you either love or hate the scale effect, I personally quite like it

[mild glen]

Guy is just a big Ultramarines fan. Has the Holy Horseshoe tattooed on his hand and everything.
On the FLGS discord's secret Santa post, I mentioned that Space Marines are a dislike.

I'm, like, 70% sure it's just an attempt at friendly trolling.

Or at least intended as such.

(Also we've had one game against each other and he absolutely bodied me as Ultras, so I think it might partially be gloating)

[floral herald]

Ultramarines tattoo is crazy work

[upper canopy]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/1pcdzm1/hes_back_do_you_dare_to_face_him_meet_him/

THE BIG BONE

[pine matrix]

Yeah, they don't really have too much of legion look otherwise, though I guess that's kind of the point

[pine matrix]

Damn, think he's gonna be a playable LL?

[mild glen]

I have retrieved the post in question, in all of its "slanderous" glory.

I also play AoS and play **Soulblight Gravelords** and am like 80% of the way through starting a **Lumineth Realm-Lords** army.
I like **Cavalry** and **Vehicles** and **Vehicles that are also Cavalry**.
I dislike **Space Marines**, **Tyranids**,  and **Nurgle**```

[mental birch]

why?

[mental birch]

I don't get it hahaha

[mild glen]

I think he's just trying to be playful, tbh.

If he's actually my secret santa and actually gives me Ultramarines, then I'll be a sourpuss.

[past sphinx]

but think of what a bounty of riches you could have

calgar infiltrator

intercessor calgar

calgar on bike

[broken dew]

2000 point list but every model is a Calgar proxy of some sort

[pastel rampart]

Calgar on the toilet.

[past sphinx]

calgar on throne

tank commander calgar

[pale narwhal]

Dreadnought Calgar

[sour sequoia]

The Silent Calgar & Victrix Menhirs

[past sphinx]

calgar but he stole a dreadknight

[floral herald]

You'd think he could just ask but no

[pale narwhal]

Calgar riding a thunderwolf with the angry space wolf rider chasing after him

[past sphinx]

calgar on storm rider

thats why logan doesnt have it anymore

calgar ran off with it

[thin ibex]

calgar needs his own goofy mount

my vote is being carried piggyback by something

[bright dove]

Get that man the most appropriate thing for the roman sensibilities of the Ultramarines.

An Elephant.

But wasn't that Hannibal's

[pale narwhal]

Calgar on Intercessor Squad (he’s at the top of a pyramid of intercessors)

[sweet solar]

calgar on a chariot pulled by two guys on marine bikes

calgar

[past sphinx]

its a shame more chapters dont have a fucked variety of helmet

DA got da wings

we got that dawg in us

Nights lords got their fucked variety of nonsense, and i guess BT have some of their like bucket helmets

[floral herald]

Ultramarines get the eagle faceplates I guess

[past sphinx]

hmm true and they are pretty sick

[sweet solar]

blood angels get death masks

[sour sequoia]

they dont call it Corvus pattern for nothin

[thin ibex]

"Brother, what about literally any place with normal sized doors?"

[charred bridge]

Unless the ferrocrete is strongest than ceramite they can widen doors on command

[mild glen]

I joked "Marneus Calgar in casual eveningwear" and guy was all "Hell yeah, I'd buy that"

Seni-related! I'm putting together an Ork vehicle for aforementioned Secret Santa and wow this thing is only worth 70 points for such an involved build.

[sour sequoia]

Ork and AdMech are hilarious because you’ll do the most ridiculous build on earth and it costs like, one unit of a real army. The Killa Rig is absurd

[mild glen]

Boomdakka Snazzwagon. Took forever to put (mostly) together. Half of it needs to be painted in sub assembly. GIANT base.
T9. 7 Wounds. 70 points.

[sour sequoia]

ONE HUNDRED FIFTY MM???

[mild glen]

Huge. Massive. Unwieldy.

[brittle salmon]

no way lmao

[vital barn]

me and my fucking lancer dragoons

they're actually quite nice models to build but they do also cost about seventy bazillion pounds and are made entirely of tall sticky-out breakable bits

[silk torrent]

that 500 worlds trailer goes hard ngl https://youtu.be/-hrulR3PhGY

[broken dew]

"Reclaim Ultramar Titus!"
"Yes Lord Guilliman"
"500 worlds!"
"Yes Lord Guilliman"

[sour sequoia]

Holy shit they remembered how to at least pretend at their setting’s core vibe with the Guys Whose Trait Is Win Everything

[jaunty dawn]

Oh shit I can get the event kroot

Yayyy

(She says with her zero painted kroot army box and farstalkers)

[junior summit]

I actually like guilliman because he's a paragon who nonetheless doesn't win everything

[upper canopy]

I kinda wish Tau were the ones that took the 500 worlds

[thin ibex]

theres a tension in that the tau empire is growing, but they actually stilled can't handle the imperium's full direct attention

[upper canopy]

How

the Imperium is literally dying

[thin ibex]

Mugalath bay taught them that the imperium will burn a world rather than let them have it

[upper canopy]

The Imperium was dying, and has been bisected

like idk maybe a major faction should be able to handle A Couple Of Guys

[thin ibex]

It's kinda cause the imperium still has more blood to bleed than the tau and will happily take attrition

[deft crest]

Aren't the tau getting chewed the hell up by the nids?

Two hive fleets?

[main pagoda]

yes and even bisected and dying they have a hell of alot more troops to throw into the grinder than the tau

[upper canopy]

Okay then change that lol

[floral herald]

The imperium also can’t really put their full attention on the Tau

[upper canopy]

Make the Tau bigger until this status quo can end because it's been like this for almost 30 years

[thin ibex]

The tau have never been a brawling faction in terms of war, their big victories are generally, and I think interestingly, tactical superiority

[deft crest]

Tau have and always will take the long view on a situation

[thin ibex]

Farsight and Shadowsun frequently outplay and outsmart imperal forces, which i am so down for

[floral herald]

It’s like “yeah we’d beat them if we got a 250 year time out with the pariah nexus and Abaddon, and the hive mind and “

Like that’s ever gonna happen

[thin ibex]

but the big element of tau tactical winning is that they're almost always underdogs

on a macro

[deft crest]

Whats the current deal with the votann btw

Are there any books for em

[upper canopy]

They definitely exist

[main pagoda]

yeah

[thin ibex]

they're vaguely expanding out from the core post big warpening

[main pagoda]

theres 2 lemme get the names

[floral herald]

They have some books

[vital barn]

currently I think the Tau are busy fistfighting Death Guard

[thin ibex]

but i dont think they'rel ike, in any named ongoing wars that have not been decided

[deft crest]

Followup, Are they good?

[tired cairn]

The Imperium is huge and there is a great deal of ruin in a galactic empire

[deft crest]

the books i mean

[upper canopy]

The Death Guard thing got resolved

[thin ibex]

good like ethically? oh you mean quality

[main pagoda]

The high kahls oath is the only one sorry

[upper canopy]

The Tau aren't actually doing anything at current

[main pagoda]

thought new dude got one but i must have been mistaken

[vital barn]

since the galaxy generally going to shit means more stuff ends up hitting the Eldar/Tau/etc. as well as the Imperials

[thin ibex]

yeah we havent gotten any tau story recently

[floral herald]

I’m told HKO is ok

I haven’t read it

[main pagoda]

its aight

[thin ibex]

aside from the elemental council which implies continued sphere expansion

[floral herald]

There was Elemental Council

Which is solid

[thin ibex]

lol beat you to it

[tired cairn]

Do we have a rough idea of how big the Tau Empire is now? It doesn't help it's also split up

[main pagoda]

its a gav thorpe book which does mean its pretty decent regardless

[floral herald]

Some hundreds of planets iirc

[thin ibex]

i dont think the empire is actually split, but this is entirely by memory

but they're on like 7th sphere?

which each sphere is magnitudes bigger than the last

[vital barn]

the Tau Empire is in a permanent state of "steadily expanding and teching up" regardless of actual plot developments, and will still be using crisis suits forever

the territory at least is fairly well defined

[thin ibex]

yeah i do find that a little funny

[vital barn]

it is funny that they've been going through spheres really fast lately

[tired cairn]

I'm thinking of Farsight Enclaves and that stuff on the other side of the wormhole. Which might not work anymore?

