Warhammer and Such

[broken dew]

yeah

i'd vc with my friends and do some online tabletop stuff presumably

[pale narwhal]

I'm far too mic-shy to do vc with ppl I don't already know (which is why I tend towards pbp as my medium of choice)

still, I'm like. so tempted to run this. so so so tempted

[broken dew]

fair enough

[little bay]

nice pfp

[broken dew]

Regardless of if i play it or not i'm 100% gonna make a character

[pale narwhal]

ty!! I've had Businessman Bingus for years but last year I switched his background to pride for pride month and then never changed it back (I forgor and then enjoyed supporting my friends who are queer)

[broken dew]

I wanna create a basic bitch marine of my chapter in the system for fun

John Defiant will have their day in the sun

[little bay]

that's nice

[little bay]

hey small question about the dusk defiant

are they as defiant as the lamenters in their last stands?

[broken dew]

Sure

The Dusk Defiant will move for nothing short of death

[little bay]

most useful indeed

[broken dew]

being sturdy even without considering their penchant for heavy armor, they will keep fighting until it's physically not possible

[little bay]

ok

but how about wearing this exoskeleton armor

since the maschine spirit will often fight even with it's wearer dead

[broken dew]

Honestly their gear would certainly follow that suit

[little bay]

:)

[broken dew]

The Dusk Defiant maintain many old armors

Ancient armors

The older and heavier the better

They will bargain for old broken armors with other chapters if at all possible and repair them for continued use, scavenge any sets they can from battlefields and space hulks

[little bay]

"Only in death does duty end" is their favorite sentence i would say

but that is wrong

because the legion of the damned exists

[broken dew]

Dreadnoughts too

They have a lot of dreadnoughts due to being so sturdy in general

[little bay]

cool

[floral herald]

https://disregardingdice.com/novitiate-kill-team-build-guide

This looks pretty in depth

I haven’t seen much of them so I don’t have direct experience

[west zealot]

Disregard dice, PURGE THE HERETICS

.. Honestly you could probably have a SoB straight faxed claim that dice are a tool of tzench.

[marsh tree]

Arnold Cunningham lore

[broken dew]

Emperor's Tarot or death

[junior robin]

"you know what, fuck you." uncruxes your terminatus

[floral herald]

Ok so this one might actually be a primaris lieutenant

[jaunty dawn]

Look at that beard

[junior robin]

finally, the emperor's ZZ tops

only me that thinks the arm looks beefier then a marine?

[thin ibex]

Space wolf generic captain

[junior robin]

could it be old Lemmy Russ, showing his contempt for his brothers strict adherents to the codex astartes?!

[west zealot]

It's an Adeptus Mechanicus Grenadier, obviously.

[broken dew]

it's rather clearly a squat that has killed a marine and taken their crux

power trike type shit

hit a space marine in the face at max speed with the front wheel doing a wheelie

[jaunty dawn]

Theres like bead with a skull on it which doesnt feel votann

But thats what i was thonking before

[tepid stratus]

Left field take but the crux design was also used in some old world stuff. Could be new empire minis or a chaos warrior based on the size of the gauntlet

It being a new chaos lord for old world would make sense since that's the one kit from the core line still shared with AOS

[broken dew]

definitely a possibility

[floral herald]

That’s possible

The hand looks very space mariney to me

[broken dew]

i still think it's the marine killing squat biker 😤

[sour sequoia]

Biosanctic, or Final Day. Final Day is gonna be hard mode

Vanguard Onslaught in Tyranids is very good also

[alpine fossil]

Anyone running a Wraith and Glory campaign that’s open to new people

[rocky shale]

The gf has expressed interest in learning kill team

The chemicals in the water are working

[pastel rampart]

Gonna make SO many tanks.

[broken dew]

yippee

i'm currently printing bits for a Contemptor

[pastel rampart]

Oooh, share the results when they're done.

[broken dew]

mhm

almost got one arm done, the power fist came in two parts and i printed them to the result of not really having them attach so i added a peg to give them an actual attachment point

[pastel rampart]

I'm gonna be printing out a rhino as a test piece tomorrow, found one that's very close to that 2e style and it's like...3 parts.

[broken dew]

it's fdm so it's not gonna look like, fantastic or anything, but it's still gonna be pretty fun

might try to fuck around a bit with the joints and see if i can make it articulate properly

[pastel rampart]

Oh for sure but FDM can get pretty good results. And once you hit it with a filler primer it's all gravy.

[broken dew]

currently it just has the normal ball and hole joints that need glue

i may try to rectify this

[pastel rampart]

That could be neat.

[broken dew]

mhm

[pastel rampart]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/9tnvytgp/grizzled-duardin-explorer-drolf-ironhead-sets-out-for-warhammer-quest-darkwater/

[broken dew]

dorf

[pastel rampart]

Pretty good dorf model there.

[junior robin]

cant belive they just took a Swedish name and added a D to it

[broken dew]

printing out the arm again and i'm gonna do the plasma cannon after

honestly might just put the shoulders on pegs too even if they don't have a tremendous amount of movement in the shoulders if i do so

just to make assembly easier

[vital barn]

I wonder what happens if my Fellowship 1 techpriest takes this

is it possible to have negative stats in WanG

[tired cairn]

My vague recollection is that the lowest is 1

I wonder if you can even take it if you don't have the fellowship for it

"sorry, you don't have enough social skills to rewire"

[broken dew]

gonna print things now and worry about making it moveable potentially in the future

[upper canopy]

I think if you reduce a stat to 0 you die

[broken dew]

i think making it static is probably the right call

[hollow laurel]

https://www.tumblr.com/autumnarchfeyartwork/782272693119647744/craftworld-civilian-clothing-trying-out-some

https://www.tumblr.com/autumnarchfeyartwork/798037181296934912/commorragh-civilian-clothing-sequel-to-the

AutumnArchfey's Artwork

Craftworld Civilian Clothing

Trying out some designs for Eldar civilian attire.

-# #warhammer 40k #warhammer 40000 #aeldari #craftworlds #eldar

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Commorragh Civilian Clothing

Sequel to the Craftworld version, I wanted to try designing some Drukhari non-combatant attire.

-# #warhammer 40k #warhammer 40000 #aeldari #eldar #drukhari

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[vital barn]

ah, here

so yes, it would not give me -1 fellowship, but if I bought fellowship up to 3 it would still reduce me to 1

not sure if I am allowed to take it at all

lots of other augmetics to get first, though

a third arm, then augmetic viscera, autosanguine, reflex catalyst, cardioproxy

maybe neurostatic but it would also whammy the Space Wolf in the party and I don't think I want to put a sizable malus on Int and Resolve tests on the psyker

[untold swallow]

l m a o

[broken dew]

you should turn your psyker into a bomb

it's efficient

[untold swallow]

Hey!

[broken dew]

i have no biases against psykers it's just good use of resources

oh bugger i made the power fist hand be the wrong one

gonna need to print a second hand

[vital barn]

the psyker is Extremely Shady so it's possibly they will explode of their own accord, I see no need to waste requisition on this

average space wolf

[broken dew]

👍

Vlka "we have no psyker's" Fenryka moment

[vital barn]

I am busy spending my requisition on being borged up enough to headbutt a warboss and assembling an electroleech staff that hits like a thunder hammer

[broken dew]

wrong arm but we do have arm action now

ok yeah gonna have time to fix up the hand arm and the torso today

will have time to print the rest of the bits tomorrow

not going to be the prettiest thing but like, Contemptor dread lad

[untold swallow]

I am making a character for such an eventuality

[pastel rampart]

Hey, seems pretty good quality-wise for an FDM.

[broken dew]

it's got all the details

i'm honestly pretty impressed

the lighting doesn't really do it justice

[vital barn]

interestingly the way my weaponry and archetype trait works means that one of the most efficient damage adds I could get would be to become extremely chaos corrupted and take Blood for the Blood God

this will probably not be happening

[broken dew]

i sure do love becoming a Khornate warrior

[untold swallow]

:3

[broken dew]

could be worse, could be Slaneesh

[vital barn]

wow, mark of khorne is bad

[tired cairn]

WANG needs a Chaos supplement so the corruption mechanic can be revamped to something less ridiculous

[vital barn]

mark of chaos undivided is directly better if your rank is 2+ and probably better at rank 1

[broken dew]

you should become a Khornate Heretek for sure

i suppose the Dark Mechanicum is probably chaos undivided

i don't see them really giving a shit about anything the chaos gods are about

[floral herald]

A lot of the chaos stuff is homebrew and unlike a lot of the other homebrew I think it’s kinda whack

[vital barn]

there's a lot more Imperial Faith stuff than there is chaos stuff, which feels slightly backwards considering the Ministorum is a relatively smaller deal

[tired cairn]

It makes sense because the game is definitely aimed primarily at a mixed-imperial group with some alien friends

Particularly the core book

[vital barn]

I've been enjoying reading through the Abundance of Apocrypha stuff, but some of it does seem a little wild

[untold swallow]

It has one and makes it kinda..... eeeeehhh?

[tired cairn]

Oh, it does? Which one is it?

