Warhammer and Such

[thin ibex]

To balance it out

[spice flicker]

Went with the fleet detachment since it seems like a more generalist one. Here is an updated 750 list.

Might give the inquisitor that one enhancement to give battleline infiltrators to infiltrate the space marines

[thin ibex]

What's it do?

The detach I mean

[rocky shale]

Might be worth it since they need a way to make it up the board

[thin ibex]

As a note I feel like multilayer shoots better into armor because it wounds T10 and T11 on a 5 instead of a 6, even though it lacks AP and d2

[rocky shale]

Chimera with double flamers can be good too as small overwatch threats

[spice flicker]

Adding the enhancement makes the list 745/750 points.

[spice flicker]

Used to enjoy doing that in guard with double flamer catachans.

[rocky shale]

Nice, given the dwkt and the immolator you could probably switch the agents to other guns if you feel like it

[spice flicker]

Maybe

Last time I did a crusade I did chaos knights and figured I'd do something different. Kinda wish IA had more support and options for vehicles and anti/vehicle tbh.

Tentative idea for what I might work towards at 2000 points.

[rocky shale]

Running a blackstar with only 5 dwkt in it is kinda rough

I think you're leaving a fair bit on the table by not taking advantage of some of the really good fleet stuff with breachers and rougue traders

And honestly just subductors being one of the best units in the army

Sanctifiers are also funny flamer spam

[brittle salmon]

Are you set on Imperial Agents in general?

[rocky shale]

Agents wins basically by drowning your opponent in bodies with really strong deployment tricks, taking out a couple key units, then just praying

You will basically never table someone

[brittle salmon]

You are playing an army that Just Has Less Stuff than everyone else

[rocky shale]

The fact that blackstars cost more than armigers is wild

[brittle salmon]

Aircraft are overcosted On Purpose pretty much

[rocky shale]

The vashtorr and disco lord buffs are giving me ideas

S12 Ectoplasm cannons

[desert jay]

And aircraft transports especially

[spice flicker]

How's this for a 2nd attempt at 2k for the crusade?

[mental birch]

Amazingly high movement and mostly cheap units are really good

at that

[upper canopy]

Looks alright and thematic, though I don't know the meta atm

[spice flicker]

Mostly for a crusade

[rocky shale]

Much better, though that's soooo many transports you might struggle to move and hide them

If the goal is to make a traffic jam then its hilarious

[spice flicker]

Can't take away objectives from me if there's a traffic jam getting to the squishies holding them lol.

Honestly might swap the rhinos out but idk what to spend 150 points on

[rocky shale]

More characters and enhancements?

A watch master can be really good for the dwkt

Oh you have the inquisitor with them currently

[spice flicker]

Funny enough that's who the terminator inqusitior was attached to.

[rocky shale]

I would take fleetmaster on the rogue trader, then maybe some inquistors or a navigator to get clandestine ops and combat landers

giving 3 units infiltrators and 3 units deep strike is amazing for 25 pts

Oh you only have 2 breachers so maybe not the deep strike one? You'd want a 3rd breacher squad to give them all deep strike

[spice flicker]

Voidsman+breachers+Landers maybe?

[rocky shale]

Voidsman is either an RTE or navigator

[tranquil ivy]

Do y'all think Hellblasters would work decently for Raven Guard/Vanguard Spearhead?

[past sphinx]

Good old dickhead w/ plasma gun

[empty siren]

The paint collection has grown

[sweet solar]

need a black library votann book thats just treasure planet. replace captain amelia with a rogue trader felinid

actually add in a load of obvious refernces to the old russain treasure planet that became a huge meme too

the treasure ends up being a friendly man of iron who they have to protect from inquisitor Extenditur Johannus Argentus

[west zealot]

It's kinda hsocking to me how good the asehtics are of the vontann, how ruich the implcit storytelling is for the vontann (There's a lot you can do on how their own culture is toxically killing them, their ramaptn captalism, etc)

and how little media there actually is on them

[faint galleon]

makes me wonder what the Black Library book pipeline looks like

[pulsar cairn]

i was wondering

Is the shotgun the arbites have some kind of bolter shotgun or just a very big shotgun?

[hard whale]

I think it's just a big shotgun

[pulsar cairn]

neat

Their guns look cool

[hard whale]

leagues of votann might be the only ones to combine bolter and shotgun

[pulsar cairn]

Really? interesting

I thought for sure the shotgun in bolt gun was like a bolter shotgun

[hard whale]

the shotgun in the game is pretty good

[pulsar cairn]

oh yeah

Lots of fun weapons in that game

[hard whale]

space marines definitely have access to a range of different shot shells, but the hernkyn are the only ones who's shotguns are called "bolt shotguns". And Votann have barely any lore so we don't know what that means

[pulsar cairn]

Right are hernkyn votann as well?

[hard whale]

Yeah, they're the squat scouts

[pulsar cairn]

[hard whale]

As for Boltgun the game, it's totally believable that they put explosives in the shot shells made on Graia, but also maybe stuff explodes because it's a goofy doomlike spinoff

[pulsar cairn]

that's fair

[floral herald]

The boltgun shotgun is the deathwatch shotgun which has (among other things) explosive rounds lore wise

Most shotguns can also fire bolts in general though

[thin ibex]

Is a bolt shotgun assumed to be firing a single bolt or somehow cluster firing the gyrojet rounds?

[main pagoda]

its a cluster of explosive rounds

[thin ibex]

Oh I mean in general, it's noted that votann have bolt shotguns and bolt revolvers. Space Marine shotguns are just Astartes shotguns so it's less implied that it's bolts

[jaunty dawn]

it's like a canister shell of bolts

but standard astartes shotguns aren't bolt shotguns, yeah

[pulsar cairn]

i see, so they do exist at least

[west zealot]

I do love that the Ironkin have holographic projector so they can pretend to be Definitely A Real Dorf to various people

And absolutely not an AI why would you say that, I'm going to go and drink this beer to prove you wrong

Meanwhile, UR-25 "I'm absolutely a mechanicud robot, you can tell because if my imperial Aquila!"

[empty siren]

Leman Russ the type of Primarch to stare his brothers dead in the eyes and eat a fuzzy kiwi, whole, without peeling the skin off

And that's why I love him

[empty siren]

Making my own characters and a datasheet for them is a lot of fun ngl

Genuine question. Why is the Pathfinder box 55 dollars while the firewarriors (our battleline) is 70???

Same amount of models

Pathfinders I'm sure have more bits to them as well because of the 3 options for a Pathfinder drone on top of the two regular drones. As well as ion rifles and rail rifles and the grenade launcher

[past sphinx]

Astartes do have the frag cannon witch is like a giant explosive shotgun

But its frag as in fragments but also as frag grenade

Its aweird gun

[floral herald]

Fire warriors box also builds Breachers

[empty siren]

Ah so a single gun change?

[sour sequoia]

Also older sculpts, I believe? Their refresh was back in like the 6th ed codex

[empty siren]

Just makes me a lil pissed that our battleline is expensive

[quaint compass]

Different heads too

So its a lot of plastics

[sour sequoia]

🤝 the $10 surcharge on warriors for half a scarab unit is annoying as sin and basically just guarantees you end up with a buncha junk scarabs

[thin ibex]

breachers have different heads, guns, shoulder armor, and backpacks

also which pathfinder box are you looking at?

[final tide]

everything getting cheaper can only help big waaagh honestly

[pulsar cairn]

You think an aeldari could get mistaken for a mutant if around more uneducated civilians?

[bright dove]

Until the Aeldari hears that, yes.

