Warhammer and Such

[floral herald]

The Voidraven also has such a low altitude attack profile it has sonic dampeners though

[uneven ember]

yeah, fair

[floral herald]

So maybe the pilots just really good at timing

Gotta figure out which army would use toss bombing the most

40K ass tactic

I’m thinking Eldar

[main pagoda]

Do love that the imperium still use photo recon flights

[tired cairn]

Definitely Elder. Seems like a high skill thing they would love spending hundreds of years perfecting

And basically no other faction would care about the safety advantages except maybe the Tau, but they would just use missiles

I imagine dark elder prefer dive bombing with an aircraft that makes scary sounds

[main pagoda]

thinking more the lighting voss

[dense idol]

played my first real game today

[floral herald]

Yeah that’s a real good early record

[dense idol]

that is, core ruleset 10e, not any spinoff ruleset or sister franchise

[floral herald]

Congrats!

[dense idol]

very strange game

my opponent was feeling kind of ill and also we're on a strict time limit from our venue so we packed up by the start of round 3

i wasn't expected to even be playing so i hastily threw threw together a list of all infantry

the score came out 7-15 to me, although that early-game advantage cost them almost all of their units and board presence, so such a crushing defeat seemed very unlikely were we to continue

[floral herald]

Yeah that makes sense

[dense idol]

wait hang on a minute

almost all of their vp was from this secondary objective

where they misread units as models

also: is abaddon supposed to be so much of a wet sponge, or were there just some extremely poor shooting luck on my opponent's part?

[floral herald]

Wet sponge how?

[tardy vault]

Yeah, and it was good fun! Frustrated about game 4 (lost due to lack of knowledge and extremely bad dice luck), but other than that I felt like each game was well earned.

[dense idol]

i feel like for 280 points, you ought to be dealing more than 3 wounds in melee each phase

[floral herald]

Yeah

What was he fighting?

[dense idol]

dispersion shield lychguard

i didn't realise until after round 1 that crypteks can't actually attach to lychguard, so to compensate i deliberately did not mention or use guardian protocols

or any of their leader abilities

[floral herald]

Lychguard are a pretty good anvil

[hardy harness]

Considering trying to build an army around Farsight, would it be any good or am I better off going for a different army?

[floral herald]

Abaddon is probably only putting 3-4 wounds through vs them without buffs

14 swings on 2+ is ~12 hits and ~7.5 successful wounds so 3-4 unsaved damage

Drach might do more

Yeah closer to 9 wounds through with drach

[dense idol]

Coughing Maulerfiend vs. Hydrogen Scarabs was pretty funny though

[floral herald]

But it’s inefficient a little since he’s overkilling

[junior summit]

grot bomms

[floral herald]

Sounds like he used the wrong profile to me

Or rolled cold

[floral herald]

I’m excluding missiles

Just gravity bombs or glide bombs

[junior summit]

grot bombs are gravity aren't they?

[floral herald]

(I actually don’t think there’s a single glide bomb in 40K)

They’re rocket propelled

[dense idol]

at least we got to play with the terrain that i've been printing out for the past uhhh

three months?

[junior summit]

oh huh

[dense idol]

it was very on-and-off

[junior summit]

I thought there were gravity bombs that grots ride

[dense idol]

slowly, our equipment for games is moving towards Real Tools And Markers And Scenery and away from Literally Whatever Is Closest To Hand

[junior summit]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Smart_Bomb

Behold! Two lines in lexicanum from one random IA volume!

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Colossus_Bomb

also apparently this thing from an AI expansion

https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/legions-imperialis-marauder-colossus-squadron-2023

ooh it even exists in LI

and with recent models

[floral herald]

Ah forget world

Ok leaving that typo

But leave it to Forge World to have stuff like this

[uneven ember]

okay why do they not have an image of the Marauder Colossus that shows of the colossus bomb

[floral herald]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/0/0a/Marauder10.png/revision/latest?cb=20120312175417

Kinda has it

[uneven ember]

oh yeah, I mean "why do they not have it on the store page"

[rocky shale]

Farsight just goes with crisis suits which is fine

Tau is in a wierd kroot meta right now but crisis suits are always good enough casually

[rocky shale]

Something like this is functional if you just wanna slam battlesuits

[sweet solar]

landspeeder real???? https://bsky.app/profile/simonroy.bsky.social/post/3lybgpjxm4c26

Simon Roy (@simonroy.bsky.social)

unrelated, just thinking about taking this bad boy low over some central european farmlands in 1965, hunting tanks

-# Simon Roy (@simonroy.bsky.social)
scout platform ready for parade, reunion people's self-defense forces

Bluesky · Sep 7, 2025, 7:35 PM

[sour sequoia]

First tourney I’ve actually won more than one round

Data’s simply. Struggling Very Hard to post the picture

Rack up from the GT

[desert jay]

Wow scored the full 100

[finite compass]

NGL

I thought the Chaos fliers were aesthetic

At least the actual aircraft and not the stupid mechanical dragon thing

[floral herald]

the dragon looks sick

the Talons also look sick

[hollow laurel]

I am reminded of the Raiders from BSG.

[finite compass]

Also the Harbinger that never got a 40k-scale release

[hollow laurel]

And what in God's name is that? </pos>

[finite compass]

Harbinger-class Bomber

[hollow laurel]

Bombers don't get cl- Nevermind. It looks so weird.

[vital barn]

these are all made on Xana II, a forge world that got raided by Dark Angels during the Horus Heresy, killed a bunch of dudes with matrix squidbots and then strapped engines to itself and flew into the eye of terror after Horus lost

excellent darkmech heritage

[main pagoda]

I do like all the chaos mainline fighters being VTOL

[vital barn]

they are led by this guy, who is mostly notable for having 1e rules that let him beat up Horus

these days he cannot fight Primarchs but he's the next level down, i.e. "will rinse anything that isn't one in a duel"

has cool pet spider

[finite compass]

Vector-thrust, even

The one Dan Abnett book about the fighter pilots

Double Eagle

[uneven ember]

of all the things that bum me out about Aeronatutica Imperialis geting shitcanned maybe the biggest is that the game got shitcanned too fast to get these beauties out in plastic

[vital barn]

oh double eagle was solid

[finite compass]

Makes a big deal about this, at least when they're fighting the local PDF pilots

[main pagoda]

both the double eagle books are great

[vital barn]

there was a second one?

[main pagoda]

yeah

[finite compass]

Because the Chaos fighters can just like rapidly change direction or 'sidestep' or pull off maneuvers that the imperial ones can't follow, or would cause the pilots to black out if they did

[main pagoda]

focuses on the female squadron lead

cant remember her name

shows imperial fighter pilots semi hardlined into their thunderbolts

[vital barn]

I think it's mentioned that the good imperial fighters also have thrust-vectoring, and it's just the shitty old PDF planes that can't do it at all

but the Hell [Thing] series are consistently spooky

[finite compass]

Yep

It's specifically the PDF planes that can't keep up

[floral herald]

Yeah the Hell-series are all pretty nasty ones

[main pagoda]

the PDF planes do have the advantage at low speed which is cool

[finite compass]

The Chaos planes also have the pilots wired into their cockpits

They can detach, but they need a life-support rig to do so

And if they're in it's basically a 'control as if it were your own body, see through the gunsights' kind of situation

[floral herald]

It's kind of funny how the Forces of Chaos' theme winds up being like, weirdly able and good designs or even innovative ones in every theater except ground forces where they're all blood hungry lunatics who are nominally in charge

[main pagoda]

yeah the imperial ones are limited to like 5m away from their aircraft

[finite compass]

The ground forces can also get innovative

Just...Unhinged Chaos Innovative

Like Stalk Tanks

Or the Woe Machines

[vital barn]

If I have one issue with the Hell Blade it's that it's consistently undergunned

at least in the big 40k rules where every Valk and Storm Eagle is just bristling with hardpoints

[main pagoda]

I think thats an issued shared by most non imperial planes

[finite compass]

I was bummed that we never got a Stalk Tank model

...Well, we never got a proper LatD list either after Eye of terror, but...

[main pagoda]

amazing interceptor

two auto cannons

oh brother

[vital barn]

and aircraft performance is basically a non issue because the battlefield is infantry-sized

The stalk tanks have made a triumphant return in 30k Darkmech actually

or at least their earlier incarnations

some of them are Large

[finite compass]

In LI anyway

I don't think they have HH rules yet, do they?

