Warhammer and Such

[valid brook]

And a couple of the old metal Guard ranges had them as well; I can picture Mordians? I think

I think the seated Elysian block was more air assault than airborne, there’s a couple pieces in IA vol 3 that shows them rappelling from Valks

[jaunty dawn]

Maybee

[valid brook]

That particular piece goes for like +$1,000 on eBay these days

https://ebay.us/m/loS7YD

Such a cool idea though, FW Elysians really had the sauce crazy style

[jaunty dawn]

Yeahhh

I wanna make elysians

[valid brook]

It is the Dream of my Life to build out an Elysian army

Someday ™️

[jaunty dawn]

Ive been making a model of one of the darktide guns

Except then I need to

Retrofit it so that its a carbine again

Cause the proportions are kinda odd cause they have to fit the animations of a full size gun

But I need to learn how to sculpt ppl and clothes

One thing I do like abt the darktide guns though is they did take a little influence from the karl kopinski art I think

From taros

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/e/ed/ElysianDropTrooper.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120627205402

This one

[valid brook]

Yeah that’s Kopinski

luv me Imperial Armor Volume Three: The Taros Campaign

simple as

[jaunty dawn]

The best thing if I can figure this out is I can make lady elysians

[valid brook]

Honestly the FW sculpts are so normal human proportions coded that you could just straight drop female heads on

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah probly

[cinder wraith]

question for old world

can i combine a extremely common shield with a different magic shield?

for example a grand cathay jade lancer officer with Enchanted Shield and Shield of Nan-Gau

[acoustic sierra]

Whatever I have on hand, I think all 3 look nice, I find transfers are easiest if youre going the extra mile for squad numbers ontop of battlefield role

[vital barn]

New plastic myrmidons let's fucking goooo

They look pretty solid

Slightly different to the old ones, but they still work

[broken dew]

damn they look fucking cool

[vital barn]

30k mech does it again

I'm hoping "updated rules" doesn't mean "old rules but fuck your weapon options", if it doesn't I'm super down for this

Myrmidons are some of my favourite lore Techpriests, they sit down and xianxia cultivate until they can solo a marine squad or get in gun duels with tanks

[vital barn]

a box of 6 is also better than I expected them to do, these guys are Saturnine Terminator level killy and expensive per model so this is probably going to be quite an efficient kit

[mental birch]

I need plastic axe intent

Sword intent? No axe intent

[vital barn]

I remain convinced that a book about an aspirant in a Myrmidon war cult going through all the stereotypical xianxia plot beats but themed around turning yourself into a killbot would be pretty fun.

put several sects in the same forge-city, have them arguing and getting in public contests of artisanship, rhetoric and laser beams

then later turn them all out to rip a Space Marine Legion a new one

you can actually make a generic Myrmidon unit sarge into an excellent challenge character if you give him Master Sarge and a bit of support, he gets WS7 with that power axe and even space marine praetors hit him on 5s

he doesn't quite have the damage output to beat terminator praetors since those have an extra wound, but being a match or overmatch for every Space Marine HQ except the chapter master equivalent and some unique characters is pretty good for a sarge

[hollow laurel]

Are those macrostubbers?

Misc | Naval RA-chitect ↩️

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[vital barn]

they are so far above macrostubbers that the other unit that uses those guns has dual bolters as secondary weapons

[hollow laurel]

Good God, what are those?

[vital barn]

they're darkfire cannon, which are basically Eldar Dark Lances with double the rate of fire

[hollow laurel]

Oh, those are energy weapons. Oops/

[vital barn]

for when you want to put a hole the size of a space marine helmet in a terminator

other options for the same squad: volkite heavy machine gun, dual plasma MGs, conversion beamer, strange egg whisk looking thing that is mechanically a radiation flamer

plus power axes if you want

Darkfire weapons are mentioned to be pretty volatile, I would assume that either don't quite have the Eldar's command of darkfire technology or they refuse to reduce the rate of fire from two shots/round to one shot to make them safe

both would be entirely in character

the solid-munition alternative is the "mauler cannon", which is basically a Heavy Heavy Bolter

[hollow laurel]

Ooh. So like, basically an automatic bolt cannon?

[vital barn]

yeah, the shoulder weapons on these boys

you can't see the belt feed from this angle but they have big chunky ammo backpacks

[hollow laurel]

..You know what I wanna see? A tank with an Avenger Bolt Cannon on it.

[vital barn]

you are in luck, the Machine God provides (on slightly smaller scale)

[hollow laurel]

Punisher, right?

[vital barn]

dual mauler cannon, volkite sponsons optional

[hollow laurel]

Good God.

[vital barn]

they look small but only because the Triaros is unreasonably huge

I have no idea why that model is nearly twice the size of a rhino

[hollow laurel]

But yeah, imagine a Malcador with an Avenger on it, like a Leman Russ Punisher but more.

[vital barn]

the Macharius has a vulcan mega bolter config

which seems to be what you're in for here

[hollow laurel]

YES.

[vital barn]

oh yeah and to bring it back to the Myrmidons, they also have a Many Bolters option

dual "maxima bolters", very funny forge world

sadly these have never been much good mechanically because 6-12 bolter shots just doesn't amount to much in 30k but they are very cool

[hollow laurel]

They look like Vickers guns. I love them.

[vital barn]

and the plasma guy

hoping we get a kit for these soon as well as the destructors

good candidate for an upgrade sprue

[past sphinx]

god 40k mechanicus players just cant catch a fucking break can they

[vital barn]

30k mechanicum stays winning, literally could not stop winning if they tried

I'd say "fires of cyraxus being cancelled was a tragedy" but they've already nuked the rest of Imperial Armour anyway

so now it's just GW being dicks

[jaunty dawn]

I think if fires had come out mechanicus and skitarii would never have been combined and theyd get the same carve out as knights and custodes

[runic swallow]

They look properly chunky, I like that

I also like the whole 50s Death Ray look of the ranged weapon

[vital barn]

I like the shoulder gun mounts on the forge world version, looks less like a normal arm, but it should be really easy to convert the new ones to share that pose if you want

removing arm is much easier than adding it

now I think everyone's just praying they don't either gut the statline or gut the wargear options in the new rules

[pine matrix]

Are there any crusade-style rules for Horus Heresy?

[mental birch]

Ita gonna be gutted to 2 of each

I can read GW moneybrain

[vital barn]

well that's actually an improvement in pure kit contents because resin destructors have 1 of each of 3 different guns

[mental birch]

Hahaa

[vital barn]

none of which are the darkfire cannon you usually equip them with

[mental birch]

Ahahah

[vital barn]

as long as they keep the option to use all their normal guns in the rules it'll be great

currently they can have darkfire, conversion beamer, volkite or rad

[mental birch]

Forgor the default existed

Hmmmm

[vital barn]

these guys are going to be so good for conversions

finally we have brick shithouse techpriest

and they're basically the same size as Kataphrons

[pale narwhal]

Them as kataphrons would fuck immensely

[vital barn]

I feel that if I get some I will simply magnetise them to also work as breachers

absolute worst case scenario there is that I need to magnetise the base and the arm, which is incredibly easy

I think I even have six breacher arc rifles sitting around because my katas from way back when are glued as grav destroyers

[past sphinx]

what happened to drop pods being armed

are the admech ripping the guns out to sell for cigarettes

like space catalytic converters

[charred bridge]

Ad mech still do that but for Necrons

[mental birch]

Are they? Kataphrons fill up a 60nm

60mm

[charred bridge]

You goto to sleep in your own tomb and a bunch of apes with integrated toasters hijack your tomb's necrocopper, can't have shit in imperium space

[vital barn]

Myrmidons are on 40s, but the Kataphrons have a lot of empty space on their bases and the Myrmidons take up the whole damn thing, they're very similar in actual model size

minicompare can sometimes lie but this fits with what I've seen

myrms are chunky lads, the kataphron might be a little longer but they look very similar from the front

[broken dew]

gawdamn

Myrmidons are chunky lads

30k mechanicum stays winning

[vital barn]

so far they have exactly three lore appearances, they're much loved despite it

[broken dew]

i get it tbh

[vital barn]

Aravolos of the Cult Myrmidia, his bulky form shrouded in tattered robes of Martian red, deactivated his link to the noosphere. Simultaneously strangling an officer of the Emperor’s Children with all four of his mechandendrites, and releasing sustained beams of volkite energy at the rest of the sergeant’s squad from his fixed gunlimb, he was already engaged in the consecrated act of waging war.

His muddy, bloodstained consciousness lacked the time and focus for the Archimandrite’s treason.

Heaving with his mechadendrites he lifted the ceramite-clad warrior into the air. A second application of effort crushed the warrior’s gorget, broke his neck and tore both arms from their sockets. Aravolos hurled the remnants towards the ignited, retreating figures of the sergeant’s squad, and turned in search of another life to end.

here is the entirety of one of them

just doing WWE takedowns on marines

[broken dew]

fucking christ

that's so good

[vital barn]

they're not melee specialists, really, but they still have power weapons and are very swole, so they'll handle themselves against normal marines

[pastel rampart]

Taking an electrical box and turning it into a command bunker.

