Warhammer and Such

[empty siren]

Yeah best not to lol

[rocky shale]

It's every 5

But there are almost no 2w models in groups of more than 10

[empty siren]

Yeah so Imma swap it for plasma with plasma accelerator

[floral herald]

The Necron one has a few bespoke models but they’re not super hard to counts-as

[empty siren]

If the enforcer was in a Starscythes with flamers yeah. For the 1 CP reroll when determining total attacks

But farsight is leading the flamers (for the +1 to wound and the reduced stratagem cost/br)

I also decided on two broadsides with missile systems, high yield, and weapon support to ignore modifiers to hit. My reasoning? The lethal + sustained hits stratagem (sure I have hazardous but I also have a 4+ FNP on mortals so fuck it we ball)

[jaunty dawn]

If you have indomitus you basically have identical models to the bespoke ones tbf

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009942157701939270/1367221398401056899/7VlsGB2.png?ex=6813cba7&is=68127a27&hm=e9eb519815764ded4296bcfad547d1ca801f12e19853e41e87e1d5418a0bc06b&

[paper bluff]

I don't have 2 plasmacytes but I but a Plasmancer could sub in for apprentek

[jaunty dawn]

The like

Cryptothrall

Is a good one for the other little robot

[thin ibex]

guys should i try running my paired stormsurge list for the lols?

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRaQymS3oc0

[deft crest]

Any of the Mancers

Plasmacyte
The other cyte
Aprentek
Any combo of 3 deathmarks or immortals
Despotek

Oh

Yeah u already saw it

[tranquil ivy]

Hm, yes

It appears a new color scheme is in the works

Black n' brown

[wide veldt]

Mild complaint as someone getting into 40k seriously for the first time

Man all the proper nouns are really fucking annoying
Have 3 separate destroyer variants that all have different names rather than descriptors sucks

That’s all

Just mildly frustrated by it lol

[jaunty dawn]

All proper nouns all the way down

[rocky shale]

Necrons are better than space marines at least

Though once again elves sweep

[upper canopy]

The proper nouns get worse with modernity

due to Copyrightability

[rocky shale]

The guard tank variants are what really throws me

Every tank gun type is just a different version of a word for "kills you bigly"

[wide veldt]

Extremely surprised the HellLord isn’t a thing

[jaunty dawn]

They dont even have copyrightability as an excuse for that

[rocky shale]

Oh I meant for the leman russ I forgot about the baneblade brothers

[upper canopy]

Probably want to use Hell Lord and Fell Lord for Chaos models

only reason I can think for it

[jaunty dawn]

What faction is the most self descriptive

[upper canopy]

Chaos

They do be chaotic

[jaunty dawn]

Do imperial guard occupy both ends of the spectrum

Like the baneblade and leman russ stuff is bad but then they have like

Command squad. Infantry squad. Heavy weapon squad

[rocky shale]

Chaos knights is decent tbh

[jaunty dawn]

Chaos knights are relatively okay because they dont have separate names for every loadout yeah

[rocky shale]

And the names kinda match how they kill you

[misty violet]

I feel like the FellLord should probably be a giant vanquisher cannon, an anti-armor kinetic weapon

Which I suppose is slightly redundant with the Shadowsword and Banesword but I feel like it's a conceptual niche

HellLord is just a baneblade chassis basilisk

With an appropriately scaled up cannon

[paper bluff]

That is exactly what I was going tonuse these for in the table top

[paper bluff]

This that meant to be ashen claws?

[tranquil ivy]

No, it isnt.

[paper bluff]

This is why you must give them proper "gloria est" or "Solemn Penance" or even "two for flinching" names

[thin ibex]

I've always been a fan of the halo settings ship name vibes

Pillar of Autumn, In Amber Clad

[paper bluff]

Two for flinching is a halo ship name for folks that don't know

As is solemn penance but that could easily also be a black templars ship name

[jaunty dawn]

But also no this would not help at all lmao

The necron destroyers are actually relatively okay? Like compared to primaris

Lokhust is the copyright name for the classic destroyer(s), cause theyre flying around like bugs and also their body is vaguely beetle shaped

Then skorpekh are the ones with many legs like scorpions have

And then uh, okay to be real I have no idea what the other one is called but thats okay cause its The Other One

Uh and then bonus round the hexmark has six guns and is a deathmark/destroyer combo

[floral herald]

Huh I somehow didn't know about Ophydian destroyers

But that one also kinda makes sense cause they're snakey

[jaunty dawn]

Oh yeah that would do it

I think they were in the codex wave

Which was like. At the start of the pandemic

Theyre kinda cool though cause theyre like

3e necron wraiths

Before they were canoptek wraiths

[floral herald]

yeah for sure

[wide veldt]

See but now

They don’t even have that

Because they have the cadian, catchan, and krieg versions

Of all 3 of those lol

[thin ibex]

votann are GREAT at that

[rocky harness]

Quick lore question about fantasy/ AOS. If death magic is the purple wind, why are all the spirits green?

[tranquil ivy]

Im boutta lose my mind chat why is a color scheme so hard

[rocky harness]

I'm partial to teal and copper.

[jaunty dawn]

Purple and green are complements

That might be something

Wait no they arent

[floral herald]

They are a contrast iirc

[jaunty dawn]

Ig theyre just evil colours

[tranquil ivy]

Yk what, fuck it we ball

Fuck
it
we
ball

[jaunty dawn]

Nighthaunt are blue but their magic is often green anyway

[tranquil ivy]

Orange n' Black

Orange is very flashy which is ironic for an army that focuses on stealth

[thin ibex]

or i gues a better one

[jaunty dawn]

Thats true in rgb they are complements

Red yellow and blue is such a scam

[valid brook]

Ah geez what was that SM chapter with the nauseating purple & green scheme

I remember like late 4e early 5e you’d see a paint job on the forums occasionally

High confidence interval that it was from official material; I want to say maybe Soul Drinkers? but I’m picturing the book covers and they are Just Purple

[paper bluff]

Paint your army Olo

[paper bluff]

..... joker marines

[thin ibex]

hard to do cmyk color pickers while still in a digital space lol

[jaunty dawn]

Theyre complementary in cmy too

Or like magenta green is

Its just like the primary school ryb is pseudoscientific and Im really mad about it now

[thin ibex]

oh tell me more?

how so?

[valid brook]

it’s based on the behavior of common pigments rather than that of light itself

[jaunty dawn]

No cause like

Cmyk is real

Thats the actual subtractive colour equivalent to rgb

[paper bluff]

technically speaking magenta is not real. We can see it because our brains smashbthe colours together. Or am I thinking of violet?

[jaunty dawn]

Magenta isnt real because its where the ends of our colour spectrum meet

But thats why magenta can exist in a subtractive colour process, because it blocks green light and causes you to see red and blue light simultaneously, which the brain processes as magenta

But anyway the idea of red yellow and blue being the primary colours is just a like. Guess. That weve known is wrong for a very long time

But its still taught even as it demonstrably does not work

And you just end up with bleh muddy colours

[jaunty dawn]

But this is how like, all pigments work. So magenta is as real as anything being any colour is real

[tranquil ivy]

So i wanna paint my boys orange and black. Question is does Rust and Black still work for the heavier marines?

[jaunty dawn]

Theres just no such thing as a magenta wavelength of light

Yeah I dont see why not

[tranquil ivy]

I want my lighter units to be orange with hints of black, while the heavier units like terminators replace their orange with literal rust

[jaunty dawn]

Oh yeah that sounds dope

[tranquil ivy]

It is.

[rocky shale]

That's a lotta rust

[pastel rampart]

I have great and terrible news on a casual look on Aliexpress.

http://puu.sh/KsKiX/dfe36c3da9.jpg

[soft willow]

I just realized I have a Sailor Moon nail plate, and the only thing stopping me from making Sailor Scout Marines is buying some Space Marines.

[jaunty dawn]

Horrifying concept (buying space marines)

[pastel rampart]

Consider: getting some maid marines printed out.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/591429239211950081/1367301136964386866/2000pt-maidmarine-army-v0-mykj8q4gpuce1.jpg?ex=681415ea&is=6812c46a&hm=2d76b5f52cb2c7ed9d473315af02ea6eb781498c7734dee37ad35a71eaa2689b&

[strong owl]

oh my GOD

[strong owl]

i will make you sailor scout marine models if you promise to paint them and do this

i am not joking

this is within my capacity

i made these guys in just the last few days

[jaunty dawn]

Does that guy have a shuriken catapult

[strong owl]

yes basically

it's a needle sniper rifle

[jaunty dawn]

Neat!

[strong owl]

and shuriken catapults were just needle guns back in the day

[jaunty dawn]

I also love bowl cut

[soft willow]

Ok. DM me and we can work out the details.

