Warhammer and Such

[pastel rampart]

If you want streets/asphalt, no joke? Sand paper. Fine-grit glued on top of the base, painted black with a light drybrush of dark grey is damn near the perfect texture for it. You can even paint on yellow/white lines for that actual street look. You can of course, combine it with the above rubble advice for a nice mixed look to it.

If you have some dry pigment, that goes great with it too. Warzone urban environments are dirty and grungy, so get in there with the pigment and use it along the feet/ankles of the models. Helps blend them into the environment.

[dense idol]

absolutely insane conclusion to my most recent boarding actions game

score is shaping up to be 13 : 11 to me, but that could become 13 : 13 if my opponent can claim one more objective by the end of his final turn

in the way of that objective is The Little Necron Warrior That Could

[thin ibex]

Hmm OK, this'll be my first time basing and I have not a lot of extra bits, and my models are already glued to the bases... sand seems a potentially good solution. Gotta go get some chunks from the yard maybe. I think I have they Grey's I need and I have spare sprue.

[dense idol]

this warrior withstands a multi-melta, flamestorm gauntlets, and the twin power fists, with only one command reroll needed

[pastel rampart]

If you want a lifetime supply of sand that's also been, y'know, sanitized, Home Depot sells 50lb bags for like $7.

[thin ibex]

Oh snap

[dense idol]

i was so gobsmacked that when i arrived home i did the statistics instead of sleeping

2/3 to hit, 5/6 to wound, 5/6 to pass save, 50/108 chance to kill
2/3 to hit, 5/6 to wound, 5/6 to pass save, 50/108 chance to kill
chances of none hitting are (50/108)^2 = 2500 / 11664 ~= 2/9

flamestorm gauntlets:
7 attacks(!!!), each one has 1/4 chance to wound and 1/2 to pass save, so 1/8 to inflict damage total
chances of none hitting are (7/8)^7 = 823543 / 2097152 ~= 2/5

twin power fists:
2/3 to hit, 35/36 to wound, 5/6 to pass save, 350/648 (~= 7/13 ) chance to kill
2/3 to hit, 35/36 to wound, 5/6 to pass save, 350/648 (~= 7/13 ) chance to kill
2/3 to hit, 35/36 to wound, 5/6 to pass save, 350/648 (~= 7/13 ) chance to kill
chances of none hitting are (6 / 13) ^ 3 ~= 1/10

chances of ABSOLUTELY NO DAMAGE is 2/9 * 2/5 * 1/10 = 4 / 450 (!!!!!)```

[thin ibex]

Might be harder to spray base with the model already on, but I can probably brush base it once the glue dries and the sand is on the base

[pastel rampart]

Home Depot is also a great spot to grab pine bark, which is just the most useful shit in the world. Instant rocks for basing, great for terrain.

[dense idol]

that is a <1% chance

[thin ibex]

I'm so close to actually having my first squad ever fully painted and based lol. It's been slower than 99% of hobbyists but it's still kind of exciting

My first models were space wolves that I never based, just painted

[pastel rampart]

One way I've gotten around that is to make my own sand paste. This is just sand, white glue, a bit of water, and craft paint--in your case, black--that you mix up in an airtight container until it gets to a consistency not unlike a Slurpy. Gotta adjust as you go but it's easy.

Slap that on and wait to dry, then brush as needed. I usually stick with a brown color.

(I cannot stress enough to use an airtight container, that shit WILL dry out otherwise; but even then it might get a little dry/thick, just add a bit of water and stir)

[dense idol]

pictured: The Little Necron Warrior That Could, alongside Firstborn Clown Aggressor

[sour sequoia]

Pine bark and sandpaper is great—I’m super partial to buying thin cork and breaking by hand for street mimicry, the texture on both sides feels deceptively close to the way old asphalt breaks up

[pastel rampart]

I grabbed a giant fuck-off bag of pine bark from Home Depot and I'm basically set for life. It filled a 52 liter plastic container lmao

[thin ibex]

Thanks guys!

[pulsar cairn]

What are you using it for?

[pastel rampart]

Oh, y'know.

Stuff.

(Mostly terrain, but also useful for basing if broken up into chunks)

[thin ibex]

I know nothing about pine bark but I presume it has a consistency that makes it versatile for hobby stuff?

[pastel rampart]

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/56af6e7837013bc580443c95/1679408255508-29GVMBUYV7PGDA4V6PCH/IMG_8033.jpg

It basically already looks like rocks.

https://d2j6dbq0eux0bg.cloudfront.net/images/26177256/3698619063.jpg

[thin ibex]

Oh huh yeah, but how small is it?

Does it also break into smaller, rock like bits?

[pastel rampart]

It varies. Because it's used mostly for landscaping it comes in all kinds of sizes in the bag and you can't get a specific size, but yeah you can break it up into smaller chunks.

It can be broken up by hand or cut in half. It's kinda soft so it doesn't take a lot of force.

https://thetacticalpainter.blogspot.com/2021/10/making-rocky-outcrops-for-arid-terrain.html

[paper bluff]

That necron warrior is going to have a bad time unless he is with orikan

[pastel rampart]

https://scarhandpainting.com/tutorial-diy-warhammer-rock-formations/

[wide veldt]

alright we're locking in and checkin out necrons

[rocky shale]

First you're gonna want 3 monoliths

[wide veldt]

okay so: reanimation protocols just heals units, it can't bring a totally destroyed unit back to life

[sour sequoia]

Correct. Its at its best on single wound models or single high wound models, lychguard/skorpekh/wraiths get quite hard to bring back

[wide veldt]

whatre the thoughts on the detatchments

[rocky shale]

I know Awakened Dynasty and Hypercrypt are both pretty good

Looks like current highest WR are phalanx and starshatter though

[wide veldt]

AD seems simple but good

and man it seems like theres was a big power creep with the thing that starshatter is from lol

[rocky shale]

Canoptek and the destroyer one are the worst I think

[wide veldt]

cause it looks like its the same thing haloscreed is from

[rocky shale]

That's from grotsmas

Around chstimas they gave very faction a new detachment

Giving every necron vehicle assault is just very solid because they have good vehicles that are kinda slow

[floral herald]

The grotmas ones are probably stronger than average because they’re all pretty good and most armies have a detachment or 2 which is butt

In their codex

[rocky shale]

Such as the destroyer cult one which gives shooting buffs to primarily melee units

Literally one one character gets the shooting buff from that detachment

Not even a full unit

[thin ibex]

canoptek was pretty strongk for a bit

dunno about now

but i think it was cause of synergy with wraiths an wraiths are very efficiently tanky

[rocky shale]

Canoptek is one of the lower WR ones but it's not horrible

[thin ibex]

its got teh ol daemon mechanic

of controlling zones

for benefit

the GK also got it

[rocky shale]

Oh, I can't imagine that's too good then

Those mechanics seem like they would make it hard to come back from a rough start

[brittle salmon]

The GK one actually picked up a good array of GT results pre nerf

[thin ibex]

purifiers are cool

[rocky shale]

I think that one is helped because purifiers also give the aura

It's not just battlefield control

[wide veldt]

Wah a monolith btw

[thin ibex]

I'm a silly guy and like to build necrons in big blobs and with a monolith

[sour sequoia]

Lowdown on Necrons: The Meta List currently uses AD. Hypercrypt and Starshatter are the stronger detachment rules, decent Strats but they’re heavily nerfed compared to what they used to be. Canoptek Court has some funny stuff but ultimately revolves around triple doomstalker and shitloads of wraiths and can struggle into hullspam.

Obeisance is perfectly good but its basically obligatory Silent King, Lychguard and Praetorians only really exist as scoring/sit on obj. units.

I think Awakened Dynasty, Hypercrypt, Canoptek have the most fun stuff to do. Your biggest chokepoint is finding antitank basically, never leave home without doomsday arks or lots of Lokhust Heavies.