[untold swallow]

Threat Assessment; Daemons and Heretics has player-facing stuff

[tired cairn]

Oh, I guess I would have hoped for a player-focused chaos supplement

[untold swallow]

talents for prayer to the dark gods, psychic disciplines for each god, etc etc

[tired cairn]

Or like, a book focused on playing chaos campaigns

[broken dew]

what is the psychic discipline of Khorne

is it dying

[vital barn]

the Votann rotary cannon is vastly superior to an assault cannon in about five different ways for the same cost, the Guardian Spear is basically just a power sword with a bolter attached and is value 9 Unique

I mean, I'm all for cool xenos guns but this stuff seems balanced in a mildly sideways manner

[tired cairn]

Too bad. I have vague but very stupid and silly idea for a chaos campaign >.>

[untold swallow]

The psychic discipline of 'fuck off there isn't one'

[broken dew]

Khorne 🙏

[vital barn]

I should probably read the corebook corruption mechanics while I'm at it

I've kind of just been going "well, I have about three augments that reduce my abysmal social skills in exchange for more Resolve and Conviction, I should be good"

[broken dew]

TIL that the Dusk Raiders were Brits apparently

[main pagoda]

in what way?

[vital barn]

oh yeah, they're from Albion

[broken dew]

in the way that they were all from Albia

[vital barn]

where they fought a bunch of steampunk proto-dreads in Birmingham

[main pagoda]

ah right

[broken dew]

AKA the British Isle's

[broken dew]

https://tenor.com/view/birmingham-danny-g-average-british-citizen-british-uk-gif-5883114680171836106

[vital barn]

they also provided Night Lords and Iron Hands recruits

[broken dew]

yeah

[vital barn]

so basically all the most mentally fucked up stiff upper lip legions other than the Fists

[broken dew]

they're brits too

[broken dew]

oh yeah i came up with an actual half decent reason for the command structure to have special names

for the Dusk Defiant that is

since i wanted to go for a more decentralized asset dispersal in the chapter, the idea is that basically every Company, or Gloom, should be able to act completely independent as a mini version of the full chapter, and each captain is essentially needing to be able to assume full command of their company assets in the case of independent operations

is this just making the already bad problem of splitting the legions into chapters worse? yes. Do i still think it's cool and am i going to go for it? also yes

[hearty wasp]

Hi. Many of my ideas are bad. But. If I could to back in time and control Age of Sigmar. There would be four major chaos undivided groups. Little faction things.

-Chosen of Archaon who are very heavy elite units. He chooses them specifically from those who are not aligned with the big four

Never mind

[tepid stratus]

For what it's worth that's essentially what the swords of chaos are. His personal vanguard. Albeit they only briefly had tabletop rep

Apologies if that was a bit of a buzzkill

[hearty wasp]

Nah its okay. Hesitated and spooked before you said anything.

[jaunty dawn]

Varanguard are really cool

Big honse

With teeth

[hearty wasp]

But. I would given power change bunch of stuff and. Add more unit variety to some stuff.

But. Other chaos things i would want to be things. As. Proper factions with cool new models

-faction of sorcerers who use bound weaker daemons (bloodletter, daemonettes, blue and pink horrors) and animate war machines with bound stronger demons

-faction made of those the chaos gods have turned their backs on led by Belakor. Foresaken, Fimir, weird monster things, weaker beastmen

-Army that is more norsca non warrior chaos.

These things are probably all possible. But. Just made more different or somethjg

[broken dew]

helmet did not survive printing

but it uh, sort of lives?

even in Death he still serves

also holy shit this would be so peak if i had access to a resin printer

considering if i should do an upscale version and implement proper joints in the shoulders and hips

i think that idea definitely has merit

making myself a 3d printer contemptor figure would be kinda slick

would take way longer to print everything but ultimately i think it would be pretty fucking worth it

tomorrow while i print the remaining bits for the lil contempter i will see the viability of this idea

[pastel rampart]

Hm. Yeah I think a resin printer for the contemptor would be better but it's not unsalvageable.

[broken dew]

Mhm

[pastel rampart]

I'd personally use it as a wrecked dread for ruins or something.

[broken dew]

Could for sure work

I wanna try upscaling it and giving it action figure joints tho

Also love seeing people call Roboute Guilliman anything but his name

Saw someone call him Recoilless Gun just now

[pale narwhal]

It’s very fun to mangle Rambunctious Guinea-Pig’s name

[west zealot]

Robot Gorilla Man is one of my favourites

[untold swallow]

Why the fuck has no one told me opensketchbook made a space marine ttrpg

[tepid stratus]

I'm right there with you on that one. I think it would be better for both faction variety and internal balance if the darkoath where split off from S2D to be their own faction

[broken dew]

big fan of the, as i think Kurze so lovingly put it, "avenging bean counter"

[broken dew]

it popped off hella yesterday i don't know how you missed it

[untold swallow]

I must have been running my WanG game <XD

[broken dew]

there was an at-length discussion

i liked the bits about gender and personalities

also the like, downsides of each primatch bloodline were really fun

especially with how lopsided they are

[pale narwhal]

probably, yeah, I recall some WanG talk happening at the same time

[untold swallow]

Ye Misc and Briar are in said game

If our group of players was somehow all space marines I would be telling them now that we're switching to oath

But sadly only half are failchildren of the failperor

[pale narwhal]

and yeah I love the differences between the primarch blood effects

some are 'you're removed from the game', some are 'you're fine, actually', sometimes the worse your blood is the better (sanguinius)

some have bonuses for high blood, some don't (corax).

also love the way the personalities are represented as like. inversions of qualities seen as positive for astartes, 'space marines know no fear' etc

[vital barn]

much as I like the Primarch stuff in Oath, I think I'd rather be playing WANG for the minute even if I did have a spess marine

duct taping the former to the latter would probably be doable, honestly

very few of the blood effects require a lot of mechanics

[floral herald]

W&G is I think better if you don’t want to do a lot with space marine psychology

[pale narwhal]

I kinda dig the combat system even if it's 'roll dice kill things be space mariney' and an engine for those character moments

it feels really solid, idk

[floral herald]

I need to play it to see how the combat feels

[untold swallow]

I love examining the space marine psyche

[broken dew]

was this a reference to something btw

[vital barn]

please. they would be banned for being swords long before they would be banned for being bigoted

[broken dew]

this is true

[west zealot]

Black Templar players are notorious, and not in good ways.

[broken dew]

ahhhh

that

tracks

really

[west zealot]

It's a faction that attracts a lot of chuddy/bad elements etc

At least, that's what i've gathered

[broken dew]

Black Templars being the unwilling god emperors most bigoted soldiers

[west zealot]

Also even if you get past that bit, in universe they're still The Most Racist Faction.

[broken dew]

nobody else except maybe SoB gets close to their pure fucking hatred of anything that isn't a bog standard human

[west zealot]

Speaking of spacemarine psychology, they'res a very good bit in Harrowmaster where Solomon completely dunks on the rest of the Alpha Legion by pointing out how utterly beat the imperium has them on Lying. Que every single Alpha Legionnare getting upset, until he lays it out and they'rel ike well shit

[broken dew]

lmao

get fucked

[desert jay]

The convo actually does have me wondering how well it could do various other Imperials if you made a new Duty and Blood. A Tech-Priest or Guardsman is probably right out, but an Inquisitor? Or a Sororitas?

[untold swallow]

I saw that it's so good

[vital barn]

the 40k AL are kind of a faillegion compared to the 30k boys

the 30k AL are terrors

[untold swallow]

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

[west zealot]

If Mike Brooks keeps getting to develop Solomon and his Ghost Legion, that'll change

[desert jay]

Would probably still fall apart in a 0% SM party, but a 50% or 75% one might hold together

[untold swallow]

I literally just laughed out loud

thanks penguin

[desert jay]

And really, said hypothetical Inquisitor playbook might be a limit 1 and deal with how you hang out around and manage yourself around a bunch of maladjusted supersoldiers

[untold swallow]

sees that the ammunition in a gun is displayed as the number of attack dice in a a magazine

nuts from the good game design

[vital barn]

apparently they've kept hold of Lernaeans and Headhunters despite completely losing any semblance of a remotely coherent organisation or purpose

which is an impressive gap in coherence

Lerns remain my favourite unique terminator unit

[west zealot]

‘We cannot defeat the Imperium with lies, because they can lie better than we can.’
That sparked outrage. Solomon might have laughed, had he not been concerned about keeping the attention that he had so carefully captured, but there was something grimly amusing about seeing transhuman warriors who could slay a score of mortals within the space of a couple of breaths angry at having their capacity for untruths maligned. It was a symptom of the greater problem.
‘The Imperium is built on lies!’ he told them. ‘It breathes lies every day! To fight the Imperium with lies is like trying to drown a flood. They abhor change, but now they bring forth new warriors in new armour, and bearing new weapons. They rip up their own laws on how Chapters should be structured. Roboute Guilliman, the son of the Emperor and the brother of our primarchs, accepts the worship of those who think his father is a god. The very identity of the Imperium, for one hundred centuries, has been built on a dichotomy – that its enemies are weak and worthless, and so its primacy through strength is righteous, but that its enemies are also powerful, and subversive, and could bring ruin upon them at any moment, and so anything less than complete obedience is punishable by death for the good of all. How can our lies touch such utter hypocrisy, when our enemies are steeped in it from birth?

I do like that he lays out the fact the imperium is facist is why they're winning on the whole lying things.

