#Warhammer and Such

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empty siren
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Speaking of which

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My models arrived!

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Some of them broke during shipping but I got super glue

thin ibex
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Started my first match Wyeth necrons ever today, paused and saved at 3rd round

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I'm doing awful on secondaries rn

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But I think I might be able to turn things around

empty siren
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YESSSS

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My models!

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Unbuilt piranha

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I need to buy two more crisis suit units

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Ahhh...two riptides

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I also want a storm surge

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...I might go buy a stormsurge the next time I can

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That's a lie

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I will buy a stormsurge the next time I get

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Not I might

uneven ember
west zealot
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‘We need to kill da tinboy,’ he declared, as though Mogrot had never challenged him. ‘An’ we ain’t doin’ dat from here, an’ we can’t get to it ta kill it easy, coz it knows we’z orks, right?’

The ladz nodded. All of that seemed logical.

‘Wot you finkin’?’ Da Boffin asked, scratching one ear and looking at him thoughtfully as he rocked back and forth on his monowheel.

Ufthak beamed.

‘All right, ladz, I’z ’ad a great idea…’

‘’Ello, I’m a humie!’

Humie spaceships, it turned out, had a lot of decent metal sheeting lying around if you had access to a burna to cut it off the walls, so Wazzock had been put to work. Before too long, the mob had several large chunks, to which they’d strapped the more intact of the red-robe corpses they’d made on the way to the door.

‘We’z just humies, walkin’ down dis corridor!’

Ufthak’s plan was proper cunning if he said so himself, which he did, so that was okay. The tinboy must be able to tell humies from orks, or the humies would never let it walk around their spaceship. Therefore, it stood to reason that if it saw humies in front of it, it wouldn’t shoot.

Into the corridor they went, a few boyz behind each metal plate, with dead humies on the front to confuse the tinboy. Simple, but genius.

‘Wot if it don’t work?’ Deffrow hissed.

‘S’gotta work,’ Ufthak argued. ‘I’m talkin’ in humie, ain’t I? An’ makin’ my voice squeaky an’–’

The shoota opened up again. The three boyz behind the foremost plate leaned into the impacts on what had suddenly become a makeshift shield, but the metal sheeting wasn’t designed to stand up to firepower of that magnitude. One of them came apart as a shell punched right through, and Ufthak suddenly had guts over his steel toecaps.

‘Zog it!’ he shouted. ‘Next plan!’
empty siren
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I with Tau Battlesuit fingers weren't so small

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Oh well

thin ibex
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i recognize a lot of those models

empty siren
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This is completely outta left field, but I should do a kitbash of a space wolf and a noise marine. Mostly just want the guitar

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For some reason last night I really wanted to make a kitbash of a space wolf that looks like the band "Power Wolf."

empty siren
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I need a fucking stormsurge GRAAA

thin ibex
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they also print on etsy

empty siren
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Ooooh

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I'm happy with the models I got :)

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They're so cool

thin ibex
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ive been hemming and hawing around getting myself a riptide proxy from them

empty siren
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Riptide is sick as fuck

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It looks really nice

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I've never played it, but armoured core is the vibes I get

thin ibex
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ive run a riptide a few times

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they usually under-perform for me a bit

mental birch
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Triptide

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Is fun

empty siren
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9th edition riptide data sheet looked fucking insane

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I could understand why triptide was a huge threat

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I might start running the burst cannon instead of the ion. I need the output of attacks. Plus I get more attacks for devastating

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The ion just wasn't doing it for me

mental birch
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Triptide ion is wild ass

empty siren
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I also just don't need that range. I used my riptide to hold the home objective cause I know that my friend usually deepstrikes in my backline. DG Terminators

thin ibex
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8th and 9th every datasheet is gonna look insane compared to now

empty siren
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He gets a 6" deepstrike against afflicted. It's not like my riptide is a huge target because I have like multiple units of infantry, missile-sides, etc pushing main

thin ibex
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ion rip is statistically so much more dangerous than teh hbc

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and i like the hbc so much more

empty siren
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Yes HOWEVER

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BRRRRRRRRTT

thin ibex
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i guess the hbc IS more efficient into infantry, but tau dont need help with infantry killing

mental birch
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The riptide is a surpsingly tough

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Stall unit

empty siren
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The 4+ invul is a god send

thin ibex
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tanky boi, you can often expect him to survive a round at a critical juncture

empty siren
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Maybe ion is better but if I ever run Kauyon, it's burst cannon all the way

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Mmmm sustained hits 2 and devastating. Reroll hits and wounds of 1 when guided by stealthsuits. Mmmmmm, ignore any or all modifiers to hit

thin ibex
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A-10 Gatling Riptidei s just a vibe

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i wonder if could make the gun sexier in crusade

empty siren
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Idk how good the stormsurge is but

thin ibex
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its resoundingly ok, the str 24 gun is funny

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but i found its raw output is a little lacking for hte investment

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since all its secondary guns are ap0

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i think its a cool looking centerpiece

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I also like the fan mods, that put its gun in its hand instead of over shoulder

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i think theyre fine in casuals

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but they dont really interact well with the faction rule

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they do play really well into big horde armies tho

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feels good to fire the cluster missiles into gaunt hordes

jaunty dawn
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that's painted so pretty but I don't care for the conversion haha

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I don't really like the concept in general but I think the shoulder missiles look weird heere

jaunty dawn
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hh preview in 25 minutes

thin ibex
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i also saw another cool conversion with the shoulder cannon and arms that have the missile launchers

jaunty dawn
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guy just said heres horusy

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saturnine can teleport it seems

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deep strike like

main pagoda
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3e confirmed

jaunty dawn
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vulkans prezzie

jaunty dawn
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horus hersey is necromunda now???

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leadership, cool, willpower, intelligence

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plastic fellblade

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plastic breachers with the helmets people want???

tepid stratus
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Plastic breachers? About damn time

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Hoping we finally get new sisters of silence kits

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That army list looks cool but I don't want to kitbash all that lol

jaunty dawn
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Mm

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That would be nice

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Iron hands saturnine looks pretty great

thin ibex
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so are saturnine's effectively super termies?

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now that they're properly real again

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looks like they no longer have the over head cannon

jagged dawn
jaunty dawn
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Like daot terminators

thin ibex
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over more than 10k years, gun + big hand has remained a constant

thin ibex
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oh i forgot to mention while running the void dragon

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its very funny

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went down to half

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then healed to full the following turn

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I did learn that I need to know my armies keywords better than I do

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And I need to understand the phase sequencing pretty well

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To get the most out of hypercrypt

past sphinx
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heavy terminators

sweet solar
sweet solar
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look into your heart

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you know it to be true

misty violet
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I feel like saturnines are really what centurions probably ought to have been

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Though I have weird feelings about their designs, specifically the cables on the shoulder pads

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Which I understand are from the original model but it doesn't quite work imo

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The praetor with the axe is absolutely screaming to be made into Autek Mor

sweet solar
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i think they shoulda leaned more into making em like
marine scale Imperial Knights
make the shoulderpads a like, carapiece section

desert jay
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Wow the Saturnine dread is fucking huge

sweet solar
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yeah

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now that one basically IS an imperial knight

desert jay
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This is the first pic I saw to really give me a sense of scale

misty violet
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I fucking love it, though I do understand some folks saying it feels a little bit like a third party model. I think it's just the overlapping plates on the front

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Also, a point of concern is that they don't mention any additional different weapons for it in the article about what's in the Saturnine box

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Which is a little disappointing because imagine a power fist or claw on this fucking thing

main pagoda
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will probably see some added later

runic swallow
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Gotta say, I like the dreadnaught version more than the terminator one, but it also looks like a less cool version of the Leviathan

sour sequoia
tranquil ivy
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Chat i dont think it's coming today

runic swallow
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Your order is being delivered via cruise missile, they just need to finalize the targeting

thin ibex
sour sequoia
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Wraiths still hold centerfield like you need em to, they just won’t be damage dealers 😔

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Deathmarks/hexmarks/ophydians become your top tier secondary scorers

thin ibex
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They took on the assault marines I needed them to, but fell to a squad of terminators

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Ultimately they died round 2 but lived as long as I needed them to

pastel rampart
sour sequoia
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That is definitely the same height as the baby carrier

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Maybe a few mm shorter but fuck is he STANCED

runic swallow
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If it did, my bad

soft willow
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I mean, I'm not mad if we post it twice.

tranquil ivy
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It brings me unfathomable joy to see my two favourite legions (Salamanders + Iron Warriors) in the new edition

soft willow
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Honestly also cool that almost all the Liber books are coming out at launch too.

