Is Lorgar the devil then
#Warhammer and Such
broken dew
sweet solar
"hey man thats not the emperor im afraid the warp presence has instantirted on the unrelated fetal clone soul"
sweet solar
Is Lorgar the devil then
now lorgar could actually be the jesus to them tbh
hes been preaching the good word since day -10k
broken dew
I'm no longer down with the trinity
Guilliman being jesus against his and the jerky emperors wishes is funny
sweet solar
to the ecclesiarchy this could be a new horus heresy to not be following the true light of the emperor divine and instead clinging to his worshipful machine flesh from which the divine was birthed
broken dew
Lorgar being jesus is not as funny
broken dew
to the ecclesiarchy this could be a new horus heresy to not be following the tru...
Ecclesiarchy vs Mechanicus
Nah he'd be into it
sweet solar
honestly personally i find it *more* funny
luigi wins by doing nothing vibes
like hed be into it but the surviving imperial primarchs would not be
broken dew
True
desert jay
Lorgar is actually Peter
broken dew
Are the Primarch's the disciples
desert jay
Not all of them but I think it fits Lorgar pretty well
broken dew
is Horus Pontius Pilate
sweet solar
guilliman: "lorgar why tf are you on terra"
lorgar: "check the new eagle tats big man im on your side now :) i love our god daddy :) what you dont think hes divine :) sounds a bit :) heretical to me :))))"
broken dew
I guess Sanguinius is predictably Jesus if Horus is Pontius Pilate
sweet solar
i think all the primarchs would be different ideas of jesus tbh if we are going full crimbostian with it, as the suns of god
broken dew
Or Big E just takes up all three roles and The Omnissiah gets to be Jesus
sweet solar
what if every view of jesus was a different guy
broken dew
The Omnissiah could be jesus i think
sweet solar
guilliman is like. a historical "just a really cool jewish guy" jesus. but the ecclesiarchy want him to be american jesus
sweet solar
the omnissiah would be one of the heresies that see the trinity as not distinct from one guy
broken dew
The Ecclesiarch is a mega church pastor
sweet solar
"its all just the machine bro"
broken dew
True
broken dew
guilliman is like. a historical "just a really cool jewish guy" jesus. but the e...
Ok new idea
Guilliman is Brian from Life of Brian
"HE'S THE MESSIAH"
"But i'm not the messiah!"
"He's humble... Just like the messiah should be!"
broken dew
i'm a big fan of the Anchorite just ofr how fucking awful it is
broken dew
"Oh man you really biffed it this time, we're putting you in the sensory deprivation iron maiden, you're gonna fight until you die and you can never hear your sisters again"
desert jay
Yeah the anchorite is actually armored specific because they don't want your suffering to end prematurely
broken dew
it's so awful
To those Repentia who not only fled, but betrayed their Sisters, an even worse fate awaits. After being wired into a Mortifier they are further entombed behind a thick adamantine casing resembling an Iron Maiden. This sarcophagus protects their tortured bodies from the release of death. Known as Anchorites, the Sisters inside these engines are forced to face their torment in absolute isolation, enduring years or even decades of agony before their inevitable end.
this is on top of the horrible fate that is already befalling a mortifier
Based upon the same mechanical chassis as the Penitent Engine, a Mortifier bears additional neuro-agonizer arrays and obloquial enhancers that amplify the pilot's self-loathing exponentially. Metallic bolts driven into the Repentia's bones leave her unable to move or even scream for death, while the baffle hood placed over her head prevents her from hearing any words of piety that are spoken in her presence. Mortifiers are then placed on the front lines where they are driven into a frenzy by their intense suffering. As they engage in slaughter, all joy that would normally be experienced slaying the enemies of the Emperor is denied to them, stripped from their minds and replaced with more pain.
actually genuinely put into the torment nexus
vital barn
You can give them fist
You can, but they're not so good at it, only 2A at WS4
so poor accuracy
sweet solar
i'm a big fan of the Anchorite just ofr how fucking awful it is
iron maiden but you cut out the face and theres a servo skull coming out of the face hole on a big mechadendrite
sweet solar
Guilliman is Brian from Life of Brian
now thos i can really get behind
"we arent the imperial macragge ecclesiarchy of guillimans 500 worlds we are the 500 worlds peoples front of imperial macragge"
broken dew
lmaooooo
sweet solar
the lion: HE IS NOT THE MESSIAH HE IS A VERY NAUGHTY BOY
guilliman, whistling as he desperatly tries to herd everyones bullshit in a way that keep the plates spinning and stops it all fracturing even if it means letting people think of him as the messiah but that might make his brothers hate him if they come back and dont have his realism and desire to stop everything falling apart for the logistics to continue overiding their memory of their fathers true doctrine without the load bearing cargo cult: "always look on....the bright....side of life..."
broken dew
real
vital barn
where's the Gulliman Heya animation someone did
I admit that Big E as Skeletor totally got me
acoustic sierra
guilliman, whistling as he desperatly tries to herd everyones bullshit in a way ...
Yknow its occured after reading this, 40k is still just Dune with extra steps we are now in the "what if two pauls" era
thin ibex
sweet solar
Yknow its occured after reading this, 40k is still just Dune with extra steps we...
what is the golden throne if not a big worm body that has to stay on the same planet and cant move
vital barn
i'm a big fan of the Anchorite just ofr how fucking awful it is
you know I needed a good base model for an Archmagos warform, maybe I grab one of those bad boys
it's that or a literal boxnought
broken dew
as of yet unnamed chapter champion, mashed together a bunch of different parts for this one since i thought it would be cool if they made a set of artificer armor out of scraps they had leftover from scavenging
got one Curadh shoulder plate, one maximus armor forearm, the full arm and backpack of a set of iron armor, the chest of an errant armor, one leg and the hips of crusade armor, one corvus armor thigh, one thunder armor leg, and some miscellaneous bits for decoration
broken dew
as of yet unnamed chapter champion, mashed together a bunch of different parts f...
came up with the name Lupaion Matrochos for this guy
sweet solar
you know I needed a good base model for an Archmagos warform, maybe I grab one o...
yesss
you could also do
pastel rampart
charred bridge
Warp travel is just free in slight entertainment
thin ibex
Kinda wish we got green, muscular nids after they won the big war with the orks
Too much ork biomass making them green and belligerent and real good at ork killing
broken dew
Ork Genestealer time
trim spire
Ork Genestealer time
Bugboyz
I still think they would make for a really good killteam
pastel rampart
Unfortunately they haven't had any real mention in the lore for at least 20 years, if not longer.
Actually probably closer to 30 years, I think the last time they had rules was in 1991.
broken dew
no orkoid genestealers 😔
trim spire
Unfortunately they haven't had any real mention in the lore for at least 20 year...
I mean they were probably last mentioned the last time genestealer cults were pre-7e
Them coming back at all was a deep pull
pastel rampart
Granted, nothing stops you from just converting your own and using them as baseline GSC units.
trim spire
Double that for Squats, they just got memed into existence
pastel rampart
I mean they were probably last mentioned the last time *genestealer cults* were ...
Well, they had a list in 2e and were part of the 2e 'nid book and got a semi-official list in 3e but that was it.
Which, hm...Citadel Journal issues 40 and 41 in 2000 for GSC, but even longer since ork hybrids were mentioned.
sour sequoia
I’ve been gathering ork bits for bashing, debating dressin up some of the nakey AoS orks for bulking out my aberrants
pastel rampart
They'd make great aberrants.
trim spire
I'm just saying the kill team/blackstone fortress model was ideal for random dregs like Bugboyz. Like was the Zoat they put out any more likely than them?
broken dew
as of yet unnamed chapter champion, mashed together a bunch of different parts f...
added some more detail bits
paper bluff
Bro looking like a slayer of monsters
broken dew
feel like i should have him use a sword but there are so many other cool weapons
he could have a fucking Power Tetsubo
i feel like i should give him swords though since he's a duelist
pastel rampart
No one says a duelist can't have a bonky stick.
broken dew
true
if anything he'd be using two
he's either getting two of some kind of power weapon or he's using a Relic Sword or an Eviscerator
pastel rampart
Scimitars, basically.
broken dew
dual power scimitars would go hard
two swords, two daggers and a spare combat knife for good measure
since he's got a hunter thing going on i'm naming the weapons the Gloom Hunter's Claw's and Fang's
paper bluff
No one says a duelist can't have a bonky stick.
The great swordsman musashi one fought a duel with a boat oar. I see no reason why a power kanabo wouldn't work
broken dew
man i sure do love weapons that exist in specifically one single sentence in a specific white dwarf magazine from 1993
apparently Space Marines can come equipped with Battle Claws which are hidden blades that can be installed within the boots of Space Marines
thank you White Dwarf magazine i will add this glorious hidden weapon to my arsenal of stuff that the Dusk Defiant clearly should all be equipped with
jaunty dawn
Power board
past sphinx
if any space marine legion could do a kickflip i tihnk it would be a space wolf
pastel rampart
Mantis Warriors could if they weren't fucking cowards and just made them Kamen Rider expies.
