Give Knights vassal infantry!
#Warhammer and Such
desert jay
vital barn
the latter is neatly accomplished by 30k Knights, which simply only get to score objectives if they bring allied Solar Auxilia to represent House Footmen
desert jay
A) Not having to dip into Agents/Demons for objective holders
B) More healthy play patterns, lets anti-infantry (not just the tag) have relevance
C) Having little guys around helps remind you how big the big guys are
vital barn
their native list can get VP from driving enemy units off objectives and by completing Vows, which are +2VP boosters to the stock secondary objectives that each big Knight gets to pick one of, but if you want any kind of predictable VP you need lads
desert jay
(Reason C is actually my favorite reason)
vital barn
I quite like it personally, no HQs required (or allowed, which means you can't just have a better Aux army than the actual Aux)
rocky shale
Give Knights vassal infantry!
Please god
We got T9 armigers sorry that's all the mercy you get
Jkjk I really want feudal dorks for my knights
Even just maybe it like the imperial knights and don't allow doubling up on guns
sour sequoia
I haven’t actually seen a happy knights player in knights meta because its ‘ugh everyone has max kill power now’
yeah cuz your whole faction steamrolls and statchecks and also brutalizes scoring via titanic getting to action and shoot
So everybody is gonna bring 16 lascannons/darklances/power tools and get on with their day
rocky shale
I'm much happier CK player than precodex because precodex was ass but yeah
0% chance they get squatted and maybe 20% chance they get a range expansion to fix their issues
desert jay
The cheap option is IK gets some datasheets that use guard kits and CK gets datasheets that use cultist kits
rocky shale
The cheap option is IK gets some datasheets that use guard kits and CK gets data...
They could just expand the iconoclast fiefdom detachment to the whole army
It's not even a bad detachment it's just kinda overshadowed by infernal lance
desert jay
also glances sideways at Sacristan Forgeshrine
rocky shale
Also you do end up just spamming cultists because your other options (traitor guard and accursed cultists) don't really fill a role
desert jay
Like, the forgeshrine wasn't a great execution but it had some thoughts on the idea of bringing tech priests
rocky shale
The IK one suffers a bit from not being great units without the admech army rule
vital barn
in the Knight books the Sacristans have these big crawler vehicles with repair arms and rows of balloon tyres that follow the knights around
I am surprised they didn't do any of those
rocky shale
The soup detachments are the right idea but fall flat because the datasheets aren't meant to work in the army in the first place
vital barn
give them the classic "driving castle" knightly look and they'd be cool
desert jay
Yeah if the IK one was techpriests instead of skittles, those're at least designed around A) not relying on their army rule* and B) repairs and buffs for vehicles
(*I know they later got the army rule but the initially lacked it and you're not bringing tech-priests primarily for their weapons)
rocky shale
And the CK one is like okay sure 70 cultists is probably good for screening charges on big knights but why would I take ACDC bricks when I can use a karnivore?
desert jay
ACDC?
rocky shale
Accursed cultists with dark commune
desert jay
Ahhh
rocky shale
Solid in csm, no point in souping a fast melee blob into CK when they have karnivores
An also fast, tougher, more murdery blob
And then traitor guard are just more expensive cultists that don't do much more
sour sequoia
Ostensibly I personally don’t mind the knights meta anyways lmao I think every knights I’ve gone into at tourneys gets really excited to plow through bodies before realizing in round 4 they’re gonna get 10 points on primary
Watched a guy sticky his home on linchpin and then leave last time I played knights. I will never get a game that free again 
rocky shale
Ostensibly I personally don’t mind the knights meta anyways lmao I think every k...
I love losing while killing a billion models
rocky shale
Watched a guy sticky his home on linchpin and then leave last time I played knig...
Lmao
spice flicker
If Imperial Agents (or rather just Inquisition) stays as a codex army in 11e i pray they give them an actual army rule and more options for vehicles and anti-armor.
sour sequoia
Putting actual money on merging Grey Knights and IA
spice flicker
Codex Inquisition
untold swallow
and Deathwatch
spice flicker
~~and Deathwatch~~
You know it will be more likely than GK+IA
untold swallow
oh sure, yeah
past sphinx
cant seem to figureout how to to get it more chaosy without just gluing skull shit on it
soft willow
Just skulls won’t work. That’s just death cult imperial. You need skulls and spikes to make it Chaos.
desert jay
Bloodstains and cult sigils
rocky shale
Putting actual money on merging Grey Knights and IA
This is acceptable
With a gk refresh and I'd actually maybe buy GK models
pastel rampart
Cult symbols, spikes, battle damage, weird-ass screaming faces just kinda surfacing across it.
Tentacles and eyeballs.
desert jay
Return to Daemonhunters/Witchhunters style, shove Inquisitors into SK and SOB and SM, and they each get the appropriate named one
desert jay
secretly just plotting to put Greyfax and Celestine in the same book
desert jay
https://tenor.com/view/soviet-union-tanks-red-alert3-red-alert3tanks-soviet-tank...
Oh huh those vehicles look like they're inspired by the Panhard EBR
spice flicker
The apocalypse tank and mammoth tank from red alert 3 and tiberium wars
desert jay
Ah the center wheels aren't as visible in the gif
finite compass
fossil violet
I started my foray into 40k by doing the undercoat on one (1) space marine i obtained at my job
fossil violet
I know it’s not much but I wanted to try out assembling and painting before I commit to anything
fossil violet
I got two marines from a fellow teacher
Are they from the alliance set for educators? That’s how I got mine lol
stark cypress
The what set?
fossil violet
Games Workshop has a box set they’ll ship you if you work in education
stark cypress
Does it also include a thing titled "Battle Honors"?
fossil violet
That sounds familiar yeah
stark cypress
Oh shit
He's gonna try setting up a club then
No wonder he keeps asking me to play KT
I think he might get interest
Showed some of the kids one of my painted stormcasts and they said it was cool.
fossil violet
I have some students who are otherwise not very engaged in school but love painting miniatures
stark cypress
I mean it's fun
I've told the kids it took me about four hours, some of them asked me if it was hard and I told them no.
Because, well, it really isn't.
All the details are there and everything is set up. You just need to prime it and have brush control.
sour sequoia
Sir sir can I have my flashlight back its an antique
untold swallow
Next week is my first game in a west marches DW server I joined
I'm very excited
Consecrators Librarian with a force claymore
dense cradle
Hi! I have a stupid question to ask here, and I hope people can help, because i know almost nothing about 40k.
There's a character from a totally different game, and I was brainstorming what she would look like in a modern AU, and came to the conclusion that she would play wargames — probably mostly historical or fantasy ones, but possibly 40k also? And I want your opinions on what faction she would play.
In both the original context and the AU, she's a clever schemer and general. Her signature effects include "Perfectly Planned" and "Act Underhand". In the original game she's an actual former military general who got set up by a jealous superior and disappeared, but in general a lot of her stuff is just about... being a Clever General, outwitting the opponent. She has some lines talking about speed being of the essence, but mostly, it's about clever planning and patient scheming and deception.
past sphinx
Tau
floral herald
Elves
chilly scroll
Thousand Sons
hardy harness
Genestealers
dense cradle
...also, if we're going by stereotypes, here's her profile.
hardy harness
...okay no I take that back, Thousand Sons
dense cradle
also she looks like this and is implied to be lesbian.
hardy harness
Oh absolutely Thousand Sons then
past sphinx
Tsons.
dense cradle
(that's probably not relevant but the stereotypes get specific sometimes)
floral herald
well in that case Tyranids :p
hardy harness
Idk, Tyranids are too straightforward for a schemer
Genestealers are more subtle, but the Thousand Sons are also subtle afaik while also being super astrologically themed
chilly scroll
Scheming arcane shenanigans more so than just subtlety
hardy harness
Aye, true
dense cradle
she's from a whole faction which is all about divination and star stuff in her origin game, so take that partially with a grain of salt... but I'll look up the Thousand Sons.
floral herald
Idk, Tyranids are too straightforward for a schemer
Tyranids are an anything army and can do subtle or weird
hardy harness
Oh absolutely Thousand Sons then
And you know what, she'd absolutely be the Vezimira flavor of Thousand Sons player
chilly scroll
You could argue Alpha Legion or something as well
dense cradle
And you know what, she'd absolutely be the Vezimira flavor of Thousand Sons play...