[pulsar cairn]

i mean yeah...but i was thinking more of a situation where they would be hiding or something

[thin ibex]

Actually a thing in the game Rogue Trader

Not hiding perse

[pulsar cairn]

Cool

[empty siren]

I'm just listening to people talk about the Tau change

We...we got a nasty buff

From my understanding of what people are saying if the stealthsuits if they're chosen to be observers. Every model in your army who targets the unit they spot, gets rerolls of 1 to hit and wound

[thin ibex]

Yup

Unless any of those other units also spotted

Observer units don't get the bonus BS or rerolls

It's a meaty buff and also why stealth suits are 20 points more expensive

[empty siren]

Same with the Through Unity Devastation. Every model in your army who targets the spotted unit, gets lethal

And the Mont'ka version

We got a HUGE buff

Also Kauyon getting right off rip, guided units ignore any or all modifiers, is actually insane. I don't mind the loss to sustain

Ignoring modifiers army wide for the entire game (if guided) is actually crazy

I'm so happy to be a Tau player

I chose the right army at the right time

[rocky shale]

A lot of battlesuits already ignore modifiers to hit

[empty siren]

Yes. However, in Kauyon, I think it's a decent idea to keep your crisis suits in deepstrike

Giving your small infantry the ability to properly hit while other units score secondaries, is nice

Makes stuff like pathfinders scarier as well

Let your small guys widdle down the enemy and score secondaries while your opponent rushes you because you're Tau and "weak". Then dropping in their open backline with Sunforgers or Starscythes or whatever

Breachers being able to hit like a fucking truck. Then BR3 if they're alive, getting a sustained hit buff

People are scared of breachers. Giving them ignore modifiers is great. Sustained hits benefits your suits most, but giving your small guys a scary buff while your scary guys wait safely in deepstrike

[upper bluff]

I thought this guy was huffing the plasma coolant lmao

[empty siren]

I have time to say what I wanna say cause I feel like I'm being all over the place and repeating myself

[final tide]

hello everyone. someday i will find out how many teleporting units of orks is too many. currently we're at 2/turn of 7 units. its really funny.....

[empty siren]

Ignore modifiers army wide, is helpful, because the stuff that on their datasheet, ignores modifiers. Is the riptide, certain wargear, and fireknives.

Those are a few units and optional wargear

And maybe other units. Anyways

Ignore modifiers can be incredibly helpful for units like hammerheads, and shit, not having to take that support system on broadsides? You get an extra gun!

Seeker, plasma, and railgun? Dude that's some nasty anti tank. You don't need to worry about vehicles in cover or vehicles with the smoke keyword. Let's your infantry push up without needing to worry about the tanks because those tanks are fucked and can't hide

Also, splitfire makes the indirect Broadsides better...well...an okay choice

[thin ibex]

having already tested it, actually a pretty decent choice

though i prefer to run weapon support so i can ignore the minus 1 on smart missiles indirect firing

now means i can hit a tank and sprinkle chaff infantry with damage

[empty siren]

With the split fire I think it makes it reasonable if you DON'T want to move them. It's like, I fire rail then seeker. And I'll throw some shit at the guys holding middle. Deal a wound or two or three

It's a 30" weapon iirc. Shitty profile but even still. It's an extra gun

[thin ibex]

its better than a bolter in every way at least

[upper canopy]

https://bsky.app/profile/oculusimperia.bsky.social/post/3lqxmqm7ue22e

[empty siren]

I think the change to Kauyon, while a bit unfortunate. Is reasonable with the army rule change

[thin ibex]

I like it in aux cadre cause i get 1 AP easily on it

[empty siren]

Obviously, losing sustained hits 2 hurts. But our army rule is better, more streamlined, and the update to some models, is nice

[thin ibex]

then again they also get cover when indirect

[empty siren]

Ignoring modifiers is great for matchups against Deathguard btw

[thin ibex]

loss of sus hits 2 is rough, but sus hits 1 is still good

honestly we have so little anti in our list its weird

[empty siren]

I like the ignore modifiers tho

I think it's unique

As like a detachment rule. I like it

I don't like Kauyons stratagems but I do like that rule

[thin ibex]

I never took much time to memorize them, but I remember they had a better one for breachers than montka

[sonic hare]

nightbringer/deceiver model refresh when?

[empty siren]

Okay they're all not that bad. They're mid

Just the restriction of using them ONLY during and after BR3 pisses me off a lil bit

[thin ibex]

a lot of the tau strats are relatively mid bcause the detachment rule is hella strong

[empty siren]

Photon grenades won me a game, so I'm counting that as the best stratagem in the game

It only won me a game because my opponent failed a 4" charge onto mid field objective where I was performing an action

And had become battleshocked too

[thin ibex]

for me the wombo combo of pheremon waypoints and alien expertise gets me some big game shifter plays

on aux cadre

[empty siren]

I need to play aux

[thin ibex]

to get a big squad of rampagers exactly where my opponent doesnt want em

[empty siren]

It looks like hella fun

[thin ibex]

interlocking maneuvers can be real good, except that most of hte time the unit you want to fall back is so fragile it dies in the fight phase anyway

[empty siren]

Off topic, but this came to mind. I was thinking about doing something weird and stupid

Stealthsuits. One stormsurge in reserves. :)

Rapid ingress a stormsurge (for free) next to the stealthsuits. Backed up by two ghostkeels

Good luck making it past the midboard with two ghostkeels and a fucking stormsurge being silly goobers

Will you dedicate so much resources and firepower to taking them out while I aggressively push up the midboard? Because they're scary. So you either take care of them or try to shoot the infantry behind them. Either way, you're not killing a stormsurge and his two homies in one turn

[thin ibex]

you may be underestimating the damage output of a ghostkeel

[empty siren]

The point isn't damage. The point, is to absorb as much as possible and keep the enemy busy

Clog the enemy's advance with bullshit

While I sit in the back, scoring secondaries and holding objectives. Is this a good strategy. Absolutely not. Is it hilarious to drop a fucking stormsurge in the midboard because lmfao, Tau go BRRRRRRT?? Yes

I love Tau so much I'm so happy with this army

[thin ibex]

It's more the concept of "the ghostkeels will distract them and the enemy will struggle to kill them." The former is possible, but the latter is unlikely. You might be able to squeeze one turn alive out of em, but if you're front screening with em, they're not actually very resilient.

Enemy melee specialists get into em, they're usually toast

[empty siren]

True

I'll run two stormsurges then /j

The concept of this dumb idea was basically because I thought it'd be hilarious to rapid ingress a fucking titanic weapons platform

Imagine seeing a stealthsuit team. Oh they're easy to kill. Only three, pretty weak. Stealth is a bit difficult but not too bad. Then suddenly, teleporting in, like a fucking pokemon, is a stormsurge

Wait dumber idea. Rapid ingress a Ta'unar Supremacy Armour

[empty siren]

If I ever play Tau on table top sim again, I'm doing this nonsense

[sour sequoia]

Pretty sure my TO is about to start doing this since he’s starting to get bored of krootmaxxing

[empty siren]

Good gooood

Rapid increasing a Ta'unar Supremacy Armour for free, on a unit that can infiltrate. Based asf

[tranquil ivy]

Chat

I'm about to spend £50 for capes, power fists, a giant sword, jump packs and tyranid chitin to make a Judiciar and a Jump Pack Captain

Do I go through with this purchase

£50.78

Augh

Fuck it. We ball.

[pastel rampart]

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[tranquil ivy]

I did not buy it.

However.

Im gonna save my cash. It's better to paint my minis than buy even more

[pulsar cairn]

just explained a bit of warhammer to a friend

i quoted bricky and he lost it

[empty siren]

Explaining Warhammer is always fun

[empty siren]

Stormtalus, you seem more knowledgeable about T'au than I. I had a few questions cause I need advice for a 2k game

What is Mont'ka like?

[thin ibex]

its aggressive

you want to jocky for control and position extremely fast, take risky plays for big wins

You want to be in your control and shooting positions by round 3 of course

you have to either be on clean up or on blocking duty for round 3-5

[empty siren]

Ngl, that's how I played Kauyon as well😭

[thin ibex]

well you know, montka gives you a lot more access to being able to advance and shoot

meaning everyone is more mobile

its really good for things like broadsides

[empty siren]

Hyper aggressive. Drop mid board, immediately start doing actions for secondaries, threatening and forcing a slow army (Deathguard) to play around cover

I'm just worried about playing against Deathguard while being aggressive as Mont'ka

[empty siren]

I do love missile-sides

[thin ibex]

you need to coordinate your fire to take out the biggest threats to you aggressively

oh i meant for rails, being able to advance and still drop shots from a good angle after moving out from cover that kept them safe

[empty siren]

I was thinking of running four strike teams because of that. Breachers are good and all, but having a unit that gives out -1 to hit on melee and shooting is nice.

