Warhammer and Such

[floral herald]

I had assumed it was the Ascender in darktide

[charred bridge]

Ah yes the ascender, the slow elevator

That for some reason spins slowly despite being a flat circle with no outer walls or rails

[floral herald]

That’s ascension riser I mean the slowly descending staircase on the kill the guy sewer start mission

[charred bridge]

Oh ok

I didnt realize it was called the Ascender, then again I dont pay attention to the location popups

[floral herald]

I don’t think anyone calls it that but Hadron

I mostly think it’s funny that it’s called an ascender yet you lower it 🤔

I don’t think I would otherwise

[tired cairn]

I guess it's illegal to walk down those stairs

[charred bridge]

If they ever make new maps they need a section called the Descender but you go up

[tired cairn]

I do like the redundancy of "ascension riser"

[west zealot]

The best bit is the armorury extract team being ready and on standbye enoguh that just need a signal implies that this is a Very Regular Occurance.

[desert jay]

TBF there's probably several other reasons you might want one on standby if you're deploying termies

Like if one's unconscious or the suit's disabled

Or if opfor decides their best chance for dealing with one is dropping the building on him

[tall depot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QSaYlcCTQI

[west zealot]

Yes, but it's funnier to imagine it's just collapsing stairs as the primary reason

[broken dew]

Haru Urara butcher's nails 😭

[desert jay]

"Brothers! The vile heretics have dropped a building on me!" is also pretty funny

[charred bridge]

Gravity is heretical

[west zealot]

This is true

I'm also just imagining a skit where a separate building has been dropped on each Terminator of a squad

[west zealot]

I mean, according to the regimental standard...

[charred bridge]

The guard shoot gravity with lasgun until it stops

[west zealot]

I was more thinking the bit about the disproven sciences of aerodynamics etc

[sour sequoia]

Behold the power of the Reductus Saboteur

65pts to drop a building on someone’s deep strike

Older editions had her actually mining terrain pieces

[west zealot]

Hahaha, nice.

I am reminded of the levitation tank in Red Alert 2, which was.. basically fuck useless by itself.

Except if you postioned it so it grabbed something with a building in the way, at which point it's attempt to drag things to itself would lift them high enough that cancelling the drop order would result in bad things for whatever got dropped.

And the building.

(it was very good at killing ships, however)

[marsh tree]

No joke, I had a character in a Dark Heresy campaign that didn’t believe in gravity

[charred bridge]

Emperor keeps you grounded, thats why xeno crafts can hover because they have no emperor keeping them down

[marsh tree]

Something like that

[mild glen]

Okay, The Hivemind. I wish to summon your Dark Magic. I know there must be one, but cannot find it...
Where's the Guard regiment styled after Imperial China?

[untold swallow]

Uh

...huh

There may not

Be one???

[pastel rampart]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Lucky_13's

[pale narwhal]

third time's the charm, apparently

won my killteam league game vs raveners as battleclade

20-6, only lost one point on crit op. very pleased with my positioning, I only made one mistake, which was not flamering a tremorscythe a second time with a network counteract because of the order I activated my operatives, which allowed it to charge and kill something the next turn

not a critical mistake but one to keep in mind

[mild glen]

Yay for Literally One Line Of Lore, I guess.

Thank you

[pastel rampart]

Like with any IG regiment with little to no lore you can just make up whatever the hell you want.

[stark cypress]

Yep

Two of my guard units are rocking Cadian kit.

But they're not Cadian's

[floral herald]

Maybe they woulda done better at that low battle with shorter hats

[stark cypress]

Just glorified PDF guys that drafted because of Imperium Nihlus.

[floral herald]

Damn 20-6 is a blowout

[pale narwhal]

it was pretty rough for raveners

they lost their venomspitter turning point 1 because they didn't realise my autoproxy could get an angle on him (to give anyone shooting seek light and saturate)

and then just couldn't trade up, I lost four total operatives and killed their last remaining operative (prime) start of TP4

only dropped a point on crit op

lost my autoproxy, breacher, a flamer combat servitor, and my underseer (but in return for each of those killed 4/5 raveners) and my technoarchaeologist killed the prime

[floral herald]

That’s really effective yeah

Getting to 20 points always means a good game plan

[pale narwhal]

I took retrieval for tac op and it was my primary

bc I figured even if I don't get onto points I could tap 2/3 of them with tech-priests using remote activation pretty safely

didn't end up needing to because there was nothing to contest two and I killed the prime then picked up the last one

[pale narwhal]

also the demo for the mechanicus game is out and it fucks immensely

goddamn

[stark cypress]

Neat

What fucks more aesthetically? Wooden furniture or machined furniture las guns?

[desert jay]

You're doing British WW2 vibes, ye? I think I'd go wood

[stark cypress]

I see I see

Now, one of them has a chainsword

So, probably just a black casing?

[desert jay]

Now, if you're willing to mish-match mid-20th century aesthetics, I'd also consider bakelite furniture

[pastel rampart]

The former if only because I find the idea of wood-panel chimeras really funny.

[stark cypress]

Ohhhhhhh

[stark cypress]

That would be a feudal regiment thing

[pastel rampart]

Or a 1980s-themed regiment.

[stark cypress]

I mean they

did have a lot of wood paneling in cars

[pastel rampart]

Sure did!

[stark cypress]

Yep!

How would I do bakelite as a color?

[desert jay]

It's usually a reddish brown, similar to some wood tones I guess, but the texture of it is much different

OTOH, not much room for texture

[stark cypress]

I see

I do have some hull red

but I've been using that for boots

[runic swallow]

Yeah there’s a lot of different colors, but traditionally kinda reddish Orange or brown

[past sphinx]

it looks like the disconcerting color of a gas station empanada

[tranquil ivy]

SO TURNS OUT THEY LOWERED LEGENDS' POINTS AND NOBODY TOLD ME

The leviathan dread is 160

i can die in peace.

also a certain tank is now slightly more affordable (420pts)

which is very fun

[broken dew]

Great success

[tranquil ivy]

12. Wounds.

its so peak

Strength 24

AP 5

i love it

[pale narwhal]

oh they did?? insane

[junior robin]

finally, Fabius Bile primaris leutenant

[quaint compass]

Huh

I wouldn't be surprised if that's a butcher surgeon

[junior robin]

it does remind me of old chaos with the pointy details at the rivets

[thin ibex]

Primaris servitors

[junior robin]

well we know what it wont be at least: HQ for Codex Hereteks

[stark cypress]

GW posted a preview of the newest Christmas Mini.

It's Da Red Gobbo with plastic Vost bits.

Those fuckers know what they're doing.

[spice flicker]

Thoughts on this 2000 pts Grey knight list?

Was toying with a backup army in case I dont go with imperial agents for a upcoming crusade

Doing the same as before I that I am starting at 2000 pts for planning before shaving down to 750 points.

[sour sequoia]

List lock-in for the GT is tonight

Might fuck around and pivot my list to paint 50 models by Saturday morning

[broken dew]

50 models...

[stark cypress]

Dam

[sour sequoia]

The most expensive single model in GSC is 120 points for a Rockgrinder

The most expensive single units are like, 140pts for a brick of Metamorphs, 150pts for a pair of ridgerunners, and 300 for 10 aberrants which you will do literally never because they don’t do anything at that size that 5 won’t

So every list is a rotating sea of trash

[broken dew]

ic ic

[thin ibex]

is the rockgrinder good?

it seems like it can get a little mean up close

[sour sequoia]

In Final Day its fucking hilarious, in Outlander Claw its very solid, everywhere else its a big whatever because it is the only GSC model with no special deployment rules and cant respawn, which means it doesn’t hook into your army at all

[broken dew]

it not engaging with the army does sound like it'd be a problem

[sour sequoia]

And end of the day it’s not an amazing vehicle, its a rhino with a lascannon or heavy flamer + god’s funniest vehicle melee profile and an ability to make nuisance charging super threatening

But in final Day this thing shoots the Blast Lascannon on 3s, melees on 2s and wound rerolls, +1 to charge and charge rerolls

In Outlander Claw it becomes a -1 damage, 4+ invuln, 4 OC Rhino with the above weapons and a lascannon

Its very efficient? But without a detach thats specifically giving it boosts its not worth it. Kinda the way GSC rolls a lot, everything is a step and a buff away from being absurd but when it doesn’t constantly respawn like any of my trash infantry will by default its riskier

[spice flicker]

So why does guard have the 2nd lowest win rate at the moment, not far from agents if this weekend's data is to indicate anything?

[floral herald]

Which aggregator are you looking at?

[upper bluff]

Admech high win rate... Those numbers better drop before we're sent back to tabletop hell

[main pagoda]

one weekend of play does seem like a tiny sample size

[upper bluff]

I'm sure it'll be fine

[spice flicker]

Apparently ad mech have been up near the top two for the last few weekends

[floral herald]

Single weekend results are volatile

[spice flicker]

A weekend where agents arent last is when we really should be concerned i guess.

[vital barn]

admech have been doing well since they taped the entire space marine army rule onto Cawl

this does not really surprise me

[upper bluff]

True

I hope that they just increase Cawl's points instead of reverting the change though

[floral herald]

I think this is monthly or quarterly?

