Warhammer and Such

[untold swallow]

The librarian succeeds in subduing his friend's apprentice and doesn't seriously wound him.

The chaplain cuts the Lexicanum's head off without a second thought

The Chief Librarian, despite not thinking the course of action was entirely unreasonable, is still really fucking mad and in grief because his apprentice died at his friend's hand

And his friend, sensing this, keeps trying to justify himself, which only further drives the wedge

[humble plover]

except blanks

-# this post brought to you by the self-appointed head of the sisters of silence fan club

[untold swallow]

I think the only time my Marines have met a Custodian is in a Tithes-style scenario

The Custodian evacuating some important asset, but the Chapter being more chill with it cuz 'oh my god it's a true golden agent of the Emperor' and then they tell the Chapter to Exterminatus the system of Shrine Worlds and they all just collectively go "AYO WTF"

[stark cypress]

Yeah, that's like a "What do you mean!?" reaction from the space pope.

And the sisters

and the many, many, many not militia that is used

[untold swallow]

They do it, to be clear

But are not happy

[stark cypress]

Why even order exterminatus for an entire system?

Is it warp crap?

[humble plover]

They did it so hive fleet leviathan couldn't eat it to try to keep them away from the segmentum solar

Oh wait you're talking about Rhi's thing, not Tithes

[untold swallow]

What Cheese said, it'd be as part of the same strategy of creating a firebreak around Segmentum Solar

[floral herald]

There’s chaos blanks! Abaddon has at least a few and Spear was outright possessed by a daemon

[spice flicker]

Thoughts on this 2k Dark Eldar list? I know there is that new codex coming that will change things but for now how does this look? I know having some clowns would likely help but I dont have any of them unfortunately.

[snow shuttle]

Slowly building a guard army, cheapest tank that looked cool

And its a transport

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408609553597464579/1420417489212407889/image.png?ex=68d5525f&is=68d400df&hm=0da7289f6bc74530e2ceb8de48d286ec5e774e33459c2b99bcb04063ca94ec56&

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPdD_11SUDc Gonna have to try this "spray yellow then blue" for plasma coils.

[rocky shale]

Looks functional though imo you don't need a transport for literally every unit.

Some stuff like scourges or a pain engine could be nice

[spice flicker]

Understandable and I was mostly trying to play into the skysplinter mechanized warfare aspect.

[tardy vault]

Man, fuck these DoK point increases.

They made Lifetakers the same as Heartrenders which utterly destroyed my old list

I had to do a complete rework around the core snakes and now I'm running some of the best units in the army instead of the underperforming (but lore friendly and fun) cauldron

just because that's how the points shook out because of how expensive our objective grabbers are

[hollow laurel]

Still trying to figure out how to support Reivers against heavy flanking units without using Suppressors or Eliminators.

Invictors could be good I guess?

[thin ibex]

invictors are decent offensively, they're just fragile

so as far as supporting other infantry, they're decently well suited

[hollow laurel]

Their job will be to chew up anything Reivers can't take on.

[rocky shale]

What do you mean by like, flanking?

Just units not in midboard?

Reivers are usually deep striking or off on the side doing secondaries or chasing small units off objectives

They can't really kill anything super tough but if they get in melee you cant shoot to support them anyways

[hollow laurel]

Oh, yeah, true, can't shoot into melee.

[rocky shale]

If you want a tough melee unit you just have to use a tough melee unit

There's no real way to make your scouts suddenly punch up that hard

Other than a reiver lieutenant

And then just rolling 6s

[hollow laurel]

Mhm.

[thin ibex]

you can soften up a target with shooting but it runs the risk of making charge much harder

[hollow laurel]

So basically, leave the Reivers to keep the flanks on their own and pray they can hold?

[thin ibex]

well, generally, reivers are going to be offensive/objective units rather than counters/defenders

they're great for getting onto back objectives and tearing up some softies/forcing Bshock for the chance for them to give up an obj without dying

[hollow laurel]

Oh, right, they can play fuck-fuck games with the enemy.

[rocky shale]

You're almost never running reivers up the board since they can just deep strike

[hollow laurel]

..I need to check the point limits for DS then.

[thin ibex]

what does the reiver's grapple hook do these days?

[rocky shale]

They are fairly disposable objective harassers, not much of a melee frontline

[thin ibex]

charge through obstructions? cause they can already charge through walls

[rocky shale]

Let's them ignore vertical distance when moving

[thin ibex]

ah ok so they can get up to higher levels without cost

[hollow laurel]

Wait, does Deep Strike just not have a point limit?

[thin ibex]

or charge from the top floor without accounting for moving down

[rocky shale]

Yeah it's niche but when it does something it's cool

[hollow laurel]

I guess the question is then, the hell do I put in a RepEx?

To just storm down the centre as a wrecking ball.

[rocky shale]

Bladeguard are your main option for fontline brick

[thin ibex]

kind of up to you, you can put a good shooting tool or a melee squad of some sort or maybe a flamer squad for overwatch threat

it really depends on what you want in there

[hollow laurel]

Bladeguard means taking a Land Raider instead because at that point they're charging in.

[rocky shale]

For a shooty unit like uhhhh

Hellblasters maybe?

[thin ibex]

Not necessarily, BGV's can get out and charge normally on a following turn; the main thing is if you want to have long charge threats

[rocky shale]

Or infernus if you want flamers

Vanguard vets

[thin ibex]

like turn 2, start of hte move phase, the bgv can walk out and just charge

lr gets you big move + charge threat

[sour sequoia]

Up to one quarter of your army can be in strategic reserves, but units with deep strike don’t count against that. Up to half your army’s points value can start off the table.

If you have the 3-unit redeploy ability somewhere, and it lets you move units into reserves, you can break the 50% limit.

Hello I play GSC I have every deployment rule memorized

[thin ibex]

but yeah otherwise a good generalist would be hellblasters or infernus

[hollow laurel]

Well, 430pt is less than 500pt. >:3

[sour sequoia]

Most armies its a mistake to break off more than about 33% of your list

I would not go beyond 500pts or so for marines, you’re probably set

[rocky shale]

In marines you're generally deep striking either terminators or a random blorbo for secondaries

[hollow laurel]

It's built for a 1000pt game, but er, yeah. I'm planning on just sticking 2 Reiver squads in the backline using deep strike.

[rocky shale]

You're running 430 points of reivers??

[hollow laurel]

2 Reiver squads with Lts, yes.

[rocky shale]

The main drawback of deep strike of you have to make 9" charges if you're trying to get into melee right away

So unless you rapid ingress or deep strike behind a building and move the next turn, those guys are potentially gonna get chewed up before they do anything

[hollow laurel]

True. Perhaps this list is just DoA.

It's very much meant to be a Reivers Do Things, with a wrecking ball in the centre.

[thin ibex]

bold choice to bring big reiver blobs, but i respect it

They ARE marine bodies with a chainsword attack profile and can force bshock

[rocky shale]

IMO reivers are good utility pieces in 5s

[hollow laurel]

Two five-mans with Lts? Yeah

[rocky shale]

I'd honestly drop the lt

They make a uulity unit twice and expensive to just do more damage

When the point of the unit isn't really to do a ton of damage

[vital barn]

I admit I am not expert on 10e, but a min squad of objective monkeys seldom warrants its own character in my experience

[hollow laurel]

Fair enough.

[vital barn]

unless the character is a dirt cheap utility piece, like a 30k techpriest who can do some silly things

[thin ibex]

i mean, the lt's are a helpful thing to make them hit harder when you're trying to showcase the reivers on your list

[rocky shale]

Making a reivers do all the work is kinda like making a like "Aeldari rangers do all the work" list

[thin ibex]

i think its a fun idea that may not pay dividens, but i think its cool

[hollow laurel]

Yeahhhhhh, whereas the idea was a Phobos-first list which er, sounds impractical.

[rocky shale]

Yeah I mean if you want to force reivers you can just run them

[thin ibex]

vanguard detach can make your phobos a little sexier iirc right?

[rocky shale]

Moderately

[hollow laurel]

Shadow Masters ability?

[rocky shale]

It plays into thier utility aspects more

[sour sequoia]

Vanguard goes hard as fuck tbh

[hollow laurel]

..Infiltrators on the flanks could be good.

