Warhammer and Such

[past sphinx]

Gun.

[grand vigil]

What gun? Because all I see is the Skull Head weapon they have

[past sphinx]

The wizard brain gun also works as a gun

[floral herald]

The animus specularum works ok on anything with a soul but they’re also just lethal martial artists

[runic swallow]

Iirc the Skull Head Weapon also has pretty debilitating effects on non-psykers

[floral herald]

So those who resist the brain cannon catch these hands

[past sphinx]

Culuxus are notably selected for properly vicious bastards

[west zealot]

Blanks are actively nasty for anyone non blank to be near. Culexus are drawn from the high end of blankness, and their equipment enhances the blank effect.

They aren't quite a soulsless black hole in human form, but

[thin ibex]

For normal people they're vaguely and consistently unpleasant to be around, for a psyker it's actively painful

[runic swallow]

It’s a scale, from “bit odd” to “aura of unpleasantness” to “utter disgust, get them away from me at all costs”

[west zealot]

Ye, like Jurgen is in the "Aura of unpleasentness'.

the blanke-queen's aura was so strong she was almost literally invisible to people

[grand vigil]

So what happens if a non psykers gets hit with the skull gun

[runic swallow]

You still get major brain damage iirc, it just does turbo brain damage to psykers

[desert jay]

It’s sorta like the “getting shot through the heart with a wood crossbow bolt also kills non-vampires” situation

[past sphinx]

The holy hammer o' heretic smashing drives nails well to

[pale narwhal]

Very much the same way. It’s effective on non/psykers too (though not quite as much)

There’s an anecdote in the old campaign book Warzone Damocles: Mont’ka about how a culexus killing Aun’Va, the t’au empire supreme leader, by just walking into the command center and getting him with the eye weapon- his honour guard were too disoriented by his blank aura to stop the culexus in time (previously an Eversor, Vindicare, and a Callidus all failed)

[paper bluff]

Anecdote?

[paper bluff]

Funny thing about her is that she would have absolutely known what big E really looked like

Also it would seem with Training, one just gets used to being around blanks

Non-psykers that is

[thin ibex]

I forget, from the Inquisitor books, was Distaff all blanks?

[empty siren]

Man I love Pathfinders

They can be a spotting unit twice. And because I'm going Kauyon, that means I can get sustained hits 2, ignore cover, and +1 BS to whomever they're guiding which is SICK

I'm going high enough firepower, but enough strength and AP to make saves difficult. I wanna be able to put bullets down range to get sustained hits 2 reliably

Imma prolly get two more units of them because of that spot ability and because they might be a high priority target

[pulsar cairn]

That guy's a blank right?

[empty siren]

Tau is

An army I'm already in love with

[thin ibex]

pathfinders are great for an efficiency pick, the stealth team is a much more effective

[empty siren]

I'll check their datasheet rq

I remember my LGS having them in stock before

[thin ibex]

sorry didnt finish my statement

the stealth team is better for focused use

the pathfinder covers more ground

something to think about is the pathfinders are fragile

so you lose a lot of spotting when they drop

[empty siren]

OOOOH

Stealthsuits are sick :O

Reroll hits and wounds of 1 is great

[thin ibex]

stealth teams are great for when you have a shooting platform you want to perform well

[empty siren]

That's why I plan on putting 1-2 in the back, supported by a broadside in case of deepstrikes and that scary long range capability

[thin ibex]

pathfinders i think are great for irl army building

because they are real useful at low levels for spotting value, and still good at higher level beyond like top competetive play

they dont show up iirc all that much competetively

[empty siren]

Yeah they're like 52 or so bucks for a unit of 10+3 drones

[thin ibex]

also they're just cool tbh

[empty siren]

Yeah I plan to play casually

[empty siren]

THEY ARE

Their railrifles are SICK

[thin ibex]

is the pack you see the kill team btw?

[empty siren]

That's why I love Tau

[thin ibex]

or yo usaw

[empty siren]

The Pathfinder box as in the base box

The Killteam box is like 74 bucks for the same amount of models but with punchout tokens

[thin ibex]

ahh i see

it does come with much more unique models

[empty siren]

And I don't wanna pay an extra 30 bucks for cardboard punch out

I might grab one if they look even cooler than normal Pathfinders

[thin ibex]

but also 30 bucks is a good deal of difference

[empty siren]

Give them custom lore

Is this a good army name for what I plan btw

"The Eyes of the Hurricane." I chose it specifically because of that one Hamilton song and I was like. Sounds cool

[thin ibex]

the KT vs the normal box

I do like the pathfinder helmets

[empty siren]

Ewwww

Fish faces

I'm kidding. I do like the base box though

Those poses are unique

[thin ibex]

i like the gamer pathfinder (the drone controller)

[empty siren]

Oh my god I didn't even see that😭

The Tau are bringing gamers into the Greater Good this cannot end well for them

[thin ibex]

I think eye of the hurricane sounds fun

My cadre i called Mirrored Lightning

[empty siren]

Imagine getting rail shot off the map and the mother fucker who did it unironically calls himself XxF1shD4ddy69xX

[empty siren]

It does! Calm before the storm. Round 3, and all of the sudden like several units of Battlesuits are dropping into your backboard, mid board, and every Pathfinder is sprinting up the map to provide them ignore cover, their hit rolls can ignore any and all modifiers, sustained hits 2, and +1 Ballistic Skill

[empty siren]

Love that, that's sick

[thin ibex]

the lore I wrote up for my army is that they're an expansion cadre of the 5th sphere i think from Sacea, the commander is sympathetic to Farsight, but not outright in favor. They're urban combat specialists and have been fighting in hives for so long that they further specialized in hive fighting

they're whole shtick is like... tired cadre commander is tired and has to continue peacekeeping as the tau empire brings a hive into compliance and up to empire standards

[empty siren]

The lore i have got mine is basic so far. They wear purple armour because of tradition reasons, and ended up fighting the orcs. And because they already specialized in sabotage, stealth, and surgical strikes, the orcs just believed that it was the purple armour making win

I'm going for goofy army lore

[sour sequoia]

Stealth suits spotting broadsides is how you lock in and kill god

[jaunty dawn]

Pathfinders are an awesome kit

[thin ibex]

my scheme is currently silver and purple with orange accents

silver armor, purple secondary color/cloth

orange squad markings

[empty siren]

YES TRUE

I'll send the stealth suits up to secure like secondaries and be sneaky fuckers

[sour sequoia]

I’d be protective of them but they are indeed good for flanking or scoring

[thin ibex]

in my experience, your opponent wants to kil the shit out of your stealth suits, and often they'll end up with only their shas'vre left alive

[sour sequoia]

No real defenses besides stealth and above avg wounds for a unit their size when you really only care abt spotting on em

[empty siren]

True....then the plan is to deepstrike them and rapid ingress them when necessary

[thin ibex]

frequently my stealthsuits are somewhat priority targets for my enemy

[empty siren]

Like, being the replacement for the Pathfinders who are pushing mid board and spotting for my boys coming out of deepstrike

Pathfinders out, stealth in. Destroy the enemy :)

Keeping my stealthsuits alive to be spotters and making it difficult to deepstrike on my backboard, spotting for my broadside mmm perfection

Oh you know what'd be nice for my pathfinders

Oh nvm there's no unnamed character who can lead them :(

I was gonna say unity through devastation to give the unit they spot for lethal hits

[thin ibex]

nope, no generic stealthsuit characters and no generic pathfinder leaders

[empty siren]

What the fuck are the Tau on

Ah 50pts for +1 attacks characteristics and Crit wounds have -3ap for its weapon. One attack sure but damn that's nice when it procs

Also that gives your dudes 20 attacks with just rifles, not including your pistols😭. You're guaranteed to hit a sustained hit or two in a barrage of 40+3 bullets (turret)

God this is the army I was meant for

"but they're weak." but when they're actually doing what they do and you're idk, playing them effectively so they don't die off rip. They're devastating

Quite literally. Skill issue if you die turn one

[empty siren]

Oh well. But pathfinders doooo have a leader :)

Oh and he has anti deepstrike aura omfg🤤

[thin ibex]

if you have a cadre + breachers + devilfish still around by round 3

kauyon makes for catastrophic combo

sus hits 2 for breacher volleys

[empty siren]

Beautiful

Tau are so much fun wtf were people trynna deter me

Idc about the price. Shut up and take my money

I want cool robots and brutally efficient shooting and a gameplay style that requires cohesion and a group effort between your whole army

[sour sequoia]

Honestly if you’re not going to spam forgeworld stuff (and tau dont need to) their price is Fine

[empty siren]

It requires thinking I LOVE THINKING

[empty siren]

I can also

Buy used

Because chances are

People will sell their Tau stuff when 11fh rolls around and they nuke Tau again

[sour sequoia]

The armies that just kinda get fucked on $$$ is like, Nids GSC Guard Custodes Mechanicus

[empty siren]

But me? I'm still gonna play 10th with my homies if we all agree 11th is dog ass

[empty siren]

So true

I think buying used is also good

[thin ibex]

People are trying to deter you prolly cause they dont like tau for whatever reason, but if you vibe with em then you vibe with em

[empty siren]