What does this mean?
hardy harness
Warhammer artist, likes drawing Ahriman and the Thousand Sons at large as extremely feminine for... reasons I can't recall
vital barn
Conveniently, Thousand Sons come in red and blue variants to suit your taste
30k Emperor's Children also fit here, but not their 40k incarnations
untold swallow
Fuck, I can't get an idea that probably just doesn't work out of my head lol
The idea space marine helmet lenses follow like, spiderverse rules
not as extreme but in a way that'd help them emote
past sphinx
vital barn
not as extreme but in a way that'd help them emote
even if normal marines can't do that I would be unsurprised if Chaos ones could
at least reasonably often
of course a significant subset of that is because their lens is now a weird biomechanical eye that blinks, but hey
dense cradle
I looked up a video complaining about the Thousand Sons and the punchline is that it's actually about ||getting mana screwed while playing the Warhammer 40k Magic cards and the person playing Magnus got Sol Ring||.
past sphinx
coming around to it, it like to spike up the turret of the fellblade and im not sure how to make like 200 spikes
mild glen
also she looks like this and is implied to be lesbian.
I'm still going to say T'au. One that prefers the Kauyon but pretends to be more a student of Mont'ka
mild glen
Ksons aren't allowed to be tricksters. Tzeentch is a trickster, the Ksons are just game piecesthat think they're tricksters
mild glen
They want to break shit
My wife has an affinity for Khorne: can confirm
mild glen
Now if only she'd paint her models or let me teach her the rules instead of being afraid of being bad.
upper bluff
verbal ermine
how BIG is sherma here????
pale narwhal
looks roughly knight-sized to me
broken dew
Yeah that's about knight size methinks
west zealot
Incommodus: ATTENTION: Promethium viewed from afar is known to invoke feelings of reverence for the Omnissiah. CAUTION: Promethium viewed from close range will cause severe bodily harm.
junior robin
http://puu.sh/KC6Tx/5fe4b016c1.jpg
iirc that is built using the original metal great unclean one, which now planted the seed of finding a tank big enough to do a remake with the new plastic one 
deft crest
Vashtorr is sick af
broken dew
Vashtorr the Arkifane is pretty rad
broken dew
forgot how much i missed TTS
shaking my fist in the air cursing the name of James Workshop
floral herald
Vespid are hard to execute on in kill team
They’re so weird
Not super tough
Limited long ranged shooting
No access to APL3
thin ibex
What's their gimmick/ mini game? Vespid i mean
floral herald
What's their gimmick/ mini game? Vespid i mean
Oh man it’s a lot
They have a weird “communion point” mechanic where you have a limited pool of points per round to:
- play the objective
- shoot people more than 8” away
- charge people who aren’t the closest
You also get Piercing 1 when you fly on your guns
And you have perfect flight
And your guns all have Devastating 2
But mostly just hit on 4s
You get 10 guys and a tint buff drone
And they’re relatively tough
I don’t think they’re bad but they’re weird
broken dew
it's REALLY funny looking at this old TTS episode talking about Cawl having "something awesome in the works" and the Emperor saying it won't amount to anything with the hindsight of the Primaris
oh wait this came out right around the time Primaris did apparently
neat
jaunty dawn
Cawl and primaris basically came out at the same time
I think a little bit before tbf but like
He was introduced to be the primaris guy
broken dew
makes sense
jaunty dawn
Even if gathering storm wasnt immediately on the primaris stuff
broken dew
"I find orbital bombardment to be the most effective way of stopping dumb opinions personally. That's something me and the Black Templars could agree on, i'm sure."
"No, the Templars prefer murdering the innocent in close-quarters combat. If you're going to be committing acts of mass homicide, you an at least have the common decency to whip out your halberds"
gods i love TTS
broken dew
i just love how he corrects him on the Black Templars preferred way of purging
broken dew
also somehow it being more decent to personally go about the killing with a sword
rather than blowing them up from range
untold swallow
My Librarian is about to get into an honor duel with a Black Templar in the Deathwatch game I'm in xD
broken dew
Marines Malevolents being second place on the list of chapters that embody hatred the best is so fucking real
nobody hates civilians more than the Marines Malevolent
the Black Templars just happen to hate more things with such fervor than just civilians
stark cypress
All I know is that if they could get away with it.
A few chapters would be stabbing the Malevolents.
untold swallow
DUMPSTER THAT PREACHING HYPOCRITE
What's funny is he's doing it cuz he believes in the Emperor, and that his powers are a gift and test from him.
broken dew
the Marines Malevolent really enjoy doing things like firebombing SoB hospitals full of injured guardsmen
untold swallow
And the Templar called him a Witch in the Watch Station Reclusiam.
broken dew
mind you it was after they used the hospital as a bait for Orks
so the injured guardsmen and SoB got horribly blendered by Orks, then firebombed into oblivion
stark cypress
A few chapters would be stabbing the Malevolents.
All right not just a few chapters. Also a few orders of the Sisters.
broken dew
look
the Marines Malevolent are so unpleasant
the MECHANICUS does not like them
the MECHANICUS finds them to be distasteful
to the point that the Marines Malevolent are still using fucking Horus Heresy era power armor
broken dew
their main armor is literally Mark VI Corvus armor
broken dew
the Mechanicus and other chapters hate them so fucking much they don't even have standard space marine power armor
stark cypress
the Mechanicus and other chapters hate them so fucking much they don't even have...
Even the Minotaurs?
broken dew
do you have any idea how shit you gotta be to have the Mechanicus find you distasteful
the Salamanders specifically just outright hate them
Although the war record of the Marines Malevolent can be described as exemplary, many of their erstwhile wartime allies have questioned this Chapter's conduct in the prosecution of a campaign. Though none would gainsay their effectiveness in battle, several other Space Marine Chapters consider the Marines Malevolent belligerent, antagonistic and wanting in brotherhood with their fellow Adeptus Astartes. This has resulted in many forces of the Imperium refusing to serve alongside this infamous Chapter.
upper canopy
hey salamanders, what's your primarch most famous for
untold swallow
I don't really feel like those are equivalent crimes lmao
broken dew
the Malevolent are specifically known for attacking their allied forces
which is pretty different from killing enemy civilians
At the battle's conclusion I confronted the leader of the Space Marines, Captain Vinyard, and appraised him of my disapproval regarding his battle stratagems. Not only did the captain threaten my life, but he also stated that those who had died in the camp were expendable and acceptable losses. He went on to say that those who would not fight against the Orks and would cower in a camp had no right to live because their freedom was bought with another's blood. Captain Vinyard then expounded fully (and at some length) on his belief in the ultimate supremacy of humanity in war and his Chapter's tenets of belief. Namely that there is no such thing as innocence, merely degrees of guilt. I fully believe that the Marines Malevolent hold Imperial citizens in contempt and perceive themselves to be self-evidently superior to their fellow man. While biologically this may indeed be the case, I feel it is a worrying psychological trait that has not only brought about the deaths of nearly four thousand refugees and members of the Adeptus Ministorum, but shows a worryingly egotistical streak in the command structure of the Marines Malevolent.
here is an excerpt of a Salamander talking about a Marines Malevolent ranting about how wounded soldiers in a medical encampment literally don't deserve to live
oh wait no
it's civilians even
this was a different incident from the hospital
stark cypress
The main issue is that the Malevolents think they're better than humans.
That's a big no bueno in the Imperium.
broken dew
`As you are no doubt aware, this camp currently houses over 12,000 refugees from the destroyed hive and nearly 1,000 members of the Adeptus Ministorum.
I was therefore horrified when the Whirlwind anti-personnel tanks of the Marines Malevolent opened fire on the Orks while they were still within the camp's perimeter. High explosive rockets turned the refugee camp into a storm of shrapnel and when we launched our counter-attack, I saw horrendous collateral damage amongst the camp's population. `
they basically let the Orks attack a civilian refugee camp then gleefully started spamming missiles at the camp killing Orks and civilians alike with full intention of killing as many of both groups as possible
i enjoy the Marines Malevolent specifically because they are such absolutely atrocious fuckwits not even the other fuckheads of the imperium really want anything to do with them
people fucking snitching on them to the Inquisition asking for them to be censored, other chapters wanting literally nothing to do with them, the Mechanicus seemingly not even supplying them at all, hell it seems going off how the Wiki describes it that most imperial forces will just outright refuse to work with them
presumably because they are exceptionally likely to firebomb any non-astartes folks they are working with
untold swallow
I struggle to imagine how they still exist
stark cypress
High Lord intervention probably
broken dew
Black Templars are fuckheads, Dark Angels are fuckheads, Minotaurs are major fuckheads, but they are supplied, seem to be able to work with other chapters reasonably, and presumably have some functioning relationship with the Imperial Guard
all things which the Marines Malevolent do not have
because they are absolute fucking plonkers to the extreme
which is very funny
stark cypress
High Lord intervention probably
'Cause the Minotaurs fucked around with a couple of both 1st and 2nd founding chapters to the point at least one of those chapters and their genetic cousins have a frozen blood feud with them.