[vital barn]

fuck it, call another sphere of expansion

[thin ibex]

the enclaves arent really a split of the empire, they're MUCH smaller

they're split off from the empire yes

but they're not peers

[tired cairn]

(I don't think 40k needs setting timeline advancement, but it is the path GW has chosen)

[main pagoda]

i think its because its shown that it works in AoS

[thin ibex]

and i forget what it was called, but the wormhole was closed i think, called the startide nexus iirc

[sour sequoia]

Didn’t they actually regress the timeline to fit in primarchslop and primaris lmao

[tired cairn]

It was so they didn't have to kill off a bunch of characters

[vital barn]

I can't remember whether they retconned it from 12 years timeskip to 100 or vice versa

[floral herald]

Sorta

Briefly there was a 100 year timeskip

[tired cairn]

Primaris stuff would have been fine without turning back the clock probably

[floral herald]

And then everyone realized that was stupid

[sour sequoia]

Which is hilarious given they’ve made em all not fucking matter

[vital barn]

Cawl has apparently developed teleportation because this retroactively compressed his presence in like 6 books into a year or two

[tired cairn]

Eh? Modern 40k feels much more specific character driven than previously

[vital barn]

(seriously please write about someone other than Cawl, he's doing enough shit already)

[upper canopy]

I mean yes, but like 90% of the characters don't matter

[sour sequoia]

Oh absolutely, its just that the characters are Guilliman, Titus, Calgar, Uriel Ventriss, that other new guy who I guess got his own book, and Cawl

[tired cairn]

Oh, I see what you mean. Fair

[junior summit]

Theyve made it deliberately vague which imo is actually the correct move

"Nobody actually knows for certain what year it is" is actually a very clever blanket safety against continuity errors

[vital barn]

Cawl annoys me so much because he's basically an Ultramarines character

[tired cairn]

Maybe there are actually a lot of Cawls and that's why he can do everything, everywhere

[upper canopy]

Gullieman should be driven insane by the lack of a calender

[junior summit]

It bothers him

[floral herald]

He started his own inquisition about it

[tired cairn]

Gullieman has a lot of stuff to drive him insane

[floral herald]

And now they’re beefing with the Inquisition

[vital barn]

He never does anything with techpriests and one of his two major narrative points is that he's made a super special space marine who follows him around everywhere

[junior summit]

I like cawl a lot less than I like Guilliman

[floral herald]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Logos_Historica_Verita

[junior summit]

Guilliman has a surprising amount of depth to him

[vital barn]

I am not entirely certain that the next Admech model release won't be a boy in undifferentiated grey power armour because of this

[rocky shale]

I like cawl on his own but he doesn't mesh well with a lot of other characters

[upper canopy]

If Cawl didn't invent every new thing personally he'd be hilarious

[vital barn]

Cawl is a reasonable lead for a book or two and a fucking awful faction figurehead

[upper canopy]

by sheer virtue of how much crime he does

[vital barn]

Also his name has no style but that's not his fault really

It's just a very uninspiring word

[upper canopy]

Bellesarius is good

[vital barn]

It's not bad but it's also a name for an ultramarine

[upper canopy]

Ultramarines do not have a monoply on Greek

[vital barn]

Sure they don't, but he's not even doing anything with the Byzantium vibes that the Mechanicus dabbles in sometimes

[junior summit]

My issue with Cawl being the faction figurehead is that he isn't in charge and being in charge is kinda important for a faction lead

[vital barn]

He's not an admiral or a general, he's not involved in the politics in any sense other than "some people think he's a heretic" etc.

[tired cairn]

Oh, is "Cawl is basically an ultramarine character" why he got Oath of Moment?

[floral herald]

Lmao

Something something “spiritual liege”

[vital barn]

if you wanted to lean into the name, then a Dominus called Belisarius should be like, Mars' doorkickingest admiral or something

reclaiming lost forge worlds, being tapped by Guilliman to lead a big part of his crusade, sailing into the Pariah Nexus to get in relic WMD fights with the Necrons, etc.

and some of this is stuff he does, just as part of his omnicompetent Techpriest Tony Stark deal

if you split Cawl into three different characters they'd all be individually good - the master biologis who made the Primaris, the crusading Dominus and the warptech Doc Brown

(I know lorewise he's meant to be like thirty assimilated minds in a trenchcoat, but practically he's one guy)

[upper canopy]

Yeah I think Admech should get other guys

I also think we need more named Eldar characters and Ork Warbosses

[vital barn]

Eldar do somewhat better because they have all the phoenix lords, even if they do get chumped all the time

Eldrad still has his fingers in too many pies though

[upper canopy]

Yeah but when's a new guy showed up

Last ones were the Gathering Storm trio, I think?

[vital barn]

yeah, they fumbled the Ynnari so hard they almost don't count

[broken dew]

Ynnari do anything challenge

[rocky shale]

If they give Lhykis any attention she'd be new

But phoenix lords are a bit wierd as narrative characters as they're like gestalt minded combat wierdos

[jaunty dawn]

Presumably we'll get new tau lore with whatever the twin spears are doin

[charred bridge]

I know we have issues in the Tau empires especially with these new hostile races like the Imperium, Tyranids, and Orks but the Ethereals promise that another Sphere of Expansion will fix the issue

Just one more sphere of expansion

[upper bluff]

Have the Tau interacted with a craftworld yet? I feel like that was a major bummer for whoever made contact

I feel like it would happen like that Jerma Peter Dingklage story

[past sphinx]

m2 browning moment

the plane used to deploy nukes has been flying since 1955 with no sign of being replaced

[desert jay]

There’s occasional sign of it being replaced but they never follow through

Which honestly I think is funnier

[main pagoda]

they have basically said they aren't considering non stealth replacements

[desert jay]

If you’re not going for supersonic or stealth or anything, then there’s not a lot of ways to make a better bomber than 70 years ago besides better engines and avionics

And guess what the B-52 has gotten engine upgrades and avionics upgrades

[junior summit]

And the mission is the same as it was twenty years ago which is torching a path 200 miles wide into russia with nuclear cruise missiles

[mental birch]

El Generallisimo Farsight's splinter junta state

[mild glen]

Lore question: would da boyz refer to themselves as "born" or something else?
IEv "Born 2 Krump"

[floral herald]

Sprouted 2 Smash

[runic swallow]

It’s still used in the 42nd Millennium

[upper canopy]

https://youtu.be/jPIpN9OKKR4?si=ZM6LLVJaob2CmbsT

[thin ibex]

Oh what

Sick

[jaunty dawn]

No!!! Creative Assembly!!! You posted End Time!!!! You are going to lose subscriber!!!

[rocky shale]

Settra doesn't yield but he does poof

[quaint compass]

Now how much will Nagash job in multiplayer I wonder?

[spice flicker]

So with Nagash coming to total war, whats the odds we'll be getting Thanqual down the road?

[paper bluff]

Wait, is thanquil not in the game?

[tepid stratus]

I wouldn't be shocked if the plan is to reveal each major player one at a time ending with Sigmar and a big archaon overhaul

[tepid stratus]

Him and Screech are the two notably missing major characters from the skaven roster

[upper canopy]

It's LORDS of the End Times

So I think Thanquol is possible

Nagash, Thanquol, and the Glottkin

[broken dew]

Thanquol my GOAT

kill more Skaven

[upper canopy]

He is a rat, not a goat.

[broken dew]

the Great Horned Rats greatest Soldier

[jaunty dawn]

The great horned rat is basically a goat I feel like

Like take a rat. Make it great. Give it horns. Thats a goat

[tired cairn]

Greatest of All raTs

[past sphinx]

rats do not contain the sheer rage and ignorace of the average goat

[upper canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-yiTAKbCKc

Hhhhhhhhhhhhuh

[thin ibex]

who all would qualify as a lord of the end time? Nagash obviously. Archason is a given. Settra was, kinda in the early stages. pretty much any of hte people who get to embody a wind of magic, though most of em are already in

[upper canopy]

Nagash, Thanquol, and the Glottkin

[rocky shale]

What was the glottkin doing in the end times again?

I'm not super familiar

[floral herald]

Yooo it’s Mr. Johnson

[upper canopy]

They were the first wave that basically won the entire war up until Karl became Sigmar.

[floral herald]

Also it being the dark crusade planet again is funny

[thin ibex]

Of all people, the blood Ravens should not be surprised by the necrons or the orks for that matter

[jaunty dawn]

Did anyone recover the titan yet

We have returned and found kronus in the exact state we left it

Omg I forgot the (former) blood raven homeworld is not only in the aurelia system but its literally called cyrene

[thin ibex]

It also got exterminatus'd

Think we're getting mega swole Gabriel angelos again?

[upper canopy]

Gabriel hasn't been seen once in the trailers so far

[floral herald]

Maybe dreadnought Gabe

[thin ibex]

it all teh marine super roids he was taken

took him to an early marine grave

there was always gonna be consequences for getting that huge

[jaunty dawn]

Tbf if gabriel was gone or indisposed it would explain why they were so surprised at the state of kronus

A bunch of greyshield reinforcements joining the chapter like “…did we get sent to a shit one”

But like their librarius had a pretty big insitutional disruption

Due to events

[junior summit]

Greyshields staring at the armory and wondering which chapter they actually got assigned to:

[thin ibex]

isnt the chapter like

decimated after the events of dow2 and then dow3

[junior summit]

This jumpcuts pretty far into the future iirc

Gives them a couple centuries offscreen to rebuild

Also holy fuck is the SM superunit going to be a primarch

[vital barn]

if it is I aspire most earnestly to blow him the fuck up with generic Admech chumps 1 through 87

get over here Lion, I have Kataphrons with your name on them

[junior summit]

jump cut to Lion being carried over the shoulders of six blood raven marines as the dark angels try to figure out where he went

[junior summit]

It looks like admech has a neat area buff mechanic

Kinda like Egonergy from starcraft 2 coop

[rocky shale]

Starcraft 2 coop aka the greatest rts experience of all time

[floral herald]

That’s what the Primaris reinforcements are for

[junior summit]

Also apparently the admech get a knight castellan as their super unit which is very cool

[vital barn]

I forgot Cyrus' hair was quite that fancy

the least bald space marine

[thin ibex]

Pretty sure necron is getting a ctan or ctan Shard so maybe a peer was necessary?

