Warhammer and Such

[quaint compass]

One Man
One Vote
Severan is the Man
He has the Vote

[floral herald]

There’s a blurb in the GSC codex which is like this

Where there’s a popular revolt that the imperium classifies as caused by genestealers and they send in the space marines and kill everyone

And then realize that the government was actually awful and was also fucking with the taxes or something and the revolt was fully justified loyalists

Oops

[tired cairn]

"government was actually awful" is probably a plus. But the tax part is unforgivable

[jaunty dawn]

finds no genestealers eh that's okay, can't get em all
finds out the government were evading taxes this is a tragedy of the highest order

[charred bridge]

Mobilize the arbites tithes arent being paid

[upper canopy]

I really should play Rogue Trader

[tired cairn]

There is an event in Rogue Trader where a Drukhari assassinates and then takes over as governor of one of your planets. If you leave her alone, she ends up being more popular because the horrible death games she plays aren't anymore awful than before but she is way more competent at running the planet (she then leaves because she gets bored)

[upper canopy]

but my attention span is so shot for longform RPGs at this point

[tired cairn]

It is a pretty long game

[main pagoda]

kill him kill him with hammers for not paying the tithe

[jaunty dawn]

space marines are fighting eh that's okay, let em get it out of their system
space marines are stealing taxes this is a tragedy of the highest order

[charred bridge]

Im surprised a Drukhari had enough interest to do human adminstrative work long enough to make any changes

[rocky shale]

Rogue Trader is much shorter than the rest of the owlcat crpgs

Mainly because you aren't playing pf1e

[tired cairn]

Administratum fuming over Space Marine tax exempt status

[tired cairn]

I think she was doing it to prove that she could do it better lmao

[uneven ember]

did also love the bit in Badab War when the Inquisition finally gets around to sorting the Maelstrom Warders vs merchant nobles fight out
& their conclusion was "everyone on both sides is either a traitor or so incompetent than it counts as treason"

The =][=nquisition: "don't make me come over there"

[charred bridge]

Ok that makes sense

Almost no one is as petty besides probably necrons

Particularly Orikan and Trayzn

[tired cairn]

I think "I time travel to make my prophesies come true" is pretty peak

[charred bridge]

The Infinite and the Divine was such a fun read, the accidental gene stealer cult taking over the world

[charred bridge]

*Except when it comes to Trazyn, he's basically a blind spot Orikan hates

I like to believe Guy just changes the future by pure pettiness to Orikan

[gray basalt]

The Infinite and The Divine is some of the best fiction BL has put out

[rocky shale]

I think craftworld eldar do a decent job of being "good guys" because while they're technically trying to get thier empire back they're mostly trying to not die.

[gray basalt]

Minus the racism they are great

[charred bridge]

In a nice way, it was like OG marvel. It had good laughs, real digestible for those with 0 40k knowledge, absurd in such a unique immortal robot way, and has great action scenes

[gray basalt]

Still had a line of grimdark too

[rocky shale]

It's 40k so I just assume "we don't like aliens" is a given outside of tau

[floral herald]

The CWE do have alien protectorates which is kind of imperialist shaped but the only context I remember them in is the Zelda’s fighting off a hive tendril to protect them sooo

Eldar not Zeldas but lol

[rocky shale]

In the grand scheme of 40k eldar are like middlingly racist.

[floral herald]

Oh my god

[thin ibex]

Ironically, Tau don't even necessarily like aliens. Hell in many cases they don't. They just don't adopt a genocidal response, and the greater good trumps whatever their personal distaste is

[rocky shale]

Maiden worlds are like the only real eldar "territory"

Which yknow fair they're full of souls

[gray basalt]

Dark Eldar rock

[charred bridge]

A sad bit was when Trazyn just decided to be an imperial rando and made a human friend and in a blink of an eye 60 years passed and the guy was retiring (someone actually made it to old age only cause of a name necron lord) and was dying and it made Trazyn realize why he preserves history cause all life other than necron is so fleeting as he barely noticed his new friend wasnt going to be around was a sweet somber moment.

Then the guy mentioned how his family is set for generations and Trazyn was thinking like yikes there's a Necron vault im gonna open and its going to end life on this planet

[uneven ember]

"best have out the railguns, sah. only bloody language these gue'la understand"

[tired cairn]

The Eldar racism is also a bit overstated because of that one mega-racist craftworld though right?

[gray basalt]

That wasn't really a friend but a slave

[rocky shale]

Biel'tan does really want that eldar empire back, yeah

[gray basalt]

He ran the library

[charred bridge]

Well to the guy a friend, or as much of a friend as you can have in 40k.

[gray basalt]

Fair

Just understand he was mind shackled

[charred bridge]

He mentions how well he was treated which is a very low bar

[gray basalt]

Yeeeee

[charred bridge]

Its a shame its like one of the few necron texts we get

Meanwhile 30 more ultramarine stories

[gray basalt]

I remember he talks to him and worries he is getting too old and considers passing both job and mind shackle scarab to the man's son

Implying he will kill him in the process

[charred bridge]

The amount of tonal 180s in the book was fun for me

Goes from serious to necron apathy/pettiness to funny on the same page

[gray basalt]

Also semi related but life expectancy in iirc Ultrmar realm is around 30 which is high for the Imperium

This guy lived to 60 something under Necrons

[past sphinx]

Owlcat made me painfully aware of how essential "just assume i am always maintaining buff X during adventuring " handwaving is

I think I 3rd of my playtime is recasting buffs turn 1

Same with RT in many regards

[tired cairn]

It was an intentional design decision to have buffs be per battle in RT iirc

[rocky shale]

RT just gets to hilarious amount of buff stacking

In other news the space maids artist put out a homebrew codex (cool!) but then used GW trademarks (uh oh) and the codex rules are hilariously overpowered (sad)

Detachment rule all ranged weapons get sus1 and rapid fire 2 my lord

Some of the general concepts are very cool but I could never see letting someone actually play them

[jaunty dawn]

More dakka 2!!!!!

[rocky shale]

Better more dakka is wild

On space marine guns too

[jaunty dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/e3-peggle-jump-two-gif-13350703

[thin ibex]

Is more dakka just really bad now?

[rocky shale]

Nah it's OK still

[thin ibex]

That's good, was hoping to try em out at some point

[dense idol]

it's so funny that detachment happened imo

especially when everyone lost their minds over starshatter arsenal a week earlier and then it had its thunder completely stolen

[pine matrix]

CATHAY!!!!

[still warren]

https://youtu.be/Lhtqd8FR4nE?feature=shared dammit thought the chorf reveal was this Friday not the 18th

[pine matrix]

One more week for Hashut to rise

[dense sedge]

I’ll be missing that and then learning what happened over lunch break

[west zealot]

Sleepy demon Bull boy.

[dense sedge]

Are there hashut rumours?

[soft willow]

Always, but nothing specific that I have heard to lend them any credibility at the moment.

[upper bluff]

I think there was a battletome that had some lines about paths of destruction and the scent of gunpowder that makes people think there have been teasers

[sour sequoia]

There’s been teasers in near every battletome, the teaser stream had everybody wearing big goofy hats, etc

[upper bluff]

To be fair big goofy hats could be any faction from OG WH Fantasy

[sour sequoia]

Bull effigies and oil drilling in the idoneth’s domain is pretty chorf & hashut though lmao

[west zealot]

It could, but no one commits to the bits like chorfs.

Kinda want a chorf who's oversized hat is weaponized now. Just full on has a ballista or crossbow in it

[upper bluff]

We have Karrakin trade baronia with their beard guns so here's hoping

[mental birch]

We have a dwarf with machine gun moustaches

[muted elm]

but will they add the Pain Trains?

[paper bluff]

Hidden deep, living in sea volcanic vents and cracks of lava chaos dwarves would his pretty hard

Chorf rapture

[mental birch]

We already have bioshock dwarves tho

Give them the big daddy as a unit

[main pagoda]

Give them the van saar spyder

[grim mango]

big boi is almost built!

[pine matrix]

That is fucking huge, holy hell

[grim mango]

Hes bigger than a Warlord Titan!

[pulsar cairn]

Name him

[cinder wraith]

may i have stl 🥺

[paper bluff]

What are the stats?

[grim mango]

His name is Faceum Irrumator

[pulsar cairn]

good name

[grim mango]

for 40K he doesnt have stats unfortunately

[grim mango]

Yeah sure, just a warning though, its like 40gig zipped 😆

If anyone is interested I take commissions! and I have files for a gooooood number of Warhammer kits at half ish the GW price

including OOP kits like this one

[paper bluff]

HH? I hear those got more interesting titan rules

[grim mango]

not even Heresy can use the Warmaster

[paper bluff]

What's the homebrew

[grim mango]

only place it has rules is for Legions Imperialis or Adeptus Titanicus, not sure if theres a Homebrew but if there is he's probably about 6000 points!

[pulsar cairn]

do the original chapters such as ultra marines and fists have their own data on historic events? Do they keep archives?

