Warhammer and Such

[pulsar cairn]

How often do non orks hire orks as mercenaries?

[past sphinx]

rarely

they are more receptive to it then one might think tho

[upper bluff]

I imagine it's not hard to convince an Ork to be their own Boss lol

[charred bridge]

The early early lore when orks were fancy cockney one ork basically bartered and ran a weapons factory, then killed the buyers eventually, then the factory

If you arm your opponents then the fight gets better

And you keep the best dakka for yourself

[west zealot]

Rarely. It works really well right up until it doesn't, because Orks will get bored.

Or just backstab you in epic fashion

[pulsar cairn]

That aint very propa of them

[west zealot]

Blood Axes are sneaky gits

(and most orc mercenaries are going to be blood axes)

Also I appreciate that Orkstealers are still canon and still not great at their jobs:
"Some of da boyz from Octarius got their mekz to loot some of da dakka from da tirry-nids. Works pretty well if you keep ’em fed. You can get sum from Ulg Lotsarms and his boyz, just smack ‘im in da gob if he keeps talkin’ about “Gork and Mork but wiv four arms for hittin’ people” and “the patriork” and uvver rubbish."

(also the mental image of Orks feeding their guns is adorable. Probably less adorable if you're a poorly located grot)

[pulsar cairn]

amazing

[west zealot]

A reminder that while there's plenty of good writing in 40k, there's also... Not

[tranquil ivy]

Thank ya! The original comes from the firstborn Space Wolves upgrade kit

also ngl the best part about having a homebrew chapter is I can fuck around with em

like yes im making a unit of slaanesh infused female space marines with dragon heads and you cant stop me. fuck "heresy" this is my army and i choose it raah

[silk torrent]

why they did that to my terminus decree

they better double fake out this

[tranquil ivy]

Oh god i keep hearing bad things about it

Enlighten me on the new terminus decree 👁️

[silk torrent]

||it says to put the big E back in the chair if he magically revives||

[mental birch]

||Emperor: If i get out of the chair, that isn't me.||

[silk torrent]

||didn't fucking tell the custodes that tho||

[desert jay]

And as far as anyone knows, Kaldor Draigo is the only living soul who knows. And he's somewhat indisposed most of the time

[tranquil ivy]

oh yeah that decree

[silk torrent]

10th edition greyknights codex thought it was in a book so I guess we can talk openly now

[silk torrent]

like honestly Big E you couldn't have explained to the banana guard you needed to be on the chair

[tranquil ivy]

honestly i'd pay to see Grey Knights vs Custodes

[upper canopy]

I still do not get why people are so adverse to this

[silk torrent]

grey knights loose handedly they are just corruption resistant psycher space marine

[upper canopy]

Like 10 harlequins made it to the throne room

[silk torrent]

it's supposed to be mysterious not everything needs an explanation

[silk torrent]

that's cuz they are harlequins which are cool and based

[tranquil ivy]

"You are to slay the Emperor?!"

"As the decree has stated. Step aside, lest you be cut down for standing before the terminus decree."

"What the fuck is the terminus decree?"

"You wouldn't get it."

[upper canopy]

I take more chagrin at people powerscaling custodes into being undefeatable than the idea that the Grey knights might have a conflicting order because the emperor was an untrustworthy asshole

[silk torrent]

I just think dropping a lore bomb as huge as the terminus decree in a single paragraph codex tidbit is a huge L like at least a novel games workshop

[mental birch]

Giant lore bombs as off handed statements is the style of the tine

Time

[tranquil ivy]

real they kinda just pushed it aside

but

it also feels very 40k

[silk torrent]

like the big plan™ is bs useless note that just says kill me if i become a god how lol figure it out

[tranquil ivy]

"Oh yea uh the grey knights have this big fucking thing. its really important to the lore. anyway time to show some art lmao"

[silk torrent]

I feel that's very grimderp so I agree

[tranquil ivy]

I do understand the outrage but good lord it's just so funny

[silk torrent]

next they gonna off handedly explain the symbolism of the stone, iron, gold men in a twitter post

no wait I've got a worse one

primarch 2 and 11 reveal in a tik tok

[mental birch]

NGL I love thst energy

Of doing that

Inherently funny

[desert jay]

Lore reveals in codex sidebars is nothing new

[silk torrent]

I'm still against revealing it in the first place no explanation would have made me happy

[desert jay]

But also, I love the memes

[silk torrent]

can't deny the memes are pretty funny

[desert jay]

And no one, no one can complain it's the worst bit of Grey Knights lore

[crimson solar]

worse than knight buggy

[jaunty dawn]

the terminus decree was and still is a minor detail at best

[floral herald]

Well yeah, it would be pointless

Since the stodes can’t stop him anyway

[tepid stratus]

Yeah they're physically incapable of going against him. To the point even Valdor was only disturbed by the fact that not being able to go against the emperor didn't disturb him

[thin ibex]

Isn't Valdor ||the King in Yellow|| though?

[floral herald]

I’m not sure why that would be relevant though

Since it’s like a genetic thing that they can’t go against the emperor even unwillingly

[thin ibex]

Well, wouldn't operating a traitor faction that works to destabilize or dismantle the Imperium in various ways and engages with things prohibited by the Imperium qualify as going against him?

[upper canopy]

Only if hes not actually working under the emperors orders

[floral herald]

No cause the emperor would prolly do that too if he was awake

Neoth would not be cool with the legion of backwards lunatics who think he’s a god

[bright dove]

Worst Case scenario for the Emperor getting out of the chair is the Dark King.

[floral herald]

Yeah the GK don’t really have much time to act if that happens though

Just a loud pop and a storm big enough to make the eye of terror look like the squint of terror

[tired cairn]

You just need to make sure a protagonist is around when it's happening. Then there will just enough time to stop it

[junior robin]

finally, space foxes primaris lieutenant

[deft crest]

Don't, Don't let me hope for more furries

I just hope its for a faction i can play lol

[upper bluff]

I mean that's just an AoS Sylvanis unit

In what world would it not be

[junior robin]

could be a fire fox for a salamanders rebranding

[remote wharf]

So I knew Acheran from space marine 2 was the phobos captain, but apparently he was the gravis captain from dark imperium box too according to lexicanum.

[bright dove]

Wolf undead for Gravelords.

[misty violet]

A fair few gravelords units have those roots growing on them

Though I would love more Sylvaneth units, I feel like of all the factions that got significant overhauls from their WFB precursors they got handled the best

At least, of the initial wave of new AoS factions

As opposed to the Ossiarchs, Fyreslayers, or even the Ironjawz

[hardy harness]

I find myself growing fonder of the Grey Knights lately

Demon hunting space wizards in power armor with the COOLEST mf helmets

[tired cairn]

I don't think I can tolerate the baby carriers until they take it to 11 and have a knight sized unit that baby-carries the baby carrier

[sour sequoia]

If it wasn’t for the dreadknights, I’d probably run them. The full knight vibe is always what I want outta space marines

[rocky shale]

They soooo need a rescale

[jaunty dawn]

Ik black templars are…black templars but I feel like they do the knight thing better

[misty violet]

I think the main idea with Grey Knights is a little flawed, though I love their core aesthetic with the armet style helmets and power polearms

Like the baby carriers are pretty bad and come from a pretty dark period of 40k design work, but the whole conceit of Space Marines+ who are more secret than secret, who fight daemons for the Inquisition, and who are potentially from the Emperor's geneseed is just a little much. They feel like they're trying not to be the Custodes too hard in some respects

[pastel rampart]

In an era where Custodes weren't playable and had next to no fluff it made a sort of sense to have GK be the extra special marines.

[misty violet]

Well that's sort of what I mean, they just feel like they were always this weird compromise that then got heaps of the Ultra Special Boys sauce on them

While also being just a flavor of space marines rather than something totally independent

I can't quite put my finger on it but something about the GK has always rankled me, even back when I was just getting into Warhammer around their release in 5th

But I have also always loved their whole aesthetic

[pastel rampart]

Prior to their 5th ed book they were part of a component of Imperial forces via the Daemonhunters and Witchhunters codices, and their units were limited to just power armor troops, terminators, and a dread. And as part of a greater selection of troops I think they fit in rather well as a very secretive element of the Imperium that's assigned to deal with Chaos above all else.

It's once you get to the baby-carrier and flying transports and all the other shit they got, on top of the too-cool-for-school lore dump, that things got kinda weird and not good.

Most marines got over the Matt Ward period of insane lore, but GK...hasn't. Not fully, anyway.

[misty violet]

Yeah, and the hubbub around the Terminus Decree feels like shudders of that

[runic swallow]

Tbh I like the decree

Adds a bit of interesting internal conflict

[pastel rampart]

I also like it because it gives a rare definitive answer to something in the lore AND gives us a bunch of funny-ass memes, while engaging the brain of "well okay how would they even pull this off."

[runic swallow]

I think people are making a bigger thing of it than it just being a lore blurb

[pastel rampart]

(I also think GK need a serious model refresh)

[runic swallow]

I think the answer is “they would still try it even if they all died”

[misty violet]

Oh definitely. I think it's not meant to be taken as seriously as it has been by the community. It strikes me as a little ridiculous, like the implication that the GK are just going to bumrush the entire palace themselves and think they can actually accomplish it, it's that Cruelest and Least Efficient Regime imaginable thing going

[runic swallow]

And it opens interesting questions of why it would have been written and who actually wrote it

[misty violet]

But I get why people got a little up in arms, if only because in the context of how the GK were handled in the past it could be taken as being written as somehow serious and plausible

[runic swallow]

I mean I don’t think it’s totally implausible to try

[sour sequoia]

Based on what we know of who’s dogwalked custodes: they are the guys who could do it

[runic swallow]

And it’d almost certainly end up being a whole thing that ends up bringing in a bunch of radical inquisitors and other stuff

[sour sequoia]

Last argument of the imperium’s status quo remains sick as hell

The machine will put the figurehead back in the God Damn Box

[runic swallow]

Basically it’d be a total clusterfuck of an attempt to reimpose the status quo, yeah

Whether they pulled it off or not it’s the idea that this was written that’s the more interesting part

I think everyone is too focused on the “could they do it” and less on the “who wrote this thing and why”

Since if it’s the emperor that’s interesting, if it’s Malcador that’s interesting for other reasons, if it’s someone else that’s even more questions

[misty violet]

And just how crazy, fanatical, and irrational it implies even the highest levels of the Imperium can be, for multiple reasons

[desert jay]

Oh for sure, and in the edition where almost everyone got new termies, it feels like a definite slight that the faction that's half termies didn't

[pastel rampart]

It's really weird!