But AM haven’t moved that far

[vital barn]

Cawl as the be-all and end-all of the faction annoys me but at least "custom archmagos" is a fun project in and of itself

there was a brief shining moment back in 7th where it looked like he'd be a generic archmagos kit instead

[floral herald]

I agree

[upper bluff]

Honestly if 11th they just create a generic archmagos with similar ability I wouldn't even be upset if that was the only 11th edition model

[floral herald]

All the factions with a Single Big Named Guy are kinda not my favorite

[vital barn]

Guard apparently has the same problem according to a friend, because now the fucking Lord Solar is at every single battle

[floral herald]

But some of them are hard to argue against I guess

[upper bluff]

Yeah and sadly that seems to be the design at the moment

[vital barn]

the Lord Solar is the definition of "guy that should not have rules"

[floral herald]

I agree

Or he should kinda suck

Flavor character

I can live with like, Fulgrim being central to EC but he’s not lmao

[upper bluff]

If they're gonna have these must be your warlord build around units they should have generic versions too

[vital barn]

could take a hint from 30k and make the actual character in gold armour on the rearing horse a generic "Lord Solar's Emissary" at least

(even if Horus' Emissary is currently a bit meh, he's basically a chaplain that you can stick to your allies as well as your main dudes)

[upper bluff]

If the 4 god legions had a greater Daemon Prince generic huge guy with similar but weaker abilities to the Daemon primarchs that would be cool

[vital barn]

in the before-times we called that a normal greater demon

[upper bluff]

True

[vital barn]

although there were also the comically large forge world GDs who cost 666/777/888/999pts respectively and were mostly silly

[upper bluff]

Honestly I'm a big proponent of just putting all the AoS demons into their respective chaos marine legions

A Lord of Change instead of Magnus would be awesome

[vital barn]

(999pt Lord of War Lord of Change, next to Magnus)

[upper bluff]

Lol I like the two bases for each foot

[vital barn]

I believe he's just not done yet in that photo, but his main attack had a template that was five large blasts sellotaped together

you stuck that big thing down over the target unit and then rolled to randomise which of the five circles each shot exploded

[upper bluff]

A model that big better be silly with its attacks

[floral herald]

I love the

Whatever the fuck it was called

[vital barn]

if you got killed by it you became a chaos spawn and started randomly hitting things nearby

[floral herald]

The giant bubbly template

[vital barn]

peak tzeentch

Apocalyptic Barrage?

[floral herald]

Yeah that sounds likely

[vital barn]

HH1e as the gods intended

I think Perty is in that baneblade

[brittle salmon]

Wow, they had enough points to field Perty in his stupid doom tank?

[upper bluff]

The PertyWagon?

[vital barn]

the other guy has a 999pt lord of change and a 666pt GUO, I think this is a Fuck It 4000pt game

[brittle salmon]

lmao

makes sense

[vital barn]

HH1e was artyspam edition, hence why two lines of artillery lords of war are pointing templates at each other across a featureless canyon

[tired cairn]

I'm guessing GW went for the named characters that you use in the game for the same reason MtG is big on it and why hero shooters are popular. I would personally prefer generics instead though (I tolerate it more for Tyranids because I am biased and they largely aren't one creature)

[vital barn]

That at least is much improved

IMO the best named characters are the ones that are a normal unit but a little bit funky, but they tend to not get models and then get culled

[tired cairn]

it also helps that the hive tyrant is generally a more popular pick than the swarmlord lol

[floral herald]

Real

I think my conceptually favorite named character is Tycho

[vital barn]

Bjorn is still like that, he has a legacy admission to the naked character club because he's just a dread with sauce

HH still has a few variant moritats and variant centurions but it's mostly Praetors/Archmagi

who to be fair are mostly just the normal statline with some tweaks, like the First Captains all getting +1WS, a unique weapon and probably a specific trick for challenges

The unique archmagos remains the funniest because his trick is this:

Int test to exit the battle, remove the model from the table, nobody gets slay the warlord

actually ideal

[tired cairn]

I feel like my ideal, at least in a more character customization game like I understand HH to be, is to have named characters be examples made from said customization

I'll settle for weird guys that aren't must-picks though

[vital barn]

I like them having some funky stuff because it provides more things to rob for My Dudes without needing a generic for every cool stunt

(also means every IF champ isn't as good as Siggy, which is probably a good thing given his points cost)

[floral herald]

What does that represent?

Is he just really good at knowing when to cheese it?

Doombot situation?

[main pagoda]

thats basically how it works in WHFB and TOW, named characters might have one special rule but they also come with unique magic items but non unique can be made up to their level with the standard magic items

[vital barn]

Yeah, he is a sneaky little gremlin who gets his boys killed once or twice to cover his retreat, he's a Skaven with a paragon blade

Lukas Chrom also does that so Draykavac's rules also make a good pick there

to be fair it's sensible Mech policy to bounce whenever you see someone pauldronish approaching because you can solo a praetor easily on tabletop but you usually don't get that luxury in lore

There was another guy with something similar in HH1e, but he explicitly had an emergency teleport out

I believe they later wrote him in to the Siege of Terra books darkmeching around, not sure if he did anything

[main pagoda]

believe he commanded one of the dark mech siege guns that broke the first wall?

[vital barn]

Possibly

[hollow laurel]

Yeah the fact Cawl is both extremely good and a named character annoys us since our admech army is very much NOT MARS

[vital barn]

The three survival strategies of HH mech characters are "stab them when they aren't looking and book it", "be too angry to die" and "become insect", so there's a decent spread

sadly Decima lost his rules so we no longer have an example of the middle way

[hollow laurel]

And are maybe tech heretiks since our backstory has their forge world get swallowed up by a warp storm near the start of the Horus heresy so they’ve got some dark mechanicum leanings and are generally a bit more radical than most others

“What do you mean we need to stop using automata?”

[charred bridge]

Oh they stopped using men of iron long before horus heresy

[floral herald]

Huh you know what’s kinda fucked up

The MoI rebellion was less far in the past in the Horus Heresy than the Horus Heresy is from the narrative present

[hollow laurel]

I mean the combat automata from HH

MissCodedVIIrOS (Her/She) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161696278640594954 message) Oh they stopped using men of iron long before horus heresy

[charred bridge]

Huh that checks out, Age of Strife was 25000s to late 20000s

[tired cairn]

Is this what narrative present space marines tell Guilliman or the Lion to make them feel old?

[charred bridge]

And HH was 30k

[floral herald]

Yeah I hadn’t actually compared the numbers haha

[charred bridge]

I just looked them up when you mentioned it

[paper bluff]

Nah, I thought that the lion actually did have some, and he unleashed them

Like 5 of them iirc

[untold swallow]

If none of the players in my WanG game play psykers, it is going to be so fun ||fucking with them and not telling them which powers are Chaos or not with their npc ally|| (players don't look)

||'Rhi was that sorcery?'||

||'You're not a psyker good luck figuring it out :3'||

[charred bridge]

Well they were supposed to stop using Men of Iron and AI in general

Whether or not they did is another thing, although if an inquisitor found out you'd be a heretic

[past sphinx]

id imagine youd be something worse even

Ai isnt just a foe of humanity, thinking machines are THE old foe of humanity

almostly like finding out that a guard commander was using daemon engines or something

[tranquil ivy]

the Falchion costs 420 points, do y'all think it's worth considering the BUSTED guns it has?

[desert jay]

I think we are slowly approaching All Of Them, it just varies how important that one guy is to listbuilding

Because even counting just ones that grant an extra army rule, we got SOB (Triumph), AdMech (Cawl), SM (Guiliman or Lion), CSM (Abbadon), all four cult legions (daemon primarchs), and Necrons (Silent King)

[tranquil ivy]

(as in "wounds a Brutalis on 2+")

[desert jay]

This doesn't count Guard (Lord Solar), Orks (Ghaz), Canis Rex (IK), or the recent SM chapter masters, even if they're really good

[hollow laurel]

Alright this is sick

https://www.reddit.com/r/Deathkorpsofkrieg/s/nCouLwVTNI

Very well made cosplay

[main pagoda]

boot wraps are such a vibe

[hollow laurel]

Those are called puttees!

From Hindustani "paṭṭī", meaning a long strip of cloth, a ribbon, a headband, or a bandage.

[thin ibex]

also referred to as gaiters during ww2

[sour sequoia]

folks, never join a team of all death guard players or they'll make you wear some fuck ass christmas sweater that says shart for the shart god

please kill me

[floral herald]

Lmfao

[desert jay]

DG can be a little toxic, as a treat

[charred bridge]

Darktide writers know 40k

[stark cypress]

Renegade

Hmmmmm

If I wanted to make Tyranids really ugly

Like butt ugly, Pytor ugly. What would I need to do?

[pale narwhal]

As in model ugly or paint ugly? If you want really beat-up, damaged ‘nids you could always go through and add manual battle damage, scratched and chipped carapace etc

[stark cypress]

I guess like "Oh my god these things are fucking horrible to look at...I love 'em" ugly?

