Warhammer and Such | Pilot NET | Page 164

rocky shale Sep 30, 2025, 12:21 AM

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Which I have landed some crazy deals on

stark cypress Sep 30, 2025, 12:22 AM

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Noice

charred bridge Sep 30, 2025, 12:25 AM

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Mine does, it's sort of for open box stuff returns with everything inside or badly dented packaging

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Well bigger ones do, smaller ones tend to just say no returns or pawn off inventory to another LGS

rocky shale Sep 30, 2025, 12:29 AM

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For whatever reason the bay area doesn't have many large game stores, particularly ones that do wargaming

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Just like a lot of small/medium size ones

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Probably a population density thing

stark cypress Sep 30, 2025, 12:30 AM

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So, they just sell board games and paint?

rocky shale Sep 30, 2025, 12:30 AM

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Tcgs

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TCGs and Board Games, no paint

stark cypress Sep 30, 2025, 12:31 AM

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But no Mini's?

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Not even BT?

rocky shale Sep 30, 2025, 12:32 AM

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Sometimes like some d&d stuff

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But yeah I'd say only like 50% of places you'd call a LGS carry any significant amount of wargaming product

stark cypress Sep 30, 2025, 12:33 AM

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My LGS by the Barnes is like Gunpla, 40K, and a small section for Wizkid minatures.

rocky shale Sep 30, 2025, 12:34 AM

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Granted the stores that do wargame focus on them a fair bit so I guess it's sort of a go big or go home thing

stark cypress Sep 30, 2025, 12:34 AM

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stark cypress My LGS by the Barnes is like Gunpla, 40K, and a small section for Wizkid minatur...

And the other half is manga, comics, random anime girl statues, and the clearance section of old Privateer kits.

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And then the other LGS in my county is a small 40K section, bits of Warlord, and a bunch of Kings of War stuff that hasn't really sold.

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Oh, and they have an AP section but it's the old paints.

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The old AP paints are actually still pretty good.

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Might just decide to buy out whatever stock of the old AP Commando green they have.

charred bridge Sep 30, 2025, 12:39 AM

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Pretty much all the LGS in my area do MTG & Pokémon & D&D, people are rabid about Pokémon cards. Most have vintage comics under the counter. Bigger ones have 40k tables and 40k stuff.

west zealot Sep 30, 2025, 1:02 AM

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Not doing mtg and selling over priced Warhammer 40k stuff with an actual Warhammer shop just door down the road killed a lgs here recently

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I kinda get why they didn't do mtg (toxic player issues) but also

upper canopy Sep 30, 2025, 1:03 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1389413201740955748/1422388183970349206/G2AxDWebUAAtQR1.png?ex=68dc7db9&is=68db2c39&hm=2d58e7bbc6f87d6af6805763179b15b22e9b36b4b71b0ec41098e1c5fb884071&

rocky shale Sep 30, 2025, 1:09 AM

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west zealot I kinda get why they didn't do mtg (toxic player issues) but also

Tbh if you can't deal with someone being an asocial nerd (by kicking them out) then idk how you run a LGS

desert jay Sep 30, 2025, 1:25 AM

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Possibly kicking all the asocial nerds out was the whole MTG local playerbase and that's why they no longer do MTG

rocky shale Sep 30, 2025, 1:29 AM

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Oh I mean if it's all of them lol

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If you live in evil nerd town, usa

charred bridge Sep 30, 2025, 1:30 AM

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west zealot Not doing mtg and selling over priced Warhammer 40k stuff with an actual Warhamm...

There's a Warhammer store in my city, it doesn't seem all that popular I hardly ever see anyone in there

charred bridge Sep 30, 2025, 1:34 AM

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rocky shale Tbh if you can't deal with someone being an asocial nerd (by kicking them out) t...

The best MTG LGS in the city does this, give you a few warnings but if you're going to be that guy or a creep they'll kick you out, it's also basically the only store that women go to play MTG on their own. Events are fun too.
The owners are 2 women which id be incredibly surprised if they're not married cause theyre always working together and chatting and if one of them is out they just close for the day.

west zealot Sep 30, 2025, 1:51 AM

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desert jay Possibly kicking all the asocial nerds out was the whole MTG local playerbase an...

Yeah, I dunno the truth of it given less than a block away is a successful lgs running mtg and other ccg card game nights every night of the week, another one within half an hour by bus, etc.

So... Suspicion? It's a bummer, but also not entirely surprising

untold swallow Sep 30, 2025, 2:05 AM

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upper canopy https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1389413201740955748/1422388183970349206/G...

wait what lmao

untold swallow Sep 30, 2025, 3:44 AM

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Chapter Master

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"Like Bolters, simple as"

brittle salmon Sep 30, 2025, 4:12 AM

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untold swallow Chapter Master

Bolter Drills does the same thing whether targeting models on an objective or not

untold swallow Sep 30, 2025, 4:14 AM

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brittle salmon Bolter Drills does the same thing whether targeting models on an objective or no...

If they are not on an objective and targeting an enemy that is on an objective, they add the bonus to ap against that specific enemy. If they themselves are on an objective, they get the bonus against any enemy.

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I think it'd be cleared up if I started the second sentence with 'While this model is leading a unit that is within range of an objective marker' so let me make that change

brittle salmon Sep 30, 2025, 4:20 AM

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Gotcha

untold swallow Sep 30, 2025, 4:20 AM

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While this model is leading a unit, when a model from that unit makes a ranged attack that targets a unit within range of an objective marker, improve the Armour Penetration characteristic of that attack by 1. If a unit this model is leading is within range of an objective marker, that unit instead increases the AP of ranged weapons equipped by models within that unit by 1.This read clearer?

rocky shale Sep 30, 2025, 4:21 AM

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Relentless Assault is a lil clunky

untold swallow Sep 30, 2025, 4:22 AM

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How might I unclunk lol

rocky shale Sep 30, 2025, 4:22 AM

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Honestly maybe just +6" range

untold swallow Sep 30, 2025, 4:22 AM

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Should I just go fuck it we ball and make it three quarters instead of half?

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PFFFF

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That was a joke but okay

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Fuck it

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18" Sternguard rapid fire moment

rocky shale Sep 30, 2025, 4:23 AM

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+6" total range

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which gives +3" to rapid fire

untold swallow Sep 30, 2025, 4:23 AM

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Oh so just

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Give them a range buff

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That's even funnier

rocky shale Sep 30, 2025, 4:23 AM

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yeah

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not like 24" vs 30" is that big of a game changer

pale narwhal Sep 30, 2025, 4:24 AM

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on modern 40k tables it's really not at all a game changer

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the extra 3" rapid fire is though

rocky shale Sep 30, 2025, 4:24 AM

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why does he have deep strike?

untold swallow Sep 30, 2025, 4:24 AM

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He used to be a terminator

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deletes

rocky shale Sep 30, 2025, 4:25 AM

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yeah if he cant lead anything with it then it gets janky

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precodex yvraine moment

untold swallow Sep 30, 2025, 4:25 AM

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I made his old termie statblock into my 1st Cap instead

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But yeah this guy is meant to lead Sternguard or his Chapter's version of Intercessors

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Whose rifles have rapid fire instead of heavy

rocky shale Sep 30, 2025, 4:26 AM

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his stats as a combat unit are pretty cracked but also he is expensive

untold swallow Sep 30, 2025, 4:26 AM

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Probably sternguard tbh

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For my own hypothetical list

brittle salmon Sep 30, 2025, 4:27 AM

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He's also a combat character leading units that don't want to be in melee

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I think he can be 110 and be done with it with that in mind

rocky shale Sep 30, 2025, 4:28 AM

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His shooting is quite a bit better than a captain's anyways

untold swallow Sep 30, 2025, 4:28 AM

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I mean

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His entire kit is 'I am bolterporn marine' so ngl I don't get that Briar lol

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Or I mean I do but like

rocky shale Sep 30, 2025, 4:28 AM

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His shooting is better than a sternguard heavy bolter

untold swallow Sep 30, 2025, 4:28 AM

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Yes, that is why he is 120

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He gives sternguard a massive hard-on

brittle salmon Sep 30, 2025, 4:29 AM

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It's fine I guess

rocky shale Sep 30, 2025, 4:29 AM

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Most SM leader units are melee focused even if they lead squads that dont necessarily need it

brittle salmon Sep 30, 2025, 4:29 AM

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I'd still take a Libby if I had to attach a character

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Idk

rocky shale Sep 30, 2025, 4:31 AM

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Librarians are pretty shooty but they still have force swords that are no slouch

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Just a constant for all SM characters

mental birch Sep 30, 2025, 5:02 AM

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untold swallow ```While this model is leading a unit, when a model from that unit makes a range...

So +1 AP to a potential +2 ap?

rocky shale Sep 30, 2025, 5:03 AM

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In the rare chance that you shoot from one objective to another I guess?

untold swallow Sep 30, 2025, 5:04 AM

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mental birch So +1 AP to a potential +2 ap?

instead, so no

rocky shale Sep 30, 2025, 5:12 AM

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If Tsons and nids get any worse then maybe agents will be good in comparison XD

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can you guess what units are good in CK

cinder wraith Sep 30, 2025, 5:19 AM

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world eaters are top???

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wtf

brittle salmon Sep 30, 2025, 5:19 AM

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It's worth noting that every army on top of that list after Aeldari has much lower play rates, like less than half the elves, and Deathwatch in particular have such a small play sample size they're basically just outliers

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They're being carried on the backs of a few devoted faction specialists

mental birch Sep 30, 2025, 5:21 AM

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While this model is leading a unit, if a model from that unit makes a ranged attack that targets a unit within range of an objective marker, or is within range of an objective marker themselves, improve the Armour Penetration characteristic of that attack by 1.

tired cairn Sep 30, 2025, 5:21 AM

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Seeing AdMech that high is also wild. They didn't change that much last patch lol (but also what Briar said)

mental birch Sep 30, 2025, 5:21 AM

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@untold swallow like this?

rocky shale Sep 30, 2025, 5:23 AM

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tired cairn Seeing AdMech that high is also wild. They didn't change that much last patch lo...

Admech did just see some very good buffs but yeah

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Deathwatch is up there because of sickos and small sample size

mental birch Sep 30, 2025, 5:23 AM

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Tau Battlesuit sickos celebrating the push up to 50%

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lol

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because of the buff

untold swallow Sep 30, 2025, 5:24 AM

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mental birch While this model is leading a unit, if a model from that unit makes a ranged att...

God that's so much fucking simpler aaaaaaaaaaaaa

tardy vault Sep 30, 2025, 5:24 AM

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rocky shale If Tsons and nids get any worse then maybe agents will be good in comparison XD

also, as an AoS player, goddamn is 40k balance tight

pale narwhal Sep 30, 2025, 5:24 AM

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wonder if the best tau detachment is still kroot lmao

tired cairn Sep 30, 2025, 5:25 AM

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mental birch While this model is leading a unit, if a model from that unit makes a ranged att...

I think this is slightly closer to the templating they use?