But nothing has happened because the Minotaurs are the High Lords personal attack dog.
broken dew
man i sure do HATE the Minotaurs
untold swallow
There's three fuckin minotaurs in the DW server I'm in
broken dew
they gutted my beautiful boys who did nothing wrong during Badab
untold swallow
Fuckwit personified
pale narwhal
Badab war is still one of my favourite conflicts in 40k
untold swallow
What's funny is DW is pre-Badab, so there's a couple Astral Claws, some Mantis Warriors, some Carcs
And then some Minotaurs
And it's just the funniest shit
runic swallow
Badab war is still one of my favourite conflicts in 40k
It’s one of the more real ones, for lack of a better term? In how it starts as a logistics and tax dispute that spirals wildly out of control
broken dew
I'm sure that the Deathwatch Dreadnought Lamenter likes seeing Minotaurs showing up
Certified "if it were not for the laws of this land i'd kill you were you stand" moment
untold swallow
I mean it's pre-Badab
That's why it's funny
Cuz all the normal Badab Chapter brothers i.e. not the Carcs
Are just
Friends
And then in like 50 years Badab starts
broken dew
Then it becomes a "Minotaurs my beloathed" situation
untold swallow
There are also several Lamenters in the server
pale narwhal
It’s one of the more real ones, for lack of a better term? In how it starts as a...
It’s got so much in the books too
Battlefleet gothic rules for stuff even
broken dew
absolute cinema
untold swallow
One of whom is canon to the actual play the server is based around, cuz the GM runs canon oneshots
Tychon, the Rank 4 Lamenters Tactical Marine
untold swallow
Have a meme about the GM's opinion of two of the canon side characters the community plays
Hayes is another Tactical, from the Storm Wardens
Who apparently recently got both his fucking arms ripped off
broken dew
idk what it says about me
but my 3 fav chapters are Lamenters, Soul Drinkers and Marines Malevolent
untold swallow
You like tragic figures and massive cunts
broken dew
truly a great summary
untold swallow
I mean
broken dew
Sarpedon my GOAT tbh
untold swallow
looks askance at the Dusk Defiant
desert jay
I struggle to imagine how they still exist
I imagine because they embody the ideal of "why die for your cause when you can make some other bastard die for it?"
broken dew
*looks askance at the Dusk Defiant*
untold swallow
XD
desert jay
(The some other bastards including wounded and widows and orphans)
untold swallow
You did make them both those things lol
broken dew
I imagine because they embody the ideal of "why die for your cause when you can ...
i think it's also at least in part because they are REALLY fucking good at getting shit done
the Marines Malevolent stat wise are absolutely fucking cracked
they're insanely locked in
untold swallow
Me when my job is generating casualties and I'm the best in the biz
broken dew
it's just that them being locked in comes at the cost of grievous civilian and guard casualties
they kill the enemies of humanity REALLY fucking well
unfortunately their friendly fire attrition rates are also utterly abysmal
broken dew
You did make them both those things lol
this is true
my friend described them as space pirates and i've been rotating that in my head for a bit
floral herald
They probably firebombed a couple forge worlds
It’s the theft
They just take whatever they need and leave a note saying to eat shit
desert jay
"Send the bill to Terra"
stark cypress
"Send the bill to Terra"
"WELL! ARE YOU GONNA PAY THIS OR NOT, TERRAN?!"
"Who are you!?"
"I am the Fabri-"
"Who are you!? How did you get in here!?"
charred bridge
Leave IDOU (I don't owe u)
valid brook
hell yeah love some discussion of evil shithead jackboot astartes
MM gang
Red Scorpions gang rise up
jolly aspen
Anyone have any recommendations on how to find a gm to run rogue trader ttrpg campaign online?
thin ibex
I've never done it, but my rec would be checking rogue trader subreddits and discord that allow lfg and just shotgun out that you're looking for a gm
jolly aspen
I have tried but people have seen my posts but no response
rocky shale
Trying to find a gm to run a more niche game like rt is gonna be hard in general
floral herald
Red Scorpions gang rise up
My BOYS
Proud to life proud to die
I made sure to make my deathwatch blademaster one because I thought it would be funny for one to have a necron sword
floral herald
Rogue Trader is one of the most infamously hard to run RPGs out there
valid brook
My BOYS
Chapter of all time imho
I have Forgeworld Brain (tm) from way back but Karl Kopinski paintings of those goons live in my mind forever
floral herald
Wishful thinking I guess
It’s not impossible it’s just gonna be rare
I’ve run it and it’s such an ass kicker
There’s incidental time travel lol
jolly aspen
It’s not impossible it’s just gonna be rare
Fair
sour sequoia
As always: GM it yourself and you’ll have a waitlist in like 72hrs
sour sequoia
Irrelevant, you’ll do just fine
jolly aspen
Ummmm I’d rather be a player tbh
sour sequoia
¯_(ツ)_/¯ I mean thats the end of the story then lmao
Tale as old as time, people wanna run what they wanna run/play. Only one way to make sure it happens.
valid brook
truly many such cases
jolly aspen
Fair enough
charred bridge
Rogue Trader is one of the most infamously hard to run RPGs out there
My favorite twist on rogue trader is the all guardsmen campaign are guardsman with minimal backstory and every player has like 20 backup characters
brittle salmon
That's also not Rogue Trader
jolly aspen
I just don’t know if as a new gm I should be running a system that complicated
brittle salmon
That's Only War haha
rocky shale
That was only war -> dark heresy IIRC
charred bridge
I didnt exven knoow only war existed
rocky shale
The All Guardsmen Party was an only war game that turned into a dark heresy campaign after doing a meatgrinder of a battle using a pile of guardsmen
floral herald
I think TAGP actually came out before only war did
I think it was always dark heresy
The name also makes more sense for DH
desert jay
untold swallow
I mean Astartes posses their own, apparently quite remarkable, stank so that drukhari oud mst be something wretched
charred bridge
Besides death guard, do different chapters smell different
charred bridge
Ultramarines would smell like old spice
The one scent given to like all guys in school
untold swallow
I would imagine they would, but based on the fact that, to be blunt
waste products smell different depending on what you eat or drink
charred bridge
Imperial Fist smell like rockcrete
untold swallow
Cuz marines smell rank cuz of their thick, oily sweat <XD
God why am I continuing this convo when I'm about to eat
I'mma log off lmao
charred bridge
Emperor didnt settle for basic flawed human sweat glands
Astartes got the good stuff, Custodes got the designer ones
stark cypress
I know it wouldn't really sell
but it would be cool for Astartes to have a fodder box unit through chapter serfs.
And it would fit because some chapters integrate their serfs as an auxilla.
charred bridge
Ive always been of the opinion combat chapter serfs would make astartes cooler, seeing the contrast between a human and a space marine side by side make space marines gives scale on how much powerful they are. Also considering astartes operate like modern tanks it would make it cooler if these serfs have to specially train to fight alongside space marines like how you'd train infantry to do combined arms
brittle salmon
I know it wouldn't really sell
They'd sell like hotcakes, because the one thing Marines lack is supercheap objective holders and mission action doers that benefit from detachment/army trait
stark cypress
I mean there are the scouts???
charred bridge
Isnt like the guard the top selling army
stark cypress
Yeah, but the Guard are their own separate subfaction
brittle salmon
I did say supercheap :p
charred bridge
I mean to me I think theres a market for chapter serfs if there's one for guard
stark cypress
But how would you differentiate combat chapter serfs from Guard?
charred bridge
They kind of fall apart without an astartes nearby or something
I dont play the wargame at all so I dont know
desert jay
They'd sell like hotcakes, because the one thing Marines lack is supercheap obje...