[grim mango]

sent you a dm

[paper bluff]

Simple answer is yes

Take the dark angels for example

[pulsar cairn]

right

Their whole thing was hunting the fallen to even know about the fallen they would need to have known some history

[thin ibex]

As a note, the OG chapter archives are rarely complete, we ARE talking 10k years

It is exceptionally difficult to maintain records for 10k years.

[paper bluff]

And if they did keep absolute records, all the space marine organs would work

[pulsar cairn]

True

[pulsar cairn]

do the mentors chapter feature in any books?

[floral herald]

https://www.elbenwald.de/warhammer/warhammer-40k-kill-team-einsteigerset

This is… kinda weird

Super cheap starter set coming for kill team but without enough models for the teams??

[tired cairn]

That seems pretty weird, yeah. Extra strange if it's a subset of the "heroes" sculpts

[floral herald]

I think it works because both of those teams are made from individual model sprues?

[thin ibex]

Cam you play with under strength teams?

[floral herald]

On account of being gacha space marines

[floral herald]

Yes but the game isn’t designed for it

It’s also weird because they’re short all of 1 model each

The savings cannot be large

Maybe it’s just the pic showing the wrong number of models?

Oh apparently this is a common thing for GW in Germany

[runic swallow]

Releasing undersize kits or the way they do the pictures?

Well, maybe “understrength” is the right word

[floral herald]

Undersize kits

[runic swallow]

Huh

[tired cairn]

Weird

[deft crest]

Oh

Huh

Yeah

[brittle salmon]

bizarre?

[humble plover]

I think it's only 5 marines per sprue, so dropping 1 model is dropping half the plastic of the kit

Still very weird, but I can kinda see the logic ig

[hardy harness]

I have found a Wrath & Glory game, at long last

Presently just debating what I wanna play as

Currently it's a tossup between:

-Psyker hailing from the War for Atoma, who recently made her escape from the Mourningstar after growing disillusioned with the Empire and defecting to the t'au
-Incredibly ancient Man of Iron that's laid dormant for fucking who knows how long, only recently reawakened to find the galaxy in utter turmoil and his creators devolved to utter squalor
-A ROIGHT PROPAH ORKY GIT OUT LOOKIN FOR DA GREATEST WAAAAAAAAAGH DIS GALAXY'S EVER SEEN

[tardy vault]

So, after playing a couple games of the new AoS GHP while I haven't played all the battleplans I think Paths of the Fey is my favorite so far.

Deployment setups just a good old brawl on center board while the underdog ability is ridiculous and lets you pull some really fun stuff.

[tardy vault]

.....which Psyker voice would you base them on?

[hardy harness]

Seer

That or Loner

[tardy vault]

The Psyker just for the mental image of the Tau trying to deal with either one of them

[hardy harness]

Logic for Seer being she argued with her Beloved a while about the state of things before finally getting him to admit that yes, this place is irredeemably fucked and the only real option is to start from square one

May not be fond of the t'au but they have some sliver of a chance to do something

[hardy harness]

Unbounded and incomparable sass vs dealing with a mentally deluded old woman talking to a voice in her head

[tardy vault]

I can only imagine little Miss "I Say Emperor While Part of an Inquisitoral Strike Force" would care about even paying the slightest bit of lip service to the Greater Good

especially with the rampant megalomania

[tepid stratus]

It's funny as fuck but man is it bad for tournaments. The underdog ability really slows down games with needing to redeploy a bunch of units

[tardy vault]

I was able to use it yesterday to basically hotswap my frontline units which was really nice

[tepid stratus]

I did have a funny moment of tagging one zombie on and when the ability triggered blocked out an entire objective with a 40 man zombie brick and trapping a bunch of stuff in reserves

[tardy vault]

and my opponent used it to bring a bunch of flanking cav into the center to try and kill me (where they died to less than half a unit of spear snakes but we don't talk about that part)

[tardy vault]

tbh I am finding that games do move quicker without the pause before every turn as players decided battle tactics

[tepid stratus]

That's a big one yes. But paths specifically eats time needing to lift and redeploy units. Especially if players are trying to maximize positioning

[tardy vault]

true enough

I played it against S2D with my fairly elite DoK list so I haven't had to deal with 80 clan rats or w/e on it

[tepid stratus]

Skaven vs soulblight took ages

[tardy vault]

I can imagine assuming both went horde focus (and you mentioned zombies so....)

[tepid stratus]

I ran 40 zombies, I was relatively elite with the rest of my list being vampires but my opponent was 80 clanrats and a lot of guns

[tardy vault]

yeahhhhh

[tepid stratus]

We basically max spaced our first vanish drops as much as coherency would allow to deny any other drops so we each ended up with like 3 units each lost off the first vanish trigger

[tardy vault]

I did play a Skaven player yesterday, but he was brand new and fucked up spacing on his screen letting me get within hitting range of his backline while having pretty much every buff in the entire index up

[tardy vault]

lmao

[tepid stratus]

Rip

[tardy vault]

Listen, if you let 40 swings of 3 damage crit mortals get within 3 inches of your guns what happens happens

[tepid stratus]

Yup been there done that with my blood knights

No Crit mortals but 41 attacks 2+ 2+ rend -3 for 3 damage might as well be the same

[tardy vault]

yep lol

tbf, the full statline was 41 attacks 2+ 3+ rend -2 3 damage

That said, there was like a solid 700 points of buffing units involved

(and I was missing one because Manifestations don't count as units for slay triggers)

[tepid stratus]

Yeah my combo was over 1100pts if you count Vordrai being nearby earlier in the game to give them on kill buffs

Base combo is just under 700pts for the 10 knights and lord

[tardy vault]

We're counting half of Morathi in that point total

the other half of her was the slay trigger that didn't go off

280 for the unit, 160 for the Ironscale, 330 for the Hag Queen, a once per battle enhancement, and ~380 for Morathi casting Mind Razor

[tepid stratus]

Average combo army in a nutshell lol

[tardy vault]

yeah lol

my opponent was bitching about how strong it was but like, dude, the unit I used is 10 models at 2HP, 5+, 6++ it's fucking paper. You nearly wiped the other one turn 1 and I only survived due to some really lucky saves. And, once those two units are gone it's fucking hero hammer where I start buffing and sending in my goddamn priest to kill units.

(...ignoring the giant rage snake that he let sit for too long because either you chose which units get fed to the Shadow Queen or I chose and you're not going to like my choices)

[tepid stratus]

Yeah unlike my vamps that are tough as nails, DoK dies to even the weakest of shooting

But 75% of my list is 22 models because of it

[tardy vault]

yeah

you pay for not being paper

[tepid stratus]

A 280pt zombie unit is more models than almost the rest of the list combined

[tardy vault]

I kind of want DoK heavy cav but I shudder at what the point cost would be

[tepid stratus]

20 blood knights, 16 askurgans, 3 vargheists, Vordrai, Lord on Mount and 40 zombies

And I'm considering dropping the zombies for 6 more vargheists

[tardy vault]

just run super elite SBG? Not the worst idea tbh

I know the horde style is more common atm but I bet it can do work

[tepid stratus]

Good armour saves are antithetical to DoK design tho IMO. Outside of maybe a revamped avatar that was a proper monster like it's 40k counterpart

[tardy vault]

I guess I should clarify heavy cav for DoK

[tepid stratus]

It's the tradeoff of some teleporting infantry that can kill chaff vs recyclable garbage for scouts

[tepid stratus]

So 3 wounds and a 4+ save? Lol

[tardy vault]

yeah basically

4+ save would make it a three way tie for best save in the army lol

and it wouldn't get the infantry defensive buffs

[tepid stratus]

Well at least the army got some staying power with the updated Krethusa

[tardy vault]

well

half the army

[tepid stratus]

True

[tardy vault]

the half I don't play

[tepid stratus]

Funny enough it can revive oracle morathi

She loses all survivability because the shadow queen is gone tho

[tardy vault]

lmao you're right she can

which is some hilarious implications with lore

[tepid stratus]

It's a pretty good way to get back in the magic game

[tepid stratus]

The crone has a sense of humor

[tardy vault]

How good was SBGL SoG stuff?

[tepid stratus]

Straight fire

But the book was already so good my vamp heavy gameplan doesn't even use any of it

[tardy vault]

fair

[tepid stratus]

People underestimate how handy the new Sekhar can be and the corpse cart lets you do the funny turn one dog walk with zombies

The heroic traits are nice as well but you'll still take lash if you have the points for it. They're just more viable choices if you don't have the 20pts free

[tardy vault]

giving enhancements points again is really nice

more points of balance is always good

[tepid stratus]

The cryptmasters formation is pointless but giving foot vamps fly and 12" move can be funny

Especially when the blades of the hollow king gets it

But I'll always stick with Bacchanal since I like my blood knights

[tardy vault]

Yeah, they pushed the terrian stuff for SBGL and Nighthaunt

[tardy vault]

oh yeah that reads for a cav army "+1 casting and +1 to wound"

[runic swallow]

So are the carts zombie spawners?

