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[rocky shale]

Go look at the price for warlocks

[bold halo]

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Evlyn Moreau (@evlynmoreau.bsky.social)

First time ever I am tempted to collect Necrons:

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Bluesky · Apr 11, 2025, 3:52 PM

[floral herald]

You know, I now realize we should have expected primaris vehicles a long time ago

[pulsar cairn]

they phasing out the non primaris ones? Or just extra stuff?

[floral herald]

Just similar design stuff

Extraneous guns everywhere

[tired cairn]

Maybe the Primaris stuff would look more reasonable if some of the gun density was on Sponsons instead of just on the top

[rocky shale]

Wait is this real?

[floral herald]

Yeah old official model

[rocky shale]

Oh not new

[floral herald]

Land Raider… ultima I think?

Yeah it’s from 4e

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Land_Raider_Terminus_Ultra

Aha

Directly from the space wolf school of anti-armor design

[tired cairn]

lol at Primaris vehicles having hunter-slayer missiles instead of hunter-killer ones

[deft crest]

You wanna hear bad cost per model?

Dog units are like

5 for 60

You want fleshhounds???

120 for one full unit

You want fenrisian wolves? 42$ last i checked. And they are weaker than wet tissuepaper.

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah it sucks

Makes the kroot hound memes even more funny

[tardy wren]

For custodes should I prime gold or prime black then prime gold, or do i just hand paint the gold on primed black

[rocky shale]

All of those work

[pastel rampart]

Prime gold is the easiest, though if you miss some spots you need to either go over it with the primer again or a matching gold paint.

[jaunty dawn]

Id prime black then gold probly

But not worry as much with getting full coverage with the black

[pastel rampart]

Back in the day, when gold paint had poor coverage, the trick was to cover the area first in a brown color first. Usually tan. Probably overkill nowadays but potentially useful.

[pale narwhal]

Brown then gold is still solid but most paints don’t need it

[pastel rampart]

A real big brain move is to prime with something like purple, red, or green and then hit it with gold zenithal style.

[empty siren]

Idk why but I bought some necromunda models

Don't even play necromunda but I thought it looked cool as fuck

Why is Warhammer so expensive but so cool. And why must I buy cool things 😔

[tardy wren]

I've never done zenithal before. Is it hard?

[pastel rampart]

Not a bit.

The most basic way to do it is to prime it black all over, then hit it directly overhead with white.

Some people go with a lighter grey at a 45-degree angle, which is the "proper" way to do it, but it's a bit up to taste and the specific way you want to do the model. It can of course be done with any set of colors, not just black-grey-white.

[tardy wren]

I mostly just want a brilliant golden god custodes hahaha

But okay, glad to know

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgJqjIMd6k8 This is more advanced but I think you can kinda get the fundamentals of zenithal with gold.

A very important thing to keep in mind with gold especially is depth. You want the recesses to be darker than the lightest point so it makes those light points really shine.

[tardy wren]

Ooo, ty

[soft willow]

Honestly true for most metallics when you really want to get them looking good.

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, just that with gold it's really telling. You can get a dirty metal color with Leadbelcher and Nuln Oil, bam done looks good, but if you want gold to look really good you want to put in that effort.

[west zealot]

Kroak, younger days

I do love that Kroak 's lore included "made the universe lag" and "decided to stop being dead." Not escaped the afterlife, not resurrected, etc .. just went "oh, it's all a bit tits up currently. Right. Better get back to life and sort that. Chill with you reality?"
Reality: thumbs up

[paper bluff]

I would love a meme of an extremely pissed off Negash just absolutely mean mugging a rather please looking Kroak

[thin ibex]

kroak also casually rearranged the stars

[paper bluff]

This but negash and kroak

[finite compass]

Closest I can offer is

No Kroak, but it does have Angry Nagash!

[sour sequoia]

Babby’s first GT tomorrow

We got Colin Kay coming up to bumfuck nowhere and a buncha folks from Denver, so I’m not expecting anything above 2-4lol

[desert jay]

I believe in you, you might get a 3-3

[soft willow]

Have fun and enjoy the event

Winning is nice but a day of games is good even without it

[sour sequoia]

Two days, in fact

It should be pretty good either way everybody around here been bustin ass to get it set up

There is at least with the current set of strats that seem popular a whole lot of factions I can usually grind out on necrons

Struggle most into guard and marines vehiclespam, death guard & daemons was rough until very recently

[soft willow]

Knights not included in that vehicle spam problem for you?

[sour sequoia]

Honestly not really

At least not any knights players I’ve fought around here

So few bodies that I can usually play for scoring into knights and killing just a few puts them out, compared to guard and marines who get so much shit and any random piece of it still wipes out arks and ctan shards

T9 on your main battle tank is Rough it turns out, even if it has an invuln

[mental birch]

10e killed that

[quaint compass]

Man they literally had a perfect system for the drones in the character joining a unit mechanics

[jaunty dawn]

Not really,,, itd be kinda jank like the wolf guard pack leaders

Drones arent really independent characters

[mental birch]

Drones are jank

[junior robin]

I hunger for more of the old mechanicus terrain, wonder if my FLGS got something from it gathering dust.

started on this bridge/barricade today

[quaint compass]

Glue 🤤

[quaint compass]

Meant more that you could set up a system where the drones would become the unit's bodyguard

[jaunty dawn]

That also sounds kinda jank but then like Admiral said that might be unavoidable regardless of system haha

[quaint compass]

there's gonna be jank either way one spins drones in the current system

Life's about picking your favorite type of jank

[jaunty dawn]

True enough!

[quaint compass]

My one issue with the system I suggested is that some drones aren't about taking hits but supplementing firepower, and being forced to lose them to stray fire will feel shit. Especially on units like broadsides who like their missiles.

[thin ibex]

Drones do have, like lore wise, savior protocols, they'll take hits for living tau regardless of their role

[quaint compass]

Yeah, in 9th (when I played a bit) it was still something you could choose rather than being mandatory

Do believe that the specific Savior Protocols stratagem allowed you to use any drone in range to take the hit instead of just your attached drone

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHN1hQZ-VA8

[empty siren]

I'm in love with Tau ugh

Big shooty Battlesuits

So cool

[thin ibex]

i wanna try running a stormsurge at some point

even though it doesnt synergize well

[empty siren]

It's a storm surge

Who cares if it don't synergize it's AWESOME

Mfw wasting 400 pts for the rule of cool

[thin ibex]

tau nar is one i also wanna try running but also struggle to justify lol

[empty siren]

https://tenor.com/view/zoolander-zoolander-movie-movie-zoolander-ben-stiller-benstiller-gif-12169139201078736959

[empty siren]

The justification. Is that. Its. Bad. Ass

I wish it had more guns tho

[floral herald]

What isn't synergistic about the stormsurge?

Is it like inefficient to spot for or something?

[thin ibex]

the volume of weapons at different strengths but beign spotted for makes split firing not good

so you have to focus every gun on one target

or not hav to

but its incentivized

[empty siren]

It feels weird to me

The wargear options

Like, I'd like if there were huge fucking machine gun options. Or lots of missiles. Or low attack plasma weapons

But it feels a little all over the place

It would've been nice to have those kinds of options to specialize into. High damage for elite or vehicles. High volume of fire for anti infantry. Missiles for a little mix of both

But I'm not like a game balancing genius. I literally just want big guns

[mild glen]

Basically, it's too much gun.

[thin ibex]

It's mostly because it was built to be able to engage everything, which it should be able to do at that cost tbh

It's alpha strike ability was a bit nuts back in the day as well because of the destroyer missiles

[jaunty dawn]

Weapon system means it ignores the split fire penalty right?

It feels like the issue with 10e FTGG is more about negative play experiences than significant mechanical downsides haha

[thin ibex]

I forget, I know the spot penalty is bs rather than to hit iirc

[jaunty dawn]

Oh right

Yeah that would do it rip

Me when I make a sensible wargame; ‘there should be two different types of hit bonus/maluses so we can get around our own anti-stacking rule and make it unintuitive to tell if an ability affects something or not’

[pastel rampart]

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Bluesky · Apr 12, 2025, 12:58 PM

[past sphinx]

anybody take a shot of deleting the primaris knee rondel thing?

as such?

maybe even

[unreal cosmos]

I've definitely seen people shave the flange off at least

there are some Mk7 conversions out there

The above is also present in some of the more recent "mixed armor" models

I genuinely don't know why so many people seem to take issue with the kneecaps but eh

[pastel rampart]

Paint tiny hazard stripes on the flange.

Or checkerboard.