If I can't kill them, I can ensure I'm more difficult to hit

[empty siren]

Oh I see

I'll likely run two units of two broadsides. One all missiles, the other rail. I miiight be running two hammerheads

That should cover my anti tank, especially for a 2k game

[thin ibex]

it means that you can deploy the hammerheads/railsides in cover and advance them out to shoot effectively, weirdly

[empty siren]

Mmmm....I might run Kauyon again. I wanna try Mont'ka but the change to Kauyon makes me really wanna try it

[thin ibex]

id try it if you get teh chance, try all the detaches

see what really fits

[empty siren]

Yeah so far I've done experimental which was...it was okay. Not bad. It was okay

Kauyon, I liked a lot. It made me strategize and forced me to play well

I wanna try Mont'ka but I'm just sorta itching for Kauyon again. The ignore modifiers is just...🤌I love it

[thin ibex]

the thing about montka imo is you need to take tighter risks with bigger pay offs

[empty siren]

I should try it out tbh

It seems fun. I just need to focus and not fuck up lol

[thin ibex]

tau changes are live

on new recruit

also it looks like on waha

[tired cairn]

Looks like Tyranid updates made it too

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[pulsar cairn]

so we talked about how they managed to fix the imperial fists issue with primaris does that mean their gene seed is stable now? or did they have more problems outside of the things they cut in order to produce marines faster?

[floral herald]

The IFs are sort of a special case because it’s less decay and more that during the Horus heresy they cut out some of the less important ones to speed up the process

And because they’re stubborn and rogal dorn died they never added them back

[pulsar cairn]

i see, so it was more of an issue with the production than the gene seed itself

[floral herald]

Yeah it was a quirk of their inductii process iirc

There’s some lore that they were basically always missing them even at the beginning of the heresy

[upper canopy]

The IF seed is also pretty stable

It just has the most interesting organs missing

In a dedicated effort to make the IF boring

[floral herald]

They make up for the boringness with the poop vault

[pulsar cairn]

I...forgot that was a thing

[pastel rampart]

Don't forget the tramp stamp.

[soft willow]

And scrimshawing your own bones.

[pulsar cairn]

Whats a tramp stamp...?

I do not know what scrimshawing means either but in a little scared to ask

[soft willow]

Also the pain glove gets an honorable mention here too yeah?

[pulsar cairn]

Magic pain glove

[soft willow]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scrimshaw

[tired cairn]

A wide tattoo on the lower back

[pulsar cairn]

Ouch

[tired cairn]

(I don't know the origins of the term)

[pulsar cairn]

IF are kinda of weird in a funny way

[floral herald]

Also their weird locked in duels

Space marines used to have a lot of tattoos in general iirc

It’s I think less emphasized now

The dark angels did a lot of face tattoos

And the ultramarines had a bunch

Abaddon is also supposedly pretty heavily tattooed

[tired cairn]

But he made sure all his tattoos are in places that are easily covered

Also, what is going on with his neck and upper shoulders

[floral herald]

I guess cthonian gang tats are meant to be concealable

[tired cairn]

Got to keep in mind your future job prospects if you ever escape the cthonian underground

[pulsar cairn]

Considering the IF like to recruit scum from the low levels of hive cities i imagine they all got tattoos

"Recruit"

More like they kidnap them

[runic swallow]

Basically people seeing young women in the early late 90s/2000s have them combined with low cut pants/shorts and higher cut shirts, and declaring them to be a sign of “loose moral fiber” to turn a phrase

Basically some people thought it was tacky and were horny about it

Also scrimshaw is pretty cool, very long tradition of it across multiple cultures

[tired cairn]

I'm assuming not generally on your own bones though

[runic swallow]

I seem to remember that there’s been a few cases of people doing it to their own in cases where they lost a hand or leg

But yeah generally no, it’s usually animal bones

Probably most famously to people who do know about it is whaler scrimshaw, which is really interesting on an artistic and cultural basis but also oof, whaling

Anyhow this is off topic, sorry

[desert jay]

Yeah whaler scrimshaw was a thing because of the tons of whalebone left over from hunting whales for lamp oil

[pulsar cairn]

poor whales

[desert jay]

And also working aboard a ship varies between needing 50 hands doing work at a time and needing 5, so there's a lot of free time

[hard whale]

This is a common misconception that really bugs me. The Imperial fists don't have tattoos on their lower back, it's on one side of the buttocks. Technically, it's a cutie mark

[thin ibex]

just caught my opponent with a 6" deepstriking monolith and then using the eternity gate to pull skorpekhs

that shit feels so fucking cool

[upper bluff]

Hyper Crypt legion is just cool enough for a detachment built around a $200 piece of plastic

[desert jay]

Monolith is HOW MUCH?

Fuck, wow

[runic swallow]

Damn, they went up in price a good bit since I last remember them

[desert jay]

Why does it cost more than the Tesseract Vault kit?

[upper bluff]

Tariffs or Forge world idk

[upper canopy]

Alfa has cajoled me to make a tier list of the 10 jokes the 40k community has

[floral herald]

I found the perfect chart

(This is unfair some of them are ok)

[upper canopy]

I need images for all of them is the problem

Current one I had to make myself

[sour sequoia]

The skorpekh/sword and board lychguard/wraiths gank is huge

[untold swallow]

This is every faction except the orks and tyranids

[sour sequoia]

Most of my crusade games were won on the back of how much you can crank overlords in that format and then using a monolith to dump them at people

[upper canopy]

It's Racism using Tau

[finite compass]

mention Custodes being camp gay in there.

Just so you can hit him with the 'You alone are responsible for this'

[upper canopy]

I'm not using any memes that spawned from TTS

[finite compass]

Aaaaw

https://tenor.com/view/tts-custodes-pillar-men-gif-15519847

[untold swallow]

fair lol

[upper canopy]

Also the Tau bit is definitely "This is thinly veiled actual racism against Asian people"

"Just you're saying the Tau so you think it's okay"

[untold swallow]

also wait you know the guy who made tts?

[upper canopy]

[finite compass]

Voy writes for Hunter: the Parenting, IIRC

[upper canopy]

I wrote for TTS too

[untold swallow]

damn nice

[upper canopy]

There is a non-zero chance that a manic episode I had where I was loaded up on 5 chocolate bars during an eating binge and thinking about how much I fucking hated the Dark Eldar resulted in Sly Marbo getting a new model

[finite compass]

The Kevin Plushie in-universe advertisement still remains my favorite bit

[upper canopy]

Alfa has one very funny voice that I hate but it does genuinely never get old

[sour sequoia]

Thank you for your service

[finite compass]

TBF it's mostly the Kevin reactions

[upper canopy]

I also wrote the skeleton for the Tabletop adventure

[finite compass]

https://tenor.com/view/tremere-antitribu-tremere-vampire-wizard-kindred-vampire-gif-6044117499908323633

[upper canopy]

and I wrote the Australia Video

[floral herald]

I was looking for the most run into the ground 40k community jokes but I ran into this which was actually kinda good

[upper canopy]

This feels like it was originally about the actual Marines

[finite compass]

I think it was

Because this sounds very familiar to me

[floral herald]

yeah it's gotta be

[upper canopy]

What image do I use for "Every super stereotypical representation of Chaos"

[sour sequoia]

Yeah thats a jarhead joke

[upper canopy]

Cuz I feel like that's all "one joke"

[upper canopy]

Can't use gifs

Also I'm more doing like

[finite compass]

I figured, that just amuses me greatly for some reason

Wait

[upper canopy]

"Ha ha Khorne blood and Slaanesh sex and Nurgle stinky and JUST AS PLANNED"

[finite compass]

Is there any fanart of Firaeveus Carron floating around...

The 'Metal Bawkses' guy

[floral herald]

Oh this might be good entry art

[upper canopy]

OH

I almost forgot Heresy

ty

[charred bridge]

GW cowards for retconning being naked with wearing black cloaks

[upper canopy]

https://i.imgur.com/yhCiqqY.png

Current

Oh wait

https://i.imgur.com/10ItlIn.png

The Emperor Is An Idiot thing is every unironic emperor stanning

[past sphinx]

got my new space wolves box and im buildin grey hunters, yall reckon the power fist leader is as obvious a choice as it seems to me?

[upper canopy]

Ork Posting can be some of the funniest 40k memes

[floral herald]

yeah

[upper canopy]

Which is the only reason it's up there

[desert jay]

Is one of them gonna be cringy Black Templar deus vult?