Makes me wonder if they've either got them in the pipeline and holding off on releasing new models for some reason, or trying to decide if it's even worth a redo.

Could be some internal sales numbers indicate it's not worth it right now or...something.

[misty violet]

I do feel like it takes some serious doing to get GW to refresh a line that's old and not selling well

I mean look how long it's taken to start getting the new Eldar

[pastel rampart]

Eldar have traditionally sold pretty well, but also their older models hold up incredibly well.

[upper bluff]

Yeah but the idea of an old model line not selling well is just how it works

Like why would you buy the stumpy grey knights as a new player when the other Marines are twice the height

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, I don't get why GW does what it does.

[upper bluff]

Like the models aren't just old, they look old

[pastel rampart]

I think they look worse than the 3e metals.

[upper bluff]

Then you have the fire prism which is older but also looks rad still

[soft willow]

Looking for sense from James Workshop is a fool's errand.

[upper bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-mind-enigma-spilled-milk-gif-14172730

[pastel rampart]

https://www.thepaintingshopworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/greyknight_newold.jpg

Like it's a weird thing to be nitpicky about but the hobby rewards that so I'll die on this hill.

[past sphinx]

Like half the tau range is from like 4th or 5th?

[thin ibex]

my biggest beef with the gk is that they never once seemed like a full army to me. they seemed like real cool special single squad guys

not so different from like a deathwatch kill team

which is also my beef with the idea of deathwatch armies being a thing

sure gk might occassionally group up for big actions to slay big demons, but thats still like... a notable exception to their usual operation

(that and their whole thing is to slay demons. Specifically. Like not even ambiguosly. But now they're out here fighting infantry land battles against whomever the fuck)

[desert jay]

Yeah but the thing about Tau is that the 3e debut Tau still look pretty good today, the updates they got just look a bit better

[floral herald]

A lot of 5e era models have these weird over wide stances for their scale

[pastel rampart]

Yeah. And it's when GW started slapping a ton of detail on models, to the point of making them look awkward.

Sanguinary Guard are one of the big offenders there, and the primaris version is a much better rendition.

[main pagoda]

detail bloat was quite a common trend for 40k minis and thankfully it seems to be on the way out

[pastel rampart]

Yeah. The designers seemed to have come to their senses that having some blank spots on a model is a good thing.

[tardy vault]

depends on the army tbf. Guard infantry has horrific amounts of detail for the sheer amount you have to paint

[main pagoda]

im a custodes player so i get the worse of both worlds while yes i want my guard to look sick with details theres also so much and it makes the model look very messy

[charred bridge]

The real power behind grey knights is you just need to put primer on them and you can say they're done

[jaunty dawn]

I think the reason theres been no grey knights update is because they’re indecisive abt keeping them tbh

Or like arent ready to commit to it

Partially because like, space marines are already a whole thing and its taken like 10 years to mostly refresh the range with a twice an edition release cadance

[pastel rampart]

Yeah. They might be waffling on whether to keep them as a whole separate force or just roll them into something else (aka Daemonhunter 2: Electric Boogaloo).

[jaunty dawn]

(Which is also something that makes the eldar comparison weird in like, modern times. It took a long time to get to it but eldar got releases like every year for the past few years)

Yeah i mean the range is basically the same size as the harlequin one

And they came down on the side of not really supporting it as its own army anymore

[runic swallow]

On the other hand the mid-Cold War thing they got going on now is

[upper bluff]

This might sound kinda weird but I basically rate an army on completeness when it has its own transport (that's not a rhino) Until grey knights and custodes get their own vehicle they will always look kinda empty

And no the grav tank and $500 gunship don't count

[pastel rampart]

That would mean Blood Angels aren't complete, as they don't have a unique transport.

[pale narwhal]

the vehicles (devilfish chassis) are really bad- not because they’re bad sculpts but because the moulds are deteriorating so badly that bent railguns and pitted plastic is like. The norm in those kits now

[desert jay]

If you don't count Rhinos and Land Raiders as transports, that excludes literally every Chaos faction

[upper bluff]

Oh my god you're right

[upper canopy]

I meannnnnnnnnnnnn

[desert jay]

And if Razorbacks and Immolators are also just a subset of Rhino, then not just GK and Custodes but Sisters too

[floral herald]

Hey we have the venerable Chaos Rhino, proving that breaking free of the blinders of false faith comes with a cool rocket launcher for 23 years

[upper canopy]

Remember metal boxes

you all used to love metal boxes

[past sphinx]

the havoc launcher fuckin sucks to build but its RAD AS THE WARP

[desert jay]

Factions, by non-FW ground transport:

• Space Marines, with almost a dozen different transport options just for UM
• Chaos, GK, Sisters, Custodes, which have Rhino and/or Land Raider
• Xenos, Guard, and Admech, which all have bespoke transports
• Knights, which need no puny transports

[floral herald]

I don’t think Tyranids have a real ground transport

Tyrannocyte comes close

[desert jay]

Oh right it's a flyer, it goes in the "flyers aren't real" bin

I guess it does get to ignore most of flyers' restrictions though...

[pastel rampart]

Mycetic spores...maybe count? if we count drop pods as a transport.

[brittle salmon]

the tyrannocyte isn't Aircraft, tho

it's a mobile drop pod thing

[floral herald]

It has fly and an 8" move speed so it's kind of a gassy helicopter?

[brittle salmon]

lmao

seems about right

[upper canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/super-smash-bros-brawl-super-smash-bros-wario-loading-fart-fart-loading-gif-18448217

Tyranid Troop Transport

[floral herald]

I admittedly said "comes close" because I completely missed it having the fly tag at first and thought it just like, schlooped around on the ground after landing

[west zealot]

Re: Terminus Decree - i think as a piece of lore, it's pretty great in a very imperium is not the smartest.

As "This is what's in the open in the darkest of darkest hours" box, i really dislike it

Mainly b ecause of the "Everything is going to hell. the nids areh ere. abaddon is here. Ghazkgull is here. Trazyn is here (Someone stop him making off with the loot, again). Let's crack this open...

...wow. this is fucking useless"

[charred bridge]

Itd be fun if this is a setup for horus heresy 2 where emps waking up has started a civil war between pro status quo vs pro change with new emps

And the "loyalists" to emps are gimped and in total disarray because the power people had in the emps came from him being on the golden throne as an unspeaking god and now the illusion is shattered the only glue holding the imperium's mess of an empire together falls apart

So despite having the emps back, its still even stalemate just like GW likes it

[west zealot]

Terra poofing out of existance and the imperium fragmenting - and one has to assume chaos fragemnting too woluld be pretty interesting as a new status quo.

Like, what does Abaddon even do if Terra just goes... whumpf because the emps stood up

Ol' Goldeyes has bene obsseing about Terra and the Astronomcium so long he got gold eyes!

[charred bridge]

Itd be funny and silly if a purple ork overheard the grey knights plans and they relay to other orks that emps is standing up from the throne and it gets a huge waaagh going from every ork warboss wanting to be the one that fights emps first and the ork psychic reality lube fixed the astronomicon and throne so emps can stand up

Put me back on the throne cause if I get revived by xenos its probably an ork waaagh its not really me coming back but an ork dream of me.

[remote wharf]

I was trying to think up an easy (and free) way to make a mock of my custom dynasty's scheme so I booted up dark crusade.

[pastel rampart]

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[granite basin]

that honestly sounds like a hilarious state of things. the imperium can either be stable or be informed, it cannot have both and rarely does it have either

[charred bridge]

I imagine its so broken it can only be functional broken

Its like if Jesus came back and literally performed undeniably real divine miracles and a lot of people renounced him as like a demon

[granite basin]

i mean, that does sound like smth an imperial citizen would do

[charred bridge]

E: "I come in peace"
GK: Peace? Heresy!

How you know if its a false emps

Instant war is more efficient

[granite basin]

well, "instant" is not really smth most of the imperium does lmao

[hardy harness]

Does Wrath & Glory have any rules for playing as Men of Iron perchance

Cause I kinda wanna try to find a W&G game where I can play as a like, old Man of Iron who's disguised himself as a renegade space marine

[upper canopy]

Non

Also i dont think a man of iron could do that

They arent exactly Man Shaped

[hardy harness]

They're robots, they can be whatever shape they need to be

[granite basin]

bulk em up in places, it can get away with being a weird termie or dreadnought maybe

[charred bridge]

Preemptive war on everyone might be more apt

You might not know me xenos but know we're warring

[mild glen]

Okay, gang. Lookin' at the "New army" bug again. I figure it might be nice to have a more elite choice so I don't have to lug 60 minis to and from the game store. Also thinkin' Xenos because, let's be honest, neither Imperium nor Chaos are particularly compelling to me from a narrative angle.
The only thing 100% off the table is Tyranids. Hit me. What are my choices?