[sour sequoia]

Your killing power is mostly on eliminators, but you become GSC levels of tricky bullshit on marines quality datasheets

[thin ibex]

its too bad reiver sarge cant bring a power weapon

[rocky shale]

Phobos is just not killy on general

That's not thier purpose

[hollow laurel]

Even Infiltrators?

[thin ibex]

yeah, iirc phobos/stealthy marines use some weird tricks

infils are super not killy imo

the killiest phobos is proooobably the incursors, and they're not exactly very killy; great utility ability tho

a lot of older stealthy boy lists used invictor missiles as their primary anti tank

just trying to dogpile something with scout, move, charge

[rocky shale]

You mean eliminators?

[hollow laurel]

No I mean Infiltrators.

[rocky shale]

Oh idk which those even are

[sour sequoia]

Yeah basic phobos guys are not gonna kill shit bigger than guard equivalents

[thin ibex]

infils have the 12 inch no deepstrike aura

and the fnp gauntlet

[sour sequoia]

Like, marines going to 2 wounds did the funny thing of “yay my marines now face tank everything”

“Wtf why cant I kill marines”

[rocky shale]

Oh yeah that's not very killy

[thin ibex]

they have marksman carbines

[hollow laurel]

And have Infiltrators themselves, which is er, can be set up anywhere more than 9" from DZ and enemies.

[thin ibex]

they're great backliners but i wouldnt rely on infils to kill

[hollow laurel]

So they can just start on top of objectives.

[thin ibex]

infil with a phobos librarian is a very expensive way to say dont come here and dont shoot me

which can be great to do secondaries

[rocky shale]

Hence being a utility pick

[hollow laurel]

Mhm.

[thin ibex]

i think incursors with an LT can be a little deadlier; but they're not exactly an alpha threat

[sour sequoia]

Never do this without a redeploy ability They will die round 1 lmao

[hollow laurel]

But yeah, interesting. I guess I want killy Phobos because like, I wanna do Raptors chapter nonsense?

[thin ibex]

you might rely on synergies

like using the land speeder hammerstrike to get the +1 to wound

or the bonus ap with the hailstrike

[sour sequoia]

Vanguard is how you do raptors! But its gonna be vehicles, devastators, eliminators

For heavy kill power

Phobos is all very good units but they’re not for Killing, they’re for taking the hill and locking out options for the enemy

[hollow laurel]

Hold on, Eliminators have given me a good idea.

Incursor-Eliminator hunter-killer squads.

That should lock down any flank. :3

[rocky shale]

The thing there is that those also just make more killy units better

[thin ibex]

its true, but we're considering this from an angle of improving phobos units

so we're optimizing under the restriction of focusing on phobos

[rocky shale]

The low volume of fire off the elims hurts into quite a few profiles but that's kinda the best pure phobos option you have

[thin ibex]

rather than just whats good

[rocky shale]

If you're gonna force phobos then fair

[thin ibex]

Elims plus hammerstrike, as i understand, can be pretty good

for taking out hard targets

[hollow laurel]

Hammerstrike?

[rocky shale]

It's a land speeder variant

[hollow laurel]

Ah.

[rocky shale]

Tbh I have never looked at a land speeder profile

[hollow laurel]

But yeah, Hammerstrikes seem like a good backup for the Incursors.

[sour sequoia]

Oh thats what the fuckers are

Yeah those are honestly some of the best units in the codex

I am getting my ass beat weekly by hammerstrike speeders into Centurion Devastators

[vital barn]

I keep forgetting the land speeder is now square

It's neat honestly, I just can't avoid seeing it as a flying pickup truck

Pretty model with the exception of the incredibly boxy nose

[hollow laurel]

I think Hammerstrikes being marked by Incursors will go hard.

Which gives me 590pt for the wrecking ball.

[thin ibex]

the hammerstrike also gives a bonus to wound, which can synergize with other smaller arms fire that is wounding on 5's and 6's

against armor iirc

[hollow laurel]

Mhm.

[thin ibex]

the hailstrike bonus is also decently potent for improving small arms fire against infantry

i personally find the... whichever variant removes cover? I think that one is the one i find the least potent

[untold swallow]

Me when I made homebrew that's a mix of bladeguard & reivers

[thin ibex]

i like reivers for flavor, because they're, role wise, a LOT like Wolf Scouts in lore

[hollow laurel]

Hm, 155pt to help guard a RepEx..

[thin ibex]

(Wolf Scouts being more elite than other marines in the space wolves rather than recruits)

[untold swallow]

I basically made my reiverlike unit into light characterkillers

They have the bladeguard reroll 1s to hit

And their leader gives them Fights First

[thin ibex]

The old variant from the SW that dont exist anymore, the wolves of morkai, were actually psyker hunters, which was neat

[untold swallow]

Nice

[vital barn]

I think the 30k Deathsworn picked that mantle up, actually

Destroyer variants with funky grenades, although they may have lost their psyk-outs this ed

[rocky shale]

Do you have a character yet?

Gotta have at least one

[hollow laurel]

Ended up going for the Bladeguard Boys.

Say er, are the Twin Firestrike Autocannons any good?

[pale narwhal]

The firestrike turrets are generally considered F-tier

[hollow laurel]

Too squishy?

[pale narwhal]

And slow

[hollow laurel]

Whelp, time for a pair of Suppressor teams then to back up the RepEx on the move.

[thin ibex]

theyre fun models, and the guns arent awful, but yeah they're not considered great

i like em but rarely find room to stuff them into a list

Map can probably change how useful they are i imagine

[pale narwhal]

just had my first killteam league game, battleclade vs Angels of Death

got utterly crushed, tabled by the midpoint of TP3, 5-16 final score.

Learnt some valuable lessons about positioning and protecting my big guns

[past sphinx]

and to not fight angels of death

[pale narwhal]

They’re pretty brutal

They took out my arc rifle tp1 which was painful

The short range lascutter is brutal though

Oneshot a marine (albeit with some excellent rolling to get 4 crits from four attacks w/ lethal 5+)

[tired cairn]

Battleclade are particularly hard to play, so don't feel too bad for getting crushed on your first game ever, especially as them

Unrelated
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[thin ibex]

i like to imagine that the way space marines fight in space marine 2 is reflective of real 40k space marine fighting

just a drop pod hits the ground

10 marines come dodge rolling out

[soft willow]

Now model a squad of Intercessors to be doing just that.

[charred bridge]

Best we can do to kill this hive tyrant (that for reason kills all the tyranids on the planet from psychic backlash like a norn queen) is 3 astartes

[upper canopy]

Best i can do is 3 infinitely respawning men

Its all i can spare

[charred bridge]

What youre saying is Titus is a perpetual

And the other two as well

I remember them as titus's realest bro who lost his shit one time and handsome squidward that always doubts titus

[thin ibex]

I feel like "the hive tyrant is the leader and the coordinator of he Tyranids on the ground, and killing it can break the coordination of a force on the ground" isn't a wild take

Like that's actually pretty standard Tyranid fighting doctrine

[charred bridge]

Normally it just makes lesser tyranids feral

The dead hive tyrant also killed the nids in orbit and left them vulnerable to antiship guns

In the game it instantly kills at nids and theres just none after that

Also tyranid warriors cause psychic backlash that kills guants in the game which is also odd

[floral herald]

Nice!

Battleclade is really hard to play

[humble plover]

Yeah they're a tough team

Very unique too, totally different mental challenge than a lot of the other high brainload teams

[floral herald]

Yeah the way you think about your operatives is really unique

Oh man I ran them wrong and really hampered myself haha

Maybe I would have won that game lol

I thought network counteract was subject to the duplicate action restrictions lol

Lost out on so much firepower

[tired cairn]

It's how DoW2 did it (well it was damage and not kill)! But yeah, the synapse creatures are load bearing, but not that load bearing

[pale narwhal]

Second ever, first game in the league

They’re definitely funky

[west zealot]

It's scuffed up enough that Ironhead Prospectors would work well

and necromunda is pretty supported iirc

If you actually wanted to do OH NO levels of stuff - advance the plot a bit more.

Gulli has made progress on reuniting nihilus and reguarl impreium. It's all looking up. There's a triumph and everything

And right as he steps up to make a speech, he gets asssianted in a "oh, shit, he's really dead" type way. Full on AMR to the chest that then dumps his hearts in the warp and leaves his corpse with a hole through it level of "oh, he's dead, dead".