While this model is leading a unit, each time a model in that unit makes a ranged attack, if that unit or the unit that is the target of the attack is within range of an objective marker, improve the Armour Penetration characteristic of that attack by 1.

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I swear that some unit somewhere basically had this effect but I cannot remember which one

mental birch Sep 30, 2025, 5:27 AM

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pale narwhal wonder if the best tau detachment is still kroot lmao

IMO yes

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but like my attitude towards that list is

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https://tenor.com/view/brilliant-i-like-this-top-gear-jeremy-clarkson-richard-hammond-gif-18951630

Tenor

mental birch Sep 30, 2025, 5:55 AM

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I dont battlesuit spam because its good

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I spam suits because I like suits

charred bridge Sep 30, 2025, 6:53 AM

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Do Tau, but only kroots

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The tauless Tau army

mental birch Sep 30, 2025, 7:01 AM

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A very annoying objective based army

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This army will sit down and declare you will score zero primary and spend your entire game in your deployment zone

brittle salmon Sep 30, 2025, 7:07 AM

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This is why we need templates back

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Hand over the 10" blast template James

verbal ermine Sep 30, 2025, 8:24 AM

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rocky shale If Tsons and nids get any worse then maybe agents will be good in comparison XD

wait the genestealers are doing better than the nids??

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huh

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guess thats the power of owning the IG's surplus

mental birch Sep 30, 2025, 8:36 AM

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verbal ermine wait the genestealers are doing better than the nids??

Its the power of being a nonsense ass movmenet army

west zealot Sep 30, 2025, 11:35 AM

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mental birch This army will sit down and declare you will score zero primary and spend your e...

When pushed to the brink, the Tau Unleash their finest weapon.

The Kroot debate squad

mental birch Sep 30, 2025, 12:06 PM

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The game will end with 0 kroot maximum primary and a mostly intact enemy army

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That has spent the whole game trapped in deployment

junior robin Sep 30, 2025, 1:19 PM

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finally, naked salamanders primaris lieutenant

mental birch Sep 30, 2025, 2:34 PM

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Characters [626 pts]

Strategist [255 pts]
-# (Hand weapon, Light armour, Dragon fire bombs, General, Sky Lantern [Iron hail guns, Dragon fire bombs + Sky Lantern bombs], Crystal of Kunlan)
Strategist [270 pts]
-# (Hand weapon, Light armour, Dragon fire bombs, Sky Lantern [Iron hail guns, Dragon fire bombs + Sky Lantern bombs], Armour of Meteoric Iron, Talisman of Protection)
Gate Keeper [101 pts]
-# (Hand weapon, Celestial blade, Heavy armour, Shield, Battle Standard Bearer, On foot, Spirit Lantern)

Core Units [524 pts]

8 Jade Lancers [216 pts]
-# (Hand weapons, Cathayan lances, Shields, Heavy armour, Barding, Ambushers, Jade Lancer Officer (champion) [Ring Of Jet], Standard bearer, Musician)
14 Jade Warriors [170 pts]
-# (Hand weapons, Shields, Heavy armour, Jade Officer (champion), Standard bearer [The Jade Banner], Musician)
15 Jade Warriors [138 pts]
-# (Hand weapons, Shields, Heavy armour, Jade Officer (champion), Standard bearer, Musician)

Special Units [346 pts]

Cathayan Grand Cannon [173 pts]
-# (Grand cannon, Hand weapons, Light armour, Ogre Loader [Gunpowder bombs])
Cathayan Grand Cannon [173 pts]
-# (Grand cannon, Hand weapons, Light armour, Ogre Loader [Gunpowder bombs])

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Causing problems on purpose in the old world

thin ibex Sep 30, 2025, 2:36 PM

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How does Cathay play on the table?

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Are they a turtle faction?

jaunty dawn Sep 30, 2025, 2:37 PM

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Those sky lantern mounts

hard whale Sep 30, 2025, 2:38 PM

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junior robin finally, naked salamanders primaris lieutenant

I thought it was Huron Blackheart's pet, but that's scalier. Is it one of those dragon dogs from AoS?

mental birch Sep 30, 2025, 2:44 PM

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thin ibex Are they a turtle faction?

Lantern moves up causes problems supported by cannon fire and nonsense ambush lancers

thin ibex Sep 30, 2025, 2:45 PM

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So kind of similar to empire as like a synergy army?

mental birch Sep 30, 2025, 2:45 PM

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While warriors stay home and fight off nonsense charges

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Yeah

mental birch Sep 30, 2025, 2:47 PM

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thin ibex So kind of similar to empire as like a synergy army?

Pretty close but pieces are better

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Lanterns are very good at causing problems

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 2:50 PM

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hard whale I thought it was Huron Blackheart's pet, but that's scalier. Is it one of those ...

If that’s the Hamadraya it’s been cultivating mass

mental birch Sep 30, 2025, 2:50 PM

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Also 30 point extremely common magic item that casfs Unquiet Dead

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Which is wild

thin ibex Sep 30, 2025, 2:53 PM

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how would one go about learning old world?

mental birch Sep 30, 2025, 2:56 PM

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Not sure hmmm

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:08 PM

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can we please get the second half of the Cities of Sigmar update at some point in the next year

mental birch Sep 30, 2025, 3:09 PM

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My steelhelms

upper bluff Sep 30, 2025, 3:11 PM

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floral herald If that’s the Hamadraya it’s been cultivating mass

I thought it was a genestealer dog. It has the head ridges on its knees

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A genestealer hound pack could be a cool kill team

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~~but also I desperately need plastic Huron Blackheart~~

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:13 PM

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Hard read it’s Numen for emperor’s children

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:17 PM

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mental birch My steelhelms

Oh yeah, dont' get me wrong, I love how creative Cities of Sigmar fans are

mental birch Sep 30, 2025, 3:18 PM

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I'm getting Cathay to do Chinese City of Sigmar hahaha

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:18 PM

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I just wish James Workshop actually finished the range update

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Unrelated, but it annoys me how there are some great units that could just be made into Kill Teams, but haven't for some reason

hard whale Sep 30, 2025, 3:19 PM

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floral herald Hard read it’s Numen for emperor’s children

Like Fabius Bile's boys, or is there one guy named Numen?

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:20 PM

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Bill’s boys

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:20 PM

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What’re you thinking of?

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:20 PM

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do you want me to go down by faction?

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:21 PM

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I don’t need an exhaustive list I’m just curious

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:21 PM

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I'd like to see a Custodes kill team, ideally Sisters of Silence focused

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Mix between prosecutors, vigilators, and witchseekers

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But ideally, we'd get a new unit

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For Sisters, I think a ministorum Battle Conclave refresh would be neat, though we did just get Sanctifiers

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The two Mechanicus kill teams are perfect and need no changes

hard whale Sep 30, 2025, 3:24 PM

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marsh tree I'd like to see a Custodes kill team, ideally Sisters of Silence focused

the Sisters of Silence kit is like 9 years old, they could definitely do a new one but re-releasing it in a KT box would work too

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:24 PM

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Sisters are getting a Celestian kill team next summer

hard whale Sep 30, 2025, 3:24 PM

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a Catachan KT is so obvious I don't know why they haven't done that yet

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:24 PM

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Which is nice since their only one atm doesn’t have power armor

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:24 PM

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:D

thin ibex Sep 30, 2025, 3:25 PM

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are getting celestians with guns back?

jaunty dawn Sep 30, 2025, 3:25 PM

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No :(

hard whale Sep 30, 2025, 3:25 PM

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I think they're all ~~polearms and shields~~ they have a range of stuff, basic warriors use condemnor pistols and null rods

jaunty dawn Sep 30, 2025, 3:25 PM

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Sword and pistol celestians

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With one sword and board

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:25 PM

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I really like the Space Marine kill teams, but some chapter-specific ones would be neat

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:25 PM

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Yeah the Insidiadors is all melee and pistols with like 1 gunner

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:26 PM

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Grey Knight terminators, Deathwatch mixed unit, Black Templars with neophyte support, Blood Angels drop squad, and idk for Dark Angels or Wolves of Fenris

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:26 PM

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There is a deathwatch mixed unit KT though

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:26 PM

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there is?!

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:26 PM

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I doubt termies will ever be in KT though

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:26 PM

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Must have missed that

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D:

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:26 PM

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They’re in tomb world

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:26 PM

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does the deathwatch one have bikes and jump packs?

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:26 PM

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You only get 1 gravis guy

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:27 PM

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what's the point in living

thin ibex Sep 30, 2025, 3:27 PM

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i dont think KT ever gets to the point of having bikes

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its generally ground level and heroes

jaunty dawn Sep 30, 2025, 3:27 PM

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It would be really funny

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:27 PM

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It would be cool to see a White Dwarf release with a single Armiger/War Dog for a specialty mission

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:27 PM

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The gestalt kill team is elites slot infantry basically

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But there’s some weird ones

jaunty dawn Sep 30, 2025, 3:27 PM

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You could make it crash through walls

humble plover Sep 30, 2025, 3:27 PM

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marsh tree does the deathwatch one have bikes and jump packs?

There's a CSM team with jump packs releasing next year

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:28 PM

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Yeah the Raptors are gonna be exciting

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:28 PM

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waow

jaunty dawn Sep 30, 2025, 3:28 PM

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And generally answer the question of how a bike works in an infantry team

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:28 PM

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They’ve supposedly got a drag someone off move which kicks ass

jaunty dawn Sep 30, 2025, 3:28 PM

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Which is probably pretty well just not really visible on full 40k scale

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:28 PM

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jaunty dawn You could make it crash through walls

Yep. when I tried making one back for KT2e, I gave them a mechanic like 40K fliers where you either have to move in a mostly-straight line or not move at all

jaunty dawn Sep 30, 2025, 3:29 PM

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Yee

hard whale Sep 30, 2025, 3:29 PM

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marsh tree It would be cool to see a White Dwarf release with a single Armiger/War Dog for ...

if a shard of the nightbringer appears as a boss fight, they could definitely do the same with a war dog

jaunty dawn Sep 30, 2025, 3:29 PM

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I think

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Outriders are too big though

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Like a classic bike would have worked but outriders are hyuge

thin ibex Sep 30, 2025, 3:29 PM

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in a real kill team, just thinking out loud, a bike wouldnt actually be used in direct formation with infantry; they'd be used as fast moving scouts or harassment right?

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:30 PM

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I want to see a mixed or unaligned Daemon kill team

thin ibex Sep 30, 2025, 3:30 PM

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It's a bit like a jetpack unit mixed in and being forced to stay with the squad is a waste of its mobility

jaunty dawn Sep 30, 2025, 3:30 PM

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So ironically the best chance is they make an evil deathwatch kill team in csm

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:30 PM

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wat

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:30 PM

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jaunty dawn Like a classic bike would have worked but outriders are hyuge

I could see the GSC bikers working they’re little

jaunty dawn Sep 30, 2025, 3:30 PM

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Like black legion were a little bit in one edition

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Oh yeah a gsc bike could work

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:31 PM

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There is no reason why Jakhals aren't a kill team

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:31 PM

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marsh tree I want to see a mixed or unaligned Daemon kill team

Kinda get that with Gellerpox

jaunty dawn Sep 30, 2025, 3:31 PM

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Isnt there one now

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Wait

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:31 PM

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Though they’re quasi-nurgle

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:31 PM

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floral herald Kinda get that with Gellerpox

that's Nurgle-aligned

hard whale Sep 30, 2025, 3:31 PM

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jaunty dawn So ironically the best chance is they make an evil deathwatch kill team in csm

oh, like you can have 5 marines, pick between noise marines, berserkers, rubrics and zombies?

