Warhammer and Such

[floral herald]

Where many units were significantly buffed and made more expensive

To make the army less punishing to purchase

Wait leagues got the opposite sorry

They released in 9E overtuned and their points increased so much they started costing (in points) like space marines

Despite an intended identity of a middleweight power armor army like SoB

[wide veldt]

wild

[rocky shale]

Tbh I thought they were statted like dwarf marines

T5 4+ 1W on the warriors is such a funky profile

With a 6+++ too lmao what is this

[mental birch]

I kind assumed they would be slow transport based karijesb

Marines

[rocky shale]

They still kinda are, but with high toughness and low wound profiles

[sour sequoia]

Had the pleasure of playing GSC into aspect host today, kelermorph is the first to be painted for the honor of killing an entire unit of banshees on his own

Pretty sure that thing was built in a lab to crush elves

[mental birch]

He made them yeeehaw

Too hard

[sour sequoia]

Host of Ascension dropping guys down, ignore cover and sustained hits, you’re averaging a full six hits into banshees at wound on 2s and forcing invulns

And then if they move literally at all, you do that shit again at full effectiveness that gets thru their no-overwatch trick

[rocky shale]

Banshees thrive into heavy infantry so gsc will be a bad match up unless it's into like abberants

Banshees are usually at a 5++invuln against ranged which is rough

[sour sequoia]

That much is true, though they’ll happily do about the same into scorpions.

Stealth nets you one less hit on average but you’re still shredding a much costlier unit and have the privilege of waiting to drop outta deep strike to do it

Slight suspicion this guy will never let me position that again, or at least try—but a single 32mm is hard to block out like that

[thin ibex]

scorpions would work better into gsc no? Higher volume attacks, better base save and all that

[sour sequoia]

Oh yeah no scorpions pick up any GSC infantry that’s not packing a Locus

100%

[rocky shale]

Scorpions have a better armor save and stealth

But yeah getting deep strikes hurts as aeldari

Though kelermorph has ap2 so that still puts them on invuln wow

[thin ibex]

oh i was just thinking in general

rather than into kelermorph

man i wish combat patrol was a bit better; cause i really like it as a conceptual play style.

I will say though, as far as when I've watched games, they come out way closer than i expect considering the point disparity

[rocky shale]

The datasheets are altered often so points don't really accurately describe the sheets

[thin ibex]

I'm a big fan of the "self contained, ready to build and play, single box" format. Really appeals to a sense of agility

[mental birch]

Oh yeah played in aeldari once and they got kicked

Uehehhehe

[runic swallow]

Oh hey it’s Big Bird

[paper bluff]

Yes

I recommend

[paper bluff]

The necrons has some great centerpiece models

[mental birch]

He's showing you the way to sesame street

[desert jay]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/4bvbomik/death-guard-detachments-bombard-the-lackeys-of-the-corpse-emperor-with-plagues-and-poxwalkers/

Six detachments, sound pretty cool

[floral herald]

Slaanesh STAYS winning get FUCKED stinky legion

[desert jay]

Poxwalker one doesn’t give respawns, instead you just get more squads even if the old ones all still alive

I know they’re cheap squads but that’s still like a hundred something extra points

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/dyqyr3kw/praise-the-lord-of-skulls-with-new-world-eaters-detachments/

Also a WE article for anyone who didn’t peek the leaks

[jaunty dawn]

summoning is back??????

[soft willow]

Sorta, you just get a set number of extra poxwalker squads as your detachment rule, that come in as reserves in the middle turns.

At 2k it's 10 a turn on 2,3,4 for a total of 30 across the game.

[jaunty dawn]

interesting

[desert jay]

Also it’s seven if you include Flyblown Host, what was EC’s grotmas detachment? :D

[floral herald]

Oh nevermind the grandfather is pleased

[tired cairn]

Getting a squad on round 5 for onslaught sized games is pretty funny

[desert jay]

Flyblown might actually be good now that “pick a plague” is part of the army rule instead of the index detachment

[tired cairn]

Endless Swarm should have been free units instead of move after being shot lol (apparently my pet peeve is how badly that rule is for a horde army for game ergonomic reasons)

[desert jay]

This one might be a lesson learned from that

[tired cairn]

Having a single horde unit probably helps for the rule too

[desert jay]

Someone should design a wargame where you can push infantry around with a croupier stick

[tired cairn]

That probably exists for non-recreational focused wargames

[jaunty dawn]

thats just those group bases

[bright dove]

Return to square base

[paper bluff]

Can't we just bring back movement trays?

[tired cairn]

You can, nothing is stopping you (other than suboptimal gameplay)

[pastel rampart]

https://youtu.be/MsIF2RyeTkw?si=zrfbg9Oi5R7Bjz9I

[tired cairn]

"Highlighting" with black is a neat trick

[sour sequoia]

Oh shit I saw this guy’s post I gotta save this

[jaunty dawn]

this rhino is like

skewering a berserker

[quaint compass]

He was clearly not OSHA certified

[tired cairn]

Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows

[paper bluff]

I wonder if invocatus will be able to lead a unit of bloodletting on juggernauts

[tired cairn]

Do we know if the Nurgle and Khorne demons are getting as nerfed as the Slaanash ones in the upcoming WE and DG codexes?

[desert jay]

The expectation I think is all the changes made it into Daemon index 2.0

[rocky shale]

I love DG vehicles but I don't need another army. Pain

[desert jay]

Get a single kit and just go ham painting it as a display piece?

[paper bluff]

Yeah

[rocky shale]

Probably will once my backlog is smaller

[paper bluff]

Wait I misread. They are in the codex but what nerfed slaanesh demons?

[paper bluff]

Or offer to paint a friend who has DG

[tired cairn]

When the Emperor's Children codex came out, it made a bunch of Slaanashi demons quite a bit weaker compared to the previous index datasheets

[tepid stratus]

Daemonettes where the only buff because they got fights first

[tired cairn]

I think you are missing a word?

[junior robin]

decided to have a clooser look at EC and noise marines aren't battleline

[tepid stratus]

In fairness 6 units of them would be a devastating amount of shooting

[junior robin]

like I would have been ok with it if the troops got like sonic special weapons but they only get plasma/meltaguns

[floral herald]

They get a LOT of those though

[spice flicker]

It's funny that EC are the only cult legion without their most iconic "generic" legionaire be battleline. TS got battleline rubric marines, WE got battleline berserkers, DG got battleline plague marines, and yet EC doesn't get battleline noise marines.

[soft willow]

I'll be honest that the Noise Marines got a glow up to be a non battleline unit though.

I would take 6 units with their current rules if they did.

As it stands I'm pretty much starting EC lists with two units of them at minimum.

[spice flicker]

Honestly they do seem impressive and have me weary to face against with either drukhari or knights.

[soft willow]

Knights are probably still fairly safe as only the Blastmasters can punch hard enough.

[floral herald]

They have a lot of middle range firepower while being relatively tough

[soft willow]

Still a lot of shooting.

[floral herald]

They’re not like, true AT

But you have some other stuff for that

[soft willow]

Yup, Knights are going to want to avoid the Infractor/Lord blob

[rocky shale]

Dark reapers have taught me that volume fire mid-strength weapons is pretty nasty against almost every army

S10 Ap2 D3 my beloved

[past sphinx]

Wolfen may be the most painful models I've painted in a while

Covered in fiddly

[spice flicker]

Think of that as Penance for choosing to play (or at least paint) the furry army.

[tepid stratus]

As someone who will be running as many blast masters as possible I agree

[tepid stratus]

Outside of melee yeah. Flawless blades gotta carry the matchup otherwise

[past sphinx]

even the blades dont seem efficent enough to not get stomped

[soft willow]

Without Lucy they don’t measure up well.

Lethal hits from your Infractors+Lord, Maulerfiends, Fulgrim, and Lucy+FBlades should all be pretty solid melee threats though

[west zealot]

Canonically, that's exactly what he is currently? He's palling around the eye of terror and b eating up chaos and Lorgar

[desert jay]

Actually it would be pretty metal to find out that Corax actually found Logar a few millennia ago and they’ve just been duking it out since since both of them are just too hard to kill

Not that they’re not doing their damnedest to try

[tired cairn]

https://bsky.app/profile/opinionhaver.bsky.social/post/3lnecfvmzes2q

William B. Fuckley (@opinionhaver.bsky.social)

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You know, the black crusades must by necessity have a pretty robust DEI infrastructure to get their troops of the cults of various murder gods who hate each other to cooperate. Abaddon the despoiler is by necessity extremely woke.

Bluesky · Apr 21, 2025, 11:18 PM

[pulsar cairn]

[past sphinx]

abbadon is like rainbow capitalism

[pulsar cairn]

i think abbadon is cool

[past sphinx]

for murder

[pulsar cairn]

also why do you say so?

[past sphinx]

abbadon is a bastard, bent to his own ends and always willing to expend those disparate warbands at the drop of a hat to gain more power for the black legion, hes not a true ally

[pulsar cairn]

ooooh

yeah fair

also

he isnt really devoted to chaos is he?

from what i see he's just making chaos gods happy for the benefits

[thin ibex]

Wait don't EC get land raiders?