[rocky shale]

Tau could get you under 60 models, maybe votann

[upper bluff]

If you want elite xenos your options are Votann and Tau if you build them right

Just stay away from kroot if you choose tau

Maybe you can have a little kroot as a treat

[rocky shale]

Aeldari have elite options but they're still T3 1W elves so they ever get that expensive

[hardy harness]

Nawwwwwwwwww you should totally field a shitton of kroot hounds

[rocky shale]

Unfortunately not legal

[hardy harness]

Lame and cringe

Anyway, I'm with Turtle on this one

Though I do feel I'm somewhat biased as a massive nerd for both factions

[upper bluff]

Both factions are cool

[rocky shale]

You could maybe do like wraith spam aledari but that's not exactly great right now

[upper bluff]

They both have the massive benefit in 40k of rad tech they know how to make more of

[hardy harness]

Votann have machines but iirc they won't be releasing rules for Ironkin units until... what was it, next monthish I think...?

[upper bluff]

I mean whenever the codex comes out

[rocky shale]

Like 2 weeks

[hardy harness]

Not quite next month but I was close

[rocky shale]

Votann aren't super elite either but they have a lot of vehicles which kinda makes up for it

They're slightly tougher but lower wounds/accuracy compared to space marines

[charred bridge]

Me when I say im a tau fan

[hardy harness]

Personally I say go for t'au, remind your opponent that the "Guh hu, t'au melee bad, updoot to left" memes are only accurate if you manage to get into melee to begin with

[rocky shale]

Okay but tau melee is objectively horrible

Same as world eaters shooting

(except forgefiends)

[upper bluff]

Forgefiends is cheating

[mild glen]

Dang it. Thanks for the stupid right answer I was hoping wasn't the correct answer. (Because I did imply second army, right? My first Army is T'au. These answers boiil down to "Build more elite T'au lists")

[upper bluff]

Oh lol didn't know that

[rocky shale]

I mean by elite what are you after?

Like tanky or just high points per model?

Because Aeldari are offensively elite but still a fast trading army

[upper bluff]

If you're looking for high points per model the only options are Grey Knights and Custodes. Everyone costs too little in 10th

[mild glen]

Because I didn't say it. Intentionally. Because I didn't want to poison the well.

[upper bluff]

Or you can play tank spam guard

[hardy harness]

Good luck fighting a t'au in melee, assuming the person fielding them knows how to play

[upper bluff]

Anyways I'm sure you've heard this before but you should choose your army on vibes first before rules

[hardy harness]

Real and true

[upper bluff]

Even if it's your 2nd or even 3rd

Rules change models are (mostly) forever

[rocky shale]

Liking how an army generally plays is still important if you play a lot of the game

[upper canopy]

I mean Tau can be great in melee when they can just decide to shoot you

[rocky shale]

The general strategy of an army rarely changes too much over time

Custodes don't stop being elite

[upper bluff]

That's also true but I think the design team does a decent job of having visual vibes and gameplay line up most of the time

[mild glen]

An effective army with a relatively small model count and portability. Da Dream (tm) is to be able to maybe fit a single 2k AoS and 2k 40k army in the same carry case..

[hardy harness]

Speaking of, I've been considering Grey Knights as a first army, do y'all recommend looking into something else or are they fine?

[rocky shale]

You're probably looking at like custodes or maybe GK or something unless it's a really big case

[hardy harness]

Only recently began to gain interest in wargaming 40k

[rocky shale]

They really need a rescale, and you need to be able to tolerate the baby carriers

[upper bluff]

Grey Knights kinda have the same problem genestealer cults do where the best time to get into them was a year before their 10th edition codex

Just because the older combat patrol was sooooooooo good

[hardy harness]

What do these terms mean

[upper bluff]

But they're not a bad army at all

[rocky shale]

The 10th codex is fine it's more the fact that they're likely going to get a rescale in the next couple years to make them not the tiny army

[upper bluff]

The size of their models compared to other space marines is kinda wacky

[rocky shale]

The models are old and newer space marines got a rescale and are now physically much taller

And the baby carrier is the nemesis dreadknight

It looks silly and is a core part of the army

[hardy harness]

Oh THAT fucking thing

[upper bluff]

Dread knights are one 3d print away from being cool though so if you have one of those available there are plenty of upgrade kits people have made online

[mild glen]

See personal argument number 1 about how making Primaris Marines a lore thing was a mistake

[rocky shale]

It's very hard for GK to kill vehicles without it

[upper bluff]

If only they had their hammers 😞

Anyways yeah Grey Knights actually play really cool though

[hardy harness]

I'd hope the space wizard astartes would play cool

[rocky shale]

They don't really do magic this edition lol

[upper bluff]

They're armored like crazy but they aren't slow because they teleport all over the field

[rocky shale]

You get psychic weapons and some psychic flavored stuff

[upper bluff]

And yeah no magic, maybe 11th

[rocky shale]

But only thousand Sons get flavorful magic rules

[hardy harness]

Zog

Maybe I'll go for Thousand Sons instead

Get my spellblade fix from them

[upper bluff]

If we're lucky we'll get magic back in 11th styled after AoS 4th magic

Where there isn't a dedicated phase they're just kinda like unit specific stratagems

Thousand sons are cool just don't get tricked into buying Tzangors

[mild glen]

Instructions Unclear; built a 125 model Tzaangor list.

[upper bluff]

Honestly Saal Tsons is almost what you want

The only problem is Magnus

He's tall and might be hard to fit in a box with another army

And he's basically required to not make Tsons ritual magic not feel like a wet paper bag

But other than that they're pretty high costed points wise

[mild glen]

That's fine. I'm allergic to named characters, anyway.

[upper canopy]

Your Dudes Supremacy

[mild glen]

Look, if this fight is important enough that Magnus Is There, it's a book or a movie or a video game, not a 2000 point dust up on the kitchen table where that bag of dorritos is a ruin

[upper bluff]

Ah but you see Belisarius Cawl is hanging with my OC forge world because he thinks they're cool

[mild glen]

Also Allergic To: canon colour schemes... Because Your Dudes Supermacy

[upper bluff]

That's honestly a major issue I have with the god legions. They're so focused on the demon primarchs even the codex feels like they have to bend over backwards to write lore with alt color schemes

[rocky shale]

I thought magnus wasnt as mandatory post-codex?

[upper bluff]

Is he not? I would have to ask my Tsons friend again

I hope he isn't

If that's the case then yeah check out thousand sons Saal

[rocky shale]

He does rituals better but its not like pre-codex when you needed him just to get enough cabal points

[brittle salmon]

the big fotm unit for TSons now are Mutalith Vortex Beasts since they give a + to casting in an aura

[upper bluff]

I mean it's not like TSons have that many units to begin with so as long as it isn't an epic hero I'm fine with there being a must have unit

[sour sequoia]

I have an answer but you’re gonna maybe hate it and hate me

[mild glen]

You're about to say Tyranids, aren't you?

[sour sequoia]

Outlander Claw or Biosanctic Broodsurge GSC can do sub-60 and quite frankly be good.

Or at least, about 60 and fit in a case just fine.

I fit my fuckass 150 model list on 2 trays

[upper bluff]

Lol I never considered that

You have so few vehicles and monsters that you can just fit everything horizontally and not take up much space that way

[thin ibex]

Wait tau melee isn't objectively bad, it's just objectively limited to like one unit. Rampagers. They're pretty good in melee actually

[upper bluff]

Kroot moment

[thin ibex]

Kroot are ok in melee for chaff too I suppose

[upper canopy]

Kroot merc guardsmen right

[thin ibex]

Yeah in melee they'll gobble up most other chaff

As long as they're the ones on the attack

[mild glen]

Honestly? I don't really hate this answer that much. My problem with mainline 'nids is:
1️⃣ Ugly
2️⃣ Narratively Uninteresting
3️⃣ I don't want to play as a hurricane, I want to play as the guy evacuating from the hurricane
4️⃣ Ugly.

GSC subvert all those points. (Except that they worship the hurricane)

[thin ibex]

They tend to also fold like a blanket

[sour sequoia]

I shit you not the tallest models in GSC if you don’t stack guys on top of the Goliaths (you should it looks damn good and who doesn’t love Mike & The Boys in the back of the ford super war)

Is the icon guys. The flags

[upper bluff]

Ouch do you think you could magnetize the flags somehow so you could detach them?

[sour sequoia]

Yeah, they’re just 1-arm connections. Its easy peasy

Your vehicles all hide behind the cargo containers perfectly fine, they’re all rhino sized or smaller

[upper bluff]

That's cool 😎

So yeah Gyrtop is probably right (and the more compact your 40k army is the cooler your AoS army can be)

[sour sequoia]

They’re not exactly gonna be the easiest army to play, and Outlander Claw has a somewhat higher floor than even the rest of GSC but the moment you figure them out you are not just the guy outrunning the hurricane, you’re the guy who’s gonna trap the hurricane inside a box and ship it to timbuktu

Outlander Claw is the best board control and scoring army in the game, like outright

[mild glen]

My current AoS army is 75 skeletons and their houses (two trays)
The second one (still in progress) is a Bunch Of Elves. (Goal spot: About 45-52 models, depending on how you count the endless spells and faction terrain)

[sour sequoia]

Nobody else can sticky every midfield objective at the start of round 1 and then just go and score every secondary every round while doing donuts around the map to moveblock the enemy off objectives

[mild glen]

MMMmmm... I do love dumb board control and movement tricks.

