Warhammer and Such

[stark cypress]

It would be so funny if the 500 worlds is just setting up a potential Ultramaran seccession from the Imperium.

[upper canopy]

The flag is not on the site

[stark cypress]

And it would kinda make sense in some way

[junior summit]

I did not realize that Joytoy made a 1:18 knight action figure

if it wasn't $813 I would consider it

[tired cairn]

Well, apparently the shirts are that badly photoshopped lol

[junior summit]

though $813 is actually about what I'd expect for a collectible the size of a child

[tired cairn]

(I don't see the flag though)

[tired cairn]

I could not convince my friend to get it even though it would be funny for him to have a toy the size of his own child

[past sphinx]

i love spreading extremely easily fact checked misinformation

[charred bridge]

You have fallen for misinformation, for that you've been promoted to inquisitor

[floral herald]

https://www.reddit.com/r/killteam/s/Rm1Wpee8hP

I think this would kick ass as kill team board

[merry lagoon]

"The quest for knowledge includes all forms of martial combat, junior."

[rocky shale]

Oh no I'm up against gsc this round in my local tourney

[pale narwhal]

the oh no presumably bc you've never played against them before?

[rocky shale]

Not since the start of the edition

And I play eldar so the random mortals off a reductus saboteur scares me

Plus lots of flamers

[mental birch]

Curling monkey paw its Praetorian Guard someone was watching too much Sharpe

[past sphinx]

praetorians or vostraoyans

give me some genuine weirdos again

[sour sequoia]

Show me their list I got you

[rocky shale]

I knew this would summon you

I'll dm it

[sour sequoia]

If you’re playing eldar and know what you’re doing overwatch is not a problem for you

Its a horrible match up if they know better than you abt whats going on, but its not automatic by any means. GSC is always Manual Breathing The Army

[rocky shale]

Yeah I'm not worried about overwatch I'm worried about getting jumped from ambush/DS

The list is very abom heavy

[vital barn]

putting this here for future use

[vital barn]

I have finally found one (1) instance of the Mechanicus not totally disgracing themselves in a field battle

they lose, and with the battle goes another nameless world, so they have not actually gotten a win, but apparently some rando mechanicus managed to hold the millions of necrons of the Stormlord's dynasty up on a single system for three years and inflict somewhere around 5-10% perma-casualties on some fairly large Necron units, which is at least something since none of those crons are ever coming back

good job nameless chumps

you do the Omnissiah honour, the necrons sit around sneering at how Skitarii are worse at everything than Necron troops but they do that to everyone

this one might not have been a forge world, either, since it has an actual Imperial governor

just a forge-ish world

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/KEASw/9bb0c4de3f.jpg

ehehehehehe

[trim spire]

Ugh I love glow in the dark junk

I got some oop vallejo glowing paint that barely works lol

[pastel rampart]

Fluo paint glows under black/purple light so that's a solid second choice.

[trim spire]

Yeah I got that too

I love gimmick paints

[pastel rampart]

Same

[trim spire]

colorshifting also

[pastel rampart]

I dunno how solid this glow in the dark filament will be or how long-lasting but I'm gonna find out.

[trim spire]

godspeed

[pastel rampart]

I know it'll wear out a nozzle real quick but I have a big pack of 0.4mm nozzles so that's not a super huge concern.

[trim spire]

i cant get into 3d printing

cant do that to myself lmao

i can only imagine the kind of madness it would unleash in me lmfao

also i dont want to learn 3d modeling

[charred bridge]

Tbf you can download a ton of stls for free so 3d modeling is optional but it is very much a gateway drug

[pastel rampart]

Yeah honestly I just download existing STLs and print from there, occasionally modifying them.

I've made some very simple things in Tinkercad and it's honestly pretty easy to learn.

[trim spire]

i just figure it's something you can't reach the full potential of without dabbling in modeling at least somewhat

[pastel rampart]

While true, 99% of users aren't going to get the full potential out of it that way and are perfectly content with just grabbing existing files and printing them.

[charred bridge]

I mean that's true in the same way you probably can't unlock the full potential of a car unless you're a mechanic but having a car is pretty nice (essential in the US)

[trim spire]

yeah fair

[pastel rampart]

My friend has had a resin printer for like 5 years and hasn't actually made a model, just modded some files here and there.

[trim spire]

its just a very expensive toy

imo

so any excuse not to blow money on it is kind of a good one lol

[pastel rampart]

So's a gaming console, and yet!

[charred bridge]

Cheapest ones are like $150

And work well enough

[trim spire]

well I dont need another expensive tech hobby lol

[pastel rampart]

Yeah. And shit, I got mine used for $70 and it was practically new.

[charred bridge]

It's only a toy if you make it one there's practical prints

[pastel rampart]

The problem, of course, is the second you get a printer other people are gonna want stuff from you because that's just how these things go.

[charred bridge]

Also for 40k and d&d it's way cheaper to proxy models

[pastel rampart]

Yeah

[charred bridge]

Free filament

[pastel rampart]

That's what I've been telling people lol

[charred bridge]

I used to have a print farm and most of my customers were from 40k and d&d

[pastel rampart]

"Yeah just get the roll of filament you want me to print off of and we'll call it even."

[thin ibex]

you can also buy/commission other 3d printers, it's just that you have less control over the final output

[pastel rampart]

Yeah.

[charred bridge]

It also depends on how much savings maxing you want to do

3d printing models is cheaper financially but may cost your time and sanity

[pastel rampart]

The sanity part cannot be understated because sometimes a model will just fail and you go "but why"

It took me close to 3 weeks of experimenting before I finally dialed in the details and now things print just fine but it was a little frustrating. Very informative though.

[trim spire]

yeah this is my main thing about it

[trim spire]

see

[charred bridge]

I say may cause fdm, what most people see with 3d printers can be a nightmare.

Resin printers are golden poster childs that just work almost every time in comparison with incredibly fine details but often are limited to smaller prints unless you shell extra

[pastel rampart]

Resin printing is, oddly, much more plug-and-play than FDM. You can unbox it, load up a file with supports, and it will usually print just fine.

[charred bridge]

Resin has 1 moving part is mostly why

And man the details are so fine and the layer lines practically invisible especially if you use an acetone vapor chamber

[pastel rampart]

There's other costs associated with resin printing, like needing to clean it up with IPA, disposable gloves, cleaning station, a fume hood so you don't expose yourself to the stink of toxic resin, etc.

Whereas FDM is just...bam, done, pop off plate good 2 go

[rocky shale]

Cue 10 attempts to make a passable FDM jetbike

[trim spire]

tbqh ive got more than enough models on my hands already

[charred bridge]

My ideal combo for models is resin for anything smaller than like a small vehicle and FDM for anything larger

[floral herald]

Cleaning and maintenance for resin printing is also a real chore

[trim spire]

though ive been trying to find someone to print this part of a Spartan I lost for like, years

[rocky shale]

FDM for vehicles and terrain is awesome

[pastel rampart]

Yeah my friend with the resin printer has grumbled about it a few times.

[rocky shale]

I choose to make small things work because I hate myself

[trim spire]

there's this trapezoidal butt-piece that the engine part hooks onto and i lost it or something and now i cant even finish assembling this expensive model

[charred bridge]

My secret is tongs, silicone dishwashable mats everywhere, separate clean and wash machines

[trim spire]

annoying

[floral herald]

Exact same story for me haha

[charred bridge]

Basically just toss tongs and mats in the wash every once in a while

[crimson solar]

"this is undignified, put me down, father"

[thin ibex]

that things at a scale that it could sub in for a real titan on the table right?

[pastel rampart]

Although even with FDM I've gotten some damn good results at 0.08m layer.

Not AS good as resin obviously, but hey!

[trim spire]

its even at a similar price point to just buying a titan

[pastel rampart]

Which piece is it, exactly?

cuz like, we got multiple people here with printers and if we can source the part from a 3D file we can probably do it for ya.

[floral herald]

I think it’s actually cheaper than the warlord model

[trim spire]

by about $400 iirc but that puts you in Warhound Titan pricerange

[trim spire]

uhh i had a diagram let me see if i still have that anywhere

[crimson solar]

I honestly never liked a lot of the titan scale designs, independent of faction

[broken dew]

i mostly fw the imperator for having the big church on it

[trim spire]

theyre all a bit on the disappointing side because they fall pretty far short of actually being like, skyscrapers with guns

[broken dew]

idr care that much for any of the knights or titans on account of the hunch thing

[trim spire]

the Warlord level in Space Marine 1 cranked its scale by an order of magnitude

[broken dew]

also i just

super hate the head designs on a lot of them

mostly the reaver titan

[trim spire]

the reaver is an odd one but i think warhounds have some character

[broken dew]

Warhound is ok

[trim spire]

it makes me think of a bipedal AT-AT

[broken dew]

i think for me the Warhound is the only one the hunch works for aside from the Imperator

i think it has to do with the upper body being really fucking flat and the head being part of that flat shape

[crimson solar]

More of them need melee weaponry

I wanna see cathedrals punching each other

[broken dew]

that's fair

[main pagoda]

they do all have the option for it now

[crimson solar]

this changes everything

[broken dew]

but yeah idk

unless it's the Imperator i just prefer knights

[main pagoda]

a personal fav

[crimson solar]

YYYYEEEEAH!