Yeah the Arbites squads were super popular when you could get them in the 50-60 pts/unit range
brittle salmon
brittle salmon
yes
charred bridge
It's wishful thinking for me rather than a serious suggestion, it would have had to be a thing like in the writing room before 40k's releases to be a thing.
Or my copium, they AoS 40k
stark cypress
I mean...Cadia blowing up might do that.
charred bridge
I think itd be sick if all the fsctions basically meet their victory condition all at once; emps wakes up, abbadon unites chaos force with the dark imperium, silent king wakes all Necrons, rest of the Tyranid fleet arrives, gazghul unites a a ton of orks, harlequin's plan works and they kill slaanesh with their own new Eldar god, Tau FTL gets unretconned
stark cypress
Half of the imperium is struck in half
charred bridge
Every faction basically being to go all out but none can win cause they all did.
Similar to what they did with age of Sigmar where they took fantasy and cranked it up to 11
stark cypress
Look...If that means the Guard becomes a weird mix between Cadian and Krieg uniform
Then I wiuld be for it
charred bridge
Look...If that means the Guard becomes a weird mix between Cadian and Krieg unif...
Primaris Cadian Krieg /s
stark cypress
Oh my god
charred bridge
Cawl has gone too far but he is too powerful after having upgraded everything in the imperium
floral herald
But how would you differentiate combat chapter serfs from Guard?
Chapter serfs generally don’t fight (even when used on the battlefield) they carry reloads and extra gear
So make em buff dispensers
stark cypress
But I wanna make 'em be little cheap shooter boys!!!
Let me make chapter serfs that go bang and slash on the battlefield!!!
floral herald
I mean that’s guard and you were asking how you’d differentiate them
floral herald
I’d give them a lone-op like rule when near Astartes and some kind of ranged buff to dispense
Since the idea is they’ll sit on points for your gunners maybe something for objectives
desert jay
Cawl has gone too far but he is too powerful after having upgraded everything in...
Yeah I recently found out that Suboden Khan's new jetbike was a personal gift from Cawl
west zealot
A few chapters would be stabbing the Malevolents.
"they tripped and fell into a black hole"
"The... Entire chapter?"
"Yes."
"But not their gear. Or relics."
"It was a very impressive trip."
floral herald
Let me make chapter serfs that go bang and slash on the battlefield!!!
I would note that chapter serfs do a lot of work on the warships of a chapter in combat roles
Which makes a space marine chapter a really funny organization
charred bridge
Yeah I recently found out that Suboden Khan's new jetbike was a personal gift fr...
Huh so cawl knows how to make jetbikes besides the 2 that exist
And like just didnt tell anyone
west zealot
Every time he makes stuff, people scream about heresy, there's only so much political capital you can spend
charred bridge
I guess telling anyone without an STL wouldnt be all that useful
Since it'd be tech heresy unless its very useful
charred bridge
Every time he makes stuff, people scream about heresy, there's only so much poli...
floral herald
Huh so cawl knows how to make jetbikes besides the 2 that exist
Cawl’s jetbikes aren’t the same thing as the old one
Different and worse technological lineage
west zealot
Even when he's pulled "I figured out how to do this, then I cracked open the stl to check if I was right" people still yell about hersey. (And like, he is a heretek, it's just that the definition of that ranges from "cares about people and tries to improve the imperium" to "the toaster has warp juice and it's attempting to eat the tech thralls"
floral herald
Cawls are basically these but bigger
charred bridge
Oh I see
floral herald
Admittedly “this is actually common on Necromunda” is hardly an unusual thing
They’re just built different there
charred bridge
Necromunda, kind of similar to ultramar seem almost like a self insert planet
floral herald
I’m not really sure what you mean haha
Necromunda is probably the oldest-detailed planet in 40K though
west zealot
I actually really like necronunda and wish they'd like... Spin up one or two more distinct hive planets to do deep dives on for contrast
floral herald
There’s a fair few hive planets with a lot of info in the RPGs
Scintilla is probably the most detailed?
west zealot
Because it's a really fun look at what's basically a setting-within-a-setting and really reinforces the insane scale of 40k
runic swallow
Also they’re a massive weapons manufacturing site, so all sorts of odd shit falls off the back of a truck
west zealot
Scintilla is probably the most detailed?
Oh cool, I'll have to track that down and read up.
Are GW still doing rpgs etc? My impression is most of the 40k stuff was all fantasy flight games and that's stopped. I think the AoS stuff is all internal?
floral herald
No it’s all licensed out
GW stopped doing RPGs directly veeeery shortly after Dark Heresy initially released
west zealot
Ah. So are 40k rpgs/lore expansions still happening, or ? (Yeah I'm in it for the lore, sue me! =P)
floral herald
IIRC the Dark Heresy core book, Disciples of the Dark Gods and Inquisitors Handbooks were mostly written by Black Industries and everything after that is FFG
floral herald
Ah. So are 40k rpgs/lore expansions still happening, or ? (Yeah I'm in it for th...
Yeah, Wrath and Glory and Imperium Maledictum are out and getting supplements and there’s a Horus Heresy rpg coming out early next year
floral herald
I’m kinda stoked for the HH one since it seems a little larger and and better able to support mixed human and space marine parties from the rest
(Wrath and Glory does ok though)
broken dew
thinking about The Anchorite and Rylanor
i gotta really lock in with at least one of the Dusk Defiants dreads
broken dew
trying to work out the chapter sigil and i've been reminded that if i want to ever make actual mini's for my lads their sigil will need to be, somewhat paintable
sour sequoia
There are steps to make freehand way easier
Micron pens, practice with pencil, staking out dots of paint on each corner or angle
I pencil out my skaven heraldry a lot
broken dew
i feel like this is reasonably doable
floral herald
freehanding the circular gap is gonna be tricky but otherwise
broken dew
i'm assuming that some manner of masking may be employed
based it on the Dusk Raiders heraldry
the Dusk Defiants is more of a sun rising/setting though
working on filling out the custom chapter page thing GW put out a while ago
vital barn
i feel like this is reasonably doable
that looks sufficiently like the Death Guard legion heraldry that you mght have an easier time taking the top 2/3 of the 30k DG transfers and adding the top two spikes in
floral herald
Oh yeah that'd save a lot of time
broken dew
that looks sufficiently like the Death Guard legion heraldry that you mght have ...
yeah that could work
hopefully nobody looks too close at the Dusk Defiants skull covering sun emblem
they're not exactly being subtle about it but well, i'm sure nobody is just gonna look at their shoulders and call excommunicate traitoris
remaking the whole thing from scratch so i can color it in comfort
pretty much just need to redraw the Mark X Tacticus armor and then paint everything in
jaunty dawn
Using transfers and then modifying them with painting is pretty effective
pastel rampart
That said, custom transfer sheets aren't terribly expensive off like Etsy and if you have a printer at home you can do it yourself with the right paper.
broken dew
That is also ofc an option yeah
pastel rampart
It's what I'll probably end up doing.
broken dew
Very likely same whenever i get the chance to spring for making my guys real
pastel rampart
I'm currently working on rebasing mine. Haven't gotten to painting them but I'm hoping to do so soon.
Gonna aim for that classic 2e paint job with my own chapter symbol, just to kinda cement them as My Dudes™.
pastel rampart
Very much a throwback army.
broken dew
I think rn the lads i could soring for would be the Contemptor, Deredeo and the Saturnine's
Though the Contemptor would still need extra parts
If i could gain access to a resin printer that'd make things significantly easier but until such a time i'll just plan
broken dew
Rats rats we're the rats
stark cypress
Rats rats we're the rats
pastel rampart
If i could gain access to a resin printer that'd make things significantly easie...
Well, some people on here have printers, so that's an avenue.
sour sequoia
Libraries are also pretty frequently carryin very solid printers these days
Even the two very rural ones in my neck of the woods have high quality printers
pastel rampart
You're likely to find FDM printers in there rather than resin but for a number of things that's fine.
pastel rampart
That'll be good for some larger models like vehicles and certain dreads (contemptor and saturnine).
Saturnine dread in particular is a BIG BOY.
broken dew
mhm
sheet is coming along well
need to figure out the chapter ranks and their helmet styles, as well as shoulder heraldry
Might change the gold backpack
pastel rampart
Yeah I think the gold backpack is a bit too much.
Either green or that off-white color the armor has.