[vital barn]

They used to be in the "miscellaneous demon engine" category back in 1e but all the "build your own whatever" rules got nixed in 2nd and 3rd

same as the Admech arty tanks and such

Militia still has theirs but that's because it's the whole faction

[finite compass]

I did like how there was a thing for a while where the Chaos/DarkMech stuff looked overall sleeker and more advanced than the Imperial tech

Like you could really see it with the Brass Scorpion

[uneven ember]

I'm also pretty sure I've said this, but
one of my favorite upgrade options in anything is the Aeronautica Imperialis ejector seat upgrades for Imperial planes

specifically because they suck. they give you a 5+ chance of denying your opponent part of the victory point value of the plane if it gets shot down

[vital barn]

I like this in 40k, in 30k it's sometimes a little jarring because it's been like three years and all of a sudden they've completely switched aesthetics

[uneven ember]

but because of that every game of Aereonatica Imperialis I've played as Imperials has featured me making the active decision not to give my pilots ejector seats, which is a very Imperium of Man thing

[vital barn]

but the Brass Scorpion does have 30k rules and it is the best thing since sliced space marine

yes, I do want to be absolutely invincible

(I know 40k statblocks have stat-inflated way past this, but ten terminators beating on this thing do like 3-4 wounds, it's hilarious)

[tepid stratus]

The poor valk, so many hard points but never enough firepower

[brittle salmon]

They did once....then GW decided Vendettas were too good to live

[floral herald]

THEY WERE

Admittedly they were also overnerfed

[pulsar cairn]

Is there less bad blood between humans and elves in the fantasy and AOS settings when compared to 40k?

[upper canopy]

Yes

In Fantasy and AoS they routinely work together and it's usually their worst elements that conflict

[pulsar cairn]

neat

[brittle salmon]

I want Vendettas to be back + Valks to be priced properly so bad

[floral herald]

I think if they made planes more like 5e planes

(Essentially fast as fuck skimmers)

They could balance them better

All the 6e and later stuff with anti air requirements and such made them impossible to balance imo

[brittle salmon]

I really like how HH 3e has done fliers but I don't think it'd work in 40k - making them Big Skimmers is almost certainly the best option

Valks and such were fine in 5e

[floral herald]

Yeah valks were fine

Vendettas being cheap having 3 TL lascannons and like 24" of movement with transport capacity was too good

[brittle salmon]

They were definitely undercosted lol

[floral herald]

A bunch of other 5e flyers were fine

The Stormraven was basically fine IIRC

[vital barn]

7e vendettas were solidly eh

not bad but nothing to write home about

[mental birch]

Nobody should have had jets

Or planes in 40k tabletop scale

It should have been choppers

The Osperey is the perfect guard vehicle

[soft willow]

Land's Speeder would like a word with you.

[mental birch]

Too small :p

[brittle salmon]

That is a plane

[mental birch]

Thought it was more helicopter like

Is more the speed/length of time it spends on the field

[brittle salmon]

It's a hybrid VTOL/STOL aircraft

[floral herald]

It's effectively an airplane which can land in a very small area

One of the funny things about them is that there's a lot of helicopter infrastructure they can't use because they're too heavy and beat the ground too hard with their rotor watch

[upper canopy]

I think sci-fi tropes just insist a ton about people having Jets

for 40k to say "nah"

[uneven ember]

I like the Valkyrie for the "this is clearly a helicopter but" thing it has going on

[brittle salmon]

They're kinda garbage lmao

[floral herald]

The trade off is that they're a lot faster, bigger, and longer ranged than a helo

[junior summit]

helis have physics-related limits on forward speed, ospreys do not

[upper canopy]

The trade off is theyre fucking rad as shit

[brittle salmon]

The trade off is they kill a lot of people in accidents

But it is coool

[rocky shale]

My evtol senses are tingling

[rocky shale]

Someone mentioned tiltorotor vtols, I have been summoned

[junior summit]

something something advancing blade stall

[sour sequoia]

highest praise I've received for my army ever I think: "I didn't really internalize how many models you have on the board until now and it's really fucking unsettling"

I can lose my next 5 games knowing I scared the shit out of the best dark angels guy in the western hemisphere

[desert jay]

Compared to other rotorcraft, not especially. And actually a pretty solid safety record once they left testing

They had a long streak of no fatalities at one point that got broken in an incident that was almost certainly the pilot doing unauthorized low altitude stunts for gopro footage

[brittle salmon]

Hrmm

Okay

[thin ibex]

It's a solution with drawbacks, but for what it's good for, it's pretty good iirc

[desert jay]

The record from just the testing period was pretty bad though, which is why the meme exists

[junior summit]

also notably ospreys can't suffer from retreating blade stall in level flight unlike helicopters

[finite compass]

In the Fantasy setting at least (I don't really know AoS) Teclis, one of the main High Elf characters, is responsible for founding the Colleges of Magic in the Empire

And there are High Elf trade enclaves in the Empire

And Woodelves in some of the forests

Conflict happens, but it tends to be the exception rather than the rule

Typically high elf arrogance and human noble arrogance leading to friction

Or somebody set foot in Athel Loren and now Orion is burning Bretonnian villages for the rest of the summer

Dark Elves are still dicks though

[mental birch]

Ah yes slaveowning colonisers from england Albion

[hollow laurel]

Again.

Sidhe Vicious (She/Her) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161696278640594954 message) Or somebody set foot in Athel Loren and now Orion is burning Bretonnian villages for the rest of the…

[pale narwhal]

I am… concerned about new knights. Lots of people mathing out how they can jump over screening and/or prevent screening with an infiltration (callidus) and then move 2-3 knights to see behind ‘safe’ DZ ruins turn 1

[mental birch]

Ehhh

[tardy vault]

In AoS Teclis is running the Lumineth Realm Lords which have a good relationship with Cities of Sigmar. They also are attempting to run these very cosmopolitan cities but there's the whole mind control thing they (probably) have going on but I don't believe it's backfired yet.

Idoneth Deepkin and Daughters of Khaine are barely Grand Alliance Order however and are the poster children of "Grand Alliances are pantheons not allies."
IDK are underwater souls stealers that fucking hate Teclis and Tyrion. Neither one of those facts does much to help them get along with the rest of GAO.
While Daughters of Khaine does provide entertainment for CoS via bloodsport based sacrifices to Morathi-Khaine, they're generally not welcome as they're worshipers of the god of murder. When a body turns up with a heart ripped out they're one of the top two suspects.
Sylvaneth are basically elven spirits wearing tree power armor and are new Woodelves (with all that implies about their protectiveness of the wilderness).
Finally, Cities of Sigmar actually have a fairly large elf population alongside the dwarf and human populations. They make up a large enough fraction of their demographics that they're a full sub faction in their army range (for now).

[hollow laurel]

As someone not very familiar with AoS.. Is there an independant Dorf army?

[thin ibex]

There's 2, Fyreslayers, an entire army of just Slayers. And the... I forget what they're called, but there are sky dwarves who go hard into dirigibles and guns

[hollow laurel]

Yay, gundorfs. :3

[thin ibex]

They live in a flying city last I checked, and were hella into minerals

[tardy vault]

Kharadron Overlords are what they're called

They got their new Battletome and it's quite strong actually

just don't park in charge range of a melee army and then act surprised when your entire list disappears

Oh, also Chaos Dwarfs are showing up soon. Their army box just went on preorder

[thin ibex]

Tau -> Kharadron, Kharadron -> Tau

[tardy vault]

Yeah...

They're less shooty than they were but they're still extremely gun heavy for AoS.

[tardy vault]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/3kfvbkog/pour-scorn-on-the-foes-of-hashut-with-daemonsmiths-bull-centaurs-and-ashen-elders/

Speaking of dwarf factions

[hollow laurel]

Do they basically go Napoleonic on your rear?

Micky (they/them) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161696278640594954 message) They're less shooty than they were but they're still extremely gun heavy for AoS.

[tardy vault]

Yep.

Well, I think?

I played against only one KO player in the new tome

And I just hid my entire army in deployment, he rolled up nice and close, shot the one unit I left exposed (and failed to kill it) and then I blended him.

[desert jay]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/5jk5xmlb/lady-malys-stands-tall-over-the-new-codex-drukhari/

Also Drukhari codex finally announced

Cool model

[floral herald]

Wow Malys finally has a model

[pastel rampart]

Oh that was the model that was leaked earlier this year.

Someone outside of GW got it by mistake.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/591429239211950081/1414615777369391277/image.png?ex=68c0371b&is=68bee59b&hm=c0d1182abc2ea78dad3a31ed2feea500a24d95c40ee6b97a667cb36262870b0b&

[desert jay]

Also RIP Start Collecting boxes

[pine matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-mad-fish-sponge-bob-angry-gif-12369198217513035864

The new Archon model has the two face helmet AND the funky evil object?? It's everything I could want!!

I will have 3 Archon models by the end of this

[main pagoda]

pretty sick tbh

[pastel rampart]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/7/72/DE_Archon.jpg

Certainly a step up from...this.

[pine matrix]

No refresh for the kabalites or the wyches in that battleforce though? I'm surprised

I guess they're already perfect 💖

[pastel rampart]

They really nailed it back in 5th and there's little reason to do a line refresh when they still hold up.