[vital barn]

the melee variant that show up against Sanguinius once are mentioned to have a lot of extra limbs and generally match 1:1 against Sanguinary Guard, although obviously Sangy wins because he's fucking Sanguinius

[broken dew]

wait are these guys fucking hereteks

[vital barn]

they can be, the Myrmidon cults are a bunch of individual warrior orders

some of them went traitor, some of them stayed loyal

some sat the whole thing out and continued cultivating shootiness

[broken dew]

you'll forgive me for not being shocked that a Mechanicus guy wasn't able to 1v1 fucking Sanguinius

[vital barn]

oh no he's just sweeping them out of the way in twos and threes like they're nothing, but he's also Sangy so that's not too much of a surprise

[broken dew]

i mean i'm sure they put up a fight

[vital barn]

there are archmagi in 30k who can give Primarchs a good fight but generic myrmidon 524 is not going to be one of those guys

[broken dew]

but he's also Sanguinius

[floral herald]

Sanguinius only participated in 1 fight he wasn’t a heavy favorite yeah he’s a freak

[broken dew]

i'm assuming you meant his 1v1 against Horus

[floral herald]

Yep

[broken dew]

which like, when your 1 fight you're not favoured to win is going in tired against the Warmaster at the height of his empowerment by all four gods of chaos, yeah that's honestly a freaky record

[floral herald]

Brought a sword to a children’s card game, bummer

[vital barn]

there's a giant doom centipede archmagos who goes 1v1 with Lion for several minutes, gets cut in half and scuttles off going "I'll get you next time, Lion!" which is pretty fun

[broken dew]

that's like, a statistical anomaly

[vital barn]

and Lion is pretty good at killing specifically giant monsters

[broken dew]

waiting for that guy to show up again in 40k fr fr

[broken dew]

it's sort of his thing innit

[vital barn]

the Witch of Thramas gets away clean, yeah

she's cool as fuck, she built darkmech unicron

they lost several thousand marines forcing it back into the warp

[broken dew]

he wasn't really on the same level going in

but yeah sucks

[floral herald]

Horus is also sandbagging most of the time to try to convince him to switch sides

[broken dew]

yeah

[floral herald]

Then breaks out the 8th dimensional teleports behind u and thrashes him

[broken dew]

Horus was gonna cook Sanguinius either way i think

[pastel rampart]

I think even if Sangy was well-rested and at his best he would've lost to Horus because dude was on All The Chaos Juice™ but I think he'd have given Horus a run for his money and probably weakened him.

[broken dew]

even if he went in there fresh as

he'd still have been thrashed

[pastel rampart]

Yeah like, it's no contest either way but maybe he'd have gotten a few good hits in.

[vital barn]

Ah, here we are. Seven myrmidons are mentioned as dying but Sanguinius does a death blossom later and kills an unspecified plural number, so I'm going to assume this was the standard-sized clade of 9 losing 4 in exchange for 3/5 Sanguinary Guard before Sangy did his thing all over the place

[broken dew]

ripping up the sanguinary guard like that is a pretty good showing all things considered

[dense idol]

i can't think about this subject at all without visualising the mike mcvey diorama from 1993

[vital barn]

and then the only other time they show up is in Wolfsbane where they conversion beamer a tank to death and that's about it

[dense idol]

i'm sorry, i'm sorry, i know this is a super iconic piece important to the history of this entire culture

[vital barn]

they also do some aura farming and some politicking but shooting a C-beam at a tank is fairly normal activities, nothing too cool there

oh yeah I love stubby little emps

[broken dew]

Is that Big E in termie armor lmao

[dense idol]

but it's just so goofy looking to me, like they're two crewmates about to call an emergency meeting

[broken dew]

Also where did Sanguinius armor go 😭

[pastel rampart]

This was in the mid-to-late 90s when nothing was fully ironed out.

[mental birch]

Tempted to build out a archmagos myrmidon

Notnsure how

[broken dew]

Why did he bring his finest chiton to fight Horus

[vital barn]

sadly you cannot give an archmagos myrmidax tons of extra guns, they just get the normal meltagun, beamer or plasma fusil plus a really good pistol and shoot them both at once

but they are just incredibly tanky

Myrmidax magi get an extra wound and 3 more points of Bulky, so you can get him up to T7 W7 4++ 5+++

which is a better statline than most Primarchs, who are T6 W6 4++ but reduce all incoming damage by 2 to min 1 and as such are more durable in practice

[mental birch]

Like my thought was to give her a cancer enfine

But itll lower the toughness of rhe others

🙁

Just wanna take oops all myrmidons

For boardinf

Well

[vital barn]

you can go for rad grenade + normal heavy weapon

phage + nearly as good as an archaeotech pistol against non-terminators

you do also need some techpriests with non-myrmidons just to get scoring units

[mental birch]

Oh shit myrmidons cant score

Forgot about that

[vital barn]

yeah, get some cybernetica techpriests with cheap automata squads or whatever

[mental birch]

Nice easy 100 points for 2x kastellans?

Hahaha

[vital barn]

there are worse ideas

130 for bare minimum line 1 casties, onto which you can stick a meltagun/gravgun/cybertheurgy if you want

but in practice you'll want some normal magi anyway for detachments so just get some bots for them to roll with

[sweet solar]

yooooo

[vital barn]

Oh yeah never replied here: no, not yet, although almost every supplement has a little series of 1v1 campaign missions to run through if you want to do narrative games.

there's a combat patrol ruleset from HH1.0 called Victory Is Vengeance that I really like - you pick three heroes from the ranks of normal squad sarges or very junior HQ units, who gain persistent skills and injuries over the campaign, and in every battle you pick your 200-400pt army to go with them by selecting individual models from the big game's units, then forming them into little ad hoc fireteams of 2-4 guys

after the battle you tally up logistics points that you get from winning, looting etc. and pay to maintain your numbers (points value for next battle), ammo (number you roll after every shooting phase to avoid gun going click) and armour (speed)

I'm tempted to see if I can adapt it to 3.0, shouldn't be too hard

it feels more like an actual Warhammer novel than the big game does sometimes

[pine matrix]

That actually sounds amazing, would be great to get it for the interesting stuff they've done with 3e

I'm actually quite surprised there's been to official crusade type supplements for Horus Heresy, seems like it would still fit very well, absolutely for shattered legions/black shields, but could also be for just regular legions. Traitor legions being split up or losing cohesion as the war raged on, loyalists desperately mustering forces to strike back

[vital barn]

It was originally in the Drop Site Massacre book, for obvious reasons, and as such it's split hunters/escapees, but it's easy to change that

[broken dew]

watching a vid on the Blood Ravens and

if anyone saw even a fraction of what those fuckers have in their vaults relic wise

someone would genuinely just go kill all of them

i would not be surprised if they were declared excommunicate traitoris with the amount of shit they have apparently just pilfered from everyone and their mother

[tardy vault]

There's a reason Blood Ravens are meme'd on as a bunch of thieves.

[broken dew]

they stole from every important chapter, they stole from the sisters, they stole from the deathwatch, they stole from the Grey Knights, they stole from the Custodes, hell they even stole from C H A O S

[soft willow]

They had a couple of priests bless it so it's fine. No biggie, not like a bunch of the Chapter turned to Chaos or anything.

Really. Don't worry about it.

Also thanks for the gifts while you were here!

[broken dew]

BRO THEY HAVE A WHOLE ASS DREADNOUGHT CHASSIS FROM A DEAD HERO OF ANOTHER CHAPTER???

[vital barn]

more people should steal from the Custodes

fuck 'em

[floral herald]

Tbf 2/3 of the most important chapter masters in the Imperium use chaos weapons

[broken dew]

true

i'm actually genuinely baffled by them pilfering an ENTIRE DREADNOUGHT

[floral herald]

Say what you will about the ruinous powers they know how to make a melee weapon

[soft willow]

I mean wait until someone writes lore about how they got their Battle Barges.

[broken dew]

the dude died and they stole the entire fucking chassis

WHY

what POSSIBLE use could you get out of that while keeping its status as a relic

[vital barn]

I'm surprised there aren't more chaos lords running around with custodes weapons honestly, I know their gear is gene-locked but you'd think you could darkmech all over those like Argel Tal apparently did

that or a similar chaos-flavoured halberd-bolter

[soft willow]

I mean why bother when you have all those cool Chaos swords though?

Gotta rep your aesthetics and spears are so last millenium.

[vital barn]

this is true

they are very nice power weapons, at least, but I guess most chaos lords can do better than generic power sword

[soft willow]

Plus if you really want to trendset whips are in.

Haven't you seen the Lord Exultant?

[vital barn]

my one boomer gripe about the usual techpriest aesthetics is that this cool axe on the titan techpriest looks cooler than the usual cogtooth variant

there should be more polearms around in general

[soft willow]

I really want Knights to get a goofy polearm infantry unit in a future book.

Just like here's your melta-spear random peasant, good luck.

[desert jay]

I think someone toned down the theivery-ness of the Blood Ravens in later lore with a bunch of "gifted by... " and "named in honor of... " notes on equipment that implies it belonged to another chapter or non-marine org

[broken dew]

yeah this video is including that

but like

they OBVIOUSLY stole it

[soft willow]

I mean that's what the Blood Ravens say sure.

[broken dew]

there is literally no reason they should have another chapters banners

hell

[desert jay]

Video linky?