[wintry mist]

this has been a super interesting read, thanks for sharing

[tired cairn]

I like how given the way the Trailer was written up until the remark about getting help, it implied the AdMech were antagonists (which might be true)

[vital barn]

looks like we're doing the stock "admech dig too deep too greedily, poke necrons and get bailed out by space marines" plot to me, nothing imaginative

except now the techpriests have been allowed to have guns, which is a vast improvement

[floral herald]

It takes a thief to know a thief

[soft willow]

"They're taking what we rightfully stole!"

[junior summit]

They might actually win their own campaign which would be a first

[bright dove]

It's actually Malum Caedo. :p

[pale narwhal]

got a killteam tournament tomorrow

small, but still a tournament and my first ever! incredibly excited, going into it expecting to win 1 lose 2 at best (but have fun and learn a lot)

been talking to the other battleclade player who's going and we've compared notes on the potential matchups

[floral herald]

Nice!

Good luck!

[remote wharf]

SUCH IS THE POWER OF NAGASH.

[past sphinx]

why does the old nightlords levithan dread have a bunch of

Phi symbols

[floral herald]

Cause they φuck people up

[sweet solar]

new theory the necrons are only there in the first place because the ravens manually stole a tomb world

necrons woke up like where the fuck are we

[tired cairn]

Just kept stealing necrons and putting them into a tomb as a big exhibit

[broken dew]

Slap some engines on that bad bitch and fly it to imperial space

[pine matrix]

I'm a bit disappointed it's "back to kronus", feels to me a bit like nostalgia baiting 🤔 but it's working cause if it's a RTS I'll fuck with it

[pale narwhal]

Toughest matchups are looking like corsairs (purely bc the best player in the city is piloting them and knows them inside out, great friend of mine and scarily good), nemesis claw (melee pressure, hard to shoot), and deathwatch (deathwatch)

I’ve made notes on the matchups and reminders for myself, prepped best I can, all that’s left is to pray that the Omnissiah gives me clarity of thought, sparks of logic, and luck of dice.

[upper canopy]

I do feel like the Lion showing up does remove like

All stakes the story can have

Like "gee I wonder if the primarch is gonna lose"

[broken dew]

Yeah it is sort of like

I wonder what Lion El'jonson is gonna do

[upper canopy]

Show up and win presumably

[broken dew]

Surely not

[sweet solar]

he will be the dark angels super unit

like the mechanicus knight castellan

[upper canopy]

Okay but he's in the plot

Which is the problem

[sweet solar]

unless thats just a fakeout

you must construct additional bitchass warp trees to summon the large homosexual poet

DEPLOYING COMBAT WAIF

[mental birch]

Hhaaha

There was a WD short story where custodes went on and said, "you take primaris now"

To the Blood Ravens

[mental birch]

Show up and write about his thinly veiled repressed homosexuality

[broken dew]

I'd be pretty ok with that

[pine matrix]

"During my time in the forest I had a long think about myself..."

[broken dew]

If we get thinly veiled homosexual poetry from Lion El'jonson out of it, it'll be worth it clearly

[desert jay]

Y'know at first I thought they were using Death Korps models to do an Armageddon regiment here, but they also still use the "Krieg" sticker on the side of the Chimerae
https://assets.warhammer-community.com/grotmas5-dec05-image1_wide-c3mwmf948e.jpg

From this article: https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/gjcfhp0x/grotmas-calendar-day-5-veteran-detachments-for-the-astra-militarum/

(Also hey new detachment)

[spice flicker]

Thoughts on the new guard detachment?

To me it seems pretty decent for someone who would want to go infantry and officer heavy.

[thin ibex]

mass increase to AP for a high volume unit can be real good

combo that with lethals

boosting something like a weapons team with autocannons

AP 2 on those things can be scary

(talking about the bionic eye enhancement)

also orders for Ogryns might be fun

dont know if its as good as recon, but definitely seems like a more offensively oriented infantry focused list

also dont know how it compares to bridgehead, which is also offensively oriented

[mental birch]

I dont think as good as bridgehead

But i am biased towards yolo deepstrike

[sour sequoia]

This is very good detach

Super flexible and just outright “everyone get more orders” and one new order is additional AP

[mental birch]

Guard just got stealth suits army wide

[broken dew]

watching the new Dawn of War trailer

the fucking DA Termies showing up in a burst of lightning

bike chaplain is kinda sick

[upper bluff]

If they aren't cowards they'll embrace the meme and add what if campaigns where you get to steal Lion L'

[broken dew]

gonna go nab some watchers off the rock to help sort all the relics the Blood Ravens have nicked off everyone

[spice flicker]

Nah you're thinking too little, knowing the bloody magpies they'll take part of the Rock if not the whole thing and claim it was a gift from the DA despite their protests.

[broken dew]

true

[sour sequoia]

You ever seen ogryn/bullgryn with real Orders

Get scared

[charred bridge]

And the blood raven's secret Primarch? Trazyn the Infinite

[broken dew]

The Blood Ravens Chapter, a Solemnace Gallery Subsidiary

[viral crest]

ohhhh wait I just

kinda makes sense they're revisiting Kronus given that

y'know

It was already a tomb world under the Blood Raven's watch

[spice flicker]

Necrons are involved since the BR stole from Trazyn and he called in some favors to track down the BR and get back what he stole first.

[charred bridge]

Have the blood raven's and Trazyn ever interacted, I feel like they'd either be kindred spirits or very much hate each other in a very much "our glorious Strategic Transfer of Equipment to Alternative Locations vs their barbaric tomb robbing archaelogy"

[charred bridge]

That's very funny

I stole that square and fair

Stealing from Necrons tomb worlds.
Blood Ravens 🤝 Trazyn

[spice flicker]

Honestly the next time I run rogue trader for friends I might have that be a plot point...as well as an opportunity for the RT and crew to steal Clonegrim from Trazyn to his annoyance.

[charred bridge]

I'm surprised Trazyn doesnt do something like hire an inquisitor or rogue trader to try to steal something from his collection without letting them know their benefactor is Trazyn just to test his defences against the imperium magpie astartes

[mental birch]

I mean

I was alrwady dead

Cant scare me more

[charred bridge]

Trazyn could have mindshackle scarabs on quite a few key figures really, he got an inquisitor easily enough.

[thin ibex]

Bullgryns with orders is big

But I'm partial to normal ogryns

[spice flicker]

Trayzn gladly welcoming the RT and crew onto a tour of his collections as a thank you for returning an object the blood Ravens stole....only for the RT to steal something and flee when Trazyn gets distracted.

Pre-heresy loyalists emperor's children come to the defense of their cloned primarch when an exhibit containing them breaks while neurons chase the party with clonegrim.

[charred bridge]

Didn't loyalist children under fabius bile see clone grim and knew he truly was their primarch pre corruption in his fullest to the tee so they got worried this one, despite being 110% loyal like their father was could fall to chaos like the OG

Not sure if they knew about the demonic blade that possessed him

[pale narwhal]

+1 order for tank commanders too

Two dorn tank commanders ordering themselves, three rogal dorns, and a russ variant, backed up by bullgryns with the abhuman detail commissar

[sour sequoia]

The tank commanders feel like people are overrating em imo

You can STR15 rapidfire lascannons on the FoBs

[marsh tree]

First chapter of my Age of Sigmar fanfic is officially complete!
https://archiveofourown.org/works/75291206/chapters/196800276

[upper canopy]

https://bsky.app/profile/mixuen.bsky.social/post/3m7aiag3twc26

Sarah (@mixuen.bsky.social)

[OC] Battlefleet Gothic Armada: Do You Remember Love?

Clashes between the Imperium and Aeldari unfolded into a three-way war as a Chaos fleet enters realspace. Meanwhile, an idol Harlequin finds an ancient song belonging to the Mon'keigh. Could one song turn the tides of battle?

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[charred bridge]

Imagine the Tau found like an ancient STC containing historical archives with 2000s era animes and discover Voltron then make every heavy battlesuit able to link together to make a titan sized mech

Harlequin's Laughing God would probably find Madoka Magica to be peak comedy though

[soft willow]

I can hear this meme.

[thin ibex]

crisis suit voltron would be hilarious

[past sphinx]

vashtor is 120 bucks?

fucker should be named Cashtorr

hes 120 bucks and is really only good in his own detachment

[sour sequoia]

Hypetorr the Aurafane

[past sphinx]

the hammer is pretty gnarly stat wise

[soft willow]

Models aren’t priced for rules.