[past sphinx]

FISTIN TIME

[finite compass]

I'm assuming the Krieg is basically the 'lolshovel' bullshit

[upper canopy]

I feel like that's not fully one of the Main Run Into The Center of The Earth 40k jokes

[past sphinx]

angy marines are such an old meme i think its nearly fully retired now

[upper canopy]

ya

IT'S BACK

[past sphinx]

or it turned into templars

[desert jay]

Also come on Yvraine/Roboute shipping is C-tier, or at least in comparison

[finite compass]

I also feel Creed deserves a higher tier

Just for actually being based on something you could do RAW that was hilarious

[upper canopy]

Yvraine Roboute shipping is my least favorite because I actually thought Yvraine's character was fun and interesting and it absolutely obliterated her as a character

I would put it lower if I was being pettier

[past sphinx]

god creed isnt even still kicking around\

i feel old

[desert jay]

Okay fair

[upper canopy]

OH

[floral herald]

mood

[finite compass]

Creed ceased to be a relevant joke in like 6th edition

[upper canopy]

Toaster

[past sphinx]

creeds so old their a woman now

[upper canopy]

Can't forget toaster memes

[finite compass]

Because before that you actually COULD do the "A Baneblade was hidden behind the privet hedge the whole time." with him

[upper canopy]

https://i.imgur.com/6KHAFio.png

The 10 jokes

[finite compass]

I feel 'Heresy' needs its own tier

Like FFF

[upper canopy]

You might be right

I do not know how to make new tiers

[past sphinx]

angry marines deserve a B due to the sheer amount of work that went into it

[upper canopy]

AbsoLUTELY not

[finite compass]

Most of the Fs can be funny on occasion

Heresy is just low effort and trite at best

[desert jay]

Gear button -> Add a Row Below

[finite compass]

and extremely sus at worst

[upper bluff]

What's even the joke with chaos?

Just heresy but the other way?

[finite compass]

The joke is Chaos acting like stereotypical Chaos

"Slaanesh is weird porn, Tzeentch is randomly changing your plan every 10-30 seconds, Nurgle is stinky, Khorne is Doom Music"

[upper canopy]

Yeah

I could add like

googley eyes to get the point across more I guess

but that's efforrt

[finite compass]

The problem is there's a definite image that works for the gods individually

But not one that really works for all four of them at once

[upper canopy]

yeah

https://i.imgur.com/P2xT3P3.png

I guess Primarch Posting would also count

but idk how to represent that

[upper bluff]

My favorite 40k joke is just that one image of all the chaos legions thinking "I'm playing chaos like a fiddle" or whatever

[upper canopy]

I think I've reached the end of my patience with this whim

Finalized

[upper bluff]

No you're not done until the people in your computer say you are 😠

[past sphinx]

mispronoucing Robutes name, somewhere between the pits of hell and SSS

[upper bluff]

Robert Girlyman

[desert jay]

I mean you could collage the four individual pics together

[past sphinx]

rowboat gorrillaman

[upper canopy]

The Robute name joke is actual "can be s-tier"

[rocky shale]

Can you also put the Imperial Agents codex in the actual garbage can XD

You can have mine

[upper bluff]

Stole grey knights hammers and gave them to the inquisition

[rocky shale]

I actually made a list about this

The real worst 40k meme is everything your average black Templar player says while trying to make a joke

[upper bluff]

Tru

[upper canopy]

I did kinda just want to put a swastika in

for "unironic fascism"

[floral herald]

My experience with Black Templar players is fine

Black Templar internet fans though

[upper bluff]

Also tru

[finite compass]

Put the guy from the one 40k/Helldivers meme

The "I LOVE SUPERFASCISM" guy

[upper bluff]

As much as I crap on the imperial agents codex I do love the idea of the navy detachment

[misty violet]

Almost everyone who can actually put in the effort, time, and has a good and stable enough job to afford to build and paint a real army is probably better adjusted than the keyboard warrior fandoms for every faction

[rocky shale]

Fair lmao

[upper bluff]

The detachment is cool I just wish there was an actual army to go with it

[rocky shale]

I loooooove imperialis fleet I just wish there was like an army rule or a single ranged weapon over S9 outside of aircraft

[misty violet]

I wish GW hadn't just given up on balancing aircraft altogether

[upper bluff]

Yeah, there really isn't any reason why an inquisitor couldn't source a Leman Russ

The archeopters are so cool...

I want to airdrop my Skitarii with a davinci helicopter jet

[misty violet]

My single favorite unit in all of 40k is the Voidraven and mine has literally been gathering dust for three editions

[upper bluff]

Ouch that hurts

DarkWing got no love

(that is the jet dark angels right?)

(because they're the first legion and get special boy toys)

[misty violet]

It's the Dark Eldar Jet-bomber

[upper bluff]

Ohhhhh

Well that's just sadder

[misty violet]

The glass canopies, the multiple darklances, the antimatter bomb, the implications about what a Dark Eldar military not run by coked out gangsters riding in tricked out hover hoopties could look like

It all speaks to me

[upper bluff]

11th will surely bring back aircraft...

[misty violet]

Also, hilariously, like all DEldar vehicles even their jet aircraft have knives attached to attack in melee

[upper bluff]

Hey those knives are important for the aesthetics

[rocky shale]

Voidraven is one of the most playable aircraft in the edition, fwiw

[misty violet]

Oh definitely, but it still feels like it struggles to justify itself vs other options

I do think the DEldar are in a pretty satisfyingly balanced spot, especially internally

[upper bluff]

I hope that is any faction gets to keep their aircraft it's deldar

A strafing run with fighter jets feels very on theme

[upper canopy]

I want the orks to have good planes

[upper bluff]

True

They even got a detachment

[misty violet]

Honestly yeah, somehow the orks seem like the faction for whom their aircraft feel the most essential

[empty siren]

YAY

[west zealot]

Vote Tyrannid for a better, hungrier galaxy.

[past sphinx]

now this is a violent man

These guys are kinda my dream primaris, slick rescaled and slightly remixed older suits in fresh new digital sculpts

It wouldn't have worked for intercessors as a corpo pitch but man I kinda wish it did

[empty siren]

I'm so glad Tau can split fire now

[unreal cosmos]

these guys are gonna be my new 30k army

idk if I'm even gonna bother with the knee flanges

I haven't decided if I prefer "sticking it to rivet counters" or "being left alone by rivet counters"

[upper canopy]

Alfa is aghast I did not include Boreale

[finite compass]

TBF, Dawn of War voiceacting should be its own category in general.

[jaunty dawn]

No one talks about tactical geniuses anymore 😔

[jaunty dawn]

A rivet counter who would be fine with them just removing the knee flanges isnt a rivet counter tbh

Either way just do what you prefer

[desert jay]

Throwing a bucket of loose rivets on the ground to distract them, like a vampire

[thin ibex]

You know an interesting dynamic for this little league I'm in? No marine meta. We have 1 space marine player and 1 world eaters player

We have 2 guard players

So the general wisdom of "favor stuff that can kill marines" isn't as paramount compared to normal tournament meta

[past sphinx]

The real problem is the lack of good special weapon access, grey hunters and blood claws have a grand total of 0 in the kits and all of your arms are gonna be a little wonk with conversions do to the full tilt a lot of em have in stride

[unreal cosmos]

I'm prepared for this

I'll keep the torso angles in mind tho

[empty siren]

This is an idea

I wonder if I could get an okay kitbash using Kroot and the necromunda ash waste nomads

[normal sage]

What’s a good way, as a quite old Warhammer player who doesn’t want to spend a fortune on models still, to get into, say, Kill Team?

[main pagoda]

buy a kill team, it is basically a one time purchase in terms of models. All the rules tokens etc come with the kit, the game rules themselves can be access online

[normal sage]

Thank goodness, I remember having to buy 3 boxes of boyz back in the day for a fortune just to make one squad lol

[main pagoda]

kill team is a box vs box game for the most part

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408609553597464579/1381109321500328048/image.png?ex=6846fa8a&is=6845a90a&hm=c3416c307880f4e394cdf1a89ba3ef45d80f507392142f7db1be8d4af9a9a97e&

[rocky shale]

Some kill teams are multiple boxes but there are plenty single boxes

[dense idol]

kill team's changed a lot from its high-jank homebrew ruleset / first edition

[main pagoda]

cost wise its £30-£50 all in all not including paints

[rocky shale]

There's also boarding patrol as a low investment game mode that's a little more fun than combat patrol

[normal sage]

It’s okay I have my Battletech paint. lol.

Hm. Now to pick a faction…

[main pagoda]

the main hamstringing in terms of kill team imho is making a game table

but if you play at a LGS then who cares about that

[normal sage]

It’ll be at an LGS most likely

Should I be worried about a “meta” lol

[main pagoda]

do you ever intend to play competitive

and remember a meta only lasts a month or two these models are lifeling ish

[normal sage]

Only a month or two? Stuff cycles that fast?