[tardy vault]

Nah, zombies just kind of crawl out of the walls (not quite anymore but still)

it gives a free 3 inch move to a unit during the end of any turn

the zombies cannot be in combat but can end in combat

So you set them up near an enemy unit on your turn and then just walk them in at the end pinning them

[sour sequoia]

Sitting here with my gluttons swinging 60 attacks on 3/2/1/2 after One Whole Buff

Look what they need to imitate a fraction of my power etc etc etc

DoK feel way less busted the moment you bother to hit em first

[tardy vault]

Yep

trust me, I am well aware of how squishy my army is

[sour sequoia]

The number of times I’ve just kinda removed someone’s shadow queen as a problem by running gnoblars out

I love you 110pt units of literal dogshit

[tardy vault]

yeah 20 wounds is quite a lot to chew through

[sour sequoia]

And the funny reverse-ogre charge actually goes crazy

[tardy vault]

especially if she's not rolling hot on her spear that day

oh damn yeah y'all got a free counter charge wtf

only one dice but still

[sour sequoia]

No, I mean the gnoblar ability-they deal 1d3 mortals when they get charged

[tardy vault]

oh that

[sour sequoia]

Just run em up, string em out, move block god himself

The countercharge formation is less strong than the rezzing one imo

[tardy vault]

[sour sequoia]

Staying power is what ogres lack

[tardy vault]

y'all got some strong formations wtf

meanwhile I'm gambling on 8+ charges to get mine

[sour sequoia]

Because our army rule doesnt exist

Its a tactical mistake to actually use it most days

And 90% of our units don’t actually have like. Abilities

[tardy vault]

fair

yeah, like the gluttons are basically just their statline

[upper canopy]

Ironguts seemed pretty durable

[sour sequoia]

AoS fucked up big time by making all armor saves based on the model’s level of coverage, so there’s no 4+ saves or better in ogres besides tyrants and monsters

Ironguts are 4 wounds but they’re only 4 bodies to ironguts’ 6 for even more points, and 5+ saves to start w/ zero ward in faction

[tardy vault]

Iron Guts are less tanky than DoK's tankiest infantry model with not support

this is not a good place to be

[sour sequoia]

Ogres’ competitiveness literally just comes from absurd offense statsticks, reinforced gluttons and either AoA or the +1 attack buff gibs literally anything in the game

[tardy vault]

(Sisters of Slaughter with Bladed Bucklers are -1 to hit, 5+, 6++ and come in units of 10 for 110 points)

[upper canopy]

Well

At least the funny bowling balls are still funny bowling balls

[sour sequoia]

Oh yeah

I love me some ogres especially since they’re a hipster army now lmao

[tardy vault]

Monster Truck Ogors apparently is really fun

[sour sequoia]

“Oh its scary infantry but its just infantry I should get aggressive to get the charge off round 2”

“What do you mean average threat range is 20 inches”

[tardy vault]

Apparently they're still paying for like the one month in 1e they were meta

[upper canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/total-war-warhammer-total-war-warhammer-ogres-ogre-kingdoms-gif-23790631

[sour sequoia]

That and about 2 months of current ed up until start of SoG - every monster hero’s gotten abt 50 point tax on em now

[tardy vault]

meanwhile DoK has stopped being the single most balanced army in the game and is climbing in win rates

(please GW it's the aelf half don't nerf the snakes please)

(for all of last GHB DoK had been hard locked to a 50% win rate)

[sour sequoia]

Between Morbid’s chains, Mawpit, monster charges etc. you were seeing rounds of 50+ mortal wounds applied fairly regularly

And then you’d actually use the stonehorn combat profiles

[tardy vault]

It was what Army rule, stonehorn ability, mawpit, and morbid's nonsense?

[sour sequoia]

Blizzard bomb prayer, and the rampages on frostlords and thundertusks thats actually just even more mortals

Frostlord unironically my favorite shadowqueen counter, just drift a bus through her each turn and keep running thanks to the charge phase flying 2d6 power through

Boomthirster? Archaon? Krondyss? Just throw a bus at em

[tardy vault]

yeah, despite people saying they know about her rule way to often am I allowed to do what I want

You need to dedicate at least part of your army to her and people just...don't

[sour sequoia]

I mean I’ll be honest I think its the single stupidest unit/rule in AoS besides maybe Belakor

There’s a reason they deleted it from 40k and there’s way more damage flying around there

[tardy vault]

God I played Belakor yesterday and I'm extremely lucky that he didn't get his BS off

my opponent apparently doesn't like using it turn 1 (which was certainly a choice when I all but wiped a reinforced unit of Chaos Warriors), and then round 2 I counter charged into him off a major positioning blunder and killed him

[tepid stratus]

No but they give them a shit load of free movement

Cart + lash + deathstench drove + at the double is a ridiculous amount of movement for 4" goobers

D6" +4" +6" +3" +3" +3". You can lock down the enemy deployment zone with that

Admittedly 20 dire wolves do the same with less investment

But the zombies can do damage in death and are cheaper

[rocky shale]

I love crusade

[sour sequoia]

During the LGS nachmund gauntlet I managed to score every possible attack buffing upgrade on the voidscythe overlord

Had this chick lone op stealth swinging 8 attacks at strength 14 AP-4 Damage 4 precision & dev wounds

We had first nightbringer yes but what about second nightbringer

Crusade gets goofy as shit

[upper canopy]

Dark Heresy game begins tomorrow...

[runic swallow]

Remember to stack all possible bonuses in combat, people often forget to

[upper canopy]

Oh I'm the old hand

Been playing it since I was like

14

Though I haven't played 2e

admittedly

[rocky shale]

The dev wound precision gun will land 10 hits on average, against most characters it will wound on 2s so 8.3 shots wound and 1.7 are dev wounds, so on average im landing like 5 dev wounds which pops the character in the squad basically every time lmao

3 damage generally wont do it but 6 damage will

Hilarious for crusade where every character has 500 buffs

[upper canopy]

I'm also a frenzy blender Fanatic

which is gonna be funny

With a fate point and frenzy I'm at an effective 60 weaponskill off the bat

hitting with my chainaxe for 1d10+6 pen 2 and rending

which SHOULD let me brrrrrrtttttttt most low level enemies for a bit until I can get some kinda flamer

[brittle salmon]

darktide style gaming

Fire is still fucking crazy btw

[upper canopy]

The plan is hopefully getting an exterminator cartridge for the chainaxe

[slim prawn]

oh hell yes

[brittle salmon]

HOH

excellent

[thin ibex]

What's the exterminator cartridge do?

[upper canopy]

It's like a single-shot grenade tube for a melee weapon but instead it's a flamethrower

[runic swallow]

I think it started out in OG Necromunda with the Redemptionists?

[upper canopy]

Also

These are sick

and I want them,

[hardy harness]

Are Psykers playable in Rogue Trader? We were gonna do Wrath & Glory but the GM wants to go Rogue Trader instead.

Which I'm fine with tbh, I've played a little Rogue Trader before and it seems like a fun system.

[floral herald]

They're playable yeah

[hardy harness]

Excellent

Are force staves still two handers in Rogue Trader? I know they are in W&G.

[floral herald]

You gotta be an astropath usually but that's not much of an obstacle

[hardy harness]

Eh, I'm fine with being the ship's Astropath

Important role, that

[hardy harness]

Only really asking because I wanna do some Gandalf sword-and-staff shenanigans

[floral herald]

It's not two handed in RT

[upper canopy]

Rogue Trader is a weird system but I genuinely don't think there's a game like it

I do really wanna play it as a Dark Eldar

[upper canopy]

Man 2e gutted Scatter

and yet Accurate remains The Best Weapon Trait

[rocky shale]

only war scatter my beloved

From what little DH2e I have played, accurate is monstrous yeah

[runic swallow]

I do kinda love the ways DH makes you feel like an absolute band of dipshits

[rocky shale]

I did like playing my duelist accountant

[runic swallow]

It’s somewhat like in CoC how being able to have a good Library Use score is really useful, but in DH it can be “is literate” or “can understand bureaucracy”

[hardy harness]

hoohooheeheehoohoohoo

Excellent

[runic swallow]

And how most of the guns as best fired just spraying because you are some untrained dickhead who has to remember what the sights are for lol

[hardy harness]

...I do wonder, how would sword and stave fighting look in real life

[runic swallow]

I’m sure there’s a manual by some historical German or Italian guy on it

[hardy harness]

Probably

[hardy harness]

...the GM has elected to leave since a bunch of their friends expressed interest and she elected to run something for them instead

https://tenor.com/view/piddel-piddel-meme-piddel-gaming-piddel-pain-pain-gif-26176777

Can't blame her but that

Takes the wind out of my sails

[brittle salmon]

as it always was

[upper canopy]

I will say

I still dont understand how influence works

In Dh2e

Can we pool our influence?