Tho damn this is old if they're saying orks have green blood, that hasn't been the case in a looooooooooong time.
broken dew
1993 white dwarf article
Ragnar Blackmane vs. Ghazghkull Thrakka
Specifically vol.158
This is like, first edition i think
2nd edition rulebook is october 1993 according to Lexicanum while Whit Dwarf Vol.158 is February 1993
pastel rampart
Man, yeah that was probably a lead-up to 2nd edition.
I think orks stopped having green blood around 3rd, as I remember an aside in a WD talking about it (basically "red blood shows up more on models")
finite compass
IIRC in 3rd it was black
Until Dawn of War came out
When it got switched to red because the black didn't show up well
floral herald
More 1st party chaos god art
verbal ermine
thin ibex
I think I'm toasted, I'm doing a 1k against WE they're playing big into slaughterbound, I'm playing ret cadre
Well, will probably be a fast game at least
broken dew
Shoe knives are a recurring thing
True
I was on lexicanum and saw they had exactly one singular reference for it though and i found myself intrigued
broken dew
Never seen something like that mentioned for 40k before
It wasn't really the shoe knife thing that surprised me as much as it was space marine shoe knives that can rip through an Ork that as far as i know is mentioned exactly once in a White Dwarf battle report from 1st edition
mental birch
I think I'm toasted, I'm doing a 1k against WE they're playing big into slaught...
You can fight this
pale narwhal
Yeah you can absolutely fight this
sour sequoia
Tau vs WE should be legitimately one of the easiest matchups almost regardless of detach, once you know whats going on
Do you got breachers king
pale narwhal
Might not considering ret cad
mental birch
I'm meming ret cad and i thibk i can figbt this hahaha
Your pathfinder exists to speedbump and die
Thats fine
floral herald
It wasn't really the shoe knife thing that surprised me as much as it was space...
This is absolutely the kind of thing which comes up in a single battle report but some number of people lock onto
broken dew
They should lock onto it
Having wolverine claws in your shoes as a hold out weapon is sick as hell
Hell i kinda want to have my Chapter Champion have some since he has a whole hunter theme going on
Add some 1st Ed White Dwarf Battle Report spice
broken dew
Yeah
More weapons per marine
I'm tempted to give my chapter champion another knife or some other weapon
thin ibex
You can fight this
I might not be super cooked, but my ghostkeel has a fusion cannon because I thought he'd bring line a helbrute. I otherwise have a plasma knives unit, an iontide, 2 missile sides, a kroot squad, a stealth team, and a sacrificial pathfinder squad. Warlord farsight
He's got 1 exalted eight bound, 2 regular eight bound, and 2 jackal iirc. Warlord a slaughterbound
The plasma knives might actually be great for erasing the eightbound
floral herald
Damn… thirtytwobound
thin ibex
Yeah no armor, just a lot of bodies. Glad I have a duo of missile sides
I can also work the jackals down work smart missiles quite easily
jaunty dawn
Loyal thirty two bound
thin ibex
But generally I play poorly into WE cause I'm not used to handling big melee
tired cairn
No skill shots for the Necrons
floral herald
I think it’s kind of weird how it’s super permissive on maps other than Tomb World/Gallowdark and super restrictive there
But Canoptek are also super good on TW
tired cairn
Does it go through walls on open maps?
floral herald
Yeah
tired cairn
Weird
I do wonder a bit how much GW balances for all the map types vs just the most recent battlezone
floral herald
Bheta Decima is usually the odd one out because people don’t like it as much
But open board and TW are balanced for though
broken dew
also actually just greebled the chapter champion even more, actually done with the greebling this time though
broken dew
This is their top guy
Top attack guy anyway
also that's like, their chapters favourite Artificer Armor
it's built like that on purpose as a symbol of the chapters history and culture
it's got one Curadh shoulder plate, one maximus armor forearm, the full arm and backpack of a set of iron armor, the chest of an errant armor, one leg and the hips of crusade armor, one corvus armor thigh and foot, one thunder armor shin, and some miscellaneous bits for decoration
floral herald
This is their top guy
past sphinx
thats really effective as like a ceremonial piece and pretty funny as something someone would intentional wear into a fight
possibly only because thats whats described in soul hunter as "whelp guess we gotta steal that guys shin armor because mines broke"
broken dew
Lmao yeah
The Indomitable Briar(the armors name) is built from scraps they scavenged and retrofit into a set of unique artificer armor
past sphinx
GRANTED wearing something so special and ceremonial that its an active detriment but a tremendous honor is super space marine behaviour
broken dew
Testament to their history, the history of space marines, and their chapter culture or reusing and repairing shit that is old
Their favourite mark of armor is Iron Armor they simply never got over the classics
broken dew
GRANTED wearing something so special and ceremonial that its an active detriment...
And yeah it super is
idk if you've seen the rest of the lineup
But the Dusk Defiant love wearing ancient hard to repair and long since out of production armor
mind you they will try to modernize any internal bits they can but generally speaking their elites are all clad in ancient armor that should probably be in a museum
broken dew
full of green stuff
still warren
Adding Emma Stone to my dark elf army
broken dew
mind you they will try to modernize any internal bits they can but generally spe...
They also do customize their helmets to look like various different types of helmets seen across the different marks of sm power armor
For instance Wolfrahm Zecht wears a Decimator sub-type helmet
They also generally get to customize their armor within allowances
broken dew
It do be
fossil violet
Anyone got glue recommendations
pastel rampart
floral herald
Anyone got glue recommendations
For plastic glue definitely tamiya
pastel rampart
https://www.rxddit.com/r/RogueTraderCRPG/s/Qr6o8Nel5q people are going to be Very Normal™ about her
broken dew
Think imma try making a thorn pattern as an armor motif for the Dusk Defiant
past sphinx
this only makes me realize we got only 2 xenos companions and both of them where the stock fuckin space elves in rogue trader
no kroot or ork or jokero or anything
thin ibex
We had a sister of battle in rogue trader as well didn't we?
past sphinx
argenta yes
a well
a character
Owlcat loves their tanks and is fond of wizards and everybody else can fuck off
barbarians are pretty good usually to but man if your just a warrior or a normal cleric your gonna be wooden at best
past sphinx
actually straight up i cannot think of a good straight up warrior character in an owlcat game
i was being a touch hyperbolic but damn
brittle salmon
actually straight up i cannot think of a good straight up warrior character in a...
cmon
abelard
past sphinx
hes a tank
charred bridge
A tank is a warrior
brittle salmon
his archetype is quite literally called Warrior :p
charred bridge
Pascal is kind of the tank, abelard doesn't have heavy armor
past sphinx
heavy armor doesnt make you a tank
charred bridge
What makes him a tank then
past sphinx
having your entire deal be standing around taking aggro and parring does
charred bridge
Seems like an arbitrary distinction to me
past sphinx
Dps and tank have been different roles for 25 years
rocky shale
Abelard is a blender in rogue trader
You can choose to give him Vanguard but you don't have to
past sphinx
true
rocky shale
Abelard with a rock saw just explodes everything
past sphinx
maybe i shouldve used a different term
standard fighter gyt
guy
not the literal first rank architype of rogue trader specifically
all things broken down to tank, fightguy, wizard and wizard+fightguy/tank
and rogue of course in there somewhere in the wishywashy waters
rocky shale
I mean if you break everything down into 3 specific roles then of course you get wierd edge cases
Tanking in rogue trader is nearly entirely based on one taunt skill. In all the other owlcat games it's almost impossible because pf1e doesn't have meaningful aggro mechanics
rocky shale
OK but you can easily play a magic-less monk or a non tanky caster cleric
past sphinx
ki points are just tangerine flavoured spell slots
rocky shale
Those are poor classifications imo
past sphinx
and clerics are wizards with martial weapons 😉
with my patented system you can come to broad somewhat innaccurate generalizations faster than ever
and you still wont have a good owlcat dps fighter
charred bridge
It seems very fantasy based classification
Marazhai is a DPS melee
I forgot the death cult girl
past sphinx
street samurai, solo, netrunner
charred bridge
Net runner is just tech wizard
past sphinx
exactly
rocky shale
Kibellah is a dps fighter
charred bridge
Argenta and Soloman is a fight guy, she got gun
rocky shale
And has a good story
past sphinx
kibellah is pretty damn good
rocky shale
Argenta and Solomon also fall into the archetype if the options are dps tank or wizard
past sphinx
GSC just always make me extremely uncomfortable
rocky shale
So there are plenty of them, the reason there weren't many before rogue trader is because pf1e martial suck
past sphinx
argenta is dps and Solomon is a ranger
witch is a variety of fight-wizard
perfect system
rocky shale
Ranger is not one of the three classifications you just said were the only ones
past sphinx
youve missed the fourth one the fight-wizards
henrix, fight-wizard
pasqal also a fight-wizard depending
charred bridge
So owlcat can do good fightguy
charred bridge
What's argenta if not a fight guy
past sphinx
Argenta has a major plot point revealed in a sidebar dialogue
charred bridge
And kibellah
past sphinx
kibellah i will give credit and i think that rests on her having an entire DLC devouted to her whole deal
charred bridge
What's the plot point that makes her not a fight guy
past sphinx
she remains basically the same plank-o-wood through the entire plot
her big moment is before a big fight going "oh hey i kerblastered the previous rogue trader" and you go "okay cool"
and kerblast some elves
a woman who at any moment threatens to be interesting
charred bridge
I liked it, still disagree with the claim Owlcat can't do a good fight guy character.