And no, probably not, but always good to look out for the sweats lol

[mental birch]

Low investment for the player

Rip whomever has to paint the terrain 😦

[main pagoda]

such is the burden of LGS staff

[mental birch]

Building is also a naff

[normal sage]

Hm. Stuck between Aquillons and Kommandos.

[mental birch]

Do you like having 2/3 of your team not on the battlefield turn 1? And coming in later?

[normal sage]

I mean, yeah, dropping in sounds cool

https://tenor.com/view/klendathu-starship-troopers-3080drop-gif-18832416

[floral herald]

Some kill teams benefit from having more than one box (or magnetizing) but broadly speaking you start playing with a box of models

[floral herald]

No KT is very well balanced now

You can ignore the meta until you’re playing in competitive tournaments and then you can still disrespect it

[thin ibex]

The Meta as far as I can tell is also fairly fluid because they function on a "seasonal" system right?

[rocky shale]

Just don't paint it

[rocky shale]

I'm like halfway through just FDM printing a set

[floral herald]

The meta has changed much faster than the seasons so far

[empty siren]

I feel bad

I played Tau against Deathguard

Wiped pox walkers with only Fireknives...

Obliterated his rhino. Then his two blight haulers. His rhino then deadly demised

Turn one...

I feel so bad

[upper bluff]

Sometimes the game just happens like that

Dice moment

[sour sequoia]

DG’s got one of the most cranked codexes in the game rn, do not feel bad

Outgunning at range is pretty much the only solution

[past sphinx]

Sponge painted a space wolf and I think this is what I'm going to go with

[unreal cosmos]

Nice!

I'm still debating a scheme for mine

[pastel rampart]

Bust out the black paint and get some hazard stripes on the chainsword

[past sphinx]

As is only right, good and true

[past sphinx]

Vallejo luftwaffe grey uniform, ww2 is an awful name for a paint but is a really nice blueish grey for something more 30k

[west zealot]

We just need a writer to sneak in a refrence to a moo-deng chaos beastie thing by describing it in turerms that are just obscuvre enough

[floral herald]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/bjbrd9xf/kill-team-mountainside-tabletop-dig-deep-into-the-rules-of-the-raveners-and-battleclade/

These teams are nuts looking

[brittle salmon]

Holy fuck 20 wounds

[floral herald]

Some real chunky beasts

The servitors seem real cool too

Can trade action actions and surprise-activate already gone models

[brittle salmon]

Yeah, I imagine Battleclade are gonna be a very high skill ceiling

But will probably go crazy in a good players hands

[past sphinx]

Good news for those waiting on the ol Astral coyotes, grey hunters and blood claws kits have a bunch extra bits for doggofying base codex units

[jaunty dawn]

The tunnel is a cool way to make 5 operatives work

[humble plover]

20 wounds 5up saves is crazy lol

I'm just getting into KT and was planning on picking up Raveners, and they seem like they're gonna be wild

[floral herald]

They definitely will yeah

Very interesting looking team

[humble plover]

I'm new to Warhammer in general actually, and I'm not sure how GW usually announces this stuff. Is that article the only rules preview we have, or is there more info that I just can't find?

[floral herald]

It’s the only text rules preview

There was a stream which had a little

Just wait for the weekend the pre-order system will leak like a sieve

[jaunty dawn]

There might be more during the week but everything will be out in reviews on saturday yeah

[floral herald]

True there may be more previews this week

There probably will be one for the PvE stuff in the box

[humble plover]

Good to know!

[deft crest]

I hope to christ they aren't miserable to fight against with a swarm team

[floral herald]

Raveners or roboys?

[deft crest]

i also hope Kasrkin get a buff so we can actually BE an elite hunter team

Raveners

I havent even thought about the robots admittedly

I played the classic tyranid team in both of the recent editions before 2e removed em so

Me picking this team up and hoping they wont be like

Oppressive af

[floral herald]

Kasrkin have also gotten a few buffs and are pretty much fine now

[deft crest]

I think they could see a hair more love tbh

[floral herald]

Still very vanilla but the only reason they’re struggling competitively is because all the strong asf teams are hordes, heirotek, or phobos

And Kasrkin doesn’t match well into Sanctifiers aiui

[deft crest]

Ill keep trying them but

Damn its rough into half these teams that like, just do not care about how much you can pump into them

Nightlords are a constant pain

Also they dont get to ignore their own Melta Mine and thats messed me up more than once

They are vanilla but they feel like they are just a hair too fair against a lot of teams.

Weird thing to say i know but

I guess ill just try and use Auspex scan more because i feel like thats the key part im missing

[pulsar cairn]

Question

Did mechanicum ever try to servitorize a xenos?

[floral herald]

Yeah

It’s uncommon cause it’s kinda tech-heresy to mix “glorious human technology” with alien stuff but it’s happened both in secret and under the sanction of the inquisition

[pulsar cairn]

How did it go?

[jaunty dawn]

Theres industrial use of servitorised ambulls

But those arent really xenos just alien life

[pulsar cairn]

Isnt there a term for them? Xenos familiars or something?

[past sphinx]

AMBOTS MENTIONED

[tepid stratus]

Auspex is critical. It's strong to the point they had to explicitly exclude it from being used in inquisitorial agents

[tepid stratus]

laughs in fellgors

[tired cairn]

Oh, it's really cool seeing that channel get an article on the official Warhammer site. I really like their battle report format

[floral herald]

Same

[tired cairn]

Huh, I was expecting the Techno-archeologist to be an alternative leader choice instead of the only one. I'm really curious as to how they are going to do the standalone release now

[floral herald]

I think it’s kinda funny how it’s a combat unit of servitors and this guy they’re with

[tired cairn]

Yeah lol

[floral herald]

I think it’s fitting for a techno-archeologist though

I like the narrative of the bold action scientist and the techy but pressed bodyguards

[thin ibex]

Wait are Ambots in KT?

Also what are anchors Ambots exactly?

[tired cairn]

Ambots?

[thin ibex]

These things

Bot versions of Ambulls I guess

[floral herald]

They’re in necromunda

[tired cairn]

the other Kill Team

[floral herald]

Yeah haha

It’s super different in tone though

[thin ibex]

Ohh ok

[floral herald]

Kill team is like “operators operating operationally” and Munda is like “ok so the attack misses my plasma gunner but he gets scared and falls down and the spaghetti in his pockets spills all over the map”

[past sphinx]

High speed low drag operators vs bum fights

[paper bluff]

If I were to get into necromunda I feel like I would get into the malstrain

[thin ibex]

Hmm, hypothetically if you were building a list specifically to hard counter World Eaters, how would you do it?

I'm thinking a bunch of fights first or fight on death melee might work

Or in general, big melee vehicles

[paper bluff]

Yeah big melee vechicles

[rocky shale]

30 howling banshees

[paper bluff]

10 custodes

[quaint compass]

Light infantry :]

[paper bluff]

10 thousand rats

[past sphinx]

Screening chaff and big guns with blast behind it

[deft crest]

By ALSO playing Worldeaters

But better

[sour sequoia]

Screening chaff helps but you gotta space a lil differently for risk of 6” consolidation moves

[past sphinx]

Woe vindicator be upon ye ass army

[thin ibex]

Vindicator and vindicator-likes seem quite good at that yeah

Though even a vindicator folds under volume lethal

[paper bluff]

Screen with an obelisk

[thin ibex]

hey ive always wanted to use one

also been meaning to try and fit a tesseract arc into a list

[pulsar cairn]

Are Arbites from the schola?

[main pagoda]

yes

they are the only imperial level law enforcement

[pulsar cairn]

What about the planets local law enforcement?

[main pagoda]

planet to planet

some are basically just irl police

others are more heavy or soft handed

check out the warhammer crime stuff

its really good

[floral herald]

They're usually called Enforcers and are basically a sort of inferior replication of the arbites

[pulsar cairn]

i see

[tardy vault]

the American comparison would be the Arbites is the FBI while the Enforcers are just the local PD.

[floral herald]

Yeah

It doesn't quite hold because the Arbites are first pointed at the local government before anyone else but it is true

[thin ibex]

I'd also note that it's pretty normal for hive worlds to have arbites fortress precincts.