[glad spear]

Running a wrath and glory campaign right now and it's a lot of fun. Last session, our psyker proced perils of the warp at least 3-4 times in a 3 hour session

[main pagoda]

Ran a DH campaign awhile ago and had the psyker immediately peril and summon a demon. Never retconned something so fast

[rocky harness]

was in a deathwatch campaign and my librarian periled enough to summon a blood thirstier, which was actually a good thing as it distracted the Trygon that was chasing us down the tunnel we were in. Empiror protects i guess.

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NPwrgULmB0

[charred bridge]

Why would the Warhammer name his son after the Heresy, is he stupid?

[thin ibex]

AND THEN THE EMPEROR ARRIVED WITH 40,000 WARHAMMERS

alternatively, his WARHAMMER MARK 40,000

he horus heresies Senor Heresy using all 40,000 hammers

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY_JzB0WxSA

[upper canopy]

THEY GOT RID OF THE SCREAM AND IT

[pastel rampart]

August 14th, $30, 30% off for owners of the original.

[upper canopy]

SUCKS

[pastel rampart]

Yeah. on the plus side, enhanced pathfinding is a godsend.

[rocky shale]

Nooooo

[rocky shale]

Upgraded pathfinding is basically the bare minimum for any older rts revamps

[upper canopy]

I don't even care about the AI upscaling

but how can you get rid of URRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHH

[pastel rampart]

Doubtless there'll be a mod to fix that.

[charred bridge]

The fabled mark 40000 STC

[cinder wraith]

omg the funniest shit ever happened

so tldr we had a "That Guy" person arriving to the community two years ago and got very angry at the flgs for its "high prices" (which they did raise to support the employees, tax and shop management) and opened his own store to sell warhammer for cheaper prices

and he was being this toxic asshole to everyone that people cut him off from the community

and today he joined with his store account renamed to someone similair named to himbut did NOT change the number and began messaging himself back and forth about this "new store that just opened locally"

and people were like "bro stop this is very pathetic, please have some dignity"

and the shitshow escalated to politics and he got banned from the local community

[hardy harness]

Lmao

[cinder wraith]

cinema

[hardy harness]

What a dumbass

[cinder wraith]

the biggest loser of the day

also because they were named similairly people shitposting about the alpha legion learning a new board game cult

"hi, im john alpharius"

[main pagoda]

never understood how people especially LGS owners can think they can act like assholes and not get outcast in a niche community

[hardy harness]

They've deluded themselves into thinking that everyone else in the hobby is a shitlord like they are via 4chan

[cinder wraith]

hes just an asshole

i doubt he knows what 4chan is

[rocky shale]

Sometimes they can, if there aren't alternatives

Oh hell yeah my slightly less local game store just starred stocking monument paints

I never have to buy anything else again

[past sphinx]

nothing says "underhive safari" like having a pair of bodyguards wielding weapons so rare whole space marine chapters might be without them

[floral herald]

What are those?

[paper bluff]

I need ideas for a Khornate bloodbowl team

[past sphinx]

palantine companions, personal bodyguards for the rich and famous of necromunda

[floral herald]

I was gonna ask that next but I also don’t recognize that gun haha

[sour sequoia]

I’m understanding the appeal of necromunda kitbashes for GSC now I gotta get me some baldoids in those jackets

[past sphinx]

the real "im gonna steal that part" munda grindset

[west zealot]

So what sort of guns are they using?

[past sphinx]

Desintergrators

[upper canopy]

I forgot to add str when calculating my acolytes chainaxe damage

In frenzy he is hitting for 1d10+10 rending

[pulsar cairn]

Did the great crusade legions also have weird rites of passage before they slapped u with gene seed?

[upper canopy]

Yes but focused a little less on killing you

[finite compass]

You still generally had stereotypical Training From Hell

Maybe less so with Inductii

Though those were Heresy-era

Basically "Lower standards and training because we need numbers now"

[past sphinx]

Inductii you had hell training applied directly to the brainsstem!

[uneven ember]

probably a lot less really individualized hazing/induction
because even before the Heresy kicked off
these were the supersoldier legions conquering the galaxy, getting them onboarded was an assembly line process

[floral herald]

Dang the KT raveners are weird to assemble

[humble plover]

very much so

are you building em right now?

[floral herald]

Yeah

[tired cairn]

They seemed mostly normal to me as a tyranid player. Though some of the tunnels were unclear

[upper canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1389087380006375517/1394508818725077012/image0.jpg?ex=6877110b&is=6875bf8b&hm=614d9703b5adfd016044a10893fb1baa76d4250d480998a2233085892dfc7a4d&

the dark heresy game begins

[brittle salmon]

go kill

[upper canopy]

I did indeed kill

[upper canopy]

The lightly german fanatic and the Russian voidborn are an incredible pair of freaks

[slim prawn]

hell yeah

[cinder wraith]

i loooove this

[tired cairn]

The rogue trader era genestealer patriarch is pretty funny

[cinder wraith]

papa genestealer got a story to tell

[upper canopy]

I have realized

An Agility bonus of 2

Does kinda suck

And I will probably need an advance asap

Since i am melee

[humble plover]

yeah its really brutal

honestly even AGB 3 feels pretty bad to me for the melee character I just started playing in a DH2 campaign

I couldn't imagine 2

[brittle salmon]

It hinges entirely on how large the maps are imo

DH2e maps should not be super big

[main pagoda]

Depends on how you want to do melee but assuming parrying is your survival method yeah

You can beef cake your way through combat to an extent

[floral herald]

It was the weird click together torso on the prime for me that was the weirdest bit of assembly since the Torment I put together

[tired cairn]

Oh! Yeah that's fair. I don't know why they did that

[remote wharf]

I just realized something. Is the Deredeo Dreadnought supposed to be a reinterpretation of the space crusade one?

[pastel rampart]

Yeah.

It's about 50% of the way there, and would've been 75% if it had reverse joint legs.

[remote wharf]

Neat.

[valid brook]

Rifleman Dread my beloved

[upper canopy]

Well I can parry just fine, but its gonna be a movement issue

[soft willow]

The legs from those Space Crusade dreads ended up in the Vorax Battle-Automata: https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/Mechanicum-Vorax-Battle-Automata

[main pagoda]

ah the dawgs

[remote wharf]

Speaking of Mechanicum things and space crusade, this is perhaps the biggest stretch but I could see the Thallax as being inspired by chaos androids. Which fun fact, are still canon even after going on to inspire the necrons.

[remote wharf]

What makes me say that is aside from the necrons, robot/cyborgs carrying rifles instead of having gun arms is pretty rare.

[upper canopy]

Is it?

Star Wars is a big one that comes to mind

[tired cairn]

I assume they mean in 40k given the channel?

[remote wharf]

Yeah

Like I said tho, biggest stretch.

[tired cairn]

It kind of makes sense since you can integrate the weapon easily into a robot/cyborg

Necrons don't do it unless they are crazy because they presumably designed themselves to be similar to their original form and it'd be conceptual weird to that?

I don't know what the deal with 30k robots are on this front

Also give us 40k rules for 30k admech you cowards GW!

[remote wharf]

Thallax are noted as cyborgs, so there's a person under all that, somewhere.

[vital barn]

thallax are the fullest borgs in the setting, bar perhaps a few heavily beyond-norm Archmagi

[remote wharf]

What they're wearing is technically power armor. They're just surgically entombed in ala bioshock big daddies.

[vital barn]

thallax

they are very fucked up even by Mechanicum standards, which is why they are line troops with the stats of jump pack Ogryns

or at least they were, in previous editions

it was mentioned that their full-borg bodies include many parts that are interchangeable with Astartes power armour, for better interoprerability with the Legions, but even the Space Marines don't get Tau-style jump packs or plasma light-machine-guns

[tired cairn]

Huh. I guess when a tech-priest does that much weird stuff to themselves it's over a much longer period is time

[vital barn]

Thallax are very much running a linear-program optimisation over all functions of the human brain and discarding the vast majority

their power in narrative ranges from "will happily go 1-1 with Astartes, since they have much bigger guns even if they're less clever" and "one marine casually wrecks a dozen" because that's how Marines in Black Library work, but they are consistently described as quite scary outside of melee combat, where they're mostly idiots

they are especially terrifying to armoured units, since they can jump pack in or bury themselves in the ground to get in close, are resistant to most sponsons and small arms fire available to vehicles and have senses good enough to completely ignore standard smoke launchers

with meltas/meltabombs and their usual lightning guns they will absolutely fuck up a predator spearhead or single land raider

[pastel rampart]

Thallax are a couple steps down from Excindio in terms of "utterly terrifying."

[vital barn]

the melee variants of them were actually way less scary because they had traditional terrible Mech weapon skill and thus couldn't hit anything with their S10 AP2 power fists

decent can openers though

interested to see what they're like in 3e

[remote wharf]

Also yeah, really gotta agree, 40k would be so much better if you could just play all the Heresy units, but then that would make people buy the cooler Heresy units instead of the 40k ones so it's never happening.