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-free-real-estate-eyebrow-gif-13024071

[past sphinx]

fiddly lookin for me

like it gets in the way

like picatinny on a bolter ya kno

[paper bluff]

Drill holes and put ball bearings in there

[past sphinx]

thats part of the plan

[unreal cosmos]

I don't exactly know but I guess that's just the difference in perspectives

[rocky shale]

Why strike teams over breachers? The extra 6" in that detachment makes them really scary

[sour sequoia]

Believing in the you that believes in me, one more win and we're 3-3

[desert jay]

Oh are you 2-1 so far?

[sour sequoia]

first game into Grey Knights, pulled it out on a solid bring it down turn and Hypercrypt's ability to just take secret missions.

Second game into Death Guard, got obliterated pretty quickly, bad target priority. Morty is undersold lol

Third game into Plague Legion daemons, very stupid game that I somehow managed to grind out. I really do not like plague legion even as I won, lol.

It turns out Nurgle Daemons get to be necrons and tyranids now, better than either of those two armies really do their main army rule

[floral herald]

What's the thing they do?

I haven't been tracking daemons that closely

[sour sequoia]

9" shadow of the warp aura on every single nurgle unit and then just a bunch of ways to keep forcing battle shock rolls at stacking penalties

so the game very quickly becomes "I don't actually have stratagems anymore, everybody's dying, and belakor is now thicker than ctan shards"

[floral herald]

ahh ok

Kind of exciting to me that a battleshock detachment feels that strong

[sour sequoia]

Oh yeah super neat

why isn't it in tyranids

[sour sequoia]

There’s also a strat for d3 battleline model resurrection now, so nurglings are the most obnoxious shit on earth

[thin ibex]

Vibes mostly, Pulse carbine gets no love in proper lists and 2 storm surges are a meme so why not

[runic swallow]

“Sorry guys, I caught a whiff of the Depression Mist, I think I’m gonna sit this one out”

[desert jay]

Relatable

[sour sequoia]

My salt aside, picking up 2k points of GSC for like $500 tomorrow and can hopefully play something more engaging than necrons soon

I think a lot of my beef has to do with ending up in a currently very siloed/static faction

[rocky shale]

Being siloed and static is unfortunately lore accurate

[sour sequoia]

Look I'll take that if we get lore accurate killing power and toughness again

[dense idol]

i've realised that now i've actually accrued enough funny plastic skeletons from ebay dumpster-diving for a 2k list

so i'm trying to bang something out

Char1: 1x Orikan the Diviner (80 pts): Warlord, Staff of Tomorrow
Char2: 1x Chronomancer (65 pts): Chronomancer's stave
Char3: 1x Chronomancer (65 pts): Chronomancer's stave
Char4: 1x Overlord (85 pts): Overlord's blade, Tachyon arrow
Char5: 1x Overlord (85 pts): Overlord's blade, Tachyon arrow
Char6: 1x Overlord (85 pts): Overlord's blade, Tachyon arrow
Char7: 1x Royal Warden (50 pts): Close combat weapon, Relic gauss blaster
Char8: 1x Skorpekh Lord (80 pts): Enmitic annihilator, Flensing claw, Hyperphase harvester

10x Immortals (150 pts): 10 with Close combat weapon, Gauss blaster
10x Necron Warriors (90 pts): 10 with Close combat weapon, Gauss flayer
10x Necron Warriors (90 pts): 10 with Close combat weapon, Gauss flayer
10x Necron Warriors (90 pts): 10 with Close combat weapon, Gauss flayer

5x Triarch Praetorians (100 pts): 5 with Rod of covenant
3x Canoptek Scarab Swarms (40 pts): 3 with Feeder mandibles
3x Canoptek Scarab Swarms (40 pts): 3 with Feeder mandibles
3x Canoptek Scarab Swarms (40 pts): 3 with Feeder mandibles
1x Lokhust Heavy Destroyers (55 pts): Close combat weapon, Enmitic exterminator
1x Canoptek Doomstalker (145 pts): Doomsday blaster, Doomstalker limbs, Twin gauss flayer
1x Canoptek Reanimator (75 pts): 2x Atomiser beam, Reanimator's claws
1x Canoptek Reanimator (75 pts): 2x Atomiser beam, Reanimator's claws
2x Canoptek Spyders (150 pts): 2x Automaton claws```

there's 85 points left over to work with, but the other units i have don't fit nicely into that number

i haven't touched individual loadouts yet, and there's a certain level of unavoidable jank here because of the aforementioned restrictions of dumpster-diving

[thin ibex]

Hey its something

[dense idol]

complete non-sequitur: can any rules lawyers help me understand the difference between these two boarding actions enhancements?

[sour sequoia]

I’d look at pickin up a hexmark whenever you get a chance, or a second skorpekh lord from kitbashes or whatnot

Because skorpekhs are so so so big base, I usually see people have most success running units of 3 with a lord. Shouldn’t be hard to eBay either of those

The jankiest part of this is really actually running tachyons, I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone do that. Godspeed

[dense idol]

i haven't touch any of the individual equipment loadouts yet, tachyon arrows were the default

[jaunty dawn]

The second might be intended to let you open doors mid move or something idk

[dense idol]

i feel like it would be phrased differently if mid-movement operations were the intention

[jaunty dawn]

It requires one to account for the bad rules writing factor, yeah

[dense idol]

the former is a generic enhancement available to all patrols and the latter is specific to the space marines boarding strike detachment

that could be the intention

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah, exactly, which means really the only other possibility is they just forgot that the generic enhancement exists which is also kinda believable

[dense idol]

i'll go with "operate hatchway at any point in movement" being the intention

[sour sequoia]

Tourney day 2 baby lets see if I can’t bring WR to 50/50

May get a bye cuz a bunch of denver guys dropped from sound of it after realizing they weren’t gonna win #1

But like… Colin Kay is here obliterating a random Montana tourney anybody else probably wasn’t getting #1

[jaunty dawn]

Good luck!!!!!!!

Dropping feels so shitty

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5g-ahQMRV4 Hmmm

[empty siren]

I just heard an insult to the Tau while watching a battle report

We are just a letter and a switch from being called tuna

Tauna

😔

[tired cairn]

You can tune a sonic cannon, but you can't tauna devilfish

[thin ibex]

Something I'm glad about is the warhammer people on this server don't seem to have the vestigial sentiments that I see in the wider community about Tau and the lingering feeling of them being "OP" and/or refusing to play against them

[tired cairn]

It's pretty silly to hold a grudge that long

[thin ibex]

And yet some do. There are folk out there who feel the same about the votann too, because of their launch

[sour sequoia]

It’s basically chud code to be mad about tau who haven’t been a true problem for a long long time

So you kick the chuds and the sentiment vanishes

[tired cairn]

have you told them to try playing with the most recent rules

[floral herald]

I think if you are a 3rd ed die hard you have things to be madder about than Tau 2bh

[pastel rampart]

Like Blood Angels turn-1 assault and sweeping advance through half your army.

Or how Orks are a fucking joke lmao

[tired cairn]

But they are a joke :V

[pastel rampart]

In 3rd they were a joke against the Ork player because they quite frankly sucked.

[wintry mist]

Jreg what are you up to?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKgIxMPWAP4

[rocky shale]

Wow he's still making political compass crap

[sour sequoia]

Alright I can fuck around in round 5, we’ll be at least 3-2

[wintry mist]

it does the rounds

[sour sequoia]

5th round bye 🫠 but that makes me 3-1 into some ostensibly horrific matchups

[desert jay]

Hell yeah

[past sphinx]

Damn i gotta learn to sculpt beards

[uneven ember]

I'm not sure "everybody gets eaten by space-bugs" really counts as a left-wing ideology

[floral herald]

Honestly it's a great prism to show how shit the political compass is

[uneven ember]

not really sure that "the biggest guy is in charge" does either

[uneven ember]

yeah fair

[floral herald]

Tyranids are actually in the yellow quadrant because they're all free to act in the way they think is best but they all agree with the hive mind

[desert jay]

It's a meritocracy and the merit in question is physical size. No games, no tricks

[floral herald]

Megalocracy

[desert jay]

Also in the Ork command structure, being bigger actually does make you a better commander

[upper canopy]

Ork command structure is built around the idea that being bigger does actually mean you are better at whatever job it is you are doing

Because it is

[thin ibex]

They do also have that genetic knowledge thing going for them

[quaint compass]

More body = more genetics = more knowledge

[desert jay]

War of The Beast as a HH expansion/sequel game would be so funny if it means The Beast gets a model

B/c he's said to be 10 meters tall plus armor

[empty siren]

Blegh. I shoulda taken breaks because some of the cutting and gluing is really shit but I finished the rest of my Shadowsun, Coldstar, and my Strikers

Rather than doing all burst cannons on the Coldstar because I didn't have the weapons for that, I did high output, a burst cannon, and ion blaster (I really like the ion blaster) Equipped also with a weapon support system because shooty and I wanna hit my shooty

[pulsar cairn]

Considering every faction is scary to fight

As a guardsman at least

Which one of the losers are the lucky losers? (Losers cause they are in the guard )

[past sphinx]

thats why you bring the baneblade

worst case you get to play with a baneblade and they dont and that a morale victory if ive ever heard one

[pale narwhal]

Lorewise tau, probably

Will accept surrender, will treat prisoners well

[pulsar cairn]

Yeah makes sense

[pale narwhal]

Even aeldari don’t tend to take prisoners

And other factions you don’t really want to be captured by (chaos, gsc, drukhari)

[desert jay]

GSC I think you might have a better chance than what the Inquisition does to POWs

[sour sequoia]

Heavily variable by cult most likely

[past sphinx]

update : i cann sculpt beards

[pale narwhal]

Daaamn that’s sick

[white mural]

Got these for 10 dollars at my local games stores bizzzare bizar

And a unit of deff koptas for my little bro for cheap

[thin ibex]

the blur with the photo makes this looks like an intense zoom

Man i really like deff koptas

wait, was the dakkajet insane in more dakka?