(This may have been suggested by me playing T'au in the first place)

[sour sequoia]

Every GSC army is 50 dirty tricks in a trenchcoat its the least honest warhammer you can play but it loops back to being cool as fuck

And you get to have a bunch of guys on dirtbikes. Your superstar units are just dirtbike revolutionaries and a toyota hilux with a lascannon in the bed

[upper canopy]

Chaos Knights vs GSC was so funny

When you play GSC you are embodying the mindset that every model on your side is a Battleifield Bad Company 2 player

"Every problem will be solved by running a truck into it and C4"

[sour sequoia]

GSC players will dogwalk knights once they understand whats going on its very, very funny I just got a rep into imperial knights tonight - cleanse and sabotage were scored by a knight cerastus cuz nothing else was left

[sour sequoia]

I did check the odds, 4 demo charges and the rest of a flamer squad with a primus for hit rerolls, before literally any detachment buffs (like sustained +no cover in host) or strats is 54% odds to kill a big knight

For the cost of 1 whole command point and 200pts. Explode a Knight Paladin. Then when they kill your 10 guardsmen equivalents to take the point back. Cult Ambush recharges One Shot weapons and you do that shit again

[upper canopy]

The problem they had was I kept eating their guys with scarily cost effective warhounds

This was Crusade

[sour sequoia]

Yeah tons of warhounds is a lot harder to deal with, I think its doable but you need a different list

The more elite you get into GSC the easier day they have, but they fold into fast melee pressure a lot. Some of the biggest nightmares I’ve had are into like… Sisters, Ravenwing Dark Angels, and Emperors Children

[upper canopy]

They also really struggled with leadership

Iirc

[rocky shale]

My crusade master just gave our losing team the ability to select mission and attacker/defender for the entire phase

Armageddon has a ton of wild asymmetric missions

Why yes, person whose team objective is to end the match with units in my deployment zone, I need you to play the mission where you have to try to evacuate units off the board on the other side from my deployment zone

[sour sequoia]

Trying to convince my store to try armageddon, nachmund burned people out a bit

[rocky shale]

Our general consensus is that it has a lot of cool ideas that would be 10x better if they had done any playtesting

The daemons are really fast and it makes them just a T1 road block more than something you can run from.

The hellscapes are really fun though, even if some hellscaoe/mission combos have some rules jank

And some of the asymmetric missions are cool concepts that are super tough for one side to actually win just based on the balance of points for certain objectives.

[west zealot]

"Break his legs!"

[west zealot]

Orks with tears in their eyes at the beauty.

[mental birch]

landraider

Also re tau melee

I have won games off charges in tau

[hallow star]

warhammer stuff in nottingham over at wplace

[undone latch]

Had my game of Fantasy with my bretonnian boy.

We got attacked by beastmen and since I'm a darn fool and an up front fighter I just jumped out of the carriage and yelled "For the Lady!" Before smashing the axe into ones throat and killing them instantly. Very good start.

I like this system cause I feel tanky as someone who built tanky but I still got in trouble a few times, and you can choose to accept an injury or get knocked over or give ground. So when I got surrounded later on I wound up giving ground and being shoved through a door

[upper canopy]

beastmen

raroo

[undone latch]

Yeah there was brayherds in the area

[hallow star]

I just imagined something funny in wplace, the lamenters all across the globe getting fucked over or bothered in any sort of way

[undone latch]

The elf got shoved upstairs and took a moment to net a fucker so the halfling on the team could stab him to death.

It keeps battles moving, you can choose to recover or charge in, let yourself be vulnerable but keep attacking, it makes tanking a choice situation.

[junior robin]

cursed imperial guard idea: armoured train company and an accompanying train yard board.

[tired cairn]

Guardsmen putting down tracks in front of the train like that scene from Wallace and Gromit

[upper canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/wallace-and-gromit-train-tracks-work-swift-fast-gif-3793283

[past sphinx]

Ah man the stormwolf/storm fang doesn't even have legends rules right now 🙁

Rip da brick

[thin ibex]

I feel like this is just an illustration for GMing an rpg

In a curated scenario

[remote wharf]

I think it be neat to see a Khorne Space Marine warband that's more like the Blood Pact, extremely organized and elite rather then just the typical horde of berserkers.

[main pagoda]

you see some of that in the black legion

[pastel rampart]

Yeah.

[floral herald]

Yeah the Hounds of Abaddon are kinda that highly organized and disciplined Khorne warband

They have berserkers and such but their true specialty is naval operations

[main pagoda]

hounds of abbadon are gone now right, wiped out at cadia?

[floral herald]

They’re still around aiui but their old leader is reforming in the warp

Admittedly the hounds of abaddon more or less exist by statute as the warband of Abaddon’s khorne aligned chosen so I wouldn’t be surprised if they took incredible casualties at Cadia

[past sphinx]

Violent maniacs with standards

[pine matrix]

Tzeentchian warband that intervenes to briefly aid Imperial forces so their "allies" get accused of heresy and purged/exiled

[upper canopy]

God

Foxhole makes me want to run Only War again

[main pagoda]

its a fun system in small campaigns

[thin ibex]

spec ops khorne marines

would be cool

[west zealot]

I'm really suprised there's not a Khorne demon who's a weapon smith - just all about the axes, swords, spears and shit, challenge it and win to get yourself a sweet demon weapon (Everyone who looses gets used as fodder for the next weapon forging, good luck)

[paper bluff]

Well... khorne weapon forging is hitting things into shape. Take how angron made his sword

[floral herald]

There are a bunch of khorne daemons who are weapons

Like the swords bloodletters carry are... another bloodletter in sword form iirc

[mild glen]

AoS supremacy here, really

[desert jay]

Khornates 🤝 Tyranids
Sentient sword that thinks about stabbing

(Not that Khornates are the only ones using daemon swords tho)

[remote wharf]

Oh you mean how he beat a slaaneshi demon with a piece of metal until the demon and piece of metal fuse into a sword?

[paper bluff]

Yep

The ferrus method

Well more that ferrus used his necrodermis to forge with

[charred bridge]

Is it confirmed ferrus had necrodermis or is that like a theory

[pastel rampart]

All but confirmed in totality. He drowned a silvery beast in magma and his hands got covered in a 'living metal.'

There's not really anything else that it could be.

[upper bluff]

The silvery beast was probably just some necrodermis monster and not a necrons scarab, right?

Because the scarab would reform into itself and not a sick ass arm

[floral herald]

Asirnoth was probably not a scarab but was probably a necron thing

As a youth, he discovered an "X" mark on the pod that first brought him to this world and that the chamber was too precise to be a natural formation. Exploring further, he discovered runes and electro-conductive stalagmites all around the chamber. His inspections awakened an imprisoned colossal bio-mechanical worm-like creature, which attacked him and escaped, ignoring his attacks. He followed its path of destruction and swore he would destroy the beast he had unwittingly released.

[remote wharf]

Asirnoth, the thing Ferrus killed is also called a Great Silver Wyrm. Wyrm is an archaic word for dragon. What else in 40k is silver, made of living metal, called a dragon, and has a connection to technology.

[upper bluff]

Okay I stand corrected

It's a shame that as of now none of the primarchs have met with necrons directly

[thin ibex]

I still think it's a bit unfortunate that there were 2 "Forge Primarch" characters, but one was actually the "Dying Primarch"

[charred bridge]

Its just confirmed he killed the wyrm by drowning it in magma and it fused to arms

Would i be surprised if for some reason its revisted and they say otherwise. Like its just some dark age of technology grey goo

[upper bluff]

Yeah poor Ferrus Mannus

We hardly knew ye

[charred bridge]

A shame, he seemed like he had a good head on his shoulders

[thin ibex]

Fulgrims last words to him were "Sorry, can't have two smith primarchs, script says so"

[desert jay]

Surely one of the Chaos ones have fought Necrons even if Guilliman and Lion haven't

[remote wharf]

I find in funny both chaos and loyalists have two definitely dead and never ever coming back primarchs.

[candid socket]

if you mean Ferrus Mannus for the loyalists, technically he's already come back multiple times. He just got killed by Fulgrim everytime he did :P

[charred bridge]

Vulkan: Am I dead to you?

[desert jay]

Vulkan and Alpharius are in the "KIA but we're pretty suure they'll be back" zone

[charred bridge]

Khan comes back and hes alpharius

[desert jay]

Ferrus Manus's status is "ressurrection never lasts longer than 5 minutes" like some comics characters are like "death never lasts longer..."

[charred bridge]

Is ferrus known to ressurect, I thought the head thing was a permadeath

[upper canopy]

He's beheaded but also has been cloned like 100 timmes

[thin ibex]

Is the "ferrus ghost leads the legion of the dammed" canon or fanon?

[desert jay]

There was also the Cult of the Gorgon affair

Where a bunch of rogue Iron Hands attached one of Ferrus's hands to a robotic puppet and pretended the primarch was back

[charred bridge]

Is it fulgrim or ferrus that trazen has a clone of in his musuem

[desert jay]

Fulgrim IIRC

[charred bridge]

Damn did they both get cloned

[desert jay]

I think Trazen's Fulgrim is sorta a time clone thing and not a test tube clone thing

[desert jay]

So... there's one scene of Master of Mankind that implies it, but from Aaron Dembski-Bowden's comments the implication was accidental

If you go with the implication, it's that the entire Legion started with the fallen of Isstvan

But ADB was like "no that wasn't supposed to be the LotD"

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/14nboei/ferrus_manus_is_leading_the_legion_of_the_damned/

This thread has the Master of Mankind quote and a lot of ADB comments about it

[grim mango]

someone has used an Image to stl AI software to churn out the new Votann

[tardy vault]

truly, the best summation of warhammer lore

[brittle salmon]

Could you delete this please? We have a no AI rule and even that aside, this is also piracy

[sour sequoia]

Looks like absolute dogshit boss, none of it fits together and you can tell just lookin at it. Don’t post ai slop in here when people have rush sculpted the actual model in the same amount of time

I mean don’t post it at all in general but like this is somehow more pathetic

[vital crag]

@grim mango deleted that for you and am repeating what briar has said, this goes against server rules a couple different ways, don’t do that

[pastel rampart]

He also returned in The Death and the End via time shenanigans Horus did to fuck with Sanguinius. There was the webway thing, as mentioned, but he also showed up as basically a force ghost on Medusa and claimed he'd return at mankind's time of need.