[upper canopy]

I feel like "40k would be made better by adding more Space Marines" has been one of the major reasons 40k has dropped in quality lately

[tired cairn]

Eh, I think that has always been the case?

[tired cairn]

I mean, I still like a bunch of the 40k admech line

And Tyranids don't even exist in 30k

[pulsar cairn]

Are those 30k?

[remote wharf]

Yeah

A lot of Horus Heresy stuff is straight up "What if we made this rogue trader era mini today."

[pulsar cairn]

30k has a lot of cool stuff it seems

I often like their stuff more if im being honest

Too bad there arent any xenos

[upper bluff]

Eventually 30k will run out of Horus Heresy and they'll move onto the Great Crusade. Might be weird with the amount of marine vs marine that will still happen when playing but they can introduce aeldar probably

Or maybe they'll never do this because the more I think about it the more I realize that half the xeno factions weren't even in the galaxy until after the Horus Heresy

99% of necrons were still sleeping, Tyranids were still outside the galaxy, Tau were still hitting each other with sticks, Votann are probably still in the galactic core

[rocky shale]

Idk I feel like 30k diehards can be placate for a really really long time by just drip feeding them every glup shitto from that entire book series

[upper bluff]

That just leaves Craft world's, Drukharii, Orks, and those time aliens that Perturabo got kicked in the ass by

[desert jay]

A War of the Beast expansion for HH would go pretty hard tho

[upper bluff]

True

[upper canopy]

Add the Yongdan Xenocide guys to make that event more lackluster

[upper bluff]

I think one day we'll see xenos in Horus Heresy but probably not until it loses the title Horus Heresy probably

[upper canopy]

I feel like there's a few reasons they'd never add them tbh

Chief among them is that how are you gonna interest xenos players in building a second entire army for a game actively hostile to their presence

[jaunty dawn]

Thing is like

Wouldnt eldar just be the same pretty much

Which is a no no atm

[upper canopy]

Yeah

Orks too for the most part

[jaunty dawn]

Like horus heresy happened in like

Quite a particular context

And it was only really able to happen cause badab war had already happened

And gw just doesnt do that shit anymore

And also all the xenos apocalypse stuff got discontinued so. While thats not irreversible it does show the current direction

[pastel rampart]

They'd rather sell you a box set centered around "this will shake up the galaxy!!!" and is forgotten in 3 months.

[runic swallow]

The cutaway images of them in the original HH books are incredible, some great techno-body horror

I love the Thallax and similar Mechanicum units

They also have such a great design language to them

[paper bluff]

They're about as human as Adam Smasher

[upper bluff]

They've basically speedran a tech priests wet dream and their mental state matches

[uneven ember]

fuck yeah that rules

[humble plover]

Dark Heresy question that came up in my new player group. When the starting requisition rules say you can select items that are "scarce or better", does that mean items more rare than scarce or less rare?

[floral herald]

scarce or easier to get

[upper canopy]

it's better for you to roll the easier something is to get

[humble plover]

Yeah ok that's what I thought, thanks!

[runic swallow]

They also see in X-rays, acoustics, and thermal and have black hole and lightning guns

So incredibly Metal, modern mechanicus pales in comparison

[upper bluff]

Hey to be fair modern Mechanicus also has lightning guns and the imperium at large has black hole guns they just decided to stop using them when guilliman came back

The real tech that I crave from 30k is widespread volkite

[runic swallow]

I more mean in stuff that actually shows up on the tabletop

I know technically all the Mechanicum stuff is out there, but if it doesn’t show up it kinda doesn’t count you know?

[pale narwhal]

I wish fires of cyraxus had happened

[mental birch]

Mood

Then GW would have been stuck with legacy heresy rules

And we can loot happily

[pulsar cairn]

Ok

Random ass question

I had a dream where the ghost busters trapped a daemon host

Are daemons ghosts?

[main pagoda]

they certainly can be

theres really no concrete rules on what form demons will take, appearing as ghosts or ghost-esq typically means its a weaker demon or only a small part of a larger presence

[pulsar cairn]

Neat

[main pagoda]

the one that always springs to mind is samus

the precursor to him manifesting is ghostly voices/images just basically saying samus is coming/here

[pulsar cairn]

is he from a book? that sounds cool

[past sphinx]

Horus rising first book

And err others but thats basically all spoilers to say anything about it

[pulsar cairn]

right

[main pagoda]

He features alot in the HH series his prime time is in the end and the death part 3

He's one of the big demons of the era

[pulsar cairn]

spooky

[main pagoda]

Sorry part two

"‘My name is Samus,’ it screams at him. ‘Samus is my name.’ ‘Is it?’ says Loken. He has hauled himself upright. Leaning against the wall, he tries to limp backwards as it descends upon him. ‘No one cares. No one!’ ‘That is the only name you’ll hear,’ it growls, lunging at him. Loken throws himself aside, and talons shred the wall. He shoulder-rolls onto his feet, and as he rises, draws his swords – Rubio’s blade and Mourn-It-All – over his shoulders. His hands are shaking. ‘That’s not all I hear,’ Loken spits. Claws snag at him, and he fends them off with a keen parry. ‘I hear other voices. Echoes of the voices you’ve stolen. I hear one in particular. Do you hear it, daemon? Another voice, speaking your words a second before you do?’ ‘I am the one who walks behind you,’ the daemon crows, suddenly at his back, but Loken has already wheeled around, knowing where the next strike would come from. The echo is real. He can hear it, one voice that has separated from the others that bind up to make the daemon’s speech. A woman’s. He thought at first it was Mersadie, but it’s not. It’s a woman’s voice, saying the same words as the daemon, but a heartbeat in advance, like a prompt. Rubio’s blade flashes and sparks as it deflects a raking talon. ‘I am the footsteps at your back,’ Samus hisses, but Loken has already uttered the same words, repeating what the echo has recited. The daemon quails back, shocked, disturbed by his prey’s behaviour. It whimpers."

He has his whole rhyme

Spends most of the end of the SoT fucking with loken

[pastel rampart]

https://bsky.app/profile/mculexus.bsky.social/post/3lu3coryqo22o

Mister Culexus (@mculexus.bsky.social)

Bluesky · Jul 16, 2025, 11:26 AM

[pulsar cairn]

Is space dwarf armor power armor?

[jaunty dawn]

Some of it

[pulsar cairn]

Are these ones power armor?

[thin ibex]

i believe so yes

[floral herald]

Void Armor isn’t powered

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah

Just the exo armour the terminator guys

The void armour is basically just an armoured spacesuit which works cause the dorfs are stronk

[pulsar cairn]

I see

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401492965379538954/1395082014780166196/image0.jpg?ex=687926df&is=6877d55f&hm=8bfa113417d41a644c59cb9b14adb80c42a230444a909d3e9255b0e88181699f&

[thin ibex]

oh wait really? void armor isn't powerd? whats even the point of the big backpack n stuff?

[bright dove]

Let's gooo

[thin ibex]

it has like mounted lights, an enclosed environment, a big hand?

it really appears to me like it has some sort of internal power source

[pastel rampart]

It's powered but not power armor.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Void_Armour_(Leagues_of_Votann)

[floral herald]

It’s a space suit and has powered components like lights and force fields but it doesn’t have power assist aiui

[pastel rampart]

Yeah.

Exo-armor is powered and is closer to a suit of terminator armor.

Close to done on this.

[gray basalt]

Magnaferrite sounds like a alloy of Magnesium and iron

[runic swallow]

I feel like if Iron Warriors can violently shove demons into artillery shells in place of explosives, you can almost certainly trap a demon ghostbusters-style

[pulsar cairn]

Nice

[grim mango]

I did some custom heads for mine based off of that first pic!

[finite compass]

Nice!

One of the coolest things I've seen (that I know I'll never find if I look for it again) was somebody who freehanded a skull onto the faceplate to sort of make it look like it was transluscent and filled wtih fluid

[grim mango]

oooooh! thats sounds Awesome!

[sour sequoia]

On the one hand I love that atalan jackals are just nutty efficient units now
On the other hand I don't wanna assemble a gazillion bikes

so many weird connection points and sprue attachments/mold lines right over said connection points & fine detail

[grim mango]

@finite compass excuse the awful print and camera quality, it was from when I just started printing and didn't quite know what I was doing!

[finite compass]

Neat

[paper bluff]

Let is be said though, terminator armor tech does come from dark age of tech space suit tech

[finite compass]

I thought it was like reactor repair suits

[runic swallow]

Yeah, I’d heard it was originally for fusion reactor maintenance

[thin ibex]

They're do seem to be like mixed lore bits, some of which assert that like all the main stuff we see today was farm equipment or some such back in the day

[upper bluff]

There is also the problem of fan jokes being tossed in with the actual Canon. I was so disappointed when I learned that the Baneblade STC is not actually labeled light battletank

[finite compass]

Yeah, there's a lot of stuff like 'The Leman Russ STC was originally a tractor' that gets repeated over and over but doesn't seem to h ave any actual source.