Imperium starts to fracture like mad.

Ideally, do it just after he's made up with El Johnson.

(and so there's a bunch of who the fuck pulled this off - Chaos? AdMech? High Lord splinter faction? Dark Eldar?)

Actually making it DE, but having it lore wise that no one knows it was DE would also be sick.

You give the Drukhari a major win, upend the status quo in a way that's aprioptely grimdark

[charred bridge]

Yea I know the real reason for space marine 2 tyranids is it makes more fun game but also would save lots of dev time using the regular map asset over say interior of a hive fleet ship

[mental birch]

It does

[vital barn]

https://assets.warhammer-community.com/eng_sept25_thehorusheresy_legacies_inductii-ip0av2vvfq-sitewwodhz.pdf

it's real chumpmarine hours

[hollow laurel]

Oh sure they'er not great, but they're also a unit which can keep up with a RepEx and I can get two of for 150pt.

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[Reply to:](#1161696278640594954 message) theyre fun models, and the guns arent awful, but yeah they're not considered great

Well okay I guess there's the Invaders.

[desert jay]

Damn even Inductii get volkites in the Dark Angels

[jaunty dawn]

The salamanders lore implies all the inductii entrusted with disintegrator blasters fucked up and thats why theres none left haha

The emperors chidren rule is cute

[vital barn]

Iron Hands get phosphex bombs and implacable advance

no fucks given at all

here you go, rookie, have this handheld nuke from the game Paranoia, go get revenge for dad

I also like that the White Scars newbies are all giant tryhards

I can take him I can take him
"punches Praetorian Chosen"

I really like these, they're all very juicy

Raven Guard get one designated marksman per squad, and snipers have Pinning (1) so they will keep heads down very well indeed

[desert jay]

Oh no, and the TSons go "have a spellbook, go get revenge for Prospero"

[vital barn]

Alpha Legion have black king bar

untargetable with guns round 1, evaporate immediately afterwards because you use that to shove them on a point

all the other inductii standing around will probably mince them, though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb3CiujrdGU

[jaunty dawn]

the burning lore change to being anathemata discipline is so annoying

cause you still need to take esoterists to take demons in the first place

and part of the point of the diabolism discipline was letting you lead malefic units

[onyx elm]

Give it 20 seconds and it'll start shooting its own allies.

[untold swallow]

Is there a precedent for a Chapter Master or Warband leader or whatever to have an ability that generates a Command Point when a unit in your army kills an opposing unit?

[still warren]

Seems like a spicy include for chaos lists

[thin ibex]

Logan used to have this, don't remember if he still does

[sour sequoia]

Korsarro Khan

[floral herald]

Something something one true answer

[untold swallow]

Everyone's So Mean To Me

XD

[floral herald]

Join the dark powers we don’t have bizarre rules about who’s allowed to ride in pick up trucks

[untold swallow]

lol

The ability so far is 'If this model is your Warlord, when a unit in your army destroys an opposing unit, roll a D6. On 4+, gain 1 CP.'

[floral herald]

Unironically a significant factor in me not playing loyalists when I came back to 40k

I think probably shouldn’t be army wide

Either like “this model’s unit” or a radius aura or something

[untold swallow]

'If this model is your Warlord, when a unit in your army within 12" of this model destroys an opposing unit, gain 1 CP.'

[desert jay]

Or if a enemy unit within the radius dies

[untold swallow]

that's probably more efficient wording

[desert jay]

Well it's a different effect

And "if a unit within 12" gets a kill" means you could park your warlord in back by some desolators or eliminators or your fave lascannon unit

[hard whale]

"unit within 12" destroys a unit" is a lot more powerful than "unit within 12" is destroyed by one of yours". Unless it's only melee kills

[untold swallow]

'If this model is your Warlord, when an opposing unit within 12" of this model is destroyed, gain 1 CP.'

[hard whale]

are multiplayer games common enough that you need to worry about that triggering off of other people's kills?

[desert jay]

I wasn't worried and don't think Rhi was, Rhi is just using like full GW standard phrasing and I'm shorthanding

[untold swallow]

Ye

[rocky shale]

Notably this still doesn't let you gain more than 1 extra cp per battle round like normal

For example eldrad just gives you 1cp extra for existing which means discarding secondaries doesn't give you any extra cp while he's alive

[untold swallow]

This is him so far

[floral herald]

What is actually the point of this gun?

When are you gonna use it?

[hard whale]

it's silent, so you can use it on a conceal order and I'm pretty sure you can't fight while concealed

[floral herald]

You can fight while concealed you just can’t charge (which could matter)

But the range is tiny and the gun isn’t that good

And Ravs really want to be in melee

Like is there a mission action or something which involves shooting?

[dense idol]

i'm trying to think of a use case and i'm only coming up with increasingly contrived mission-action-centered scenarios

[floral herald]

I guess maybe it could save an action if you’re close?

Shoot instead of charge+fight?

For finishing off the wounded

[dense idol]

yeah that seems plausible

[untold swallow]

would it be too strong to give sustained hits instead of lethal?

[floral herald]

I guess you can also reposition+shoot and keep concealed

And if it was a good gun maybe that would be legit

I think I’d usually want to charge+mercyfight

[floral herald]

Actually this is probably the use use case

Repo+shoot with the tail has the same striking distance as Charge+Fight

[desert jay]

Does KT have variable charge range?

[floral herald]

No it’s movement+2” and cannot be done if you’re also repositioning or dashing

Which actually means it has a longer striking range…

[desert jay]

Ah, I was thinking if it was like 40k then it's a fallback if your charge roll falls an inch or two short

[floral herald]

Repo+dash+shoot is 13” vs 10” for the charge

[desert jay]

There's the edge case it's useful in then

[floral herald]

I’m still not sure when you’d actually want to do this

But at least it’s a use case

Hey, if you’re still looking to play a kill team game I’m more free

If there’s a day which is good for you

[sour sequoia]

Realizing how much movement tech Final Day has and I’m suddenly unsure if I’m smart enough for this detachment

Gargoyles can wavedash

[untold swallow]

Gonna ask again cuz why not; would it be too much for Predatory Savagery to grant Sustained Hits instead of Lethal Hits to Twin-Linked weapons?

[jaunty dawn]

I think sustained hits (1) and lethal hits are broadly valued equally

[untold swallow]

Hmmm

I'm debating something

Making it not require twin-linked and give the led units melee Lance

To just have him prefer charging

But then the vibes are lost of the Lion knight themed termie chapter master leading dudes with a bunch of claws especially well

[deft crest]

shoot charge fight

charge fight shoot

[floral herald]

3” range though

[deft crest]

Its something to have a use of 1 ap if your opponent thinks they are smart and space em out

Regardless if you use ravener warrior I have words i need to have with you

and two slices of bread to stick on either side of your face

[jaunty dawn]

Tbf other raveners have equivalent weapons

[deft crest]

Yeah

just dont use the warriors

[floral herald]

I just picked it because the rest of the team are mucho textos

[deft crest]

So

Some enemies

are AWEFUL to fight in melee comparitively

Orks have that hammer

Nightlords prevent rerolls

its just another tool

And i mean its not nothing, It has silent so

[floral herald]

Yeah it’s a silent 3” bolter it could be worse

[deft crest]

4a 3+ 3/4 is just a decent shotgun

I think a lot of players forget how much better shooting is than melee most of the time

[floral herald]

Ravs can trade into pretty much anyone in melee but it’s nice to at least be able to soften them up

[deft crest]

Yeah

I need to save my HP for when the plasmashots start flying

Its how i think about Goremongers too, Too many people forget that you should SHOOT more than you fight

you WILL do both

but shooting is all one sided and gets it done safer

[deft crest]

oh and uhhh those little guys the bomb squigs

[floral herald]

I just worry about getting close to people and not in melee since Raveners are super vulnerable to short ranged shooting

[deft crest]

yeag

Thats what the silent helps with

Nah nah i know what you mean

[rocky shale]

Cool cool I'll let you know

[deft crest]

I don't know if i posted my paint scheme

[rocky shale]

Lance on termies is gross. See: deathshrouds

[deft crest]

love my bugs

Imagine not doing shit for 2 rounds and making your opponents scared

[untold swallow]

Frustrated but funny yelling ||I KEEP MAKING CHAOS RULES FOR LOYALISTS GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!!!!||

[floral herald]

The way they just cower and play the jaws theme until TP2-3 and then jump out and kill everything is really funny to me

[untold swallow]

I made a Loyalist Lord of Contagion I'm gonna fuckin scream

[deft crest]

They honestly could use a bit of a tune up but only a bit

[tepid stratus]

When you want to kill something without exposing yourself to retaliation. Also handy if your target is 8" away from your tunnel since you don't get charge bonuses if you charge from the tunnel

[floral herald]

I think I’m more exposed to retaliation shooting from 3” than in melee!