[untold swallow]

HE LITERALLY

Okay I need to read this book

I need to

[west zealot]

It';s very good

[untold swallow]

'the identity of the imperium is built on a dichotomy'

[vital barn]

a) good speech, well written
b) author, get down from the polisci degree soapbox

[west zealot]

Solomon is a lot of fun, and he's very, very comptent without it being dumb

[untold swallow]

'that its enemies are weak and worthless, yet powerful and subversive'

[vital barn]

to be fair the Alphas in Legion were also discussing very similar stuff even before the Cabal showed up

[west zealot]

and his best friend/companion is a former Imperial primaris psyker who now works for the ruinious powers

but isn't a chaos loony

just a very grumpy psyker grandmother

[vital barn]

the Ultramarine hat is that they discuss economics, the Alpha Legion hat is that they discuss politics

[west zealot]

(and in one of the short stories, or possibly in the main b ook, ti's all but explcit she defected because her home world got exterminatused rather than the iemrpium being bothered to deal with Genestealers)

[west zealot]

Nah, Brooks's soapbox is good

he genuinely does a lot of good stuff with the setting

Like he has some fun stuff with Drukhair in Da Big Dakka, where a: It's metnioned that drukahri are in no way born like that, they're basically traumisted into being monsters by their parents, which is wonderfully grimdark. And another mention of them having very rigid gender rules... that ofc they're not going to let biology get in the way of that. You wanna be Grand Succubus? Just fucking transtion, what's the big deal.

[untold swallow]

God demeanour is such a fucking good mechanic in this

sorry I'm still reading Oath

Those watching have decided I will know nothing more. However long I live, I will never know this decision was made, and will go to my grave believing I understand all there is to know. @strong owl As a 1st Legion Enjoyer, thank you, this is great

[marsh tree]

OMG I LOVE THIS

[vital barn]

I am feeling grumpy and uncharitable in general today so it is possible I will like it a lot more tomorrow, but it feels slightly like a monologue written to win an internet forum argument, despite being a good thing for the AL to be talking about in-universe

[untold swallow]

I am admittedly a former debate team member and am partially applauding this speech because it would kill it at a tourney

[vital barn]

possibly because the structure resembles Baby's First Discussion Of Fascist Propaganda so incredibly closely

I have read that post about six times and written it at least once

and as such it reads like a college debate team rather than a posthuman warlord/social engineer

polisci The Last Church

[untold swallow]

When a secret I’ve uncovered is a danger, my blood demands I warn others, even at my own peril.

God all the Primarch stuff is written so well

[vital barn]

I do like the Blood stuff

I am tempted to write a quick 5 minute Oath -> WANG adapter for just that bit so we can use it, it wouldn't be hard

although the Iron Hands one is relatively relaxed so it might not come up much

[untold swallow]

Primaris Marines, by WanG's rules, would actually be immune/highly resistant to the Blood stuff, which would kinda suck

[vital barn]

easily fixed

[untold swallow]

They explicitly ignore Gene-seed impurities

[vital barn]

but that is what happens when you write Space Marines Without The Fun Parts, yes

[untold swallow]

l m a o

fucking

'Disco Infernus'

[floral herald]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-space-marine-gif-7333858977574556605

[untold swallow]

Huh, no force weapons

in Oath that is

unless I'm missing something

[jaunty dawn]

There is

And relic force guns for not!thousandsons

[untold swallow]

Where are the force weapons? There not in the melee table

...psychic equipment

I'm smart

[jaunty dawn]

Haha

There you go

[vital barn]

I admit I warmed up to Primaris Marines after reading the (mediocre) BL book where the Space Wolves bullied the fuck out of the first Primaris Marine to show up at Fenris because he was a huge awooaboo

[floral herald]

I like how they kinda reflect end-of-heresy era planning and equipment some

I think some of the stuff like improved Loooong bolters is kinda silly still

[vital barn]

I still think they look dumb as hell and they should use less shiny futuristic gear

but if you put them in normal Marine equipment and don't write all the fluff about them as shameless adcopy for the new PRIMARIS (TM) ADJECTIVE NOUNVERBERS (TM)

they work all right

[floral herald]

Now that the equipment and armor is more mixed and such it doesn't bug me as much

I thought they were kinda homogenous on launch

[vital barn]

I still think they look pretty bad

the best of them are the new Victrix Guard and Bladeguard, and even those are pretty ornamentation on a tacky-looking suit

[floral herald]

I like the new Sternguard

[past sphinx]

top mounted drum combiweapon that makes the sight unusable is PEAK

[desert jay]

Offset sights are lost technology

[brittle salmon]

RIP canted sights

[past sphinx]

i really like a lot of the primaris combi designs

shame combi weapons are terrible

[vital barn]

yeah those guys aren't bad

Reivers and anything in Gravis is just abominable, as are 90% of the vehicles (not you Impulsor, you can stay)

but they seem to have gotten better at making them look like Marines

[finite compass]

Gravis is...Alright, I guess

Standard Mark X is just bland

Phobos is 'what the tacticool power rangers fuck is this?'

[finite compass]

I was gonna say that the little protrusion above the barrel is supposed to be an Auto-Sense link

But it doesn't have that either

[vital barn]

the later gravis stuff is on the bad side of all right, but the flying dudes look dreadful

[jaunty dawn]

Where we’re going we dont need aiming

[past sphinx]

ACCURACY THROUGH VOLUME BATTle SISTER

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

[finite compass]

DAT'Z FINKIN' WIF DAKKA, BOYZ

[jaunty dawn]

The blood angel’s slight frown is kinda funny

Hes like :( I have to plasma you :(

[valid brook]

Primaris Opinion (™️): I came back to 40k after a ten-year break and honestly I still think it’s cool that James W. finally makes the « truescale » space marines that we used to spend so much time & energy converting

[floral herald]

he's thinking about that hazardous

[finite compass]

I like having truescale marines

And honestly if they fluffed like

[valid brook]

The fellas should be big imho

[jaunty dawn]

Primaris skipped over truescale

[finite compass]

"Bobby G is back and they have a bunch of new armor" that'd be cool

But instead it's "Now we have SUPER space marines, which are like this thing you love that's been iconic of the franchise for decades, but are just better."

[jaunty dawn]

They were like bigger marines and they made deathwatch and everyone is like oooh yeee so then they flip the dial all the way past eleven and its all like :O

[vital barn]

honestly I would personally prefer "new marines, old gear"

[finite compass]

Same

As somebody else put it

[valid brook]

Granted a lot of the new stuff looks like straight garbo and every single Proper Noun is stupid but

[vital barn]

because then Cawl is "Belisarius Cawl, Arch-Biologis" and you can still do all the culture-clash things with the Blood Angels and the Space Wolves

[finite compass]

"With just a few sentences, really just a few exclamation marks, they've turned something beloved and iconic into the smaller, less impressive version of itself."

[vital barn]

but they don't look dumb as hell

[jaunty dawn]

this is because primaris have to be really big so they can be stormcast in 40k

[valid brook]

I like em Big

[finite compass]

Also

complete aesthetic complaint but

[vital barn]

also cawl being the best at every science simultaneously is stupid and I prefer it if he's just incredible at genetics

[finite compass]

WHY DO THEY HAVE FUCKING RAILS ON THE BOLTERS

JFC

IT LOOKS SO BAD

[jaunty dawn]

They are really satisfying n big but modern csm and hh minis are closer to truescale

[vital barn]

the new HH MK3 look great

big fan of that sculpt

sadly less options than the old kit, but that's an easy fix

[floral herald]

I don't mind the bolter rails

[jaunty dawn]

Its just a greeble

[valid brook]

SOPMOD Block 1 and its consequences et c et c

[jaunty dawn]

Its there for the same purpose as the old greeble

[past sphinx]

they nail it! except those helmets blech

[valid brook]

It will make them look extremely « late twenty teens » in about ten more years

[past sphinx]

wheres the greathelms gw!

[jaunty dawn]

I like the mk2 assault marines

Theyre cool

[past sphinx]

the giant turbines are mint

[finite compass]

The problem is it's a greeble that makes them look very...

Call of Duty

[jaunty dawn]

Strictly speaking the storm bolters had the ‘rail’ greeble like 20 years before primaris became a thing ftr

[finite compass]

That actually looked better

also asspul lore excuse but

But yes, a lot of my distaste is still like

The whole theme of the setting being technological stagnation

[jaunty dawn]

It compensates the blast

[finite compass]

And all the technology that was common thousands of years ago are now relics, held in reverence and superstition

[floral herald]

I think it's actually important to space marines having some degree of relevance as a political thing

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah dark imperium is definitely a different setting

[finite compass]

And all 'new' technology is either ad-hoc modifications or rediscovered old tech

And then it's just

[floral herald]

Like the original boltgun is kinda a blocked up Welgun and kinda looks like a chunky sci-fi version of the submachines british special forces were using at the time

So I think it makes sense that an aesthetic update would take it's cues from modern militarized police and tier 1 operatooors and such

[finite compass]

"Nope. Heretofore-unmentioned Tech Priest was making super-sekrit technology for his super-sekrit super-space marines so now everybody has hovertanks"

[vital barn]

also if Cawl was merely an incredible biologist who had made Marines 2 and wasn't on eighty kinds of tech-heresy, you could do an actual plot of Space Marines being concerned about their new recruits potentially owing loyalty to the Mechanicus or something, which is good for the culture-clash stories that Primaris are good at telling

but instead he's his own super special thing who doesn't deal with the wider admech except to show up occasionally and flex on them

[jaunty dawn]

I feel like relatively speaking the hover tanks are less weird considering theyre just like 5 land speeders strapped together

Of the new things that is

[past sphinx]

i just wish it didnt look like a bradley

[vital barn]

this is true but also they look like shit, which is more my problem

[pastel rampart]

The hover tanks just don't really look good (and don't let you do sick donuts in the dirt like a rhino can).