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:31 PM

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marsh tree There is no reason why Jakhals aren't a kill team

Goremongers

jaunty dawn Sep 30, 2025, 3:31 PM

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Jakhals are a kill team arent they

tired cairn Sep 30, 2025, 3:32 PM

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floral herald I don’t need an exhaustive list I’m just curious

Gaunt's ghosts are basically a kill team kit before they made (that sort of) kill team kits

jaunty dawn Sep 30, 2025, 3:32 PM

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Like

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:32 PM

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No, that's Goremongers

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Similar, but different

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:32 PM

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tired cairn Gaunt's ghosts are basically a kill team kit before they made (that sort of) kil...

🤦‍♀️

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:32 PM

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marsh tree Similar, but different

There’s no reason to include Jakhals then

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:32 PM

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Why the hell not

jaunty dawn Sep 30, 2025, 3:32 PM

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So just cooler jakhals

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:32 PM

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Cause their Thing is handled by Goremongers

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:32 PM

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I g uess

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:32 PM

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And they’re not gonna do it better

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:33 PM

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floral herald Though they’re quasi-nurgle

that's my frustration

jaunty dawn Sep 30, 2025, 3:33 PM

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If they hadnt like

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Stopped doing upgrade kits

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:33 PM

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I want to see a Daemon team that's either mixed or Chaos Undivided

jaunty dawn Sep 30, 2025, 3:33 PM

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They probably wouldve been jakhals

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:33 PM

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Emperor's Children needs something

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Anything

jaunty dawn Sep 30, 2025, 3:34 PM

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Catachan kill team not happening is so weird

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But probably a case of like

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Waiting to align with plans generations in the making

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:34 PM

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I'm thinking it will happen

jaunty dawn Sep 30, 2025, 3:34 PM

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Idk they dont really align with plans that often

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Tbh

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:34 PM

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Kind of wish we saw a return of Elysian Drop Troops, though Tempestus Aquillons are similar

pastel rampart Sep 30, 2025, 3:34 PM

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tired cairn Gaunt's ghosts are basically a kill team kit before they made (that sort of) kil...

Or Col. Schaeffer's Last Chancers.

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:35 PM

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I kind of want a Ynnari kill team with mixed Aeldari

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:35 PM

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jaunty dawn Catachan kill team not happening is so weird

Yeah I was surprised we didn’t get them especially with the rumors

jaunty dawn Sep 30, 2025, 3:35 PM

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I think like with raveners its a case of waiting for a mechanical niche that they can execute well

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Like

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The standard of quality is fairly high with the kt rules

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:35 PM

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marsh tree I kind of want a Ynnari kill team with mixed Aeldari

dammit, now I really want this

jaunty dawn Sep 30, 2025, 3:35 PM

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I guess

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:35 PM

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The Raveners team kicks ass rules wise yeah

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:35 PM

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Or maybe a Warlock conclave kill team, that would be cool right?

humble plover Sep 30, 2025, 3:35 PM

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I wouldn't be surprised if we got a daemonette kill team sometime soon

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:35 PM

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marsh tree dammit, now I really want this

I think it’d probably be too similar to corsairs mechanically

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:36 PM

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true D:

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:36 PM

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I think a mixedweight eldar team would be neat

jaunty dawn Sep 30, 2025, 3:36 PM

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I feel like vespids are a diverted tyranid team lol

humble plover Sep 30, 2025, 3:36 PM

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It would fill both the niche of a dedicated slaaneshi team and a daemon team

tired cairn Sep 30, 2025, 3:36 PM

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The jungle planet being a floating industrial platform instead of a jungle battlezone was funny in that it would have been perfect for Catachan otherwise

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:36 PM

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Tau getting a battlesuit kill team would be neat

jaunty dawn Sep 30, 2025, 3:37 PM

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Stealth suits with drones would be fun

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:37 PM

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Was in the 2e compendium IIRC

thin ibex Sep 30, 2025, 3:37 PM

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i would love a good stealthsuit kt

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:37 PM

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It was also like a bottom 2 team back then unfortunately

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:37 PM

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Maybe a crisis suit as a superheavy option like Ogryn in Ratlings

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:38 PM

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Compendium Tau weren’t bad but stealth suits got murdered on APL

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:38 PM

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floral herald It was also like a bottom 2 team back then unfortunately

I know, I was just saying it exists

thin ibex Sep 30, 2025, 3:38 PM

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i mean they did a ravener kt, they can do a stealthsuit kt

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:38 PM

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but you know what I really want?

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I want them to re-release the Blackstone Fortress models for a kill team

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Ratlings, Rangers, Man of Iron, Tech-Priest, the works

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:39 PM

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thin ibex i mean they did a ravener kt, they can do a stealthsuit kt

Oh yeah it’s probably doable

mental birch Sep 30, 2025, 3:39 PM

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Call it Kill Team bunch of loosers

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:39 PM

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Might be kinda tricky to make it interesting but I imagine it’s possible

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Since it’s just like stealth and shooting and low model count

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:40 PM

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Crisis suits might be more interesting, given AFAICT they're about as tough as Raveners

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:40 PM

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Crisis suits are probably too big for KT

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Just like, physically

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Some of the Vespid and Ravener sculpts already run into pranks

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Albeit that would be a funny balance lever

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I think a Crisis Suit would work better as a heavy on a mixedweight team

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But I also like them in general

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:41 PM

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That's what I originally suggested

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Crisis suit as a heavy option for a Stealth suit team

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I'm also always excited for new Agents kill teams

humble plover Sep 30, 2025, 3:42 PM

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Even then I think that might be a bit too big tbh

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:42 PM

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They're my favorite faction

humble plover Sep 30, 2025, 3:42 PM

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I feel like stealth suits as the heavy option on a Tau mix weight team would work better

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:43 PM

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I agree with them being maybe too high on the power chart but I also meant in terms of physical scale since being more than 4” tall is a big impediment in KT

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:44 PM

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the things I want the most are Sisters of Silence and mixed Daemons

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:44 PM

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I think my big wishlist atm for KT is Catachan guard, it’d be a great way to get new sculpts for them and vetguard will classify out soon

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:44 PM

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Same here

rocky shale Sep 30, 2025, 3:44 PM

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marsh tree I'd like to see a Custodes kill team, ideally Sisters of Silence focused

SoS can be run in the inquisition kill team

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:44 PM

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Oh that’s true yeah

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:44 PM

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As their own thing

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:44 PM

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I forgot they’re still a part of IA

thin ibex Sep 30, 2025, 3:45 PM

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I'd love a catachan devils KT

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mostly cause i think catachans are a little underserved

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they could be a catachan elite melee/glass cannon melee unit or maybe an off anti armor unit in 40k

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:47 PM

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I think just new Catachan guard which aren’t from the 20th century would be nice

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A daemons KT which doesn’t have fantasy brand synergy would also be cool

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Like fucked up technodaemons with guns

pastel rampart Sep 30, 2025, 3:50 PM

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Vashtorr-themed KT basically

thin ibex Sep 30, 2025, 3:50 PM

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the only one we have is the soul grinders right

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:51 PM

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I think so yeah

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There’s a lot of cool art of technodaemons around but no models

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:52 PM

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pastel rampart Vashtorr-themed KT basically

Don’t give me hope

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:52 PM

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thin ibex the only one we have is the soul grinders right

Those are also in fantasy

hard whale Sep 30, 2025, 3:53 PM

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thin ibex the only one we have is the soul grinders right

there's the maulerfiend and the venomcrawler too. But yeah, infantry-scale tech-daemons would be sick

upper bluff Sep 30, 2025, 3:53 PM

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I think it's only a matter of time before we get a vashtorr themed kill team

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He's a decently popular character

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:53 PM

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Also I find it really funny how you can have a Patriarch in the brood brothers kill team

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Like, why?

upper bluff Sep 30, 2025, 3:53 PM

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Because it's cool

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~~Don't worry about the power scaling~~

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:54 PM

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I hope that we get swarmy Tyranids

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Neurogaunts are my personal recommendation

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:54 PM

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marsh tree Also I find it really funny how you can have a Patriarch in the brood brothers k...

They’re an extremely conventional KT with access to weird and fucked up optional support people and the Pat is the ultimate in that basically

upper bluff Sep 30, 2025, 3:54 PM

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I'm just imagining now that they make a Catachan Kill Team and give you the option to have Sly Marbo lol

humble plover Sep 30, 2025, 3:57 PM

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marsh tree the things I want the most are Sisters of Silence and mixed Daemons

My biggest wishlist item is definitely also sisters of silence

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:57 PM

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My vague understanding is that the really competitive choice is the Magus but I don’t play em

humble plover Sep 30, 2025, 3:57 PM

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Unsurprisingly for anyone who's talked to me here lol

pastel rampart Sep 30, 2025, 3:57 PM

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floral herald They’re an extremely conventional KT with access to weird and fucked up optional...

It's also really kind of in line with Space Hulk having a patriarch and honestly, what is Space Hulk if not a proto-Kill Team.

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:58 PM

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Fingers crossed for armiger as a boss

humble plover Sep 30, 2025, 3:58 PM

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floral herald My vague understanding is that the really competitive choice is the Magus but I ...

I know it was before the July nerfs, but I don't know how it's holding up now

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 3:58 PM

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Have to activate carapace, legs, and each arm separately, maybe

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Or a unique system based on damaging different parts of the knight

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 3:59 PM

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pastel rampart It's also really kind of in line with Space Hulk having a patriarch and honestly...

Actually I think you’re onto something

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Iirc space hulk is actually the closest rules antecedent to kill team

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 4:01 PM

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upper bluff I'm just imagining now that they make a Catachan Kill Team and give you the opti...