[vital barn]

I have a techpriest who is building a master-crafted electroleech halberd as his signature weapon and I am wondering how much surgery I'd have to do on a Necron overlord blade to make it not look obviously necron

[broken dew]

they have the most relics from Space Wolves

who you know

DON'T LIKE THE BLOOD RAVENS

[broken dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCsq3lQkquw

hell

[vital barn]

because I am a huge fan of this big long halberd with a small blade on the botton for gutting people while spinning a lot

[broken dew]

they supposedly have a primarch relic of Dorn

[desert jay]

TYTY

[broken dew]

the Imperial Fists would literally kill every single Blood Raven to get that relic

also the Custodian armor they have supposedly was on the Vengeful Spirit

so they'd be made extinct by the Custodes for that alone

[floral herald]

I think there’s always an element of rule 1: YouTube lore is always wrong

[sour sequoia]

cut in a skull over the inset orb on the blade, file off the dynasty heraldry, you're gonna be about good to go. the battery stuff is remarkably similar to power weapon batteries

[vital barn]

I suspect I would need some corpuscarii gauntlets and a lot of cables, but these things are locatable

[floral herald]

When it comes to stuff like this

But it’s been a while since I played DoW: 2

[broken dew]

true

they do have custodes armor though in one of the games

it's a relic you can get in the game

[vital barn]

new myrmidons make it very easy to make a big motherfucker techpriest, so I need an assault cannon, a cool melee weapon and a third arm, none of which will be hard to find

[broken dew]

https://dow.fandom.com/wiki/Golden_Armor_of_the_Custodes

Among the most revered artifacts of the chapter, this magnificent armor is believed to have been worn by one of the Emperor's guard when they boarded Horus's battle-barge, the Vengeful Spirit, at the culmination of the Horus Heresy. The very presence of this artifact on the battlefield can rally the faithful, allowing them to shrug off even the most grievous of wounds.

this magnificent armor is believed to have been worn by one of the Emperor's guard when they boarded Horus's battle-barge, the Vengeful Spirit

[vital barn]

DOW2 did give them a giant pile of nonsense to show the setting off

[broken dew]

yeah

[vital barn]

but I feel that a lot of chapters should have something they just nicked

[floral herald]

It also looks like this

[broken dew]

i don't necessarily have problem with them stealing a bunch of shit but some of the shit they stole is worth them going extinct over

[floral herald]

Man I forgot how much hair gel the force commander has lmfao

[vital barn]

there are at least a few dozen custodian weapons and suits of armour that vanished into the arsenals of Mars during the Heresy because said custodes died on a raid, and a lot more custards have died since hten

it's mentioned that the Eyes of the Emperor hand in all their wargear before they leave to go be superspies, which sadly makes it hard to steal it from them

[floral herald]

It would be even harder for them to do that stuff with Huge Golden Armor I think

[broken dew]

yeah

[desert jay]

Now imagining an astropath-email convo like...

Blood Raven: "Hello, we recovered one of your relics on a recent campaign, please send someone to pick it up."
Other guy: "We can't spare anyone to pick it up, send someone to deliver it."
BR: "We can't spare anyone to deliver it either, so I guess we'll hang on to it for... safekeeping."
Other: "You can't do that!"
BR: "If you don't like it, send someone to pick it up"

[vital barn]

armour sure, but you'd think they'd keep a nice power knife

[broken dew]

i don't think the enormous super duper golden god armor would be helpful for stealth

they also apparently had forgebreaker at one point

[junior summit]

DoW2 is where a lot of the random stolen relics came from

I think mostly as a way to give items cool names

Like how in rogue trader you can end up with twelve different relic swords by the end

[broken dew]

gonna need some mechadendrites for that

[desert jay]

(cont)

Other: "If we have to send people to pick it up, it'll be an entire company to kick a certain someone's ass!"
BR: "Wow, a whole company? How generous, we could use the reinforcements..."

[vital barn]

now that I think about it it is funny that they introduced an Imperium faction with better gear than the Admech and my immediate response as a Mechanicum player was "kill kill kill, loot loot loot"

lore accurate Magos opinions

[broken dew]

oh my gods

this has to be the funniest one

a relic boltpistol that belonged to an inquisitor

they found the dead inquisitor

[vital barn]

relics aside their standard issue supertech mostly seems to amount to slightly better ceramite, their incendiary bolt shells and the adrathic doomguns

[broken dew]

inside their fortress monastery

[vital barn]

lmao

[broken dew]

and yoinked the pistol from his corpse

actually INCREDIBLE

i sure WONDER how a DEAD INQUISITOR could have ended up in the Blood Ravens Fortress Monastery wi th a relic boltpistol

[vital barn]

that works, though, the =][= isn't going to drop the hammer on a chapter because one of its members did something stupid and got punched by a space marine for it

the Marines, the Mechanicus, the Custodes and the Assassinorum are all in the fuck-with-carefully list

[soft willow]

Not without good other reasons anyway.

Something like heresy among the chapter leadership perhaps?

[broken dew]

ok so Vindicare assassin gave them a special sniper apparently

great success

[vital barn]

possibly the giant pile of other stolen stuff raised some eyebrows

[broken dew]

the inquisitor boltpistol really isn't a problem compared to the legendary Dark Angels sword, Imperial Fist primarch relic, and other crap they have stashed away

they have one of Skarbrands weapons???

[vital barn]

OK now that's getting a bit silly with it

[broken dew]

also most of their chaos relics aren't even like, cleansed assuming this video has the right of it

[floral herald]

That’s the whole point of the expansion

It’s crazy chaos stuff you can loot which corrupts you

[broken dew]

ooh

[floral herald]

Since iirc the loyalist ending of CR is canon I imagine most of that stuff gets purged with Azariah Vidya

[broken dew]

Azariah Vidya huh

[vital barn]

hmm, what do I pair with Myrmidons

thallax, myrms, armour I guess?

annoyingly bad at scoring

A Lacry archmagos with Thralls can at least spawn a bunch more scoring troops and repair up any of the myrmidons that get injured, since I don't need the myrm apex

Army Vanguard does fine

but if I make the Thallax score by sticking Reductor priests to them they slow right down

[acoustic sierra]

Admech finally get heavy infantry not from 30k? ah nvm HH models

[charred bridge]

Let admech be cool after HH challenge (impossible)

[acoustic sierra]

They could be giving us Fabricator Generals as Land Tank superheavies

TBF I bet every Admech model takes 4x as much creative as Nid/SM/Necron

[charred bridge]

Necrons: would you like mostly grey with a little green or little green with mostly grey. The forbidden 3rd option is a little off shade green

[vital barn]

my only complaint with the new myrmidons is that the heads seem a little tacked on

there's this big gap between the shoulderpads and behind the head that looks kind of jank, might stick some spare parts and greenstuff cables in there

[pastel rampart]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G5-GXOqXMAAQU0p?format=jpg&name=orig

[vital barn]

sadly only Scoria is truly a walking dreadnought, but the 30k myrmidons are about as heavily armed as Centurions

I suppose that's fairly close to a Castraferrum dread

[broken dew]

damn Scoria do be a big fella

[vital barn]

he is very slightly tougher than a saturnine dread, yeah

large magos

[broken dew]

jeez

also i am really liking how the art of my Chief Apothecary guy is turning out so far

[vital barn]

smaller guns, but he beats anyone besides Valdor, Ka'Bandha and the Primarchs in a duel and goes about even with Samus, so he's doing pretty good

I'm not sure why he's so swole

[broken dew]

the jet turbine jump pack was the right cal

bro looks hella cool

[vital barn]

his lore mentions that he's good at writing mildly heretekal but not entirely daemonic code for battle automata but he never actually fights anything on screen and his writeup doesn't mention his combat abilities

his warform is just incredibly juiced for unspecified reasons

[broken dew]

fun

[vital barn]

I don't think I've ever seen a flying apothecary before

no complaints, though

[broken dew]

i wanted to do a jump pack

and i was going to do the Chief Apothecary

because he was next on the list

i decided i could simply do both these things

he also got to wear ramshackle MKV Heresy armor

i wanted some variety of old ass armor and i already did MKIII Iron for my Master of the Forge

he's getting a knee mounted chapter symbol since he can't fit it on his shoulder

he got the little vox grill chest thing as well, was originally gonna try the chapter symbol on the chest but it didn't work

pretty sure i originally yoinked that from some death guard art

[floral herald]

Tbf there could totally be cyberpsychosis in 40K but the admech would just be like “hell yeah, get in touch with binharic rage”

[soft willow]

“I see my emotional cores are expressing extreme anger, I choose to feel this.” Fires up the disintegrator and combat algorithms.

[vital barn]

the Mechanicus is not susceptible to the Flayer Virus, outside one very odd and dubiously canon short story, but they are perfectly capable of constructing their own substitutes where suitable

[pale narwhal]

There’s definitely an analogue to be made between the destroyer cult and the ordo reductor

[charred bridge]

Machine Spirits says violence

Blood for the Omnissiah

[desert jay]

Or if it goes badly, you've angered the machine spirit of your mechadendrites

But if you turn into a rage blender, it's only "badly" if you functionally cannot be aimed at tech-heretics

[vital barn]

the Destroyer Cult are more "kill the fleshies" whereas the Ordo Reductor are a bunch of asocial nerds who really like sieging and wrecking stuff in general, but they do have similar methods, yes

[past sphinx]

One is a hobby and one is a mental illness

[charred bridge]

Not just flesh

[past sphinx]

Like warhammer an complaining about warhammer

[charred bridge]

Theyre gonna scour bacteria too

[vital barn]

where they end up similar is when the Ordo Reductor is assigned to its original job, which is "this thing won't die, please make it die"

they have an Emperor-given license to innovate in the field of destroying things that refuse to be destroyed, be that xenos, demon, fortress or technology

or at least they used to, in 40k they don't show up much although we know they're still around and still deploy giant doom artillery

willing to bet at least one Magos Reductor has cooked up the emergency anti primarch manual of dubious effectiveness

[charred bridge]

Destroyers got Gauss weapons which are pretty ideal for killing anything, no need to research how to kill

Ordo Reductor dont got a gun that kills everything

[past sphinx]

Plasma

[vital barn]

you might be surprised, they have a lot of strange and wonderful guns

[past sphinx]

And failing that OVERCHARGED PLASMA

[vital barn]

they definitely have knockoff dark lances, various forms of extremely painful super-fire and warp bomb IEDs

[past sphinx]

And radiation guns are good at just killing basically anything

[misty violet]

Honestly, the Mechanicus may not explicitly have cyberpsychosis but I do get the impression that 40k cybernetics are more body horror transgression against your own human instincts than transhuman liberation

[runic swallow]

“Haha, get ARS bozo”

[junior summit]

Isnt there a mechanicum HQ unit that used to be able to one turn primarchs?