Annihilation Legion is literally the worst detachment in the game and has been since it released. It exists only for people who say ‘I am running 18 skorpekhs, 30 flayed ones, 3 skorp lords’ — and frankly skorpekhs and lokhusts get bigger better buffs in Awakened Dynasty

I sound like a killjoy on this but it is not for lack of trying funny things, the detachment just does not do much at all.

[dense idol]

au contraire, actually

they survived a consecutive multi-melta, flamestorm gauntlets, and twin power fists all in a row

no chronomancer, no invulnerable, no fnp, just a 4+ save and a dream

[paper bluff]

They're big scary units that can pop out some units right in front of it

Do they deserve that fear? Not really IMO

The C'tan tho. They're scary and they should be afraid of them

[sour sequoia]

Drop a pyramid on em

[thin ibex]

It's an iconic model, though the "newer" one sometimes feels way less solid

Which makes it feel a tad less imposing

But they are extremely hard to kill efficiently iirc

[bright dove]

T 13, 2+ save, and 22 wounds says yes, hard to kill efficiently

[thin ibex]

hypercrypt helps them with stratagems and also the ability to teleport around pesky terrain

cause they are very big

[sour sequoia]

Putting the new one on a circle base feels so bizarre tbh I’m with you there

[past sphinx]

YEAH BABY

its no storm rider but damn

[floral herald]

Delicious

[thin ibex]

this shit looks fuckin sick tbh

[past sphinx]

im extremely satisfied

[floral herald]

Also nice to get Logan on foot

[thin ibex]

im hoping the two handed axe termie is a heavy weapon of some kind that hits at like str 11 or something

[floral herald]

I was not a fan of his weird floating wolf chariot thing

[thin ibex]

i like it for the memes but i always brought him on foot

[pine matrix]

Okay this does go hard

[pine matrix]

Cyber bird? Fuck yes

[thin ibex]

njall always been havin it tbh

[empty siren]

Note to self

Spray can primer for Tau battle suits

Not brush on

But. I do like this scheme

[past sphinx]

Psi bird!

[jaunty dawn]

Looks siiiick

New logan is peak

Love arjac too, throwing pose

Bladeguard wolfguard replacing power armour wolf guard entirely it seems

[pastel rampart]

One of the things I low-key like about the Primaris line and the resulting line refresh for dedicated chapters is how relatively subdued their designs end up being.

[pulsar cairn]

I like primaris helmets

[pastel rampart]

BA and SW firstborn had this very overcrowded/too much gribblies to their unique units, and just making the models slightly bigger gives them room to breath.

[floral herald]

Word

I wonder how many de-wolfed termies we’re gonna get because there’s no primaris-era assault termie models except for them

[empty siren]

Ngl, I wish Tau broadsides had a better ability

4+ FNP against mortal wounds just doesn't feel...good?

Like it'll come in handy if they're being tank shocked, grenaded, other abilities. But if you're within range of those kinds of abilities, you're prolly already fucked

Hell, a 5+ FNP in general or even a 6+ would feel more useful

[jaunty dawn]

Happens that way sometimes

Everything gets an ability but sometimes its just not a big part of their power budget

And with broadsides their thing is being accurate heavy weaponry

[floral herald]

Yeah it’s basically a ribbon which helps with dev wounds shooting

[desert jay]

Do devs count as mortals again?

[floral herald]

I think so?

I may have lost track haha

[desert jay]

I can’t remember if it flip flopped back or not

[past sphinx]

Wait the leviathan termites aren't a multikit?

[empty siren]

Honestly

Give the broadside a hazardous weapon

A hazardous rail rifle sounds kinda cool

Then the FNP actually does something

[floral herald]

They aren’t assault terminators anyway

[empty siren]

Cause failed hazardous deals mortals to vehicles right?

[floral herald]

According to waha anyway they’re back to being mortals

[past sphinx]

Oh I though they came packed in with hammers optional, not sure why 😦

[jaunty dawn]

the leviathan terminators are monopose

the indomitus standalone kits is multipart, but it's only tactical

they're like

clearly set up to be able to be assault terminators in the future though

in addition to all the chapter specific kits

[past sphinx]

hmm strikes me a little odd they wouldnt just throw both in there

they definetly build like it

but hey thats more kits to buy in the future in james's eye

[jaunty dawn]

it would've meant a bigger box and more expensive

they might end up putting it out like how they do the hh dreads but uh

not holding my breath it'll be that sensible

[empty siren]

Imma swap to Montka for Tau instead of Kauyon

But I'll set up my list that can fit both Kauyon and Montka

I'll use two Fireknives as my crisis suits. Ignore modifiers to hit. Reroll hitrolls of 1s or the hitroll if targeting full strength units. All missiles

[thin ibex]

manage to get a game in and didn't like kauyon?

[empty siren]

Nope. Local meta looks to be mostly big hard hitters. And I'm playing against my friend mostly who's running Deathguard

Deathguard got a bump in toughness for a lot of models. Terms are now 7 iirc? And marines are 6

He's also running vehicle heavy

My guys won't survive till br3 and even if they do, I doubt it'd make a difference

[sour sequoia]

Are they running codex points or current points

[empty siren]

Not sure

[sour sequoia]

Because DG should also be waaaaay more expensive

Like 50 points a unit territory

[empty siren]

I'm just gonna be cautious

And use Montka. Hit hard and fast. That's also my preferred style. That's why I played Black Templars

[rocky shale]

Plasma will do well into this

[empty siren]

B... but

Missiles :(

[rocky shale]

You gotta adapt to survive

[empty siren]

I know :(

Missiles are cool tho😔

But I get what ya mean

Imma run two, two model units of piranhas I think

[paper bluff]

Some people ask "why do space wolves hate helmets?" The reason iirc is that their sense of smell is higher even than other space marines and the helmet dulls that. But I'd say look at that glorious hair. I know from wearing a respirator that facial hair and any covering will get uncomfortable

[empty siren]

Each piranha model gets two seeker missiles so like, but as well have a form of anti tank

I thought about three, three model units of piranhas. And then I remembered. Expensive :)

[thin ibex]

youre still bringing your broadsides right?

[empty siren]

But it'd be so fucking funny

[empty siren]

Oh for sure. But idk if I should run the rail rifle or the missiles

[thin ibex]

rail rifle

if your opponent is bringing big heavy targets

rail rifle

[empty siren]

I might just run one unit but have two broadsides in that unit

Eh Naw. Two seperate units with one model

I wanna run a big missile broadside at least ONCE

And then I'll just say the missiles are actually just batteries for charging a chunky rail cannon because I didn't magnetize. And my friend and I proxy all the time :3

I ran a list of almost all space marines but it was CSM deception detachment. So it's just the Alpha Legion being silly guys, trust. The Centurions are actually obliterators guys

[paper bluff]

Fists should get facial hair again

[empty siren]

Assault intercessors with jump packs are actually raptors

[empty siren]

I always see fists as firefighters for some reason

Give them a firefighter stache

[alpine wing]

picked up a box of sicarians the other day and im torn between making them infiltrators or ruststalkers

[empty siren]

They'd rock that stache hard

[runic swallow]

The yellow is close to the color of a lot of bunker gear so I can kinda see it

[alpine wing]

their datasheets for reference

[sour sequoia]

Bunker gear and rep for being clean cut serious business

[paper bluff]

You know what, give the raven guard facial hair too

[empty siren]

I see them rocking a firefighter stache because it'd look disciplined or something

[sour sequoia]

Guy at my shop painted his chapter master’s face like JK Simmons ass Omni Man, I can see the firefighter too tbh

[empty siren]

I can't see them with a wild bushy beard

[alpine wing]

what facial hair would they even have? mid century poet? depression scraggle? emo bandmember?