[floral herald]

I don’t love the Mars pattern titans

But I fw the Lucius ones a lot

[trim spire]

i think the warlord sinister is cool as hell

just conceptually

[trim spire]

its the only AT model I own

[main pagoda]

ill correct myself i think the only one with no melee is the nemesis class

[crimson solar]

I still need to finish my knight. I unfortunately messed up the shoulder plates in a 3AM stroke of madness when I decided that I can get more even results with yellow if I use acrylic spraypaint.

confirming my belief that nothing good happens past 3AM

[charred bridge]

Damn how long did that take at .08

Oh wait that's the thicker one

I usually do .04 or if I care a lot .02 and it's pain

[crimson solar]

part of me wishes they had more heraldry stuff on. Like countless big and small flags and standards on the shoulders. But I guess you can kitbash that

[main pagoda]

its a model on the webstore

[vital barn]

I feel a lot of titans are let down by highly unremarkable paint jobs

Knights on the other hand I look at and just feel nothing

knight sparks no joy in me unless you start really throwing conversion juice at them

[broken dew]

i think i'm too mecha pilled to really enjoy knights and titans

[crimson solar]

Idunno I think knights are wonderful canvases

[vital barn]

Titan warfare is more like naval warfare than it is like Armoured Core

[broken dew]

it is yeah

[vital barn]

which is why I love it, because I love boat warfare

[broken dew]

that is very reasonable

[vital barn]

there's also something nice about having The Biggest Guns, although they all die like chumps in lore anyway so it doesn't happen often

[broken dew]

me personally i wanna see fucking GaoGaigar fly in and just curbstomp a kaiju

[vital barn]

the knight design has lots of big panels to do stuff with but I dislike the shape of them

[broken dew]

https://tenor.com/view/gaogaigar-roll-gif-13589020214503719583

[vital barn]

they're ungainly in a bad way, unlike dreadnoughts and titans which are ungainly in good ways

[broken dew]

since this is essentially where i'm coming from in my big robot enjoyment Titans hit a different kind of mark

[vital barn]

most Knight models are kind of giant haphazard piles of stuff that don't feel either ponderous and grandiose or fast and nimble and stylish

[broken dew]

i do like how ungainly Dreadnoughts look

well most dreadnoughts

i think it's a prime part of the charm of boxnaughts

[vital barn]

if you convert them up and move them in either of those two directions they become way better

[broken dew]

like this thing looks like it can barely move

[vital barn]

also I dislike the smooth rounded carapace that barely extends down the model, they look like they're walking around holding their coats over their heads

but that's relatively easy to fix

[misty violet]

I feel like the Chaos Knights end up looking much better because they move away from looking a little stumpy for that exact reason

[broken dew]

coming back to this

a big reason i love the Contemptor is that it hits that note of a more humanoid robot perfectly

[vital barn]

they still have kind of odd proportions, the carapace and pauldrons are just these huge overhanging blobs compared to the rest of the thing, but yeah, they're a lot nicer

[misty violet]

Like this is a stark difference to me

The arms still feel weirdly short though

[vital barn]

big improvement

[pastel rampart]

So, unfortunately I haven't found that specific part. A lot of the STLs out there just forego that little widget and do a flat back, since the engine glues right over it anyway. Have you considered a strip of plasticard?

https://i.imgur.com/31JHmiE.jpeg It does just fit right over so it's not as if you'd ever see the part in question.

[desert jay]

What actually sold me on the Knight shape was realizing the arms are roughly built like inverted turrets

They're primarily designed to shoot down

[pastel rampart]

Oh like uuuuh 20 minutes? It was sized down to 20mm so it went quick.

https://www.chaosbunker.de/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/HorusHeresy_AoD-BldSpartan-28.jpg also looking further and the plastic spartan is different enough that the specific widget isn't 1:1. Possibly the same overall size and dimension so potentially useful.

[junior summit]

I think double gun knights look a lot better than melee knights

the arms seem less stubby

[misty violet]

I feel like the Atropos body plan, as a modified version of the lancer, is probably the best Knights look

In that it's almost literally just the standard knight but with a more proportional upper and lower body

[pale narwhal]

Cerastus knights are sick af in general tbh

[trim spire]

the problem is that this component basically closes the chassis in the rear, so anything less than the perfect fit will leave gaps in the chassis, but also the engine assembly sort of hangs off of the piece, rather than fit flush to it

i just dont trust my own ability to cut a component to the correct size and shape

[thin ibex]

I think the thing i dislike most about the large titan designs

Is that they often have no secondary weapons

The tau nar has light missile racks and burst cannons, which is cool

Warhound doesn't even have a chin mounted machine gun or twin linked multilaser (which i think would be cool)

[jaunty dawn]

Nostril mounted multilasers

[pine matrix]

Noticing in the background of these death guard are palm trees, Death Guard invasion of Planet Florida?

[jaunty dawn]

Nostril mounted multilasers

[junior robin]

nurgle can have a beach episode, as a treat.

[pale narwhal]

the tau'nar has other issues

namely being a large ground-based bipedal weapons platform instead of an aircraft (which up until the stormsurge existed was the tau doctrine for anti-titan warfare)

[main pagoda]

is that really an issue

sometimes you need the big ground dude

[charred bridge]

I cant believe there isnt a tau titan equivalent

The mech faction

Or even funnier a kroot anti titan weapon

Just a really big kroot

I think if there was an tau anti titan mech they should make it a voltron

Several of the largest battlesuits link up together for a bigger mech, fits well with the Tau belief of greater good and unity

[hollow laurel]

https://youtube.com/shorts/8ag59YCdJ8Q?si=QSRsIUpmZmNG_Iiv

[thin ibex]

I still think this is a problem, but the storm surge isn't going anywhere, so I don't really seek to be curmudgeonly about it these days. Besides, the example was really just to showcase a titan with an appropriate amount of secondary firepower.

[upper bluff]

Tau titan should be a Gundam Styled Super Weapon of big robot with tiny little robot controlling it at the head

[thin ibex]

I just don't think the tau needed a titan really, but also scale has steadily gone up

Once upon a time land raider lascannons were meant to be a believable threat to titans

[pale narwhal]

that is fair

[broken dew]

does Tau have anything like an Ordinatus

[upper bluff]

I guess that's kind the Taunar

Oh wait ordinatus weapon

They probably could build one but I doubt they will

[broken dew]

Weak

[charred bridge]

I wish Necrons had more big units cause it'd be cool

They have the seraptek

I don't care if everything they have is already anti tank, I want a big guy

[floral herald]

The Earth Caste are known for making whacky one off weapons but they’re not usually as cyclopean

[desert jay]

Tiger Shark kinda is like that, big guns on wings

Except they’re much more put together and standardized

[charred bridge]

Manta when it was the titan killer

Although using a small space craft as a unit was like, damn Tau that's allowed?

[floral herald]

Thunderhawk

But the Ordinatus are all bespoke one off problem solvers

[charred bridge]

Earth Caste is wacky but more importantly they know how their things work and can make more

Backed up the manual on how to make everything whereas every emperor class titan or battleship is gone forever if destroyed

[mental birch]

Mantas are the spade bomber

[floral herald]

Sort of a bad example since Emperors are a kind they can still make but in general yeah

[pastel rampart]

Yeah I mean I can keep looking but I'm not sure I'll find the exact part barring someone scanning the whole thing piece by piece.

[charred bridge]

Emperor Titans or ships? I thought the biggest class of titan's STC was either lost or out of the the current imperium's manufacturing capabilities

[trim spire]

its alright it's something i'll get around to resolving eventually

[floral herald]

The ships sorry

[charred bridge]

Ah ok, I thought emperor class was the largest one for ships too but ig that's not it

[pale narwhal]

the Gloriana is the one that can't be made anymore

each primarch had one (and they're not all the same ship class, they're one offs kinda apparently)

[dense sedge]

Was the harlequins combat patrol limited time?