[sour sequoia]

Damn my salt is gone I just needed a break from necrons I think

GSC feel good as fuck

Lost 50-63, into deathwatch, lotta burning and back and forth killing. Host of Ascension’s go-turn is nuts

[thin ibex]

Gsc look like they're fun and dynamic to play

Just have to be ok with generally not high quality units, with some exceptions

[sour sequoia]

You have a lot of timings to hit and then trying to protect or preserve units who die into real fights

But I think a lot of armies would kill to have things like a Primus w/ Chink In Their Armor, Benefictus, or Ridgerunners

[wide veldt]

i gotta figure out my necron colors/aesthetic

[paper bluff]

The artist for nekona/ the space maids is making a codex btw

[deft crest]

I printed their models that someone made based on the art

Very good sculpts

They are my kill team for AoD and go real hard

[sour sequoia]

Most crucial fight of today’s crusade game and Im not even kidding

If the nurglings survive more than 1 round I deterministically lose on VP

If the scarabs win I deterministically win on VP

[brittle salmon]

fuckin blob fight

[junior robin]

its like epic 40k all over again

[sour sequoia]

I have killed: Belakor, 2 Great Unclean Ones, 2 Bloodthirsters

And the fucking nurglings are sealing the game

[thin ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-panda-finally-a-worthy-opponent-our-battle-will-be-legendary-battle-fight-gif-24829111

[sour sequoia]

Scarabs didn’t do it boys 😔

[tranquil ivy]

I have a nice amount of heresy infantry bits

What kinda units should i try kitbashing, chat?

[paper bluff]

Neither have OC iirc tho

Unless they have a spyder....?

[sour sequoia]

Scarabs get it near crypteks, nurglings get it near characters iirc - but the sitrep at hand for nachmund gauntlet crusade is an asymmetrical one that just cares about the attacker’s units being in my back zone of deployment

[tranquil ivy]

Holy shit what kinda objective is this i wanna try this in my gamestore 👁️

Is it Layered Defense?

Ohhh i see wait

Okay

I get it now

[pulsar cairn]

do yall think it is easy to befriend an ogryn?

[deft crest]

"Ey, Mate, You want sum of my extra rations"

Johnathan the Ogryn will now Take a mortal blow for you

Funnily enough i'm gunna be building my Bullgryn for my Ratling kill team today

-# Excited to play them and have a chance against any team that has any sort of melee, Instead of keeling over at the first sight of trouble

[pulsar cairn]

have fun!

i like to think of more silly situations in 40k cause of how depressing the setting is

[thin ibex]

if you know what youre doing i think its easy to befriend an ogryn

[pulsar cairn]

give me the funny bit where a dark angel falls down some stairs and the other dudes start laughing

[thin ibex]

it is probably also very easy to get on an ogryns bad side

[pulsar cairn]

indeed

[thin ibex]

but if you make a good first impression, that ogryn friend will prolly think the world of you for the rest of your association

[pulsar cairn]

dont some commissars get trained just to know how to deal with them?

[thin ibex]

yup!

commissars are the ones that talk ogryns into getting into a chimera, effectively talking to em like children

[pulsar cairn]

fun to think of a commissar doing that

i know the end objective there is not fun since they are probably going to die in war but i rather no think about that

[sour sequoia]

I feel like you may be in the wrong game lmfao

[paper bluff]

Funnily enough, I don't recall any of the famous commissars interacting with ogryn

[pulsar cairn]

oh yeah for sure, i like 40k but i got a bit tired of the vibe overtime

i sort of took a break from it as well

[thin ibex]

its 100% ok to step away frequently from the grimdarkness

[deft crest]

I don't normally share kickstarters but the devs for this have a good history

And this game looks like fun Gorkamorka vibes

[tranquil ivy]

I have an idea 👁️

[junior robin]

stubberin' time!

[paper bluff]

The ciaphus cain books are good for a different vibe

[empty siren]

For people who play Tau. Are Starscythes with flamers being led by farsight a good idea?

I'm running experimental cadre

I was thinking of keeping it but idk. Rn it's my dedicated overwatch unit because farsight reduces Cp cost by 1 when targeting the unit with a stratagem

I think I have enough anti elite but maybe not enough anti infantry

[thin ibex]

if you have enough anti infantry then its prolly not worth your time. +1 to W flamers are great, but they're not reliably vhicle slaying

[mental birch]

Yes

But not for vehicles

You need to up the fusion numbers

These are rookie numbers

[empty siren]

I have fusion :3

[mental birch]

For vehicles

Sadly I don't really know non retaliation crisis loadouts

[empty siren]

Two piranha units with two seekers and meltas, sunforgers being led by Coldstar with 4 fusion weapons and fusion blades enhancement

It's not amazing but I do have devilfish with seekers too. Basically my plan is too BR1, zoom to where my opponents vehicles are and just barrage with melta and seekers. Like, right off the bat

It doesn't sound like a lot of anti vehicle but I play with my friend who plays Deathguard and he only has a few vehicles

[thin ibex]

this is at 2k right?

[empty siren]

Yerrr

[thin ibex]

any railguns on the list? You've got broadsides too right

[empty siren]

I do but I thought it'd be funny

To run all missiles :)

[mental birch]

Seems a bit light for 2k and i just have 2 fusions as dedicated anti tank at that level

[empty siren]

Weapon support to ignore modifiers. Missile system and high yield

My reasoning? There's a stratagem that gives sustained hits 1, lethal hits, hazardous. Key word: hazardous. I wanna put that 4+ FNP against mortala to good use

[rocky shale]

I think the AP bonus off an enforcer is better

[thin ibex]

so youre predicting primarily elite infantry?

how many fireknives you running?

[empty siren]

Coldstar grants 12" movement iirc and assault

I need to be quick if I go first, take out big armour asap

[rocky shale]

Whichever one gives AP

[empty siren]

Only one. Fireknives, Starscythes, sunforger

[rocky shale]

Farsightbis better with meltas

[thin ibex]

its really kinda just depending on what you'll be shooting. farsight is just giving bonus to wound; which is great if you have vehicles to pop with melta; but if you're gameplan is clearing out all the infantry, he can do work on flamers

just really only want to put him on stuff thats gonna get within 9 inches

[tranquil ivy]

For legal reasons this is a Heavy Bolter

[thin ibex]

honestly since they gave primaris stubbers, i want more primaris stubbers

i want stubber marines

if guard are gonna slap heavy bolters on everything to the point of being more common than stubbers, just give guard heavy bolters and marines heavy stubbers

[rocky shale]

+1 W is good on the meltas because you already want to be in half range and S9 wounds on 5s against most big tanks so going to 4s is really ideal

[tranquil ivy]

It is advised to fire in short bursts

Otherwise recoil may cause friendly fire

I kinda wanna name it the Leviathan as a reference to Drake

[thin ibex]

you know, the firelink turret or whatever its called, it should have a gatling cannon option

[tranquil ivy]

Okay this genuinely fucks

[unreal cosmos]

That looks cool as hell

Heresy actually has one army that lets Marines take heavy stubbers, just not en masse

But still one in three for just about every unit

It's a Blackshield list option where they have to trade their bolters and bolt pistols for human weapons like auto and las guns, but get to wield them akimbo. Strength and range traded for sheer volume of fire.

A whole squad rocking dual stub carbines can go HARD

[thin ibex]

i very much vibe with with a stubber per squad

like a tactical squad actually acknowledging the application of suppressive firepower

[unreal cosmos]

The baseline lists also have support squads with rotor cannons for that purpose

[empty siren]

Is it? I suppose it would be. If I'm wounding on 3s based wounding on 2s would be even better

[empty siren]

I was also thinking of just swapping it to an enforcer for more pts and maybe switching around some stuff

[rocky shale]

I thought the enforcer was an offensive buff, not a defensive one

[empty siren]

Im not touching my infantry section because rn it's pretty okay. 3 devilfish, 2 breachers, 1 strike team. Breachers led by fireblades

[rocky shale]

Meltas are best into vehicles anyways, they're not great at killing elite infantry

[empty siren]

It is a defensive, but it's actually really good considering in going against Deathguard

They'll be lowering my toughness and have ap, and most shit doesn't have invuls

[rocky shale]

DG have low AP outside of their big melee

Most of thier shooting is low AP with lethal hits

Unless it changed with the codex

[empty siren]

Yeah but I'd be saving on like 4s possibly. It'd be nicer to save on 3s

[rocky shale]

IMO assault is still better for the flamer unit because they're so close range

The defensive buff makes more sense on anything with range

[empty siren]

Yeah. I think I need a flamer unit as well anyways

The CP to reroll the dice while determining attacks characteristics is just too good to pass up

And if I make the Coldstar lead the Starscythes I might just run an air burst, 3 flamers, and the supernova launcher enhancement (I'm doing this because I really want to use that weapon profile lol)

But I'll prolly run the better flamer enhancement just because it's better I believe

[rocky shale]

Probably

[empty siren]

I need flamers because my friend has poxwalkers and being able to wipe them with an overwatch would be nice

Is Shadowsun a good character to include?? I was thinking of using them because the aura

[thin ibex]

enforcer's buff is a reduction on incoming ap

[tranquil ivy]

Wonky grip but we fuckin' ball

[empty siren]

Yeah I think that's pretty good tbh

Especially against Deathguard. I need that survivability

[unreal cosmos]

Time for boolet

[empty siren]

Are they any good?