[empty siren]

They'd have a creep stache

[alpine wing]

and i agree on the fists having moustaches mainly cause dorn looks wrong without one to me

[alpine wing]

yes

[runic swallow]

At most depression scraggle, I mostly see them as clean cut personally

[empty siren]

I can see it

[runic swallow]

Or yeah, maybe poet goatee

[empty siren]

Blood Angels are clean shaven for sure

I cannot for the life of me imagine a blood angel with facial hair

[alpine wing]

Blood angels have at most a 3 o'clock shadow

[runic swallow]

No, he has to have sideburns

[sour sequoia]

Blood angels are definitively bishie boys

[empty siren]

Unless the blood angel does like hairstyling as a hobby

[alpine wing]

you can have sideburns and a moustache

[tired cairn]

Choose whatever looks cooler! (I think the infiltrators look sick personally)

[sour sequoia]

Raven guard can at least get to grunge

[alpine wing]

And I am of the opposite opinion

I like the ruststalkers more

[empty siren]

Barber blood angel. Just pray the blood rage doesn't kick in when he's shaving your face

[tired cairn]

haha, no accounting for taste

[runic swallow]

No I mean he has to have both

[alpine wing]

oh

yeah

definitely

[sour sequoia]

If blood angels don’t look like nsync I don’t want it

[alpine wing]

I can also see him with a goatee ngl

[empty siren]

Ultramarines prolly have a five o clock shadow or something

[runic swallow]

Honestly I have a thing for Iron Warriors either being clean cut, absolutely covered in burn scars, or having a solid beard depending on their vibe

Ultramarines are meticulously shaved

[empty siren]

What about Black Templars? I can see them having similar facial hair to Imperial Fists

[runic swallow]

I could see a Black Templar with a mustache

[empty siren]

Did Sigismund have facial hair?m

[runic swallow]

I don’t think so? Not sure

[tired cairn]

Maybe ultramarines have little shavers in their helmets so they can constantly be groomed, no matter the circumstances

[empty siren]

No he does not

[main pagoda]

he was completely bald

[alpine wing]

i thought sigismund was like, the baldest man to ever bald

[empty siren]

Well he does but it's like, incredibly unnoticeable

[alpine wing]

im not sure he even has eyebrows

[tired cairn]

There is an ultramarine with a beard (but no hair). Is there an ultramarine with both hair and a beard?

[main pagoda]

but then you have Rann with some killer facial hair

[alpine wing]

We can at least agree that Iron Hands and Salamanders don't have any facial hair at all

[main pagoda]

do salamanders have any hair at all?

[empty siren]

Actually

[main pagoda]

i dont think i have seen a non bald one

[empty siren]

I can see Salamanders having facial hair but I don't think they even have hair whatsoever

It's probably for the best anyways

[tired cairn]

It will just get singed off anyways

[empty siren]

Imagine how soaking wet with sweat their hair would be

That too

[alpine wing]

anyway i think i'll go infiltrators

i like the sound of their equipment and they're basically mechanicus noise marines

[empty siren]

Iron hands for sure

They for sure wouldn't have facial hair

[tired cairn]

Their fluff is wild compared to how they are portrayed in any of the games lol

[alpine wing]

also i enjoy stealing the dome heads from tau

[empty siren]

:(

Not my silly fish

Ngl

[empty siren]

A mechanicus rave party would go kinda hard

[alpine wing]

noise concert in the noctis labyrinth

[empty siren]

I must go now. It's raining and I have to drive😔

[runic swallow]

Yeah but on the other hand a cool blacksmith beard is important

[paper bluff]

Full beard Raven guard

[empty siren]

Thing is. I might as well be running sunforgers for the meltas weapons. Same amount of attacks but better strength, ap, and damage. For an extra 20pts. And it's proper anti heavy

Shorter range if I choose plasma rifles over missiles. By 12"

[thin ibex]

the plasma is better at dealing with elite enfantry on account of the extra range, and reroll 1's. Fusionsuits are better against armor because of the rerolls and big damage; but a plasma will always deal 3, the fusion might deal 2 iirc

[empty siren]

I could do a combination as well

Just do the basic plasma and missiles for each model

[thin ibex]

i like missiles cause the long range gives you engagement and targeting flex

[empty siren]

Longer range more attacks for infantry, then the plasma for elite. Don't forget I could equip an enforcer with ion cannon and three plasma rifles

[thin ibex]

especially if youre not hot dropping

[empty siren]

That's what I'm thinking. I wanna have the range for BR1

Then use the plasma rifles AND missiles for BR2 and onwards. It's more versatile

I'm really stuck with what detachment I wanna do

Montka could be more fun and it has better stratagems

I ain't doing retaliation cadre that's for sure. It's good sure, but the CP cost and needing to be within 12" or 9" to benefit from my army rule....as Tau??? Fuck that lmfao

If I do Retaliation Cadre, I'm running three riptides and three ghostkeels

[rocky shale]

The range is important because DG range is terrible and the meet terminators are spooky

[rocky shale]

Experimental is fun for crisis suit stuff

And gives breachers crazy range

[empty siren]

Yeah but plague range

The -1 toughness and shit from the stink is gonna be painful

Also my friend is running vehicle heavy DG. Couple of mortar cannons

It would be nice to wound on 3s against terms. So that's why Imma do 1 missile 1 plasma for each model

[rocky shale]

Even better to be far away

[empty siren]

30" slightly less damage and AP and an 18" less attacks better damage and ap

I do get assault too

So I can advance to be within that plasma range. I'm also running exclusively enforcers to lead for more pts and also the worsen the AP of attacks that target them

I wish there was a Tau detachment that cares about being far away, like specifically in it's detachment rules

[rocky shale]

Meltas are good into tanks but not as great for 3W targets since you can roll a 1-2 and not kill a model

[rocky shale]

Experimental weapons cadre

[empty siren]

Oh true

[rocky shale]

Gives 6" range to every unit

[empty siren]

I'll try it out against DG

Last time I tried to use it, it was against knights :)

I couldn't wound :)

That's why if I ever play against knights again on table top sim. I'm running two Ta'unar Supremacy Armour models

[rocky shale]

Knights you need like rail guns anyways

Meltas wound on 5s

[empty siren]

Ta'unar Supremacy Armour Model has silly guns :3

120" and 26 str🙏

16 damage🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[rocky shale]

Lmao

[rocky shale]

I'm talking more for blind army building, where you can't just counterpick

[empty siren]

Hate infantry? 3 pulse drivers with anti infantry 2+ :3

Such a silly profile

[paper bluff]

The techo catechisms of Scribe Lex!

Also you know something that's messed up? In the GW offices themselves they use the FW custodes units but will not put them in the printed 40k codex

[desert jay]

Yeah Custodes and Knights have a weird status with that

[tired cairn]

They better put the plastic lancer knights in the next codex >:|

Can you use questoris knights in 30k as-is?

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah

[thin ibex]

You know, new Logan looks like a guy worthy of his reputation

Is also funny that he looks older than Dante, but Dante, iirc, was a captain when Logan was a blood claw

[past sphinx]

i was really very nervous about a wolf lord/terminator refresh and the HQ's but man

they really hated working on the blood angels

[unreal cosmos]

classic vampire v werewolf contrast

one has a skincare routine and blood sacrifices, the other has alcoholism and windchill

[pulsar cairn]

how do the Blood angels and Space wolves feel about each other?

[past sphinx]

you know

i cant think of a time they have seriously interacted

in the heresy the rout was rather distrusted due to a reputation as kinslayers, deserved or not

[pastel rampart]

BA and SW were on opposite sides of the whole Librarian issue pre-HH but beyond that there's not a lot of conflict that's happened between the two.

[unreal cosmos]

I can imagine it going either way depending on the individual

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, depends on who is leading the respective forces. Dante/Logan would get along fine though I'd expect Logan to try and do a little glory-hunting and try to one-up Dante, but otherwise would work together.