past sphinx
its weird because Valerie is pretty similar but has so much other stuff going on
who knows their actively writing and rewriting the games fucking plot so maybe in like another year things will shape up
oh hey my cope for legion characters like the loyalists got seems real
dawn mesa
Adding Emma Stone to my dark elf army
How is she doing? I'm looking for a post-Grotesque list to test out.
west zealot
Wait is that a Harrowmaster sequel!? Fuck yes
Doing some googling, it's a leak from German Amazon, German title is apparently The Ghost Legion: Pillar of Dreams
vital barn
Shit man, this Mechanicum war is fucked. I just saw a techpriest clap his mechadendrites together and say "phosphex rain" or some similar shit, and every one around him started burning from living evil fire before falling into ashes. The auspex didn't even go onto him, that's how common shit like this is. My ass is fumbling about with an axe and a plasma pistol. I think I just heard "Ordinatus Terra" two groups over. I gotta get the fuck outta here.
- A tech-adept, slightly before a Primarch and a full custodes shield host run directly over his position while fighting a horde of robits
paper bluff
not sure what to get in there to make him more wolfy
How good are you at sculpting green stuff?Because a wolf pelt is always a good choice
charred bridge
> Shit man, this Mechanicum war is fucked. I just saw a techpriest clap his mech...
Average dark age of tech imperium fight
Oh yea the time autosuperposition gun, yea we've all seen that STC
broken dew
> Shit man, this Mechanicum war is fucked. I just saw a techpriest clap his mech...
i do love the command of "Ordinatus Terra"
the Ordinatus have to be my favourite mechanicus thing
"we're putting the biggest guns ever made onto tracks, it's Wunderwaffe time"
finite compass
"This isn't what the weapon was designed for, but we think sticking it on a big tank would work."
"Oh, cool. So what weapon are we talking? Titan volcano cannon? Fixed artillery piece? Really big mining laser?"
"A Lance battery intended for starships."
"..."
paper bluff
IMO they should be able to make more of those
It's not like they don't have experienced transporting large things to the ground and also Making naval guns
vital barn
they can and do make more, yes
the Ordinatii are custom-built for any given campaign, they're one of the few bits of sanctioned experimentation possible
broken dew
Ordinatus my beloved
thin ibex
There are also old af ones they sometimes pull out because it's a special battle occasion, no?
junior summit
There are also old af ones they sometimes pull out because it's a special battle...
they don't take them apart once they're build so a given ordinatus can get reused for other stuff
past sphinx
arent ordinatus like impossible to move?
junior summit
no they're movable by spaceship
past sphinx
like weapons built on site in theater and are just fucking stuck there
broken dew
they move themselves
junior summit
I'm assuming like a titan container but sideways
past sphinx
damn what am i thinking of
thin ibex
Usually they're self motive in some rediculous way i thought
jaunty dawn
The ones with models are on tracks
But there could be ones that arent particularly mobile
pastel rampart
vital barn
this isn't my battleclade but looking at those models from behind has made me realise they actually look really nice from that angle
they're OK servitors from the front but I really like the carapace on the floaty techpriestand the mismatched backpacks on the servitors
pastel rampart
Oh that must be hell to paint.
floral herald
Looks super cool
broken dew
Lamenters my beloved
hardy harness
Found a relic today
Someone's old mini that got dumped in an antique store
Looks to be a medic, but I'm unsure what specific army beyond "Imperium"
Apparently he's from the 90s
Pretty weighty and chill too, I think he's made of metal
I think I saw some more minis there too, I'll have to go back and check
broken dew
neat
hardy harness
I know for a fact that I saw someone's old Sentinel
I'm gonna go back tomorrow and see about getting just that
broken dew
having a lot of fun drawing up the chapter champion
added the chapter role insignia's to some charms he has
floral herald
Oh that’s cool
I’ve been playing the Vespid KT some recently and i don’t really like em
I’ve come to realize
broken dew
also gave him a unique helmet pattern based on the captain helmet style i came up with for the Dusk Defiant
the captain helmet markings for reference
vital barn
skimming the new Cawl book while taking a break from cover letters and he's got the head of a cryptek in a box which he breaks out like Medic's decapitated spy
this is... somewhat odd in tone
vital barn
it's fun but Cawl has such used car salesman energy and spends so much of his time with Space Marines that it doesn't really feel like this is techpriest stuff
he's kind of his own thing
broken dew
i think with how much innovation shit and honestly just tech heresy shit he gets up to i imagine he probably doesn't feel particularly admech
bro is not observing the sacred laws and rites
at least not in full
floral herald
I’ve been playing the Vespid KT some recently and i don’t really like em
Maybe there’s just something which hasn’t clicked but they feel so awkward to play
vital barn
yeah, I'd like a slightly more straightforward mech character at some points
a Myrmidax or something who is just here to build guns and waste heretics would be fine, since Cawl is in the Trazyn slot of "fun globetrotting antics"
broken dew
mhm
vital barn
need an Oltyx
on the upside, he's boarding a World Engine and cracking jokes the entire time, it's not like it's not fun
every other character is also sick of his shit but he keeps doing it anyway
broken dew
i do like people kind of just not liking Cawl or being annoyed by him
vital barn
I like his Heresy incarnation more, since he fits into one side of a fairly normal distribution of radical/doctrinaire, hasn't become incredibly powerful yet and continues being insufferable, and it gets him slapped around a bit by his Mechanicum superiors
so when he does the genius thing and wins the day it's a bit more earned
broken dew
i do feel from what i know he's hit a, how you say, unstoppable roll at this point
he can't do anything he wants but it's not far off
floral herald
I like his Heresy incarnation more, since he fits into one side of a fairly norm...
Yeah his heresy era stuff is fun
vital barn
also the Custodes tribune assigned to Guilliman's fleet is a huge dick and nobody likes him either, which is funny
he's not in this one much but it is funny that only about two and a half of the senior staff of the Indomitus Crusade can stand each other
broken dew
i do like when characters are just allowed to be shitters
vital barn
this even includes the other Custodes, which produces the one good joke in Wolftime after a long talk on how Custodes are made
'If I understand you right,' the historitor said slowly, 'there's nothing random about your development.'
'We are created within very strict parameters.'
'Then that means someone, somewhere, actually thought it would be a good idea to make Stratarchis Tribune Colquan a total arsehole.'[Shield-Captain] Vychellan's laughter was almost deafening as it filled the small chamber.
vital barn
with Emps stuck on the Throne and Dorn missing there was evidently a vacancy for "big gold dude nobody likes"
vital barn
wait, necrons can just straight up run the Silent King now?
I evidently missed that
I suppose if everyone else gets Primarchs it fits to bring him out of the godlike background figures box and put him on the tabletop where he can be chewed on by bored termagants but it still feels a little mean
vital barn
probably 9th, that was about when I checked out
stark cypress
I found the 20th anniversary edition of Fifteen Hours at one of the LGS'es I frequent.
The 38 bones wasted was worth it
thin ibex
Imperium does weirdly follow ork logic in a lot of places
The guy in charge is also the best at fighting
stark cypress
But the guy in charge is also bad at doing the important stuff
thin ibex
It is extremely funny to me to imagine that this logic holds true for all professions, regardless of combativeness
stark cypress
Minor fronts are left to die and are written off
We are nought but tax write offs to He On Eart.
thin ibex
Minor fronts dying and being written off isn't being bad at what they're doing, they're doing exactly what they intend. (Yeah no, they're bad at things)
vital barn
I keep saying that techpriests are like orks in many ways, and one of them is that they don't die of old age and keep getting bigger and more stubborn the longer they stick around
stark cypress
"OI! DEM 'UMIE MEKBOY IZ A BIG 'UN! JUMP 'EM FOR DA LOOT!"