[pale narwhal]

You could either go ‘grimy and grimdark’ or ‘far too bright colours’ with that, I think

Like neon pink carapace type bright

[stark cypress]

Hmmmmmm

To make or not to make Nids into the freaky cousins of the Emperor's Children?

[mild glen]

Just... use normal 'nids? They're pretty ugly by default?

[stark cypress]

But I want to make them even more ugly

[untold swallow]

Man

I'm sad the Dark Angels drawing inspiration from both Native Americans and Arthurian myth wasn't just steered in a less potentially racist direction rather than becoming just Arthurian myth

cuz this goes hard

[untold swallow]

the random feathers is definitely insensitive, but the beaded scabbard and the incorporation of weaving into the loincloth is so cool

[sour sequoia]

I got a solution for this gimme a sec

There’s some silly stuff you can do with glue to make the paints semi-glossy and start actually looking like organs/raw meat/shit from a butt that will
Give You A Disease

https://youtu.be/wgMaZpj3tGQ?si=mlFovD9kIGnxeVQS

This guy has it I’m pretty sure, someone else was all over r/tyranids with it at around the same time

[stark cypress]

Oh hey! I watch this guy.

The Trench Gunk from that place is nuts.

[deft crest]

Folks its done, Getting my drukhari battleforce box tomorrow. Excited to have a new army that isnt all melee or all shooting but has a bit of both.
Unrelated but,

Does anyone know why I keep waking up with Eyeliner and my alarm is suddenly darksynth>? Who replaced my wardrobe with leather harnesses and puffy sleeved blouses???

[floral herald]

Lmao

[pine matrix]

This is normal, be sure to address the cravings they are not caffeine or nicotine withdrawal and have somehow worse consequences regarding your soul

[broken dew]

yeah i think i was definitely cooking with my custom chapters chapter master, just doing some cut and paste testing for doing a basic drawing of him and i'm quite pleased with the results

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A7UZFzsrn8

[broken dew]

Yup that's what it do be

He's the lord of the sturdy lads

Thus he must be the sturdiest of the lads

[pastel rampart]

Or like that one asshole in Lies of P.

[broken dew]

Yeahhh

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408609553597464579/1428041424460447915/image1-1760536040-xfytywdswt.png?ex=68f10eb7&is=68efbd37&hm=be7fe3bafe94721b49d94c6b446605ab39dd1d4b13f4dc246612fb7e3e5f5f86&

[broken dew]

lmao

looks cool tho

[pastel rampart]

Yeah I kinda dig it.

The helmet is huge and silly but I think that's what sells it.

[stark cypress]

Is that an Old World or Sigmar?

[broken dew]

huge silly helmet does carry

[pastel rampart]

AoS.

[stark cypress]

Ah

[pastel rampart]

New board game thing.

[stark cypress]

I see

[tardy vault]

The actual news is what they're hiding: the enemy models are likely a Maggotkin release/refresh

[pastel rampart]

There's clearly going to be pestigors and that I want to see.

[sour sequoia]

38/77 armies are MEQ bodyspam at the GT this weekend lads

I love 30 metamorphs

[desert jay]

I thought a pile of MEQs is how GW wants the game to be played

[upper bluff]

How many us dollars worth of models are at these tournaments?

[sour sequoia]

it basically is! I just also correctly shotcalled it and Xenocreed eats MEQs for breakfast lunch and dinner with 3x10 squads of like 42 strength 5 AP-2 D2 attacks, hitting on 2s with lethals and rerolling wound

we just came out of like 6 months of nothing but T7 SuperTerminators and Imperial/Chaos Knights hyperelite meta

Knights are still disgusting but there's only like 3 knights guys in the state

[desert jay]

Assume per player roughly an average of $1K of plastic at GW MSRP. Not counting paint or other supplies. Or people who've paid to get some models pro painted. Or time investment

[sour sequoia]

by MSRP my army is 2k not counting labor

if I stole every model at the GT I'd pay for college

[desert jay]

Yeah GSC and AdMech are higher

(And a few others too)

[floral herald]

If you price in labor I think a lot of armies can hit 5 figures easy

But that’s not really a market price

[broken dew]

lmao, i'm watching a vid on homebrewing chapters cause i'm doing my shit and it's interesting

and one of their points of failure is not acknowledging the dangers of psykers which is very funny to me

[sour sequoia]

going by my own comm prices my army is like 6k but I price my comms so that people only come to me with actual shit to do instead of 'hey im too lazy to battle ready my army can you paint 100 models in a week for a hundo'

[upper bluff]

Is step one of homebrew chapters to have fun?

[broken dew]

yes

actually

[upper bluff]

Good lol

[broken dew]

they specifically do mention at the beginning of the video that all of the points they make are moot in the face of having fun

[floral herald]

Yeah I’m thinking more like art project armies

Since per-model-prices for painting commissions can hit 30-50$

[desert jay]

Even just battle ready minimum, $1/model sounds like a ripoff

[broken dew]

but it's really funny to me with the whole psyker thing cause my chapter has zero psykers so i simply cannot have this problem

[floral herald]

Maybe that’s a high end though but there’s also assembly and unpaid build theorizing soo

[floral herald]

Like being too cavalier with them or something?

[broken dew]

not being aware enough of the fact that psykers are actually kinda fucking dangerous to have around

perils of the warp type shit

they can just spontaneously go insane or explode or have any number of problems

they are not just like, wizards that can shoot magic spells whenever they want to

[sour sequoia]

You'd think warhammer players would be like furries. They are the opposite of furries.

"Gyr your prices are so high when I can do this myself, people aren't gonna pay $20 unless they're getting OSL and edge highlighting" Your intercessors have been primed since you bought the leviathan box no you can't

[upper bluff]

Perils of the warp makes me so sad at times. Like why would anyone be a space wizard if there's a reasonable chance that you turn into a mutant freak every time you shoot lightning

[floral herald]

I mean, people don’t choose to be psykers in 40K

[broken dew]

yeah

[desert jay]

I looked up one painting service for reference, and I think it's funny that this service charges more for CSM Legionnaires per model than non-Chaos armies' independant characters

[floral herald]

Someone doesn’t like edge highlighting trim lol

[sour sequoia]

Trim is real but honestly AdMech, Guard, GSC are worse than most of chaos besides certain TSons models and I think chaos painters are weenies

[broken dew]

but yeah i just thought it was funny that they mentioned this as a pitfall and i simply cannot fall into this pit

[floral herald]

I agree painting trim is not that bad

I don’t do it professionally ofc

[broken dew]

you may have this issue but i'm different

my guys will simply get slaughtered by demons more easily instead

[desert jay]

Rules for it varies, sometimes it only applies if you push yourself and don't cast 'safely'

[broken dew]

i'm pretty happy that i feel i've managed to avoid most of the pitfalls mentioned in this video

[rocky shale]

Most of the time the people paying for a "cheap" paint job just don't want to paint, they're not looking for an art piece.

The furries know that they're patrons of the arts lol

[deft crest]

Oneday i'll get my OC drawn like a renaissance noble

[pale narwhal]

I’ve painted models for friends for money before

Should probably look up commission painters and see how the prices I’ve given match at some point

[thin ibex]

ive actually been looking to commission some stuff painted for my bro, because ive been meaning to paint up a kasrkin KT for him but frankly im so slow and so distractible that its been a year and i havent even finished making them

much less priming and painting them

and I want to try to do the classic kasrkin jag camo

and ive never done camo before either

[untold swallow]

You're watching Astartes Anonymous' episode on avoiding traps in homebrew writing huh

Good vid

[thin ibex]

lot of fanon wants psykers to be like jedi with no risk or like... danger

[untold swallow]

That's like actively not the fun part lmao

Wot

[thin ibex]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[broken dew]

yeah it seemed interesting

the big pitfall i have hit is not reading official material so i guess i oughta jump into some codices and check stuff out

it seems reasonably good advice

[thin ibex]

some of the like... baseline stuff with 40k is that its cotnradictory, inconsistent, and generally rather brutal

a lot of lore channels will smooth off the bumps to make it easier to understand or to reduce contradictions

[untold swallow]

Like I made my chapter love psykers, holding them up as only secondary to Chaplains in their Holiness

But that's because to them, psykers possess a holy burden to wield their awesome, dangerous power in service of Man

[thin ibex]

I do think that the warhammer tv sponsored lore videos are a little dry, but also illustrate the lore that GW subscribes to currently

[broken dew]

ngl i watch Adeptus Ridiculous for all my lore needs

because that shit is mad funny

so i'm not like, super technically informed

[tired cairn]

I like how the Black Templars super hate psykers but have a mild jealousy of astropaths because they get to see the golden light of the Emperor

[thin ibex]

wasnt that the perspective of a single character? Or was that ascribed to the whole chapter?