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah theyre really awkward

Especially the first bunch

[vital barn]

the Impulsor is all right, I think, but the rest look bad as hell

the new Land Speeders are almost right and then the front is just cube

[floral herald]

yeah I don't like the "Cawl Gear" but I think the front half is ok

[finite compass]

The new attack buggies

Whatever they're called

Those are crap

Also even though I kind of like this design

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc_Uwlz50Y8

[jaunty dawn]

I always forget about the storm speeders cause they came out at a time i wasnt paying attention

Idk why cawl is so obsessed with heavy stubbers too

[floral herald]

I kinda dig em

[jaunty dawn]

The mechanicus use heavy stubbers but they have super special ones

[finite compass]

At least they walked back the whole "And also Primaris are immune to chapter-specific gene flaws like the Black Rage or Wulfen, because Cawl is just that good"

[floral herald]

I think it shows how despite everything the imperium's technological decay means that previously elite formations have to use basic ass guns now

[vital barn]

the mechanicus also use heavy stubbers because they're cheap as shit and they can just slather them all over their vehicles without worrying about lots of different kinds of secondary ammo

[finite compass]

In the grim darkness of the far future...There is still, somehow, the fucking Browning

[vital barn]

the Guard is still rocking heavy bolters on everything, though

[finite compass]

Unless you're playing Krieg

[vital barn]

and it really doesn't show if everything else is way more advanced than the generic version, it just looks odd

[pale narwhal]

they also have cognis stubbers which are like. a bit special

[vital barn]

cognis stubbers just aim good, they have cognis everything else too

[jaunty dawn]

It would help if heavy stubbers werent just like. Better boltguns. Worse than heavy bolters ofc but like

[finite compass]

IDK if these are still a thing though

[jaunty dawn]

Like just in terms of how silly the decision to make the boltgun just a default gun was back in t’day

I think the new krieg gunner set has autocannons yeah

[finite compass]

Wait NM it is still a thing

Those are heavy stubbers

Or at least the first linked one is

[vital barn]

hilariously there's a Blackshields army rule you can pick in 30k that forces you to swap out all your bolters for autoguns/shotguns/heavy stubbers and it's a giant upgrade

[jaunty dawn]

Wild

I did not realise that

[finite compass]

And speaking of tinnitus

[finite compass]

The Renegade Stubber Team

[vital barn]

so all your bolter boys now have shotguns, which are better at any range under 12", and one in 3 has a heavy stubber, which makes up for almost all the lost firepower at range, has way more up close and is also Assault and Suppressive

[jaunty dawn]

This guy kinda makes them look like chumps

[sour sequoia]

Not only is it still a thing, it’s what is mounted on my goliath trucks as heavy weaponry

[jaunty dawn]

Or this lady

[vital barn]

also because a lot of squads have bolt pistols, you can actually put shotguns and heavy stubbers on despoiler melee squads

[finite compass]

Now I'm just remembering that Harker isn't in the codex anymore and got sad

[vital barn]

the guys who are normally chainsword + BP

heavy stubber and chainsword world eater, go

one-handing that thing like he's Ash Evildead

[finite compass]

Who has canonically 1v1'd a Ravener bare-handed

Because Catachans are just built different

[jaunty dawn]

Thats more impressive now that raveners look cooler, too

[brittle salmon]

They took Straken out too, the bastards

[vital barn]

you can also do an entire tactical squad wielding two autoguns each, which is hilarious

[sour sequoia]

I wonder if I could find a decent harker STL and use as my neophyte heavy gunners 🤔

[vital barn]

not good, because it doesn't work with Fury of the Legion, but hilarious

[jaunty dawn]

Catachan refresh is long overdue

Omg

What if they replace harker with his daughter like creed

[brittle salmon]

good old Iron Hand "Strength 6 as a Guardsman" Straken

[jaunty dawn]

And marbo with his daughter

And- I think thats all the catachan characters but rule of threes

[vital barn]

valid blackshields army if you take Weapons of Desparation + The Flesh Is Weak

[brittle salmon]

skeleman

[jaunty dawn]

Technically I think sly marbo already has a modern sculpt

[pale narwhal]

he does yeah

iirc

[finite compass]

The one that isn't the TTS character

Even though that one is iconic

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-wh40k-sly-marbo-aaaaaa-alfabusa-gif-14316691

[jaunty dawn]

Wait what

Why is he resin

[finite compass]

He's Resin?

[vital barn]

hmm, I think not being able to Volley means TFIW and WOD don't combo amazingly into 15-man robot despoiler squads shooting and charging out of rhinos

so close to greatness

[jaunty dawn]

Thats what the description says

[finite compass]

was lucky enough to actually pick up this one

I'm still bummed I never got the Totally Not Carl Weathers one

[jaunty dawn]

So many catachan minis that are recent yet out of range

Sly marbo mustve been like one of the last finecast minis

[finite compass]

The first and only finecast minis I ever got was a box of DEldar Mandrakes

ONE of them ended up useable

[uneven ember]

"so-ro-ri-tas girls, we're unforgettable"

[thin ibex]

Hmm someone got me with a thematic list idea, I'll see what I can manage with a 2k point army in 40k

[untold swallow]

are you requesting someone give you a list idea, or saying someone has?

also I feel called out

[thin ibex]

requesting xD sry was unclear

looking to do theme lists rather than mechanically great lists

[untold swallow]

ur good lol

hmmmm

I am honestly rather uninspired with a lot of my list ideas <XD

Or I make factions that

Can't have lists

Cuz they're an ynnari warband led by Not Yvraine or Yncarne

[vital barn]

all mechanised admech, it either needs to fly, be a vehicle or be in a vehicle at deployment

I see very little transport action in most 10e lists I casually glance at, although maybe I'm looking at the wrong factions

and I am used to 7e and HH lists that often run all-mounted

[untold swallow]

Okay I am still reading Oath of Moment and

I mean this as a compliment

These pieces of Chapter gear are fucking stupid lol

In the best way

Wildfire Sear is

I cannot believe White Scars have glocks with the switch

[thin ibex]

I know fliers aren't popular, but they're cool

[vital barn]

horses are not vehicles, but I forgot you could put people in the choppers, tha't's very fun

the choppers have been genuinely awful since they were introduced as far as I know

[thin ibex]

Yeah they've been both super cool and varying degrees of bad

They used to have a paragraph of text for their transport ability

[vital barn]

I was momentarily tempted to do airmobile vietnam beep boops but they're not pretty enough to make me suffer that and their insane real money cost

yeah, basically everything did in 8th/9th due to no generic rules for transports, which was just an incredible brain off decision

[thin ibex]

I love the quad stubbers on the flyers and the dragonfly look but id not buy them irl lol

Do still like the idea of chopper bound vanguards

[vital barn]

the winged Skittles look really goofy to me

the choppers are OK but I'd still prefer them to look a tiny bit less da vinci

[jaunty dawn]

The transvector had a billion text because they wanted to give them a 6 person capacity

[vital barn]

compare the HH Vulturax, which IMO is peak admech flyer

[jaunty dawn]

So they had a rule for transporting a squad over two planes

[vital barn]

space marine not included

[jaunty dawn]

I really like the admech flier tho honestly

[vital barn]

but if the choppers had big engine pods instead of wings I'd like them a lot more

[jaunty dawn]

Had one unbuilt for years though

Or half built

[vital barn]

the body and the cool little landing legs are fun, I just do not like the silly-looking wings

[thin ibex]

I really want more electro stuff so I can build a truly electric dedicated list

[vital barn]

both the hovercraft look amazing if you put them on six dunecrawler legs

they really should have stuck with that pattern for ground vehicles

[jaunty dawn]

Id rather have an actual bigcrawler I think

[vital barn]

that would also be nice

but in genreal first wave skittles: pretty great, second wave skittles: what are you doing, designers

[jaunty dawn]

The onager is probably my fav part of the range

[vital barn]

like 80% of the way to good models

pteraxii actually look decent if you literally just remove the wings and leave the Thallax-style jump turbines and struts, some janky posing aside

[thin ibex]

I'm actually a big fan of the silly wings, think that's just a taste difference though

[vital barn]

tremendous waste of a chance for an actual ornithopter

[thin ibex]

Onager is my favorite 40k admech model though

[vital barn]

the choppers aren't terrible-looking, I might field some if they were not genuinely awful every edition

[thin ibex]

I don't know their name but my favorite 30k one is that big mech with a shoulder cannon

[vital barn]

Thanatar

yes, that one's very popular

personally I prefer the Calix variant, the lascannon and graviton hammer are better-proportioned, but they're both nice

[thin ibex]

Just beefy looking dudes with like a hint of art deco

[vital barn]

30k mech is universally gorgeous

[thin ibex]

Really vibing like mecha golden age kinda

[vital barn]

I guess I could use Thallax as Pteraxii, same base size, but they don't come with flying bases so it would be a bit off for LOS

and they're very bulky for T4 4+ W2

[thin ibex]

Vibes wise I do absolutely love electro priests but models aren't super varied or anything

[vital barn]

they've never really had enough variety to be an army by themselves and they look a bit out of place next to the rest of the Admech

cool in small groups though, my Wrath and Glory character has Fulgurite sympathies, a masterwork electroleech staff and no eyes

[thin ibex]

Would be a great kill team

Get some unique electro individual units

[vital barn]

also lorewise they fight great together but generally refuse to do so because of the schism

which is very funny but not conducive to good kill teaming

[thin ibex]

Of the different priest type? Didn't know that

Neat detail

[vital barn]

some of them believe the motive force is infinite and should be brought to the unenlightened by firing force lightning at them, some of them believe it's finite and should be taken from the unbelievers and used for the benefit of the forge by beating them with electroleech staves

when they fight together you get a circuit of enemies being lit up and then sucked dry to refuel all the priests

sadly Fulgurites no longer give their squishy squishy bodies a 3+ invuln after wiping a squad

[thin ibex]

Huh so there are times where they fight together but never a first or second choice for them?