And who knows in 11th he could be meta

[sour sequoia]

They def ain’t priced for rules or the monolith would cost less than victrix but Vashtorr’s kinda odd tbh

He’s massively expensive for the amount of plastic he is. Lion is the same size box and slightly under half the price

[floral herald]

There’s like a billion tiny pieces for him

Which might be a part of it

Very complicated kit

[sour sequoia]

That makes some sense, I remember marvelling at the detail of the one I ran into last GT I played

My round 1 was into a new kid’s beautifully painted soulforged list, vashtorr’s model goes crazy on detail

[jaunty dawn]

I think this is also just weirdness with how things increase in price outside the uk cause lion is 70% the price not sub 50%

Oh

No its just that vashtorr isnt 120usd

I think lion is one and a half of that size of sprue while vashtorr is two full sprues

Is why theyre the same size box

[pale narwhal]

finished up my killteam tournament a couple hours ago

I'm exhausted but had a blast. A fumbled one-point loss into angels of death (I forgot to tap an objective and pick up a marker one turning point, both of which I could have done freely, I just forgot to), a decisive win into stealth suits, and a narrow loss into a battleclade mirror (a really fucking weird matchup. None of our network counteract tricks really worked so it was just a weird, weird game, and the player I faced is arguably one of the two best players in the city and got a silver ticket to worlds once which they had to turn down at the time bc of funds)

tons of fun, learnt a lot

[floral herald]

Oh my god battleclade mirror sounds so real

[sour sequoia]

Holy shit Night Lords Real

[jaunty dawn]

Dread talons twooooo

[sour sequoia]

Dread Talons can’t eat this detachment’s shit

Whole army battleshocking everybody forever is crazy

[floral herald]

Dread Talons is fun

Just a bunch of Bullshit to make Battleshock kinda work

[thin ibex]

The real test is remembering to tell your opponent to keep taking b shock tests

And the negative modifier

[vital barn]

The modifiers being asymmetrical irks me in an incredibly petty way

they had the opportunity for "battleshocked enemies are at -1 to X and +1 to be Xed" and fumbled it

Looks very fun though

Finally, First Claw Simulator

[jaunty dawn]

Its funny that dread talons was already like the most pushed battleshock detachment and they’ve just had another go by pushing it even further

Merciless pursuit was cool though :(

I really like the vulture enhancement

[tired cairn]

Huh, for the way it's written, does it mean you can't use insane bravery to auto pass?

[sour sequoia]

You can, given it’s the battle-shock step of the command phase

The way its worded is so that it’s essentially expanding requirements for the normal battleshock, instead of plague legion’s “make a fuckload of battleshocks that nobody can ever interact with ever because nurgle players need the help” :p

[tired cairn]

Oh. The neurotyrant thing is during a different step is the trick

[sour sequoia]

Granted, that’s one per game when your whole army is doing it every round

[rocky shale]

Can we just replace CK's army rule with this detachment rule wow

Crazy that this is what it takes to make battle shock even remotely a thing

[sour sequoia]

Delete the gat and we can talk

I do not respect knights

[floral herald]

The gat?

[rocky shale]

I would absolutely sacrifice gatling gary for an army rule that isn't just "stealth outside of 18" and some battleshock stuff that doesn't work" (and a small ruinator flamer attack count buff or something so we can still kill hordes somehow)

[sour sequoia]

3*36 shots str 9 ap2 d2 is cool because it means knights has no real decisionmaking to table anything in the game

[rocky shale]

The chaos knight despoiler can take 2x gatling cannons that combined with lethal hits from a detachment let it basically be amazing into anything

[sour sequoia]

Even after they nerfed it you still
Just Triple Despoiler

It means you take like, two beast of nurgle instead of 3

[floral herald]

Magnetizing some chaos knights today

[sour sequoia]

This is what had Chaos Knights 65% WR all summer lmfao

[rocky shale]

The main problem with the despoiler is that the non despoiler options have some real stinkers

[sour sequoia]

That and the stupid free sticky with OC5

[rocky shale]

Cough cough ruinator

Gatling cannon is S6 fwiw

But you run infernal lance for lethals

[sour sequoia]

thats still goofy as hell tbh

[rocky shale]

Yeah

[sour sequoia]

Bring back wargear costs Please

I love listening to knights players talk about “crap guns”

[rocky shale]

Crap is relative

[sour sequoia]

Ahhhh what am I gonna do with my +1 str everything at volumes that only full sternguard and neophytes match

[rocky shale]

A lot of knight guns other than the obvious ones get fairly swingy, especially the flamers or wierd D3 shot 3+ BS anti tank guns

Gatling cannons at like 12-14 shots each would probably be more on par with the battle cannons

Which are D6+3 rapid fire D6+3 each S10 AP-1 D3

[rocky shale]

My like "how to fix CK without just adding a bunch of infantry options" would be like:

Make army rule more like this new csm detachment, then nerf infernal lance and maybe LoD to compensate. This buffs all the weak detachments and rules that care more about battleshock and aren't already carrying the faction.

Give houndpack lance the "move through walls" strat back from Tratoris lance

Despoiler gatling cannon down to 12 attacks (plus some infernal nerf probably takes them down plenty)

Tyrant can become more of the dedicated shooty knight if you remove blast from some big guns and/or give it slightly more attacks or BS2 or something. (volcano/plasma profile currently has basically no weapons it can fire if it gets swarmed by trash, flamer/harpoon profile works kinda but only if you give it the deep strike enhancement)

Ruinator needs a ton of help but going like 2D6->D6+6 on its shooting and maybe dropping AV2+ for just more attacks on the drill would probably make it a good chaff killer option.

War dog executioner benefits a ton from better battleshock rules.

War dog brigand probably needs a little something but maybe just gets carried up by army rules.

Same with rampager, desecrator, and various crappy cerastus knights.

Send the lancer to HH purgatory so my rampager can be the good melee option.

In fact send all cerastus knights to purgatory

Knights were not meant to have a 4++ in melee

This is my manifesto lmao

[junior summit]

the harpoons are so swingy I don't understand

why is the strongest AT gun a +/- 50% weapon

[pale narwhal]

Okay. writeup.

Round 1: vs AOD, tombworld map 6, Loot. Red side deployment.

I took steal intelligence, (correctly) assessing that they'd be very aggressive and judging that I couldn't realistically get to their home objective to Retrieve. Took neurocyclic, guises, apparatus, and kraks (apparatus was a mistake, probably could have taken razorwire to put on the right side of the map and stop advances there). He took captain, eliminator, the two specialists, and one each assault and regular intercessor.

I made several mistakes in deployment, committing far too much to the right side of the board (realistically I could have left a flamer there just to threaten a melta swap tp2 and nothing else) and spreading too thin

Once he deployed his sniper in the doorway top right I should have realised pushing that flank was a lost cause, but I didn't.

Gameplay wise I made two mistakes- move-dashed my heavy bolter aggressively in the hopes he'd survive some bolter fire (he didn't), and the game-losing mistake of not tapping a point for Loot and picking up an intel marker turning point 2. I also made a minor positioning mistake with my breacher, getting him charged (though he survived) by not accounting for control range when measuring threat range.

Lost 13-14, would have won 16-14 if I hadn't blundered by not doing two actions completely uncontested with apl I had spare. Live and learn I guess. He ended up with a half-health intercessor and 7hp eliminator at the end of the game, my technoarchaologist utterly whiffed a shot with ceaseless and a free reroll from Duty (rolled all twos and ones, rerolled all of them into more twos and ones) which could have changed the math significantly in several fights and shoots.

Round 2: vs Stealth Battlesuits, Volkus map 6, Download. Grey side deployment.

Took Retrieval, knowing that they'd be playing cagey and seeing that I could be very safe in the strongholds and still get Remote Access if need be on his home. I took a heavy barricade to stage that, neurocyclic, covert guises, and kraks. He didn't take his Disruptor, opting for a second Infiltrator instead (for more mission action counteracts), and took all the faction gear. It was a pretty cagey first turning point, though he was too aggressive with his Lodestar to get a TP1 homing beacon drop and left him in range of my Breacher, who promptly shredded him via the underseer giving him a dash and counteract. From there it was all downhill for stealths, though my technoarchaeologist whiffed ANOTHER full rerolls shot on a stealth suit and hid behind a wall.

It was a pretty crushing victory for me, 19-4. Nothing much to say other than the opponent made mistakes and I punished as battleclade does.

Round 3: Battleclade Mirror Match, tombworld map 1, Stake Claim. Grey side deployment.

I took Retrieval, because I knew battleclade wouldn't want to push into battleclade. My opponent took Steal Intel which ended up being a mistake. I took a mine to put in that weird corridor which was a major mistake, should have just taken kraks because it did worse than nothing (gave me a false sense of security). It was just a really weird matchup. Both of us knew setting up counteract chains wouldn't really work and so we had to find other ways to get ahead. I decided to play aggressive which was a mistake. We both could have pretty easily tied if I hadn't, and I might have even won via retrieval rather than steal intel. Highlight was my technoarchaologist teleporting behind her technoarchaeologist, taking half her health, then next turning point running up and triple-killing a gun servitor, medic, and autoproxy.

Just a really REALLY weird match, fun and weird and we both overcommitted to taking each others home objectives (it turned into a standoff and neither of us moved). An 8-12 loss for me into the far better player than I.