I might've missed it but what's the reasoning for the red arm?
valid brook
Callback to the Dusk Raiders scheme before they became Death Guard, I think
pastel rampart
Aaah.
stark cypress
So, like I promised. I cracked open my AP Historical British set.
what color should I do the little aquilla? Ivory?
finite compass
or like a dull silver/steel
charred bridge
stark cypress
"Why did that Astartes call me Horus?"
"Run."
"W-what?"
"RUN YOU EMPEROR DAMNED FOOL! RUN!"
charred bridge
Running wont help, start praying to the Emps
desert jay
what color should I do the little aquilla? Ivory?
Steel sounds good but I could also see brass
stark cypress
True
Lemme get the latest now
Just need to finish up the with skin and then add the sets dark tone and warm skin tone.
stark cypress
She is finished
I cheated the drying time with a hair dryer
Heh. They're already copying stuff from makeup.
When do we get the wash and shade handheld dryer?
west zealot
Running wont help, start praying to the Emps
This is why real ones fly
broken dew
Callback to the Dusk Raiders scheme before they became Death Guard, I think
Yeah this is right
The Death guard had a sort of beige and green thing going on and the Dusk raiders had entirely unpainted armor except for their one red arm
broken dew
Either green or that off-white color the armor has.
I'll probably make it the off-white color
broken dew
Been using green for the ends of extremeties and such
I'll put more work into the color scheme later today
Need to work on helmets and heraldy
Chapter ranks and such
Man this is fun
Man my tech marine's ended up being the loot squad lol
broken dew
hmm i think this might be a bit better, i kinda liked the goofy gold backpack but this is more practical
might try to change up the colors a bit later, not sure
untold swallow
Anyone wanna join a Wrath & Glory game played on Mondays at
Fuck how do I put in times that change based on the viewer's timezone?
floral herald
Hammertime.cyou or something
untold swallow
Wrath and Glory game at <t:1761004800:t> on Mondays
Anyone want in?
I'm taking two more players
untold swallow
You will be part of an Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor's retinue, who has recently split off from a convoy of three Rogue Trader Houses that made their way through the Cicatrix Maledictum. He is ordering various assets to investigate nearby systems and worlds for any scrap of knowledge or any sign of a way to create an Astronomican equivalent on this side of the Great Rift. Your team has been assigned the agriworld Epna Tertia, a desert planet undergoing terraforming to increase tithe output and not only rely on its underground hydroponics
This game is at tier 4, and the current characters in this group are a Space Wolf librarian (I am playing this character since we're planning on a small group) and a Magos Dominus (Misc is playing this character)
Oh, there will be some small amounts of headcanon, for example fem!marines exist and my librarian is one of them
broken dew
interesting
broken dew
if the times lined up better and i knew anything about Wrath and Glory i'd def be tempted
floral herald
Wrath and Glory is a real easy system to learn
broken dew
damn
vital barn
I was surprised to find out the core system was "Exalted but with D6s"
broken dew
the timer says 2:00 for me and i'm assuming it's on 24hr time
so i unfortunately cannot attend
floral herald
I was surprised to find out the core system was "Exalted but with D6s"
This is true but also makes it sound more complicated than it is haha
untold swallow
Oh fuck me is that the format of the timer
broken dew
i mean
untold swallow
It's supposed to be 5 PM
floral herald
No it’s 12 hour time
untold swallow
Okay cool
broken dew
is it 12 hour time
floral herald
It reads as 8 pm et for me
untold swallow
Freyja what time is it for you right now?
vital barn
that puts Rhi where, west coast USA?
untold swallow
Aye
vital barn
that would in fact be 1-2am for us, yeah
untold swallow
Shit it would be 2 AM then fuck
vital barn
Europe
vital barn
I am very much a night owl so I've had worse, but only due to having no actual work on Mondays right now
broken dew
yeah like
if i didn't have school on mondays
i would actually genuinely consider it
but i need to be up at 7 on mondays
soooo
that's really not gonna work
untold swallow
I mean technically Misc for you the game is
hollow laurelBOT
I'd consider it, but the issue is I'd probably not be good at playing that late.
untold swallow
2 am on Tuesday
broken dew
i've got school monday through wednesday 😔
hollow laurelBOT
There also is the introjection risk.
broken dew
introjection risk?
hollow laurelBOT
We're a system, we have a habit of method acting, those two combine to making it very easy to cause a new headmate.
broken dew
and oof frey
it's not so bad, just 2hrs per day, but i need to be awake early asf unfortunately cause it's an hour away
broken dew
We're a system, we have a habit of method acting, those two combine to making it...
ahhhhh yeah
that'd be a consideration wouldn't it
hollow laurelBOT
And the whole zombie bit.
Sorry, that's a thought that relies on a thought I forgot to post. By midnight I'm in a fugue and cannot live-RP well.
untold swallow
valid
hollow laurelBOT
Which is a shame because I really wanna take part. :<
untold swallow
😔
broken dew
i really wanna do one of the 40k rp games at some point, my friend did Deathwatch with some friends of his and it seemed a lot of fun
floral herald
Deathwatch is fun
The system Deathwatch is really cumbersome sadly
But it’s not like, completely unplayable
hollow laurelBOT
I don't think we've played Wrath and Glory before, but we have played the other inquisition game.
vital barn
I am glad it seems to be more "you are a warhammer book protag squad", I like Dark Heresy's scrappiness but sometimes you just want to hit things and watch them explode
I am wondering how the higher tiers hold up but hey, I get to make blender techpriest
broken dew
i do like a bit of power fantasy
it's fun to be absolute dirt but sometimes i just wanna lock in and be cool
broken dew
i REALLY would
vital barn
you might get more Europeans if you started a bit earlier, even I'm pushing it slightly
broken dew
like even just last unit i had lessons on tusesdays so monday would have been fine
vital barn
and I am almost on the far western edge of this continent
or island
or whatever Britain qualifies as this week
broken dew
but going 2am and later on a monday when i have school is just a bit too much
vital barn
lump of rock left side of Europe
untold swallow
peninsula
vital barn
an academic I knew once wrote a joking essay on resurrecting the landbridge that used to connect the UK and Europe just to provide cheaper housing
untold swallow
RESTORE THE GLORY OF DOGGERLAND
floral herald
I am wondering how the higher tiers hold up but hey, I get to make blender techp...
The system doesn’t break immediately but also most of the published enemies are not able to challenge max level PCs
So you kinda gotta amp them up to match
untold swallow
This is good to know
floral herald
It’s not super hard to fix thankfully it’s just a matter of boosting hit bonuses when it’s low
vital barn
this is also good to know because I saw "DV12 - wrestle dreadnought" and decided I had a goal in life
broken dew
that does sound crazy
also decided it's high time to design the helmets for my space marine ranks
floral herald
A lot of our guys (admittedly we hit max XP in the short shot) were hitting DV16-18 kinda often
vital barn
I'm playing a Magos, and Magi are like Orks, they get stronger and bigger with age
floral herald
For scale
vital barn
OK, Ulan Hudamaxxing possible
broken dew
also i think i need to come up with a cool in-chapter name for the rank of Chapter Master
vital barn
anyway, if this game can be earlier I would appreciate it, although I'll still play as is
you might get some more people, even if it was on a different day
broken dew
since i'm giving everyone else a neat custom title and job description i might as well give my Chapter Master one
hollow laurelBOT
I'll be proof of that, if you can do an hour earlier, I'm in.
floral herald
W&G math is pretty easy since every die in the pool is 2/3rds of an expected success
broken dew
currently my only inspo for what to do with the chapter master's title is the Charcharadons one, "Shade Lord"
he does have the title of Duskbreaker but i don't think that really fits for a formal role, that's more of a nickname
untold swallow
Fuckit, Mondays <t:1760396400:T> for the Wrath game
stark cypress
he does have the title of Duskbreaker but i don't think that really fits for a f...
Dusker Lord
Dusk Lord
Lord of Dusk
hollow laurelBOT
You're on. 