I figure maulerfiends are credible big melee and land raiders are credible big anti armor

[desert jay]

Yeah but you have to pay for a whole Land Raider

[thin ibex]

considering how infantry centric and how useful it is to have a sheltered delivery mechanism, i feel like thats not a huge ask; unless you mean irl

[paper bluff]

he's like shitty Constantine.

[soft willow]

Finding points for a LR in a EC list is interesting.

Doable though.

[past sphinx]

On one hand you pay for a land raider on the other you get an entire land raider

[wide veldt]

Hmmm

Yknow kinda strange in hindsight that the inquisition doesn’t really have its own army anymore given how important a player it is

[floral herald]

They get 3 technically

With the chamber militant armies

But the inquisition isn’t strictly a military force itself

[wide veldt]

Fair fair!

I more mean the witch hunters kinda got broken up

[floral herald]

Sisters are the formal chamber militant though

[wide veldt]

Okay cool

I actually don’t know the sisters were inquisition

[floral herald]

They’re not they’re a part of the church but they’re the Oreo Hereticus Chamber Militant - basically their chosen favored military limb they primarily work with

(Similar to the Grey Knights and Deathwatch)

Except the GK are sort of a branch of the inquisition themselves but not strictly the Ordo Malleus

[thin ibex]

They're each their own sovereign organisation that end up being THE guys for each branch of the inquisition to do military actions when taking over normal military forces or using inquisitorial stormtroopers arent enough

cause like the inquisition isn't actually an army

they have like deeply intertwining obligations and oaths that make them teh chamber militant

[west zealot]

Following his reappearance sometime after the Heresy, Corax became empowered by the Warp itself. Able to contend with the Daemon Primarch Lorgar, Corax is now capable of transforming himself into shadows, darkness, and unkindnesses of ravens.[13]

From Shadow of the Past by gav thrope. Corvus has literally become a horrible warp shadow beastie who's mulching up chaos Marines and attacking lorgar when he gets a chance

[desert jay]

Yeah I know that bit

And there's jokes about Lorgar hiding away in his warp fortress or w/e from Corax's wrath

[floral herald]

(The Deathwatch though are actually just space marine summer camp started by the Imperial Fists but they linked up with the inquisition during simultaneous reforms)

[desert jay]

But it'd be much more metal if they were just locked in battle for millennia as unkillable daemon vs unkillable warp shadow beastie

[west zealot]

Lorgar: I AM TRYING TO READ
angry crow noises

[desert jay]

Wait so DW and BT are both Fists offshoots?

[floral herald]

Yeah

[past sphinx]

inquisitor hector rex made the entire army of kreig on vraks part of his retinue

[floral herald]

Black Templars are from the Heresy with Sigsimund’s dangerous pals

[past sphinx]

(for the remaining siege, he gave them back afterward)

[floral herald]

And the Deathwatch was started by Koorland - the sole surviving Imperial Fist after the war of the beast

The other stubborn casualty enjoyers do NOT compare to the fists

[wide veldt]

i mean yes but alos

its 40k

they could do the inquisition as a faction

:p

[thin ibex]

effectively, inquisition never had its own army, though it does have a volume of inquisitorial stormtroopers; its primarily just inquisitors requisitioning what they need when they need from almost anyone

with preference to their respective chamber militants

they're like... the quintessential soup faction

[past sphinx]

unless ur karamazov

that man has 1 setting and its screaming from a walking war throne infront of his personal army

[west zealot]

The real inquisition army is the funky monkey

(where you deploy a massive amount of jokero and hope you get to go first in the turn order)

[past sphinx]

if agents do return in 11th i shall be demanding a monkey

err

orangutan for the sake of the librarian

[soft willow]

Crimson Fists really went for it too.

But really you get that Dorn in you and you go right on for it.

[thin ibex]

Who are the big "I lived bitch" chapters? Lamenters, Crimson Fists, Imperial Fists, Raven Guard, Raptors?

Celestial Lions didn't live right?

[past sphinx]

i think they are still kicking technically

[thin ibex]

Flesh Tearers are stil laround right, just got legendsd with gabriel seth

[past sphinx]

yeah we got pushed back a few editions

[thin ibex]

are the soul drinkers still like loyalist renegades or did they go full chaos?

[past sphinx]

witch is a little weird, FT is strangely popular

[west zealot]

Most recent a Cadilius assassin took the head off their chapter master.

So, alive but parts of the inquisition are real mad at them still

[past sphinx]

soul drinkers are gone iirc

[floral herald]

Not the fists haha

[west zealot]

Og soul drinkers are gone. Theres a primaris chapter that inherited their name and heraldry, but I don't know their actual status

[floral herald]

They’ve taken essentially 100% casualties multiple times and get reconstituted by painting their successors yellow

[thin ibex]

lol

oh so they're more like "I died bitch"

[floral herald]

Which works really well for them because the Fists handle recruiting for a lot of their successors through the Phalanx

[thin ibex]

that explains why we dont get a real chapter master for the sentinels of terra

just a name and no model

[floral herald]

Oh yeah the burn through chapter masters like crazy

[past sphinx]

one of the reasons i like fists

yeah their just all dead sort of like 50 several times

[rocky shale]

Imperial Agents feels a decent bit like inquisition as a faction because inquisitors make up most of your epic heroes and are good enough to almost always take

[thin ibex]

tangent, i know land raiders are iconic, but like if you had to assign land raider-ing to a chapter, who'd you give it to

[west zealot]

The imperial fists afterlife must be a very awkward game of who's on first. "We're the fists!," "no, we are"

[past sphinx]

space wolves

or templars

[thin ibex]

damn i already did a land raider space wolves list lol

[past sphinx]

depending on the model of land raider

[thin ibex]

it was actually effective too

[past sphinx]

templars got a whole ass land raider made of em

[thin ibex]

given i wasnt playing against highly skilled opponents, but 3 landraiders and like 30 blood claws was pretty good

and two drop pods with melta equipped grey hunters

[past sphinx]

man long beards are probably gonna be gone huh

[floral herald]

Aurora Chapter

[thin ibex]

oh who are they?

are they big on armored combat or like transports?

[floral herald]

Green colored Ultramarine successor focused on armor ops

Boasts the biggest armory pool of any chapter since they basically operate out of a forge world

[thin ibex]

i bet they and the raptors throw dirty looks at each other

[sour sequoia]

I think I am hangin up necrons tonight till 11th 🫠

I am now 0-2 into a guy who admits he needs chatgpt to build his lists

At a complete loss at how to trade into deathwing

[sour sequoia]

Surely, GSC will feel better than a bunch of overcosted stat sticks who don’t actually Kill

Hopefully its at least some fresh air

[thin ibex]

Different play style at least

As I understand it you play big into "eyes on the prize, play the objective" and not not nearly as much into "kill the other guy"

[sour sequoia]

I think I’d care less about necrons killing if they had interesting ways to score

But atm they’re really just ‘walk a unit here and hope your enemy doesn’t focus fire’

And they’re very very slow at that outside Hypercrypt

[thin ibex]

Hypercrypt and starshatter are the main comp detachments? With the destroyer one being kind of an off meta sleeper?

[sour sequoia]

Oh god no the destroyer one is dogshit

Literally worst detach in the game for the entire edition

[thin ibex]

I understand obeisance phalanx was bottom of the bunch?

[sour sequoia]

Awakened Dynasty is meta now, mostly due to a statcheck of Orikan+warriors+reanimator+ghost ark

HCL and Starshatter have both gotten pretty significant nerfs

[thin ibex]

Awakened dynasty seems like it's pretty solid for beginners or people trying em out too, in that you get your benefits by just bringing leaders

[sour sequoia]

I feel bad that I’m in here bitchin’ about it but like goddamn lmao I miss old Gauss I miss old Tesla

I’d forgive Immortals being 1 wound if they had their old firepower

[thin ibex]

I kinda wish they were two wound simply on the principle that they're supposed to be tougher than a space marine

[jaunty dawn]

inquisition army is basically just taking imperial agents in any of the three chamber militant factions. its honestly really weird that they didnt get scions when they added requisitioned units though haha

like inquisitorial stormtroopers are the only thing really missing from being able to make a witch hunters/daemon hunters list

or a theoretical xenos hunters one

id probably proxy breachers or something

[paper bluff]

Going back a bit, there's scuttle butt that sigismund and thus the templars are actually from one of the lost primarchs dur to the fists taking legionaries from the lost legions and that dorn said sigismund isn't his son

[paper bluff]

A 20 or 10 stack of warriors?