[rocky shale]

I think so

[tall depot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695752206086963240/1444161761480544417/DNIb5d8swU4.mp4?ex=692bb3f3&is=692a6273&hm=e7dd29f4fc54d481d43653d2cc47c21052d5d386912b17d8ffeed270d7461c47&

[tardy vault]

She is the only one playing Warhammer properly

[charred bridge]

For Orks you often throw lots of dice

Me bringing my buckets of dice to roll for sloppy makeout

[junior summit]

I actually like the stormsurge and tau'unar supremacy armor as showing how tau doctrine and order of battle evolves after exposure to the imperium

[charred bridge]

I mean to the Tau they're probably very similar but the Tyranids too

There are so many Tyranids that you don't have space to do mobile warfare as you'll run into Tyranids in every direction. Just got to make a big slow guy that can put projectiles down a zip codes to deal with hordes and biotitans/titans

[thin ibex]

The thing about Tau and something like ordinatus is that technology to them is not an Arcane, religious monolith to them, it's very much just a tool, a means to an end, so they generally don't have any interest in making a big fuck off, over invested gun except as maybe a prototype

Not to say the earth caste isn't eager to try stuff out, they are and do frequently, but there's so much less... eggs basket in their thought process

[junior summit]

I mean they do though, as an evolution of the same line of logic that produced the R'varna and the Stormsurge

the humans "regularly" field giant walkers that the Manta does not perform well against so they build something specifically to fill that niche

[thin ibex]

The Rvarna and Yvara were both experimental and the Stormsurge is a non prototype walker with a specific scope. They're not a weapon-as-a-religious- expression

[junior summit]

they don't need to be weapons-as-religious-icons though?

and the r'varna being experimental doesn't mean it doesn't exist

[thin ibex]

I'm not sure what you're arguing against? I said above the earth caste frequently tries new things

[junior summit]

oh I think I thought this was part of a different line of discussion nvm

[thin ibex]

And that the Tau don't treat technology the same way as the mind set that produces an ordinatus

Ah gotcha

[junior summit]

honestly I think the ordinatus are the closest to the tau mindset since each one is built to solve a specific problem

they're far less religious than a titan

which is still religious but it's not the "walking temple to the omnissiah" titans are

[desert jay]

Yeah, because the Ordinatus are against strict readings of doctrine and would be heretical if not sanctioned

[thin ibex]

Not the part where they're holy relics worthy of throwing hundreds of lives away to protect though. The innovation to problem solve sure

But the tau would prefer a pilot survive by sacrificing a prototype, likely with the test data, rather than throwing away the lives of countless other fire warriors over it

[desert jay]

They're only "holy relics" because that's the framework that they have for "important and valuable piece of tech"

But also like if you're in a titan-scale battle, a thousand infantry might be worth it if the Ordinatus survives to take down a titan or two

[thin ibex]

Tau just don't believe in that kind of attritional trade, that's not a strategy, that's damage control for a military disaster as far as they're concerned

They don't generally have a thousand guys to throw into the guns of their enemies willy nilly, incidentally

Incidentally I do still think that any move by the tau to make something to try and slug it out with the larger titans is a fools errand. It makes more sense to make something just big enough to mount the right weapons with enough range to engage with a first strike advantage and then use coordinated elements in a combined arms strategy to attempt to cripple the titan. Tau weapons don't struggle with imperial armor, generally it's the raw threat and the void shields that make the issue. So the problem isn't "how do I stand and brawl with the titan" its how do I most safely deliver my weapons shots to where the titan is most vulnerable"

[vital barn]

The Ordinatii are an expression of a different doctrine, to be precise

The Omnissiah-as-unmaker-god cult of the Centurio Ordinatus and the Ordo Reductor is far more invested in the works than the instruments of those works

they happily hurl dozens of cheap and slapdash war machines at their enemies without fanfare if that gets them the desired result or the data they need to derive the means to the desired result, because the act of devastation itself is holy

sadly 3e Ordo Reductor no longer have the unit entry for their build-a-bear assault guns but they were a very nice statement

Normal Techpriests consider them a bunch of real weirdos, although the Ordo Reductor was a band of outcasts from the start so which direction that causal chain runs in is unclear

although personally if I was asked to give the Tau an anti-Titan weapon that wasn't a flier it would be a really big hammerhead -type hover tank because I think they look absolutely sick

Devilfish and wave-serpent mounted infantry tempt me to play Tau or Eldar by themselves

[pale narwhal]

devilfish-mounted fire warriors/breachers fuck immensely

they've been a staple of my tau since I started playing them

[vital barn]

if the Mechanicus skimmer wasn't kind of ugly I would be running rather more mounted skitarii

on the subject of the Mechanicus having widely varying doctrines: lmao

Xi-Nu 73 had heard one of his menials tell another that ‘the storm outside
was hurling itself at the ship’s shields’, and he’d berated the worker for
grafting human attributes onto an inappropriate subject. Such
anthropomorphosis would harm the servant’s chances for future elevation
within the Mechanicum.

it is quite interesting that the Mech/AdMech seem to run a spectrum from "obsessed with orthodoxy" to "obsessed with orthopraxy, incredibly relaxed on doctrine as long as the practice is correct" but this is mostly because the writers don't keep it remotely straight and obviously have no reason to

[pale narwhal]

I wonder how closely any of the 30k transports line up to the sillhouette

[vital barn]

alas, not very

the 30k mechanicum transports are colossal, even if the Triaros does have vaguely similar proportions

look how comically huge this thing is for a basic transport

the Dunerider is slightly smaller than a Rhino, you could probably fit the area of two of them in the Triaros footprint

[jaunty dawn]

I mean theyre like malcador equivalents

20 somethin

Or like spartan

[vital barn]

200pts even, so about 20% cheaper than a Raider

used to be 135

the Land Raider equivalent is the Macrocarid, which is only slightly more expensive

[mental birch]

Do i just use this guy as a base for the Myrmidax techpriest?

[pale narwhal]

That’d kinda fuck

Might be a bit big? Idk

[vital barn]

would be quite darkmech unless you replaced a lot of the detail

but it's probably about right in basic structure

how big is he? Abeyant Archmagi are 60mm base dreadnought-sized things, I didn't think that fellow was larger than that

[junior robin]

he got a 80mm base, so should be big enough

[mental birch]

Wasnt sure how to modify him is my issye

Monkie kid demon bull king

Oh also played a weird hack of 7-4e warhammer

Demons are duuuumb

[vital barn]

OK, I have to give ADB some credit for this, this is an extremely cool chekov's gun to make out of the Cybernetica that was made an honorary member of the Word Bearers right back in Act 1

[broken dew]

they turned them into a big fuck off murder robot?

[vital barn]

no, they inducted a battle-automata into the legion decades ago and then sent everyone besides the Mechanicum contingent to battle on Istvaan V right before this scene

the Custodes were attempting to kidnap the Word Bearer's confessor when it showed up, went "there is one Word Bearer left on this goddamn ship" and lit them up for attacking its legion-brothers

[broken dew]

ok that is pretty fucking cool

[vital barn]

traded with one of the three Custodes

well done Incarnadine

[broken dew]

godsdamn

trading with a custodes, honorable death

[vital barn]

battle-automata are consistently the kind of thing that get to give Custodes trouble, they have very very large guns and are durable enough that they don't just disintegrate under guardian spear impacts like regular Astartes do

they're dumb when not directly commanded, usually, but this one was noted to have developed suspicious glitchy independence after its induction

[broken dew]

ah yes

nothing going on there surely

[vital barn]

chaos corruption and/or patterning an engram on an actual demon to make conventional battle automata smarter happens a few times, I have always preferred them to the traditional big fleshmetal blob daemon engines

[broken dew]

yeah digi-daemons are much cooler to me than fleshmetal blobs

[vital barn]

it upgrades them from "big ungraceful clunky thing that is still very dangerous" to "why does it move like that" which is always a good kind of horror

Vorax are merely patterned on predator animals, darkmech Vorax actually act like them

I don't know why Custodes end up fighting automata so often

honestly I have developed enough respect for the matchup that I might get and paint one squad of normal custard creams for when I want to play Loyalists in 30k

a whole army of Custodes removes some of the style, but one squad of halberd badasses works

[broken dew]

mhm

[broken dew]

perhaps to actually have something match up to them

gods know marines ain't doing it

[vital barn]

possibly

they don't seem to fight xenos often if at all, I think 100% of the fights I've seen them in have been against some variant of darkmech, cultists, space marines or chaos space marines

other than that one bit back in the mists of time where the not-yet-codified Custodes got owned by harlequins, which was funny

[broken dew]

Harlequins situation

[sour sequoia]

GSC might have one of the higher kill counts on em I gotta go rack it up

[vital barn]

GSC appear to naturally prey on huge power armoured wannabe protagonists, it is true

[floral herald]

Honestly makes sense for a bodyguard unit

[vital barn]

they don't really show up doing much guarding, although apparently they do have a subdivision who protect various imperial notables

[bright dove]

I mean, the place they're guarding is

Look if something manages to get to Terra, things are bad

[vital barn]

once they got unfolded into a full army list with terminators and tanks and jump pack guys and biker guys and several kinds of HQ then it rather removed the mystique of the perfect golden men with the halberds, honestly

"Custodes Blade Champion" - ah yes, the guy who is more swordy than a shield-captain who is more swordy than a Warden who is more swordy than the regular perfect blademaster that is your line Custode

clearly you're not a horizontally organised order of peers if you have nearly as many ranks and variations as a Space Marine does

[pastel rampart]

In retrospect, printing it on one side facing the plate wasn't the smartest move.

On the other hand this is a battle wagon for a friend and he fully intends on gluing a bunch of plates and rivets n' such on it so it's not a huge problem.

[sour sequoia]

Yeah, a lil bit of plasticard probably fixes that up real good. I’d be tempted to lay mesh over the side of it, like. Chainlink fence gauze bandage for a truck wound. The pattern of support scarring actually is a lil intriguing

[pastel rampart]

Yeah. Like it's not ideal but also it's...orks, y'know? Shit's fucked up and rusted.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/591429239211950081/1442914881958314164/dif9hrn-89fb5af3-e97d-4700-804e-bb4b6a62a1b2.png?ex=692c70b3&is=692b1f33&hm=156b9e1db1ac6f137402a3d61319dc6cca7805281f3432fab2f94f49da8065d6&

They wanted an orky version of this thing from Zenless Zen Zero so we worked together to mod an existing STL to get close to it.