[paper bluff]

It's like the lamenter's battle cry

[pulsar cairn]

The lamenter's battle cry also has no source?

[floral herald]

That’s one of the craziest ones tbh

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, it's just some shit someone put up on a wiki and people took it as gospel.

[pulsar cairn]

dang....that sucks

[thin ibex]

i admit i was not disappointed about hte baneblade thing, i thought that was a bit silly in a way that seemed different than the usual warhammer silliness

its like saying "yeah back in the day lascannons were considered sidearms, like pistols"

"the smallest armament of a soldier in the olden times was a nuke"

[floral herald]

It’s from a… pretty good bit of /tg/ microfiction it turns out but it’s just not an actual battle cry in it

Which makes sense cause it’s not a very good battle cry

(Which is plausible not every chapter has a good one)

[pulsar cairn]

[upper canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weRj6pjxJR8

everyone watch snipe and wib

[floral herald]

My legion battle cry tier list

I can justify almost all of them

[pulsar cairn]

why do Imperial fists get their own tier?

[floral herald]

It's so ass Rogal Dorn wants it branded and this makes it overflow into being good so it cannot be placed on a normal list

(The Emperor's Children only get their S-rank post heresy though)

It's basic while they're loyalists

[finite compass]

I forget

What's the World Eaters

Besides, you know

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[floral herald]

Blood for the blood god
Skulls for the skull throne

[finite compass]

That's more Khorne though, innit?

[floral herald]

That's what knocks them out of S tier

[finite compass]

I'm guessing WB are D because 'Ominous Chaotic Chanting' isn't actually a battlecry

[pulsar cairn]

Which are the ones you cant justify?

[floral herald]

Rough explanations:
S tier: these ones just all kick ass. Traitor slanted haha. EC only squeak in because their ironic battlecry is goated.
A tier:

• Space wolves: sometimes they just howl that's dope. Put a nice local spin on "for the primarch and emperor" the ur-battlecry.
• Blood Angels: it's cool but not S-tier cool. Also they use an ur-battlecry.
• World Eaters: goes hard asf but also they have failed to maintain it as their battlecry.
• Death Guard: no battlecry (aura version)
• Salamanders: this could be S rank it rips.
  B tier:
• White Scars: ur-battlecry
• Sons of Horus: these MFs can't make up their minds and it's just a horus themed ur-battlecry. They don't get a really good one until Abaddon is running shit.
• Raven Guard: cool but extremely basic. The kind of battlecry you'd expect to see on a thin blue line themed graphic t shirt sorry
• Alpha Legion: Hydra Dominatus is just ok imo, but this is subjective
  C tier:
• Ultramarines: Courage and Honor is a really funny battlecry for guys who "know no fear" and are the pragmatic copycats.
• 1ksons: It's just descriptive!
  D tier:
• Iron Hands: "we fucking hate ourselves!" is actually so bad it's good, could maybe be Imperial Fists tier
• Word Bearers no battlecry but the DG already did that

[thin ibex]

For Russ and the Allfather!

Into the Fires of Battle. Unto the Anvil of War do go hard

[floral herald]

Yeah I can't really justify that one it could easily be S tier

The Sons of Horus also get way better with Death to the False Emperor and Let the Galaxy Burn but they only come up with those after Horus' death

[thin ibex]

I think, despite being a wolf player, salamanders get my S tier spot

[pulsar cairn]

i too like space wolves

[floral herald]

I like pretty much all the legions tbh

My opinions on the battlecries are just like incidental

The ultramarines can also be weird about honor but in a war ultramarine-y way

[thin ibex]

Into the fires of logistics, unto the bill of materials

For the Inventory and the Excel Sheet!

[pulsar cairn]

They should make them run the admnistratum or whatever the heck its called

[thin ibex]

Ah but they'd actually try to be efficient without the influence of the high lord's directly manipulating them to intentionally sabotage imperial forces

[floral herald]

Unironically they're not up to the task

[pulsar cairn]

Idk why but i thought of a space marine still wearing power armor sitting down in front of a computer with tiny reading glasses over his face plate

[floral herald]

Albeit, no one is

[pulsar cairn]

I can imagine

[vital barn]

death to the false emperor kind of tops the list, but the HH books also gave that to a Night Lord

[thin ibex]

Ave domine nox?

[pulsar cairn]

Bed time, good night everyone!

[thin ibex]

Night!

[floral herald]

Night Lords manage some great things when they're not being a little pathetic

First in the palace too iirc (this is contested iirc)

[vital barn]

nah, they had Sevatar, their designated night lord protag, come up with Death To The False Emperor instead of any of the Sons of Horus/Word Bearers/etc.

[thin ibex]

Night lords are some of my favorite un complicatedly evil pathetic shitlords

[vital barn]

I think the Salamanders are a bit wordy

[thin ibex]

It's cool as a measured chant as they enter battle rather than a scream

[vital barn]

the loyalist sons of horus had "kill for the living, kill for the dead" which is a bit tryhard but decent

[thin ibex]

Same with "VULKAN LIVES Stomp Stomp"

[vital barn]

you really need something that rolls off the tongue

Word Bearers somehow have zero of the drippy slogans despite being the OG chaos marines

[runic swallow]

Their thing is sermons, more “Sinners in the Hand of An Angry God” than specific slogans

[floral herald]

Honestly it makes sense they just have too many and want to use them all

[thin ibex]

Something I liked in the novel I'm reading i think it's like regents shadow, it's the idea that space marines can crank the volume on their external speaker to stun enemies with their battle cry while charging

Space marine enloudener

Prolly got the idea from howling banshees

[finite compass]

That being said would the AL battlecry be 'Hydra Dominatus' or 'For the Emperor'

[runic swallow]

Yes

[finite compass]

The latter either very generic or hilarious as it's to fuck with loyalists

[finite compass]

This shows up in the Night Lords books as well

[vital barn]

the Emperor's Children have For The Emperor on lock, so I would go for the former

with possible side appearance from "Just As Planned"

[finite compass]

One of the characters grabs a random Imperial crewman to yell at him and ask were teh escape pods are

This deafens him because the vox is all the way up

[runic swallow]

Speaking of, I love how the Night Lords book ||made Jain Zar|| absolutely terrifying, which is nice to see for another army’s character showing up in a book

[finite compass]

And he responds by pulling an autopistol, and shooting the Night Lord in the face...Which ricochets off his helmet and kills the crewman

The rest of the squad finds this hilarious

[runic swallow]

I love how much of a brotherhood of assholes the squad is

Guys who absolutely loath each other but would also die for each other

[finite compass]

||"I'm sure they fought as they lived. Trying to run away."||

[floral herald]

That bit was genuinely hilarious

[past sphinx]

FIRST ON THE WALLS FIRST IN THE PALACE, AVE DOMINUS NOX

kharn had to walk we had a jumppack maniac

[west zealot]

This reminds of a very good running joke in Mike Brooks novels, whenever someone asks what's good against Orks, someone else just replies "lascannons"

[west zealot]

They use for the emperor in the books I've read

[tall depot]

i agree for most of these but thousand sons is a tier for me

[floral herald]

It does go hard

[brittle salmon]

excellent taste

Deserved Iron Warriors W in particular

My boys just do not get enough credit

[past sphinx]

WB's need a little more love

a named character atleast

give chaos the Spacemarine codex vibe of having an HQ/epic hero character per legion

[finite compass]

40k era they've got like...3

Not counting Lorgar

[past sphinx]

id love an Erberus Epic hero

not a primarch but just his dickhead son

[desert jay]

Abbadon, Cypher, Fabius Bile, Haarken Worldclaimer, and Huron Blackheart

[past sphinx]

notably only like 2 are actually used

Bile and abbadon

[desert jay]

Cypher I heard was good in some lists

[past sphinx]

hes got the "make strats cost more" thing going on so he can be good

[finite compass]

NL also don't have any modern named characters, really

Nor does AL

[past sphinx]

worldclaimer technically

[finite compass]

Or IW appart from Honsou

[desert jay]

Haarken is BL

(Formerly NL)

[past sphinx]

His indie career was so good he went pro

suffering from success

[jaunty dawn]

Every legion gets a character but theyre all turned BL

I think this is actually pretty much the case novel wise

Aiui

Theres also the trivia that like half the csm roster used to be legion specific, like dark apostles were wb etc

[past sphinx]

yeah, everybody joins the melting pot

[finite compass]

Sorta

Warpsmiths and Warsmiths aren't the same thing

A Warsmith was just, ruleswise, an IW-specific Chaos Lord that could use a servo arm

[west zealot]

Solomon is alpha legion and definitely not BL, but doesn't have a model yet.