Space Wolves like to boast, after all.

[past sphinx]

and boy look whos got (or had) the wizard dreadnoughts after all the dust settled

[pastel rampart]

Yeah lol

[thin ibex]

yeah im pretty sure dante was a hero to logan; albeit a distant one, when he was a blod claw and grey hunter

and as of now they've got a healthy respect for one another even if they disagree with each other's methodologies

[empty siren]

WOAW

That looks awesome

[pulsar cairn]

Mecha spiders?

[soft willow]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Silica_Mutus

[thin ibex]

man i know that the deff dredd is not very good

but im taking 2 in a dread mob for a 1k match

because it feels like i should bring a deff dredd in a dredd mob

[soft willow]

Sometimes you field a thing for the vibes, not because it's strong.

[thin ibex]

ones got 2 shootas, a rocket, and a klaw, teh others got a megablasta and 3 claws

they're gonna press da big red button every round

[mental birch]

Dark mechanicum in LI/titanicus

Is really tempting me

[pulsar cairn]

I love them!

[mental birch]

IMO tripod codes

Coded

Will play War Of The Worlds

The chances of anything coming from mars

Are a million to one he said

[pulsar cairn]

[mental birch]

You never heard of Jeff Wayne's war of rhe worlds?

[thin ibex]

isnt necrons vibe if you play canoptek very war of the worlds

[jaunty dawn]

especially the newer stuff yeah

like the doomstalker and the reanimator

(note, do not mistake those for a dual kit. the doomstalker is WAY bigger)

[thin ibex]

oh no shit? I literally thought they were a dual kit

[jaunty dawn]

haha

[thin ibex]

and the doomstalker was just a reanimator with a bigass gun

[jaunty dawn]

my sister did it against me and proxied the reanimator as the doomstalker and all was well and then I saw the base size and was like oh holy shit

[thin ibex]

mmm is doomstalker cooler or the doomsday ark...

[jaunty dawn]

it's pretty cool ultimately, sometimes dual kits make an army super generic

[thin ibex]

what in the gawdam

its so dif

lol

thats cool

[jaunty dawn]

yeah!!

[thin ibex]

its like "dont talk to me or my son ever again"

[jaunty dawn]

I feel like the spyder should have an option to be just covered in scarabs like a spider with newborn on its back

I guess that's eminently kitbashable

[thin ibex]

oh huh, doomstalkers can hide ok in 10th right

cause of obscuring terrain

otherwise all that height would be a liability

[jaunty dawn]

ye

[west zealot]

Remember, hitting the limb joint is a one hit kill!

Helldivers would never lie to me

[thin ibex]

so correct me if im wrong, but like once upon a time, one of the necron's "thing"s used to be having good AP

like in general

[west zealot]

In the tales I've heard, that's why they were terrifying - basic arse infantry hosing down tanks, and getting back up when you splattered them

[floral herald]

Not… really

[jaunty dawn]

gauss weapons weren't high ap (they were just bolters) but they could always glance vehicles on a 6

[mental birch]

Weight of numbers

[jaunty dawn]

(they also always wounded on a 6 in 7th but that didn't come up much I don't think)

[mental birch]

In an era where you could hurt vehicles barely

Infantry weapons with a lot of numbers

That can chew through the 2 wounds vehicles had

[jaunty dawn]

tesla weapons were even worse ap

but pretty much all their weapons other than that, the more specialised stuff, was relatively high ap I suppose

[floral herald]

The Necron hat in pre 5e codex was mostly respawning/regenerating units

Since no one else really got that

Phase out was also unit but fuck phase out

[mental birch]

I need a reanimator

But it's only part of a multikit

Hahaba

Just for the wotw vibes

[jaunty dawn]

I'm also pretty sure wraiths just ignored saves at one point but got nerfed to just rending in 7th

[floral herald]

They also did this in 3e

Had to check haha

It didn’t come up a ton since str 4 needed like T9 to not be able to wound iirc

[thin ibex]

ahh so its not that gauss had AP, they just had a way to punch up

so lethals is kind of on point, but concievably devastating wouldve been good too, just too strong

[mental birch]

Remember vehicles didn't get saves

[floral herald]

They sometimes did but it wasn’t common

[mental birch]

So like the ability for basic infantry to punch through like vehicle front armour with mass fire

Was ridiculously good

Or at least scary to people unused to that kind of firepower

[floral herald]

It was pretty mid (but a bragging right) until 5e when you could kill vehicles with glances

But you could stunlock tanks pretty well

[thin ibex]

ah so lethals is kind of actually a decent approximation

for 10e

at least for that effect

[floral herald]

It’s sort of similar yeah

Vehicles pre change were weird

[mental birch]

They didn't get saves tou just had to beat their armour

[floral herald]

You either got glancing or penetrating hits and then rolled on a table to see what happened

Ranging from the weakest being crew shaken (I forget what this did - not much) to crew stunned (does what it sounds like) to immobilized, or weapon destruction, or killing

Or making them explode

But pre-5e glancing hits couldn’t kill vehicles

I think the worst it could do was immobilized or weapon destroyed

But necrons could disarm and pillbox vehicles with massed infantry fire

Which can definitely make them not a threat but also you don’t score VP on living vehicles

I forget what the big Necron AT models were at the time

Heavy destroyers and the monolith iirc?

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/KsFl0/3968941030.jpg

They could, it was just really unlikely in 3rd.

[floral herald]

Oh huh, maybe it was just 4e

Or I am misremembering

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/KsFln/9bd22ef5d0.jpg

4e had the same table.

http://puu.sh/KsFlQ/f54036f4f1.png

[thin ibex]

And I forget, necron gauss flayers are no good anymore cause they are low strength?

[pastel rampart]

5e had it to where the AP mattered a little more, and where glancing hits couldn't wreck a vehicle unless it was AP1 and/or opened topped and rolled high.

[floral herald]

Ah I must have crossed wires

[pastel rampart]

I did like the unified damage table but it did lead to it being Melta Edition.

[floral herald]

Yeah

[pulsar cairn]

I think i saw a movie once but i was just a kid

[thin ibex]

War of the world's tripods were so iconic they burned themselves into the scifi genre's collective conscience

[mental birch]

You need to hear it

It's a concept album

[pulsar cairn]

Ooh

Where do i find it?

[mental birch]

Yaaar

[thin ibex]

wasnt war of hte worlds originally a radio broadcast show?

ah no its was a novel

then got converted to all kinds of media

or i guess more correctly it was a serial

[frail jacinth]

the novel's pretty decent, if only just to see where so many tropes originate

also fun to see old understandings/speculation about how space worked

[thin ibex]

question, the noble keyword gets inherited by a led unit or no?

[mental birch]

Units that are led share a giant pool of keywords

With their leader

Yes this means that the castellan robot techpriest unit has the vehicle and infantry keyword

[tired cairn]

They fixed the infantry thing iirc

[thin ibex]

yeah the specific text fo rthe priest means it loses the infantry keyword

[tired cairn]

But it does mean that Zoanthroapes get Big Guns Never Tire when led by a Neurotyrant

[thin ibex]

but in this case, an overlord leading a warrior squad would give the warriors the noble keyword for purposes of obeisance phalanx right?

[tired cairn]

That is my understanding. And I think the point?

(How anti- and precision works makes me think wounds should be allocated to models at the wound-roll and not the save roll, but w/e)

[junior robin]

finally, egg primaris lieutenant

[empty siren]

I just had an idea. I should run experimental cadre

Because broadside. I just saw that a few of the stratagems give hazardous

That 4+ FNP would be kinda funky lol

Sustained hits and lethal hits for 1cp on high yield or even the heavy rail rifle. Sure it has hazardous but I got a 4+ FNP on mortal wounds so why not?