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GW making it very easy for me to pick up Liber Questoris and just sneak another game on my plate.

floral herald
thin ibex
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Who's the more stoic? The salamanders or the iron warriors? Trick question, they'll both die before you find out

jaunty dawn
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Sallies had rules to extend the game from sheer stoicism

floral herald
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Trick question, Imperial Fists

runic swallow
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I dunno, Iron Hands are also an option

floral herald
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IFs take the cake for me for being wiped out multiple times from sheer stubbornness

runic swallow
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All of them just awkwardly staring at each other while frowning

floral herald
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There’s a lot of “these are stubborn tenacious fighters who never give ground” among the space marines but the IFs have bled the most for it

runic swallow
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I’m not owned!” bellows man hiding behind a palisade of his allies corpses in a killzone of bunkers and pre-sighted artillery

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I still find any attempt to spin the Iron Cage as a win for the IF absolutely hilarious

valid brook
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galaxybrain actually I took the bait hook, line, and sinker because getting wrecked old style uhhhh builds character

thin ibex
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IF helmets don't arrive frowning

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That 100% flexing their super human frowning muscles

floral herald
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The IWs took the bait with the siege of the imperial palace and you don’t wanna let them have the satisfaction

misty violet
runic swallow
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Tbh that’s also the case with the IW and probably half the IF

pastel rampart
west zealot
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‘Someone get me Da Boffin!’ he bellowed. ‘An’ also one of his spannerz wot no one likes, an’ a shokk attack gun, an’ a weirdboy wot ain’t exploded anyone’s head recently. I am gettin’ froo dat git!’

        ‘Now, I ain’t usually da one askin’ dis,’ Da Boffin said, ‘but… are you sure dis is gonna work?’
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Da Big Dakka is a good book

west zealot
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Also I love this little lore tidbit -

" She was surrounded by five other warriors: five of her bloodbrides, the finest wyches under her command. Not all of them were female, of course, since ‘bloodbride’ was a title rather than a description; indeed, Xurzuli herself had only taken on a female form in the last few decades since ascending to the rank of succubus, in the same way as every Asuryani warrior who explored the warrior aspect of the Howling Banshees was female, and most incubi were male. Some roles within aeldari society overrode the tenuous grip of biology: it was one of the few constants across all the varied strands of the species’ existence."

mental birch
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Is it just me or the Saturnine looks like Centurions

runic swallow
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I think some people have said the same here, I also see it

misty violet
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They really remind me of the less stumpy converted ones I've seen. I think it's mostly just a consequence of what a really bulky but still humanoid powersuit has to look like

paper bluff
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Could be the same base tech. Mind you is was all from heavy void suits

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Mining tech too i think

thin ibex
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Or the saturnine inspired the centurion as a lesser adaptation

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Also isn't the centurion like a mech suit for a marine already in power armor?

quaint compass
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Yup

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I wouldn't be surprised if a retcon makes centurion armor into retooled saturnine armor

tired cairn
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Need a grey knight in Centurion armor in a dreadknight in a hypothetical Knight-sized mech that the dreadknight hooks into that then pilots something Titan sized

thin ibex
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Honestly yeah they skipped a step

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Grey knight anti daemon nesting doll

tired cairn
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I also imagine a version where the smaller grey knight pops out when you defeat the bigger version

pulsar cairn
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Ya know how in most duels both guys ended up dying when we talk about irl sword fights?

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vicksyLUL sometimes i think about that but with lucius, but then i remember that they write him in a weird way

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So it probably wouldnt matter

runic swallow
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I’m not a big duel-knower though, so anyone can correct me on this

pulsar cairn
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But could 100% happen with other kinds of sword

tired cairn
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Would Lucious be sad or happy if he won but will die?

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(and would be sad or happy if he lost by knew the other guy would die, breaking the "curse")

pulsar cairn
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vicksyThink i couldnt tell...im not very familiar with lucius personality, just his weird powers

runic swallow
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I think a trade in a duel would probably just mean he dies for real, since he couldn’t hop into the other guy?

pulsar cairn
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i would hope so

tired cairn
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Iirc the curse is because he thought he was/wanted to be the best duelist in the galaxy. So Slaanash thought it would be really funny if he became the guy who defeated him

tired cairn
pulsar cairn
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they made him take over a mindless necron once, at least someone here told me that, it makes no sense since it doesnt have feelings but they wrote it that way

tired cairn
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The target slowly turns back into him aiui

pulsar cairn
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but yeah i would hope that a trade in duel means he's just dead now

floral herald
pulsar cairn
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oh yeah! i forgot u were an Emperor's children fan Cyan vicksyAww

tired cairn
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I suspect that Lucious is always a little humiliated to temporarily be the person who defeated him lol. And he doesn't even get another try

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🤔 does it have to be duels? Or is

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Is it just when Slaanash feels like it

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Like if he got killed by random artillery would he come back

pulsar cairn
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vicksyThink i dont think we know

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but if it is like Cyan says it also happens when slaneesh feels like it

floral herald
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Same as the other mortal champions really

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Just with an added twist

tired cairn
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The Inquisitor having a group brainstorming session trying to figure out the least amusing way to have Lucious come back after being killed

floral herald
tired cairn
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Unfortunately "you get to be the random guardsman that killed Lucious and didn't even know* would probably be quite humiliating to Lucious and also funny

tired cairn
floral herald
tired cairn
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I wasn't thinking about Lucious becoming the artillery. That's more hilarious though

pulsar cairn
floral herald
floral herald
floral herald
tired cairn
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I think Slaanash should have made Lucius have the most recent face of whomever defeated him. That'd be way meaner

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Also I've been spelling his name wrong this whole time, but it probably accurately describes his hair given his affiliation

floral herald
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I reckon they're in the armor so he can see the faces of everyone who bested him

runic swallow
main pagoda
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think the worse one was a woman who worked in a landmine factory who was happy that the landmines she was making were killing enemies of the imperium

floral herald
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Lucius shortly after succumbing to tainted building materials on a hive world

west zealot
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‘So when I turn dis on, it uses da energy of dese warp engines to cause a katastroffic warp implosion!’
Ufthak frowned. ‘Is dat good?’
‘Course it’s good!’ Da Boffin scoffed. ‘S’got a lot of fingies, syllables, innit? Like, “grot” is bad, but “Wazbom Blastajet” is good.’
Ufthak nodded. It was a powerful argument.

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Gotta love Ork logic

floral herald
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This is also why the Primaris marines are named like that

west zealot
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More syllables= good?

pastel rampart
west zealot
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upset carnifex noises as it gets given excessive hugs

west zealot
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Also features two dark Eldar archons falling in love, and acting like really dumb teenagers about it because DE are so emotionally compromised

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Which is hilarious

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‘Turnabout is fair play,’ Cistrial said with a wicked grin. ‘I too cannot allow my ally to die yet. And in addition,’ he added, leaning close, ‘I have tasted pain and despair many times from another drukhari, and while mortification is not as nourishing, it has the benefit of novelty. Perhaps I shall have to trick you into accidentally complimenting me again.’
The accusation of imperfection stung Dhaemira into action, and she rolled away and up to her feet. ‘Accidentally? I can assure you, I do not make mistakes!’
‘Then your words were honestly meant?’ Cistrial said, and there was the briefest flicker in the icy wall of his composure.
‘Of course!’ Dhaemira said. She saw an opening, and long experience at politicking and preying on the insecurities of others made her strike for it instinctively before she had even considered her words. ‘Why? Do you doubt yourself?’
‘Do not be ridiculous!’ Cistrial snapped. ‘I… am beautiful, and clearly you would be attracted to me!’
‘Then we are in agreement!’ Dhaemira said, even as a small part of her brain wondered what in the name of the Living Muse was going on.

empty siren
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Which is Tau and which is Bungie's Marathon logo

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I love circle logos

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Circle within circle/crescent gotta be my favorite thing

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We good

thin ibex
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||Marathon top right, tau bottom right, illuminate left||

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||I'm old enough to have played the original marathons||

empty siren
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Do I buy a stormsurge today🤔

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I have the money

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I really want a stormsurge

thin ibex
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How bad do you want one?