[deft crest]

me when my opponent thinks its safe to shoot their gun:

https://tenor.com/view/llama-mirada-gif-8834856

[tepid stratus]

Not if you're in cover against a shooting team

[floral herald]

It’s hard to claim cover reliably at 3” though

[deft crest]

-# Not going to post a llama spitting but i hope the vibe comes across

[floral herald]

The venomspitter is VICIOUS

[tepid stratus]

You don't need cover from your target, just from whatever may try to punish you for killing it

[deft crest]

Writhe out of sight is so good

[floral herald]

That’s the reactive charge/disengage one right?

[deft crest]

Its the gambit free BURROW

[floral herald]

Oh no I’m thinking of Slithering Evasion

Which is also really good

[deft crest]

and if you are 2" of it you get to reposition/fallback

so you can do some cheesy stuff on your counteracts

then end round smoove lots

[rocky shale]

Lmaoooo

[floral herald]

I think vs most shooting teams it’s safer or at least more expensive for them to fight in melee and leave operatives alive than to hang out in their line

But I expect it’s contextual

And there’s just relatively few uses for the weird gun

[untold swallow]

I keep doing this shit man it's infuriating! <XD

[rocky shale]

Not beating the allegations

[untold swallow]

Shut your heretic mouth

lol

[floral herald]

One thing I’m not sure how to handle is Raveners vs Deathwatch

They’re so scary

[untold swallow]

Honestly at this point whatever lol, if I keep making units that have similar shit to Chaos or Space Wolves, so be it

[rocky shale]

One thing to remember when you're making these is that you are loyalists so you have oath of moment

[untold swallow]

Ye

[floral herald]

Oh cool it is just hard

[deft crest]

Thats deathwatch in general tbh

Deathwatch is going to be a fucking problem for a few months

I'm tellin ya we gotta get a tunnel buff or something

the box DOES come with 2 sets of tunnel tokens

*SO MAYBE WE CAN HAVE 2 TUNNELS *

[floral herald]

Deathwatch is already falling off

They made a splash but they’re a relatively normal if strong team

Now, Canoptek… they might be demons

[deft crest]

29% win rate vs kommandos??

Thats

disappointing

[floral herald]

I’m not sure what’s happening there

[tepid stratus]

The downside to canoptek is they'll ironically struggle on tomb world and gallowdark since they can't measure their matrix between the walls

But man are they nasty on volkus

[floral herald]

Yeah it’s kinda funny how Tomb World is really awkward for them

[deft crest]

It almost feels like an oversight imo

[untold swallow]

https://youtube.com/shorts/bk5viM4SYtI?si=-CD1Q4uZXL5P1V2o

[tepid stratus]

Especially with the limited movement on the nodes. It's really hard to reposition them in the hallways

[pine matrix]

"didn't I fucking build this"

[floral herald]

It almost makes sense lore wise since Amhetra is like, not actually allowed to do all the shit she does and is hacking it

[pine matrix]

Oh that is awesome

[floral herald]

She’s like an engineer Cryptek who was awoken early to do seismic repairs as the tomb begins waking up

But when the lords of the tomb wake up she’ll have to listen to them

So she’s been subverting the tomb’s programming to slow that down and so she has time to plot stealing their treasures

[deft crest]

Necrons versus necrons is always so interesting

[pine matrix]

Hell yeah, what a queen

Ya know, initially I was bummed the necrons lost their spooky terminator vibes, but then having these cool interdynastic squabbles, beefs on century length scale I can fuck with it

[floral herald]

Yeah the new ones are really fun

She also in the short fiction just mops the floor with the Deathwatch

Who she’s mostly fighting because she’s worried their thundering intrusion will wake up the defenses in the tomb enough to make her theft harder lol

[pine matrix]

Does she even know what they are? Or is just like "these fucking huge aliens are breaking this shit oh my god"

[deft crest]

Oh so that's why she only uses canoptic scarabs and stuff

That's pretty sick

[pine matrix]

Die Hard but John McClane was robbing the place

[floral herald]

I’ll pull the narrative stuff when I get home it’s fun

[vital barn]

the kill team stuff seems to reliably have decent writing

I like all the concepts I've seen so far

[upper bluff]

Honestly that feels like a movie idea that hasn't been done yet. Oceans eleven hesit and loud payday robbery happen on the same day

[thin ibex]

how does one silence a bolter?

Quiety gyrojet round?

reduced explosive payload or just solid slug payloads?

[vital barn]

I believe the canon "space marine silenced weapon" is a needle rifle, which fires a low-powered laser and then launches a big solid metal needle down the path of it

rather less mean than a bolter, though

[floral herald]

There’s both

Iirc

[thin ibex]

obviously theres a level of "these are hyperbolic scifi guns, they just say its silenced" but just... the way a bolter supposedly works being a mini rocket launcher pretty much

how does one make that quiet

im guessing you can make them more quiet, but actually suppressed/silenced?

[floral herald]

Option B is a gun mounted Stummer

[thin ibex]

oh ok so i called it, its a slug so no explosion

and they're effectively air guns?

[floral herald]

Yeah I think so

[upper bluff]

Oh that's lame, I was honestly hoping they would have silent explosions lol

The silence bolt gun still fires explosive rounds but they're quiet because 🤫

[runic swallow]

Tbh it’d still be a kind of stealth to just have a guy explode randomly, since if you can’t hear the shot you can’t easily figure out the location of the shooter

[upper bluff]

True

That's the reiver stealth

[past sphinx]

workin on wolfin up some bikes

[thin ibex]

oo wolf biker sis fun

honestly i really like the outrider model

they're not in vogue generally atm right?

[jaunty dawn]

Outrider chonky

[past sphinx]

their all push fit and in the grand tradition of bike models, have fucked push to fit seams

[past sphinx]

they are a delivery device for a chap on bike or bubble wrap for an invader atv

but fuck me if my dawgs aint gonna have bikes

[floral herald]

Lancer's influence is spreading

[untold swallow]

Amazing

[tranquil ivy]

FELLAS

zombie (and dragon) marines

what color scheme do i settle on because im VERY indecisive 👁️

I'm thinking Leadbelcher/steel with hints of yellow for a radiation vibe

[upper bluff]

I think that's a good idea. What color would the dragon heads be though?

[upper bluff]

Drukharri deserve the 11th edition refresh so so so so so badly. People need to remember that half the horror of the 40k verse is that a ghoul could show up and turn you into their couch

[pastel rampart]

Eeeh I dunno? Their models still hold up really well.

[floral herald]

I think they need a refresh to get back their OOP stuff like the Sslyth and such

[pastel rampart]

Oh that, yeah I agree. Just refresh OOP units/models.

[pale narwhal]

Some of them do. Wyches don’t really, covens barely have any models left with grotesques gone, the kabalites hold up well but by modern standards they’re eh

They’re the oldest models in the game at this point alongside tau vehicles (which are so old that the molds are getting really badly worn)

[floral herald]

I wouldn't say no to new KWs and Wyches since new ones would look pretty sick

And we might get Trueborn/Bloodbrides back

[tranquil ivy]

black or classic red

[pastel rampart]

I just struggle to how one would justify giving them a line refresh when they visually hold up quite nice and also some armies just desperately need it. Tau vehicles, as you mentioned, and Grey Knights are still running the same models from 2008.

And y'know, LoV still don't feel like a fully fleshed-out army.

[upper bluff]

Maybe not a refresh maybe just grotesques back :p

[rocky shale]

Wait is all banshees good?

[floral herald]

It's I think kind of conditional

Banshees are super mobile and lethal but unsafe and not that tough

[rocky shale]

Ah, like banshees are yeah

[rocky shale]

What do you think LoV is missing?