Maybe not specifically him but there’s a lot of teams like that who can trade down models for power

upper bluff Sep 30, 2025, 4:03 PM

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I think the Catachan Kill team would be super successful if it released with parts to build both Sly Marbo and a generic sergeant. I swear if they just write him out silently like yarick I will actually be sad

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 4:04 PM

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I think Yarrick living to retire in relative peace and dying old is tuff as hell honestly

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Most one sided rivalry in 40K it rules

upper bluff Sep 30, 2025, 4:08 PM

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I think its cool too I guess I just wish it got a little more attention

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 4:08 PM

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Yeah I agree

upper bluff Sep 30, 2025, 4:09 PM

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Its the eternal problem with 40k and having named characters on the table

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Like on one hand I want people to always be able to play the models they bought and assembled but on the other I want the timeline to move along

pastel rampart Sep 30, 2025, 4:10 PM

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floral herald Iirc space hulk is actually the closest rules antecedent to kill team

More on a conceptual level than rules, since both games have a "specific units from existing armies fight on a small scale" thing going on. SH is more narrow than KT but you can see a kind of growth outwards from SH since it was so popular and filled a certain niche that is now (mostly) taken up by KT.

desert jay Sep 30, 2025, 4:11 PM

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I'm trying to remember if crisis suits were legal for boarding action

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I know termies are

thin ibex Sep 30, 2025, 4:11 PM

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They are

upper bluff Sep 30, 2025, 4:11 PM

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yeah you can have one group of any of the three crisis suit types

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no broadsides though obviously

thin ibex Sep 30, 2025, 4:12 PM

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They're decently good in boarding actions iirc

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Fire knives and starscythes I feel shine

rocky shale Sep 30, 2025, 4:15 PM

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Wraiths can do boarding actions too

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So roughly the same as crisis and termies

upper bluff Sep 30, 2025, 4:17 PM

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I really think Crisis Suits are the perfect 40k design. I cheer both when they're doing cool Mecha things and also when they're getting torn apart by a 12' 5" man wearing a trucks worth of steel

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The perfect creation for a setting like this

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 4:21 PM

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pastel rampart More on a conceptual level than rules, since both games have a "specific units f...

I agree but also I think APL and the melee rules are kinda similar in SH

mental birch Sep 30, 2025, 4:31 PM

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thin ibex Fire knives and starscythes I feel shine

Imo fireknives better

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Mostly because they easily fill a gap in boarding action

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That tau have

thin ibex Sep 30, 2025, 4:33 PM

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I do wish crisis were at least the same toughness as Gravis marines

mental birch Sep 30, 2025, 4:39 PM

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All suits +1 toughness

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Means lasguns hit crisis on 6's

hollow laurelBOT Sep 30, 2025, 4:41 PM

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Question for 40k: Are Krieg Combat Engineers any good in melee?

main pagoda Sep 30, 2025, 4:44 PM

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they are passable as far as base guard go

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they have S4 base which is nice but hit on 4s and with siege regiment they have fight on death

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they bash a fire warriors brains in but any actual melee unit will turn them into red mist

rocky shale Sep 30, 2025, 4:48 PM

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So basically no

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Okay at killing other guardsmen but I wouldn't like intentionally charge them in unless it was to kill a couple models

main pagoda Sep 30, 2025, 4:50 PM

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they work quite well as a tarpit

rocky shale Sep 30, 2025, 4:51 PM

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Isn't a tarpit unit usually durable?

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They're kinda like a speedbump

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Decent speed bump still

main pagoda Sep 30, 2025, 4:52 PM

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well what your going to be using them for is probably giving yo atleast a turn before the mega death ball from hitting your valuables

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 4:54 PM

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hollow laurel Question for 40k: Are Krieg Combat Engineers any good in melee?

Not really

rocky shale Sep 30, 2025, 4:55 PM

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main pagoda well what your going to be using them for is probably giving yo atleast a turn b...

Yeah that's generally referred to as like a screening unit

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A tarpit is like 20 necron warriors with orikan + res orb

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Big blob that you get stuck in for multiple rounds

hollow laurelBOT Sep 30, 2025, 4:55 PM

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So, okay against GEQs, terrible against MEQs, and well, half the melee units are MEQs.

main pagoda Sep 30, 2025, 4:56 PM

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if you want an actual melee unit theres bullgryns

hollow laurelBOT Sep 30, 2025, 4:58 PM

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<- Used to not having auxilia.

rocky shale Sep 30, 2025, 4:58 PM

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hollow laurel So, okay against GEQs, terrible against MEQs, and well, half the melee units are...

I'd hardly say okay even. Statistically they only kill like 1-2 geq unless you use fix bayonets

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Or hell even if you do

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Bullgryns are great yeah

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 4:59 PM

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hollow laurel So, okay against GEQs, terrible against MEQs, and well, half the melee units are...

They’re just not really a melee unit

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Basically 1 step above the worst melee profiles in the game

thin ibex Sep 30, 2025, 5:02 PM

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Tarpit doesn't really need to be super durable, it just needs to stop a unit from going where it wants to for like at least one turn. Does call for a minimum amount of durability i suppose

mental birch Sep 30, 2025, 5:02 PM

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I mean the only requirement is being able to stand in front for 1 turn

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Ahhahaha

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Movement happens first after all

rocky shale Sep 30, 2025, 5:02 PM

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Isn't that just screening?

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A tarpit is like a different thing in my mind

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A screening unit isn't necessary a tarpit unit

mental birch Sep 30, 2025, 5:03 PM

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Yeah fair but the stop a thing from getting somewhere for 1 turn doesnt need durability

rocky shale Sep 30, 2025, 5:05 PM

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Agreed

thin ibex Sep 30, 2025, 5:23 PM

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as far as i know, the engis are a damage piece that can get stuck in as a last ditch (though i prefer them with shotties)

rocky shale Sep 30, 2025, 5:24 PM

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They're cheap dudes with some random utility and damage

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Which is a very good type of unit

marsh tree Sep 30, 2025, 5:55 PM

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floral herald Iirc space hulk is actually the closest rules antecedent to kill team

Need grey knights terminator vs Genestealer

glossy vapor Sep 30, 2025, 7:11 PM

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for kill team players: does anyone have any insight as to why initative is a roll off each round (with rock paper scissors to start) instead of just alternating between players each round.

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 7:12 PM

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glossy vapor for kill team players: does anyone have any insight as to why initative is a rol...

Stops you from making plans around knowing you’ll go first or second next round

sour sequoia Sep 30, 2025, 7:12 PM

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verbal ermine wait the genestealers are doing better than the nids??

they're gonna go down a lot soon given Host of Ascension's nerfs, GSC was very good because your standard gameplan bodies hyper-elite armies, and did fine into the extremely overscaled hyper-elite armies everybody else had to skew for

floral herald Sep 30, 2025, 7:12 PM

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Though the 2025 Approved Ops can make it kinda deterministic

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It’s mostly to stop you from making end of round plays with the certainty you go first

rocky shale Sep 30, 2025, 7:13 PM

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sour sequoia they're gonna go down a lot soon given Host of Ascension's nerfs, GSC was very g...

Also nids have been kinda bad all edition

sour sequoia Sep 30, 2025, 7:13 PM

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and your standard gameplan meant 140 bodies that people didn't have the volume to deal with if they didn't wanna auto-lose to Death Guard/Knights, along with the usual 'GSC has infinite movement and will max every secondary, if you fall behind on primary you're not getting it back'

sour sequoia Sep 30, 2025, 7:14 PM

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rocky shale Also nids have been kinda bad all edition

Vanguard and tunnel bugs are ridiculously good detachments, but people by and large don't really wanna play em

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Nids aren't a killy army at all currently

rocky shale Sep 30, 2025, 7:19 PM

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sour sequoia Vanguard and tunnel bugs are ridiculously good detachments, but people by and la...

Yeah they do have good options just like

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No S12

sour sequoia Sep 30, 2025, 7:20 PM

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My experience with nids is if anybody gets over crusher stampede not being a million undercosted extremely killy monsters like it used to be, and plays the tricky objective denial, tyranids are perfectly strong

thin ibex Sep 30, 2025, 7:27 PM

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i feel like when not viewed through a really comp lens, crusher stampede is still kinda fine, even if its one of the weaker nid detaches; especially post the newer tunneling one

sour sequoia Sep 30, 2025, 7:29 PM

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Crusher Stampede actually is also fine but its not Kill its funny trade-ups and using clever deadly demises

mental birch Sep 30, 2025, 7:29 PM

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Retaliation is fine

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But like why do people keep trying to make it a super killy sweeper

sour sequoia Sep 30, 2025, 7:30 PM

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There’s a Guytype that believes combat superiority is all wargaming is

west zealot Sep 30, 2025, 9:03 PM

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mental birch But like why do people keep trying to make it a super killy sweeper

Mental overhead and fatigue, I suspect.

Raw killing power is a lot easier to tactically pilot and make moment to moment decisions with

mild glen Sep 30, 2025, 9:26 PM

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Today I learned that the Guy In Charge Of Warhammer Stuff at my FLGS doesn't quite understand how Leadership Tests work

tepid stratus Sep 30, 2025, 9:26 PM

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Rip

mild glen Sep 30, 2025, 9:27 PM

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Namely, he seems to believe that any failed leadership tests cause battleshock

tepid stratus Sep 30, 2025, 9:28 PM

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That's quite the misconception

thin ibex Sep 30, 2025, 9:36 PM

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very different game

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incidentally makes leadership test forces much stronger

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also makes CSM kinda suck

mild glen Sep 30, 2025, 9:45 PM

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It came up in relation to the Ork Taktikal Brigade, but yes.

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 1:19 AM

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I have been motivated to make an Aeldari Warrior Aspect for psykers to vent their warp-fueled anger

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 1:26 AM

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Aren't all Aeldari psykers

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Like innately

upper canopy Oct 1, 2025, 1:27 AM

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Yes

floral herald Oct 1, 2025, 1:33 AM

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untold swallow I have been motivated to make an Aeldari Warrior Aspect for psykers to vent thei...

These are warlocks

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Though strictly speaking it’s a special path you can only walk after spending time as an aspect warrior but you keep your aspect mask at the shrine when it’s time to go to psyker war

upper canopy Oct 1, 2025, 1:35 AM

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Eldar all being violent murderers deep down is their best bit imo

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 1:43 AM

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floral herald Though strictly speaking it’s a special path you can only walk *after* spending ...

I know warlocks exist, but this Path exists specifically as a way for Seers to basically use their psyker abilities while on the Warrior Path as a sort of controlled release

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while warlocks are simply seers who can elect to follow their former Aspect Warrior fellows back to the Shrine when a warhost is drawn up

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 1:44 AM

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untold swallow I know warlocks exist, but this Path exists specifically as a way for Seers to b...

And while that is dangerous, I will point out Warp Spiders are considered suicidal daredevils for doing basically the same thing but with warp-based teleporting instead of using psychic powers to blow shit up

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But they exist

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 1:47 AM

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upper canopy Eldar all being violent murderers deep down is their best bit imo

All the best elves from any media are those who reckon with the fact being so archetypically long-lived is gonna make you feel some deep shit

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And a lot of that can be fucking murderous rage

charred bridge Oct 1, 2025, 1:47 AM

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Well Eldar feel stronger emotions than humans

upper canopy Oct 1, 2025, 1:48 AM

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Eldar are also, deep down, a genetic project to make a race of psionic warriors

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they are MADE to kill

charred bridge Oct 1, 2025, 1:48 AM

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Their highest highs is like higher than any humans can conceive and they made themselves even more intense

upper canopy Oct 1, 2025, 1:48 AM

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they don't HAVE medicine, they just have latent wolverine regeneration that a special psyker helps you activate

charred bridge Oct 1, 2025, 1:49 AM

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They didn't need it either, they could reincarnate before slaanesh

stark cypress Oct 1, 2025, 1:49 AM

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untold swallow And a lot of that *can* be fucking murderous rage

"Okay, so, why isn't your aunt here again."