I don't necessarily like GW and avoiding giving them money while supporting those in the hobby or those who wanna leave, is more morally right for me

[empty siren]

I vibe with them HARD. It's like a hurricane of vibes rn

[sour sequoia]

GW is wacky and somehow largely fine these days beyond the general capitalism but. I support not supporting GW the model of purchase sucks ass rn

[thin ibex]

They are not, however, a faction that handily interact with every phase and are a bit of a speedy shenanigans faction rather than an outright shooting faction (which is what people still think of them as)

[empty siren]

Not really a boycott. Just me preferring the cheaper alternative and also supporting my fellow hobbyists

[thin ibex]

but i main em so

like

obviously i like em

[empty siren]

Oh for sure

That's why I like thinking though

[thin ibex]

just gotta learn to play em, pretty much

[empty siren]

It's more engaging then shoot phase pass turn. Or charge phase pass turn. And the occasional stratagem

I hated space marines and that's why I switched to Tau

It's just shoot and pass or charge and pass. Same old stratagems. Same old BS

[thin ibex]

yeah i like em better now because they're active rather than a shooting castle list

[empty siren]

Nothing wrong with Space Marines. I still loved my armies. I just hate the playstyle. I still won't go back to them. I think Tau is my jam

It has that like, lore coolness. That technology coolness. That cool coolness that just makes me so happy

[thin ibex]

tbf, space run teh entire spread of playstyles

spacem arines

but yeah tau are cool and i like em

[empty siren]

John Marine of Space

Marine Space John

[empty siren]

They are. I'm really into their army. I wish they had more models, but also strategizing on how to use that to my advantage is nice

Less model range, cool. So learning and memorizing rules is easier for me and the opponent. I don't need to flip between pages a million times, or wait to load wahapedia or new recruit or whatever I'm using that day. Games will go by quicker. Kauyon will happen sooner :)

[thin ibex]

kauyon is the classic, I've been a big fan of auxiliary cadre of late

[empty siren]

I'm not a biiiig fan of kroot. I'm sure they're fine but I just get too many Age Of Sigmar vibes, idk why. I think they're cool, but meh

Everytime I see them, I just get like, a morrow wind vibe too. Is this normal????

I just see them and think, it's like if AOS Sigmarified and spiked the hell out of the Morrowind Argonians

[thin ibex]

i like the theming of playing a combined arms army a lot

so having the vespid and the kroot as integral combo elements is neat to me

Also, rampagers are GNARLY

had a squad erase a terminator squad in one round, felt pretty good

str 6 2 damage fists with sus hits is potent

[empty siren]

I will be including vespids. Maybe kroot is a good idea too because of sticky objectives

[thin ibex]

generally a single squad of carnivores is good

[empty siren]

And past that, they're just like...scoring secondaries I suppose

[empty siren]

Am I the only one who sees it tho

Kroot are just Morrowind Argonians who've been sucked into AOS, rejected, and thrown into 40k

[sour sequoia]

I get it a little bit but idk I think tau auxiliaries are important for like bringing back the actual scifi to the setting

They also are frankly older than quite a bit of fantasy & all of AoS

[empty siren]

Oh the kroot karnivores are only 65pts

Not that bad

For a team of 10 too OOOOOH

Vespids are expensive kinda

Team of 10 is 130, base is 65 for 5

To be fair tho. They do be teleporting around

And I could use them to score some behind enemy lines kinda secondaries

[bold halo]

kroot are even older than morrowind lol

[empty siren]

I think I like shooty armies ngl

Even in AOS I'm running shooty army

Rats with gats and those hamster wheels of doom

Which is unfortunate for my friend who's doing gloom spite cavalry...which fly btw and you can always shoot flying enemies lmfao

[sour sequoia]

The spiders?

I don’t think any gitz cavalry actually flies, the spiders get to move as if they did and then keep hiding

[empty siren]

Squig hoppers

[empty siren]

Which is unfortunate for him because I be rolling up with skyre skaven with warpblasters

[sour sequoia]

Oh my god the squigs actually have fly coded in thats bizarre

[empty siren]

YUP

[runic swallow]

All squigs can fly now?

[empty siren]

So he's gonna get shot out of the sky

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-finn-poe-dameron-they-fly-now-fly-gif-25032438

If my homie isn't going first he's staring down the many barrels of my funny gun

Hit him with the 2d6+6 attacks

Blow up and die immediately afterwards just as the great rat intended

The plan for this army is to gamble. All the time

[floral herald]

Ok I think I figured out what's up with the Sanctifiers death cult assassin

And why it feels sorta weird

This feller

And it's that in person it's clearly sculpted as mostly bare skin

But they painted it all one color

Need to choose between the head above, the fullborg face, or the bishi face

[floral herald]

Ready to bring two missions to the galaxy

Peaceful alt

[pulsar cairn]

Cool looking

[pale narwhal]

Is that from the new killteam?

…I might have to get my hands on one for conversion bits

[floral herald]

yeah

[jaunty dawn]

Amazing

[west zealot]

Yeah, the custodes are real chill about working with the Sisters, and for all that Cain complains his little heart out any Jurgen is Stinky, he and the rest of his group work with Jurgen just fine

[west zealot]

They wimped out on nudist make assassin? For shame

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLXfhYxkiUE

[bold halo]

ooh that green is gorgeous

apparently I need to buy some makeup sponges, damn

[runic swallow]

They’re great for weathering too

And texture generally

A lot of makeup stuff has hobby uses tbh

[bold halo]

pulled the trigger, I can see them being very useful painting my avatar in particular

got some little eye makeup ones

and the bigger ones

blending transitions is something I've always struggled with so yeah, obviously, use the tool made to do that

[runic swallow]

Yep!

Sponges generally are nice to have, you might wanna pick up some less fancy, a tiny bit courser ones for weathering

[bold halo]

Eventually yeah, I lean toward cleaner styles for my Eldar but I have trench crusade gross weirdos on the way

[runic swallow]

I really got started as a Iron Warriors player, so my thought process on a lot of stuff is “Grungier. I said grungier!””

[uneven ember]

saw someone years ago who did some "dry Death Guard" with some of the best weathering I've ever seen
the minis looked like a tetanus risk

[runic swallow]

That sounds really cool

[rocky shale]

I use makeup sponges for fine stuff and packing foam for big stuff

[pastel rampart]

Packing foam is how I do my "flaming sword" stuff for chaos.

Just lay down yellow then sponging progressively more reddish oranges, finishing off with a dark red and a bit of black paint stippled along the edges with a brush. Very quick and looks good.

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-t7OPPAgTM

http://puu.sh/KrkpU/21ebb84c64.jpg

[junior robin]

oh hey I got that one...still got to assemble it

(dungeons and lasers xenodragon)

[pastel rampart]

I've been wanting to pick up one of their dragons.

[thin ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGr5ZBawDeU

[dense idol]

back from boarding actions

my necron tomb ship complement versus their t'au starfire cadre

[pulsar cairn]

Did u win?

[dense idol]

- necron warriors and scarabs versus breacher squad and cadre leader
- ten immortals and plasmancer versus fireknife and stealth crisis suits
- skorpekh lord and destroyers versus kroot carnivores
early game, the breacher squad absolutely decimates my warriors (breachers hit like a motherfucker, 20 attacks at 3+ to hit, 6 strength, and -1 ap), the stealth and fireknife crisis suits take big chunks out of my immortals, and the skorpekh destroyers sit on the objective in front of a door and prevent the kroot from entering
the skorpekh destroyers continue to sit on that objective and prevent the kroot from entering for the next four rounds
i'm in a bad enough state at the end of round 2 that i finally pop my once-per-game transdimensional reinforcements on my warriors and immortals; reasonable numbers of immortals return, and 1 warrior joins his two remaining comrades to die
it's around now that the fireknives are getting overconfident and push the offensive, at which point my skorpekh lord gets to charge in and annihilate them with supporting fire from my remaining immortals
this eliminates the lynchpin fireknives as actors in the course of the battle, and gives that skorpekh lord a free hand to go on a rampage
they charge the crisis suits who had been sitting on an objective and taking potshots since round one, but the scarabs charge them down and devour them alive first, rudely robbing the skopekh lord of his moment of glory
the immortals can now move up and start firing on the breacher squad, who have just eliminated the warriors and were going to move onto the objective before being interrupted
the skorpekh lord also comes up behind them and finished them off with massive overkill
at which point the only t'au units left on the map were the kroot carnivores, still desperately trying to break down the door being blocked by the destroyers
the vp score was about 80-15 at that point so we decided to call the match```

tl;dr yes

it was this map btw

vp given on end of command phase for 1 objective, 2 objectives, more objectives than opponent, both a objectives, both b objectives

looking at this map i just realised that we paired up the a and b objectives wrong but oh well

we're both new-ish players but i'm even more new than he is and our games do tend to end in curb-stomps like this

i think he just struggles to plan and execute the whole t'au gameplan

[pastel rampart]

https://goblinhobbies.com/collections/goblin-hobbies-stampin-starter-set

http://puu.sh/KrlN9/b749a40f0a.png

[uneven ember]

yooo and, indeed, whoa

[pastel rampart]

I hope they offer the plates individually soon.