[floral herald]

I think if you can make it work you'll just run people the fuck over

But a lotta stuff needs to go right

[rocky shale]

Me running 30 banshees in 40k

Praying for a SM match up

[pastel rampart]

A mech, mostly. I'd say "flyer" too but GW doesn't seem to care all that much for those anymore.

Drillships would be fun to bring back too. Giant drills as transports.

[desert jay]

I could also see them getting a predator/russ sized tank

Something between the light attack vehicles and small transports, and the huge chonker that is the hekaton

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, some sort of modified sagitaur.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Iron_Eagle_Gyrocopter A modern version of this ol' thing could provide some zip to the army too.

Also seems weird they have only one artillery piece.

[rocky shale]

I think I'm okay with them not having a dread equivalent but I do agree with tech that they could maybe benefit from a non transport tank

They have a strong identity right now as a mechanized infantry army which is cool and I don't think needs to be watered down too much

[pastel rampart]

Not necessarily dread equivalent, mind, but some sort of walker seems like a no-brainer to me. Could get funky with it and have it closer to a Sentinel in purpose.

[deft crest]

I want fixed flyers back

I have this damn stormwolf that i cant use

[sour sequoia]

I played thru 6th on tau I’m perfectly happy with flyers staying dogshit forever

[deft crest]

:/

[sour sequoia]

You wanna have your entire army reduced to BS 6+ in the only phase you’re allowed lmao

GW kinda decided either flyers are as they are now, or they’re That

[brittle salmon]

I like the way HH 3e does Fliers but 40k will never do that style of mechanic, so we're stuck with this state of affairs

[rocky shale]

Flyers being defined by the flyer rules means that all of them are either gonna be ass or amazing like a toggle switch

Either you would rather take a normal vehicle that does a similar thing or you dont

[upper canopy]

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BREAKING: finally

Bluesky · Sep 26, 2025, 3:26 AM

[charred bridge]

Toxic forbidden yaoi between Yarrick and Ghazghul

[west zealot]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DDHHA2po4gM/?igsh=ZnhxYmdsb2xjamhu

cme_t

Yo!

No TPC this week, gotta rest our noggins and focus on deadlines and whatnot!
To fill out the void a bit, plus I dont have the patience to wait for #warhammerwednesday, here's a redraw I made of a Warhammer 40k meme I saw a while back!

Saw the meme on the Grimdank subreddit first but AFAICT, the original was posted by a Momao92 over on Twi...

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[sour sequoia]

Man I love looking in the death guard codex, literally just picking a datasheet at random and witnessing the most cranked bullshit I’ve ever seen

I’m sure the DG players in here are lovely people but goddamn I need the codex to die

Imagine, global rerolls on your killiest units whose rules are ‘+1 STR and AP if there’s a character’ for 100pts

I Cast Flamers Kill Tanks Now

[vital barn]

I have absolutely no idea how to properly assess stats in 40k now because I'm still shellshocked by "fully loaded Techpriest Dominus - 65pts" but they certainly seem pretty wild

also about half their datasheets appear to be characters, which I guess fits, I just hadn't realised that all those adjective nounverbers they released back in early 8th added up to quite this many guys

[pale narwhal]

It helps that all the non-characters aside from Onagers and Castelans are at least dual-kit

The flyer is three different variants in one box iirc

Unfortunately you need approximately twenty boxes for a 2k point army or something obscene like that

[desert jay]

Or more, depending on what units

Boxes that are more than 100 pts/box: Cawl, Archaeoptors, Kastelans, Kataphrons, Onager, and Skorpius (Disintegrator build only)

So that can easily push a list into the 24-30 box zone

Pulled up an example tourney list, 17 boxes

(And that's 8 boxes of those high-pt units in there)

[vital barn]

I have two Domini, two Onagers, four Dragoons, about 25-30 Skitarii depending on how many still have all their limbs, a couple of Kastelans, six Destroyers and one squad each of Rusties and Infiltrators left over from my 7/8e Admech army, and for a while that was barely 1000pts

It's still a good way short of being a full army nowadays

[desert jay]

Yeah I think that's somewhere in the ballpark of like 1400-1500 RN

[vital barn]

Looks like most of it is still serviceable, at least, although I'd need some breachers, another tonk and a Cawl

[desert jay]

The tanks are real cool, both the Onager and Disintegrator

[vital barn]

I'm annoyed by how much they clash, the disintegrator body on legs actually looks pretty good

but the Onager is my favourite model in the army except maybe the generic skittles

Ruststalkers a close third, although their rules were awful for the entire time I played

[untold swallow]

idk whether to ask this here or in writing club, but I'm struggling to name a unit in my chapter that specializes in boarding

it's their intercessorlike, much like grey hunters are for the space wolves

currently I have 'corsair squad' but that doesn't feel very lion or knight themed

[tired cairn]

This has more variety of units than I expect from a tournament list

[desert jay]

Low-variety tourney lists usually mean there's like a few really good units compared to the rest of the army

[upper bluff]

If they are boarders you could name it them something like knights errant. Get It because they are travelling

[desert jay]

Doppelmarines (a la doppelsoldners) since they're in one of the front line extra risk roles?

[untold swallow]

lol

'Errant' squad might be fun

[untold swallow]

very fun idea for a Fists successor, but sadly these are DAngels

[desert jay]

Pick some mythical beastie?

[sour sequoia]

I’d peep the heresy-era Hexagrammaton stuff

I don’t. Remember all of it but ravenwing/deathwing is only two of the six

[floral herald]

Might be confusing since it’s one of the power armor mark names

Albeit my overall feeling is that if the unit isn’t substantially different in function it’s probably not worth having a unique name

[untold swallow]

Yeah that's the annoying bit

They're not normal intercessors, cuz they're armed differently and are experienced specifically in boarding in a way normal intercessors aren't

But they're also not breachers, cuz they don't have the massive shields

[floral herald]

If you wanna stick to the Primaris faje Latin form Expungers would work

Expugnors is probably more correct but also sounds fuckin dumb

[rocky shale]

Gotta give them rules that only work in boarding actions

[floral herald]

Expugnants

That’s kinda a good sounding declination

[untold swallow]

I have figured out a way to make naming them breachers make sense in my spaghetti brain

They're not named after HH Breachers, a now lost formation type in the wake of the Codex

The Chapter works alongside the Imperial Navy a lot

So they're named after Voidsmen Breachers

Who do not all carry shields

[rocky shale]

They could be broachers and wear broaches

[upper canopy]

They could be Roachers and be bugs

[dense idol]

sylvaneth enjoyers: can you identify the sculpts in this ebay listing's photo?

there's a spirit of durthu and arch-revenant, but i can't quite identify the other four

okay that's a branchwych as well

but the three on the left are still puzzling me

i'm starting to suspect they're some form of kitbash

[floral herald]

They’re Yithari’s Guardians

Warhammer Underworlds warband

[dense idol]

ah, i see

they look very proxyable, at least

and the price i bought it for would have been a discount for just the spirit of durthu alone

[floral herald]

They have legends rules in AoS but are probably better for proxies yeah

[thin ibex]

It dawns upon me that the iron hands chapter is very much just as silly as the space wolves and it's only slightly limited by their Primarch dying

Ferrus Manus, who had iron hands, leading the Iron Hands, many of whom go on to have iron hands, from his flagship, The Fist of Iron

They do the same thing as the space wolves do with Wolves

[floral herald]

They are also silly in other ways

[untold swallow]

They also have a character with a power tetsubo

despite

Not being Japanese themed like at all

XD

[floral herald]

This is how the theming starts see

White Scars were just Guys originally

(Picking on them slightly since they were the first named space marine chapter ever)

[hollow laurel]

Question about the AoS holymarine fellas, do they have any variants that are rifle and polearm?

[floral herald]

(Space wolves are later in the same book)

[thin ibex]

Oh no way?

White scars and space wolves are the first named?

[tired cairn]

A weeb in a chapter of 1000 people seems plausible

[thin ibex]

I didn't know that

[floral herald]

I think there’s some others but they’re the most prominent in the rogue trader book

Scars get an example army and there’s a blueprint for the Fang

[thin ibex]

I'm guessing prior to that they were just space marines in rogue trader, and that space marines were kind of just power armored grody looking actual marines?

[tired cairn]

When did they get associated with bikes?

[floral herald]

I think they had em at the start?