"Auntie Nessia has very, uh, 'strong passions'. My mother told me she joined up with an all Orcish women's fighting league."

"Wait, wait, wait. You're aunt is The Raging Dryad!?"

"Yeah, pretty much."

charred bridge Oct 1, 2025, 1:49 AM

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Old Ones are a helluva drug

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 1:49 AM

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upper canopy Eldar are also, deep down, a genetic project to make a race of psionic warriors

okay where is this said cuz now I know what they embody if I can link that to Khaine XD

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Is this some War in Heaven shit?

charred bridge Oct 1, 2025, 1:50 AM

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Yea

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The Old Ones uplifted Aeldari to work along side Krorks to fight off Necrons/C'tan

upper canopy Oct 1, 2025, 1:51 AM

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Yeah

charred bridge Oct 1, 2025, 1:51 AM

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They cite their sources well in the footnotes
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Aeldari

Aeldari

Aeldari, the Eldar term for their species are an ancient naturally psychic race of elf-like humanoids created as weapons by the Old Ones to win the War in Heaven[18] in the aftermath of which their Empire dominated the Galaxy through its use of the Webway,[17] but their empire has since collapsed and now they are a dying race.[16]

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 1:52 AM

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"The Empyreal Lions embody Khaine in his aspect as an uplifted psionic weapon, a living conduit for the devastation of the Warp."

upper canopy Oct 1, 2025, 1:53 AM

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See I am not entirerly sold on this concept but "Empyreal Lions" does fuck as a shrine name so I can't even contest it

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 1:54 AM

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l m a o

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The secret sauce of Warham

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a baller name

stark cypress Oct 1, 2025, 1:54 AM

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And or baller names from history

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Like how Ahriman of Thousand Sons is the name of an ancient demon

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Thank you Acceptable Losses podcast for telling me how Dante's infeno influenced War-hams and other game lines.

charred bridge Oct 1, 2025, 1:56 AM

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I love how GW writers the main names are like 2-3 words but some side character that appears in 2 books are like

upper canopy Oct 1, 2025, 1:56 AM

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It is kinda nuts how the Eldar haven't gotten a new aspect warrior type in like

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20 years

stark cypress Oct 1, 2025, 1:57 AM

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charred bridge I love how GW writers the main names are like 2-3 words but some side character ...

"You mean an escalator???"

stark cypress Oct 1, 2025, 1:57 AM

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upper canopy It is kinda nuts how the Eldar haven't gotten a new aspect warrior type in like

Joke Aspect: Striking Fists of Isha.

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Howling Banshees but brawlers with Eldar power fists with mini chainsword claws.

upper canopy Oct 1, 2025, 1:57 AM

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I would fucking LOVE Fist Eldar

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No, no weapons

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 1:58 AM

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upper canopy It is kinda nuts how the Eldar haven't gotten a new aspect warrior type in like

they kiiiinda got Shadow Spectres in the mid-2010s

upper canopy Oct 1, 2025, 1:58 AM

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psychic punches only

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 1:58 AM

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And then

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those got nuked from orbit

stark cypress Oct 1, 2025, 1:58 AM

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upper canopy psychic punches only

Yes

upper canopy Oct 1, 2025, 1:58 AM

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Entire aspect shrine of Gokus

stark cypress Oct 1, 2025, 1:58 AM

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Howling Banshee v. Sister of Battle wrestling match.

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 1:58 AM

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Also I just realized something funny

stark cypress Oct 1, 2025, 1:58 AM

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stark cypress Howling Banshee v. Sister of Battle wrestling match.

Who would win

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 1:58 AM

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I was planning to retcon my Ynnari farseer corsair captain as a former Empyreal Lion

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going against my Space Marine Chapter

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The Lions Rampant

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Who, you know

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Given the name

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Like Lions

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mfw two space lion factions fighting over a star system

stark cypress Oct 1, 2025, 1:59 AM

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"This galaxy ain't big enough for two lions."

"No it is not, Mon'keigh."

upper canopy Oct 1, 2025, 2:02 AM

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The Oficio Assasinorum sniper with a lined up double shot and one incredibly smudged up set of orders:

charred bridge Oct 1, 2025, 2:03 AM

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upper canopy I would fucking LOVE Fist Eldar

I'd want a stupid dangerous weapon like power claw whips.

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It can power claw but the claws detached into a whip and can be retracted, Eldar could make it work

upper canopy Oct 1, 2025, 2:04 AM

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That does feel more on the Deldar side of things to me

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Like that feels like a Wych weapon

charred bridge Oct 1, 2025, 2:07 AM

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Well Eldar got that monofilament gun

upper canopy Oct 1, 2025, 2:07 AM

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They have a few of 'em

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Oh actually

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Craftworld version of that

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would be like

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Walter from Helsing

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https://tenor.com/view/walter-hellsing-ultimate-gif-15405825

Tenor

charred bridge Oct 1, 2025, 2:08 AM

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I looked it up Shuriken weapons

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Deldar probably wouldnt cause it would kill the target

upper canopy Oct 1, 2025, 2:08 AM

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They also have the Harlequin's Kiss

charred bridge Oct 1, 2025, 2:09 AM

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Deldar want to capture at all costs usually

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 2:09 AM

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untold swallow "The Empyreal Lions embody Khaine in his aspect as an uplifted psionic weapon, a...

Khaine is an Aeldari god, the Aeldari were the uplifted ones

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 2:09 AM

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stark cypress "This galaxy ain't big enough for two lions." "No it is not, Mon'keigh."


"You call yourselves Lions, yes?"

"What of it, *xeno*?" the ape spat back, ignorance, hatred, and unthinking smattered across his face. It would be his undoing.

"You do know what happens when a young, upstart lion encroaches on another's territory, yes?"

"I have no time for games! Fight!" The figure loped forward, taking an ugly, clumsy swing at where the Hand-Taker stood a mere millisecond ago.

Her sword found a gap behind his knee, and it slid across the joint like the touch of a lover. The armored oaf dropped to a knee before striking out with an armored fist, having to brace against the deck with his sword like a walking cane,

"They are driven out, or killed." She whispered as she held the keen, splattered edge of her blade to his neck, "Choose, cub."```

upper canopy Oct 1, 2025, 2:09 AM

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Nah, usually killing incredibly painfully is fine

upper canopy Oct 1, 2025, 2:09 AM

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rocky shale Khaine is an Aeldari god, the Aeldari were the uplifted ones

Well, teeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeechnically

charred bridge Oct 1, 2025, 2:09 AM

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Well capturing lets you cause suffering long term

upper canopy Oct 1, 2025, 2:10 AM

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the Aeldari gods and the Aeldari weren't different species or anything like that, the gods were just the Aeldari at the end of their evolution

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 2:10 AM

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rocky shale Khaine is an Aeldari god, the Aeldari were the uplifted ones

I mean now we're gonna get in a conversation of 'does Aeldari god mean wholesale Warp entity, or a "first among the uplifted" situation'

upper canopy Oct 1, 2025, 2:10 AM

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LMAO

charred bridge Oct 1, 2025, 2:10 AM

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Warp entity, theres a bit of Khaine in a craftworld

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 2:10 AM

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Hey I know The Elf Tropes

upper canopy Oct 1, 2025, 2:10 AM

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I cut off Rhi in traffic in my big tonka truck

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these space elves are so fucking funny they make me want to merge without looking

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 2:11 AM

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charred bridge Warp entity, theres a bit of Khaine in a craftworld

I mean he is now but like

charred bridge Oct 1, 2025, 2:11 AM

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Isha is also somewhere in nurgle's garden

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 2:11 AM

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So is a Daemon

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And a Daemon can have been a mortal

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 2:11 AM

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But yeah warlocks are basically seers who have also walked the path of the warrior which make them the kinda De facto psychic warrior

upper canopy Oct 1, 2025, 2:11 AM

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Isha might be dead actually

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 2:12 AM

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rocky shale But yeah warlocks are basically seers who have also walked the path of the warri...

My ultimate trap card; But I Wanna /j

charred bridge Oct 1, 2025, 2:12 AM

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When did would have killed her

upper canopy Oct 1, 2025, 2:12 AM

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They kinda softly retconned Isha a while ago and then just kinda stopped mentioning her

charred bridge Oct 1, 2025, 2:12 AM

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THats just a lot of the writing

upper canopy Oct 1, 2025, 2:12 AM

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I mean yeah

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 2:12 AM

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Also, not insignificantly

upper canopy Oct 1, 2025, 2:12 AM

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But like, Isha might be dead or missing because of Warhammer Fantasy

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 2:13 AM

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Fuck, warlocks suck as

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actual combatants

upper canopy Oct 1, 2025, 2:13 AM

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On tabletop yeah

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lore wise no

charred bridge Oct 1, 2025, 2:13 AM

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Why would warhammer fantasy play into 40k?

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 2:13 AM

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Tbh they're still pretty good currently

upper canopy Oct 1, 2025, 2:13 AM

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Because Chaos is Chaos

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 2:13 AM

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Warlock conclaves do work

charred bridge Oct 1, 2025, 2:13 AM

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Like in AoS slaanesh is captured

upper canopy Oct 1, 2025, 2:14 AM

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Yes I know

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But ever since they freed Isha in Fantasy they said that the woman tied up in Nurgle's workshop is a daemon completely unrelated to Isha as the last mention of it

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 2:14 AM

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untold swallow ```Galadwyr strode back and forth across the deck of the derelict craft her crew...

also damn I just riffed this in two minutes and I'm really proud of it

stark cypress Oct 1, 2025, 2:16 AM

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You're a very good writer

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I wish to know more about this astartes picking a fight with his elder.

charred bridge Oct 1, 2025, 2:17 AM

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I dont see why that happening in fantasy would mean that happen in 40k

stark cypress Oct 1, 2025, 2:17 AM

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It's sorta because like the Gods are linked?

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What they do in 40K, it can get reflected back in fantasy. And is just an example of the multiversal fight between Order and Chaos.

charred bridge Oct 1, 2025, 2:18 AM

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Is it literally the same gods, like its the same nurgle in both settings at different times or whatever

stark cypress Oct 1, 2025, 2:18 AM

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Yes

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They're the same in both universes.

charred bridge Oct 1, 2025, 2:19 AM

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Where is that stated

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 2:19 AM

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stark cypress I wish to know more about this astartes picking a fight with his elder.

The Eldar in question is Galadwyr the Hand-Taker, Seer-Princess and Captain of the Presaged Host, an Ynnari Corsair band currently swelled in numbers thanks to her defeat of and new romantic relationship with the Archon Knar-Atvysk the Wounded

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The Astartes is likely a Huntsman of the Lions Rampant, battlefield assassins who specialize in killing enemy commanders in melee combat

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Think a specialized formation of Reivers, like what Dark Angels Inner Circle Companions are to normal Bladeguard Vets

stark cypress Oct 1, 2025, 2:20 AM

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Ah

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I love this

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 2:22 AM

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lol thank you

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Her archon girltoy has a wraithbone prosthetic because she threw down the gauntlet and did not expect her comparatively twiggy new commander to just

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draw and throw down

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and cut her fucking arm off with no hesitation

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She is not-unintentionally inspired by Olivier Armstrong, though does not have the comic relief of her improbable physical strength

stark cypress Oct 1, 2025, 2:27 AM

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Oh my god

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This is funny to me

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I know you said she was inspired by Olly.