I'm printing out the trailer hitch and I got the container printed, with top and sides removed for easy conversion and painting.

The container itself is 8.5" long so it's gonna be a big boy.

[rose hill]

oh, piper's bar-truck

[pastel rampart]

Yeah.

They have a resin printer so this was just not feasible for them to print but he can easily print the parts for the inside bar section.

[rose hill]

the sons of calydon do have the orkiest member...

https://tenor.com/view/zenless-zone-zero-zzz-dance-dancing-groovin-gif-5028094838469981580

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/591429239211950081/1442997565292417135/rn_image_picker_lib_temp_c8242959-c98f-4fcd-ab84-dc66b9c62303.jpg?ex=692c14f5&is=692ac375&hm=e171ad3c21c792ac9c0fadb45c4b60cec74fec78aade266015eed66fb11fd68d&

They did design and print emblems for it too.

[broken dew]

fun

[pastel rampart]

I think I convinved him to install LEDs as ceiling lights so people can see inside.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408452338622267401/1444421764078637177/G622Co4bkAQhiFx.webp?ex=692ca618&is=692b5498&hm=65780ba3d18f73debeca7f8b989650f8e6f4ecb9233b9d4536ed8c654629e947&

[broken dew]

lmao

[stark cypress]

"THE EMPEROR IS A LIE!"

"NO, YOU FOOL! THIS IS FOUL XENOS HERESY TO WEAKEN OUR FAITH!"

"LIES!"

"STOP!"

A minor doctrinal civil war on an Ecclestical world...before being broken up by the Adeptus Arbites and Sisters of Battle.

[past sphinx]

death toll in the tens of thousands

[mild glen]

Slightly less than the average Tuesday

[pastel rampart]

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/retro-sci-fi-landing-pad-doctor-spork oh shit yeah someone recreated the classic landing pad

[floral herald]

What is this from?

[pastel rampart]

REAL old piece of terrain

https://spikeybits.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/946943f9-original-thunderhawk-2.jpg

At the time scratch-built.

Showed up in a bunch of promo shots and a few battle reports.

[floral herald]

Ahhhh

That’s dope

[pastel rampart]

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/retro-ruined-cathedral He also recreated what still sticks in my mind as "this is 40k"

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/591429239211950081/1444500097848053932/codex_imperialis_back_page.png?ex=692cef0c&is=692b9d8c&hm=ccb179184d1314eb38e4ed0fa0a9f66739c6df315160b45a80254308ca6d12bb&

[floral herald]

I was reminded at first since I just saw a Black Friday sale of a company which just makes Dawn of War buildings as terrain

[pastel rampart]

Oh heck yeah, DoW had some baller buildings.

[floral herald]

https://wachtmeisterspatrol.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/gothic-sector-review-10.jpg?w=723

It’s GF9’s gothic sector terrain

They also do eldar and tau

[pastel rampart]

NIce, nice

[floral herald]

I ran into it at a local store and was struck by how shameless it was haha

[pastel rampart]

Once I finish printing up a few things I'm gonna knuckle down and do a bunch of terrain.

I got so many ruins and trees.

[soft willow]

They also make LI scale terrain.

[past sphinx]

Darktide is almost good now

[floral herald]

He’s the Interrogator so the “fed” is actually a signature

[past sphinx]

Deploying hive gangers against chaos might be the most effective solution

[finite compass]

It’s not like inquisitors aren’t known for accumulating random scum in warbands

[stark cypress]

Yeah

but that probably makes the local Arbites get really pissed that they can't do anything about the scum.

For now.

[upper canopy]

When's ganger out?

[pale narwhal]

Dec 2nd

[past sphinx]

Why would one take a replusor

Looks to big and expensive compared to lancer and half dicked compared to a landraiders mondo hauling capacities

Big plasma aint good either

Ah 180 points for 14 slots that'll do

[rocky shale]

That's only on the repulsor executioner

Repex is 7 slots 220pts and a shitload of guns and +1 to hit against half strength targets

Normal repulsor is cheaper with more slots, a Las talon/gatling cannon main gun and emergency combat embarkation

A gladiator lancer is basically like a predator anihilator

[upper canopy]

just add like

techy bits

[floral herald]

It’s not that hard except for the pistols one as far as wysiwyg is concerned

[marsh tree]

that’s what I thought

Maybe use a chain for the harpoon guy

[floral herald]

Just make sure to match the base sizes

[marsh tree]

Yep

[floral herald]

Since base size is very important in kill team

[marsh tree]

mhm

Think I have some extra sluggas in my bits box

Also the Darkoath box kit with more models, so you can have two additional aspirants

yay :D

[floral herald]

That’s really nice

Aspirants are so cranked they practically make Goremongers a 2 box team

[marsh tree]

I’m really digging this

Problem is, my las pistols come from the Krieg kill team kit, and the Darkoath models aren’t wearing shirts 😔

The more I think about it, the more I love this idea

[marsh tree]

Don’t even need these. Maybe they just come from a. Feral world

[upper canopy]

i think to make it 40k you need SOMETHING

like some flack or whatevver

[marsh tree]

fair

[pastel rampart]

Give chain axes/swords, pistols, some grenades, and that's the basics covered. Everything else you add on is gravy but it'd be believably 40k-ish with just the basic elements.

Using fantasy models for 40k is a time-honored tradition and how much you scale it up to be sci-fi is up to you.

[marsh tree]

Oki!

[floral herald]

One of the benefits of Goremongers is that most of the models don’t have guns too

I think just the harpoon guy and pistols guy

[marsh tree]

At least, not modeled

They all have auto pistols on the data sheet

Not sure what to do with the harpoon guy

definitely don’t have any remotely similar bits 😭

[floral herald]

Oh yeah whoops

I always take weapon chains lol

[marsh tree]

I could make it a chain

[pastel rampart]

Harpoon guy...hm, cut the spear head off and glue a chainsword/axe head as a chain-polearm.

[marsh tree]

Kusarigama

[floral herald]

If it helps the harpoon guy is your weakest/most niche specialist

So you can get away with just not modeling them

[marsh tree]

but that’s for quitters

[floral herald]

Oh yeah it’s also a fun challenge

[marsh tree]

will definitely look through my bits for chainswords

[floral herald]

Kusarigama would be dope if you can find one

[marsh tree]

The shield guys can just swap the swords and axes for chainswords

No one will care if they’re not on a stick

[marsh tree]

might have to 3d print it

I think an Ork Big choppa would be good for the skullclaimer

[paper bluff]

I'd ask why not use the necromunda corpse grinders

[marsh tree]

because somebody was selling off their models for cheap

and also I don’t like their aesthetic

[pastel rampart]

https://gyazo.com/b637efd2cd4ad8ececbcdd7ad341af79 I wake up to them having done some kitbashing, hah

[west zealot]

I just have they mental image of arbites and sobs exhaustedly whacking eccelestilmal members together

[rose hill]

The orkiest!!

[pastel rampart]

L O N G

[broken dew]

Nice

[pastel rampart]

I had it printing at the same orientation as the truck and didn't discover what that did to the truck until I was like...25% or more through the print so I just let it be.

I might reprint it so as to avoid the fucked-up tires.

http://puu.sh/KEGIv/ce9d757c8e.jpg

...or maybe not.

[sour sequoia]

Tires look very sandable

That model render scares me tho

[pastel rampart]

Right?

But also yeah what I'm actually gonna do is use a soldering iron later today to see if I can smooth out the rough parts.

https://youtu.be/9egF0MpjMzw?si=Em5dXcvENl12U4hF I think if I take my time I can at least make it smoother.

[sour sequoia]

Also 🤝 terrain sprint, I’m signing up for like 3 tables worth of stuff for our crusade and a little worried abt doing it on time

But we have multiple sets of like everything GW and FW has made I wanna see it Pretty

[pastel rampart]

Thankfully drybrushing and oil washes can do a lot of heavy lifting for terrain.

[sour sequoia]

Yeah my plan was sponge murder

I don’t own an airbrush yet, still puzzling out how to do it safely when outside is death half the year in this state

[pastel rampart]

Rattlecans will do in a pinch, just hit it outside and immediately run inside if it's too cold/humid/whatever.

Otherwise, spray booth. You can buy one or DIY it--just need a box with a filter inside, and one of those dryer hoses with a fan in it sucking the air either out through a window or a trash can.

https://youtu.be/HNDOHbuBppc?t=166 Trent shows off his DIY one here.

[charred bridge]

Id want ratlings from catachan so I could call them ratachans

[pastel rampart]

https://merch-usa.warhammer.com/products/ultramarines-protest-more-primaris-lts-more-often-t-shirt?variant=56250805649783

[floral herald]

I kinda love that shirt

[upper bluff]

It's the perfect level of irony

[sonic hare]

how many different primaris lieutenant sculpts are there

did they get rid of the blue line shirt lmao?

what a bad idea

[charred bridge]

Was that real or was it an edit

I thought the yikes shirts were photoshopped

[sonic hare]

oh haha

[upper canopy]

No that one's real

the thin blue one isn't real

[jaunty dawn]

The main time there were actually a lot of primaris lts was when they made ones for the angels

And you cant even get them any more

Theres also a few limited ones I think store anniversary n such

[rocky shale]

My airbrush booth just vents into a merv 8 furnace filter and it works great for acrylics

[sour sequoia]

Gotcha gotcha

[vital barn]

found 5 ruststalkers and a manipulus in an ancient kill team box in the bottom of the archives, still on sprue

I don't even remember buying that nearly a decade ago

now I can have a full 10 rustie squad

[jaunty dawn]

Better than my technique of just not airbrushing in winter

[pulsar holly]

Imperium Maledictum is getting the Mechanicus for the next player/GM supplements!