"CEASE THINE VERBAL ASSAULT ON MY EARS, ORKIOD!"
vital barn
it is funny that an Archmagos has the exact same T/W statline as a dreadnought
the beefy ones can even get up to that of a Leviathan with some reasonably straightforward buffs
stark cypress
"Where are the reinforcements?"
"Archmagos Rho-Theta-Niner-Majoris is arriving."
"With a regiment?"
"No."
"A battalion?"
"No."
"A c-company."
"No...The Archmagos has taken it upon himself to deal with this matter personally."
desert jay
Szarekh the Silent King was released with the 9e Necron codex in October 2020
vital barn
ah, here we are
also has Feel No Pain 5+, so they're nails even before you add 1-2 toughness, 0-1 WS/BS and 1 more wound from cybertheurgy and various purchasable augments
sadly this edition they can't have their old half-dozen guns but they're still not bad
west zealot
"Where are the reinforcements?"
"Archmagos Rho-Theta-Niner-Majoris is arriving....
From the battle field, angry mechanidrite noses and screaming emerge
broken dew
and donezo, happy with how it turned out
cinder wraith
do anyone have the size measurements for KT Volkus terrain? i have two box worth of bits from this set that i want to make some KT terrain so i can host at my home
pastel rampart
do anyone have the size measurements for KT Volkus terrain? i have two box worth...
cinder wraith
the first one didnt have the measurements i needed but the other has so thank you 
pastel rampart
First one has measurements for the smaller stuff at least.
cinder wraith
i mainly needed the big ones since its ruins im building mainly but the rest i can 3D print
pastel rampart
Messing around with printing a battle wagon for a friend of mine and uh
this is going to be l o n g
sour sequoia
Adding fancier OSL to the hammer until the death guard/custodes players understand it’ll krump em
pale narwhal
Oooh that looks lovely
broken dew
gonna do the chapter ancient next for art
past sphinx
Deathwatch vets with thunder hammers are extremely funny
past sphinx
one man one tapped a wave serpant
thin ibex
Do thunder hammers have a specific role in space marine doctrine, long forgotten, or at they just a preferential thing for Veteran/ elite warriors
brittle salmon
bonk
upper canopy
They are usually best for armor and big guys
But usually just get thrown at important dudes and told to make do
broken dew
Do thunder hammers have a specific role in space marine doctrine, long forgotte...
Fortifying positions
Big nails need big hammers
junior summit
Do thunder hammers have a specific role in space marine doctrine, long forgotte...
armor cracking
mental birch
Melee armour buster i always assumed
junior summit
idk if it's really doctrinal so much as part of the general suite of things that make higher ranked space marines scarier
assault termies have thunder hammers to give them more melee punch as part of the assault terminator job
runic swallow
More leverage than just punchin’ 
thin ibex
Just cause like... a power sword with a disruptor field can cut into a tank. The hammer isn't vastly superior at that. As I understand it, the hammer effectively delivers explosions with its disruptor field right?
Like all the power weapons kind of work broadly similarly, but the fist and hammer do like impact donations instead of cutting
junior summit
Just cause like... a power sword with a disruptor field can cut into a tank. Th...
Hammers and fists are considerably better at busting tanks and heavy armor
Power swords are quite stoppable by armor when not in protagonist hands
vital barn
Generally there are power swords/axes/mauls/spears and they're all great for power armour but struggle against termie armour
and then fists/hammers/chainfists that are slow but fold anything on a clean bit except viewpoint characters
plus the slightly vaguely defined category of "Masterwork power weapon" that you give to protagonists and can sword anything
Custodes for instance all get nothing but those, their spears have had AP2 in every edition that works like that
floral herald
Thunder hammers are aiui a sort of compromise design
They only activate the power field on impact to conserve power and such
So they’re a way to get more size and reach and leverage into a power fist like weapon without the huge generators
Otherwise I think the draw is a power fist with leverage
pastel rampart
They also used to be terminator-only weapons and it makes a little more sense for something as tough as termie armor to carry a weapon that can easily smash apart bulk heads, given their use in space hulks.
thin ibex
It was always an open question to me about how the disruptor field is supposed to scale, when generally speaking it's meant to like... disrupt the target at an atomic level. But apparently there's a level of more and less atomic disruption vaguely
vital barn
I believe it isn't just "disruption field, matter evaporates", because the reason chainfists are such good anti-armour is that the field destabilises stuff and then the chainsword tears through the now-slicable armour
so big hammer does tons of disruption all at once
floral herald
It’s always explained really vaguely if at all but my kinda headcanon on it is that the field just makes stuff “mushy” for the blade yeah
tepid stratus
It's the baby version of necron blades separating atoms apart I suppose
vital barn
other than the phase-between-dimensions necron stuff everyone's power weapons seem to work on similar principles
other Necron and Eldar weapons are just normal power swords but nice
tepid stratus
Eldar having chainswords is still weird to me
broken dew
They do???
tepid stratus
Despite knowing it's a relic of old editions
tepid stratus
They do???
Striking scorpions have chainswords
vital barn
I kind of like it, I like that some xenos species are not using completely different tech in every single way
floral herald
Storm guardians also have chainswords
vital barn
the way stuff works In 40k (tm) means that multiple different species independently invent the incredibly practical technology of chainsaw sword
(and also meltagun, plasma gun and power weapon)
floral herald
Given the relative ages of the species it’s likely that the eldar invented chainswords and DAOT humanity copied them
tepid stratus
I kind of like it, I like that some xenos species are not using completely diffe...
It just seemed weird that it's the chainsword specifically, always seemed to embody everything they dislike about humans lol
floral herald
Given the relative ages of the species it’s likely that the eldar invented chain...
Wait I was saying this bit before your reply augh misc
vital barn
Necrons are notable precisely because all their shit is wierdo freak superscience and even they have power weapons and Big Laserbeam in some of their stuff
Big Laserbeam is just highly useful
tepid stratus
I mean really once you've mastered big laser the logical conclusion is levelling up battery tech
And doomsday arks are 90% laser 10% gribblies
Where's the power source? Idk probably a pocket dimension or some shit
vital barn
if you look at the 30k Mechanicum, who are a bit more on the Eldar/Tau kind of non-psychic tech level when you filter out the insane 50s scifi aesthetic, they are starting to develop stuff that is technically still lastech but looks nothing like a conventional lascannon
like the darkfire cannon, which is a rapid fire dark lance which is only a bit explodey
goes in the "las" section of the book and is affected by the laser diffraction shield on the saturnine dread
the only thing humans appear to have completely and totally missed are the tau/votann ion guns, and the Eldar don't seem to have any of those either
tepid stratus
Inb4 cawl "rediscovers" the lost "stormfire cannon" for his newest primaris pet project
vital barn
I really think Cawl should at least have a whole subfaction of weaponstech guys for this sometimes, I feel that having him pull out better marines, better armour, better weapons and anti-warp bootleg necron pylon tech all at once is a bit of a waste of the idea that the Mechanicus has a bunch of different specialties and the fact that in 30k he's all about the biotech
tepid stratus
the only thing humans appear to have completely and totally missed are the tau/v...
What about shuriken tech?
vital barn
oh yeah I suppose those too
tepid stratus
Monofilament death tinsel weapons seem to be something unique to the eldar
vital barn
yeah, I'm not saying "everyone needs to have all the same gear", just that it's fun that there's this common galactic tech base
meltagun truly transcends cultures
floral herald
Monofilament death tinsel weapons seem to be something unique to the eldar
And they’ve got like 3 of em
tepid stratus
meltagun truly transcends cultures
Super shotgun that melts armour is truly an all time great
floral herald
I do think it’s funny that the eldar like chainswords so much they made a gun version
tepid stratus
Not just guns, the Harlequins kiss is basically a monofilament injector. Shits needlessly brutal
It'd be a deldar weapon if it didn't kill so quickly
I do kinda wish we got more psychic weapons tho. Just weird shit you need to be a psyker to use. I know all eldar tech is that to some degree or another but I enjoy it when casting gun is taken literally
charred bridge
Not just guns, the Harlequins kiss is basically a monofilament injector. Shits n...
Overkill is funny to clown god
charred bridge
I do kinda wish we got more psychic weapons tho. Just weird shit you need to be ...
I'd agree, Eldar don't really get wild with warp stuff after Slaanesh.
I'd want a psyker faction where every unit is a psyker even if it's dangerous ala skaven.