Iirc, it's a +1 to wound aura

[thin ibex]

its rr to hit of 1

in 6"

for all tau empire units

[empty siren]

TO WAHAPEDIA

[thin ibex]

thats wher i got the info lol

[empty siren]

Honestly. That possible cp bonus would be awesome

That is a nice reroll though actually

[empty siren]

Maybe I'll keep her around the infantry units

[mental birch]

Okay so like

Shadowsun is in if you're planning on castlebuildjng

[empty siren]

I plan to destroy as many high value targets and slow down my opponent while I score secondaries

Maybe I don't need her because I do have a flamer Starscythes unit which acts as a deterrent to pushing my squishy infantry. But at the same time. She makes my breachers hit more

But it's also like 100pts I could be using for something else....

[thin ibex]

So she's not great for aggressive board shoving to own the board

She is great for static shooting positions

[mental birch]

You pick shadowsun if you intend to bu8ld a castle and make life hell

For people moving into it

[thin ibex]

im trying a twin stormsurge list i think tonight

that im using shadowsun for

its prolly gonna lose, but its gonna be funny

[empty siren]

Gotta love big brrrt

[thin ibex]

str 24 dmg 12 gun is just hilarious

and the stormsurge really isnt otherwise very good fro the tau

so why not, right?

[empty siren]

Gotta love big brrrt

Double sent weird

I think I gobbled up all the Tau stuff at one of the hobby shops I go to lol

Not all but a solid 60%

[paper bluff]

So what's going to be your paint scheme?

[empty siren]

Purples and pinks

[tranquil ivy]

So i was discussing a color scheme for my army

I have an idea

[rocky shale]

So much free hand

[soft willow]

Nah, that's an easy stencil, or you could find one of those nail stampers with a flame pattern.

[floral herald]

Flames are also not that bad to freehand

At least if they don’t have outlines

[tranquil ivy]

Im planning on either pure red flames if I go grey, or pure BLACK if I go red

The only flames i'd need to add would be on the chestplate and the pauldrons too

And power fists if there is one

[floral herald]

Yeah that sounds good

Black flames on red is a great color scheme

[pastel rampart]

2e BA my beloved.

[tranquil ivy]

Hell yeah

[empty siren]

I LIKE THIS IDEA

DO IT

PLEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASE

The flames make them faster

[tranquil ivy]

RAAAH

"Our storm speeder is broken and we have no weapons. What do we do?!"

"Xiong Xiaoli..."

"..My Lord?"

"XIONG. XIAOLI."

[empty siren]

Should I remove the Pathfinders from my list???

Tau btw

They spot twice but honestly, my only use for them rn is to spot for both of my piranha units. Which feels like, not a waste, but a misuse of 90pts

I swapped my coldstar for an enforcer because I want the survivability and I don't necessarily plan to sprint around the map with flamers. They're an objective defender unit so the lower ap is nice

Plus. I can use the pts for a broadside ngl

With rail rifle. Not high yield because I have a two model unit of that

I decided I didn't need it. So I used the extra 100pts for a fireblade and a kroot warshaper to lead my kroot carnivores and now all my infantry have leaders

[sour sequoia]

Are all your big shooters spotted?

I like broadsides with stealth suit spots, everybody else can use pathfinder

[thin ibex]

i no longer want to use 2 stormsurges, my itch has been scratched, they just didn't do enough damage on their own

[tranquil ivy]

Folks, i'm thinking about making an assassin kitbash for my army. The question is do I make an Eversor Assassin, or a Callidus Assassin?

Eversor sounds fun because of Deadly Demise. I could just throw a bunch of grenades on his kitbash

[pastel rampart]

https://youtu.be/GWcXqGaCwdk?si=ADnxiVh5nQXWV6KW

[sour sequoia]

I think I’ve figured out a good skintone for my neophytes, now to attempt an entire 2k list of GSC in 6 weeks

Still thinking abt how I wanna do the funny veins

[pastel rampart]

Blue for the veins would compliment the purple and pale tones well.

[tranquil ivy]

Welp

This is an Eversor Assassin

Because an infantry with deadly demise is hilarious

[unreal cosmos]

I admire your proxy game

[mental birch]

Question then

What's your solution to eating a scout charge from an army like world eater?

[empty siren]

Die :)

[mental birch]

That's the pathfinders jov

Job

[empty siren]

Not going against world eaters but I do worry about Deathguard

[empty siren]

90pts to die?

Most of my list is vehicles. And vehicles with fly

I will zoom over top of the enemy

And then die afterwards

But. At least I could fly 😎

[mental birch]

90 points to die locking the turn 1 chwrge in the open

[empty siren]

My response

Flamer

The heavy...flamer

Overwatch with Starscythes with flamers

And THEN die

Really, if the opponent was able to get into charge and successfully charge. I'm actually fucked. So that's why I'm being as intensely aggressive as possible going for big threats so at least I die knowing I was able to gobble smack Mortarion with 30 billion missiles and 10 more billion missiles

[tranquil ivy]

It's all in the name of flavor my child

[empty siren]

I don't intend to survive. I intend to bring the opponent with me at the very least

[rocky shale]

Playing aggressively on early turns is like the worst possible tau strategy

You're a movement tricks army with guns, you want to hide and do secondaries and pick off poorly positioned units

[empty siren]

We ball

Aggression is my playstyle. I don't necessarily play to win either. If it's fun YIPPEEEE. :)

[thin ibex]

with montka you can play pretty aggressively tbh

[empty siren]

Kauyon fell out of interest for me because I just ehh. Didn't care about staying still for three rounds

Montka looked interesting

But experimental looks more fun

[thin ibex]

but aggressive doesn't mean poorly; its not a bad play for montka is really good for board shoving and seizing control of objectives early; the trick is your placement really matters

even more so when you only get montka's benefit in the first 3 rounds, thats when you want to do your biggest hits/take out your most important targets

[empty siren]

Yeah that's why I'm thankful to have so many flying dudes. Experimental has ways to say nuhuh to charges and even being shot at iirc

[thin ibex]

round 4-5 are when you'll be the most depleted and have the fewest come back tools

[empty siren]

I don't want to push so aggressive into my opponents face

Because my opponent is Deathguard

The extra 6" range is MMMMM

[thin ibex]

played experimental last night, its got no anti charge, it does have battlesuit heal and anti high str weapons for battlesuits

[empty siren]

18" flamers and 18" meltas 🤤

[thin ibex]

and it has a "dont target me"

[empty siren]

I want a Battlesuit unit that's all air burst weapons or smart missile systems

Off topic but that'd be a sick ass unit

[thin ibex]

the key to playing extremely aggressively with tau, tbh, is knowing the way your opponent plays intimately, so that you have good understanding of their ranges and you can play just outside of it; Experimental I've found is good for a bit more of a range and trade game

[empty siren]

That's my main concern because my friend pushes up the midboard slowly and then deepstrikes my backline

But DG have a new codex coming up...

New toys that I don't understand

[thin ibex]

not as much need to get as close with your biggest hitters, but less means to go off across the board; instead you want 1, maybe 2 doers that you'll be sinking experimental weaponry or target analyzer (i think its called) onto for major shooting cycles

spot using stealthsuits for your main "do-er" sink a maxed out experimental or target analyzer, blast for the sky from a relatively safe distance

[empty siren]

My army rn is pretty good and spread out across its roles I think

[rocky shale]

Just gotta screen those termies out

[thin ibex]

im a big fan of potentially running a full plasma fireknife squad and a plasma loaded coldstar or enforcer to just lay into targets with a huge fixed damage potential

[empty siren]

I have Fireknives who will stay closer to the back with missile racks and plasma when targetting elite infantry. Cause I now have a 24" plasma weapon and a 36" missile pods

[thin ibex]

yeah screening is important, ime experimental can crumble if the enemy gets something scary into the backline and you can't answer

happened to me with some einhyr hearthguard just running amok because i didn't QUITE screen well enough

[empty siren]

Anti infantry/semi anti elite is ny two broadsides who have a stealth suit following them around for the rerolls

[thin ibex]

id consider planning around whom your going to be spending cp's on

or intending to use them on anyway

[empty siren]