[floral herald]

The black templars psyker stuff has gotten really weird

[tired cairn]

"everything is canon but not everything is true" is a really cute way to handle 40k lore

[floral herald]

But yeah they do respect astropaths

[broken dew]

my guys both have a dad who fucking hated psykers and actively didn't make use of them and also really hate a specific psyker so they don't do psykers at all

[tired cairn]

Very possible, this is nth-hand

[broken dew]

miss me with that psyker shit

[thin ibex]

It's just one of those things that members of a chapter can have perspectives that dont reflect the whole chapter

[floral herald]

It’s pretty common for astropaths to the The Exception since they’re soul bound to the Emperor so it’s heretical to hate them or something

[tired cairn]

Oh, in what sort of ways?

[thin ibex]

I would have to fact check myself, but dont the astropathic houses predate the imperium as we know it currently?

[floral herald]

So originally they were just rabidly against psykers

So they didn’t recruit any or just killed them or something like that

[tired cairn]

you also really need astropaths to effectively function as a military force in the imperium

[broken dew]

Astropaths and Navigators are the sole exceptions to the no psykers allowed rule that my chapter have

because you really HAVE to have them

[floral herald]

But more recently it was speculated in canon that it’s because they killed the Cacodominus

[broken dew]

you can't travel or communicate without Navigators or Astropaths

[floral herald]

A monstrously powerful alien cyborg

[tired cairn]

Navigators are technically mutants that are not psykers iirc

[floral herald]

And the resulting psychic death scream basically blew out all their psykers into the future

[thin ibex]

its the navigator houses that predate the imperium as we know it iirc, but astropaths are also impossible to function without

[broken dew]

ok well my guys have a blanket ban on warp shit i just say psykers cause it's easier

[floral herald]

So they can’t even recruit em, and may have had them prior to like M34

[thin ibex]

ok yeah just checked, the navis nobillite pre-existed the imperium by several thousand years, there's no one that doesn't accept them

[floral herald]

It also makes their hatred of psykers seems a little sour grapes-y haha

[tired cairn]

lol, what. That's pretty silly. I prefer the hypocrisy of hating psykers but liking astropaths more I think

[floral herald]

Same

[tired cairn]

Maybe this is GW hedging in case they want to make psykers for Black Templars lol

[floral herald]

“We’re just hypocritical reactionary thugs”

It rules actually

One of my favorite chapters

[broken dew]

my guys don't have psykers because if they find psykers they put them in the psyker blender

[tired cairn]

Too bad chuds make it awkward to publicly like them

[floral herald]

Yeah

[untold swallow]

God 3/4 of the Wrath & Glory party I'm running are tech-savvy

An Arcuitor of the Prefecture Magisterium, an Iron Hands Techmarine, and a former Grenadier combat engineer

[charred bridge]

A real Rune Priests are not psyker cause they're useful

[desert jay]

I think it'd also be funny if they could recruit and train psykers, it's just after losing all their existing librarians they no longer have any institutional knowledge with which to do so

And possibly also had a few "incidents" in M35 with self-taught Librarians going badly and they decided to stop trying

[tired cairn]

I think in the Navigators case it is more of actually a different category than it is for Rune Priests. Though the hypocrisy in not abhoring the mutant is still there

The lack of librarians meant no one was enforcing book returns or properly restocking the shelves. So the Librarium became useless for training

[desert jay]

Also if these incidents went bad enough they might be part of the "grr, psykers bad" mindset

[charred bridge]

I imagine it's cause navigators are like a very safe form of psyker mostly as well as vital

Stormseers and Rune Priests got the free pass cause they were way safer than a normal psyker

Channeling fenris is a helluva drug

[tired cairn]

Why do Space Marines keep all the psykers in the Fortress-Monastery C&C and in charge of forbidden knowledge and possibly the defense systems lol

[tired cairn]

I'm pretty sure in universe they are like, different categories of things. Like navigators don't channel the warp in the same way (they instead have a literal gateway to it on their face) and also are capable of strengthening the veil between the warp and reality

[floral herald]

Librarians are pretty safe as far as psykers go

[tired cairn]

I guess I can see how GW feels by checking over navigator datasheet lol

[floral herald]

They have training significantly beyond a normal sanctionite and all the hypno-indoctrination and shit

[tired cairn]

I guess. But considered safer than non-psyker space marines?

[floral herald]

Which is why Librarians can play at Navigator and Astropaths in addition to being battle psykers and such

[desert jay]

I thought Navigators were very specialized to be able to do so

[tired cairn]

Well, GW considers them a psyker so clearly I'm wrong lol

[floral herald]

I think that’s a sort of differing ethos thing

[charred bridge]

I imagine it's like bees are fish in California so environmental protection can be applied to bees like they are for fish.

But navigators get classified as not a psyker so they'll never say be sacrificed to the throne and allows the noble houses to train navigators instead of the black ships.

[floral herald]

Knowledge is dangerous, so you push it onto the dangerous guys who are already rated to handle the 24/7 assail of daemons

[tired cairn]

I guess being a psyker probably means you are going to learn forbidden things, so getting access to the forbidden archives isn't that surprising

[charred bridge]

Well theres latent psykers

[floral herald]

FWIW the base defenses thing is from the 1e write up of The Fang so

[tired cairn]

Being in the C&C is a bit more dubious

[floral herald]

It’s not totally clear to me how that works in more recent lore

And also yeah navigators just aren’t psykers

They just have an extra warp perception organ

[charred bridge]

They can't use any other psyker powers, I don't think they can become psykers in a traditional sense

Like they're hard locked to the eye powers only genetically

[desert jay]

The eye does have a lot of specific weird stufff it can do though

[charred bridge]

Yea much compared to what a normal psyker can do its a lot less stuff, also lot less stuff that'd like destroy the ship usually.

[floral herald]

I think you could have a psyker-navigator

I’m not sure if it’s happened

But I think it in principle could

[charred bridge]

I dont know of any, Id assume they'd exclude a psyker navigator out of the eugenics thing they have going for like purity of the house genes or to be cautious. They have influence but they're overall very cautious to not seem like a threat as mutants.

[floral herald]

Psyker stuff is unpredictable at best, so it might not be possible

[charred bridge]

A navigator that can develop traditional psyker abilities seems real risky for like no benefit to the houses, they're already in the best space they can be as navigators

[untold swallow]

Question: have there been Inquisitors who aren't baseline humans?

[floral herald]

Depends on what you mean by baseline human

[charred bridge]

There's astropaths and psyker inquisitors

[floral herald]

Hector Rex is juiced as FUCK but wasn’t born superhuman for example

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/4/4f/Crusader_inquisitor_by_garang76.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120925165250

[untold swallow]

Can a Ratling in theory become an Inquisitor

[floral herald]

Bro is on enough space steroids to fit into terminator armor

[untold swallow]

Or a Felinid

[floral herald]

I think abhumans are right out

[untold swallow]

l m a o

[charred bridge]

Ogyrn inquisitor when

[floral herald]

The way to become an Inquisitor is basically to have 3 inquisitors agree you should be one after reaching the rank of Interrogator

[vital barn]

Hector has some shit going on but I don't think anyone really knows what it is

[floral herald]

So in theory it could happen but the imperium is insanely prejudiced and the Inquisition a primary enforcement component of that prejudice

[untold swallow]

I mean I am mostly asking 'is it literally impossible'

[vital barn]

probably not, inqs are odd

anime catgirl but fucked up and gothic, maybe

[untold swallow]

(For the player in my W&G game who's in here, no, Heljarch is not a ratling tho that'd be funny)

[charred bridge]

This inquisitor is not 3 ratings Ina trenchcoat

[vital barn]

I am realising that my techpriest does have a very stereotypical anti-heretek setup because his main melee weapon is literally just a stick that makes you sad

bonk, stop

[charred bridge]

Not the deppression baton

[vital barn]

I will probably do some reflavouring on the wargear because I'm either ending up with two Electroleech Staves or one staff and one power spear, and that's kind of begging to be turned into something that looks less weird

power spear covered in filaments so it can drain people, maybe

grab someone with your offhand and pull out all their bioelectricity

[untold swallow]

I do gotta ask Misc

[floral herald]

One of those tufted spears but the filaments tase people

[vital barn]

well, they reverse tase you

[untold swallow]

How would you be wielding two big sticks at the same time xD

[vital barn]

they actually aren't two-handed, the two-handed tag is surprisingly rare

[untold swallow]

Huh

[vital barn]

but if I did end up with two different sticks I would probably do some reflavouring so the moveset doesn't look like an Elden Ring meme build

I may just go with one really good stick

[tired cairn]

Wow, how are new inquisitors ever minted if that is the requirement. They seem so spread thin that they would rarely meet a candidate and when there are two inquisitors in the same area, they are probably working cross-purpose and hate each other

[stark cypress]

I need to buy more rats

Like how many rats is too much rats?

[floral herald]

They have conclave meetups every so often for recruitment

Conclaves are basically their working groups

[charred bridge]

Inquisitors also have cliques at times

[vital barn]

also I believe a lot of them are inquisitors going "so I've got a new guy, he's cool, can two of my least hated colleagues sign off on him kthxbye"

[charred bridge]

There are like little subfactions of every ordos of like purists vs radical inquisitors

[tired cairn]

I wonder if they just favor trade "I'll endorse your interrogator if you endorse mine"

[floral herald]

I also don’t think they need to be in person, you just need to be signed off on in triplicate

[floral herald]

They do a lot yeah

[untold swallow]

I do have some leeway in regards to my Inquisitor's Interrogators cuz one (Misc dont you fuckin click this) ||Xanthist|| and two he's on the wrong side of the Cicatrix

[stark cypress]

Yeah, ranging from Eisenhorns to "Imma use a Daemon Host!" Inquisitors.