[rocky shale]

It's a good synergy

[empty siren]

Mmm

Three piranhas. I love how they have fly omfg

I'm literally zooming around the map, battleshocking units and attacking vehicles with seeker missiles and meltas lol

[paper bluff]

With how fly is, I wish the necron obelisk was better

[empty siren]

Fly seems fun

I genuinely like how the Tau have ways to avoid engagement range

Fly on I think all vehicles except the big ones or the fortifications

And because they're vehicles, big guns never tire I believe let's them shoot with weapons regardless of engagement

[tired cairn]

They just get -1 to hit, yeah

[pastel rampart]

https://bskye.app/profile/graemation.bsky.social/post/3lnxydaqkis2u

[pulsar cairn]

he's the king

[empty siren]

He needs a bigger base

Just a massive base and a small little guy

Give him a 2+ invul

Cause he's so fucking tiny good luck hitting him

[tired cairn]

He needs an absolutely massive tactical rock

[desert jay]

Tactical dead dreadnought

[rocky shale]

It does less than you'd think because it doesn't really let you move over any substantially large terrain

[thin ibex]

it lets you get our of encirclements nicely

but you still have to have enough actual movement to get over the buildings

rather than treating them like they arent there

i still struggle with like... figuring out the actual flight distances in tts

to obey that rule

its very annoying

one thing i like about pirahnas is that you can work to fish for Bshock on priority targets, which can disallow that target from using things like armor of contempt or other defensives boosts in the following shooting phase

[rocky shale]

It's pretty good on infantry, though a vehicle is a lot harder to encircle

[thin ibex]

its incidentally good for battlesuits when you want to fall back deeper into a place, say like onto an objective

battlesuits being fly vehicles n all that

[rocky shale]

Battlesuits are honorary infantry

[thin ibex]

nah, then we'd get to go straight through ruins and our lives would be even easier

[rocky shale]

That's why it's honorary

They have strong vibes of infantry but it's not legally binding

[thin ibex]

tru tru

i like em being vehicles and then weapon support system letting me ignore engagement penalty

[hardy harness]

Random thought that just occurred to me

Why doesn't the Imperium hook up Big E to a like, Dreadnaught system or something

That way he'd still be marginally ambulatory

[rocky shale]

He's more dead than your average dread pilot

[jaunty dawn]

he needs to be in the chair or terra is invaded by daemons and blows up to stop them

and they can't hook up the chair to a dreadnaught cause no one knows how the chair works

[thin ibex]

going by the novel im reading with valerian in it, Big E isnt just like a guy in a chair, he's like... HEAVILY incorporated into a vast machine. It would be no simple matter to disentangle him from it all

[wide veldt]

is the Obeisance Phalanx necron detachment any good?

seems like its about buffing the fuck out of the warlord which

mmmm

[rocky shale]

I think so

Notably the keyword applies to a whole unit if the attached character has it

[wide veldt]

mmm i see

[thin ibex]

it can be good, access to +1 to wound is good

gotta get noble onto your key doer units

and it makes the triarch preatorians more useable

[wide veldt]

hypercrypt legions seems un

fun

[rocky shale]

Unfun?

[thin ibex]

nah they missed the f while typing fun

[wide veldt]

yeah that

[thin ibex]

Hypercrypt plays with uppy downies which i like

[rocky shale]

It's an uppy downy detschment

[wide veldt]

they seem really fun

[thin ibex]

and it helps with mobility

[wide veldt]

i have

absolutely no clue

[thin ibex]

something the necron struggle with

[wide veldt]

what that means

[thin ibex]

uppy downy means they have a mechanic that lets them put units back into deepstrike frequently

[rocky shale]

Uppy downy means some way to return a unit to reserves and generally some form of deep strike

[thin ibex]

and that means they can come back down in different locations

[wide veldt]

ahhh

[rocky shale]

For Hypercrypt it's with the monolith

[wide veldt]

i think im between hypercrypt and awakened legion

sorry, awakened dynasty

[empty siren]

Devilfish and piranha acquired:3

The Tau army is coming along :)

[thin ibex]

i think awakened dynasty is easier to play

but hypercrypt gives you more tactical options

[rocky shale]

Awakened would be easier to learn

[wide veldt]

Yeag

[rocky shale]

And doesn't require buying a monolith if you're playing irl

[wide veldt]

That was my thought

I’ll start with them

Okay but monoliths are cool

[rocky shale]

They are, but they're a big lump purchase

Also Hypercrypt is clunky at 1k points because of the monolith

A bit like knights are

[wide veldt]

Is 1k the most common format

[rocky shale]

No

But it's not too uncommon for a quicker game

Any normal game is 2k. 1k is "I don't have 4 hours for a game right now"

[thin ibex]

tbf you arent obligated to have a monolith in hypercrypt, it just has specific things that engage with one

[wide veldt]

okay cool ive been building for 2k lol

[rocky shale]

IIRC necrons don't have a lot of deep strike to benefit from Hypercrypt without the monolith synergy

[wide veldt]

my current bit, because i love narrative, is that i want to make a court of "benevolent" necrons

guys who are generally well meaning and want to like

unify the galaxy as liberators rather than tyrants
they are, obviously, still going to murder a lot of people to enable this

[rocky shale]

Nice

Feels more like dynasty

[wide veldt]

i am admittedly fond of trazyn as far as the special canonical guys go

oh shit the silent king returned at some point

rad

[thin ibex]

oh yeah that was a big deal

honestly a much bigger deal than was made about it at the time

homeboy is older than the emperor

[wide veldt]

yeah he's p baller

i love that we still don't know why he left lmo

LMAO HIS MODEL HAS A SHARD BEING TORTURED

Jesus Christ the Ctan Shard stats are crazy

Casual 14 attacks from the nightbringer

[thin ibex]

theyre very juiced but dont really interact with many rules/ auras

[wide veldt]

So what’s the rule on what units can be your warlord

[rocky shale]

Any character or epic hero unless it says they can't be

Some units have to be your warlord (usually big named characters) and some can't (like assassins), but it'll say on the datasheet

[wide veldt]

THE TRANSCENDANT

TELEPORT JOHNSON

[thin ibex]

example, silent king has to be your warlord

if you bring him

[wide veldt]

yeah that makes sense

[rocky shale]

For a warlord you generally want them to either be tough to kill or easy to hide for the secondaries that care about killing warlords

Orrrr really fast for the command insertion secret mission

[wide veldt]

So here’s a question: lore wise, can the “mancer” units like techno and chronomancers be dynasty leaders

Or is that purely overlords

[rocky shale]

Tbh I know very little about necron lore

But the correct answer is that it's your dudes and they can do whatever you want

[wide veldt]

That’s fair I’m just obsessed with narrative

It’s the part I actually care about lol

[rocky shale]

That being said in an awakened dynasty list you're almost definitely running overlords

[wide veldt]

yeah ill prollygo overlord

[rocky shale]

Overlord with shroud + immortals with Tesla carbines is one of the faster options you get as necrons

A whopping 11" of movement lmao

[wide veldt]

oh i was going full tank lol

[rocky shale]

Tank?

[wide veldt]

reanimation orb + scythe with 10 immortals with dispersion shields

[wide veldt]

yeah like hard to kill

[rocky shale]

You mean lychguard?