I was thinking of having Shadowsun stick around my three battleline units. Two breachers and a strike team all being led by Fireblades for the added ATK characteristics. All also in their own Devilfish so when they disembark they have a spotting unit for the +1 BS at minimum

Shadow Sun just giving the devilfish weapons +1 to wound is 🤌 also nice

[empty siren]

That's why I'm bringing farsight as well. The reduced cp for things like stat buffs or free healing. Farsight leading sunforgers I believe. So they will be a big target

I will be spending some CP on the broadsides for the sustained and lethal hits stratagem. Rerolling hits and wounds of 1 from being guided by the stealthsuits so heck yeah. Starscythes will also see their fair share of CP use because they're my a really good overwatch unit. But they will also be sticking near the infantry to give them support on holding objectivea

[thin ibex]

if you're bringing farsight you dont have any cp generating tools via ethereals, gonna have to be particular with your uses

[empty siren]

Which means they'll be next to shadow Sun so the possible return of CP from that Aura. It's incredibly situational but it'd be nice every now and again to get back a free cp

I'll try this detachment out and if I wanna try Montka I'll do Montka

Montka might work better considering how much firepower. Those lethal hits would be 🤌🤌🤌🤌🤌

[thin ibex]

try em both tbh, find what suits you

im still trying to get aux cadre to solidify for me

[empty siren]

I did just take a look at Retaliation Cadre

THE ARRO’KON PROTOCOL looks funny

Especially with all missile broadsides omfg🤤

[empty siren]

I'm not a huge fan of kroot or vespids. Idk why

I just love the robots more

[thin ibex]

no worries, different flavors appeal to different people

i just really like the combined arms aspect of the tau

[empty siren]

They're not robots. Mechs. But still

[thin ibex]

that includes robots, but i dont want only robots

[empty siren]

I played Titanfall 2 to death for a reason

https://tenor.com/view/titanfall2-legion-gif-13447461

This is why burst cannon Starscythes had me frothing at the mouth

[thin ibex]

Generally, for robots i find the two crafted detachments for them are Retaliation Cadre and Experimental Weapon Cadre

see i want the hbc riptide to be that

[empty siren]

One of these days I wanna say fuck it

Triptide

But alas, apparently that's not a valid strat anymore because apparently it was

So I propose a new fuck it we ball strat

Two'nar Dualpremacy. Two Ta'unar Supremacy models and a dream

[thin ibex]

triptide is still valid, just not dominant

the ion guns being dmg 4 is solid in a lot of scenarios

[empty siren]

My favorite is their anti infantry weapon

Damage 3. Anti infantry 2. 8 attacks. You get three of them🤌

For Ta'unar sorry I'm dumb lol

I wanted to run the burst cannon if I was running Kauyon

Wait till BR3, guide with stealthsuit (equipped with marker drone for marker light keyword). Get that beautiful sustained hits 2, ignore cover, hits on 3, reroll hits and wounds of 1, devastating wounds🤤

This is why I love Tau

[sour sequoia]

You think dark or fluorescent

[pastel rampart]

I'm thinking more icy blue, honestly. Closer to irl veins, thinned down and glazed over.

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/596197650332778498/1367939353589977320/494452726_612482715144040_3066171550612090375_n.png?ex=6816684c&is=681516cc&hm=34d22b81095cc6f95af1a20c1534484f948812a759a3e227942773d5d0415e0f&

[unreal cosmos]

I treasure this one

[runic swallow]

Iirc this is a reference to something that allegedly happened in the Falklands

[sour sequoia]

"Gyr you have a tourney in six weeks just get everybody basecoated"
The sickest fuckin infantry backpacks I've seen on GW models:

[dense sedge]

Neophytes are hard to paint

[unreal cosmos]

they're REALLY good

[sour sequoia]

Neophytes are hard to paint efficiently and also I’m running like 70

[runic swallow]

They’re such cool detailed models, but oh no they’re such cool detailed models

[jagged dawn]

Yeah GSC has the problem of “horde army + very detailed models”

There’s lots of fiddly bits on them which would be nice if you didn’t have to paint so many of the damn things

[mental birch]

Genestealer Cult Admech

Expensive detailed horde armies

[runic swallow]

That’s just Forge World 30k Mechanicum

“Here are these very detailed, 5pt units that can be fielded by the dozens, that will be $Many”

[mental birch]

Still annoyed adsecularis has

Ld values

[runic swallow]

They’re absolutely sick models, but goddamn are they pricy

[runic swallow]

Are those the Tech Thralls? Or something else

[mental birch]

Tech thralls yeah

Hahaha

[runic swallow]

Yeah those guys should have a leadership of N/A

[mental birch]

I would happily accept no ability to improve their saves

But still LD N/A should be a thing for them

[runic swallow]

Hell, it’d be great if they brought back how you used to have to “program” robots in 40k and they’d just do the last thing you ordered until destroyed or off the board

But that’s probably excessively fiddly

(But I do love historical games that make you give written orders, especially ones that can have your opponent/the referee go “hey, that’s actually super unclear, they might have got the wrong idea”)

[mental birch]

Lol write a if then program for them being near techpriests let you ignore the program

Or even have loke 3 pre written flowcharts

[runic swallow]

I think that last one was how robots used to work in 2e

[sour sequoia]

I thought neophytes were bad at 6pts/model oh god

I picked up like 2500pts for $500 and then I just went in tonight to get two more ridgerunners and two more kelermorphs, and its sinking in what an insane deal I got paying MSRP for those

[runic swallow]

I don’t remember what the actual dollar to point value is for Tech Thralls, but it’s nuts

Since you can field absolutely huge amounts of them at next to no points, but they’re Forge World models lol

And there’s been a new version of 30k since I last looked

[floral herald]

It was actually way wilder

[mental birch]

Box of 20 for poke 200 something ringgit

[floral herald]

3 pts a card

build your own logic flowchart

[mental birch]

I was thinking old nid synapse

Oh my God it's a terrible idea hut I want the return of the programming mini game

To 40k

[runic swallow]

That’s simultaneously something I understand why they cut but also super cool

And also something that fits with 40k’s more skirmish-y origins

[floral herald]

If it was more central it would be a really neat general mechanic

[mental birch]

A central base program mechanic

You bypass with HQ units that can be sniped out

They're overpriced so tempt people to just

Not have them ahhaha

Like synapse units

[upper canopy]

If the entire game

was "robot warfare but you built logic punch card decks"

That would fucking whip

[runic swallow]

Could be a real cool skirmish scale game with that

So that you don’t have too many models/logic chains to deal with

[jagged dawn]

There is a reason if we ever do a horde-ish army we’re 3d printing it

especially Krieg because dear god would we have to grab a lot of them

[runic swallow]

At least they’re plastic now, before then you had people trying to hack up the guys you could buy as a solid row to fit in the huge FW troop transport model to save some money

(It didn’t often go great)

[mental birch]

Painting the krieg sounds like hell

High detail and horde 😦

[pastel rampart]

https://www.ddinstagram.com/the_elder_medium/p/DEm0jbtSRlV/

[desert jay]

Aren’t these like 4mm tall? I’m flabbergasted

[pastel rampart]

I KNOW

AUGH

https://www.ddinstagram.com/p/DJB9KIEswa-/ what six years does to an mfer

[west zealot]

Way back when I remember a made in game maker game where you programmed bots to duke it out

[west zealot]

54mm Maine painting a 6mm marine

(from Golden demon 2007 Germany, apparently)

[dense idol]

i have a question for any of the three other people who play boarding actions

can Logan Grimnar go in a boarding strike detachment?

i have my answer: no

i was confused as to why wahapedia filtered them out of boarding strikes despite being an infantry character, but i figured it out

they're also a terminator, which is specifically disallowed for characters in the muster rules

[tall depot]

https://youtu.be/KZBtmhQbpAg?si=LDcNm4Ml8QNhUz5b

[empty siren]

I so badly wanna make a Tau list but holy moly guacamole

Crisis suits are 100CAD???

I need THREE. And I need one more piranha. I also need two more Fireblades. A kroot warshaper. Farsight....another broadside. Another stealth suit...kroot carnivores...two more devilfish

😭😭

[bold halo]

yeah there's a reason I treat warhams as a building and painting hobby first and game to play distant second, rather take my time collecting than rush to spend all that money up front

used to get a lot of mileage out of vassal to get best of both worlds, not sure what's popular for that now

[desert jay]

Also never buy MSRP

[rocky shale]

Just browse miniswap ever day forever

You will not regret this

[soft willow]

Lots of discount retailers too.

[desert jay]

Even just going to other storefronts saves you 15% to 30% new

AIUI, GW's own Amazon page is like 15% off compared to their website

[sour sequoia]

I’ll buy at the LGS for MSRP because they have a kinda ridiculous rewards program set up, and thats it

Guarantee you can get a full set of crisis suits like, 30-40% of MSRP with ebay and patience

[desert jay]

Though that still comes out to like 60 CAD

[rocky shale]

They're still one of the worst value kits for tau

[pastel rampart]

There's also plenty of 3rd-party sculptors who make their own not-Tau STLs (and the occasional just straight-up scan/recreation).