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If you have the money and you want one, get one

empty siren
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They're literally a Pacific rim robot

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Multiple pilots iirc

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I want one BAD

thin ibex
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Well, no mental sync as far as I remember off the top of my head, and a fair amount smaller

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I have a love hate relationship with them

empty siren
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They just look cool. Idk how useful they'd be in my army but I want a BEEEEG robot

thin ibex
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To me they run counter to tau combat philosophy, which values access to mobility and air deployment. But also but gun robot cool

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Like broadsides are largely similar except they can be delivered via Manta to a combat zone

empty siren
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I just like big robot

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And having one on my back line is incredibly threatening

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My friend will have to spend resources and effort attacking big robot while I rush down midboard, supported by broadsides. He has too many high value targets and not enough fire power

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He has two options. Allow the stormsurge to decimate his dudes while trying to pick off my robots moving at mach fuck. Or, try to bring my stormsurge down while being rushed down

strong owl
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scrungles

runic swallow
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Scrungly!

floral herald
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The lowest form of life 😠

dense idol
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assembled some more miniatures today

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it's not much but it's progress

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finally got around to the hexmark destroyer; it's such a funny datasheet

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"Gee, Omaszekh the Worldflayer, how come your phaeron lets you have three shooting phases?"

paper bluff
finite compass
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You have no idea how tempted I am to get a bunch of Mk. VI marines, adn then paint them like RT marines with the slogans all over their armor

strong owl
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i do know exactly how tempted you are

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i feel it too

jaunty dawn
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The call of the scrungle

west zealot
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I love that in the Ork books I'm reading currently, all space Marines are beakies

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Literally

dense idol
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am i understanding the mustering rules for necrons correctly, in that a unit can have a cryptek, noble, and cryptothralls all attached at once?

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four simultaneous leader models seems slightly silly

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well cryptothralls are part of the bodyguard but w/e

west zealot
sour sequoia
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Its not as great as it used to be just because its so many points on units that aren’t necessarily killy

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But yeah, thats exactly how it works

thin ibex
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its just like we used to be able to stuff a command squad, an ogryn, a regimental attache's, and a psyker to the same 20 man squad of guardsmen

pastel rampart
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I think this is the most complete shot of that piece of terrain in the back. Or at least one I've found.

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Used to see this in so many photos back in the day and it still sticks out in my mind when I think of 40k terrain.

tranquil ivy
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Modified my old Gunlance so now it's compatible with a teeny tiny shield

empty siren
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Weird question

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Does anyone know any good brushes from the store, Michaels?

pastel rampart
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Select Artiste Princeton are decent value for their money.

empty siren
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I have one in my hand rn lol

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18/0 short liner. I just need something for dry brushing

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The two brushes I mostly use is some velvetouch that was really nice for a while till it started fraying really bad. To be fair to the brush. I do have a tendency to abuse the bristles

empty siren
pastel rampart
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Makeup brushes. Any will do, really.

empty siren
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I got exactly what I needed YIPPEE

south axle
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Saturnine destroyer?

uneven ember
dense idol
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so i want to try and put together some of my own 40k 10e tournament-standard terrain for my group

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we have an entire box of branching tree supports from fdm printing that i wanted to use for this project, to create a deep jungle theme

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but from my preliminary research, it looks like standard terrain setups overwhelmingly favour two-storey ruins and barricades and walls over anything else, with solid chunks of elevated ground or semi-solid obfuscating shrubbery being very rare

tired cairn
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You probably want to use the ruin rules for forests tbh. But it really seems that the game is designed around ruins and basically nothing else

dense idol
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sad!

pulsar cairn
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There is this one iron hands successor chapter who the mechanicum made hoping they would be loyal to them, while they did make em i think they werent allowed to keep them

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Im surprised they didnt have enough power within the imperium to be allowed to keep them

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Considering they basically run the show vicksyDerp they are very much needed

uneven ember
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(for real i love this artist)

dense idol
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i wonder if i could still try and jank the jungle theming together

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like

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have the raised walkways on ruins represented by suspiciously long and flat cuboid boulders, flanked by short trees on two outward faces

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the boulders can't exactly be free-floating, but i wonder how much the space beneath them actually matters anyway

pastel rampart
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I mean, walkways can just be rope bridges.

dense idol
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i'm exhausting all my options before i just put in artificial structures

dense idol
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putting that aside for a moment: i think i've finally worked out my 2k list

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1x Orikan the Diviner (80 pts): Warlord, Staff of Tomorrow
1x Chronomancer (65 pts): Chronomancer's stave
1x Hexmark Destroyer (75 pts): Close combat weapon, Enmitic disintegrator pistols
1x Overlord (105 pts): Resurrection orb, Staff of light, Nether-realm Casket (+20 pts)
Char5: 1x Overlord (105 pts): Resurrection orb, Staff of light, Veil of Darkness (+20 pts)
Char6: 1x Overlord (85 pts): Resurrection orb, Staff of light
Char7: 1x Skorpekh Lord (80 pts): Enmitic annihilator, Flensing claw, Hyperphase harvester

10x Immortals (150 pts): 10 with Close combat weapon, Gauss blaster
20x Necron Warriors (200 pts): 20 with Close combat weapon, Gauss reaper

10x Lychguard (170 pts): 10 with Hyperphase sword and dispersion shield
3x Skorpekh Destroyers (90 pts): 3 with Skorpekh hyperphase weapons
6x Canoptek Scarab Swarms (80 pts): 6 with Feeder mandibles
3x Canoptek Scarab Swarms (40 pts): 3 with Feeder mandibles
1x Canoptek Doomstalker (145 pts): Doomsday blaster, Doomstalker limbs, Twin gauss flayer
1x Canoptek Reanimator (75 pts): 2x Atomiser beam, Reanimator's claws
1x Canoptek Reanimator (75 pts): 2x Atomiser beam, Reanimator's claws
1x Canoptek Spyders (75 pts): Fabricator claw array, Gloom prism, Automaton claws, 2x Particle beamer
1x Canoptek Spyders (75 pts): Fabricator claw array, Gloom prism, Automaton claws, 2x Particle beamer
1x Doom Scythe (230 pts): Armoured bulk, Heavy death ray, Twin tesla destructor```
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the core is two big shithouse stat-bricks to sit on midfield objectives: orikan + nether-realm casket overlord + 20 warriors + reanimator on one side, and veil of darkness overlord + 10 lychguard + chronomancer + reanimator on the other

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the doom scythe and doomstalker provide anti-tank capacity, the skorpekh lord and scarab-spyders blocks push flanks, and the 10-immortals-overlord-hexmark group just sorta wander around the map doing odd-jobs wherever they're needed

thin ibex
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Win a close match today against a bully Boys ork player

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My void dragon Shard face tanked a full size meganob squad that he had no right surviving. I think that won me the game

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I did use a secret mission

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But I think I honestly could have scored more if I hadn't

tall depot
thin ibex
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MVP aside from the void dragon

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was a hexmark destroyer

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just spitting attacks out all over the place

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my tesla immortals didn't have the impact i thought they would tbh

west zealot
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"and flew under an archway that had apparently been carved to look like it was made out of lots of humie skulls, unless it actually was made out of humie skulls. You never could tell with humies. They didn’t at all like it if you tried to take their skulls, but then they still went and did weird things with them anyway, like make them float around and carry guns."

floral herald
paper bluff
sour sequoia
#

Probably not a thing you take three of anymore but god does the one put in work every time

thin ibex
#

in fairness i was blasting a full squad of nobs, but man, i really expected more out of the immortals

thin ibex
#

dis is the list im runnin

#

im thinking of ditching the deathmarks for somthing else, they've been kind of lackluster, rarely dying but rarely accomplishing much

#

the skorpeks have actually worked pretty good, but they're very quick to get targeted

paper bluff
#

Deathmarks are very take out characters

#

And unless you get those precision kills quick it feels meh

sour sequoia
#

Great scoring in hypercrypt since you can just pick em up and plop em down

#

But. I’ll be real beyond that they don’t do that much

dense sedge
#

my discord isn't loading pictures properly for some reason

thin ibex
#

i have guard opponents in this league, so i feel like the ability to snipe WILL come in handy

#

just hasnt yet against marines and orks

dense sedge
#

precision is very matchup depending

#

gsc hate it for instance, we love our attached characters

thin ibex
#

Current line up is
Me - Necrons - Hypercrypt
WE - Zerker Warband
Votann - baseline detach, forget its name
Guard - Recon Detachment
Guard - Bridgehead Strike
SM - SW - Champions of Fenris
Tau - don't know the detach
Orks - Bullyboys

desert jay
#

Votann only have one detachment (that people play)

sonic hare
#

glad to hear hexmark is good I love that model

dense sedge
#

I’m not sure if any of those are super character heavy

sour sequoia
#

Bridgehead can be super worth actually, they’re lower on order givers and you can snipe out special weapons that give you the hardest time

thin ibex
#

wait does precision let me pick special weapons guys too? I thought it was just character models

sour sequoia
#

You know, ignore me

#

I’m not used to running units with models that matter besides attached yet

thin ibex
#

I think I'm most afraid of the zerker warband, Angron isn't a vehicle so the Void Dragon isn't gonna be its best for that fight

#

Or the Votann player

#

I thought the orks were gonna overrun me, be we managed to tank the double waaagh

#

Was pretty scared at first though

desert jay
#

Precision specifically lets you target attached character models

#

So it doesn't even affect the one character in a command squad if the command squad isn't attached to another unit

thin ibex
#

Yeah it works the way I think it does, that's generally what I use it for. You can't use it to ignore Lone Op

brittle salmon
#

The triple 6 rez only brings him back at 50% wounds

desert jay
thin ibex
#

It'd be way more important if it could, and if it could pick the models it wounds. Maybe too potent. You'd certainly see way more precision in every list that's for sure

brittle salmon
#

That's what the rule used to do

#

Back in 9e and before

thin ibex
#

I remember back in 9e it didn't let you pick the dude, because the death jester specifically let you pick the dude? Or was that 8e

brittle salmon
#

The thing is that good, cost effective snipers are rare

thin ibex
#

My fear with Angry Ron is that I don't really have much screening, and I don't think any of my units can Tango with the bruiser on even standing except the Void Dragon

#

The monolith DOES have a boat load of wounds though

#

I remember eliminators being top of class for snipers for a while

#

I think the vindicare might be atm?