[past sphinx]

well it is a flyer

[thin ibex]

ohh its infantry and walkers

dakkajet gets nothng

[sour sequoia]

GW is strongly opposed to good flyers after 6th and 7th

[past sphinx]

dont forget eldar flyers in 8th

[white mural]

I really hope my little brother gets good use out of them he plays a lot more than me

Coulda bought him 2 units but 20 dollars is a lot of money

Great deal but I can’t afford every great deal

[uneven ember]

"oh no not the GSC induction oh anything but that >_>"

[white mural]

What’s that?

Oh the genestealers kiss?

[upper canopy]

https://youtu.be/tGr5ZBawDeU?si=w32TK_r3AGqXrWod

[paper bluff]

he'd be the size of a stompa or m/gorkanaut

[pastel rampart]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/v5kqzgnr/strike-from-the-skies-with-new-and-improved-space-marine-drop-pods/

[tired cairn]

Now big enough to hold Primaris marines

The footprint seems pretty large? I feel like it would have been more practical if they changed the lore so the doors blow off instead (and so you build it doors on or off while having a smaller footprint)

[pastel rampart]

Permanently-opened doors makes transporting more of an issue.

Oh you had a custom-cut foam container for it? lol

[tired cairn]

Oh, yeah that too lol

Actually using it too deepstrike somewhere useful is going to be a PITA if it needs to fit between terrain and result in your troops being more than 9" away from someone lol

[floral herald]

Hah they have tactical rocks now

[tired cairn]

Primaris Lieutenant drop pods

At least they are optional rocks

I like when GW does that, though I wish they were more consistent about it

[pastel rampart]

Supposedly being easier to build is nice, the old kit was a fucking nightmare.

[empty siren]

Would the Tau and Eldari ever work together??

[sour sequoia]

Frequently

I think for major xenos they have the best relation

[empty siren]

Oh really???

[sour sequoia]

But its also variable by craftworld and eldar have their own Greater Good foreseen in the distant future etc etc and they don’t particularly feel the need to explain themselves

So sometimes you get raided by eldar

[empty siren]

I was just thinking of my army lore

Tau renegade fleet going off to fight some Necrons who pissed them off because vengeance

[upper canopy]

It's something you could do without anyone really batting an eye

[still warren]

There's some old lore about the Tau not knowing the differences between elder and dark eldar but that's really the only conflict between them that I can think of off the top of my head

[tired cairn]

They seems impossible to believe given the dress code differences

and there can't be that many Dark Eldar willing to commit a fashion faux pas to trick some xenos

[mental birch]

A menace in 7e

[empty siren]

Yippee

I was thinking of doing a slight Eldari paint scheme for my Tau

Or having some Eldari markings on their armor as such a sign of respect and admiration of the Eldari

[past sphinx]

Feels like he's missing something

[empty siren]

Ngl I think it'd be neat if my Tau army was marked as traitors for assisting in a fight against the Necrons because of a misunderstanding. Think it'd be funny if they assisted some Harlequins. Like all the high command heard was, "We're working with some of those pointy ear guys who wear black."

[pastel rampart]

Some sort of decorative trim on the bottom of the cape, and a rune or something on the opposite grieve.

[solemn gull]

I like your sword scheme

[empty siren]

Some wear on the armour?

[past sphinx]

Going for a more 3rd edition vibe, less grimdark more heavy metal

[past sphinx]

You know that double axe transfer from knights fits nicely thete

god I want to grim the shit outta these boys

But that ain't the intent of this exercise

[tired cairn]

Having recently learnt about traction alopecia (hair loss from hair being tightly pulled in one direction), do you think part of the bargain CSM make with the chaos gods is to make their top knots immune to this problem?

( and only very elite Imperium members like Sisters in Silence and Custodes are given the medical treatment to combat this)

... though given how many models/images have top knots but the rest of the head shaved, maybe it's all wigs.

Where does all this hair come from?

[thin ibex]

I think the Eldar also see the Tau as naive and volatile. They have a better opinion of them than the Imperium, but I don't think the Eldar forget their characteristic arrogance

[junior robin]

looted hair squigs, next question.

[tired cairn]

Tau are almost certainly more reliable partners than the Imperium

Eldar are probably more reliable partners but you have to be really careful about what exactly they are saying lol

[thin ibex]

I just don't think Aeldar generally see Tau as allies, like anyone else they are a means to an end

And I don't think Eldar are readily choosing to work with Tau as a normality

Aeldari and Ethereal conversations must be funny

[tired cairn]

Oh, yeah of course. That's how they see everyone who isn't another Eldar. But like "you won't want to inevitably betray me as a matter of course" probably makes the times when they do feel the need to work with the tau a bit smoother

[thin ibex]

Tau, of course, see Aeldari as future members of the Tau Empire

[tired cairn]

Yeah

Though I expect conflict between the two to be somewhat rare just because Tau don't have that much of a galactic presence (even though it's a lot more now)

Did the wormhole disaster put tau on what is now the dark side of the big rift?

[tired cairn]

The tongue and pose is giving me lizard vibes

... why is the ranged variant called the maulerfiend. That's not how mauling works!

[floral herald]

The ranged variety is the Forgefiend

Maulerfiend is the melee one

[tired cairn]

Oh, Google failed me. I'm glad all is right in the world then

[unreal cosmos]

I always forget how big these guys are

[past sphinx]

are stormspeeders any good?

[jaunty dawn]

How much bigger are these actually

[pastel rampart]

No clue but probably not by much, the existing drop pods are tall and wide as it is.

It's just the annoyance factor of them fixing the rules/LoS issue while also making them take up more real estate.

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah guesstimating I dont think they are bigger

But definitely harder to transport than ones you can close

But this looks to be about the same height vs the primaris

Just interior changes mostly

[pastel rampart]

Yeah. Now if they built it to where the fancy base is separate from the taller portions you could finagle easier transportation.

[jaunty dawn]

You might be able to tbf

Depends how it goes together

They did say the rocks are seperate

Or leave off-able

[pastel rampart]

I'd wait to see the sprues first, but yeah possible.

[jaunty dawn]

The thing I find kinda interesting is the fact that they dropped an article about the land raider today too

[pastel rampart]

Might mean the doors are attached to the pod still, which does raise some other issues.

[past sphinx]

updated rules should finally let you crush enemys with drop pods 🗿

[pale narwhal]

They’re updating it?

[pastel rampart]

Fists drop pods have molded versions of their chapter symbol on the bottom specifically so they can say they punched the enemy.

[runic swallow]

I loved how the termite drill used to let you deep strike onto enemies and kill them, you put down a pie plate to represent the big ol’ hole it made and everything

[empty siren]

There is a rule like that for models in AOS

Stormcast Annihilators

But I totally agree. The drop pod should just let you deepstrike on top of a unit with like, a roll to make it somewhat fair

Id love to be able to drop a drop pod on like a Baneblade that'd be funny. Like helldivers lol

I was wondering. Would a Fireknives unit be worth it?? I play Kauyon Tau and I'm looking at them like, maybe. If I give em exemplar of Kauyon I get Patient Hunter BR2 which would be nice. All plasma rifles, being able to reroll hits of 1 or the hitrolls if the enemy is at full strength

[jaunty dawn]

No but I do think one could form a conspiracy about a baseline space marine transport being updated and a celebration of land raider history another baseline space marine transport coming the same day

[empty siren]

Or all missiles! Sustained hits 2 missiles and possibly lethal hits if guided by a unit with Through Unity Devastation

I just decided

All missiles fireknives. All burst cannon Starscythes. All meltas sunforgers. All fusion blaster Coldstar, all burst cannon Coldstar, all missiles enforcer. Bang boom done

[thin ibex]

Fireknife are the generalist pick, they're generally pretty decent, and the missiles are good for general purpose. The plasma are if you want to use them to pop terminators or some such

you could run that set up in experimental weaponry too lol

[empty siren]