[jaunty dawn]

This is also just in general like, one shouldn’t really start this hobby by planning out a 2000 pt list and then buying everything all at once etc

[pastel rampart]

Yeah.

[jaunty dawn]

Like, its way too much investment all in one go and really tough to then deal psychologically with like building and painting everything while its looming over you, and without a decent amount of play experience your list might not actually end up being what you want to play etc

It does not help at all that the number of models you need for 2000pts has ballooned for most factions

[pulsar cairn]

you know how imperial fists removed some important organ thingy to make space marines faster during the heresy? did they add that back with primaris?

[jaunty dawn]

Yeeeees theroetically

[dense idol]

i like the idea that if a space marine doesn't get a weekly check-up with a tech-priest to inject their insulin and do dialysis on their blood and change their ceramite nappies, they keel over dead within the month

[jaunty dawn]

When primaris came out that was kinda part of the deal everyone was back to nice good gene seed but then stuff started to fail again with a lot of chapters

Which I dont think happened with imperial fists specifically but that might just be cause they havent been mentioned specifically in a while

[floral herald]

They did

Yeah I think IF’s are the one where it worked

Since IIRC their loss of the betchers gland and sus-an membrane was driven by Dorn skipping steps to make more space marines

And then I guess they were too stubborn to ever do it again after he died

[jaunty dawn]

That would make sense

[sour sequoia]

Nothing gives me more nightmares than all those posts on the subreddits of people going “hiii just got into the game” and showing like a $3k MSRP purchase all in boxes still

[desert jay]

Subsidizing miniswap after they burn out

[muted elm]

yeah this is what soured me on physical 40k vis a vis other wargames: the time and money commitment before your first game

[bold halo]

it was one of the bigger selling points of warmachine/hordes back before that imploded, your starter box was like $40 and got you playing

[thin ibex]

You can get proxies via etsy printers for much cheaper I think

[pulsar cairn]

neat!

[rocky shale]

Once you're there for a bit you start to recognize the people who buy and sell 2k armies compulsively every 2 weeks

[desert jay]

Yeah even the combat patrol format is like 200 bucks once you factor in paint and supplies

[rocky shale]

I wish combat patrol was as good as spearhead

At least then you could just buy one and mostly just play that and not feel and immediate need to go past it

[dense sedge]

Spearhead is good

[dense sedge]

Mini games are so expensive

I remember checking the full cost of games ive got on steam and the full total is just over 1k for a decade old account. My 40K purchases are probably 2/3-3/4 of that im only 3 years

[west zealot]

I mean i am very thankful for young teenage penguin mathing out their Tyranids 3E list, realizing exactulyh how much it would cost, and loosing interest immediately

[empty siren]

Would it make sense to proxy pathfinders as breachers or strike team?

I ask because I'm at my LGS and I see pathfinders for 55 and firewarriors for 80. 25 dollars saved and I already have a pathfinder team I could proxy for whatever. That would complete my battleline section too and not force me to buy 240 for three battleline units

They all share the same base size.

Proxying lol

But now I have my battleline, my broadside section, and I'm almost finished my transports

[main pagoda]

I dont think anyone will care all to much

[empty siren]

Just need farsight, two more Fireblades, one more piranha, one stealthsuits, and three crisis suits, kroot carnivores + warshaper. 😭

Might not even need all that just yet because I have a riptide to fill pts

[dense idol]

conversation happened at the group today and it got me curious

so 500 points games are generally considered a bad idea because the format massively skews listbuilding towards the toughest possible vehicles

in a way that's observable even at 1000 points but exacerbates even harder at that scale

so for each faction, what would be the most obvious, meta-chasing, sweatiest way to achieve this

[dense sedge]

Ig rus spam, necron ctans, tau battlesuits, csm cultist spam (20 for 100pts)

[rocky shale]

Is this usd or cad?

Because a strike squad is like $51usd on amazon

Pathfinders are like 38

You just don't get the turret

[rocky shale]

Big vehicle spam in anything less than 2k is rough but at 500pts some armies can barely field enough units to take objectives or do secondaries at all

[bright dove]

Do 500 point Custodes, it'll be fine.

[sour sequoia]

Necrons
Hypercrypt Legion
Incursion (1000 Points)

CHARACTERS

C’tan Shard of the Nightbringer (305 Points)
Hexmark Destroyer (75 Points)
OTHER DATASHEETS
Lokhust Destroyers (35 Points)
Ophydian Destroyers (80 Points)```

[rocky shale]

One knight warden with sticky objectives

[floral herald]

Dark Apostle 75
20 cultists - 100
20 cultists - 100
20 cultists - 100
20 cultists - 100

The Area 51 rushers

[sonic hare]

knights particularly exemplify how 500 points breaks down

[rocky shale]

2x20+4x10 is even harder to chase down

[floral herald]

True

[desert jay]

Excuse me a sec...

Cadian Castellan - 55
Cadian Castellan - 55
10 Cadian Shock Troops - 65
10 Cadian Shock Troops - 65
10 Death Korps of Krieg - 65
10 Death Korps of Kreig - 65
10 Death Korps of Kreig - 65
10 Death Korps of Kreig - 65

A little less raw bulk (62 instead of 81 models) but you get 4 orders/turn and can bring meltas

(You can prolly make up the bulk diff by picking recon element and now everyone has cover)

[rocky shale]

Getting heavy weapons and regen probably makes up for it

[desert jay]

Alternatively, if you want one unkillable blob instead of having orders:

Commissar - 30
Primaris Psyker - 60
20 Death Korps of Krieg - 130
10 Death Korps of Krieg - 65
10 Death Korps of Kreig - 65
10 Death Korps of Kreig - 65
10 Death Korps of Kreig - 65

The commissar list would be even stronger if bshock wasn't a requirement for summary execution, b/c then you can trigger grim demeanor at the top of round 1

[floral herald]

100% massed cultists isn’t that good

They don’t do much

[thin ibex]

Kroot do ok at 500, interestingly

I think votann might too

[empty siren]

CAD

Fire warriors were 80 bucks so I'm just proxying with Pathfinders because my friend is chill with it

Which is funny. Because same base size, similar shape of the models themselves. Same amount of models too. Different guns sure but it can't be THAT much more different. And yet fire warriors are 25 dollars more.

[thin ibex]

honestly even same guns if you run em with pulse carbines

[empty siren]

But I guess they're battleline and because you can take max 6 and not 3, might as well bring that price up to 80 bucks instead ya know?

Oh you know what actually justifies the price

THE PAULDRONS GOSH HOW COULD I FORGET

Def worth 25 fucking dollars more :)

[empty siren]

Wait so literally same weapons but a couple of different options?

[thin ibex]

striek teams can bring pulse carbines or pulse rifles, trading range and rapid fire for 2 shots and assault

[empty siren]

Question

What's stopping me from just using the pulse carbines and putting some pauldrons on them and just saying, "This is a strike team." Who would actually notice the difference??

[thin ibex]

someone who plays/owns a lot of tau would notice, and really the only ppl who'd care are tourny folk or wysiwyg folk

[tired cairn]

I am guessing the fire warriors are a newere kit? They usually do pricing that way

[empty siren]

What I see, and what I get is as follows: A happy bank account

I'd sooner spend 110 dollars to proxy two pathfinders as a strike team or breach team than 160 for what are almost near identical models

[tired cairn]

The benefit of being xenos is that it is far less likely that people will notice that you are using the wrong weapons for things. And the people who do notice are other xenos players who are doing the sme thing XD

Also I think people care a lot less about WYSIWYG these days?

[empty siren]

Know what

You get two crouching models with pathfinders. Crouching models imo are cooler

Also robes. Robes cooler

I guess painting fire warriors is easier because their arms aren't blocking half their body. You could also just...do subassembly

[rocky shale]

Just model them all with the same guns (i think pathfinders can do that)

[empty siren]

Iirc, drones aren't actually necessary because they're just tokens to indicate wargear options now, not actually models

[rocky shale]

Is the strike team turret a token?