[tired cairn]

How is Imperium Maledictum?

[main pagoda]

It's aight not as good as DH or RT imho

[floral herald]

It’s pretty good I think

Reminds me of DH1e

I think it’s a lot better than RT though

[jaunty dawn]

I think its got stuff that ffg games did better but all the new stuff is very cool

Like uhhh

Patronage in general is just like

Actually providing mechanics for the premise

And zone based combat is functional and mostly a formalisation of mapless totm anyway

Hmm Id say the main thing I prefer about the ffg games is progression in general though

But like I think backporting most of the new stuff to running any of the older games would be cool

[upper canopy]

Its a better DH if you are a player group that enjoys succeeding at some rolls per session

[slim prawn]

had the itch for a IM game on the horizons at some point

[pulsar holly]

I like what I’ve seen of it. Kinda want to play it more than the FFG games.

I also really want to try out Warhammer The Old World rpg

[main pagoda]

is that WHFRP?

in which case it is great

[pulsar holly]

So kinda. There’s WHFRP 4E, it’s still ongoing. Old World takes place several centuries earlier and has a different focus

And I think the mechanics are more similar to Imperium Maledictum?

[main pagoda]

so a simpler WHFRP

[upper canopy]

Actually iirc it uses a dicepool system

[pastel rampart]

https://bsky.app/profile/hazelmonforton.com/post/3m6unk427vs2p

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[jaunty dawn]

Old world rpg is a new thing yeah

[stark cypress]

Gonna start painting up my Pathfinder KT.

Calling them The Spears of Dusk

[past sphinx]

angron and the world eaters wouldve been better if he had landed in a planet that had actual gladiators

still a traitor

but like

angron hulk hogan

[charred bridge]

Angron but traitor because the Emperor is a tyrant instead of the Emperor wronging him

[stark cypress]

Yeah, that would've happened sooner or later.

The Emperor was just another highrider to Angron.

Which then also is a trauma/trigger button due to the Emperor leaving Angron's warrior buddies to die.

[pastel rampart]

Angron World Breaker Hulk

[stark cypress]

Had he not done that then Angron, like Russ, would've been the most loyal primarch to the Emperor.

[pastel rampart]

Surfing through the immaterium atop a chunk of a space hulk, screaming

[stark cypress]

But 40K is just "Hindsight says if the Emperor should even a little more compassion to his sons, a little more kindness to his sons, a little more trust to his sons then it would be different."

[bright dove]

If the Emperor had treated his sons like sons

[broken dew]

Big E's brain 100% smoove

Zero compassion or empathy to be found

[stark cypress]

Yeah

he killed a lot of his compassion due to the reconquest

On top of also doing that spiritually by inserting it into his sons.

Like each of his sons deliberately reflected an aspect of himself.

[broken dew]

If he had taken a single second to think at all about what he was doing when he went to nab like half of his sons a lot of problems could have been averted

[past sphinx]

he didnt need to think

he knew he was "right"

thats probably my favorite part of his character, he is deeply stupid

well no not stupid, he just cannot fathom being wrong. Thus leading to him being stupid

[upper canopy]

If he had treated his sons as his sons he wouldn't have sent them to a war where he'd have to kill them at the end.

[charred bridge]

Well it's hinted some of them would take his place to some degree and he'd retire, like gulliman handling all the admin he would.

Angron was 100% going to be disposed of as even if he would not have butcher nailed he would rebel against the emperor

[stark cypress]

Yeah

but then trying to dispose of Angron would still cause problems.

Man, imagine the Heresy happening not because of Horus.

But because of Brotherly compassion spiraling into violence against 'family' to prevent violence in the first place.

[sour sequoia]

Screaming crying throwing up I love freehanding white on black

[rocky shale]

pain

[thin ibex]

He spends all that time trying to down play things but he's That Guy

So is Jurgen though

[broken dew]

Jurgen and Ciaphas together are simply unstoppable

[stark cypress]

Imperium: Our Greatest hero

Astra Miliatrium: The finest example of a Commissar

Commissariat: An example all Commissar's must strive for.

Adeptus Astartes: Finest example of a warrior.

Adeptus Mechanicus: [Censored] [They know what they did - Inquisitorial Notice of Redaction].

Adeptus Ministorium: See! See! See how our Emperor has made this man holy!

T'au: Quite Honorable

Inquistion: {We know.} {But we will not say anything to not destroy the image of a 'great hero'.}

---

Cain Internal Reaction: EMPEROR NO! YOU FOOLS! YOU IDIOTS! I AM A TRAITOR! A COWARD! A HERETIC! AN APOSTATE! I AM NOT WORTHY OF THE EMPEROR'S LOVE! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Cain External Reaction: Just another day of serving his Divine Majesty

Jurgen's Thoughts: I wonder what Sir would like to eat? Hmmmmm, maybe should go trade with ratlings again for the good stuff.

[pale narwhal]

Working on the Iron Halo taskforce box rn

Got the dreads done (very bog standard), now doing a bunch of kitbashing on the company heroes

Currently got the captain and ancient in subassemblies for painting

[mental birch]

neeerrfd (1000 points)

Chaos Daemons
Incursion (1000 points)
Scintillating Legion

CHARACTERS

Changecaster (70 points)
• Warlord
• 1x Arcane Fireball
1x Herald combat weapon
• Enhancement: Inescapable Eye

BATTLELINE

Blue Horrors (125 points)
• 10x Blue Horror
• 10x Blue claws
10x Coruscating blue flames

Blue Horrors (125 points)
• 10x Blue Horror
• 10x Blue claws
10x Coruscating blue flames

Pink Horrors (140 points)
• 10x Pink Horror
• 10x Coruscating pink flames
10x Pink claws

Pink Horrors (140 points)
• 10x Pink Horror
• 10x Coruscating pink flames
10x Pink claws

Pink Horrors (140 points)
• 10x Pink Horror
• 10x Coruscating pink flames
10x Pink claws

OTHER DATASHEETS

Burning Chariot (115 points)
• 1x Fire of Tzeentch
1x Flamer mouths
1x Screamer bites

Flamers (65 points)
• 1x Pyrocaster
• 1x Flamer mouths
1x Flickering flames
• 2x Flamer
• 2x Flamer mouths
2x Flickering flames

Screamers (80 points)
• 3x Screamer
• 3x Lamprey bite

Exported with App Version: v1.44.0 (104), Data Version: v715

Considering swapping flamers and screamers for 10 more pinke

Pinkd

[deft crest]

Nothing about flamers seems interesting to me, I've been thinking about getting some more demon units to augment my khorne list to make it more undivided but, Other than unclean ones nothing feels like it packs the punch that khorne demons have

is there something about them that i'm missing?

[vital barn]

oh the horror datasheet has kept its cute little rhyme, I like that

I'm glad they can still do their matryoshka doll thing

[floral herald]

They still do

[vital barn]

horrors are easily my favourite standard issue daemons

[floral herald]

Same

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeWNHvqgW7k

[mental birch]

Nothing

I think i just run 40 horrors

And cause problems

Because 30 horrors is already frustrating

Having a 3+ invuln

Is really silly

[deft crest]

Mmm

Pinks get 3?? Damn lucky, letters only have 5++

[mental birch]

Oh n9

They get 4+

Typo

[deft crest]

Still better than letters riiip

-# this is fine bloodletters are stupid good

[mental birch]

They have no threat

Literally they dont die

Becausw of rhe split

And like that rrally amuses me not so diffwrent from nurglinfs

[mental birch]

I just played pure tzeentch in 7e

Holy crap you can just get 2+ rerollable invuln

[vital barn]

alas ruinstorm daemons cannot get tzeentch-pilled enough to run splitting daemons

if they could I might use some to run interference for my beep boops

persistent scoring meat with Deep Strike is in short supply this edition

[mental birch]

Imo like 2-3 units ot castallax with tech priests seem really good

[sour sequoia]

6 flamers w/ exalted is an obscene amount of torrent with AP for under 200pts

They’re actually quite tough at 3 wounds per body and a 4++

Assault and fall back + shoot is phenomenal. You really can’t turn them off.

[mental birch]

Agtually i love at how similar the opposite basic demons are

Ahahhaa

[sour sequoia]

Or, for context: GSC and orks flat out do not fuckin care about any other units in daemons and will pick it up on demand

Literally who the fuck is belakor, dork ass loser has done nothing in 40k ever

Flamers? Forced to respect.

[mental birch]

Scintilating legion is a great nonsense legion

Detqchment

[sour sequoia]

Skarbrand? Bitch
Rotigus? Bitch
Uppy-downy bloodthirster? Bitch

[deft crest]

you take that back you worm

[vital barn]

they're hard as nails but they're not fast, and you really want to be on points round 1

I'm leaning towards reductor priests with thallax

[mental birch]

Dont the priest slpw down thallax?