There were a SHITLOAD of bikes in rogue trader

[thin ibex]

Cause iirc for a bit, space marines were just literally marines with big armor in space

Like just dudes

[floral herald]

They had chapter names from the start though

[thin ibex]

There's old art of like a blood angels captain arresting some scavs back in the day

This is also when every bolter looked like a pistol and loaded bolts from the very front of the gun

Nvm my memory wasn't clear, this is definitely not arresting anyone

(By Les Edwards for Confrontation)

But yeah they're was a whole era when they were just guys

[floral herald]

They were still kinda modified but it’s less extreme

[pastel rampart]

Yeah like, marines at the time weren't practically immortal. They typically had an extended lifespan but 150 years was considered "old" and close to death/retirement.

[untold swallow]

I just realized

Or rather, have come up with a better idea

I don't need to give these guys sticky objectives

Intercessors do exist

What I can do is emphasize their ability to both take and hold

By giving them +1 to Leadership when within range of an objective, regardless of who controls it

[rocky shale]

I don't believe stormcast use guns

[rocky shale]

That rule does fit the vibe even though it does suck lol

[untold swallow]

Yeah the rule is kinda bad

Reroll leadership?

'While within range of an objective marker, this unit can reroll Leadership tests.'?

[floral herald]

Ok so hear me out

[vital barn]

I think this is the first space marine pilot writing I've seen, where's this from?

[untold swallow]

They're not meant to be fully melee focused

[untold swallow]

Also which unit is that???

[rocky shale]

Better but still pretty bad

[untold swallow]

Wait

No

[floral herald]

I think it’s Gorgon of Medusa

[floral herald]

Legionaries :p

[untold swallow]

If that's a Chaos unit Cyan I swear to God

GOD DAMN IT

[floral herald]

https://tenor.com/view/ruinous-powers-warhammer-40k-chaos-gif-26858555

[untold swallow]

GOD FUCKING DAMN IT

I AM TRYING TO MAKE EMPEROR WORSHIPPERS

AND I KEEP MAKING CHAOS MARINES

FUCK

XDDDDD

[floral herald]

I think part of it is actually just good Warhammer stuff since it’s supposed to be kinda hard to tell them apart except for the aesthetics

And part of it is that you’re looking to make more aggro melee oriented space marines relative to the codex, which is more or less the CSM niche

[untold swallow]

Yeah but these guys are at least supposed to be like

the tamer of the spectrum

They're the chapter's intercessor-likes

With guns

<XD

[floral herald]

Legionaries are basically chaos intercessors (technically chaos tac marines) but they have a melee unit rule for whatever reason

[untold swallow]

I may just be

an utter fucking shithead

and just take the goddamn Chosen ability

This unit is eligible to shoot and declare a charge in a turn in which it Advanced or Fell Back.

[rocky shale]

Ywah right now these are just kinda intercessors with worse abilities and weapons

They already have assault tho

[floral herald]

I think that’s just Tactical Doctrine for loyalists

[rocky shale]

And you wouldn't really want to charge

Charging with ccw and one power sword is not ideal

[untold swallow]

They do have assault

So

Fuck

All right, something Oath of Moment related potentially

Oh this is dumb

Hmm

no that's just worse target elimination

[rocky shale]

+1 to hit with the pyreblaster

[untold swallow]

The pyreblaster is an optional weapon tho

[rocky shale]

It also doesn't roll to hit

[untold swallow]

I

I fuckin hate you Turtle XD

Oh this is mean

In your Shooting phase, after this unit has shot, this unit can make a Normal move. If it does so, until the end of the turn, this unit is not eligible to declare a charge.

[rocky shale]

While this unit is within range of an objective marker, each time a ranged attack targets this unit, models in this unit have the Benefit of Cover against that attack.

[untold swallow]

Oh

That's just

Thematically better

Yeah I'm stealing that

If that's chill

[rocky shale]

Guess which csm unit

Lmaooo

[untold swallow]

Turtle I'm gonna fucking scream

Is it berzerkers

[rocky shale]

Hahaha it's OK it's traitor guard

[untold swallow]

grinds teeth

[rocky shale]

Not even technically a traitor marine

[untold swallow]

siiiiiiiiigh

Fuck it

I'll take it

How much should they cost?

cuz rn they're 90-180 to normal ints 80-160

[pulsar holly]

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/496750/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-soulbound-champions-of-chaos-core-rulebook?src=hottest

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-god-its-happening-ok-stay-calm-the-office-gif-6091046

@upper silo

[upper silo]

oh hey I saw this release a while ago.

neat.

[rocky shale]

75/150?

[untold swallow]

ouch lol

[rocky shale]

IMO these are worse than intercessors

[pulsar holly]

Came out just this week, after a year and a half of waiting

[untold swallow]

Shit

[rocky shale]

They're maybe slightly better to take a lot of because stacking sticky is meh

[untold swallow]

I want/need them to be 'about as good as'

[rocky shale]

But intercessors have very decent chaff clearing shooting

These guys are down an AP and a shot (intercessors get 4 shots if they don't split fire)

The pyreblaster is maybe slightly better than the intercessors grenade launcher

And the cover thing is ok

[untold swallow]

The curse of no bolt carbine having any AP

In another server the old version of take and hold was suggested to be turned into just straight up

'reroll battleshocks while on objectives'

would that be too much?

[rocky shale]

Reroll battleshock tests?

I mean it kinda sucks imo

Like it's theoretically beneficial but most of the time battleshock or leadership rules are pretty forgettable

[untold swallow]

I think I'm gonna add it and make the unit 80-160

[rocky shale]

Oh like on top

Yeah that's prob fine

[untold swallow]

Ye, they have both

So while on objective

'Fuck you we have cover and reroll battle shock'

'And have rapid fire guns, so if you fuck up that charge, uuuuuhhhh'

brrrrrrrrtttt

[rocky shale]

Still worse shooting than a normal intercessor I'm afraid

They get 4A if they don't split fire

[untold swallow]

They're defensively better, which makes up for it to me

[rocky shale]

Yeah it's not toooo far off

For the exact same price as intercessors these are fine

[untold swallow]

hey you wanna know what sucks

I can't just give them the AP back and make the profile 'auto bolt rifle'

Cuz

For the intercessors

An auto bolt rifle and a bolt rifle are the same fucking gun lmao

[floral herald]

That’s a 10e thing

9e profiles

[untold swallow]

Oh so I just

made my intercessor-likes' rifles

into the lovechild of both the guns

Great

Fucking great <XD

fuckit, 75 pts and giving them the AP

I think I've solved this actually

OC 3 like Grey Hunters

Combined with their defensive abilities, they may not have much killing power

But their objective control is gonna be annoying

[rocky shale]

Yeah they're cheap bodies with OC

That are tough

[untold swallow]

I think I'm happy with these

[rare turtle]

O had this dum idea for an atlantian captain with jump pack

[rocky shale]

Shouldn't the pyreblaster be replaced, not equipped

Otherwise he's got two guns

[untold swallow]

indeed it should be replaced

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rin4uSbqwyA

[gray basalt]

It's true

[sour sequoia]

This isn’t nearly as funny without the shit it was attached to

Given the quality of the AoS leaks, though. Accurate

[tardy vault]

the leak in question (deleted image and reuploaded a better one)

[sour sequoia]

Perfection

[tranquil ivy]

I still cant think of a good color scheme for my space marines

currently I have Gunmetal/Leadbelcher with Khorne Red accents (hands and pauldrons mainly)

but good god i dont know why but i just dont like the scheme

[sharp needle]

Maybe try to tint the metal or base your marines off of a piece of media (I based my like..... 5 Space Marines off of Papers Please)

[pulsar holly]

https://tenor.com/view/cliff-giant-machine-in-a-hurry-im-coming-on-my-way-gif-10875191

[upper silo]

I'm curious how they made 'evil campaigns' paletable.
That said, it'l be nice to play good and evil factions bound together by their soul and forced to work together.

[floral herald]

No no, this is the first time a good campaign has been possible

[sour sequoia]

Genuinely I think it could work better in fantasy/AoS than 40k

The fantasy side seems more honest about the chaos gods having positive aspects and the aspect actually being positive rather than ‘any courage and justice also still turns you into a bloodletter sorry’

[gray basalt]

In 40k chaos are the good guys /hj

[tired cairn]

Does "Chaos is actually the good guys" half-joke actually work in AoS?