Rhi the Kobold Bun (She/Her) ↩️
untold swallow
lmao
junior robin
the night knight
floral herald
I think the kinda funny thing about space marine titles is that for the rest of the imperium it’s “chapter master”
untold swallow
You're on. <:meow_goofy:1054104607871209502>
how might I send thee a pm lol
floral herald
They even did that to the Iron Hands who don’t even have one
smoky urchin
Oh, we're available here.
broken dew
I think the kinda funny thing about space marine titles is that for the rest of ...
yeah i imagine they just call em chapter masters anyway
look there is like
vital barn
less sleep deprived gaming, wonderful
broken dew
100 fucking chapters
desert jay
100 fucking chapters
At least one order of magnitude more
broken dew
it would be inhumane to try to make everyone remember every fucking chapter specific title
vital barn
admittedly the wonders of stimulants mean I'm sleep deprived at basically random times these days
broken dew
ok yes there are a truly absurd number of chapters
untold swallow
1000 honestly isn't that absurd
It's also no way in hell correct
But it's not absurd
vital barn
Space Marines have the Lancer Union Navy thing where simultaneously there are not enough of them and also too many of them for them to be depicted as rare as they are
floral herald
it would be inhumane to try to make everyone remember every fucking chapter spec...
They probably make some people at the administratum do it then
desert jay
There’s like several hundred that have been named in a Black Library novel, GW codex/supplement, or White Dwarf or WarCom article
broken dew
They probably make some people at the administratum do it then
true
untold swallow
Out of curiosity
vital barn
on one hand, one chapter per thousand worlds is nothing, on the other hand they split up into tiny small groups and pile into most available warzones so there being some Marines around shouldn't be "bow down the angels are here" for most Guard generals and similar, that's just kind of a given
untold swallow
I am playing a Consecrator in the Deathwatch West Marches I'm in
broken dew
but like nobody is gonna fucking remember that the Red Scorpion calls their head guy the Lord High Commander
untold swallow
Who knows wtf a Consecrator is and who they're successors of?
desert jay
There’s also so many “Angels of X” and “Blood X” names
broken dew
I get em mixed up with the Weird Sex Chapter
the what
broken dew
There’s also so many “Angels of X” and “Blood X” names
me when the Blood Angels have 500 successor chapters and they all have blood or angel in the name
vital barn
the Blood Angels are bad at this, all their successors are damn near identical except for the Lamenters
untold swallow
I get em mixed up with the Weird Sex Chapter
the who whats
vital barn
who both break the usual naming scheme and are yellow
untold swallow
Hey!
broken dew
who are based beyond measure
untold swallow
Flesh Tearers exist
broken dew
yeah
desert jay
me when the Blood Angels have 500 successor chapters and they all have blood or ...
Well a few have Flesh X
vital barn
honestly Marines do so much masochism as a matter of course they're kind of all Weird Sex Chapters in at least some ways
broken dew
but so do the fucking Flesh Eaters
Flesh Eaters and Flesh Tearers
not the same thing
also they sound like fucking World Eater chaos warbands
vital barn
I was reading one of the iron hands books the other day and I did not expect it to get quite so Craigbond-Torture-Scene with it
floral herald
the who whats
Death Spectres!
broken dew
oh yeah
floral herald
Had to look up the name
vital barn
the Flesh Tearers have the excuse of being descended from one guy called The Flesh Tearer who spent the heresy tearing flesh
floral herald
I get them mixed up with Mortifactors see
stark cypress
We have the Exorcists
floral herald
broken dew
but not women
vital barn
even before the Heresy, Amit apparently fought a bunch of rounds in the World Eater fighting pits and killed everyone he fought, which you'd think would be frowned on in "peacetime"
stark cypress
We have the Exorcists
Those guys are fucking nuts
broken dew
you ever heard of the Excoriators
vital barn
you know I thought the Death Spectres were descended from my favourite marine character, who was also sent to the Ghoul Stars post-Heresy, but they showed up five millenia later
broken dew
actually who can tell me who the Atlantian Spears are a successor of
untold swallow
Why are the Death Spectres the weird sex chapter
vital barn
but someone presumably killed Morturg before the DS found the big chair
floral herald
you ever heard of the Excoriators
Not really but I think they’re Fists
untold swallow
actually who can tell me who the Atlantian Spears are a successor of
salamanders
stark cypress
Why are the Death Spectres the weird sex chapter
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
broken dew
Why are the Death Spectres the weird sex chapter
they have like, breeding camps for their recruitment shit
iirc
stark cypress
Yeah
broken dew
again
untold swallow
WHAT THE FUCK
broken dew
they are the Bene Gesserit
stark cypress
And the Space Sharks sorta go around kidnapping people
broken dew
they are trying to make a messiah
stark cypress
And the Space Sharks sorta go around kidnapping people
Well, actually some chapters do this
broken dew
their chapter literally has psychic future vision powers
vital barn
they're also all bald and pale so they look even more bene gesserit
untold swallow
Also fuck I was wrong the Atlantians are not Salamanders
floral herald
Why are the Death Spectres the weird sex chapter
broken dew
they actually have their own dollar store Big E
floral herald
Eugenics program
broken dew
their chapter master sits on a weird glass throne
they die
and then a new chapter master gets to sit on the glass throne
vital barn
the old guy who had that job was Crysos Morturg, who, as mentioned, was just Jason Statham and as such way more normal than they were
floral herald
Yeah they always have a psychic chapter master who sits in undead on a glass throne
broken dew
they have been feeding their head librarians to the glass throne
vital barn
despite being a robo-psyker-zombie-marine
broken dew
it's that one meme
floral herald
It’s probably illegal chaos sorcery to stop the Harrowing from happening again
untold swallow
I would
floral herald
But shhhh
untold swallow
Not want to be a psyker in this chapter, would I
broken dew
of "it sounds like you've just been feeding your [x] to [x]"
stark cypress
Inquisition would probably censure them but they can't.
broken dew
they are literally in the ghoul stars
stark cypress
Because the inquisition is just fucking everywhere and nowhere
stark cypress
Fuck no
untold swallow
idk wtf those are
desert jay
of "it sounds like you've just been feeding your [x] to [x]"
Hey AFAIK it's not like the glass throne kills them, they just sit there until they die of other reasons
broken dew
Hey AFAIK it's not like the glass throne kills them, they just sit there until t...
no
it does
they like
calcify
stark cypress
idk wtf those are
The Ghoul Stars are the Bermuda triangle of 40K but ok steroids.
broken dew
you turn into stone or glass or something
it literally medusa's you
then they put a new dude on the throne
stark cypress
The Ghoul Stars are the Bermuda triangle of 40K but ok steroids.
Oh, and there may or may not be sentient, malicious celestial body there.
broken dew
nah
floral herald
The Ghoul Stars are a designated Bad Shit Happens Here region
broken dew
isn't that the Processional of the Damned
the Processional of the Damned has an evil star in it
thankfully
nobody can go there
so you don't need to worry about it
it's only accesible through an eldar webway portal
the Processional of the Damned also fucking sucks
the evil star makes psychic warp creatures that drive you insane and summon ghosts
vital barn
does this mean there's a hall of petrified marines somewhere
stark cypress
does this mean there's a hall of petrified marines somewhere
Probabky
vital barn
visiting Eldar shows up and goes "hey I didn't know you also did that"
floral herald
Wait oops the Harrowing was the Halo Stars
broken dew
and it also fucking sucks absolute shit
floral herald
Never mind it’s probably some other kind of sketchy thing
broken dew
The Processional: "Things" of the turbulent star created through some interaction with the warp. Bring about visions of madness or raise the dead ships and crew of the Processional.
that's just horrid
stark cypress
Man, being a guard regiment from the Ghoul Stars must be a fucking trip.
broken dew
we don't want that
floral herald
Man, being a guard regiment from the Ghoul Stars must be a fucking trip.