[floral herald]

I wouldn’t mind a Wych update but I think the Kabalites are pretty timeless

[main pagoda]

they have pulled alot of shit off the online store

no more old archon

[pine matrix]

Old Archon was a bit shit, imo

[floral herald]

That was the huskblade guy right?

[pine matrix]

Yeah with the crossed arms

[main pagoda]

looked fine what did you fine bad?

he was abit motionless tbf kinda just aura farmed

[pastel rampart]

"I hug myself because mommy never did :( "

[pine matrix]

I guess I'm a bit spoiled in terms of options, I didn't like all you got was the husk blade and the pistol and like, one head

Plus I didn't much care for the pose, makes him look like he's on his tippy toes

[mental birch]

Pre codex they could just do that

Park right outside of charge range with troops

Then spend 1 cp and move 9"+1d6 out of charge distanfe

[tardy vault]

Tbh, I don't think I've yet to play a really good KO player so I haven't seen them in the best light.

Playing against their index I would just turn 1 charge across the table with Shadow Queen and rip apart which ever ship the opponent didn't redeploy.

Playing against the battle tome I just hid almost my entire army, he moved up to shoot the bit that wasn't hidden, then I came out of hiding and one shot most of his army

[tired cairn]

Something about Lady Malys face (maybe how they painted it) looks really off to me. Like it's from the wrong gameline

[main pagoda]

thats just eavy metal female faces

[pastel rampart]

Also it's just Shadowheart.

[upper bluff]

Oh that's why she looked so familiar lol

Literally just add the scar

[main pagoda]

eavy metal kinda just suck at painting female faces it be like that

[mental birch]

Oh index used infantry to body block movement and then redeployed to move away

[tardy vault]

Yeah, that's what the guy I played against would try to do.

[paper bluff]

I hope they bring back vect some how

[tardy vault]

Part of him being a new player meant he messed up the spacing on deployment so I was able to tag the ship through his infantry line

[dense sedge]

This is a real empty the warehouse combat patrol

[tardy vault]

or he would misplay the ship so I could come in with her BS mobility

[paper bluff]

BTW. She's ready to direct immortals and commit crimes

[dense sedge]

Covens are oooold models and other than the onos haven’t aged gracefully

[rocky shale]

And an empty the warehouse battleforce

Range refresh in 11th pleaaaaase

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408609553597464579/1414640301594644611/image.webp?ex=68c04df2&is=68befc72&hm=4fda4d0dde85d49d904ca0595b12241267dd3ed60d36320ff51778e2d6c870a3&

[hollow laurel]

I wonder if this tactic will work in The Old World when it comes out.

Micky (they/them) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161696278640594954 message) Yep.

[main pagoda]

wdym?

[hollow laurel]

Napoleonic gun lines from the Dawi.

[main pagoda]

oh yeah it does

[hollow laurel]

:3

[main pagoda]

it does make dwarves one of the most boring armies in the game to fight and play but such is life

[hollow laurel]

Because I try it in TW:WH3 and er, the enemy just has a frontline, which I can't obliterate. Then again I'm trying it with a different faction which is also gunline centric but still.

[floral herald]

They’ve been doing that for 20 years

[hollow laurel]

I'm sorry, I got into this through Total War where that's not a safe plan.

[floral herald]

Ah fair it’s different in that I think

[hollow laurel]

Actually, is there a rule that allows units to shoot through units next to them?

[main pagoda]

well they block LOS

[gray basalt]

It's a thing in Dwarves and Empire for TOW granted "gun"lines are probably best in Wood Elves bc of their magic arrows

[hollow laurel]

OH YES. TERCIO HERE WE COME.

DarkLordHades ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161696278640594954 message) It's a thing in Dwarves and Empire for TOW granted "gun"lines are probably best in Wood Elves bc of …

[main pagoda]

in total war when you want to do that you just corner camp with a frontline of strong infantry with a rune priest then you kinda just dont move while your arty nails whatever it is you dont like

[vital barn]

Solar Aux actually having tercio rules is always fun even if they change every edition

alas the 3.0 SA are no longer incentivised to form square to fend off approaching cavalry (rhino with tac marines in it)

[hollow laurel]

Though now that I think about it, since TOW and AOS has more granularity in unit sizes, ratherthan always whole companies, you could actually afford to do an old-style tercio much better.

[charred bridge]

Shart found herself a worse path than Shar

[gray basalt]

Dark Eldar are so much cooler than Shar

[charred bridge]

Everyone is cooler than Shar

[final tide]

https://assets.warhammer-community.com/image1-1756899954-a9cqxpnbho.jpg

Oh I need her

[past sphinx]

oh hey its shadowheart

[final tide]

true, but better because bdsm space elf

[past sphinx]

bdsm space elf is laezel

witch makes sense because laezel is better than shadowheart

[final tide]

i don’t actually know these women im dreaming about Smooching That Space Unseelie

[pastel rampart]

Going by fanart, Shadowheart is already a bdsm elf so this isn't all that different.

[final tide]

oh okay good

[remote wharf]

Oh hey new Archon. Finally.

I saw there was gonna be a real space raid battleforce and wondered where the Haemonculi part of it was. Then I saw the combat patrol. Kinda sucks that it's so focused on just one part of the army. Really pulling a chaos demons there.

[rocky shale]

The real tragedy is that it's like a 20% discount and 300 something points

Compared to the old 2 boats one

Good if you want the haemoculous but bad if you don't need it

Battleforce is kinda sick for getting into drukhari tho

Old combat patrol + battleforce + new combat patrol is probably a respectable 1000-1500ish point list

[remote wharf]

Does this hurt Drukharis chance of being the little brother army for 11th, or does it actually bolster since this might be them trying to clear out old stock before a refresh?

[floral herald]

What is a little brother army

[rocky shale]

The not space marines in the launch box

The old combat patrol, new combat patrol, and the battleforce are like 1365pts if you build to the box art which is pretty okay

[floral herald]

Ahhhhh

Deldars haven’t been a launch box army since 3e so we’ll see haha

[rocky shale]

Give me hope

[gray basalt]

Coven updates would make me consider 11th ed

If they don't fuck em up

I'm that sick bastard who wants to run just Haemonculi covens

[floral herald]

Good box for you haha

[rocky shale]

Buy 3x of the combat patrol and you are covenmaxxing

[uneven ember]

aww, JBR is stoked

[sour sequoia]

These are some warehouse ass boxes

Legit putting my money on primaris bikes, drukhari refresh, ravenwing refresh in 11th

[floral herald]

Plausible

Really dumping the mag on mean elves here

Tempted to pick up a box for my ynnari playing gf

[rocky shale]

Can't play like half the box in 10th unfortunately

[vital barn]

those are some decent deldar honestly

[rocky shale]

No scourge no hellions I think

[vital barn]

I have a lot of armies to build but at one time in the distant past I wanted to do a Kabal/Harlequin mix but put it off because of painting diamonds

these days Harlies are no longer their own codex, though

and the Solitaire is slightly less of a one-elf cruise missile

[tepid stratus]

Didn't primaris bikes only release last edition?

Now chaos bikes, that's where it's at

And will never be given the light of day by GW

[uneven ember]

DOOM
RID
ER
DOOM
RID
ER
DOOM
RID
ER

[gray basalt]

Doomrider is stuck in Trazyn's vault

Which Trazyn does have a harder time holding warp entities but if we think about what Trazyn's vault is from a meta narrative perspective it's where GW puts characters they might bring back but likely won't touch for a long time if ever

[rocky shale]

There's a whole detschment for mixing drukhari and harlequins called reaper's wager

[sour sequoia]

Relatively certain based on their last codex, if harlequins ever get a new codex independent of greater aeldari every dev for the game will have to enter witness protection

Just leave them as a cool mystery cult both bigger groups can use they’re cooler that way

[vital barn]

oh I have no problem with this

in 7th they were the not-actually-cracked wild card eldar faction, which were disliked mostly for being a Custodes-style stat check rather than an army

they work well as auxiliaries

how are Dark Eldar doing these days anyway

[brittle salmon]

They're like, middle of the pack? Their detachments both pick up tournaments wins here and there, but nothing earth shattering

[rocky shale]

The 2/3that people actually play lol

Skysplinter and reapers wager (the harlequin one) are both cool though

[sour sequoia]

All three detachments are Good its just that raiders is bizarre and very rigid

They’re quite strong but have a high skill floor and have essentially mandatory models that are mega out of print forever so I don’t see em often

[floral herald]

Another kill team game

Raveners vs Fellgore

It’s as bad as they say jfc

Snakes find goats delicious

We called the game after TP2

I lost my Prime and killed 8/10 goats

[pale narwhal]

Jesus

[floral herald]

I was rolling hot and he had fucked up and given me a good blast venomspit TP1

[pulsar holly]

https://youtu.be/M6mV-4Gwa-0

[paper bluff]

If I could afford it, I would have a hel smiths army for aos

[tepid stratus]

In 8th and 9th they went from stat check to blender that deleted everything it touches and is faster than you. Plus the usual custodes complaint of every hit they take being a 50/50 shrug because of the army wide 4++

Hated playing against them because they attracted a vile kind of min maxxer

Of a two and a half hour round of a tournament I had a Harlequins opponent burn an hour and a half of it on his own movement phase to get his shit down to the millimeter. Oh how naive I was to not grab a chess clock

[vital barn]

oh they were still a warp-speed melee blender army, but that was literally the only thing they did

so if you just threw out at least a B-tier screen and had decent anti-infantry dakka they whiffed completely, if you were built entirely for gravspam anti-wraithknight meta you would die horribly

[tepid stratus]

Screens unfortunately could only get you so far when they're all functionally flying

It was a bad time

Basically just had to spam bolter equivalent weapon profiles and pray

[vital barn]

their skimmers used to fly very well, but the infantry were reasonably easy to address

besides the Solitaire

who could basically manifest wherever he liked

they did have some pretty bullshit psychic powers, though

[radiant lotus]

How elite like/monster mash did I get the nids?