[sour sequoia]

20, 10 warriors is pretty bad rn

Way too easy to kill in an activation which is the only thing they have going for them, hedged reanimation protocols with every buff

[paper bluff]

mets love the Mets home run baby (2005 points)
Necrons
Strike Force (2000 points)
Awakened Dynasty
CHARACTERS
C’tan Shard of the Void Dragon (300 points)
• 1x Canoptek tail blades
1x Spear of the Void Dragon
1x Voltaic storm
Imotekh the Stormlord (100 points)
• 1x Gauntlet of Fire
1x Staff of the Destroyer
Orikan the Diviner (80 points)
• Warlord
• 1x Staff of Tomorrow
Plasmancer (60 points)
• 1x Plasmic lance
Skorpekh Lord (100 points)
• 1x Enmitic annihilator
1x Flensing claw
1x Hyperphase harvester
• Enhancement: Veil of Darkness
Technomancer (85 points)
• 1x Staff of light
BATTLELINE
Immortals (150 points)
• 10x Immortal
• 10x Close combat weapon
10x Tesla carbine
Necron Warriors (200 points)
• 20x Necron Warrior
• 20x Close combat weapon
20x Gauss flayer
DEDICATED TRANSPORTS
Ghost Ark (115 points)
• 1x Armoured bulk
2x Gauss flayer array
OTHER DATASHEETS
Canoptek Reanimator (75 points)
• 2x Atomiser beam
1x Reanimator’s claws
Canoptek Reanimator (75 points)
• 2x Atomiser beam
1x Reanimator’s claws
Canoptek Wraiths (230 points)
• 6x Canoptek Wraith
• 6x Vicious claws
Doomsday Ark (200 points)
• 1x Armoured bulk
1x Doomsday cannon
2x Gauss flayer array
Lokhust Destroyers (60 points)
• 2x Lokhust Destroyer
• 2x Close combat weapon
2x Gauss cannon
Lychguard (85 points)
• 5x Lychguard
• 5x Dispersion Shield
5x Hyperphase sword

Skorpekh Destroyers (90 points)
• 3x Skorpekh Destroyer
• 3x Skorpekh hyperphase weapons

I got a list then

If allowed the 5 extra then it's veil for the Skorpekh lord

[sour sequoia]

The 4+ FNP on a skorp lord is also pretty tough actually

[paper bluff]

With the add on +1 does that mean lethal and sus on 5?

And 4 with plas?

[sour sequoia]

No.

[paper bluff]

Yeah thought so

[sour sequoia]

But it does mean whole army on 2s, warriors/canopteks/crypteks on 3s

[paper bluff]

I almost forgot the pistols on the Wraiths

I need to get a mounted destroyer lord. Are people make making conversion for them?

[sour sequoia]

Base size is same as a Heavy, people usually take a spare stick off a Lord

[paper bluff]

I think I got an upper torso from a triarch pretorian around. Should also work on a heavy base I bet

[junior robin]

finally, worst wheel primaris lieutenant

[paper bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-wheel-skeleton-skeleton-wheel-wheel-epicnamebro-gif-27351734

[pulsar cairn]

Are grey knights part of the inquisition or their own thing?

[floral herald]

They’re own thing but in a complicated way

Since they were also founded by Malcador who also started the inquisition

[soft willow]

Malcador did a lot of that.

[jaunty dawn]

All the chambers militant are kinda independent

[thin ibex]

they're, at least inso far as their own org and stuff, explicitl not part of the inquisition, but have deep ties and obligations to it via oaths

the grey knights often do act on their own, and a grand master of the inquisition is not remotely beholden to the inquisition at any level

the inquisition lacks the grey knights ability to identify and intercept daemonic incursions with the same speed an acuity

[soft willow]

Prognosticators be like that.

[desert jay]

I was excited it might be a Votann preview but then I saw the little skull and sighed

[soft willow]

Might be a Knights thing, a cap for one of the weapons or power plants.

[pulsar cairn]

Are chamber militant like militias of the inquisition?

[thin ibex]

they're the like oathbound military force preferred by their respective branch of hte inquisition

the grey knights, for example, are the chamber militant of the ordo malleus; so when push comes to shove and an ordo malleus inquisitor needs to bring the hammer down, they call upon the grey knights

when the ordo xenos needs to hunt down a specific alien target, they call upon the deathwatch

when the ordo hereticus needs to assault a heretic or traitor bastion, they call on the adepta sororitas

and the arrangement isnt that they belong to the inquisition, its that they have a sort of "we have an arrangement, call and we'll come" sort of situation

where ultimately they CAN say no. Grey knight grandmasters i think are inclined to tell inquisitors to fuck off sometimes

and the deathwatch watchmasters sometimes do the space marine 2 thing, where an inquisitor is like hey give me a kill team and the watchmaster is like "best i can do is 2 guys"

[pulsar cairn]

Cool

[paper bluff]

Maybe another 30k mechanicus robot lol

[paper bluff]

The sororitas don't really have the ability to turn down the Inquisition though and also the militant wing on the imperial church

Really the sororitas exist because the imperial church is "not allowed to have men at arms" along with a whole reign of blood thing

[jaunty dawn]

The sisters exist to kill the imperial church

The decree passive is a posthoc justification that makes zero sense

The church isnt allowed to raise a militia of women either

Theyre just allowed to keep their executioners

And the only real difference authority wise between sisters and the space marine ones is that they have like. Way more tiers of power

The top is still just as untouchable

Its just the bottom goes deeper whereas eventually you run out of less significant assets when dealing with deathwatch

But like a kill team isn’t equivalent to a squad of sisters

[paper bluff]

Idk if the sisters have something that is like elite specialization for heretic hunting like what the deathwatch & grey knights are...

Nothing immediately comes to memory for me

[jaunty dawn]

For one thing, theyre actually equipped to be an occupying force

Faith makes them resistant and uniquely powerful and then theres just training

[paper bluff]

A confessor-canoness would be a cool model

[jaunty dawn]

To finish this point what I mean is like when you have the equivalent resources to bring in a kill team you are bringing like. An army formation of sisters

Because their numbers are part of what makes them good

[desert jay]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/hywvdtyb/two-new-villains-arise-for-the-death-guard-and-world-eaters/

Datasheet previews for the new guys

(Odd that they pick a multi-god daemons army for the diorama pic on a DG/WE article... and also include a legends unit)

[pastel rampart]

I like that the WE champ has speed lines.

https://tenor.com/view/digimon-dracomon-xros-wars-fusion-digimon-xros-wars-gif-1111622034726556080

[sour sequoia]

DG gonna become a nightmare if they still get a double leader rule on the fights-first boy and start slapping in 18” lone op

[desert jay]

Also this was revealed Sunday, but it's very funny to me that the DG combat patrol has the most boring Rhino paintjob either

[pastel rampart]

GW seems allergic to making chaos rhinos look fucked up and weird.

[desert jay]

Not even the Nurgle or DG emblem on the side

But you know that most DG players with a Rhino would be slathering it with the grossest textures even if not putting extra bits on it

[upper bluff]

That's the problem when 10 different armies share the same model

They have to advertise them with only what's in the box

[desert jay]

I know but come on, at least do some texture work

[pastel rampart]

Throw in a pair of DG rhino doors at least.

[desert jay]

Dab on some more muck besides that little bit above the treads

[unreal cosmos]

The main point of Eavy Metal paint jobs is to showcase the model itself

Can't obscure details or add texture

[desert jay]

Make an exception for Rhinos, b/c there's gonna be a dozen different Rhinos paintjobs to look at for the same dang model

(More if you count Razorbacks and Preds and Vinds)

[unreal cosmos]

I'm just saying the policy is pretty clear

[past sphinx]

I'd be almost surprised if the rhino doesn't get a refresh like the drop pod in a few years

Slightly scaling up the kits

Maybe chaos can get a razorback (cope)

[floral herald]

BLEASE

Maybe we can get a chaos razorback too

Call it a Hellspine or smth

[runic swallow]

Razorback boars are already pretty nasty irl tbh

[floral herald]

Yeah but it’s traditional for chaos to get the same thing but edgier

[runic swallow]

Fair lol

[floral herald]

Righteous Fury vs Zealous Hatred and so on

[paper bluff]

The feral hog

[floral herald]

Ironically this is often like

A class name the Imperium makes

Maybe they should stop making “Despoiler” class ships and such

Admittedly the Tyrant is a loyalist class lol

[runic swallow]

“Huh, weird how the ship class Betrayer keeps turning traitor”

“I’m sure the new class of Avarice frigates will have no issues”

[paper bluff]

Hang on i just realized something. We know a species that is older than the war in heaven

The necron pet species, the skolopendra. There's desendents of them in twice dead king

[thin ibex]

"Why would he name his favorite son Heresy, that's crazy?'

[sour sequoia]

First Name De, Last Name Ceiver

[past sphinx]

They actually did stop making specific patterns because of this, some are still floating around but their either mothballed or carefully watched

[deft crest]

Feels like a mean move on gws part to daemon players lol but maybe im biased here

[pastel rampart]

https://nico-realmsofchaos.blogspot.com/2013/12/chaos-knights-final-part-banners-and.html

[jaunty dawn]

This daemon split is the worst timeline

We have khorne daemonkin at home

Khorne Daemonkin at home: no more daemons except 1000pts in one detachment

[brittle salmon]

they're not getting rid of the chaos daemons index

[jaunty dawn]

No like

Cult legions are losing regular daemon allies

Have Lost, rather

[brittle salmon]

oh that is dumb

[jaunty dawn]

Chariots came back?

[deft crest]

I dont like that the nurgal sword and the melee of the WE slaughter bound are the same profile lmao

Oh wait didn't catch that nurgal blade as leathal hits and devi wounds

I dunno as long as they do something better for the daemon khorne detatchment later i dont care what happens with WE

[paper bluff]

But have you considered this?