[soft willow]

This answers my question of what they were doing for the color, and the answer is pretty much just, "we're using stamping polish"

I'd buy a plate bundle I think, but I already own a ton of stampers/polish.

[pastel rampart]

Oh it was pretty obvious this is repurposed nail plates and such, just with designs most wargamers would use.

[soft willow]

Oh yeah, I was just wondering if they were going to do something more "acryllic paint in a medium" or just straight up stamping lacquers.

And it seems like it's the latter.

[uneven ember]

seems like a pretty obvious next step, yeah

[soft willow]

The've marked them up fairly decently from what a nail plate/polish would cost you too.

[uneven ember]

yeah, made some claims about using an extra-pigmented sort of nail polish substitute, but I'm, ah
skeptical on that front

[pastel rampart]

I did look into custom nail plates when this was first announced and I don't think it's that far off price-wise.

[soft willow]

Their mega kit is 185 for what looks like 10 plates and 4 polishes, which is more like 120-140 depending on where you shop.

It's not unreasonable.

But it's also noticable.

[pastel rampart]

Yeah.

Granted if I could find a place that could do a custom plate for like $15-20 I'd design my own and go from there.

...granted I have an entire ziplock bag full of transfer sheets so I'm not hurting on that front.

[dense idol]

i do wonder how hard something like that would be to make with a resin printer

[soft willow]

I don't think a resin one would hold up to a lot of repeated use, and the layers might hold the paint unexpectedly?

That said anyone with a good laser cutter could make these if they can get blank plates.

[pastel rampart]

Yeah resin wouldn't work. Metal is really the only base material for it.

Holds up to repeat use, easy to clean.

[thin ibex]

In a testament to my glacial pace of painting. I finally have a squad that's done

[dense idol]

some kind of spray coating, maybe? idk

[rocky shale]

Gotta base those brave soldiers of the greater good

[thin ibex]

Yup! That's the next step

I varnish before basing right?

[dense sedge]

someone apparently got their hands on an unreleased drukhari model

dated as 2023 though

seems to be lady malys for drukhari, was found when they bought a bunch of unused sprues being sold as a job lot

[jaunty dawn]

Wild????

[sour sequoia]

I do bases then varnish but idk that it matters awfully

[rocky shale]

you dont have to

[pastel rampart]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Drukhari/comments/roy6o9/lady_aurelia_malys_archon_of_the_kabal_of_the/ Funny enough that's awfully close to someone's conversion.

[tardy vault]

First two totally completel units

[sour sequoia]

Oh hell yeah

That gold will contrast super good if you do it like… red wash/shade

[deft crest]

I feel pretty good bout this model even if i never return to it

Yeagirs have been really putting in work every game i play with them.

Its just hard to close out the last 2 rounds with the sniper since obscured makes him way weeker.

[rocky harness]

have a question. I decided to get back into the game after a few year break and am getting some

ossrich bone reapers ready, but I am having a very hard time finding what their current rules are. I have an older book, but it was made in 2019 so pretty sure it is outdated, and i keep seeing people mention the changes made in 4th to them, but where are the actual rules now? The GW website doesn't seem to list any, and my googling keeps sending me to summary of changes, but not the actual rules. Did they change how this works for AOS?

[brittle salmon]

Wahapedia is forever your friend here - https://wahapedia.ru/aos4/the-rules/quick-start-guide/

[floral herald]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-age-of-sigmar/

[brittle salmon]

The AoS downloads page will include the rules as well, fwiw, since they don't have a battletome yet

But Waha is a lot more accessible

[floral herald]

Yeah

[rocky harness]

ah, thank you!

[brittle salmon]

Np

[tardy vault]

Yeah GW shuffled around their site and broke all the old links to the dl page

[jaunty dawn]

Nice!!!

[pulsar cairn]

that looks so good

[quaint compass]

Hot hot hot hot hot

[thin ibex]

colors be poppin

almost has a cell shaded vibe

[past sphinx]

its very strange to be doing not grungy but it is a nice change

[empty siren]

HOLY MOLY

THAT'S SICK AS HELL

The paint is thinned TO PERFECTION. You must be Blessed by the Emperor :0

[empty siren]

That is perfect :0

[empty siren]

A fellow cutting pad painter 🤝

Y'all are so talented :0

I need to lock in if I wanna paint my Tau

[pastel rampart]

https://www.goonhammer.com/tariffs-and-you-the-gamer/ This feels more appropriate for the given material than over in technical, and probably handier to toss at someone asking questions on how this impacts wargaming.

[empty siren]

I was trying to find the words for my thoughts but it ended up too long. So on the topic of this, I wanna say

Buy 2nd hand if at all possible. Engage with and support your local game stores in other ways. Avoid supporting GW at all. Try to have fun. I know this hobby is getting more and more and more expensive, but you shouldn't give up and throw away your minis. Try to take a break if you're worried about how this will impact you. Don't go broke trying to cling onto the hobby. If you can't afford paints, share with each other. Group painting sessions are fun and engaging. Just try your best and have fun with what you have.

Best of luck and well wishes to my American and other hobbyists. God Emperor guide you. Glory to Chaos. Keep calm and waaagh on. And so on

[tired cairn]

Wait, why avoid supporting GW "at all"? (Like, I wouldn't buy from them directly because it is more expensive)

[empty siren]

I just wouldn't support a big company

Buy locally or from somewhere it'a slightly cheaper or you get benefits out of supporting

[tired cairn]

Oh, well that's pretty independent of the tariffs stuff

[empty siren]

Places that are smaller and have a loyalty program. Don't really get much out of buying from GW if you're trying to save money. You get outrageous growing prices on top of tariffs

Better to go places that have even a small discount and will support :)

It also gets you out into the community! That's a big thing I think right now. We need community with each other more than ever. So having that space y'all feel safe and connected is great

Support local or small businesses is essentially what I'm trynna say

[tardy vault]

yep!

It's a perfect surface tbh

Also, decided to start futzing with contouring on my next batch of snakes to make the tabards look better.

new v old comparison

[paper bluff]

I wonder if I could use a make-up sponge to get the lines on my custodes stuff...

[pastel rampart]

Which lines specifically?

[paper bluff]

The ones on the special dreads

[pulsar cairn]

i think Guilliman is one of my favorite characters

[empty siren]

Any Tau players

Thoughts on Broadside missile drones. Yay or nay?

I'm taking two seperate units of one. The broadsides are basically my backline anti tank

So I was thinking seeker missile and a weapon support system (to ensure I hit if the enemy is using stratagems)

[jaunty dawn]

Vs shield drones?

[empty siren]

I suppose shield drones. Thing is they're way in the backline and being supported by a pathfinder unit with anti deep strike within 12" character. So I'm not too concerned about them being shot at

The 30" missile drone just gives that extra firepower and anti elite in case I do get someone deepstriking

Maybe a marker drone tbh

They're in the back anyways. Might as well let them spot and give more shooty benefits

[pale narwhal]

Definitely missile drones imo

The damage is not insignificant and they always want to be spotted for when possible

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah

There are spotters and there are spottees and I personally dont think its worth planning for either to be performing the wrong role

Like if youre paying the points for a big shooty unit like broadsides you want to get the most shooty out of that investment you can

[pale narwhal]

There are edge cases like flamerscythes and missileknives where it’s not awful to have them spot (and in crisis teams more generally you bring 1x marker 2x shield 3x gun to avoid giving up extra bring it down points)

But yeah. Broadsides are expensive enough already, you want to maximise their effectiveness

[jaunty dawn]

Flamers make pretty good spotters even, arguably

[pale narwhal]

They do yeah

[jaunty dawn]

At least in terms of not caring about losing out on being spotted

[thin ibex]

Imo Yay, they're both 2 damage attacks, meaning they stand a chance of pinging just about anything

and yeah you're spotting for them rather than using them to spot

[unreal cosmos]

two blonde women

[past sphinx]

ur gonna tell me that there are TWO guys named "the fell handed" in the space wolves chapter at the same time

with the same hair

and a lighting claw

during the heresy

[jaunty dawn]

Im pretty sure bjorn is like

The successor

Or thats the implication

[past sphinx]

tis a silly game'

[jaunty dawn]

Apparently (its not made explicit) geigor fell-hand gives his name to a lightning claw, bjorn then uses that lightning claw

[pastel rampart]

I've been trying to locate a dread and it's been a bitch to find one that isn't either mangled to shit or cheaper than like, $40.

[past sphinx]

i admittedly shelled out WAY to much for these old boys but ive wanted some spacewolf dreads since i was a kid and now i had money

[jaunty dawn]

Moood

[pastel rampart]

I just want like, a basic-ass dread.

Might just throw some resin at my friend and have'em print one up at this point.

[sour sequoia]

fellas who understand 10th ed and GSC

lets say I wanted to pivot my budding tyranids collection into GSC (because it's just leviathan + one of each kind of Lictor and a box of genestealers), and a guy in town is selling the following.

What should I gun for first

[past sphinx]

my heart says rockgrinder

but hybrids or abberants are likely the righty choice

[thin ibex]

The atalan jackles are just cool models

[runic swallow]

Those are the bikers, right?