Orks got funny self destructive stuff but skaven were on a whole other level where anything that used warps tone could be pushed or explode catastrophically
vital barn
can I introduce you to Horus Heresy 1kSons, number 1 perils enjoyers
all your units are psykers, even the gigachumps, and they will blow their own faces off several times a match
(they're also broken as hell due to one particular spell, but if you don't cheese Corvidae Rending you're fine)
charred bridge
Yea but a proper full faction
vital barn
no rubric yet so those line troopers are just the world's least reliable psykers
sadly they cannot actually chaos spawn themselves
floral herald
1Ksons are also 40k’s oops all psychic petards faction
vital barn
You Should Spawn Yourself, Now
charred bridge
I'd want Tau but instead of tech they rapidly grew due to warp fuckery yet somehow avoid the biggest consequences like warp portal that eats planet. But they're entirely reckless psykers
vital barn
40k psykers are, to be slightly rude, barely worthy of the name
floral herald
But outside of army rule stuff they share the lack of juice of the rest of 10e psykers
vital barn
those aren't psyker powers, those are just normal rules crudely painted purple
and the Orks already used most of the purple paint for Kommandos
floral herald
They also have weird army rule psychic powers but the individual ones are boring
Their army rule being more or less “we get a psychic phase”
vital barn
the only thing the 30k 1ksons are missing is a) Corvidae nerfs and b) funny chaos boon table
I miss you, chaos boon table
although in their case it would more be "when you lose a Command unit to perils, produce a chaos spawn" because they only have flesh-change
mental birch
I really think Cawl should at least have a whole subfaction of weaponstech guys ...
Modern day cawl is like 30 techpriests in a trenchoat though
vital barn
yeah, sure, but he should just be 30 techpriests, I want more characters
he can have his auxiliary consciousnesses and a support staff
generic archmagos unit never
although if it's really going to be unique characters forever from now on I wouldn't mind a straight up battle archmagos
right now we have a Trazyn but no Imotekh to balance him out
charred bridge
Everything notable admech like involves Cawl, it's like someone's self insert levels. Let other named ad mech stick around and be present
vital barn
he's fun but he's fun like Trazyn is fun, in that he's wandering around doing goofy stuff and cracking jokes
even when it does involve big setting conceits and the occasional touching moment he is a little bit clownish
sometimes I want the grit
mental birch
I do need a generic archmagos model tho yeah
charred bridge
sometimes I want the grit
I think there should be a prevelant foil to cawl that is a magos out in the field but strictly adheres to the teachings of mars
Cawl is funny guy but he's borderline heretek and like the opposite of most ad mech, it's odd for a faction's main guy to be the opposite of how majority of the faction acts
vital barn
and, importantly, is not just a loser who sucks
unlike most examples we get of orthodox magi
vital barn
I do need a generic archmagos model tho yeah
I'd like something like 30k Arcana, where you have half a dozen specialisations to pick from and they give you stat tweaks or different guns/special rules, but I'm not sure 10e has the space for that
Maybe three, at least, if they aren't just "you get lethals, you get sustained hits, you get +1 to hit" like every other buff
mental birch
Give us a Build your own Magos box
tepid stratus
As much as I like the "oops all psyker/wizard" army it does slow down the flow of gameplay
It makes the magic phase of the game grind to a half as you roll 12+ casts
So I can see what they dropped that philosophy for AOS and 40k in the most recent editions
vital barn
AOS still has most of it
10e is unusually boring
30k has a good implementation, I think, there's flavour and unique psyker stuff but no dedicated psychic phase
tepid stratus
AOS kept casting but the all wizard armies got casting taken off of their non-heri units
Tzeentch and lumineth used to be able to cast with most of their units
vital barn
yeah, but it still has wizards
whereas 40k does not really have psykers in any sense of the word beyond "labelled psychic"
30k has generic rules for casting and denying and then each of the major seven psychic disciplines have a little page like this
it's a lot of words because it's being precise but it's basically "you get these passives, this mind bullet and this power, which you roll when it's appropriate during the normal phases"
and it's simple enough that 1kSons can give all their regular units psyker powers just by having some baby disciplines for them in their legion's section
(one or two of which are cracked, but that's the fault of those, not the basic idea)
tepid stratus
Integrating in during normal phases where relevant is probably the best way to keep it from slowing down the game or making it feel uninteractive to the opponent
I do like that
vital barn
it also means that something like a Librarian just has "you can buy any of these psychic disciplines for [list of points costs]" so the sheets aren't massive
(this is hiding some complexity because "force weapon" means "go pick one of these four from the list in the armoury" and there's also a terminator/biker/jump pack variant on different datasheets, but it works)
tepid stratus
The sheets small but boy is it long on a list builder when picking your options lol
vital barn
eh, only in the sense that selecting one of them causes newrecruit to add the entire page to the unit text
tepid stratus
I mean just scrolling through the long ass options list in the first place
vital barn
Librarian, coolpistol, force axe, biomancy, divination (135)
done
newrecruit appears to be having a stroke for me so I can't actually check how bad it is
but it really isn't that many options
sword (4 choices)
gun (5 choices)
psyk (1-2 of 6)
you very rapidly learn what Standard Issue Psykers do because most have the same six common disciplines
past sphinx
damn theres no shotgun in the new deathwatch box?
what a shame
granted a lot more stuff has assault now i guess
thin ibex
Something I think is cool but also, where the hell is the tech from, is helfrost weaponry
Which i guess has been much reduced in the current sw roster
jaunty dawn
Idk if they even have it in heresy
So its presumably like
Something they figured out in the interim
They did gave frost weapons tho
jaunty dawn
Straight up just only two paragraphs of lore about helfrost pff
broken dew
Battle Claws have like
one singular mention
also idk if specifically a Space Wolf weapon, but a Space Wolf specifically uses it
vital barn
two paragraphs is about the normal amount of lore given to special weapon types like that honestly
broken dew
genuinely impossible to tell because they exist as a offhand mention in a White Dwarf Battle Report from 1st ed
vital barn
helfrost's gimmick is also basically carried by "everyone knows Mr. Freeze, right?"
not entirely sure what's going on with the 30k frost weapons either but mechanically they're pretty good
jaunty dawn
They’re carried by 7th edition wanting to do the post 8th edition thing without having load bearing primaris
So you got centurions and random space wolf/dark angel shit
But like volkite has more lore
Let alone the classics
past sphinx
Something I think is cool but also, where the hell is the tech from, is helfro...
Lasers can infact be cold
Laser cooling is hella rad and probably space wizard nonsense
vital barn
Volkite admittedly shows up in way more places
Helfrost is just Space Wolf Freeze Ray
at least it's not called the Wolfgun
past sphinx
It would be called the coyote cannon of gw was more woke and cool
thin ibex
Wolfgun, invented by the iron priest Wulf Lupusson in the Canis Forge
past sphinx
Wolfgun mightier than the pengun
west zealot
‘Beautiful, isn’t it?’ said Cawl. ‘It’s not often I say this, but this is very good work. I could not have achieved it myself. Temporal engineering is not within my skillset. Unusual for me.’
‘He really doesn’t say that very often,’ said Qvo. ‘I would enjoy this rare realisation of his limitations.’
‘Hush now, Friedisch,’ said Cawl. ‘You’re spoiling my moment of modesty.’
At the back, Primus sighed.
Three stooges: AdMech edition
vital barn
Cawl's necron friend really adds to the comedy sketch energy
west zealot
"I hate you" "you said that already"
vital barn
on one hand, I am annoyed that this is about 90% of the narrative action Admech gets, on the other hand they are a good Three Stooges routine
broken dew
Chapter Ancient, pretty happy with how this is looking so far
past sphinx
is he wearing 2 capes?
floral herald
Adamantine Mantle and an overcape?
broken dew
something like that yeah
armor cape and a cape for the drip overtop
it's like wearing an overcoat
but for capes
past sphinx
why must we wear these ridiculous ties
err
capes
gotta wear a cape on your cape so the cape doesnt get dirty
reasonable
broken dew
debated giving him an iron halo but i kinda like the lil half circle with spikes
past sphinx
i gotta finish abiotic factor
broken dew
correct
think i'm gonna have to give him the chapter symbol on the knee but he does technically have space for it on his shoulder, though it's gonna be covered by the cape
past sphinx
nows the perfect chance to construct a complex system of knee icons
broken dew
so far every member of the chapter has had the chapter symbol on the right shoulder, both shoulders, or the left knee
Lupaion has his partially covered but it is on his right shoulder
he didn't have space on his left knee anyway
runic swallow
At least you won’t be in it long statistically 
mild glen
"Average Guardsmen on the front line survives 15 hours" is a statistical error.
Average Guardsmen only lasts three hours. Fenrik Jurgen, who is legally immortal, is an outlier and should not be counted.
runic swallow
I think that’s supposed to be the guard?
Also, real Czarist Russian Draft Procedure there
thin ibex
oh huh, once upon a time the arbites were the military for the priesthood
before it was called the ecllesiarchy
runic swallow
(The czarist draft was effectively for life to the point people held funerals when their sons were drafted before they went off, since even if they lived long enough to get out, they’d be so far from home with no way to get back that it was like being effectively dead)
floral herald
oh huh, once upon a time the arbites were the military for the priesthood
The priesthood in this context is the Administratum
floral herald
They were but I think were like a part of it?