[onyx elm]

"Bwud fo da bwud god! Kuls fo da kul fwone!"

[pulsar cairn]

im gonna give Kharn an evil cat

the cat shall also be devoted to khorn

that's just atrocitus the red lantern guy now

[paper bluff]

Evil cat is redundant

[quaint compass]

Good cat is indispensable for this organization and will be promoted accordingly

[paper bluff]

Also bah! The new WE combat patrol is great but I don't want to build more jakels

And the zerkers i have are sitting in my pile of shame for months

[quaint compass]

Same

I already have two daemon princes I need to finish kitbashing

[tranquil ivy]

Testing Dirty Down rust on black primer

Kinda wondering if it works or not

Funny enough dirty down on no primer leads to much brighter rust

[paper bluff]

I think to get my WE army going again I'm going to need the new combat patrol, 2 more rhinos and another fiend. Bad news on that, as I said, I really don't want to build more jackals

And them buy some korne demons?

I'm very meh on the whole things

[tranquil ivy]

Leadbelcher + Dirty Down

Chat

OUGH

I am in love

Now i need to find a secondary color for my boys

[pulsar cairn]

[deft crest]

I love it, I feel like if i licked them I would get that good oxidation taste. And tetanus

[tranquil ivy]

That's if you can see them :>
I'm gonna swap from Firestorm to Vanguard >:)

yes
heavy infantry with fog machines that look like deep sea divers

[paper bluff]

Loyalists?

[deft crest]

I don't need LOS to charge :3

[pulsar cairn]

Why do i only see traitors with power claws? Is it because claws are more evil looking? thought of that after looking at that terminator

[paper bluff]

It's more that it's an old thing

Like

Plus titans have power claws

Tyberous kinda has a powerclaw

Hmmm what are they implying with that title and showing 2 necrons model....

[pulsar cairn]

Ooh cool!

I suppose their claws just look different then

[jaunty dawn]

or well

heresy is kinda built on the idea that csm stuff + old stuff is just what the era looked like

[pulsar cairn]

There's also that i guess

[jaunty dawn]

so the scary claw finger thing is to be evil and scary

[paper bluff]

You know who else gets a power claw?

[jaunty dawn]

with the in universe reason being that it's from an outmoded armour set

the emperor

[paper bluff]

No!

[jaunty dawn]

and uh

huron

[paper bluff]

Necrons

[jaunty dawn]

alas

since weapons don't actually get lore anymore

there's not really any way to know what a flensing claw's deal is

being consistenly ap-1 though, it's very unlikely to be comparable to a lightning claw

[desert jay]

I think right now they can still take 500 pts from the index but it’s silly that they can’t use the datasheets in their own damn codex for it

[jaunty dawn]

no the index got updated to exclude cult legions

[desert jay]

Oh it got updated again?

[jaunty dawn]

same deal *as happened to gsc

today, yes

[desert jay]

Damn, any other changes or just that big middle finger?

[jaunty dawn]

it's now chaos knight and heretic astartes only

karanak back

chariots back apparently

[thin ibex]

It's funny how models for characters I didn't care about become way cooler once I read the novel they're from

Like Valerian was just "some dude" until I started reading the novels

[uneven ember]

I mean.
It's a claw.
For flensing.
seems pretty straightforward tbh

[sour sequoia]

It’s essentially identical to the flayed one claws, those are pretty explicitly just big knives

Higher base attacks, higher strength cuz Lord

[deft crest]

As someone who recently build all 3 of the necron "mancers"
Necron models make me want to die

Its all fine and dandy when putting a warrior or immortal together

But the Aprentec or the Psychomancer have small heads, The psychomancer has a fucking MESS of tentacles and limbs and fiddly bits that have very little surface to grip

All the Balljoint to like 2 connection points the Chronomancer has (I bought orkhan specifically)

The technomancer was FINE

but the arms are still tough

[paper bluff]

The push to fit plasmancer is simple enough gladly

[sour sequoia]

worst necrons models are easily scythe lychguard and then like... ophydians

szeras has a reputation but I had zero problems with him, moreso that subassembly is mandatory if you care abt painting

[paper bluff]

I have never built orphidans and don't think I will

[sour sequoia]

honestly the ark up there, also fine

just once again, Subassembly is mandatory if you care about paintjob

[paper bluff]

On ark?

[sour sequoia]

yup. The ribcage things and the interior gun become nigh impossible to paint well if you glue it all in at once

so you do the carriage part | the gun | each rib

Also if you haven't assembled any arks yet I got a 3d-print part to make em magnetize easy peasy, you assemble as DDA and magnetize the gun + this part, hang the warriors for the ghost ark upside down from it so they drop out the bottom

[thin ibex]

I wanna run the destroyer detach sometime, prolly gonna do it via tts so I spend no money to mess around with steroided flayers

[paper bluff]

I've not magnetized them

[paper bluff]

Funnily enough my list has no flayers

[paper bluff]

1 of each and I think that's all I need

[thin ibex]

are skorpeks decently dangerous in melee?

their profile says yes

but im curious

[tired cairn]

Sometimes GW models do things that I go "wow cool, that's a neat way to hide mold lines and gaps" and sometimes I wonder if the person in charge of splitting the model up into a sprue is full of hate

Fricken Tyranid carapaces split into three parts width wise seem perfectly made to make gaps that are really annoying to fill

[jaunty dawn]

yuup

[paper bluff]

Your wounding terminators on 3 with reroll hits of 1

Chuck on a s lord and then you have ap-2 lethal hits

[sour sequoia]

Extremely, they're kinda the only real melee threat in faction besides ctan shards/Szeras/Silent King

the tradeoff is frankly they're not that tough, and their base sizes are colossal. If you play on WTC terrain you basically have to run min-units with a Lord to maximize potential

any bigger and they simply do not fit behind most cover

[thin ibex]

Hmm OK, so when I play destroyers I'm betting on my ability to get them into the cookie jar pretty much

[rocky shale]

My experience going up against them is that they die to any decent shooting pointed at them before they close the distance

[tired cairn]

Are melee destroyers infantry?

You have to be sneaky getting melee infantry into combat if they don't move super fast. But "lurk on the other side of a wall near an objective" is a classic aiui

[rocky shale]

They are infantry but they have big bases

The main problem they have is being T6, 3+, 3W with no invuln

At 30ppm

Anything good at killing terminators absdoltely shreds them because of the no invuln

They're way more eof a glass cannon than the model would suggest

[tired cairn]

Oh, yeah that sucks. Totally exocrine fodder lol

Rapid-ingressing them in might work?

[thin ibex]

Sadly there are no big vehicles that are members of the destroyer cult or a flayer

They do have access to the heavy destroyers that can potentially pick out big enemy targets

[rocky shale]

The lord has a 4++but the rest of the unit just evaporates to anything in the realm of ap2 d3

[tranquil ivy]

yeah somewhat. they stay off the radar most of the time

[tired cairn]

You might be better off not using Annihilation Legion even if you like destroyers. I think it is considered fairly weak? Though, iirc, re-rolls on charge does mean you have about a 50-50 from coming in off reserves if you want to go that route

+1 to charge if below half strength is such a bizarre rule

[pine matrix]

That's real good, I'll need to get some for my Into the Dark terrain

[tranquil ivy]

Dirty Down Rust.

Truly Peak

[pine matrix]

Nice one! I have a dream of making it all rusted and overgrown with vegetation

[thin ibex]

oh i know its considered weak, I just wanna try it out. Thats why id do it in tts for a casual game or two

[tired cairn]

That's totally fair

[sour sequoia]

If you do get tired of Annihilation Legion (straight up worst detach in the game atm)

They absolutely crank in AD still, and giving a skorp lord 4+ FNP and a 1/game rez for 1CP will drive people to drink

[paper bluff]

AD?

[sour sequoia]

Awakened Dynasty, the index detachment

[paper bluff]

Ah

That was another list I have

mets love the Mets home run baby (2000 points)

Necrons
Strike Force (2000 points)
Awakened Dynasty
CHARACTERS
C’tan Shard of the Void Dragon (300 points)
• 1x Canoptek tail blades
1x Spear of the Void Dragon
1x Voltaic storm
Imotekh the Stormlord (100 points)
• 1x Gauntlet of Fire
1x Staff of the Destroyer
Orikan the Diviner (80 points)
• Warlord
• 1x Staff of Tomorrow
Plasmancer (60 points)
• 1x Plasmic lance
Skorpekh Lord (95 points)
• 1x Enmitic annihilator
1x Flensing claw
1x Hyperphase harvester
• Enhancement: Enaegic Dermal Bond
Technomancer (85 points)
• 1x Staff of light
BATTLELINE
Immortals (150 points)
• 10x Immortal
• 10x Close combat weapon
10x Tesla carbine
Necron Warriors (200 points)
• 20x Necron Warrior
• 20x Close combat weapon
20x Gauss flayer
DEDICATED TRANSPORTS
Ghost Ark (115 points)
• 1x Armoured bulk
2x Gauss flayer array
OTHER DATASHEETS
Canoptek Reanimator (75 points)
• 2x Atomiser beam
1x Reanimator’s claws
Canoptek Reanimator (75 points)
• 2x Atomiser beam
1x Reanimator’s claws
Canoptek Wraiths (230 points)
• 6x Canoptek Wraith
• 6x Particle caster
6x Vicious claws
Doomsday Ark (200 points)
• 1x Armoured bulk
1x Doomsday cannon
2x Gauss flayer array
Lokhust Destroyers (60 points)
• 2x Lokhust Destroyer
• 2x Close combat weapon
2x Gauss cannon
Lychguard (85 points)
• 5x Lychguard
• 5x Dispersion Shield
5x Hyperphase sword
Skorpekh Destroyers (90 points)
• 3x Skorpekh Destroyer
• 3x Skorpekh hyperphase weapons

Also folks were saying a 6 stack of Skorpekh no good?