[thin ibex]

Yeah

[runic swallow]

Yeah those are very cool

[rocky shale]

he has 12 boxes of hybrids???

sheeeesh

[sour sequoia]

this man is uhh

somethin special

effectively landed gentry in bumfuck nowhere up here so he buys out boxes of everything and tends to sell at below MSRP to locals

[rocky shale]

I did just buy some guy's 2k points of agents on miniswap that he clearly impulse bought, assembled half of, then gave up on

Suspiciously wealthy nerds and people on military bases are the best sources for resold impulse buys ive found

Either way, I'd go peek at the GSC discord or subreddit to see what people are playing, though its not a big range

[runic swallow]

A strange kind of tabletop patronage I guess? Or does he just build up a large pile of shame and sell it off?

Either way, sounds like a kinda fascinating guy

[sour sequoia]

As far as I can tell, both??? His family is literally one of the oldest in the valley but he's also just like. An accountant who had waaaaaaayyyyy too much time in lockdown

[runic swallow]

Try to get him into a niche game and thus get the whole area into it via rock bottom prices

“Okay, we got Rich Guy into Dropfleet Commander, looks like the rest of us are pretty well set for opponents now”

Honestly if I was “I don’t know what to do with all this money” rich, I’d probably try to set up people with historical/niche games of my choice by going “psst, hey, wanna buy some 50-75% off rules and models?”

Thus setting up an audience to play the games I’m into

Like, presumably at least some people will try them and think they’re neat

[sour sequoia]

Oh we already did

Its a running joke

[runic swallow]

Did it work?

Honestly, “kinda odd tabletop patron” isn’t the worst kind of Tabletop Guy

[sour sequoia]

“Jacob started playing” is the clarion call for others that critical mass on a tabletop game has been achieved and they can get pickup games

Its hard to get people into stuff up here just because Montana means if its not at your closest LGS, even being at the next one over means 3hrs each way

[runic swallow]

Yeah, that’d do it

[sour sequoia]

Does mean people go hard for store tourneys and events, I actually woke up at like 3am a few weeks ago to slam the pedal and go to far end of the state for a store’s first tourney, then 5hrs back end of the day

[runic swallow]

I love that region, but it does have a real “oh, you need to get a sport coat? Ya gotta go the next town over (which is 3 hours away)”

[sour sequoia]

Very very connected scene, it impressed me

[runic swallow]

I respect your power

[sour sequoia]

Also our state’s GT this weekend has an open bar lmaooo

Thank you cowboy ass state

[runic swallow]

I’ve actually seen that at a few places

A lot of tabletop stores trying to get people to hang out longer/spend more money consider getting a license to sell alcohol

Man, I really wanna get back into tabletop gaming, but I’m not super into 40k as much (mostly due to basically needing to relearn it at this point I’ve been out so long) and also because the stuff I’m into trying out more isn’t popular at the store I’m near right now

[sour sequoia]

so hybrids (what blend of acolyte/neophyte?), aberrants, I have heard the ridgerunners are important, and the jackals are cool as fuck

[rocky shale]

At that discount just buy the whole range (only half joking)

[sour sequoia]

My moneys...

[rocky shale]

Definitely just check out the GSC reddit or discord to look at lists you might want to play

[thin ibex]

I'd also, as ever, advise favoring models you like over what's good

[sour sequoia]

Ridgerunners... 41st Millennium's Hilux with a rocket launcher

[runic swallow]

Tbh if the M2 Browning is still around, there are probably still some 80s-90s era Hilux design documents floating around

[mental birch]

Hmmmm

How many people can fit on the back?

Of a ridgerunner?

[deft crest]

Ay tau players I'm running some math with what models I have, Is 3 broadsides, 3 riptides, 3 fire squads with cadre leaders, 3 pathfinder teams, and a Stormsurge something? I could use Crisis suits but I don't quite get the new designations for the 3 different unit versions.

[jaunty dawn]

Physically or

Like the model

Or more reasonably

A guy on a base one guy barely fits. Guys like sitting down about 2 I think. Maybe 3 at a push

Idk i think just two or one + a gun

Then driver and cupola guy

[thin ibex]

It's playable, could even work, you'd be leaning hard on the broadsides to do work, 3 riptides is pretty solid general purpose but doesn't solve for heavies. Stormsurge doesn't super vibe with a lot of tau rules but is cool.

For the record on crisis
Fireknife: plasma/missiles, anti elite or general purpose
Starscythe: burst cannon/ flamer, anti infantry/horde
Sunforge: Fusion Blaster, anti armor and anti monster

Oversaturared with pathfinders I think, as far as the utility for spotting they offer

[deft crest]

It would only be 1 broadside for each broadside squad as well i should point out

[thin ibex]

Yeah that's fine, keeps them mobile

Your biggest concern, with what you got, is if you have enough anti armor. That and with little in the way of screening, aggressive melee play would be scary for you (but it's commonly a weakness for tau as is)

[deft crest]

I was planning on using the Railgun versions of the broadside, Is that not AArmor enough? Genuine question because i've only played khorne so far

[thin ibex]

It's good anti armor, think of it it like a single souped up lascannon though. 2 shots, big damage big strength. You have 3 of that. If your opponent is light on vehicles you'll be fine, but in most cases, 3 anti armor pieces doesn't quite cut it

Your stormsurge is a powerhouse though, if you can focus fire things with it

When I say it's not great with tau rules, I mean that it wants do split fire, but if you spot for it, it gets punished for split firing

[deft crest]

Ahhh

I see I see

Whats the typical drone loadout per unit

Like I can see Pulse Accel for Firesquad and Missle drones for Broadsides and riptides

[thin ibex]

So firewarriors only have the option of Guardian, gun, marker, and shield. Traditionally Guardian plus either gun or shield is the way to go

For the broadside going missiles is usually the way, but if you wanted, shield isn't terrible, but doesn't give more firepower. Riptide can only take missiles

For pathfinders, I like Recon or pulse accel plus shield

But if the enemy is gonna be big melee I do consider grav

[jaunty dawn]

Id always take recon probly

[storm schooner]

For most infantry a shield drone isnt that useful, at least in 10th. Because one extra wound on your sarg who's probably only going to be taking damage if he's your last member of the squad generally isnt as useful as just more guns
Or the versatility a markelight drone gives

two missile drones on Broadsides makes them really dangerous, especially towards lighter vehicles and monsters like enemy broadsides

[mental birch]

Physically

This is for necromunda

Necromunda as far as I can tell used ork rules

[thin ibex]

I find that an extra wound on a sarge can be the difference between an extra round of markerlighted spotting and not, which in my mind is more valuable than 2 twin linked shots at S5 bs5+

Not often, but often enough to be notable

[jaunty dawn]

Modern necromunda you can use ork rules or internal capacity rules

[mental birch]

I vant seem to find the internal capacity rules

[jaunty dawn]

But yeah physically its one guy and you have to extend it to make it particularly stable

(My dad has done it)

https://www.necroraw.ru/docs/trading-post/vehicle-upgrades#transport-cage

So transport cages are internal capacity and then transport beds are ork rules

[junior robin]

looks like Tau wont be the only ones using flying drones 🤔

necromunda or LoW?

[pastel rampart]

Primaris Lieutenant

[sour sequoia]

sonofabitch you beat me to it

[runic swallow]

Alien crossover, it’s a motion tracker /j

[thin ibex]

Primaris Auspex Lieutenant

[past sphinx]

hes got them tactical fingerless gloves

[past sphinx]

do you think that things like sternguard or tacticals will ever return? loyalist getting some "bin of toys" units again

[jaunty dawn]

Sternguard?

they did

[past sphinx]

eck, vanguard vets

[jaunty dawn]

Oh maybe

[floral herald]

Didn’t sternguard get a unit like 10 months ago?

[jaunty dawn]

Like jump vets could happen I think

[past sphinx]

yes with the based top loaded drum mag plasma combi gun

[floral herald]

It’s so awful I love it

[jaunty dawn]

Tacticals idk

I could see it happening as a nostalgia play

It would basically just be the Angels of Death kill team as a unit tbf

[tired cairn]

Tacticals would be in a weird spot with how Primaries marines are designed and how GW is currently doing wargear

[jaunty dawn]

So the concept kinda exists

[tired cairn]

Though a unit that could change wargear at start of battle would be cool and really get the concept across. Also doesn't work with how miniatures work for the game scale

[floral herald]

EC battleline are very tactical shaped so I think they could make a comeback

[tired cairn]

Oh. Do they have a bunch of different weapons?