[paper bluff]

"Into the fires of battle!" With the response "unto the anvil of war" is okay pretty cool imo

But strong agree with the call and response with "Iron within, Iron without"

Still hilarious to me when I realized hazard stripes to th 30/40k universe is just an ancient terran symbol of danger/being dangerous

[runic swallow]

Dangerous tools

[paper bluff]

I was about to say "Alpharius" but then I realized you meant mini

[main pagoda]

Need a first captain tier list fr fr

[desert jay]

Random Chaos Lord mini: “I am Alpharius”

[paper bluff]

In lore. Yep. Thay is exactly it

[meager quail]

I kinda like Primaris, although I think they might be more interesting if they weren’t Extra Powerful but instead were just space marines put on ice who find the present extremely disorienting

[upper bluff]

"oh boy I can't wait to go back to my favorite planet Cadia!" "Me too! I hope Baal is okay!"

[misty violet]

See I always read the the IH "The Flesh is Weak" more directed at the people they're fighting (provided it's not Necrons or some other machine race)

With the implication that they aren't the Flesh

At least, when it's being used as a battlecry

[floral herald]

I think it’s both a statement of their anti-flesh ethos and a condemnation of their enemy’s yeah

[misty violet]

That said, I do agree that the IH in general are kind of a whomp whomp, and that's coming from a theoretical IH stan

[floral herald]

I like the IH but a lot of why I like them is because they’re so bitter and angry

[misty violet]

Yeah, exactly. I like them as like RT-era evil space cops as much as anything

But then the Red Talons exist to basically just be that perfected imo

[upper canopy]

I like the IH a bit if only because every person playing an IH in deathwatch games has been hilarious

[pastel rampart]

And done.

[pine matrix]

It's a beaut!

[pastel rampart]

It was fun to paint.

And made me really want the old mighty castle set GW put out decades ago.

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/KtIAAOSwHjZmpE-b/s-l1200.jpg

This thing ruled.

[thin ibex]

you know, the assault cannon being six shots is objectively a decent volume of shots, but these days im spoiled by the gatling cannons

[finite compass]

Did anybody else have t hose old GW 'How to Make Wargames Terrain' books?

[pastel rampart]

I didn't but I've been trying to track down a copy for a little while.

I got a PDF of course. But physical books are nice.

[brisk mountain]

Playing Wrath and Glory with homebrew so we can play Chaos and I'm playing a chaos undivided Night Lord who at this point might as well be a Khorn Berserker because I just charged towards a group of 30 guardsmen, crit, and made 25 of them explode on a shower of viscera

[past sphinx]

nice job Uzas

[remote wharf]

This almost certainly isn't a hot take, but I do not care for named characters.

[thin ibex]

Yeah not a hot take, that's your prerogative

I have a few i line and a few I don't

But they're take it or leave it for me

[upper canopy]

I mean I think its fine for stories

But being able to do your own guy is way cooler

[thin ibex]

i like em well enough as cool dudes with special rules that represent particular view of the faction; but any time im actually trying to do my thing for my own special guys, im not using named guys

[upper canopy]

(Unless their rules fit your guy perfect)

[finite compass]

One of my several major issues with the current state of Warhammer is that named characters/special characters have gone from 'optional, can only be used with your opponent's permission' to basically compulsory if you want to be anywhere near competitive.

It's especially egregious for armies like World Eaters

Where you have all one one character option that's not a named character

And they have to ride a Juggernaut because That's What's In The Kit ™ (Which is another major issue)

[past sphinx]

the ol primarch curse

[tepid stratus]

Hey now, they have a whole 2 generic characters now!

[thin ibex]

its funny cause tau named characters are completely optional and generally a sidegrade or downgrade depending on whom you ask

[past sphinx]

Hey sunny do you want a codex? well good news theres basically one centerpeice model the entire army is built around!

[tepid stratus]

At least speaking for EC, Lucius is great for certain builds while Fulgrim is a competitive handicap

[jaunty dawn]

The main thing that like “bothers” me is when a named character is straight up a unit otherwise unavailable? Like uh half the space marine characters are whatever but then you get stuff like shadowsun where thats the only stealth hq available etc

[past sphinx]

ulric the slayer was the only wolfpriest you could take until like now

[jaunty dawn]

Bother isnt really the right word cause my closer description is like “this is the category of named character I will loot mercilessly”

To use their mechanics for whatever

When feiros came out there were no primaris techmarines at all. And then hes still the only one in gravis I think

Ummm

I think swarmlord is the only character I own to use as that character. And tyranids is kinda cheating at that

[floral herald]

I don’t have a ton of complaints about the mechanical roles for the CSM named characters but I do think it’s fucked up that there’s 1 (one) jump pack character and he’s black legion not night lords

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah

I guess in aos I have drycha and belthanos tbf

But theyre again like totally unique archetypes in the faction

[desert jay]

If you're CSM codex no one has named characters but Black Legion

[thin ibex]

shadowsun feels like she doesn't really have a role tbh, her aura is ok but doesnt feel in line with her character or the war philosophy she espouses. Her shooting is ok, but she evaporates in melee

[jaunty dawn]

Isnt bile codex

[desert jay]

Oh right forgot Bile

And also forgot Red Corsair guy

[jaunty dawn]

And pirate boy did he make it in

Yeah

[thin ibex]

farsight feels more in line with his war philosophy but also feels a little weak (i do still think he has a wicked sick model)

[desert jay]

Lemme revise that

[thin ibex]

darkstrider is ok but purely utility and could easily be a generic pathfinder character

[tepid stratus]

He's in but his model ain't got sale lol

[jaunty dawn]

I think the named character profile Ive used most is probably Stern and Kyganil cause theyre fun but I use proxies. And for celestine

[tepid stratus]

I use Lucius alot and back when I played CSM I ran Bile in every list

[desert jay]

If you're CSM codex, all the named characters are for post-Heresy warbands/legions (which includes BL)

[rocky shale]

Aeldari win the mandatory named character fight

[floral herald]

Of the 6 CSM named characters only 2 are black legion!

[rocky shale]

Except maybe like WE

[floral herald]

They are the only repeats but…

[jaunty dawn]

Cypher

[floral herald]

Is cypher black legion?

[tepid stratus]

For AOS I liberally use prince Vordrai, sigvald Abraxia

[jaunty dawn]

Whose the sixtH

[tepid stratus]

Dark Angels lol

[floral herald]

Vashtorr

[jaunty dawn]

Pfff

[tepid stratus]

Abaddon, Luthor, Fabius, Cypher, irrelevant jump bro and Vashtor

[jaunty dawn]

That autocorrect

I forgor vashtor

[floral herald]

Really got brutalized by it haha

[tepid stratus]

Because he should be a dark mech character lol

[jaunty dawn]

Cashier of the department store of chaos

[desert jay]

Yeah lorewise Cypher is hanging out with DA Fallen

[jaunty dawn]

I think farsight is like

Has had like multiple iterations of being a totally unique army enabler

[desert jay]

Actually CSM getting a Fallen-themed Detachment is a neat idea

[tepid stratus]

Yeah he's been the core piece for aggro CQC tau since his inception

[jaunty dawn]

Though I do prefer him not being mandatory to playing farsight enclaves

But like there used to be the eight as well

[pale narwhal]

I’m ambivalent towards tau epic heroes

With the new changes none of them are auto takes, they’re all solid but not completely optimal

Shadowsun has been indirectly nerfed by the ftgg changes, and was a niche pick before, farsight is good but maths out about equal to a commander with 4 weapons iirc, and darkstrider is only taken solo for the aura

[pastel rampart]

The one that always got my fucking goat was special characters unlocking army composition, like having to take Belial in order to run a Deathwing army (something you didn't need to do prior to him).

[jaunty dawn]

5th edition space marines haha

[pale narwhal]

I wish we had big-suit epic heroes. A yvahra or rvarna or something

[jaunty dawn]

Literally assumed ultramarines unless you took a character

[finite compass]

There is only one special character I will always unequivocably stan

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-wh40k-sly-marbo-aaaaaa-alfabusa-gif-14316691

[tepid stratus]

Might as well be 10th edition space marines right now. If you aren't running a different chapters special stuff you're basically auto including Calgar or Bobby G

[jaunty dawn]

Pretty much

[remote wharf]

Yeah, making your own little guy is fun, its part of why I like 9th, since that was an option, making you super special captain actually the chapter master, or you librarian a chief librarian.

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah

Especially like

[tepid stratus]

I wish CSM had gotten similar upgrades

[finite compass]

Does HH have less of a 'your dudes' problem?

[jaunty dawn]

Enhancements are so much less useful for that

[finite compass]

I know they have a hell of a lot more unit options

[tepid stratus]

But we don't even get apothecaries despite them being in every other novel

[jaunty dawn]

I think uh

[finite compass]

Instead of 'the unit is exactly what is in the kit and only in the kit'

[jaunty dawn]

Not really, like horus heresy doesnt have relics

[rocky shale]

HH is less your dudes and more "your perfectly lore accurate dudes"

[jaunty dawn]

It has warlord traits but only a few

And then the only thing you really get to customise is weapon loadout

[finite compass]

I mean in terms of it being not HeroHammer

Well...