His status is "dead, mostly" and it's rather doubtful that he'd really return but it's not impossible.

In a very like, "technically this can happen" sense any dead primarch can return because GW set it up that way. Curze is dead but we never see the act of his head getting lobbed off and his assassin never made it back to Terra, so there's just enough plausible deniability for GW to squeeze in a return. Maybe he didn't really die and it was someone else. Maybe they took his head back and slapped it on top and it just took a few thousand years for it to fully attach or something, who knows.

Sanguinius died to Horus, but the Blood Angels have his perfectly preserved corpse on Baal and it's never decayed over 10,000 years. That leaves an angle for his spirit to somehow return into that corpse, either because of that whole "psychic echo living in the BA" angle or something to do with the golden angel, or his spirit just sorta wanders back in there after drifting through the warp.

[past sphinx]

the sanguinor is a fragment of bird boy no?

A cruze version would be funny

Curze*

[pastel rampart]

Might be a fragment, might be its own thing.

[crimson solar]

bring back ferrus but only as a head.

a head with different machine bodies.

Amazing screw-on ferrus

[grim mango]

Ahh apologies! I didn't realize there was a no AI policy or that that would trigger it! I just saw the picture online and wanted to have a discussion on the ethics of it! cause yeah I agree with @sour sequoia it is slop and people could and have done so much better in the same amount of time! its just worrying that this kind of stuff could be seen everywhere now

[main pagoda]

in regards to sangy his soul is basically trapped on the vengeful spirt

[past sphinx]

THE GLORIOUS 8TH

[floral herald]

Maybe I’m getting whooshed but is that a new Nightbringer?

[past sphinx]

Looks like new raptors

(and also a new nightbringer to)

[floral herald]

Yo what the FUCK

Nightbringer Kill Team?????

[past sphinx]

they are just throwing fuckin anything in killteam now lmao

[grim mango]

wait NEW NIGHTBRINGER?!?

[floral herald]

Yeah the teams gonna get fucking killed lol

[past sphinx]

just drop god on those 5 to 9 random dudes over there thatll sort it out

[floral herald]

I can’t believe they made Mountainside Tabletop’s silly “Angron in Kill Team” mode real

[floral herald]

I’m so stoked for new raptors and raptors kill team

Ough it’s leak oclock

Both teams look fucking sick

[tired cairn]

Is this suggesting a 3-faction box? That's surprising

[floral herald]

My guess is that the box has Nightbringer as a big NPO centerpiece

[tired cairn]

I wonder if the night bringer is a kill team or an NPO

Haha, yeah

[floral herald]

Kinda like the big ass statue in the last box

[tired cairn]

Seems like a very high threat level to face for a kill team lol

[floral herald]

I don’t have good enough Spanish to parse the rules fully but I think it’s like a neutral boss hazard?

[tired cairn]

That would make sense. Or the mission involves being careful not to wake it up

[floral herald]

25 wounds and all those rules seem to make it impossible to kill

I think it just respawns if killed

[tired cairn]

Sadly the light bar messes the Google lens translate thing a bit. But it appears to do that. Which is hilarious because killing it in the first place seems pretty hard

[floral herald]

Yeah 25 wounds and a 4+ which ignores piercing 1 is pretty hard

It’s not impossible

It’s only a little harder than a Ravener or Patriarch

But how badly do you want to expose a melta gun vs a guy who just comes back?

[tired cairn]

It has some activation/deactivation rule going on

[floral herald]

I think it has multiple turns?

Kinda like the Patriarch

[deft crest]

oh god please not again

No

I don't want to go back to elites

please

that ruined 2018

[floral herald]

He’s an NPO

[deft crest]

OH THANK GOD

Sorry i just kneejerk replied i shoulda scrolled

[floral herald]

Either for the box’s PVE campaign or a special “don’t get Nightbringer’d while fighting in KT” mission or both

[deft crest]

My biggest fear is the backslide to how 2018 spiraled to its end

Commanders was OK but introduced 20 model teams

[past sphinx]

count down until nightlords codex starts NOW

[deft crest]

and then elites came out and fucking bombed the already irritated ground

[floral herald]

Nightlords tying LotD for most chaos kill teams is hella funny

They’ve got 2 now!

[deft crest]

Oh yeah, Thats hot. Both these teams are good

Glad we are getting a third flying team

or well

2nd deepstrike team i guess

[floral herald]

I think it’s mildly ironic they’re coming out on the new ITD style board

But I like it

[deft crest]

I

I hope its not a pain to set up

They can bare to make it slightly easier

[floral herald]

From what little I’ve seen of it it looks easier to assemble than the old ITD

Admittedly, this is a very low bar

[deft crest]

Its great for the amount of variation possible

and the box ITD came with fits my killteam stuff and the terrain

SO satisfyingly well

but yeah the new terrain just needs to make sure its good enough

At the same time

I REALLY think they better give Volkus some more maps to use because elevation for me in a skirmish is KING

[floral herald]

Have big glaives always been a NL thing?

Both kill teams have em but I’m not sure

[west zealot]

Honestly, given shards can be any size, you could kinda sorta maybe justify a really small nightbringer shard in kill team

[floral herald]

I’m not actually that familiar with them beyond them being the Scary CSM and also the Damp Cat CSM

[past sphinx]

chainglaives are a thing for us yeah

lets us stay farther away so we can run away easier

[south axle]

Chainglaives have been a NL thing for at least like 10 years I'd say

[floral herald]

Makes sense

[thin ibex]

You know all this time I didn't know the BA had Sang's corpse

Would it have been bad if the nids had won and consumed sang?

[floral herald]

Probably not a huge deal?

I don’t know if the primarchs are biological enough to be interesting to the Tyranids

Major blow to the BA spiritually ofc

[deft crest]

I think it'd be just as much of a blow as losing a Custode to the nids

Not moral levels sorry

i meant biologically interesting

[tired cairn]

Grey Knights have a stratagem called "Giants of the Battlefield" despite still being smol marines

[sonic hare]

oh my god they finally update the model and it's in a giant kill team box???

[floral herald]

They’ll release it as a solo box in a bit

But yeah initially it’s a kill team box lol

[sour sequoia]

Honestly the most exciting thing to me is I can now fully put the old one on the shelf and make him a display model

Finish painting all the lil stars in his cloak and varnish it up

[sonic hare]

I certainly hope so

I have concerns because of what they did to the skorpekh lord

[floral herald]

What do you mean?

For KT boxes there’s been a fair amount of “40K crossover” teams (wreckas, scouts, inquisition, etc) and they’ve all gotten KT and bighammer boxes

We haven’t gotten a new release NPO before but I imagine it will be similar

[deft crest]

Isn't it like, 8 month delay for it or am I overblowing that number

I remember people being really annoyed by how seperate the releases were

[floral herald]

It has been but that was Nightmare which was unusually long

Usually it’s like 3 months iirc

[deft crest]

Gotcha

[sonic hare]

well I can probably wait 8 months at the speed I'm painting these crons lmao

[sonic hare]

it was in indomitus then re-released only as part of the comically expensive (at least here) Royal Court box and now you can only find it on ebay

[thin ibex]

Usually the crossover units are less complex than their kt selves, but it works out

[floral herald]

Ahh, the starter set special

I think something similar happened with Obliterators and the Venomthrope for CSM

[past sphinx]

AND YOU CANT RUN OBLITERATORS IN 4's!

[tired cairn]

Starter sets are weird because of how they combine the models on sprues. I don't think they do this for kill team, or even other combo boxes?

[thin ibex]

obliterators are still considered good right?

[tepid stratus]

Very

[floral herald]

They’re solid

That’s admittedly much of the CSM roster we’re a pretty healthy faction for internal balance

[sour sequoia]

I feel like I dont see chosen or warp talons that much but they’re both still good

[paper bluff]

Finally!

[floral herald]

Hell yeah

[floral herald]

Wait where is that from I don’t see it on warcom?

[paper bluff]

I got it from the necrons discord

[floral herald]

Ahhh

Oh wow this leaked early huh

Makes sense

The box before it (necrons vs deathwatch) hasn’t even launched

[upper bluff]

I'm a huge fan of this actually. Using kill team to update models that would have to wait for new editions is really cool actually

[floral herald]

Yeah the back door model update pipeline is cool

And the KTs we’ve gotten out of it kick ass

[soft willow]

I also like this because every time there's an Imperial KillTeam update there's the chance Imperial Agents get an interesting new tool that won't solve their problems but will be fun.

[upper bluff]

The prior updates from kill team were always just going to be units of dudes but the NPO stuff means that we can get bigger models tol

[paper bluff]

Necrons still had a few finecast stuff and it sucked

Sucks also

Trayzn is still finecast

[thin ibex]

You know it's funny, this is a mild Tangent, but i feel like the tau aren't really strong right now but they are well balanced internally for the most part

They're just not playing well into the broad competitive meta

[pale narwhal]

Tau are very well internally balanced

Almost everything has a place, I think the exceptions right now are strike teams and the aircraft? But they’re still usable, arguably, just not great

[sour sequoia]

God a box of these things is like a full hobby day

Two different multipart sets of fingies per terminator.

[sonic hare]

what are these?

pauldron carcinization...