[pulsar cairn]

Interesting

[thin ibex]

So it's not like they're just hanging out waiting for high level stuff to happen

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ2lRigodi0&feature=youtu.be

[thin ibex]

rules question

Can a unit of world eater berserkers emark on a transport in their movement phase of a turn

then

use aggressive disembarkation to disembark in the same phase?

as i understand it, you cant embark and disembark in the same phase

but the strategem explicitly allows you to disembark with modified rules

[main pagoda]

while it does modify the disembarking rules it doesn't override the fact you cant embark and disembark same phase aiui

[west zealot]

In one of Peter Fehavri's novels, there's a Skiitari Alpha made out of a tau

[pulsar cairn]

how did that happen?

[rocky shale]

lobotomy

[soft willow]

There are Ork servitors that get called Tech Heresy in I think Forges of Mars.

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1381726052371660840/RDT_20250609_155721.mp4?ex=6848902a&is=68473eaa&hm=0bea8c828fa965fcc85179de82c9ef99dddd5377399f39fb9c7cc2c6ecb06389&

[runic swallow]

Darktide and Mechanicus have realized that the coolest 40k soundtrack is weird ass synths and organ music

[charred bridge]

Darktide's track is what i want to headcanon its what all the gothic is for, theres a giant ship sized church organ playing music and its so loud at the source only servitors can survive the intense vibrations to maintain it.

You're on a prison barge when you hear https://youtu.be/--2Ztdrppo8?list=PL_8OPzy1Q4QBe2bE-X2REDfs-92R99cX0&t=150

When you're a guardsmen and hear boss music https://youtu.be/olqaqM21Dro?t=5840

[tardy vault]

great fucking mid event too

for those that don't know: when this plays you're running through a randomized path of vents crawling with enemies as a siren goes off (with the beat) and emergency lights are playing

[finite compass]

Also this in the final area of the one Carnival mission

But doing the thing where the music changes depending on what's going on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDBUXzWlcas

0:00 to 0:52 - entering the final area
0:52 to 1:35 - Scanning
1:35 to 2:40ish - Running like hell from endless hordes and smashing equipment
2:40 to end - Final holdout

[jagged dawn]

https://open.spotify.com/track/0T7e4R5tXvu0CYf8yRR75k?si=gpnTCthLR3C0h_UI3s6dmQ&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A2MorNFoa0orgkZEoX0FUcn

[west zealot]

They got coil'd

(his books all take place in a sub setting called The Dark Coil. Shit gets freaky)

[still warren]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/1ovkvf4r/old-world-almanack-building-the-celestial-empire-of-grand-cathay/

[deft crest]

The armor looks so tactile I wanna rub my faceagainst it

[junior robin]

finally...yeah I got no clue what this is supposed to be 🤔

[desert jay]

A tactical rock (there's a Primaris Lieutenant on top)

[junior robin]

maybe its the base for Corvus Corvax they rumour engined last week (acording to my theory at least)

[floral herald]

What was the rumor engine last week?

[junior robin]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/owcpxu44/the-rumour-engine-3rd-of-june/

the material sort of looks simillar actually 👀

[floral herald]

Huh

That may be a real good eye

[pastel rampart]

Primaris lieutenant with power fork on tactical rock

[sonic hare]

not nightbringer

[thin ibex]

Not a tactical rock, primaris rock

[sonic hare]

cawls greatest creation

[past sphinx]

Curze model

He got better

[tepid stratus]

If it is night lords I'd hope it's the Death of Saints. He was the antagonist of the Morven Vahl novel and dude was a baller

[unreal cosmos]

Oh? I'm listening

[empty siren]

I want a Ta'unar Supremacy Armour Model so BAD

Now that Tau can split fire, fuck it'd be a monster on the table

I love having 3 pulse drivers which have 8 attacks, hit on 4s, 5 strength, -1 ap, 3 damage. Anti infantry 2+! 4 burst cannons, 4 smart missile systems, fusion eradicator, and tri axis ion cannon. Which both can be replaced with another fusion eradicator or another tri axis ion for two of either-or. Mmm 5 attack melta-3 weapon with 24" range🤤

Rerolls of 1 against spotted units btw

GOD ITS SO COOOOOL

I NEEEEEEED

Run Kauyon for ignore modifiers without even needing BR3 for sustain. Just ignoring modifiers because I will hit your little dudes. Oh you have cover? You're spotted by a marker light unit. No you don't. We also have indirect weapons :3

We're gonna get nerfed aren't we....

[runic swallow]

It’s just such a more interesting vibe than the traditional heroic Dawn of War orchestra, you know? Not that the DoW soundtracks are bad, I just think the way Darktide and Mechanicus get weird with it represents the vibe of the setting a bit better, since it is a mix of high tech and gothic

As in the architectural and artistic thing, not Siouxsie Sioux or Bauhaus

[thin ibex]

Really depends on hour well new Tau perform at a tournament level, they've been on the low end for a bit now. It's why we got the buff in the first place

[empty siren]

Also the people piloting the Tau

[floral herald]

Also other changes around the meta

[empty siren]

I know our rules are more streamlined for people to understand it better

[floral herald]

It’s always hard to guess how a faction will shake out

[empty siren]

So I hope to see more Tau in tournaments

[empty siren]

I think Tau will be in a decently okay spot for casual play

I felt a bit too broken against Deathguard in the 2k game I played. Apparently the most range he has is 48"

[floral herald]

I mean yeah you’re gonna have a range advantage vs most armies

[empty siren]

Tau W

[floral herald]

DG are just tough as shit and crushing up close

[empty siren]

Oh god yeah. He never got to be in that range though in the three games we played

Because I was either running away or if I saw him pushing for the charge, I sent all my firepower at the threat, and still had enough firepower for the anti tank stuff. Tau feel good to play so far. And I'm hoping we get more people playing them in tournaments

I never experienced old Tau, but I've heard the horror stories of people going against them when they were at their peak. I don't want it to be that bad. Because that's not fun to see. I want Tau to be challenged so people find new strategies so I can adopt them or learn from them. But I also don't want Tau to be absolutely stomped. I think now is a great time for them though. I wanna see an underdog moment

I have hope for Tau. I like seeing my favorite faction doing well in experienced and new hands :)

[pastel rampart]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/498260601127043073/1381844398152745051/IMG_5373.jpg?ex=6849a721&is=684855a1&hm=b9be8ef53eb7b9b99a023fb65f3bd0245c89045d068f54af021d4796c54dfd1b&format=webp&width=1745&height=1344&

[bright dove]

Poor Petty Perty doesn't need to be called out like this

[empty siren]

Idk anything about the Horse and his Hearsay. So I wanna ask. Did the Emperor or the Primarchs see anything that was troubling during Horuses decline to chaos? Like, idk, maybe a brother being worried

Like, a "Yo bro, you good?" moment?

Or did they just see Horus as perfect or as a rival and just ignore it or just never saw it because they assumed he had everything under control. Or was it like, so sudden and quiet that it was jarring

[bright dove]

It was active sabotage and all Erebus's fault

For some of the traitor primarchs, it's was a matter of when they would snap

Namely Angron, Perturabo, and Kurze

[empty siren]

Angron is understandable

I mean...he was already going fucking crazy and HATED the Emperor. So like, makes sense that he'd jump at the opportunity

I'm surprised he didn't fall before Horus

[bright dove]

Fulgrim had to get possessed to start the fall. Without that push, I don't think he turns

[pastel rampart]

Angron's was perhaps the easiest to prevent if Emps had just committed some of his forces to the planet and help out Angy's people. Even a token effort would've ensured some amount of loyalty.

[bright dove]

But he got impatient

[empty siren]

It's Big E

Of course he did

Prolly was mad that Angron didn't have himself and his planets shit together even though it was all out of his control. And the only time he had control was during his revolt. Which he had it taken away. He was a weapon, who tried to liberate himself. Only to be stopped and reminded he'll only ever be a weapon

[pastel rampart]

Perty, you could've given him different projects and lean into what he liked to do and not given him most of the shit detail. Kurze, uuuuh lmao yeah no dude's fucked either way, but maybe if Emps fucking talked to him about those visions it would've had a bit more of an impact.

[brittle salmon]

Perty was never guaranteed to turn imo, he was just continually given All The Drudge Work Ever

[bright dove]

Perty is petty, even without the drudge work

[brittle salmon]

including sieging a complete backwater with zero strategic value

[empty siren]

I think it's more tragic that he fell to Chaos because he wanted to be free (I believe???). Only to be reminded AGAIN. He's just a weapon

[bright dove]

See how he interacted with his family

Even when he does get to do things that matter, he's just insufferable

[empty siren]

Is Perty the guy who's memed about having no personality?