[junior summit]

They're both and its a mindset thing

The admech sees it as transhuman liberation usually

Frequently as a statement of religious progression towards enlightenment

The guardsman who got fitted with a non-masterwork augmetic after losing their arm to a frag grenade is probably less sanguine about things

[vital barn]

that was Scoria, mostly because he had a fairly broken melee weapon

now he is "merely" the next best thing

can't fight primarchs but can 1v1 greater daemons and handily beat anything other than Ka'Bandha, Valdor and the nineteen large adult sons

[junior summit]

Ah ic

theres a few magos whose warforms are dreadnought scale in the books

[vital barn]

the Mechanicum definitely view enhancement as a self-actualisation/holy enlightenment thing, at least among members of the priesthood

[junior summit]

A couple people permanently entombed in their chosen building as well

[vital barn]

The myrmidons were architects of their own enhancement, and so they were blessed with the potency the Machine-God provides to he who works his own will upon his own form. Little more of flesh remained to them than it did to the thallaxii, but they appeared more human for their ugliness.

From Wolfsbane, viewpoint of Cawl (who is fairly chrome-skeptic as priests go, he likes biotech)

[junior summit]

In one of the rho-1 lux short stories she consults a magos who is basically a living livrary and gets a new arm to try to forget about symeon

[vital barn]

I was unaware she had short stories

[junior summit]

Its in one of the warhammer crime compilations

[vital barn]

Myrmidons especially are interesting among the various hyper-elite units of the setting because they're mostly self-made, literally

[junior summit]

Also noir fiction but with robots rules and I need more of this

[vital barn]

I can't think of many other dudes like that

[junior summit]

"Oh I have to consult my priest who carries a gun like everyone else in the imperium"

[brittle salmon]

The Vorbis Conspiracy

It's a good one

[vital barn]

I guess Myrmidons, Daemon Princes, Exarchs and Tau battlesuit pilots?

marines/custodes/daemons/etc. don't construct themselves from baseline when they want to get stronger

[junior summit]

Mechanicus writ large

Necron destroyers since they kit themselves out with the hoverlegs

[vital barn]

ah, destroyers also

[untold swallow]

AXE OF MORKAI INTENSIFIES

[fossil violet]

putting my skitarii together

[vital barn]

most necrons are basically stuck where they were at biotransference, though

[junior summit]

Technically exarchs?

Since they pick up new souls?

[vital barn]

I would include exarchs

[junior summit]

Wait no phoenix lords not exarchs

[vital barn]

question from someone who is highly ignorant about Eldar: are phoenix lords reborn from Exarchs or something when they die, or do they have continuity of form as well as consciousness in that way?

google suggests both because the armour continues to exist and they keep assuming new host exarchs, got it

[junior summit]

The soul is stored in the armor and then when you put the armor on a new exarch the soul takes over and consumes that of the exarch

[vital barn]

you know I really like that, at least I do something when I put down Jain Zar 1 of 87

always feels a bit rich when I put 5000 plasma shots into Guilliman's face and he just plot-armours off into the named character dimension

[junior summit]

A weirdly large quantity of the eldar high range is summoned by expending an exarch

Since its all the phoenix lords and also avatars of khaine

[runic swallow]

Iirc they’re kinda absorbed, but the Phoenix Lords are just such a dominant personality that they just end up being lil whispers

[vital barn]

"ah fuck I got stuck on the Path of the Battery"

does this make a Phoenix Lord a kind of Warframe

[junior summit]

Yes

[runic swallow]

I’m reminded of how scary the Night Lords novels made the Eldar and Jain Zar in particular

She wrecks their shit

[vital barn]

I'm only halfway through Soul Hunter but I'm really enjoying the Night Lords so far

[runic swallow]

||They do get her iirc, but it’s a “hah, I’m dying but I have a grenade” type thing||

Oh don’t read that spoiler then

[vital barn]

have not yet met the Eldar but they run into some pre-model-era skitarii and they actually do stuff, even if First Claw is built different

non-First claws are having a sad day

[runic swallow]

It’s vague, but still

[vital barn]

hmm

now imagining a Myrmidax and a Chaos Space Marine who meet several times, each more dramatic than before because one keeps adding more augments and one keeps getting more chaos boons over the course of like five centuries

ends in final clash where the newly minted Archmagos Blastyface has to stop the guy fully ascending to daemonhood because he'd be a real bastard to actually kill at that point

[runic swallow]

Something something if you have a rivalry that long it’s now a relationship

[vital barn]

the regular space marines involved in this are becoming increasingly bemused because the weedy tech adept they were escorting is now approximately the size of a land raider

techmarines never seem to do that for some reason

they are fully ordained priests, they'd be allowed to if they wanted, but possibly the great space marine homosocial peer pressure hivemind frowns on going full Iron Hand

even the Iron Hands mostly stay humanoid

[runic swallow]

You know what, that’s kinda lame they don’t

[west zealot]

'Not the cogboys?’ Chetta asked, rubbing her chin. It would be just like the Adeptus Mechanicus for them to have found a strange machine, made lots of excited clicking noises over it, managed to turn it on and only worried too late about whether or not it was going to tear a hole in the very fabric of reality.

Remember to shame your local cogboy so this sort of thing doesn't happen

[junior summit]

I mean 99% of the time its just a toaster or something

Its only when Protagonists are around that its a horrible bioweapon or gate to hell or possessed or whatever

[vital barn]

there was the time a guy did that during the pariah nexus campaign and blew up two necron battlegroups, his own battlegroup and enough of the solar system's reality to open a conveniently vashtorr sized warp portal

I would like to know what the DAOT put in those satellites he was fiddling with because Necron fleets are not the kind of thing your average archaeotech whoopsie can handle

[junior summit]

I mean sometimes you get tachyon guns

Though I guess the speranza is an outlier

[vital barn]

the Speranza is also the size of a continent, yeah

the 40k game I've always wanted is a roguelike where you lead an explorator team into Martian ruins and try to dig up increasingly deepfried relics from increasingly dangerous eras

since Mars is basically an apocalypse layer cake

drag them back and try to avoid being censured for heresy while also getting a decent price for your loot

[past sphinx]

you'll be painting batwings before the year is out

it happened to me, i can happen to you!

[vital barn]

I'm already in a committed relationship with the Alpha Legion, sorry

[past sphinx]

simple solution

[vital barn]

(what kind of relationship is not clear, because it's the Alpha Legion)

[past sphinx]

make them kiss

[vital barn]

I will say that the 30k Night Lords absolutely live up to their reputation and have some really fun army dynamics

[past sphinx]

sevatar being just a fucking murder monster amuses me greatly

[vital barn]

yes, this does allow you to push a tactical marine chump who was recruited yesterday in front of Sigismund and almost completely ignore the penalty for losing because it scales with the wounds of the model that died

Sevatar will appreciate the break, which he will use to murder four Templar Brethren singlehandedly and rout the entire unit while Siggy looks on baffled

Kurze also has batarangs, because of course he does

[past sphinx]

for a mere 220 points you can simply mist most infantry that walks near ol Sevy

wonder what hes up to these days

probably dead

[vital barn]

he's in the club with Scoria, Draykavac, Kelbor-Hal and Decima, got rounded out of history once Horus bit it

I imagine we'll see him in the Scouring

[past sphinx]

for some reason i feel its gonna be the scars that get him

[runic swallow]

I’m pretty sure he’s confirmed as being dead, but not the cause

[vital barn]

I wonder if the Night Lords have anything good for me to Rewards of Treason

most of their units are slightly dependent on getting +1WS from their legion rule, but Contekar are pretty neat

since Fear goes really well with Alpha Legion status fuckery

nobody likes the Effrit/batman combo

[past sphinx]

like night raptors are eh

contekar are slightly worth it in maybe drip alone

but some volkite and fancy power claws never hurt ot have around

[vital barn]

Fear is nice, Deep Strike is nice, volkite is nice, honestly a shame they're stuck with the fancy power swords

they are quite cheap at least

more things in general should have power claws, they look great in the art

[pastel rampart]

It was said that Sevatar was eventually killed during the Horus Heresy, and was succeeded as First Captain by Zso Sahaal, a Terran born marine. Following his death, the Atramentar largely dissolved. Some, like Apothecary Talos Valcoran, put this down to Sahaal not being a Nostraman, but according to the Atramentar asked by Mercutian, a member of First Claw, 10th Company, it was mostly because the Atramentar felt no one could live up to Sevatar's reputation.[1b] During a moment with his Chosen, Curze demanded Sevatar come forward, only to be informed that Sevatar was long dead, a revelation which left the Night Haunter extremely agitated.[4] Mercutian confided to Octavia, the Navigator of the Echo of Damnation, that he believed Sevatar was still alive, a prospect Talos dismissed.

[past sphinx]

killed by another nightlord

perfection

[broken dew]

Talos Valcoran was the funny apothecary guy wasn't he

[past sphinx]

yes

[pastel rampart]

I think it's better he stay dead because it keeps to the theme that anyone who could keep the Night Lords in line eventually bites it for one reason or another and there's just no chance of there ever being cohesion with the legion ever again.

[past sphinx]

its a lot funnier if he stays dead

[pastel rampart]

Yeah.

[broken dew]

My medic guy got compared to him on account of wearing Heresy armor iirc

[past sphinx]

good ol mk5

the toyota tacoma of armor mks

[untold swallow]

Wait is Talos the 'autistic stare' guy?

[past sphinx]

yes

[untold swallow]

(this is not a joke that's a line from the book)

[broken dew]

Big fan of putting the medic in dogshit mishmash armor held together with space age rivets

[acoustic sierra]

The LT progresses

Alas I have realized I dont have any Orange paint for a volkite airbrush effect, purple it is

[broken dew]

The best part is still the jump pack, i'm so happy with how that whole idea is panning out

Put the medic in our shoddiest relic armor, strap a jetpack on him, and send him off at mach speed

[untold swallow]

"The best medical care is violent injury prevention."