This is Rogue Trader I think
Aha
upper canopy
lmao
floral herald
Man this lore is funny
The admech are all tonsured
Also the arbites are explicitly mini custodes
Which is cool
pastel rampart
cinder wraith
i mainly needed the big ones since its ruins im building mainly but the rest i c...
building it
junior robin
Finally, Jim Henson's "the dark crystal" Primaris Lieutenant
thin ibex
AOS Experts, a friend doesnt like the idea of real units dying, so she wants to play an army of constructs. Her army concept is also to go for like... a toy army, made up of sentient, murderous stuffies and other large scale toys.
I've suggested Daemons, any of the undead armies, and lizardmen played summoning style could work
Any thoughts/suggestions?
I think Khornate stuffies sounds hilarious
bright dove
Nighthaunts?
thin ibex
she is a fan of night haunts so that could work
she has no understanding of the strategies or mechanics
but likes their look
floral herald
Is this a thematic or mechanical thing?
thin ibex
thematic, since she doesnt actually know the game currently
she just has a concept and wants to know what would meet the idea of being ok with unit deaths cause nothing is actually dying
cause it feels bad to her when normal, living units die
thin ibex
for 40k i suggested wither daemons, admech, oor necrons
floral herald
Low hanging fruit but Stormcast canonically respawn in heaven
tepid stratus
Bonereapers are explicitly all constructs
trim spire
Yknow come to think of it I am surprised there isn't an AoS "automaton" faction
Oh yeah the Ossiarchs would count ig
tepid stratus
They do have souls but they're artificial made from useful bits of their victims souls
And are kept in soul gems that can be swapped to new bodies on demand
trim spire
Wow Wraithguard
tepid stratus
Yeah "what if wraith constructs was a proper faction"
floral herald
For 40K yeah - necrons and daemons respawn
trim spire
Yeah "what if wraith constructs was a proper faction"
cries in Iyanden
tepid stratus
Right down to magically shaping bone
tepid stratus
cries in Iyanden
"you mean that paint job for our eldar jobbers?" - GW exec, probably
I guess the real difference is ossiarchs is the logical conclusion in that they aren't the same body type sized up or down, they take advantage of being constructs and do weird shit with extra arms and purpose built forms
thin ibex
Someone remind me, daemons on 40k are still playable as their own thing right now right? Eben though they don't have a codex
jaunty dawn
Yeah
misty violet
Signs point to Demons being dropped as a faction for 40k at some point, or at least them hedging that as an option, unfortunately
trim spire
pfff
leave it to GW to fuck up a perfectly good thing
God forbid they make an army that's playable in all of their major gamelines
Wasn't this supposed to be the Year of Chaos or something
"Happy year of Chaos! We're squatting one of your armies! ♥️ "
misty violet
God forbid they make an army that's playable in all of their major gamelines
Ironically, unfortunately, that's probably at least part of the issue they have with them. They aren't releasing rules for, or are dropping rules for older, Horus Heresy exclusive stuff in 40k because it makes it harder for them to track sales for one game or the other
vital barn
30k, oddly enough, does have a Daemon army, and a pretty good one too
misty violet
I also suspect that honestly Daemons were one of the least played armies in 40k and it's easier for GW just to write rules for them only as auxiliaries in either CSM or Chaos Knight armies
vital barn
not the deepest army list but they have many good beatsticks and fun psyk
misty violet
30k, oddly enough, *does* have a Daemon army, and a pretty good one too
Yeah it's kind of hilarious, 30k even gets more generic undivided demons than 40k ever did
trim spire
Idk what their list is like now but the original AoD daemon army was pretty cool
rocky shale
they still havent released the demon codex
They said they weren't getting a codex but they do have like 6 detachments anyways
trim spire
They had rules for Malal (sort of) hard to top that
vital barn
like Militia and Cults, Ruinstorm Daemons get by on "it's not a Guard/Daemons army, it's special different humans and warp gribblies, please ignore that the entire GSC range is playable WYSIWIG in Militia"
Malal is still there, although sadly they don't have the massive customisability across the whole list that they used to
trim spire
god I remember for a good stretch of 7e Lost and the Damned were the premier competitive faction
vital barn
just a large selection of decent statlines with psykers attached at regular intervals, plus fun deep strike summon
trim spire
Despite being FW only with no official models or codex
vital barn
you can also run Ruinstorm Daemons as Dark Mechanicum, and ally techpriests to buff your demons with warptech cybertheurgy
fear the WS5 bloodletters and attack dogs
trim spire
doogy
vital barn
that poor Thallax
the aesthetic fits surprisingly well
big fan of Hornet just being replaced by a Ruststalker in a poncho
no dialogue, only shrieking and wildly flailing swords around
soft willow
[Binharic Screeching Intensifies]
wintry mist
for 40k i suggested wither daemons, admech, oor necrons
For 40k I would reccomend tyranids depending on perspective
vital barn
I like this techpriest, new PFP time for the first time in like three years
wintry mist
New misc pfp
Also yes I love the tech priest
The tech priest has more detail to her than any of the other characters
Lol
vital barn
all my PFPs are techpriests, I used to rotate them more often until someone put a Seventh Fleet hat on one of them
thin ibex
For 40k I would reccomend tyranids depending on perspective
she thinks the nids are cute and dont really count cause t hey still actuall die
wintry mist
Daemons is the best bet then
vital barn
The tech priest has more detail to her than any of the other characters
I suppose that is a SOB bobcut, isn't it
I thought it was just a cowl
thin ibex
he interest in daemons is also the idea of some cross compatibility between aos and 40k
wintry mist
They don't die and also they're ugly and mean
tired cairn
I think the synapse ones get their minds put in a new body sometimes. At least the swarmlord does that, and I think it was hinted it happened to others somewhere
thin ibex
old one eye i think gets that done
wintry mist
I suppose that is a SOB bobcut, isn't it
Ye it's hair I think
thin ibex
I think deathleaper might?
broken dew
The tech priest has more detail to her than any of the other characters
she's got a lil sororitas bob, and the lil eyelashes are very cute
jaunty dawn
Swarmlord is like the same guy every time
tired cairn
I think OOE and Deathleaper are are really rare bioform instead of being cloned a bunch of places
thin ibex
but yeah her concept is to have an army of childrens toys, made up of stuffies, toy soldiers, etc, and was kind of just finding something that suits the vibe first then the mechanics
jaunty dawn
Other things are like clones
tired cairn
Swarmlord is like the same guy every time
Same guy, different body yeah?
vital barn
you know I read that as white hood lining + some kind of cyborg stuff going on with the eye
possibly different new techpriest then
jaunty dawn
Like guard see a carnifex that regenerates and theyre like aaaa old one eye hes back
jaunty dawn
But really old one eye is the feral nid from calth
tired cairn
(in one edition any Carnifex could take regeneration)
thin ibex
i do think that nurgle themed stuffies is funny, and the great unclean one is an easy shoe in for a giant teddy bear; but khorne stuffed bears is also hilarious to me
jaunty dawn
Currently
broken dew
you know I read that as white hood lining + some kind of cyborg stuff going on w...
looks like a white hair bob and eyelashes to me at least
jaunty dawn
He had one in 3e
tired cairn
I think the default is you use the melted off face
jaunty dawn
But swarmlord has continuity of consciousness
tired cairn
The 3E one was the regular Carnifex model with special arms I think?
jaunty dawn
And enough individuality for that to mean anythig
thin ibex
its really weird that old one eye, the regenerating guy, has a permanent scar from a plasma shot
like
wouldnt he regen it?
broken dew
feels intentional
tired cairn
He doesn't perfectly regenerate
thin ibex
also if they remke the guy, why not give him two functional eyes on the clone version
vital barn
looks like a white hair bob and eyelashes to me at least
different techpriest for me then
still, very good one
broken dew
also if they remke the guy, why not give him two functional eyes on the clone ve...
recognition
vital barn
human w/ tons of mechadendrites and fancy robes is a good kind of techpriest
tired cairn
Though, maybe the Hivemind thought it looked sick and told him not to fix it
broken dew
makes him a special unit, their enemies would be more likely to target it, such things
broken dew
still, very good one
i like it a lot
though i get if the bob and eyelashes is perhaps a bit too cutesy for your liking
vital barn
just a bit
broken dew
fair
vital barn
I have many techpriests, more will be available
tired cairn
also if they remke the guy, why not give him two functional eyes on the clone ve...