[sour sequoia]

There’s a few primarchs like that tbh

[bright dove]

No, that's Dorn

[empty siren]

I should learn more about Dorn

[sour sequoia]

Iron Warriors don’t have half the seething loser energy Perturabo was rocking

[bright dove]

Perty is petty

[sour sequoia]

Perturabo is the kind of guy to lie on a myers briggs and say he got INTJ

[empty siren]

Question about the Khan

Was it surprising to any of the Primarchs that he didn't turn traitor?

I imagine so because to a degree, they barely knew him and he actively avoided most of them

[brittle salmon]

lmfao

[sour sequoia]

AIUI Khan and Alpharius were the black boxes because nobody knew them, there was a bunch of sudden concern over the potential far/internal war with the white scars and then kind of a bunch of confused shrugs when the Khan came back and said 'yeah lol we ride for big E'

since the conflict in white scars ended up being 'do we ride for khan or big E' so it all ended up being moot

even the heretics being just 'yeah we dig our primarch'

[paper bluff]

Mountain/hero armor is like that

[paper bluff]

Also it was said the khan was one of the most like Horus. A warrior

[charred bridge]

Opposite of black box, no surprise Curze traitor legioned

[finite compass]

Curse was in the process of actively being censured when shit broke out

And they figured at was a genius idea to go all hands on deck with the obvious psychopath who has good relations ONLY with the one primarch you’re sending him to kill or apprehend

[pine matrix]

I'd have kind of liked to see more of the Night Lords during the Horus heresy, near as I can tell they basically only get real focus in the short stories

Obviously we've got the Night Lords trilogy to go deep on them, but I was pretty interested in what they were like at the "height" of their power. Or even after they scattered after getting owned by the Dark Angels, what sort of awful pirate empires were they carving out there

Seeing the difference between Terrain Night Lords and their later recruits would have also been interesting

[paper bluff]

His legion was the ones that killed the least but they really really enjoyed the killing to much

[thin ibex]

Peak Tau was actually mid Tau with like 1 abusive strategy that way kind of like playing stax in MTG

Real peak Tau is now imo

Question, which legion is the opposite of the Dark angels?

Night lords?

Alpha Legion?

[main pagoda]

Ig if you think of the opposite of the dark angels being the rapists and murderers of a world the nightlords fit

[finite compass]

And the blew up their own homeworld

[paper bluff]

To be fair, that was during the heresy

[finite compass]

No it wasn’t

[main pagoda]

it was pre

[finite compass]

It was just before it

That was why they were being censured

Or rather that was the final straw

[paper bluff]

Also the dark angels

[finite compass]

Arguably ultramarines

At least doctrinally

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, Ultras are the tonal opposite of DA. Where the DA are secretive and willing to just fuck off on their own missions, Ultras are relatively straightforward and willing to stick to the mission.

[finite compass]

Bunch of specialized weapons and formations for any eventuality vs everyone can potentially do anything

[pastel rampart]

Ultras also have not one but multiple planets and DA just have a rock floating in space.

[finite compass]

Specialists to a fault vs generalists

[pastel rampart]

Yeah.

[finite compass]

The ultras have two big strengths

[pastel rampart]

And despite being the poster child of the codex, Ultras are relatively flexible due to their generalist status.

[finite compass]

Logistics and being good at everything

Not GREAT at everything

[pastel rampart]

But good enough to win the war, yeah.

[finite compass]

But able to be good enough that they aren’t caught at a disadvantage in any category

Vs say trying to get the White Scars to do attritional warfare

Just wouldn’t work

[pastel rampart]

Yeah.

[main pagoda]

basically every damocles WS book is them basically eating shit to the Tau because go fast hit hard can take you far but only so far

[upper canopy]

Wide open plains where you drive on motorcycles versus
The Tau

[pastel rampart]

WS don't have the bedrock to fall back on. They're hit and run specialists to a fault and if that crumbles they don't really have something for the opponent to break themselves upon.

[main pagoda]

well that depends on the time line

if you are talking about 30k they have the black keshig or h/e you spell it

[thin ibex]

Oh I was meaning more which chaos legion, since many of the loyalists have their counterpart in the traitors

[pastel rampart]

It's like how IF are siege specialists and are very good at making and breaking defenses, but speed ain't their game. Or how RG are very good at being sneaky assholes who just destroyed a supply line and assassinate a command center but aren't doing attrition warfare.

[finite compass]

Chapters are far less able to work outside their boxes than legions are

[west zealot]

Jghati Khan returns, now with a Motorbike that transfoirmers int oa perosnal melee mecha, that's also a dread.

[main pagoda]

these are dishonoured marines who act as the anvil for the white scars

[thin ibex]

In fairness any chapter knows how to fight a war. They all have their specialities and preferences, but they're also all well trained and well versed combatants

[main pagoda]

they do look sick

and its ebon keshig not black whoops

[finite compass]

If we’re talking loyalist/traitor mashups…

Some fit great

Some have multiple

Some just don’t have a counterpart

Like IW and IF

Or NL and RG

[pastel rampart]

I think on paper this is correct and in a fair amount of situations is true, but in practice (aka how they're often written) they tend to lean on their specialties to a fault.

[main pagoda]

idk about NL and RG

[finite compass]

But what are the 1k Sons mirrors of

[thin ibex]

Examples being, at least modern day
Imperial Fists/ Iron Warriors
Ultramarines/Word Bearers
Space Wolves/Thousand Sons

[upper canopy]

They should logically always have the Guard

[finite compass]

NL and RG is a lot due to the primarch similarity

[upper canopy]

If a chapter is deploying by itself into a warzone I would call them Very Dumb

[finite compass]

Very similar background very similar lessons taught

Drastically different outcomes

[pastel rampart]

Yeah. Though SMs in 40k are more about surgical strikes than outright warfare--at least, that's their best use case. Circumstances are rarely the best.

[thin ibex]

I don't know if WS/DG is a narrative common match up in 40k. I know it made for a cool thematic fight between Jag and Morty though

But I don't know who stands opposite the dark angels

[main pagoda]

NL

[floral herald]

Everyone DA have hella beef

[thin ibex]

As I understand it, at least until the primaris, a lot of SM deployments were like a single squad deployed to a war zone to function as an elite strike team for an ongoing battle. It was a massive deal for a strike force to be deployed, even bigger for a full battle company. Now though, primaris are built out to conduct actual land war independently, though still favor shock assault tactics.

[main pagoda]

DA are made of the knights and "heros" of caliban while Night Lords are made of the gutter scum of Nostramo. Honor and respecting the order structure is engrained within DA culture while Night lords operate on a basically hive gang he who laughs last structure

[finite compass]

Blood Angels and World Eaters are also a mirror match if you think about it

[main pagoda]

Entirely

[thin ibex]

In game they have a shared Detachment feature

[finite compass]

Berserkers tempered by their primarch

Vs their primarch asking them even worse

[thin ibex]

Liberator task force and berserker warband have the same Detachment rule, which is neat

[finite compass]

Making them

Fucking phones and autocorrect

[main pagoda]

I do think its worth noting that angron never really asked for them to take the nails

they just started doing it

[upper canopy]

I think Primaris are even worse equipped for campaigns

[finite compass]

True but sanguiniusv

[thin ibex]

Sang is also the one Khorne wanted bad, still lays claim to the whole legion.

[upper canopy]

Since they're even more expensive

[main pagoda]

and then had a minor civil war over it

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, basically that. SMs are (or were) so few in number that even a single squad was both a taxing use of resources and a serious means to swing the favor of battle. Which is why they were used for surgical strikes.

[finite compass]

Samguinius was the figure that lead the BA out of the dark

Angron was the catalyst for the WE embracing it

[past sphinx]

the Charnel Legion BABY

"we throw these fuckers into suicide missions and they just ate the defenders"

[finite compass]

Reminds me of the one modern WE war band

[thin ibex]

Sure, but if you compare standard loads and battlefield disposition it makes WAY more sense for primaris to be oriented around land battle.

More specialized, single purpose or armament troops indicate an expectation of mutual support from disparate elements.

Modular armor systems imply adaptive response to mission spec rather than planning to take all comers with autonomous full load tactical squads

The adoption of a bolt rifle acknowledges the expectation of fights at greater ranges

The introduction of additional organs implies the expectation of longer operational periods

[finite compass]

Planet is under attack by a massive enemy force

These guys show up

Kill the defenders

So they can fight said invading force

[past sphinx]

though they will eventually run out of real true veterans with the redemptor pattern being as it is

[main pagoda]

well the benefit of perma war is you are never short of veterans

[thin ibex]

Tbf they'll get new ones. That's how veterancy works.