#

The skratos is hilarious but isn't actually that great of a sniper

#

(I still bring him on my tts Mechanicus lists because he's fun)

sour sequoia
#

Wraiths pistols & melee + monolith shooting will do it, especially if you can burn the opponent’s CP to stop a challenge for a turn or so

thin ibex
#

Weird question, for beginners, is it better to play elite or trend towards playing horde? I figure when they're new, having loads of tools might be better than raw quality

#

Makes the choice to do actions a lot less compromising

sweet solar
#

hordes are monetarily expensive and harder to build and paint

#

usually the best option for new players is not to play tournaments

#

pick a factuon yo like and get units you think are cool and play for fun

#

warhammer is more like half way between mtg commander and dungeons and dragons , than it is like a competative starcraft or sonethinf

rocky shale
desert jay
rocky shale
#

The exception is like custodes who are elite (tanky) not elite (glass cannons)

desert jay
#

I suspect though that this question might be for someone playing over TTS to try out armies

rocky shale
#

TTS, watching others play, reading rules, and seeing what seems fun to paint are kinda the best ways to do all that

#

When I started I was split between tsons, death guard, aeldari, and tau.

Tsons I saw how much I didn't want to paint those stripes. Death guard I realized I wanted to do tank spam and that wasn't supported pre codex. Tau was shockingly expensive for crisis suits.

desert jay
#

Everyone hating on painting stripes

uneven ember
#

I need to buy those Goblin Hobbies stampers

thin ibex
#

apparently death guard have a tank spam detach now

thin ibex
#

a frien of mine is playing a termie heavy list in the league, i ended up winning beacuse his positional play wasn't great; as he lost squads he just didn't have the tools to maintain control and i won via choking him out

sour sequoia
#

I think uhhh Mortarion’s Hammer is the tank one, have seen people enjoying it around here

empty siren
#

I should get my hands on more kroot and vespids

#

Auxiliary detachment does look kinda neat

#

Just, most of the other detachments feels like you're waiting forever to get your detachment rule, feeling too rushed to get the most out of your fleeting detachment rule. Having to drop a million dollars on crisis suits because those things are 100 dollars each not including characters, plus you're playing a dangerous game with having to be 9 fucking inches from the enemy. Which keep in mind, any decent melee will fuck you up. Or you're spending a million on Kroot. At least with Aux...I can run suits, kroot, vespids, and have a decent rule with okay enhancement and okay stratagems

thin ibex
#

paying for proxies for crisis suits is fine imo

#

the experimental detach is great when you want to play suits but dont want to play up close and personal

#

but personally i quite like the aux detach

paper bluff
#

With new players, have fun with your guys (broad term) cause they're your special little army men

empty siren
#

I'm not the biggest Kroot fan because I like big robot not predator meets ork meets tyranid

#

Plus, the detachment buffs your suits with the improved AP, and gives you a bit of survivability on your scoring units

empty siren
#

If I do Kauyon, what unit should farsight lead? I'm hesitant to say sunforgers, because i have 3 rail rifle broadsides and a Hammerhead. Plus the many seeker missiles

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Then again. Can never complain about having too much anti tank. Because sunforgers are just scary

wet grotto
empty siren
#

Plus 1 to wound on knives is also nice

#

I think that might be better. I need better anti elite because aside from sheer output of fire from a Coldstar leading Starscythes with all burst, I ain't got much lol

#

Got a funny plan with the Starscythes actually. Coldstar with high output and 3 burst cannons. Exemplar of Kauyon for Patient Hunter on BR2. Got a fireblade cadre with Through Unity Devastation. Drop in turn two, 44 attacks + gun drones. Get that sweet sustained hits 2 and lethal

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I think I brought enough firepower. Got two riptides with burst cannons to just be a menace and pull aggro. Rail rifle and Hammerhead on home objective. Missile-sides rushing alongside the riptides. Acting like Mont'ka but actually running Kauyon

thin ibex
#

If you run plasma fire knives, he's good on em, but he does want to to be very close

thin ibex
#

Kroot are also real good for backline screening so that pesky elites don't drop into your broadsides and hammerhead. Also gives you access to sticky objective

pine matrix
#

Anyone got a good source of chainaxes for Horus heresy marines? Other than the phobos on the GW site

#

Had a bit of a google around Etsy but there wasn't much choice

pastel rampart
#

If you have access to a resin printer there's a bountiful amount of chainaxe STLs out there.

#

If you dig around you might find bitz sellers for khornate chainaxes or, in a pinch, ork ones.

empty siren
#

I CAN'T be close

thin ibex
#

i mean, youre gonna get close

empty siren
#

I knowww

#

Just wish I didn't have to be so close

#

I could do missiles. The +1 to wound makes up for the low strength and AP

#

Cause more chance for sustained

thin ibex
#

check farsight's rule tho, dont think the +1 to w is at all ranges

empty siren
#

Naw. All plasma is prolly best. He could be my anti elite. My friend always deep strikes my back line br3

empty siren
thin ibex
#

plasma will be a termie killer for sure

#

and death guard like their termies

empty siren
#

My only concern is damage not spilling over

#

DG Terminators have I think wound 4?

#

Oh well. It is what it is. It actually doesn't matter what am I on about

#

My friend is in for a surprise :)

#

I described to him the list like, Slightly impatient hunters. Shadowsun and her twin riptide sons. Japanese high speed rails. kaboom

#

Which translates to, rush down the midboard, Shadowsun giving rerolls to the riptides, aggressive as possible, many rail cannons, big missiles

empty siren
#

I wanted to try the aggressiveness of Montka but on Kauyon

thin ibex
#

the thing about kauyon is that depending on your opponent, it can be prudent to use scout/infiltrators to shove your opponents into their own deployment zone early to buy you time

#

cause you can't really wait for round 3 to get active

#

you just have to hold your decisive strikes for that moment

#

as far as wasted damageo n termies; its honestly worth whil to always force them onto their invulnerable and to remove termies

#

lots of value in each dead termie

empty siren
#

Oooh a ghost keel would be super helpful

#

That infiltrate and being and to nuhuh damage twice

thin ibex
#

valuable piece to use to tank a bit, i think you can access some kroot who are a bit more sacrificial

empty siren
#

I might give my Fireknives a marker drone

#

I just remembered that Kauyon has a stratagem that allows the spotter to get some of the benefits of being guided. Plus commander Farsight makes it a free stratagem cause he's leading them

#

Extra situational spotter. In case my smaller guys can't afford to spot

thin ibex
#

i almost never give marker drones to em unless you expect a vehicle or covered infantry and a solid angle; cause they can spot without it

#

its just if you want to let em help someone else ignore cover

empty siren
#

True. Having an emergency spotter would be nice tho. But yeah, I'm running like three stealth suits I don't think it's necessary

pulsar cairn
#

Would you say Commissar cain would be liked in a catachan regiment? I ask cause i heard they frag their commissars a lot

pastel rampart
#

Cain would do everything in his power to not end up in a Catachan regiment.

#

Which is to say he'd end up in one and somehow, despite everything, get grudging respect from them due to a hilarious chain of mishaps.

empty siren
#

That or if they tried, some Rube Goldberg ass nonsense would occur

#

Throw a grenade, it bounces off a tree branches, dinks his bolter making it fires, rolls off down his chain sword while gathering speed, uses the small crater in the ground to ramp up and detonate in the face of the soldier who threw it

#

Or something along those lines

#

I should reach the Cain books. They sound fun

#

Oh I forgot he doesn't use a bolt pistol does he? Anyways you get the point. Some bullshittery would happen if someone tried

runic swallow
#

Nope, laspistol since it’s lighter and carries a lot more ammo

mild glen
#

Also it's more accurate

pulsar cairn
#

wixelsNodders i read 2 of the Cain books

past sphinx
#

Also has lacks the err moderate recoil of the bolt pistol

pastel rampart
#

There are bolt pistols made for more normal humans but the big thing with laspistols, at least for Cain, is their light weight and reliability.