[mental birch]

I've taught guard double dorn at 1k to respect 30 horrors

[sour sequoia]

The deciding factor for killing any of those in GSC is point the goliath truck’s guns at them on top of the 190pt metamorphs+leader that got out of the truck

Flamers simply delete the unit for getting out of the car

[vital barn]

yeah, but the Thallax still have the 10" move, so they can make it to cap distance of a centreline point from the start line while stringing out the unit slightly

[mental birch]

My asthetic vibe hates that hahaha

[vital barn]

and they're still heavy weapon assaultdevastatorvets

[deft crest]

If something gets to shoot skarbrand I've done my job wrong.

[sour sequoia]

The big point is theja they’re a little bit boring until you realize the area denial of flamers you can’t turn off

You can’t tag em they just float away and shoot you again

[deft crest]

I'll shoot you again

Anyway i'll look into nabbing some

[sour sequoia]

So they’re actually dummy good frontline and objective holders, especially together with horrors because 90% of armies in the game have to Pick One. Even GSC has to focus fire and spend Strats to safely remove horrors

[deft crest]

I want to replace the skullcannons

Skcannons have 4++ and force battleshocks on hit but

they feel like they underpreform on actually DOING anything besides force people to give up objectives via battleshock check

[sour sequoia]

Skullcannons are better in plague legion than anywhere else I’ll be real

You have powerful shooting in daemons and its not like khorne detaches are buffing shooting anyways

[mental birch]

Omg yeah you cannot casually pick up horrors

They refuse to die

[sour sequoia]

I mean, 50 metamorph sweeps picks em up on odds iirc

But they’re so fucking annoying I don’t wanna be sweeping shit I wanna be dumping strikes into belakor

[vital barn]

I am very glad that the electropriests have finally become the big fucker removers I always wanted them to be

I'm still not sure they can handle horrors

I assume the split doesn't give the unit a "health gate", right, you can just keep killing from pink to blue to yellow if you can do enough wounds in one volley?

[sour sequoia]

If you gib the unit in one activation, you dont split at all

Corpuscarii with the manipulus absolutely body the horrors

[mental birch]

Yeah but like you have to guarantee that gib

[vital barn]

ah, I missed that clause

[sour sequoia]

especially haloscreed

[vital barn]

OK, taser boys are going to wreck these

regular skits aren't though

they can fire into that all day

[mental birch]

But scintilating legion's giant pile of rerolls

Are like

Sometimes the rerolls gonhot

[vital barn]

which is an issue because skittles + battleclades are normally my GEQ chump removers

and they do have the Tzeentch-standard 4++

[mental birch]

You have to put serious firepower into them

[vital barn]

they do cost a lot, so I guess they're not really chaff

or at least they're a more pricy tier of persistent chaff

[sour sequoia]

Marines armies typically wont have volume for it outside a full bolter intercessors, a full repex, or a sternguard’s go turn

So horrors get away with shit

[mental birch]

And then scintillating legion lets then get away with more bullshit

[vital barn]

10 corpuscarii with manipulus with a little crit help is on average 30 autowounds + a bunch of S5 hits, so they'll take this squad down if they have to unless they have a colossal durability buff somewhere that I can't see

[mental birch]

Its the horror bullshit detachmenr

[mental birch]

Fhey roll that 6 and 1/2 your taswr hits doesnr

5 or 6

[vital barn]

I am sorry that is mostly unintelligible

[mental birch]

Oh eer 1cp strat

Roll a d6 all attack rolls of that number are removed from the attack sequence

[sour sequoia]

Goofy strat

[vital barn]

you know, I am willing to take that chance since I am pretty sure they still die on average with a decent margin to spare if that happens

[sour sequoia]

This is a CP for abt a 1 in 3 chance of mattering for corpuscarii

Dont get me wrong: super good, it hoses marines armies

[mental birch]

Oh you shooting

[mental birch]

50% because of the flux rerol

Ahhaa

[vital barn]

if I do hit the crit 5+ then even if they disappear the 5 or 6 they take 12.5 wounds on average, so odds are decent

• whatever the manipulus does

with his flamer thingy

but that does soak up strats I would rather be using making belakor vanish in one shooting phase

[mental birch]

And the horror ball lives to split on even odds

[sour sequoia]

Yeah that aint bad

[vital barn]

Be'lakor I think just becomes jam, although he is basically the perfect target for the corpuscarii bomb

[mental birch]

Yeah he does

S legion is so gooody

Goofy

[vital barn]

I still find it hard to remember that he is now this giant fuckoff satan model rather than the teensy metal boy he's been for the last zillion years

I cannot take him seriously

[sour sequoia]

So the corpuscarii thing is interesting because getting the half the unit or so and one split is good

They probably just charge you after and kill the rest

It is a trade up on shooting alone

[vital barn]

I do currently only have 10 models who would be good corps, so I can't just roll out the full two murderbricks in transports

sometimes they will have to be fulgurites instead

oh woe is me

(fulgurites still great)

[sour sequoia]

But when it’s 30 swings with 5+ crit sustain lethals in melee

[vital barn]

the fun thing about Cawl's oath here is that I can more or less just lean on Conqueror because I can designate two fairly important targets to die in shooting without the ballistic skill buff

corps don't care about BS, Breachers have their own rerolls integrated, melee guys don't shoot, secondary target gets oathed and shot by all the other boys if necessary

3+ rerollable is better than 4+ rerollable but not by a gargantuan margin

[dense sedge]

I wonder if the dark heresy game will use rogue traders character systems and if new stuff will be added if it does

[past sphinx]

why would you ever use the instigator bolt carbine on the eliminators

[floral herald]

If the sergeant has one you get to move after shooting

I think that’s it tho

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah

I think it was more viable when you could take squads of 6

[sour sequoia]

That is in fact the case

You run fusil pairs and funny sarge to shoot w/ heavy and then scooch 6”, or jump-shoot-jumps

[vital barn]

"if the sarge has gun X, you get rule Y" is such a funny rule

[jaunty dawn]

Movement does win the game

[past sphinx]

ah i see the rule now

goofy

but effective

[vital barn]

almost any other edition would have that as a wargear option on the sarge, and even in 10e there have to be better ways to format it than that

[jaunty dawn]

Its cause he can go bam bam bam while they run

[past sphinx]

its more godwyn pattern bolters for the wolves

[jaunty dawn]

Like the reason the gun exists is that its in the kit

[vital barn]

sorry john, you don't get the laser AMR but you will be taught the secret technique of firing your gun in the air to make the rest of your squad jump exactly 6"

[jaunty dawn]

The reason the gun gives a special rule is because there needs to be a reason to replace a special weapon with a basic one

[vital barn]

I choose to believe that this is just startling the other members of the squad into moving because he doesn't have to actually fire it at anything

that or strongly incentivising them to move by bouncing dud bolt shells off their armour

[thin ibex]

It's i think tactically just that you reduce firepower in order to gain more mobility, which can result in avoiding danger and/or getting VP.

[vital barn]

it makes sense mechanically, it just looks funny

[sour sequoia]

Its a neat way to make the sarge matter, 95% of the time in primaris they actually are worse models than the rest of the unit

“Here’s my unit full of specialists, and Jimmy Dipshit with the power sword and plasma pistol”

[tepid stratus]

The havoc problem, actively losing out on a heavy weapon and forced to take a chainsword and flamer

CSM doesn't really have any other specialist units like that, the rest the sergeant is just a straight upgrade with a better melee weapon and/or a plasma pistol. Pretty sure intercessors are the same way but don't know loyalists well enough to speak on the other primaris infantry

[desert jay]

IIRC it's usually another specialist in a red hat

Only a few squads have the sword and pistol guy

[thin ibex]

I think it's just like... classic warhammer in that the imagined application is that the squad can be insulation for the sarge who is actually a threat in melee, because the basic primaris squad is supposed to be a threat at range and melee, as like a basic all rounder unit

It doesn't really work out that way

[desert jay]

And then like you have intercessor squads where everyone is a dipshit and sarge's pistol is actually an upgrade option

[thin ibex]

It's like the classic loadout for a dire avenger exarch is the shuriken pistol and diresword, but no one will ever take that now except for pure flavor reasons. There's no reason not to take dual shuriken rifles

Heck there's pretty much no reason to take the shimmer shield or the glaive either

Other than them looking pretty cool anyway

And at the end of the day you should build the model to look cool

Commenting on aeldari, it also feels like there's very little reason to take the banshees triskele

It improves the shooting of a non shooting unit. The exact flip of the usual "why is the sarge bad at what the squad does" for ranged units

Tbh I'm still kind of enamored with having pistol and sword sarges instead of mono loads

I do wish that sarges came stock with higher leadership and that precision let you target sergeants

[tepid stratus]

Unless you're building them for kill team in which case it's good

Honestly kill team resolves these issues because of the nature of every model being independent and having some melee dudes being important

[floral herald]

Pistol and Sword DA exarch is still a little questionable in KT

Mostly just because it could be a SS or HB exarch

I dig BoK so much design wise

[thin ibex]

I just like the lore around the diresword, i dont remember if theres equal lore for the glaive

but every diresword is like a semi sentient sword with a soul stone in it

which supposedly makes it extremely deadly to get cut by

cause that other soul soul-blasts you or something on contact

[floral herald]

It’s pretty good in KT

[deft crest]

Got distracted, Not taking khorne detach, Its lackluster and I get more out of being able to drop within 6" of enemy with incursion

[sour sequoia]

Incursion is one of the best detachments in the game yeah

[deft crest]

I like the ploys you get with khorne but like

Murdercall is very pathetic

I feel like anything in this game that goes off when you move within x" is just movement denial because otherwise its just a "oh my opponent forgot" which never feels good to capitalize on

[sour sequoia]

It is indeed movement denial

[pulsar holly]

Yeah, if I recall he and Malcador had planned for Magnus to sit the Golden Throne, not either of them.