[floral herald]

You also get Interrogators intentionally playing nice with other Inquisitors to get their vote and such

[vital barn]

I was hovering over the spoiler before I properly processed the sentence

[stark cypress]

The Dameon Host users don't last long.

[vital barn]

reflex at this point

[floral herald]

On the scale from Gregor Eisenhorn to Gregor Eisenhorn :p

[charred bridge]

Never ask an inquisitor about their Aeldari girlfriend

[stark cypress]

Look, if the Emperor's son can have one then everyone else can have one.

DEMS THE RULES!

[tired cairn]

I guess once you get two interrogators promoted, you might be able to collude with them to keep making more. But there might be protections against that

[vital barn]

pyramInq scheme

recruit two interrogators who each recruit two interrogators who each....

[stark cypress]

Make a super interrogator

It's a fucking megazord of paranoia and religious zealotry.

Wait. No. That can describe at least multiple people in the Imperium.

[charred bridge]

That's pretty much everyone in the imperium

[vital barn]

I think "there's a subverted inquisitor who is promoting all the wrong fucking guys" was an All Guardsman Party arc

[charred bridge]

Except maybe some astartes chapters

[vital barn]

infinite dipshit interrogators

[charred bridge]

Some chapters follow the Imperial truth and not the Imperial Cult

[stark cypress]

It's great they retconned the Ultra's and their successors worshipping Robute.

[charred bridge]

Or is it the Imperial Creed, one turned into the other

[charred bridge]

That's really funny

[stark cypress]

I don't know what they were trying to do with the whole 'Spiritual Liege' thing.

[charred bridge]

Gulliman cringing about learning the whole eccelesiarchy and Emperor remembering how much the Emp's hated worship, only to find his son's now worship him.

Ultra deppression

[stark cypress]

Gulliman: WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!?

[tired cairn]

That would have been funny

[floral herald]

I mean, that stuff’s still around

[stark cypress]

Oh my god

No

[floral herald]

Lots of Guilliman cults in the Ultra’s successors

[tired cairn]

He already has a lot of that type of stuff lol

[floral herald]

It’s a little more on the downlow since big bobby blue thinks it’s “cringe” or something but it’s around

[tired cairn]

Maybe everyone found it really awkward when he woke back up and quietly stopped. "Oh, err, it was more of a metaphorical thing. Sorry about that"

[charred bridge]

I like to think Jagahatai Khan came back during 30k at some point, saw the state and direction of the Imperium's inevitable fate then decided to bounce back into the webway to fight the good fight elsewhere. That would be the funniest exchange if somehow Gulliman actually fixes parts of the Imperium and Khan just appears out of nowhere being like "nice job, now we can start doing stuff to steer humanity right"

Cue Gulliman going into a rage for Khan just waiting it out until things got better

It's copium but I want 40k to do a AoS , have every faction's win condition happen at once and power scale another several tiers.

[stark cypress]

Or things going into a TTS direction, raging at Dorn for actually still being alive but in hiding.

Gulliman: WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU WERE POSING AS A VERY LARGE CENTURION!

[tired cairn]

I suspect it's too much of a cash cow for them to rush End Timeing 40k

Dorn is just stomping around in something that looks like a dreadnaught

[charred bridge]

This dreadnought is very knowledgeable at building walls and knows every inch of Terra's defense

[stark cypress]

Imperial Fist: I feel like I've seen that Centurion before?

Aquillion Shield: ... (saynothingsaynothingsaynothing)

[broken dew]

ok this art project of my chapter master is coming along pretty well

[thin ibex]

Honestly I'm pretty against 40k going into aos territory, personally

[charred bridge]

says a joke

Oh good one, I almost thought you were somehow connected to Dorn

[charred bridge]

Well Warhammer Fantasy was as until the cash cow stopped

[tired cairn]

Yeah, but did they AoS' before or after it stopped being a cash cow?

[charred bridge]

Restarted it with AoS for the moneys
And now they're doing stuff for Fantasy now too

[tired cairn]

Yeah, if 40k stops making money I can seem them doing that maaybe

[charred bridge]

I would bet on Games Workshop doing it if 40k profits dropped enough

Primaris 40k

[floral herald]

Technically speaking the 40K AoS already happened with HH they just didn’t drop the original line

[charred bridge]

Couldn't you use certain models from fantasy in AoS or repurpose them.

[glad spear]

These blue skaven are ultramarines yup

[charred bridge]

I forgot that happened, it's been a part of the setting for so long I just assumed HH was a core part of the series then I remember 40k at its very start was much less coherent and almost entirely satire

[upper canopy]

See the thing I disagree with is I think AoS being separate from Fantasy would have been a good thing for it and I think HH has absolutely devasted 40k

[thin ibex]

has it?

[upper canopy]

Yes

[thin ibex]

or i guess expand on that

i don't see it

[upper canopy]

I think most of the problems of modern 40k stem from HH

The marine focus, the unironic Imperium heroism, Primarchs being the only actual real important characters, the lack of design creativity in models

[desert jay]

I think even 2e had a marine focus

[upper canopy]

There's always been a Marine focus

[stark cypress]

It's just the marine focus is overshadowing everybody else

[upper canopy]

But I mean like, modern 40k is by far and away naked and clear about Space Marines being the only real faction

[desert jay]

I was hedging a statement on OG Rogue Trader because it's real hard to say it has any sort of focus

[stark cypress]

Ursula Creed who? Like come on, we literally have Creed's daughter waging a guerrilla war on broken Cadia.

[sour sequoia]

I’m honestly largely fine with heresy but the bleedover has been crazy

[stark cypress]

Tau Empire and Enclaves are a bad move away from war

The Imperium is spilt in two between Gulliman Imperium with Terra and then the other Imperium with the unlucky bastards there.

The Necron are waking up and the flipping Eldar made a new god.

Like hello!

There's a lot of shit there but it always circles back to the Marines.

[upper canopy]

who cares, 4 more novels about Brother Brothercus Bolting Boltily down the stairs

[stark cypress]

NO! I refuse! Please give the guard authors more stuff to play with!

Abnett is good!!!

[charred bridge]

What we need is a War of the Beast 2 /s

But 24 books with even more authors

[rocky shale]

Apparently the new corsair book is pretty good which means that we've moved to an alternate timeline

[untold swallow]

lol

It's apparently also kind of gay

[stark cypress]

I...mean it's elves.

[untold swallow]

At least if the chud shitfits are to be believed

[stark cypress]

When have elves not engage in homoerotic tension?

[charred bridge]

Gasp the Aeldari who birthed slaanesh would gay?!

Hold up is this the same writer who wrote a trans necron

Cause if so, based

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408452338622267401/1427972963885645966/also-the-emperor-lets-men-receive-his-seed-v0-zraqmqx5f8vf1.jpg?ex=68f0cef5&is=68ef7d75&hm=fcba4ed8155e0de8c17ab3101d1a095fa0c79da3ed074e4eafa1fd3710af6e1a&

[charred bridge]

Oh it is, based Mike Brooks

[broken dew]

i'm having a blast with this art ngl, working on the power fists rn

[mild glen]

A good xenos book, you say? Time to find the budget!

[paper bluff]

Hey, now The necrons count is xenos, and they have banger after banger book

[upper bluff]

"FULL GAY"

It was only half gay before

[charred bridge]

The 2 necron book writers just throw out fire after fire

[sour sequoia]

Dead Men Walking is fire necrons for not being a xenos book

[stark cypress]

I want a PDF book

[sour sequoia]

Making necrons the antagonists in a krieg book fucking RIPPED

[stark cypress]

Like a dedicated PDF book because the PDF is always bearing the brunt before the Imperium shows up.

[finite compass]

Only PDF stuff I can remember is some of the ancilliary Ghosts books

Or set in the same universe

Like Titanicus

Where one of the viewpoint characters is a PDF trooper

That was basically called up for her equivalent of a National Guard thing a week ago and then suddenly she's fighting titans

Also Double Eagle with the PDF pilots

[pale narwhal]

Double Eagle is great

[broken dew]

Yeah i'm rather pleased with how this turned out

added Death Guard armor touches from both Tartaros and Cataphractii terminators

[stark cypress]

Noice

[broken dew]

He ended up looking like a sturdy lad which was the intent so i'm pleased

[hollow laurel]

ooh

Very nice

[charred bridge]

Im reading some Dark Imperium and man Gulliman as a point with a member of the ecceliarchy that I think fits well with terminus decree

[broken dew]

Depressed Tax-Demigod vs. The Church that worships his dad

[charred bridge]

He mentioned how if the God Emperor got off the throne and said he was not a God he would be declared a heretic and hunted, even Gulliman isnt safe as a literal son of the Emperor. He pondered with great internal conflict that maybe the best course of action is he stays seated powering the Astronomicon as if he stood up, Gulliman could not stop big E from trying to dismantle worship in Imperium as is and would basically death sentence

[broken dew]

Yeah

[stark cypress]

_>

I feel like the Ten Thousand would have some words about that

[broken dew]

Must be omega depressing for what's left of Big E

[charred bridge]

I havent read that yet

What does 10000 say

[broken dew]

Presumably that you can in fact not try to kill the Emperor

On pain of death

It ought be mentioned

The Custodes are very very good at killing

[charred bridge]

Until the plot demands otherwise

[stark cypress]

The Harlequin's being able to breach the Emperor's sanctum without being swarmed by the sisters, Lucifers, Fists, Custodes, and Palatine's is so fucking dumb.