Overall a great learning experience, great fun, and me and the other battleclade player are comparing notes on how it went.

[floral herald]

Thanks for the write up!

That first match seems like a heartbreaker

Tombworld 1 is also a really weird map

[pale narwhal]

it was. The other player said I outplayed him utterly, it was just those small things that lost me the game (and the big blunder)

Great fun though, and a really positive experience for my first tournament

the mirror match was just WEIRD

it was the final game of the day so me and my opponent both kinda gave up on trying to out-network the other and just threw servitors at each other, really.

[floral herald]

A lot of mirror matches are weird but Battleclade mirror seems weird

[pale narwhal]

none of your tricks work because you can't push a servitor up to threaten- they'll just get combo'd before you can do the same thing. I was arguably far too aggressive

[mental birch]

Laughing in Chaos demons

Forced battleshock? Thank you very much

[jaunty dawn]

This keeps hitting me in the back of my head cause like the only army wide battleshock effect is the same as dread talons

The battleshock abilities that got buffed are the enhancements and strats

Namely terrorglut parasite is everyone in the fight and before the fight, which used to be just one unit after the fight

Bloody Example -> Sadistic Display; no longer requires killing a character unit specifically, but only has a 6” range (from 12”) and no penalty to the roll

Screaming Descent -> Horrific Incursion; lost its 6” deep strike element, Infantry/Mounted went to not!Monster/Vehicle which I think is technically a buff but only into like 6 units total. Range went from 9”-12” but thats still the same 3” beyond the deep strike limit

Actually feels like the strats were overall nerfed but the enhancement is a buff I think. Just bigger inherent payoffs for battleshock

[brittle salmon]

The bigger inherent payoffs for battleshock are an uncountably large improvement over the base detach is the thing

[jaunty dawn]

No I know

It just works out to a very similar amount of battleshock to what dread talons already did. Obviously getting effectively +1.5 detachment rules on top of that is a massive buff

Its just not a buff to actually applying battleshock

[desert jay]

Is there stuff Dread Talons used to do this doesn't, or is this just Cooler Dread Talons?

[jaunty dawn]

It drops one enhancement dread talons got for potential cp gen

Which was like a 5+ to get a cp for each battleshocked enemy unit but with the cp gen cap I dont think thats a huge loss

As I mentioned dread talons had access to a 6” deep strike (with no charge) whichhh

It could only do with jump packs

So idk how useful it actually is but the threat of it affects screening n stuff

[desert jay]

Was that also one of those deep strike strats that was originally closer and got nerfed with the rest?

[jaunty dawn]

Oh probably

The reroll hits payoff strat used to be shooting only but rerolled wounds as well

While the ap payoff strat used to be melee only

Also dread talons had a strat to charge a unit after it falls back if it is still within 6”. This was replaced with advance+charge

Theres also this weird thing where dread talons is a penalty to all battleshock within 12” while the new one is just an explicit -1 to most of its ways of causing battleshock. This nerfs one of stratagems specifically, but more broadly I think mostly affects like…crusade maybe?

So there is stuff that was lost but it is very much a dread talons rework. Idk if the enhancements got more expensive but they got pretty big buffs.

[dense idol]

catch me up, did they finally make a good (or at least viable) battleshock gimmick detachment?

[jaunty dawn]

I think only time will tell? But this is definitely a continuation of the experiment of how far you can push something if its locked behind battleshock

[sour sequoia]

This has tricks tbh

Chaos lord + scouting warp talons advance and charge gank the fuck outta something, free uppy, free rapid turn 1

https://64.media.tumblr.com/7abf59d2d8dee731c3841033722e254e/1423f973a61fcc1b-c8/s400x600/ace1b45516a5d1f25c0a32442e3ea9471be34f0f.gif

POV: you are a space marine scout who thought you were gonna score area denial

[past sphinx]

god i want the boys in midnight to for once have a good detachment

and this seems

fine

but god would i need to get more warp talons and such

[jaunty dawn]

Scouting warp talons buffed by a lord is super fun

So strat discount and 6" pile in/consolidate

[dense sedge]

Had t checked that out but that’s kinda scary

[past sphinx]

holy shit

[desert jay]

Bringing back smash captains?

[past sphinx]

welcome back Lord smashfucker

[vital barn]

eh, smashfucker's defining principle was that he was totally unkillable, this guy just hurts

[past sphinx]

new cap with stormshield and thunderhammer helps

6 wounds and a 4+ isnt anything to be sniffed at

[jaunty dawn]

James workshop need the sustained hits 2 button taken off of them after more dakka

Blood angels smash captain was a whole thing

But not smashfucker the iron hands bike captain, indeed

[past sphinx]

its funny on like assassins

but boy does sustained 2 feel bad

i dont like how much gambling is in a lotta armies right now

like a lot of CSM just doesnt fucking work unless your rolling 6s

the anti- keyword is okay we can keep that one

[jaunty dawn]

It increases the volatility a lot yeah

[past sphinx]

i feel like theres a million things that happen on crits and a million rerolls

[jaunty dawn]

I hate crit fishing rerolls

Like when the optimal gameplay is rerolling successes to get crits because the payoff is that big its ehhh

To me

[past sphinx]

i shouldnt be tossing hits to get better cooler hits

[sour sequoia]

I’m digging that they gutted host of ascension like a fish to give everybody in marines even more rerolls per reroll and stacked crit effects/dev wounds on everything under the sun

Marines players will never escape the accusations

[jaunty dawn]

Ooh i like the concept of the blood angels detach mind

Self battleshock for fun and profit

[pastel rampart]

What kinda weird-ass shit should I print with this anyway

[jaunty dawn]

Necron gun rods

Ignore that thats not how they work anymore

[runic swallow]

The fact they changed it from the green rods is an absolute travesty

[pastel rampart]

It'd have to be some real tiny prints and probably better for resin printing but hmmm, maybe the crystal for the Monolith

I'm debating on using it for some skaven terrain, like glowing warpstone chunks/crystals growing out of rocks like an underhive.

[pale narwhal]

warpstone chunks is a great idea yea

[runic swallow]

Unfortunately it probably only works in the dark enough that it’d be hard to see other painted detail?

Though it’d be cool to do warpstone in it for sure

Just ominously illuminating a mine or lab or whatever

[pastel rampart]

Well, it's easier to see detail in person but it's a pretty bright off-white in the light. You could paint over it I suppose, and obviously works best when used in conjunction with existing painted pieces.

I think it'd be more suited for things like display boards or going for some sort of moody D&D thing.

[runic swallow]

Would it still illuminate through thin paint?

Since that’d probably work okay if you got a green wash on it then maybe??

[pastel rampart]

I'm not sure. I might do a small test piece and try a green wash to see if that helps with some details while not stopping the glow effect.

[sonic hare]

I hated those things so god damned much

[charred bridge]

I hear it was like held up by a very thin strip so itd just bend over time

Necron gun rods would become limp over time

[mild glen]

It happens to a lot of people after a few thousand years, okay?

[sour sequoia]

I imagine you could blackline for a decent effect but that becomes a lot of work very quickly

[sonic hare]

they were ugly, gaudy, and an outside facing part of the model you don't really get to paint. which kinda obligated you to include green as your glow colour

so many cool new necron schemes now that you can choose your own glow

(yes you can paint them it's much less fun than the rest of the model or the way that modern gauss weapons look)

[pastel rampart]

Well also the green rods would often get cloudy if glued in with super glue because that can happen to clear plastic.

[pastel rampart]

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/ancient-tomb-crystal-monolith Ah hey now this could be a good use for the glowy filament (for the crystal anyway)

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah it was really hard to make them actually look good

Although I kinda want to see a like retro 2e take

Like those tau that open_sketch painted

[spice flicker]

Is crusher stampede a good detachment to build around for crusade?

[thin ibex]

Good is a subjective thing, but I don't see why not

Personally I see crusade as a place to use whatever you like rather than what's good necessarily

But crusher stampede is about having big monsters that are more scary when wounded. It doesn't do a lot to problem solve for getting places, but big Tyranid monsters are still big tyranid monsters at the end of the day

[past sphinx]

good in the terms of winning games

poor i feel in the narritive

[jaunty dawn]

If you like carnifexes then probably not

Cause the detachment rule is really weird with them in units of 2

If you wanna play with the tyranid crusade rules building around any specific detachment is kinda awkward

[spice flicker]

Trying to work on some "opposing forces" aka npc armies for players to go up against in a smaller crusade where all actual players are part of the same overarching faction. Mostly tyranids and chaos as the main foes is what I have so far. This is an experiment to try and lean more on the narrative side of things and less competitive as well as making it more small scale by only having like 4 players.

[jaunty dawn]

Oh fair

[spice flicker]

This is going to be on TTS and it seems the players are leaning towards Imperium being their overarching faction (or at least imperium plus votann.) Probably take a few cues from the Forges of Mars Trilogy and have an Ark Mechanicus be part of what keeps the Imperium forces together. As for Chaos and the Nids, well plenty of strong psychic readings and warp anomalies in the area to warrant a lesser black crusade (whatever they call the ones not led by Abbadon) and a hive fleet (with borrowers already present) also converging in the sector.