[tepid stratus]

Iirc troups had something like a 36" threat range in 9th edition

And counted as flying with flip belts

They where crazy

[tranquil ivy]

Miniature gore warning i suppose

"Let me know if this hurts"

[desert jay]

Is that a 3rd party sculpt? It's great

[tranquil ivy]

They are indeed! I bought some bits from them including some female Dragonborn torsos (seen in the image).

let me fetch the etsy shop

https://www.etsy.com/uk/shop/DragoonGaming?ref=shop_profile&listing_id=1815943111

I'll also note they gave me freebies.

i've ordered twice from them and they've given me all these as free parts

good price, amazing sculpts, giving away imperfect parts to reduce waste, they're a peak etsy shop imo

granted the "miniature brutalities" set has a size issue (third one is basically a dwarf) but the prints are really good nontheless

so yeah.
i recommend DragoonGaming for parts (they mostly do Salamanders, Blood Angels and Space Wolves themed bits)

[desert jay]

Nice

[west zealot]

I really like that giving away imperfect prints for kitbashing

thats' just genuinely genius

[tranquil ivy]

Agreed

[pastel rampart]

Anvil Industries sometimes has this "bag of bits" promo deal where if you do an order over X amount they'll throw in a grab-bag of imperfect casts for free.

There's usually quite a lot of stuff in there too.

[tranquil ivy]

Bad News: The dragon heads look wonky
Good News: I have a Dremel cutting tool
Bad News: Toxic air

ive cut my life expectancy in half but we aight (joke)

[desert jay]

PPE!

[tranquil ivy]

wot

o right

yea i really need to get a respirator

anyway peep the Hellblaster Sergeant

now that i look at this though i'm wondering if i should make my entire hellblaster squad into dragons, or if I should make them specific people since the mutations arent exactly picky

[upper canopy]

https://bsky.app/profile/karlthederanged.bsky.social/post/3lyfki4tzm22n

Karl, Man of Birch, Streamer of Man. (@karlthederanged.bsky.social)

Bluesky · Sep 9, 2025, 10:53 AM

[pulsar holly]

Until the Chorfs got confirmed my go to was gonna be Ossiarch, whenever I bought a box for AoS. Now its gonna be Chorfs.

HASHUT! HASHUT!

[floral herald]

Nagash will remember this betrayal

[paper bluff]

Can't argue with that

[pulsar cairn]

Purple!

[tranquil ivy]

I'm actually glad they gave me this free stuff. otherwise i wouldnt have a cool arm or backpack

also wip (not) Vulkan Hestan

[pulsar cairn]

dinosaur?

[tranquil ivy]

she's gonna be pointing forward with a spear soon

[tranquil ivy]

meant to be more draconic, but anything reptilian works for my chapter, lol

[pulsar cairn]

i like it

[tranquil ivy]

thank :3

i'd use this head but i need to grind it down to fit, and i dont want resin in my lungs

[sour sequoia]

getting my baldoids based

[tranquil ivy]

oh hell yeah

[sour sequoia]

I shudder at the pricetag but the eventual full host of ascension swarm knee deep in jungle is gonna rip

[upper canopy]

I thought he was holding a beer

[sour sequoia]

I may kitbash that on the second or third one

One of the funniest models in the range, one of two 40mm bases in the faction and its cuz he got Furniture

[tranquil ivy]

the

[remote wharf]

🦎

[pulsar holly]

Sorry can't hear his anger over the HASHUT chant

[hollow laurel]

He looks like a kobold writ big.

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[paper bluff]

Negash is a big nerd

[finite compass]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gijpAo70hzc

[sour sequoia]

Only 208 genestealers to go

[runic swallow]

Damn bro is this some kind of Hellraiser-style “blurring the lines of the extremes of sensation” project you e set out for yourself?

It looks great, but damn, I wish you luck knowing how crazy detailed GSC are

[sour sequoia]

Psychological advantage when people find out I battle ready’d 160 models in a month and start getting scared

I have no real rush but the town GT October 18-19 has a painting competition, I’d love to submit my genestealers

[runic swallow]

I don’t think I’ve done that in my life

The potential that you are some kind of miniature painting cenobite is increasing

Both in the Hellraiser sense and in the “holy shit are you some kind of painting monk?”

[sour sequoia]

I see one of the old dark eldar combat patrols in the store every day and keep getting tempted but so much black on my GSC and also my chosen marines chapter is the only thing holding it at bay

Cenobite may be true

[pastel rampart]

I've done 160 models in a month.

Well. Probably north of 200, I think. But this was orks.

[runic swallow]

Stop making me feel bad 😩

[pastel rampart]

Oh it was hellish, it was a commission and I absolutely would never repeat it. Not even for my own projects.

[runic swallow]

(I’m a very slow and not very good at getting stuff started or finished painter)

(And I want my stuff to look nice so I’m extra slow)

[pastel rampart]

There's some armies where you can absolutely get away with base coat > wash > highlight > jobs a good'un and that lets you crank out dozens of models at a time.

Orks and 'nids are that, guard to a lesser extent.

[runic swallow]

ADHD and not currently having a space separate from your cat makes painting hard

[sour sequoia]

I also never actually wanna industrialize batch painting again, its merely one of those things I did to see if I could

And now that I can its the funniest dick measuring contest anytime someone brings up like, chaos trim or purity seals

I was also pretty severely injured/partially paralyzed from October to January or so, and outta work till April so I was just painting like twenty skaven a day to stay sane—the GSC was started first day of employment as a treat and I did literally nothing else at home for that month

[runic swallow]

Joking aside those GSC guys look great

And I may have a painting project in the future that I’ll be able to bang out pretty quick since just priming my Bradley platoon will do about half of the work

And the other stuff will just be some details here and there, unit markings, and maybe some wear if I really wanna go nuts with it

The real goofy project will be if I decide to do the weird-ass Chinese marine camo on the other vehicles lol (lot of masking tape will be involved)

[pastel rampart]

So you might be able to do that digital camo using nail plates.

Which would be considerably easier than using masking tape, but of course you'd need to find nail plates with that kind of camo on it.

https://www.amazon.com/Maniology-Incognito-Stamping-Military-Camouflage/dp/B0F7LS7MQK Which hey, this might work.

[bright dove]

https://tenor.com/view/lizard-lizard-lizard-button-lizard-tom-the-lizard-pixar-gif-17194109322617058326

[charred bridge]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Grimdank/s/xgnbuvECZH

[paper bluff]

I like

My painting recently

[paper bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-even-funnier-the-second-time-spongebob-spongebob-meme-meme-impact-font-gif-20058612

[tranquil ivy]

this arrived

[cinder wraith]

nice

[runic swallow]

Haha nice

[hollow laurel]

Question: What does the TEST counter do?

[runic swallow]

I think it’s related to morale tests

[thin ibex]

Man I had, I don't remember who, but people were downplaying the skorpekhs to me, and I ran them in a small league, they were utterly lethal! They did die relatively easily, but they pretty much always did what I needed them to

[tranquil ivy]

reminder for battle shock tests

[sour sequoia]

It very well may have been me lol I got a love/hate relationship with em

They’re honestly not bad, they’re just kind of strange because they end up squishy for necrons and a full boat does not fit in any given ruin on competitive layouts

[thin ibex]

I found i wasn't having issues with them fitting into ruins, maybe the terrain was missized or something?

given, the skorpekh lord was also doing a lot of the heavy lifting

homeboy is a scary customer

i bet a skorpekh lord is real scary in crusade

[sour sequoia]

Skorp lords and both types of Overlords are legitimately some of the nastiest customers in crusade

Very quickly become Surplus Nightbringers

[mental birch]

Causing problems on old world tables

[thin ibex]

the lantern is actually such a big model

[mental birch]

Its giant

Hahaa

[hollow laurel]

I wonder if people play TOW on TTS.