Got my anti tank, anti infantry, and my boys who widdle down the enemy a bit to soften em up for BR3

I was thinking all missiles because damage 2 is nice. Downside, two less ap and one less str from the plasma cannons. But. Because I play casually. I'll just tell my friend what they're actually running if I wanna switch it up

I'm trynna maximize my chances for sustained hits 2, which is why I'm doing more attack weapons then the higher damage low attacks. Because if I throw 44 attacks at you with sustained hits 2 and hitting on 3s or 2s. Good chance I deal more damage than something with like, less than half that number

I'm not worried about wound rolls because I got some support for that

[thin ibex]

for me, the plasma limitation is its range; the missile crises can hang back as much as they like

[empty siren]

Yeah that's why I'm thinking missiles too

That's why I chose enforcer equipped with examplar to get the patient hunter BR2

Start widdling down the opponents bigger guys and taking out high threats or people trying to rush midboard. I'd have good range and be able to support my battleline or something. Plus the enforcer for the better saves

[junior summit]

https://bsky.app/profile/dragoncobolt.bsky.social/post/3lms6sy2swk2x

Dragon Cobolt (@dragoncobolt.bsky.social)

In desperation to cement his shakey interstellar alliance, Roboute Guilliman starts printing big THIS IS AN ELDAR HE FIGHTS FOR YOUR FREEDOM posters

Bluesky · Apr 14, 2025, 6:26 PM

[still warren]

Now imagining the racist Chinese vs Japanese know the difference posters but for eldar and dark eldar

[white mural]

Vulture and nest for my benefictus’ staff

[hard whale]

They actually did do that

https://i.redd.it/zgh8b770i7m61.jpg

but yeah, they need to update it to include Ynarri as soon as they find fourth synonyms for each bullet point

[pulsar cairn]

i wonder

do drukhari know how to bring people back to life?

i imagine they would do that to you if they could just to torment you for longer

[hard whale]

Their medical tech is really good, so it could definitely look like necromancy. But I don't know if it's literal necromancy

[pulsar cairn]

i see

[hard whale]

Actually I'm looking it up now and Urien Rakarth literally regenerates from death. So it's possible!

[white mural]

Both! Can’t let the taint escape

[pulsar cairn]

well that means that if they want you as a slave they are probably getting you then

[jaunty dawn]

Oh 40k also has a rakarth? Wild

[pulsar cairn]

and i imagine they are very petty

[past sphinx]

The escher can bring people back from death why not the elves

[floral herald]

Fantasy has a rakarth?

[pulsar cairn]

what are the escher?

[past sphinx]

The big women

[pulsar cairn]

the assasin looking ones with long hair?

[past sphinx]

Chemical masters of necromunda

[jaunty dawn]

Sisterhood of chemysts

[past sphinx]

Little sorcery little alchemy

[jaunty dawn]

Also a deposed noble house

[jaunty dawn]

Hes like the character beastmaster

I only know this from tww haha

[floral herald]

huh

[tired cairn]

"if you see all of the above working together, it may be Ynarri"

[uneven ember]

I can't remember what it was from but I distinctly remember some bit of fluff where Eldar and T'au interactions were hampered by the T'au's insistence that the Eldar should be signing up with the Greater Good, which naturally the elves did not appreciate
but broadly, Eldar and T'au have no specific reason not to work together and share a lot of enemies so there's plenty of opportunities for an alliance
unless the T'au are colonizing a Maiden World, or the Eldar are going through a piracy phase, or a Farseer have decided that they need to attack the T'au because of something that's going to happen in a few hundred years

[uneven ember]

& Drukhari can definitely bring each other back to life, easy-peasy
as long as most of you gets tossed back into the City a Haemonculus can have you back on your feet in no time
he'll be collecting part of your soul as part of his fee but it's not like you were using that to begin with, don't even worry about it

[west zealot]

Sister's hair care routine is both extensive and expensive.

Also the phase you go through as an apprentice when you've got your head shaved but your tail is just a little rat thing poking up? Real embarrassing

[west zealot]

The saying everything 3 times is a great bit

[tired cairn]

How long does it take Slaanash to eat Eldar souls, sheesh

Maybe you just get a new soul when you get resurrected

[west zealot]

So it's unclear. The haemoculus claim "no more than 24 hours".

This is a fucking lie - but the longer since death, the more likely Bad Weird Warp Shit happens

[tired cairn]

Haemonculus: "Ugh, I hate when they wait so long that I only get a half-digested soul back"

[junior robin]

finally, navigator skull primaris lieutenant

[tepid stratus]

Idk looks kinda Sigmar to me

[floral herald]

New Helbrecht?

Based on the similarity to the older skull of the cacodominus upgrade sprue

Ok probably not

Model is 2 years old lmao

[junior robin]

clearly its mounted on the model for the black templars primarch, Steve

[paper bluff]

Yeah. Though that rumor engine skull is mounted in a very similar way

Do templars have an upgrade sprue?

[thin ibex]

wait helbrecht uses a giant chainsword?

[floral herald]

They do, I think it might be where the current skull is from

[floral herald]

Big power sword

The pic I linked is someone’s kitbash but it has the cacodominus skull on it

It’s from their upgrade sprue iirc

[upper canopy]

They're actually doing an official GW model run of our deathwatch party I used all my TTS Good Boy points to make it super hyper canon

[floral herald]

Noice

[empty siren]

Fuck it

3 Starscythes, all burst cannons led by a Coldstar with high output burst cannon and 3 burst cannons

48 attacks each unit, sustained hits 2 because I want an hour long shooting phase

Only 615 pts :3

[upper canopy]

I will say it's really funny how there's a genuine non-zero chance that my desire to write a short where the Dark Eldar get beaten up somehow cascaded to there being a new Sly Marbo model

[empty siren]

There's something so funny about dropping in 3 units and just spending 30 minutes resolving their attacks 😭

144 attacks mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[thin ibex]

I'm a big fan of brrt. However they don't exactly drop enemy armor with any level of efficiency. Montka lethals can help, as can bonus AP from retaliation

[empty siren]

If one of em is guided by a unit with Through Unity Devastation

One unit get sustained hits 2, +1 BS, and lethal hits

[empty siren]

That's why I run 3 broadsides😎

900pts, 3 broadside units each with 3 models

I went against a knight player. It was painful. I now hate knights. I will now destroy every knight I fucking see. I will destroy them all

Three units each with 3 model. 3 sunforgers. 3 hammerheads for funsees

(I'm not making this army irl, but I wanna see how it'd work against knights on TTS)

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ0cOFKpto4

I hate how much this is a "no duh" moment.

[rocky shale]

Is it just electrical tape?

[pastel rampart]

It...it's in the title.

[rocky shale]

Oh wow

I can't read haha

The tape roll looked like electrical tape

I'm not even gonna delete that message, I need to live in shame forever

[pastel rampart]

Electrical tape is usually black.

[rocky shale]

I have colors of electrical tape you couldn't even dream of

[empty siren]

https://tenor.com/view/game-of-thrones-shame-ringing-bell-walk-of-shame-gif-13316112511080767236

[paper bluff]

Maybe new sprue for primaris templars then

[sour sequoia]

When I was still doing regular escrima, fancy electrical tape was actual prestige lmao I believe you

[past sphinx]

WVLF

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/794249775511240705/1361774851009810663/Utopiandesertedprecocious_37a073_12426469.mov?ex=67fffb29&is=67fea9a9&hm=f38dedeac1637903c84be17269960996640c5c5f2fcded52321796e303904c9c&

[brittle salmon]

fuck that's too accurate

[past sphinx]

missing them

mad hes to short to ride

[runic swallow]

Classic scouts tend to have oddly toad-like faces

[uneven ember]

now we have this dude

nice haircut; did your Initiate cut it for you?

[still warren]

he's peasant maxing, used to live on an agri-world

[floral herald]

more 👏 space 👏 marines 👏 with 👏 horrible 👏 haircuts

[thin ibex]

We're also missing more horribly disfigured space marines

Get these square jawed, cheekbone having handsome marines out of here

Give me scarred up, bionic using, tube having space marines

[floral herald]

The Masters of the Chapter kit was pretty good for this

Some of my favorite space marines aesthetically

A couple of them might be generic captains actually I'm not 100% sure

[upper bluff]

The buzzcut mohawk is the classic crap hairstyle for space marines

No one is looking good with that

[floral herald]

I like it because it’s ugly and martial and fits under a helmet

[thin ibex]

I think people can look good with the mini hawk

[upper bluff]

I'm sure people can but these space marines are not owning it

[floral herald]

I agree

[upper bluff]

(It's probably just the texture of the models that makes it look weird to me)

[floral herald]

I think space marine fashion also kind of embraces ugliness

Maybe that’s a headcanon

But like, I can easily see a sort of brutal living war machine aesthetic being how space marines want to look

[thin ibex]

Stupidest idea, the mini hawk fits into the the helmet

[floral herald]

Yeah definitely agree

It’s not quite a pet peeve but I like styles which reflect that space marines will be in a tight fitting vacuum sealed helmet a lot of the time

[pulsar cairn]

That looks silly

[sour sequoia]

Fully assembled is bold I subassembled it base and guy and spear arm

🫡

Have fun tho, wicked fun model to paint

[past sphinx]

Helmet?