[floral herald]

Sorta

The base unit is a sarge, 2 bolter bearers, a plasgunner and a melta gunner

Which is certainly mixed but also way more high octane than an old school tac squad

[tired cairn]

Though I guess the way 10th does this is to let you pick from a list of bonuses at the start of battle

[jaunty dawn]

I mean chaos marine squads are basically tacticals

[tired cairn]

Also true. I guess I'm being silly

[floral herald]

I worry the/a next legionaries box changes that but yeah

[tired cairn]

I think the existing Primaris part still makes it weird

[jaunty dawn]

I think its just space marines are like

Not meant to do that anymore

Or at least as of the primaris concept

[tired cairn]

Yeah

[jaunty dawn]

Which they wont necessarily actually stick to

[tired cairn]

though it's not like GW doesn't mind making a bajillion space marine units that are in similar spaces

[past sphinx]

take the intercessors and give them a single plasma gun

boom new unit

DOUBLE THE MARINE CORE CODEX

[jaunty dawn]

I mean making a bajillion space marines units is also the point of the primaris rework

[past sphinx]

WE MUST CONTINUE THE GREAT WORK PENNY

[tired cairn]

Yeah, but ostensibly they are specialized into different roles

[past sphinx]

if i cant kill small rodents with the weight of the marine dex i dont feel like im getting my dollars worth

[sour sequoia]

They did finally hit their breaking point on Stormcast??? So maybe in another 5 years we’ll have the great Marine Collapse

[tired cairn]

The datacards for the marines was so funny for your huge the stack was

[jaunty dawn]

I think stormcast like

Matured

[sour sequoia]

(The stormcast range is still literally quadruple everybody else)

[jaunty dawn]

Potentially

Idk

The whole thing is so weird haha

[tired cairn]

They've been slowly legends-ing units in 40k. I don't expect a big collapse

[floral herald]

I think some of that was because they kinda refactored stormcast designs a lot

[jaunty dawn]

Arguably what happened with like

[past sphinx]

did they just burn root and stem a bunch of stormcast units?

[sour sequoia]

Like half the range

[jaunty dawn]

The thunderstrike armageddon in 4e

[sour sequoia]

Largest range cull in GW history lmao

[tired cairn]

Yeah, but I agree with Cyan that a big part was settling on an aesthetic

[jaunty dawn]

Is what wouldve actually happened when ppl are like ‘they shouldve just one revamp all at once’

[sour sequoia]

I mean I’ll be real
I still can’t fuckin’ tell em apart

[jaunty dawn]

Stormcast or space marines

[sour sequoia]

I think they just realized like, “we literally have 6 different units of guy with shield + hammer”

Both!

[tired cairn]

Revamping space marines all at once would have been incredible, in multiple meanings of the word

[jaunty dawn]

It doesnt really matter you stick a mk7 head on a primaris and most ppl are like ‘omg firstborn are back?!’

[floral herald]

lol yeah

I like the weird armor blood claws get though

[empty siren]

Does Kauyon trapped objective work how I think it works?

[tired cairn]

You can definitely tell when they are side-by-side.

[jaunty dawn]

Like they’re actually really different but like. If you dont care people just dont notice

[empty siren]

It says until the end of battle that objective is trapped. But the effect says "until end of phase"

[tired cairn]

The heads stayed the same size right? Because primaris are a bit less of the heroic scale proportions?

[tired cairn]

What's the full wording?

[empty siren]

"Until end of battle" but then it says "until end of phase"

[jaunty dawn]

Strat lasts a phase, but it can only be used on objective marker per battle

[empty siren]

OOOOOH. I see

[jaunty dawn]

If you use it again, its the same marker

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah, and arms barely changed

[empty siren]

Okay so it's only one objective that can be marked, and if you want to do it again it's gotta be the marked objective, but you still have to spend the CP and use the stratagem to gain the +1 wound benefit?

My interpretation was that you mark an objective, then whenever you shoot a unit on that objective, for the rest of the battle gain +1 wound

Which sounds broken

So I wanted to check lol

Kauyon stratagems seem...fine?

Photon grenades is awesome. I love those. But the one that gives shooting within 9" +1 AP, is cool but idk. I don't want to be that close to someone as Tau, even if I am running Battlesuits. Sorry I'm yapping, y'all continue

[unreal cosmos]

As someone who spends time in a Heresy server it's fascinating how weird people can get about it. I know multiple folks who have repeatedly called MkX backpacks ugly and I can't for the life of me figure out what they mean.

[jaunty dawn]

I mean also with heresy it's like

now that we're getting redesigns (cause you have to even for the more subdued scale increase of heresy) people are getting upset about that too

which isn't like

[past sphinx]

the mkx is a solid backpack

the the knees!

[jaunty dawn]

it's not that I don't get where that comes from but like the idea there was ever a perfect solution is infuriating lol

[past sphinx]

i dont like the helmet and i can point to reasons for that but i dont know that it is about the knees

the new shorty bolters are fuckin mint tho

perfection

[jaunty dawn]

ye

the fun thing about bolt rifles too is like

they're really easy to convert into passable bolters

cause you just chop off the end at the seam and put the barrel back on

[tired cairn]

I do love the MK7 angry frown helmets

(I think the Primaries helmets are fine too, but not as funny)

[pastel rampart]

D:< is the ultimate in space marine helmet design.

[jaunty dawn]

they are the definitive space marine

[soft willow]

Beakies are a close second.

[pulsar cairn]

frown

i too like Beakies

i always say that chaos should have tons of beakies

[jaunty dawn]

they really should

[floral herald]

Emperor’s children stole the all

I do want a mutated toothy maw beakie chaos helmet though

[verbal tangle]

For those fans of the 40k TTRPGs in here, some fresh OC hot off the PDF presses;
https://konigstein.itch.io/temere-numeri

The latest update includes, among many other things, 47 new bolter ammo variants, which I'm proud to say is more bolter ammo variants than every other 40k RPG put out by FFG combined

[tired cairn]

Oh, is that why their possessed equivalents have coneheads? They tried to eat the helmets?

[sour sequoia]

“We all outta beakies”

[unreal cosmos]

Would you believe that there are Heresy beakie-haters

[sour sequoia]

Its warhammer its not warhammer if people don’t hate everything about it

[unreal cosmos]

Who think they're ugly and canon-breaking for half the legions

[jaunty dawn]

People fuckin hate mk6 in heresy its hilarious

I think its kinda mellowed out as the haters have like

Run out of energy

[paper bluff]

I like the mark 4 and the legion specific helms

[jaunty dawn]

Ye

[empty siren]

Ngl

Starscythes look like a good unit

+1 ap against nonvehicle and monster units. So basically anti infantry. You can equip each model with two flamers, one flamer and one burst cannon, or two burst cannons. And the stats aren't too bad either. I would personally take two burst cannons on each model for the 4 attacks 5 strength, which hits on 4s and can wound Terminators on 4s. 0 (or -1ap), 1 dmg.

They're perfect for an overwatch unit. Cause with an enforcer (or Coldstar), you can have a total of 10 flamers with -1ap. Experimental cadre also has a stratagem that allows you to reroll the roll that determs the # of attacks

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah really strong overwatch

[empty siren]

Im really liking Tau

The amount of firepower is insane

110pts for 6 burst cannons. 24 attacks total. I will likely be attacking an enforcer for an additional 4 burst cannons for a total of 40 attacks for the low low price of 190pts! This is just a for fun list I'm seeing what could be dumb and fun

Gun drones are there because moar firepower :)
(Keep in mind I'm running Kauyon, I will do my damn best to get sustained hits 2 to proc)

[unreal cosmos]

"why the fuck would gw use the most iconic 'old-school' space marine aesthetic and not the more prolific mark 2.5 deimos pattern armor like the black books said"

"they changed the lore to sell minis! different minis than the lore was invented to sell!"

[jaunty dawn]

Lolll exactlyy

And that lore was different from the previous lore etc

[unreal cosmos]

I think that a lot of Heresy players, on some level, think it actually IS a historical game

They think there's an objective record of the galactic civil war and that GW is getting it wrong

[jaunty dawn]

Same tendency where people think that heresy characterisations are like, the actual history irl too

Like thinking the wolf stuff in space wolves is new

[unreal cosmos]

"why the fuck does Batman throw dumbass batarangs instead of shuriken? And don't get me started on those ears, he looks like a furry"

[past sphinx]

"ugh blood angels doing more of the angel theme? when will we got more practical units like man with gun and man with sword"

[upper bluff]

don't even joke about that

they've lost their wings already what if GW is listening

[floral herald]

Renaming them the Blood Gunmen to avoid being too one note with the thematics

[upper bluff]

On the flipside of this some of the legions don't lean into their thematics enough'

Salamanders should have pet amphibians

not giant ones

[jaunty dawn]

why are ravenwing getting bikes smh

[empty siren]

I might run all burst cannon Coldstar + Starscythes

48 attacks total. Sustained hits 2 if guided or sustained hits 1 if not. On top of the +1 Ballistic Skill and ignore cover, and possibly lethal hits if guided by a unit with Through Unity, Devastation enhancement

Maybe 44 attacks because idk. Weapon systems to ignore any or all modifiers to my hit rolls because fuck you I am hitting on 3s and you'll like it

Not including any drone weapons btw :3

[past sphinx]

raven guard

though thats rather that they have basically never had models

[upper bluff]

Raven Guard are so funny to me

Like what if there was a tacticool space marine legion but they also all have emo haircuts

[uneven ember]

yeah it rules.
I feel like Corvus and Konrad need to be accusing each other of being fake poseurs more often as the gothest Primarchs

(he's such a basic mall goth he named himself 'Raven' twice)

[past sphinx]

two different kinds of goths

corvus is a solid midwestern mall goth

MCR and such

got a lot of plays out of Saint bernard

Konrard is a swedish black metal goth

[uneven ember]

exactly
Raven Raven vs Night Haunter

[runic swallow]

I will say, some of the more interesting parts of it do kinda come from it having been made by guys who were really into historical wargaming

And the whole faux-history part is neat

However I do obviously get what you’re saying

[past sphinx]

Heresy imo is best when painted as historical and played drunk

[past sphinx]

i am very pleasantly suprised by the seige of vraks novel

i was expecting very little out of it yet i feel it really captures all the things i enjoy about kreigers

i feel it doesnt quite give you the picture of the actual siege (a few maps would GREATLY aid things about a war that lasts 15 years) but it pulls no punches and i think does a great service of balancing kreigers as men made machines but also as individuals

the rout of the 158th its particularly well written i think.