[empty siren]

So if you just make it clear, you don't even worry about the drones not working

[empty siren]

They're not counted as models

It's just wargear

It helps identify who has what but guess what. Shas'ui models can only equip drone stuff as wargear. If you just show in your list what he has. Bang boom done. I actually thought about getting one of those like plastic signs for planting

One'a'these bad boys. And just sticky tacking it to the back of the shas'ui model. Write down whatever drone he has so it's ez for my opponent to know

Granted. In tournaments, you prolly ask the tournament organizer right? Cause the expectation is painted minis and professionalism I imagine

[floral herald]

At least for the moment drones are equipment not models so they’re kind of a weird grey area

[empty siren]

I ain't gonna build them at the moment

It feels like it'd just be an inconvenience for common situations so I won't bother in casual games

A drone is a model in front of your unit and your opponent is checking charge range? Tsk tsk tsk, you don't measure to its base you measure to this guy's base. Checking for model visibility? Nope, that drone doesn't actually exist, so even tho it's out of cover the unit is still in cover. It'd just be an inconvenience. Not saying it's a waste of time to build drones, they're still models and you should paint and build your growing pile of grey shame

[rocky shale]

In a game store you're gonna be fine

In a RTT or equivalent you might not need WYSIWYG but proxying entirely different models might not fly

The main reason to build drones is to have visual clarity for your opponent as to which drones the unit has

[mental birch]

I will place drones annoyingly because putting them on the battlefield is already a nuisance

ahahah

[dense idol]

okay i'll come clean

the hypothetical 500-point meta-chasing isn't actually theoretical at all

despite my protestations, our group is deciding to do 500-point games next week

is it wrong for me to try and optimise under these circumstances?

[empty siren]

What do they expect you to run? Garbage? Lmfao, I mean this as a joke

[dense idol]

i mean, i'm playing within the boundaries of the ruleset that's been set out for me

[empty siren]

Yeah do it. You only have so many pts to work with

If I was in your shoes, I'd just run a single storm surge and two ethereal for the memes

[jaunty dawn]

fire warriors cost more cause they have more sprues

there is 50% more plastic in the box

cause they have 10 of three different types of weapon, mainly

[empty siren]

Are they optimizing?

Or is it meme lists

[dense idol]

i think the primary impetus is that they feel restricted by the arbitrary rules of the boarding actions ruleset

rules like "you can't just spam fifteen melee elites into this map of tight corridors"

[jaunty dawn]

This does also mean you have plenty of spare weapons to put on pathfinder bodies if one is so inclined

[pastel rampart]

https://bsky.app/profile/chaospriestess.bsky.social/post/3loftmplfvc2n

darksynthia gothrock ☽︎|☾ (@chaospriestess.bsky.social)

The Primarchs as dracula flow lines: a thread

Bluesky · May 5, 2025, 7:24 AM

[paper bluff]

Looool i just checked and that wouldn't even be 10 models. It's just 2 4-person units of c. Guard and a shield captain

[paper bluff]

Big models are fun to paint

[still warren]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/2pgti3di/prepare-for-the-next-generals-handbook-with-the-scourge-of-ghyran/ seems interesting, units are getting new ghyran variants that you can choose between

Good way to do "seasonal" content and not inflate the the amount of models armies have or make players buy new ones

[junior robin]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/yom5sqsp/imperial-knights-revealed-the-knight-defender-is-the-greatest-building-sized-bodyguard-in-the-imperium/

new knight

[paper bluff]

Shame knights have barely any model rizz

[floral herald]

Ooh conversion Beamer

[floral herald]

Go back to the 70s hippie

Bell bottom war machine ass

(I honestly find it really funny how bell bottom feet are kind of realistic for walking machines)

[pastel rampart]

It looks like it'd shuffle around like a toddler.

[thin ibex]

it clicked for me after my first game against the votann, but their biggest strength is adjusting the frequency of crits, meaning they can trigger things like conversion beams far more easily

[still warren]

It looks like it's wearing someone's skin with that tan color

[main pagoda]

The big knights are so funky looking

the volcano cannon one just being angry sphere on legs

[pulsar cairn]

From far away it looked like the left one had a clown nose until i actually took a look at it that is.

[mental birch]

Which faction?

If t'au and you wanna cause some suffering

Too many kroot

[dense idol]

necrons

[mental birch]

How many points is 20 warriors?

[dense idol]

the meta for "proving this was a bad idea from the start and probably causing an argument about gentleman's agreements or whatever" seems to be nightbringer + miscellaneous objective holders

that, or the ol' reliable orikan + reanimator + 20 warriors tarpit

warriors are 90 points for 10, 200 points for 20

[mental birch]

Clealey Ordikan

Yeah

[mental birch]

Orrikan reanimator is funnier for suffering IMO

Night bringer is beatable with prethought

[past sphinx]

I'm eating good

Love a conversion beamer

[mental birch]

Orrikan at this scale can't be beat outside of sheer nonsense like 2 breachers+2 fireblades in Kauyon on turn 3

[pulsar cairn]

were knights used in 30k?

[paper bluff]

I'm going to bring a ghost ark too

[paper bluff]

Yea

In lore, they were always there but not mentioned, out of lore, they started showing up/being mentioned when GW released the faction

[pulsar cairn]

ooh i see

[dense idol]

the Tarpit takes up 355 points in total

with the models i have, i can fit 3 skorpekh destroyers and a lokhust heavy destroyer into the remaining 145 points exactly

question; does Their Number Is Legion apply to all activations of Reanimation Protocols from any source, including the second D3 from Reanimators?

[mental birch]

Orikan the Diviner (80pts): Staff of Tomorrow, Warlord
Chronomancer (65pts): Chronomancer's stave

20x Necron Warriors (200pts)

3x Canoptek Scarab Swarms (40pts)
3x Canoptek Scarab Swarms (40pts)
Canoptek Reanimator (75pts): 2x Atomiser beam, Reanimator's claws

My nonsense brain is screaming all in the tarpiy

Hahahaha

[soft willow]

Nah they existed in Epic long before 40k, so they were there just not as focused on.

[pastel rampart]

They also existed in 40k back in the 90s but it was with the old Armorcast model and more a showpiece than, y'know, a unit to put on the field.

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/knight-0.jpg

https://prometheusrising.net/2020/12/26/warhammer-40k-armorcast-reaver-and-warhound-titans-legio-ignatum-fire-wasps/ I do like the goofiness of the old models.

[paper bluff]

Was that forge world(usa)?

[pastel rampart]

Armorcast, actually.

They did a bunch of 40k stuff in the 90s.

[paper bluff]

I know that model and played against it in 30k. A buddy of mine has some

[pastel rampart]

http://www.modernsynthesist.com/2012/02/tyranid-archive-armorcast-tyranids-and.html They did a bunch of imperial and eldar knights, a handful of orks, and these--some tyranid bio-titans.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tyranids/comments/ta6u0i/remember_armorcast_so_happy_to_finally_have_all/

[sour sequoia]

It does say dice plural. IIRC it works.

[rocky shale]

I wonder if CK will get to steal it

[jaunty dawn]

Probly not

With the preceptor prescedent

[rocky shale]

True, it is getting moved to a box where CK gets none of the variants

[past sphinx]

They've got a big flamer coming

[tired cairn]

Add the Cerastus knight to the codex you GW, you cowards

Having two nearly identical kits for the Questoris chasis is a weird choice though

[paper bluff]

They can't just let you have the sprues to magnetize a model and you have 7 different versions of it. Then you could actually have fun trying out multiple versions of a knight depending on the game rather than buying 7 different knight

GW would starve! They need to to buy all those knights. Won't you think of the poor stock holders

[past sphinx]

I bet I could find a plasma cannon and conversion Beemer for questorus on an stl site right now

[paper bluff]

100%. The important bits that make this new knight different from the old ones are 3 bits

Literally these. Not even the back of those guns

[jaunty dawn]

I mean I dont think its a bad thing that theyre not making the knight box yet another half an inch thicker and more expensive

[paper bluff]

Good news is the canis rex wasn't legended

I still bet he's going to get hit with an angron sized nerf-stick

[jaunty dawn]

Canis rex is nuts

[past sphinx]

Maybe a hot take but the questorus box is already packed full so maybe having the option for another loadout in another box is good

Big fan of slapping mustaches on these boys

[paper bluff]

The questoris box was our combat patrol

[empty siren]

YOOO. SICK

Looks like a firefighter

Haircut, moustache

[upper canopy]

You're about to feel the might of Fenris, brotherrr

Wolfamania runnin' wild

[empty siren]

YOU'RE SO RIGHT

[past sphinx]

Space hulk-amania

[empty siren]

Snap into a slim Jim, heretic!

[empty siren]

Ngl

It'd be fun to make astartes models doing like normalish jobs

Yellow and red aggressor with flamer working the McDonald's grill

[rocky shale]

In honor of Grey Knights not actually getting the hammers they're modeled with, I made a "grey knights" list that does get hammers

[empty siren]

Brother, after the crusade I thought I'd have the skills to have whatever job I wanted. I didn't think my thousands of years of purging the heretics would only get me an entry level dishwasher position

[pine matrix]

Adding more mutations to this beastman, cause the fluxbray is not fluxed enough

[empty siren]

I always wondered

What would the chaos gods do if they actually ruled the galaxy?