[gray basalt]

Yes and no

Chaos still evil but the people who are chaos are genuinely humans that were either abandoned by Sigmar and had to turn to chaos or just lunatics

[floral herald]

And AoS chaos is kinda less awful but not a lot

[gray basalt]

But they also do talk about more positive aspects of the gods too

Khorne folks in AoS are more honor bound than 40k

For instance

[sour sequoia]

Archaon might be more like
40k khorne than AoS khorne is like 40k khorne

[tired cairn]

The delta for the "good guys" is even bigger here though right? Though they make some questionable alliances

Is AoS chaos less awful than original fantasy chaos or about the same?

[gray basalt]

Well and another thing is AoS is a setting where chaos has won so the Chaos gods are a little more relaxed imo

[sour sequoia]

The good guys are typically actual heroes with the exception of like, Daughters of Khaine & Idoneth Deepkin

[gray basalt]

Same lows but higher highs

It's just a bigger range

[stark cypress]

Oh yeah, AOS is after the whole Old World ending, yeah?

[gray basalt]

Yep

[tired cairn]

Yeah, the latter two were what I was thinking of as "questionable alliances" lol

[sour sequoia]

But like you’re likelier to receive actual salvation from mortal followers of khorne than the seraphon

[gray basalt]

Lizardmen and some stormhosts will just absolutely kill you if they even suspect you have chaos on you

[sour sequoia]

Like, one or two stormhosts

[stark cypress]

Lizardmen's reaction is understandable.

[gray basalt]

2 maybe 3

[sour sequoia]

I actually quite like the stormcast vibe for how dogshit the aesthetic is

Because they’re some actual tragic heroes instead of ‘the nicest space marines are the ones who didn’t burn down the orphanage for fun’

[gray basalt]

Knights Excelsior, the World Eater ones, and maybe the Word Bearer ones

[stark cypress]

And some of the nicest space marines did burn an orphanage

The Aeldari remember you Sons of Fire.

[sour sequoia]

The freaky ass stormhosts are very much because they’re worn down by however many centuries of constant warfare and death, they’re effectively death company

[stark cypress]

They remember.

My stormhosts I want to work on are just so fucking done.

That they decided to fuck off to some tiny little hamlet.

[gray basalt]

Based

Mine stick to an island off the coast of teeth but also they have soul bounds in the stormhost so if you kill one you are likely to kill at least another

[brittle salmon]

Hey, I'm gonna put my curator hat on for a moment - even if this is your preference, you regularly counteracting "ah I like tragic heroism/decent people in the setting" with "actually the ones that do burn down orphanages are the interesting ones" is starting to get old, and starts coming weirdly close to "haha war crimes" which we have specifically banned

[gray basalt]

Apologies I'll delete

[brittle salmon]

So please cut it out

Thank you

[gray basalt]

Dang I lost my train of thought

[untold swallow]

attempt at making Chapter-specific intercessors like how BT have specific Terminator rules they have to use

[pastel rampart]

I think what helps there is that they have Nagash being the 800lb gorilla in the room just being a bone-shaking asshole and Morathi taking Slaanesh's lunch box, so they have meaningful distractions and threats to their power. It adds nuance to them.

[sour sequoia]

Nagash is actually a solid foil given the unity of the whole alliance compared to the others

Someday we’ll get Destruction mattering 😔

[pastel rampart]

Destruction is the wildcard faction because at any moment you can have orcs crash through the wall or a giant just stomp someone semi-important.

[lament light]

Speaking of wildcards I like the Grotmas Regiments of Renown with cross faction allies, so like Varanguard that became Flesheaters but retained their allegiance to Archaon and Ogroids/Goroans that are still loyal to Gorkamorka

[pastel rampart]

Hell yeah

[pulsar holly]

Dark Oath folks are kinda cool in AoS. Worshipping aspects of the Chaos Gods rather than the whole

There’s one novel where the protag has to wrestle with the idea of accepting the cursed gift that is becoming a Champion of Khorne, or not doing so, in order to save his people when one of the Sigmar aligned forces start moving in on their tribe’s land

[upper canopy]

To be fair they already released the Orc Supplement where you just kinda run around killing and eating people

it's not like this is new

[pulsar holly]

Orruk! Orruk! Orruk! Orruk!

https://tenor.com/view/waaagh-orks-40k-dawn-of-war-warhammer-gif-4477293119107707240

[upper canopy]

I have a speech impediment that requires me to say Orruk correctly as Orc

[pulsar holly]

[final tide]

hiiii i wanted some color advice for this Deldar killteam i wanna do?
my basic thoughts were base Caliban Green, Edge Highlight Kabalite Green, Wash Drakenhoff

I just don't know what to do for like, detailing and weapons,,,,

[rocky shale]

They tend to use like a dark copper/brass for metallics

[final tide]

Oh, that would look kinda nice with all the green im doing... Maybe screaming bell?

[floral herald]

Brasses and golds and reds tend to go well with all the green

Gotta be sparing with the red or you get evil Christmas elves

[main pagoda]

Screaming bell is quite bright if you want a darker bronze layering sycarx bronze over it does look quite nice

[final tide]

i was gonna avoid golds n reds bc that's what i do for my dark angels dkhf

(they're Base Steel, then Caliban, then Warpstone edge, then gold detailing, then Khorne red for weaponcasings)

[sour sequoia]

my suggestion was gonna be purple/hot pink highlights the way the studio does the green highlight on necron blackstone

Darksynth elves

[hollow laurel]

Question! What do the hanzi say? I think the left one says "great"?

Admiral (she/her) ↩️

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Answer: No, but right radical. It probably reads "sky", "heaven"

[thin ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxHJE64zIjk

[floral herald]

Got my Sanctifiers thrashed by my gf’s void-dancers (8-13) I don’t know anything about playing 2 apl kill teams lol

[floral herald]

They’re making so many of these

[rocky shale]

I really need to paint up my rogue trader for the giant orbital gun

[pale narwhal]

next round of my league is up and I'm paired against deathwatch

this is gonna be probably another painful stomp but we'll see

[sour sequoia]

What army?

[pale narwhal]

killteam, I'm playing battleclade

[floral herald]

I think that’s winnable

Deathwatch are the new scaries but they’re just 20% more concentrated space marines

B’clade has the firepower to erase space marines (melta and eradicator) and a lot of guns period

Try to avoid splitting fire cause they heal and if you can pick up 1-2 early kills they’re just so low on bodies even if they’re freaks

[pale narwhal]

yep

it's on tombworld terrain which is new to me, if I can concentrate firepower on one or two in TP2 that'll be ideal

might actually use the 'switch servitor positions' equipment to bait some overly aggressive movement from the opponent and then shove a melta or breacher in their face

[floral herald]

I think that one’s incredible on close quarters maps

Let’s you basically totally fake out your TP1 apparent strategy

I played clade into Heirotek on close quarters and the chrono mine was a huge problem for me

But they’re deathwatch not controlwatch

[pale narwhal]

and I also don't have to use it

so if they change their strategy to account for me swapping things and I don't...

[floral herald]

Yeah

I also think your breacher servitor can breach without invalidating themselves as a target for it

With breach points anyway

I don’t think it can actually breach the walls otherwise

[final tide]

i am thinking about deldar painted like a laser tag arena

[sour sequoia]

Do It

[pale narwhal]

it cannot

[floral herald]

Ok cool

I read an argument about it online but I wasn’t sure who was right

[pale narwhal]

you can't use anything on the datacard, so no breaching, no healing, no eye of the omnissiah

[pale narwhal]

there's an FAQ going back to ITD about 'breacher' operatives not being able to breach the walls

[floral herald]

The 1 AP breach action from TW for having the list of keywords and such isn’t any of those I think

[pale narwhal]

You cannot swap any operatives that have done any of the following during the battle:

-Used any weapons on their datacard.
-Performed any actions on their datacard.
-Used the Mechanosuture Array rule (see TECHNOMEDIC).

oh wait I see what you're saying

yeah

that would actually work

[floral herald]

A lot of the tomb world maps have breach points really close to starting spots so it might be kinda nice

[pale narwhal]

Opens up some much needed mobility

[untold swallow]

wait...

are

are space marines just fucking roided-up sardaukar?

[stark cypress]

Yes

I think like old 1st edition had jokes about it?

And The Orks and Grots used to be part of similar subspecies.