[pastel rampart]

I have no idea how you'd even transport the lantern.

Lots of magnets, probably.

[mental birch]

Yes actually

I didn't build the tassles at the bottom so I could magnetise it

[junior robin]

finally, primaris...plasma shotgun lieutenant? 🤷‍♂️

[pastel rampart]

Looks to be LoV.

That or Necromunda.

[junior robin]

finally, LoV that are not a giant robot.

[south axle]

I hope Munda

[brittle salmon]

I'm confused by this haha

[junior robin]

I'm a big fan of LoV but getting tired of them getting more infantry

I want big ironkin!

[runic swallow]

Kin is kin 😌

[thin ibex]

in the old world, whats the lanterns role? Sniper/ranged support?

[desert jay]

I assume then the steeljacks are not big enough

[thin ibex]

I do think LoV steeljacks were a cool addition, but yeah I do think LoV kind of lack a centerpiece unit beyond the hekaton

i suppose their termies are kind a centerpiece big block infantry unit

[south axle]

SOmething something IK needs a big centerpiece that stands out

[thin ibex]

arent the big spensive knights great for that? Like the castellan and the valiant

are absolutely big boi centerpieces

[south axle]

Not big enough

[thin ibex]

you just want to play titans

which are not knights 😛

[vital barn]

Knights do have this

they have the Porphy and its lamer brother

[junior robin]

like the steeljack are a good start (wish they came in 5-10 squads thought)

[south axle]

Titans is a diff army. We need something between Porphy and Titans

[thin ibex]

???

a warhound titan?

[desert jay]

IK need infantry to make the existing big boys stand out more :p

[vital barn]

there is basically no space available between the porphy and Titans, it's essentially the size of a warhound

its AT rules are also cracked enough that it will happily 1v1 said warhound and win almost every time, but I don't think that's meant to be in-setting accurate

[junior robin]

"As mechanical beings, Ironkin can be corrupted by Vashtorr's abilities. In such a scenario they mutate horrifically before turning on their former kinfolk." GW once again hiding that good stuff in the lore

[south axle]

Space Chorfs?

[junior robin]

if only it was real looks over at a big pile of money labelled "chaos LoV budget" next to a smaller pile labelled "WE tank company budget"

[mental birch]

Being complete menaces

Close range fire support

Or like

Well CAS? I guess is the closest

[thin ibex]

Can they not be targeted by melee units?

That's pretty cool

[mental birch]

They can but melee units have one shot to kill them

And they they're gone menacing the rest of the army

Becausw they can just refuse fights

[pastel rampart]

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grumpael

The new Barrow Guard really is an upgrade compared to the "old" Grave Guard minis. Time to paint the rest of the new deathrattle box set.

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[radiant lotus]

Would anyone like to maybe play imperius dominatus with me?

It’s a fan made 6mm epic scale game based on 30k and I really enjoy it

[desert jay]

At least WE still get predators, unlike EC

[junior robin]

[radiant lotus]

It’s probably my favorite ruleset for warhammer

It’s d10 based 😎

[thin ibex]

I forget, do blood angels have a special helmet color for veterans?

[pastel rampart]

Yes. It's gold.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/2/20/Blood_Angels_helmets.jpg

[thin ibex]

Ty

[hollow laurel]

Why are their assault marines yellow?

[thin ibex]

Is it just me or do tacticals also have different shoulder coloring

[pastel rampart]

Sergeants have black pauldrons with yellow insignia.

And I dunno why yellow but I assume it's to make them easier to spot on the tabletop so you know what unit is what.

[sour sequoia]

BA have kept the most of the 80s paintschemes basically

[pastel rampart]

Yeah. Only real notable difference was removing the black pauldron trim during the 2e -> 3e transition.

[strong owl]

also, blood angels do the same shoulder trim colour that ultras do

[pastel rampart]

2e BA had a bit more color to them than just red.

[strong owl]

its just that the blood angels we see in art are usually 3rd or 5th company

... actually wait with primaris they've retconned it to be the colour of the blood drop in a clumsy way

booo

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/KAyUF/46fe03e17f.jpg

Compare it to 3e.

Slightly different shade of red, no trim, most don't bother with the kneepad insignia.

[strong owl]

you (used to) see occasional 2nd company blood angels with yellow trim (and i always thought it looked awesome)

[sour sequoia]

I’m really digging those yellow brackets on the assault marine jump packs tbh

Might borrow that pattern for my Raven Guard

[strong owl]

decorations on jump packs are so good

[sour sequoia]

Still kinda struggling to make RG interesting to paint after doing a lotta black on my genestealers lol

[strong owl]

best picture i have rn but on my retro ultras i got custom decals made with all the old yellow symbols on the tops of the jetpacks, and got to do the checkers

[sour sequoia]

Your retro ultras with the full livery & red weapons everywhere make me so happy every time, first time I’ve enjoyed the blueberries

[strong owl]

they're so much fun

ive been painting the desolators and just having a blast

[sour sequoia]

Blaming you for getting me interested enough in marines to buy into heresy

[strong owl]

ahahaha

yeees

friday im gonna be painting up a ton of my heresy marines im so excited

[sour sequoia]

Saturnine box, or somethin else 👀

[strong owl]

something very else

blood angels under the assumption that none of the legions were known by their modern names and the heresy was actually a totally secular civil war

so they're just "the bloody 9th". just stencilling a number on their shoulder

all the veterans are in MK2 armour, the line troops and junior officers are in MK6, and i've sculpted custom heads with hats for the helmetless ones to give them a more straightforward military look

[sour sequoia]

when power armor is actually kinda cruddy and industrial

[strong owl]

(and also a bunch of them are women lol)

[sour sequoia]

MkII and MkVI are ending up my faves too, I gotta see about some MkII jump packs

[strong owl]

the idea is that the vets will be painted in 3 tone camo thats so beat to shit (using chipping fluid) that the red primer is showing, and the line troops are being rushed out so quickly their camo is just strips of desert white straight over the primer

(also also; those guns on the vets there are also custom to make them Seekers. and the optae, aka a space marine 2nd lieutenant, has a much smaller imperial guard chainsword to make him look less impressive)

[thin ibex]

Meta paint jobs, armor coloring intended to help a commander who is hundreds of meters in the air

Direct them

[vital barn]

I am the number 1 Mk3 fan but I'm going to need to swap some of mine for Mk2 and 4 to vary up these Istvaan survivor squads some

still not sure whether to start with Alpha Legion or the rough platoon of DG and WE loyalists who are going to be the Most Weathered Boys

[pastel rampart]

It's part of why I got interested in doing a 2e BA force because I can go ham on just putting a bunch of fun freehand details and decals.

Though for my own sanity I'm making the change of having squad numbers on the right shoulder. Classic BA don't do that, they just have a symbol.

[strong owl]

i love how the MK3 is so obviously just MK2 with some plates bolted on

my praetoran retinue leans in bc im gonna pain their MK3 with unpainted rusted plates like they got these add on kits made in a field workshop

[vital barn]

I like its aggressive boxiness more than I do the scrappy part-assembled Mk2 look, but I will definitely have a few Mk2 guys mixed in

I also need to figure out how to do my WE champ, who uses termie champ rules but will be modelled as just a huge lad in artificer armour

proud member of the Wide Marines

I am basing this allied det on one highly particular entry in the Black Books that I really like, so I'm setting myself the little challenge of assembling the most effective army possible using only the stuff they're stated to have (20 Death Guard inc. one Librarian, seven WE with axes, two land raiders, one antigrav speeder of unknown model, no Apothecaries) and then allied Mechanicum

[thin ibex]

hmm question for you more comp players, but i understand Aggressors to be more out of vogue damage piece. My question is what are they sort of generally good at nowadays?

cause I like em, but I know they arent terminators

[rocky shale]

They have a lot of flamer shots I guess

[thin ibex]

twin linked power fists are never a bad thing

and twin linked flamers are alright i suppose

though i like em with the bolters too

T6 3+ is a solid defensive profile, but not enough to stop anything determined to get rid of them

[rocky shale]

5" movement is pretty abysmal

[thin ibex]

yeah

they need a transport or deepstrike or possibly coming in from reserves to really get around

[rocky shale]

They're basically terminators with +1T and marginally better offence, but worse saves, no invuln, and no deep strike

Terminators can deep strike/ingress somewhere, take a few big hits with that invuln, and still do like 90% of the damage of an aggressor squad

[thin ibex]

Smaller squads too

[rocky shale]

They're roughly the same points per model

[thin ibex]

Oh I'm not really coming from a place of "what does their job" I'm coming from a "I like the model, how would I use it"

[past sphinx]

finally a nonshit airbrush

[thin ibex]

I know terminators are better, that's why they're taken more

Their big damage combos don't work anymore either I'm pretty sure

[pastel rampart]

Nice, what brand?