[floral herald]

That's cool

[runic swallow]

Is this the Imperial Armor book or is there a new novel?

[floral herald]

There's a new novel

[runic swallow]

Ooh

[finite compass]

Do they actually go with the 158th breaking and being disbanded, or do they retcon it?

[past sphinx]

a blood thirster is summoned and they absolutely panic and rout straight up

[finite compass]

OOooh, different thing than I was thinking of

[past sphinx]

one of the best parts of the book with just how goddamn horrific demons are

they shoot their commisars to

[finite compass]

So they transplanted it to later in the siege then

And merged it with another incident from the IA books

[past sphinx]

yeah its after the wall falls

[finite compass]

Because the thing with the 158th originally was they got massacred by artillery and crossfire and shot their commissars before routing

And the regiment got disbanded

But then there was one in the later book where it specifically described a Krieg rout as like

"Yeah, they're die-hard and super indoctrinated, but these are still Daemons."

So it sort of looks like they combined the two

[runic swallow]

I like that middle ground

[past sphinx]

its probably the best depiction of kreigers ive read by far

particularly in how they interact with the nonkreig characters

if this book is the entry point for krieg fans from here out id be a very happy man

[runic swallow]

Dead Men Walking is pretty good to my mind, as they’re people, but in a super stunted and callous way

Also, they ||fuck up and make things worse by their command’s poor decisions||

[past sphinx]

minimizing spoilers but a lead character does get their nonkreig friend killed in an attack because he didnt want them to retire as it would be a dishonorable thing for a kreiger to live on beyond the theater of war

fucked up weird little guys

[runic swallow]

What’s the novel title?

[past sphinx]

Siege of vraks

[floral herald]

sorry but

[runic swallow]

Lmao

[floral herald]

I knew there was a new novel but I didn't know that was the name

[valid brook]

all-new Black Library novel “Siege of Vraks” and the upcoming sequel “Siege of Vraks Part 2”

[quaint compass]

With the conclusion of the Horus Heresy line of novels, Black Library has announced a new series of fourteen books set in the forty-first millennium, following one of the most grueling conflicts in the Imperium's history - "Siege of Vraks"

[mental birch]

Siege of what?

[jaunty dawn]

More dakka got emergency nerfed

[deft crest]

Oh?

Oh yup

Sustained hits 1
get stuck in lads 2 cp
Long Uncontroled Bursts is now only One unit to get the benefit

[jaunty dawn]

Sustained hits only in waagh too

They did get assault on everything though

[thin ibex]

That's a lot of stacked nerfs all at once

[brittle salmon]

All of them deserved

More Dakka picked up insane GT results with like, a 67% win rate

And that's before the nuances were really ironed out

[deft crest]

Checked my LGS chat. A good mix of "This was Heavy handed af" to "Maybe it was but damn they needed a hammer to the knees"

to "Worse than dreadmob"

[brittle salmon]

Better to pull the emergency stop and rebuff as they go than try and bandaid nerf it gradually, when it's this dominant

[thin ibex]

Was dreadmob ever broken?

[thin ibex]

True, they can slowly bring it back into line from the pit instead of from the pinnacle

[frail jacinth]

this image is insanely funny to me

need this as a datasheet

[west zealot]

@past sphinx have you read any of the Dark Coil novels? I've only read the genestealer cult one, but even how that touches on chaos is great and immensely spooky

[west zealot]

Oof, 67% win rate is crazy in a pro setting

Iirc, LoL tends to be having alarm bells the moment anything gets beyond 51% win rate. (Obvs league is far from perfect balance, I only really watch pro play, but I think they manage to balance that pretty well)

[past sphinx]

I keep telling people that the ammo serfs are why marines don't carry spare mags but they don't believe me!

[paper bluff]

Now that could be a custodes kill team unit

[sour sequoia]

We’ve got some crazy downplaying at my LGS but I did check some of the numbers and More Dakka is very easily the best detach they’ve printed this edition, comparing some of the other Top Performing Detachments and games played/elo played at on statcheck. Plague Legion & Ynnari are currently also Big Bads for balance but they’ve got 63% WR vs 67% and the player rep is miniscule comparatively

[deft crest]

Yeah

Pretty much a mirror of what the LGS chat said,
-# Aside from one person in favor of tariffs so thats one person to avoid at the store.

[sour sequoia]

Ynnari and Plague Legion out here with like 25 games apiece as actual codex drops vs Dakka showing up three weeks ago and getting 250 games of data

Damn that one’s just shit for brains all around then

[floral herald]

Chaos Cult is another weirdly good detachment with a low play rate

[past sphinx]

I play horde'ish csm and even i don't want to move 5+ huge blobs around

[tepid stratus]

Bridgehead players (including myself): "first time?"

And we weren't even as busted as dakka was

[sour sequoia]

Indexcrons
Hypercrypt
Shatterstar lmfaooo

[empty siren]

I might just have like two Starscythes running all burst cannons ngl😭

It's one of the more cheaper unit of Battlesuits that can be led by Coldstar or enforcers

Plus...I really like the idea of having 44 attacks with sustained hits 2 and lethal hits (if guided by a unit with Through Unity, Devastation) and ignore cover if they're being guided. Because that's hilarious

Ahhh...205pts (ignoring enhancements) to have a squad that will absolutely brutalize small infantry and elite units. So this is Tau huh? 😌

[jaunty dawn]

Good at taking out those big kroot blobs

Or big…ork blobs? Idk what blobs are scary rn

[sour sequoia]

Can it statcheck a warriors blob w/ Orikan?

[jaunty dawn]

But also tau are good at getting to the places so the big squads arent in the way in first place

[empty siren]

Burst cannons have str 5 and +1 ap against nonvehicle and nonmonster units

4 attacks, str 5, 0 (or 1ap), damage 1

[sour sequoia]

20W at t4, 4++

[empty siren]

I'm running Kauyon so with a stratagem I can get a +1 to wound if you're on an objective

Or, if guided by a stealthsuit, they can reroll hit rolls of 1 and wounds of 1

I say 44 attacks but you can get 48. But you want weapon systems to ignore any or all modifiers to hitrolls

Ignore cover if guided on top of the BS increase of +1 and you're hitting on 3s or 2s with your leader character. +1 to wound and you'll be wounding on 2s against T4 or on 3s against T5

[sour sequoia]

Good necron trick then, szeras is reducing AP by 1 but all the volume should help

[empty siren]

Rerolls of 1s on hit and wound if guided by stealthsuits and you're basically guaranteed to hit unless you roll 1s on the rerolls

[empty siren]

There is a +1 ap stratagem within 9" for Kauyon

The sustained hits 2 is crazy though. That's what I love most. Good luck making that many saves if even a quarter of 44 attacks are 6s

[sour sequoia]

Welcome to the big leagues shooting

Plasmancer Tesla Immortals in AD or Canoptek court is a drug

[thin ibex]

Surviving to round 3 with your big shooting platforms is your challenge with kauyon

Because we don't have big gun mounted tough guys at t12 or t11

That being said, sus hits 2 army wide is a great comeback tool too, to make what you have left that much scarier

Montka nets you assault and lethals up to round 3, good for leveraging your mobility for early map control

[empty siren]

We do have pathfinders but we hit on 5+ and only get one attack, 4+ if guided but you want you pathfinders to be guiding if at all possible

We also do have broadsides

And I plan to run minimum two units of one model broadsides in my backboard with pathfinders being lead by their character to deny deepstrikes and spot for both

But most of our units with str 10+ weapons are like, expensive

[empty siren]

I plan to keep my Battlesuits in deepstrike so I can drop in any open space in the enemy's backboard or to drop in the midboard and support what's left of my battleline

I don't want to overextend, so I'll prolly end up going for midboard at turn 2 rather than rushing it turn one. Using strike teams to suppress anyone pushing up and breachers to widdle down people on obj. I have kroot for sticky and vespids to score secondaries with

The threat of deepstriking in my Battlesuits also can keep my opponent from pushing up too fast

[thin ibex]

sound strategy, biggest concerns are high aggro, high threat units that can advance and charge and/or terrain that allows the enemy's specialists to approach from cover

or out of los

[rocky shale]

Good screening can really mess with overcommiting to deep strike

[empty siren]

Kauyon do have photon grenades stratagem

And a strat for embarking

[empty siren]

True. But I can always just do it closer to my side of the board. Downside is 18" range which isn't too bad but it is short

I can always choose to support my remaining infantry or go aggressive and drop in their backboard if at all possible

[rocky shale]

Yeah, though you can still get screened in the mid board so you have to deploy in the open or whatever