[wide veldt]

fuck yeah sorry

and then i can drop the improvement on them that gives feel no pain +4

[rocky shale]

Overlord with orb + nether realm casket + orikan + 20 warriors is hilariously tough

[rocky shale]

That's only the bearer, not the whole unit

Still makes the overlord quite tough with -1 D, 4++ and a 4+++

[wide veldt]

what is an orikan

[rocky shale]

Epic hero, gives the full unit 4++

Orblord + nether realm casket + orikan + warriors gives you 30 wounds of dudes with a 4++, stealth, rerolls on the number of models you bring back and once per battle d6 regen instead of d3

[wide veldt]

Fucking insane

[rocky shale]

It's just a massive tarpit

No shooting into them feels good

[wide veldt]

Oh the mancers can all be attached to a unit that has a noble attached

Okay nice

Ahhh now I could

Attach a Technomancer

And give the entire unit feel no pain 5+

And then with the casket have stealth

[rocky shale]

Orikan fills the slot of the technomancer there

[wide veldt]

Oh yeah I’m just thinking about if I want him or the techno

[rocky shale]

4++ is better than a 5+++ for single wound models

Actually I think it is for all models

[wide veldt]

Fair

I think I’m gonna still go lychguard instead of warriors tho

[rocky shale]

Lychguard are more killy for sure

[wide veldt]

And change them out for war scythes

[rocky shale]

They're just not able to be stacked with as many defensive buffs

[wide veldt]

Yeah that’s fine

I would rather them have the extra killing power I think

[rocky shale]

You just have to play carefully to get them in melee while being so slow

[wide veldt]

Oh my god the staff of tomorrow

On Orikan

With the Stars are Right

[rocky shale]

Yeah

[wide veldt]

That can really fuck shit up in a critical moment

[rocky shale]

Funny profile

Can only attach him to warriors or immortals tho

[wide veldt]

Ahhh damn I didn’t notice that

Wow yeah nobody wants to be attached to the lychguard lol

That’s fine

[rocky shale]

Generally the case for elite units

[wide veldt]

I also don’t wanna be too much of a cunt to play against

[rocky shale]

Necrons buff stack, it's what they do

The warrior blob is hard to kill but it's incredibly slow

A translocation orb overlord kinda helps but even then you can definitely outrun it

It also dies to a dedicated melee push

[wide veldt]

That’s fair

I also just like the aesthetic of the lychguard as a dedicated like

Royal guard style unit

I don’t think it’s throwing too hard to run them instead of the 30 warriors

As my personal fellas

Oh good lord the hexmark

Dr.Overwatch

[rocky shale]

No not at all

Warrior blob isn't mandatory just funny

[wide veldt]

also wow

the psychomancer is mean

[rocky shale]

With lychguard you just need a plan to get them into melee

[wide veldt]

might use a transport

[rocky shale]

Battleshock is generally underwhelming

IIRC the only necron vehicle that can move lychguard is an aircraft

The night scythe

The ghost ark can only move warriors

Part of being the slow faction is having shitty transports

[wide veldt]

yeah fair

is the aircraft.... worth grabbing?

[rocky shale]

Monoliths also help

[rocky shale]

Aircraft are basically never good

At best funny

The night scythe is funny because it can carry an entire unit regardless of size, so like that 20 warrior blob

The monolith also allows deployment from reserves within 6" of it so that's another way to get mobility

What are your favorite units so far? I'll try tossing together like a 1k starter list around them

[mental birch]

Trying to figure out how to kitbash a more sleeker

Breacher design

[wide veldt]

i like the crypteks, mostly the technomancer
I fucking love the ctan shards

[rocky shale]

Ctan spam is still good I think

If not obnoxious

Oh apparently Hypercrypt is the way to go for ctan spam since you can teleport them

[west zealot]

We do though, he quit the galaxy in self imposed exile over his failures, and then ran into the nids in interstellar space and went oh shi- and turned around to come back

[wide veldt]

I was just going based on the necron codex

[west zealot]

This is from the codex though! (Or at least it was in the fifth edition codex, maybe it's been removed from more recent ones?)

[wide veldt]

The 10e codex said no one knows

[west zealot]

Oh, huh. Boo

I much prefer the clean reason of self imposed exile. Not everything needs to be a plot hook, ya know?

[wide veldt]

Self imposed exile is fun

I like that in comparison the doctor who invented the robot bodies is like

A totally unrepentant bastard

Despite being arguably more culpable

[west zealot]

Yeah, giving the necrons actual personalities was a great decision

People would hate it, but if I was running gw, I'd be tempted to do something similar too the nids - fracture the hive mind, make each hive fleet it's own mind with it's own personality and goals.

(Logic being this let's you get more interesting interaction, and also deals with for a nigh omniscient hive mind it keeps making dumb mistakes part of things. Nerfing it's overall theoretical intelligence let's you make more intelligent subfleets etc)

[rocky shale]

Ctan shards are kinda rude at 1k but I got lychguard and a technomancer in

Akawened dynasty is a bit rough at 1k since you want a lot of characters

But this gives you 4 led units, 2 melee 2 ranged, and one fast deep striker

I also didn't look at the strats much and it does look a bit shootier than this half melee list might want

[mental birch]

The main reason I avoid bolt action and guard players

The required vibe check

[wide veldt]

Hell yeah

So my plan for main battle lines: necron troopers backed up with Technomancers to keep healing them up

Just as a permanently regenerating band of assholes

[rocky shale]

Technomancer with wraiths are real spooky

I think they got nerfed but they used to be super meta

Because they already have an innate 4++

Wraiths with a technomancer are 10" move, T6, 4W each with a 3+ 4++ 5+++ save

And then being in this detschment brings them from hitting on 4s to 3s for a pile of mid strength melee with some short range shooting

[rocky shale]

Speaking of that, here's a list you can play to get uninvited from game night.

Just the least fun thing you can possibly do at 1k

[wide veldt]

Lmao

[rocky shale]

You have to deal with a teleporting ctan, a regenerating tough warrior blob that can auto 6" advance (and get assault via the detachment) and a doomsday ark popping any hard targets

The praetorians are there to avoid losing on secondaries

You could still probably lost on secondaries because you only have 4 units total

[wide veldt]

Also

Really funny that every vehicle in the 40k universe fucking detonates like a bomb

[desert jay]

Everything has either a pile of ammunition or an ominously glowing reactor in it

Sometimes both

Tyranids can also explode when killed for… whatever reason

[wide veldt]

lol

[west zealot]

Internal Organ Error.

Nids it almost makes sense, sincetheyusually dont have digestive systems etc, and they're explictly war forms overall, so just setting them up to go kaboom if they die makes some sense for am elee unit

less so in cases of Biovores

[wide veldt]

what is a wraith btw

oh wait i found it sorry

[wide veldt]

Overlord embeds with the lychguard
Royal Warden w the warriors
Plasmancer w the immortals + cryptothralls
technomancer w wraiths

overlord stays back while the troops advance with the monolith, and they teleport to the monolith when in advantageous position. Reanimator stands as close to as many units as possible and targets heavy armor, the tomb blades go after backline, the wraiths harass, and the deciever assassinates characters

oj sorry misread the atomizer block, they go after chaff

Hmmm I probably need proper anti-armor work

[rocky shale]

Why the cryptothrall? They only really serve to protect a unit against precision attacks, but are really expensive for that

[rocky shale]

Reanimator doesnt really have the strength to actually hurt armor

Just like heavy infantry

[wide veldt]

Ueah

I figured that out

[rocky shale]

But even 6 1D attacks doesnt really do that

If you're going for the monolith i'd consider just doing hypercrypt tbh

[wide veldt]

Im just not really sure like

How else I’d get my lord in

I just really like them giving my guy feel no pain 4

[rocky shale]

There's one of the enhancements that gives basically deep strike

Its just the guy though, so it doesnt do anything unless you get hit by precision

[wide veldt]

…. Honestly actually I think my lord can probably just advance across the battlefield on her own w stealth + invuln + resurrection orb

I don’t think I actually need the monolith

[rocky shale]

Yeah you just cant advance+charge

[wide veldt]

Any reqs for anti-armor?