[rocky shale]

On their base sizes it's super hard to hide and get into melee properly

[paper bluff]

I thought melee rules had it you can be a rank deep and still be in melee

[tired cairn]

It is. Big bases can still be awkward

Especially with how charging units behind walls work

[rocky shale]

Sometimes the map layout can screw you or you can just be unable to charge through a wall too

[tired cairn]

Yeah

[paper bluff]

Rarely do the people I play doing what one would call "offical terrain layouts"

[sour sequoia]

On anything resembling current tourney terrain the full brick + lord is not gonna fit into LOS-denial and its way too easy to pop a real unit of shooting in to just waste a unit beyond what reanimation has real hopes of fixing.

If you use lots of terrain? Rock on, I just can’t give advice for a meta I have no accounts of

[paper bluff]

The other thing though we must think about. If they focus the skorps, that a c'tan shard getting closer to them

And vise versa

[thin ibex]

I just like to run the flavor/ bad detachments in an environment where it costs me nothing

Call me a masochist I guess, I like to get a feel for why they're bad directly

And sometimes it can make for more unexpected/ fun games when the opponent is also just kinda trying stuff out

[paper bluff]

I still want to try to run the custodes hero detachment

[thin ibex]

I want to do that to get a mass of single model terminators just clowning around

[paper bluff]

Oh! Lions

[tired cairn]

My friend likes the social distancing Custodes detachment because that's how he was playing them anyways (instead of as a giant deathball that sweeps across the board)

[tired cairn]

And hey, someone did win with the Custodes detachment everyone thinks is terrible

(granted that was because most of the army was not sisters lol)

[runic swallow]

Social distancing?

Do they have a bonus to operating away from each other?

[paper bluff]

Hey now! It was sisters and their big friend and friends

[paper bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/principal-skinner-yes-seymour-skinner-the-simpsons-enthusiastic-yes-gif-15806751

[past sphinx]

+1 to hut and wound!

[tired cairn]

It's a pretty good stat increase (though moreso the wound part as they already mostly hit on 2s)

[pulsar cairn]

I was explaining to a friend how there are orks made of fungi in 40k and that for some reason they are all British

[quaint compass]

Fungus thrive in high humidity and Britain is very moist

[floral herald]

Everyone else is also British

[pulsar cairn]

True

Games workshop is British

[meager quail]

Space Brits

[empty siren]

I coulda done better but for my first time doing dry brushing (without my glasses too so it's sorta sloppy)

But. All in all

I think it ain't that bad

[uneven ember]

oh no that's cool

[empty siren]

I like the blood

Man I LOVE dry brushing

It's fun

I think I did good tho :)

[floral herald]

That blue really pops

[empty siren]

Temple blue or something I think is what it's called

[sour sequoia]

Temple guard blue carries a lotta my highlighting

[past sphinx]

40k is the story of God creating the British and the consequences for everyone else

[runic swallow]

Wow that looks really weird, but in a good way

Like the colors you see on some of those semi-transparent deep sea fish

[empty siren]

That was the plan ngl

I originally wanted to do a manta ray

So I air brushed it black. Then I wanted to do like, a purple nudibranch. Purple turned out bad tho

Nudibranch btw. I kinda just gave up, chose a random purple I have, slapped it on, used some temple guard. And yippee, it turned out good :)

[paper bluff]

Well also football hooligans

[deft crest]

Damn bro, the only cool thing here is reborn in blood

When your primarch can't compete with Skarbrand

[mental birch]

cackles

Nerfbat

[deft crest]

You mean Factiongutter

Because thats what I'm sure will happen given my luck here lmao

I wouldn't even care if they just make skarbrand another 100 points (Because i'm sure angrons going to be like 400 or something)

[thin ibex]

Wait what changed?

[deft crest]

Nothing, Just bein worried, The daemon specific detachments from the new codex doesn't fill me with hope.

And s4 berserkers feels

Eh

[brittle salmon]

All of Angron's Wrathful Presence abilities were reworked and are largely significantly worse, Reborn in Blood now returns him with half wounds rather than full, and he lost 2S/1 AP off Strike, 1S off Sweep

His attacks did all gain Devastating Wounds though

So that's some benny

[deft crest]

also kinda screws your army outta some stuff because you trade in 3 of your blessing dice for it

[brittle salmon]

That's always been the case

[deft crest]

it just seems less worth it now

Devi wounds is fine but i always felt like a unit like him always killed anything it touched anyway so

[floral herald]

I mean it is

Angron was such a distorting thing in WE listbuilding on account of the full respawn not really being priced in

[brittle salmon]

I mean, I'll be real, besides Wrathful Advance being kinda shit on these are pretty reasonable changes. Angron has been the competitive lynchpin of WE since the army existed

[brittle salmon]

This, yeah

Goonhammer has called Index Berserker Warband a "solved army" for a while now

That's bad

[deft crest]

Yeah thats fair

[spice flicker]

Still nervous about taking on WE with both chaos and Imperial knights.

[sour sequoia]

I think the only innovation I’ve seen was ‘lol. lmao. Double lord of skulls’ and. Man.

[past sphinx]

WE always had a single gameplan

as part of CSM it was part of a toolkit, hyper aggression backed by tanks or arty or any of the giant bucket of toys and now its like watching a limping dog

[sour sequoia]

You can make khorne have tricks is the thing that bums me out, like you could just port Blades of Khorne’s ruleset to 40k and it would shred

But WE has to be the unga bunga meme

Blades of Khorne is actually a really scary aggro chess & tempo army, they got some other tricks to force you to charge them etc

AoS Skull cannon shoots every time it kills models in melee, give their forgefiend or a new ranged unit something like that

[bright dove]

Yeah, Blades of Khorne is far, far more interesting in terms of things it does

[sour sequoia]

the juggernaut cav remains big charge deeps guys but that's fine that's Cavalry. The infantry turns into a big moshpit of everybody hyping everybody else up, the nakey cultists as cheap screens who charge blood tithe up real good and blood warriors + wrathmongers as huge anvil units

the ten billion priests is a thing but that's not as necessary in 40k

[sour sequoia]

great news, Mortarion's now hitting harder than Angron The Combat Boy lmaooooo

death guard glazing is endless

[deft crest]

Who'd win in a fight,
Dude with Bloodthirster in his body
Or Stinky boy with slab of sword

[sour sequoia]

one less attack, 2 effective higher strength thanks to stank aura, he's finally damage 2 on the sweep, warmaster auras are some sicknasty reactive plays

[deft crest]

He has a ranged attack too lmao

[sour sequoia]

and death guard randomly has a full range for like zero identifiable reason

[deft crest]

dude i'm still shocked they didn't give angron even a basic bloodthirster breathe attack

[sour sequoia]

everything previewed for them is just straight buffs across the board besides maybe no more nurglings by default

[deft crest]

Flumoxed

[sour sequoia]

The leaders in power armor are like all T6 now which also implies T7 terminators

[past sphinx]

DG might be the highest selling non imperium faction

I dark imperium was the first box set a lot of people bought and it got so many dg players into the community

Strong models, broad base and way fucking easier to paint than normal csm

[tepid stratus]

Angron changes made me feel less bad about Fulgrim but then I saw the Morty buffs and had to clench my cheeks

[soft willow]

Honestly? Morty is great for his legion, but he's still likely to lose to Fulgrim now.

[tepid stratus]

Ironically the group I usually game with are all on a roller coaster with these reveals

[soft willow]

Points cost will really make or break how even they feel.

[tepid stratus]

Naw Morty wins that fight. Pretty sure it was auspex tactics did the math. Fulgrim loses to Magnus (provided Magnus gets a shooting phase), Morty and Cainis rex

[tepid stratus]

For the record I'm an EC main and my 3 friends are DG, WE and TS mains respectively

[soft willow]

He did the math using old morty who had -1 damage aura.

[rocky shale]

Damn I do wish xenos had some flashy giant dudes

[soft willow]

New morty doesn't have that, and Fights First is a hell of a drug.

[tepid stratus]

So relief, elation, depression and fear are filling out group chat lol

[rocky shale]

Wraithknights are in the same point ballpark but they are way more plain IMO

[frail jacinth]

I'd say the avatar of Khaine is almost on the same level

like it's definitely not as hype as a primarch but similar ballpark

[sour sequoia]

Whole army t6/t7 lmfao

GW really said nobody’s allowed to be tough except stank ass

[floral herald]

What are the world eater gunners doing to the autocannons

[tepid stratus]

Damn rapid fire 6?