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Does this mean there is a brother in the equation who shows off their strength?

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 2:29 AM

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There is not an Alex, she is an only child 😔

stark cypress Oct 1, 2025, 2:29 AM

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noooooooooooooo

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Imagine the possibility of a flex-off against a firstborn

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I don't know why that would happen

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but it would be funny

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 2:30 AM

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I mean

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Aeldari are gonna lose that no matter what lol

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Unless Knar-Atvysk has had some weird shit done to her by Haemonculi

floral herald Oct 1, 2025, 2:31 AM

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upper canopy 20 years

Crimson Hunters :^)

stark cypress Oct 1, 2025, 2:31 AM

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untold swallow Unless Knar-Atvysk has had some *weird* shit done to her by Haemonculi

Oh no, I meant the hypothetical brother.

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Imagine it. An elder-space wolf flex off.

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Nah, that space wolf would destroy

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But now I'm thinking of statuesque lady eldar.

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Curse you brain!

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 2:32 AM

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<XD

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 2:33 AM

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stark cypress But now I'm thinking of statuesque lady eldar.

"Literally statuesque. She did replace the hand I took with wraithbone, after all~"

stark cypress Oct 1, 2025, 2:34 AM

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"You Eldar and your courting customs confuse me. Please let me go."

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 2:34 AM

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l m a o

stark cypress Oct 1, 2025, 2:35 AM

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I am here all week

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 2:36 AM

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God now im just imagining this is a poor fucking remembrancer who in exchange for living offered to literally just

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Make a statue

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And be allowed to fuck off

stark cypress Oct 1, 2025, 2:37 AM

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Oh my god

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"Wait, wait, wait. You mean they let you go?"

"Yes..."

"How?"

"I was forced to make a statue for an Eldar pirate as a gift to her lady-wife."

"..."

"It is as ridiculous as it sounds, Monroose."

"Was the wife alluring?"

"Can your dirty guardsman mind think straight!?"

"Nah."

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 2:40 AM

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The guardsman is a lady

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"Can only think gay, milord remembrancer."

stark cypress Oct 1, 2025, 2:41 AM

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This is giving me ideas

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Heretical ideas

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 2:41 AM

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Write! That! Fic!

stark cypress Oct 1, 2025, 2:41 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/evil-smile-evil-evil-laugh-gif-10865501938883882879

Tenor

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https://tenor.com/view/we'll-figure-something-out-matthew-hussey-the-hungry-hussey-we'll-come-up-with-something-we'll-find-a-way-gif-317364915026625124

Tenor

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 2:42 AM

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To get back to the actual brew of the Empyreal Lions, I have realized how to give them their niche in the Eldar Psychic Blast Portfolio

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They are the embodiment of Khaine's Aspect as the devastation the Warp can bring, right? And Khaine is known for his deep wells of unending rage

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Hazardous profile

stark cypress Oct 1, 2025, 2:45 AM

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ohhhhhh

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 2:52 AM

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"WE ARE THE EMPYREAN WRATH OF HE, THE BLOODY-HANDED!"

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 2:52 AM

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Melta 2 D3 damage on D6 shots per model???

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On like an aspect warrior?

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 2:54 AM

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you know what, yeaahhh

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 2:54 AM

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I will say generally Aeldari don't have hazardous profiles because lore about not wanting to get thier souls eaten by slaanesh

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I actually can't think of a single hazardous profile

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 2:55 AM

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I mean I think it fits the vibe, playing off those reasons

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 2:55 AM

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Fair

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 2:56 AM

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Like this Path is explicitly 'Seer-mom I physically cannot calm down without using my mind to kill someone.'

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'Go to this Warrior Shrine for a century, you'll feel better.'

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 2:56 AM

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That themeing is a bit wierd if using the discipline can just pop you

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Maybe there's a different way to represent angey wizard

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 2:57 AM

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mmm, fair

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Not me forgetting Hazardous is 3 mortals, not 1

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Yeah this needs changing

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 2:58 AM

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Either way aspect warriors are 1W

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Except exarchs who are 2

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T3 1W and 3-5+ saves

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 2:59 AM

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So I am admittedly being a little weird

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and copying the unit size and wounds of Shining Spears

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Hazardous would still pop them, but they're 3-6 models, 2W, 3W on Exarch

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But I was misremembering Hazardous as 1 Mortal, not 3

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 3:10 AM

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As infantry?

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2W elves is sacrilege

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Also as a disclaimer, shining spears are kinda ass

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 3:17 AM

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untold swallow and copying the unit size and wounds of Shining Spears

Jail

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 3:17 AM

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dabs

charred bridge Oct 1, 2025, 3:18 AM

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Sounds like an Exarch or an Aspect that's about to become one

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 3:20 AM

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The extra wound on spears is the bike lmao

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Shroud runners are 3W because two elves on the same bike

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 3:21 AM

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Well how would I compensate for the unit being 3-6 models of wizards that can't staple themselves to guardians like a conclave can lol

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 3:22 AM

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4++ invuln

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All aspect warriors are glass cannons

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3+/4++ if you want to give them heavy aspect armor

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Aspect warriors don't die by hiding more than anything else

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They hide, they jump out, and they kill whatever they jumped, then probably take huge casualties to any return fire if there's anything left

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The reason warlocks are a bit wonky is because they're expensive but only 2/4 unit size (they are 2W each) but have short range flamers but not much speed

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The other short range (not melee) aspect is fire dragons which have assault on thier guns and are massively punchy into their desired targets because they reroll literally everything

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 3:29 AM

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I've received both your and another person's advice on this matter and will report back

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 3:29 AM

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Warlocks are solid in seer council where you can just teleport them 9" away from someone to blast them with psychic flamers

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 3:30 AM

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Their advice was 'fucking commit'

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 3:30 AM

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Lol

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 3:30 AM

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'this is the psychic melee aspect, fuck the witchblade profile, make their ranged psychic attack throwing their fucking sword'

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'commit'

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 3:30 AM

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Looool

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Witchblade unfortunately kinda ass at 0AP

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 3:32 AM

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Real

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 3:35 AM

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Warlocks are all about the D6+2 s7 flamer

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 3:41 AM

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Well these fuckers are all about their swords

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rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 4:04 AM

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OK vaguely similar to banshee blades, fair

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 4:12 AM

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God should they even have shuriken pistols...

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no they should

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or...

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nah, no shuriken pistols

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They shoot swordbeams anyhow

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also, entirely unrelated to this topic

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I think I spotted a 40k reference in a Haken song????

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'I touch the void and feel no pain'

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'touch the void' is a phrase for 'use psyker abilities' a couple times and

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well

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feel no pain is feel no pain

thin ibex Oct 1, 2025, 4:24 AM

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How much ap on a witch blade?

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 4:24 AM

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It's a stretch but it tickles my brain

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 4:24 AM

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thin ibex How much ap on a witch blade?

Big fat nada

thin ibex Oct 1, 2025, 4:24 AM

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Oh yo? Kinda lame

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Anti infantry 2+ is nice

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But no ap is a bummer

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 4:25 AM

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Oh yeah talus you wanna get the lowdown on what the fuck I'm doing lol

thin ibex Oct 1, 2025, 4:26 AM

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Lol sure

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 4:39 AM

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I am making a psyker aspect warrior shrine

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They are the aspect of khaine as an uplifted psychic weapon

thin ibex Oct 1, 2025, 4:41 AM

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Hmm so how do you plan on carving out the niche? What are they good at?

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Are they flamer troops?

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 4:43 AM

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They emulate Khaine by empowering their bodies and weapons with their powers, and their ranged attacks are swordbeams

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And their ability is meant to emulate his mastery of warfare by giving their melee weapons a different ability in a fight phase

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They can pick between Dev Wounds, Precision, or Sustained 2

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 4:43 AM

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TBH I dont think there are any hybrid melee/ranged aspects outside of like random exarch weapon choices

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 4:44 AM

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I mean most AWs have shuriken pistols

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and the swordbeam is undeniably not their good attack

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 4:44 AM

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Outside of pistols

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 4:44 AM

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They just

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have a swordbeam

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 4:44 AM

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Ah fair

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Gotcha

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 4:44 AM

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ye it's 1 attack, while their melee is 4

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3

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shite

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 4:44 AM

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untold swallow And their ability is meant to emulate his mastery of warfare by giving their mel...

This has kinda an autarch-y vibe to it

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 4:44 AM

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mmmm, fair

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 4:45 AM

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Aspect warriors are like specialist freaks

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An autarch has just been a freak for many different things, hence their mastery of warfare

thin ibex Oct 1, 2025, 4:45 AM

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So going for a mini avatar of khaine unit, 5/10 man?

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 4:45 AM

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'mastery of warfare' was purple prose on my part tbh

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It's a psychic ability where they're just powering up their fun wacky force swords in different ways

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 4:46 AM

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thin ibex So going for a mini avatar of khaine unit, 5/10 man?

soooooorta?

thin ibex Oct 1, 2025, 4:46 AM

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Was thinking about how the avatar has big sword beam then scary sword

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 4:47 AM

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I mean yeah that is very much where their swordbeam has its origin

thin ibex Oct 1, 2025, 4:47 AM

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These are meant to sit somewhere between scorpions, banshees, and the... I forget what they're called, the ghost warriors with axes or dual sword?

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 4:47 AM

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wraithblades

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 4:48 AM

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wrathblades arent aspects, theyre a whole other deal

thin ibex Oct 1, 2025, 4:48 AM

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Oh I'm not talking about aspect, just mechanics

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 4:48 AM

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Ohhh

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Yeah

thin ibex Oct 1, 2025, 4:49 AM

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The scorpions are like, better armored chaff devourers with infiltrate, banshees are infantry lawnmowers (they have adv+charge right?), and wraithbois are slow, tough, and hit reasonably hard

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So these guys don't have infil, are not speed killers, but they're faster than wraiths and I'm guessing punch harder than banshees against non infantry

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Btw, are there compelling reasons to take the mirrors mirrorswords or triskele over the executioner?