[floral herald]

There’s some common points but also some pretty big differences

Since the Sardaukar are like, espionage people on the side and most space marines are light tanks on the side

[stark cypress]

And some of them are stealth light tanks.

[charred bridge]

Alpha legion is stabby tricksy light tank

[stark cypress]

Yes

And so are the Raven Guard

[tardy vault]

https://youtu.be/kmSy7r2K1RM

[mild glen]

I mean. Space Marines are only t4. Light tanks are around T7, so...

[dense idol]

(kill team) how good are blades of khaine in the current meta?

i am lured to moderate discounts on miniatures in ebay auctions like a moth to a flame, and i have come into possession of nine dire avengers + a twin catapult exarch

just looking at their rules i'm kind of digging the energy of "eight Guys with Guns that all have 3APL and a laundry-list of free extra actions"

[floral herald]

Top tier

[dense idol]

that's convenient

does that go for all three aspects?

[humble plover]

Just got (figurative) fucking whiplash from assembling my tomb world terrain

It goes from "clean up these solid bricks of plastic, no glue needed :)" to "glue this 32 identical bits together into 16 identical assemblies. There is no way to hold them that's comfortable. Good luck."

[floral herald]

Being able to mix and match them freely is part of what makes them so strong. I think a sort of normal roster is something like 2 scorps, 3 banshees, 2 avengers and a scorps or banshee exarch

Having 7 scorps and banshees is nice apparently

So you can run them as mono-teams (no one uses mono dire avengers)

[dense idol]

well that's less convenient, given the ten dire avengers in my possession

and they're the only ones without some kind of melee weapon on the model, which makes me wince slightly at the prospect of proxying

[thin ibex]

I'm sure dire avengers must be mildly useful even still?

Actually on a tangential but related note. Do aspect warriors in lore form mixed warbands?

Or do they only ever form like single aspect teams from the shrine?

[hard whale]

yeah, that's what Blades of Khaine is, it's those three shrines in a mixed squad. Most of the time Aspect Warriors squad up with their shrine-mates but for special operations they'll mix

[floral herald]

They are quite good but you don’t want 7 very often

[floral herald]

Their guns aren’t actually more powerful than the pistols the other aspects get they just don’t have a maximum range

They have aspect techniques which can make them really strong for a shot (lethal 5+ rending hurts, torrent is great when it works)

But the rest of your operatives are stupid lethal in melee

[uneven ember]

the Broodmind wants me to get high

[pastel rampart]

Ayup, think I can make a command bunker outta this no problem.

[pastel rampart]

I figure I can get a sci-fi looking door on the smooth front there, maybe the kind that looks like it slides in two halves. Couple hatches on the top and a radar dish in the middle there, a bulky-looking power generator opposite the door, a few greeblies and rivets. Think maybe get those angled indents to look like vents.

[stark cypress]

Yeah

Yeah, that will work really good.

[desert jay]

WarCom just announced an Ultramarines combat patrol

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/wpnaftda/march-for-macragge-with-new-ultramarines-upgrades-and-a-versatile-combat-patrol/

[floral herald]

Nice, the boys in blue were really underserved model wise

They needed this

[jaunty dawn]

Thats a nice upgrade set

[junior robin]

only missing now is Ortan Cassius crossing the rubicon.

[upper bluff]

Maybe if GW stopped giving space marines amazing points per $ combat patrols and Xeno factions combat patrols that are barely a discount the sales data would be more equal

Seriously I have no problem with space marines getting new stuff or more stuff it's just why do they have to be so easy to collect because of that

[rocky shale]

Reiver fire sale box

[untold swallow]

Man

This sucks lmao

Like Space Marines are my favorite, and I also like one of the more well-served xeno factions but god damn marines do not need more wtf

[paper bluff]

Happy year of chaos everyone

[mild glen]

Reminder that "year of chaos" has always been an AoS thing

[soft willow]

Plus 40k did get a new Chaos faction and a book for almost all the others this year.

[floral herald]

They did?

[jaunty dawn]

Emp childs

[floral herald]

Oh duh lol

[sour sequoia]

The real year of chaos is the continuous 60% wr death guard

Even post nerfs, 3 in 4 teams at challengers brought DG lmfao

[upper bluff]

It turns out when units have good stats they win

[junior robin]

biggest question right now thought is will we get anything for Orktober? 🤔

[sour sequoia]

The 450 point discount helped lmfao

Custodes now with more Custodes per Custodes

[tardy vault]

so the way overdue skaven refresh and the SoD expansion?

I believe the BoK release was after the year

and they only got a token hero

[main pagoda]

skaven got the refresh no?

[tardy vault]

first thing I said

so the way overdue skaven refresh

[main pagoda]

oh i misread the tone

mb

[tardy vault]

they missed the oldest plastic models they sell tho lol

[soft willow]

Eldar bikes are perfect and don't need model updates.

[main pagoda]

yeah it was a decently limited refresh

[tardy vault]

the new models are sick

[main pagoda]

suppose the issue with something like skaven is that you are going to not be able to do everything

[tardy vault]

Like, the clan rats were just as bad and now they're great

[main pagoda]

yeah

[pastel rampart]

Why replace perfection.

[thin ibex]

Oh heck yeah, the ultramarines, the famously neglected faction, finally getting a new patrol

[pale narwhal]

Oh thank god, I was worried they wouldn’t survive without another weekly release (massive /s)

[stark cypress]

Please GW

Bring back Aeronautica models.

I wish to make Orks planes

[thin ibex]

i wish for planes to be an expected part of tau battlefield doctrine; but alas

[tired cairn]

Sorry, it got folded into the 30k-era mass combat game

Which is good for me because I would be in great danger of spending more money if it was a 40k era game

[stark cypress]

Understandable.

Okay, I have a question.

Why are the Tau chest parts already assembled but not the guards?

[main pagoda]

advancements in modelling/moulding

[stark cypress]

So, the Tau have advanced modeling but the Guard don't?

Or am I misreading that?

[main pagoda]

other way around

[stark cypress]

Ah

[main pagoda]

so older moulds had issues when they were "open" that plastic would fill the mould but now thats less of an issue

[pastel rampart]

The last fire warrior kit came out about a decade ago, basically.

The current way of doing models is less modular but it uses less plastic, and often can be snap-fit.

[main pagoda]

by no means is this like a constant thing though cause how GW decides to do sprues is also black magic

why yes i did want to attach this paw to the wulfen leg how did you know

[stark cypress]

The ways of the Wulfen are vast and mysterious.

[main pagoda]

they did come during the detail bloat era when detail did not match modelling ability and you got some wacky models

[floral herald]

Wait for which kits?

[main pagoda]

gonna guess fire warriors

[jaunty dawn]

Theyre just one solid chunk

And then legs n arms

[stark cypress]

Pathfinders

[tired cairn]

Sometimes GW makes sprues and I go "wow, what an amazingly clever way to hide seam lines" and other times I go "wtf, why did you make this so difficult to put together without huge holes". Not infrequently it these both happen for the same model

[valid brook]

I went about ten years without seeing the inside of a GW plastic kit and what continues to amaze me is how much Stuff they cram into the sprues today

[jaunty dawn]

Yuuup

[rocky shale]

Huh, inquisitors in crusade can really stack some silly buffs

Yes I will take a melee profile of
6A, 2+WS, 6S, AP-2, D3+2 with precision, dev wounds, anti infantry 2+, anti monster 4+, and sus1 for the low low cost of 5 battle honors

You can use the 6th to give it lone op, stealth and infiltrate

[charred bridge]

I'm pretty sure you could just make an army with sprues at a LFGS's 40k sprue bin

[stark cypress]

Always check your LFGS's clearance section

That's how I'm gonna get all my warmachine stuff

[rocky shale]

Your LGS has a clearance section?

[stark cypress]

Yes!

It's mostly old privateer kits and some Reaper kits

And the other LGS has...The clearance cabinet.

Literally a glass cabinet with either individual armies or kits at 30% to 40% off.

[rocky shale]

Wow nice

[stark cypress]

Yeah

Someone just gave away a necron army painted in I think the DOW trailer color scheme?

[rocky shale]

Only one store near me has a clearance rack and it's 95% old 40k codecies and old nasty paints

[stark cypress]

That's sad

[rocky shale]

They just do a flea market event quarterly for people to trade armies and stuff

Since they don't buy used models