My only current thought is a doom stalker lmao

[rocky shale]

Doomsday ark

[wide veldt]

GOD ALMIGHTY

I MISSED THIS

18 strength seems like a lot

[rocky shale]

I would drop one of the technomancers and combine the wraiths into a big brick of 6, drop the scarabs and cryptothralls unless theyre just filling points, then pick up something like a doomsday ark, maybe Szeras as a big spooky character

[wide veldt]

The scarabs were absolutely just point filling yeah lmao

[rocky shale]

Deciever is a funky ctan but iirc the model is hideous

Look at this guy

[wide veldt]

Yeah it’s

Eugh

It’s the head

[rocky shale]

Nightbringer is really nasty

[wide veldt]

I can deal with everything but the mask

[tardy vault]

Banana man

[rocky shale]

If youre gonna put up with an ancient model

this guy just tips over a lot

[wide veldt]

That’s true

[rocky shale]

But he also gets S14 attacks

[wide veldt]

I just think the deceivers ability is funny

And also Cosmic Insanity is

Bananas

For actually assassinating a guy lol

[rocky shale]

Ehhhhhh

[wide veldt]

… yeah idk why I

Pinned it in my memory

[rocky shale]

It picks up some weaker characters easily

[wide veldt]

I think I just saw anti-character and got torqued

I mean the actual answer ideally is that I eventually have all 4 CTAN and swap them out situationally (I don’t know how much you’re allowed to do that)

[sonic hare]

have they not redone the deceiver and nightbringer models yet?

[rocky shale]

The ability is decent but 5/6 shots are hitting, wounding on 3s or 4s against most characters so like 3 or so wound on average so even if they all go through with dev its like 3 damage average

[sonic hare]

I remember checking 4 years ago

[rocky shale]

I mean you can do whatever you want in terms of list building but generally in a semi-competetive setting you'd lock your list before seeing your opponent's list

List tailoring is considered bad sportsmanship. Only imperial agents has the ability to fully swap models in your list as an actual game rule.

[wide veldt]

Fair yeah

Nightbringer is definitely better

I just like deceivers little shithead rule

I’ll go nightbringer

[rocky shale]

The redeploy is neat since they're so slow, but for 265 points idk if he's acually pulling his weight

[wide veldt]

Yeah no you’re right

I kinda also like

Thought cosmic insanity was better

[rocky shale]

nightbringer is amazing, transendant is tricky, void dragon is strong but flops against monsters

[sonic hare]

u could be a little silly or u could like. eat an entire tank. maybe 2

[wide veldt]

Okay so w the monolith and scarab gone, and the nightbringer replacing deceive and the doomsday ark in, I have 210 spare

I like the flexibility of the two different wraith squads too much to merge them

Although I suppose I could bring them both up to 6

…. If I get rid of the thralls I can

Which leaves me with exactly 40 points, WELCOME BACK SCARABS

[rocky shale]

doomsday arc 2

For dynasty tbh two wraith squads plus the lychguard is kinda a ton of melee that doesnt have a ton of detachment support

[wide veldt]

Okay but consider: 48 whip coil attacks

[rocky shale]

lmao

[wide veldt]

Okay when it says “has not been selected to shoot this phase” on stratagems , can you select them to shoot AFTER using it? Is that the intent?

[rocky shale]

Yes

[wide veldt]

Okay I felt like I was taking crazy pills

[rocky shale]

Your strats are:
Revive character (you can use this on szeras its insane why is he infantry)
Revive models, more if character in unit
+1 strength in melee, also +1 ap if there's a character
Give unit assault, re-roll advance if there's a character
Re-roll 1s to hit against target in half range, re-roll all hits if there's a character
(2cp) one of your units with a character in it shoots at an enemy that destroyed one of your other units w/in 6" of it

So like 3 of them are for shooting units, 1 melee, 2 healing

[wide veldt]

Hmmm…. I can drop the claw wraiths and the Technomancer for another ark

With 115 left over

[rocky shale]

Imotekh is also an interesting pick for the extra CP

[wide veldt]

For sure

[rocky shale]

Dynasty reviving a dead szeras is so funny and gross, he's a T8 9W model

[wide veldt]

Although I will admit I am slightly adverse to picking up epic heroes sometimes
I know they’re really good but as a narrative first player sometimes it’s kinda like

[rocky shale]

1cp he's back

[wide veldt]

Wegh

[rocky shale]

Necrons have good generics, but in the characters-matter detachment taking some of the special-est boys does go hard

[sonic hare]

I love szeras so much

[wide veldt]

No very fair

[sonic hare]

the model is so intimidating though

[rocky shale]

His whole sheet is insane

[wide veldt]

Yknow

I could take another ctan instead of a doomsday ark

[rocky shale]

2+ 4++ 4+++ T8 9W, lone op when near allies, buffs battleline, nasty in melee

[rocky shale]

id go void dragon there because only one ark isnt much ability to deal with tanks

I guess nightbringer does that too decently

[wide veldt]

Void Dragons model looks like I’m gonna break it

Just eventually

So much random bullshit

[rocky shale]

Welcome to ctan

[wide veldt]

Realistically I know I should just bring 2 arks but

2 shards is

REALLY FUNNY

[rocky shale]

For anti tank lokhust heavy destroyers are also an option

[wide veldt]

The Lokhust?

[rocky shale]

the heavy ones can take big guns

[wide veldt]

OH ITS A DIDFERENT GUN

[rocky shale]

They can also get a leader to benefit from the detachment

[wide veldt]

Oh Jesus Christ alive

That’s a gun

I don’t think I really have any leaders to spare on that one but

That’s okay

[rocky shale]

Both profiles are wacky

TBH with heavy they dont really need +1 to hit from the detachment

[wide veldt]

Okay if I remove the scarabs

I have enough for 1 destroyer

[rocky shale]

Simply run 9 with the exterminators

You definitely need 54 shots (108 shots with rapid fire)

[wide veldt]

Jesus Christ

Again, cannot stress enough how funny more than 1 Ctan at a time is to me

“Go, my pet gods”

This is my Good Necrons faction too lmao

[rocky shale]

You can run 3 transcendant ctan btw

Fair warning, ctan spam is generally seen as a bit cheesy/unfun to play against in most casual games just because they require such specific units to take down effectively

[wide veldt]

2 probaaaaably is fine

[rocky shale]

The half damage makes them vulnerable mainly to like, big melta values or spammed 1 damage attacks

[wide veldt]

mmm yeah that's fair

[rocky shale]

(Melta bonus damage applies after halving)

[wide veldt]

unrelated for dynasty names

Kharyiz ?

[rocky shale]

Seems thematic

[wide veldt]

it's based on the arabic word for benevolence lol

[rocky shale]

Benevolence = doomsday ark

[wide veldt]

Benevolent Necrons that believe in the return of a glorious empire that ultimately serves the needs of the people - however, are willing to kill,,,, a lot of people to get there. Sees mass slaughter, slavery, and authoritarianism as all regrettable stepping stones on the road to paradise, although they do as much as they can to make the younger races they conquer comfortable - except for the eldar, of all kinds, who they violently despise.

is what ive written done now before bedtime

[rocky shale]

malding about elves, i see

[wide veldt]

Oh I’m not
I just know they’re were enemies in the old war and I think it’s funny if they still haven’t forgiven them for shot the elves don’t even really remember

[desert jay]

I don’t remember where Orks were in the War in Heaven but I know they were around too

Actually a WiH prequel game that’s ancient Aeldari vs ancient Orks vs literally just Necrons vs Old Ones would be really funny

Orks’ gear might be unrecognizable because of how much their modern gear is inspired by humans’ stuff

Would GW ever make a Warhammer property without humans? No way

But it’s a funny idea

[jaunty dawn]

Krorks were part of the old ones forces during the wih

And the ancestors of modern orks

And wouldve basically been like. Green marines

But also better. 12 ft tall in cooler power armour

Wait I misread that

12 meters tall????

Daemons were also around during the war in heaven but they also weren’t

[pulsar cairn]

I assume they werent connected to any chaos god right?