[sour sequoia]

Saturnine Terminators outta the new horus heresy box

There’s also a Saturnine Dreadnought who sits on a goddamn 100mm

Dread the size of a Keeper of Secrets

[upper bluff]

Brother we're sorry about your near death but you will continue to serve in this house sized mega robot

[sour sequoia]

Throwin myself into harms way over and over for a chance to drunk drive this mf

[upper bluff]

You died tragically in a drunk driving accident but your service is not over yet

[thin ibex]

ill be honest, the big pauldrons feel like a distillation of power armor on a comedic level

like bigger and bigger shoulders

[upper bluff]

That's why it's peak 🥺

[pale narwhal]

I’d be tempted by the saturnine box if there wasn’t also forty mk2 marines in there

I’ve got twenty mk6 marines on foot already

[upper bluff]

It's so weird to make a starter box for Horus Heresy

Especially when there is only one mega death robot

It's kind of hard to split the box with someone else that way

[floral herald]

You vs the shard the king says not to worry about

[humble plover]

I wonder if this means they're gonna make a new model for bananaman too ? 🤔

[pastel rampart]

One would hope.

[charred bridge]

The worst news a white scar could hear, "you gotta be in a slow terminator"

[past sphinx]

gawd damn

[thin ibex]

Wait is this actually the new model coming or is that fan custom?

[past sphinx]

new

[mild glen]

kill team leaks in Spanish
entire FLGS pings me to translate for them
My Spanish isn't this good, fam.

[humble plover]

its from a leaked kill team box of all things

[thin ibex]

kill team "Nightbringer + scarabs"

terrifying

1 man kill team

[humble plover]

its an NPO in the Sisters of Battle v Nightlords box thats coming out next after tomb world (probably)

which is imo one of the most random places they could have dropped it lol

[hard whale]

It's like Spelunky. Get in the Necron tomb, blow stuff up and loot the place before the big scary ghost shows up

[humble plover]

oh wait apparently GW has responded to this by officially confirming it

or at least the Nightbringer

[hard whale]

Yeah, they posted the Nightie on Insta. Haven't confirmed the witchhunters or the havocs yet

[uneven ember]

it shouldn't be a point in GW's favor that they respond to leaks by confirming stuff rather than hiring the Pinkertons
and yet

[desert jay]

Not hiring the Pinkertons is neutral I think

But immediately confirming leaks instead of stringing things out for a few weeks is notable

And I assume they were able to push a Nightbringer vid out the door but the Celestines and Raptors reveal is just not ready

[thin ibex]

No one gets bonus points for not hiring Pinkertons, that's normal

That's the starting line

[desert jay]

Yeah

[desert jay]

Oh wait, just not dropping it all in literally one day, legit

And tomorrow, we’ll be looking at two new Kill Teams, which will be arriving around the same time as the Nightbringer.

[paper bluff]

Iirc the telemon is also on a 100mm

[jaunty dawn]

Pretty excited for celestian team

Though a little sad at lack of gun nuns

I like shield nun and crossbow pistol is pretty cool

Also power claymore is pretty awesome

[paper bluff]

You can also kinda think that in universe that the telemon is a greater refinement of the Saturnine tech

[main pagoda]

if they suspect the leak to be internal they will track it down, they are pretty standard in just firing anyone who leaks w/e it is

[tired cairn]

"around the same time" is an interesting phrasing as it very slightly implies it isn't boxed with the kill teams as has been speculated

[tall depot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNRyG2FUJfw

[thin ibex]

How are people feeling about the new Grey Knights?

[jaunty dawn]

Two layer kill zones for shadowhunt!!!

volkus on the surface and necron underground

[floral herald]

Wgat

Oh this is neat

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/zrjpzrms/adepta-sororitas-battle-chaos-space-marines-over-a-long-forgotten-tomb-in-kill-team-shadowhunt/

[deft crest]

Thats a new map layout

Looks good

(The volkus one i mean)

[main pagoda]

NL players been eating good in KT

[deft crest]

OHHH I didn't realize

Its dual later play

Hmm

-# Do I get 2 Tunnels for Raveners?

AHHH thats right though

We gotta wait past the new Deathwatch and Necrons +whatever is inbetween before we get the shadowhunt

[floral herald]

Huh that’ll be strange yeah

[deft crest]

The box they came with did have 2 sets of tunnel markers 0~4

So MAYBE?

That'd make them SUPER strong on that map if thats the case.

But, These are probably not going to be a serious form of play either so like, big strong (at kitchen table games)

[tranquil ivy]

stumbled across a little someone in one of my local game stores

[vital barn]

huh, I did not know he had a model

[main pagoda]

oh nice

[main pagoda]

he was released with rhan

who despite get produced in batches of 1000 is perma out of stock

[tired cairn]

Oh, the raptor/warp talon kill team is not Nightlords

I'm also curious as to how the sprues work as it looks like there is a single warp talon operative and also a chaos lord

[floral herald]

Yeah surprised me haha

[tired cairn]

A chaos lord seems a bit big for a kill team?

[floral herald]

They just use NL base paint

[floral herald]

My guess is it’s an update to the older Raptors/WT box

[tired cairn]

Oh, nvm the curse claw is not the warp talon

[floral herald]

5 guys with options for either (and specialists?) and Señor Del Caos to round out to 6

[tired cairn]

What is the difference between a raptor and warp talon?

Is it just "one uses power claws"?

[floral herald]

Yeah

From the era when GW made as many build 2 ways kits as possible

They also have different heads and jump pack greebles

As for size he’ll probably be like the space marine captain or close to it

Prolly -1 wound and +something movement

My guess is 6” move but team rule is a special Boost action which lets them fly their speed on top of the normal reposition and dash

[tired cairn]

Are captains and chaos lords about the same level in-universe wise?

[floral herald]

(Which would be fucked up if true - 20” melee threat range)

[floral herald]

Yeah

[tired cairn]

Kind of weird they are on a kill team. I guess it's Star Trek away team rules

[floral herald]

Gotta have the gachapon captain

[floral herald]

Ok I’m probably wrong

But this sounds better anyway

[floral herald]

I wonder if you could make this 2v2 with 2 full sized boards…

[vital barn]

I will be honest I become 300% more grognard whenever I see GW naming new 40k units

what happened to "Raptor Chaos Lord" or similar

[floral herald]

Chaos space marines get a pass I need my Coldsteels

[vital barn]

I am comfortably ensconced in 30k where if I need a centurion who is a terminator he's called a terminator centurion, honestly

my coldsteel the hedgehogs are in the Militia and Cults allied det, who are huge tryhards

3e militia rules should be this month

[floral herald]

I do think it’s funny how they’re a Murderwing with a bunch of nonsense operative names (Depredator lmao) “held in check” by a Chaos Lord

Who’s just a Rebox of the “chaos lord with jump pack” kit

[floral herald]

What sorts of names do they get?

[vital barn]

the 3e rules for them are due in the next couple of weeks, so no official ones yet, but currently they're using Solar Auxilia rules to run their many lasgun chumps, and they have one grandiose name per SM legion

[rocky shale]

Leonardo Depredator

[vital barn]

it's more "roman statue avatar" than "coldsteel the hedgehog" but still

[floral herald]

Yeah those count for GW names for sure

They’re good ones

[vital barn]

Sparatoi Vindicta are the AL auxiliaries and they have a fun button that lets you make the enemy waste their AT shots on your infantry chumps, so I'm mostly going for those and screening my mechanicum beep books

alas they cannot cover my Sons of Horus because they can only work with their own Space Marine legions, although you can tape them to any non-legion army

[floral herald]

Archite Palatines are EC aligned right?

[vital barn]

yeah

their thing is that they get to shuffle everyone within 12" around when they pass leadership checks

so your entire army of infantry can run up the board as long as nobody starts shooting phosphex at them to make them almost auto-rout

[floral herald]

Apparently this is from the new codex? Maybe divisive lore but I like the GK so much

[tired cairn]

I wonder if they also have dumb, wasteful initiation rituals and this wouldn't be a problem if they just stopped doing those

[past sphinx]

almost definitely

[floral herald]

They probably do since they have a whole complex about purity

[thin ibex]

saw this on a 40k server, thought this might interest a few of you tts gamers

https://warhammer-ability-reference.streamlit.app

it generates a html reference page with all your abilities and stratagems divided by phase

so that you can have it open on the side or somethign

[uneven ember]

I mean, in questionable fairness, these are the guys with the most reason to be constantly hung up about impurity

[uneven ember]

but yeah I dig this, I always support lore that gives Imperials reasons to kill each other

[paper bluff]

The Grey knights have been stealing all of the black Templars psycher recruits! Jk jk

The GKs have also was been victims of rough writing

[floral herald]

That’s… actually super plausible haha

Since the IFs do largely centralized recruiting it’d be a great spot for a pipeline

every so often they let a grey knight show up anonymously to the feast of blades

[thin ibex]

1 this is pretty cool, but 2. man I thought you were saying that they were giving Shadowsun a rules refresh that included like a 2 layer kill zone and I let myself get excited about it before rereading

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408452338622267401/1405940870326259782/1755048862667622.png?ex=68a0a7f8&is=689f5678&hm=08efb86e0eb53ac4e1d40f6fca7f2ab96244ed135193bf576a575ff1450cbf4d&

[past sphinx]

remember kids if youre in a fair fight your tactics suck

[runic swallow]

Doesn’t look like enough of a wet rat, incorrect

[past sphinx]

personally i think curze is more a turbo depressed black metal fan rather than emo

WAIT

BEHOLD THE GLORIOUS PRIMARCH

[main pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/the-it-crowd-an-ill-wind-is-blowing-richmond-avenal-noel-fielding-gif-16501251

[charred bridge]

The funny thing is Curze probably would hate night lords fans

[charred bridge]

White Scars equivalent: If youre having issues, have you considered going faster?