#

He's a duelist, after all. Naturally he'd want something light for his off-hand.

paper bluff
#

His augmentic also makes his aim a little bit better

#

Keeps his hand steady

thin ibex
#

Do we think he's even still alive post the fall of Cadia?

pulsar cairn
#

Hard to tell! I wouldnt be surprised if they brought him back tho, considering he's very popular

uneven ember
#

"warp storm"

pulsar cairn
#

Yup

uneven ember
#

one of the beautiful things about the 40K setting
"this is on the other side of the galaxy from where this character is supposed to be and three hundred years before their story is canonically established to have started how are they here" "warp storm" "oh okay"

pastel rampart
#

He did retire in M42, working as a professor. This doesn't preclude him from being pulled back into active duty but by that point he'd be at least 230 years old.

past sphinx
#

Isn't cains last stand about him getting pulled into the 13th black crusade?

past sphinx
#

Like say yarrick and cain

uneven ember
thin ibex
#

a lotta folk forget that yarick was like... actually old by the time 2nd armaggeddon started

#

i am sad theres no character fitting his shoes though

past sphinx
#

they could bring him back like gaz!

#

CYBER YARRICK

west zealot
# past sphinx Isn't cains last stand about him getting pulled into the 13th black crusade?

Yup, and he's explicitly pretty old then. Into his second century, I think.

His most recent published book, Vainglorious, is set right as he's been offered retirement and is trying to - and then gets dragged into serious misadventure.

And then at the end Vail drags him off with "we got lots to do!", seconds the space marine he was hanging with to the Deathwatch, etc.

Is unclear if we'll get more novels, though there's obviously potential

past sphinx
#

im sure him and vail have a great deal of things to do

#

bless em

west zealot
#

As to Cain and Catacahns - be makes a very big deal, repeatedly, that his being kind isn't just a mask, it's highly practical - Commissars who live up to the stereotype have a way of dying heroically several miles from the front line, in his words.

And we see him both drilling into his own commissarial cadets that you can't just rely on "fear will keep the men in line. Fear and my bolt pistol!", as well as some other Commissars he deals with.

Though it's also spelled out by Vail that he's exceptional (personal head canon is because he actually cares, despite the protests contrary), and many Commissars fall short of his mark.

So I think Catacahns would depend on have they heard of him?

If they've heard of him: hijinks to see if he's all puff and no fire.

If they've not heard of him: immense suspicion, a few 'ooops, sorry sir!" The moment one of them misinterprets something he did

runic swallow
#

So, on paper he’s probably gonna be alive forever

past sphinx
#

his grave, to witch he was laid to rest with a full military parade reads "MIA"

#

they covered that fucker in grave dirt and still couldnt for sure put him on the count

sour sequoia
#

Kelermorph really is That Bitch

#

3 for 3 on eldar/drukhari players hearing ‘you should be afraid of the cowboy’ and never believing me

#

Only to turn around and punt like 250pts into them one turn later to make sure the cowboy dies

final tide
#

tried to build a wolfcav list for aos.... ooh there's really not a lot oh they really want me to play full goblin soup....

#

looks like it will be spearhead only for this army

west zealot
deft crest
#

Kelermorph on the KT board is one of the sickest models

#

not amazing but just sick

quaint compass
#

My friend runs a GSC army and didn't put much stock in it since its rules were half-way bupkis, until the 10th ed codex

#

He might like Kelly for its rules, but I like Kelly for itself 😌

sour sequoia
#

Honestly its one of the best lone ops in the game

mental birch
#

There's no other Drone to give them

dense sedge
thin ibex
#

Playing necrons v world eaters today, my melee contingent may not be up to the task

empty siren
#

Hehehe I can't wait to play Kauyon like Mont'ka

#

Why wait to get sustained? Rush in, as fast as possible. Bait the enemy into the midboard only to drop behind and hit em on both ends with sustained

#

Strike hard and fast. Then clean up :)

#

I fucking LOVE Tau GRAAAA!

past sphinx
#

the accursed cultists kit is rather odd

#

like theres a whole ass model on the sprue

#

no parts or nothing just 1 entire lady

floral herald
#

One of the torments also fits together REALLY weirdly

pulsar cairn
#

Aaa

#

I love the rogal dorn tank

#

It just looks fun!

#

Unsure if the imperial fists appreciate it tho

#

I could see the Space wolves liking that there's a tank named after leman russ wixelsNodders

jaunty dawn
#

They used to be able to take them iirc

pulsar cairn
#

vicksySip cool!

jaunty dawn
#

In 3e they got leman russ executioners (the plasma ones)

pulsar cairn
#

Oooh, were they space marine sized?

rocky shale
#

No just really cozy inside

pulsar cairn
jaunty dawn
#

Its unclearr

#

But thats kinda why the concept was abandoned I think

#

Though back then space marines werent modelled that much taller than anyone else

pulsar cairn
#

We probably dont have any quotes confirming it vicksyLUL but thats enough for me to believe they do like the tank!

jaunty dawn
#

Oh no wait it was the exterminator apparently? Mustve gotten confused somewhere along the way

#

Just says they have a handful and are the only chapter to do so

pulsar cairn
#

Happy moment ruined

#

||im joking||

jaunty dawn
#

The leman russ exterminator! Just autocannons not big plasma

pulsar cairn
#

Ooooooh

#

Thought it was a completely different tank there for a sec!

jaunty dawn
#

Just read something kinda funny, says space wolves hate jump packs so when a mission actually requires their use they give them to blood claws and then turn around and admonish them for it once the mission is complete

past sphinx
#

(The bad version of the leman)

#

Wwit what about skyclaws?

jaunty dawn
#

They became skyclaws in 5e

#

But its the same basic concept

pulsar cairn
#

What's a blood claw?

jaunty dawn
#

Weirdly the way it worked mechanically was you take a blood claw bike pack (which became swiftclaws) and replace the bikes with jump packs. But they kept the 3-8 unit size

#

Blood claws are space wolf ‘scouts’. Space wolves never started putting aspirants in combat before their black carapace was ready so theyre just power armoured newbies

#

In squads of up to twenty. N they just wanna go killin

bright dove
#

All the machismo of a newly minted super soldier with nobody over their shoulder to tell them to calm the hell down.

jaunty dawn
#

Well sometimes they have a wolf guard telling them to calm down but yeah

#

Oh yeah back to the leman russ; it was BS 4 which implies it did have a marine inside

#

Still find it really funny that csm 🤝 space wolves; elite models having a model cap across unit slots with two options for deploying them

pulsar cairn
finite compass
#

Space Wolves also have their own actual scouts that serve the same general purpose as scouts in other chapters

#

Except the Space Wolf ones are fully trained and enhanced marines instead of initiates.

#

You have to have been both a Blood Claw and a Grey Hunter to be a Wolf Scout

wintry mist
tranquil ivy
#

They finally arrived

#

Bad news is three of the heads were incorrect

#

(i didnt ask for these)

south axle
#

Did you get them as an extra or are you missing 3 other heads?

tranquil ivy
#

I got 4 extra heads

south axle
#

A head start on the next order

tranquil ivy
#

You know what that means

south axle
#

FESH

quaint compass
#

A FSH

tranquil ivy
#

These look pretty good

tranquil ivy
thin ibex
#

We saved top of round 3, but my opponent burned 2 objectives round 2 on scorched earth, really messing with my long game approach to necrons

tranquil ivy
#

Folks, does this look heavy enough?

deft crest
#

i wish we had more ocean world stuff

#

Deepkin are like

tranquil ivy
#

Real

deft crest
#

IT

tranquil ivy
#

Might I recommend Dredge Marines on Etsy if you play Death Guard?

deft crest
#

I do not!

#

But i appreciate the recomendation

#

Maybe if i build their killteam

tranquil ivy
#

They've got infantry, warlords, all sorts of cool stuff :>

deft crest
#

Yeah

#

But then I would need to play STINKY

tranquil ivy
#

Nuh uhhh

desert jay
#

I could definitely see renaming everything in a DG detach to be spooky and nautical

#

Heh. Depth Guard

deft crest
deft crest
#

Shame the plaguecaster is a seperate package from the normal stuf

tranquil ivy
#

Yeaaaa

deft crest
#

Oh no i'm just going to buy their 3Dstl's from their site

tranquil ivy
#

O i seeeee

deft crest
tranquil ivy
#

That works too :0

#

I mostly love the Dredgebrute

paper bluff
floral herald
#

Real

tardy vault
#

(trying to hamfist "fall" into the original reply and can't make it work)

tranquil ivy
#

I love kitbashing graah

pulsar cairn
# paper bluff

Can space marines get away with dropping an inquisitor?