Named Characterhammer

I don't mind HeroHammer

[jaunty dawn]

So its actually the exact same issue where named characters are the only way to get unique abilities

[finite compass]

(I played VC for crying out loud)

[tepid stratus]

It is THE primarch game

[jaunty dawn]

Outside of a few outliers

Whereas being able to combine a warlord trait and a relic and potentially a point upgrade like in 9th theres orders of magnitude more possibilities for making a mechanically unique character

[remote wharf]

I understand 9th had issues with rules creep, but I don't think 10ths approach of squashing everything down is right either. Psychic powers are just an extra gun and all the combi-weapons are literally the same.

[rocky shale]

Psychic slowly coming back via army rules is a good direction imo

The tsons codex version is cool

[jaunty dawn]

It was kinda dependent on how interesting the rules your army got actually were but like when it was good it was the best the game has ever been for that thing no question imo

The best customisations available in early codexes were more faction wide

I mean I guess it depends how much you care about weapon loadout

[thin ibex]

a thing i do like about the squashing of things is that its way more approachable for a newby and helps games keep moving

which means i was able to rope way more people into learning the game on tts

[floral herald]

I don’t mind not having a psychic phase at all I think it’s usually been boring, but I do mind how the psychic powers in 10e are boring and completely locked to data sheet

[thin ibex]

than i couldve in8th or 9th

[rocky shale]

This might be be me not being a imperium/SM player but stuff like combiweapons not being super finicky never really bothered me because xenos didn't get that stuff anyways

I think psychic powers as army or detachment rules like they've started doing with tsons and that one SM detschment are cool

[thin ibex]

tsons getting their magic n stuff is cool, its also made a bit cooler because of its relative uniqueness

[rocky shale]

But like Aeldari psykers just have buff auras called psychic

[thin ibex]

i dont hate losing psychic phase, most of the psychic abilities ultately did things that were guns or buffs anyway

and as a tau main, it was irrelevant to me

[jaunty dawn]

I think much like many issues with 10th it would be fine if every faction was designed as fun as csm haha

[thin ibex]

im overall very happy with 10th tbh

there are not great things and questionable things

but ive liked it miles more than i liked 8th and 9th

[jaunty dawn]

I like stuff like knight admech detachment

[rocky shale]

The CK cultist detachment is the better of those two afaik

But in concept it's cool

Mainly it's also that the index IK detachment is really really good

[jaunty dawn]

Oh fuck i forgot about cawl

I love him

He was so good in 8th

And like I made my admech army lore to fit him being around (basically torchbearer fleet)

[rocky shale]

I hope we get dark mech or something so CK can have proper allies

Not just 70 cultists

[thin ibex]

the thing i liked least about 8th was how often the game was decided by the who goes first roll

[topaz hinge]

I'm really glad that isn't an issue anymore. Now let me take a big sip of water while I crunch the numbers...

[pale narwhal]

I’m rather happy overall with 10e

But tau and admech have had it rough so that’s been unfortunate. Came back from 8th with my admech army costing 30-40% less points and being awful

[remote wharf]

Or make renegade guard a proper army and not just a kill team.

I will say, I get more and more intersted in AoS as I play around with it on new recruit.

[pale narwhal]

They had that (forge world renegades&heretics)

Long OOP for most of it and didn’t have rules beyond 8e iirc

[jaunty dawn]

They were still playable in 9th as a result

Some of their units are still around in legends too

[floral herald]

I would do dark rituals for a lost and the damned mainline army list

Fell rites too

[jaunty dawn]

Lost and the damned were kinda underbaked tho tbh

Csm steal the spotlight very quickly in vraks

[floral herald]

Yeah I just want more than renegade guard

[sour sequoia]

GSC STAYS WINNIN

ZERO NAMED CHARACTERS ZERO EPIC HEROES LETS GO BABY JOBBER FACTION

[rocky shale]

Isn't the patriarch an epic hero

[sour sequoia]

Not anymore lmao he’s got some stupid ctan type rules to say ‘not an epic hero, can still only take 1, automatically warlord’

[rocky shale]

Oh wack

[sour sequoia]

He’s also honestly just kinda bad outside Biosanctic

I forget he exists

[rocky shale]

My only gripe with epic heroes is that it makes some factions really suck in crusade

See Blood Angels

Or like aeldari

[sour sequoia]

I can honestly say blood angels are strong as shit in crusade even if epic heroes are lame

[rocky shale]

I mean they're fine but you either take the autoinclude epic heroes or you lose like half your unique units

Nobody is thaaaat bad in crusade

They just get clunky without epic heroes

[sour sequoia]

I think Guard and Necrons’ campaign mechanics are a little bit terrible, either practically never getting em or losing em immediately after multiple gambles to attain

GSC’s is goofy as shit and like 13 pages long in true GSC leftist meme wall of text fashion so I sit pretty

[rocky shale]

Im reading GSC's and its hilarious

[sour sequoia]

I was not fucking joking when I said 13 page long leftist meme mechanic

[rocky shale]

"here we know you have 500 units so here's a pile of xp and free requisition but your minigame is a slot machine lmao"

[rocky shale]

someone in my crusade is playing guard and he was like "oh if you kill my warlord I lose CP gain on my turn" and then turn 0 his warlord got killed by unbound daemons

[sour sequoia]

[rocky shale]

Im playing CK and all my rules are just "do politics for cool robot upgrades" and "dont lose or everyone gets mad"

[pale narwhal]

tau's is 'do a whole lot of micromanagement nobody else interacts with for minimal benefit'

which honestly is very true to their faction rule (prior to this latest dataslate anyways)

[main pagoda]

The custodes one is basically just aura farming

[thin ibex]

Isn't the votann mechanic like "you're playing a whole other game also"

[main pagoda]

they have a resource management system aiui

[cinder wraith]

i do

[jaunty dawn]

tyranid crusade is like "hope you own 3 armies worth of models"

[pine matrix]

I wonder what the Dark Eldar crusade will look like, if they'll copy what they did previously with you're taking sections of Commegarah

[floral herald]

Isn’t there a bit preview stream today?

Ooh it’s in 3 hours

[still warren]

HASHUT HASHUT HASHUT!

[paper bluff]

"I beg you, please charge into melee with me. I swear you'll win" 😉

[main pagoda]

i think there is one where it is just

kill everything on the board

[mental birch]

Confucians to bury

[tardy vault]

https://www.twitch.tv/warhammer

Reveal stream in 10

[floral herald]

New LoV character

[tardy vault]

Schemeing robot priest is peak

[floral herald]

Whoa

[soft willow]

Dreadnaughts? Nah, we'll just build a cool robot body for the Ironkin

[floral herald]

I’m getting man of iron vibes

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/d/de/UR025.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20181109222157

They’re back!

[paper bluff]

Is that 5 new units for LoV?

[floral herald]

I think so

They badly need more fellas so this is nice

Was hoping for a big walker but tall robots is nice too

[pastel rampart]

Yeah these are new units

[tardy vault]

With the 3 new multimodel units and the 2 characters they're a range now tbh

[paper bluff]

Many ranges need new ones

[floral herald]

Oooh new named character

[rocky shale]

Oh my god that's so sick

I love everything about votann except for the load bearing fact that they're dwarves

[upper canopy]

is he wearing a tyranid?

[floral herald]

Yeah he’s a real tyranid hater apparently

The last survivor of a league which was wholly devoured by the Tyranids (the squats supposedly) but he clawed his way out and is a roving tyranid hating freelancer now

Also grudge points are being replaced yay

[quaint compass]

Love da ironkin models

[rocky shale]

Maybe if IA continue to get hosed I'll trade my IA stuff for votann lol

[grim mango]

MOLE MORTAR MOLE MORTAR MOLE MORTAR

[dense sedge]

I love this guy’s vibe

[floral herald]

Same

[quaint compass]

It's in

Deep Thoughts

It's

Considering

[still warren]

nice to see new models for tombking

[floral herald]

Yeah I dig these

[rocky shale]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/chuafiji/the-big-summer-preview-reinforcing-the-kindred/

[still warren]

bodes well for all the og old world factions

[rocky shale]

The arkaynst is so good too

The steeljacks are kinda how I wish the entire range looked

[vital barn]

everything there looks pretty drippy apart from the floaty quadbike

[paper bluff]

I don't care what GW puts out for LoV I am not playing them

[vital barn]

I like those mortars, I might grab some and servitorize the crew for Ordo Reductor if they get decent arty in the Legends PDF

[rocky shale]

5 detachments for LoV hahahaha custodes and sisters in shambles

[vital barn]

no interest in playing or reading lore for the dorfs, they kind of annoy me, but the models are nice

[upper canopy]

I did unfortunately get turned off by the LoV but I don't begrudge the people who like them

[pulsar cairn]

Psyker iron kin?

[floral herald]

No a big brain strategist

[pulsar cairn]

Oh what do they do?

[floral herald]

The floating dome things are extra brains

No idea

[pulsar cairn]

I see

[upper bluff]

Congratulations to Votann for being a real army now!

All these new units look sick