[broken dew]

The harmacist

[charred bridge]

Necrons say lol shielding

Also not the Kroot eating Orks and gaining their ancestral DNA memory then creating their own God to beat up Gork and Mork in their beliefs

They depicted Gork and Mork as soyjack

[broken dew]

Was debating doing dual narthesium arms but he really should have an arm free for holding proper weapons

[vital barn]

that's why the ordo reductor exists, yes

[mental birch]

'Gifted'

[vital barn]

we've only seen two of them in sustained combat - the Archimandrite (apparently OR despite being named after a different Arcana, very odd decision there) got possessed by Drach'nyen and then stomped its way through the Custodes and Sisters of Silence until our protagonists stopped it, Calleb Decima was shot down over Istvaan III and took personal offence to the fact

[mental birch]

Also been thinking of a base for magos

The figthy cultivator one

For models

[vital barn]

(Decima, taking offence)

[vital barn]

the Malagra have the existing Arcuitor model, so you could take cues for that

Myrmidax are a little broader in scope beyond "huge, beefy, killy"

[mental birch]

Myrmidax yeah

Haha

I used the nighthaunt to do my lachry techpriest

[vital barn]

I've seen some built with Domitars

this fellow, for instance

but domitars are quite hard to get your hands on since they're resin-only

[pastel rampart]

https://i.imgur.com/uVVfcDj.jpg

[hollow laurel]

..Tiger roll?

[past sphinx]

i finally brought an assassin to a game

vindicare

he missed 3 times

then one tapped a callidus across the map turn 3

[vital barn]

assassin to assassin communication

[thin ibex]

mild necro, but wasn't one of the "anti primarch" weapons that got developed psyker, smart, power armored super ogryns?

And they ultimately faild to kill horus?

[vital barn]

I know someone unleashed a huge horde of charonites on the Vengeful Spirit once but Horus just whacked them, and those are just a kind of insane berserker ogryn with big claws

never heard of psychic ogryns

[junior summit]

psyker ogryns are a thing

possibly singular but there's at least one

[acoustic sierra]

Yeah avg vindicare performance

[mental birch]

I need a giant cloaked weirdo with a axe

[quaint compass]

There is a severe lack of abhuman psykers as a thing in the setting, which I imagine is put up to psykers kinda-sorta being a sort of abhuman already.

Gimme Frodwise Gabber the ratling psyker tasked with infiltrating the Wyrmwood to destroy an evil artifact of Vashtorr

[vital barn]

the fall of Cadia book is surprisingly good

mostly because Trazyn is here and has momentarily switched his attentions from flirting with Orikan to flirting with Cawl

Cawl looked over his shoulder at the xenos giant, who stood half-hidden in the shadow of a pylon, surrounded by the weapons of the Breachers. He'd plucked a servo-skull out of the air and was turning it over in his hands, death-mask head tilted to one side as he examined it. The suspensor engine buzzed in irritation, trying to escape.

'What are you doing?' mouthed Cawl, covering the vox handset with one hand and throwing the others up in indignation.

"This is unique wiring, he said, as if Cawl was being deeply unreasonable. He ran a palm-emitter over the component. 'Unique to the forge world of Magnax before it was lost in the Heresy. The same filaments and focusing lenses used in las-impulsors. Far too good to be repurposed in a servo-skull.

'Put it back.'

The alien's impassive death mask tilted to one side, and Cawl swore the metal mouth curled up at the edges. Then the necron flicked his necrodermis hand as if performing an act of prestidigitation and the component vanished into a hole in reality. He opened his empty hands, innocent. 'I lost it.'

Both of them are so full of themselves in every book they're in and stand slightly apart from their respective factions for rule of funny purposes, so it's fun to see them bounce off each other

[vital barn]

Twice-Dead King massively increased my enjoyment of necrons by demonstrating that they don't default to being immortal, invincible gadflies skipping around ignoring all difficulties with supertech, and that actually made the one Necron who basically is more interesting

[broken dew]

Trazyn my goat

Unmatched kleptomania

[vital barn]

he is a little bit of a walking power fantasy but it's OK, I forgive him

he's fun enough

[broken dew]

I don't really mind that too much because it serves the story of him being a kleptomaniac museum manager and i think that's really funny

Plus it's not an instawin button

Which helps

Trazyn gets to take L's trying to collect shit for his museum

[vital barn]

well, it kind of is, at least where he's concerned, he just wasn't able to summon enough bullshit to casually nope a Black Crusade

it does help that other necrons also think he's a little shit

[broken dew]

Yeah

[vital barn]

I do really like the Necron attitude to my favourite boys, the Admech, and the fact that both sides are giant hypocrites

the Admech for obvious reasons, the Necrons because a ton of their shit is also broken, ancient lost-tech and biotransference seems to be a lot worse for your mental health than simply turning yourself into a battle fridge is, which they can never get away with admitting

[broken dew]

It's very funny

[broken dew]

Tbh as i understand it, everyone who turned into a battle fridge did so willingly and they fucking love it

Everyone who did biotransference seems to want to undo it

So the mechanicum is clearly winning in this regard

[vital barn]

well, the servitors probably aren't so happy about it to the extent they can be happy about anything, but the Necron Warriors are in no position to talk (literally)

[broken dew]

This is true!

[vital barn]

also it's very fun that Trazyn is kind of a bad archivist

a lot of his exhibits are bodged together for dramatic effect with no respect for historical accuracy, he lost some guardsmen at one point so he just grabbed a bunch of others and stuck them in the same stasis box, three hundred years out of date

[broken dew]

I mean he used iirc pretty important parts of his collection as pokéballs on cadia

That's not good archivist behaviour

[vital barn]

Abbadon the Despoiler is extenuating circumstances there I think

but his Second Tyrannic War heroes exhibit has one battle sister who is "authentic", a composite made out of bits of the two Sisters who were actually there, and one from four thousand years previous who he just had lying around

a) you hack, Trazyn
b) he's literally me (kitbashing a magos out of fifty different kits, only some of which are actually AdMech at all)

[broken dew]

The way i see if Trazyn does archivist shit as his "not going insane from immortality" hobby

Clearly it only partially worked

[vital barn]

oh he's obviously completely unhinged, but in a more functional way than your average necron

beats either unhinged (dangerous) in the case of the destroyers, or hinged (with explosive bolts) in the form of all the soon-to-be-flayers

[broken dew]

True

I imagine Necrontyr Trazyn was probably a better archivist

Getting biotransferenced and becoming ancient likely didn't do great things to his mind

[floral herald]

Not every one there’s at least one big dynasty led by someone who still thinks it’s awesome

[broken dew]

Right

The ratio is still pretty skewed though

[floral herald]

Aha, Imotekh

[vital barn]

a lot of them are also just going passively nuts regardless of dynasty of origin, although Imotekh is notable for still having almost all of his shit

[bright dove]

I wouldn't call Imotekh stable, he's just a fan of his killer new body.

[broken dew]

I think the fact that they call the guy who told them to do biotransference "The Deceiver" is proof enough that they generally don't love it

[thin ibex]

my understanding is that the Necron race is factional around the pros and cons of biotransferance, and that even some who dont like it are not in favor of the silent king's objective or reversing it

[junior robin]

finally, military police primaris Lieutenant

[vital barn]

sat down to stat out Myrmidons for 10e because I have them on the brain and realised that if you look at Space Marine Centurions, which had their statline in 7e when both systems were in lockstep, see what Cents turned into in 10e and adjust accordingly the Myrmidons basically come out as Kataphron Breacher sidegrades

+1W per model at the cost of range if you use the Centurion statline with Myrmidon saves, but damn, Breachers definitely got a glow-up from their basically-unplayable incarnation in 7e

easy counts-as too, I just need to magnetise the guns

admittedly I was translating the old plasma secutors, who don't have plastic models yet, but I assume they'll come at some point

I really like how this guy looks

if I had to pick one model to define the entire faction it's this guy

my only gripe with the new Myrmidons is that they have all this random empty space between their new giant pauldrons, their heads and their reactors, which looks a little odd and makes the head seem really tacked-on compared to the plasma secutor's really solid and cohesive outline

I'm going to have to find something to fill that up with

[junior robin]

yeah, the heads looks tacked on as an afterthought, the hooded ones looks slightly better

[vital barn]

looking at the new guys, I think you could fix basically the entire problem just by moving the pauldrons down a few mm

they're floating above both the head and the upper arm, so they don't actually cover the joint

might be possible to just build them with one cohesive shoulder line and then add a single greenstuff cable or something across the back of the hood

the new ones aren't bad, and they'll be amazing conversion kits, but they aren't quite as peak as the resin guys

luckily this is one of the easiest factions to kitbash out of all of them

[broken dew]

i think they'd look fantastic if you traded out those shoulder pads for Cataphractii shoulders, assuming they are big enough to cover everything properly

[vital barn]

they're a bit bigger than Cataphractii but maybe the new catas will have big enough pads, could be a fortuitous coincidence

the new tall catas also have strange floating pauldron syndrome

maybe it was the same guy

[broken dew]

wait how do the new ones look

i haven't seen them

[vital barn]

old cata

new cata

[broken dew]

huh

[vital barn]

I think they look a little too streamlined

[broken dew]

yeah those are weird floating shoulders alright

[vital barn]

also their power fists are tiny little things

unpower fists

[broken dew]

that's not a power fist dawg

wtf

[floral herald]

I like em but I also admit to really not liking the old models for them

[vital barn]

like the myrmidons, they look good compared to most minis but I think they broke up the massing a bit too much

[broken dew]

i really don't like the floating shoulders on those cataphracts

[vital barn]

old catas and old myrms are both really solid, stocky shapes, the new ones are stretched vertically and end up kind of odd

[jaunty dawn]

I think the new cats have grown on me

[vital barn]

still, the shoulder line is basically my only issue with the new guys and they'll probably be in a lot of different parts, so I imagine some bodging can be done quite easily

[broken dew]

I'm fine with the new catas but the floating shoulders are really throwing me off

[jaunty dawn]

Bug really Id like to see them irl

Which doesnt mesh too well with getting the launch box maybe xP

[vital barn]

hmm, I think with a little bit of judicious greenstuff it might be possible to just give at least some of the new myrms the broad flat hoods of the old one

the unhooded head definitely

and then do a little bit of shoulderpad surgery on the others

[past sphinx]

I try to be a positive person especially about warhammer where things generally can be pretty negative but d*** those looks so ass

They made the heavy terminators into twinks!