#

I imagine it varies

tranquil ivy
deft crest
#

Might get sent to do penance with the deathwatch

tranquil ivy
tired cairn
#

Inquisitors are very high ranked, so it'd be pretty hard to get away with it

#

Political machinations to get an inquisitor out of their hair seem more likely generally

floral herald
tired cairn
#

(though Space Marines are also important and closed knit enough that it's hard for an inquisitor to seriously get in their hair in the first place)

tardy vault
#

It's one of the those On Paper v In Reality things

#

You tell the 9 foot tall walking tank he has to listen to you

#

Along with all his friends

tired cairn
#

Hmm, am I right in feeling like how important a given inquisitor is, is very inconsistent? Like sometimes they are commandeering an entire sector and other times they are doing significant legwork by themselves

floral herald
#

Yes

#

They’re not all equally connected

tired cairn
#

Make sure you bump off only the unpopular inquisitors

runic swallow
jaunty dawn
#

The rosette isnt everything

runic swallow
#

But also as has been mentioned with regards to inquisitor vs rogue trader authority previously, when you’re just one guy with a fancy badge far away from anyone aside some very scary men with guns opposed to your opinions, the on-paper authority starts to give way to considerations of “will anyone find my body or piece together my last 72 hours of movements”

tranquil ivy
#

Heeheeheehaw

runic swallow
#

Or the Ordo the inquisitor is from getting a deeply sad note about how Inquisitor Pushy tragically died a hero when he took a bolter round to the skull leading the mission

#

(It was very odd how that Tyranid hive guard had one, but that’s for the Biologis to figure out, not us simple space marines)

tired cairn
tranquil ivy
#

Well the funny thing is my army uses tyranid weapons Monster-Hunter style

So its reasonable to believe that a warrior impaled the Inquisitor

runic swallow
tranquil ivy
#

"But sire, a tyranid did it! My client is innocent"

soft willow
#

Honestly this is 40k, even if he explodes on screen he might be back.

tranquil ivy
runic swallow
#

Yeah true

tranquil ivy
#

HE'S CHAOS

FUCKIN' RUSH 'IM LADS

runic swallow
#

Bring my man back, I’m sure he could get better from plasma to the face

tired cairn
#

Inquisitors are often chaos enough it's mildly surprising none of them have models for chaos armies

runic swallow
#

It’s very funny how ||Eisenhorn just becomes the guy from the first book, honestly pretty good parallels ||

weary dragon
#

''I am using this ''Book of Flesh and Daemonic Hymns'' for the good of humanity, honestly.''

runic swallow
#

You kinda don’t think about it until you reread them

weary dragon
#

Inquisitors must never get their hands on Markers from Dead Space

tired cairn
#

"everyone else who used this book became horribly corrupted by chaos. But I won't be"

runic swallow
#

Oh yeah they’re making Unitology day one

weary dragon
#

40k fans think Markers wouldn't last in IoW

#

No the Inquisitors would use them

#

''Obviously I am built different''

#

necromorphs intensify

tired cairn
#

It probably depends who gets to them first lol

runic swallow
#

“No bro I’m gonna be the one who doesn’t descend into madness or become a flash abomination, everyone else just did it wrong”

tired cairn
#

AdMech probably would also use them

weary dragon
#

true but I do think it would darkly hilarious if a Inquisitor just up and thinks they could handle it and gets bodied

sour sequoia
tired cairn
#

I think the only thing making it less hilarious is how it is virtually certain it is lol

runic swallow
#

I mean the Inquisition and AdMech already did Tyranid Jurassic Park, and ended up making at least one new strain and all getting eaten lol

tired cairn
#

Though maybe the dramatic irony would add to it

sour sequoia
#

There’s worth in deploying a reductus up somewhere in regular deploy but only on flanks you know the enemy is going to try avoiding

runic swallow
#

I forget which IA book it is, but the subtitle is something like The Anphelion Project

jaunty dawn
#

3 iirc

sour sequoia
#

But Kelermorph being full BS reactive shoot and a reactive move, they got very little issue killing most of a cultist squad or flesh hounds or assorted uppy downie scoring units solo and then peeling off around a corner

tired cairn
#

When has an Inquisitor ever seen a terrible power beyond mortal reckoning and not gone "I am strong willed enough to use this to save the Imperium"

jaunty dawn
#

Oh no oops 3 is taros campaign . Anphelion project is 4

runic swallow
#

Taros was the Elysians/Space French, right?

jaunty dawn
#

Both!

tranquil ivy
#

How do we feel about deep sea marines, chat?

#

Be real

#

👁️

runic swallow
#

No I meant that as in that’s what the elysians are lol

runic swallow
jaunty dawn
#

elysians in taros and super elysians in anphelion

runic swallow
#

Oh interesting

jaunty dawn
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Regiment 99

runic swallow
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Oh right, they had bio-mods

paper bluff
runic swallow
#

I suddenly remembered them once you said that

tranquil ivy
runic swallow
#

If it’s deniable or “oh, no, he left three weeks ago, we haven’t seen him since” and the Inquisitor isn’t well-liked or supported, your chances of getting away with it go up

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Or if the marines do politicking well

jaunty dawn
#

I mean theyre space marines

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The worst that can happen is they get put on a pentitent crusade

runic swallow
#

Depending on the guys connections, it’s possible they get declared traitors

jaunty dawn
#

You can engage in open rebellion against the imperium and still just get sent on a penitent crusade if you dont go off the deep eend

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Though maybe if the guys connections are particularly vindictive

runic swallow
#

Yeah that’s what I mean

dense sedge
sour sequoia
#

Reductus somewhat better into chaff and monsters, kelermorph slaughters marines and xenos elites

dense sedge
#

Really, doesn’t it only desk 1damage with attacks though?

sour sequoia
#

Host is popping out with Sustained, on average you’re swinging 7 shots

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and then a reactive move to go back into lone op or around a corner

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If the mine doesn’t kill what the reductus wants to die, she’s very very dead

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Could be my store’s a lot of elves but I’m getting much more mileage out of kelermorph who’s picking up 3-4 banshees per swing

paper bluff
#

There is in cannon a chapter that got on the shit list of an inquisitor and they reported to his inquisitor lord and then bad stuff started happening to that chapter

pastel rampart
past sphinx
#

ork snipers, helluva thing

pulsar cairn
#

ork snipers are scary wixelsNodders

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i think

uneven ember
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they're extremely scary

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because if you start saying things like "I don't think ork snipers are a thing" you know what happens to you?

#

ork snipers

pulsar cairn
dense sedge
desert jay
topaz hinge
#

My wife has a dredge marine collection they're great

pulsar cairn
#

what's a dredge marine? vicksyAww

thin ibex
#

would hte silent king getting the noble keyword make him too strong with the obeisance phalanx?

#

Also is obeisance phalanx pretty much big melee?

empty siren
#

I be unironically stratagizing like a commander prepping for a casual 2.5k game 😭

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Tbf. I feel like Tau needs to be treated like that. People know your weaknesses. My plan is to bait and punish

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I love stratagizing. Makes me feel like I'm prepared. But I know I'm likely to be stomped so :3

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I wanna be a better 40k player. But Im mostly just playing for fun, not to win

rocky shale
#

Winning is fun >:)

rocky shale
#

2k games are already like 4-5hrs

empty siren
#

Is it?

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Yaaay! The more time I spend with my friend the merrier :)

rocky shale
#

I mean 2k is like the default amount, 1k is for a quick game but not often do I see people go over 2k

empty siren
#

I wanted to do 3k but he didn't wanna :(

empty siren
#

Tbf, he doesn't have like 3k pts. But he's super close, so it woulda been closer to like 2.8k

#

I'm not done collecting. I wanna get way more so I have variety of options

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I need like, two ghostkeels, way more crisis suits, more firewarriors, kroot of many varieties, vespid, and a stormsurge lol

#

Oh yeah. Imma drop like 3 trillion dollars only for Tau to be nerfed because they're not SM and GW needs to sell John Ultra, a new primaris lieutenant and Intercessors 2™️

thin ibex
#

The thing about Tau is people know the weakness, and then hyper focus on it. They also often do not know their strengths, thinking with outdated assumptions around Tau static gun lines, when Tau is actually hyper mobile.

sonic hare
#

ughh putting together this psychomancer is going to kill me

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I want to go back to push fit 😭

tranquil ivy
#

Well, i now need to make a chapter master for my successor chapter

#

Im thinking going Davy Jones esque

paper bluff
#

Cause

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He is the triarch

pulsar cairn
#

Saw someone saying emperor's sword can kill daemons for good, can anyone confirm that?

floral herald
#

It can

paper bluff
#

And burn nurgle's garden

pulsar cairn
#

Neat!

past sphinx
#

it can also kill demons for evil

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i think abbadons sword is like a fragment of the emperor

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or its the part of him that became the dark king

pastel rampart
#

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Drach'nyen Nah, he's just the first murder so he's stupid powerful.