[jaunty dawn]

Get bored

[rocky shale]

Chaos things

Fight each other

[empty siren]

Does khorne just make a galaxy spanning blood farm or is that too weak? Like, he's empowered by war, but if he conquered the whole fucking galaxy, other than small or the occasional big rebellions, what is their to do?

[jaunty dawn]

Like that’s basically what happens with end times

[rocky shale]

Khorne loves infighting

[jaunty dawn]

And they kinda just scrunch it into a ball and move on to the next game

[empty siren]

They thought they wanted to conquer the world then realized the real reason was the friends they made along the way?

Khorne I suppose would just have infighting so he's fine. Probably just a tiny bit bored but whatever

[rocky shale]

I don't think that they goal is explicitly to conquer anything so much as just being hungry amorphous warpy gods

[empty siren]

Slaanesh. If you have all the excess of whatever you want in the galaxy, is it really excess if there's no one to tell you it's excessive? Like I feel a reason for excess is because it's taboo. It can't be taboo if there's no one trynna make rules

[rocky shale]

They don't want to rule they just want to have everyone doing their thing to empower them

[rocky shale]

I think there's sort of a absolute measurement reference for excess that slannesh definitely hits

Not really relying on a cultural definition

[floral herald]

Civil wars

[empty siren]

I suppose it has the best reference to go off of

Its own birth is probably the best reference to go off of considering the sheer amount of excess and emotion and pleasure and everything, considering it, ya know...birthed a fucking chaos God

Tzeentch would just be kinda funny if they ruled the galaxy

Because they'd probably say they don't actually rule the galaxy and then tell others they could rule the galaxy because there's an open seat. Then just sit back and watch everyone stab eachother in the backs

[floral herald]

The chaos gods I think don’t really have much of a consistent interest in the galaxy

[empty siren]

Yeah but it's kind of a hypothetical

[floral herald]

We can infer some stuff from the destiny in 30k

[empty siren]

What if, they did

[floral herald]

Which is total unyielding universal oblivion in a perfect moment of absolute destruction

[empty siren]

What do the chaos gods even want? Is it just worship and das bout it?

[floral herald]

They wanna fuck over the other 3

[empty siren]

That's funny

Does that at all feed into tzeentch??

They wanna fuck each other over, but the god of fucking people over is the guy you wanna fuck over

Don't they all somewhat feed off each other in some way?

Well actually, some of them feed off each other in some way but some just straight up don't. Like Nurgle and Tzeentch

Slaanesh and Khorne on the other hand. Khorne doesn't care how much blood flows so long as it flows. At what point does the relishing in the spilling of blood and hate and rage become excessive

[paper bluff]

I thought it was genuinely said that if zeech won the great game he'd do a reset to loose and start again

[empty siren]

You know what? That makes sense for him. It's kinda all a game to him I suppose so why not just reset

[pastel rampart]

Tzeentch is the mega-planner doing schemes within schemes within schemes but it doesn't seem like there's any end result he's aiming for. Bird man is doing it for the love of the game, not for any real end goal.

[empty siren]

On that end, is it weird I wanna see mixes of daemons? Like a Keeper of Secrets mixed with a Bloodthirster

Chances are. It's literally impossible

[floral herald]

He did but the other gods broke his staff and created magic

[empty siren]

But just like, model wise. A kitbash of a keeper of secrets and a Bloodthirster would be kinda awesome

[thin ibex]

I feel like "what would the chaos gods do if they ruled" would be "look at the warp, that's a place where they rule"

Bloodthirster with feathered wings would be sick

Get em blood stained

[floral herald]

Oh wait it changed

[thin ibex]

Also blood thirster in a traditionally tzeentch color scheme, adorned with multiple accessories and such, would be a cool twist on the keeper

[empty siren]

A Nurgle-ified Lord of Change

"Lord of Entropy" or something

[thin ibex]

Oh a great unclean one as a keeper of secrets

[paper bluff]

The horned rat

[empty siren]

They should bring the skaven into 40k

I'm joking but that'd be funny

[paper bluff]

It was the hrud the whole time would be a great joke

[west zealot]

I have kicking around in my head the idea of a Noise marine warband who worship Tzeentch-Slaneesh, Perfection in change
And so have a Keeper of Change & Lord of Secrets as patron demons

[west zealot]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ehtsHfD0SeQ&pp=ygUEaHJ1ZA%3D%3D

[paper bluff]

I just realized we do have a tzeech influenced bloodthirster

Skarbrand

[thin ibex]

if he's our like... barrier to entry, i feel like every entity ever is a tzeentch influenced entity

you never know when you're involved in tzeentch's schemes

[past sphinx]

And thats how he gets you

Could becoming a conspiracy loon be a form of tzeench worship?

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah definitely

[soft willow]

There's a weird 40k science fantasy book that's mostly written from the viewpoint of Tzeench cultists on a fringe eye of terror world.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Pawns_of_Chaos_(Novel)

[paper bluff]

Buddy, guess what. A look is already a bird so

And birds with conspiracy theories are already tzeech daemons

[untold swallow]

loons also have an appropriately haunting cry

https://youtu.be/Ib0CxvL8Bp8

[floral herald]

I gotta check this out

[tranquil ivy]

I

Have...

An...

IDEA

[tranquil ivy]

Ideas ideas

[tranquil ivy]

Its getting real Monster Hunter up in here

[tranquil ivy]

I have made a Gunlance

[tranquil ivy]

Sword and Shield, Gunlance, Longsword, Power Claw (literally)

Good conversions i'd say :)

[paper bluff]

The trading continues

[sour sequoia]

GSC progress so far. We’re in it now lads

[junior robin]

finally, penny loafer primaris Lieutenant

[sour sequoia]

First scourge of ghyran update dropped

New sheets for screaming bell and brood terror, 2 battle formations, 3 heroic traits

All bonus options for the next year of matched play

[tardy vault]

Skaven got more in this drop than they got in their battletome lol

and apparently they're fairly solid options

[sour sequoia]

Double screaming bell + clanrats or rat ogre bricks is gonna hit like a fucking freight train

“Here is my tide of abysmal dogshit. You get -1 to hit -1 to wound and I’ll receive: 5+ ward, +1 to wound, up to +3 to charge and they’re all move 8”

everything healing everything restoring lost models

[sour sequoia]

Skaven’s pretty close to being in a great spot but its all been coming from the damn points erratas and making the silly 100 and under heroes proper bonus heroes, rather than the tome

They were comically overcosted at codex release, like ratling guns could probably stand to be 190 and every other sheet could stand to be 10-20 cheaper

[tardy vault]

ratling guns are 170 WTF!?

I had to spend an entire turn off Morathi just to kill a reinforced unit of the fuckers

(Skaven player bopped them into my backline so I brought around a block of spear snakes to deal with them. They were saving a CP for the covering fire, however, so I had to move Morathi an inch closer than the spears just to soak it. If I didn't have to do that I could have gotten another turn out of her)

[spice flicker]

Working on creating a narrative battle for some friends in a pseudo-crusade of sorts I am organizing for them. The idea was have 2 of the players team up with 1k lists each against some traitor guardsmen that they outnumber in points starting off. At the start of round 2 however, the leader of the traitors pray to the gods requesting helping with the prayers being answered in the form of a pair of greater brass scorpions and some venomcrawlers coming out of deepstrike (or strategic reserves) to lend the traitors aid. Would this be too much for a pair of 1k lists to handle? If I was to change it up to give the traitors more initial forces, should I trade out the venomcrawlers for more cultists (totally not cannon fodder) and traitor heavy weapon squads? What do you think?

[still warren]

skaven finally learning to lend a hand to those in need

[tardy vault]

Up to 4 free all our attacks is very nice.

And also that's horrifying flavor lol

[paper bluff]

Congrats, they specifically said you are to be made into a servitor

[empty siren]

I love Fireknives

Missiles are funny

[tranquil ivy]

Me when Monster Hunter

[empty siren]

I wanna run two Fireknives and one sunforger unit

But I need Starscythes for flamers😭

And it is good to have versatility I suppose...but...but missiles😔

Pissed at myself

My first ever game with Tau was against knights on table top sim

315 POINTS. I COULD HAVE RUN THEM IN THE LIST. I COULDA OBLITERATED THOSE KNIGHTS

Ong, all I would need for a 2k game is x1 Ta'unar Supremacy Armour, x2 AX Tiger sharks, and if I have the pts a storm surge and some stealth suits and infantry for spotting

[pastel rampart]

If you got some fine jewelry chain, that might look good to make it look like the tyranid head was fashioned to the shield that way.

[empty siren]

I agree with this

Idk much about monster hunter and it's aesthetic. But if you're mixing it with 40k. Might I recommend like a bandolier with Tyranid teeth or claws

[pastel rampart]

If the chain doesn't look right/doesn't suit your aesthetics, some fake bolts in the carapace can also work. I personally use sewing pins (aka dressmaker pins) with a flat top for that.