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 4:51 AM

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I mean triskele

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kinda goes fuckin crazy with anti inf

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 4:51 AM

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mirrorswords are better into MEQ I think but executioner is amazing on the off chance you run into TEQ

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Triskele falls into the category of "exarch weapon that's supposed to round out what the squad is good into" like the fire dragon flamer or dire avenger sword

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However all of those are pretty bad for the most part

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It makes the squad a bit better into 1W models but much worse into 2/3W

thin ibex Oct 1, 2025, 4:53 AM

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Sort of like DA power glaive and shield

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 4:53 AM

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Yup

thin ibex Oct 1, 2025, 4:54 AM

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Which btw i do still like to bring classic DA exarch with the pistol and diresword even though I know it's not exactly good

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 4:54 AM

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DA melee almost gets a pass since asurmen's melee can actually rip pretty okay if theyre in a squad with him, but its still generally the wrong choice

thin ibex Oct 1, 2025, 4:54 AM

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Because the diresword is kind of like... the whole point

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Lore wise anyway

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And the power glaive DOES look pretty sick

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But it feels like if you bring a shield exarch, he's just supposed to die first for the squad

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Which feels weird

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 4:56 AM

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I would only consider it with asurmen in the squad but its not a terrible idea

thin ibex Oct 1, 2025, 4:56 AM

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Wish the diresword still had dev wounds so you could pretend it'd do something

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Aren't avengers meant to be quite good at swords too lore wise?

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 4:57 AM

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Asurmen's does

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Its like an exarch weapon

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"Other Exarch will instead choose to leave behind the ranged combat skills that defined their early days upon the Path of the Warrior and focus on their hand-to-hand combat techniques, choosing to wield a combination of either Shuriken Pistol and Diresword or Power Weapon and Shimmershield if the Exarch prefers to concentrate exclusively on his or her melee role. "

thin ibex Oct 1, 2025, 4:58 AM

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Huh OK

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 4:58 AM

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DA's are "tactical flexibility" as their thing

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AKA boring

thin ibex Oct 1, 2025, 4:59 AM

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Lol pssh

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I like it

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 4:59 AM

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Eldarsmurfs

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 4:59 AM

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warp spiders are the best executed melee hybrid aspect

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Lhykis with the melee exarch is wiiiiild

thin ibex Oct 1, 2025, 5:00 AM

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DA might be one of my favorite unit of the aspects, though it once was fire dragons. Not sure why i like em as much as I go

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 5:00 AM

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oh hey look the aspect warriors whose methods I pointed to in order to justfy the Empyreal Lions

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XDDDD

thin ibex Oct 1, 2025, 5:00 AM

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But I always bring at least one DA unit

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 5:00 AM

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Asurmen + 5 DAs in a falcon can put out good damage

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 5:00 AM

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'But the aspect warriors are meant to not use their psychic potential for fear of attracting She-Who-Thirsts in a war fervor'

thin ibex Oct 1, 2025, 5:01 AM

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Lykis plus power blade array exarch is like a billion attacks just between the two of em

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 5:01 AM

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'Fucking explain the warp teleporting daredevel assassins then'

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 5:01 AM

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The teleporting is a jump pack, not a psychic ability

thin ibex Oct 1, 2025, 5:01 AM

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Warp spiders mamas didn't raise no quitters

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 5:01 AM

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It also hurls them directly into the Warp

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 5:02 AM

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Oh yeah its also the suicial aspect

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"Despite this accolade, Warp Spiders are also regarded as strange and terrifying, the furthest removed from the normal Asuryani mindset of all the Warrior Aspects. Warp Spiders also tend to have a bleak outlook on life, and rarely mix with the warriors from the other Aspect Shrines. "

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 5:03 AM

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Anyways I know a psyker aspect shrine is stretching it but also pfdbbbbbt Khaine manifests through the Warp nowadays via his avatars anyways

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 5:05 AM

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honestly the most important part is finding them a mechanical niche that still feels "aspect warrior"-y

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and also elfy

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 5:05 AM

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lol

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 5:06 AM

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rocky shale honestly the most important part is finding them a mechanical niche that still f...

warp-fueled physical prowess feels pretty Khaine-y and thus Aspect-y to me

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 5:06 AM

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specifically what I mean is like, extremely specialized

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 5:06 AM

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mmm, fair

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 5:07 AM

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how they do it is more flavor, but the role they would fill in an army where like, banshees are killing heavy infantry, but dont have like a sweep profile that makes them good into light infantry

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scorpions are for light infantry

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fire dragons are only vehicles and have to get right up close to do their job

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warp spiders are teleporty flamer/high volume melee

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stuff like that

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 5:08 AM

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mm mm

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 5:09 AM

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Basically every aspect warrior squad is a tool that you use to eliminate a specific threat

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DA's being a funky exception as "guardians but better"

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 5:10 AM

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Hmmmm

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Fuck

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 5:11 AM

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There are a lot of aspects already so it does make finding a mechanical niche hard

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 5:11 AM

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Well Banshees exist for heavy inf, scorps light

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 5:12 AM

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scorps are tanky, banshees are fast

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 5:12 AM

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Scorps are tanky???

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Oh their save is better and they have stealth, okay

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fair

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 5:12 AM

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stealth and 3+/5++

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3+ armor means tanky

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T3 3+/5++ with stealth or T3 4+/4++ (in melee) is as good as you get without being a wraith or on a bike

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Both 1W lol

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 5:14 AM

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lol

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 5:15 AM

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Warlock conclaves are T3 6+/4++ 2W

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 5:16 AM

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And then Warp Spiders are

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absurdly fucking fast and have deep strike

thin ibex Oct 1, 2025, 5:16 AM

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Lykis makes their threat bubble so stupid big lol

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 5:17 AM

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Theyre just also one of the most expensive aspects

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2nd most after dragons

thin ibex Oct 1, 2025, 5:17 AM

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Well, that threat bubble kinda justifies the price tag

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 5:17 AM

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They're tied with banshees

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what do you mean lol

thin ibex Oct 1, 2025, 5:18 AM

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As for dragons, well big killing power is big killing power

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 5:18 AM

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oh did banshees go up again

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rip

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banshees, spiders, and dragons are all amazing so fair

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banshees also have a hilarious threat range with jain zar

thin ibex Oct 1, 2025, 5:19 AM

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I did a meme full phoenix lord list, my units all die so easy but the phoenix lords tended to carry hard even by themselves

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 5:19 AM

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anyways finding an actual mechanical niche

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 5:19 AM

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16" before a charge

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 5:20 AM

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banshees are for heavy infantry, striking scorpions are tarpits, warp spiders are consistent just

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damage dump threats

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Fuck

thin ibex Oct 1, 2025, 5:20 AM

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I think something like a contact mortals version of votann zerks might be cool,

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An "on the charge killer" vibe

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 5:20 AM

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sorry chthonic bezerks do what?

thin ibex Oct 1, 2025, 5:21 AM

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Oh they don't

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I meant like the plasma axes have two modes

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And then you can do contact mortals or some kind of steroid on the charge

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 5:22 AM

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IMO I wouldnt do strike/sweep profiles for an aspect warrior, kinda defeats the whole point of being specialized

thin ibex Oct 1, 2025, 5:22 AM

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Could also do a fight-on- death unit maybe

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 5:22 AM

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Scorpions do get 5+ crits on charge

thin ibex Oct 1, 2025, 5:22 AM

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A threat block that bites when something tries to run it over

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 5:22 AM

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And aspect host detachment doooooooooooes have a fight on death strat not that the unit couldnt (wraithblades do)

thin ibex Oct 1, 2025, 5:23 AM

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Hmm hmm

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 5:23 AM

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Mortals on charge would be unique for the faction i think

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banshees already have fights first

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 5:23 AM

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would that change how you'd use them tho

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an on charge would make you use em like scorps

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you'd just

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charge them into shit

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 5:24 AM

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There isnt an anti-tank melee aspect yet...

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 5:24 AM

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Friend who inspired me to do this is making one and I don't wanna step on their toes 😔

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Wacky idea

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Objective defense melee

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'fuck you come over here and dislodge us'

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 5:25 AM

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That seems incredibly hard to do on elf profiles

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 5:25 AM

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hhhhnnnngggghhh I fuckin hate Eldar

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 5:25 AM

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Without like making them tankier than wraiths

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 5:25 AM

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(jokes, this is jokes)

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 5:25 AM

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loooool

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Its a big range already

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And they have "mandatory elfiness" stats

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 5:27 AM

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banshees have advance and charge

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god why is this so hard AAAAAAAAAAAA

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 5:27 AM

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and fights first

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big range

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 5:27 AM

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I think a fights on death is a good idea tbh

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These are the Aspect Warriors that are Seers Literally Too Angry To Calm Down Without Fucking Killing Someone

sour sequoia Oct 1, 2025, 5:29 AM

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I will be very real I don’t think the craftworlds hang on to those

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 5:30 AM

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It is 10:30 and I am exaggerating to be funny

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 5:46 AM

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take... 3?

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 5:56 AM

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untold swallow take... 3?

The fnp does give it like a "psychic healing" sorta vibe (yvraine used to give this precodex) though I couldnt see myself ever actually using this unit

charred bridge Oct 1, 2025, 5:56 AM

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untold swallow These *are* the Aspect Warriors that are Seers Literally Too Angry To Calm Down ...

Is this different from an Exarch?

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 5:56 AM

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It should probably have a exarch weapon option tho

charred bridge Oct 1, 2025, 5:56 AM

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The masking thing with aspect warriors is funny to me

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 5:56 AM

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It will, I'm just trying to get the base solid

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Also I beg

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It was a joke

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It was a joooooooooke it is 11 pm

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<XD

charred bridge Oct 1, 2025, 5:57 AM

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If you dont unmask you end up a murder monster that wont stop in the eyes of the other craftworlders

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I think of that personality B with group A meme

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 5:57 AM

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These are kinda banshee coded but a little tougher in a long fight and much worse into TEQ/gravis but maybe better into MEQ?

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 5:58 AM

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So not distinct enough XD

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 5:58 AM

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You get an extra attack and lethal hits, but only wound on 4s and can roll a 1 on the damage and be very sad

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Making distinct T3 melee units will be tough in general lol

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 5:59 AM

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hhhhh, true

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 5:59 AM

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But yeah these are kinda just worse banshees outside of edge cases where your banshee squad doesnt wipe whatever it rockets directly into at mach fuck

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 6:00 AM

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lmao

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Should I lean into the chunky 'psychic abilities are healing them and causing them to be Angery' vibe?

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 6:01 AM

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A banshee squad does 3 things

Kill 10000000 MEQ/Gravis/TEQ per second in combat
Scare everyone from ever charging anywhere near them for fear of heroic intervention
Die to basically any ranged shooting the second they arent locked in combat

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Scorpions do:

What do you mean you have infiltrate AND scout?
Surprise people at how tough stealth and a 3+ save can make a 1W unit
Fail a charge roll that would have ended in you mulching 20 guardsmen but instead you die

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 6:03 AM

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untold swallow Should I lean into the chunky 'psychic abilities are healing them and causing th...

Thematically thats cool but I really dont know how to make a tanky aspect warrior that feels like an aspect warrior squad still

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Since like their whole gimmick is mostly being glass cannons

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fnp in aeldari is usually like some ynnari bullshit

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 6:04 AM

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lmao

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 6:06 AM

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what if liiiiike

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you leaned into normal aeldari psyker bullshit of seer things and gave them some wonky rule like "oh yeah my friends can shoot into combat with me because i can dodge their bullets"

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 6:07 AM

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PFFFFF

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I forgot you can't shoot into combat blobs

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That's funny

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 6:08 AM

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wording exists for this effect in the Worthless Chattel strat for chaos knights

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Ignore the second sentence for these purposes.