Drach'nyen, the End of Empires and the Echo of the First Murder, is an ancient daemon of pure, unadulterated malice currently bound in the daemon sword of the same name wielded by Abaddon the Despoiler.[2]

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I think Emps just forced it into a weapon form for convenience because Drach'nyen could then be thrown the fuck away from him.

thin ibex
#

Wasn't there a big web way showdown with drachnyen with the custodes and the emperor?

west zealot
#

"the Emperor left the Golden Throne to cover the retreat and confront the daemon Drach'nyen. The daemon took the form of a Stone Epoch war-chief, impaling the Emperor and claiming it would be His death. The Emperor ripped the daemon, now in the form of the daemon sword, from His body and hurled it at Ra, impaling him and binding it within him. As the last Imperial forces retreated from the webway, He ordered Ra to run."

west zealot
#

'Who is this?’ he demanded.
‘Someone with working surface-to-orbital defence batteries, and very little patience. Identify yourself, shithead.’

Civilians sassing chaos space Marines is always good

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(for the record, the civies make it out shaken, but okay, while the CSM has to run off because it turns out the surface to orbital batteries weren't an idle threat)

pastel rampart
#

Nothing like painting up a scrungly chaos spawn.

pine matrix
pastel rampart
tired cairn
#

Oh, I like that a lot more than the default colour scheme

tranquil ivy
#

Agreed
It's very pretty

empty siren
#

Tyranids are so cool

runic swallow
pulsar holly
#

It looks cool!

paper bluff
empty siren
#

Im thinking it might be a good idea to get my hands on a hivestorm box

jaunty dawn
#

For vespids? Theyre seperately available now

paper bluff
mild glen
#

So. With these skellyfriends, I will have a complete AoS army and a complete 40k army. What's next for my plastic Crack addiction? HH? A second army for either? A bunch of terrain? Rehab?

thin ibex
#

An army to fight the other armies

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So that you can do cool board set ups and take pictures of them

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And imagine big battles

#

Also so that you can rope people into playing the other army

soft willow
#

Tinyhammer

empty siren
#

Hivestorm is 280 dollars

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But brutal and cunning is 170

#

Difference is, no mat, and a buncha stuff. But, there still is terrain. But hivestorm also has the books and tokens and more equipment

jaunty dawn
#

Whats your actual goal here

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If its having everything for kill team hivestorm is prob the way to go

empty siren
#

My friend and I are splitting it

empty siren
jaunty dawn
#

Yup

#

The brutal and cunning terrain is only meant to supplement hivestorm

empty siren
#

It gives us terrain for more than just Killteam as well. I bought the vermintide box a while ago and I get, not the same vibe, but something similar. The core book and a buncha stuff, made playing spearhead SO much more easier and fun. It's a better investment. I have no interest in orks and ratlings

jaunty dawn
#

Equipment models is necessary for stuff like barricades and ladders

empty siren
#

I think we both decided on hivestorm. Better investment over time

#

Swagadocious. Time to speed build EVERYTHING for tomorrow lmfao

#

Omfg thank god my dad was a rave dude

#

Friends and family discount cause the owners knew my dad from school and his rave days

#

Uhh 250 dollars...for a 280 dollar box...

sour sequoia
#

30 bucks is 30 bucks

empty siren
#

It woulda been like 300+ with tax

#

So it's more like 50+ dollar

#

Emperor bless my LGS

#

Genuinely so happy omfg YIPPEEE

past sphinx
#

Boy in glad I don't play wizzards

sonic hare
#

what do u think that is

final tide
#

Goblin,,,,

past sphinx
past sphinx
#

And depending on who you ask, a twink

tranquil ivy
#

Finally got some corkboards

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This guy is now head-height with my Aggressors

tranquil ivy
#

Rate the base 👁️

past sphinx
#

Personally it's to tall

tranquil ivy
past sphinx
#

The biologos has a plastic rock, he has a cork rock, if he isn't pinned through the bottom the leverage is gonna have rip the cork at a jostle

tranquil ivy
#

Mm, good point

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I only just started using corkboards for basing so

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He has a Neurothrope shield tho :>

pastel rampart
#

Aside from pinning, I also recommend giving the cork a wash of either 50/50 white glue/water mix or (even better) 50/50 mod podge/water. This makes the cork a lot tougher and less prone to chipping off.

tranquil ivy
#

I dont have either of those :(

pastel rampart
#

They're cheap and easily found, thankfully. Any craft store will have them, but even big box stores like Walmart have them in stock or even Dollar Tree.

#

Both are highly recommended, but for white glue/PVA do not get the ones that say "school/for school use" because they're watery and weak and nothing sticks to them. Elmer's Glue-All is the go-to. Mod Podge, basically any will do but I use the "matte" ones.

tranquil ivy
past sphinx
#

THE HOLY SOURCE OF ALL BASING, LORD ELMERS

pastel rampart
tranquil ivy
#

For now though i'm happy with JUST the cork

If it becomes a pain in the ass then i'll get some modpodge/elmers

pastel rampart
#

Fair.

#

When you do get some pva glue, also: sand! It's a necessary component for damn near any basing.

tranquil ivy
#

Right

pulsar cairn
#

wixelsSit happy day

#

There's human sized bolters right?

#

How do they differ from an astartes bolter?

#

Does the astartes one have a bigger caliber?

pastel rampart
#

Smaller in size, lighter, and more manageable for regular humans. They still have a hell of a kick but it won't snap your wrists off when firing.

#

Rules-wise they're the same but there's some lore about them being less powerful--somewhere between lasgun and astartes bolter in terms of impact and penetration, if I'd hazard a guess.

pulsar cairn
pastel rampart
#

Astartes bolter are the de-facto type, so anything below that has a smaller caliber. Exactly how much isn't told though.

pulsar cairn
#

Fair enough vicksyAww

past sphinx
#

The darktide ones are like .700

pulsar cairn
#

How big is that? vicksyThink

pastel rampart
#

Standard bolter caliber is .75, though Phobos pattern bolters were .70. Admittedly made during the Unification Wars.

pulsar cairn
#

Just looked it up, pretty big

#

Neat vicksySip

pastel rampart
#

Umbra my beloved.

upper canopy
#

That barrel is like 8 times bigger than it needs to be

pastel rampart
tranquil ivy
#

Y'know, Battlefield Trophies could make for an awesome Zombie army

#

Like. An army focused around undead units.

#

(Probably Death Guard)

#

Nothing's more horrifying than shooting a World Eater in the skull, only for him to keep shambling towards you

pulsar cairn
#

Would khorne protect Kharn from Lucius Curse?

#

I imagine lucius would still manage to come back to life if slaneesh wanted

bold halo
#

they're just both stuck in the same body in their get along shirt

tranquil ivy
#

Didnt Khorne throw Kharn across the warp?

pulsar cairn
#

Wasnt that Skarbrand?

tranquil ivy
#

Oh right

#

Wrong character

#

My bad

pulsar cairn
#

No worries!

thin ibex
#

i imagine powerful enough entities can be immune to lucius' curse because its a curse brought on by a greater power

floral herald
#

If Lucius is killed by Kharn then K’bandha and Shalaxi Helbane have to fight to see whether the armor works or not

past sphinx
#

And the EC aren't sure how Luci is coming back

#

sometimes through the body of the one who killed him

#

Sometimes he's just back

floral herald
#

What probably happens is they both respawn but respectfully distant from one another

upper canopy
#

Kharn respawns as Lucius and Lucius respawns as Kharn

floral herald
#

Freaky Friday 40,000

quaint compass
#

Freakus Manus of the Freaky Hands

silk verge
#

a man has been born today

runic swallow
#

Born to partttyyyyy!

desert jay
#

I would simply believe Kharn’s smart enough to look at Lucius’s track record and not play those games

runic swallow
#

He’d probably just pull a Bane in Knightfall on him

desert jay
#

I think Space Marines can just get better from that on their own

runic swallow
#

Yeah but he’d like, really do it

#

And anyhow, the point is that he won thinkaboutit

#

Just walking away leaving Lucius knowing he lost

brittle salmon
#

Kharn is a shockingly cunning combatant, there's an Azrael focused book where he's being hunted by Kharn on a boarded strike cruiser and he doesn't mess around