Pretty sure the normal one is only rapid fire 4?

[floral herald]

Rapid Fire 2 for the CSM predator destructor

[rocky shale]

Close, but he's fairly overcosted at 300pts so definitely more like a primarch than a daemon primarch

[sour sequoia]

I gotta go check what his statline clocks at

Nightbringer's a little overcosted too but he at least picks ether of these guys up very few questions asked

[tired cairn]

Orks seem like they would make Khorne happy. Maybe they took inspiration from them

(I'm guessing it's a typo?)

[floral herald]

It might be a typo

The Predator Destructor is mostly a “skip it” data sheet these days though

[tired cairn]

Though I'm sure Khorne hates it when a paindoc successfully reattaches an ork head

The combi bolter being two attacks base but RF 4 and the heavy bolter being 3 attacks base but RF2 are also weird

[sour sequoia]

GSC seismic guns work the same iirc, rapid fire 2 but different sizes have different base attacks

[junior robin]

clearly its to rub in the wound made by the things we can't have (lore-accurate WE tank company)

[thin ibex]

REALLY good auto loaders

or the crew is like mostly loaders

[thin ibex]

honestly thats kind of a gnarly predator

[thin ibex]

competes against plasma forgefied and loses as i understand it; more of a bring it cause its what you have or you just like it kind of situation

[thin ibex]

tbh i really do like the predator in general

its a cool tank

just doesnt really like... generally stand up on the sm or the csm to its competition

on its own merit though i do think it can perform admirably

and the predator destructor makes for a good generalist when you bring lascannon sponsons

[empty siren]

My friend is Happy

[floral herald]

I think the Annihilator is p good

[thin ibex]

for sm its got too much comptetition, but i think its solid on csm

i think its actually fine on sm too, its just a question of "Pred annihilator OR lancer OR ballistus OR repulsor executioner'

[thin ibex]

hmm who's a good candidate for making a "Classic 1st gen marines" list?

i know atm its pretty much just tac marines, devastators, and terminators right?

as far as infantry

[jaunty dawn]

Uhh

If you dont want to really use any primaris

Hmm

[floral herald]

Terminators and scouts are also ok

[jaunty dawn]

I was gonna say marneus calgar

[tepid stratus]

Unfortunately just about everything is primarised now with space Wolves getting their rework

[jaunty dawn]

Like he rubiconded but

Its also pretty first gen coded to have big fist man

[thin ibex]

Yeah 1st generation coded is enough

I feel like assault intercessors with jump packs are so close to being standard assault marines too

[pastel rampart]

They're basically assault marines, yeah

[jaunty dawn]

For sure

[west zealot]

I wish Demon Primach Angron had a more interesting visual design, it just does zilch for me

(for comparison, I quite like Morty and Fulgrim's designs as a general design level thing)

[thin ibex]

Might just be a vibes thing for you? I've seen a fair few people who love his design

[west zealot]

I'm generally not a fan of big red demon so that's probably a large part of it

https://i.redd.it/zrccwg9iyrwe1.png

[pulsar cairn]

thats just what khorne's stuff look like sadly

[paper bluff]

In book it was 420

[thin ibex]

Do we even have skarbrands new rules?

[hard whale]

they're the same as his rules in the chaos daemons index, except without the bit that interacts with Shadow of Chaos

[empty siren]

Found a good example for what the flesh of my Tyranid is supposed to represent cause it's colourful in some spots

Tyrasquid

I didn't just fuck up and put extra paint in a spot I didn't mean to I swear

It's lore guys, lore

The best kinda lore is just excuses for mistakes

[deft crest]

Skarbrand my beloved

[pastel rampart]

A very good off-brand Angron/Skarbrand is Creature Caster, which I got a couple for a friend of mine.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/591429239211950081/1365286623654445087/20250425_064644.jpg?ex=680cc1c0&is=680b7040&hm=d8801537015d0d01529d62788ec6c1e76bec1036e49e3ca3dbebafa028097441&

[jaunty dawn]

Creature caster stuff is amazing

[pastel rampart]

Check out the size after said friend assembled them.

HUGE FOR HUGE GUTS etc etc

[jaunty dawn]

Wanted to get some stuff for ruinstorm daemons

[pastel rampart]

I did not get them off CC tho lmao that cost me like $30 for both

[upper canopy]

They gave him the fuckin

Darksiders Death Mask

[pastel rampart]

They sure did!

(not shown: the big one on the left has loving sculpted uh..."skulls" between the thighs)

(no I don't know why the company did that)

[jaunty dawn]

I mean given the rest of the range Id call them cowards if they didnt

[pastel rampart]

Right?

They didn't go far enough though, just has Khorne's family jewels.

[jaunty dawn]

Lmaooo

[pastel rampart]

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My friend has a Problem™️ with wanting giant demons.

[jaunty dawn]

Thats a lotta daemons

[pastel rampart]

Yeah he wants ALL the big angry khorne/baelor style demons.

I give'em some friendly gruff for not finishing any of'em tho.

[junior robin]

looks like they got enough bloodthirster proxies to recreate the first war for armageddon.

[pastel rampart]

Yeah lol

He's missing like...4 GW bloodthirsters: the very OG metal one from the RT era, the FW one, the current plastic kit and Skarbrand. Angron as well.

[upper canopy]

oh btw

speaking of bloodthirsters

wait shit

twitter link

dam

[deft crest]

I 3d printed mine from someone that ripped the models and touched em up form TW3

Big fan

[quaint compass]

oh thank goodness

I was afraid World Eaters would be on there

[tired cairn]

You get three guesses as to what collecting that army would say about you, and the first two don't count

[desert jay]

You share the middle-right square with CSM

[jaunty dawn]

the lack of imperial guard is kinda ironic

[desert jay]

I dunno why AdMech is listed, they already know

[floral herald]

Notice how Astra militarum isn’t present

[tranquil ivy]

I want some external thoughts

How would you make this mini look more like a lieutenant/higher ranking space marine?

[pastel rampart]

Banner pole and different helmet color can do a lot.

[tired cairn]

That would be captioned with "you spend way too much money on miniatures"

(though AdMech should get that too)

[tranquil ivy]

Sooo like one of these?

[pastel rampart]

Yeah. That makes'em stand out a lot more.

[tranquil ivy]

Great

I DO have an ancient proxy

But i want a neat looking guy with a combi weapon or something

[empty siren]

Should I run a ghostkeel Battlesuit in my list??

Kauyon btw

I play against a Deathguard player and a guard player primarily

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

flavourful and cool

[empty siren]

It's also like

It seems pretty good

[thin ibex]

ghostkeel is good

its a very annoying harrassment piece

[empty siren]

Because my friends Run a lot of anti armour, so being able to nuhuh a hunter missile

[thin ibex]

dont expect it to be hyper lethal tho

[empty siren]

I mean, I'm running Kauyon, so I'm gonna be really slow for a bit

I think I could have the ghostkeel out turn 1 because of the Lone Op

So it can somewhat harass my friends models as they push up the midboard, supporting the infantry and using the nuhuh damage when he gets close enough

[thin ibex]

absolutely, you can also flex it a bit by having in front to screen out scout moves

[empty siren]

Also they're BADASS. they are sick

[thin ibex]

but be careful of enemy speedy chargers, in those cases deploy back

kauyon gets hall of mirrors shenanigans right?

[empty siren]

Kauyon is the BR3 type stuff so maybe?

I know they have a stratagem to reduce charge rolls by 2

Yes, Kauyon have hall of mirrors

[empty siren]

Photon grenades + combat embarkation stratagems do actually help against that

And I do wanna run a few transports because gun and because I want my boys to be safe

[thin ibex]

breachers past round 3 are hella scary in a devilfish

with a fireblade

[empty siren]

Are riptides any good?

Fuck it's taking every fiber of my being to not pick up a storm surge

[tired cairn]

Something something it's better to buy models for their looks than their rules

[empty siren]

I know but I do care about money because it's uh

240 fucking bucks😭

Riptide is like 150+

BUT THE STORM SURGE IS SOOOO COOL

THEYRE BOTH SO COOL

I got paid today so I'm like AAA

[pastel rampart]

Ebay might land you a cheaper deal for a Stormsurge.

[empty siren]

LGS tho

I like supporting the small businesses in my town because we don't have much going on for hobby shops

Okay the devastating wounds from the riptide plus Kauyon sustained hits 2 and the invul save AND it's cheap pts wise

Imma go for it

[sour sequoia]

Riptides are good because they’re some of the only firing platforms that can take a hit in tau

They’re the closest thing you have to anvils I think, best formulated for blowing up terminator equivalents

Rule of buying what you like painting and seeing on the table holds true though. Rules will always come around and go around.

[rocky shale]

Stormsurge is like most knight-sized models and a little awkward to justify in a lot of lists

Riptide looks like it either shreds teq or meq dependent on what guns you give it

And 2+ 4++ with fall back and shoot is no slouch either

[empty siren]

Yea. I also plan to do a somewhat infantry heavy list

Widdle down the enemy and try to hold objectives and score secondaries

Then to ensure a W, drop in my heavy hitters, which are my Battlesuits which have been sitting in deep strike

Other than the ghostkeel of course. Because lone op, im not worried about him being shot off right off rip

[rocky shale]

Ghostkeels are tough but also don't shoot very hard

Also thier damage blanking doesn't dodge melta bonus damage

[empty siren]

The point of the ghostkeel is to be a threat and divert attention from my smol squishy infantry

[rocky shale]

Yeah it works decently at that

Are you running breachers outside of devilfish?