[main pagoda]

the beast rises gets a bit wacky

[charred bridge]

Like a pair of 2 minotaur space marines killed a Custodes

Which is just ludicrous

[broken dew]

There's literally no point in having the Custodes if you're gonna fodder the Legiones Custodes as a whole if the Emperor ever decides to stand up

[charred bridge]

They're the setting's vegeta/superman

Someone kills an Custodes to establish they're strong

[stark cypress]

They shouldn't die to Krillin

Krillin should die to Vegeta

[merry lagoon]

Big E just wants large men to stand near him

[broken dew]

There is no point having the op golden banana guards if they can't do any guarding

[charred bridge]

The number of custodes killed by like less than 20 space marines is quite a bit

[broken dew]

This is utterly obscene yeah

Genuinely stupid

[charred bridge]

They're golden ad mech

Ad mech units despite in lore quite powerful especially if it's a magos get stomped often

So far rarely any ad mech besides Cawl has a W in a fight

[broken dew]

I just think if you're gonna Worf anyone

Don't do it to the Emperors personal perfect ultra super soldier guard squad

I'm not gonna think it's cool

I'm just gonna think you're a pillock for doing it

[stark cypress]

Do it at least to the Lucifer Blacks.

[broken dew]

Yeah

[vital barn]

Custodes really aren't chumped that often

two or more marines managing to gank a custard cream in a fight where the rest of the Custodes blend a whole bunch of them really isn't that bad

at that point you're just complaining that they die when they fight other tabletop armies

[charred bridge]

Tbf a lot of those instances was before Custodes had their power level established so many writers wrote them as better space marine but not primarch level as they didnt have much of a reference

[vital barn]

the harlequins thing and the one unarmed world eater one-punching one were both from before modern custodes

[charred bridge]

Word bearers killed a few several times

[vital barn]

that was Gal Vorbak, that's totally fair

[main pagoda]

yeah

[vital barn]

being ganged up on by 2-3x your number in elite possessed is a perfectly reasonable way for anyone to go out

and tabletop GV have custodes stats with worse gear

[charred bridge]

Oh yea that guy has a Custodes trophy wall

[vital barn]

their power level has been pretty consistent since TFH, it's just that that power level is slightly lower than a lot of people seem to think

[charred bridge]

I will accept that Custodes weren't made to fight a war, they were made to protect the Emperor and provide him counsel

[vital barn]

they're very good and very scary, but high-powered and supported battle automata, big nids, a superior number of elite marines and so on can absolutely fight them without needing to just zerg rush

[charred bridge]

So these Custodes that do leave Terra often are sent out alone

[vital barn]

which guy is this?

[charred bridge]

Gal Vorbak?

I meant metaphorical not literal wall of custodes

[vital barn]

Gal Vorbak means "Blessed Sons", it's the name for the Word Bearers unit of super-possessed

it's not a guy

[charred bridge]

Oh that makes more sense then

[vital barn]

they had the custodes about 2-1 and half the WB still died

[charred bridge]

I will say Aquilan Shields are a funny idea, most people never see a space marine and its like a once in generations type of event to the point some guards doubt they exist at all and a Custodes is like a much bigger deal than that. And then some Custodes just protect random guys based on what the doomscryers say.

This custode will protect you until they doomscryers say otherwise and you have no choice

[floral herald]

Yeah they’re kinda over-hyped in the fandom

[vital barn]

honestly I'm quite pleased with where the Custodes are in lore, I just wish the authors had more words than "perfect", "flawless" etc. to describe them fighting because it gets a bit boring after the fifth paragraph

[floral herald]

Barring Emperor Sync Mode

[vital barn]

and also makes it hard to envision them getting beaten up by daemon engines or whatever, as happens fairly often

I think the only time they genuinely hit Fandom Custodes level outside the insane warp xianxia bits of TEATD was the time five of them stood in the lava level from Silksong and chopped through a whole hive ship + Swarmlord

[floral herald]

I am digging all the names for their showing in TEATD

[vital barn]

it got names?

[floral herald]

I just mean warp xianxia and such

I don’t think there’s an official name Abnett just describes it

[vital barn]

many things are xianxia, it's a solid comparison point for a lot of media once you're familiar with it

Lensman is Burger Xianxia, for instance

[desert jay]

Some of it is also like... Space Marines are also way stronger in fluff than on the tabletop

[vital barn]

lots of weird bloodline stuff and a lot of Courting Death

plus massive escalation over and over

[desert jay]

If Custodes are like 80% better than an Astartes, then yeah 5 of them taking down a Swarmlord is just at the high end of fluff Astartes

[vital barn]

I think what's actually happened is that Custodes have just taken the top range of Fluff Astartes stuff and made it their baseline that's stuck to pretty reliably

[floral herald]

Swarmlord is also kind of THE jobber

[vital barn]

aside from Fucking Calgar, I haven't seen as many absurd marine feats lately because the custard creams do all of it

[desert jay]

Math also checks out for that theory

[vital barn]

it's actually a lot less annoying when the custodes level of Fluff Omnicompetence is kept pretty consistent and limited to that level than it is with random marines throwing out uberfeats

you know how good they are and killing the three chumps from the squad so that Veteran Sarge and Plucky Newbie can complete the objective actually matters

[floral herald]

Or the hive mind knows that everyone loves to fight big guys and made a sword anglerfish lure

[desert jay]

But even outside individual feats of strength you do see stuff like "1 company vs 1 million Nids" (most of which are 'gaunts, but still)

[thin ibex]

That custodes can do absolute baller shit alone and can likely be seen as one man armies does not mean that they are always able to do that

[vital barn]

there was that one in Dawn of Fire who just got two-tapped by a knight armiger and that was the end of that

[thin ibex]

It's within their abilities, less so their default, always-on setting

[vital barn]

turns out you just need Bigger Jurgen

[broken dew]

Jurgen the GOAT

[brittle salmon]

Jurgen 2

[mild glen]

Right, but they're Necrons.

(This is a joke, I have no specific beef regarding Necrons)

(Whenever somebody is performing outside of the expected power scaling, I just imagine that they're rolling especially well/poorly)

[untold swallow]

So Wrath & Glory has given none of its ranged weapons the two-handed keyword

which

is a keyword, not a weapon trait

for

some reason

[desert jay]

Does W&G have lascannons?

[untold swallow]

It does

And volleyguns

and heavy bolters

and assault cannons

wait no not assault cannons

[floral herald]

My vague recollection is that W&G is pretty loose with hands and instead makes it hard to use more than one weapon at a time

[pastel rampart]

brb gonna dual wield HBs

[untold swallow]

I am getting uniquely boned by this problem (hypothetically, none of my players are dickish enough to exploit this) because like

Now I gotta

hand adjudicate

all this shit for the weapons they have

[desert jay]

Maybe I just wanna pose with dual lascannons. Maybe fire them dramatically into the air

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/gundam-double-x-gundam-gif-22616248

[brittle salmon]

Oh also @floral herald i got roped into playing heavy weapon medic man again (kind of)

[floral herald]

Haha

What now?

[brittle salmon]

Iron Hands Techmarine entombed in a set of Gorgon Pattern Terminator Armour

He's mostly good at Medicae by proxy but he is still good at it

[vital barn]

not to be confused with the techpriest heavy weapon melee man who merely has a totally disposable assault cannon

I think you are a little better at requisitioning stuff than I am, granted, so it might take a while before I have my full complement of mechadendrites and arms for expendable guns

especially if I spend infinity cash on the Paragon Stick

[untold swallow]

Hey, you rolled up a palatine and then switched to being a techmarine

XD

[brittle salmon]

lmao

true

Misc convinced me to do Medicae stuff afterwards

[vital barn]

I think I have tech tests covered, if nothing else

[untold swallow]

meanwhile the other two party members are Heavy Weapons Woman

And a phobos librarian

[vital barn]

with the framework ordo buff I roll something like 10+[2xRank] for tech, the vox will play my favourite radio show

[brittle salmon]

Hot damn

[vital barn]

this was why I suggested you might not want to max it

since I'm going to do this either way because it's also my only social capability

1/session I can lead a beautiful soaring aria in the OSRS soundfont that makes all who hear it weep and then I'm back to Fellowship 1

[brittle salmon]

Beautiful

[vital barn]

everyone stop fighting, the Omnissiah demands that you chill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkR7zClEkAo

[west zealot]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/qbrdkglz/belisarius-cawl-attempts-to-bridge-the-great-rift-in-a-new-black-library-book/

New guy Hayley cawl book

Haley's not my favorite bl author, I think he's pretty average, but he does nail Cawl being fun

[past sphinx]

fellow nightlords enjoyers should malcarion the warsage's dreadnought be chaos corrupted or no

[desert jay]

Well, my favorite bl author is-- [is shot]

[mild glen]

Noah Van Nguyen, right?