[rocky shale]

Youd probably want to take flamers and use them as an overwatch threat and something to like heroic into a fight

[past sphinx]

badger patriot as seemed to be the most reccomended bang for buck

[rocky shale]

Sort of a defensive counter unit

[thin ibex]

That makes sense, and still helps them feel cool

I think they're neat

When i do salamander chunky theme lists, it's all gravis

[rocky shale]

Heavy intercessors and eradicators both do work

[pastel rampart]

Hell yeah, that's the one I got. It'll serve you well.

[rocky shale]

Melee is just rough when you don't have mobility

[mild glen]

Just have more mobility. Duh.

[tranquil ivy]

female space marines hell yeah

[past sphinx]

i just need to be sure not to accidently throw this one away

[pulsar holly]

@dawn mesa have you seen the new AoS Chorfs?

[dawn mesa]

Chorfs?

[pulsar holly]

Chaos Dwarfs, or the Zharrdrons as they're called in AoS.

Helmsmiths of Hashut

[dawn mesa]

WHAT

They brought them back!?

[past sphinx]

any singular release couldve been chorfs

the chances where never zero

it just finally rolled over on the odds

and the hats are an appropriate size

[pulsar holly]

YUP

https://youtu.be/M6mV-4Gwa-0

https://youtu.be/b_fNnjxk7mY

[dawn mesa]

Incredible.

Incredible.

I need to see if they are still turning to stone from magic!

[pulsar holly]

I kinda dig the new Hobgrot design

[tardy vault]

There's at least a spell that can temporarily turn a unit to stone lol

[floral herald]

They are

[dawn mesa]

Getting actual chills.

This is such a childhood nostalgia.

[tardy vault]

We've got details on their mechanics already and most of their warscrolls

They seem pretty fun! And the giant war machines are appropriately terrifying

[dawn mesa]

Marvelous.

Can't wait to read up on them!

[mild glen]

I am excited to get hit with the snowball mechanics!

[deft crest]

I love that they speak their own language in TWW3

[dawn mesa]

I imagine GW is doing well if they are revisiting them.

[sour sequoia]

My tourney list still fits on two trays hallelujah

[pale narwhal]

Good god

[upper bluff]

It's so impressive honestly

[thin ibex]

That qualifies as a horde army right?

[upper bluff]

The craziest thing to me is that there's still room on the vehicle board for a character or 2

[upper bluff]

Absolutely

GSC is the hordiest horde in 40k

The closest they have to expensive units are the aberrants and those are glass cannons

[mental birch]

Pre buff admech standing right here

[upper bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-tobey-maguire-sad-cry-crying-gif-4535637

[mental birch]

Admech the other expensive horde army

[upper bluff]

I don't want to talk about it... <- owns 6 Kataphron units because they're one of the best points per dollar we have

I used to hate them because they're ugly but I've been forcefully made to like them because they're good, cheap, and expensive

[mental birch]

nods

[desert jay]

I think they're cuddly....

[sour sequoia]

The goliath rockgrinder being 120 points is beautiful

[tardy vault]

How many infantry models do you have?

(I know I can count but I really don't want to lol)

[sour sequoia]

x80 neophytes
x15 flamer acolytes
x5 tool acolytes
x10 purestrains
x15 atalan jackals (mounted but they also respawn like infantry)

[tardy vault]

125 good lord

[sour sequoia]

The left tray and the 5 tool acolytes is also frequently the only stuff that starts on the board

[upper bluff]

Lmao

It's very flavorful. "Oh it's just 20 dudes in cars or bikes" then 100 more come out of the walls

[desert jay]

Also went and checked what the current count is on Guardmaxxing (ie. as many infantry models as possible), it's down to only 315

[sour sequoia]

“It’s just guys with shotguns and welding lasers” and then the first squad splits fire to kill your land raider and the full terminator brick on centerfield

[desert jay]

120 Cadians, 120 Catachans, 60 Kriegsmen, 10 Tempestus Aquilions, and 5-man command squad of choice

(You can swap the Aquilions for 10 more Kriegsmen but it's the same points)

[sour sequoia]

I ran into two people last GT who knew what GSC did but only Outlander Claw

I have never seen more abject terror than when my silly neophyte squads start tearing up 400pts of army apiece and then jumping back into reserves to do it again because they threw an apothecary shot at em

[upper bluff]

Gene Stealer Cult are so cool. I love the neo form or whatever it's the cowboy guy

[vital barn]

I don't really like the look of whole squads of Kataphrons, but there was one book where skitarii were running around with one plasma kata per squad as a kind of tankette field gun and that looks so much better

I wish they could actually do that in the game

the Kata kit is also conversion party time, there's a huge number of bits in there and they're all very useful

I've been tempted to get another box just to tear them up for parts for my HH Magi

[upper bluff]

Oh absolutely. I loaned some and to a dude and he's made iron warriors with the arms

[hollow laurel]

Can Krieg not come in packs of 20?

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[upper bluff]

"loaned" I just gave him the arms lol

[desert jay]

Cadians and Catachans are 65 for 10 or 120 for 20, Krieg are 65 for 10 or 165 for 20

[vital barn]

I have 20 of those Sigmar Tzeentch guys, the ripped shirtless dudes, who I tore apart and turned into combat servitors using only the spares from two boxes of Kat-Ds

[desert jay]

Which is why the Aquilions (100 for 10) cost the same as adding more Kriegsmen

[vital barn]

they look pretty good aside from a couple of lightning claw dudes who ended up with slightly funky poses after greenstuffing, I need to get them painted up

they were going to be electropriests back in the before-time of 7e, where Electros were terrible but really funny

[upper bluff]

Yeah. I want to turn some of the parts into a custom turret to sit on a knights head

[desert jay]

And I figure one semi-elite squad with deep strike added some pretty good value to a hypothtical list

[hollow laurel]

Mhm. Whereas I just love me Kriegers.

[vital barn]

building 30k mech lists is really fun, I keep finding cool little interactions I hadn't spotted

[tired cairn]

Wow, that's such a big points jump for a 20 strong squad

[vital barn]

in this case, it's that the sarges of Myrmidon squads are actually champions

so they can challenge, and they have the Myrmidax gambit that lets them Indiana Jones people and hose them down with their guns before each round of melee attacks are exchanged

[floral herald]

It’s cause they regenerate

So bigger squads are nonlinearly harder to kill

[vital barn]

their melee weapons are lackluster, they've got either D2 mauls or power axes, but a boosted Myrm Lord is WS6, BS6 T5 W4 5++ 5+++, they really don't die easily

that's tougher than a Praetor

so if they actually do roll a bunch of crits on the plasma and then tank it out they can put down most marine HQs that aren't Champions or Praetors, since the Marine can't really use any gambits other than the one that gives up your own bonuses just to prevent the Myrmidon from firing the plasma again

not bad for an 80pt squad sarge

[sour sequoia]

Regenerating 20-man squads start getting really, really funny tbh you find out quickly that anything less than blightlord bricks or multiple repulsor executioners does not actually have the firepower to take it out

[desert jay]

You can also give them a 4+ invuln

[sour sequoia]

Kriegsmen also get like a Feel
No Pain and access to ‘OC doesn’t turn off when I battle shock and every model is OC4”

[upper bluff]

30k mech is very cool but I would have to play 30k :/

Or I would have to collect 30k which is expensive too. The only reason I collect 40k mech is because I got a head start

[vital barn]

3.0 30k has the drip, honestly - corebook missions are a bit jank but the actual combat is really fun, and it's a lot easier to write better missions than it is to fix the core mechanics

and unlike 40k mech, their units cost an appreciable number of points per pound

[upper bluff]

That's tempting

My lgs had the starter box for the plastic 30k mech

[vital barn]

there's a new battleforce box for them coming soon, I think

you'll need a Magos, but the box contents are a solid 5-600pts depending on how you gear them

although personally I prefer the lascannon Thanatar

[upper bluff]

This is the box they have

[vital barn]

also roughly in the 500-600pt range, since those thralls in the front work weirdly

[mental birch]

I was thinking using 20 large blocks

[vital barn]

(you want squads of 10 thralls, which the Magos in charge will steadily add more models to over the course of the game for free)

[mental birch]

With a lachy tech priest

[mental birch]

Huh fair!

[vital barn]

big squads of thralls are really expensive, since they're 10ppm and quite frankly don't do shit

but if you have a magos and he adds 9-12 models over the course of the game to the 100pt min cost thrall squad, they're now like 5ppm, totally worth

[upper bluff]

I really like how important the warlord is in 30k

[vital barn]

I have considered an army with 3x min cost thrall squads with all my Magi in them

the grey goo

[mental birch]

Can rhe lachy battlesmith?