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idk if this would make them like good, but it would be unique

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 6:09 AM

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"Enemy units within Engagement Range of only this unit are not considered to be within Engagement Range for the purposes of selecting targets of ranged weapons."

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It makes them a tarpit

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That you really don't want to stick to you

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Cuz even if it's stuck to a valuable target for 1 round

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That's a target that for 1 round gets to get shot at and have a sword shoved up its ass

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 6:11 AM

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untold swallow "Enemy units within Engagement Range of only this unit are not considered to be ...

Add a "during your shooting phase" or enemies can also shoot into that combat

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 6:11 AM

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Ah

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I feel like I should switch the lethal hits on their weapons for something else

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 6:14 AM

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there isnt much melee precision in aeldari

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which would be kinda scary for a good tarpit scalpel thing

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if it was like precision and dev, then you could use aspect tokens to force dev wounds

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 6:15 AM

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but would that be too much

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 6:16 AM

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otherwise you have like the solitaire or jain zar (or others) using epic challenge (but jain zar also gets rr wounds into character units)

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 6:16 AM

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untold swallow but would that be too much

depends on the weapon stats

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you could make just the exarch weapon fancy like that

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 6:16 AM

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give the unit precision, give the Exarch Precision Dev?

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 6:17 AM

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or other way around

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but yeah

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 6:18 AM

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the current stats are as follows

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 6:19 AM

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IMO do dev on the basic weapon and precision on exarch otherwise the unit basically kills any character it touches

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 6:19 AM

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fairs

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 6:19 AM

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esp. at a 2+ WS (no other aspect except banshees get 2+ WS or BS)

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anyways sleep time for me but we're on to something here

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 6:20 AM

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lol ye

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 6:27 AM

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rocky shale anyways sleep time for me but we're on to something here

I know you are do a sleep but I actually really like what we're getting towards

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a suicidal tarpit unit emulating Khaine's willingness to bring the might of the Warp to bear in his body, and stand in the line of fire so the enemy might just fucking die

grim mango Oct 1, 2025, 10:06 AM

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quaint compass Oct 1, 2025, 10:21 AM

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Purdy!

pine matrix Oct 1, 2025, 10:29 AM

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Those rock

grim mango Oct 1, 2025, 11:44 AM

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I'm moving away soon so I'm selling them off! I dont have space to put them in my new place

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its just a bit shy of 3k points

marsh tree Oct 1, 2025, 12:34 PM

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Discuss

marsh tree Oct 1, 2025, 12:56 PM

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Need to do one of these for Age of Sigmar

main pagoda Oct 1, 2025, 1:41 PM

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Put forward it's a long way to Tipperary for guard

pastel rampart Oct 1, 2025, 1:44 PM

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https://bsky.app/profile/kierongillen.bsky.social/post/3m253jcvs4c2x

Kieron Gillen (@kierongillen.bsky.social)

My mum dug out some old photographs.

This is the 28mm scale Warhammer 40k Gargant my brother and I made out of paper mache and kitchen refuse circa 1990.

You may not like it, but this is what ork performance looks like.

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untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 6:07 PM

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@rocky shale here is the Current State™

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 6:33 PM

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untold swallow <@135256156493840384> here is the Current State™

With the exarch weapon we discussed I could see these at like 85 for 5 where I'd consider running these I think

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They have like better melee than a scorpion into anything 2W and are more durable in melee,but don't have the stealth or deployment shenanigans to be a utility piece. I'd probably bring like 1 squad fairly often.

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They're purely like "I am going to kill your space marine captain"

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 6:40 PM

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rocky shale They're purely like "I am going to kill your space marine captain"

pretty much

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oh also their ability got changed to -1 to melee hit rolls against them

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 6:43 PM

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Fair lol

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Less janky

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I would run some math of common melee profiles into them to make sure that 3+/4++/5+++ with -1 to hit isn't just immortal

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OK so 5 assault intercessors kill 2.6 on average

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For 10less points, not bad

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 6:57 PM

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lol

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 6:58 PM

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They kill 4.4 intercessors though

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 6:58 PM

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god damn

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how do banshees compare?

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or scorps

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 6:58 PM

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5.19 if you're in aspect host and reroll 1s to wound

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 6:59 PM

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okay so the lions are in an okay? place sorta

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 7:00 PM

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Banshees kill 3.7 outside of aspect host

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Ignoring the exarch weapon

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Scorpions do 1.8 without charging 2.25 on a charge

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 7:03 PM

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mmm

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problematic

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 7:03 PM

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OK so the 4A might be a little much

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 7:03 PM

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XD

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 7:04 PM

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Going to 3A would be more in line at 3.3 kills avg

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 7:04 PM

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slightly less killy in exchange for being more tanky

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 7:04 PM

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Yeah and leave them at 95pts

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 7:04 PM

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cuz I assume banshees just

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evaporate

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 7:05 PM

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Yeah especially to ranged

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4+/5++against ranged 4+/4++ melee

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Banshees are just much faster and have fights first

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Banshees are also much better into T5 than these guys are

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(these guys do also have better shooting)

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 7:06 PM

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meanwhile these guys are 4+/5++/5+++ ranged and 4+/4++/5+++ -1 to Hit in melee

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 7:06 PM

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rocky shale (these guys do also have better shooting)

I have considered making their shooting 6"

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 7:07 PM

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untold swallow meanwhile these guys are 4+/5++/5+++ ranged and 4+/4++/5+++ -1 to Hit in melee

Yeah they are quite tough in melee (for an elf)

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 7:07 PM

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Which was the point! Success!

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 7:08 PM

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And still have good damage output into T4

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 7:20 PM

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exarch weapon attempt 1

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 7:22 PM

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Wasn't it going to be a precision option?

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 7:23 PM

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Honestly thanks for the reminder cuz I wasn't feeling this

thin ibex Oct 1, 2025, 7:24 PM

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personally id want the sword beam to be like a 1 shot big shot compared to the many attacks in melee

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idea being not a ranged unit, but having a ranged threat that is not insubstantial

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like a str8 attack or something

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 7:44 PM

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untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 7:45 PM

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thin ibex idea being not a ranged unit, but having a ranged threat that is not insubstanti...

eeeehhh, they're already kind of big in sticking to something I feel like a ranged attack like that would make them too versatile

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 8:04 PM

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untold swallow

Challenger is a bit too strong imo

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It's more of an upgrade than the executioner is from the banshee blade by a fair bit

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As in both are +1 A, +2S, +1AP, +1D but the challenger also buffs the ranged attack and gains precision

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 8:06 PM

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mmm, true

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 8:06 PM

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The 2S is also much better for these guys than it is for something that already has anti infantry 3+

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 8:07 PM

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maybe bump it down to just 1 higher S and Ap

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 8:07 PM

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I think the fangsabers is well executed tho

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 8:07 PM

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Same attack, skill, and damage as the empyreal blades?

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 8:07 PM

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Precision, S5 and AP2 probably works yeah

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Or go AP1 D3 to make it better at character sniping?

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Since you only need 1 AP to be on a captains invuln

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Banshee profiles for reference

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Triskele also upgrades the ranged profile

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 8:10 PM

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I feel like D3 is more of a downgrade

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or sidegrade

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 8:12 PM

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It's meh for MEQ profiles but specifically better into 3+/4++ 5-6W characters

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I. E. The stats for a ton of characters

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 8:13 PM

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fair point...

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 8:13 PM

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And it's your precision weapon

untold swallow Oct 1, 2025, 8:18 PM

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eh, fuckit

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D3

finite compass Oct 1, 2025, 8:24 PM

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"So, brothers. I just woke up from stasis and everybody's acting really weird. The frst Tech Priest I run into takes one look at me, screams, and then deactivates. Does anybody know what's going on?"

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stark cypress Oct 1, 2025, 11:31 PM

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"Honored Elder...Perhaps we, uh, should discuss in private about your heraldry."

"Why? Is there an issue?"

"Yes..."

Background

"KILL THE HERETEK!"

"Cease your zealotry, Priest! That is an honored ancient of the Great Crusade!"

sour sequoia Oct 1, 2025, 11:36 PM

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We got a couple high schoolers who are all just starting to get into the game and I’m torn

I wanna help as much as I can cuz my intro to the game & hobby was Hot Ass

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But my only fieldable army is Genestealers

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Resolving to play outlander claw and deploy fully on the table to take it easy lmfao

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Run around in circles and let them blow me up

rocky shale Oct 1, 2025, 11:43 PM

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sour sequoia But my only fieldable army is Genestealers

Fortunate son plays

sour sequoia Oct 1, 2025, 11:44 PM

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Every one of my list names links to a different CCR song

stark cypress Oct 1, 2025, 11:45 PM

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What CCR song are the Guard?

pastel rampart Oct 2, 2025, 12:53 AM

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Been a bit since I did a chaos banner.

paper bluff Oct 2, 2025, 1:06 AM

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stark cypress "Honored Elder...Perhaps we, uh, should discuss in private about your heraldry."...

Here's the thing, would they know?

stark cypress Oct 2, 2025, 1:12 AM

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Would they? Maybe. Maybe not.

floral herald Oct 2, 2025, 1:13 AM

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The Eye of Horus is still a major chaos symbol in general and a black legion symbol in specific

stark cypress Oct 2, 2025, 1:17 AM

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Yeah

pastel rampart Oct 2, 2025, 1:54 AM

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stark cypress Oct 2, 2025, 2:28 AM

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Noice

pastel rampart Oct 2, 2025, 2:28 AM

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Felt the top needed a bit something so I sculpted some fur.

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Gotta wait for it to dry so that's a tomorrow morning thing.

stark cypress Oct 2, 2025, 2:29 AM

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Even cooler

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Imma snip off the top part of las guns from my cadian box.

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marsh tree Oct 2, 2025, 3:03 AM

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was browsing AO3

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WHAT THE FUCK

pastel rampart Oct 2, 2025, 3:06 AM

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He's head over heels for Fulgrim.

marsh tree Oct 2, 2025, 3:06 AM

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go fuck yourself

charred bridge Oct 2, 2025, 3:07 AM

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So many nsfw head jokes you can make

stark cypress Oct 2, 2025, 3:07 AM

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The real question...Who is the top.

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You all may smack for this, but it is a legit question.

west zealot Oct 2, 2025, 3:12 AM

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Ferrus, but fulgrim is the worst kind of demanding bottom

stark cypress Oct 2, 2025, 3:14 AM

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LMAO

thin ibex Oct 2, 2025, 3:27 AM

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ferrus is def the top, fulgrim is a power bottom

rocky shale Oct 2, 2025, 4:09 AM

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goofy ass list

untold swallow Oct 2, 2025, 4:14 AM

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rocky shale goofy ass list

I had to read the player name to be convinced this wasn't Paul of the Screaming Ravens

rocky shale Oct 2, 2025, 4:15 AM

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untold swallow I had to read the player name to be convinced this wasn't Paul of the Screaming ...

he's in the video comments

untold swallow Oct 2, 2025, 4:15 AM

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