The explanation for it showing up elsewhere is that the Hivemind was like "oh, this scares them more, gotta keep the missing eye". Though probably an inappropriate level of anthropomorphization by whatever Bio Magnus thought that lol
broken dew
👍
vital barn
I feel the "nid unique characters" thing was kind of deprecated in recent editions
broken dew
the missing eye makes it a sort of symbol
vital barn
you only really hear about the Swarmlord (jobbing, mostly)
broken dew
it strikes fear when it shows up
if you keep having it show up to wreck shit
it's not just any nid
wintry mist
you only really hear about the Swarmlord (jobbing, mostly)
Joblord
wintry mist
Abbadon the Jobber...
broken dew
mind you it's the nids so they don't have individuals that way, but i'm sure the hivemind would be able to recognize it as an effective strategy in some way
vital barn
Ryzans are orange, and as such are one of the few non-Mars forge worlds that have drip rather than just going with red, black and grey
broken dew
ahhh i see
trim spire
I like the Deimos color scheme
I have been tempted to make an auxiliary of them for my Grey Knights
vital barn
oh yeah, they have a nice blue
do Grey Knights have an allied allowance for them, or would you just be Imperial Agentsing in some GK termies?
jaunty dawn
I dont think the parasite is even a unique since it was reintroduced
Likewise doom of malantai became neurothrope which isn’t unique
trim spire
do Grey Knights have an allied allowance for them, or would you just be Imperial...
I don't play so they'd just be an aesthetic/thematic complement to them on my shelf lol
trim spire
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/722865032391819305/1443013134896992440/si...
I never noticed this thing having a turret gunner before
trim spire
Nonetheless every version of this thing I just looked up has a manticore head sticking out of the middle of its back like that
pastel rampart
trim spire
Not seen that before on a nid
pastel rampart
"I tells ya, no respect, no respect!"
trim spire
They don't really go for the polycephaly usually
jaunty dawn
Spore mines are so cool
I forgor
Cant find a source for the rider being a tyrant so I guess its just an alien reference
Space jockey
The part was called “Throne”
Cause you could order individual parts back then
finite compass
Doesn’t one of the big not-a-carnifex living artillery things have an attached gun gremlin too?
jaunty dawn
Most of the really big gun nids are like
The gun is the primary lifeform and the bug is just a prime mover/stabs things that get too close
So like, exocrine
sour sequoia
http://puu.sh/KEsZU/7fc4066607.jpg
I see where they got that one extraordinarily scrotum-esque acolyte head from now
floral herald
Barbagaunts really lean into that too yeah
jaunty dawn
Like exocrines are theoretically this but its all hidden under carapace
I think the new biovores/pyrovores are like this but its less clear
I guess maybe biovores dont even need eyes they just use like. Gps
Thats the hive guard (rupture cannon) thing but biovores presumably do the same
But yeah the new biovore and pyrovore cannons are like just gun bugs standing on the back of a platform bug
bright dove
Termagaunts are fleshborer delivery systems when you think about it.
jaunty dawn
I think the difference is like
The primary role of a termagant isnt actually to put fleshborer grubs in people
Its to occupy space
And to shoot beetles but not necessarily even at people
Whereas the exocrine gun like its whole role is to be given a firing mission and to complete it
Which also kinda ties into the difference between a exocrine and a tyrannofex is that an exocrine is an spg and a tyrannofex is a tank
past sphinx
next time i turn up to a table and their running monster mash demons i think i am simply going to secede the match
atleast crusher stampede or knights simply stat check me
woe, 500 4++, 5+++ and a turn 1 charge be upon yea
pale narwhal
Daemons can be pretty nasty if you’re not prepared
junior summit
I guess maybe biovores dont even need eyes they just use like. Gps
this might be slightly old lore but pyrovore carriers are significantly less smart and less sensorily endowed than the guns they carry
past sphinx
Daemons can be pretty nasty if you’re not prepared
i really enjoy fighting them souped into marines!
pale narwhal
i really enjoy fighting them souped into marines!
/s ?
past sphinx
nope
i think they and an interesting texture to CSM lists
granted i just blow them off the board when their in world eaters or EC
but a team of blood letters or plauge bearers maybe even a GUO is interesting to fight around
sour sequoia
next time i turn up to a table and their running monster mash demons i think i a...
Monster mash daemons is like, one of the pubstompiest lists out there and its also 92% of all fuckin daemon players I meet
What army you playing/whats your list
past sphinx
fluffy space wolves
sour sequoia
Gotcha. Wolf jail can actually mess em up imo
There’s like two models that really matter in most of those lists and its belakor + uppy downy bloodthirster
past sphinx
i basically got bodychecked by skarbrand, bloodthrone, shallaxi and the kiaros with backupsinger than one model thats a lady on smoeones shoulders turn 1
i couldve played slightly more conservable and had a turn 2 body checking but it wouldve just wasted another hour of my life
past sphinx
Bjorn the Fell-Handed (170pts): Heavy Flamer, Trueclaw, Helfrost cannon
Logan Grimnar (110pts): Axe Morkai, Storm Bolter, Tyrnak and Fenrir
Ragnar Blackmane (100pts): Bolt pistol, Frostfang
Wolf Guard Battle Leader (80pts): Helm of the Beastslayer, Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield
Wolf Priest (85pts): Wolf-Touched, Absolver Bolt Pistol, Crozius Arcanum
10x Blood Claws (135pts)
10x Grey Hunters (180pts)
6x Wolf Guard Headtakers (110pts)
3x Wolf Guard Headtakers (85pts)
3x Thunderwolf Cavalry (115pts)
Gladiator Lancer (160pts): Armoured Hull, Icarus Rocket Pod, Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Lancer Laser Destroyer, Two fragstorm grenade launchers, 2x Fragstorm grenade launcher
Stormfang Gunship [Legends] (300pts): Armoured hull, Helfrost destructor, Twin stormstrike missile launcher, Two skyhammer missile launchers, 2x Skyhammer Missile Launcher
Venerable Dreadnought (140pts): Fenrisian great axe and blizzard shield, Blizzard shield, Fenrisian great axe, Heavy Flamer
Vindicare Assassin (125pts): Exitus pistol, Exitus rifle, Vindicare combat knife
5x Deathwatch Kill Team (100pts)
assassin got swapped for the ol anti wizard boy
sour sequoia
Oh god the stormfang lmao
sour sequoia
What did you run for detach?
past sphinx
beastslayer as its treated me very nice
vital barn
I'm surprised the stormfang is Legends, that was definitely a plastic model even if it looks a little odd
past sphinx
believe me so was i
pale narwhal
GW wants to try and stop flyers existing at all in competitive spaces I think
sour sequoia
I’ll be real this feels like a dice thing, a lot of your units should be pretty solid into big daemons. Where’s ragnar attaching?
If I was runnin into daemons I’d try him with the blood claws, wound rerolls and giga speed means you can get the first engagement on whatever the thunderwolves bunt
Its kinda counterintuitive but you have to just flood demons with rerolls and volume
Screen what you can and try to hold just a triangle of center and natural expansion
thin ibex
The storm fang, even as a regular kit, did not see regular play tbh
rocky shale
The deathwatch kill team is a bit wierd in that list?
mental birch
Monster mash daemons is like, one of the pubstompiest lists out there and its al...
My demon army isnt monster mash
Its too many horrors
vital barn
Yes, Vraal could almost hear his eulogy spoken now. The Exalted had sent him here to die, spending his life for the good of the warband. So be it.
Of course, this new plan to awaken Malcharion had to be put down with tact.
With nuance.
With subtlety.
Vraal's claws slid from the sheaths on his gauntlets. They sparked and crackled, wreathed in killing lightning.
"Brothers!" he called joyously into the vox, "Everyone in this room is going to die!"A moment later, he was wading into bolter fire, laughing through the speakers on his tusked helm.
I fucking love the Night Lords
the only Astartes allowed into Terminator armour should be the ones who can prove they will have this much fun with it
sour sequoia
Everyone says they’re losers but yanno. The Night Lords are having almost as good a time as the orks
pastel rampart
They're losers in the same way most of the chaos legions are losers: not a unified force but a disparate group of warbands that can barely keep themselves together, never mind present a strong front against the imperium.
Black Legion, Iron Warriors, and to a lesser extend Red Corsairs are the only really unified CSM forces. Alpha Legion are too up their own ass in backstabbing conspiracies to do much more than wetwork, and the 4 god-specific legions are similarly too scattered--World Eaters are broken, Emperor's Children are busy being hedonistic weirdos, and Thousand Sons are mostly empty suits.
Death Guard are sorta still together but there's still factions within there and their strength is tied to Nurgle so they wax and wane with him.
misty violet
Everyone says they’re losers but yanno. The Night Lords are having almost as goo...