[vital barn]

They have very little lore beyond their codex fluff, and that was almost entirely in 7e, but they've fought many wars against each other and also had a formation where you brought both and they powered each other up.

Presumably they do fight together regularly but I would assume there's a catholic/protestant thing going on where it barely matters in some armies and others are organised implicitly or explicitly on sectarian lines

I would imagine large parts of the Admech don't bother to have a position on their particular doctrinal split since they're barely ever mentioned, this is two very particular orders of monks arguing except on a galactic scale

[broken dew]

Nah but they fixed the black rage problem in the cursed founding with the Lamenter's already

[untold swallow]

man I'm rly tempted to run Oaths after the WanG game I'm running is complete

which won't be for a while yet of course

[thin ibex]

Oh is it a completely different game?

[untold swallow]

Ye

It's a completely different game made to play space marines

Meant to delve into how a character handles the competing psychological impacts of their specialty, chapter, primarch, and personality

There are actions each separate aspect demand you take

and each aspect is associated with a certain stat

and if you don't take that action, that stat decreases

and your character must grapple with that

and the fact these demands can easily be fundamentally opposed

(these stats are all roleplay based, the game is not concerned with gimping your combat abilities, only nudging you towards certain doctrines based on your specialty, primarch, etc)

[mild glen]

Man, the Oath of Moment Zero Blood for Vulkan is great

[untold swallow]

I like how 0 Blood can be bad for the character and great for the player, bad for the player and great for the character, or just

Bad

God I know Oath technically falls under Warhammer but I want a separate thread

[hollow laurel]

Do you get to do downtime actions during this?

Saalaksin [They/Them] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161696278640594954 message) Man, the Oath of Moment Zero Blood for Vulkan is great 📎

[untold swallow]

That's not downtime

That is mechanically a character death

XD

Oath is great

[sweet solar]

its got a lot of talk in tabletop general too

[pale narwhal]

idk if it's character death or character like, out of action for a few missions ingame

there's several ways to interpret that

[untold swallow]

Contextually, most 'Blood reaches 0' blurbs are functionally character death

the space wolf one, the blood angels one, success is measured in blood is one, the raven guard one, etc

[pale narwhal]

depends, I think

but yeah some are

off the top of my head the Iron Hands one and sanguinius aren't (sanguinius is you get consumed by the black rage at ten instead)

[untold swallow]

the iron hands love having no blood, and having steel instead

which is great

[pine matrix]

Getting 0 Steel just being "you tell yourself you are at peace" is just

[untold swallow]

0 Blood but yes

[pale narwhal]

Khan isn't death, Guilliman isn't death, Manus isn't yeah

In Courage We Have No Equals isn't death either

I like that there's a mix of some bloodlines really caring about blood and others being 'if it's above zero (or not at ten) it's fine'

[untold swallow]

I also like that the main way weapon ability is modulated is advancements and access/costs

like a base level tactical and base level librarian are going to be the same skill at using bolters

but the tactical has advances that affect bolters beyond attacks and access to wider varieties of bolters

[pale narwhal]

yep

it's really nice, nobody is bad at any part of combat baseline. Just each specialisation has its niche and does it well (and then tactical is second-best at everything but likes bolters a lot)

[untold swallow]

(part of me is slightly annoyed that Smite is listed under the Pyromancy advance even tho Smite is a basic, universal psychic ability and not pyromancy but I am a giant fucking nerd)

but yeah one of my character ideas is a [Knowledge is Power, Hide it Well] librarian with a plasma pistol and the Æther-Fire gear for a plasma pistol

[pale narwhal]

I've already (re)made my first ever Deathwatch marine using it

carcharodon assault marine with the Quiet demeanour

almost certainly always using a chainaxe and bolt pistol (if/when primaris happens, an absolver bolt pistol)

maaaybe lightning claws at some point depending on mission

[untold swallow]

lol

also wait, Quiet?

Oh, the Deathwatch demeanour

or wait, no

the personality

[pale narwhal]

yep

[untold swallow]

Huh, the personality isn't linked to anything else

Or I can't feckin read

I can't feckin read

[pale narwhal]

it's fun to remake my boi but also it doesn't contradict all that much so probably wouldn't be what I'd play

[untold swallow]

I mean

a quiet carcharadon actually probably contradicts quite nicely

'My conscience tests me when I must bring war to a place it has not yet reached.'

That's like

The Carcs' whole thing

[pale narwhal]

that's true actually

(often they do respond in places where war is, but esp as deathwatch that can change)

[untold swallow]

lol ye

[broken dew]

Still need to sit down and figure out which one would be funniest for my lads

[untold swallow]

Cold Chapter Hopeful Personality

[little bay]

"YOU DO NOT SEE TYBEROS THE RED WAKE"

[pale narwhal]

Hateful chapter Curious personality

I have a tyberos model (3d print not original) that I’m going to paint as a pseudo-display piece probably

He’s a funky guy, love my boi

[broken dew]

Definitely Cold, that is certainly part of the chapter spirit

Yeah Hopeful seems to fit well too

Since the Dusk Defiant are scavengers, repairmen and to an extent logisticians i think they'd generally be more tolerant of the people they protect

And especially so of anyone fighting beside them

[brittle salmon]

arent these the same people that kill psykers for breathing near them

[broken dew]

Yes

I never said they were nice or good to fight with, they're just not as awful for people that aren't psykers

Psykers being the main caveat because they shoot first and ask questions never regarding psykers if they can help it

Lmao

[brittle salmon]

mmk

[broken dew]

The Dusk Defiants KoS level of hate is targeted very decisively on psykers and warp shit

Thought it'd be kinda fun if they were actually kinda good about their emperor given mission to protect humanity until warp stuff gets involved and then they go full unfiltered religious zealot mode and start burning everything in sight with holy flames

Suffer not the witch to live and all that

Oh cool there is actually scanning tools used to find psychic stuff

Prolly good to invest in if you have no psykers

[west zealot]

@untold swallow from a different M.Brooks novel, an Ork war boss dismantling the drukhari psyche

'You are savages!’ she hissed. ‘Do you even know why you fight?’
‘Yeah,’ ­Ufthak said. ‘Do ya know why yoo do?’
Dhaemira frowned. ‘What?’
‘Orks always fight,’ the massive creature rumbled. ‘Always ’ave. It’s wot we woz made for, but it ain’t just dat. It’s wot da gods want, but it ain’t just dat. See, da more we fight, da bigger we get.’ It tapped itself on the chest with one massive finger. ‘Da bigger we get, da smarter we get.’ It tapped itself on the side of the head. ‘An’ da smarter we get, da better we get at fightin’. If we don’t fight, we get slow an’ stoopid, an’ den we might forget about da gods. We might forget about tellyportas, an’ Gargants, an’ boomdakka snazzwagons–’
‘You’re just making words up now!’ Dhaemira broke in angrily, then took a step back as the ork lashed out with a punch. It passed between the bars and struck the force field, which held with a crackling boom of energy, but the thing’s arms were long enough that it would have reached her had that protection not been there.
‘I woz talkin’,’ the ork growled, and the hairs on the back of Dhaemira’s neck stood up as the subsonic harmonics of the creature’s voice shivered through her bones.
‘I’ve seen yoo lot fight,’ ­Ufthak continued. ‘Dunno why ya do it. Ya don’t enjoy it.’
‘We do!’ Dhaemira snapped, but the ork waved her words away.
‘Nah. Yoo enjoy killin’. Yoo enjoy showin’ off, provin’ dat yoo’re better’n da uvver gits an’ makin’ sure dey realise it, but ya don’t enjoy fightin’. How’re ya gonna enjoy fightin’ when ya can’t take a punch?’ It held up one arm. ‘One of yer mates cut dis hand off once – I had to get a new one off some git wot probably didn’t deserve to ’ave two of his own. An’ dere was one time before dat when me whole body got blown out from under me head, dat woz a good laugh.