Very few people actually live there
broken dew
even if we could go to the Processional of the Damned, we shouldn't
stark cypress
Very few people actually live there
Oh yeah
broken dew
Outer Sea of Space Hulks: A region of space thick with the ruined remains of vessels of every manufacture, race or function drawn from across the Expanse and even out of the greedy clutches of the warp.
it's so tempting though
imagine the loot you could find there
stark cypress
Oh yeah
but still, a hypothetical regiment from there be would be the most superstitious, paranoid soldiers on the lot.
broken dew
but it is also pulling ships out of mega hell
and it has an evil star in the middle of it
so
The Turbulent Star: Known also as the Reaper’s Eye, the Black Heart or the Hole in the Void.
that just sounds horrid
floral herald
It’s a great place to loot for Black Crusade games
broken dew
the Ghoul Stars are just as bad
fun fact
there is a Necron Flayed One Empire in the Ghoul Stars
there was also an event called the Pale Wasting that happened there
floral herald
It’s a great place to loot for Black Crusade games
Relatively nearby and relatively nice
broken dew
described as a "Star-spawned plague" that made "Nightmare engines"
vital barn
I wonder if that's where one of the two Admech Unicrons ended up
a space hulk built around a planet would be fun
broken dew
honestly i think it might be worth braving it considering the insane loot pool
but you can only get to the Processional through an Eldar Webway supposedly
so that's kind of difficult to do
broken dew
Hey AFAIK it's not like the glass throne kills them, they just sit there until t...
also reference for this:
Exactly what the Shariax does is vaguely hinted at. In return for immense power (power that can be felt even in the planet's orbit by psykers) the Throne of Glass slowly drains the life out of whoever sits in it, while also slowly petrifying them, eventually turning the Megir to stone. What this mysterious power is that the Megir is gifted with is unknown, except for the sheer scale of it.
so the Death Spectres have straight up been feeding their chief librarians to a weird fucky alien glass throne for gods know how long
pastel rampart
Ghoul Stars is like my favorite section of 40k space because it just has spooky shit in it.
broken dew
also a refernce for why they are the fucking Bene Gesserit:
Over the millennia, the Death Spectres have been preparing for the Cadash, which translates to "Living Chalice," someone of great significance who, upon taking their place upon the Shariax, will bring about the "Great Resurrection." The leadership of the Death Spectres has apparently been sowing the seeds of fate to bring about the Cadash's rise throughout the Chapter's history.
tranquil ivy
bleh :p
stark cypress
If this wasn't the ghoul stars
They would be questioned a lot because this is going into "Hmmmmm. I see you are trying to usurp the divinity of his divine majesty. Any words about this." territory.
tranquil ivy
i accidentally posted in the wrong channel so im here nowww
i got my order of thunder hammers and shields for my Bladeguard Veterans, and i got an entire Ultramarines Banner as a spare print
broken dew
They would be questioned a lot because this is going into "Hmmmmm. I see you are...
yeah
i asume they get away with being trying to make a psychic messiah because they are off in the torment nexus fighting horrors beyond comprehension
nobody particularly wants to go fucking check on them
broken dew
actually who can tell me who the Atlantian Spears are a successor of
also the answer is fucking Blood Angels
the ATLANTIAN SPEARS are Blood Angels successors
runic swallow
Honestly not sure who I think they should be successors or, but BA seems wrong
Mmmmaybe Ultramarine due to the Greek/Roman thing?
floral herald
Off of type successors are good I think
junior robin
they would be the wettest marines, due to all the blood 
vital barn
more people in 40k should use spears in general
but spears have always had terrible rules for some reason
runic swallow
Off of type successors are good I think
You know what, that’s fair
vital barn
even Custodes Guardian Spears are only decent compared to just slamming people into the dirt with big hammers
floral herald
I think part of the rarity is that they’re fragile and hard to model
runic swallow
It’s warHAMMER not warSPEAR smh
quaint compass
Spearhammer 😌
runic swallow
Now you’re thinking
vital barn
the Custodes spears are really more halberds, too
they are mostly described as spinning them around and doing lots of big sweeping moves
sadly the Admech tin men with spears are really bad now
runic swallow
You can use spears for that, but it’s not really what they’re for, yeah
quaint compass
Shining Spears stay... moderately good?
runic swallow
sadly the Admech tin men with spears are *really bad* now
I thought those were staves, or do you not mean the electropreists?
vital barn
Secutarii
runic swallow
Ah, those are cooler
vital barn
they used to be an 18" instant death bubble to vehicles, I killed multiple superheavies by chucking a squad of min-cost hoplites out the shittiest transport shuttle I could find
now they're mediocre light infantry
cool, though
those shields make them tougher and tougher the more of them you have standing within half of normal coherency, so they're encouraged to form phalanx
broken dew
THE PHALANX
paper bluff
runic swallow
they used to be an 18" instant death bubble to vehicles, I killed multiple super...
Is it like a melta spear?
vital barn
arc lance, so it benefited from the incredibly high power of 5th through 7th edition Haywire weapons when used en masse
now they're reasonable light assault infantry, the lances make them S5 I4 AP3 with precision strikes, but they don't have their old ranged mode at all and they're way too squishy for something 1.5x the price of tactical marines
runic swallow
arc lance, so it benefited from the incredibly high power of 5th through 7th edi...
Ahhhh, forgot about haywire
vital barn
their guns are odd
unsure how good they are
Rending is autowound-on-X-to-hit, so in practice these barely use their Strength value
runic swallow
What does shred do these days?
vital barn
shred is +1D on X to Wound, which all autowound rules also trigger
runic swallow
Ah, bonus damage
vital barn
so each guy with one of these is inflicting 1.33 D2 wounds with no AP to speak of per shooting phase, on average
runic swallow
Hmmm, yeah, odd place to be in
vital barn
so about 1.5 bolters against normal marines or 3 bolters against veteran marines
but gets better the tougher the target is
unfortunately, Solar Auxilia with storm bolters and better leadership are not worth 15ppm
at a more reasonable price they'd be a very solid infantry unit in basic Mechanicum, at least, but Legion Titanicus only gets these guys and basic transports for them
I guess a max-sized blob does gun down vets and terminators reasonably well for the price, but W2 targets are ideal for them
runic swallow
Yeah, the lack of AP seems to be putting it in a bit of an odd spot
But I guess it’s meant to balance the benefit of the auto wound and bonus damage
vital barn
honestly if they were 2-3ppm cheaper and had some kind of scoring capability I'd call them very good, they're not bad guns for line infantry
vital barn
15ppm is 1.5 tactical marines, which, conveniently, is exactly how much firepower they have
runic swallow
I guess I can see the reasoning getting them to that
vital barn
unfortunately they're squishier, don't get legion traits and don't have the Line bonus to scoring that basic Marines do
runic swallow
But I assume they’re 4+ armor?
vital barn
I posted them just above the guns, 4+ 6++
vital barn
we're probably getting 30k Skitarii soon, so if those actually do have reasonable bodies and can pick a good techno-arcana they'll be pretty solid
nothing wrong with cheap light infantry, Mechanicum is a bit short of it because their current arsenal goes straight from tech-thrall (useless, fearless tarpit body that depends on a nearby Magos spawning new models into the squad for free to be a capable capper) to Thallax (veteran-marine grade with heavy weapons, or a slightly lighter Crisis Suit if you prefer) with nothing in between
and Mech scoring comes from having a Magos in the unit with a matching techno-arcana, so if they're not explicitly disallowed from working with that then they should be able to solve that issue
broken dew
ok made some rank names
Brother Defiant(Battle Brother), Brother Coordinant(Sergeant), Gloom Commander(Lieutenant) and Gloom Master(Captain)
oh captains don't have colored helmets, huh
floral herald
Yeah a skull or laurel or other decorative element is common but they don’t have a color or anything
broken dew
fuck it i'm just gonna keep Gloom Master as the captain title and give them the sun emblem on the helmet that i wanted to add to one of the helmets
floral herald
My personal feeling is that it’s not really worth renaming ranks unless there’s some sort of substantive difference in responsibility since you’ll probably just have to explain them in normal terms anyway but GW is not always great about this haha
(Like the Ravenwing Huntmaster)
broken dew
if the space wolves can call their sergeants pack leaders then i can rename mine as Brother Coordinant's
floral herald
SWs do the weird never replenish permanent squads thing so there’s some extra stuff going on
Idk if there’s something similar here
broken dew
never replenish permanent squads?
floral herald
Space wolf packs never get reinforced
So as they whittle down and get more experienced and hard bitten they switch combat roles
runic swallow
I kinda love how while I know the red helmet for ultramarines comes from failures in command and control/radios so identifying leaders was important, but it also makes me feel like Alpha Legion and anyone using snipers just went “oh boy, I love obvious signaling of leadership”
floral herald
So blood claws and new and brash and eventually change into Grey Hunters once they’re a little wise
runic swallow
“Maybe they could all salute their leaders and wear obvious rank insignias too”
floral herald
And eventually move into either the Wolf Guard (which I think are strictly speaking individuals not squads?), the Long Fangs (experienced shooters) or become a Lone Wolf as the last surviving member of their pack
Vehicle crews and such are… different somehow
runic swallow
(For those not in the know, modern military standards is to do your damndest to not identify leadership personnel in a combat zone so they don’t get targeted)
floral herald
(I am not a space wolf expert haha)
runic swallow
Just start throwing in the word wolf as much as possible, I’m sure you can fake it fine
floral herald
I kinda love how while I know the red helmet for ultramarines comes from failure...