[paper bluff]

Not actually tho

[sour sequoia]

SICK

good moves

[paper bluff]

With them being on there I can still reach the base easily

[past sphinx]

I didn't realize the void dragon arrived at the function double cheeked up

[sonic hare]

what's the point of caging the power of a star god in living metal if the ass don't clap

[quaint compass]

The necrodermis buckles under the shard's power

[empty siren]

Comically large bolter doesn't exist it won't hurt you. Comically large bolter:

[past sphinx]

Heavier bolter

[empty siren]

That's a bohlta

[pastel rampart]

There's something about the plastic scouts from that era that just never worked for me.

I think it was their comically large heads.

[past sphinx]

Their just a little wonk

[empty siren]

Hey. Leave Phil alone

See you hurt his feelings :(

[pastel rampart]

https://azazelx.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/20190511_131243.jpg But then I think the metal ones were great sculpts.

[empty siren]

He looks like a hunchback

That bead placement and his shoulder are just wrong it disturbs me the more I look at it 😭😭😭

[past sphinx]

I have the old metal shotgun scout somewhere, ought to paint him

[pastel rampart]

I've been slowly grabbing the metal scouts as I find'em for a fair/cheap price.

Managed to snag 4 snipers and 1 ccw sarge the other day.

The shotgun ones are a little harder to find outside of singles but I do want 10 of them for the funny "infiltrate and then unload a double dose of slugs."

http://www.solegends.com/citcat1998/1998P329-00.jpg

Oddly enough I have the heavy bolter but not the model holding it. No clue where that came from.

[jaunty dawn]

I wonder if the impulsor is meant to be the land speeder storm of primaris

I mean I would love a stormspeeder storm but yeah

Like speed > armour, favored by 10th company

Actually kinda funny that everyone was like “scouts in carapace armour! Makes no sense” and then vanguard came out and its all like “too tacticool! What was wrong with scouts!”

Obviously these were actually two different groups of people but rhetorically its funny to put it that way

[floral herald]

It better be called exactly that too

[jaunty dawn]

I will also accept stormspeeder land

Also theres a post rn in r/warhammercompetitive titled “what is uppy/downy” and I had a fun time explaining to my partner what thats all about. They found it hilarious

[thin ibex]

land speeder? Nah, stormspeeder? nah. Speed Stormlander. Yeah

Land SpeedStormer

[empty siren]

Just realized

Stealthsuits aren't as great as I thought they were

For guiding units I mean

It's only reroll a hitroll and a wound roll of 1, not wound rolls and hitrolls of 1. So only one reroll right? 😔

[thin ibex]

negative,

[rocky shale]

It should be 1s to hit AND 1s to wound

[past sphinx]

Reckon wolves will get another reveal when their box comes up. Like an epic hero or something?

Refreshed ulrik or lukas

[thin ibex]

"each time a ranged attack is made" so for every ranged attack you reroll any hit and wound rolls of 1

[empty siren]

YAAAY SO THEY ARE GOOD

[thin ibex]

yup, they show up on every single tau list pretty much

ive never seen one without stealth suits

[empty siren]

YAAAAAAY

Now I wanna run 3 Starscythes all burst cannons☺️

Led by Coldstar with high output burst cannons and three burst cannons

Mmmm 144 attacks, sustained hits 2, reroll hits and wound rolls of 1🤤

[rocky shale]

Unfortunately on a S5 AP-1 gun

Wait how are you getting to 144 attacks?

3 stsrscythes each get 2 burst cannons + 6 shots for gun drones which is only 30 shots

[rocky shale]

Coldstar gives another 20 shots from 3 burst cannons + high output so that's only 50

[empty siren]

Oh right I forgot to explain

I think my math is just dogshit tho because am silly :3

[rocky shale]

RIP

[empty siren]

My math was in fact wrong.

3 coldstars, each with High output and 3 burst cannons. 20 attacks.

60 from coldstars alone.

3 Starscythes unit, each unit contains 3 models, each model is equipped with 2 burst cannons so 8 attacks a model.

8*9=72
+60
132 attacks

Idk where I got 144

I might've added an extra high output and an extra burst cannon. Huh...

132 attacks for only 615pts tho

[empty siren]

Not too bad tho. 132 ain't bad at all imo. Just remember tho, sustained hits 2 if they're guided on top of ignore cover and +1BS

[rocky shale]

Oh so you meant 3 units of 3 suits, each with a coldstar?

[empty siren]

Yer, sorry I shoulda specified

[rocky shale]

615pts of chaff killing is a bit much unless your local meta is like all horde armies

[empty siren]

You don't need a Coldstar. Enforcers work too

I just thought it was funny to run all burst cannons lol

[rocky shale]

Oh it is funny

The gun profile is just kinda bad

[empty siren]

With enough bullet. I will destroy the enemy

[rocky shale]

As long as it isn't a vehicle

T11 2+ save just doesn't take damage

Or even like wraithguard

Anything that makes you wound on 5s (so T6+)

[mild glen]

It's fairly easy to turn all the boolet into Lethal hits.

[rocky shale]

That helps with the wounding

Any decent armor saves still ruins your day

Not that chaff clearing is bad, just that many points of it is a little much outside of the funny value

[thin ibex]

Question whats the recommended bring for a taurox prime? Battle Cannon, missiles, or gatling? I get the sense that missiles is the best generalist bring

but BC seems pretty good as a generalist pick too

[tepid stratus]

Gatling is the best option now that it has dev wounds and high volume of shots

[thin ibex]

nice, thoughts on the other two?

just like a mechanical as well as vibes assessement

[wet grotto]

did you get it from the gun drones?

[empty siren]

Probably

[tepid stratus]

Battle cannon feels very underwhelming. Missile launcher is good but a real feels bad when you miss the krak shot

[past sphinx]

they should errata warhammer like this

[west zealot]

I still like when he's "I think the governor is evil" and Amberly is just "yes, everyone got that already, we knew"

And then the eldar orbital drop an avatar of Khaine on a demon princess

[remote wharf]

That goes hard

[hardy harness]

Possibly a stupid question, but does Rogue Trader support Ogryn PCs?

I know it has Orks, which could probably feasibly be reflavored into Ogryns?

[storm schooner]

I think an Ogryn would be better supported using the mutation rules for extreme strength but with a negative to intelligence or something

[hardy harness]

Hm, true

[jaunty dawn]

Only war must have some kind of rules for playing ogryns right

Should be adaptable

[rocky shale]

It does

[thin ibex]

kinda feel like the catachan and cadian heavy weapons teams should have had access to different heavy weapons

especially since the krieg one does

[jaunty dawn]

Weapon teams are the coolest shit

But yeah models first innit

[past sphinx]

Who knows cadians might get a pass over

[tired cairn]

It would have been overall worse for the world, but better for 40k if GW didn't lose that one lawsuit lol

[uneven ember]

I just feel like we fundamentally lost something when GW stopped including things that were all but saying "use your historicals for these guys, duh"

[tired cairn]

Yeah, totally. But that's probably because GW focused on being a miniature company over a game rules company

[jaunty dawn]

tbf like

in that universe there probably shouldn't be seperate catachan and cadian weapon team profile in the first place haha

and the krieg one probably wouldn't exist in its current form

[empty siren]

Holy shit I need a Ta'unar Supremacy Armour Model :0

I don't CARE how much money it is. I NEED this fucking GOOBER. ITS WEAPONS ARE SO COOK WHAT THE FUCK

Just a casual 4 burst cannons, fusion eradicator, 4 pulse ordnance drivers, 4 smart missile systems and a tri-axis ion cannon. THE WEAPON STATS ARE SILLY WHAT THE FUCK 😭 I need it!