[broken dew]

i love the Drukhari getting pissed off by Ork names

also the Ork being fuck off nonchalant about horrific injuries

"my entire body got obliterated and i was just a head, good times"

Ork names my beloved

Boomdakka Snazzwagon

[floral herald]

With a couple of big tournaments done and KT Meta is shaping up

https://www.pretentiousplasticops.com/stats/rankings

Curious how the balance dataslate going live will shift stuff around

There’s nerfs to pretty much every top team except chaos cult

[vital barn]

wow, Battleclade not having a good time

[rocky shale]

https://www.reddit.com/r/deathwatch40k/s/p7hTDfuali

Good news: agents gets to keep the deathwatch veterans datasheet

Bad news: these guys kinda suck and the DW veterans arent for sale anymore

[floral herald]

Yeah this datasheet is kinda booty

[floral herald]

They’re in a weird spot

They’re getting a lot of play in comp

Unlike some other weaker teams

So my guess is they just have a bad MU into someone popular and strong

(Most likely Canoptek)

Ouch it’s bad matchups into several Mets teams

They might just be too low firepower rn

They’re also ime kinda awkward to play on tomb world

[rocky shale]

Worse melee than the vets and a very similar rule for more points is rough

[floral herald]

Yeah

I don’t play Deathwatch in bighammer so it doesn’t really effect me but why

[hollow laurel]

I also see that Krieg is er. Very bad. :<

[floral herald]

For tournaments yeah

It’s a pretty different and much more more brutal meta

There’s like 10 really scary tournament teams and everyone else looks like butt

Which is to say Krieg are fine unless you wanna win LVO

[valid brook]

hell yeah Kasrkin coming in dead last

Poor sample size but that does align with the vibe check rn

[sour sequoia]

Cyan. Cyan how are mandrakes

Have my reps paid off

[rocky shale]

@floral herald btw how are Novitates? My gf wants to learn kill team with me and she loves sisters but the newer kill team won't be out until mid next year

From what I can see they aren't great

[floral herald]

They’re solid

Relatively strong, multiple viable setups (which I always enjoy), good wincons and tricks

[floral herald]

They’re weird asf but doing ok

AIUI they mostly win on operator experience and doing fucked up things with portals

[floral herald]

Thankfully they’ve got big buffs coming

[tepid stratus]

This is a big point. Weapons suck outside of 4 models and unlike other teams they don't have the body count to make up for it

[rocky shale]

The whip lady + repentia = 4 fights seems very fun

They have to survive those fights but still

[jaunty dawn]

Its really difficult to do it but jf you pull it off

[sour sequoia]

Bighammer rules for the canopteks and new deathwatch dropped

Lookin pretty nice

Geomancer gives 12” deepstrike denial while on objectives, 18” point and -2 move & charge

crawlers are now a cryptothrall alternative that give ignore mods

Macrocytes tag enemies within 3 with -1 to hit rolls and can give nearby canopteks +1 WS

[jaunty dawn]

Sounds like they put a lot more thought into that than the deathwatch haha

[sour sequoia]

I gotta imagine its cuz deathwatch KTs were already playable lmao

Necrons going 2 for 2 on unplayable KTs especially one with brand new canopteks and crypteks would blow chunks

[pine matrix]

I need to read these books, he's cooking her right there

And he's right, if the Dark Eldar hate fighting, which is why they're the dirtiest cowards in the universe (affectionate)

[west zealot]

They're immensely good.

There's a good bit in Brutal Kunnin' of an Adeptus Mechanicus mocking the Ork's divisions and infighting... And without skipping a beat, reflecting how they will only take Fulgrites on this mission with them, since the having the other electroptiest cult would cause... Issues

Just totally blind to the hypocrisy

[vital barn]

the orks do have the significant advantage of being the least hypocritical faction in warhammer

since they will state their motives very directly to anyone who bothers asking and move in very straight lines

[broken dew]

The Orks do have a very straightforward and uncomplicated nature

[vital barn]

someday the Mechanicus will get to own someone in the marketplace of ideas but it hasn't happened yet

comes from the surfeit of idiot techpriest secondary characters

Cawl has some decent lines, but he barely counts

[broken dew]

Cawl is barely Admech as it is with all the tech heresy shit he keeps doing

[tired cairn]

Hadron has some pretty good burns

[junior summit]

fwiw its less horrifying if they're consistently survivable and you can frankenstein orks together with pretty consistent success

plus they're highly resistant to pain

[paper bluff]

Not fighting? Get fighting or get making something for fighting

[paper bluff]

It's only tech heresy if you can't talk your way out of getting in trouble for it

[broken dew]

true

well to us it's horrific injuries

Orks you can cut their heads off and sew them onto a completely different body and they can just be fine so i guess to them it's not a problem

[broken dew]

apparently so

side-eyes the Cawl-Inferior

[rocky shale]

Yeah this new one is only slightly better at shooting and massively worse in melee

[sour sequoia]

I also sort of suspect its a partial refresh for em, the older teams may well be gone next ed

[rocky shale]

Oh yeah almost definitely since they're firstborn

[tired cairn]

I think that's still considered pretty traumatic on the orks part (though that might mostly be for the reasons that their doctors are called "painboys"). But otherwise true

[uneven ember]

"de-kappy-tashun is fatal if ain't treated, so 'old still"

[broken dew]

true but the trauma levels for say humans in regards to decapitation is uh

fatal

Orks seem to be able to just kinda shrug it off

mind you with medical help, but still

[thin ibex]

its cause orks are big mushrooms

[broken dew]

this is very true

[spice flicker]

Thoughts on the guard's Taurox dedicated transport?

[thin ibex]

i like it, good for if you wanna get somewhere fast, really stupid aesthetic with side mounted guns

taurox prime is way cooler in that regard

[mild glen]

Played against Knights today
I brought Tau, 1,000 point game, even if Opp was well over budget with 3 Questoris (and he's new! I wasn't willing to be mean!)
Opp picked the AdMech soup detachment. But brought no AdMech

The T'au'va deleted one knight per round.
I kinda feel bad about it.

[thin ibex]

chimera is hte better all rounded transport, but the taurox is great for getting boots on a position asap

also, weirdly, the taurox has bigger guns

[spice flicker]

Thoughts on this then for a crusade starting at 750 pts?

[hollow laurel]

Exterminator is the Plasma Russ, right?

[thin ibex]

nah twin autos

gives the +1 AP on whatever it shot as well

[hollow laurel]

Ooh. It's not my favourite Russ, but I mean, they'er autocannons.

I can't really complain about it, I don't think.

[thin ibex]

I like it, though you do lack some dedicated AT, effectively only your Sentinels and your russ's las; but you do have a high volume of general autocannons, and auto's plus 1 ap are dangerous

combo pieces nicely with the sentinel daring recon ability, lets it give reroll 1's to others iirc

I think this list is decently well rounded and you've got a lot of wounds on the table for 1k

maybe a little light on armor kiling, but plenty of tools

might also get torn up against a more dedicated melee enemy as your screeners are your scorers; but thats life in a 1k

the lascannons on the sentinels are a little hit or miss, since you kinda dont have rerolls, so its a coin flip on if you hit

[spice flicker]

I originally planned to use the lascannon scouts to try and snipe or injure vehicles early on. I originally had one squad of cadians and a taurox swapped for a tech priest and hydra.

[hollow laurel]

I think the standard Battle Cannon is bad this edition? Do you have access to the Annihilator pattern this edition?

[thin ibex]

might be better served with a plasma gun or auto; but with two thats statistically 1 las hit between both sentinels

Standard bc is not great by itself, but great on the standard leman russ cause its got rerolls for targets on objectives

good generalist weapon

not perfect into any one target

im a fan of the exerminator cause of the guaranteed shot count and twin linked

biggest eh is the 1 ap

[hollow laurel]

Like, my gut instinct if you wanna delete armour with the Russ is either an Annihilator, or my baby the Vanquisher.

[thin ibex]

anni isn't an option anymore

demo is tho as is vanq

[spice flicker]

For upgrading to 1000 points i was still planning to swap a taurox+squad for a 2nd pair of scout sentinels, a standard Leman Russ and either a tech priest with 50 points to spare or something else.

[thin ibex]

i think the exterminator is a good all rounder

[hollow laurel]

Vanquishers are hilarious when they hit.

[thin ibex]

trust me, as a tau main, i live that life with the hammerhead

[spice flicker]

Vanquisher feels way to swingy for my taste and rarely if ever see it hit anything.

[thin ibex]

better than a gambling addiction

[hollow laurel]

Mhm.

[thin ibex]

i wouldnt rec a vanq at 1k yeah

[spice flicker]

Exterminator has grown on me I'll admit.

[hollow laurel]

I also love the Punisher, but that's explicitly anti-infantry.

[thin ibex]

i generally wouldnt rec a vanq other than its cool and a bullet magnet cause it scares folks

[hollow laurel]

Like, there's nothing wrong with an Exterminator, those twin-linked ACs will chew up heavy infantry.

[thin ibex]

my generalist reqs are exterminator and standard leman; for AT the demolisher is generally the boss; for a true tanky tank, the eradicator is actually quite tough so long as you guarantee cover somehow.

the punisher is a chaff chewer

[hollow laurel]

Really, the Demolisher?

[thin ibex]

s14 gun with more than 1 shot and melta sponsons

[hollow laurel]

I mean I guess it makes sense. That would probably chew up just about anything.

It's basically an AVRE.

[thin ibex]

the long range tank killer is really more the rogal dorn

[hollow laurel]

Give me a double Demolisher Rogal Dorn, GW.

[thin ibex]

the rogal with the twin cannons is a big generalist

hey its got the baby demo as a hull option

[hollow laurel]

Oh yeah true.

But yeah, the Oppressor Cannon is good too. I'm too used to not having the Rogal though.

[marsh tree]

Do you like it?

[spice flicker]

Im trying to find a list I do like. I like how the exterminator and the scouts can buff up my units but agree that the 750 list is struggling with heavier armor and melee. Another faction i was considering for the crusade was the sisters of battle as well.

[main pagoda]

thats the executioner

[spice flicker]

This was the sisters list I was considering for a starting list.

[main pagoda]

v heavy on AT for 750pts

[spice flicker]

This was what I was considering aiming for when progressing up to 2000 pts for the sisters.

[rocky shale]

AP1 is just very rough this edition

It makes battle cannons underwhelming when cover just makes it straight to ap0

[spice flicker]

Should I go with the guard list or the sisters list and what adjustments might you suggest?

[main pagoda]

well your the one whos gonna be playing the list for a decent long time but both lists are decent

[spice flicker]

I tend to run into choice paralysis or "I simply can't decide" which is why I am scratching my head trying to decide and making multiple revisions left and right. This is also through tabletop simulator as well i guess I should note.