Twice per turn with the

What's thst called again

[vital barn]

machinator array

[mental birch]

Yeah and the othe tone

One

Or they can't stack

[vital barn]

yes, but thrall necromancy is 1/turn/squad

you can totally do necromancy and then repair a tank, though

works quite well, free screens

[mental birch]

Ahh

[vital barn]

hang on, let me check wording

yeah, can't maintain two squads because you need to be part of the squad to use it

Lacrys do have one other significant upside - their unique cybertheurgy sucks, just use the generic stuff instead, but they can repair infantry, including themselves

which makes them functionally unsnipable without absurd investment because they will get perfectly headshot and then just stitch the bloody hole where their entirely cosmetic head used to be shut and carry on no worse for wear

[mental birch]

I was thinking just techpriest lachys

Like pure techpriests with zombies if thst makes sense

[vital barn]

slightly worse value, since they won't live to repair themselves and they only add two models a round rather than 3-4 for magi/archmagi

but cheap Comptroller 1 scoring

and easy battlesmith for nearby damaged vehicles

assuming they get 3-4 turns of battlesmithing done they probably add about 5 more thralls on average, which makes them a perfectly reasonable 6.5ppm

give 'em a gravgun or melta so they can status stuff or potshot tanks

never cybertheurgy a thrall squad, the entire squad will die when feedback hits

[mental birch]

nods

My other thought was magos partying with

Castellax

Well basic techpriests

[rocky shale]

30k has cool models but unfortunately the local 30k scene attracts all the nastiest chuds whereas 40k has been lovely

[vital barn]

As far as I can tell, Castellax are almost literally Big Marines

[mental birch]

Yeah healing nonsese

For them

[vital barn]

bolter (big), bolt pistols (big), fists (big), +3 save, BS4 WS4 when buffed

cheap and cheerful

Any Magos can repair Automata, so you can take Cybernetica priests so they score

[mental birch]

Yeah so like cybernetica techprirsts

[vital barn]

If you just want cheap meat you can also spend a detachment on the Techpriest one and use the prime priest to logi benefit in Echidnax

[mental birch]

I need in more like

The elite ursarax detachment seems like good nonsense

[vital barn]

yeah I haven't seen it tried yet but I really want to run the full 27 feral hogs in that det

just blend

[rocky shale]

Feral hogs?

[thin ibex]

I kinda wish there were assault cannon kataphron

[mental birch]

Feral bears

[mental birch]

S6 bears

With claws

I think s6

[vital barn]

Can I interest you in a secutor with two gatling bolters instead

[thin ibex]

They have shoulder mounted maxim machine guns

That's fun

[rocky shale]

Oh not real bears 🙁

[vital barn]

They can swap them out for shoulder-mounted plasma LMGs

[vital barn]

They're called Ursarax, because they bear hug people and then shoot them with their chest volkites

[rocky shale]

I see

Mechanicum laser sharks when

[vital barn]

so yeah, not real bears, although if someone modelled the full 27 ursarax as bears I'd absolutely give them all the Magos Biologis points

they are basically ogryns with jump packs and lightning claws, they exist to facetank everything and blend all things besides elite terminators, dreads and vehicles

the bane of hordes

[mental birch]

Myrmidax spam

[vital barn]

Ursarax are also functionally immune to suppressive fire due to being anthropomorphic cocaine bears, they only fear fire

(robopomorphic?)

[deft crest]

So i learned about another boy i have to ask on a date...

Its a shame he runs with the Chaos marines and not with demons but i suppose our cliques have some overlap

[dawn mesa]

I hope he says yes!

[deft crest]

-# It makes sense because C.daemons dont get vehicles

[gray basalt]

Yet

And they already kinda do

Slaanesh and Khorne have chariots

So does Tzeentch

[deft crest]

They Aren't Though

Believe me

I wish they counted

They don't

Skullcannons would be better if they were vehicles instead of Mounted

Wait I always forget

Of course

Soul-grinders are vehicles

Vehicle vs NOT vehicle

-# End of theja rant

[pastel rampart]

The skullcannon is as much a vehicle as a space marine bike is.

[dawn mesa]

Nu uh.

The Soul Grinder doesn't have a tongue.

The skullcannon has a tongue.

[paper bluff]

The skull cannon has its own goals

[gray basalt]

Oh da keywords

I'm admittedly not a huge fan of the keyword system

Like it makes sense but very boring

[past sphinx]

@pastel rampart holy shit this thing is so much better

[pastel rampart]

Ain't it tho?

You can get some rather thin lines if you do it right but don't expect pencil-thin ones, it ain't made for that.

[runic swallow]

What mystery painting tech is this?

[pastel rampart]

Airbrushing.

[runic swallow]

Ah, gotcha

[pastel rampart]

Atlas got a Badger Patriot 105 which I affectionately call the AK-47 of airbrushes.

Can't do everything but it sure covers a lot of bases and will survive damn near whatever you put it through and work fine after a bit of cleaning.

[past sphinx]

and isnt made out of pure mystery 30 dollar chinesium

[mild glen]

I have hatched... a plan.
It might even be properly defined as a scheme.
I am going to build a Drukhari army. It will be "mine", but painted and built to The Spouse's sensibilities.

And then. And then. I will make her play it against me.
I will make many subtle tactical errors that she will be sure to capitalize on. And she will defeat me.
And then, it will be me. I will be the True Winner of the War of 40,000 Hammers!

[main pagoda]

many such cases

[mild glen]

This will surely never backfire on me.

[charred bridge]

Lore accurate horus heresy

[rocky shale]

The hardest part of 40k is baiting your frienda/family into the hobby

[mild glen]

I thought the hardest part was the deployment phase?

[main pagoda]

See since you actually managed to not only convince your friend into playing 40k but also had them stick with it enough to make an army and play a game. Everything after is easy

[rocky shale]

That's after you convince your SO to play, then World Eaters scout move + advance + charge +blood surge into them T1

That's the hardest deployment phase because it tests your relationship

[main pagoda]

Oh yeah first game you are obliged to WAAC them to test their mental strength

[mild glen]

See, unfortunately, I'm a T'au player. My turn 1 test is exploding your centerpiece model

[dawn mesa]

Oh yeah! Well I'm Drukhari. My turn 1 test is getting my centerpiece model exploded!

[charred bridge]

First army's free, on me

How you bankrupt someone

[sour sequoia]

Speak of the devil, I killed a riptide with one singular benefictus tonight

Turn 2 drop. Hazardous firing on Benefictus for a second shot of sustain-lethal lascannon on a random dipshit infantry to throw at a Riptide

Crit both. Wound both. Riptide fails all 4 saves, dies instantly to one singular guy, blowing up for 6 damage to 3 genestealers, 6 damage to an acolyte squad that just dropped down, 4 damage to 3 kroot hounds, 5 damage to two stealth suits

Absolute cinema

[mental birch]

Thats why i always spend at least 90 points on pathfinders

[mental birch]

That only ever happens if you deploy like an idiot in modern terrain

[pale narwhal]

GSC terrify me purely bc I've never even seen a GSC player irl

like they're a complete unknown and play so weird that I don't know what I'd do in a match

[south axle]

GSC players aren't real, they can't hurt you

[desert jay]

Okay imagine Guard, but with no arty, worse vehicles, and a lot of uppy-downy and respawns

[tranquil ivy]

imagine Orks

but theyre Skaven

[radiant lotus]

is there any high level nids or salamanders gameplay I can watch?

[tranquil ivy]

Play on Tabletop has some decent games with Nids and sometimes sallies

[sour sequoia]

Salamanders is just marines, their detach has been out for like 3 weeks total and is ultimately just two characters, a bunch of infernus and a redeemer. Tryin’ to think who plays bugs real good

[tranquil ivy]

Firestorm is also the sallies detach

Forgefather is literally just an alternate playstyle for Firestorm for those that dont want a buncha vehicles

[tranquil ivy]

FUCK IT WE GOING NECROMANCY IN THIS BITCH

I have decided zombie (and dragon) space marines are cool

Draconic sorcerers and marines that use Necromancy to fill their ranks

even in death they still serve...

[vital barn]

turn those Keys of Hel

[dense idol]

Char2: 1x Overlord (105 pts): Warlord, Resurrection orb, Voidscythe
Enhancement: Nether-realm Casket (+20 pts)
Char3: 1x Overlord with Translocation Shroud (85 pts): Resurrection orb, Overlord's blade
Char4: 1x Skorpekh Lord (120 pts): Enmitic annihilator, Flensing claw, Hyperphase harvester
Enhancement: Enaegic Dermal Bond (+30 pts)

10x Immortals (150 pts): 10 with Close combat weapon, Tesla carbine

10x Lychguard (170 pts): 10 with Warscythe
3x Skorpekh Destroyers (90 pts): 3 with Skorpekh hyperphase weapons
3x Canoptek Scarab Swarms (40 pts): 3 with Feeder mandibles
3x Lokhust Heavy Destroyers (165 pts): 3 with Close combat weapon, Gauss destructor```

making a real list so that i'm not caught completely by surprise when i'm thrown arbitrarily into a 1k points game again

how's this?