[empty siren]

Not sure tbh

I need to finalize like my vehicle/suit list and then I'll build around that a bit

[rocky shale]

Tau infantry just evaporate when looked at

[empty siren]

I do have strikers to reduce the enemy's hit chance

[empty siren]

Yeah, that's why I need some transports for sure. That's also why I got a ghostkeel. I want my boys alive till turn 3

I gtg

[rocky shale]

You will need something to do T1 and T2 lol

If your go turn is always T3 (because you have to bring in units from reserves by then) then it can be pretty easy to screen you out on that turn

So sometimes not fully loading everything in DS can be good

[empty siren]

Push midboard with a ghostkeel and transports. Supported possibly by two broadsides for the anti tank

Both broadsides will be getting guided by a pathfinder team being led by Darkstrider for the anti deepstrike 12"

[thin ibex]

ill echo others, the riptide isn't particular killy

but its one of the tau's only legitimately tanky pieces

so it earns points in that regard

i actually love bringing a single shield drone on tau strike team shas ui's; because if they live due to that one wound, they might still complete an action or spot for something

[empty siren]

The riptide is just cool as well

It's basically the spotlight model

[thin ibex]

im a sucker who likes its burst cannon WAY more than its mechanically better ion cannon

because massive gatling gun is just cool

[empty siren]

EXACTLY

Big funne BRRRRRRT

[thin ibex]

it kills infantry well enough

[empty siren]

I'd rather have a cool badass warthog gattling gun

Everytime I see a burst cannon that's all I hear

[empty siren]

Exactly. That's the reason why I want a Starscythes + Coldstar unit

[thin ibex]

nice part about the HBC is that it does 2 damage per, so it can kill a marine in one shot

[empty siren]

Is it actually worth the like 200+ pts? Maybe. Sustained hits 2 and if guided by stealthsuits, rerolling hits and wounds of 1...

Is really funny

It seems like a good mop up crew against my friends poxwalkers or capable of ripping in half an Imperial Guard battleline unit

I not trying to list tailor, but it feels like I am😭

But in general, having that huge output of attacks with sustained hits 2 is actually REALLY nice to threaten the enemy or to actually rip apart an infantry squad

[thin ibex]

with the poxwalker detach on the horizon

you might need the anti infantry support

[topaz hinge]

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[jaunty dawn]

Shouldve sat 0.9” from the wall so the base doesnt fit but out of engagement range smh

[desert jay]

Or find a thicker wall

[empty siren]

Ion accelerator or heavy burst

I'm thinking heavy burst for the devastating wounds thing

[sour sequoia]

Generally Ion, its the termie killer and you’ve got loads of other things that do great into Marine equivalents

[empty siren]

Trueee

[wet grotto]

triptide is based

we stan triptide in tau

[jaunty dawn]

Burst cannon is pretty underwhelming unfortunately

[thin ibex]

ion is the good one, heavy burst is just the vibes one

its annoying that the riptides does 4 dmg but the hammerheads ion doesnt

i bring hbc 100% aware that its a downgrade

[empty siren]

I did ion + plasma

Because I want the range and the damage

[thin ibex]

Is there a summary of how the gsc rebellion went on Terra?

Ultimately of course it failed

[past sphinx]

Custodes basically purge massive sections of terra

It was

Indiscriminate at best

[pulsar cairn]

Insane how they managed to get to Terra

[faint galleon]

Less insane when you consider the Ludicrous pilgrim count

[west zealot]

Pilgrim tribes who have wars in the waiting lines, amongst other insanity.

Also Genestealers are just crazy insidious, and at least one of the big cults has cracked how to make food carry the genestealer kiss, so they can literally taint hiveworlds without needing a single genestealer or cult member to touch down

The cult has pulled off shit like nearly subverting an entire space marine chapter (and for all intents and purposes, did - the scythes could kinda sorta resist it, but they're all extinct now and replaced with primaris Marines to take over the mantle)

And the imperium's various bullshittery makes it incredibly easy for the cult to thrive and prosper

[sour sequoia]

Shit Sucks

Why not hang out with Gribbles Jim who figured out how to make real food from the sewerslop and get guards off your back

[dense idol]

so i've got this box of lychguard/triarch praetorians and i'm getting choice paralysis about it

the overwhelming opinion online is that praetorians are overcosted and can't effectively use deep strike whereas lychguard with dispersion shields are far better value for points in their durability

however

[floral herald]

Rules are temporary cool models are forever

[thin ibex]

yeah is there one you just straight up like better?

build that one

[dense idol]

in the boarding actions ruleset, which we play a lot of at my local group, led-by abilities are all non-functional, and the tight corridor terrain biases the meta towards fast and aggressive melee strikers which would normally struggle to hide from line of sight and withstand long-range shooting

there is also the Rule Of Cool to consider

[thin ibex]

if you want meta; the lychguard with shields are the meta

i do also like the lychguard with the polearms mostly because polearms are cool

which is also why i like the praetorians with the staffs too

rod of the covenant

[sour sequoia]

Lychguard with shields en masse are genuinely quite good for their cost still

Scytheguard are wacky cool models with just terrible statlines rn

staff praetorians are the way to go I think if you build praetorians

[thin ibex]

thematically i really like triarch praetorians; they should really be stronger i think

[sour sequoia]

Rule of cool should prioritize, but I will say I rule of cool’d on like 10 scytheguard and I really just wish they were shields this point

[dense idol]

there's also the option of creating some kind of amalgam from the kit which could plausibly proxy any of the options

[sour sequoia]

^^^

if you magnetize the stick heads and put the praetorian backs on you can do both scytheguard and stick praetorians very easy

[thin ibex]

scytheguard if htey ever get to do what they want, CAN output decent damage, but like... not extraordinarily so

lychguard are meant to be like at least equiv to like bladeguard right?

[sour sequoia]

They’re meant to be terminator elites

[thin ibex]

the dubious honor of being able to kill normal marines reasonably efficiently mechanically

yeah if scythe guard wanna be glass cannons they need just some more cannon to go with the glass

[sour sequoia]

Necrons stuff has been outta wack since the shift of marines to 2W

[thin ibex]

immortals should be tougher, 2w i think

[sour sequoia]

Because prior they line up quite well

And lychguard should be like 3-4 lmao

[dense idol]

i've been making mental notes about my list itself from the games i've had so far

[floral herald]

Yeah it's sorta weird how back when I started necron warriors were pretty unambiguously MEQs

And now they're... weird

[dense idol]

a lot of the boarding actions detachments feel weird

some armies get their army rule entirely removed, and other get to keep it on top of other things

[thin ibex]

i dont mind the warriors not being super strong, but like they SHOULD be sticky/hard to get entirely off the board

[dense idol]

some armies only get some vehicle-specific rules removed, some get basically every unique rule on characters removed

[sour sequoia]

Boarding actions is cool but its very much a for fun thing that I don’t think GW cared too much about

[floral herald]

Ofc necrons were probably the most poorly designed army in the game when I started playing because phase out was fucking stupid

[dense idol]

necrons are hit very hard by the latter scenario

[sour sequoia]

I know the destroyers available all kinda crank because the heavy labyrinthine maps mean people don’t get nearly as many chances to just shoot em

God I forgot they let you take szeras thats funny as shit

[dense idol]

i've been finding

• skorpekh lord and destroyers are doing serious work in almost every match
• battleline units feel underwhelming, especially warriors who have to go in squads of 5 and suffer hard without reanimation protocols and their number is legion by proxy
• scarab swarms are still surprisingly useful, despite losing self-destruct and the oc-reduction not doing all that much, just for being fast and resonably durable melee units

[sour sequoia]

Yeah warriors are terrible without all the bells and whistles right now

[thin ibex]

skorpekhs feel like they're great in boarding

[sour sequoia]

Scarabs are great despite that for similar reasons, just dirt cheap goofy statlines that take too much effort

[dense idol]

they are

funnily enough i've had quite a few matches where they did basically nothing and were still essential to victory

an especially funny example was when they stood on an objective in front of a hatch on round 1 and blocked 10 kroot carnivores from entering it for the entire match

[sour sequoia]

Skorpekhs in boarding action flip on their head from glass cannon to a meatgrinder since nobody’s packing mass plasmas

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-know-who-it-is-i-think-its-venture-bros-brock-samson-eye-twitch-gif-20249028

[thin ibex]

thats prolly my favorite part about boarding action

is changing the dynamic

for some units

[empty siren]

GRAAA

I LOVE TAU

COOL ASS MECHA

Posing is weird because I misread instructions but hey it stands so :p

Glue damage because my hands are shaky 😎😎

[thin ibex]

im so like... mixed on the riptide aesthetic

cause its posture always feels awkward to me

[empty siren]

It does

It's a weird pose

The two poses you can do have weird instructions

[thin ibex]

if/when i get one im prolly gone try mounting the weapons in different spots

namely the secondary gun is likely gonna go under the shield

[empty siren]

I'm also just dumb and need incredibly specific instructions with examples and multiple angles of said examples

[empty siren]

That's actually what I liked about the riptide. The meltas under the shield. That's awesome imo

I think shields make everything cooler. We need to normalize shields. They're cool...why don't space marine dreadnoughts have shields?