[spice flicker]

Figured id ask around her on thoughts about the lists and use that as well as the opinions of others to help make my final decision to lock in with.

[spice flicker]

If I was to ally in some knights should I do a pair of warglaives+helverin or a knight atrapos?

[thin ibex]

my personal thought process is that at 1k, you're not gonna safely cover all your bases, you can maneuver around armor with the tools you give youself

and you can use stratagems to equalize or buy time

[rocky shale]

In guard?

I wouldn't ally knights in guard

Sisters sometimes took a canis Rex for a big anti armor threat iirc

[thin ibex]

you get good, big armor as guard generally, a knight kinda offers you big melee mostly

though in crusade, a knight ally is still narratively fun and cool

[spice flicker]

Trying to plan ahead for both sisters and guard. Did look at agents a while back and did look at allying in knights for them back them. When I was considering allies I did laughed when the thought occurred to me about adding in a warhound for a late 3000 pts game.

[rocky shale]

Agents do benefit from knights because they have no heavy armor of their own

[spice flicker]

The difficulty with dealing with armor was why I drifted away from agents (though a small part of me still wants to see if I can make them work.) Below is the 750 pts list I made for them to consider starting with and adding in a pair of warglaives when advancing to 1000 pts.

[thin ibex]

dont get me wrong, dealing with armor can be important; but remember, ultimately you win on score and not kills; with terrain the way it is, you can often play various forms of keep away

and use delaying tactics and so on to win the day

[rocky shale]

There are no secondary VPs in crusade so it can be hard to win if you can't kill models

[spice flicker]

This was fhe 2000 pts idea I had for agents originally.

[rocky shale]

The vast majority of crusade games I've played end in a tabling or near-tabling

[spice flicker]

Poor custodes and guard players kept getting tabled by my chaos knights in the last crusade i was in.

[marsh tree]

My Kommandoz are mostly done!

[spice flicker]

Nice

[valid brook]

Found this handsome fella on the sprue while cleaning out my desk, no idea where he came from!

Build his ass today, lil monopose pseudo-snap-fit affair

[jaunty dawn]

Blackstone fortress?

[tepid stratus]

Yeah he's the one from blackstone

[valid brook]

I think so, but I’m not sure how I ended up with A Guy; I’ve never Blackstone Fortressed

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah

[valid brook]

Must have gotten him in an eBay lot at some point

[jaunty dawn]

Curious

[valid brook]

Anyway he’s neat! Chat I am in 40k danger again

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah hes really cool kroot are really cool

[valid brook]

Truly the lil guys of all time

You know what I did know that I have in there;

[floral herald]

Are the blackstone fortress models usually red?

[valid brook]

I’ve been carting this box around for Decades

[valid brook]

No idea, but it’s interesting stuff; it’s almost but not quite like the good ol grey ABS

[tepid stratus]

Most of the board game minis are coloured plastic

Blackstone I think was red for the heroes and teal or black for the enemies based on what expansion it was

[valid brook]

That snap-fit marine kill team from a couple years back was colored plastic, no?

The ones in like trading card boosters where you didn’t know which Large Lad you were gonna get

I guess ol James has been working on that Bandai type sauce for a minute now

[jaunty dawn]

Modern snap fit stuff is very impressive yeah

[tepid stratus]

It's a good way to get new players in

[paper bluff]

Did you see the statuette?That's going to come with the special edition of dark heresy?

[floral herald]

They are yeah

[valid brook]

Not me looking at how much they go for individually on eBay

[untold swallow]

Has anyone played Oath yet?

[floral herald]

Oh man one of my groups was just switching systems I could have suggested it

I don't think they would have gone for it

[strong owl]

if you check the document there's a little discord for it if you're looking for groups or wanna see when somebody plays

[untold swallow]

[west zealot]

Bandai's gunpla stuff is just crazy

[charred bridge]

Imagine a gunpla war game though, I know there's the Gundam war game but that uses its own guys iirc

[mental birch]

I wish

lol

[west zealot]

You take that evil back

‘But, I settled on da best option,’ Uzgul said. ‘Just like wiv da mountain, we get da planet to do da work for us!’
‘Do da work for ya?’ Gazruk asked. He should have held his tongue, but his natural mek curiosity propelled him onwards. ‘I fort yoo’d dug da hole into da mountain?’
‘Well, yeah, but digging down is easier’n building up, innit?’ Uzgul said. ‘Cos gravity, right? C’mon, yoo’re a mek. I fort you’d know dis stuff!’
‘But how’d dey get da rock dey’d dug back up out of… Ya know wot? Sorry, boss,’ Gazruk apologised, ducking his head. ‘Carry on.’
‘Y’know how planets’ve got dat hot rock in ’em?’ Uzgul said, leaning a bit closer in a conspiratorial manner. ‘Comes shootin’ right out? Dat’s wot we’re usin’! It’s genius!’
‘Genius,’ Gazruk said. At this point it was probably safer just to repeat words. ‘Yeah, I can see dat. Definitely.’
‘I’m callin’ it da Gun-cano,’ Uzgul said. ‘Dat’s like a gun, but also a volcano, right? It’s better when ya mash two words togevva to make one word, dat’s how ya know a fing’s gonna be good.’
‘Dat’s definitely sense, kaptin,’ Gazruk said, hoping this bit of praise would be spread out and applied to all of Uzgul’s other statements, even though it blatantly shouldn’t be. ‘So, dat hot rock…’
‘Gonna use it for da rokkits, too,’ Uzgul said proudly. ‘See, fing is usually, when planets have dese fings goin’ off, dey’re on opposite sides, so it all cancels out. We’ve got all our rokkits on one side, and dere’s no uvvers about!’
‘How’re yoo gonna make it erupt when you want it to, boss?’ Gazruk asked. Surely, if he did his own digging, sense would emerge?
‘Simple,’ Uzgul said with a snort. ‘Drop a bomb in it, get da stuff all riled up. Same wiv da gun.’
Gazruk scratched his cheek, hoping that provided an excuse for his grimace. ‘An’ how’re yoo gonna keep it from comin’ out when ya don’t want it to?’

‘Lid,’ Uzgul said, looking at him dubiously. ‘Obviously. Y’know, Gazruk, yoo don’t seem too smart about dis sorta fing. Maybe you should stick to smaller gunz ‘n’ whatnot.’

[charred bridge]

I never even bought that evil, how do I take it back

[west zealot]

"Uzgul had looked at a planet and decided, so far as Gazruk could work out, that he wanted to turn it into a sort of spaceship. That was well over the one-boot-only threshold, and accelerating fast towards the horizon. It wouldn’t have been so bad, except that Uzgul was clearly very capable of other things, like commanding a krew and krumping other spaceships. That success meant that he thought he should be able to do this – that because he was good at one or two things, he should be good at everything. And because he was in charge, he was going to assume it was someone else’s fault if his ridiculous, nonsense plan didn’t work."

Dunning Kruger is not only for humies

[broken dew]

Yeah unless i've missed something James Workshop isn't quite moving the way Bandai does with Gunpla

[charred bridge]

I think one advantage Bandai has is the gunpla kits benefit from massive economy of scale and Bandai has had much longer experience with mass scale plastic injection molding with a more established production lines as they have done a wide variety of toys at global scale for quite a while. Also the basic grade gundam kits are rather simple in detail for each piece, each carefully designed so when assembled it looks great, kind of harder to do for organic shapes like humans compared to mechs.

Even then gunpla models are excellently designed to look great and be super economical to make.

[broken dew]

Mhm

Wasn't a slight against James Workshop or anything, just an observation

They simply don't make stuff to the same kind of complexity and detail as gunpla can have

They do miniatures so it makes sense

[charred bridge]

No I was moreso saying gunpla is just unusually excellent

[broken dew]

Oh yeah that too

Gunpla is kinda crazy with it

[charred bridge]

I can't really think of a similar product line that is relatively dirt cheap yet looks great

[broken dew]

Mhm

It is one of the reasons i didn't really get into WH miniatures

[charred bridge]

Like it's funko pop price for entry level yet looks nice

And fairly easy to assemble

[broken dew]

I had originally intended to but then i found out about Gunpla and tried it out and got hooked on it like crack

[charred bridge]

And the sprues are well designed to fit in ways most people wouldn't expect

You get a lot of like "these pieces make an arm?" then you're halfway through the arm and you're like damn that is an arm that can move a ton. That probably requires a great degree of engineering know how or experience

[broken dew]

Mhm

[mental birch]

Re funko pop my current brainbug is to make fake boxes

And fill them with sd gundams

I am irony posioned

[charred bridge]

If you repaint them funko boxes would make good stackable display boxes

[mental birch]

"Fake" custom funko boxes

[charred bridge]

Wouldn't even need to even repaint, just like glue a printed DIY cover image to it

[mental birch]

But inside is SD

Gundam

[charred bridge]

Like half the cost of gunpla for me since I only do the most basic grade is getting more shelves that can display it

[broken dew]

Mhm

Reminds me i should see if i can fix up the paints i got so i can actually get to painting my Intercessors and Necrons

[west zealot]

Oh i'm mostly thinking the sheer detail even in an RG kit and how smooth stuff works

The only thing holding me back from getting more gunpla is a: cost

b: What do with models when done

if i had the moeny i would absoloteuy go after the RG Unicorn or something though

[broken dew]

fair enough

i have a few RG's and they are, very detailed

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/876190622665560125/1430786346318037032/IMG_6839.jpg?ex=68fb0b1f&is=68f9b99f&hm=1c72f623c82e1220a2a909836972c547c34bf1a1997948168e32dfd9a8e8f2ac&

[charred bridge]

Gulliman: Jaghaitai you're back whos that woman?