[desert jay]

I was making a joke about the other sort of BL books

[charred bridge]

That one book with the demon thing was written by Graham McNeill which also did episodes of Arcane

The duality of writer

[mild glen]

Oh! that BL. I'm so ace I forgot that existed.

[west zealot]

I don't know the reference?

[mild glen]

||Boy's Love||

[west zealot]

Ah. Had never heard of it

[mild glen]

You've probably heard it referred to as ||"Yaoi"||

[west zealot]

Oh, right, sorry I thought it was a specific title and not a joke on the same initials

[broken dew]

Was looking at Gene Flaws on Lexicanum and i found it very funny that all the other flaws get explanations and the Excoriators just have the darkness

[main pagoda]

no I think it should just be a normal NL dread.

[broken dew]

gonna add more details and such

added some insignias

[pastel rampart]

https://www.kkinstagram.com/reel/DP1-nSLiN2E/

[broken dew]

not the Furby Gargant 😭

not sure what to do with the round bits on the shoulders, they look like they oughta have symbols but i'm not sure precisely what to put

[west zealot]

MORk! HehEHEHEHehe!

[broken dew]

made a normal skulls version and one featuring the insignias of the specialized units except the medicae

[pastel rampart]

Rebasing and magnetizing the BA army.

Unfortunately I ran out of 5-minute epoxy to fully cement the magnets so I gotta get more.

[broken dew]

nice

[pastel rampart]

The material inside the clamshell case is magnetic sheeting, which isn't the most ideal material for magnetization. You want either sheet metal (cookie sheets from the dollar store work) or "flexible steel" ferrous magnetic sheet which has a really strong bond.

[broken dew]

are you mixing plastic and metal cast parts

[pastel rampart]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00M1UAF6G Stuff like this, which is unfortunately not cheap to source in the US unless you buy it in bulk rolls.

[pastel rampart]

Yeah. It's an "oldhammer" style retro BA army so some models are metal and others are plastic or resin, depending on how cheap I can get'em.

[broken dew]

neat

[pastel rampart]

Metal is mostly heroes though one assault squad is 50/50 metal and plastic models.

Well, and scouts.

[broken dew]

fair nuff

[pastel rampart]

I'm not crazy enough to do a full metal army, hah.

I'm also somewhat flexible on the exact representation here--you might note I have more modern(ish) heavy bolters for a squad, but that's because I nabbed a pack for just a couple bucks and figured why not.

[broken dew]

honestly reasonable

[pastel rampart]

I also used cataphractii lightning claws for a unit of termies because I think they look sick as fuck.

[broken dew]

they do look sick as hell

the wolverine style ones that you might see on an indomitus are just

not as cool

this is good

however this is way cooler

[pastel rampart]

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/qH0AAOSwcqNmnF81/s-l400.jpg I think the original metal ones look pretty alright but yeah, big fingies is the cooler option

[broken dew]

yeah those are cool

but the Cataphractii are still cooler

reminds me of The Emperors big fuck off power claw hand

[broken dew]

yeah loving doing art

[deft crest]

Anyone with the new Drukhari codex, Are there harlequin models in that book or do I have to use index for em

Debating on if its even worth buying the codex or if i should just borrow someones and take pics of the Crusade section and thats it lmao

[tepid stratus]

Harlies are in the Aeldari codex not drukhari

[deft crest]

Ahh

Ty ty

[floral herald]

It’s only worth buying the codexes as a premium on lore imo

Since balance dataslates invalidate the rules bit by bit after some months

[deft crest]

Mmmm sounds like i just need some page photos of the Crusade rules then

[jaunty dawn]

Theyll eventually be on wahapedia too

[thin ibex]

I think the crusade splat books don't end up on waha, I may be wrong, but the faction specific crusade rules do show up on wahapedia

[floral herald]

Also YMMV for this since personally I just hate tabbing books to indicate where they’re wrong, I want clean manuscripts

[thin ibex]

In all cases, waha doesn't really store lore

[hollow laurel]

Bitch uses a Hot-Shot Volley Gun as an SMG.

Rhi the Kobold Bun (She/Her) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161696278640594954 message) meanwhile the other two party members are Heavy Weapons Woman

[deft crest]

yeag but you see I don't need lore. Everything important is made up by me in my head
/joke

[main pagoda]

they do afaik

[floral herald]

https://www.reddit.com/r/killteam/s/wKF8kM1sVe

New FAQ/balance stuff

Good nerfs to Canoptek

Wow they’re really hitting ways to ignore Piercing

Smokes, harlequins, Salvationist field,

Maybe some more

Lots of nerfs to strong teams and a few buffs for weaker ones

Also I think the long terror of Warpcoven is over

Same with Sanctifiers

[tepid stratus]

Node matrix not going through walls in close quarters is still brutal

Scouts got good buffs tho

[floral herald]

It was never supposed to, I never ran it that way myself

Happy for scouts

I think Sanctifiers may like

Suck now

They’re getting hit in so many places

[tepid stratus]

It makes playing close quarters really fucking hard. You're basically forced into going all in on one hallway/room at a time because of it

[floral herald]

Barring some somewhat more open maps yeah you gotta concentrate your firebase for buffs

You can make 2 matrices with the Geomancer in an emergency and such though

[tepid stratus]

Sure but that's one activation of buffs, gotta hope it counts

[floral herald]

CC has a lot of really vicious shooting, it probably does

They’re probably the strongest team in the game ATM I’m not that worried about them not getting wallbang privileges

I think they’re still going to be highly competitive

Losing the 4APL queen bitch of the universe geomancer and the ability to heal for 7d3 kinda bites but like

Did they need those powers?

[tepid stratus]

I'd take all those nerfs in exchange for matrix through walls in a heartbeat

Tbh while I rocked 4apl girl boss I never abused the extra healing, that was a blatant oversight

[floral herald]

Yeah it made the walkers so hard to kill

I wanna double check the rules to make sure it doesn’t already work that way but I think they can use breach points for the matrix

Which I think is fine

[tepid stratus]

Only if the breach is open. Still leads to janky measuring shenanigans like with doors

[floral herald]

Does it?

Like the “bendy matrix” to go through doors?

[tepid stratus]

From my understanding yes you measure it the same way

But I may be wrong

[floral herald]

I think that’s right

I should cut some 6” cord for measuring the matrix

[deft crest]

OOOF

the matrix rules are still stupidly unclear

[tepid stratus]

Yeah they come with a 6" stick making you think it's a straight line but on CC maps it's measured in true distance

It's messy

[floral herald]

The stick is cute but yeah

[deft crest]

Oh yay you always get reserc points for yaegirs now

[floral herald]

They’re funky on TW

[tepid stratus]

It's why I want it to go through walls, it saves so many headaches

[floral herald]

I love em they’re one of my favorite teams

I think the current state is awkward but probably better for balance

[deft crest]

OHHH woooo kasirkin buffs!!!

[tepid stratus]

They've been super fun to play yeah but CC maps feel heavily handicapped. Rolling into hand if the archon and exaction squad on CC maps has been brutal

[deft crest]

Fuckin, We get free AP action start of FF phase

that rules

thats a great change

also

thank god its finally useable against most factions you'd play into

[tepid stratus]

Funny enough I've never played my kasrkin for themselves. I've only used them as goons for inquisition

[deft crest]

Vox scream too good

[floral herald]

This is the map layout I played but I felt just fine into Wrekas with em on this

[deft crest]

Scarper more free snipers made better

[floral herald]

(I was orange side if it matters)

[deft crest]

Grrr raveners CP gain hit for some reason

[floral herald]

Yeah that was weird

[deft crest]

gw we weren't killing it that hard

[floral herald]

Raveners was good but not top tier

And they’re pretty CP hungry

[deft crest]

They didn't even like

Give me a replacement for the equipment thats ass

[floral herald]

The biggest loser is definitely Warpcoven or Sanctifiers

[deft crest]

the "IF YOU ARE BOTH NEAR TUNNEL REROLL YOUR INIT"

[floral herald]

They did it’s krak grenades :p

[floral herald]

That equipment is so bad though

[deft crest]

i know its just like Ughhh

Yeah i know you just take grenades but still

[floral herald]

It’s weird yeah

Since you have some extremely good faction equipment

And then like a designated do not take one

[deft crest]

Weird voiddancer change. Not like i'm REALLY relying on that severe but

[floral herald]

Piercing 2 working on them is also funky

[deft crest]

yeah

[floral herald]

I don’t think it matters too much

I can’t think of many piercing 2 weapons which aren’t also meltas with a huge Devastating rating

Maybe the Geomancer stick?

[deft crest]

Uhhhhh

I think that and like

Breaching charge on the yeagir rocket??