[spice flicker]

What do you guys think of the EC on tabletop?

[floral herald]

I think their small roster makes them sort of monobuild but the playstyle is fun

[deft crest]

I've had a bloodthirster get murdered at full wounds by a really lucky charge of Flawless Blades

and noisemarines squads are horrifying

[little bay]

damn he got a "stern" talking to with khorne after this

[deft crest]

Still won that game but yeah he got wounded after that in the crusade as a whole

[spice flicker]

What makes them terrifying?

Curious about EC because I have them as next on the chopping block to make potential OPFOR crusade army for.

[deft crest]

they get a lot of shots, Can reroll really easily, Have high strength decent AP on 2 of the 6 units weapons, and when lead get sustained hits,

And in a crusade

the player with them got the upgrade that lets them hit on 5~6s for overwatch

Also get the EC movement where its move and advance AND shoot

[spice flicker]

So focus on noise marines i guess.

[deft crest]

they are vulnerable as most squads yeah

But what isnt in this game when it comes to a good weapons team.

[spice flicker]

Shame they dont have much in terms of armored units

[sour sequoia]

Top 4 armies in the game but everybody who plays them besides John Lennon is stupid

[spice flicker]

Is it because he's the only person flamboyant enough to do the sons of Fulgrim justice?

[sour sequoia]

People look at Coterie and get too scared to play anything else in the army, or don’t understand that Coterie EC is not like chaos marines at all

Its Orks

You essentially get 1.5 rounds to slam their entire army, play accordingly

[soft willow]

Coterie gives the army a lot of consistency and lets it punch up better, but only if you can reliably kill units and predict those kills.

Some of the other detachments can work, but most of them don't give you more hitting power/consistency which is what EC want to have.

They're very fun to play, but hard to play well, which I think is a good place for them.

Hoping the rumored grotmas detachment gives Fulgrim a reason to see the table.

[floral herald]

You actually have really good battleline too

[soft willow]

Infractors with a Lord Exultant are terrifying.

And Tormentors are very good at playing the scoring game at 5 for 85 with sticky and infiltrate.

[sour sequoia]

EC has a lot of hitting power base tbh and Peerless gets you similar power as coterie, but the other detaches require same if not more comfort with calling shots

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/596197650332778498/1447642009589383390/xXvwbtF.jpg?ex=69385d2e&is=69370bae&hm=2736e7873c4d45c3c48bb0dbb16883bc0e2654bff1fc3d1a5c254207ca7823c9&

[floral herald]

Hmmm

[sour sequoia]

Thanks Slim, knew I could count on you

Time to go buy my admech army

[little bay]

NO PLEASE

MY WALLET IS ALREADY DYING

[floral herald]

I just got magnets for my chaos knights

So now I get to figure out how to do subassemblies

[spice flicker]

Alright so how's this for 1000 and 2000 points?

[soft willow]

Peerless is half the power without the shot calling being needed for your detachment to work. You're right that they require good decision making to function overall though.

I'll admit I haven't given Flawless Blades a whirl post their update, do they hit hard enough to be worth it now?

[sour sequoia]

Flawless Blades are merely a pricy unit that does their duty if you’re Smart now

Instead of abysmal dogshit

Eliding the wound/toughness rules of this game is incredible, IIRC at least one detach can get em devs so you can go lol. lmao.

[rocky shale]

CK arms are basically designed for magnets

And the armor panels are easy to leave off until the end

[floral herald]

Oh nice

So just paint under em?

[soft willow]

No Dev wounds sadly. Lots of sustained options though.

[rocky shale]

Yeah my knights routine is to leave all the major armor panels off, spray the entire thing metallic, paint in all the different metal colors, matte sections, etc. Drybrush metallic highlight, then paint the armor panels up to where you'd do a wash then glue everything together and slop on an oil wash.

[floral herald]

Makes sense

[rocky shale]

After the oil wash you can go back and do more highlights and detail work but 99% of the area you want to do detail on is super easy to do fully assembled.

[floral herald]

I need to come up with a paint job too

[rocky shale]

You can also wash the armor panels separately if you're trying to do a lot of detail work after.

[tepid stratus]

Man writing necron lists is hard

I'm getting into the army as my 2026 project since knights just didn't vibe with me. Now I'm drowning in options and don't know the army enough to make something cohesive

My complaints over my small roster with EC has monkey's pawed

[rocky shale]

Pick a detachment first and build for that

[tepid stratus]

Currently between awakened dynasty and star shatter

Got a monolith, couple of doomstalkers, triarch stalker and 3 heavy destroyers so they'd benefit solidly

[spice flicker]

Star shatter i hear is really good and if you have a Monolith then go with the teleporting detachment.

[tepid stratus]

Awakened is cool but going to be a more expensive investment to build towards with my limited leasable units atm

[tepid stratus]

I've considered hypercrypt. I got to be on the receiving end of it during the hay days of 3" deep strikes against a tesseract vault

[spice flicker]

Star shatter is good for destroying things while hypercrypt is good for scoring and movement shenanigans.

[tepid stratus]

Wish it was possible to find a skorpek lord, a full unit of skorpeks charging out of a monolith in hypercrypt looks fun

[sour sequoia]

How competitive are you trying to be

AD, Starshatter, sometimes Obeisance is basically where its at

You will need DDAs and Lokhust Destroyers to meet whatever level of knights/superheavies/greater daemons are in your meta

But beyond that staples are really similar tbh

Flayed ones extremely useful utility pieces/infiltrate, tesla immortals with a plasmancer will obliterate anything smaller than terminators, lychguard sword n board + overlords or warriors + orikan + reanimator and/or ghost ark is how you hold the line

1 Techno+wraiths can also do that but you need to protect the technomancer real bad

[spice flicker]

Full sized Sword and board Lychguard+overlord+night scythe seems fun

[thin ibex]

More than being competetive. I feel like hypercrypt is just kinda fun

And very contrary to the necrons usual slow vibes

[tepid stratus]

I've got a technomancer and 6 wraiths, got imotek and orikan, looks like I can slap both in a 20 warrior brick. The Tesla immortals is an interesting idea albeit lacking any semblance of AP

But man immortals are expensive to buy

I'm surprised to hear obesience is popular, considering it only works with like 3 units outside of battleline lead by a lord

I do see the need for doomsday arks, but I am admittedly not a fan of the models. Gonna try to sneak by on doomstalkers and a deathray monolith for now

The doomscythe seems really cool but alas it is a flyer in the year of our lord 2025

Definitely grabbing the void dragon and silent king after Christmas. Just kinda hyped to paint them now that I've got a scheme locked in

[past sphinx]

damn, theres not even good terminator leaders

[thin ibex]

Hmm? For whom? Or in general?

[spice flicker]

Chaplains with assaults dont seem too bad. I cant help but feel disappointed with normal.CSM terminators.

[tepid stratus]

On the flip side a captain with deathwing knights are out here killing god and tanking suns

[floral herald]

They’re ok but they’re mostly just there to hang out with Abaddon

Though I think he’s better with Chosen now?

[thin ibex]

Csm termies aren't bad perse, but i do feel like they're a little back seated

I mean end of the day they're still termies

[spice flicker]

Ive been theorycrafting with obliterators and they seem pretty neat nowadays.

[sour sequoia]

Pretty much all generic termies suffer from Not Being Custodes

[vital barn]

what do the golden boys get that's so good, other than WS2+?

[sour sequoia]

Thats the issue in 10th

Higher toughness higher consistent damage, omnicrits, advance and charge all the time, 4+++ and higher woundcount

Because combi-weapons don’t actually exist anymore most terminator guns are a big whatever

The ones with bespoke rules and units are actually all staples this edition like DWK, scarab occults, eightbound, assorted DG bullshit, and generics do work in shadow legion, emperor’s children, and sometimes world eaters imo

[vital barn]

oh yeah, blade champion

I forget that units come with embedded buff characters as "default" now, I'm so used to the 30k thing where for the most part you just have dudes and the characters just come along and hit things

I would probably get five golden boys to run with my Imperium armies if you could Imperial Agents them, but despite being perhaps the single best candidates for that lorewise they move around only in groups of 30

I suppose it would get annoying if everyone had supertermies

[tepid stratus]

Generics do nothing in EC. It's flawless blades or bust if you want something in that weight class

[spice flicker]

Every time i think about custodes I am reminded of a friend who brought some to a crusade and got paired up against my chaos knights. He was quite upset to see a knight abominant tear apart allarus terminators in melee after failing charges against all my knights and war dogs. He's still pissed about CK last I checked.

[spice flicker]

Aren't flawless blades a 3 man squad for essentially terminator equivalent and around the same points?