[thin ibex]

Question. Noting that you can put ogryns in a chimera, with some help from a commissar, could a chimera transport marines in a fix?

[runic swallow]

I love cataphractii, and super love that era of bolter

I forget which one it is, but it just looks very nice

[sweet solar]

like at worst they can sit on the outside, their armour is prolly thicker anyway

but yeah

[tired cairn]

🤔 power armor is probably a lot heavier than an ogryn, so maybe horsepower might be an issue?

I guess it's only 4 ogryn sized bodies

[thin ibex]

my mental is like... a 5 man squad needs transport and they arent getting any new support from the chapter; they could yoink a chimera and be off

I suspect a chimera has enough horsepower to carry marines, because i imagine its overspecced for moving normal guardsmen

[tired cairn]

Four can fit inside and one has to play jazz on top

[thin ibex]

its a workhorse transport pretty much

[tired cairn]

Plus you need a serf or two to drive it

[thin ibex]

rn, im reading book two for the blood of asaheim series

and the grey hunter pack (5 guys), is truckin in a modified taurox

noting that the guard commmand they commandeered it from had to sort of gut it so that they could fit in it

i figure you could do similar with a chimera

[sour sequoia]

FWIW the initial photos of them are a little odd I’ve seen a few others they’re a little thicker

The Iron Warriors paint scheme on every new model has not been doing them favors

[runic swallow]

Aww, don’t be mean to my boys

[past sphinx]

I think its just the big gaping hole between the arms and the torso just look so off

Like why the dominus looks bad to me

[runic swallow]

Not sure what you mean by that

[vital barn]

fundamentally a rhino is also just a box

that is not a complicated vehicle

if anything I'd be more worried about five space marines in a taurox fucking up the suspension since it's a bit spindlier than a chimaera

[thin ibex]

oh theres no way the taurox is surviving the trip

but its apparently doing the trick

[vital barn]

realised that the fact I have Fulgurites converted up to be servitors actually allows a slightly funny themed list

Servitor Union Picket Line
2k Haloscreed

Cawl (175, Warlord)
Tech- Priest Dominus, Volkite, Macrostubber, Inloaded Lethality (80)
Tech- Priest Dominus, Volkite, Macrostubber (65)
Tech- Priest Manipulus, Lance, Cognitive Reinforcement (95)

10x Rangers, specials, omnispex (85)
10x Rangers, specials, omnispex (85)

10x Fulgurite Electro-Priests (140)
DT Dunerider (85)
10x Fulgurite Electro-Priests (140)
DT Dunerider (85)
6x Breachers, Arc Rifle/Arc Claw (320)

Servitor Battleclade, all the trimmings (60)
Servitor Battleclade, all the trimmings (60)
Servitor Battleclade, all the trimmings (60)
1x Onager Dunecrawler, Neutron Laser (155)
1x Onager Dunecrawler, Neutron Laser (155)
1x Onager Dunecrawler, Neutron Laser (155)

2000/2000 exactly
Is it good? probably not, it does not have schmovement beyond the transports and the advance+shoot+action objective monkeys
but it is funny to run fifty servitors, some line managers and twenty security guards on sympathy strike

do they a) want a pay rise or b) object to the new management of the firm (a genestealer cult)

[thin ibex]

oh, i didn't realise it but for boarding action theres one dedicated to being electro boys, which i thought was cool; referencing my past enjoyment of electro priests

[vital barn]

they do pretty well out of Data-Psalm Conclave too, but Haloscreed makes everything better, not just the two priest squads

boarding patrol removing doctrinas sounds like it does kind of suck

[upper bluff]

Wait Admech doesn't get doctrina in boarding actions

Doctrina buff is literally what let's us be an actual army and not a joke

[thin ibex]

lot of factions get big restrictions for boarding actions

[vital barn]

I have no idea how Boarding Patrol works so maybe everyone is this sad

assault or pistol on everything with a gun is not devoid of juice but admech hitting on 4+ has always been pretty miserable

[thin ibex]

Tau loses ftgg army wide, for example

instead we get void combat discipline

which is big on overwatching

[sour sequoia]

Most armies are pretty sad in boarding patrol

Its actually like, a pretty good gamemode but the borderline random restrictions and rules changes are wacky

[vital barn]

Zones Mortalis and its attack doors take another W

[sour sequoia]

Getting those 3 keywords on admech in boarding is actually legit

[pastel rampart]

...man, I could print a Zone Mortalis board now, couldn't I...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZetaKE7KQo

[past sphinx]

content? in my darktide?

[viral crest]

Aw

Was really hoping for some kind of Mechanicus class

[past sphinx]

zealot 2

now with dual wielding

[floral herald]

Veteran 5

[past sphinx]

there are two classes ogryn and gun

wizard? brain gun. zealot? gun with stacks. veteran? gun with gun.

arbites? gun with dog

[charred bridge]

Oygrn is just big Vet
Zealot is just melee Vet
Psyker is just magic Vet
Arbites is just dog Vet

[thin ibex]

its all vet

because they all have guns

[charred bridge]

Scum believe it or not, crime Arbites

[thin ibex]

honestly i do kinda expect a more similar playstyle to the zealot, like gun zealot kinda; a more frenetic dodgy playstyle

make you feel cracked out

[charred bridge]

Seems like it

[thin ibex]

gonna be for the players who like feeling stressed, but also want to feel like the worlds most dangerous genius

Ogryn, in my mind, is the opposite; "I'll be ok" the vibe

[floral herald]

Meeeee

I’m stoked

Psyker and Zealot are my favorite classes

[thin ibex]

at least one brand of the psyker is also that "I'M A GENIUS, OH NO!" vibes

though i think zealot is a bit better insulated from mistakes

psyker feels like threading hte needle sometimes

[sour sequoia]

“I AM A STATE SANCTIONED PSYKER. OBSERVE”

[head blows off]

[thin ibex]

Especially when you're deep in the prescience mines

[vital barn]

comparing Myrmidon-type units to other models just on a whim and they're pretty close to crisis suits in both statline and size

Crisis Dude

armament checks out too

it is quite funny to imagine a particularly xenarite priest just walking up to a crisis suit, looking it in straight the eye(s) and going "hello xenos, I am Totally Normal Human, do you want to tech trade today" while the Tau try to figure out what kind of new even taller gue'la variety this is

"we know they're not like Orks, they stay the same size all their lives, why are there still bigger ones"

[thin ibex]

might be a cool face off sequence for a novel or something

one is wearing the heroes mantle, the other is a a member of a clergy dedicated purely to the invention of destruction

[vital barn]

the Reductor is actually the one sect of the Admech technically allowed to go "cool pulse rifle, yoink" but in practice all of them do it anyway

the staple weapon of the myrmidons is the darkfire cannon, which is totally not the mechanicum's reverse-engineered version of an Eldar dark lance

[thin ibex]

though im personally partial to the idea of bottom of the barrel enginseer fighting a bottom of hte barrel earth caste technician in a fist fight

[vital barn]

I feel this is slightly unfair because one of them has power armour and a servo-arm

is there a forklift battlesuit somewhere to even this up Alien-style

[thin ibex]

hey we can narratively equalize it

the uh, power armor is not on today for some reason

or i guess have some drones be the evening of odds

what im really interested in is having the two hyper tech oriented guys in the middle of a no holds barred fist fight, probably at the bottom of a crater

both spewing insults or something about the tech neither of them have right now

[vital barn]

oh, that's way easier to justify if you pick one of the Mechanicum tanks

one man machine, with an adept in it

zaps a broadside or two, gets lased by one of the pilots, eats a bunch of seeker missiles, cue fistfight in field

[thin ibex]

"Oh if I had a markerlight you'd be so dead right now"

Oh yeah? If my servo arm still had its torch I'd have roasted you!"
"A shield drone would have intercepted it you imbecile!"
"Not if my arc rifle scrapped it first you tech heretic!"

[vital barn]

the mechanicum armoured doctrine is so incredibly counterintuitive it becomes downright orky, it's great

[thin ibex]

Skitrarii and fire warrior at the top of the crater just letting it play out before going back to fighting

[vital barn]

their standard transport is longer than a land raider and has a huge steam train looking powered ram on the front, their standard tank looks basically unarmoured and is a giant self-propelled gun and everything goes faster than you expect

also all the Magos personal vehicles are super-customised

change the colour scheme and add a bunch of scrap metal and they'd fit right in on Ullanor

[hollow laurel]

BTW Misc, check DMs. ^.^

..I have a theoretical question. What wins in a straight engagement:
The entire Warhost of Mars
The Adeptus Custodes in their entirety.

[vital barn]

all of Mars?

Mars sweep

the warhost of mars includes three titan legions and one of the largest Knight houses before you even get to anything under the Skitarii or the Taghmata

[hollow laurel]

Oh. Oh shit.

[vital barn]

the Custodes have a lot of bullshit tech hidden in vaults, but so do the Admech so I'm going to assume that cancels out and there's just a big fight on a planet somewhere with their normal forces

[hollow laurel]

So the Custodes couldn't throw hands with Mars like, at all, without the Guard and Astartes to help?

I mention the Guard because like, they have full-on Titan killers.

[vital barn]

well, Mars is right next to Terra and they have assorted bullshit ships, so it's not impossible that they could just drop in there and stab a bunch of senior Magi or whatever

but they aren't going to hold ground very well because there are a bazillion military orders on Mars and some of them have stuff nearly as good as the Custodes do

[hollow laurel]

No no I mean like, throw hands. Like, Captain-General v. Fabricator-General.