[runic swallow]

Enemies
Debt Collectors
Bad Thoughts if your quick

[paper bluff]

He really would. Cruze/nighthaunter tries to be a "noble" monster. The worst of the worst to have you do better

Maybe... punisher cranked to 20

[past sphinx]

Batman but turbo evil

[paper bluff]

Ish

[charred bridge]

Punisher would be more apt

Punisher if he killed so much the entire planet was scared straight

[charred bridge]

He also believes you gain order through fear, and having someone adore you means they're not afraid of you enough

He was pretty much right in the end, imperium runs on like 40% fear, 40% numerous guardsmen, and 40% tec

[paper bluff]

There are nightlords that believe in the "scared straight" tactics but many many more are in it for the love of the game

[charred bridge]

Didnt Curze hate them for that

[runic swallow]

Yeah he ended up despising the night lords

Basically as an extension of hating himself and for similar reasons

[charred bridge]

OG nightlords shared his beliefs, later ones just wanted to be terrible

[tepid stratus]

Yeah the Terran born NLs understood his reasoning. The later recruits where the very criminal nostramans he oppressed with fear

[charred bridge]

Lorgar and Curze in the end got what they wanted

[pulsar cairn]

He 100% would he would be like "why would you like them? These guys suck!" He hated his own legion after all lmao

[main pagoda]

yeah basically within a generation or two of kurze leaving nostramo it revered back to being a crime ridden place

[tranquil ivy]

:D

[paper bluff]

The early nostromo-ans got his reasoning

The painted count resented him for it though

[west zealot]

Musings inspired by the 40k lore subreddit and someone asking why there aren't more imperial saints (ala Celestine)

Emps is becoming a order God, not a chaos god. This is why "none may match my will". But as a result, he's not splitting himself in the same way chaos gods are with their daemons - he's a high pressure water cutter to their horizon filling fires

Saints are more empowered mortal champions ala chaos champions under this theory, and it's why there's less of them - emps can't split his focus or power in the same way. (This would also in theory fit with the fact that emps cut chunks of his personality off in the end and the death to avoid going all The Dark King)

[charred bridge]

Itd make sense

Cawl mentions with fabius bile that no one chooses to become a god, they either were one or others make that choice for him

As for why Fabius would never usurp the Emperor, you cant make yourself a god you will always fail once you get close. And also implies emps is a god literal even though he had negative intent of doing sg

Imperium at this point has so much psychic juice for one entity

And with more psykers popping up means more people more strongly powering the emps

[past sphinx]

I'm still entirely baffled by Celestine compared to all the other saints

[upper canopy]

Why so

[floral herald]

oooh, leaked word bearer possessed raptor

Not a new model but I dig the paint

[reef pagoda]

my friends... next i think i will look for a beastflayer or goremayne

[jaunty dawn]

I think while theres obviously a lot less imperial saints than daemons the whole trademarked, modelled character bias hides how many there are

Like even if celestine is unique to some extent for her range or whatever her primary purpose is to be an example of the type of character that exists in the world

Unlike ephrael stern where her deal is to be unique celestine is just like hey this is one of the imperial saints, go make your own

And even in 2e it was a different lady

[tepid stratus]

In spear of faith there's multiple saints

They even get jobbed out

In fairness the antagonist is named "The Death of Saints"

[past sphinx]

shes not a psychotic for one, like people say that shes just got some serious faith powers going on but the whole religion is about turbomurder

[paper bluff]

Fabius genuinely doesn't want his mutant spawn to worship him and he's uncomfortable with it

[charred bridge]

I think the point is cawl was pointing out how long hes lived and how many people hes seen want to be like emps but theyre so much lesser than the emps in both power and plan

Or believe they can do better than his original plan which cawl knows

[upper canopy]

https://bsky.app/profile/eliphusz.bsky.social/post/3lwkft7aqr22x

Eliphus (@eliphusz.bsky.social)

it never occured to me how weirdly funny and cute the Canoness icon in DoW is.
Just a tiny annoyed face peeking out from a massive wall of armor

Bluesky · Aug 16, 2025, 10:22 PM

[west zealot]

She finds your lack of faith... Disturbing

(also: Flammable)

[paper bluff]

I have long found sisters of battle cute. I'm glad people are catching up

[pulsar cairn]

Is Ahriman all deformed under that armor?

Asking cause the other champions seem to be somewhat mutaded

Except maybe Kharn?

[floral herald]

No he’s Totally Normal

[pulsar cairn]

Interesting but weird for a chaos character i feel like

[floral herald]

No what I’m saying is that Ahriman believed himself unchanged but his actual appearance is mutable and shifting and no one knows what he really looks like

It’s been described as a “screaming void” for a face by Khayon but this is apparently a subjective or illusory appearance

And there is no solid truth at all of Ahriman’s present true form

[past sphinx]

Dudes been fucked since thr heresy

[runic swallow]

It’s funny how he and Fabius are kinda the biggest “I’m not owned! I’m not owned!” guys of the CSM

“Nah bro I’m totally independent and in control of my own destiny, no greater powers have any hold on me”

[sour sequoia]

That XKCD train comic with Abaddon, Perturabo, Fabius, Alpha Legion, Ahriman

[raw vessel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1161696278640594954/1257430978679537695/image.png?ex=68a2e29b&is=68a1911b&hm=a6fda959d4697d0ff9162061185b51355826705a52efe1fcd0916238d16d05ff&

This one?

[upper bluff]

Oh my god thank you

I've been looking for that for forever lol

[remote wharf]

Kinda shocked the Chaos Lord in termie armor is from 4th, looks good for it's age.

[jaunty dawn]

Its a great kit

[paper bluff]

Unless a sister of silence saw him i suppose. Likely it would be a tired looking husk of a shape of a man

[paper bluff]

I honestly bet that if fabius bile had any sense of humor Cegorach probably would have sponsored him by now

[floral herald]

I’m paraphrasing the writers there actually - the truth of Ahriman’s form is apparently just an explicit unknown kinda like the lost legions

[paper bluff]

On the word of ariman, can there be new thousand sons?

Yes yes I already know about the blood ravens thing

I mean knowingly implanting thousand son gene seed into a psyker child

[floral herald]

I think they can do that yeah

I think you can actually make new Rubricae by making non-psyker space marines with their geneseed and they just like, spontaneously turn to ash or smth

[paper bluff]

Tzeech would laugh and warp the armor to be like the other rubricae

[floral herald]

Yeah probably

[paper bluff]

It is also absolutely something ariman would have tried

[remote wharf]

Apparently they can make a new Rubric Marines from long dead Thousand Sons.

[desert jay]

Yeah IIRC this canonically happened when they tried making new non-Rubrics

And Tzeentch went "hah, nope"

[mild glen]

Y'all, I sent Opp's Land Raider to the junkyard turn 1 today.
I think I have become chronically unable to take Land Raiders seriously.

[charred bridge]

It's funny cause you fight Thousand Sons in SM2 and mowing through like 200 during the campaign

So much glitter everywhere

And like a couple dozen sorcerers

Those guys don't come back

[paper bluff]

I thought they did.

[still warren]

the sorcerers? I don't think so, can't just sweep up the dust and pour them back into a new suit

[paper bluff]

Oh, the sorcerers I know, don't come back. I was thinking that the rubriquet, just sort of clang back together eventually

[sour sequoia]

What’d you hit it with lmao

[mild glen]

One (1) Sky Ray and One (1) Hammerhead

The Sky Ray did most of the work.

IE: Got it down to seven wounds so that the d6+6 damage roll from the Hammerhead did not matter.

[sour sequoia]

Ooooh that’ll do it, I’m just shocked somebody let you line that up

[sour sequoia]

Looking at this and realizing anything above minimum damage gibs every vehicle in GSC lmaoooooo
“Yeah you could say I’m pretty tough”

scout sentinel on a bloodthirster base

[charred bridge]

Yea I meant only the sorcerers

[mild glen]

"Let" is a strong word.

[remote wharf]

GAH! Horus Heresy has so many cool legion specific Praetors and units it makes me want to list build them all.

[pulsar cairn]

https://youtube.com/shorts/S2UDO78a_qQ?si=vE3D4X-rti2VG5ts

I like Cawl

[past sphinx]

sorry cawl but you cant facts and logic your way out of 10000 years of dogma

[charred bridge]

He sort of did

Also because like 80% of the magos were in cawl's pocket one way or another so they sided with him iirc

[past sphinx]

thats why hes an Arch heretek

may the omnissian rid us of his corrupted data

[pulsar cairn]

I think that makes him hilarious

[remote wharf]

Cawl can have a little technoheresy, as a treat.

[charred bridge]

Only bordering but not officially

[uneven ember]

https://bsky.app/profile/garius.bsky.social/post/3lwjmh4rhgs26

John Bull (@garius.bsky.social)

This is the most dangerous shade your brush water can be.

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[paper bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/coffee-smile-dale-cooper-a-damn-fine-cup-of-coffee-special-agent-twin-peaks-gif-4249606903939765865

[cinder wraith]

terraining it

[uneven ember]

oh sick

[pastel rampart]

Loved that terrain kit and it's a shame GW doesn't produce it anymore.

[pastel rampart]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/9fkzbnbc/reinforce-your-shelves-classic-emperors-children-aeldari-and-space-wolves-are-going-made-to-order/

[pulsar cairn]

Aeldari armor is pretty cool

Btw, are Drukhari okay with you going out to be a corsair? I heard corsairs often go to the drukhari city for contracts

[upper canopy]

Relatively okay with it

[sour sequoia]

Two GTs on back to back weekends lets boogie

Gonna fry my brain like bacon playing six rounds of chessclock swarm GSC

[charred bridge]

So for someone who doesnt know the wargame at all, whats the most of any single minis could you field

[upper canopy]

You can field a max of 3 chaff units

so stuff like Gnoblars, Hormagaunts, stuff like that

I think it'd be something with easy resurrection

like Hormagaunts or Guardsmen

[soft willow]

Kriegsmen are battleline and you can get like 60 of them.