Tbh it depends a lot on the opponent

Some lists just effortlessly screen

[empty siren]

I play against Deathguard and vehicle heavy Imperial Guard, and one of my friends plans to build necrons

[thin ibex]

the other concern you will deal with is getting shot to bits by a superior shooting army

which is a real concern

[empty siren]

I need to be able to keep my distance against Deathguard. They are an army I don't want to be close to. I'm not sure about necrons. And guard...I might just end up being shot off the board😭

[thin ibex]

Tau's play, in my experience, has often been the "move fast to take points and take away your opponent's favorite toys"

[empty siren]

That's why I plan to use broadsides

The FNP 4+ makes it somewhat harder to deal damage

And the high str high damage weapons with long range will hopefully blast away any armoured support

[jaunty dawn]

that is only against mortal wounds btw, but its still good

[pale narwhal]

This is the way

We’ve got a chunk of movement shenanigans, and excel at focusing fire

[empty siren]

For the guard player, it's gonna be targetting the shit out of his Baneblade. My the Deathguard player, its gonna be his terminators

[thin ibex]

if your playing with standard terrain, also consider how you can play the LoS game with that baneblade

[empty siren]

The poxwalkers are annoying but that's why I'm bringing Starscythes

[thin ibex]

it has a billion guns and will just erase a lot of stuff

and standard terrain doesn't play super nice with superheavies

as far as good sight lines

[empty siren]

At this point for me, I'm just starting to build the army so it's a fuck around and find out lol

My friends lists are bound to change a little bit

[rocky shale]

The 4+++ is mainly good for the detachment where you can give them hazardous

[empty siren]

I mostly wanna focus on what makes me have the most fun. I don't necessarily care about winning but I also don't like getting stomped

[thin ibex]

its also decent against like opportunistic mortals like someone trying to tank shock your broadsides

[empty siren]

What makes me happy is shooting and killing things with one unit

[thin ibex]

yeah no you've got the right idea

youll get a better sense of how to play the way you want after a few games

[empty siren]

For sure

That's why I play TTS to test things

[thin ibex]

as a tau player i know mixed loadouts on any of the crisis teams is usually suboptimal but i do it anyway

because i think its neat

[empty siren]

And I loved my shooting phase. However I played against knights so I didn't do tooooo well

[thin ibex]

i run missile-sides from time to time for fun

and i like the riptide's heavy burstcannon more than i like the ion gun

[empty siren]

I made a missileside lol

I thought it'd be funny to run all missiles or all burst

And Im liking burst and regretting gluing (not magnetizing) my broadside😭😭😭

[thin ibex]

i regretted magnetizing my crisis suits

because i lost the baggy with all their guns in a move

[empty siren]

OH NO😭

[thin ibex]

so they're all punch crisis now

[empty siren]

I regret a lot of what I already built

[thin ibex]

no regrets

[empty siren]

Not much other than the broadside and the Coldstar

But I made the Coldstar all plasma and an Ion cannon😭😭😭

[sour sequoia]

I can answer for necrons, whats the list lookin like

[thin ibex]

im an enforcer lover, reducing AP by 1 is huge for general survivability

[sour sequoia]

Necrons are weird and almost all killy is concentrated on ctan, stuff with the Doomsday Cannons, Skorpekhs for melee

[empty siren]

Cause I planned to have it lead Fireknives. But I realized...wait patient hunter with a unit that cares about starting strength units isnt really good when I can choose the cheaper crisis suit that takes care of infantry and elite...aka 70% of peoples lists

[sour sequoia]

Silent King is the meaningful force multiplier

[thin ibex]

in casuals i think necrons are generally pretty shooty for the most part

and you can expect big warrior blobs

(big warrior blobs arent competetive, but in casuals, people want to bring blobs)

[empty siren]

If my friend makes an oops all ctan shard army I'm simply just gonna roll to see who goes first and if I don't go first I concede like it's a yugioh game

He's only thinking about necron but he showed interest in Tau a LIL bit

I would love a Tau Kauyon mirror match that'd be fucking hilarious

It's like that "standing there menacingly" scene from SpongeBob. Both of us scared of eachother until BR 3 and suddenly it's a fucking massacre

[thin ibex]

i had a blast with a kroot hunting pack mirror match

so many dead models

[empty siren]

That sounds so funny

[thin ibex]

whomever got to deploy their infiltrators and do their scout moves first has a massive advantage

[empty siren]

Idk what kroot do but it sounds like a funny army

Break is over I must bid thee farewell

For the Greater Good🫡

[thin ibex]

i think most casual necronners will either be going for undying blob lists or big melee

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah infiltrators have gotten to be such a big part of the game with like, alternating deployment and the cityfight maps

[thin ibex]

i won because i got to deploy my farstalkers first

and i got to screen out their scouts by using htem

so i got to surge up the board early and then live it up

[sour sequoia]

No. No you won’t. You’re gonna slaughter an oops all ctan shard army

Mantra. Repeat it for me now

You wanna know what fucking wrecks ctan

Dump All Your Fucking Chaff Into It

[thin ibex]

also they brought tanks, which were a waste against kroot hunting pack. Sure, a railgun will kill a rampager straight out, but i have 18 rampagers

[sour sequoia]

It is literally just volume

[thin ibex]

hit the ctan with your big sus hits stacked burst cannons

[sour sequoia]

Nightbringer obliterates everything important but cant clear a big guard squad in one turn so like. Just fucking drown it

Everything else is softer

Nightbringer begs you to please throw anything important at it, because it picks up and survives angron piece of cake, but it dies to mass chaff

[thin ibex]

i imagine most casual necron armies have a lot of chaff clear weaponry on account of guass weapons everywhere

incidentally

[sour sequoia]

Not really

Gauss stuff kinda bad it turns out

Teslas or anything labeled particle caster or enmitic [noun] obliterates infantry and 90% of gauss isn’t strong enough to punch up

[thin ibex]

Oh I know. I'm more thinking about people who play on vibes

[sour sequoia]

They’re iconic though thats for sure

[thin ibex]

Gauss has cool vibes, sounds cool in lore and even look good

Mechanically they're lackluster

But when people are doing like "my first army" or just hanging out/ playing with a "what I've got" list, I imagine gauss shows up a lot

Gauss*

I wanna try running emnetics sometime. I always feel strong pressure to use the heavy gun though

[sour sequoia]

Enmitics shred and frankly still shred lighter vehicles, great into elves

Your premier antitank stuff is really about DDAs and Void Dragon this point, I like enmitic Lokhust Heavies a lot more

[thin ibex]

As far as lilt vibes based, I also imagine a lot of casual tau players still run them as a shooting castle. Just a bad one now. But they probably work fine on non standard maps with lots of open space

[bright dove]

I can't imagine many shooty armies that don't like that.

[thin ibex]

yup, I just imagine most like pick up game/non standard maps have a lot more LoS than the standard/comp terrain layout

which skews things in favor of a shooting army

like i imagine anvil siege force detachment for SM is MUCH stronger outside of competetive

[tired cairn]

It also apparently really depends on where in the world your tournaments are

[pale narwhal]

UKTC and WTC are much less ideal for shooting armies than GW layouts

As an example

[tepid stratus]

My local league used wtc terrain. The top 3 where all melee armies

Blood Angels, world eaters and blood Angels again

Even I ran CSM in 4th place

Outside of one player that ran vanguard marines with pre nerf ventris no shooting army came top 8

[pale narwhal]

Yep

[brittle salmon]

Sounds like really bad sightlines

[tepid stratus]

Wtc sightlines are super awkward and almost always put you in charge range of things when trying to see to objectives

There's niche stuff that worked like the hypercrypt tesseract vault but for the most part outside of super tough shooting platforms or super mobile ones it's hard to succeed as a shooting list

[thin ibex]

I think "flavor" maps (and this is not at all backed up by data) tend to favor shooting lists by virtue of lots of unobstructed sight lines

[jaunty dawn]

Nah its pretty true

Even relatively populated setups are less dense than the official layouts too

[pulsar cairn]

Can imperium tech regrow limbs?

If so is it limited to like upper class or specific factions?

[paper bluff]

Why would you want to regrow a limb when you would have a cool bionic?

Also regrow? Unlikely. Biological replace that would replace? Yeah

[pulsar cairn]

i just thought maybe u would want a regular meaty arm for example instead of robotic

[floral herald]

They can but it’s not the norm

Probably cause all the tech is run by iron fetishists

[pulsar cairn]

Makes sense

[paper bluff]

That aside. Most likely. Anything the dark eldar have dark age humanity had also Iirc there's an imperial noble that has a deldar doctor basically tears him completely apart then rebuilds him healthy

[valid brook]

This is one of those things where the answer is liable to be “yeah probably somebody has that capability somewhere but the kind of people who would have access to it are more likely to get a compulsory donor arm from a commoner because of how the imperium is just Like That”

[pulsar cairn]

And the deldar just like works for this guy?

[paper bluff]

No. He goes to them

[pulsar cairn]

How does he get them to agree to that?

I feel like that could backfire quite horribly

[paper bluff]

But yes is exactly as painful and intrusive process

All involved benefit

Also you can make deals with the deldar you just have to make sure you pay them properly

[pulsar cairn]

I mean sounds worth it tho

I see

What kind of payment? Slaves? Resources? Both?