People also project a lot of Konrad onto his legion, whereas while he was depressed and ultimately suicidal about how everything turned out most of the Legion, and the modern warbands especially, are just happy to be wearing necklaces of hands and wallpapering their voidships with flayed skin
runic swallow
They’re also absolute rats scurrying around trying to get the easiest fights to take shit and then running when facing real opposition
To be clear this is Absolute Rats [Derogatory and Commendatory]
misty violet
Yeah admittedly their whole shtick is punching down, effectively
past sphinx
remant blades is a great ol time thats just like 40 backstabs in a row by nightlords to nightlords for other people including nightlords but not always
upper canopy
Night Lords are not losers because they lose but are losers because their entire existence is just bullying people and running away if an actual threat shows up
pale narwhal
Just had a lovely killteam game facing blades of khaine with my battleclade. Lost solidly but learnt a lot (mostly in regards to positioning and how obscene blades of khaine are but also some order of operations stuff)
floral herald
BoK can be such ass beaters yeah
I imagine they're a rough MU because of the mobility gap
pale narwhal
Yep
My heavy bolter whiffed into her dire avenger exarch (1 regular hit, no crits, also I forgot to ceaseless the guy beforehand) but generally my rolls were solid, hers were just better (many many 4 crit shuriken pistol attacks) and I made a few positioning mistakes that she was able to punish heavily
Wasn’t an utter stomp though, 16/8 loss and I killed half the eldar.
It’s also a rough matchup bc she could move, shoot, and dash into cover. Also had Plant Banner on a striking scorpion who stayed in super conceal on vantage terrain where I had to charge to get to it. Which was unfortunate
Fun game though
Learnt a ton and got valuable feedback about positioning and deployment
It is only my ninth game of killteam so I can’t be too hard on myself. A lot of the mistakes I’m making are teething issues (insofar as I’ll grow out of them as I get in more reps)
tepid stratus
Battle clade is also a rough team to start with because they just play the game different
I've had some wild games playing them into raveners
pale narwhal
I'm loving them tbh
I've actually beaten my buddies' raveners both times I've fought them (rather crushingly), but he's misplayed pretty severely so that's not on the teams at all
floral herald
My heavy bolter whiffed into her dire avenger exarch (1 regular hit, no crits, a...
Plant banner is so strong
pale narwhal
yeah it's tough to contest especially as battleclade
5" move hurts a lot when to contest something you need to climb 3" (so you have 2" of horizontal movement and if your opponent can block that 2" from being valid without a charge...)
west zealot
remant blades is a great ol time thats just like 40 backstabs in a row by nightl...
I felt like it started strong and kinda just... That's it? But the end. It didn't have much of a goal/purpose as a story, and the tech priest was by far the best part
past sphinx
Yeah you can feel the authors short story roots
west zealot
Mhm. I'm very much of the school of thought that you should have something to say with a story - is why I like Mike Brooks's stuff (if nothing else, his books are good character studies of the folks who live in the Warhammer 40k world), but don't really like Guy Halyey's stuff (very shallow characterization, it's very flash and no substance. Also his action scenes are just bad)
vital barn
thinking about how Mars has huge expanses of desert wastes as well as mountain ranges housing obscure sects and insular warrior cults with proprietary fighting styles and considering a plot that is just Mechanicum Jianghu
either in Wrath and Glory or just in prose form
mental birch
thinking about how Mars has huge expanses of desert wastes as well as mountain r...
My brain now going Magos are just cultivators
vital barn
the old master warpriest's finest student has committed some great crime (possibly real, possibly just being too vocal a supporter of Cawl's faction) and now the Malagra are coming for him as he flees into the deep desert to shelter with his master
and yeah they kind of are
they hoard discrete fragments of knowledge and put a lot of weight on lineage and mentorship because of it, you just have to make that about combat
vital barn
demonic sects (figurative) and demonic sects (literal) have to keep a close eye on each other
there's even a guy in Flesh and Steel who got on the wrong side of a political dispute and had his cultivation crippled (all his implants torn out) when he was exiled
vital barn
they even get a lot of their combat boosts from cybertheurgy that manifests as mantras and hymns to aid the circulation of the Motive Force, you could really easily write that as qi manipulation stuff
they fucking do that to Cawl in Wolfsbane
mental birch
Cawl literally just countered a body stealing technique
vital barn
he does a cool move in defiance of authority and they go "who trained you in this, you are not yet worthy for the XYZ mysteries, you are being put on punishment detail as my spy"
back when he was a level 1 chump adept
honestly, techpriest wuxia/xianxia, send it, it works great
mental birch
Such luck in cultivation
Countered a body stealing technique and stole his cultivation
vital barn
also a good excuse to have an order of warrior monks who are actually warrior monks, rather than Space Marines, who are really more knights
the Custodes get kind of close but they also have their own things going on too much
Mechanicus cultivator city where there are four or five big Myrmidax temples with different arts all feuding with each other
they dive into dungeons to find rare materials and ancient cultivation techniques (STCs), it all works
broken dew
Pretty pleased with how this turned out, looks a bit bare in spots but it's good enough
broken dew
He gets to be extra ornate and trimmed since he's gonna be carrying the chapter banner
He's also more streamlined, none of his armor bits are bolted on lol
pine matrix
Mechanicus cultivator city where there are four or five big Myrmidax temples wit...
Kill Six Billion Hereteks
Could an electro priest do a ten-foot cubit spear?
vital barn
probably, the Corpuscarii tend to lean more towards regular force lightning though
that kind of demiurge fight stuff does show up in the noosphere duels that happen in Forge of Mars, least
broken dew
500 models to the Ultramarines
past sphinx
youve tanked your karma by exposing us to this
you will be reincarnated as various beetles for the next 5 cycles
vital barn
well, I suppose Guilliman was also fatally wounded in the neck
floral herald
I’m actually kinda tempted by that more primaris lts shirt I hate to say
past sphinx
that ones pretty good
baffling how many and how bad they all were
this is like peak early primaris for me, its just nothing
yessir you are infact a space marine
broken dew
I’m actually kinda tempted by that more primaris lts shirt I hate to say
The what?
stark cypress
Please WARHAMMER GODS! LET THEIR BE A NEW GUARD REGIMENT IN PLASTIC!
tepid stratus
Monkeys paw curls and it's the ultramar defense force
stark cypress
I mean
I wouldn't mind space roman soldiers
It'll give everybody excuses to proxy Hail Cesar mini's.
stark cypress
ultramar defense force would go hard
It would go so hard
broken dew
ahhh
floral herald
My reach-y hope is that the 500 worlds breaks off of the imperium
broken dew
lts?
past sphinx
Lieutenants
charred bridge
Where's the next step for space marines beyond primaris for goodwill
broken dew
ahhh ok
floral herald
Where's the next step for space marines beyond primaris for goodwill
I need more fucked up looking space marines
Need more guys like this
(By NotramIlopak)
tired cairn
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/videos/wargutl7/fans-protest-at-warham...
How are none of these a Primaries Lieutenants joke?
tired cairn
Need more guys like this
Oh, I love the juxtaposition between the fucked up space marine and the propaganda poster. And yeah, more space marines need to look fucked up
I appreciate that Darktide makes it really easy to make characters who have been made ugly from their horrible scars
charred bridge
I need more fucked up looking space marines
Ah yea the OG 1e primarchs are the most fucked up guys you've ever seen
Not 1e but Rogue Trader Leman Russ
floral herald
I hope if/when Russ comes back he looks like this
charred bridge
It'd be funny if he did
He got lost in the deep warp where everything is black and white and grey
upper canopy
Cyan this is evil
charred bridge
*Please WARHAMMER GODS! LET THEIR BE A NEW GUARD REGIMENT IN PLASTIC!*
Ultra Cadians/Krieg/Catachan
floral herald
Ultramar guard would be cool
charred bridge
I haven't read much about primarchs besides Gulliman's origins but we get much about Ultramar itself post Gullidad dying.
Like the daily lives of the various worlds or something
past sphinx
stark cypress
Okay, that fourth one.
stark cypress
GW should know that making merch based on contemporary politics is a bad idea.
And it could be any type of flag
Any type of political affiliation.
sonic hare
holy shit james
stark cypress
Any type of political affiliation.
It is just in general a bad idea to make merch based on contemporary politics.
junior summit
well, I suppose Guilliman was also fatally wounded in the neck
for someone allegedly fatally wounded in the neck he is remarkably ambulatory
vital barn
look, if it takes an eldar death god and Cawl Nonsense to bring you back you were dead
junior summit
I'm just saying that most people stabbed in the neck by a daemon sword covered in horrible nightmare poison are not wandering around calling themselves the Avenging Son and having crises of faith over their dad
bright dove
He is literally built different.
tired cairn
Okay, that fourth one.
Pretty sure the last 3 aren't real (see also how bad the pictures on the shirts look)
upper canopy
"Do you know how many planets have been exterminatused by sentient xenos?"
"Including the tyranids?"