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/591429239211950081/1445163901594505359/20251201_162226.png?ex=692f5943&is=692e07c3&hm=0d370ca88763076605a7226a8ba2dca25ca06453bf7dcaa4a07977bad355d8c0&

ayyyy

glow in the dark filament seems to work well

[viral crest]

Oohh

[pastel rampart]

This is mostly for xmas gifts for a couple of people and so the actual use case for wargaming stuff is a bit limited. I think neon filament would be better since you can string a bunch of black or purple lights around and have a fun glow without having to submit the table to total darkness, hah.

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408452338622267401/1445178378843062404/image0.jpg?ex=692f66bf&is=692e153f&hm=a446dfb580a08f289148ccb9fdc6f8e4f7313c7940c0d7a91565d2fae94f430a&

[charred bridge]

Wasn't the golden throne not complete yet and kind of killed malcador and made emps eepy cause it's incomplete

Never got around to fixing the kills mostly anyone that's sit in it issue

[pastel rampart]

It was complete but Magnus fucked it up.

The Golden Throne requires a very powerful psyker to run the thing which meant either Emps or Magnus; Malcador was only powerful enough to run the thing for a scant few hours.

[upper canopy]

The Throne itself was complete it was just also built directly atop a direct portal to hell

Which I must posit is not Magnus' fault that the Emperor consolidated all power onto himself and then decided his magnum opus was putting a hellmouth directly under his asshole at all times.

[floral herald]

Putting my ass above your dimension so I can shit on these beings

[pastel rampart]

https://media.tenor.com/WARWUfTJ_mIAAAAe/dracula-flow-speech-bubble.png

[hardy harness]

PRAISE BE TO THE OMNISSIAH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNi4hyXNQ9E

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-adeptus-mechanicus-mechanicus-warhammer-tech-priest-gif-14919800332216808310

[tepid stratus]

So I may be getting into necrons

Need to plan out my purchases

[pale narwhal]

love that pink glow

[dawn mesa]

I'm confused by Kill Team, since I can't find a way to get this answer in the app - can you still use various "normal" 40k units in Kill Team,

or does it have to be the listed Kill Team groups.

[brittle salmon]

It has to be units from the listed groups - you can't plop in Crisis Suit Jones anywhere, but some kill teams just use models from existing squads that can be proxied with relative ease

Blades of Khaine is basically just Eldar Aspect Warrior models

Mandrakes are...Mandrakes

Etc.

[pale narwhal]

yeah

some models for 40k are kill teams that are released with the killteam tokens and such in their box

but can also be used in 40k

but it has to be specific teams

[mental birch]

anyone play demons?

[broken dew]

https://youtube.com/shorts/vmPXJ55dAN0?si=fPd5tX0ARDWOexWB

[mental birch]

Also Mechanicum players

do I just give my Myrmidax Magos a thunderhammer and meltagun

and just

free shoot

[pale narwhal]

It’s not an awful idea, really

It’s a nice trick up the sleeve

[mental birch]

Hoping a melta melee shot

Is enough

[vital barn]

A plasma fusil is also good, since an Archmagos crits some 33% of the time when cybertheurgy buffed

shame they can't take darkfire cannon

[vital barn]

Finished the Night Lords trilogy

It's peak

[broken dew]

So i've heard

[vital barn]

it does a very good job making you like and feel for the poor little child flayers from planet megacrime

[mental birch]

Wait which cybertherugy?

[vital barn]

Guide

BS7

[mental birch]

Huh

Kinda want to charge him in and go feral

Lol

Melta to face before a fight sounds reallt funnt

[vital barn]

you can also crit with the melta, and a D4 melta crit is an instakill against anything other than an Eternal Warrior unique character or a terminator praetor

but it's rather less reliable than the plasma hose

I think there may also be a case for a Master Sarge myrmidon secutor with dual fusils doing the same thing

[mental birch]

Oh yeah definitely is tbe main reason i wasn consierinf melta

Like as fsr as i can tell magos can survive the first round first strike

[vital barn]

never mind, apparently you can't master sarge those because Myrmidon Lords aren't actually Sergeants

still BS6 WS6 with Guide and Battle Meditation isn't bad

[vital barn]

Myrmidon's Path happens before either model swings, so you may not have to

[still warren]

https://www.ft.com/content/e11e5548-e0a7-4b00-bacf-9a3c7769f417

[junior robin]

finally, the emperor's royal skeletons primaris Lieutenant

[mental birch]

Yeah but melta to face followed by thunderhammer

Seems really funny

[paper bluff]

https://bsky.app/profile/doctorspork.bsky.social/post/3m6yvfmeyjc2y

Doctor Spork (@doctorspork.bsky.social)

Me: Would you like to see my 2000pt orc regiment?

Them: You mean 2000pt orc and goblin army?

Me:

#Oldhammer #Warhammer #Nerdlings

Bluesky · Dec 2, 2025, 12:00 PM

[soft willow]

That's almost 200 orks in a single regiment.

[pastel rampart]

lmao yeah a friend sent me that photo the other day and we spent some time puzzling on where he got those and it turns out he just...sculpted them and had a dude make casts.

In pewter.

Because why not.

Note that Doctor Spork can sculpt in 3D but he committed to the bit and I cannot help but respect that.

[strong owl]

mad respect damn

[upper bluff]

Casting your own Pewter minis is a power move I couldn't imagine

[strong owl]

speaking of old hammers............. im almost done this dumb thing lol

[pastel rampart]

In another, better world, you'd be doing Black Library covers for mad cash.

[strong owl]

i've learned so much blender doing these renders lol

its been so much fun

also so many crashes by accidently adding an extra digit in geometry nodes...

[pastel rampart]

They honestly slap so much fuckin' ass, A++.

[pastel rampart]

https://cults3d.com/en/users/Doctor-Spork/3d-models Oh btw you might like some of his stuff, he does some oldhammer-style terrain.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/591429239211950081/1445068632731418644/finished-the-retro-styled-dark-angel-grav-tank-heresy-army-v0-v0mqt23s6f4g1.webp?ex=692fa94a&is=692e57ca&hm=e09be5c5c669d502795d0626117a21877c2b0b7c8ca1a6c896940f9beb4bd23e&

Bro is committed to the look.

[trim spire]

deodorant marines

[pastel rampart]

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/retro-space-knight-heavy-apc I'm gonna print this one up soon because finally someone did a version that is almost 1:1 with the OG land raider

[strong owl]

i've been looking its so cool

[strong owl]

god this fucks so much

i want those grav tanks

the main issue with my 2nd edition primaris marines is it prevents me from doing 1st edition primaris marines :V

[pastel rampart]

He's got files for the grav-tanks!

[strong owl]

NEED

[pastel rampart]

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/retro-hover-apc https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/retro-hover-attack-tank

[strong owl]

beautiful

[floral herald]

Oh sick

[strong owl]

i've been working on giving this guy siblings as my current paintything

but... maybe after it... and the assault squad...

[pastel rampart]

Gonna do an attack bike to match?

[strong owl]

not exactly. gonna make a matching retro Invader ATV

[pastel rampart]

Aaaah.

[strong owl]

they're not just retro marines, they're specifically primaris units backported to the Codex Ultramarines style

for example, here's an incursor with a haywire mine

(i had to design my own phobos and gravis armours lol)

[desert jay]

Ahh good ol 2e

Where the SM codices were Smurfs, Angels, and Woofs

[jaunty dawn]

Beak phobos is fun

[strong owl]

this is what my impulsors look like

[desert jay]

"Which Angels?" you say? Yes

Blood Angels and Dark Angels shared a codex named Angels of Death

[pastel rampart]

Owns tbh

[rocky shale]

The hover rhino yute

[strong owl]

i own it! its super cool, even more than codex ultramarines you can see the Modern Space Marine really get locked in with that one

[rocky shale]

Amazing

[pastel rampart]

I had to modify an existing STL for my rhinos because it was like 90% there but didn't have the retro top hatch or front panels.

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3839490 This thing. Very modular tho which is handy.

[strong owl]

that looks rad

[desert jay]

Nice! And makes sense, it was the third of the three released and came out right before 3e which locked in a lot of other 40k stuff

[strong owl]

i've been having a blast sorta... reverse-engineering the aesthetic? the only problems i have is that, firstly, dissecting the primaris stuff to make their retro versions has made me kinda love primaris models mostly, and also the remaining models i can't love are a nightmare to try and convert over

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/KENoz/df5add92c6.jpg

[strong owl]

i have no idea how im gonna make retro inceptors

[pastel rampart]

Was easy enough once I got things aligned properly.