[empty siren]

What would be kinda cool is a knife sheathed on the back of the shield like a back up weapon

Bone knife or something

[empty siren]

This would be sick too. Makes more sense then chained because that's something that could be caught and grabbed by a claw

Brutal as hell, having a tyranid head chained to your shield tho

[pastel rampart]

I think it really depends on the chapter. BT would absolutely chain that shit, same with Ultras. IF and IH would probably use bolts.

[empty siren]

BT FOR SURE

I'd love a BT monster hunter detachment wait wtf

Like imagine a group of elite BT monster hunters- wait that's fucking awesome. Hold up wait wait wait wait

I need this now

I need to kitbash this for no reason other than it sounds cool

[pastel rampart]

I've been thinking of how to include some tyranid stuff in my retro Blood Angels army.

Friend of mine is redoing their tyranids and we both agreed to have matching bases cuz honestly we'd probably just be playing against each other most of the time, so we're both gonna paint up some downed marines/dead 'nids to add to our bases.

[thin ibex]

so who's the pre-emininent nid specialist, the Ultras or the Blood Angels these days?

[soft willow]

The Deathwatch, but like Ultra's are the tyrannic war veteran squads.

Also that reminds me that I have a pile of Tyrannic War Veteran transfer sheets.

[thin ibex]

i know both chapters faced annihilation by the nids, and the BA were only saved by the intervention of Khorne

but BA never got tyrannic war vets, ultimatly

[soft willow]

Yeah they're kinda the "specialists" more feels like Ultra's adapted and made some battle changes to deal with Tyranids, and BA just said yeah we'll fight them too.

[jaunty dawn]

Ultras have tigurius

[pastel rampart]

Ultras were the first to deliver a defeat to the 'nids and have a lot of vets as a result. But also they're the "logistics" chapter thanks to Robby G, so they take a lot of their studying of the enemy and combat data very seriously.

[empty siren]

Me. I am

(sorry ping

[deft crest]

Theres my lad! I love that man!!!

[dense idol]

continuing my theory crafting on how to optimally ruin a game night to prove a point:

what sounds more agonizing to face in a 500 points cap match: shard of the nightbringer, or 20 warriors + reanimator + orikan tarpit

[rocky shale]

Probably nightbringer since the warriors are slow

[sour sequoia]

Orikan and Nightbringer serve the same purpose, dunking elites - but nightbringer does it every round on the table

There is simply not enough shooting power in 500pts to kill a ctan, and you scare Angron/Lion/supertanks

[dense idol]

I'm not expecting to see many other superheavies

the group (minus me and my persistent protestations) decided that the restrictions of boarding actions and combat patrols were too stifling, and yearned for total freedom of listbuilding

[sour sequoia]

Boarding actions is great!! Augh

I am in agreement combat patrol is. Quite bad actually. They need to go into it all at once like Spearhead

[dense idol]

i place more personal value in a balanced ruleset to play under, and intend to demonstrate that maybe there's a reason those lists are restricted at such small points values

[sour sequoia]

Ctan Shard and primarchs is like, quite literally the reason why

300pt units that are purpose built to trade up / become gods strongest distraction carnifex getting rapid ingressed onto you or marched up the center

Literally last week nightbringer soloed two bloodthirsters and nearly killed a great unclean one that came in after

[empty siren]

I saw ctan shard

Is it viable to still do three ctan shards?

I remember that being a meme that was actually pretty good. Or I'm going crazy and imagine things :3

It was teleporting around the map in the opponents deployment zone and making it near impossible to leave iirc

[sour sequoia]

Hypercrypt is still great, but I think ctan shards have basically been relegated to noobstomping bin besides a nightbringer for elite trading or a transcendant in canoptek court / starshatter for a hypermobile scoring unit

Taking more than 1 is investing too hard into a particular kind of statcheck when you can be bringing vehicles or skorps or troops

[paper bluff]

Consider having nightbringer and void dragon vs a guard player

[empty siren]

I wish the experimental cadre had more like wacky goofy stuff

The sustained or lethal and weapon buffs are nice but like

A stratagem to give like blast or torrent to a weapon profile or something

Broken? Yes. But lethal or sustained and weapon buffs doesn't feel experimental. I want ork level of bullshittery

[jaunty dawn]

Too fun

All the prototype weapon enhancements are relatively pedestrian

[empty siren]

I want ork level bullshit man

I want the Tau to go full silly just this once

[mental birch]

sadly prototype weapon systems in Ret is already lethal/sustained

hahaha

[jaunty dawn]

Like fusion blades that are just…better fusion blasters rather than the unique item that captured ppls imagination

[empty siren]

Or stratagems for specific units

[mental birch]

But we have 6 only

ahahaa

[empty siren]

I know :((((

[mental birch]

you can't do that kind of thing with only 6 strats

haahah

Unless it's a detachment with a very narrow foxus

focus

[empty siren]

You could do specific weapon profiles maybe

Choose models with X weapon profile

Something. I just want more experimental. It doesn't feel experimental

I wanna do homebrew detachments with my friends ngl

That'd be fun and broken

[subtle bough]

hello is this also an age of sigmar chat

[runic swallow]

Yep

[mental birch]

I'm cackling

at the dwarvern charge counter of rolling more than 3 on a d6 retreat with a boat

ahahhaha

[subtle bough]

anyone here got the new soulblight gravelords tome? i just need to know what size the cursed sepulchres are but i don't have the tome myself

[west zealot]

Extra cursed, but only medium spooky. (I have no idea, sorry)

[thin ibex]

gonna try out unending swarm tomorrow

[desert jay]

Unending Swarm got ripped off by that global change to spawn stratagems and can only use them once

Unending Swarm >ends

[thin ibex]

oh shoot was unaware of that, thats a bit lame, but im still gonna give em a go

just feel the itch to have a massive zerg army

hmm, is there anywhere i can find that in general rules?

[desert jay]

It’s in the errata/balance dataslate

It’s still good the first time I think but Nids isn’t who was abusing respawn strats

[thin ibex]

I think 2 cp to get a 20 man squad back is still pretty good at least

[sour sequoia]

honestly, invasion fleet and hungybugs detachment both can support gant swarms pretty good, given what it turns tervigons into

[jaunty dawn]

https://thehorushearsay.com/

[mental birch]

Beautiful shitpost

[pulsar cairn]

ya know

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX7-FgakFSo

they would probably hate each other but this is cute

[uneven ember]

they shmoovin

[upper canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/456209913438273538/1192195077091627048/IMG_1411.jpg?ex=681db570&is=681c63f0&hm=0abe7e828f0ac223099f08220bdecd04d0d522f1e7d0958e150511d7dd731272&

refound this

[upper bluff]

I'd but that for a dollar

[uneven ember]

T-1000 ass

[empty siren]

I want to take a bite out of that thing

But I feel like I'd be picking paint gunk out of my gums which isn't ideal

Otherwise

https://tenor.com/view/ntuni-cat-chew-crunch-funny-gif-23922784

[upper canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bxsHsXbaw64

[empty siren]

Hmm

I have a broadside with a rail rifle

I'm stuck between plasma and seeker or missiles and weapon system

Actually that's a no brainer just realized. They're not going against infantry, missiles ain't necessary

Split fire also is just bad with Tau

[empty siren]

I had a dumb idea for a Tau

x3, three model Broadside units with missile system and weapon system and missile drones.
x3 all missile Fireknives
Shadowsun
x3 stealth suits
Whatever else you can fit in

Mmmissiles🤤

I need to learn how to do Table Top Sim 40k so I can do stupid shit

[jaunty dawn]

Bring skyrays!

The stormsurge is also like 60% missile haha

Idk how well that fits

[empty siren]

I wish it wasn't expensive lol. 400pts. It's decent but eh. It's anti titan/towering mostly

But for more pts and anti infantry bullshit...

Ta'unar Supremacy Armour

The amount of attacks is fucking insanity

Mmm. Three pulse ordnace drivers with 8 attacks, 4+BS, 5str, -1ap, 3dmg and anti infantry 2+

I need a Tau crisis suit unit that is loaded with airburst weapons. I need that so bad

[mental birch]

Calm down there 9e Codex T'au

😛

[past sphinx]

Would you look at that

Some of Cawls dogs finally broke the leash

[floral herald]

What book is that in?

[upper canopy]

Emperors children I'd reckon

[soft willow]

Just double checked but that's not from the EC book.

Art of Warhammer maybe?

[thin ibex]

Wasn't airburst spam a contributer to big indirect nerfs way back when?

Tau seem to be involvd in a lot of like rule nerfs over time

[floral herald]

It was a contributor but the problem was the rule

Making 1 way shooting was just goated for everyone who could

[mental birch]

1 way shooting at zero cost is

Not great