Back in the HH days the red helmet indicates punishment duty
main pagoda
so packs can be reinforced
runic swallow
Back in the HH days the red helmet indicates punishment duty
Yeah, but in Calth it swapped
floral herald
But after some of them stole swords above Calth yeah
main pagoda
they will take on a bloodclaw to replace a fallen member if the pack leader wants to
runic swallow
Due to a guy on punishment detail doing a lot of leadership stuff
floral herald
they will take on a bloodclaw to replace a fallen member if the pack leader want...
This has been sorta inconsistent but the attrition pack thing is fairly well established even if it also seems like the wolves aren’t very consistent about it haha
I like the progressively smaller max pack sizes with veterancy in the codexes which really do space wolves
main pagoda
it just comes down to the pack leader
ref: the SW omnibus you have a new inductee to the pack to replace the fallen hes picked out from the blood claws
floral herald
The SW omnibus (at least at the start) is actually older than the pack lore which is kinda funny
main pagoda
which SW omnibus
floral herald
Blackmane books
floral herald
I think it’s evolving writing but that’s no fun so it’s probably down to the great company
main pagoda
im speaking about legends of the wolf apolgies
floral herald
Oh I haven’t read that
main pagoda
its quite decent
floral herald
I have heard they’re inconsistent about it in general
tranquil ivy
So i have 3 Bladeguard, but I need 6
lucky for me I have three Sternguard bodies spare
floral herald
Beyond I think the stuff about Grey Hunters attriting into Long Fangs
main pagoda
you have a SW returning from the deathwatch trying to reintegrate himself back into his old pack
tranquil ivy
they're more like Hammerguard but the datasheet says "Power Weapon" so i can get away with it
vital barn
I kinda love how while I know the red helmet for ultramarines comes from failure...
the Alpha Legion's unique reaction in 3e is even "so we made it actually difficult to spot our leaders, precision shots now only work on 6+"
sadly Alphy's unique deployment is now just a redeploy at end of deployment rather than "aha, surprise, my tactical sarge was actually the real Alpharius!"
main pagoda
as I have always taken it longfangs are just the oldest of the grey hunters who haven't become wolf guard
vital barn
I do wonder why this consumes your in-battle reaction points, really this should be a wargear upgrade, but hey
every other AL rule is between "solid" and "S-tier" so a slightly odd reaction is no bad thing
thin ibex
Is there any issue with starting a wrath and glory game at a higher tier even with beginners?
floral herald
It’s more complicated
broken dew
hmm kinda wanted the captains to have a sun emblem but i just remembered that i am a buffoon and that Warhammer is a miniature game
giving them a complicated head marking is simply a bad idea because if i ever want to make any captains i will need to draw said marking
thin ibex
its been in my periphery for al ong time, i want to run or play wrath and glory, and the people ive canvased want to play as space marines; but none of us have played before
sour sequoia
giving them a complicated head marking is simply a bad idea because if i ever wa...
Do it anyways
I paint the veins on every neophyte I have faith in you
broken dew
idk if i wanna do that to myself
pastel rampart
It's not like you'll have that many captains.
broken dew
true
sour sequoia
Oh thats actually a pretty reasonable freehand tbh
esp grabbing a micron pen or something
sour sequoia
Space marine models are the way that they are so that you’re eased into freehanding and doing fun designs
I always say take the opportunity
broken dew
ok i'll give the captains the sick sun emblem then
looking good so far
need to come up with the battlefield role insignias
untold swallow
Since some new people are in chat now, any other takers for a Wrath and Glory game at <t:1760396400:t> on what would be Monday nights in the Americas?
tired cairn
the Alpha Legion's unique reaction in 3e is even "so we made it actually difficu...
So, the Alpha Legion figured out the clever trick of not painting helmets based on leadership role?
tranquil ivy
Bladeguard :D
broken dew
headless horseless bladeguard
tranquil ivy
for now, yes
west zealot
So, the Alpha Legion figured out the clever trick of not painting helmets based ...
Vindcare in shambles.
charred bridge
So, the Alpha Legion figured out the clever trick of not painting helmets based ...
Alpha Legion paint their helmets to match the enemy's
It was Alpharius all along
broken dew
ooh
i still need to play the first game
Bricky is a psyker not part of the ecclesiarchy
i was wrong
floral herald
My vague recollection is that epic heroes are kind of exempted from the downsides of dying in crusade so giving them the typically powerful crusade buffs while keeping that seems whack to me
But just not counting them as epic heroes for the crusade rules kinda makes sense
charred bridge
https://store.steampowered.com/app/4002090/Warhammer_40000_Mechanicus_II_Demo/
Woo! Mechanicus and Necrons?!
charred bridge
Bricky is a psyker not part of the ecclesiarchy
I dont see Bricky as a psyker, at least not for long. He'd be like lmao get trolled chaos daemon try again and then they try again and Bricky blows up
broken dew
yeah lol
spice flicker
But just not counting them as epic heroes for the crusade rules kinda makes sens...
The argument I was sort of making was that the assassins weren't EH in the past but still had rules about only one of each per army and that letting them gain xp was a common house rule. I did state i was fine with letting them still be restricted to one of each per army and all other restrictions.
Part of the organizer's concern was balance and fairness to others who might have "nameless" epic heroes in their armies (we are all looking to do Imperium Factions for the record.) For the latter is explained that the four assassins are the only "nameless" Epic Heroes for the imperium and outside of the Imperium the closest similar situation would be the genestealer cult patriarch which is also often house ruled into allowing xp.
floral herald
Yeah my perspective is that they probably just shouldn’t haven’t the battle scar immunity and get crusade xp
spice flicker
I did also tell the organizer that I likelt wont take one before we reach the 1250-1500 points battle range.
Though since I am going imperial agents, I kinda want to ask about preventing other crusade forces from taking IA units in their armies but at the same time feel it would be rude or asking too much.
sour sequoia
Just use the damn core rules for em
Nachmund and Armageddon give fun stuff for epic heroes
sour sequoia
I will say the Patriarch doesn’t really need the help and I’ve never seen anybody houserule that for me, having a hero who doesn’t take scars means quite a bit for GSC and he ties into a lot of the faction mechanics
broken dew
yeah i'm pretty pleased with how this turned out
charred bridge
Duality of 40k writing
charred bridge
Some random ad mech stuff has just super long names for being something simple like a light switch
Back when warhammer was more satire
broken dew
yeah i'm pretty pleased with how this turned out
i shall consider this a successful project
now i just need to continue working on the lore stuff
pastel rampart
Duality of 40k writing
‘All targets hostile,’ Sergeant Arbalan reminded them. ‘Purge with intent.’
‘Affirmative,’ replied Daellon and Telemenus together. The two of them opened fire, synchronising bursts between them. Brickwork turned to dust as Telemenus pounded the huts from outside while Daellon let fly through interior walls. A few sparks of las-bolts from a window two dozen metres ahead drew the attention of Telemenus. He returned fire, punching half a dozen bolts through the wall.
‘Some kind of sub-level here,’ reported Daellon. ‘Descending.’
‘Wait!’ yelled Telemenus, but his warning came too late. The audio pick-ups brought the sound of splintering woods and crumbling ferrocrete followed by an almighty crash.
Daellon cursed without pause over the vox.
‘Report,’ barked Arbalan.
‘Brother Daellon misjudged the load bearing of some internal stairs, brother-sergeant,’ said Telemenus, trying not to laugh. For once he was glad somebody else was attracting the negative scrutiny. There was a chuckle from Cadmael and a sigh from Arbalan.
‘Daellon, can you climb out?’ asked the sergeant.
‘Negative, a three metre drop at least. The floor will not hold my weight to pull myself up.’
‘No threats detected,’ Telemenus added, his auspex sensors encompassing the long row of huts.
‘Understood,’ said Arbalan. He sounded impatient. ‘Daellon, remain in place, I will signal for an armoury extraction team. Telemenus, rejoin the squad.’```oh yeah is this the Terminator falling through the floor cause his armor weighed so much
floral herald
Notice how they never say Fallen
broken dew
Asmodai, make them repent
pastel rampart
That excerpt from Master of Sanctity has made me want to insert something silly in anything lore-wise in 40k.
marsh tree
charred bridge
Like pvp?