Since those came after the war in heaven

[mental birch]

They always existed

Because time is weird

In the warp

[jaunty dawn]

Theres a version of the WiH where chaos never exists and a version where it already does and both co-exist

[thin ibex]

Recently I learned that ork rokkits are custom made anti Terminator wonder weapons

Buddy was playing 1st company task force and a good round of killa kan shooting just erased an entire squad of terminators

[mental birch]

What's the rokit

Numbers?

[brittle salmon]

S9/-2/3

Not a perfect anti-Terminator statline, but still good

[mental birch]

S10 would be perfect but 7+, AP2, 3-4 damahe

S 7+

[sour sequoia]

I’m probably a lil late here but void dragon is legit one of the most brilliantly engineered models GW has ever done

Its all triangles, very stable and miraculously pretty tough + easy to paint/assemble

I’ve dropped it 4-5 times now because I’m a dumb shit idiot, no breaks

[wide veldt]

Hell yeah

[paper bluff]

The full 20 block with orikan backed up by a ghost ark and canoptek Reanimator is a powerful combo

[paper bluff]

Can confirm

[tranquil ivy]

Chat, question

How would you run these in 40k?

(They have 40mm bases)

I could possibly turn them into company heroes, but im playing vanguatd so i may not ever need them

[sour sequoia]

Bladeguard/sternguard?

Suitably fancy

[unreal cosmos]

Ancient probably

[tranquil ivy]

Could work. I've currently been taking someone's advice to make them an ancient and a combi-weapon lieutenant

I also wanna make a lone op judiciar, but i wonder if it's possible for a character to have so much fucking rage that things like the Thousand Sons' illusions just dont work on him

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFdFeVFcLHo

[soft willow]

Makeup sponges and nail stamp fads are here, slapchop is out.

[pastel rampart]

Sponges have been a thing for a good long while, just that every so often someone rediscovers them.

[tranquil ivy]

I am an advocate for Dirty Down

[pastel rampart]

Dirty Down is clearly using pigment and alcohol but I have no idea what else is added in there to make it do what it does, it's some goddamn magic.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/596197650332778498/1367163035256619108/27F16458-90C7-4499-91D4-0B5EB818D548.jpg?ex=6813954c&is=681243cc&hm=3245f1a8cd50d49591ef82e023c6bf05a892f79e54bc6f69fa81f721795dd814&

[tranquil ivy]

Oh absolutely

[tranquil ivy]

Lmao

Blud is NOT Thor

[floral herald]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/e2sdc3qz/kill-team-quarterly-balance-update-big-boosts-to-lower-performing-teams/

This is great

Solid buffs to many under-performing teams and operative count buffs for the hive storm teams

Better markerlights, Sanctifiers can’t Zerg rush (as well)

Just missing like

Breachers buffs

[jaunty dawn]

ooh

pathfinder buffs?

oh cool madatory bonus sentry is pretty decent

[floral herald]

They get Balanced at 1 markerlights which seems nice

Not sure what else there might be

[jaunty dawn]

oh lmao

ion gunner nerf!!!

[floral herald]

Is that a nerf?

[rocky shale]

Do you have to download every pdf to see the new rules?

[floral herald]

Yes but usually I just wait for people on reddit to summarize them

Cause it sucks

I do check some teams I play the most

Phobos skating by again with no changes lol

[jaunty dawn]

retaliating with a pulse weapon

meaning all the other weapons can't be used with the strat any more

my kingdom for a just make a balance dataslate document too pls

oh

[dense idol]

but what about my Hierotek Blorbos

they always go on a wild rollercoaster ride with each balance update

[jaunty dawn]

neat, the docs are now like, cut out templates?

[floral herald]

Yeah it’s nice tbh

Printing them out used to suck

[jaunty dawn]

this is crazy

[floral herald]

I still want a central errata doc

[jaunty dawn]

like

wild

balanced on markerlight 1 is really nice, especially into teams like farstalkers where they just ignore saturation

its a relatively common ability for stealth tuff

[floral herald]

Yeah it seems like a nice nudge for them

I get why they’re being kinda cagey with buffs but this seems like a well considered one

No changes to any of my main teams haha

Except a very minor nerf to chaos cult

(Torments can’t do mission actions)

[rocky shale]

Looks like none of mine really got touched lol

[floral herald]

I’m now motivated to actually build my Vespids haha

[rocky shale]

Not that I actually play much KT

[paper bluff]

If I get that WE infiltrators unit, I'd own a kill team army i just realized

...should I learn kill team?

[empty siren]

Yes

What Killteam would you build tho?

[empty siren]

It's a lot of fun. Just kinda hard to learn when you're starting out. At least it was for me lol

For my Tau army list with Experimental Cadre. I think Imma run three piranha units with meltas lol. Zoom around the map shooting meltas and seeker missiles at tanks. Attempting to battle shock important units

[floral herald]

Goremongers are fun as hell

[empty siren]

I also decided on a two model broadside unit with a shit ton of missiles. I plan to give them the lethal hits and sustained hits stratagem because hazardous and I have a 4+FNP :)

[floral herald]

Really aggressive technical middleweight melee team

[empty siren]

If you're playing against astartes (chaos or otherwise), and you're using squishy 10 man Killteam

Know that you'll prolly be ripped to shreds

I played against Deathguard as an Exaction Squad and Kasrkin. I got shot off board the moment they could shoot, because poison and shooting twice :)

[floral herald]

Yeah you have to be careful playing 7-8 wound teams into space marines

[empty siren]

Or make sure you have survivability

[floral herald]

Exaction has the tools to but it’s still a game of conceal orders

[jaunty dawn]

how not to be seen

[empty siren]

Or are really good at positioning and dealing a FUCK ton of damage

Tho tbf. I was playing against Deathguard so they were already super beefy. So that's prolly me just projecting lol

[floral herald]

Deathguard is a VERY strong team competitively and casually because they’re simple and tough as nails

[empty siren]

The whole reason I'm building Tau (not really but also kinda), is because I wanted to dish out as much damage as I could. If I was gonna be reduced to being squishy even with space marines, then why not. Already wounding me on twos, space marine or not, so fuck it. I'll go into good shooty and ranged shooty

[floral herald]

They’re not a very technical team haha

[empty siren]

I love them for it. I don't hate Deathguard. They're really strong and if they're in the hands of someone who knows what they're doing, fuck, good luck

They can be played dumb but still do well. Like if the opponent decides: "Mmm. Poxwalker prison :3"

Cause poxwalkers have infiltrate iirc, and there's a detachment that's coming out that gives them battleline I believe?

[floral herald]

Wait I think we’re talking about different editions haha

Or games whoops

[empty siren]

Oh I'm talking Deathguard in normal 40k lol my bad😭

Deathguard killteam is brutally effective

[floral herald]

This is wrt the “Plague Marines” kill team in KT24

[empty siren]

Their poison mechanic on top of shooting twice on top of survivability is just pain

You need to deal huge amounts of damage in one go because they WILL heal back most of what they took

If you can kill a model in one barrage, that's what you want. But you gotta roll good because they will prolly pop a strat to give them better saves

Anyways. Thematically, Killteam is a ton of fun. Gameplay wise it's also fun

Choose whatever you think is coolest

[empty siren]

Fireknives can reroll hits of 1 or reroll the hitroll when targeting full strength units. So what kinda weapons should my enforcer who's leading them have?

The Fireknives are essentially my anti elite. And I'm gonna have all of them equipped with a plasma rifle and missile pod each

I was thinking actually thinking air burst with the supernova launcher enhancement for +3 str +1ap +1dmg because of the blast keyword combined with the reroll hits and then three other weapons

[paper bluff]

Well goremongers

I'd bet i also have necrons kill team

[rocky shale]

Blast won't do much targeting elite units

Maaaaybe 1-2 extra attacks against huge bricks

[empty siren]

It's the added +3 str and +1 ap and +1 damage making it a

ATK: d6
Str: 6
Ap: -1
DMG: 2

Oh blast is every 10 models right?