[tired cairn]

Apparently GW accidentally pushed the would-be dataslate update to the app before rolling it back today

[rocky shale]

Drukhari codex already leaking lmao

[rocky shale]

Release date said 9/17

[tired cairn]

Warp shenanigans

[sour sequoia]

I’m gonna be intrigued if it all goes through, Host of Ascension got a lil gutted from what I saw so its back to the genestealer labs

The other detachments at least got replacements for literally RAW unusable stratagems, Xenocreed is getting 6” rapid ingress again

[rocky shale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1416107548905443432/1416117741328269323/image.png?ex=68c5adeb&is=68c45c6b&hm=4df0a35f1340a6df43a47583d6b8df4755cddaa0c34b1b5fe6e56e15ff5f337f&

Wild stuff in the drukhari codex but the base stats are pretty iffy

[thin ibex]

got a lot of wolf players huffing copium, any news on if they're gonna let generic terminator leaders lead wolf guard terminators?

or are we forever stuck with named characters and the inability to use detachment enhancements to benefit wg termies

[sour sequoia]

Host of Ascension Gutted

Time to go back to the labs boys

[rocky shale]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/htklvbct/warhammer-40000-balance-dataslate-arrives-a-little-early/

More admech buffs qow

oughhhh

Imperial Agents is saved by this 10 point cost drop on watch masters and dwkt

[upper bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-bob-esponja-gif-2904459546447199840

[deft crest]

Clarification with And/Or for daemons is nice

I don't have to explain to my opponent logic gates when deepstriking

[upper bluff]

Cawl went up 40 points and his canticles do things I thought they already did

Also iron striders went up by 5 lol

[deft crest]

Denizens of the Warp Stratagem
Delete Restrictions section.

Idgi

What was the restriction

[floral herald]

lol fucking nothing for CSM

The God’s chosen faction needs no changes

[rocky shale]

They got twin linked

[rocky shale]

Regretting picking up agents instead of csm lmao

[floral herald]

I am leaving a little out

There was a minor timing change to Bile’s regeneration thing

[pastel rampart]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/1mkelcz/crusade_eternal_grimaldus_redemptor_dreadnaught/ Oh this is a neat conversion

[floral herald]

And you can only give Obliterators Indirect in the shooting phase which I’m sure will come up… at some point in 10e’s lifespan

[vital barn]

I really like the Saturnine's design but it is just too goddamn huge, it makes Contemptors look like jokes

if it was Levi-sized I'd be all for it

[rocky shale]

For me:
Aledari got minor internal balance but they're fine.
CK didn't get more point nerfs but they did eat nerfs to abominant spam and a couple detachment rules to be a tad bit worse.
Imperial Agents continue to be unloved dogshit

[deft crest]

-# That note is driving me insane i'm trying to find where it HAD a restriction

[vital barn]

I haven't seen one next to an old boxnaught yet, but the boxy boy has been tiny for a while

he's only about the size of a Sat terminator

[pastel rampart]

...y'know, using a sat termy as a count-as dread isn't a bad idea.

Especially for GK, just slap one of the helmets in there.

[sour sequoia]

Goes hard as hell tbh

I’m diggin that idea, it’s also like. A full playset of dreads off one box

[pastel rampart]

And actually cheaper than finding a used dread online.

Which is maybe a little fucked but whaddyagonnado.

[rocky shale]

What armies still run boxnaughts

[sour sequoia]

GK for sure

I think SW have use too

[pastel rampart]

https://d1w82usnq70pt2.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/tactical-dreadnought-armour.jpg

Geez.

[vital barn]

man, their statline really does not back up them being that big

they're pretty beefy but they're not that beefy

[desert jay]

I think one of those is a thing that they used to do and got nerfed and now un-nerfed

[vital barn]

the designate-target, reroll-hits thing is actually a completely different ability from 7th

it used to be the Dominus ability from the Start Collecting box formation

neat to see it coming back

[pastel rampart]

https://spikeybits.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/6d210e47-paragon-warsuit-built.jpg

Funnier idea actually: SoB in sat armor.

[radiant lotus]

Neurolictor -10, Tervigon -15, Mawloc -10, Genestealers -10 for 10 man

this.... doesn't feel enough at all

you could argue nids best units in the tyrannoflex and exocrine already are too expensive

the main issue is that nothing in the army punches hard

good mawloc buff tho

[tired cairn]

I feel like the neurolictor has been yo-yoing +/-10 points this entire edition

[hollow laurel]

Deep Strike can never be within 6" of models.

Theja, Dog w/ Pilebunker ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161696278640594954 message) Denizens of the Warp Stratagem
Delete Restrictions section. 📎

Except under the effect o- Wait hold on.

[tired cairn]

Oh, they gave iron striders twin-linked while still keeping the extra attack

[pale narwhal]

Minor points cuts for tau, we’re cooking with gas baybee! Broadsides down, crisis suits and farsight down…

[sour sequoia]

About to huff the strongest copium and try running the full 120 neophytes

3x20 laser/seismic/webber/nades Bennies
1x20 laser/seismic/webber/nades Primus
2x20 stubbers/seismics/webbers/flamers + Iconwards

[thin ibex]

oh yo? they gave deff dredds mw on the charge?

is it a come back

[pale narwhal]

Gsc got hit that bad?

[sour sequoia]

Primus is a lmao, the strat that made offense work is 2cp

[pale narwhal]

Oof

[sour sequoia]

The pickup strat is also much weaker now

Being 1 unit EoT instead of after getting shot

[rocky shale]

I love the rules of the new drukhari codex even if the power is a bit low

Tons of fun fluffy things

[mental birch]

His grandmother once told him

"My grandmother once said"

[dawn mesa]

Oh? Say on!

... Huh. Urien is gone, as are Grotesques, looks like.

[rocky shale]

Yeah all the resin models are gone

[mild glen]

Expected, tbh

[charred bridge]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Grimdank/s/D1zZp9FDfU

[desert jay]

The orb is important

[charred bridge]

Miku and orb, name a more iconic duo

[upper canopy]

Teto and the Cube

[hollow laurel]

-# ORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRB!

[mild glen]

So, I got absolutely trashed yesterday during my game. Completely dogwalked. So, at work, I was going over the game in my head to figure out how IU could do better and gang, I got so many rules wrong to my Active and significant detriment.

[thin ibex]

That's learning tho! That's at least a silver lining

[sour sequoia]

every game I play competitively, I go through a slumdog millionaire style flashback that causes genuine psychic damage remembering every mistake that cost me a game. every turn.

eventually, you run out of mistakes to make and then you're a big baller

[mental birch]

Ohmygod

Riptide

You got a s9 gun

S10 close range

Oooooo

[dense idol]

reposting this after it got buried

how's this for a 1k list?

overlord and lychguard on one middle objective, shroud overlord and immortals on another, skorpekh lord and destroyers on the third, hexmark sits on the deployment zone objective, scarabs and lhds immediately icbm themselves towards the opponent's big centerpiece vehicle to blow it up as soon as possible

i have an alternative where i drop the nether-realm casket and scarabs for a plasmancer on the immortals, to hit the objective round one with guaranteed 11-inch movement followed by lethal 5+ sus hits 2 assault weapons, which sounds Very Funny

[floral herald]

Wahoo got Tomb World in store

[floral herald]

It seems pretty good to me

[dense idol]

okay good

that's confirmation that i'm not actually Doing It All Wrong unknowingly

[thin ibex]

Which detachment? Don't recognize the enhancements.

Overall for 1k seems fine if a bit slow, id say it might be on the fragile side, but you have a decent number of bodies.

Hexmark on home objective seems like a weird choice as well, considering how useful he is with a cheeky rapid ingress

[dense idol]

this is awakened dynasty

i thought that "hexmark / deathmarks on home objectives to overwatch any deep strike tomfoolery" was a textbook play, but i see there is much for me to learn

[mental birch]

This is 1k very few dudes will have deep strike tomfoolery

[dense idol]

true

[thin ibex]

That's not to day hexmark on home is terrible it works because of the overwatch like you said, but I personally feel like they really shine when you squeeze a stupid amount of sitting out of one

[sour sequoia]

Picked mine up this morning and been daydreaming at work

The terrain is top notch

I love finally any flavors besides ‘random imperial hab block ruin’

[vital barn]

Sector Mechanicus has been carrying GW terrain since I got into the hobby, good as it is

I wish I could find one of the old Aquila Strongpoints though

I want my macrocannon

unfortunately it appears to be basically gone from the secondary market also

[deft crest]

Is this like the sarcastic ooh or a real ooh?