#

He's Not Falling For It

junior robin
#

a slaanesh cult leader almost made him cry (from remembering the good old days) once

desert jay
runic swallow
#

Lmao yeah

junior robin
#

the same short story reveals his helmet got a built in kill-counter, wish I still had collection with it sadcowboy

runic swallow
#

Wasn’t that the one that said it had topped out, or am I misremembering

junior robin
#

sadly can't remember, was probably 10 years since I read it, it was from "let the galaxy burn" which also had a lot other interesting short stories like "chaos army invading from space marine VR sim" and "marines VS cavemen controlled dinosaurs"

subtle bough
brittle salmon
#

wow

#

yeah i would i fink

upper canopy
#

I think he's cunningly brutal tbh

upper canopy
#

The biggest Bloodthirster and the Biggest Keeper of Secrets

pulsar cairn
#

Ooooh

upper canopy
#

(though it's Skarbrand who is the one that duels Shalaxi)

pulsar cairn
#

Thanks Voy

untold swallow
#

I keep forgetting if Keeper of Secrets is a Slaanesh daemon or Tzeentch daemon

#

No right it's Slaanesh, the Tzeentchian counterpart is a Lord of Change

#

As a certified Tzeentchian, I lowkey feel like the Slaaneshi name being 'Keeper of Secrets' is some real portfolio plagiarism type shit lmao

west zealot
untold swallow
#

lmao

west zealot
#

Also because the idea of heavily tzench influenced noise marines & perfection-through-change seems like a rocking concept

#

(that and it's the sort of thing that might irritate lore purists, but there's nothing stopping hybrid warbands - it's just another expression of chaos undivided - tbh I'm surprised we don't see them more often.

pulsar cairn
#

I mean

#

If you have guys worshiping all the gods at the same time

#

Why not just 2 at the same time?

west zealot
#

Exactly. And cults worshiping weird combos is just fun

untold swallow
#

khornate & tzeentchian t4t chaos warband leaders

#

'but khorne hates psy-'

#

shut the fuck up

#

Khorne does not hate psykers

#

He hates sorcerers

#

There is a fucking difference

past sphinx
#

i love the khornates you specificly just turn up to be defenders in seiges

#

because thats where its the bloodiest

floral herald
past sphinx
#

turns out rubrics in CSM can get AP3 flamers

#

i am fully back on my bullshit

floral herald
#

Let the galaxy burn

west zealot
thin ibex
#

Ahhh I lost to the World Eaters, scorched earth really got me bad

#

Opponent burned 2 objectives by end of round 2, I was too scared of being charged to stop it

#

From then on I was on the back foot and he kept the pressure on, got locked out pretty much

#

Was a fun match though

rocky shale
past sphinx
thin ibex
#

Infantry ultimately did me in, though I never hurt the land Raider

#

I erased angron before he could do anything with death rays

#

But my void dragon Shard got mercced by raw number of attacks from a full zerk squad

#

My monolith took 2 turns to drop for the eight bound and land Raider

#

It was unfortunate for me, but 20 stack warrior squad folds hard to zerks lead by kharne

#

Even with orikan's 4++

sonic hare
#

warrior blobs are not very good at winning melee unfortunately

#

definitely all right for bogging down less killy units

#

berzerkers are like 4 attacks per model right

brittle salmon
#

5 on the charge if its berserker warband as the detach

sonic hare
#

goodbye warriors...

empty siren
#

Okay so

#

I just finished a game using Kauyon

#

If you can survive, sustained hits 2 is nice. If you can't, oof

#

I won barely. I battleshocked a tank with photon grenades from a 3" charge. He got battleshocked, rolled a 4, down to 2" oof, then he couldn't command reroll because battleshocked. He had 2 dudes on obj with OC 1, I had oc 3. Thanks couldn't hold obj because oc 0. Pulled the be on objective, fell back farsight onto that object. Also pulled kill dudes, did that. Scraped by BARELY

#

Fuck, I deadly demised TWO of my TWO devilfish! TWICE. THIS HAS BEEN FOUR TIMES IN A ROW BTW. I DID THAT AGAIN LAST GAME

#

I decided I'm not running devilfish anymore lmfao

#

I am just cursed. So I'm using the flying bases for three hammerheads

strong owl
thin ibex
#

I'm thinking I replace my skorpeks with triarch Praetorians

#

Do I want a doomsday ark or a trio of heavy destroyers with the big gauss

#

As a long range punch

#

And I think I get rid of the Tomb blades

#

Not sure if I want a bit more melee punch

#

My Tomb blades are often not decisive

#

I might be using them wrong, but that's still an argument to swap em out

past sphinx
#

though personally as an academic myself i personally disagree with the idea that perrii is simply convergent evolution of the dual lense but infact cohabitated with the copplestone and simply outcompeted them

west zealot
#

"after her arranged marriage to a different house had come apart when they’d suffered a terminal case of the Ordo Hereticus."

#

Terrible diseases that. I hear it's catching

floral herald
#

Ghazkhull deets from the new grotsnik book

#

Bro seems like a ||primarch ork now||

still warren
#

|| Primork||

west zealot
west zealot
floral herald
#

This is from Twitter

west zealot
#

Ahhh. The cursed place. We do not tread there

#

But thank you for sharing

floral herald
#

It’s ok

west zealot
#

Personally, I yeeted mine into the abyss when musk took over, but you know, I ain't judging.

floral herald
#

Blocks supposedly cost Twitter money so I’m in it for the long game

west zealot
#

Huh, interesting. I wonder how that works out

tired cairn
#

Maintaining the list will cost money and it might be more expensive to calculate them out something

#

🤔 I wonder how expensive it would be really though

floral herald
#

Afaik it’s because of extra stuff the algorithm has to do around it or something

desert jay
# still warren || Primork||

Prime Orks is an Imperial designation given to hyper-evolved members of the Ork race.[2]
The end result of a extremely large and successful Waaagh!, Prime Orks display increased intelligence, technological capacity, and psychic power as well as massive physical size. One Prime Ork is described as approaching the size of a hab-block and fully enc...

finite compass
#

Reminds me. There's an artist i follow who did a series of 'Prime-Orks' for 'Da Big Backstabbin'

#

Gore-Gar of Da Wyrd Bearerz

west zealot
#

'Not the cogboys?’ Chetta asked, rubbing her chin. It would be just like the Adeptus Mechanicus for them to have found a strange machine, made lots of excited clicking noises over it, managed to turn it on and only worried too late about whether or not it was going to tear a hole in the very fabric of reality.

west zealot
#

Anyway, I've been on a real binge of 40k novels recently, and anything by Mike Brooks is great

#

Highly recommend

#

I think the weakest thing he's done that I've read is Lion, soon of the forest, and that's mostly because it's got a weak ending (it just sorta... Stops). And I'd suspect it's weak ending is as much because it narrative constraints than anything else

paper bluff
#

Or is it a case of deadpool-ishness

#

What with the madness

#

Went so crazy it ticked back over

floral herald
#

Yeah he’s pretty smart

paper bluff
#

Also question, multiple choice question,
In 40k, what being is most responsible for the absolute state of things?
A. The Emperor
B. The Deceiver
C. The Silent king
D. Erebus
E. Eldrad
F. Vect

past sphinx
past sphinx
#

I think for all of it, emps bargained with the powers and then renegged on the deal and thats what led to the scattering of the primarchs, witch would lead to the empowerment of the gods

pastel rampart
#

I'm gonna blame Vect only because that'd be the funniest possible outcome.

paper bluff
#

See I'm on the silent king being responsible and the Deceiver

#

Dude started a war to unite his people then started getting ass beat and the plan not working and then the Deceiver comes in...

#

Mind you we don't know who the old one that saw the necrotyr and went "nah, not going to help" was

bright dove
#

The Deciever is the most responsible for this chain of dominos.

empty siren
#

My friend told me osiarch bone reapers are getting a new spearhead :D

#

I wanna play Ossiarch. They look fun and a lot more cheaper than doing a horde army

#

Because theyre the bone-stodes iirc

#

Behold. A list name of all time. I wanna do bone wizards and the first thing that came to mind is the blue bones from the Sans fight (I've never played Undertale)

empty siren
#

I had another idea but i don't fully know how the fall back rules work in AOS

#

Can a unit fall back through a friendly unit?

empty siren
#
  1. In engagement
  2. Can they fall back through the friendly unit?
  3. My reason for asking is for like, a swap places sorta thing
thin ibex
#

Which do yall think?

rocky shale
#

That's a lot of characters

thin ibex
#

sure is, need both for the immortal combo, need something to keep the warriors hard to wipe out, the hexmark is just good, the void dragon is both a character and a monster

#

the technomancer on the wraiths just makes em annoying

#

if i drop the skorpekhs, i drop th skorpek lord

#

think i want to keep the wraiths so they get a technomancer

rocky shale
#

Chaos knights battleforce is 7 war dogs lmaooo

untold swallow
#

why can't you romance him, Owlcat?

untold swallow
deft crest
#

Cawl would could and probably has or will do that lmao

#

Not because he is woke (he'd be cooler if he was)but because he wanted to see if it could be done