[rocky shale]

For 800 points I would honestly expect more tbh

The heavy rail cannon is funny tho

Flat 16 damage

Needing to get this slow thing within 12" melta range is hilarious

[mental birch]

Montka

Scout 6 auto advance 6

And adsualy

Assault

[upper bluff]

To be fair I assume the melta was added by some Tau engineers who noted how often "charge directly at the giant robot" was the enemy strategy

[thin ibex]

isnt it 3 pulse ordnance rather than 4?

it is VERY efficient at slaughtering infantry if you go with pulse ordnance

wierdly i feel like the nexus launcher is the better generalist pick

but i would take the mega rail every time for the memes

its so weird to me to bring like the biggest possible thing specifically kitted to slaughter infantry

[empty siren]

I shoulda ran it against the knight player lmfao

On table top sim because expensive lol

But I love it. Run two and a storm surge with Montka or experimental lmfao

Or a ton of broadsides instead of a storm surge 😭

[paper bluff]

As a knight player, I would never play against an optimal Tau list. I know that it's a loosing bet

[rocky shale]

WE codex leaked lol

[soft willow]

I am undefeated in (local) tournament play with Knights, except against Tau.

https://tenor.com/view/scared-heavy-creepy-sir-space-cow-gif-19500873

[thin ibex]

Tau have, even into 10th, always been pretty good at focus targeting centerpieces/special toys. Knights are JUST special toys

[soft willow]

They have the ability to rip up both big knights and armigers while keeping relatively safe.

It's very difficult to deal with as a Knights player.

[thin ibex]

im guessing youre somewhat reliant on the tau player making a miscalc or a single round of bad rolls to really capitalize as a knights player?

[soft willow]

Those help, otherwise it’s the one army list you have to play a way more cagey game against.

You have to bait them into committing poorly

Mysterious Guardian helps a ton

[thin ibex]

Is it weird that the hammerhead feels like a glass cannon but in my head the broadside isn't?

For some reason my broadsides have historically been able to eat a lot of pain

[empty siren]

I heard in 9th they just say fuck you to invul saves

[empty siren]

Broadside does have a FNP 4+

[thin ibex]

Against mortals

Which doesn't come up SUPER often

[empty siren]

Oooh right...

[jaunty dawn]

I think it came up in my game

cause

[empty siren]

Yeah they def a glass cannom

[jaunty dawn]

both my knights exploded when they died

[empty siren]

I love them tho

They're so awesome

[thin ibex]

Still good, it came up for me due to the explosion thing too lol

[jaunty dawn]

and then I rolled no lower than 5 for each unit haha

including my own

[thin ibex]

Shot a maulerfiend to death at point blank and it sploded

[empty siren]

I think Tau are just a clean design ngl

They don't feel clunky or have too many tiny parts like csm....I hated that about some units. The spikes would just break off and the model would look like shit

[thin ibex]

I enjoy both. But part of my maining tau does have to do with the clean lines

[empty siren]

The reason I'm maining Tau is because I'm tired of being shot off the board by the guard player or eaten alive by the stinky Deathguard player

[thin ibex]

I enjoy space wolves festooned in gribblies but I also enjoy Tau segmented armor plates

To be fair, those two problems are still very real for Tau lol

[empty siren]

So I decided. Fuck it. I will be the one shooting people off the board. And then I just fell in love with their design and playstyle and shooting capabilities

[thin ibex]

Guard are a stronger stand and shoot list than the Tau, generally, and death guard are very dangerous if they get to you

Luckily you're fast

[empty siren]

Also ignoring modifiers to hit is nice

Even with bonuses to saves, the ap capability of some Tau weapons puts people to invuls or relying on FNPs

Weapons that usually have low ap seem to have good attacks or good damage. Tau seem to struggle with wounding, less so hitting

I was struggling to wound my first game, but that's cause it was against knights so

[thin ibex]

Tau on average have good weapon strength and lack mid grade AP. Usually it's either str 5 or str 5 billion. Missiles not withstanding

[empty siren]

I gotta go. I also tried to shorten my massive wall of texts my apologies for that lol

[thin ibex]

Like str 5 ap 0 or strength gazillion Ap Yes

For those of you who may be about to well technically me, yes I'm aware of the missiles, plasma, fusion, and ion guns, yes.

[rocky shale]

Tau is more of a movement army than it is shooting imo

It's just waaaaay more shooty than it is melee

[thin ibex]

Good shooting, not the best shooting, but excellent positing play, which can mean sometimes better shooting

[empty siren]

They may not be the definitive shooty army

But they are pretty decent

[thin ibex]

Can someone tell me which novels the custodian valerian comes from?

[frail jacinth]

watchers of the throne and regent’s shadow

late reply my bad

i think there might be one called ‘emperor’s legion’ or something but that might’ve been a tagline/subtitle

[desert jay]

Apparently the WE codex leaked, no full scans in the wild but a lot of details are out there

Including summaries of all the detachments, incl. strats and enhancements

[brittle salmon]

Any tl;dr on how they're shaping up?

[sour sequoia]

20 man zerkers

[brittle salmon]

didn't they already do that

[desert jay]

Uhh... all five codex detachments look juicy, a little less mobility in the army rule, no index units removed

[floral herald]

do they get daemons?

[desert jay]

Yeah, Skarbrand, Bloodthirster, Bloodletters, Bloodcrushers, Flesh Hounds, and a daemon detachment

[floral herald]

not a bad list

[runic swallow]

Bloodcrushers are the Demon-Rhino rider, right?

[uneven ember]

yes

[runic swallow]

So many Blood[verb] units lol

[floral herald]

Names for the names god, variety for the erudite throne

~Khorne worshipper, never ever

[desert jay]

Also y'know what's funny? Chaos Daemons index got an update when EC was coming out but still has this

[floral herald]

Fulgrim Lucius BTFO

[desert jay]

This means that EC can take eg. a pack of Bloodthirsters and a Skull Cannon, but TSons can't

(As long as your warlord isn't Lucius)

[floral herald]

Oh nevermind

Fulgrim BTFI

[thin ibex]

Updated skarbrand is cool

I wonder if you can field Angron and Skarbrand at the same time

Khorne and Space Wolves
Blood 🤝 Wolf

[runic swallow]

It’d be very funny to run a list of “God’s Adopted Son,” “God’s Favorite Son,” and “God’s Least Favorite Son”

[thin ibex]

Kabanda has no rules rn right?

[runic swallow]

Oh he doesn’t?

[thin ibex]

Might have Legends rules but no updated

[floral herald]

When did Ka'Bandha have rules?

[jaunty dawn]

I think the worst is baneblade variants

In terms of clarity

[runic swallow]

I may have been thinking of An’ggrath

Who I’m not sure if he has rules or not

But I’d meant Angron, An’ggrath, and Skarbrand

[floral herald]

An’ggrath has legends rules it looks like

[runic swallow]

Also, I just love how funny classic GW names are he’s literally just “Anger Wrath”

[floral herald]

lol

[runic swallow]

We need more dumb names in 40k

[floral herald]

(googled to make sure I wasn't messing up the spelling)

[runic swallow]

Yeah he’s a respected concert pianist, he’s not just one thing /j

[floral herald]

Huh, I think Ka'bandha has never ever had rules

I didn't expect that

[runic swallow]

I know the name, but can’t remember what his whole deal was

Oh wait was he the guy Sanguinius fought?

[floral herald]

yeah

He was also involved with the Tyranid attack on Baal

[runic swallow]

Does he have 30k rules?

[floral herald]

not in 2e as far as I can tell

Maybe he did in 1e

He's got a model though so he probably does

[empty siren]

Ngl I want a Ta'unar Supremacy Armour Model so bad I'm just contemplating saving for a 3d printer and searching for the STL or whatever it's called

[jaunty dawn]

No he does

Its on warcom

Hes pretty cool

https://assets.warhammer-community.com/horusheresy_additionalrules_ka'bandha_eng_24.09-qn4rwnyoca.pdf

[floral herald]

Ah

My simple method of namesearching on waha failed

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah it doesnt have demons and cults etc

Just the three ish main books looks like. No inductii, exemplary battle units, etc

[empty siren]

It feels asking people if they have Harlequin transfer sheets when I'm playing Tau 😭

I've asked a few people I know and some of the discords in my city

I wanna make Harlequin inspired Tau

May it not be painful to do that checkered pattern they got🫡 God speed me

[sour sequoia]

Micron pens

Do it with pens, tau surfaces should be pretty conducive

[empty siren]

I thought you said something completely different lmfao

What's a micro pen tho?

Pen but smol?

[sour sequoia]

Micron is a unit of measurement, it basically means tiny ink pens. Here’s what I do on my 40mm base ogres with a 02 and 03

[empty siren]

Oooooh that's sick

[desert jay]

There's also those pattern stamp things

[thin ibex]

Microns are effectively extremely fine pointed markets

Markers

[desert jay]

For stamps, if you're just doing checkerboards then you can probably just find patterns made for nail painting

[thin ibex]

Also just realizing I should have done squad markings in microns

Instead of trying to paint little bitty marks

[mental birch]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-good-gewd-star-wars-episode-3-gif-15386400457909814305

[paper bluff]

Re: world eaters, i heard we lost the feel no pain and we have to be a "counter attack" army

Less survivability but more offical movement

[deft crest]

I talked about it in my LGS server, But if this is the kinda shit to look foward to when deamons get maybe squatted into the legions books

Wow its sucks

The daemon specific one only allows 1000 points towards daemon models.