[paper bluff]

Slaves from his planet if I recall right

[pulsar cairn]

Bastard

I mean i kind of expected that, but hoooly those people went into a fate worse than death

[paper bluff]

The dark eldar are cowards to be fair. Give them what they want with barely any effort on their part and they are willing to hear you out

[pulsar cairn]

yeah they really are

[paper bluff]

Noble gets a perfectly healthy body (after being torn apart cell by cell and rebuilt and he is awake for all of it)

[pulsar cairn]

I hope he gets an ironic punishment

[paper bluff]

I believe an inquisitor found out. Only so long a planetary governor can live and be healthy and have healthy inheritors

[pulsar cairn]

true

[uneven ember]

and also hope that they never decide it would be funnier to not bring you back this time

[uneven ember]

but also
Eisenhorn does get a replacement hand after his got chopped off

so IoM technology can regrow and replace biological parts, at least among the "money is literally no object" classes

[past sphinx]

but why get an flesh arm when you can have a rocket launcher

[thin ibex]

There's no way to field the yncarne and the Avatar together right?

[floral herald]

Just cheat

But yes the Yncarne’s epic hero lockout makes it impossible

[pastel rampart]

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[quaint compass]

https://tenor.com/view/inspector-gadget-happy-karate-gif-8109713

[deft crest]

Dr.claw but he's an ork now

or tzneech deamon

[past sphinx]

It's perfect

[jaunty dawn]

Warcom kill team compound missions wheeeeen

[deft crest]

I wonder what that 3rd datacard set is

[jaunty dawn]

missions and stuff? or npo cards?

[floral herald]

I’m guessing it’s something NPO related

Idk what

[jaunty dawn]

its meant to come with a bunch of nid profiles right

[floral herald]

I think so - there’s a whole box of hormagaunts in there

[dense idol]

okay so i'm trying to put together a couple of boarding patrol lists

to get a broad spectrum of factions represented

and some of this is confusing me a little, which is probably expected given i have half a rulebook to work with

specifically this wargear option

is there any reason not to take the attack squig? it doesn't seem to have any point cost associated with it

and if that's the case, why is it optional at all?

[junior robin]

good question, thought first it was because they sold 2 different warbosses in metal with different weapon options but that was ages ago and there is one in plastic that does not comes with a big choppa...

[uneven ember]

I think the idea is that it's just allowing for whatever you do have to be legally fielded, even if it doesn't have the squig
which presumably you'd be required to model for WYSIWIG

but yeah "strictly better option with no point cost difference" has become a thing just to cut down on the granularity of army list options, I think

[floral herald]

To cover wysiwyg for people who put the model together with no squig

[uneven ember]

there's been a bit of a shift from when purity seals, terminator honours, and frag grenades were optional upgrades with a points cost
& I get the change even if I also get people who feel things have swung too far the other way

[thin ibex]

There's room for them to inch back a bit to more minute points upgrades, but as far as actual play go, I think it's been a big improvement in making the game more approachable.

I wouldn't hate if they rebounded a little back towards more minutia, but I'm not particularly unhappy with how it is either

[past sphinx]

forever breaking csm havocs and basically every sisters unit

[thin ibex]

does the avatar work well on any other detachment?

[jagged dawn]

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[pulsar cairn]

Are there mechanicum folks who are part of the inquisition?

[thin ibex]

almost guaranteed, but its more like they're on loan

[uneven ember]

ehhhhhh?
kinda, yeah, you can have mechanicum folks as Inquisitorial acolytes
so that probably counts as "part of the inquisition"

[thin ibex]

Mechanicum has its own sovereignty pretty much, and so its interactions with the inquisition are as peers

generally

[deft mason]

i mean, officially yes

[pulsar cairn]

Interesting

[thin ibex]

so acolytes might serve an inquisitor as part of the retinue but are also nominally a part of the priesthood of mars and does have SOME liberty's because of that. In practice of course, while serving the inquisitor they are part of the inquisition

[deft mason]

but inquisitors live and die by their connections. even if you can hypothetically say no, they will make your life hell until you say yes

thats what they did to recruit Zola and Morrow in Darktide, fucked with their lives until they had no choice but to say yes

[thin ibex]

yeah but most even inquisitors know better than to poke Mars any more than they actually need to

[pulsar cairn]

yeah sounds about right

[thin ibex]

It generally results in, on average, meaning that an inquisitor cant throw their weight around as much with the priests of mars, but they still CAN if they know the right people and can utilize the right obligations

[uneven ember]

which isn't to say that a given tech-priest is a peer to an Inquisitor
some random Engineseer is gonna have a hard time pulling off "you're not my real dad" to a genuine Inquisitor

[jaunty dawn]

The mechanicus also has its own inquisition

[thin ibex]

oh yeah definitely not, its more a distant "im not your average imperial citizen" energy, as well as a "I have some level of organizational backing that you care about" A lowly enginseer is usually there by some longstanding oath or obligation anywho

[jaunty dawn]

Equivalent

[thin ibex]

They don't generally get strongarmed by the inquisition into anything

[pulsar cairn]

They do?

[jaunty dawn]

Ye

[pulsar cairn]

What do they call it?

[jaunty dawn]

Trying to remember but

Something to do with dragons iirc

They were in the ffg games

[uneven ember]

yeah
most all the big Imperial groups are gonna have some techpriests attached to some capacity, since they need technology to work

[jaunty dawn]

There was a career path where you became like, their agent, and you could do cool stuff with the noosphere like become invisible to cameras

[uneven ember]

so, say, a given Imperial Navy vessel is gonna have some techpriests on board
which is distinct from the Mechanicus' own navy, which is a thing that they have

so are the Mechanicus on board the Imperial Navy vessels part of the Imperial Navy?
Kind of yes, functionally they basically are, but also they're part of this other organizational structure that kind of loans them out to the Navy
same thing with the dudes servicing Guard tanks and whatnot

[uneven ember]

Magos Juris?
something like that?

[pulsar cairn]

Thats cool

What's his name?

I know who he's supposed to be but what's his ork name?

[jaunty dawn]

Uh uhh

Krorktos

[pulsar cairn]

Perfect

[jaunty dawn]

Krate’Oz

[pulsar cairn]

The god of waaaagh

[finite compass]

Krump-oz

[ebon dirge]

40k haemonculus summed up in 1 short
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PBpyCdy4pMg

[empty siren]

25 bucks for TWO DRONES????

[upper bluff]

Dog I'm going to be real. If drones were a valid model that might've been a steal...

Can you imagine, 2 leaders for $25!?!?! But no 2 accessories

[jaunty dawn]

Gw still sells those? Wtf

[runic swallow]

Wait are drones not units anymore???

[storm schooner]

Drones are just bonuses units get

they don't even need to be modelled anymore, because the model doesnt do anything anymore

Gun drones don't even shoot themselves, they're treated as an extra weapon on a model

[jaunty dawn]

(Technically drone swarms are a legends unit still but yeah)

But also this blister is £12.75 here. If they sold it to 3rd party retailers it would be like £10.80

The price for gw outside the uk is so wild

[empty siren]

OH THATS NICE ACTUALLY

So I don't need to buy drones??

So long as I like, make it clear or whatever what each model is equipped with?

I'd like drones because I think they're cool but that's nice to know

Phew

I was gonna spend like 50+ on just drones

I could prolly use a small base with like a label on it to indicate what drone so it's easier for my opponent

(and me because I'll forget which model actually has what so I know what models are fine to kill off first when my unit starts dying off)

[tired cairn]

Are drones attached to a model or to a unit? Or does it depend on the unit?

[pastel rampart]

Honestly you could just put a bottle cap on a flight stand and it'd be just as useful as an actual drone model.

[storm schooner]

They're just wargear that pretty much every unit Sargent, Character or battlesuit get

[jaunty dawn]

Most of the drones you need just come with the models

But honestly like

Idk

I feel like its besides the point

Like saying one can just play their models without arms

Which is literally true in most tournaments probably

And thats fine if thats how you wanna play the game just personally im not like oh boy an excuse not to represent a significant part of how this army is meant to look haha

[soft willow]

Yeah I think the concern was more do I need to buy a bunch of these expensive extra drone models.

Which no, as mentioned you get a few on the other sprues so you should wind up okay on them.

[jaunty dawn]

I agree with that yeah for sure

My latter comments were more general in terms of the wider reaction tbc

[hard whale]

Yeah, if Something Witty is still here, go check what the sprues look like for the kit you're going to get next. The drone will probably be on there!

[empty siren]

They're wargear. There are tokens for them, but I don't believe that they're necessary?? So long as you make it clear to the opponent what each has. I plan to do that by adding like little markings to my Battlesuits and then using like a key of who gets what. It also entices me to create lore for each of my models because I need to start writing again

I asked if they're necessary because the commander kit only has one drone but can be equipped with up to two

[empty siren]

Like,
Crisis Suit Pilot X, (marked with some Tau symbol), has a shield drone and gun drone

It might be a bit complicated though to memorize what's what. But I like having lore for my models and army :)

[hard whale]

I stand corrected then, the commander sprue really does come with just one drone. Weird