Incidentally weren't some of the first wave primaris heresy Era vets?

[past sphinx]

true but you dont have say someone like a Malcarion out there anymore, its just not possible

[past sphinx]

i believe so, cawls been fucking around a long time

[thin ibex]

It's weird thinking that if they put Bjorn into a Redemptor, it's a death sentence

Maybe he'd like to go out that way, but also isn't he holding out for Russ' return?

[main pagoda]

yes

its also doubtful if he would even survive

[past sphinx]

murdefang would love it

but uhh you wouldnt be able to get him out of his box

[pulsar cairn]

[uneven ember]

such a weird decision to make
"hey what if we ditched The whole lore Thing about dreadnaughts being ancient and whatnot"

[upper canopy]

I mean they can't do it if all primaris are zoomers

[desert jay]

The Redemptor lore seems like a grimderp moment, ye

[upper canopy]

It's the same grimderp in two different directions

[desert jay]

And then also "Firstborn Dreadnoughts crossing the Rubicon" just feels silly

[upper canopy]

I do not think they're doing this?

[desert jay]

They haven't been but we've been discussing the idea

And I don't think it's implausible that they will

[past sphinx]

bigger dreads killing pilots has been around since the Levithan

granted the levithan isnt that old

[desert jay]

And also the Levi is a specialty heavy dread and not the standard main battle dread

[past sphinx]

the redemptor is fucking massive tho

like how an MBT is bigger than a panzer 4

[thin ibex]

tbh the redemptor chassis looks great

i have no complaints about it

[past sphinx]

it has its charms

its just to damn big

i mean

its the size of a barn

just shrink it down a touch and i thinks its a perfect update

[upper canopy]

I don't like it tbh

I miss the stumpy legs

[jaunty dawn]

Gotta toddle

[upper canopy]

Dreads should waddle

The main thing about like a lot of new specifically marine stuff

Is they sanded off thr design elements that made them kinda intentionally a little shitty

And it makes it lose a lot of the little bits of charm they had

[thin ibex]

honestly i feel like a big dread really lends itself nicely to being a big imposing tanky centerpiece dude instead of a bit of a chump gameplay wise

its cool to see a big imposing dreadnought taking up a lot of visual real estate

[upper canopy]

I don't even mind the size I just don't like the legs

If it was twice as big but waddled I would not care

[thin ibex]

fridge/paper copier nostalgia

[uneven ember]

and the elbows
more "ambulatory walker" instead of "THE ANGRIEST DISHWASHER"

[upper canopy]

I try not to br a Nostalgia critic

[pastel rampart]

I can see that, and I partially agree, but prior to the Primaris launch GW was trying to stuff as much detail onto a marine as possible and it became A Problem to paint.

[upper canopy]

But new marine stuff is largely not as good

[thin ibex]

i never understood how a space marine's warrior skills were meant to transfer to a dreadnought when they had no knees and no elbows

[past sphinx]

its got knees

[upper canopy]

I am usually on board with literally every other factions new shit

[past sphinx]

their just behind the armor

[jaunty dawn]

They just want a guy to go “even in death I still serve” over and over

[upper canopy]

But they're so uncreative with Marines

It's so boring

[uneven ember]

yeah the old Dread had knees, just that the armor covered it and most of the thigh

[jaunty dawn]

Thats his only job

And it was posed like that to fit on a sprue easier

[past sphinx]

and to support the 3.5 kilos of pewter

[uneven ember]

but no I do love gun arms that don't have elbows, speficically in 40K
servitors, too
you don't get to have the human arm anymore. you have a shoulder and you have GUN, because what resembles humanity in you now exists to serve as a brace for a gun

[past sphinx]

you have become the worlds most complex multimelta tripod

[uneven ember]

& relatedly, more seriously, I prefer the old spinny-smasher to the Redemptor hand
you don't need a manipulator. your "body" is not for holding and moving things or doing productive work

[past sphinx]

you can open big door nobs tho

[thin ibex]

Eh, I like it, i think it gives it more of a "Big embodied warrior in an adamantine shell" vibe

heck, the space wolves gave theirs axes

I don't dislike the old dread, i think its rad, but the new dread is cool as heck imo

[past sphinx]

they should give them giant space revolvers

like the warsuit

[thin ibex]

heavy bolter pistol was funny

[charred bridge]

I like the new one, but I liked the old weapon arms more

[thin ibex]

I do wish we had an autocannon option

[charred bridge]

Really sells them as walking weaponized tombs, I guess they're also sort of walking tombs of spoken history but if you're playing tabletop they're not there to tell stories

[uneven ember]

yeah
but
Space Wolves man

[sour sequoia]

160 models of genestealers painted in 50 days, here’s the 133 I’m actually running at the tourney on Saturday

[past sphinx]

ah Honsou you absolute lunatic

bless em

[empty siren]

I need to get my hands on a stormsurge

Reserve limit for a 2k game is like 500 innit?

Gonna have a stormsurge in reserve so I can rapid ingress it on a stealthsuit for free

For the lols

I also just want a stormsurge

Big robot. Fuck yeah

[pine matrix]

Anyone have any thoughts about the new Horus H3r3sy detachment rules? I actually kinda love the graphics they're using and getting little bonuses from filling out positionsI dig a lot

No more dedicated transports, though?

[jaunty dawn]

I didnt really fully get it

But it seems cool enough I think

Feels like the main difference between it and traditional foc is the latter prioritises like. A mix of elites/fast attack/heavy support while this one prioritises like, whenever you take something you take a few of that thing

In general theres been a trend away from interesting force org systems so Im glad they didnt do that

I did see someone yuck the idea of 4 characters and its like. Its a 3000 point game

4 is not that many

[tepid stratus]

Between that reveal and leaks I've seen this edition is looking like a lot of word vomit. Makes my TO senses fire off in all the wrong ways

[past sphinx]

personally i would like to see less named special boys out there

more focus on your general sorta special guys

[jaunty dawn]

Right but its not even abt that in this case

Its about taking hq units at all

[past sphinx]

yeah youre right

[thin ibex]

Do 30k leaders work like 40k leaders?

[past sphinx]

kinda

but their actually good

sometimes extremely good

[jaunty dawn]

Independent characters can leave a squad and join a different one midgame

But theres not really an emphasis on unit buffs or really that type of special ability at all for the most part

Its just a guy who does something and relies on having a squad around him to stay alive

And that something can be like. ‘You gotta take one to unlock army comp’ or ‘is a psyker’ etc

[past sphinx]

They do sometimes grant night vision or +1 to shooting tho

Master of ordinance I think

Christ this army box is gonna take me a dogs age to complete

[pulsar cairn]

Love me some space wolves

[jaunty dawn]

Nice blue :3

[pastel rampart]

I wish Boltgun held my interest longer than it did.

[unreal cosmos]

I say it's worth it, love those guys

[unreal cosmos]

As someone in a dedicated Heresy community I'm pretty excited! It's interesting on its own and it's provided a lot of levers to pull to make different factions stand out.

[mental birch]

I'd be tempted to do mechanicum

But the models

My fingers

😦

[dense sedge]

I wish I had your motivation

[past sphinx]

YOU WILL BUILD FOUR HUNDRED POINTS OF TECH THRALLS

[mental birch]

sobs

noooo

that's like 200 models

[past sphinx]

Tech thralls are 3pts each, so add like 1k to that

Wait no

It is i bo bo the fool

Thats like 150

130

133

[mental birch]

I'm rounding up to 100's for comedic effect

60 at most and done

[past sphinx]

A mere 133.3333333 infantry models, thats like half of a renegade militia list

[mental birch]

Hahahaha

At least it isn't one of the most busted infantey armies in hh2e

checks notes

The White Scars

[paper bluff]

And still no one will play them

[mental birch]

And suffer the stress of painting stark white with a red trim?

[paper bluff]

White paint job= pain

[thin ibex]

Do we know how imminent the space wolf dex will be dropping?

[cinder wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/peak-it's-peak-mid-it's-mid-shaking-head-gif-14930609437819582275

nachmund gauntlet upgraded

[paper bluff]

A good fun?

[sour sequoia]

Ay no need to put yourself down

The big thing is all that really averages out to 3 models a day