And kinda sucks anyway

I am growing resentful of World Eaters if i have to share a book with them in the future

Like they are suffering too but ugggghh

A dog can't simply just enjoy putting angry buff demons on the field anymore, now I have to worry if any of these models will even be seen at the same time in the next few updates.

-# GW I haven't forgotten that you Legends'd Karanak and I don't believe you when you said it was a mistake. I think you were trying to pull something and only called it a mistake in the backlash

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah its really weird they arent just a full part of the army

[deft crest]

Its a shame because like, I don't hate world eaters! I like the red and brass! They are just different shaped oldworld khorne mortals which rules but like

*I DON'T WANNA * HAVE TO RUN THEM

[paper bluff]

We're missing the more likely GW option, demons will still have a codex, AND they will be in godsworn codexs and you'll need codes from both

[brittle salmon]

probably lol

[deft crest]

I don't trust them to even do that tbh. Like it would be nice to trust them to just be greedy but they've just been weird about their shit

At the end of the day its fine, my fixation is Killteam and it feels like the devteam there isn't being futzd with

[floral herald]

This is kinda what I’m guessing it’ll be like

[sour sequoia]

Full daemon armies are still largely a thing in AoS at least, if I’m guessing at anything it’s that this is a soft launch of that

GW trying to toe the line of ‘corporate loves soup, everybody who plays hates soup’ but current state of daemons is kinda soup to begin with

[thin ibex]

wouldve been better as a Khorne book than a World Eater's book feat. Daemons

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah

[thin ibex]

i do feel like monogod has a lot of a personality but most often lacks the roster depth to allow for like... differing strategies

a lot of like chaos daemons for any god kinda gets reduced to "more greater daemons plz"

its a bit funny that the tau are one of the only factions that are constantly improving their tech; but also their crisis suits and hammerheads have stayed largely the same for like 200 years

[upper bluff]

I mean could you imagine the backlash if they pulled a primaris with crisis suits

even if firstborn crisis suits stayed legal and the 2.0 ones had new datasheets that would be crazy

(anyways they should release crisis suit 2.0 so that the pricing can get fixed)

[thin ibex]

oh yeah no people would riot, they're also xenos so they get much less frequent model updates

its just funny that its a big disconnect with their lore about rapid progress

gw would have to like release range refreshes/new models every edition pretty much

[upper bluff]

its all just internal progress, the Tau decided that the aesthetics peaked 200 years ago

[jaunty dawn]

I just want crisis suits that are just less fancy versions of the commander suit

How the heck they’re contemporary designs I have no idea

[thin ibex]

id like it if shadowsuns experimental suit that was made on the outset of like the 3rd sphere, was put into standard production for a new unit

[desert jay]

I thought it was the other way around

[tired cairn]

GW definitely hates inter-game overlap right now (which I find baffling, but maybe it is downstream of how rewards are handed out)

I think people considered... 7th (?) edition super soup to be bad?

[jaunty dawn]

And 8th edition

7th edition was ally based soup

8th edition started with you can take literally anything that shared a metafaction soup, then became detachment based soup, then space marines 2 -> 9th edition was like No Soup! Bad!

To put it another way, 7th edition was taudar, 8e indexhammer was dark times, 8e codexes was loyal 32 and cultist spam with big knights and smashcaptains

The dark times are hard to describe cause it was also pre rule of three and detachments gave you cp as a reward for spamming rather than actually limiting force org so you could look at the entire imperium two books and take literally everything good as many times as you wanted regardless of faction

[desert jay]

Though the rule of three has issues too w/ current rosters, because it's really limited when you have one kind of eg. tank and not every limiting when you have seven kinds of tank

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah for sure

[desert jay]

8e/9e detachments were probably pretty workable if you ditched the CP incentive structure

If you just did "pick 2 (or w/e) buckets to throw units into, yes you can run out of slots"

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah I thought it a fun bit

Also basically how conmal detachments work haha

[sour sequoia]

GW wants everybody buying every model possible but they want clear visibility about what game is driving purchases

The imperium soup is their greatest brainchild

[finite compass]

Why do you think they cut Beasts of Chaos from AoS?

Because they were adding them back to Old World

And GW will be damned if you have an army tht can be used in two games

You'll spend $600 dollars for your entry fee for every game and you'll like it, pleb.

[jaunty dawn]

by all accounts they dont even care about that

they just wanna force their teams to deathmatch each other

out of some kinda weird philosophy of corporate darwinism

[wide veldt]

im officialy getting into warhammer

or at least learning how 10e works

[tardy vault]

play AoS instead!

it sucks, but in entirely new (and cheaper!) ways

[wide veldt]

40k is the one my pals are into so

:p

[floral herald]

That is the most important consideration basically yeah

The best one is the one you can play easily

[paper bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/i-feel-for-you-charles-haden-savage-steve-martin-only-murders-in-the-building-i'm-sorry-to-hear-that-gif-6183378802443862525

[wide veldt]

not getting into it in the sense of buying anything yet

other than the codexs which

i bought

with money

[pastel rampart]

fucking SCORE OF THE CENTURY just now

Dude is willing to sell me five classic rhinos for $5 a pop.

[wide veldt]

fuck yeah dude

also wow i kinda can't believe votann haven't gotten a codex yet good lord

[pastel rampart]

They got chaos stuff on'em but easy enough to pop off and repurpose.

[paper bluff]

I KNOW

[pastel rampart]

LoV have no codex and no new units since release.

Like I know xenos get the short end of the stick in terms of release but like...they JUST came out a couple years ago. Maybe push them a bit more?

[jaunty dawn]

Theyve had not jaegers

Yaigirs?

Had two kill teams pretty quickly

[pastel rampart]

Oh, yeah the kill teams.

[jaunty dawn]

Plus with the big content drop orientation where new stuff comes with a codex its not really that weird

Compared to stuff like

Thousand sons

[pastel rampart]

But...where's the walker. Give'em a giant dread-like thing with a drill arm.

[sour sequoia]

I evidently missed the massive expansion of the game end of 7th into 8th, I'm curious abt the introductions receptions - I would guess GW is just leery now after like.

Tau release; everybody fucking hates tau
Grey Knights release; everybody fucking hates specialest top secret psyker supermarines

[jaunty dawn]

It is funny though that the necromunda team went like extremely into their space dorfs

Votann had a really bad introduction mechanically but I dont think people really care anymore already. They have dedicated fans and they just groove along really

[sour sequoia]

But Votann is also like... gift to the oldheads and returning of squats

so I'm surprised they're not just doing More Oldhead Gifts

[jaunty dawn]

(Also arguably cult mech which were introduced in 7th and have since then gotten one character, another character but only cause of a board game, and are only just now getting a kill team)

Oldhead gifts are just more of a spread around thing than a go hard on thing apparently

But yeah it is frustrating

Cause really a faction needs like, 3 waves to really feel full

But theyve (re) introduced two factions an edition for like over ten years haha

Feel like over the course of 10th theres been so many big waves though. Kroot, primaris angelwolves, aspect warriors

Krieg

[thin ibex]

I do think that votann has a pretty well rounded roster, though I'm still mad at their special weapons having short ranges for no reason

Aside from them being short

There's stuff I'd like for sure, but there's no glaring holes in their options. Just no big alternatives either

[jaunty dawn]

I think the jaegers helped a lot yeah

[uneven ember]

Back in my day you only got to play daemons if you had a unit with a summoning icon on the field

Except for Daemon Princes, of course

And the Greater Daemons who would randomly possess one of your squad leaders

[pastel rampart]

Yeah but back then you had to make sure models could all fit on a large blast template.

[wide veldt]

The thing I’m weirded out about, reading some of the books I got

As someone who just read a bunch of 3rd and 5th edition books my uncle gave me when I was a teen

What’s with them replacing the generic IG troops with squads from specific worlds

I mean I guess the Cadian ones are the baselines but it still strikes me as really weird lol

[floral herald]

Models first rules design basically

[wide veldt]

Mmmm

Did I pick a bad time to get into 40k or something :p

[floral herald]

No it’s a pretty good time

[jaunty dawn]

As weird as it is under the current game design it offers a greater degree of customisation than the alternative

Just like. Ignore the name of the unit haha

Weird kinda compromise thing

[wide veldt]

Ah

Makes sense

Was just one of those things where I was like “hey wait up”

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah for sure

[wide veldt]

It makes sense tho, especially for Chadians it’s not like they have any like

Defining characteristics

Lmao

A cadian unit is The Guard

[mental birch]

I need kharadron tough melee unit

Pls

[pulsar cairn]

Do ya think clan pestilence actually work for nurgle in secret or they just stole his stuff?