[vital barn]

there are probably more than ten thousand techpriests who could beat a Custodian in existence, but I wouldn't expect ten thousand of them to be on Mars at any given time

Custodians can hack through unled battle automata because they're very clumsy, but they have a bad time against the supported automata of Lukas Chrom during the Heresy

[hollow laurel]

This does also kinda ignore that this would completely cause an entire civil war because the High Lords are infighting.

Josie | System at 63 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161696278640594954 message) No no I mean like, throw hands. Like, Captain-General v. Fabricator-General.

[vital barn]

if you got to select your ideal Mechanicus elite division from all the high-level kill priests, cybernetica automata and Skitarii special forces then I imagine you could put together an army that takes up only a bit more space than the Ten Thousand and could give it a reasonable fight

(leaving out Titans)

the FabGen of Mars is just not heavily specialised in frontline combat, nor was the FabGen of Metalica

the former was a building-sized administrative specialist, the latter was a floating battle cogitator the size of a baneblade

Scoria vs Valdor on the tabletop is a win for Valdor but they're in the same league

so I would imagine the finest individual combat archmagos of 40k vs Valoris is also a toss-up

Valoris is supposedly renowned as the finest warrior in the Imperium save Guilliman but I can't imagine that's because they held an all-comers murder monster league in the Imperial Palace and all the Archmagi and high-level psykers came to throw hands with him

[vital barn]

https://bsky.app/profile/zedecksiew.bsky.social/post/3m5w7lj3uck2w

technically, this is a maid RPG

[paper bluff]

I do believe, however, there was one fabricator general, that was basically a building

[vital barn]

there was, they had to remove most of him to fit him in the meeting hall in Terra and he still took up about half

he died in a tragic webway accident while doing dirty deals with dark eldar

no idea who the new one is

[thin ibex]

iirc getting the fab general over to terra for te high lord meeting is a whole dang process

[runic swallow]

Wait is that not a joke?

[vital barn]

no

missing presumed dead, although there was a post-credits scene of an unknown servo-skull popping out of a webway gate

which could be one of half a dozen characters in that novel

[tired cairn]

Was this when they needed the Dark Elders' help with the Golden Throne?

(which was a bad plan and went about as well as one would expect iirc)

[broken dew]

tfw you ask literally the fucking Dark Eldar for help

[vital barn]

yes, it was

haven't read that book yet, though

[pastel rampart]

Added some stuff to the front and magnetized the radar dish.

[broken dew]

Jetpack Medic time

[pale narwhal]

had my final killteam league game yesterday

another match against deathwatch, but this time I rolled quite well and he made some deployment mistakes. Ended up with a 20-8 win. Highlight was my technoarchaologist utterly obliterating a marine with his eradication pistol (4 crits, 12 dev wounds and needed to make three crit saves to live on 1hp), though my meltagun and breacher likewise obliterated a marine each before dying

overall I'm at 3 wins, 2 losses, which I'm pretty pleased with considering my first league game was my second-ever game of killteam

[broken dew]

i went with a color scheme based on art i could find of Legion apothecaries since he's wearing some old ass heresy era armor anyways

specifically the Apothecarion Detachment models on GW's website

[acoustic sierra]

Just some more WIPs, LT basically done, will highlight robe and plas, maybe the gold. Still cant figure out where ive put these other folks arms

[rose hill]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Ef2YrgyxUXg

[runic swallow]

Whenever people clean up the GUO models, it always feels somehow worse

[junior summit]

I think its funny how warhammer crime has kind of an escalation where the noir badass hard man protags carry increasingly large handguns and then Rho-1 Lux has the pistol of kills you instantly and bullet time

[pale narwhal]

that's just admech tbh

[vital barn]

bullet time consistently shows up as one of the standard admech combat augs, yeah

will blow your head off from overheating/overclocking if you use it too long, but Kotov has it, Rho has it and they can bestow it on random skitarii, which to them feels like an ecstatic religious experience

Kotov mentions that it is so tempting to just keep holding the trigger down no matter how much it hurts, to the point he only stops when his assault cannon clicks empty and then passes out for a few seconds

[pale narwhal]

I know some magi dominus use it to calculate like. bullet trajectories and stuff mid-battle so they can correct skitarii's aim n stuff

[pastel rampart]

He ends up looking like an old fat rugby fan.

SCORE SOME FAKIN' GOALS

[vital barn]

standard Skitarii are usually getting some kind of constant ballistics processing assist to make them shoot or melee inhumanly well, but that only puts them on Space Marine tier mechanically

if a Magos applies the juice you get true bullshit but Skittles are fragile and usually take permanent damage from being overclocked that hard

there's a good example in a codex where a Crisis Suit wipes out most of a Ranger squad before a techpriest notices and hits the go button

This abomination is destroying us, Rho-IR01 realised as his comrade’s biometric readings flatlined.

< Initiate Doctrina Omniscentia, > the magos signalled.

Rho-IR01 screamed as a hallowed war routine ignited in his brain and spread like cognitive wildfire, rewiring and quickening his neural pathways. His world liquefied into nonsense then crystallised into a vista of sudden absolutes.

I am His wrath made manifest.

His next bullet pierced the battlesuit’s carapace with almost molecular precision and drilled through to the pilot’s skull. An instant later reality collapsed back in on itself and Rho-IR01’ s mind began to shut down.

also used for getting eye lens shots on Marines and hitting zoomy eldar bikes

[paper bluff]

Say what you will. The heamonculi know medical things

In truth, the heamunculi just wanted to be able to taste the suffering of the emperor on the golden throne

[broken dew]

i'm sure the haemonculi are good with medical things

but they are also obligate torture-murder-fuckers and skin people and turn them into furniture for fun

[charred bridge]

It's a lot easier when you don't need anesthetic

When a faction tries their hardest to keep you alive
Orks: you might blow up and die anyways
Imperium: this compassion must be the work of heretics
Tau: thank the ethereals
Drukhari: no no no no no let me die

[bright dove]

https://tenor.com/view/pinhead-no-tears-hellraiser-good-suffering-torture-gif-5298813

[charred bridge]

What if the Drukhari gets thirsty during a long torture session?

[bright dove]

They didn't pregame right

[vital barn]

I think in this case they wanted to clone emps, stick clone emps on a copy of the Throne and use it to fix the big hole in the bottom of Commorragh that's letting all the warp bullshit in

unsurprisingly the Custodes were not down for this

[broken dew]

Shocking development, truly

[deft crest]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/comments/1olkwj3/you_monster/

[jaunty dawn]

pretty reasonable desire for the dark eldar tbh

[charred bridge]

Spoilsports, they said no to Trazyn offering to fix the golden throne and just wanting a little sample of the Emperor's dna

[spice flicker]

Thoughts on this DG list?

[charred bridge]

Drukhari coming with the greatest suffering tool, machine that makes you chronically online and only be able to use Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube comments

[bright dove]

You shouldn't trust Trazyn requests like that, his little sample of the Emperor's DNA would be the entire Emperor

[rose hill]

One (1) Emperor of all mankind, lightly used

[broken dew]

One Emperor of All Manking, beloved by all

[mental birch]

Any suggestions for base models

For myrmidax archmagos?

Need bloodborn vibes

Hmmmm

Because like she already has the vibes byt not sure

And like kinda want a cohesive army

Well tonally hahaah

Of being weirdos

[pastel rampart]

Grot doomwheel nyooooooooooom

[vital barn]

an Abeyant Archmagos Myrmidax takes a 60mm base and has T7 W7, and at that point I'd personally want something dreadnought sized

a literal boxnought would probably be a reasonable model to use as a conversion base now I think about it

Not sure about more spooky scary models that size

[mental birch]

Was thubking this guy

[acoustic sierra]

Theres a couple canine like models you could do beasts like vicar amelia with for that

Yeah like the one you posted, damn upscrol

[mental birch]

Yeeee

[acoustic sierra]

sometimes coming back to 40k feels like they changed math on me

The citadel painting app just has, straight up different recipes for some of the colors I used fairly often. remember them being quite different, I wanted to check the top layers to use on balthasar gold, but Balthasar gold just...isnt used on DA models anymore? wild

I quite like splitting between bronze and gold tones for ornamental metallics cause it has a good look against the green, miss me with this yellow gold

[past sphinx]

every GW scheme guide is lies

it just straight up isnt 1 to 1

[acoustic sierra]

Indeed, even the eavy metal stuff seems to have shifted too after they refreshed the DA range too

[thin ibex]

So arbites, they have special vip extraction teams right?

[floral herald]

Probably yeah

[thin ibex]

Reckon the arbites like... extraction teams are tempestus/storm trooper/ kasrkin skill tier?