[vital barn]

besides a brief moment in HH1e Custodes have always been gigasad if they can't melee everything

[main pagoda]

the humble grav tank

[vital barn]

not so humble back then

my poor robits

[tepid stratus]

100pts for 3 so similar cost per model with the main difference being trading defense for a lot more speed and melee output. Generic terminators in EC just can't do enough damage to matter and their special rule is antithetical to their role

[floral herald]

They’re not quite TEQs but they are pretty nasty in melee

But yeah EC normal termies are bad

[tepid stratus]

Flawless blades will rip anything they touch apart, termies hit like a wet rag if they don't fumble their charge because shooting their charge target to get their charge reroll pulled the target too far out of range

[brittle salmon]

Shooty bikes in 2e were nuts as well

Apparently

[spice flicker]

So EC is a faction that wants to turn into blenders in melee but have the durability of cardboard and a very limited model pool to choose from to the point they dont even have both fiends. Get them into melee and watch them shred but the problem is getting them to survive the trek into melee and the slap back from whatever isnt killed in melee first.

Does that about sum it up?

[thin ibex]

They're also very fast

[floral herald]

They are also very fast and have good short range shooting

[spice flicker]

Lighting fast glass cannons essentially?

[thin ibex]

They're like... institutional specialists at table stuffing your opponent

But also I imagine they suffer if your target sequencing gets misplayed

[tepid stratus]

Yeah that's about right. We've got great mid strength shooting from noise marines but melee is our solution to high toughness. Move fast, don't stay in the same place for long and hit hard. Basically Aeldari with worse guns and better saves

[spice flicker]

World eaters with better shooting and speed?

[sour sequoia]

Custodes vs CK? I’ll do ya one better

[main pagoda]

and not as much rng

[sour sequoia]

Worse shooting actually, much worse. World Eaters are a two phase army with their termies, land raiders, and forgefiend/maulerfiends

[spice flicker]

The fact that EC got maulerfiends but not forgefiends is just absurd tbh. Heck the WE got forgefiends.

[floral herald]

Yeah it’s very weird

[pastel rampart]

EC need Forgefiends with comically large sonic weapons.

[tepid stratus]

Yeah, WE got more durability and certain gimmicks we don't but it's a good comparison. We've got better low to mid strength shooting but WE has us outclassed for high strength shooting thanks to having forgefiends and hellbrutes

[pastel rampart]

Head replaced with a giant speaker.

[tepid stratus]

I still pray for a sonic hellbrute

[pastel rampart]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/c/c0/Emperor's_Children_Sonic_Dreadnought.jpg

Sonic dread my beloved

[sour sequoia]

EC earnestly doesn’t need it, their gameplan is pressure

[vital barn]

boxnaughts really are bestnaughts

[sour sequoia]

I’d love a sonic dreadnought/helbrute to come back for sure

[spice flicker]

How do these look for a 1k and 2k list for EC?

[rocky shale]

Double heldrake is certainly a choice

Winged daemon prince is awesome and hard to pass up on

[floral herald]

EC Heldrakes are actually sort of good

[rocky shale]

They're good for a flyer

You could bring one for fun and it'd be ok

Two feels a little goofy

[floral herald]

That’s reasonable

[sour sequoia]

Not enough units at 1k

I’d split the second noise marines squad

[spice flicker]

Really the lists were for crusade but yeah I might swap one out since heldrakes in EC actually seem halfway decent.

[rocky shale]

If it's crusade you can get away with less scoring/secondary units usually

[sour sequoia]

I think survivability of target splitting outweighs the stratagem efficiency at 1k

[spice flicker]

Noise marines are stuck at 6 man size and cant be larger or smaller.

[tepid stratus]

Noise marines are locked at 6. They can't be reinforced

[spice flicker]

Hmmm...what should I do for 1k points then? Ill admit i prefer the noise marines over the flawless blades.

[sour sequoia]

Oh fuckin wild

[thin ibex]

Not for EC but for chaos in general. I don't think it's competetive, but a 10 man brick with Abby is still some business

Terminators I mean

[sour sequoia]

I’d still be down for a 5-man and abby tbh, his biggest problem has just been that he’s actually kinda squishy these days

There’s gotta be play with some like Long War vets abby and terminator rocket

[pastel rampart]

https://bsky.app/profile/asphodelles.bsky.social/post/3m7jh366ebk2d

Punished “Venom” Asphodel (@asphodelles.bsky.social)

ciaphas cain could solve the kira case but would not be able to intuit the mechanics of the death note

Bluesky · Dec 9, 2025, 1:59 AM

[soft willow]

"Solve" a series of increasingly unlikely lucky circumstances would lead him to stopping Kira.

[stark cypress]

The Cain series have a very comfortable format

Cain goes to posting to avoid combat, combat happens, Cain does cowardly (common sense) move that saves day, second threat appears, Cain saves day again.

Writes private tell all that is then being told by his wife.

He loves his wife

[past sphinx]

i love Sulla

[stark cypress]

Cain considers her to be a girl failure soldier

but not because she's a failure

But because she's absolutely batshit insane in a combat situation and does stunting.

That works.

That works every time.

And then she rose to be one of the few rare Lady Generals of the Imperium.

[past sphinx]

Lord General Jenit "what would Ciaphus do" Sulla

im 70% sure amberly hates her because Sulla had a crush on him

[stark cypress]

I mean

Cain was a looker

and the man was a stallion on every world he went to.

[bright dove]

Cain fucks

[stark cypress]

Yes

[vital barn]

cain has to do literally all the fucking in 40k because nobody else gets to have sex apart from those two serfs in the Night Lords trilogy

[upper canopy]

Cain finally gets a back-front and cushy gig in a Hive City but then the Kira killings start

[vital barn]

the Emperor's Children think about sex a lot but never have any

[stark cypress]

I probably would not be surprised that at one point. A younger Cain had to literally pull a "I'm part of the Guard! I can't marry your daughter!" on a shotgun wedding.

Also, considering certain stuff...He has probably slept with a Sororita somewhere.

Look, what I'm saying here, is that Cain is the epitome of a Catholic Rabbit.

[upper canopy]

the Cain series is how we know that very specifically Sororitas don't have a vow of chastity

[rose hill]

i wouldn't characterize cain's opinion on sulla as "girlfailure"

his opinion is that she picks options that risk herself and others

in return for a somewhat increased chance of success

[stark cypress]

True

[rose hill]

which is 1. extremely hypocritical, coming from him, seeing as that's what he does too but he's just better at lying to himself about it

2. funny because it is one way to beb a successful general

just one that cain hates because he wants to live

amberley on the other hand just thinks sulla writes stupid and probably some hidden jealousy

[stark cypress]

I'm just surprised that Amberly releasing Cain's novels hasn't done anything.

[rose hill]

they were released in the inquisition net only

[stark cypress]

Yeah, but still.

[rose hill]

only other inquisitors can read them

[stark cypress]

Because, ya know, it's the Inquisition.

[rose hill]

and cain is dead so disparaging him doesn't gain anyone anything

[stark cypress]

True

And even trying to do a whole heretic/coward after death declaration would probably cause revolts in some places.

[pastel rampart]

AND a techpriest (in training)

But then she still had most of her fleshy bits.

[stark cypress]

Oh my god

Hear me out

Hear me out

What if...He also had a Rouge Trader GF at one point.

Imagine the stuff he might've gotten up to if that ever gets brought up in a book.

[past sphinx]

in some parts of tallarn hes worshiped as an imperial saint

[stark cypress]

Oh yeah

I forgot about the legally recognized Imperial Cult offshoot.

[rose hill]

that he hopefully never found out about

[stark cypress]

Oh yeah

He would hate it

for so many reasons

1. He hates Emperor Bothering

2. Beije

3. Beije

[vital barn]

Amberley does post some excerpts from Sulla and she does in fact write stupid

but she seems to have generaled pretty well

[stark cypress]

I think it's the same also with Cain's official autobiography

Everyone is a good soldier

but a shit writer

[rose hill]

i believe amberley muses that soldiers tend to get a sort of "mental constipation" when asked to commit their deeds to paper

[stark cypress]

"Oh sweet emperor what the fuck was I doing that day. Oh yeah, I was getting shot at...Frak, Oliver dying that way was horrible."

[past sphinx]

hey look the big drill is made to order

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ofvfo32r/build-a-mechanicus-themed-battlezone-with-a-christmas-made-to-order-terrain-drop/

[stark cypress]

Oh wow

[broken dew]

Mr.Sex himself

[thin ibex]

Random thought

I wish we had broadsides with broadside burst canons

Like hbc broadsides

Would be sick

And then shoulder mounted regular burst canons

While I'm at it, a burst cannon option for the tau nar

Maybe a mix. Rotary smart or normal missile launcher

[mental birch]

S6 base burst cannon

It will be beeeeg

[jaunty dawn]

Im tempted to get the cranes because ive always wanted the cranes

[still warren]

https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/s/wjfcNABHOG

Looks like the next fantasy total war is 40k

[junior robin]

I knew the "warhammer fantasy world is a planet in the 40k universe" theory was true!

also finally, Salamanders primaris lieutenant.