[mental birch]

Stole

[desert jay]

Yeah, surprised they updated Coteaz instead of Eisenhorn

[wide veldt]

LMAO HAZAROUS WEAPONS JUST INSTAKILLING GUYS

[desert jay]

AFAICT, this sort of low-level grumbling has been going on for 3 decades

[floral herald]

Archeotech meme incoming

[sonic hare]

not looking at it will save you btw

[wide veldt]

Votann, Necrons, mechanicus, IG, genestealers, daemons
are the factions im interested in that my group isnt already playing

[floral herald]

Hmm, any considerations there?

I’ll note that Genestealer Cults and Imperial Guard have some model commonality

Which is rare

[sonic hare]

my vote is for necrons and I'm not biased at all

[soft willow]

If you don't play Votann that's a grudging.

[wide veldt]

IG is my classic, Genestealers are neat but I’ve heard aren’t in a great place, I don’t know much about Daemons but they’re cool and they don’t have to field chaos marines (I don’t love space marines aesthetically)
Necrons are neat and I wanna make a custom group of them that are mostly cool guys
Votann are neat
I love Mechancius aesthetically

[desert jay]

AIUI, GSC are good enough in the hands of experienced players, but take a bit to get a handle on, and are on the pricier end to collect

[brittle salmon]

GSC took 2nd place at Adepticon boss

Don't let anyone tell you they're not great

[rocky shale]

Rhinos are free the government doesn't want you to know this

[desert jay]

Vintage Rhinos might be worth at least 5 bucks though

[rocky shale]

Daemons have a very solid index but are confirmed not getting a codex this edition

GSC are fine but lots of their players complain because they were S-tier at the start of the edition. Pricy to buy into at msrp unless you can find the old combat patrol tho

Admech are also pricy for points

[desert jay]

IG is also kinda pricy outside of vehicles

[wide veldt]

im not

[rocky shale]

Any horde faction is too

Being pricy isn't a reason not to play a faction necessarily but it is worth considering if you're tight on hobby budget

[wide veldt]

ultra worried about price

[rocky shale]

Admech is pretty atrocious on certain units and fine on others

Like the chicken walkers are criminal

Like $50 for 50 points or so

Votann is kinda marines but different aesthetic and small range

[sour sequoia]

Worst MSRP armies to collect in order is Guard, AdMech, GSC, Nids

If you like em do em anywaus

[pastel rampart]

Oh they're worth like $40 minimum on ebay, at least on average. So I'm getting the fuckin' deal of a lifetime.

[sour sequoia]

You really need to love the aesthetics of any army you pick because you’ll stare at em a lot

[desert jay]

Drukhari is also on the list unless you cheat (using transport kits for more infantry guys)

[sour sequoia]

As far as mechanics, you can learn anything, and the game’s a steep learning curve as-is.

[wide veldt]

im not super worried about msrp

[pastel rampart]

Best MSRP is orks if you don't give a shit what your vehicles are originally made of.

[sour sequoia]

GSC are gonna be probably the hardest but they’re very, very good once you realize your game which is being a little piece of shit all day because 90% of any pitched battles are gonna be a loss for you

[rocky shale]

With drukhari you can just buy 3 combat patrols and have most of an army lol

[sour sequoia]

Guard and AdMech can like. Always point some pretty spicy guns and then sometimes melee at things

[rocky shale]

What melee does guard have?

[sour sequoia]

Necrons are in a good spot right now much as I bitch and moan in here, their detachments are just siloed

[rocky shale]

Ogryns I guess?

[sour sequoia]

Attilans, kriegponies, ogryns, taaaaank shoooooock

[rocky shale]

Admech definitely has some melee but most guard I run into is suuuuper shooty

Oh yeah horses

[sour sequoia]

Guard is the last true Gunline

[rocky shale]

Tank shock doesn't count lol

Everyone can do that

Horse spam is funny

Brood brothers is kinda bad but you can play IG units in GSC

[sour sequoia]

Everyone can but guard can frequently make better use of it with the sheer amount of vehicles they can bring

[wide veldt]

Are tau not a gun line anymore?

[rocky shale]

Tau are a shooty movement tricks army

[sour sequoia]

Tau is a lot of high quality shooting tricks, but they're primarily a movement and scoring faction right now

broadsides and hammerheads and breachers still do it like they always have, crisis suits are scary scary deep strikers, etc.

but by and large, "I sit at my end of the map and shit death" doesn't exist anymore beyond certain guard comps, for better or for worse

[rocky shale]

They kill things by shooting but win by being fast

[wide veldt]

I’m a big fan of artillery but idk if 40k is still big on that lol

[rocky shale]

Artillery is very prominent in guard but it's not particularly strong

[sour sequoia]

indirect fire was busted start of 10th but it's been pretty domesitcated

guard guns are glorious, the indirect fire artillery not so much

[rocky shale]

I have played against arty spam guard and it's really not that scary unless you have really squishy back line support

[sour sequoia]

Eldar loathes it, idk who else really since t3 isn’t exactly a baseline anymore

[rocky shale]

Even in eldar it wasn't toooo bad

The quality of shooting is just so bad when you're hitting on like 5+ and have low ap

[wide veldt]

What’re Necrons like

Gameplay wise

[rocky shale]

Slooooow unless hyper crypt then teleporting everywhere

[sour sequoia]

Durability tricks. Lots of scoring potential, some movement tricks, mostly durability tricks to trade up/out-attrition things, killing is actually kinda bad across most of the faction and concentrated on a few things

[rocky shale]

Everything regens, lots of leaders and buff stacking

[sour sequoia]

(Ctan, Skorpekhs, Immortals, Doomsday Arks)

[rocky shale]

Shooting into a warrior blob with leaders just feels horrible because nothing dies then they just regen

[sour sequoia]

The Full Warrior Blob and the Full Wraith Blob are the toughest units in the game, Ctan are the toughest models in the game

[rocky shale]

Can are really tough unless the opponent has ways to avoid the half damage then they explode instantly

[wide veldt]

….. aren’t ctan like

Gods

Am I thinking of the right thing?

[rocky shale]

They're ctan shards

[wide veldt]

(I’m more familiar with the lore than the actual game)

[rocky shale]

Pet ctan out for a walk

[sour sequoia]

Nightbringer is a 305pt 40mm base that picks up Angron, outlasts him and half his army, moving 6” per turn

The actual best ways to kill ctan shards is to drown in chaff

Throw grenades, tank shock, ten billion lasgun

[rocky shale]

Detachments that get ignores modifier strats or melta also both shred them

Since melta applies after halving

[wide veldt]

Guard is looking p tempting lol

[sour sequoia]

So there’s a few really weird things with modifiers that I’m actually not certain people read right, AIUI the only thing that turns off necrodermis is Mortarion because he’s got unique wording atm

But melta works just fine yeah

[wide veldt]

How do Admech play? I love them aesthetically but know v little mechanically

(I’m also interested in imperial agents but I’ve heard their list is real not good)

[rocky shale]

I believe this strat also works

[rocky shale]

Agents is super jank but peak wierd little dudes

I love agents but they do need a lot of help

[sour sequoia]

Yeah that’ll do it

[sour sequoia]

How much do you love kill team

[wide veldt]

Ive heard it’s neat!

[sour sequoia]

Imperial Agents is GW making sure every kill team is playable in mainline 40k and no real care beyond that atm

[rocky shale]

Agents players are all insanely dedicated to making it work

[wide veldt]

lmao

Also

I have to ask

Can IG still be lent like

[sour sequoia]

It’s like. One guy total has 5-0’d a tournament

[wide veldt]

Imperial assassins

[rocky shale]

People were playing index agents when it had no detschments at all

[rocky shale]

Yes

[wide veldt]

Hehehehe

Hehehehehehhee

I like the assassins a lot

[rocky shale]

IA does get a whole "make assassin's better" detschment which is actually one of the better ones

2-3/4 are totally viable

The anti psyker one is meh but IA has an army rule that lets you swap assassins before the game starts

It's thier only army rule 😦

[wide veldt]

Oh god

I assume imperial agents are who random kill teams like navy breachers go to

[rocky shale]

Yep

The most common agents lists are huge piles of riot shield cops (surprisingly tough) and navy breachers (hilarious deployment shenanigans) to basically just make the board impossible to navigate while they score

Your heavy hitters are immolators from the sisters, Grey knight terminators, and deathwatch veterans in rhinos

Oh and armigers

You can take armigers and redeploy them because they're battleline technically

[rocky shale]

At 2k points every imperium army can take up to 2 IA units with the retinue keyword, 2 characters, and 1 requisitioned unit (deathwatch, gk terminators, or sisters)

[desert jay]

That's not their army rule, just an assassin's unit rule. Their army rule is "can join other armies"

(And they also have an army rule for handling mixed-composition DW kill teams but the only teams it applies to are legends)