[jaunty dawn]

More jet engines

All over the place

I like inceptors they have heavy bolters as pistols a technology no one else uses for some reason

[strong owl]

probably something like that yeah lol

[pastel rampart]

Gotta smooth out some stuff still and have a friend print out the hatches in resin but like, 99% close enough to be a classic rhino which is all I wanted.

[jaunty dawn]

Thats not true the phobos mech has one too but that makes more sense

[strong owl]

fortunately i have a ton of stuff to paint before i have to deal with inceptors. really looking forward to doing these extremely stupid tacticool sternguard

[rocky shale]

Rocket boots

[jaunty dawn]

Yess the operators

[rocky shale]

Is that a shoulder fired bolter?

[strong owl]

heavy bolter yeah

that's what they used to look like

[rocky shale]

Amazing

[pastel rampart]

Shoulder mounted heavy weapons is classic.

[strong owl]

(here's whats done so far. im the slowest painter in the universe)

(there's also the bike ofc)

[desert jay]

Looked up the 3e assault squad and dang I love those chonky jetpacks

[jaunty dawn]

I also like though when fw made the classic missile launcher but a hand held version

[desert jay]

As Inceptors are gravis jetpack guys I think the responsible choice is making the jetpacks even chonkier

[pastel rampart]

Jetpacks with FOUR jet engines.

[strong owl]

yessssss

[rocky shale]

Inceptors with just a space shuttle backpack

[desert jay]

Also apparently they have this alternate helmet option?

[strong owl]

i've been strongly considering just straight up doing a buzz lightyear dome for that lol

[main pagoda]

i do love that helmet

[pastel rampart]

Ugh these are gonna be annoying to clean up and pin.

[strong owl]

i love those models so much

[jaunty dawn]

The old metal raptor lord had a triple nozzle jump pack

[pastel rampart]

SAME

Metal scouts are the best scouts.

I do NOT like the last plastic ones, they just look weirdly deformed.

[strong owl]

i basically copied them for mine, with a few little details from the Rogue Trader era scout sculpts (because the 97 scouts are technically just past my cutoff of the release of the 3rd ed plastic multipart tacticals)

(i'm really proud of the missile launcher based on the hunter-killer box)

[paper bluff]

I still really want somebody to make a retro Style necron cryptech

[pastel rampart]

Hell yeah those are some good scouts

[paper bluff]

Give me terminator cryptech

[jaunty dawn]

Needle rifle?

Also the baby faces

[pastel rampart]

I'm a bit less purist on my cut-off date. Like all my tacticals are the monopose "I love my bolter" marines and scouts are obviously metal, terminators are the 2nd ed Space Hulk ones, but honor guard are the 4th ed metals because I found'em for cheap and death company are the 3e ones because I just love their look.

Couple of HQ choices are 3rd or 4th.

[strong owl]

yep. and i wanted them to look maximally babby, especially because these are ultramarines

[pastel rampart]

If I find'em for cheap on ebay and they're before 5th ed I just like, get'em.

[strong owl]

they got in after doing good on the space marine entry exam

[pastel rampart]

Not everything but most of my retro BA army.

Bonus idiot trying to see what I'm doing.

[tired cairn]

"parent, let me play with the miniatures. Please parent"

[pastel rampart]

She has been ALL up in my grill this morning it's a little funny

Climbing onto my chair and desk, sniffing my nose for some reason, nestling between my back and the chair.

It is snowing so maybe she's just cold, I dunno, weird cat.

[paper bluff]

https://youtu.be/kRs67-Wu_wM?si=STTRdUHoWCDwUcC6

https://youtu.be/AtuvMYgaqt0?si=2CWv2DLxMVu7JtoF

[pastel rampart]

Oh don't worry I have plans for painting them

(lots of airbrushing lmao)

I'm also matching them with my friend's tyranid army, which is all on snow bases, so to help with that I'm gonna start with a purple base and then airbrush on red. The purple will help with shadows for the snow on the bases and also give a slightly 'cool' look to the red.

Just hints of it in the recesses but I think it'll look good.

[tired cairn]

Winter is cat snuggle season

I too have plans to paint all my miniatures

[paper bluff]

Aye, so many of us have that plan lol

[sour sequoia]

I’m becoming a shill for purple basecoat everything, the best black I’ve done is like.

Full coat purple-> heavy sponge/drybrush pthalo green, purple glaze, warm grey spongin over that.

Trying to think if I can get better angles. Good way to get depth on black basically

[pastel rampart]

Ooooh, yeah that's a good "machine black" look, gives it kind of an oily sheen.

[strong owl]

hell yes

those are rad

[jaunty dawn]

Perfecttt

[pastel rampart]

Absolute perfection, 10/10 no notes

[sour sequoia]

If you look around for Aos Wrathmonger parts, that’s probably your best bet

[marsh tree]

Not a bad idea

[sour sequoia]

Print the chain and swap whatever’s on the end for a blade since normally they’re swinging fuckin. Khornate Anvil Meteor Hammers

[marsh tree]

one more kit to grab 😭

[sour sequoia]

Oh god dont buy the whole kit

Thats just what I was sayin to look for in STLs since its Khorne and chains

[marsh tree]

thanks

Might comb facebook marketplace

[pastel rampart]

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/kusarigama-barbatoskun-2

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/steampunk-dwarf-personal-harpoon https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/skyfarer-harpoon-turret

[marsh tree]

thanks! will look at these once I'm out of school because they blocked cults3d for some reason

[floral herald]

One of the vampire guys for Warcry has a kusarigama

Not sure about STLs or anything

These guys

[marsh tree]

honestly never expected those to be in an actual kit

[floral herald]

They’re cool

Ascetic vampire martial artists who only drink the blood of the truly skilled

Iirc

[pastel rampart]

Blood Dragons of a different stripe.

[marsh tree]

leader looks vaguely drukhari

[pastel rampart]

Vampires in warhammer have slowly transformed from "classic vampire" to "vaguely elfish" since like, 7th ed WHFB.

AOS has really allowed them to be Weird Freaks™.

[past sphinx]

oh fuck yeah

[marsh tree]

gonna ask my mom if I can go on her laptop and check Facebook marketplace when I get home

[junior summit]

Heh I can still see the deodorant

[jaunty dawn]

The new thing of reusable deodorant cases is killing the hover tank industry

Thats why they went extinct

[thin ibex]

which faction in your opinion for 40k has the most "What the hell is that thing and what does it do?" going on for it?\

My votes are GSC and Nids

with an HM to Mechanicus

[vital barn]

Mechanicum then Mechanicus

[thin ibex]

mostly because you can look at mechanicus stuff and go "Ah, it has gun, it must shoot gun"

[vital barn]

reverse that if you're talking about the physical models rather than the in-universe ones

in-universe Mech have a lot of strange gribbly things

[thin ibex]

phyiscal is what im thinking about

born from like

a friend telling me back when he used to play, a big advantage for nids in his local meta is how little peopl actually knew about them and their units

[vital barn]

in Horus Heresy it's either Ruinstorm Daemons or Mechanicum

Legions are all predictable, Solar Auxilia are all fairly obvious dude with XYZ, Custodes are all the same melee blender gold man

[past sphinx]

nids are like the ultimate black box

everything is a goober

some sorta problem with demons

[past sphinx]

damn thunderfire cannon still got hands

[sour sequoia]

Genestealers and then Daemons and then Nids in that order imo

Thousand Sons are up there when they’re strong in 10th, because the big shit doesn’t matter and then rubricae kill god

And the infernal master points at a second unit and solos it

Genestealers has what I think is the highest variability on what its units’ appearance is to its function, and also units’ function relative to the current detach they’re playing—neophyte 20-mans kill virtually anything besides rogal dorns in host of ascension or final day, and become absolute dogshit scoring chaff anywhere else. Similar with bikes anywhere vs Outlander, or purestrains anywhere vs Biosanctic

[mild glen]

FLGS Warhammer Guy is attempting to inform me that I must now play Ultramarines.
He did not accept Blood Ravens or Raven Guard as a compromise.

I am now doubling down on Drukhari out of spite.

[vital barn]

inflict dark lance until problem resolves

[jaunty dawn]

lmao why

does he have a campaign to take the F out of FLGS

[dense idol]

did you meet James Workshop himself

[vital barn]

huh, is the Dark Lance just a lascannon now?

well, I suppose that's not the strangest

[tired cairn]

always has been

[jaunty dawn]

I think it's the other way around

[vital barn]

I think it was S8 with Lance at some point but Lance now means something completely different to what it used to so sure, it can be a lascannon, they do the same job

[jaunty dawn]

oh in that sense yes

since 8e it was just a better lascannon and then in 10e lascannons got buffed to equality

[vital barn]

I like dark lances purely because the 30k mechanicum stole them and now I am in common cause with the Dark Eldar in popping tanks by scribbling all over them in black marker pen

[tired cairn]

It is weird that Lance is a melee thing now. Are there any melee weapons called Lances in 40k right now?

Oh, Taser Lances

[jaunty dawn]

rough riders

[pale narwhal]

there were power lances and various spears/lances on cavalry, yeah

[jaunty dawn]

oh yeah and sydonians

[pale narwhal]

all of which did extra stuff on the charge