MAYBE?

nope thats P1

I always forget the ladder is 1"

not 2

[floral herald]

Same honestly

I barely use the ladders

[deft crest]

I use em for a couple of teams just to make the initial turn movements better.

that said now we don't have extra equipment baring 3 factions so

[floral herald]

Same I think I just play a lot of teams without much need for em

[deft crest]

The matrix being bendy is fucked to me still tbh

[floral herald]

Or with a lot of competition for equipment

[tepid stratus]

The breach points I feel make a big difference here. Half my CC games have been on gallowdark and that map is hell with its fewer access points

[floral herald]

Ohhhh

Yeah that explains our different feelings super well

They probably feel super constricted on Gallowdark

[tepid stratus]

You feel it on tomb world, but on gallowdark it's just a straight up handicap. "Here's my one murder room! Oh you're just going to go anywhere else and body anything not in the murder room? Fuck"

Less access points to try to get matrices through

Honestly I don't think there's a single team as affected by map picks as CC is. It's hilarious how good they are on beta dhecima and pathetic how hampered they are on gallowdark

[floral herald]

Oh huh, what makes them so good on BD?

(I’ve never played BD)

[tepid stratus]

BD has no cover. It's only gimmick is you can't shoot from the platforms to the ground floor if the distance is larger than 4"

So equipment picks get spent on barricades

[thin ibex]

Aren't the pathfinders impacted by big sight line changes?

[floral herald]

They are but they’re also guard action enjoyers

[tepid stratus]

So seek on the tremorglave is really good and the defensive ploys let you play riskier than other teams can

[floral herald]

So it’s less of a delta

[floral herald]

Makes sense

[tepid stratus]

Tomb crawlers do great on it for trading with the enemy's good shooters

[floral herald]

Makes sense as well

Tomb crawlers are such ranged bullies

[tepid stratus]

Fear the salvagers tho. The jetpack dwarf will eat tomb crawlers for breakfast

[floral herald]

Oh?

[spice flicker]

Was debating between these three for an upcoming crusade. Which of these 750 points starting armies look like they could be a better starting spot and possibly more fun: agents, sisters, or guard?

[wet grotto]

Id recommend not picking agents

[mental birch]

Guard probably

I think agents is fun potentially

but I'm the idiot who won a game against Grey Knights with Demons

having killed 0 models

[desert jay]

If it's for Crusade then Agents might be perfectly fine

[mental birch]

crusade still builds off the kill things and survice

and like Agents feel like an army that leans on slowly dying

[sour sequoia]

I gotta look at their crusade rules, Guard/Tyranids/GSC have mechanics to negate the constant attrition but Agents may really not have them and most of their gameplay at any level is infiltrating 60 wounds of 4++

Agents still kinda mostly exists to say they have rules for killteams

I think the sisters or guard ones are solid and you won’t be fighting the game the whole time

[spice flicker]

My concern with agents is their durability and ability to deal with armor outside a few options. Guard i will admit I am hesistant about due to last time I saw them in crusade, the player went heavy into artillery and had an absolutely miserable experience and I tabled the guy more than once as chaos knights.

One of my other concerns for all three I am considering is an idea that the organizer was tossing around that made me confused and slightly concerned. The organizer thought victory points and random secondaries are stupid in crusade and loathes them to the point of just getting rid of them all together since they dont make sense narratively to him.

Agents do seem more tactical and objective minded which seems neat and can field a ragtag mix of an army. Guard can being quite a bit of heavy firepower and tanks which is also appealing. Sisters I have never played but they seem neat and that was part of why I considered them as well as the idea of the crusade force champion unit eventually obtaining sainthood potentially.

[rocky shale]

Agents does have some really crazy crusade buffs if you can keep your inquisitors earning xp

[spice flicker]

Which is part of why for the agents list I had the Inquisitor be in terminator plate and was going to pair it with the deathwatch until I can get some Grey knight terminators.

[sour sequoia]

that middle bit is wild you do VP in the game to determine winners because otherwise you're just playing to table the other guy in which case, Death Guard and Knights

You don't do regular tactical secondaries from matched play, the bundles of agendas are your secondaries

[spice flicker]

Yeah which is something I pointed out to him but as he tried to argue against "you can have overall objectives and missions but objective markers and VP make no sense from a narrative perspective and I find it stupid." I am very much in the camp of keeping VP and objectives but im not the organizer so who knows.

Oh I know that, i organized my group's last crusade using the Pariah Nexus rules. The organizer just doesnt play much outside of crusade and that fan made horde mode poorhammer made. This is his first time being the organizer rather than just a player.

Regarding the three armies i was looking at, here are what I was thinking of aiming for by the time we reach 2000 points.

[tired cairn]

The real answer is that objective markers and VP are an abstraction. The funny answer is that everyone on the 40k universe is a dumbass who would probably fight over objective markers and VP

[floral herald]

And just let the heretics have our victory points!!!

We’d lose if they have more

[spice flicker]

Exactly for the Imperium we can not let these xenos have the points needed for our victory.

[sour sequoia]

objective markers are literally more sensible than everybody dickslamming over the Hybrid-Manufactorum-Church-Hab Block #5374 huh wuh

thats. thats the Take The Hill/Secure Comms/Supply Depots points

wild

[spice flicker]

Yeah the whole stance is wild from my perspective as I dont see anything wrong with the objective markers and VP.

[main pagoda]

it is really what do you do in place of it

[spice flicker]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[floral herald]

I don’t think there is anything wrong with them

I just think it’s funny to imagine them as diegetic

[thin ibex]

Objective marker = "something of tactical value" pretty much

[rocky shale]

Also if you replace objective markers/VP then basically all of the crusade missions break

At which point you're just playing fuck around with models until someone gets tabled

[mild glen]

If the organizer wants objective markers to make narrative sense, all they have to do is paint, like, ammo caches or radios or boxes of medicine or a crashed stasis pod or whatever, plop them on a 40mm base and boom onjective marker that makes narrative sense.

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rvbxTRJbgk

[pale narwhal]

Ooooh

[main pagoda]

looks great

im holding out hope its a lokhir rework in there as well

[pastel rampart]

https://whfb.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/f/fd/Dechala_M01.jpg

Definite glow-up from her original model.

She hasn't shown up since 5th ed whfb.

[floral herald]

Snersons whoa

[main pagoda]

a much needed slaanesh roster injection

[untold swallow]

That is fucking amazing

[untold swallow]

I am jealous of you having two metal librarians that's so cool

[pastel rampart]

Three actually, I have a metal librarian termie

[crimson solar]

did some cleanup in my random stuff folder and found this beautiful relic

[pastel rampart]

https://youtu.be/2UTrZzdEkTk?si=2oJb0WlSjniTQJdP

[mild glen]

So. I finally finished The Hollow King and feel like I should pick up a new book.
I would greatly prefer something that isn't Boring Invincible Hero for the first 2/3rds. Any suggestions?

[pale narwhal]

I'm curious to see what it is bc I own a scouts team lmao

the ambushes being combined is nice tho

[stark cypress]

Do they still make the boxes for the Krieg Kill Team or are they gone?

[floral herald]

I think they're OOP (for kill team)

They'll probably still be available as a bighammer box

[stark cypress]

Ah

This makes me mad

[rocky shale]

That's how they said it would work a long while ago.

[stark cypress]

_>

[rocky shale]

Not like you can't just print out the couple of tokens you need

[stark cypress]

You mean to tell me that every kill team is in FOMO territory???

[rocky shale]

Yeah they've said they'll cycle out of frequently rules updates after a couple years

The kit isn't going away they just won't be like supported for major tournaments

[stark cypress]

....

[rocky shale]

The only "fomo" part would be the tokens and cards

Both of which you can easily make yourself

[stark cypress]

I see

Why is GW's business model like this?

[charred bridge]

Grofit

[stark cypress]

I hate Grofit

Can we kick the Git for a better Boss???

[floral herald]

Kiiiiiinda

It’s a 4 year production run excluding ones which are also bighammer

[stark cypress]

All right

[rocky shale]

Supporting rules every kill team ever released would be too much bloat eventually

[floral herald]

Yeah

[rocky shale]

Are there any kill teams that aren't big hammer too?

[floral herald]

It’s cards and kill team production for 4 years and rules support for 9

[floral herald]

Sometimes the kill team boxes have an upgrade sprue the bighammer box doesn’t

I don’t think they do that much anymore

Phobos is one like that for example

[rocky shale]

Ahhh

[floral herald]

I can’t think of any current edition boxes like that though

[vital barn]

after some number crunching and supplement fishing for my Wrath and Glory techpriest I have concluded that the only armour I could possibly find that would be an upgrade on my current suit of Inquisitor-grade power armour are Mk1 Thunder Armour, Custodes Auramite Armour and maybe Tartaros Terminator Armour

everything else needs the Black Carapace or is too cumbersome

I am definitely not finding any of those anytime soon but it is funny to imagine my swordmaster magos advancing on the first Custodian he sees with Trazynous intent

would be a reasonably close-matched fight, too

[stark cypress]

Kill, kill. Quick, quick.