Khan: Woman? This is a horse and yes it is a woman horse I didn't know you knew horses like that.

Gulliman: Are you calling that woman a horse?

Khan: Yea could a woman do this?

goldship kicks down ceramic walls

Gulljman: holy terra

[spice flicker]

What do you guys think about the unending swarm detachment for tyranids?

[tired cairn]

I think the detachment rule was created to maximize the pain and suffering of everyone involved

It's also been collateral of a bunch of broader nerfs so it isn't considered very good aiui

[spice flicker]

How's this look then?

[mental birch]

Look more models than anyone can kill is fun anf playablr for evrruonr

[tired cairn]

Especially when you get to move them when they get shot at!

[spice flicker]

So ignore everything but fielding as many gaunts as i can fit, a neurotyrant+zoans for actual heavy firepower, and biovores to camp at home got it.

143 gaunts are too few it seems.

[tired cairn]

I think lists at the time had over 200?

It basically leans into objective scoring really hard and killing stuff is a nice bonus lol

[spice flicker]

Alternate more meme-ish idea

251 models if my math is correct

Can't do more than scratch armor besides the zoanthropes but can certainly clog the board and ask the question: "will you run out of attacks before I run out of bodies?"

[rocky shale]

More realistically you'll run out of time to finish the game

[spice flicker]

True

Typically I do synaptic nexus but was curious about the unending swarm so figured id ask and brainstorm.

[tired cairn]

Any reason the termagants are only 10-model units?

[spice flicker]

My thinking was that theyd be behind the hormagaunts shooting or scattering to do secondaries and objectives while the hormagaunts tarpit and/or roadblock the other side's stuff. Essentially theyre 10 man groups instead of 20 so that I can scatter them about more.

[sour sequoia]

So unironically this is better in invasion fleet than unending swarm but the list is competitive

This is how Nemo and Floof Cox crush tournaments

[spice flicker]

Wait what?

[tired cairn]

"This is better in invasion fleet" is a common sad story for Tyranids

[spice flicker]

Thoughts on this?

[tired cairn]

Oh, maybe it's still not useful in a swarm list. But you might want to consider a 20-strong termagant unit or two plus a trrvigon

[sour sequoia]

The ten mans aint gonna do shit

If you’re gonna do swarm like that 20-man, I’d drop to one neuro unit to fit a lictor or something

[sour sequoia]

The good news at least is invasion fleet is a good detachment and it also actually feels good

[tired cairn]

Yeah, true

I wish all the detachments had the Feel No Pain strat. Definitely my most used one lmao

[broken dew]

my idea of making this contemptor model into basically an action figure is going quite well surprisingly

[tired cairn]

Though I've mostly been using Subterranean Assault because it's fun

[spice flicker]

Oh can I see a list?

[tired cairn]

Sure, it's probably bad though lol
The Swarmlord (220pts): Warlord, Bone Sabres, Synaptic Pulse
Neurotyrant (105pts): Neurotyrant claws and lashes, Psychic scream
Trygon (160pts): Trygon Character upgrade, Trygon Prime, Bio-electric pulse, Trygon scything talons

10x Gargoyles (85pts)
10x Gargoyles (85pts)
10x Gargoyles (85pts)

Biovores (50pts)
Lictor (60pts): Lictor claws and talons
Lictor (60pts): Lictor claws and talons
Neurolictor (70pts): Piercing claws and talons
5x Raveners (125pts)
6x Zoanthropes (200pts)
Exocrine (140pts): Bio-plasmic cannon, Powerful limbs
Exocrine (140pts): Bio-plasmic cannon, Powerful limbs
Tyrannofex (200pts): Powerful limbs, Stinger salvoes, Rupture cannon
Tyrannofex (200pts): Powerful limbs, Stinger salvoes, Rupture cannon

[meager quail]

Question: has anything been done with the characterization of primaris as extreme fish out of water who find the modern Imperium very confusing?

[tired cairn]

I also made a melee focused one that was amazing against one guard army and did horribly every other time lmao

Though I have also never failed so many 6" charges with re-rolls in my entire life as when I play Subterranean Assault

[floral herald]

Yes but it’s mostly in books I haven’t read so I can’t say much

[meager quail]

Ah

[tired cairn]

Most Primaris would be newly grown at this point right?

[meager quail]

I feel like it has strong storytelling potential

[broken dew]

Iirc some chapters did not deal with the Primaris well

[meager quail]

Yeah, that's part of my interest

[broken dew]

wanna say the Dark Angels were not very happy about it

[meager quail]

That they're even more removed from things than normal Astartes

[broken dew]

and some Black Templar elements just outright put their primaris reinforcements to the sword

[meager quail]

At least in some chapters

[vital barn]

the Wolves nearly said "fuck off, we're all going to die to orks on our own, get out of here Guilliman"

the book about it is pretty mediocre but does include Sgt. Gaius, a Greyshield with space wolf geneseed who manages to get to Fenris before any of the other Primaris and is ruthlessly bullied for being a huge awooaboo

eventually he proves himself, gets a fenrisian name, the Wolves accept Primaris, etc, but it's more entertaining when he's just eating shit because Wolf customs are all deranged and he knows approximately none of them

he gets told off for using ammo on the firing range because apparently the Wolves are so broke that they can't spend bolter rounds on that and just point at the targets and take hitting on the honour system

which is meant to be "look at our cool warrior brotherhood" but really just comes off as "wow, these guys are up themselves"

[floral herald]

That sounds like they’re fucking with him haha

[vital barn]

they are not

it's not an amazing book

[sour sequoia]

If you wanna juice this try Norn Assimilators, Haruspexes, and the Hyper-Adapted Ravs

[sour sequoia]

All 3 are straight gas

[broken dew]

that's very funny

[charred bridge]

Target practicing by vibes is such a 40k ass thing

[broken dew]

why are the space wolves fucking broke as hell

[meager quail]

Incredible

[vital barn]

because nobody likes the goddamn Space Wolves

they keep making trouble for themselves

[meager quail]

And Fenris is not a productive world

[broken dew]

they're on some Marines Malevolent kind of shit huh

well to a lesser extent i imagine

[meager quail]

They are allergic to following procedure

[charred bridge]

All the bolter aquila went into making astartes brew

[meager quail]

And get into fights with everybody

[broken dew]

The Marines Malevolent don't have anything though not just bullets

[vital barn]

meanwhile the guard, firing off 10000000000 heavy bolter shells per minute on their various ranges

"lol, lmao"

[broken dew]

they're still using heresy era armor which is very funny

[charred bridge]

Also space wolves completely refuse the codex astartes

[upper canopy]

God this is so fucking silly

[broken dew]

several other Space Marine Chapters consider the Marines Malevolent belligerent, antagonistic and wanting in brotherhood with their fellow Adeptus Astartes. This has resulted in many forces of the Imperium refusing to serve alongside this infamous Chapter.

the Marines Malevolent are just arseholes

[vital barn]

the wolf squad that's dressing him down then do the firing range gauntlet and get "three times as far", which surely is quite easy when you never have to reload and just say you never miss

[charred bridge]

Which contains quite a bit like logistics and maintenance so space wolves just do whatever space wolves do

[broken dew]

Firstborn Marines Malevolent overwhelmingly use antique Mark VI Corvus Power Armour and wield ancient pattern bolters.

i love the Marines Malevolent they are such shitlords

[floral herald]

This is Iron Hands erasure

Were the guys who are supposed to be atomically anal about expenditures

[vital barn]

yeah but the Iron Hands have money

[upper canopy]

The Iron Hands do it for paperwork

[vital barn]

because Mars is tight with them

[floral herald]

It’s not even sounding like they’re low

[broken dew]

the Iron Hands aren't dirt poor unlike apparently the fucking Space Wolves

[upper canopy]

these guys do it because they're poor

[vital barn]

the Wolves are eating shit in this book, they're down to like 500 guys or below

[floral herald]

He’s just like “don’t bother shooting it at targets we have unlimited enemies and the forges can’t keep up”

[vital barn]

it is explicitly stated that if the Primaris hadn't showed up they'd probably have gone extinct

[broken dew]

i never considered the idea that the Space Wolves are completely belligerent and don't do their paperwork and this means they have no money and not enough of anything to go around

[charred bridge]

Absolutely wild

[broken dew]

sucks to be the Space Wolves and not be able to have 50 successor chapters

[vital barn]

at one point Sgt. Gaius gets very fucking cross at all the wolves being incredible arseholes and goes on a giant rant, then soloes a triple-length Test of Morkai shirtless in the meteor storm hell-season

[broken dew]

Blood Angels supremacy

[charred bridge]

That's like almost as bad as imperial fists becoming imperial fist during war of the beast

I still can't get over an Imperial Fist out of all astartes being called Slaughter

[vital barn]

at which point they go "yeah he's cool" and he goes "yeah they're cool" and honestly I would have preferred him to go "fuck you guys, I'm better than you, I'm going to found a successor chapter" since they can now do that with Primaris geneseed

would have been a better ending

this is a good rant that is slightly undermined by him nearly dying five times and then getting over this very reasonable grudge immediately upon getting back

[meager quail]

Yeah, there’s also stuff about how they’ll get in fights with the Inquisition about Exterminatus use not because they think it’s ethically wrong, but because they wanted to fight whatever’s on the planet and also they just like getting in arguments with Inquisitors.

[broken dew]

lol, lmao

all of their like

4 non-primaris successors went to chaos