[thin ibex]

oh but they do

[empty siren]

I want like, a sword brother dreadnought

[empty siren]

Oh yeah 🤤

Shield and axe

Hammer and shield would've been cooler but I love it either way

[dense sedge]

Purestrains feel like they’d do good in boarding action

8” advance and charge, 4x +2/4/-2/1 profile, 2 wounds and an invuln

[thin ibex]

how do people feel about stationforge prints for proxies?

[past sphinx]

they have a very particular funk to em

[dense idol]

i feel like magnetising my lokhust heavy destroyer but i think my magnets are just slightly too chunky to fit inside the body of the guns

i've heard online that you can actually just keep it as a push-fit to swap out the weapon, which could be worth investigating

[thin ibex]

I've never met anyone who wouldn't just let you say what you're fielding the heavy destroyer as

[dense idol]

also true

but there's no way to address choice paralysis quite like adding in a third choice

[tired cairn]

Magnetizing is fun!

[sour sequoia]

Best way to do it is chop the barrels of each gun, glue in your preferred stock (I like the big cable and the fuel cells on the enmitics) and magnetize the barrel to the stock

[pastel rampart]

And he didn't show up at the LGS today

[empty siren]

I was thinking

I'm playing Tau, Kauyon. I wanna run a ghostkeel so it protects my smaller boys as they push up midboard. Should I keep the fusion collider or switch for ion cannon

The ghostkeel isn't gonna be super aggressive, but I suspect I will be charged. And I want my squishy infantry to survive the charge phase, so he's basically just a body guard

Hmm...ion I think is more versatile. Melta is nice but 1 (or 2) attacks and they possibly miss, don't wound, or roll 1s on damage

[thin ibex]

ion is a much better generalist

the fusion is helpful in that you have very little str 12 up close

[empty siren]

Question

Two breachers and two strikers or three of one and one of the other

[thin ibex]

I'd drop one all together, 2 breachers one strike

both breachers in devilfish

strike to babysit home obj

[empty siren]

Is it a good idea do have a pathfinder team spotting for two broadsides?

The Pathfinders have Darkstrider attached to them. I ask because it does use a lot of points, but it literally just makes my deployment zone untouchable by deepstrike

Broadside on each side with rail rifles. Pathfinders spotting for both to give +1 to hit and ignore cover. Anti deepstrike in the middle of the two spotting enemies

[thin ibex]

Gotta remember the Pathfinders have to be able to see what the broadsides are wanting to target to spot for em.

And spotting for broadsides is good, generally you want to spot for them with stealth teams, but a pf team does fine in that regard

The main thing is that the pf team is fragile as paper and an efficient spotting platform, so an opponent will know to just erase them

If they don't die, they'll put in work on the spotting side of things for you

[sour sequoia]

To whoever told me to buy a playset of rockcrushers: I love you. These are god’s strongest space marine murder machines

Its project time baby

[soft willow]

Played EC on EC today and wow was that a shockingly killy game.

[west zealot]

So actually one funny thing wrt to Terra is that given the population numbers involved, it should just bake to death (humans emit a ton of body heat, and once you get to to the supposed trillions on a planet...).

The idea of the custodes and high Lords having to constantly tinker with the planetary aircon is very funny

[sour sequoia]

Sacred Lord of The Exalted HVAC

[west zealot]

No, we can't have more pilgrims this year!

Why not?

Explosion in the background, several Amechs run past on fire

"Because the Exalted HVAC is having a bad decade"

[hardy harness]

Odd question, is Bricky an alright 40k channel or is he a shitty person

[thin ibex]

seems alright to me, i havent heard any huge controversies around him

not every take he makes is golden or perfectly accurate

[pale narwhal]

Bricky’s pretty good as a person as far as I’m aware

[rocky shale]

Bricky controls the vtubers

He is too powerful

[thin ibex]

Is the EC dex and points fully out?

[upper canopy]

Bricky ate an entire semi-truck in front of me once.

Do not trust him

[tardy vault]

Bricky is cool yeah

If you're looking for recs, I can also vouch for the Poorhammer guys.

[frail jacinth]

If we're giving recs I'd also say that Arbitor Ian is the best warhammer creator i've seen - really good lore videos that also come with the irl history of the game and its lore

plus his book club is a great way to vicariously consume black library

[past sphinx]

oculus imperia is a person with a great deal of clarity on what the imperium is

[floral herald]

Yes

[mental birch]

Here's a real funny detail

Breachers are one of the biggest heavy hitters in t'au

[west zealot]

Further musing on the problem of Terra:

If it's constantly importing and not exporting, the planet should just... Catch fire, eventually. Literally. You can't just keep bringing in mass at the scale required to feed trillions!

Somewhere, somehow, the Adeptus Toiletus have the worst job: exporting all the shit off planet.

[sonic hare]

space elevator of poo

we Dubai now

[thin ibex]

As I understand it, Terra IS kind of a hellish put when you're not at the top

It does Also maybe make things worse that the imperial palace is continent sized, so most of those trillions are stuffed into even less land mass

But also if I understand right, much of Terra's oceans are gone?

[west zealot]

They are. It's a city-planet now

And yes, super hellish.

I'm just musing on the bits where the grim dark falls over due to scale

(see: the planet should literally bake to death thanks to the body heat of trillions of people)

Truly the real reason for the golden throne was to well, be... A really golden throne.

[thin ibex]

Maybe that's something that gets like... cycled into the power systems. Whole planet is threaded with converters and now if with people died there would be power problems

[sonic hare]

I don't think the grim dark falls over due to scale. It's not supposed to make sense. The whole thing is that the scale is incomprehensibly massive.

[thin ibex]

Enough people* died

[west zealot]

This is also why the eldar are mad: emps is just dumping planetary levels of sewage into the webway

[thin ibex]

That was Big E's real use plan of the web way. Disposal

[pastel rampart]

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[west zealot]

Can't destroy energy, so that doesn't work.

Heat is a fucker. (I mean really the answer is why are you applying real life physics, to which I answer because it's funny)

[pulsar cairn]

Heh

No joke tho

Perturabo pronably wouldnt care about Bronies

Doesnt mean he would be nice to you tho

He would probably you make you a slave or some shit

[floral herald]

I just assume they're lying about the population

[floral herald]

fwiw this isn't true in 40k

Void Shields work on a principle of destroying energy by shunting it into other dimensions iirc

So it's likely that Terra just contributes to warpal warming :p

[floral herald]

But also quadrillions is goofy and the imperium supposedly counted them on vellum so I don't really buy it beyond "dang that's a lot"

I do like the idea that Terra would literally melt down without technology shunting the planet's waste heat into other dimensions though

It's very technological nightmare in a good way for 40k

[thin ibex]

I saw waste and i was like 'The poop portals are destabilizing!" Big E standing from the throne 'Sweet mercy, this is worse than the heresy'

[floral herald]

Maybe they put them on the ships

IIRC like a million ships worth of supplies a day land at terra

Maybe they load em up with waste on the way out

[past sphinx]

Dubai style

[uneven ember]

"TEN THOUSAND AGRI-WORLDS ARE FERTILIZED WITH THIS POO"

[bright dove]

Sacred Shit from Holy Terra itself.

[uneven ember]

also probably some sanitation workers in there
you know how it goes

[empty siren]

It's a beautiful day outside

Imma hobby in my backyard

Warhammer player getting sunlight for the first time, wish me luck

But like seriously holy Terra it's gorgeous. Gentle breeze. Not too hot. Lots of shade and some clouds

[desert jay]

"Every ship that comes to Terra with tithes of grain leaves laden with fertilizer!" "You wash them out after, right?"

[uneven ember]

"of course. what kind of dystopian nightmare universe doesn't enforce food safety standards"

[faint galleon]

Food safety Inquisition Ordo

[floral herald]

Reminds me of my favorite Dark Heresy enemy

The Xothic Blood Locust

(Same rating as a Genestealer)

[upper canopy]

releases this on an ork planet

[floral herald]

now you're thinking with Inquisitorial authority

[upper canopy]

Smoking on a bong so big it requires two serfs to hold and committing acts of biological warfare that would make Kryptman blush

[floral herald]

smoking on those tubes which make you consider your mortality

[thin ibex]

anyone have some general advice for basing models in an urban environmnent?

i got like a the army painter basing kit, but none of it seems really good for my purposes

[pastel rampart]

There's a couple of ways to do it, but a big one is to decide what kind of urban environment and how you'll broadly want to depict it.

The most bare-bones tried-and-true way is grey rubble. Sand + chunks of cut sprue glued down, primed black, and drybrushed various grey paints. You can spice it up with some rebar (bent chunks of paperclips), wiring, pipes, spent ammo casings, skulls, torn posters, etc. Adding some brown in the recesses adds some depth.