Guard can put a lot of really fragile guy with a gun on the table if they really set themselves to it.

Gaunts can also flood pretty well.

Pox Walkers in Death Guard you can get a fair number of too.

[tepid stratus]

Chaos cultists are peak chaff IMO

25 models with an HQ of just goobers with a 5++ that might spike some lucky lethals

[rocky shale]

Anything that's battleline with 20 man squads is going to get you the big silly numbers

[desert jay]

If you take "most of any single mini" literally the answer is hands-down Guard

Because you can passably use the same mini in battleline squads and command squads and other infantry squads

Even if you need to keep like the Sgts and LTs and heavy weapon guys distinct

[rocky shale]

120 gargoyle might take the cake for most miserable swarm list possible

They're probably the largest models for how cheap they are because of their wings

This list is also over 200 models

[bright dove]

swarmswarmswarmswarmswarm

[floral herald]

I think it might be GSC

• Neophyte Hybrids 20x6 (120)
• Neophyte Hybrids with autopistols (6x10) (60)
• Neophyte Hybrids with hand flamers: (6x10) (60)
  240 of the same models

Since they come with 3 datasheets

[rocky shale]

Yeah I think that has to be the winner

[bright dove]

As yes, the good ole "Please kill some of these for me"

[floral herald]

This is genestealer cults neophytes are a renewable resource

[rocky shale]

The gargoyles is a suffering maximizing list

Because you get surge moves from your detachment, then have a move shoot move ability, so you just spend all game moving this top heavy models in groups of 20

[floral herald]

Augh

[bright dove]

I think I'd rather the cult then

[tired cairn]

It is such a silly detachment ability for a horde army (I think it should have gone on the monster one >.>)

[charred bridge]

The ideal I really like painting one guy army

[pulsar cairn]

Uhhh

It seems Ogryns are a lot nicer than fantasy Ogres

[runic swallow]

Yeah

[desert jay]

Technically the latter two units are Acolyte Hybrids and the GW models do look genestealer-ier than Neophytes

[floral herald]

oh, huh

[desert jay]

So I think it's similar to if you had eg. a Krieg army list and used some Krieg models for Cadian Shock Troops, which I still think is legit if you give em proper gear and paint them distinctive

[remote wharf]

I was looking at blood angels Heresy stuff and wow the dawnbreakers heads are perfect for the "Blood Angels but Knights" my custom chapter has going on.

[paper bluff]

HH has some great helm upgrades

[bright dove]

Ogors are hongry lads

[remote wharf]

Sadly they don't sell the second set anymore.

[pastel rampart]

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Dragon Cobolt (@dragoncobolt.bsky.social)

UHhhhhh super sentai eldar aspect warrior show BOOM

Bluesky · Aug 19, 2025, 3:25 AM

[pine matrix]

You could even have a green ranger (incubi) become a white ranger (aspect warrior)

[remote wharf]

Red Ranger: Warp Spider. Blue: Dire Avenger. Black: Dark Reaper Green: Striking Scorpion. White: Howling Banshee. Dark Ranger: Incubi -> Shadow Ranger: Shadow Spectre.

Orange: Fire Dragon. SIlver: Shining Spear. Aqua: Swooping Hawk.

[thin ibex]

Super sentai aeldari is just the phoenix lords

[rocky shale]

Dawn of war 4 promotional art just leaked with blood Ravens, admech and necrons

And orks I think

[upper canopy]

👁️

post it

[junior robin]

finally, the emperors Hellgrammites primaris Lieutenant

[rocky shale]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/s/X4rdPeNIIR

[tired cairn]

From Reddit:

The good news is they still got 39,997 attempts at a Dawn of War game to get it right

Oh sick, AdMech

[floral herald]

necrons
orks
admech
blood ravens

ITS ALL THIEVES

[soft willow]

Warhammer 40,000 - Dawn of Yoink

[junior robin]

in the grim darkness of the far future, there are only heists

[soft willow]

Honestly should be the tag line for the Black Library, given that every time it shows up in the fiction someone new has snuck in and stolen something from it.

[tired cairn]

I love this meme list: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65VRdFC8RiA&t=253s

Tl;dw ||it is a Knight detachment with no Knights||

[runic swallow]

||Are we counting the lil guys as knights or no?||

[tired cairn]

Yes ||absolutely no knight codex units||

[runic swallow]

Oh my god

[tardy vault]

||Yes the Knightless Knight is good, but what about the Uma Musume list?||

[tired cairn]

I'm still watching the episode 😅

[tardy vault]

oh shit

sorry

[tired cairn]

It's fine. I only spoiled the one I did because I think they did a great job with the setup to the punchline

[tired cairn]

lmao, this is a wild set of associations being made here

[tardy vault]

Brainrot takes us to the strangest of places

[tardy vault]

tbf, they do show their hand in the thumbnail

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408452338622267401/1407404682766454855/image.webp?ex=68a5fb40&is=68a4a9c0&hm=ef07dbd74071654a8a5ee87468b7f96bf0ac096ff93d6f89eab44bab3accb7fe&

[pulsar cairn]

Which archetye do they run you think?

[soft willow]

How to play Knights after the points nerf.

Also probably one of the few lists that is legal in multiple factions.

[sour sequoia]

Got me really tempted to put all the phoenix lords as basing gore on that new nightbringer

[tired cairn]

I guess two is more than usual, ha

[rocky shale]

Brood brothers could (and maybe still can) do a no genestealer gsc list

[tired cairn]

Huh, how do they pull that off?

[still warren]

Please be good this time

[tired cairn]

1 and 2 were good in their own ways. I know some people liked 3 but also agree it was pretty far away from what people were wanting or expecting

[tardy vault]

If they bring Last Stand mode back 10/10 no notes

[rocky shale]

Take guard, up to cap, your army contains only imperium units so you can ally agents and knights

[pulsar cairn]

New one?

[tired cairn]

Huh, I didn't realize it was worded that way. That's funny

[rocky shale]

Idk if it even still works

But it did at one point

[pine matrix]

Dawn of War 4 confirmed at Games com

[tired cairn]

Steam page exists: https://store.steampowered.com/app/2272360/Warhammer_40000_Dawn_of_War_IV/

Steam

Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War IV

Take charge of four unique Warhammer 40,000 factions: the Space Marines, Orks, Necrons, and the Adeptus Mechanicus in their Dawn of War debut. Each faction grants you total control of a unique collection of Commanders, units, buildings and gameplay mechanics that dramatically alter the feel and flow of Warhammer 40,000’s endless, brutal warfare…

Release Date

Coming soon

▶ Play video

Ok, the Blood Ravens are there for revenge, the Necrons presumably were napping there, and the Ad Mech are presumably there to loot from and annoy the Necrons. And then there are the orcs. Who I assume are just there for a good time.

[tardy vault]

...plus a return of Dawn of War 2's beloved Last Stand mode - effectively a horde-based survival challenge where you hold out against waves of enemies.

https://www.eurogamer.net/warhammer-40k-dawn-of-war-4-announced-and-its-coming-from-a-surprise-new-developer-next-year

y'all I'm all in

[bright dove]

No, it's all thieving factions. 😛

[tired cairn]

Blood Ravens are there for revenge: getting back the item they rightfully stole first

Last Stand was pretty fun even if I was rubbish at it. I hope the progression is more generous though

Amongst all this there's also one new, genuinely interesting addition, in something KING Art calls the "combat director". This is essentially an animation system that's been created by the studio, whereby every single unit will lock onto an enemy unit when in melee, for properly synched-up fighting animations - so rather than units swinging at the air as is the norm for an RTS, instead each one is directly fighting with another in a properly choreographed way.

That's a neat bit of tech to put into an RTS

[upper canopy]

Used to be in total war

[tired cairn]

"used to be"? Did they take it out?

[upper canopy]

Yeah

[floral herald]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-lets-goo-lest-gooooooooooooooooo-gif-19416648

[tired cairn]

Huh, weird. Was it for performance reasons or something?

[tired cairn]

I love that they took the iStock watermarked version to animate

[floral herald]

It adds character

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFDk8YmUHyM

[desert jay]

You used to but now they say your warlord must be a GSC unit, and bringing one GSC unit means no knights/agents

[vital barn]

while I was never that into Dawn of War, I do appreciate the one second shot in there of a tech-priest axing a guy and then crushing the one behind him with his servo-arm

very stylish

[tired cairn]

It was funny to me that the main admech shot had them doing so well in melee lol

[vital barn]

they are not devoid of choppy

there's a great bit in a HH book where a Myrmidon suplexes an Emperor's Child

[misty violet]

It does make me a little sad watching Necrons job continuously but otherwise I am very excited

[charred bridge]

Ooops all looters

The first looter looter

[misty violet]

The main badge of rank for the Mechanicus, besides the red robes, is the axe afterall

[tired cairn]

One of them did get to stab an important dude fatally. But it was funny that the Orks were doing better at killing space marines

[floral herald]

Orks is made for fighting and winning

[misty violet]

I guess they had to repent for the Dark Crusade intro where they wipe out a bunch of Blood Ravens

[charred bridge]

You re either a winner or dead

Nearly every ork alive has won every battle*

If they didnt win, the battle still going on at a later time

[tired cairn]

Oh what's fun there is I think between DoW: Dark Crusade and now, Necrons stopped being mindless, unfathomable robots and turned into a faction where the leaders have personalities?

[floral herald]

It did yeah

There were some intelligent lords back then but that was like it

I think the DC necron campaign was like the Lord, a Pariah, and a narrator?

[misty violet]

Yeah, I think in Soulstorm the Deceiver Shard also got some speaking lines

[floral herald]

Oh, yeah I think it did