[charred bridge]

It's sad, he got never got with a Custodes

[wintry mist]

it's so bleak

this is gonna suck so much

[still warren]

Eh they said there's a new engine that'll work better for vehicles probably made with a 40k game in mind

The next historical game is medival 3 so that's big old school fans

[wintry mist]

"we have selected the next lineup of factions to best represent the total war gameplay experience

mordian iron guards
tyranids
black templars
the tau, but the only infantry are line formation fire warriors
pure melee orcs"

[still warren]

Its 100% gonna be space Marines for the 500 world campaign

[wintry mist]

like idk total war's formula just doesn't work for half the factions

the tactical manuever element of the eldar, most of the IG, space marines, necrons are smaller than the company sized/battalion sized elements typical of total war games

[still warren]

Oh fully im with you in that, unless the engine is a complete overhaul of the game it just doesn't work really

[desert jay]

No Eldar? What, does TW not have horse archers?

[wintry mist]

me when I play as the total warriors chapter and get a notification that every imperial faction has declared war on me for my clear intention to rebel (I made 1500 units in 3 months)

[desert jay]

That also sounds like legion-building

[wintry mist]

total war is so cooked

warhammer fantasy dominated the sales chart in comparison to its immediate predecessors and successors in the total war series

and it's not even a fraction of what 40k is gonna look like

[charred bridge]

The horseless horse archer

[wintry mist]

unironically

40k on the big scale gotta look like wargame/warno

[still warren]

My only thought is if you really zoom out in the scale it might work where cities are basically a terrain feature. Almost Gladius but a rts

[jaunty dawn]

Space marine demi company could be a unit maybe

Or two squads

Two squads is 20 guys and thats monsterous infantry

[wintry mist]

I love warhammer 1/2/3 but they did kinda ruin total war for everyone else who likes the historical games lol

[wintry mist]

what makes the monstrous infantry fun though is that they're big and giant and scary lookin and are easily visible from the isometric pov

[jaunty dawn]

Primaris are like twice the size of a guardsman

[wintry mist]

unless they do some crazy work to make the space marines have really cool animations they're just gonna look like heroes vs formation

which are extremely dull battles

[jaunty dawn]

Wait no they made guardsman slightly taller

Idk i think realistically the total war system needs pretty significant changes to do ww1+

[wintry mist]

yeah

[jaunty dawn]

So its not really predictable

[wintry mist]

and I dont think CA will make the changes necessary

[still warren]

There were rumors about the new engine being for a ww1 game before this

Hopefully some actual gameplay gets show off Thursday and not just a cinematic

[wintry mist]

likely just a cinematic

yeah it looks pretty conclusively 40k

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1409193959783268618/1447978170111492156/new-game-has-fleet-actions-v0-hb9ftn41376g1.webp?ex=69399641&is=693844c1&hm=af0cb822cc3950b2fea3775426271ec0fdcf62f844aeb79749342900dbce3a8b&

"fleet action fire missiles"

[still warren]

Guess they would need to include ship combat as well, honestly would be happy with it being battlefield Gothic

[wintry mist]

https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/1bxe0l3/id_just_like_to_remind_everyone_that_40k_total/

Get ready for your hourly dose of "that's heresy" "get the flamer" "shovel" "guilliman's waifu", and all the others memes that have been done to death already and will make the dwarfposting of the last years look quaint and amiable by comparison.

[still warren]

The people will yearn for Dick Half-Mast

[wintry mist]

I hope it'll be good. I dont think it'll be good

but I hope it is

[floral herald]

It’s just Epic scale

[wintry mist]

alternatively I hope it flops terribly and CA get what they fuckin deserve

[wintry mist]

that's still way too small for a total war game

[floral herald]

Yeah it’s a smaller list, it’s hard to find pictures of big armies in epic haha

Cause it’s like a million years old

[wintry mist]

yeah that's fair

I just idk I dont think it'll work

even the big lists are

too small

like that's maybe the size of 2 units

have you seen the wargame-like regiments?

I think that could be a good baseline for what a 40k game could look like

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1109680/Regiments/

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the basic manuever unit is the platoon

[charred bridge]

It's good satire

[wintry mist]

I hope its all red herrings deliberately placed to prime people for 40k and then they announce medieval 3

[charred bridge]

Total war age of Sigmar

[wintry mist]

oh wait medieval 3 was announced

[main pagoda]

yeah med 3 and end times which might could essentially be an entirely different game

[wintry mist]

is it?

[still warren]

The end times dlc does sound pretty significant, whole map is getting redone for a new look

[upper canopy]

End Times DLC does kinda sound like the last big thing they CAN do

[wintry mist]

they have confirmed it wont be apparently?

[still warren]

Yes

Medival 3 announcement, end times, and the 40k spot was all from the 25th anniversary stream last wrek

[main pagoda]

what was the 40k spot

[still warren]

^

Like spotted

[little bay]

the last thing any heretic sees before massive amounts of lasfire

[main pagoda]

theres a large part of me that hopes they dont do 40k tw

i dont see how they can make a "modern" battle field work in total war battles

[still warren]

New engine apparently but yeah tough to see how it would still

[upper canopy]

I mean 40k doesn't replicate modern warfare at all

is the thing

[stark cypress]

Yeah

it's either trench warfare

or some abomination of medieval warfare

[upper canopy]

It's huge blocks of guys running at each other in waves

sometimes tanks are there

[stark cypress]

But now they have cover

[still warren]

Guess we'll see (maybe) thursday

[main pagoda]

yea

[marsh tree]

going to try getting some friends into Blood Bowl

[topaz elk]

Which space marine chapters are the inquisition’s like, go to guys?

I know the Minotaurs are practically the personal army of the high lords but I don’t remember which ones are involved in the inquisition

[pastel rampart]

Red Hunters.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Red_Hunters

[topaz elk]

Thanks

[upper canopy]

Grey Knights, Deathwatch, and Red Hunters.

To a lesser extent the Black Templars

[topaz elk]

Oh yah grey knights and Deathwatch are deeply embedded in the inquisition

If an inquisitor dies what happens to their interrogators?

[upper canopy]

Re-assignned

If possibble

[bright dove]

Depends on the how and why of death too

[stark cypress]

Regular Inquistor: Reassignment to other Inquistors

Heretical Inquistor: Bad time for the retinue

[vital barn]

Marshal Iota was a tall cyborg, with an advanced, adamantine-plated corpus metallica.....

For many of the Adeptus Mechanicus, gender was irrelevant. After centuries of upgrades it was frequently impossible to tell what sex they had been born with, but Iota seemed to revel in her femininity. She was a silver idol to herself. On the other hand, this expression of female perfection was bastardised. Each marvellously sculpted body part was separated by exposed machinery. The joints showed flexible plastek coverings for her inner workings at knee, shoulder, elbow and hand. Her vertebrae of a golden alloy were exposed at the neck and surrounded by wires prominent in their armoured insulation. Two forms of perfection vied in her body – that of sacred humanity, and that of the holy machine. If Primus had learned one thing about the members of the Machine Cult, it was that they were all uniquely strange. The Zar Quaesitor was a ship full of freaks.

Glad to see "man these techpriests are freakazoids" is now in explicit writing

Cawl's Ark Mech is also the size of a small continent

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/queen-queen-music-queen-band-queen-radio-gaga-radio-gaga-gif-7342371857970492931

[vital barn]

there's some real variety in the fanciness of those, since your "generic" Ark Mechanicum is basically just a battleship or grand cruiser with some extra toys

and then the Speranza and the Zar Quaesitor are floating Australias containing a small Forge World's worth of production capacity

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/242697857184956416/1448054605236928582/rn_image_picker_lib_temp_bf68cd4a-1d15-4e6c-8528-f09e0ab13b16.jpg?ex=6939dd71&is=69388bf1&hm=31fc3ab31658bc24634f1e54135c6eeeb30469eb94455fe1440a8f49650a817c&

Friend's been hard at work converting the truck I printed.

[runic swallow]

“Ride the War Rig across the Fury Road to Valhalla, my kamicrazy half-life War Boyz!”

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/242697857184956416/1448056864070959244/rn_image_picker_lib_temp_104970f4-9398-454b-832d-4f4f52fd8a28.jpg?ex=6939df8b&is=69388e0b&hm=1baec6d7e132e0452ac4e59acf4eee0c521e8b86206ed439736d2a343e372ac6&

I printed uh...a lot of ork vehicles for them, haha

[marsh tree]

Grey Knights

[mental birch]

Deathwatch

Technically not a chapter but also part of the Inquisiiton

[past sphinx]

anti xenos brunch club

[floral herald]

Technically speaking the Deathwatch is the true successor to the Imperial Fists they just use Inquisition branding so the high lords don’t get scared

[sweet solar]

there is one way that 40k total war could easily work

mix up the factions just a touch so they work like the setting cannon and not like the tabletop

the imperium is ONE faction and most of evey army is guard, even if space marines lead when they are present

chaos is the other playable faction

MAYBE orcs

later on they can add tyranids, they work perfectly too in huge scales

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I could see a civil war Total 40k game

Proper Badab hours

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total war: horus heresy

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MNO

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I feel like you could do a funny thing in a TW style game where chaos is just the same as the imperium but with Evil Adjectives

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DOUBLE-PLUS UNGOOD

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lol

no escape

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Wrong

APE ESCAPE

https://tenor.com/view/ape-red-scholars-ward-monke-gif-19509498

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theres also just, all the moderately new human chaos cultists

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I was thinking more how much of the Imperium Nihilus is just run by the Black Legion now