[floral herald]

Potentially higher

That’s the normal arbites level and their elites might be fancier

[brittle salmon]

I honestly have Opinions TM about Arbites skill levels haha

I think their rank and file are shit at fighting

They're drilled to dunk on masses of rabble and gangers with highly superior gear, not real military targets

It's why they fit into Darktide surprisingly well

[vital barn]

my honest opinion is that mortal human soldiering skills probably cap out at about stormtrooper/scion levels unless you get majorly augmented or spend literally your entire life fighting, so they're likely much of a muchness

[jaunty dawn]

The necromunda cops have dreadnoughts

[vital barn]

I can't imagine that if you hit your average not-300-year-old astartes with a shrink ray until he became a normal guy again he would do much better than a Scion in a firefight

[jaunty dawn]

That are basically just thallax now that i think about it

[thin ibex]

a thing i split is 'soldiering skills' and training

Cadians are excellent soldiers

They are not, generally, tempestus scions

though kasrkins are arguably more elite than scions, depending on whom you ask

i do also think that higher tier training in the 40k universe is specific rather than general; itd be an illusion to assume that "training" improves capbilities across all vectors, as much as that would be ideal

like, I think that arbites will generally be better trained at handling law enforcement and cqc and suppression, but they wouldn't easily be able to do what a cadian veteran can do

or a catachan

like IRL comparison; an experienced SWAT Team isn't a 1:1 Parallel with a Navy Seal or SAS team

but SWAT is often pretty elite

[thin ibex]

It's probably also notable that yes, arbites are trained and equipped specifically to be better at bullying less trained and equipped enemies

but they also do have to contend with cults, psykers, xenos infestations, and so on

[jaunty dawn]

Tbf thats basically what all special forces are

A concentration of a relatively extreme amount of resources against a target that can't deal with it

[thin ibex]

well, at a certain tier of training, the pool of less well equipped and trained forces gets bigger

but yeah

that is true

It was something i was thinking about, was like "Huh a bolt pistol is excessive against just normal dudes" but then i remembered that they arent just fighting normal dudes

[jaunty dawn]

Like swat/hostage rescue stuff is all about trying to overcome defender advantage by investing several times more into the engagement

[thin ibex]

yeah

using material and tactical superiority to overcome positional, preparatory, and numerical superiority

honestly its not; from a tactical perspective, bullying; its leveraging tools to even the odds and reduce chances of taking losses as much as possible

though arbites specifically are kinda picked out from the schola for being bullies

[jaunty dawn]

Though at the same time arbites are like

Strikebreakers for when the strikers have IEDs

[vital barn]

interestingly, the stock space marine loadout is also specced for bullying

bolters are better at penetrating power armour in the lore than on the tabletop but they're still not great at it, and chainswords really aren't

it's mentioned that this is why a lot of the early Heresy engagements were so drawn-out and brutal

lots of functionally plate armoured guys wrestling in the mud

[thin ibex]

I do often say that space marine gear is not designed for fighting land battles against peers; they're effectively designed to overwhelm softer targets prodigiously (say, orks for example)

though i also tend to think space marine loadouts and gear are REALLY optimized for shock assault/ship to ship combat

[broken dew]

Beaky cops time

[thin ibex]

and space marines are generally not suited for protracted firefights, tactically

[charred bridge]

1e space marines were basically state cops/extortionists

[thin ibex]

its kinda funny to think about how necromundan police forces exist in a civic space that calls for lawbots

yeah once upon a time SM were kinda like super armored regular dude cops

[charred bridge]

Back when 40k was heavily punk

[thin ibex]

they used to have a lot more of that like... space marine vibe from say Alien's colonial marines than what they are now

[charred bridge]

And imperium was essentially a giant state runned bully with xenos in it

[thin ibex]

but i digress, I think arbites are well trained for their expected role, and are picked for the temperament of being a bully

and my vague impression is that they are trained, broadly, to the same category of a tempestus scion; skill and scope differences not withstanding

i mean, theres a level of 'they're trusted by custodes and black ships and the imperium to handle the tithe and psyker guard duty for a reason'

[junior summit]

Arbites are also expected to resist planetary rebellions for extended periods of time as well as the law enforcement duties which is why they are so absurdly heavily armed

Beyond 40k criminals also being very well armed

[thin ibex]

yeah the big guns they get make sense for the universe they live in

[jaunty dawn]

Demolitions/pathfinding/recon etc is just a different skill set to what arbites use yeah

[junior summit]

But the Arbites precinct is expected to hold out against everything up to and including PDF regiments going rogue which is also sorta why they end up dying first in a lot of rebellions

[sour sequoia]

fellas I went even at one whole GT and it's put me into top 100 worldwide for my faction on bestcoastpairings

help

at risk of doxxin my own ass I am #76 GSC lets fuckin go

[jaunty dawn]

What would a rifle grenade for a lasgun look like

Other than the obvious answer of nonsense

[thin ibex]

huh, i mean they dont take a specific design language from any irl rifle designs necessarily

so its hard to say which style would fit

[sour sequoia]

Mining laser + single use charge pack probably? Jury rigged as shit but lascannon/las-fusil/lascannon are all same tech at different scalings

And the GSC mining lasers (lascannon equivalent) literally have blast/blast templates

[jaunty dawn]

I think the auxilia blast charger is basically that concept but those are a magazine rather than a thing that goes on the barrel

[vital barn]

rifle grenade for lasgun is a Blast-Charger

and they do go on the barrel

they just also run the significant risk of bricking your lasgun

[jaunty dawn]

Arent they the magazine extension thing

Cause supposedly theyre in the kit

[floral herald]

They still have all the funky boosted senses and reflexes and such tbf

[vital barn]

I was assuming "back to human-normal" but yes, technically

[floral herald]

It’s certainly kind of… mixed in terms of lore

[floral herald]

Oh, then I agree

I misunderstood shrink ray haha

[vital barn]

you know they might be now, they used to be these big barrel can thingies in some very old art but that predates the plastic minis by a long way

anyway, they do the same job

[floral herald]

Since you’ve got your judge dredds but also a lot of weaker showings

[jaunty dawn]

Mainly I just cant find that art 😭

[floral herald]

I like their Kill Team depiction where they’re a quasi-horde team with straightforward weapons and very good gear for their numbers and specialized tricks

But they’re actually sort of poor at fighting outside of the Tricks

(With their big trick being one of a very low number of teams which can shoot into melee and having tar pit melee guys)

[thin ibex]

Turns out training can only do so much to even out the religious dedication to shotguns

as cool as they are, they are not actually great warfighting tools

side note, i actually love their whole shotgun fetish from a design perspective. The armor and the shotgun immediately tells you where they intend to be in combat without saying a word

[pastel rampart]

Which is like, fine because their main job is putting down rebellions and criminals. I suspect their armory is stocked well enough for actual for really-reals combat but we never see that.

[floral herald]

They supposedly have tanks and heavy weapons stockpiled to last a while at the fortress if there’s a huge rebellion or invasion

[pastel rampart]

Yeah. But there's rarely any stories that go into that.

[jaunty dawn]

They had the repressor

But like

More as backstory to it being a sisters vehicle

[floral herald]

They supposedly keep Leman Russ tanks in the watch fortress just in case but rarely use em

[jaunty dawn]

Oh I think the barrel devices were the collimators

And blast chargers have always been like. A reference to hotshot las packs and hellguns

[pale narwhal]

Hell yeah congrats!

[sour sequoia]

The known cheater and only other GSC player in the northern Rockies is somehow #29

We got a job to do

[desert jay]

GSC should have a remilitarized demilitarized Rhino, IMO

[sour sequoia]

Funny thing is thats a shittier Goliath Truck

Goliaths are some of the best transports in the game

Like I kinda agree cuz its fun but. The Truck.

[vital barn]

the truck is incredible in all editions of 40k + Horus Heresy, because cheapo fragile transports with decent guns and firing ports is basically always what you want in this game

[sour sequoia]

Same cost same profile same transport capacity, worse stats worse ability worse weapons

[finite compass]

Huh...

I wouldn't put it past them for the similarity to be an intentional homage

[vital barn]

Thallax are almost exactly the size of Robocop 2, as well

[runic swallow]

See, what I feel would be best for Necromunda vibes-wise would be the Robo-flops from Robocop 2

[finite compass]

IDK

"Infamous murderer has his brain implanted in a giant mechanized kill-frame and is kept in control by constant injections of Super Cocaine" is pretty on brand too

When you think about it, that's sort of an Arco Flagellant with extra steps

Just 'is a brain in a suit' instead of 'is still a dude, we just replaced his hands with electrowhips or giant cleavers'

[desert jay]

That's just a Penitent Engine

Okay not quite because they keep the condemned in one piece until they perish in battle

[vital barn]

this is basically an Ursarax in almost all ways including size, yes

roboguardsman for scale

these guys are monsters, you throw nine of them at an entire platoon of standard Space Marines on the tabletop and they will barely slow down

although they do struggle with terminators, dreads and heavy vehicles

all they know is claw

[broken dew]

Love going on the fandom wiki, seeing a chapter name i don't recognize, and getting this for clicking on it

[sour sequoia]

These are the only good chapters

“Here’s some fuckin Guys, they might have a paintjob”

[broken dew]

Also found my next art victim, gonna do a Chapter Champion

Trying to figure out how to fit them into my Castellan Shield honor guard name wise

Cause i have the Castellan Shield-Lord's as the chapter masters personal honor guard detachment

Might just have the champion be a separate guy similar to how the Black Templars have their Emperor's Champion

[desert jay]

Most of these only exist on the wiki because they either were a paintjob and a name on a whole page of paintjobs, or they got an offhand mention in some novel

[broken dew]

The guys i found, the "Stone Hearts" were apparently part of a psychotic Rogue Traders Retinue, and have one named character who got dissected by Fabulous Bill

So

You know

[desert jay]

Gosh that's slightly more lore than most of them

[broken dew]

Yup

[desert jay]

A named character!

[broken dew]

They also have war tattoos

Yeah these guys actually exist a little bit

[broken dew]

Gonna have him be a single guy role in the Castellan Shield as the Chapter Masters personal attack guy

[sour sequoia]

This is frankly the perfect degree of existence for space marines

Beautiful

[broken dew]

Their singular named guy got tortured to death by Bile which is very funny

[sweet solar]

lmao it would have been a funny way to resolve the dangling "when the emperor dies he might become a new warp presence/chaos god"

by having a clone die so then you have the ecclesiarchy with their god emperor granting warp boons and miracles vs the custodes and non ecclesiarch allied parts of the marines and guard with old jerky boy feeling better now the warp presence isnt draining of him, both at once

[sweet solar]

you could add bits from a mortifier or penitent engine or hell just sculpt some mechanicus robes onto the fleshguy of one

[broken dew]

Does that make Guilliman the Jesus rounding out the trinity

[sweet solar]

nah by the ones who might see it as a trinity to be worshipped guilliman would be heretically pro meat-emperor and anti worship itself, and more likely to be pegged as judas i think